On this episode of the Tucker Carlson Show, host Tucker Carlson sits down with author and former California Governor Pete Wilson to discuss his new book, California s Dark Side: The Dark Side of the American Dream . In this episode, Tucker and his guest discuss how California s one-party state became one of the most crime-ridden places in the country. They discuss the root of the problem, the root cause, and the political system that led to the current state of crime and mass incarceration in California. Tucker and Pete also discuss the role of mass incarceration and the impact it has had on the state s crime rate, and how it has contributed to the growing problem of poverty and homelessness. They also discuss how mass incarceration is a symptom of a larger problem, which is the lack of police officers in the streets. And, of course, there s a lot more to the story than that. The Tucker and Tucker Show is brought to you by Caff Monster, the podcast produced by Forward Together, a progressive advocacy group that fights for social justice and criminal justice reform. Caff's mission is simple: to stop mass incarceration, stop crime, stop poverty, and stop police brutality. Check out their website here. Click here to learn more about their work and support their efforts to fight for justice and human rights in the fight against mass incarceration. Caff is a great resource for anyone who needs a safe, secure, and fair and fair society. and justice for all of us. Thank you to Caff and Co. for making this podcast possible! and we hope you enjoy the journey with us on this episode. Thank you for listening and sharing it with your friends, your support is greatly appreciated! -Tucker and support us, your continued support is so appreciated. - Thank you so much, we'll keep on coming back, and we won't stop listening, stay safe, we won t stop listening and keep on listening, and keeping on coming, Thank you, and keep sharing it forward, and you'll keep coming back for more of this kind of stuff coming, more of that you know what you can do it, coming, and more of it, we know that you'll get it, thank you, more like that, we love you, we're not censored, we appreciate it, more and more, and so much more, more importantly, you'll know it, you're not missing it, it's more than that!
00:00:25.140I got to say, it is a little bit astounding to those of us from California to see a politician from that state run for president because in the back of your mind, you wonder, like, when's someone going to ask her about the state she's from, which is, like, the greatest disaster in the history of the United States, probably the greatest disaster since the fall of Rome, I would say.
00:00:48.460It went from the greatest place, I think it's fair to say, on planet Earth when I grew up in the 70s and 80s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, to a place that people are fleeing.
00:00:59.240And so without, you know, blaming Kamala Harris for all of it, it's not all her fault, but someone should have to answer for that.
00:01:56.620Well, you know, there's a lot of reasons as to how we ended up in a one-party state, how we ended up in a state of decrepitude, and frankly, with elements of criminality that are so depraved and savage and dark that they are really unseen outside of the worst conflict zones in the world.
00:02:22.900And that is characterized by, let's say, for instance, the rise of child soldiers.
00:02:30.240It's juveniles committing a lot of crime.
00:02:33.960In fact, maybe driving the crime surge in the state, and certainly in Los Angeles.
00:02:53.840So, there are a million authors of this tragedy, but if you were to point to two or three big facts, big changes, big trends that created the dystopia you're describing, what would they be?
00:03:08.520Well, so there's a legislative angle to this, and I think that's a really, really important part of the history and the pathway to destruction.
00:03:20.920And that started—well, that was influenced by a number of factors.
00:03:26.720Principally, there was an important Supreme Court case in 2011 called Brown v. Plata.
00:03:32.900And in this decision, which was a 5-4 split, Kennedy was the deciding factor on the liberal side and wrote the opinion, it was determined that the California state prison system was in violation of the Eighth Amendment, which is a cruel, unusual punishment.
00:03:51.180And this was owing to the fact that prisons were operating at 200% capacity at that time.
00:03:57.240And according to this ruling, California had to conform to a very arbitrary capacity ratio that was established by a federal bureaucracy of 137.5%.
00:04:13.740So if you were at 137.5%, you were no longer in violation of the Eighth Amendment.
00:04:20.360So as a result of this ruling, California did have to find ways to comply and took a number of steps to do so, a number of laws that I'll discuss.
00:04:32.980But coinciding with this ruling and going back further is the emergence of the criminal justice reform movement.
00:04:43.660Principally, it was principally coming out of places like Stanford Law School and some particular individuals like a gentleman named Mike Romano, who was able to influence the legislature and executive level officers in the state to embrace policies that were part of the criminal justice reform movement.
00:05:08.860So this meant that there was a force coming from the Supreme Court that was motivating this and also ideological activist elements that pushed for these same reforms at the same time.
00:05:31.000So as the formulation there, which I've never thought about until now, mass incarceration, which I don't think any normal person would be in favor of mass incarceration, but that's, you're only describing one side of the coin.
00:05:44.220The other way to describe it would be the, you know, the crime wave that we're living through that results, I mean, that results in people going to prison.
00:06:14.980And three strikes put a lot of bad people away for forever.
00:06:19.900Um, but it had problems too, to be, to be honest, like there were, there were problems and there were reforms applied to it, um, to reduce, you know, potential injustices.
00:06:31.800Um, and, and, and I, I support those, but nevertheless, three strikes and, um, and also the, uh, introduction of what are called enhancements.
00:06:44.100Uh, so special circumstance enhancements in which, let's say you use a gun in a crime, um, you use a gun that adds 10 years additionally to your conviction.
00:06:56.360If you use a gun and you shoot someone, that's 20 years.
00:07:01.000If you use a gun and kill someone, it's life.
00:07:05.660If you're a gang member and engage in, you know, whatever crime, um, gang enhancements would apply and those would add to the sentencing.
00:07:16.760These things were all eliminated and obliterated, um, in big parts by, uh, directives that came from the so-called Soros DAs, the progressive DAs in 2020.
00:07:30.320But the dismantling, you know, started really, um, following this Supreme Court case.
00:07:37.980So the first law that was, um, a big problem, uh, and put us on this path was called AB 109.
00:07:46.720It's called the Public Safety Realignment Act.
00:07:49.120And the idea was that to reduce the, the, the, the numbers of prisoners in the state system, you would transfer so-called nonviolent, non-sexual, low-risk offenders to county jails.
00:08:10.320And the problem and the, the sort of poison pill within it was the issue of what classified nonviolent, non-sexual, um, low-risk offenders.
00:08:21.340Because under AB 109, the only offense that would be considered was the last offense for which you were convicted.
00:08:31.760So in other words, uh, inmates with long and violent criminal histories who happened to be in jail and say prison because of a nonviolent offense were eligible for this system.
00:09:11.120And actually like Jerry Brown, to his credit, like did, did a lot and like earnestly to try and like, uh, straighten the, you know, the, the, right, the ship of California's, um, fiscal situation.
00:09:24.720But these kinds of policies specific to jailing, um, were totally ill-conceived.
00:09:33.860And, um, so with AB 109, all of these prisoners get, go into county jails, but the county jails don't have the resources to, to, to house them.
00:09:41.960They don't have the, the funds, um, to staff them.
00:09:45.920And, uh, so the outcome is that many are just released into the communities.
00:09:53.520Kamala Harris, um, is elected attorney general, uh, in 2010, narrowly beating, um, Dick, uh, Steve Cooley, uh, who is the, probably the last great district attorney of Los Angeles, a Republican.
00:10:08.240By the way, he's the only, he's the only Republican she's ever run against other than Trump.
00:10:15.180And she lost to him or he, he lost to her by just a few thousand votes, which I, and just, this is kind of an interesting coda is that there were also kind of odd circumstances around that election.
00:10:28.660Steve was ahead and then, you know, kind of in 2020 fashion, um, uh, there was a surge of her votes.
00:10:36.060But anyway, she's elected to California attorney general in 2010 and her first, um, big task is administering, uh, AB 109 because as the head of the California justice department, um, she really has, uh, the most, um, you know, um, highest level of presence in for sure understanding the budgetary constraints of the counties and the, and what everyone was warning her.
00:11:05.920Including the California district attorney's association, um, uh, police unions, this law was going to be a big problem and she supported it.
00:11:17.160She did nothing to try and like, uh, bring more resources to these county jails.
00:11:21.860And this is a theme actually we'll see over and over again in California where the state has, uh, some failure, some bureaucratic, um, uh, you know, uh, incompetency or shortfall in the budget or some issue.
00:11:37.280And the, and the, and the, and the, the, the, the, the strategy at Sacramento is to simply move that problem, shift it to localities, to counties, to manage, which are also struggling.
00:11:50.680So it's kind of robbing Peter to pay Paul and nothing changes.
00:11:55.540So after AB 109 went into effect, the next year property crimes went up 9%.
00:12:01.440Um, and, uh, moreover, uh, 61% of those offenders who were eligible for this program.
00:12:11.020And, uh, and by the way, it's retroactive, um, 61% are arrested within, um, a year and, uh, 41% are convicted again.
00:12:23.640So, um, clearly, um, the recidivism rate, uh, uh, created by this law was a major problem.
00:12:31.560Fast forward to 2014 and the worst of them all, um, comes out of strategy, uh, political strategy consultant firms in San Francisco, who, by the way, backed Kamala Harris and to great, great extent.
00:12:51.020So Prop 47 was marketed to Californians.
00:12:58.940And I should say for, you know, people don't understand California politics, we have this, um, you know, a system that allows for, you know, really important legislation to be put forward directly to the voters.
00:13:10.960Um, and, um, uh, that's how a lot of very, very big laws in California have like-
00:13:30.740It's called, it was called, uh, just, you know, euphemistically, the Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act.
00:13:40.020And the idea behind it was we would, again, address the mass incarceration problem, reduce, uh, the prison capacity by shifting, uh, again, nonviolent offenders, um, uh, you know, out of state prisons and treating, um, uh, thefts under $950 as misdemeanors.
00:14:05.880Prior to this law, prior to this law, thefts at $400 would, um, be felony grand larceny.
00:14:13.440And this law changed it such that it would have to be above $950 to become a felony.
00:14:19.560So, um, as, as a consequence of this, uh, oh, there was also, um, as a, as another, another factor of, uh, Prop 47 was that drug possession would, um, would not, would no longer be a, uh, a felony.
00:14:36.880It would be treated as a misdemeanor, um, and, uh, this has also exacerbated the drug and homeless problem.
00:14:44.340In fact, I think in the years after, right after Prop 47 went into effect, the number of, uh, ER overdose cases was up 25%.
00:14:54.480So this is the law that legalized stealing and drug use.
00:15:00.220And I think I remember Rob Reiner, who's an enemy of civilization, being one of the many celebrity backers of this, but it was quite popular.
00:15:10.040I mean, like a lot of famous people were behind this.
00:15:31.300And, uh, I will tell you, Steve Cooley calls it fraud by misrepresentation.
00:15:36.020And there is a poison pill within Prop 47 that is quite shocking.
00:15:40.840And she was actually called out for it by the Sacramento Bee.
00:15:43.900And that is that these reclassified offenders would no longer be subject to mandatory and standard DNA testing.
00:15:55.760As a result, DNA testing for across the state went from 15,000 a month to 5,000 a month.
00:16:04.480And DNA testing is super, super critical for the solving of cold case homicides, rapes, and other violent crimes that, you know, are typically associated with people with track records of crime.
00:16:21.300So these nonviolent, uh, you know, uh, larceny type offenders are, you know, are very likely, or, you know, or at least, you know, it should be investigated whether they have, um, some kind of connection to other crimes as we've seen, you know, everywhere.
00:16:40.120A small number of people commit the overwhelming majority of crime in every society.
00:16:44.360So Kamala Harris's, uh, description in the ballot, uh, for 47 basically obfuscated this issue of the DNA testing.
00:16:54.920And the Sacramento Bee called her out on it and said that this was effectively, uh, uh, a misrepresentation and a failure on her part to omit this information from the voters.
00:17:05.360So she's, or the authors of this are, like, taking the side of rapists over the population.
00:17:11.580Oh, yeah. And, and, well, I will tell you also, uh, she was not alone in writing this, the, the, the language.
00:17:19.920I mean, Kamala Harris doesn't do anything, right?
00:17:22.280She does, she, she's a facilitator, uh, and, and an opportunist and everything, every action really she has taken in California has been on the basis of what is good for Kamala Harris.
00:17:34.340But what I have heard from, from my sources, um, who, who are certainly would know with Prop 47, it was significantly influenced in terms of the language by, um, prominent figures from the, uh, criminal justice reform movement.
00:17:50.820Um, and even entities affiliated with, uh, George Soros, who's always been a, a funder of criminal justice reform.
00:17:58.760So they sold this as, like, good for the California budget, good for the safety of your neighborhood, sort of the opposite of the truth, well, literally the opposite of the truth.
00:18:20.940And we did so because our leaders manipulate language.
00:18:27.240Nonviolent offender, for instance, is not nonviolent offender.
00:18:32.160Um, in fact, in the next law that came about, that was, again, on our pathway to destruction, Prop 57, which passed in 2016.
00:18:41.080That law, again, which Kamala Harris, uh, wrote the language for, um, and which she was excoriated by, uh, other Democrats when she was running for, um, higher office, particularly Loretta Sanchez.
00:18:56.320Prop 57, uh, was, again, to address mass incarceration and would offer additional parole opportunities for offenders that were deemed to be, quote, nonviolent.
00:19:12.040But, uh, what is nonviolent under Prop 57?
00:19:15.740It is anything that is not one of 23 specific crimes that is in a obscure section of the penal code.
00:19:23.420So, nonviolent could be drug trafficking, human trafficking, rape by intoxication, some forms of assault, uh, financial crimes, serious financial crimes.
00:19:37.220Um, and basically, uh, these, these offenders under this provision would, uh, would have opportunities for parole and also parole, uh, administration would, was also passed down to the county levels.
00:19:53.420Who, again, didn't have the resources to handle this new, um, uh, burden.
00:20:07.440Passed, uh, again, I think by a pretty good margin.
00:20:11.340And not as, not as famous, uh, infamous as, as 47, but, you know, very destructive.
00:20:17.840There's a case of a, of a offender released under this, um, who went on to, uh, uh, kill, like, four or five people in a mass shooting gang-related, um, like, within two years of get, of release.
00:20:35.800Because, of course, when they would go into the parole system, um, uh, the parole system is, is completely incompetent at those, at the local levels.
00:20:45.680They, again, they do not have the resources, um, and there was a participation rate of offenders of 9% in rehabilitation programs.
00:20:54.580And the, and the cornerstone of 57 was, we are taking these, you know, people that, you know, they, they are nonviolent and they can be redeemed, right?
00:21:04.460But it's really just a gimmick, um, that is driven by, again, this, this, this mandate by the Supreme Court, but also by the influence of criminal justice reform advocates.
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00:34:06.880That's the sickest thing I've heard this year.
00:34:08.620Well, it's extremely evil, and it is demonstrably the case because these laws were so—they were so obviously negligent and reckless.
00:34:23.260Everyone knew, all the law enforcement agencies, all the district attorneys came out against these kinds of initiatives, saying that the result is going to be dangerous criminals on the street.
00:34:45.600You know, and again, Prop 47 is called the Safe Schools and Neighborhoods Act, right?
00:34:52.560So the idea is that the funding budget savings from moving—from not classifying these larcenies as felonies and thereby being misdemeanors, which are not ever, ever enforced or prosecuted, would save millions of dollars that would then be redirected to schools.
00:35:15.840Did the schools get great in California?
00:35:23.700Like, LA is as—LA is not quite as violent as it was during the 1990s, which was at the peak of the drug war between the Bloods and the Crips.
00:35:37.580However, we're getting there, and the difference between now and then is that back then, gangsters were killing each other.
00:35:46.880They were killing each other for, you know, who owned what street corner to sell drugs.
00:37:15.600So there's a semblance of autonomy, but there is still ultimately a power that is answered to.
00:37:23.980And the reason that the Mexican drug cartels, I think, qualify for that is because sometime around 2010, all this bad stuff happened in 2010.
00:37:34.580And if I may even say, like, you know, when we last spoke about the trans issue, that also really got into effect in 2010.
00:37:48.360So I think in retrospect, we can say that Obama was a destroyer, that the intent was to subvert and destroy the United States, and that some people called that early.
00:38:09.720But in any event, around 2010, there was a hostile takeover of the narcotics distribution market in California, which had been otherwise the domain of black gangs.
00:40:44.560And as it was told to me by this incredible L.A. County Sheriff sergeant who—and I'm not going to mention the names of any of my sources for their protection and safety.
00:40:59.080But this gentleman said to me that he was head of Major Crimes Bureau for the L.A. County Sheriff's and 25-year veteran of the force, now in private security.
00:41:12.280And he said to me that the prisons rule the street.
00:41:17.920So effectively, the criminal economy of California, which is in the tens of billions, maybe 100 billion, passes through California state prisons.
00:41:31.940So that is a prima facie indictment of the failure of our prisons because from prison, the Mexican Mafia is ordering hits, running drug trades, human trafficking, you name it.
00:41:48.980And they do so as proxies of the Mexican drug cartels.
00:41:59.900But this is exactly what destroyed El Salvador and has wrecked Mexico and Guatemala is drug gangs operating—their leaders operating from prison.
00:42:11.720So let's ask you just a side note because I can't resist.
00:42:13.600So in those—in Mexico, Guatemala, and Salvador, and probably other countries as well, the drug gangs are effectively religious organizations based on Satanism.
00:42:25.240Well, I will tell you that the law enforcement and prosecutors that I've talked to would say that the illegal alien gang element is characterized by extreme violence.
00:42:42.520Not just shooting people to death as the black gangs historically do.
00:42:45.280Well, look, there's a lot of reasons for that.
00:42:46.560I mean, I—in my—in my research, I couldn't help but sort of trace, like, the anthropological and historical basis for this extreme violence.
00:43:34.580But in Mexico and in Central America, what we see is what I call cultural atavism.
00:43:42.720And it's the notion that there are certain cultural traits and practices that survive the generations and are amalgamated into a new society.
00:43:55.040And Mexico is a very—I mean, it's a wonderful place in many, many ways.
00:44:39.440And not just the Aztecs, but the Maya and the Inca also, that it does, in the end, as much as you sort of hate the conquistadors because they were brutal and all that, you root for the conquistadors with everything you have.
00:44:50.820I will tell you, the Aztecs worshipped a lightning and rain god called Tlaloc.
00:44:57.500And when there were droughts, they would sacrifice their children, and they believed that the tears of their children, as they walked up the steps of the pyramid to have their hearts ripped out, would be taken by the gods and transformed, transmogrified into rain.
00:45:23.560You see this with some Native American cultures in North America as well, where it's not simply a matter of killing people, but of prolonging their suffering as an offering to the spirit world.
00:45:37.340So, the cartels emerge from this kind of amalgamation culture, and they have alters.
00:45:44.840They have alters with human skulls and other kind of icons that are indigenous to Mesoamerica.
00:45:52.580There's even a cartel icon, or idol, I should say, called Santa Muerte, which is, you know, you see on a lot of cartel tattoos and so forth.
00:46:05.160And, you know, MS-13 is even more demonic, although that was born in California, in Los Angeles, by the way.
00:46:13.420Like, it came from Los Angeles, San El Salvador, and destroyed El Salvador.
00:46:30.940And that's why I feel it's so critical to understand this dynamic.
00:46:34.720It's not just a historically interesting facet, but the fact is that we have brought in millions, 12 million migrants, many of them coming from this triangle, right, in Central America.
00:46:49.500And it's really important to understand who are these people, and especially, let's say, the 2 million gotaways, which is often cited as the pure criminal element amongst the migrant invasion.
00:47:09.400And because there was all migrants that are looking for economic benefits or whatever, they turned themselves into ICE.
00:47:21.860And under the Biden administration, ICE, as Homan put it, has been reduced to, instead of enforcement, changing diapers and making sandwiches.
00:47:31.720But for those 2 million that evade ICE, they are doing so that they are not put into the system, and they are pure gangsters.
00:47:41.660And they're coming from cultures that display heads on bridges and skin people alive and boil people in acid.
00:48:02.180We've traveled to an awful lot of countries on this show, to some free countries, the dwindling number, and a lot of not very free countries, places famous for government censorship.
00:48:12.800And wherever we go, we use a virtual private network, a VPN, and we use ExpressVPN.
00:48:19.500We do it to access the free and open internet.
00:48:23.280But the interesting thing is, when we come back here to the United States, we still use ExpressVPN.
00:53:38.400Yeah, eBay, it's, you know, like pawn shops, like, but I think primarily on the internet or to, you know, even perhaps other companies for, you know, it's go, it's a, it's a, it's, it passes through multiple layers, right?
00:53:54.940And, you know, so these fencing operations are extremely lucrative.
00:54:00.440So, so there's that angle to it, and it's resulted in the emergence of trends within these kinds of burglaries called flocking or jugging or knock-knock burglaries or follow-home burglaries.
00:54:18.800And basically, it's, you know, flocking is a term that refers to penetrating like a safe neighborhood, blending into that neighborhood, targeting a particular person that they've perhaps, through social media, identified as potentially wealthy.
00:54:43.020And then going on missions into these neighborhoods to, to rob them, tie them up, home invasions, whatever.
00:54:52.460But what's quite interesting is that there are some gangs that have become so good at it that they now actually act as consultants to other gangs to teach them how to flock.
00:55:04.780So what does that look like from the victim's perspective?
00:55:06.680Well, it could look like getting tied up.
00:55:09.320It could look like you, you're not home and everything's, you come home and everything's gone.
00:55:14.600A knock-knock burglary is just like what it sounds like.
00:55:20.220Criminals will, you know, knock-knock on a door if someone's home.
00:55:25.340Maybe they don't proceed with a crime, but sometimes they do.
00:55:28.720And I can tell you a story that I heard that really, truly shocked me.
00:55:34.800It took place also in Santa Monica, which is where I'm from, that there was a case of a single woman in her home.
00:55:45.820And these two guys, gangsters attempt to knock-knock on her and they breach the door and her dogs attack these guys so badly that they, the altercation moves into the street and they are wounded by the dogs.
00:56:07.460She calls the police, police show up and the gangsters claim that their dogs attacked them and the cops called animal control and she moved out to Texas after that.
00:56:26.820But it's also a kind of in miniature, the bigger problem, which is in California, the state is on the side of the criminal against the citizens.
00:56:37.380So if I, if I can turn it to like a personal anecdote, about a year ago, my home in Santa Monica, which it's an affluent neighborhood, but like my house is for sure the most dilapidated on, on the block it's been in my family, you know, through my great grandparents.
00:56:56.800Um, my brother and I, uh, live there and own it.
00:57:01.400And, um, in September of last year, we were subject to, um, two home invasion robberies in a row.
00:57:10.140Although I should say, technically, these are what's called a hot prowl burglary, which means that residents are in the, in the property when, uh, the burglary takes place, but don't necessarily confront the burglar.
00:57:23.780If it, if they confront them, it's like a home invasion.
00:57:29.180Wait, there was someone home when the.
00:57:30.580My brother and I were home asleep in the house when, when the burglar, uh, came in and, uh, through, uh, brazenly through an, uh, you know, and we were kind of naive because we thought California, Santa Monica is the greatest place in the world.
00:58:07.680And so we woke up the next day, um, and, uh, my brother was in the main house.
00:58:14.000We have a little casita, um, kind of converted garage where I happened to be, um, during when this took place and I came into the house and, uh, the door, back door was wide open.
00:58:24.660And, um, I went up to my room and my, my entire room was destroyed.
00:58:30.340Every, every, every valuable item I've ever had in my life was taken, heirlooms from my grandparents, uh, gifts from my parents for graduation.
00:58:39.440Um, um, really just like, really like token memories, you know?
00:58:46.560Um, and so it was pretty devastating and we called the police and my police, they showed up 12 hours later.
00:58:55.380Um, they said that when they finally came, that the delay was due to the fact that they're dealing with so many homeless overdoses.
00:59:04.220So, um, they dust for fingerprints and say, yeah, this is going to be, this is a serious crime and we will take it seriously.
00:59:33.020He can't, he, I mean, the guy would steal things like Easter eggs, like sunglasses, like a letter opener.
00:59:39.080Um, in addition to really valuable stuff.
00:59:43.740Um, and, uh, I believe he came back a third night, um, because, uh, I saw a car, um, lurking in the middle of the night outside of our house.
00:59:55.820Um, and I saw a figure in this vehicle that ultimately matched the description of, of the perpetrator who was caught, um, about a month, about a month later.
01:00:06.700And the story behind this is, is, I think, really quite interesting.
01:00:11.580And was the reason why I undertook the research that I've done because the guy who did this to us was an illegal alien, a dreamer, actually.
01:00:21.500An MS-13 gang member with a, uh, a convicted felon who had done seven years in prison, in California state prison for violent crimes.
01:00:32.180He was deported by Trump administration, Homeland Security immediately after, uh, after getting out of prison.
01:00:39.600In fact, he notes, uh, I've, I read the whole police report of this, um, in the course of like my trying to understand what took place.
01:00:47.380And, uh, it's, it's funny, he comments to the, to the cops during his interrogation that, uh, as soon as he was released from, uh, state prison, ICE immediately picked him up and deported him back to El Salvador.
01:01:48.320He, he does have a kid too at this time.
01:01:50.620So we now have a U.S. citizen, um, to deal with, uh, and, um, he, he robs a dozen houses in the same manor all over L.A. County, but also in Ventura County.
01:02:03.260He robs the home of a judge, a very, like, well-respected criminal judge who presided over the Michael Jackson death trial.
01:02:12.640Um, it's funny, the police report notes that he took the judge's small-wristed, uh, Seiko watch, um, and, like, just, like, the guy would took anything and everything.
01:02:26.700He took, you know, I saw the police reports and he was taking wedding rings.
01:02:33.380Like, there was nothing that was above limits.
01:02:38.520He, he, you know, uh, again, like, he stole memories from people and he did so callously and with impunity.
01:02:46.820And he was eventually, uh, arrested in, uh, Simi Valley, which is in Ventura County, which is tougher on crime overall than in L.A. County, but not by much.
01:03:00.600And when he was arrested, um, by, uh, a joint task force, um, in the middle of the day, he was in his vehicle with his wife and child in the back seat.
01:03:13.680Um, the police found on him a loaded, uh, stolen Kimber handgun with hollow point bullets.
01:03:21.160Uh, they found body armor, which, by the way, is a federal crime because he's a convicted felon.
01:03:27.300You cannot have body armor as convicted felons of federal crime.
01:03:31.540They, he found, they found strange things like a bachelor's degree diploma from Armenia, um, currency, foreign currency, um, uh, knives.
01:03:44.660Like, it went on and on and on and like, he was clearly, clearly a violent person.
01:03:49.500And when he was brought into interrogation, the officer, uh, assigned to him started by saying, thank you for not opening fire on us.
01:04:00.160And he said, don't thank me because I was planning on killing you and for sure, quote, going Eric's on you, whatever that means, and taking my last stand, had it not been for the fact that my wife and kids were in the car because he said, I'm never going back to jail.
01:04:16.760So, fast forward to his, uh, his arraignment, uh, in Ventura County, um, he's convicted on one count of one of these charges, maybe two counts.
01:04:27.520But in any event, he's sentenced to two years in jail and a $300 fine, and he'll probably serve less than that.
01:04:36.060Did you get any of your stolen goods back?
01:04:37.720No, no, no, the, the way I was notified was because he had my, uh, my driver's license and credit cards, um, and so, uh, as part of the investigation, they called all the other victims.
01:04:49.940They also relayed this information to Santa Monica police.
01:04:53.980Santa Monica police, despite the fact that they had a forensics team come in and swab and, you know, take this really seriously, like CSI style stuff.
01:05:04.240Um, the assigned detective on my case has still a year, more than a year later, not even called me or attempted to interview me.
01:06:02.460Like, and the cops really had no explanation for this.
01:06:06.960Um, I think that this guy thought we were an easy mark because it was, it's an old house.
01:06:12.560There's, there's still a handicapped parking sign in front of, uh, the house, you know, it's a, from my grandparents' time.
01:06:19.000So he probably presumed there were old people living in the house, you know, and predators go for the week.
01:06:25.860And, um, so, um, I, uh, in an attempt to try and like intellectualize and frame this experience, um, which still haunts us to this day.
01:06:39.960I mean, you never feel quite the same in the home, you know, and that's a terrible thing when like a home that's been in your family for almost like four generations is stained and violated.
01:06:52.740It's almost feels like an assault, like a sexual assault, even like it's, it's a very, very strange feeling.
01:06:59.220I mean, burglary's gut you and, um, and it's made all the worse by the fact that victims are re-victimized by the justice system in California.
01:07:13.880And so as I started to talk to, um, prosecutors and law enforcement agents, law enforcement officers about how this could have happened, what is going on in the state?
01:07:31.540I spoke to a, uh, very, very well-respected victims' rights advocate and veteran deputy district attorney for LA County, um, a liberal, by the way, named Kathleen Cady.
01:07:45.520And in the course of my interview and telling this story, she said, what's, what's so important about your story is that it's so relatable.
01:07:56.300And I said, relatable, like, how is this in any way relatable that an MS-13 gang member, convicted felon, dreamer, illegal alien could break into your house brazenly two nights in a row, probably armed, threatened to kill police officers, um, and get two years in prison.
01:08:23.120So if that is the case, then the system is fundamentally broken.
01:08:30.080And in fact, I would go so far as to say that the entire, look, civilization is based around the social contract.
01:08:37.360And the, the, the, the tenets of the social contract is that we set, we, we surrender certain freedoms to the government, to the state, which is supposed to have a monopoly on violence.
01:08:51.920And the state in turn provides protection to us from the anarchic state of nature, as Hobbes put it.
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02:22:02.320But so after the riots and there was a momentous push for, again, I call it crime equity legislation.
02:22:14.820And this took the form of two laws that have been absolutely devastating.
02:22:20.500And I think that they probably will ultimately get thrown out by the Supreme Court because they're so egregious.
02:22:26.360The first is called the Racial Justice Act of 2020.
02:22:29.860And the Racial Justice Act of 2020 allows defendants, and it's retroactive, to challenge their convictions based on the presence of bias or racial animus by, let's say, anyone involved in the trial or on the police side.
02:22:53.040Now, that doesn't have to have any bearing on whether or not the evidence supports their guilt at all.
02:23:04.180But if there was a white racist involved at any level...
02:23:07.040They can get their convictions thrown out under the Racial Justice Act or reduced significantly.
02:23:12.180And this happened in the city of Antioch.
02:23:14.840It's called the Antioch texting scandal.
02:23:17.540Four young black gang members were on trial for attempted murder and murder, and very clear that they did it.
02:23:27.040Gang enhancements were applied to them, which would mean that they were going to face a lot more jail time.
02:23:35.360But at the same time, it came out that the police officers in Antioch were texting racist, so-called racist messages to each other in private, not as part of the job, not relating to even their involvement in the case, but just about these defendants.
02:23:58.580And when this came out, the judge presiding over the case utilized the Racial Justice Act and threw out all the gang enhancements against these guys.
02:24:10.000So they had no longer killed anybody because the cops were mean?
02:24:13.080Let me tell you how much worse it gets.
02:24:15.040Defense attorneys can use statistical evidence, nebulous statistical evidence of racial disparity to support the case and satisfy their burden of proof.
02:24:44.420And under the Racial Justice Act, these statistical differences can be entered into consideration by the judge and whether or not to apply the RJA.
02:25:03.360That's just like the end of civilization.
02:25:06.700The same year they, the Sacramento passed AB 3070, AB 3070 took away the ability of prosecutors to apply peremptory challenges to prospective jurors on the basis of bias.
02:25:31.400So, for instance, up until AB 3070, you could, if a juror would say, you know, my son was, had been involved with, had been arrested or I have a negative opinion of police, so on and so forth.
02:25:49.760This would be a cause by which a prosecutor could use a peremptory challenge to remove the juror.
02:25:57.440Well, under AB 3070, if this juror is a member of a protected group, which, by the way, includes gender identity.
02:26:14.640They can no longer use peremptory challenges against them, even if they say, I hate cops because they're a protected group.
02:26:25.340So, the result of this is, as one of the top prosecutors in the entire state told me, is the proliferation of OJ juries.
02:26:35.340And the OJ jury, by the way, never got the credit.
02:26:40.360We never learned a single thing from that.
02:26:42.480We spent our entire lives hearing about all-white juries being bad, but here we had a jury that just let a guy get away with murdering two people because those people were a skin color that was fine for them to be murdered.
02:26:54.360Another gang prosecutor in Alameda County told me that jurors have come up to her and said to her face, I will not convict a black man.
02:27:49.240I think that there are some problems that become so embedded and given the multifaceted nature of this dysfunction and the complexity of the problems and the entrenched interest groups that do not have any incentive to modify a system that has enriched them, I don't know how, you will.
02:28:13.380So, I think maybe the lesson for me just as a listener to this incredible story that you've just told, the main lesson is that civilization is really fragile.
02:28:23.100You don't maintain it without continuous effort and vigilance.
02:28:28.060And you really have to be radical in preserving it.
02:29:21.680So why should George Gascon be able to, like, move to Tempe and just live out on retirement?
02:29:26.160I don't think he should be allowed to.
02:29:27.460Why should the politicians in Europe and in this country who facilitated the invasion of their countries and displacement and diffusion of their native indigenous populations as a form of, let's face it, a form of ethnic cleansing,
02:29:45.100why should those politicians who enacted those laws not be subject to the same kind of standard that was applied in the Nuremberg trials?
02:29:54.420Or how about as recently as the Yugoslav wars, the NATO's war in Yugoslavia?
02:29:59.580I think Slobodan Milosevic died in prison for ethnic cleansing.
02:30:05.620Look, the international laws related to these issues are not robust enough to address this modern form of demographic inversion, demographic engineering.
02:30:17.100But really, when I was thinking about this as a whole, is it really all that different from what the Chinese are doing in Xinjiang?
02:30:25.540Like, yes, we don't have re-education camps yet.
02:30:29.020Because we're not as straightforward as the Chinese.
02:30:30.680But the idea of bringing the Han Chinese into Xinjiang to effectively erase those people, is that really any different than what's happening when 7 million people have come across the U.S. southern border with impunity and are going to most likely probably become citizens unless Trump, God willing, wins and reverses that?
02:31:01.580And I don't know if there is a positive message to be made, except I pray that our leadership at least the federal level will right the ship.
02:31:13.940And perhaps California over time can come back to some semblance of what it once was.
02:31:20.260Because it is the defacement of a grand work of art.
02:31:24.780In Los Angeles and San Francisco, two of the prettiest cities, in fact, I would say the prettiest cities we have by far, both of them, and they're very different ways.
02:31:32.640But it is destroying art and irreplaceable art.
02:31:36.640And as a birthright Californian who's living in his great-grandparents' house, you're one of the few in L.A. who can say that.
02:32:13.020And I don't feel like it should be just surrendered because some assholes in San Francisco have decided to spread crime equity across the state, you know?