The Tucker Carlson Show - Congressman Ron Paul

00:00:00.000 it started to dawn on a lot of people even people who are not paying attention say six months ago

00:00:14.980 that the war in ukraine is a big deal it's not what they told us it was it's not good for ukraine

00:00:21.320 and the people who live in that sad country and it's not good for the united states or for that

00:00:25.840 matter for the west in fact it's likely to be in retrospect a turning point in the history of the

00:00:31.780 west and not for the better who could have seen this coming who could have known say 10 years ago

00:00:39.540 that actually u.s activity in ukraine was not an effort to bring freedom to the ukrainians but was

00:00:46.560 actually a massive intel operation designed to draw the united states into war with russia for

00:00:52.440 reasons that are even now not clear who could have seen that well actually one person did see that

00:00:58.140 10 years ago and that person was ron paul but don't take our word for it here he is in 2014

00:01:05.360 i speak uh more from the perspective of the united states taxpayers and it doesn't serve our interest

00:01:12.620 we've already spent five billion dollars over the last 10 years trying to pick and choose

00:01:16.580 the leadership of ukraine and then we participated in the overthrow of the yanukovych government and

00:01:24.380 this is when this recent stuff really stirred up but we've been involved too much and i take a

00:01:29.160 non-interventionist foreign policy position it's not our business it doesn't serve anybody's interest

00:01:34.160 it's part of the same thing that led us into the disaster in the middle east a lot of people die a lot

00:01:39.720 of money is spent and we're still suffering the consequences of the war in iraq and afghanistan

00:01:44.320 and there's the threat of the war in syria we don't need another threat the american taxpayers

00:01:49.340 don't want it and they our government thinks they can get away with well i know the people don't

00:01:54.260 want a war yet but we're going to play games and we're going to threaten russia and we're going to

00:01:58.000 put on sanctions and they fail to recognize that we have 500 billion dollars of investments in russia

00:02:03.840 russia has 450 billion dollars invested in the west and all we're doing is trying to stir up more

00:02:09.780 trouble makes no sense whatsoever so it makes a lot of sense for us to mind our own business and

00:02:15.740 let somebody over there solve their own problem be honest be honest were you paying close attention

00:02:23.260 to ukraine in 2014 we weren't most people weren't and as a result this country got dragged without even

00:02:30.680 knowing it into one of the pivotal conflicts in modern history to our grave disadvantage the question

00:02:38.060 is how did ron paul former congressman from texas how did he get that right how did he know that

00:02:44.800 why did he know to pay attention to ukraine and not just ukraine to monetary policy to the state of

00:02:51.040 our economy to the state of our country to the state of the west how did he know before the rest of us

00:02:56.640 knew maybe because his principles haven't changed in about 60 years so we thought it would be a good

00:03:03.360 idea to spend a little time with the man himself to allow him a victory lap a well-deserved

00:03:07.820 victory lap but also to probe a little bit on how did you see things that nobody else did so we are

00:03:12.800 honored truly to have former congressman ron paul in studio now dr paul thank you very much

00:03:18.060 great to be with you so i've spoken for you uh just a moment ago but let me just ask you directly

00:03:23.600 how did you how in 2014 did you see what so many others including me did not that this was a very big

00:03:30.080 deal what was happening in ukraine and that it might end very badly for us sometimes the people who

00:03:35.160 are running the operation and gives you an idea like like victoria nula yes jeffrey siatt you think

00:03:42.080 what are those people doing but they're they're such an example of bipartisanship yes they can work

00:03:49.040 with both of them and they're they're the worst kind of warmonger but all you have to do is you

00:03:55.020 don't have to know all the details i'm always i've tried to be very cautious you know especially in

00:03:59.980 economics well this this and this and next month there's going to be such and such happen in

00:04:05.600 austrian economics we're not we're taught that you don't know exactly when things are happening

00:04:09.600 but you can see things coming you know it's the same way you might be able to see our foreign

00:04:15.380 policy coming if you want to go back and observe what happened at the beginning of the last century

00:04:19.960 yes you know with the progressive movement so the hints are there i think it's uh i think what has

00:04:26.860 helped me over the years is um i'm curious most people are but a lot of people aren't that curious

00:04:34.920 yes i want to know why why it happened because still the question i happen you know like like uh

00:04:41.600 the reason things happen i said who's going to benefit who benefits from these bombs being dropped

00:04:46.900 who's who's who who benefits so i i'm very curious and then i don't uh try to know everything

00:04:55.640 because i think that uh timing and elements and all this but i'm always impressed that there are people

00:05:03.100 awakening they wake up and they say you know this whole thing about it audit the fed that came out

00:05:09.240 of a speech i gave the university of michigan and that was early in the in the presidential things

00:05:16.120 and it was the crowd those college kids and i worry because i'm going to a liberal cabinet i don't know

00:05:22.020 what they'll think of me and they started saying in the fed and they took out federal reserve notes

00:05:28.020 and they were buying a burning federal reserve note so i figured there's somebody's missing the boat

00:05:35.000 because these kids know a lot more than they're giving credit for i've changed my mind totally and

00:05:39.960 completely because there are a lot of bad examples in college there's a lot of junk going out there yes a lot

00:05:45.880 of bad professors did you know that i've heard that yes a lot of bad professors so i i i'm i'm very

00:05:54.000 impressed a young people uh have a more open mind and sometimes with a blanket accusation which i should

00:06:00.960 be cautious with i much rather talk to young people who are curious than the people who belong to the

00:06:07.620 chamber of commerce i i agree with the chamber of commerce people symbolizes the lobby of course

00:06:14.000 they do uh and and they have economic interests that prevent them from thinking yeah honestly i had

00:06:19.860 the i had that experience i was just saying off air at one of your speeches probably 20 years ago

00:06:23.860 i'd never seen you speak before and you went off about the federal reserve and i remember thinking

00:06:27.580 what a weird what an esoteric subject i knew nothing about it i thought only crazy people cared

00:06:32.400 but again i was completely ignorant about monetary policy at the time and i was shocked by how much

00:06:38.080 the crowd loved it they were completely tuned in they thought it was really important why would the

00:06:43.820 average person 20 years ago have a better sense of that than say me who was paid to follow the subject

00:06:50.800 but wasn't how did people know i got it from literature you could read about it we didn't have an

00:06:57.520 internet we didn't have the radio or tv giving us good information but it was out there for for one

00:07:04.360 group that helped me a whole lot was uh leonard reed the foundation for economic education yes i knew him

00:07:12.020 and he he was a true believer he was a dignified person and very likable and he talked about process

00:07:19.280 how you reach people and uh but he was he was very very libertarian his own way but he was he was sort

00:07:27.260 of a uh an intellectual and he influenced me a lot so i read everything he did and uh he uh he did a

00:07:35.580 lot of literature but the follow-up of that was of course the mises institute and yes and i was part of

00:07:41.440 that and uh and and i think see i i think they're important people i know people on tv are really

00:07:48.980 important oh so so important so important but there there are a lot of people that are important

00:07:57.220 i i think the ideas are the most important and uh they come and go and oh but the ideas make all the

00:08:04.460 difference in the world i mean i i look at the the need for the ideas on how our country came about

00:08:10.220 you know thomas jefferson and others that that knew exactly what they were talking about but we don't

00:08:16.800 have many thomas jeffersons around anymore so uh but but there's more people they're influenced there

00:08:24.440 but there are more but the underground you know the silent majority the uh remnant you know i believe

00:08:32.500 in the remnant both in a philosophic and a religious sense when things deteriorate there's always somebody

00:08:40.500 there that's going to gather together 10 12 15 200 or 500 they gather together and they talk about

00:08:48.940 the real things that are important and and the remnant uh i think is much bigger than anybody ever

00:08:55.300 realized and i think when i walked into those stadiums i don't know how many times i would say

00:08:59.740 where are these people come from i was i was totally amazed i thought the same thing because you know i

00:09:06.400 remember my goal was never to be in politics i i had no desire to be in politics but i wanted to

00:09:12.680 use politics to spread a message of personal liberty yes that that was that was my goal so that was the

00:09:20.420 uh that was the whole reason that i got involved and uh evidently there were other people looking for

00:09:27.020 the same thing and uh i i was impressed with how many people there were and uh i got to the point

00:09:34.660 where i thought young people basically were being uh ridiculed and made fan of and they still get it

00:09:42.440 and some of them deserve it but they're still young people are very good and intellectual and uh

00:09:50.360 and and they you know when i would even back it's been a while since i was a candidate when i would

00:09:57.700 mention the remnant they knew exactly what i was talking about people who gather together for ideological

00:10:03.420 reason and it's no uh you know it's nobody looking for uh you you know it to be a a good lobbyist and

00:10:13.320 all that kind of stuff right and and washington is so bad that uh somebody said what how did you ever

00:10:20.980 survive it i said well i said i just i just i said that i didn't i never became an optimist

00:10:28.480 i never said i'm going to cure the world i thought the ideas were important and that's what i wanted

00:10:34.780 to do because i was very selfish because i thought it was made me feel better talking about something i

00:10:40.660 believed in yes and then when i saw some kids at berkeley and other schools getting up and saying

00:10:46.920 and the fed and the fed well liberty is not dead at all i i think we're just it's it just gets

00:10:54.100 reignited and i think we're in the early phases of that but i also believe we have to go through

00:10:59.960 rough tumble times because the price always has to be paid if you the price in the sense how do you

00:11:06.260 liquidate the debt you know we can't walk away from that debt but how do we liquidate the debt

00:11:12.280 the market will liquidate it and the way the market liquidates it is uh what what what they'll demand

00:11:22.440 is like the person that wants a 50 dollar hourly wages yes you print money and every time you print

00:11:31.160 money the value of the dollar goes down so the value of the debt goes down you you just a theoretical

00:11:38.560 thing if you double the money supply and prices go up 50 it doesn't work that way but if you do that

00:11:45.120 the real debt uh is it goes down so it's a theft it's a tax it's evil so you inflate your way out

00:11:52.780 of it yeah and that's that's what will happen because what won't happen is the people are going

00:11:59.860 to get together and all of a sudden said ron you need to go back you know yeah sure no yeah we need to

00:12:05.900 go back and get more people you know do we do have some very good people in congress but they're

00:12:10.780 pretty lonely too they're very lonely but uh i think uh i i i tell people you're not going to get

00:12:19.460 12 24 or 100 new members of congress the system is so embedded with bankruptcy and corruption

00:12:28.360 that that's not going to work but i'm still an optimist because i think where it counts

00:12:33.960 where the people are studying and understanding and they were they were ahead of us i figure they

00:12:40.040 were ahead of me because they said you know you know uh uh and the fed that's fiat money and so

00:12:47.940 they're they're well along the way uh and it's more available now than ever before this information

00:12:54.020 yes so uh i always figure that uh if if somebody will listen i'll talk but yeah but i like i said

00:13:01.900 i in a way do this for sort of selfish reason because i want to do it i get some benefit you

00:13:08.520 know you know emotional and philosophic benefit by doing it but never as much as i expected i mean

00:13:14.740 i always got more than i ever expected because there's more people out there uh wanting to change

00:13:20.420 their mind i may get i mean i just i still get hundreds and hundreds of letters the neatest story i get

00:13:26.160 are young people writing to me that they've had uh they've started their own organization

00:13:31.260 and there's a you know a freedom organization and they're very creative and at the end of my speeches

00:13:37.820 i used to talk about if you if you're listening and you agree with this i think you have a higher

00:13:43.780 moral responsibility than somebody that just doesn't know what's going on right that you have

00:13:48.200 the responsibility to put it out there and uh that that i think is uh a lot of them took me at my word

00:13:56.480 and they have started their own organization uh you know and and i think i think you can't stop it

00:14:04.200 an idea whose time has come can't be stopped by armies and i i strongly believe that so ideas are

00:14:10.580 powerful and i uh i've i sort of uh you know you know i i i didn't ever want the political career

00:14:19.060 because the goal of it the thing of it is if you want to be chairman of the banking committee

00:14:23.800 you don't you don't bash the fed i've noticed so so then it's uh it but but i think every issue we

00:14:33.340 deal with you can look at it the same way whether it's personal liberty uh whether it's the foreign

00:14:38.400 foreign policy uh or or whatever or monetary policy so but they the foreign policy is is the big deal

00:14:46.400 you know well so i want to ask you well before i ask you about that i just want to follow up on one

00:14:50.900 thing you you said you said you speak to the remnant and no matter how bad things get there is always a

00:14:56.700 remnant of people who understand what's going on and who find each other which i love and i think it's

00:15:01.020 true but you said it's not just a political or practical consideration for you it's also a spiritual

00:15:05.120 principle for you what did you mean by i think i think my spiritual beliefs which i don't carry

00:15:10.200 on a sleeve i know but i know they're sincere uh i i think that uh that's the same principle

00:15:17.460 you know the non-aggression principle yeah i think more christians should know about non-aggression

00:15:22.900 i agree with that about a people in congress how about what what is personally annoying to me

00:15:29.560 are the ones who speak well are dedicated to the constitution and freedom and peace and they go on

00:15:37.160 and on and yes they're the biggest warmongers ever they've never voted a nickel against the military

00:15:42.720 and conflict but they still call themselves conservative constitutionalists well the left

00:15:47.980 does that all and christians they call themselves christians oh yeah they they just take that as

00:15:52.780 automatic too you know but uh yes they they would so you don't see cluster bombs as a christian principle

00:16:00.460 i see everything that leads up to even thinking about a cluster bomb as not christian

00:16:07.060 so uh no i nicely put i i don't manage the uh you know how would you handle uh ukraine right now

00:16:18.940 perfect answer you know well now we have world war three on a doorstep and we every day we try to

00:16:26.000 start another fight with russia and then we go on and on uh so it it's uh it it's it's not going to be

00:16:33.780 stopped that way i think it has to be stopped with by people changing their minds and i think the

00:16:40.240 founders are on the right track i see something encouraging right now about uh you know the sprouting

00:16:47.320 up of uh independent statehood you know the talk of going on their own and and the founders were

00:16:55.200 pretty good at devising this because for instance uh well you know we could still move from one state

00:17:03.140 to another yes somebody might even want to just leave that place out west and come to florida or

00:17:09.100 something like that and i i think there's a lot of opportunity more people are talking about that too

00:17:14.160 more people are willing to challenge all this and if you just get a person to show that uh you're on

00:17:21.740 the right track you know when i gave my longer speeches and i think you suffered through one or two

00:17:27.020 many so i i would do it and i would hit hard on a mess for them you guys are getting ripped off

00:17:34.840 and look at this it's all fake it's all lying and cheating and stealing and i go maybe average 45

00:17:42.740 minutes or so and then i say but it doesn't have to be that way and i give them my positive spiel it's

00:17:49.980 not complicated don't hurt people don't kill people don't steal from people and you'll go there's going

00:17:55.680 to be more peace and prosperity than ever so i would go to this with great deal of sincerity

00:18:00.840 and uh afterwards so often young people would come up to me and says you know ron what i really

00:18:08.400 like about you you're such an optimist yes and you know but i i couldn't quite figure that out

00:18:14.980 well 45 minutes was i was telling you the end of the world's coming theoretically you know so they say

00:18:22.080 yeah but uh but i i think what happens is they i think people are starved for the truth

00:18:29.340 i think uh you understand providing truth yes and you you they're starving for the truth

00:18:36.180 and then uh then they say uh when they get when they get this they uh know that uh that things can

00:18:46.500 get better that there is an answer there is positive so they the the the well there's a

00:18:52.520 benefit and i use the analogy sometime in medicine if you have a very very sick patient comes down with

00:18:58.560 a very very bad diagnosis you don't go in and say oh so so sorry you have this cancer two weeks ago yet

00:19:05.780 you don't do that you know yeah that would be insane of course what they do is they say they've

00:19:13.740 been struggling for a while and they don't have a diagnosis and they're terrified and somebody goes

00:19:18.960 in and said this is what you have and explain it to them and there are options and some of them are

00:19:26.600 you know give a give people hope yes and once once they got that they forgot about all the they didn't

00:19:34.480 want to hear about how you're how sick you are and how sick the economy is what they want to do is

00:19:40.340 hear the side we did we know that's bad you convinced us but what do you do about it and

00:19:45.620 that's where that's where it's real easy for me to talk about monetary policy don't be a counterfeiter

00:19:51.840 this is fraud the founders hated it it's illegal the constitution said only gold and silver can be

00:20:00.220 legal tender so and here guess what 1930 uh 34 when uh roosevelt made gold illegal yes i was told as i

00:20:11.360 was growing up in those years that there's only two places in the world you can't own gold united states

00:20:17.580 and and the soviet system so that that perked me up so uh why do they do those things and it isn't hard

00:20:26.980 for people to understand counterfeit and the other thing is it's not hard for people to understand

00:20:32.760 taxation it's a tax it's a vicious tax it's a tax on the poor and the middle class and it enhances war

00:20:40.280 it enhances all this welfareism you know they take money like this sometimes they give it away to

00:20:46.120 illegal immigrants you know anything they want to do they they use this money issue but if you can't

00:20:52.680 print the money it's all different in the world it's it's honesty and and the message the people

00:20:58.100 that i came across are very attracted to it i think they want the truth and uh i think you've already

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00:22:47.180 so what does the average person do if what you have predicted comes true and i think it likely will

00:22:57.460 that there's no way to get out of the debt no way to liquidate it except through inflation hyperinflation

00:23:02.420 how do you protect your family like what practical steps do you take you have that obligation and

00:23:10.460 everybody does it a different way anywhere by endorsing the second amendment or practicing the first

00:23:17.100 amendment i consider the first amendment key because if we can't talk and get our message out uh it's a

00:23:23.240 lost cause yes but the the question i think you're asking is yeah but this is a big deal you know what's

00:23:29.500 wall street going to do are they going to collapse well in theory they don't have to if we cut the

00:23:35.140 back of their spending and you know uh i cut uh and quit printing as much money you could improve it but

00:23:41.660 they're not going to do it no so they're going to continue to do it and uh i think people should know

00:23:47.780 about how how throughout history even currently we're in the middle of it you know the depreciation

00:23:54.440 of the money and what what people can do see that that they date that i list is the real eye opener

00:24:01.560 for me uh because i read about this stuff in the 60s and understood the significance of the monetary

00:24:08.060 policy but in night uh and then nixon was in and they talked about the austrian free market people were

00:24:15.860 predicting we'd have to go off the gold standard completely and totally we were already off half of

00:24:20.900 americans were a lot of uncle but we were honoring the dollar and that kept us uh it kept our uh dollar

00:24:28.700 as a reserve currency and people trust it everybody else was worse than we were yes so they would take

00:24:35.080 the dollar and uh and that that was a that was a a big deal but you can't do that forever i think

00:24:43.020 we're reaching this point where uh some sudden thing is going to happen i believe i believe in that

00:24:49.160 theory of the black swan yes it's going to pop up and uh it's it's not going to be controllable but

00:24:55.600 people you ask what can they do i think the most important thing is understand what's going on

00:25:01.000 is education that's why i happen to have a homeschooling program and i try to teach this stuff

00:25:08.480 early because you can't change it you can't go in and say okay you want fifty dollars an hour we can't

00:25:15.960 do that but we'll have a compromise with the other people we'll just give you thirty two dollars per

00:25:20.640 hour you know guarantee that kind of kind of nonsense you have to be able to you know uh tell

00:25:27.440 them what they have to do one is to protect the money one is to protect your wealth but uh when i go

00:25:33.760 through this when people really want to know some details when i get a little more in detail

00:25:37.880 i said but really really the most important thing you do is uh is is is study and understand what's

00:25:46.840 going on because if you come away from that and you're able to accumulate a lot and get by and you

00:25:53.140 have your guns and you have stored food and all that it's not it's not going to work uh you have to

00:25:59.520 understand what's happening you have to know it's coming it's very very dangerous and that's why i love

00:26:06.220 to see smaller units of government anything that hints that says they're springing up an idea in

00:26:12.960 our states to act like they ought to act yes and they're starting to you know they're starting to get

00:26:18.560 more independent and this whole thing i don't know why they don't jump on this is it should be easier to

00:26:25.680 sell why why don't why do they get away with uh the total destruction of the constitution that

00:26:33.540 everybody can legislate the courts legislate you know the uh the uh the executive executive branch

00:26:41.320 legislate and and they go on but the congress has the authority to cancel all that all that they can

00:26:48.320 if they write a regulation congress could cancel it i think they've done it once it's been around

00:26:52.900 for 20 years but but they they should just have a authority to do it because it's in the constitution

00:26:59.420 they shouldn't they should they don't have any authority to do that so they've lost all sense

00:27:04.720 of authority and responsibility yes and that means young people uh will give up on it and this is why

00:27:11.380 a lot of young people start acting like the government you know the government cheats and steals and

00:27:16.540 counterfeits why can't we that's why i love the story of bastia you know the bastia story is that uh

00:27:23.740 if if uh if you and i can't steal from our neighbor and we can't take their car and we can't hurt people

00:27:32.740 why is it that we let the government do it if you want to go to your neighbor and you say well you have

00:27:40.380 three cars and i don't have any i want one of your cars most people say well that's illegal you can't

00:27:46.620 just take someone's car but the government can the government's taking stuff from us all the time

00:27:51.740 and most of the taking is from the people who who uh work hard they're middle class and they're poor

00:27:59.460 and they uh and they suffer the consequence of inflation uh very wealthy people don't have to

00:28:06.920 worry about the cost of a loaf of bread believe me they but they they do have to they have to worry

00:28:13.820 about the big system because when the big system goes on there's not many people who are going to

00:28:18.060 escape it there will be some some of them might have to move a long way off or something but uh

00:28:23.660 no i i think it's giving people hope but they have to understand what's going on why we deserted the

00:28:29.860 con uh the uh constitution uh i believe i believe i talked a little bit in my little booklet about the

00:28:36.620 coup i think the government's been taken over and ira interesting enough when we talked a little bit

00:28:42.060 about kennedy i think uh the date i say it was concrete that there was a coup and we lost our

00:28:49.540 government was on november 22nd yes of assassination of kennedy and uh so i should just say you're talking

00:28:56.820 about the great surreptitious coup who stole western civilization yeah that you've written and i've read

00:29:02.260 a lot of it and you say two things that people may not know one you were in texas the day of the

00:29:08.900 assassination you were senior flight surgeon at an air force base i think in san antonio right

00:29:12.900 and you saw air force one fly over like hours before he was killed so that was amazing right

00:29:19.560 i i was uh being the chief uh uh flight officer didn't mean a whole lot oh well it sounds impressive

00:29:28.280 yeah it sounded like that but i didn't want to make it sound like i was in charge of kennedy's safety

00:29:33.400 years so anyway i was told uh just just be a long i'll alert to the fact that kennedy's gonna land

00:29:41.140 he does a little bit of business uh he went to the space center i think at brook air force base

00:29:46.380 and uh then then he uh then he took off and i think he was on his way to he would had a busy two days

00:29:53.160 and so he he takes off but uh i know how busy i was doing flight surgery work because when he took

00:30:00.920 off i was on the golf course they might say i was awl but there was nothing i could do so uh but i

00:30:09.180 remember it distinctly because uh i kept thinking well maybe i should be down on the flight line

00:30:14.840 you know this sort of thing but i was real close i was like a quarter mile away so i was there and i

00:30:20.820 saw air force one take off and i thought you know i stopped and looked and looked and i thought

00:30:26.940 i was so impressed and then what i write is it never did i think that within 24 hours this world

00:30:35.440 would change yes it was less than 24 hours by the time he was killed because i think he stopped

00:30:41.060 uh in san antonio then he came back to fort worth and then he ended up in dallas so you you say in this

00:30:49.320 and i don't think it's a controversial statement anymore but the cia of course was involved in his

00:30:54.120 murderer alan dulles the director who he'd fired a year before after bay of pigs um but you you

00:31:01.040 you make a point i've never heard before you said you believe that his fate was sealed on june 10th

00:31:07.520 1963 when he gave a commencement address at american university fairly famous speech which i plan to

00:31:13.300 watch tonight actually uh about peace tell us what you know it was a peace statement it was great

00:31:18.380 kennedy was controversial he wasn't always anti-war as he was leading up to his death yes so he had

00:31:26.160 he had some foreign policies that i wouldn't be endorsing but he was he was coming this way and that's when

00:31:33.800 uh he he um he said that uh you know he said flowering things about peace and uh it became known then

00:31:44.260 because he did speak out and i think it wasn't that many days you know before his assassination but

00:31:49.740 they were the establishment the fbi and the cia the planners really souped things up for for their

00:31:56.780 plans and uh he was uh uh uh you know killed uh by people that for a long time you know probably

00:32:07.060 several years i thought it was oswald you know you did yeah because well i wasn't i wasn't i didn't

00:32:15.920 i wasn't in a place i was about to challenge it i it didn't take long to start questioning this

00:32:21.080 the one thing that another personal thing that came out was you know uh after after 10 years

00:32:28.300 they had a group of the best uh pathologists in the country get together and one person in that group

00:32:36.300 was cyril weck and cyril weck was from the university of pittsburgh and i had heard lectures

00:32:42.500 from him because i was ob residence and as a pathologist he would give us lectures so i i i

00:32:49.380 sort of when you were in medical school yeah when i was doing my doing my residency but there were 12

00:32:55.800 of them 10 maybe but there was a group and they all and they had this going over you know the uh

00:33:04.340 assassination and all the experts were there and everybody says oswald did it even this and this

00:33:10.960 was like eight or 10 years later except uh uh except the zero whack zero except for whack he said

00:33:20.660 it can't be one shot and but he said that from the very beginning so he was he was finally allowed

00:33:29.500 to examine the paperwork uh of the autopsies he was the i think the only one and he went

00:33:37.820 and guess what he discovered no records existed can you believe yes i can believe it i can't believe

00:33:46.220 what's so you served in congress i think twice as i remember but for what for a while i i was drafted in

00:33:54.320 63 uh during the uh vietnam thing i didn't go to vietnam uh i was drafted then but then they

00:34:04.200 the government really messed up my schedule they took me out of the middle of the residency

00:34:08.500 and i had to go back and i had a break of six months so i was very pragmatic i said why don't you

00:34:14.740 just discharge me in six months so i stayed so i was there two years plus six months and then i then

00:34:20.900 i was in the uh national guard but but in all of your time in congress did you ever come across

00:34:28.540 other members of congress you served with who said wow you know the cia was involved in kennedy's

00:34:34.560 assassination was this widely known on capitol hill when you served there i never heard anybody say that

00:34:40.080 anybody well probably i heard my close friends

00:34:45.280 it's just funny that um again now i think people recognize that that's true

00:34:50.940 but that was 60 years ago and our lawmakers never talk about it but you mentioned to me earlier and

00:34:57.600 brought back in memory but do you know who they appointed to the commission alan dallas to him he was

00:35:03.700 on the war commission yeah so the guy who's responsible for the murder probably was the most

00:35:08.380 investigating the murder then that's a dawn on me the the uh the republic is gone

00:35:14.700 that's when i said the day it ended it was eruding from the beginning of the last century you know

00:35:20.700 yes with the philosophic changes but uh i think i think uh it's still what what about that uh former

00:35:29.240 fbi or cia agent said we we were taught to lie cheat and steal and then he giggled and the crowd clapped

00:35:38.100 and he was making fun of it so it does make you wonder if if you know people want to

00:35:44.640 be free jordan b peterson we who wrestle with god tour if you say the truth and nothing else

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00:36:17.200 now at livenation.com i'm sorry to jump around so much i'm not a linear thinker but um just back to

00:36:26.620 the economy really quickly you uh have always been a proponent of owning gold physical gold uh and you

00:36:32.520 said this for many many decades has that been a do you still believe that and has that been a good

00:36:38.800 strategy do you think over time yeah yeah but uh so i'm not like a gold bug that gold is right

00:36:46.060 sacred no gold can protect you from inflation it's been known for 6 000 years yes doing this so yes

00:36:53.240 that's uh i think that that is the case that you you can be uh protected but that what i would tell

00:36:59.800 the students that are looking for ways i said but you could do that you can have your gold you can have

00:37:05.360 food you can have your cabin and and guns and all this i said it won't matter if you don't have your

00:37:11.660 freedom yeah if you don't have your first amendment see i think the first amendment is so powerful

00:37:16.920 but uh if you don't have that what what could we do and go out and i said oh i i have i have gold

00:37:23.920 but you know talking about buying gold and preparing for gold uh i don't think i broke any laws on this

00:37:30.080 but i'll tell you anyway they um you know it was illegal to own gold yes and in the late fifth

00:37:36.880 uh late 60s uh people were buying gold shares gold stocks because their price would go up when gold

00:37:43.760 would go up because people were betting that 35 an ounce wouldn't last and then they were right

00:37:49.480 then nixon proved it in the last but people didn't have gold so he closed the he closed the gold window

00:37:56.420 but in that period of time i don't have the dates but before it was officially legalized

00:38:03.460 you were a lot of bad by numismatic coins if you were a coin saver yes a technical way you could get

00:38:11.080 around it so i remember my first gold coins i was buying not for numismatics reason but they they were

00:38:17.980 they're some of the neatest coins i got and the mexicans were way ahead of us they started

00:38:23.840 minting coins and put a back date on them you know so they they fulfilled the requirement of only old

00:38:30.840 coins that were numismatic so uh if you they you couldn't buy a coin that was uh if i bought them

00:38:38.320 in say 1969 i can't uh buy a coin that would be minted that year yes so mexico would date them back down

00:38:46.960 in the 1940s so that that made it illegal so those were my first coins do those turn out to be good

00:38:55.080 investments over time do you think do you think the dollars held up very well no i don't you know

00:39:01.940 just since the brenton woods broke down august 15th 1971 uh if you were if you were betting on a gold

00:39:10.280 coin or uh you know uh your dollar dollar lost 98 of its purchasing power and gold went from 35

00:39:20.840 dollars up and i was in you know it's front 2000 yeah that's a ways to go yet because the dollar

00:39:26.680 has a ways to go too yes yeah they can't they can't they can restore the dollar but but there has to be a

00:39:34.220 liquidation of debt and you only liquidate it twice uh an individual can work hard and save pay

00:39:41.340 and pay off the debt that's not going to happen for the government yeah but the liquidation will be

00:39:47.140 a lot more inflation and when i say inflation i'm not talking well there will be prices going up but

00:39:54.540 the inflation is the succumbing to anybody who needs money but the more the prices go up the more

00:40:01.540 everybody needs money rich and poor need more money yes and it's and that's why the insanity of

00:40:08.400 all this the most important price under those conditions is the interest rate that tells in a

00:40:14.780 free market that tells you what to do should you save you should spend should you invest and all this

00:40:19.560 thing so that that is uh that's that's that's something that people knew about but the interest rates

00:40:27.160 they took a they took them to minus they took them down to zero and then there was a inflation

00:40:32.840 discount so it was worth zero so that distorted so i see all the money is not out there yet and all

00:40:41.840 the dissemination of this malinvestment and all these decisions made on it was like building a city

00:40:48.640 with big buildings without a ruler yeah and it'll come down and we we did it we threw the ruler away

00:40:57.540 on purpose and uh said that uh you can't charge well the government want to give give you money have you

00:41:04.120 ever seen some ads recently all this opportunity especially after covid if you right here get here

00:41:10.000 you can get 1500 check immediately and then this last week they they're always inviting you to take

00:41:16.820 more money so it's it's it's insane uh and someday they're going to wake up and the market will wake up

00:41:23.820 and there'll be a rush a rush to try to protect themselves but like i say my investment is various

00:41:31.820 because i do believe in a little bit of all that whether it's gold coin or silver coins or a little bit

00:41:36.900 a little bit of stuff like that but uh my big investment is uh the pleasure i get out of

00:41:45.060 somebody calling me up and telling me well i heard you speak way back then and that's why i started my

00:41:50.680 organization and he had a fantastic organization so i get that on a routine basis i think that's the

00:41:56.740 greatest story told because nobody could tell that's part of the remnant nobody could tell whether

00:42:02.040 oh i converted one person oh great deal but he might have he might have a uh a newsletter has

00:42:09.260 500 people yes who each spreads the message around and i keep thinking how could that be well how did

00:42:16.200 the how did the pamphleteers do it during the revolution you know they wrote pamphlets and physically

00:42:22.860 had to pass them around yes and the greatest message of uh of liberty occurred you know in pamphleteering

00:42:30.380 did were you surprised by the reaction that your foreign policy views got i i i mean i watched this

00:42:37.680 i wrote a piece about you for the new republic when you ran for president and um it was a positive piece

00:42:45.400 and the magazine in the next issue wrote a piece about how you were a dangerous bigot

00:42:51.260 totally dishonest magazine and they did it because they hated your foreign policy views but instead of

00:42:56.320 explaining why they were bad they attacked you as a person morally that's when they've run out of

00:43:02.320 the argument so but what it didn't seem to have affected you at all you didn't seem to care

00:43:06.120 in a way i i i can't care because they they have the problem

00:43:11.760 i don't have the problem they do i can offer them but i don't believe see oh right you know we have

00:43:21.180 conservatives now we're going to change these laws all this crazy stuff they're teaching in schools

00:43:25.700 and we're going to say outlaw this and put this in all that i don't i don't believe in that that's a

00:43:31.020 use of force matter of fact i don't even believe the government should be in our schools yes it's

00:43:36.060 not authorizing the constitution and that's the source of all our problems and then the universities

00:43:41.220 are owned by the government you know all student loans and all and all the professors all they're

00:43:47.700 all tied into the government so why do you think um that over the last i don't know let's just start

00:43:55.580 with reagan so 44 years since reagan got elected um the core of the republican or conservative idea

00:44:01.840 has been smaller government and they've had power at various times and they've shared power for all of

00:44:07.620 that time and yet government is many times bigger than it was 44 years ago so how did what was that

00:44:14.320 do they not mean it is it impossible like what's the people in charge are the ones that do it there's

00:44:19.480 a lot of people who still uh don't want that but uh that's why whoever that deep state guy is

00:44:27.040 they they direct things pretty well the deep state who is the deep state by the way

00:44:32.100 well i don't have a list in front of them i have no idea well i i think it's people who have

00:44:41.020 tremendous power and uh they happen to hate liberty and they happen to be uh people that have endorsed

00:44:50.040 because of their wealth they've been able to get a lot of wealth and because of that they get they uh

00:44:55.500 they become nihilists they don't believe in truth truth is impossible to reach and there's a you

00:45:01.520 know a whole philosophy of nihilism that you can't believe in truth and so it's rejected

00:45:06.980 so but everybody wants something to believe in so they believe in themselves these people who

00:45:13.640 uh you know have a lot of influence whether they're the president of a university we just

00:45:18.720 like like uh not too long ago did we have a few professors show up on television that

00:45:24.320 just were terrible terrible and they were the ones in charge of our kids so no no do you think

00:45:31.140 there's a connection between great wealth you know being a billionaire and being a bad person

00:45:36.480 no uh matter of fact i'm a strong defender of people who earn their money honestly yes and uh

00:45:45.620 but why are our richest class of americans is the most nihilistic it does not all of them but as a

00:45:53.820 group they're not they're the most nihilistic it does seem that way oh i i think i look at statistics

00:46:00.080 they show that america is one of the most generous nations of course oh no but i mean it's the

00:46:05.020 billionaire classes oh the billionaire yes yeah because they're god they they've given up on god

00:46:10.980 they they've given up on a higher law yeah natural law natural law natural law can be known and it

00:46:17.800 you can't even depend on the founders to make sure that we all follow the natural law the natural law

00:46:23.260 is uh if you and i sat here and said well we are having our community uh what would we think is a

00:46:29.640 very natural thing that all people should follow uh we should steal from each other well i'm for that

00:46:35.240 you shouldn't kill each other we shouldn't do that and uh you could you should hurt people

00:46:40.760 even though on the most early all the way back to nebuchadnezzar and sumeria they had rules against

00:46:49.060 lying cheating and killing yes and uh it's phenomenal that it's there but uh the people

00:46:56.260 your question is why uh some of the rich people become bums yes why do some of the rich people

00:47:03.040 become bums nicely put i think it i i think it's because they they don't have a believe in a higher

00:47:10.000 spirit yeah uh and uh and but you know and like i've mentioned to you that i don't think my position

00:47:18.540 what i'm doing here in congress i'm there to say well i know if you'd go to this church and do all

00:47:24.120 not not that but spiritually everybody can have a spiritual life and i don't think the nihilists

00:47:30.900 can get rid of their spiritual life they have a substitute and they become the sort of the

00:47:35.720 substitute and they know what's best for everybody smart yeah so i i know you never talk about yourself

00:47:43.080 you you um you said you don't wear your religion on your sleeve i won't press you but i just have to

00:47:48.060 ask you one personal question because i think it's interesting so you married um your your wife

00:47:53.560 who you met in she was in eighth grade you've been married for over 60 years you've got 19

00:47:58.100 grandchildren great-grandchildren you have a successful marriage obviously how did you do that

00:48:03.460 i was thinking of something and i don't know whether it has any meaning it came naturally

00:48:12.900 yeah i always felt better when i'm doing what i discovered was the higher law yeah the natural law

00:48:21.920 that uh and then i say well i really do it for selfish reason because i feel better about it yes

00:48:27.380 and if if i go i think wow if i just robbed that bank one time and take that grant i can become very

00:48:34.620 wealthy uh then i that's beside it so i i think uh i i look at it and and all the other thing i advise

00:48:43.320 my audience is is that you really ought to have a lot of fun doing this and uh i i think i think

00:48:50.580 if there are some on tv that are maybe 60 right 40 wrong but they're so oh i don't know what the word

00:49:00.440 is boring and nasty i think i think you should be having a good time doing it and people people in

00:49:07.240 these you take homeschooling people you ever met people that's a homeschool yeah i mean they they get

00:49:12.760 together and they have fun you know they have they say oh no but they're social misfits but i'll tell

00:49:19.740 you what the homeschool people i run into are not social misfits that does it doesn't mean there's

00:49:25.720 always a shortcoming but no they uh they they hang together i think there's going to be a lot of that

00:49:32.440 uh coming i think it will continue to grow especially with the destruction of the school system yes you

00:49:38.520 know the uh the homeschooling numbers skyrocketed during the covet you know because they could send

00:49:44.720 their kids to school and uh i i think uh but they need encouragement uh even though see but the

00:49:53.140 majority vote 51 can do anything as once is the evil of of of democracy but you still need a prevailing

00:50:03.200 attitude about the people uh the general rules that you can't steal from people right you know you don't

00:50:09.860 have have to uh explain that but that's uh that's what makes it uh i i think it's so easy it to me the

00:50:20.180 wonderful part about it uh our our little program that we put out this little uh is uh you know

00:50:28.740 for it's institute for peace and prosperity who can turn that down but maybe maybe the prosperity

00:50:37.860 isn't coming fast enough but they have to measure their prosperity in different ways you know there's

00:50:43.180 different ways of measuring prosperity maybe all you want is five acres and a home or something yeah

00:50:49.480 so have you had fun looking back on your life have you had fun coming back looking back on your life

00:50:56.840 have you had fun that was always my goal it was no in a serious way though yes

00:51:03.600 uh uh uh no i i did i think the most there's bad times that comes when there's family problems or

00:51:11.660 somebody dies uh but uh i think it's um it's it's something that uh you uh you you accept and you have

00:51:23.800 you should have fun and uh people people think it's all dire and some people have a hard time

00:51:31.440 you know with life and paying their bills and all but it's the government's fault it's not your fault

00:51:38.020 and this can change they have to have hope yes and i think that's the most important thing and uh i

00:51:44.800 always felt good if somebody said yeah something sometimes the young people and even as they got

00:51:51.500 older would come up and said they would say things that almost they don't say that too loud they'll think

00:51:58.060 we're all crazy and they'll say you can't imagine how you've changed my life and i say i only wanted

00:52:04.660 to change your money no uh evidently the message i have didn't apply to monetary policy alone it applied

00:52:15.640 to everything and it was a way of life and that is non-aggression don't use force don't use violence

00:52:21.960 and the guides are you know uh most people's religions there's not many religions said well

00:52:29.660 you should go out today and murder as many people as you can so i i think uh uh i i remain optimistic

00:52:37.600 except there are days when i think is it time to change no but the reward comes from uh people who

00:52:47.180 who say that uh it's been very beneficial some of them you know will just let me at campuses and

00:52:53.700 they were floating they weren't studying hard or anything else and uh they'll come back and say

00:52:58.680 you know after i heard you speak he says i i buckled down i applied to medical school and now i'm a doctor

00:53:05.540 and and they want to give me credit for that i didn't do it maybe i helped you a little

00:53:11.500 dr ron paul thank you thank you a lot of praise for being right right then as now

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The Tucker Carlson Show - March 19, 2024

Congressman Ron Paul

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