Dana White： Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
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Former Vice President Joe Biden joins Jemele to discuss the recent assassination attempt on Donald Trump and the impact it has had on his life, and how he s changed since being shot in the head in July. He also talks about his relationship with Trump and what it s like to be a member of his inner circle.
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No, I'm not shocked because I have this sort of gut thing I have.
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And when I first started watching it, what's crazy is two nights ago, we did the event here.
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And the guy who won the world title was the guy that got me into it.
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When I started watching this stuff a few years ago, this guy named Dumpling out of Siberia, Russia.
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When we first paid him, I think he wanted $25,003 goats.
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I don't know the answer to that question, but he got $25,003 goats.
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That was the first, yeah, Dumpling from Siberia.
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The guy who got me into this became the world champion here in Saudi Arabia.
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I think it seems more painful than getting punched.
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What you're going to watch tonight, listen, you take a minimum of three slaps and slap, you're going to see shins to the face, elbows, kicks, slams.
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I saw you two weeks ago on stage at the inauguration.
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Obviously, like me, you have a great relationship with this guy, and to see him to be this far away when he was taking his oath, how cool was that?
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I think you've known him better than almost anyone around him for longer.
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And that became pretty obvious late in the campaign when, even though you're not political, you wound up kind of associated with Trump just because you know him so well.
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Do you think he's changed since July when he got shot?
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I think that, listen, at the end of the day, as resilient and as tough as this guy is, you know, when you almost get assassinated the way that he was, I think it messes with you a little bit.
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I was flying to Italy when he was shot at, and I called him as soon as I landed, and he had just got home from the hospital, and he seemed unfazed.
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Which is, it's just not even, it's not humanly possible, but he did.
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But then after that, he flew the next day to the RNC in Milwaukee and literally never rested, never took a break, never stayed out of the limelight after almost getting shot.
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And I don't know, I just felt like it, for him, it affected him, but he made a complete recovery from that thing.
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I talked to him also that night, and he seemed totally unaffected, but how could you be totally unaffected?
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Do you think there were long-term consequences, good consequences?
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I mean, he went on to be more successful than he's ever been, right?
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It's just a testament to his toughness, his resilience, his grittiness, and I think this is what I truly believe.
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I think that to his core, he believes that God spared him to run this country for the next four years.
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And I think that had a lot to do with his mentality coming out of that, you know, assassination attempt.
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Because he does seem calmer, he certainly seems more decisive and in command.
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Tucker, I went to Mar-a-Lago to be with him election night.
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I flew to Las Vegas and picked up my wife, and then I flew to Hawaii.
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And the guy's calling me the next, I mean, the guy doesn't sleep.
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And you know, the rallies that he was doing leading up to the election night.
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And I left election night, I jumped on the plane at four in the morning.
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He was still up when I left at four in the morning.
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And I literally, I don't know if the guy slept since then.
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All of that is totally real, and on a diet that you would not recommend to any person.
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And you know, I've been with him a lot since the election.
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What do you think that, do you have any guesses?
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I mean, you're in the business of like getting maximum performance out of body and mind and spirit.
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And he's doing the opposite of everything you'd recommend, but, you know, running the world.
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Do you have any guesses as to how that happens?
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I just, you're unlike any human that I've ever met, you know?
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I've never seen anybody that operates the way that this man does.
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The press conference that he had the other day, right?
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When have you seen that kind of energy in the White House?
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Especially, you know, within the last however many years.
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You know, you had a guy who couldn't talk publicly.
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You had a vice president who couldn't speak publicly.
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You know, I know the girl who was the, in the last administration that, you know, the secretary of, you know, whatever the hell she was, that goes out and does the press conferences.
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But could you imagine having that job during the Biden administration?
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The girl's got to go out and lie pretty much every day.
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And any type of question that made sense, she would just shut it down and walk out and leave.
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I mean, that had to be the worst job in America.
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With what she had to work with, I actually feel bad for that woman.
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That you have to go out during that administration and face the media every day.
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The last press conference when he was out there, it was like people were climbing over each other.
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And he gets right in there, fires away, and answers questions.
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In the short amount of time that he's been there.
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It seems like all of a sudden, you know, we spent eight years hearing that, you know, he's this evil tyrant who's going to suspend the Constitution and enslave the nation.
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And then he wins and you don't—there's like kind of no opposition.
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You know, I'm one of these guys, and you and I have had this conversation before.
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And I follow like CNN and MSNBC and all these other—because I like to hear everybody—MSNBC.
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I don't even know how they're still on the air.
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For me to do that, it's like I love hearing everybody's opinion.
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And it's the whole—if Trump says it's blue, they say it's black.
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There's not one person that I know that is a hardcore liberal and they're out there arguing about anything anymore.
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The people that I know that were very liberal, they're not very right, but they're definitely not very left.
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And everyone seems to have accepted free speech as the status quo now.
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You've been sticking with that for—well, through the middle of all of this, famously.
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But now people are like, yeah, okay, you know, I disagree, but you get to say what you think.
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You let that go and we're all in big trouble, man.
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But I feel like—I also felt like after the election, there was a sigh of relief.
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And not just in the United States, but all over the world, here and other countries that we go to, it's just everybody is celebrating the fact that Trump won the election.
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In Israel and the Arab countries, both people were happy.
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At the Power Slap event the other night, you know, there are fans here, and I was talking to people and taking pictures and stuff, and people were saying to me, you have to tell Trump to stop this war.
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They're looking at the American president to help what's going on over here.
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And in Russia and Ukraine, I think the Russians and the Ukrainians, maybe not Zelensky, but I think most Ukrainians—I've never met a Ukrainian that's not for Trump.
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Because they think that—I mean, you've got fighters from all over the world.
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And the farther away they are from the United States, the more they are for Trump.
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Well, did you ever notice that every time I have Trump at a UFC event, every fighter walks over to him and, you know, pays respect to him?
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And all the fighters love him from all over the world.
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And, yeah, it's been a huge sigh of relief since the election.
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So, the biggest change, I haven't talked to Mark Zuckerberg in a while, and then all of a sudden I see him, and he looks completely different.
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He puts you on the meta board, and he's like, he seems like a Trump guy.
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I think what you saw, not just Zuckerberg, I think you see all the guys from Silicon Valley now that are, you know,
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having dinner with Trump, showing up at the inauguration, and creating a relationship with him.
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I feel like a lot of these people were, during the woke, nutty madness that we went through, you know,
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I guess I would call it during the COVID era, and a little before that, are also relieved that it's over.
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And I think a lot of people, there was very few people, there was a handful of people that actually stood up against this
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and weren't afraid to face, I don't know, whatever we might have faced during that thing.
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A lot of bad things happened to a lot of good people during that time.
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But there was a handful of people that stood up to it, and I think everybody's relieved that it's over.
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Are you concerned that at your next meta meeting, you'll lock eyes with Mark Zuckerberg, and he will steal your soul?
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No, listen, if I felt that way about Zuckerberg, I would have never been on the board.
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So my head of PR actually hit me up one day and says, hey, Mark Zuckerberg's looking for your number.
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So he called me and he said, would you mind coming up to my place in Tahoe and having dinner?
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So I don't know Mark Zuckerberg, never talked to him, saw the movie.
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That's as much as I knew about Mark Zuckerberg.
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So I walk into his living room, into his house, and they put me in the living room to wait.
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And he's got this American flag on the wall with like 13 stars on it or whatever.
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In the back, he's got a house right on the lake.
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The biggest American flag you've ever seen in your life ripping in the wind in the backyard.
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Then he comes in, we sit down, we have dinner, and we probably talk for four hours.
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And I walked away from that first meeting liking Mark.
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And we started to create a relationship from there.
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Then the whole Elon versus Mark Zuckerberg fight thing that was going on at that time,
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And I had a blast doing the negotiations with that thing, talking to Elon for an hour every
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About the fight, where it would be, what weight classes, this, that, what could you do?
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And I was literally doing conference calls with the government in Italy to do this thing
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And, you know, for the right number, the Colosseum was going to let us do that fight there.
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And then eventually, you know, it started to fall apart.
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And through that, Mark and I became even closer.
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And then, uh, I flew from Italy to, um, to the RNC.
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And I flew back to Italy on my vacation with my family.
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And, uh, I got a text from Mark that said, hey, can you talk for a minute?
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You always seem to be on the right side of everything.
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I would be honored if you would sit on the board for Meta.
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I mean, he gave $350 million to Joe Biden's campaign in 2020.
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That's kind of wild that he's watching you at the RNC.
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That's, that's the, the, the beginning up until today of, of my relationship with Mark.
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And, and, uh, you know, I know a lot of people think my, my, my sister,
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my sister's as far right, my sister's like you, as far right as you could possibly get
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I couldn't get you two apart in New York, but my, my, uh, my sister during the COVID
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So my sister had her, you know, her feelings about Zuckerberg and a lot of other people that
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So what did she think about you going in the meta board?
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And, uh, you know, but I said, uh, listen, Mark Zuckerberg isn't, isn't what everybody
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Well, I do think it was, I mean, we're just watching it from afar, not talking to you about
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it, but I thought the one thing that everyone knows about you is you're opposed to censorship.
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You're clearly, I mean, again, this week you had, you came out and you said one of your
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fighters said something you thought was disgusting and you hated, but you're not firing him.
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Like you've kind of taken a stand against censorship very publicly again and again and again.
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Like what's going to happen when you're sitting in a meeting, you know, like we need to censor
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I'm not there for my, my technical capabilities.
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And by, uh, you know, what my theories on AI are and how we should, uh, you know, uh, I,
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I, I, I know my role there and, uh, I've already been, I've already been in it.
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I mean, we've already had some situations and some things that we've dealt with my first
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board meeting actually in person, you know, up in, up in Silicon Valley is, uh, a week
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Then I fly home and then like a week later is my first board meeting where we're not
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Um, so, um, yeah, I'm, I'm not, uh, um, I know what my role is and I, I, I, I'm the
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type of guy I will speak at this thing when I can add value.
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And when I think I, um, you know, I got a lot to learn, never been on a board before
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run, run, run a company, big company now that deals in, you know, hundreds of millions
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And, um, a lot of the things that I do are by, I, I would guess I would just say gut
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You know, it's not like, um, again, my head of PR, PR, she's brilliant and I respect her
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very much, but it's not like the other night when we, um, I found out what Bryce Mitchell
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It's not like we got a bunch of lawyers on the phone and we didn't, you know, I did,
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I got on Google and I started looking up world war two and, you know, remind Bryce
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Let's, and, and why he's not a good guy and why you wouldn't want to go fishing with
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Um, you know, I saw people saying, oh, he read a can't, I don't ever read can statements.
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And lawyers are never involved when I go out and speak, um, whatever, I'm writing
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Uh, you know, I wrote them down so I, I, I wouldn't forget.
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Everything is exactly how I feel about it, whether you like it or not.
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This is my company and I'll run it the way I want to.
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So when you say, you know, your role at Facebook and you say Zuckerberg said to you, I need
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Do you feel like your role is to oppose censorship at Facebook?
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I, no, I don't think that my role is to oppose censorship.
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I think that there's going to be decisions that need to be made on the fly.
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I mean, I've already been involved in, in, in a few things already, um, in just a short
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And I give my opinion on what I think should be done and how it should be handled.
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Everybody that I've met on the, on, on the board already, they're, they're all actually
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And we've all had really good interaction so far.
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I don't know how long we're going to sit in there in the, in the, in these board meetings,
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but, um, that'll be different and new for me, a new experience for me, but my interaction
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with all the other board members has been really, really good so far.
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And, and I think that when I can add value, I will speak up and, and, and, and at the end
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of the day, Mark Zuckerberg runs meta and he'll make the final decisions.
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I think, uh, it's brilliant in the way that he brings people in that he likes and respects
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and wants to hear from and everybody gives their opinion.
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Do you think that we're at peak openness right now for the internet?
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It feels like people have more freedom to say what they really think than I've ever seen.
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You know, one of the things that I've learned in my short time at Meta is the far right think
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The far left think that it's too dangerous and not being policed enough.
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And the only place where there is true free speech is in America, and the rest of the world
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Like, that's what I've learned in my short time.
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So, if you are in some country, whatever country, that has, you know, Facebook or Instagram or
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whatever it is, and something gets posted and stays up that they don't like, they'll fine
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So, when you think about Facebook, Instagram, X, et cetera, et cetera, I mean, this is the
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These are the Fox, the ABCs, the NBCs, you know, of the future.
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This is like owning a major network or the New York Times or, you know-
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Yeah, it's like television plus newspapers because it has the emotional resonance and
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Like, everywhere in the world, people are looking at this stuff.
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As soon as something comes out, the whole world knows instantly.
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So, it's not surprising that country X, every other country, basically other than the United
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States, is going to be pushing Meta and Google and Elon at X to, you know, tailor this or
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But the United States is based on the idea that citizens get to say what they think, period.
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The fact that he would go in and spend the kind of money that he did to buy that thing,
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I mean, he is literally a superhero in this country right now.
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And I think what he did also made a lot of people in that field, I guess I'd say, braver
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And then obviously having this administration, there's nothing worse than when the government
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When the Obama administration was in, they came after us for being a monopoly.
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We bought turning it around, creating jobs and all these other things.
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We had to spend like eight or nine million dollars at that time to defend ourself against
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So, you know, whenever you have the government coming after you, it's not fun.
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When you said your sister complained about you joining the board, I forgot to ask you
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Well, I told her the same thing that I just told you about how I felt about Mark.
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Would you rather not have Metta and Mark Zuckerberg and everybody on our side?
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You want the Zuckerbergs of the world and the Googles and the Apples and, you know,
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You want as many allies on the side of common sense as possible.
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You don't want to distance yourself from these guys.
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You want to embrace them and try to figure out how to bring everybody into the common
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Why fight and battle and say, I would never sit on the board of Metta or whatever.
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If he thinks that I can add any value, why would I not do it?
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And I'm very into social media and I think it's the future and obviously AI is too.
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And I get to get inside and see and learn the future of this thing and have a hand in
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So what, I mean, you say that for the next four years, social media in this country following
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the lead of Elon is likely to be open and free and less crazy, more common sense oriented,
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What about the other professional sports leagues like NFL, NBA?
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Do they swing back into the center of America or they continue on this self-destructive path?
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I, I, what I do is I run mine the way I think it should.
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And again, I, I, I run it with what I call common sense.
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Well, I mean, it's hard to say that the NFL is screwing up.
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I mean, the, the NFL is as powerful as powerful could be.
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The NBA ratings are dropping, you know, they're having their issues.
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Um, but, uh, yeah, it's hard to mess with the NFL.
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The NFL, you can not like the new kickoff thing.
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You can like some things they don't do, but the NFL absolutely kills it.
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I just went to the Laker Celtics game a couple of weeks ago and I'll be at another Celtics game.
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And I just think that the NBA has gotten soft and everybody sees you in what sense.
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We were just talking about this at dinner tonight.
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I mean, if you, if you look at the NBA, when we grew up, yeah.
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But when, when people ask me about, um, idols and heroes and all these kinds of stuff,
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I've had people who've had influence on me like Bruce Lee and Mike Tyson and, and,
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and lots of other people growing up, but Michael Jordan.
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Michael Jordan to me is, I've never met Michael Jordan and I don't want to meet Michael Jordan.
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Biggest Michael Jordan fan ever of his mentality.
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And the stuff that his teammates say about him that everybody says, I love, love it.
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You haven't seen that since Kobe, you know, it just, it just doesn't have that.
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When you go back and think of the, the, the NBA from the eighties and nineties and all
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the different stars that you could remember from back then and how, um, it was just a
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It was, it was a lot tougher and, uh, so many, uh, fouls and flopping and all the stuff
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that happens today isn't what the NBA used to be and what made the NBA big.
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You get too rich and, and, and, and things change, but I wouldn't say that.
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Maybe, maybe money did, but I mean, the game changed and society changed and they did
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Um, listen, everybody gets, everybody changes when you, when you make a lot of money, you
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know, when, when, no matter what walk, soft fighters lose immediately.
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No, but no matter what walk of life you're in, once you get to a certain level of success,
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you have to be a certain type of person to stay hungry and get out and fight every day.
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When we sold in 2016, 99% of the people said that I was going to retire.
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Let me tell you what you think I'm going to know.
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I'm still out building, you know, new brands and doing shit that I don't need to be doing,
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Um, but yeah, I could see, you know, you know how many people, you know, in a sale like
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mine in 2016, it just, you never see that guy again.
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No, but, but that is actually kind of a big question since there are an awful lot of people
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in our country, you know, who, cause there's so much money floating around.
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Like, do you ever check up on them to see what happened to them?
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You should, you should, you should do a show on people who, who made it big and, and,
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Well, I mean, once the fight is gone, life is gone.
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I will keep dogging this out until the day I dropped dead.
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This guy's the biggest douchebag of all time, but I'm, I'm at.
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He wouldn't have seen it anyway, but he's sitting over there.
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Bob Arum is in Saudi Arabia ringside at a boxing event.
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Two days later, he's in London at a press conference.
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You said, I, I would have, but then you said he was at a WNBA game.
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No, I got, I got courtside seats at the Las Vegas Aces.
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And I go there and I support her as much as possible.