The Tucker Carlson Show - Dana White： Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump

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00:00:14.880 People love slapping. 0.99

00:00:16.980 They love slapping, yes. 0.89

00:00:18.560 Are you shocked?

00:00:19.780 No, I'm not shocked because I have this sort of gut thing I have.

00:00:23.540 And when I first started watching it, what's crazy is two nights ago, we did the event here.

00:00:28.620 And the guy who won the world title was the guy that got me into it.

00:00:32.820 When I started watching this stuff a few years ago, this guy named Dumpling out of Siberia, Russia.

00:00:38.720 Okay?

00:00:39.980 You have the best job.

00:00:40.660 I'm not kidding you.

00:00:41.760 I'm not kidding you.

00:00:42.900 When we first paid him, I think he wanted $25,003 goats.

00:00:48.200 Did you come up with a male or a female?

00:00:50.620 Goats?

00:00:51.200 Yeah.

00:00:51.540 That's a good question.

00:00:52.340 I don't know the answer to that question, but he got $25,003 goats.

00:00:55.280 That was the first, yeah, Dumpling from Siberia. 0.58

00:00:59.600 The guy who got me into this became the world champion here in Saudi Arabia.

00:01:03.360 I think it seems more painful than getting punched.

00:01:26.940 I don't know about that.

00:01:28.080 What you're going to watch tonight, listen, you take a minimum of three slaps and slap, you're going to see shins to the face, elbows, kicks, slams.

00:01:38.060 Yeah. 0.82

00:01:38.700 You slap me all day. 0.97

00:01:40.400 Shin to the face is, nah. 0.86

00:01:42.420 No, you're right.

00:01:43.200 You're absolutely right.

00:01:43.560 Or an elbow.

00:01:45.000 I saw you two weeks ago on stage at the inauguration.

00:01:48.700 What was that like?

00:01:50.200 It was awesome.

00:01:50.920 Obviously, like me, you have a great relationship with this guy, and to see him to be this far away when he was taking his oath, how cool was that?

00:02:02.980 I mean, it was awesome.

00:02:04.660 I think you've known him better than almost anyone around him for longer.

00:02:11.280 He and I are very close.

00:02:12.220 I know, and have been for a long time.

00:02:13.720 And that became pretty obvious late in the campaign when, even though you're not political, you wound up kind of associated with Trump just because you know him so well.

00:02:20.600 Do you think he's changed since July when he got shot?

00:02:24.720 Do you notice a change?

00:02:26.020 For the better.

00:02:27.020 Yeah.

00:02:27.380 Yeah.

00:02:27.660 How?

00:02:28.500 Yeah.

00:02:28.840 I think that, listen, at the end of the day, as resilient and as tough as this guy is, you know, when you almost get assassinated the way that he was, I think it messes with you a little bit.

00:02:43.460 And the thing about him is, I talked to him.

00:02:47.560 I was flying to Italy when he was shot at, and I called him as soon as I landed, and he had just got home from the hospital, and he seemed unfazed.

00:03:00.340 Yes.

00:03:00.680 Which is, it's just not even, it's not humanly possible, but he did.

00:03:04.780 But then after that, he flew the next day to the RNC in Milwaukee and literally never rested, never took a break, never stayed out of the limelight after almost getting shot.

00:03:20.620 And I don't know, I just felt like it, for him, it affected him, but he made a complete recovery from that thing.

00:03:30.060 He did.

00:03:30.920 I talked to him also that night, and he seemed totally unaffected, but how could you be totally unaffected?

00:03:36.180 Do you think there were long-term consequences, good consequences?

00:03:40.380 I mean, he went on to be more successful than he's ever been, right?

00:03:43.700 It's just a testament to his toughness, his resilience, his grittiness, and I think this is what I truly believe.

00:03:52.680 I think that to his core, he believes that God spared him to run this country for the next four years.

00:04:00.800 And I think that had a lot to do with his mentality coming out of that, you know, assassination attempt.

00:04:07.880 Because he does seem calmer, he certainly seems more decisive and in command.

00:04:12.400 I mean, that's just from watching it.

00:04:14.800 Brilliant.

00:04:16.180 Tucker, I went to Mar-a-Lago to be with him election night.

00:04:21.260 He hadn't slept in like 72 hours.

00:04:23.840 Then he wins the election.

00:04:25.860 I jump on a plane.

00:04:27.360 I flew to Las Vegas and picked up my wife, and then I flew to Hawaii.

00:04:31.640 And the guy's calling me the next, I mean, the guy doesn't sleep.

00:04:37.900 He just keeps going and going and going.

00:04:40.340 And you know, the rallies that he was doing leading up to the election night.

00:04:43.320 And I left election night, I jumped on the plane at four in the morning.

00:04:48.560 He was still up when I left at four in the morning.

00:04:53.000 And I literally, I don't know if the guy slept since then.

00:04:56.240 It's unbelievable.

00:04:57.500 All of that is totally real, and on a diet that you would not recommend to any person.

00:05:03.540 Never seen him, still.

00:05:04.720 Never seen him drink water.

00:05:06.380 And you know, I've been with him a lot since the election.

00:05:09.660 Still, haven't seen him drink water.

00:05:11.660 He doesn't, it's just, he's, he's.

00:05:14.060 What do you think that, do you have any guesses?

00:05:15.860 I don't.

00:05:16.040 I mean, you're in the business of like getting maximum performance out of body and mind and spirit.

00:05:21.260 Right.

00:05:21.620 And he's doing the opposite of everything you'd recommend, but, you know, running the world.

00:05:27.540 Yeah.

00:05:27.860 Do you have any guesses as to how that happens?

00:05:30.000 I don't know.

00:05:31.060 I just, you're unlike any human that I've ever met, you know?

00:05:35.160 And I say it all the time.

00:05:37.720 I've never seen anybody that operates the way that this man does.

00:05:41.940 And it's such a, and you know what was badass?

00:05:48.380 The press conference that he had the other day, right?

00:05:52.900 When the helicopter crashed into the plane.

00:05:55.380 Yeah.

00:05:57.120 Room was packed.

00:05:58.440 He's calling off questions.

00:06:00.000 People are jumping over each other.

00:06:01.240 Their hands are thrown up.

00:06:02.520 When have you seen that kind of energy in the White House?

00:06:06.760 Especially, you know, within the last however many years.

00:06:11.240 You know, you had a guy who couldn't talk publicly.

00:06:13.820 You had a vice president who couldn't speak publicly.

00:06:16.120 You know, I know the girl who was the, in the last administration that, you know, the secretary of, you know, whatever the hell she was, that goes out and does the press conferences. 0.97

00:06:27.720 She's taking a lot of heat. 1.00

00:06:28.740 But could you imagine having that job during the Biden administration?

00:06:32.980 No.

00:06:33.200 It had to be absolutely brutal.

00:06:35.020 Horrifying.

00:06:35.440 Right?

00:06:35.760 The girl's got to go out and lie pretty much every day. 1.00

00:06:38.580 And any type of question that made sense, she would just shut it down and walk out and leave. 0.99

00:06:46.200 I mean, that had to be the worst job in America.

00:06:48.840 There couldn't be a worse job.

00:06:49.880 And she did the worst job you could do.

00:06:51.120 Yeah.

00:06:51.440 At the worst job.

00:06:52.060 With what she had to work with, I actually feel bad for that woman.

00:06:55.640 I actually feel bad for that woman. 0.99

00:06:57.260 Cut that woman some slack, please. 1.00

00:06:58.860 I mean, imagine that's your job.

00:07:01.240 That you have to go out during that administration and face the media every day.

00:07:05.780 But anyway, that's besides the point.

00:07:07.940 That was incredible.

00:07:08.780 The last press conference when he was out there, it was like people were climbing over each other.

00:07:13.440 And he gets right in there, fires away, and answers questions.

00:07:17.360 And, you know, he's incredible.

00:07:19.760 There's nothing like this guy.

00:07:21.040 I mean, it seems like—

00:07:22.380 And how much he's done.

00:07:23.460 Yeah, a lot.

00:07:23.980 In the short amount of time that he's been there.

00:07:25.640 So where's the opposition to him?

00:07:27.320 It seems like all of a sudden, you know, we spent eight years hearing that, you know, he's this evil tyrant who's going to suspend the Constitution and enslave the nation.

00:07:35.140 And then he wins and you don't—there's like kind of no opposition.

00:07:38.780 What happened?

00:07:39.660 Like, do you know any liberals still?

00:07:42.480 Well, you know what's funny?

00:07:44.440 You know, I'm one of these guys, and you and I have had this conversation before.

00:07:47.320 I don't judge anybody by their politics.

00:07:49.020 Yeah.

00:07:49.280 And I follow like CNN and MSNBC and all these other—because I like to hear everybody—MSNBC.

00:07:57.620 I don't even know how they're still on the air. 0.95

00:07:59.980 They are the nuttiest. 0.82

00:08:01.300 I had to unfollow. 0.69

00:08:02.600 For me to do that, it's like I love hearing everybody's opinion. 0.99

00:08:06.760 They are nuts. 0.95

00:08:07.880 It's like I can't even listen to them. 1.00

00:08:10.060 They're so—it's almost like a comic strip.

00:08:12.400 Like it's a cartoon, that network.

00:08:14.800 It's like a cartoon.

00:08:16.020 It's so bad.

00:08:17.300 It's unbelievable.

00:08:18.740 And it's the whole—if Trump says it's blue, they say it's black.

00:08:23.000 If it's—you know, it's just—it's so bad.

00:08:25.900 But yeah, no.

00:08:28.200 One by a landslide.

00:08:29.820 Anyone in your personal life?

00:08:31.420 No.

00:08:31.560 Like, do you feel like there's been a change?

00:08:33.120 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:33.780 There's not one person that I know that is a hardcore liberal and they're out there arguing about anything anymore.

00:08:42.020 It's dead.

00:08:43.300 It's all gone.

00:08:44.120 Actually, the exact opposite.

00:08:46.240 The people that I know that were very liberal, they're not very right, but they're definitely not very left.

00:08:53.300 I know.

00:08:53.960 Right?

00:08:55.180 And everyone seems to have accepted free speech as the status quo now.

00:08:59.680 I think so.

00:09:00.320 You've been sticking with that for—well, through the middle of all of this, famously.

00:09:06.120 But now people are like, yeah, okay, you know, I disagree, but you get to say what you think.

00:09:09.560 Yeah.

00:09:10.060 No, I—

00:09:10.400 Does it feel that way?

00:09:11.500 Yeah.

00:09:12.080 Well, it needs to be that way.

00:09:13.140 You can never let that go.

00:09:14.300 You let that go and we're all in big trouble, man.

00:09:17.960 So—

00:09:18.360 But I feel like—I also felt like after the election, there was a sigh of relief.

00:09:23.560 And not just in the United States, but all over the world, here and other countries that we go to, it's just everybody is celebrating the fact that Trump won the election.

00:09:34.580 On both sides of the conflict.

00:09:36.100 I agree.

00:09:36.740 In Israel and the Arab countries, both people were happy.

00:09:40.040 I agree.

00:09:41.140 At the Power Slap event the other night, you know, there are fans here, and I was talking to people and taking pictures and stuff, and people were saying to me, you have to tell Trump to stop this war.

00:09:51.520 Trump has to stop this war.

00:09:52.640 You know what I mean?

00:09:53.300 They're looking at the American president to help what's going on over here.

00:09:57.520 And I hope he will.

00:09:58.460 And in Russia and Ukraine, I think the Russians and the Ukrainians, maybe not Zelensky, but I think most Ukrainians—I've never met a Ukrainian that's not for Trump.

00:10:05.480 I've never met a Russian that's not for Trump. 0.70

00:10:06.980 I mean, it's just interesting.

00:10:08.300 Could not agree with you more.

00:10:09.100 Because they think that—I mean, you've got fighters from all over the world.

00:10:12.060 Yep.

00:10:13.080 And the farther away they are from the United States, the more they are for Trump.

00:10:15.360 Well, did you ever notice that every time I have Trump at a UFC event, every fighter walks over to him and, you know, pays respect to him?

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00:13:42.480 So, the biggest change, I haven't talked to Mark Zuckerberg in a while, and then all of a sudden I see him, and he looks completely different.

00:13:52.320 He puts you on the meta board, and he's like, he seems like a Trump guy.

00:13:56.800 What is that?

00:13:57.720 I think what you saw, not just Zuckerberg, I think you see all the guys from Silicon Valley now that are, you know,

00:14:03.520 having dinner with Trump, showing up at the inauguration, and creating a relationship with him.

00:14:12.580 I feel like a lot of these people were, during the woke, nutty madness that we went through, you know,

00:14:20.660 I guess I would call it during the COVID era, and a little before that, are also relieved that it's over.

00:14:30.320 And I think a lot of people, there was very few people, there was a handful of people that actually stood up against this

00:14:36.660 and weren't afraid to face, I don't know, whatever we might have faced during that thing.

00:14:44.720 A lot of people got canceled.

00:14:46.540 A lot of bad things happened to a lot of good people during that time.

00:14:51.060 But there was a handful of people that stood up to it, and I think everybody's relieved that it's over.

00:14:56.140 Are you concerned that at your next meta meeting, you'll lock eyes with Mark Zuckerberg, and he will steal your soul?

00:15:04.060 Do you not get that alien vibe at all?

00:15:06.040 I actually like Mark.

00:15:07.020 No, listen, if I felt that way about Zuckerberg, I would have never been on the board.

00:15:11.360 I would have never.

00:15:12.060 So my head of PR actually hit me up one day and says, hey, Mark Zuckerberg's looking for your number.

00:15:18.540 Can I give it to him?

00:15:19.480 And I said, yeah, of course.

00:15:20.720 So he called me and he said, would you mind coming up to my place in Tahoe and having dinner?

00:15:27.860 And I said-

00:15:29.020 What's his place in Tahoe like?

00:15:31.180 I'll tell you.

00:15:32.260 So I don't know Mark Zuckerberg, never talked to him, saw the movie.

00:15:38.060 That's as much as I knew about Mark Zuckerberg.

00:15:40.560 So I walk into his living room, into his house, and they put me in the living room to wait.

00:15:48.160 And he's got this American flag on the wall with like 13 stars on it or whatever.

00:15:53.440 You know what I mean?

00:15:54.300 And I'm like, off to a good start.

00:15:56.820 In the back, he's got a house right on the lake.

00:15:59.120 The biggest American flag you've ever seen in your life ripping in the wind in the backyard.

00:16:04.200 Really?

00:16:05.180 100%.

00:16:05.580 100%.

00:16:06.700 Then he comes in, we sit down, we have dinner, and we probably talk for four hours.

00:16:12.580 And I walked away from that first meeting liking Mark.

00:16:19.540 And we started to create a relationship from there.

00:16:22.980 We talked.

00:16:23.900 And he's a UFC fan.

00:16:25.960 And we became friends.

00:16:28.640 Then the whole Elon versus Mark Zuckerberg fight thing that was going on at that time,

00:16:34.380 that was real.

00:16:35.500 And I was in the middle of it.

00:16:36.980 And I had a blast doing the negotiations with that thing, talking to Elon for an hour every

00:16:42.540 night, talking to Mark an hour every night.

00:16:44.400 And then I was literally...

00:16:45.380 What were the negotiations about?

00:16:47.260 About the fight, where it would be, what weight classes, this, that, what could you do?

00:16:51.780 What couldn't you do?

00:16:52.520 And I was literally doing conference calls with the government in Italy to do this thing

00:17:00.720 in the Colosseum in Rome.

00:17:03.040 And, you know, for the right number, the Colosseum was going to let us do that fight there.

00:17:09.420 And then eventually, you know, it started to fall apart.

00:17:12.340 Um, but while it lasted, it was fun.

00:17:16.260 And through that, Mark and I became even closer.

00:17:19.200 And then, uh, I flew from Italy to, um, to the RNC.

00:17:25.300 I spoke at the RNC.

00:17:26.660 Yeah.

00:17:26.880 And I flew back to Italy on my vacation with my family.

00:17:30.500 And, uh, I got a text from Mark that said, hey, can you talk for a minute?

00:17:35.080 Called him back.

00:17:35.760 And he said, um, this is what he said to me.

00:17:38.720 Um, I think you're a great businessman.

00:17:41.860 You always seem to be on the right side of everything.

00:17:45.160 And, uh, my company needs a backbone.

00:17:47.640 I would be honored if you would sit on the board for Meta.

00:17:51.520 And I...

00:17:51.960 This was right after your RNC speech?

00:17:54.240 Right after.

00:17:54.720 As soon as I landed back in Italy.

00:17:56.020 I mean, he gave $350 million to Joe Biden's campaign in 2020.

00:18:00.460 That's kind of wild that he's watching you at the RNC.

00:18:03.060 And it's like, I like what you have to say.

00:18:04.860 I want you on the Meta board.

00:18:05.760 Like, what do you make of that?

00:18:07.020 I don't know.

00:18:08.400 Yeah, I don't know.

00:18:10.820 That's interesting.

00:18:11.680 You got to admit.

00:18:12.740 Yeah.

00:18:13.740 But that's how it all went down.

00:18:15.100 That's, that's the, the, the beginning up until today of, of my relationship with Mark.

00:18:20.080 And, and, uh, you know, I know a lot of people think my, my, my sister,

00:18:26.020 my sister's as far right, my sister's like you, as far right as you could possibly get

00:18:30.700 during the COVID era.

00:18:32.320 She is a good person.

00:18:33.280 Well, you met her.

00:18:34.700 You and her hit it off in New York.

00:18:36.460 I'm totally, yes, I'm on her side.

00:18:37.320 I couldn't get you two apart in New York, but my, my, uh, my sister during the COVID

00:18:42.240 area, I'd have to say, Kelly, stop texting me.

00:18:45.160 I stopped.

00:18:45.800 Okay.

00:18:46.160 The world, the world is not ending.

00:18:48.880 So my sister had her, you know, her feelings about Zuckerberg and a lot of other people that

00:18:54.420 are far right.

00:18:55.060 But I'm, I'm just telling you my relationship.

00:18:57.420 Kelly is not far right.

00:18:58.460 Kelly is as far right as you are.

00:19:02.240 So what did she think about you going in the meta board?

00:19:04.240 She, you know, she, she didn't love it.

00:19:06.500 And, uh, you know, but I said, uh, listen, Mark Zuckerberg isn't, isn't what everybody

00:19:14.340 thinks he is.

00:19:14.880 He's not as bad as, as everybody thinks he is.

00:19:17.100 Well, I do think it was, I mean, we're just watching it from afar, not talking to you about

00:19:23.320 it, but I thought the one thing that everyone knows about you is you're opposed to censorship.

00:19:27.120 You're clearly, I mean, again, this week you had, you came out and you said one of your

00:19:30.700 fighters said something you thought was disgusting and you hated, but you're not firing him.

00:19:33.920 Like you've kind of taken a stand against censorship very publicly again and again and again.

00:19:40.120 You know, Facebook is known for censorship.

00:19:42.060 So probably a good thing.

00:19:43.220 They're putting you on the board.

00:19:44.060 Like what's going to happen when you're sitting in a meeting, you know, like we need to censor

00:19:46.700 stuff we disagree with.

00:19:48.080 I think that's why I'm there.

00:19:49.520 I'm not there for my, my technical capabilities.

00:19:52.160 I can promise you that.

00:19:53.220 And by, uh, you know, what my theories on AI are and how we should, uh, you know, uh, I,

00:19:58.600 I, I, I know my role there and, uh, I've already been, I've already been in it.

00:20:02.960 I mean, we've already had some situations and some things that we've dealt with my first

00:20:07.140 board meeting actually in person, you know, up in, up in Silicon Valley is, uh, a week

00:20:12.900 after I, I, I fly from here to Sydney.

00:20:15.880 We have a fight next Saturday.

00:20:16.980 Then I fly home and then like a week later is my first board meeting where we're not

00:20:20.940 on zoom.

00:20:21.400 Um, so, um, yeah, I'm, I'm not, uh, um, I know what my role is and I, I, I, I'm the

00:20:28.840 type of guy I will speak at this thing when I can add value.

00:20:32.500 And when I think I, um, you know, I got a lot to learn, never been on a board before

00:20:38.520 run, run, run a company, big company now that deals in, you know, hundreds of millions

00:20:44.220 to billions of dollars.

00:20:45.980 And, um, a lot of the things that I do are by, I, I would guess I would just say gut

00:20:54.980 and, and how I think we should handle it.

00:20:57.580 You know, it's not like, um, again, my head of PR, PR, she's brilliant and I respect her

00:21:03.260 very much, but it's not like the other night when we, um, I found out what Bryce Mitchell

00:21:09.300 had said.

00:21:10.040 It's not like we got a bunch of lawyers on the phone and we didn't, you know, I did,

00:21:13.020 I got on Google and I started looking up world war two and, you know, remind Bryce 1.00

00:21:19.700 Mitchell on what a piece of shit Hitler was. 1.00

00:21:24.160 Okay. 1.00

00:21:24.600 Let's, and, and why he's not a good guy and why you wouldn't want to go fishing with

00:21:29.100 him.

00:21:30.460 And, and, and that was it.

00:21:31.920 Um, you know, I saw people saying, oh, he read a can't, I don't ever read can statements.

00:21:36.160 Nobody writes anything for me.

00:21:37.760 And lawyers are never involved when I go out and speak, um, whatever, I'm writing

00:21:42.340 down stats from world war two.

00:21:44.760 Uh, you know, I wrote them down so I, I, I wouldn't forget.

00:21:48.440 Uh, but nobody writes anything for me.

00:21:51.220 Everything is exactly how I feel about it, whether you like it or not.

00:21:57.640 I don't care.

00:21:58.600 I don't care if you like it.

00:21:59.380 I don't care if you don't like it.

00:22:00.260 This is my company and I'll run it the way I want to.

00:22:02.020 Right.

00:22:03.080 So when you say, you know, your role at Facebook and you say Zuckerberg said to you, I need

00:22:08.240 spine on my board.

00:22:10.000 Do you feel like your role is to oppose censorship at Facebook?

00:22:13.100 I, no, I don't think that my role is to oppose censorship.

00:22:16.060 I think that there's going to be decisions that need to be made on the fly.

00:22:21.580 It's already happened.

00:22:22.360 I mean, I've already been involved in, in, in a few things already, um, in just a short

00:22:27.920 time that I've been there.

00:22:28.820 And I give my opinion on what I think should be done and how it should be handled.

00:22:38.040 Everybody that I've met on the, on, on the board already, they're, they're all actually

00:22:41.500 really good people and smart people.

00:22:42.980 And we've all had really good interaction so far.

00:22:47.140 So I'm actually really, I'm really liking it.

00:22:50.940 It's going to be my first board meeting.

00:22:52.400 It's a two day thing.

00:22:53.500 I don't know how long we're going to sit in there in the, in the, in these board meetings,

00:22:55.940 but, um, that'll be different and new for me, a new experience for me, but my interaction

00:23:01.040 with all the other board members has been really, really good so far.

00:23:04.740 So I'm looking forward to it.

00:23:06.240 And, and I think that when I can add value, I will speak up and, and, and, and at the end

00:23:13.080 of the day, Mark Zuckerberg runs meta and he'll make the final decisions.

00:23:16.920 I think, uh, it's brilliant in the way that he brings people in that he likes and respects

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00:25:45.960 Do you think that we're at peak openness right now for the internet?

00:25:50.960 It feels like people have more freedom to say what they really think than I've ever seen.

00:25:56.340 Can that last?

00:25:57.520 Well, I think that's a good question.

00:26:00.480 You know, one of the things that I've learned in my short time at Meta is the far right think

00:26:04.660 they're being suppressed.

00:26:05.980 The far left think that it's too dangerous and not being policed enough.

00:26:10.540 And the only place where there is true free speech is in America, and the rest of the world

00:26:15.800 extorts them every day.

00:26:16.880 Like, that's what I've learned in my short time.

00:26:18.920 Extorts them?

00:26:19.300 What do you mean?

00:26:19.880 Extorts them.

00:26:20.480 So, if you are in some country, whatever country, that has, you know, Facebook or Instagram or

00:26:29.280 whatever it is, and something gets posted and stays up that they don't like, they'll fine

00:26:34.100 them, you know, all kinds of crazy.

00:26:36.980 Threaten to shut them down. 0.95

00:26:38.560 Yeah.

00:26:39.040 That's constant.

00:26:40.220 Constant.

00:26:41.000 Daily.

00:26:42.560 Yeah.

00:26:42.980 Well, it has political effect.

00:26:44.440 I mean-

00:26:44.760 Yeah, there's no doubt.

00:26:45.660 Those companies-

00:26:46.460 Very powerful.

00:26:46.880 They can bring down governments.

00:26:48.100 Very powerful.

00:26:48.680 And probably have, unwittingly or not.

00:26:51.680 They are.

00:26:52.320 So, when you think about Facebook, Instagram, X, et cetera, et cetera, I mean, this is the

00:26:58.800 new media.

00:26:59.220 These are the Fox, the ABCs, the NBCs, you know, of the future.

00:27:04.820 This is like owning a major network or the New York Times or, you know-

00:27:11.780 More.

00:27:12.460 More.

00:27:13.040 More powerful than that.

00:27:13.860 I agree.

00:27:14.420 Yeah.

00:27:14.860 Yeah.

00:27:15.060 Yeah, it's like television plus newspapers because it has the emotional resonance and

00:27:21.380 the full penetration.

00:27:22.840 Like, everywhere in the world, people are looking at this stuff.

00:27:25.360 So-

00:27:25.960 And it's immediate.

00:27:27.160 As soon as something comes out, the whole world knows instantly.

00:27:30.200 Right.

00:27:30.380 So, it's not surprising that country X, every other country, basically other than the United

00:27:35.780 States, is going to be pushing Meta and Google and Elon at X to, you know, tailor this or

00:27:42.220 that according to their demands.

00:27:43.840 But the United States is based on the idea that citizens get to say what they think, period.

00:27:48.600 It's the first point in the Bill of Rights.

00:27:50.620 So, what matters is that they stay firm here.

00:27:54.760 And do you think they will?

00:27:57.600 That's a good question.

00:27:59.240 I think they will for the next four years.

00:28:01.220 I think they will for the next four years.

00:28:02.860 I think you see them all, except for Elon.

00:28:04.840 I mean, let's be honest.

00:28:06.820 Elon was a superhero through this whole-

00:28:08.500 That's for sure.

00:28:09.220 Yeah.

00:28:09.380 You know what I mean?

00:28:10.740 Where are we right now without Elon Musk?

00:28:13.560 It's-

00:28:14.560 What he did was incredible.

00:28:16.660 And-

00:28:17.100 Why do you think he did it?

00:28:19.440 Because I think he's smart and I think he's-

00:28:21.920 I think that something about him is fearless.

00:28:26.640 The fact that he would go in and spend the kind of money that he did to buy that thing,

00:28:32.420 basically just to find out what went on.

00:28:35.440 I mean, he is literally a superhero in this country right now.

00:28:39.060 As far as I'm concerned.

00:28:41.140 And I think what he did also made a lot of people in that field, I guess I'd say, braver

00:28:49.920 and say, you know what?

00:28:50.900 We should follow his lead.

00:28:54.020 And then obviously having this administration, there's nothing worse than when the government

00:28:58.260 comes after you.

00:28:59.460 When we were-

00:29:00.780 When the Obama administration was in, they came after us for being a monopoly.

00:29:04.660 So, we bought this company that was bankrupt.

00:29:07.640 We bought turning it around, creating jobs and all these other things.

00:29:11.780 And we got the government.

00:29:12.920 We had to spend like eight or nine million dollars at that time to defend ourself against

00:29:17.160 a monopoly suit from the government.

00:29:19.000 Meanwhile, Google actually is a monopoly.

00:29:21.000 Yeah.

00:29:21.320 Well, there's a lot of monopolies.

00:29:22.400 There are a lot of monopolies.

00:29:23.200 Exactly.

00:29:23.980 You know?

00:29:24.280 But yeah.

00:29:25.960 So, you know, whenever you have the government coming after you, it's not fun.

00:29:32.440 So, what'd you tell your- I'm sorry, I missed.

00:29:34.740 What'd you tell your sister?

00:29:35.540 She complains from the far right. 1.00

00:29:37.900 What was that?

00:29:38.940 When you said your sister complained about you joining the board, I forgot to ask you

00:29:42.760 how you responded to her.

00:29:43.740 What'd you say to her?

00:29:44.780 Yeah.

00:29:45.040 Well, I told her the same thing that I just told you about how I felt about Mark.

00:29:48.960 And let me ask you a question.

00:29:51.660 Would you rather not have Metta and Mark Zuckerberg and everybody on our side?

00:29:58.740 I mean, and by our side-

00:30:01.540 I'd rather have you influencing them.

00:30:03.780 I think that's good.

00:30:04.580 By our side.

00:30:05.580 I mean the side of common sense.

00:30:06.920 I agree.

00:30:07.480 I totally agree.

00:30:08.220 The side of common sense.

00:30:09.300 You want the Zuckerbergs of the world and the Googles and the Apples and, you know,

00:30:14.720 the Elon Musk.

00:30:15.480 You want as many allies on the side of common sense as possible.

00:30:20.280 You don't want to distance yourself from these guys.

00:30:23.640 You want to embrace them and try to figure out how to bring everybody into the common

00:30:30.060 sense world, right?

00:30:31.160 I mean, isn't that what we all want?

00:30:33.000 Why fight and battle and say, I would never sit on the board of Metta or whatever.

00:30:37.520 If he thinks that I can add any value, why would I not do it?

00:30:43.640 And I'm very into social media and I think it's the future and obviously AI is too.

00:30:49.000 And I get to get inside and see and learn the future of this thing and have a hand in

00:30:56.200 how it all plays out.

00:30:58.380 Why would I not want to do that?

00:31:00.320 I think that's fair.

00:31:01.420 I think that's fair.

00:31:02.120 So what, I mean, you say that for the next four years, social media in this country following

00:31:08.540 the lead of Elon is likely to be open and free and less crazy, more common sense oriented,

00:31:12.760 less woke, et cetera.

00:31:13.720 What about the other professional sports leagues like NFL, NBA?

00:31:18.820 Do they swing back into the center of America or they continue on this self-destructive path?

00:31:24.380 I don't know.

00:31:24.800 That's a good question.

00:31:25.880 That's a good question.

00:31:26.740 Uh, that's one I can't answer.

00:31:28.700 I, I, what I do is I run mine the way I think it should.

00:31:35.500 And again, I, I, I run it with what I call common sense.

00:31:40.280 I, that's worked for you.

00:31:41.520 So why wouldn't they try that?

00:31:42.680 Well, I mean, it's hard to say that the NFL is screwing up.

00:31:46.240 I mean, the, the NFL is as powerful as powerful could be.

00:31:49.220 The NBA ratings are dropping, you know, they're having their issues.

00:31:54.980 Um, but, uh, yeah, it's hard to mess with the NFL.

00:31:59.540 The NFL, you can not like the new kickoff thing.

00:32:02.800 You can like some things they don't do, but the NFL absolutely kills it.

00:32:06.580 It's, it's the most powerful.

00:32:07.900 What do you think is going on with the NBA?

00:32:09.540 Why are their ratings down?

00:32:10.600 I just think the, I'm an NBA fan.

00:32:12.880 I just went to the Laker Celtics game a couple of weeks ago and I'll be at another Celtics game.

00:32:17.280 And I just think that the NBA has gotten soft and everybody sees you in what sense.

00:32:22.680 We were just talking about this at dinner tonight.

00:32:24.120 I mean, if you, if you look at the NBA, when we grew up, yeah.

00:32:29.380 So I'm a, I'm a lifelong diehard Celtics fan.

00:32:32.780 Yeah.

00:32:33.280 New England.

00:32:33.800 But when, when people ask me about, um, idols and heroes and all these kinds of stuff,

00:32:39.780 I've had people who've had influence on me like Bruce Lee and Mike Tyson and, and,

00:32:44.240 and lots of other people growing up, but Michael Jordan.

00:32:47.720 Michael Jordan to me is, I've never met Michael Jordan and I don't want to meet Michael Jordan.

00:32:52.340 I don't ever want to meet him.

00:32:54.080 I, I, I, I am.

00:32:55.700 That's probably a good call.

00:32:56.460 Biggest Michael Jordan fan ever of his mentality. 0.88

00:33:01.000 The way that he, I like killers, man. 1.00

00:33:03.460 And Michael Jordan was a killer.

00:33:05.760 And the stuff that his teammates say about him that everybody says, I love, love it.

00:33:10.560 Um, and, and the NBA just isn't like that.

00:33:13.520 You haven't seen that since Kobe, you know, it just, it just doesn't have that.

00:33:18.140 When you go back and think of the, the, the NBA from the eighties and nineties and all

00:33:22.920 the different stars that you could remember from back then and how, um, it was just a

00:33:28.600 tougher game that, you know what I mean?

00:33:30.120 It was, it was a lot tougher and, uh, so many, uh, fouls and flopping and all the stuff

00:33:37.860 that happens today isn't what the NBA used to be and what made the NBA big.

00:33:42.960 You think they got too rich?

00:33:45.280 It happens.

00:33:46.480 Happens my business too.

00:33:47.820 You get too rich and, and, and, and things change, but I wouldn't say that.

00:33:52.960 Yeah.

00:33:53.540 Yeah.

00:33:53.780 Maybe you're right.

00:33:54.500 Yeah.

00:33:55.720 Money screws up a lot of things.

00:33:57.180 Maybe, maybe money did, but I mean, the game changed and society changed and they did

00:34:03.080 become, become richer.

00:34:04.780 I don't know.

00:34:05.180 That's a, that's a tough one to.

00:34:06.200 Will that happen to you?

00:34:08.400 Will you have soft fighters?

00:34:09.700 Do you think at some point?

00:34:11.280 Um, listen, everybody gets, everybody changes when you, when you make a lot of money, you

00:34:16.720 know, when, when, no matter what walk, soft fighters lose immediately. 1.00

00:34:20.300 No, but no matter what walk of life you're in, once you get to a certain level of success,

00:34:25.620 you have to be a certain type of person to stay hungry and get out and fight every day.

00:34:30.300 When we sold in 2016, 99% of the people said that I was going to retire.

00:34:35.760 And walk away.

00:34:37.340 I'm not wired like that.

00:34:38.820 I love Michael Jordan.

00:34:40.440 Let me tell you what you think I'm going to know.

00:34:42.300 I'm that's the way that I'm wired too. 0.93

00:34:44.260 I'm still out building, you know, new brands and doing shit that I don't need to be doing,

00:34:49.220 but I do it because I love it.

00:34:50.980 Um, but yeah, I could see, you know, you know how many people, you know, in a sale like

00:34:57.200 mine in 2016, it just, you never see that guy again.

00:34:59.840 They just, they're done.

00:35:02.540 You know, and what happens to him?

00:35:04.480 I don't know.

00:35:04.820 I think you just go hang out. 0.96

00:35:06.680 I don't know what the hell you do. 0.97

00:35:07.520 I don't know what people like that do.

00:35:08.860 No, but, but that is actually kind of a big question since there are an awful lot of people

00:35:13.200 in our country, you know, who, cause there's so much money floating around.

00:35:17.100 It was kind of just kind of checked out.

00:35:18.440 They got too rich.

00:35:19.140 Like, do you ever check up on them to see what happened to them?

00:35:21.360 No, I never have.

00:35:22.600 It'd be interesting though.

00:35:23.500 You should, you should, you should do a show on people who, who made it big and, and,

00:35:27.620 uh, you know, where are they now?

00:35:29.900 What are they doing?

00:35:30.500 What do you do every day?

00:35:31.700 They're suffering.

00:35:32.700 Yeah.

00:35:33.180 Gotta be right.

00:35:34.100 Yeah.

00:35:34.360 Well, I mean, once the fight is gone, life is gone.

00:35:37.980 I will never retire ever.

00:35:41.520 I will keep dogging this out until the day I dropped dead.

00:35:45.440 Really?

00:35:45.960 I love it.

00:35:46.420 Yeah.

00:35:46.600 A hundred percent.

00:35:46.960 You'll be like 80 years old at ringside.

00:35:48.620 Hopefully.

00:35:49.680 Hopefully you look at, I hate him. 1.00

00:35:51.920 Um, he's an asshole, but, uh, Bob Arum. 1.00

00:35:55.300 Yeah. 1.00

00:35:55.640 Boxing promoter.

00:35:56.460 Yeah.

00:35:56.660 He's 94 years old.

00:35:57.960 Right. 0.94

00:35:59.120 I hate him. 1.00

00:36:00.080 This guy's the biggest douchebag of all time, but I'm, I'm at. 1.00

00:36:04.080 You're not for him. 0.99

00:36:05.200 You're saying? 1.00

00:36:05.340 Oh, he's a douchebag. 0.99

00:36:06.940 Uh, so I am at the Aces WNBA game. 0.99

00:36:10.760 Yeah.

00:36:10.960 Right.

00:36:12.780 Bob Arum is 94 years old.

00:36:16.200 94.

00:36:17.720 It's at nine o'clock at night.

00:36:18.980 He's sitting over there on courtside. 0.99

00:36:20.920 I'm like, Holy shit. 0.99

00:36:23.740 Bob Arum is here. 0.99

00:36:24.860 This is crazy.

00:36:25.540 This guy's 94 years old.

00:36:26.800 No, I didn't.

00:36:27.880 He wouldn't have seen it anyway, but he's sitting over there.

00:36:30.880 It's eight 30. 0.99

00:36:32.160 I, I shit you not. 0.99

00:36:33.780 Two days later, I'm watching a fight. 0.99

00:36:37.020 Bob Arum is in Saudi Arabia ringside at a boxing event.

00:36:41.940 Two days later, he's in London at a press conference.

00:36:45.380 He's 94 years old.

00:36:47.220 I hate him, but you got to respect it.

00:36:49.460 Right.

00:36:51.420 You said, I, I would have, but then you said he was at a WNBA game.

00:36:56.060 Yeah.

00:36:56.660 And that kind of wrecked.

00:36:58.340 Were you, were you watching that on TV?

00:37:00.440 Cause you weren't.

00:37:01.080 No, I got, I got courtside seats at the Las Vegas Aces.

00:37:05.140 Absolutely.

00:37:05.680 Kelsey Plum is one of my good friends.

00:37:07.660 And I go there and I support her as much as possible.

00:37:10.160 Not at all.

00:37:11.080 No way.

00:37:11.980 Love it.

00:37:12.780 Love it.

00:37:13.400 I'm an NBA fan.

00:37:15.140 I'm an NBA fan.

00:37:15.840 It was WNBA. 1.00

00:37:16.520 Yeah.

00:37:17.580 I'm in.

00:37:18.600 I'm in.

00:37:20.120 I'm in.

00:37:21.300 Dana White.

00:37:21.900 Thank you.

00:37:22.560 Pleasure.

00:37:22.980 Thanks for having me.

00:37:23.440 It's great to see you, man.

00:37:23.980 You too.

The Tucker Carlson Show - February 03, 2025

Dana White： Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump

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