The Tucker Carlson Show - Danica Patrick： Life After Racing, Conspiracy Theories and the Search for Truth

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00:00:26.300 at tucker carlson.com here's the episode danica patrick is probably the most famous woman in 0.76

00:00:33.440 american professional car racing in fact she may be the only woman really ever in american

00:00:38.680 professional car racing and she's also and this is not known to her many fans perhaps but a great

00:00:44.980 and charming and interesting and smart person and so we're grateful that she joins us now in studio

00:00:49.220 danica patrick thank you thank you for coming on why would you why would you sully your storied

00:00:55.040 career by coming here are you kidding me like this is of the utmost importance because i'm curious

00:01:03.240 about politics for the first time in my life i don't even know if we're going to talk about that

00:01:07.480 today but well i mean i'm just interested because like every professional athlete i've ever met from

00:01:13.000 a very young age you're you're in this silo you're totally focused on what you do you did a very

00:01:17.920 unconventional thing you were not the beneficiary of you know there is no affirmative action in car

00:01:23.220 racing it's just like who's fastest and so to get there obviously every waking moment i assume is

00:01:28.480 focused on that right and it's like such an yes and the the mindset is such a narrow focus

00:01:35.980 yes so you and i only observe it i can only notice it now based on the contrast where i can take in so

00:01:43.000 much more i can receive so much more i didn't even remember everybody's name that i'd meet on the

00:01:47.440 weekends and you were just in this regimented routine and this very very narrow focus of being

00:01:53.160 able to go out there and drive a couple hundred miles an hour and put your life on the line for

00:01:57.920 you know years and years and years and years so it was people ask me all the time are you done racing

00:02:03.620 and i'm like for sure i'm done racing and i said but if i had to do it i know i could but it would take

00:02:09.000 so long to to narrow back up again so that i could be in that in that focus to do it so what's the

00:02:16.480 regimen like for keeping that focus no they're just less distractions there's just almost not time for

00:02:23.080 it um but you do your sponsor appearances you do team meetings you go work out but like you pretty

00:02:30.540 much don't do other activities you're not distracted and interested in getting your cup filled with a lot

00:02:36.700 of other things you're just racing all the time so do but how do you keep the distractions the world

00:02:43.300 away from you they never come in in the first place they never come in in the first place which

00:02:48.540 is where i live because you're so insulated so you're so insulated you're just the schedule is

00:02:52.540 the schedule and you're always at the mercy of if a sponsor needs you um if you need to go testing

00:02:57.680 and so then when i was done now i realize how many other things i do people ask me what i do now i'm

00:03:03.580 like wow well and i list a whole bunch of things and i'm like and i also take a lot of vacations

00:03:08.080 now and so there's just so many other interests i have that um it it sort of is yeah it just spreads

00:03:15.140 you out a lot more did you feel like you were coming out of an enclosed space when you when you

00:03:18.880 left um like you had missed things no no no i mean i i didn't feel like i was enclosed but i felt like

00:03:26.640 the fact that i could make my own schedule was just brand new to me yeah the fact that i could plan a

00:03:31.960 vacation was brand new to me or like somebody be like oh we're getting married this weekend i'm

00:03:36.080 like i might be able to make it yes i know the feeling yeah exactly it's a good feeling it is to

00:03:42.420 have some freedom to you know be the controller of your destiny and also plan the fun when you want

00:03:47.420 to plan it i also noticed one thing too and i i don't know if this is something you've felt too but

00:03:52.340 uh i used to not be able to down regulate very easily and relax and and even just going on vacation

00:03:58.860 was never really enough it would be you'd have that feeling the first few days of if it wasn't

00:04:03.380 longer than five days long by the day two or three you thought already i'm leaving and you never

00:04:08.100 relaxed where now i i can go have a half a day and relax in my half a day but back in the day it i

00:04:15.320 couldn't relax for a week so what did you do i mean how did you relax because i mean you have to

00:04:21.640 unwind at some point you go insane um not much i don't think very much you know i'd always stay

00:04:28.000 very upregulated like get up work out do these things yeah which is probably why it took me like

00:04:34.700 a few years to heal my adrenals and i believe heal my you know get into parasympathetic and

00:04:41.640 what's the world like that you live in what are the people like

00:04:45.280 kind of cutthroat and i think that's one of the things that i was ready to be done with is that

00:04:52.840 i just felt like like the people it was all it wasn't also either that it wasn't that happy

00:04:58.480 like everybody was grinding everybody was just like grinding it was like week in week out and

00:05:04.520 almost like a race yeah yeah exactly and it was just all like such a grind and um and you know people

00:05:10.540 were okay there was some nice people but in general it was like um stressful uh you know

00:05:15.860 competitive politicking i mean there was of course politicking and racing and um so it was yeah it

00:05:22.220 just wasn't like just wasn't as fun anymore at the end or i noticed it wasn't so there's not

00:05:27.200 like a bar where all the all the drivers go to hang out well in nascar there was a lot more of those

00:05:33.760 bars to hang out and i mean that figuratively speaking like there was just some guys that were

00:05:38.060 more fun and relax more but indycar was much more serious um there'd be drivers that would talk about

00:05:44.420 like i don't drink during the season and i was like bummer sorry for you um but yeah they they

00:05:51.920 were much more serious why like what are the physical demands of it i noticed people seem to

00:05:56.300 be in really good shape yeah uh indycar was really physical the cars didn't have power steering so

00:06:01.880 um they were much much more physical and they also had more downforce based on the fact that they

00:06:07.120 have wings so that that pushes the car down into the ground so um stock cars were hot so inside of

00:06:14.080 the car it would be 130 140 maybe um and so you'd lose a lot of you'd sweat a lot in those cars so

00:06:22.580 just staying hydrated was really the main feat in nascar um there was some slightly more physical

00:06:28.360 races but they had power steering so it was actually much easier to drive a stock car but i didn't let

00:06:33.360 anyone know that because they thought wow how do you drive those big cars i'm like you know just

00:06:37.580 strong wow so you have to be in decent yeah and there's also something called like race shape where

00:06:44.840 you just are so you're in the car so often that um the muscles that you need are all really conditioned

00:06:51.980 well so your your steering muscles are out yeah steering neck back shoulders huh yeah your shins

00:07:01.500 i was in the gym the other day and they're like you have really nice whatever and i don't know what

00:07:06.140 the shin muscles called and i'm like well you know it's probably a whole bunch of that in my life

00:07:10.220 accelerating yeah how's your driving now crazy like is that true yeah 100 yeah like not every race car

00:07:17.380 driver is crazy when they drive on the road but i am for sure really do you ever get tickets sure

00:07:22.300 actually i just got a text today somebody's like there's something in the mail did you get a ticket

00:07:25.940 and i said i am sure i got a ticket somewhere along the way do they and they actually write them well

00:07:31.060 this one was a photo i believe but um but that yeah they will write them i haven't been physically

00:07:35.180 pulled over by a cop in a while but they will pretty much always give i think it's the robots are

00:07:39.480 policing us now is that yeah yeah pretty soon it's going to be by air it's 100 right like they're not

00:07:44.740 going to need to mount it to a bridge and take a photo no it's our drone masters yeah exactly maybe

00:07:48.940 they're just going to be tracking us at all times i don't think there's any question about it i mean

00:07:52.180 that doesn't that sound so exciting i gotta ask you one last car question what do you drive

00:07:56.900 uh i have a lamborghini urus so it's an suv but it definitely drives like a car and i had a i had a

00:08:05.140 range rover for a long time and i don't know what i was thinking because the lambo is way way more fun

00:08:11.060 how fast is it i mean it'll go 200 for sure but i definitely get it to 100 every day i drive it

00:08:18.620 for real to like the gym the yoga studio exactly yep yep the airport since that's where i go all

00:08:25.240 the time like these days what do your neighbors think um oh i'm super respectful in the neighborhood

00:08:29.640 though so there's um there's sport mode there's actually a couple levels of sport mode in the car

00:08:35.020 and when you have it in normal like standard mode it gives you a whole bunch of alarms it'll give you

00:08:41.120 like lane departure alarms closing rate alarms all these things and i can't turn them off for

00:08:47.480 permanently the only way i can turn them off is by changing it to a different more mode so i drive

00:08:52.480 it in sport mode which means it doesn't shift until like 5 000 rpm so it's just full sewing so it's like

00:08:59.120 what so when i pull into the neighborhood i put it back in normal mode so that i don't drive at 5 000

00:09:04.920 rpm around but the car's demanding it is what you're saying yeah the car wants it it's asking for rpm

00:09:10.040 so what did you notice about the world when you were able to let it in um

00:09:19.020 that it didn't matter that i had bad weekends like i used to think every single weekend

00:09:25.940 in the car because that was my life like every practice session every qualifying every race

00:09:31.700 it all mattered so much and i thought everyone was watching how and it only mattered if it was poor

00:09:37.780 how poorly i performed at times and um when i got done i was like oh it just didn't really matter

00:09:43.740 it just really didn't matter that much hit the high points have good days but you didn't need to

00:09:49.520 stress so much about every day and every session being so good and then what did i learn about the

00:09:54.940 world outside of my own internal relationship with uh with with what i did is just that um

00:10:01.620 that there's that that i didn't have any hobbies and i needed to find some

00:10:06.120 really so what did you take up uh skiing and golf wow are you good yeah um oh no oh no but i um

00:10:16.220 i uh i'm i'm getting better and in fact i was just an aspen and and bobby rfk just gave me some

00:10:22.680 lessons on the way down so i picked up my speed tremendously due to his his lessons how do you

00:10:28.860 run to bobby kennedy at aspen well let's see aubry marcus was doing something with them and his wife

00:10:37.060 violana was someone i was just in egypt with and so she was like hey i heard you're coming to aspen i

00:10:42.140 don't know if that's true or not but bobby's doing an event if you want to go here's the contact

00:10:46.980 so you can set things up and there you go and i'm having lunch with him and cheryl and what did

00:10:52.960 you think of him i thought he was i think he's a super super nice guy i think he has a lot of heart

00:10:58.120 um i think he's very relatable i mean even when we were hanging out skiing having lunch he was

00:11:03.280 just in the just in the normal ski lodge just yeah having a burger and french fries and people

00:11:09.680 just come up to him he takes a picture with everybody um he's super nice and i just really

00:11:14.360 think that he's like he just has a lot of heart um so i i like him a lot so when did you start

00:11:20.480 thinking about politics about five minutes ago uh i i what have you concluded it's so new to me and

00:11:27.620 i'm i think i think we're at a really interesting point in time in this next year with this next

00:11:32.320 election can i ask did you not ever talk about it when you were racing oh oh do you want to hear

00:11:36.300 an athlete talk about politics or religion yeah kind of i don't know it depends on the i suppose i

00:11:42.560 mean you probably would appreciate the politics more for sure being that's your world and what

00:11:46.940 you've but are people they don't talk about it no no no you're not really and well i mean where i

00:11:53.100 came from nascar i mean i don't know if there's anybody really very liberal or a democrat in the

00:11:59.720 in the whole garage yeah i bet that's right it's very republican very conservative yes um and and and

00:12:07.460 it didn't make me like that that's kind of the way i am anyway um but i feel like i've lived my

00:12:11.960 lifestyle and a much more i don't know casual way where i kind of think people should be able to get

00:12:17.920 married if they want to get married if they don't want to have a baby they you know i mean i believe

00:12:21.480 that people should be able to choose their life path yes and um so those are kind of more liberal

00:12:26.900 thoughts but i also think the country should be kind of run a little bit more like a business and

00:12:31.140 you know if we're all handing our money over like let's make this do good things with the

00:12:35.080 country so i suppose i have more conservative approaches to you know how things should be run

00:12:39.920 um so but i've never really gotten interested because i didn't have time space energy it didn't

00:12:45.680 feel like it mattered to me um and but now we're at this i'm at this point where it's kind of coming

00:12:51.680 at me i mean i'm sitting here with you yeah i'm so baffled yeah so how is it coming at you what do you

00:12:58.400 mean um i don't know just opportunities are presenting themselves and my interest has really

00:13:03.560 peaked maybe in the last like six months or so um and so maybe it's maybe it's my own sort of

00:13:09.380 magneticism to it because i'm generating some of my own personal interest um i didn't have to go to

00:13:15.380 am fest where we met for the first time finally i didn't have to go to that but i was like oh let's

00:13:19.420 go check it out and uh growing up my dad's pretty pretty into all this stuff and i would actually be

00:13:25.620 like dad some point in time you got to turn off fox news you know you just some point in time you got

00:13:29.380 to turn it off did it ever happen he actually did he did because he just kept getting so jaded and

00:13:35.080 angry all the time and um so he's like i promise this is just the local unbiased news this is just

00:13:41.400 um you know just local indianapolis news so uh so there's like a background of of of my family being

00:13:48.280 interested and i was probably the last one to the party oh really oh so they're they're sort of

00:13:54.240 aware yeah yeah for sure yeah yeah yeah more more conservative than me interesting yeah but you

00:14:01.620 felt something inside you change yeah and i think it's a really good time to be care to care i've

00:14:07.360 never even voted good for you i'm not registered i've never voted i'm and my argument against it was

00:14:14.960 that i'm not going to complain about it if i complain i have to do my part but if i don't and i

00:14:21.120 never did i was like you know i have my choices and preferences but hey you know what's happening

00:14:26.900 is what's happening and i you know it's just interesting that that changed i mean by the way

00:14:30.640 i'm not criticizing yeah that approach why why do you think i mean what's the best reason like what

00:14:36.100 about it is curious because the world that we grew up in is disappearing really fast and if you liked it

00:14:42.640 you know it's worth preserving and so people who didn't want to be involved not inherently interested in

00:14:50.280 it are like wait a second i i liked that country and what is this this is like crazy this is out of

00:14:56.360 control you have to say something right i think that's pretty much where it got to is like it's

00:15:01.120 one thing for people to be able to live how they want to live and operate it's another thing when the

00:15:05.140 what they're doing is now finally affecting you that's way up in your face so the things that for me

00:15:09.720 it's like you can't say what you want to say anymore you get in trouble for having an opinion i got in

00:15:15.000 trouble for going to amfest and saying that i love this country people were like i hate you you're 0.84

00:15:19.060 awful unfollow and i'm like how did we get to this point where you can't say i love this country

00:15:25.140 yes um where i feel like you know you see chemtrails all over the sky and like they're poisoning our air

00:15:31.440 they poison our food and i'm like this is really affecting me now yes what are so what are chemtrails

00:15:37.560 well it's a little bit more conspiracy like but i don't know but where most of those would turn out

00:15:42.140 to be true exactly um where they just spray different metals into the air it controls geo

00:15:48.240 engineering controls the weather every time i see them i feel like well it's sure to be a cloudy day

00:15:53.200 tomorrow you know where you see the big grid mark in the sky where it's just all lines that don't

00:15:58.960 dissipate because you know it's not vapor i don't think people look at the sky anymore because they

00:16:03.960 have iphones so maybe they don't notice do you know what i mean no i don't i think stargazing is

00:16:10.100 is extinct um but how did you learn about that i conspiracies for sure just like getting interested

00:16:18.320 yeah yeah like noticing the things around you and wondering what they are yeah yeah i was very

00:16:23.440 spiritual and then i dated someone that was a little bit more conspiracy based yes we just got

00:16:28.800 on the hot seat for calling jimmy kimmel out yes i noticed that so i got more into conspiracy

00:16:35.320 aaron rogers yeah yeah

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00:18:14.340 so aaron rogers i'm just interested in that i don't know anything about it and i'm not alleging

00:18:20.820 anything but aaron rogers goes on a podcast the other day and says i bet you jimmy kimmel's on the 0.96

00:18:26.180 list and jimmy kimmel immediately responds you know hey asshole you're wrong i'm gonna sue you for 0.99

00:18:31.980 saying that yeah um but he and i don't know the truth but he said it with some kind of certainty 0.98

00:18:38.480 like there was some anger yeah jimmy seemed like and it was only a tweet or a yeah it was only words

00:18:44.200 obviously not out of his mouth but there definitely seemed like there was some anger there so so aaron

00:18:50.700 but aaron rogers seemed to know kind of know what he was talking about i mean i don't know he's always

00:18:54.540 been interested in conspiracy conspiracies i don't know the truth either does anyone know the truth i mean

00:18:58.640 that's what we're trying to figure out i certainly don't and that's you know when we were at amfest

00:19:02.340 that was your whole foundation is like tell the truth yes and and that is really all i care about

00:19:07.880 in my own personal life before i was ever in politics or ever interested into politics um was

00:19:12.960 just like i just want to know the truth i want to know the truth about myself i want to know the

00:19:16.480 truth about someone else about what's really going on that is one of the foundational most important

00:19:21.740 things to me is knowing the truth you said you were spiritual yeah yeah much more spiritual what

00:19:26.780 does that mean um just that uh i don't just think there's like a guy sitting on throne in the sky

00:19:33.940 kind of thing and i don't look at all the words and the bible or anything and think it's sort of

00:19:38.820 verbatim the way it's written i i you know i mean i even remember like a long long time ago um

00:19:46.520 being curious why lent you'd skip meat on fridays during lent i was like but why

00:19:51.900 and so then i what i feel like i found out and i could be wrong but um but is that it was a luxury

00:19:57.760 back in those days so you abstain from a luxury right as a sacrifice i'm like well that makes

00:20:01.880 sense i'll pick something that's a luxury but like knowing the truth about why we're doing that is

00:20:07.080 what what these are the things that the questions that i ask so i guess i'm a skeptical person you

00:20:11.800 should be yeah but you think there is truth uh-huh yeah i mean i get a little bit into the more

00:20:18.380 esoteric side of truth and i wonder about um the nature of objective truth i think there could be

00:20:23.100 like obviously a um a collective agreed upon truth based on our reality that we live in but do we

00:20:28.580 really even know what our reality is and are we just are we our own little mini universes experiencing

00:20:35.820 things through our own lens if that's the case then i wonder how true objective truths really are

00:20:41.360 because we all have our own based on our lens does it seem like recently there have been cracks in that

00:20:47.060 reality that yeah doesn't it make you wonder doesn't it if it's not a bit of a movie set

00:20:52.420 doesn't it i mean i i really it seems like so far-fetched to imagine that there is some

00:21:03.160 massive like some singular puppet orchestrating everything on the planet and within the in a

00:21:10.380 nefarious way because it seems like we'd figure it out like how do we not figure it out how could that

00:21:15.780 be hidden how could that stay hidden um but as time goes on and we keep learning more things um

00:21:23.060 it's just a lot of a lot of a lot of scary things that go on in the world and that we don't know

00:21:28.680 about does this does that make you curious too like who's really like the basis of my whole life

00:21:34.860 exactly yeah but you've been onto it for way longer well i don't understand any of it of course

00:21:39.920 i don't understand any of it i just all my only gift is the ability to notice obvious things and

00:21:45.880 perceive lying i'm good at that i'm not good at dot connecting like i don't know what it means but i

00:21:50.500 know when you're lying that is you just realize that you're probably just kind of like intuitive

00:21:54.040 and psychic then no i'm not no no i think it's very i look i think your instincts are the guide

00:21:59.160 in life yeah but what is that what i well i think it's divinely inspired that's my yeah 100% same

00:22:05.400 and i think that your instincts are the one thing that don't lie to you they're not trying to sell

00:22:09.900 you anything right get you to vote for them they act only on your behalf and they tell the truth and

00:22:14.640 the question is can you interpret them correctly i get strong feelings from people or from situations

00:22:19.060 i don't always know what those feelings amount to but i know there's something there but the most

00:22:23.700 obvious one is deception like i don't know what you're lying about i don't know why you're doing it but i

00:22:28.380 know what's happening for sure and i think we all have that it's i have no unique gift i just am

00:22:33.460 dumb enough to sort of follow my instincts i'm like i don't brave enough january yeah i don't know

00:22:37.580 or like demented enough but january 6th like i'm not exactly sure what happened the story they told 0.79

00:22:41.540 this is not true that's a fact do you know what i mean exactly i've always found that when things

00:22:46.860 don't make sense we're just missing some of the truth and you're like wait but this and that

00:22:51.120 you're just missing some of the truth and the purpose then you got to go figure it out so i'd be

00:22:56.060 interested to know like do you take the ufo story seriously and what do you make of it well there's

00:23:00.740 way too many of them for it to not be true right yes i think that's just way too many stories um and

00:23:07.760 i just think that it's insanely uh arrogant of us to think that we're the only game in town

00:23:13.140 we're aliens too to somebody else yes we're looking for him but we're also looking for us

00:23:19.020 and we have this very narrow window of of chemicals in our sky and the way and what we

00:23:27.120 what we breathe and how we live like what if it's something different somewhere else and they

00:23:31.940 adapted and evolved in a different way and we don't they're not like us we're looking for us and i know

00:23:38.060 we're made up of the most common ingredients in the universe but very little slight changes and it

00:23:44.180 changes our entire reality here like we won't we wouldn't be here so it's not shocking to you at

00:23:50.520 all that there that there's something else no no exactly i i think i think what's confusing now when

00:23:57.540 it comes to the ufo stuff is how um what whether or not we're seeing ufos or we're seeing a reverse

00:24:03.820 engineering of our own doing trying to figure things out what does that mean a reverse engineering

00:24:09.120 from crash landings and different technology that they've discovered over the years like area 51

00:24:15.740 yes why is the it's humongous yes gigantic area um you can't get anywhere close why do they have that

00:24:24.980 it doesn't make sense right for your safety for from the aliens no just i mean i was so ready to

00:24:32.220 storm area 51 back in the day really years ago i mean i wouldn't have done it but i live in arizona so

00:24:37.700 i'm like it's but just remember that power in numbers whenever they lie to you or hide the truth

00:24:44.420 from you it's for your safety so you it's totally okay thank you does it feel like um the level of

00:24:52.180 secrecy and deception is rising i don't know about that i would i would say maybe the level of secrecy

00:25:02.420 and deception is just being exposed yes that feels more true it's declining i think that i think that

00:25:07.740 the veil is thinning between you know the the the who is controlling that and and and and how they're

00:25:17.680 staying how they're keeping it under wraps so does it worry you that maybe we're all getting better at

00:25:24.760 being psychic and sensitive no i think that's right i mean no i think that i mean do you find in your own

00:25:29.040 life and i think you probably well you told me maybe i shouldn't say this on air but you spent

00:25:33.560 last summer in indiana and europe which seems like such a great combination because you kind of see

00:25:39.360 all sides or a number of sides of the human experience you're not only in aspen that's right

00:25:44.880 that's right not only you can't stay in aspen that long it's too expensive no you it's too expensive and

00:25:48.640 it's totally distorting of your yeah of your world yeah when you walk by gucci and valentino on your

00:25:54.100 way to the lift you know you're like yeah it's not good to spend all your time in aspen right but do

00:25:59.340 you but you do spend time around you know well-educated secular rich people yeah do you find

00:26:05.060 more people sort of mentioning god or the possibility of god or spiritual things than you used to

00:26:11.440 i think i've experienced people being more open to spirituality and i think that it's all the

00:26:21.220 same i actually think it's kind of more semantics i think it's just the way that you feel comfortable

00:26:27.380 speaking about it but i don't think that when you say god or when i say source or i'd say god i pray to

00:26:36.020 god every night um i don't think that we're all talking about so much the same thing because we don't

00:26:40.140 even know what that exact thing is right we're just using what we've grown up using as as language

00:26:46.980 um what feels comfortable to us what's familiar um but i i generally think that that that it's all

00:26:53.980 the same so i do hear about it more so i guess i hear about it so phrased another way the country

00:26:59.340 that i grew up in probably similar to the one you grew up in was a materialist country where the

00:27:03.040 assumption was everything real can be perceived by the five senses and measured and tallied and that's

00:27:09.580 reality and everything outside of that is a conspiracy theory and a sign of mental illness

00:27:14.300 there is nothing that a scientist can't reduce to an atom in a lab and i just feel like that view

00:27:22.360 is going away it is well with the with the quantum reality with quantum physics and uh you know spooky

00:27:29.400 things happening at a distance as it was described it's you know quantum entanglement is something that

00:27:34.180 i can't quite wrap my head around but i don't even know what that is i've never heard of it

00:27:37.080 to uh when when an atom has when electrons have met they when they part in the universe they have

00:27:44.720 equal and opposite reaction no matter how far apart they are so they're entangled um and they

00:27:50.300 have instantaneous reactions no matter how far apart they are um so it really helps starts to make you

00:27:57.100 wonder like how this reality folds on top of itself to be entangled it's the same thing when you're like

00:28:03.300 thinking about somebody and then they call you or you maybe it maybe you think you want to draw

00:28:10.040 something into your life and you think about it and you kind of like oh you forget and then all of a sudden

00:28:14.400 boom there it is it's like in other words there are connections between people or things that cannot

00:28:20.120 be measured using the conventional measurements of science correct correct and that is such a

00:28:27.600 consistent feature of the human experience like everyone knows what you're talking about 0.97

00:28:30.500 so the idea that you could have a society that denied that yeah is like by definition a foolish

00:28:35.920 society isn't it yeah yeah and i think you're right about people getting more sensitive to just the lies

00:28:42.020 and the things going on i think that we are living in a world where we don't know what to trust anymore

00:28:46.540 we used to think we have all you could watch a documentary and you were like oh my god that's true

00:28:51.160 now you got to look at who paid for it yes you know you the news as you well know like what's true what's

00:28:57.240 not you got in trouble for telling the truth you know it's it's it you don't know where you what you

00:29:02.360 can trust and i think we're like entering this age where we have to learn how to trust our intuition

00:29:07.140 and we have to we have to have critical thinking for ourselves we can't just be told we're not

00:29:12.100 we need to stop with this read and repeat lifestyle and we have to have critical thinking

00:29:16.920 so why but at the same time and of course i vehemently agree with you but the people in

00:29:23.200 charge the u.s government even is more demanding that people just read the script why do you think

00:29:28.080 that is because then they're in power yeah i mean it's just it's much easier if you control the

00:29:33.640 narrative for everything um it's like school books like i question school and the the efficacy of

00:29:41.160 what's in the school books like the the winners write the write the stories and also the propaganda

00:29:47.600 of you know the whole operation of it i i don't know i i question school even i don't think you're

00:29:55.080 allowed to do that yeah i know but i'm not smart sometimes i just say when did you leave school

00:30:01.040 16 i was 16 and i moved to england when i was 16 it's a race so you never graduated american high

00:30:07.660 school i got my ged does that feel looking back like an advantage or disadvantage oh huge advantage

00:30:14.340 like like goodbye debt like you don't for either me or my parents my parents were would have been

00:30:20.660 able to afford it they put my sister through seven years of school um so it was i would have had that

00:30:26.200 luxury in my life but um but i i'm not sure yeah i'm not sure unless you're gonna be a doctor or a

00:30:34.220 lawyer the hardest question answers what you want to do with your life right that's actually the

00:30:39.160 hardest question yes it is and once you know you can get on with it and having your own having

00:30:44.840 experience and getting your hands dirty in it like there's nothing better than that there's nothing

00:30:51.020 better than the real experience then instead of going to school and flipping pages and partying on

00:30:55.920 the weeks weekends weekdays your weekdays yeah and getting completely lost getting lost so you never

00:31:02.160 went through that i never went through that yeah i mean i described going to england when i was 16

00:31:06.620 as like my college but it and and i sure partied and had fun but um but i didn't go to school like

00:31:13.140 classically wow and you see that as a huge advantage i agree with i definitely don't see it as a

00:31:19.620 disadvantage i definitely don't and you know while i i mean i will say there's some things and maybe

00:31:25.520 this is where politics scares me a little there's some general things about life and history that i'm not

00:31:31.140 very good about like not knowing when wars happened and all these like details that i just

00:31:36.700 didn't learn nor was i that interested in but i wasn't in school to absorb all of it and um so there's

00:31:43.160 some some things like that that i don't know um off the top of my head but uh but i got other life

00:31:48.920 experiences and i applied myself in all the other areas that i was really interested in and i think

00:31:52.980 that's the spark of life right to do things that you really love and to to follow things and learn

00:31:59.000 with what you want to learn about and you know i feel like one of the things that i have um

00:32:05.340 thankfully learned in my life after racing was that uh the things that are meant for you will give you

00:32:11.880 energy no matter how much how many hours it takes so as an example i would go to the racetrack and i'd

00:32:18.620 have to do an autograph session for an hour at a anywhere you could imagine and it would be the

00:32:25.020 most draining thing for me like just so like hi how are you great thanks i have a nice day oh

00:32:30.620 hello how are you kid you know like and you just for an hour it's just hello goodbye hello goodbye and

00:32:35.420 it's small talk and it's less than small talk and then i remember one day in particular i think i might

00:32:41.380 have done two or three podcasts and they're each like an hour hour and a half long and in a day and

00:32:47.060 i got done and you'd think i'd be so exhausted because it's far harder to be the interviewer than the

00:32:51.420 interviewee even though i'm doing the talking because you're thinking and so i spent all day

00:32:56.180 like critically thinking and paying attention and where do i want to take this interview

00:32:59.420 and but i got done with my day and i felt like i was high i was so energized that i was like i needed

00:33:06.520 to do something with the energy and i walked on the beach and i was like oh my god i'm just like

00:33:10.160 this is the most amazing day but i spent six or seven hours like in the chair being really focused

00:33:16.900 but the but what i learned was that when you're doing things that are really meant for you and

00:33:21.880 that feed your soul it gives you energy that is the feel that that is the truest thing so how did

00:33:28.080 you and the key as you said is to figure out as young as you possibly can what the path is that

00:33:33.240 you're designed for yeah not that you're forcing yourself into but that you're actually made to do

00:33:38.500 how did you figure that out so young well i mean i got to try a lot of things um but you know i

00:33:46.480 will say that while you know racing is what i did and and i loved it it wasn't always my passion

00:33:51.920 like i don't go back to it now i mean i do some race broadcasting and things like that and you know

00:33:57.920 i'll watch some races but i don't go to the weekend i don't go to the racetrack on the weekends i don't

00:34:02.580 go try and find a car to jump in to drive um i mean i have my lamborghini i'll just drive that

00:34:07.600 yeah your 200 mile an hour suv exactly but i um but i have other interests and other passions so

00:34:14.680 for me i i feel like now i'm finally getting to tap into those things where

00:34:18.600 like i'm really really passionate about and one of them's truth which is where i feel like i really

00:34:23.520 relate to you on that so how alienating is that to people around you that i well it's upsetting to

00:34:30.160 people when you say things like a lot of what we've learned is not true and history is effectively

00:34:37.300 propaganda it's a version of the story but it's not the whole story things like that which i think

00:34:42.140 ourself evidently true but that that is not well received sometimes well i think you have to know

00:34:48.100 your audience a little bit right know your audience here and there um know your moments to yeah to hit

00:34:54.580 it um but i have a lot of like-minded people around me but i'm totally fine if they're not i love

00:35:01.660 learning and if i change my mind it means i learned something so i also like spending time with people

00:35:07.340 and listening to people talk about something that's a totally different perspective um but i'd say in

00:35:12.980 general most of the people around me are are of of a like mind they're also skeptical have you been

00:35:19.940 attacked you said you were attacked online yeah well i was super surprised by how it went when i went to

00:35:26.160 the turning point event and when i talked about loving my country and posting these pictures and

00:35:30.700 and i went with my sister and it was just a fun fun few days and um and i was just i was just really

00:35:37.860 surprised that people could be so angry about and i didn't even make a stance they i think everybody

00:35:43.520 thinks it's basically a trump rally right what is it about trump that um i mean i i understand what

00:35:50.520 it is about trump that people don't like yeah obviously uh i get it i i know trump and i like trump

00:35:56.360 he's hilarious and interesting but i certainly understand why people don't like him for sure

00:36:01.980 it's very obvious but what i don't understand is the hysteria and the brain shutting down and doing

00:36:07.780 the opposite just for the sake of giving the finger to trump i don't get that so triggered what is that

00:36:12.540 i just people are very triggered but why what is it well foundational i think foundation there are

00:36:17.300 foundational things to our life politics religion these are foundational to our reality and and what

00:36:23.040 we've built our life on and when you pull some one of those out from the foundation this is my opinion

00:36:30.160 but i think that what happens is there is an implied subconscious understanding that when you pull out

00:36:36.500 one of those building blocks that it'll the that it's going to be a snowball effect for the rest of your

00:36:41.800 life like if you pull out one of those foundational elements what else isn't true it's true what else

00:36:47.200 about your life isn't going to work anymore and that is a that is a whole that is a global life

00:36:53.180 change to pull something foundational out i didn't expect you to be the smartest professional athlete

00:36:58.000 i didn't i didn't sorry i didn't

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00:37:36.820 that's a very wise point and i saw this with the vax you know the people i knew who really thought

00:37:50.940 about it or had strong feelings about the vax especially the ones who didn't want to take it

00:37:54.140 wound up in places they never expected to be their views on a lot of other things changed i saw a lot of

00:38:01.120 people whose politics completely changed just on that one issue yeah very much did you notice that

00:38:06.540 yeah i mean it it was just a very divisive thing yeah it just got so insanely divisive and i think

00:38:14.500 also kind of made things more confusing in a way that you'd think these people do these things and

00:38:18.840 these people do those things it was like it went from being like the group that was my body my choice

00:38:25.640 were the ones that were like you got to do it and then so it got like it it really actually made

00:38:31.400 things made the um made the corruption or the propaganda or the manipulation that was going on

00:38:40.200 to become more obvious because things started to get very messy right do you feel like immediate

00:38:45.340 yeah you're like but this this doesn't make sense we're all of a sudden i was having conversations

00:38:50.260 with people who you know were lifelong liberals or a lot of black people who never voted republican

00:38:56.860 in their lives big obama supporters all of a sudden all of a sudden i just realized wait we have a lot

00:39:02.320 in common actually yeah you know and then on the other side people i'd been really close to and loved

00:39:07.760 and still love but they were absolutely on the other side of it yeah yeah it was it was interesting

00:39:12.720 it was a realignment that was not along party lines at all right exactly yeah at all exactly and i think

00:39:19.700 it really it really showed how persuasive um media propaganda and isolation can be

00:39:26.480 it can i mean one of the things that can drive like i think they've done back in the 50s and 60s

00:39:33.480 we're testing out things like a sensory deprivation when you are put in a space with no sound no no

00:39:40.580 visuals no nothing and and that can drive that will drive people insane so now you do it on some level

00:39:48.180 and you put people in a house they can't see anyone they can't do it and and and you're going to drive

00:39:53.000 them insane where did you spend covet oh i had a very interesting start to covet um i was in peru

00:40:02.600 yeah i think a lot of people started coping i was uh i was doing ayahuasca in peru for real yeah what was

00:40:11.760 that like which part doing ayahuasca in peru where in peru a sacred valley and like yeah in a lodge

00:40:23.100 was it worth doing of course because i love the truth yeah so it showed me a lot about the truth

00:40:28.780 about things that i needed to know how long did it last um well the experience lasts um i don't know

00:40:36.100 eight hours maybe did you go with someone you trust um i went with if i went with uh aaron and

00:40:43.000 another couple and then there were shamans wow and so we got woke up in the middle of the night to

00:40:49.340 the pilot saying you got to go home because they're closing the border by 10 a.m

00:40:54.040 were you still on ayahuasca when they did that no way so you're getting into a light plane with

00:41:00.260 aaron rogers on ayahuasca and being evacuated from the sacred valley with the shamans yeah would

00:41:05.820 that if you were to rank your life by weirdness that would have would that be that'd be near the

00:41:09.700 top right oh man i'm losing credibility here or gaining it i don't know it's just the truth you

00:41:15.980 know and um so then i was it was in malibu and then wait wait what was the plane ride like um

00:41:21.900 well we did what's called integration on the plane what does that mean uh where you talk about

00:41:26.880 your experience on the plane yeah not a huge plane i imagine i mean it's big enough for you know eight

00:41:33.260 or ten twelve people whatever it's a big enough plane and then yeah flew back flew back to malibu

00:41:39.740 spent it the first couple months in malibu and then indiana so what did you learn from ayahuasca

00:41:47.820 um uh well that i'm a very uh relationship kind of person like i love relationship and so

00:42:01.900 i have this idea that someone's going to sort of complete me and yes i realized that i was going

00:42:07.400 to have to do it with myself yes like it was that's the only way that no human being can fill that

00:42:12.920 yeah that's profound in true yeah yeah but it was felt so the differences is in those experiences

00:42:20.660 you feel it you don't just know it you feel it so you go from an awareness to an embodiment

00:42:26.760 right where embodied is like you just embodies when something happens and you say um and it just is

00:42:33.620 yes it just it's an isness you're like that's just it's just the truth that's the way it is

00:42:38.560 yes and um as opposed to well i think they're i think they're doing this they're lying to us that

00:42:44.320 right like when you feel the lie and you've experienced it you just it's just this is the

00:42:48.240 problem well it changes your behavior yeah yeah so it's the so you get a really felt experience yes

00:42:53.200 i've had that which is i think what makes it super powerful very yeah and those are the ones that

00:42:57.780 change your exactly yeah and i think there's a lot of judgment and curiosity around you know around

00:43:04.260 this stuff but um you know again i think this is one of those areas where the world is branching

00:43:10.440 out a little bit and and thinking outside of the box of um you know where we've been and the way we

00:43:17.240 do things and um and i think it's a really powerful tool did it change your relationships

00:43:23.000 uh i mean once you realize that you that no other human being can complete you as you said yeah

00:43:30.260 yeah i mean that's got implications for how you relate to other people right um yeah yeah i mean

00:43:36.800 i think that one of the big things that's happened that is sort of like a spin-off of it is just i just

00:43:41.680 take less things personally and i get a little less triggered and i understand that everybody is the way

00:43:47.100 they are because of how they're brought up their experiences and you know they're just they're seeing

00:43:52.780 life through their own lens and to not feel like if somebody gets angry or does something to me

00:43:57.280 that it's about me right you get a little out of that selfish position of like it's about me all

00:44:03.220 the time it's not always about me everybody has things that they're going through and ways that

00:44:08.440 they've been brought up and orientations and their own triggers and sometimes just nothing to do with

00:44:13.640 me there's a line that i can't exactly recall but it's to the effect if you knew what was happening

00:44:19.880 really happening with other people you would judge them less yeah exactly yeah so i feel like it gave me a

00:44:26.320 little bit more like um patience and like empathy um for situations and and also uh one of the most

00:44:35.760 important things is accountability so accountable for my own reality too like perception i believe is

00:44:42.140 reality so the way that again this the sort of lens we look through like if you can either look at

00:44:47.200 going bungee jumping as being the scariest thing on the planet or so exciting right so however you

00:44:54.420 your perception on things so if i'm looking at a situation and it doesn't feel right doesn't look

00:44:59.240 right it's like i just literally ask myself what is my part like what is my part in this perception

00:45:04.660 that i have is it because i'm scared is because i'm um i is it because i'm insecure is it because

00:45:11.360 what is the thing that's driving my behavior so it gave me a lot of accountability too was there any

00:45:17.380 downside yeah getting sick i mean during it you get pretty sick i mean you can one night i did one

00:45:23.720 night i didn't so wow oh you've had quite a journey yeah what are you going to do with the rest of your

00:45:30.480 life do you have a clear picture of it no i don't i i have ideas and dreams and i have companies and i

00:45:38.920 have things that i do and i have visions for all of them but um but my life changes in ways that i could

00:45:44.900 never expect every couple of years so i'm sure that will continue to be the case and i think that

00:45:49.820 and i'm curious what you think about this but i think part of that is because i choose to want to

00:45:53.820 know the truth yes and when you do that it implies that sometimes things change and you know whether

00:45:59.680 it's relationships or job or where you live or your friends sometimes things change and and to be

00:46:05.860 okay with that and that i'm still choose choose truth and i choose myself over that every time i haven't

00:46:12.340 heard you mentioned money or allude to it a single time or commercial enterprises or whatever so

00:46:16.540 clearly your main goal yeah is not to amass as much as you can no in fact i'd like to spend it

00:46:23.180 like i'd like to spend it yeah i don't want to die with a whole bunch of money and

00:46:28.360 why wouldn't i spend it i'd like to spend it what would you spend it on uh well right now i spend it on

00:46:35.920 travel um uh having good people around me like i like to pay the people around me i like them to be

00:46:42.320 happy um i spend it on building businesses because they're because i enjoy and have passion for what it

00:46:50.040 is that i'm selling um and um so i have wines i have a couple of wines that i make um i have a little

00:46:56.760 candle company um so those are kind of what i put my money into um why do you have a property company

00:47:03.260 i went to egypt and learned a lot about aromatherapy and uh and then decided to make

00:47:08.820 some candles out of it you enjoy it yeah yeah that's fun the wine is really great it's such a

00:47:12.860 passion of mine i love wine um and then i do speaking engagements and race broadcast hosting

00:47:19.340 stuff and i take a lot of vacations so um you know i've always felt like and this is from a young age

00:47:25.540 that if i do a good job at something the money will just show up like if people believe in it they

00:47:33.640 like it that the money will just be there and money's never been a motivating factor for me it

00:47:38.440 is merely a barometer that's how i see it so i want to make money because it means that people like what

00:47:45.060 i'm doing right and they like me but not because i want the money but because it's an indication

00:47:51.860 it's an indication of the value of what i'm offering or the um or what it or what it inspires

00:47:59.560 people so like with racing i'm sure i offered value for my sponsors but also the attention from

00:48:04.760 fans that was then used to sell things by sponsors was because i was inspiring them so and

00:48:11.600 they were paying attention to what i was doing and and wanted to see more um so i kind of see

00:48:16.260 money as being a byproduct of doing a good job so last question i'm sure you've thought about this

00:48:22.140 but if you so you've said that your main goal in life going forward is to tell the truth to find the

00:48:27.900 truth and then to say it out loud i feel like i have have i not yeah you have no and i'm i'm getting

00:48:32.620 a truthful vibe um but i'm like dang danica what did you just say i don't know that i don't think

00:48:38.360 any of it don't hit me too hard here no no not at all i i don't think any of it objectively is

00:48:43.060 offensive at all the truth is never offensive but it does offend because it's true right right

00:48:49.260 because it makes people uncomfortable because either because they would never do it like there's

00:48:53.060 a quick little hack that i learned a long time ago like what we what we judge is what we deny so

00:48:57.840 if you judge something and someone is probably because you deny yourself that like for me i always

00:49:02.060 use the example of laziness like i always judge lazy people because i would deny myself rest

00:49:06.020 every day and so you know it triggers people and it and usually they deny themselves the things that

00:49:12.580 they're judging smart but i mean it the truth is just inherently divisive i guess that's what i'm

00:49:18.580 saying yeah and you think it unites but it doesn't yeah it breaks in half and so uh which is sad but it's

00:49:25.220 the nature of the world of the spiritual world are you ready for that like there will be consequences

00:49:31.640 and i'm not even talking about politics i just mean the truth about anything um will cause people to

00:49:38.280 hate you yeah yeah yep i'm totally totally ready you're not bothered by that i i think i've spent 0.73

00:49:45.540 the guy had a good grooming session by being a girl race car driver for so long and people being 0.96

00:49:51.800 triggered by that and you know chauvinism or just people that weren't open-minded to it and didn't um

00:49:57.860 didn't like that idea and so i feel like i've been i feel like i've been practicing to be strong

00:50:03.800 like that my whole life and i you're you're so right when you tell the truth you just really don't

00:50:10.100 get bothered it just is what it is yes business right like it's just well it makes you strong

00:50:15.940 inside yeah exactly it makes you strong inside and what you said at amfest was just so powerful

00:50:23.780 powerful and a message that we all need to hear and we're not always all going to agree on things

00:50:29.380 um but uh but when you live in your own truth you can be less triggered you can be more calm and

00:50:35.620 peaceful you can be happier and you can be stronger and and more solid inside of yourself which is

00:50:41.280 i think just we all just want to figure out how to be happier right yes when we're choosing a

00:50:46.620 president it's so that we can live in a world that makes us happier right when we're choosing a

00:50:50.520 partner we're choosing someone that would hopefully make us happier so the happiest you can do thing

00:50:55.160 you can do is just to be honest right all the time yeah danica patrick thank you thank you tucker that

00:51:01.620 was not what i expected i appreciate it thanks for listening to tucker carlson show if you enjoyed it

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The Tucker Carlson Show - May 26, 2024

Danica Patrick： Life After Racing, Conspiracy Theories and the Search for Truth

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