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00:00:26.300 at tucker carlson.com here's the episode my memory is fading when were you here last well i like to

00:00:33.080 measure it in coups and assassination attempts so i was here one coup and one assassination attempt

00:00:39.340 so now it's the first week of second week of august and it feels like a different country

00:00:45.980 yeah isn't that something yeah what's happened between may and now

00:00:50.400 an assassination attempt in a coup yes that's for one olympics so basically the busiest period

00:00:58.300 in american history but we just sort of kind of forgot it all happened or something it is really

00:01:01.740 amazing it is really it's unbelievable and i think that like both me and you when when i interviewed

00:01:07.220 you on my podcast which i don't remember when that was but it was several months before i came out here

00:01:12.200 and we were both kind of talking about how you know trying to make predictions about the rest of 2024 is

00:01:18.600 difficult but the one thing you know is it's gonna be crazy like it's gonna be something really wild

00:01:24.000 you could just feel that and at this point you're like how do we even accelerate from here and i think

00:01:30.840 we're going to by the way i don't i think we've got several more crazy things to go before november

00:01:35.860 so to the extent you can predict them what do you foresee it's so hard right now i mean i really have a

00:01:41.580 tough time because this i did not see this coming i didn't see kamala harris uh being the person it

00:01:49.840 was always everyone who was speculating about no chance she's too dumb she's too unpopular we were

00:01:56.040 like who's it going to be gavin newsom or hillary clinton or michelle obama and everybody every even

00:02:01.280 in the corporate media in the moment when they admitted the emperor was naked yeah after that debate

00:02:07.260 even all of them were speculating emperor had no brain yeah right exactly um even all of them were

00:02:12.880 speculating about who it would be if joe biden dropped out and kamala harris was not the person

00:02:19.440 because she's so i mean awful at this and deeply unpopular yes and so now they've switched into a new

00:02:25.460 emperor's new clothes mode where there is this totally astroturfed fake you know kamala harris went

00:02:32.240 from being the most unpopular vice president ever to a cultural phenomenon the one thing this nation

00:02:37.960 needed yeah was more kamala harris it's just it's very bizarre to watch it you know i said this last

00:02:42.920 time we were here that i always i like to call them storms like when you're in the middle of a

00:02:47.640 massive propaganda storm that i always love the example and i mentioned this last time i don't know

00:02:52.500 why i just this example but when donald trump said he was going to pull out of syria which he

00:02:56.960 ultimately backed down on and didn't do yes but and for two weeks in the media it was the kurds

00:03:01.900 what about the kurds historic allies the kurds the kurds we never betrayed the kurds before and

00:03:07.220 we'll never do it again my grandfather said to me on his deathbed 1983 goes grandson don't betray the

00:03:12.780 kurds and then it's like ever since then no one's mentioned but do fight the houthis yeah right right

00:03:17.640 that's right it's so important but it's all but there's like these weird propaganda storms and then

00:03:22.700 they kind of subside and like now so saying right now if i were to say um you know a lot of people

00:03:28.920 who took the covid vaccine got vaccine injured there's no um there's no energy to that it's not

00:03:36.180 risking anything it's not like oh my god my channel's gonna get on for saying exactly a couple

00:03:39.560 years ago that was a really risky thing to say oh i lived it yeah because you know you were in that

00:03:44.700 storm you know so the storm right now is that kamala harris has this massive grassroots support

00:03:51.980 that's why when she ran for president in 2019 she had to drop out before iowa how many delegates did

00:03:58.820 she get that year i it's it'll take us the whole show to count them up uh but like come on i mean

00:04:04.240 look however you feel about people there's people i despise politically sure i i cannot stand bernie

00:04:10.040 sanders politically i hate socialism or whatever he is he's not exactly a socialist but whatever he is

00:04:15.220 i hate it um but he had real grassroots support for real real that's why they had to steal it from

00:04:19.920 yes exactly tens of millions of of americans oh yes bernie sanders donald trump however you feel

00:04:25.400 about him that's right real grassroots support barack obama however you feel about him absolutely

00:04:29.100 real grassroots support you know what they all have in common they didn't drop out before iowa

00:04:33.380 because nobody with real grassroots support doesn't make it to the first contest and kamala harris

00:04:39.800 it's not as if she was a bernie sanders or say like a ron paul or a dennis kucinich she had

00:04:45.900 major donors behind her she took much of the uh the clinton campaign staff i mean she was touted by

00:04:52.040 the corporate media as like the candidate when she first announced in in 2019 and still with all that

00:04:58.120 couldn't get to iowa so in other words i think the whole kamala harris thing is fake um it's all

00:05:04.740 astroturfed i think if there was a real election today i don't see how she could beat donald trump

00:05:10.820 but all of that you know is uh so maybe the i'm not we don't know that that's gonna happen

00:05:16.760 i don't think of course that's not gonna happen but i wonder though if the lesson is maybe we've

00:05:21.300 been taken in by this illusion that it's about people when really it's about machines the machinery

00:05:26.480 of in the party system particularly the democratic party and it just kind of doesn't matter what

00:05:31.400 kamala harris is like what her record is what she believes what she'll do or not do it she she has no

00:05:35.820 role in any of that she's just a stand in for you know the oligarchy yeah i mean we're gonna it's it

00:05:42.740 does feel that way yes well it's an interesting we're kind of running that experiment right now to

00:05:47.300 see how fake it is or how how little the people actually matter i will say at least

00:05:54.640 with joe biden the uh they proved they couldn't do it with him like he was too senile that's right

00:06:04.160 to to be able to pull that off so the machine just like everything right just like the u.s empire

00:06:09.200 governments in general they're not gods there are limits to their power the question is like can they

00:06:15.860 pull this off it's interesting to me that is a really smart point and i'm glad that you said that

00:06:22.400 because it actually makes me feel better yeah well that's there are limits they're not omnipotent yes

00:06:27.780 that's right well i mean look i there's there's lots of examples of that like every foreign policy

00:06:33.000 decision in the last 20 plus years yes there's yeah they actually can't do everything they think

00:06:38.220 that we can do a lot i mean we can take down nations uh we can't build them we've learned that

00:06:44.060 that's right um but you know with joe biden there was a really weird mix of things that happened and

00:06:50.820 and one of them is that there there is a kernel of truth just a kernel of truth to the corporate

00:06:56.660 media narrative um which is that obviously you know like me and you were talking i think at least

00:07:03.420 since 2019 about joe biden's very obvious cognitive decline it was like very it was very clear when he

00:07:10.160 came back around after being vice president like if you listen to him back in uh in 2016 when he was

00:07:17.160 made the decision not to run yes um he said it was because you know of he wasn't over his son dying

00:07:22.780 or whatever but we know it was really because obama pushed him out yes in favor of clinton even

00:07:27.120 though it was kind of his turn traditionally speaking he was the vice president um but back

00:07:32.120 then he kind of was joe biden oh yeah and then once he came back around running in 2019 it was like

00:07:39.100 whoa this isn't joe biden anymore but the kernel of truth to the media narrative is that it's also true

00:07:44.120 that it got drastically worse like it got whatever it was it went from being a thing where i mean i

00:07:50.560 remember on your on your fox show in 2019 you'd be like playing these clips of him where he'd go he

00:07:56.260 get the state wrong he was telling these weird stories you know it was it was very clear but it

00:08:02.620 was still he was still a little bit like hit or miss yes like he'd have one speech where he kind of was

00:08:07.500 okay then the next speech oh he looks like he has dementia you know it was like whatever joe biden

00:08:12.820 showed up and he did the debate with did he do one or two debates in 2020 i think they did they do

00:08:19.160 i can't remember recall but he got through him i mean trump kind of talked over trump made a real

00:08:23.900 tactical error yes and just dominate it whereas you want to let joe biden talk as we as we learned

00:08:28.900 yes the muting the microphones really worked in trump's favor yeah in that debate um but lately

00:08:35.520 it's not like every other speech no he's bad he can't pull off one he can't pull off any interview

00:08:42.840 still the president who is the president of the united states well here's well it's yeah it's we don't

00:08:47.720 have one um and this is how strange is that well this is so this is what's crazy to me though right

00:08:52.760 is like um so if you look at first of all the distinction which i think should be um obvious

00:08:58.900 more and more to people is that the the distinction politically that matters right now is not left first

00:09:04.360 right it is uh it that is just not true it's it's one thing that man it drives me crazy amongst like

00:09:11.320 republican voters and even republican leaders that they still want to see things in that distinction

00:09:17.120 they still want to go the far left nancy pelosi or whatever it's like yeah she's not really far

00:09:22.200 left it's a she uses far left language but these people it's not you know calling kamala harris a

00:09:29.040 communist or whatever and i know people were sending this clip um these are people who work for jp

00:09:34.340 morgan yes they're not communists they're for big business and and they're like yeah but look at this

00:09:38.440 clip she's talking about equality of outcomes like she doesn't even understand what that means

00:09:42.340 it's not really communist they're using leftist language of course they're liberal they're

00:09:46.740 neoliberals exactly who are for big business so the distinction is not left or right the distinction is

00:09:52.240 like um establishment versus dissident or um corrupt versus honest or something like that that's right

00:10:00.160 that's why uh glenn greenwald is not on the opposition team to us and mitch mcconnell is our ally

00:10:07.280 right it's not about that um but so one of the that's for sure right so one of the things that

00:10:13.360 the establishment has which is really something i've been marveling at lately um is there they have

00:10:20.000 unbelievable message discipline something that us the the dissidents could never dream of having i mean

00:10:27.920 it's just unbelievable you know you see some of like the compilations of the corporate media it's just

00:10:33.240 like hey they just hey jd vance is weird that's the line this week tim wallace is a fun killer yes

00:10:38.760 everyone not weird at all though well look uh my my totally not weird well my good friend uh michael

00:10:44.740 malice who you had on your uh fox show i wrote the book on north korea and he's just really smart guy

00:10:49.840 and and hilarious and a great guy um but he pointed this out that uh you know when a few years ago when

00:10:56.320 joe rogan was taking uh ivermectin uh his doctor prescribed him ivermectin after the fish tank cleaner or

00:11:01.660 the horse tranquilizer i can't remember which one all of them horse dewormer there's he were and

00:11:06.620 there was there's a million different things that ivermectin does yet they all picked horse dewormer

00:11:11.840 and repeated that and then you know you can look back sharp as attack joe biden sharp as attack sharp

00:11:16.860 as attack everyone said this in private meetings he's sharp as attack this people forget the shortest

00:11:21.260 lived propaganda campaign ever which was way back last month was uh cheap fakes yeah you remember for

00:11:28.680 a week oh you were told that there are these videos they're kind of like deep fakes what

00:11:33.320 distinguishes them from deep fakes is that they're real videos but but you see tucker it's totally

00:11:39.120 they're trying to make it look like joe biden is old and senile but that's all just bullshit or

00:11:43.180 whatever so they stay on message they very much stay on message whereas the the maga movement has

00:11:50.780 nothing like that and part of that is because donald trump's at the top and donald trump doesn't

00:11:55.260 stay on message that's not how he works he's a stream of conscious type thinker who uh goes on

00:12:01.400 stage and doesn't even know what he's going to talk about he figures it out while he's up there

00:12:05.340 there's something kind of uh endearing about that um and there's something more fundamentally one

00:12:09.760 movement is about the individual right and the other is about the collective absolutely the collective

00:12:15.160 doesn't care about your opinion well it's it's amazing right just that even of these people who

00:12:20.780 work in places that you used to work and and some places you didn't work but like people in the new

00:12:25.720 york times or the washington post or cnn or nbc or cbs that like all of them at least in their own

00:12:31.540 mind still pretend to be journalists and yet they have they're somehow able to just repeat the talking

00:12:37.740 point exactly verbatim as everyone else does so anyway my point is we don't want to be that because

00:12:43.560 we don't want to be like we don't want to all just be mindless drones right however it is it's amazing

00:12:50.520 to me that donald trump no none of his surrogates no one like on the pro-trump side seems to be able

00:13:00.160 to effectively hit kamala harris with what is the most obvious thing to hit her with it's the greatest

00:13:08.000 scandal in american history which is like what you just said that we don't have a president

00:13:13.020 we the president of the united states everybody has essentially admitted is too senile to run

00:13:20.600 for president yet he's going to be president until january we are in a proxy war with the biggest

00:13:27.340 nuclear power in the history of the world and we have another uh proxy war ish type thing that looks to

00:13:34.180 be um devolving into a wider regional war in israel and we don't have a president this is like the biggest

00:13:42.500 scandal in the history of the republic if we're a republic anymore and and kamala harris is is

00:13:49.520 directly implicated in this like she was one of the major people lying through her teeth that joe biden

00:13:56.100 is sharp as attack in private meetings and it seems like somehow the trump campaign has not been able

00:14:02.580 to effectively hit her for this it's like right there in front of us you pulling joe biden out

00:14:09.320 was admitting that he's too senile to run for president yes and yet you're not invoking the 25th

00:14:14.460 amendment this is what it's for he clearly can't be president and then what does it say about the

00:14:19.340 machine that they're quite happy with that that that works very well for them i mean there are two

00:14:24.320 levels in which it's upsetting one is the practical level which is you probably do want a commander in

00:14:30.820 chief if you're on the cusp of nuclear war which we are but the other is philosophical and speaks to

00:14:37.320 whether our current system can continue i mean we're just admitting now that the that we don't

00:14:43.060 have an executive that we don't need an executive this is governed that we are governed by an unelected

00:14:48.180 body of people whose names we don't know yeah whose motives we don't understand like what and and

00:14:53.240 also as as that's sort of the end right and as we all know the only reason they pulled joe biden is

00:14:59.260 because it came it became clear he couldn't win but if he could have won they'd be quite happy to keep

00:15:03.340 him in there like they like that it's probably better that they don't have this guy who every

00:15:07.500 now and then might think he's president of the united states why is there no curiosity about who

00:15:11.400 they is yeah well that's a good question i mean i can't answer that i mean i think most people assume

00:15:16.600 obama is at the top of that pyramid but i can't confirm that we don't know i haven't heard really

00:15:22.320 anybody in a position of authority ask like who does run the government yeah and i don't know that

00:15:27.340 there's an easy i mean i don't know the answer to that but i don't know that there is kind of

00:15:31.160 i don't think it's obama i mean i think obama has influence you know but i don't know how much

00:15:37.360 obama really ran the government when he was president of the united states i don't you know

00:15:41.620 i certainly know that he he definitely at the very beginning got rolled by his generals um and i think

00:15:49.300 that he you know i don't exactly know where he was on some of these issues but at least with like

00:15:56.440 what he ran on in terms of health care was not what obamacare was at all in fact he if you remember

00:16:04.380 way back in ancient history in 2008 he hillary clinton was the one who was for the individual

00:16:09.540 mandate of course and he criticized her i actually thought it was a great line he had in the debate

00:16:13.940 he was like the individual mandate solves the health insurance crisis in the same way that

00:16:19.240 mandating you buy a house solves the homelessness problem which was like a great line totally and that's

00:16:24.920 totally exactly right how does that help anything to mandate you buy something that you've already

00:16:29.760 deemed you can't afford to buy um but then that's what obamacare ultimately was and why is it good for

00:16:35.940 the the insurance companies so it's like it seems to me like he was always getting rolled by what are

00:16:41.880 the powerful interests which are essentially big business that owns the government uses the government

00:16:48.880 as a tool to increase their profits so i don't know i mean i don't know who's really running

00:16:53.580 things is it the director of national intelligence is it uh biden's chief of staff i don't know

00:16:59.280 but it's not joe biden that's for sure and kamala harris seems like kind of flotsam on the waves of

00:17:05.640 history herself like she's not is she making independent judgments and choices that are is she

00:17:10.680 driving her own narrative i don't think so i don't think she stands for anything you know i don't

00:17:15.520 think i think she's just like i don't think there's one issue ever where it's like no she believes

00:17:20.020 in this passion and she's gonna and she's gonna stand up and try her best to make sure this goes

00:17:24.660 through it's kind of like you know she was a an aggressive uh prosecutor in california but if she

00:17:31.480 was a prosecutor right now in california i'm sure she'd be one of these progressive prosecutors it's

00:17:35.260 just like which way was the wind blowing is that the thing to get me more power well how's this for

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00:20:52.860 before we get into the details of what's actually happening right now just to speed ahead a year

00:20:56.940 no matter who wins does anybody believe that our system functions as advertised i mean that do we know too

00:21:03.340 much to sort of continue it is it's a good question and you know i think that i think our our system

00:21:13.180 has worked this way for a very long time what's really drastically changed is that people have

00:21:19.660 really woken up to it yeah it's a mix of several things obviously like the internet is a huge part of

00:21:25.820 that and social media and stuff like that and then also just the trump phenomenon that's right

00:21:30.540 the kind of the deep state coming out of the shadows to some degree you know and even i know

00:21:35.820 i've heard you talk about this uh the clip before and i've played it a million times on my podcast uh

00:21:41.020 but where uh chuck schumer was on with rachel maddow oh yeah and he says that which is amazing moment

00:21:45.980 because if you look she she goes off script and she asked and she even says before she asked the

00:21:53.180 question she goes i don't mean to put you on the spot here but president-elect donald trump this is in

00:21:58.700 january of 2016 he's won the election but he's not president yet because president-elect donald trump

00:22:03.820 was just tweeting you know whatever it was talking shit to the cia or whatever and he just off off the

00:22:09.980 cuff in a real moment goes i would not do that it was like the most honest thing chuck schumer's ever

00:22:15.500 said it was amazing they have was six ways to sunday yeah back at you but i never really believed i

00:22:21.100 mean i was an idiot obviously i didn't really believe any of that i was hunting probably 10 years ago

00:22:27.260 down in south texas right in the rio grande on somebody's ranch and this guy comes out with a box

00:22:33.420 about this big and uh an aerial like a fiberglass line that went up and the end of it was connected

00:22:42.700 to a raccoon tail and it was a coyote call and they turned this thing on and it made the sound of a dying

00:22:48.460 animal like just hard like from the depths of hades these sounds and then this tail would whip around in

00:22:55.420 the air like it's the weirdest thing i've ever seen in my life and out of nowhere within about

00:22:59.820 three minutes all these animals showed up there's a big cat all these coyotes and i thought that's

00:23:06.700 kind of what trump is he's like a coyote call like he shows up and out of this landscape that looks

00:23:12.380 desolate like nothing's going on all of a sudden the predators come out and you see for the first

00:23:16.540 time that you were always surrounded yeah by these things they were always there you just didn't see

00:23:21.580 them yeah do you know what i mean yeah and i felt that way very much about the intel agencies like

00:23:26.620 of course i applied to work at one i knew they were there um but i really had no idea the degree

00:23:32.620 which they're running everything well i think that that's exactly right right so it's like it's not um

00:23:37.100 so like say in like the 90s when i was a kid um and and if my parents you know had uh you know like

00:23:45.820 they used to always have a crossfire was before you were on it was uh the pat buchanan yeah and

00:23:50.540 tom braden yeah there's they'd have that on or whatever and there'd be an and they knew the cia

00:23:55.980 existed it's not like they weren't aware and they were like yeah it's a super secret spy organization

00:24:00.140 that does super secret spy stuff you know like they kind of knew that against their enemies right

00:24:04.060 but it was never like a thought like okay the the presidential election between clinton and bob

00:24:09.900 dole is coming up how much is the cia just crafting the illusion of what we see in front of us that

00:24:15.740 never would have been a thought now that's a thought that's in a lot of people's minds about

00:24:20.700 like the whole thing is fake there's a great quote uh that your uh cia guy had when you asked about

00:24:26.140 the kennedy assassination it's such a great line because yes the government was involved it's all fake

00:24:31.740 it's all fake that's the perfect line to describe but we know that i mean i think people know that

00:24:36.780 they know that and that's why people everyone's going crazy and really getting down these rabbit

00:24:41.020 holes i understand why but like how is that does that ever change like once you know this can you

00:24:46.620 unknow it yeah that's a really good question and i don't think i don't think so i think that i don't

00:24:52.300 think you can put that toothpaste back in the tube i think ultimately that's probably at least at this

00:24:57.580 point that's trump's great accomplishment you know for better or worse i i think it's for the better i

00:25:04.940 think it's better to know things um than to be in a state of ignorance but that is there is no

00:25:13.260 getting away from it and it's also it's past the point especially for trump supporters i think we're

00:25:20.300 way past the point of them ever believing the system is real like even in in uh 2020 if let's just

00:25:28.220 say hypothetically that the election was completely on the up and up and there was no you know

00:25:34.060 fraud involved in the election mark zuckerberg didn't spend 400 million well no but that i'm

00:25:39.820 saying that stuff we know is real right even though the time magazine uh piece that they ran like so

00:25:44.860 if you if you had a guy in donald trump with the entire media class and political class told you that

00:25:51.660 it cannot be this guy and not just like your opposition like mit romney the former the last

00:25:56.700 nominee before him said anyone but this guy everyone said you can't have this guy and the voters decided no

00:26:01.900 we want this guy this is who we want and so they framed him for treason let's frame the sitting u.s

00:26:08.220 president for treason with a foreign hostile power that completely collapsed it's weird you don't hear

00:26:13.660 anything about that anymore right isn't that just that in itself so crazy that uh vladimir putin's plant

00:26:22.620 is possibly going to be president again and no one in the media is even mentioning that as a thing

00:26:27.580 and yet also not apologizing like it's like they're not how can you do neither of those things

00:26:32.700 how can you either say like oh russia's about to have control of the white house again or hey we

00:26:37.820 were wrong about that whole russia having control of the white house thing but anyway so they they

00:26:41.660 frame him for treason they impeach him twice they raid his home in mar-a-lago they you know all these

00:26:47.100 things that happen how would you ever after that if trump loses let's say how would any trump supporter

00:26:53.180 ever accept that this was real that he had a real you know what i mean that like our team actually

00:26:58.220 lost and your team actually won it's always going to be viewed as like what it is so you made such a

00:27:03.340 smart point at breakfast um which i wish we had filmed because it was great uh but about how there's no

00:27:10.460 effort by the establishment in washington both parties to win over people who support trump there's no

00:27:19.020 effort to convince them to cajole them it feels like the people who run the country of like actually

00:27:26.780 hate a lot of the country for real yeah and there's um i was thinking about this i recently um re-watched uh

00:27:33.980 pat buchanan's speech from the 1992 uh convention which uh was an it's an amazing speech and uh first

00:27:43.020 he was a speech writer for nixon he was really really good at writing speeches you know like that was kind

00:27:47.180 of his thing and it got the media flipped out about it they called it the culture war speech

00:27:52.380 and all i remember it wasn't like really that culture worry really but there was this one point

00:27:58.060 where he said something along the lines of uh he was talking about being on the campaign trail he had

00:28:03.500 run and challenged george hw bush and this was him coming back in to throw his supporters behind hw um a

00:28:11.020 mistake in my opinion but it gave a great speech uh regardless but he said at one point that he was out

00:28:16.140 there you know when he was talking to people who were really struggling as he was right you know

00:28:19.740 there's some woman who was talking about how she lost her job um and and they were gonna maybe take

00:28:25.180 her kid away from her and then there was some guy who worked at a plant that was gonna close down and

00:28:30.140 he was like please save our jobs and he's kind of like touching moments and his message to the

00:28:34.940 republicans was like look like these people are our people they're our fellow countrymen and we have to

00:28:41.980 like we have to get back in touch with them and he said at one point he goes they don't expect miracles

00:28:47.900 from us but they have to at least know that we care like that's that's kind of it and it's amazing

00:28:54.220 how little it takes you know like one of the things about this uh uh waltz guy which he is one of the

00:29:01.340 things that i think is one of the reasons why they picked him is that he at least gets that you're

00:29:06.940 supposed to talk about issues that maybe regular people might care about you know and it almost

00:29:12.300 this is why some of these old distinctions aren't as meaningful anymore i mean don't get me wrong like

00:29:17.900 i'm for laissez-faire free markets i'm a libertarian i do not like socialism um but at least someone like

00:29:25.820 bernie sanders is talking about like your health care costs or your take-home pay why do the banks have

00:29:31.740 all the power yeah yeah things that like kind of matter whereas like the corporate media is totally

00:29:37.100 obsessed over like january 6th climate change climate change uh racism even like democracy and

00:29:44.860 this kind of weird abstraction the way they talk about it it's like but no one's like it's like you

00:29:49.340 know what people care about is like price inflation like 100 groceries are 30 more expensive that's

00:29:55.020 like a big deal and so anyway i think the pat buchanan point was like you got to at least give

00:29:59.980 them something just something try to do something for these people and it would i would think it would

00:30:06.860 take very little i mean like i think i've heard you say this before where it's just kind of like

00:30:11.420 all right you guys get your wall you know what i mean like you know okay donald trump won and all

00:30:15.980 you guys wanted to build okay so we're going to build a wall because like it's kind of a symbol that

00:30:19.500 you still have a little bit of say in how the country is run and we're going to give you that and

00:30:24.460 maybe like two other little things and we're going to keep all of the profits that we're raking in

00:30:28.380 in exactly you know it's like something they they don't want to offer any deal to the trump

00:30:33.180 supporters to try to pull them back in to this system and that is very creepy to me well it's

00:30:38.780 ominous too because if you don't care what people think well first of all a democracy required to

00:30:43.500 care what they think so you know i guess we can settle that question no it's not a democracy

00:30:47.500 or even a republic but if you don't care then you can kind of do there's no limit to what you can do to

00:30:53.020 them yeah well that's right that's right and and but also even whether it's democracy or not um

00:30:59.500 because obviously we're not a democracy and obviously we're not a republic whereas we're an

00:31:04.380 oligarchy that's a world empire and that's that's really how you would describe yeah america um but

00:31:11.260 even in an authoritarian dictatorship there's limits to what you can do to your people you know i mean

00:31:18.540 there's like you have to at least convince them that you're doing something on behalf of them

00:31:25.100 otherwise people won't uh put up with it anymore it requires a lot of force yeah right in a true

00:31:31.580 autocratic way and even in middle eastern theocracies i've seen it you know the king or the crown prince

00:31:36.620 or the guy in charge takes the temperature of the country every in the uae every week you know the

00:31:43.020 head of the country has to sit there while people from the provinces come in and complain to him

00:31:47.020 in his house right and it's it's not just a kabuki like they're you know you have to keep in touch with

00:31:53.180 what people want and you sort of have to deliver some percentage of it or at least pretend you are

00:31:57.660 right yeah yeah you would think so i mean it's kind of like right in in a friendship or a marriage or

00:32:03.260 a business or anything well they're just like how about some more suffering and degradation for you

00:32:07.100 would you like a little more of that yeah and that makes it makes me worry about what happens

00:32:12.060 if she wins yeah well um me too although there's um you know i i think i think um like trump supporters

00:32:22.220 and people who are uh who are i think truly dissidents of of this regime have to

00:32:31.340 you know look like i said we're never gonna have the message discipline of the establishment and that's

00:32:36.060 okay we don't want that i think we do have to be wiser about like how exactly are we going to attack

00:32:42.300 this thing you know like i'm i'm uh like a i'm a hardcore libertarian and there's that's a very small

00:32:50.220 group of people in this country there's there's some you know but there's not that many no we can't

00:32:55.660 you know now there's enough that like donald trump came to the libertarian convention because it's

00:32:59.340 it's a election presidential elections are close these days and any little block like helps but

00:33:05.980 if you're talking about like trump supporters it's okay hey you got tens of millions of people in this

00:33:11.100 country and you could see where look there's there's real lessons to be learned um from last year's uh the

00:33:17.820 boycotts of target and bud light just in that forget even like politics just in terms of being consumers

00:33:23.980 hey look at the power you guys have if you decide to do something you can really do something and you

00:33:29.900 can change the the direction of the culture the direction of the country but you got to be really

00:33:35.020 smart about when you decide to do it and who you decide to go after and i'm is man it was frustrating

00:33:41.180 to me to see like so donald trump gets shot in the head you know does this and it's the reason why he's

00:33:50.860 alive if he hadn't done that his brains are blown out on national television now what we know about

00:33:58.220 this and obviously there's a lot more to uncover but let's just say best case scenario it was

00:34:05.740 a wild failure uh you know like a failure that you really can't even imagine you've seen some of the

00:34:12.140 videos this kid is walking around and scoping out the area for over an hour before he's there he's

00:34:19.580 allowed to be on a roof that's uh 150 yards away from the former president of the united states of

00:34:26.620 america people on the ground are screaming this guy's got a gun and okay so like but joe biden's

00:34:34.140 employees allowed it right joe biden yes yes they're exactly employees and and also take into account all

00:34:40.380 the other things that they've done to this guy and then they allowed this to happen yes and two weeks

00:34:46.700 later all of right-wing twitter is up in arms about some trannies in the opening ceremony of

00:34:54.940 the olympics and it's like guys focus like you know like come on man i don't like that stuff either and

00:35:02.220 i think it's awful that they're shoving that in everyone's face and that shouldn't have been at the

00:35:05.180 opening ceremonies but hey no no no no no outrage is a finite resource just like everything else and

00:35:11.900 we are outraged about this thing you know like not that we're outraged about this and then and all it

00:35:17.340 would take would be a little bit of focus okay we're not going to have the message discipline of the the

00:35:23.020 corporate media but like just a little bit of focus from the dissonance to just like pick like four

00:35:28.300 things that we're going to focus on all of our energy like that we're getting the bottom of that

00:35:32.540 assassination attempt what the hell happened there you know they could do it we could figure that out

00:35:37.420 this isn't this isn't kennedy where we have one you know film that we have to all rely on we got a

00:35:42.940 bunch of different camera angles we got we can track this kid's cell phone we could do all types of

00:35:47.340 different things and like to me the major man my first message to every like america first type or or

00:35:55.180 even like or the glenn greenwald like true leftists or anyone who's kind of a dissident of this regime it's

00:36:01.180 like the the rule is we only support america first non-interventionist candidates and anybody

00:36:10.860 who has anything to say to you about war with iran is your enemy you're not on their side and you're

00:36:16.620 not supporting them you will not support lindsey graham you know how the hell let a democrat get in

00:36:21.740 who cares is it any worse than lindsey graham no would be much better probably better of course

00:36:27.500 because it's more straightforward i i completely agree with you completely and it's and it is the

00:36:33.820 neocons it's all the republican senate committee chairman it's lindsey graham it's mitch mcconnell

00:36:39.020 it's all the creepy uh war worshipers who will immediately on every other issue whip around and

00:36:47.660 betray you yeah no that's exactly they're fundamentally corrupt and you just don't agree with them and you

00:36:51.980 know maybe some of them are nice people i haven't met any but i'm sure that they exist but um yeah

00:36:57.500 they shouldn't be in the coalition but to the assassination it seems like you know the difference

00:37:04.140 between you know climate change or equity or systemic racism and the assassination is like bullets are real

00:37:13.820 we can measure their trajectory we can measure their effect we saw it on video like that's actually

00:37:19.340 real in the way that war is real violence is real and so that's got to be at the top position of

00:37:25.340 concern right oh yeah 100 and i don't i don't understand how we could just allied right past

00:37:30.460 that yeah yeah what do you think actually happened um you know i i gotta say it's just it looks like it

00:37:39.340 is what it obviously is yeah i agree with i mean i just i i don't know like i i don't know enough to

00:37:44.700 prove the case i did see there was um there was i can't remember who somebody at the blaze

00:37:50.380 um who had they had reported that you know because you know the it's not just the government who's

00:37:56.460 tracking your phones it's like a million every app is of course yeah you can buy the geolocation yeah

00:38:02.140 so they had they had a phone from the shooter's house that had gone to dc and been at this spot

00:38:08.700 that's like known to be where fbi meets with like their informants and stuff like right down the road

00:38:13.420 from fbi headquarters yeah what are we looking at here and then of course you know i mean it's like

00:38:18.940 look let's just say there's a like a a serial killer uh in a neighborhood and they've killed

00:38:24.460 like 11 people and then there's a 12th person who's dead and you see that serial killer leaving

00:38:29.820 their house on video it's like okay i'm not saying that's maybe not enough evidence to go to a court of

00:38:35.900 law and and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this person killed them but i'd be like if we're

00:38:42.540 all just looking at that we're like i'm pretty sure my starting assumption is going to be that guy did it

00:38:47.260 you know what i mean and like it's just every listen you predicted this uh a year ago yeah it was

00:38:53.260 pretty obvious obviously on the trajectory to ending all the trend line yeah it's not hard and so then when

00:38:59.020 it happens it is pretty difficult to not go all right i mean because if it's not that then you're

00:39:06.620 saying okay so what explains this guy being a block away from the fbi building uh what explains the fact

00:39:13.020 that this was allowed to happen i mean it's just so it's so hard to understand what other explanation

00:39:19.420 the bide administration clearly planted or allowed the planting of but i think they clearly did plant

00:39:24.460 pipe bombs on the morning of january 6th in front of the dnc and the rnc kamala harris was at the dnc

00:39:31.660 that morning i mean i think that's shown yeah and then nobody cares you were the only guy in cable

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00:42:36.780 you gotta pay close attention don't let the three card money thing distract you yeah you know the moving

00:42:42.940 walnut shell just remember what you care about is who's got the guns yeah yeah watch the guns that's

00:42:48.940 why i think we don't pay any attention all to what's happening in the united states military which

00:42:52.780 is clearly wildly politicized that's not accidental it's not ideological it's practical yeah you suborn

00:42:59.020 the people with guns you control the people with guns and then you have power because it's out of the

00:43:02.620 barrel of a gun the political power grows right yeah right so i don't know why no one is focused on

00:43:09.100 that stuff but if the secret service heavily armed federal agency is a political tool then i mean then

00:43:17.100 it's like you really have to rethink the terms 100 and and to your point about the the three card

00:43:22.540 monty thing is like what i was saying about the olympic opening ceremonies right is that there are like

00:43:26.620 there are these things that are clearly done to trigger right-wingers of course like this is we're

00:43:33.100 just doing the thing that makes the the conservative dna's blood boil right and so like okay be aware

00:43:40.700 of that now i'm not even i'm not saying that there's not a point where that is necessary to

00:43:46.700 fight again like you know if they're if they're coming after children or something like that and

00:43:50.620 or teaching like this garbage to kids okay no listen i i get it that is something that's worth uh

00:43:56.220 that's worth dying over you know what i mean and i'm not suggesting anybody do anything illegal or come

00:44:00.860 i'm just saying that like someone coming after your children is something okay that must be fought

00:44:05.100 but um but also just at least recognize that like yes this is a tactic it's a distraction tactic to get

00:44:13.180 you caught up in the latest outrage of the day and then also to look crazy to normal people you know so

00:44:21.660 like they're like to someone who's in the middle or maybe someone who's like you know kind of a more

00:44:26.300 liberal person but they're not part of an evil cabal they're just you know grew up in brooklyn

00:44:30.700 or whatever it's like they just see right where it's like man these guys are like obsessed over

00:44:35.100 like whether there was a dude in a dress at the opening ceremony like that it's much easier to

00:44:39.820 dismiss you whereas if you're like relentlessly focused on something that really matters it's much

00:44:45.020 more difficult and so that's a big part of it right like yeah don't get distracted by the three card

00:44:49.580 monty and then to your point i think that um about like who controls the guns i think that's also a

00:44:55.660 a big part of the reason why they uh they've been so um triggered by the trump movement in general

00:45:04.380 is also because donald trump is leading a right-wing populist movement right and that's very scary to

00:45:10.540 elites because it's armed it's armed and tough yeah you know i mean like a left-wing populist should be

00:45:15.980 afraid yeah i hope they are afraid yeah no i think i think that's right and and you know i was talking

00:45:20.620 about this i was i was down with uh um candace owens uh i just did her podcast last week and i was

00:45:25.820 talking about this but it's not like they're not a fan of left-wing populism either they hate it yeah

00:45:31.100 no they don't like it um they don't i mean we went to war with russia to hide the fact that they rigged

00:45:36.460 the primaries against bernie sanders a left-wing populist like that's that's right right and there's a

00:45:41.420 reason why they rigged the election against bernie sanders there's a reason why he was unacceptable to

00:45:45.260 them um but not they didn't freak out quite the way they did over donald trump and i think a lot

00:45:53.740 of that's because if you look at the people in bernie sanders movements what are they gonna do

00:45:57.900 about it yeah it's like okay you've armed you've you've gotten all of the male feminists together okay

00:46:05.820 good luck with the you know that overthrowing power however when you get every barrel-chested

00:46:12.060 man in america right every gun enthusiast every outdoorsman and and also a ton of cops and military

00:46:19.820 which by the way i think kind of explains what you're talking about with the politicizing of the

00:46:24.140 military it's been and that was a big part of what the vax mandate was too absolutely we got to get some

00:46:28.540 of these guys out of here you know like they're afraid of testosterone and they want to identify

00:46:32.860 who's got it in abundance and they want to isolate and punish those people that's why they're against

00:46:36.700 nicotine that's why walls raise the taxes on nicotine pouches for their yeah of course they're

00:46:42.220 not carcinogen there's no evidence by the way that nicotine is a carcinogen it's not that we know of

00:46:48.060 it's it's all a lie and what they hate about nicotine is it raises testosterone levels even

00:46:52.940 suppress that fact that's a fact on google google nicotine and testosterone and see how many results

00:47:01.660 it takes you to get to the core truth which is yes nicotine use raises testosterone levels man it is

00:47:07.420 way way down and that's not an accident they're afraid of testosterone yeah no what listen uh 100

00:47:13.500 that's like completely right and even on top of even like say uh cigarettes were like there certainly

00:47:18.860 is some evidence that like cigarettes are very bad for you there's overwhelming evidence yeah they are

00:47:22.700 yeah you can't smoke cigarettes although it is cool it's really cool i miss it vaping is so lame

00:47:27.260 every time i do it i wish i was just smoking a cigarette but anyway it's okay uh but the

00:47:31.580 trade-offs exactly trade-offs makes my wife happier so okay it's worth it um but uh you know it's like

00:47:38.060 i travel the country a lot because i'm a stand-up comic i'm on the road all the time and it's like

00:47:42.540 look there's no question way less people smoke now than you used to it's like okay that worked it turns

00:47:48.780 out economic incentives do work do you tax something you get less of it than you otherwise would that's why

00:47:52.860 it's so great that we tax income uh you get less of that than you otherwise would um but so but i go

00:47:59.500 all throughout this country and like yeah people don't smoke as much as they used to but everywhere

00:48:05.260 you go it's just arby's mcdonald's burger can you know it's like it's not it's not like health is

00:48:13.020 really the concern here so like what is actually the concern well public health has gotten much worse

00:48:17.900 right right oh so you don't have a problem with people being lethargic and obese you have a problem

00:48:23.340 with them smoking cigarettes so what explains that and i think you just explained it it's the same

00:48:29.260 reason they don't like the ar-15 because it's a visible sign of your autonomy right and they hate

00:48:34.300 that it's a threat to their control and um no i i couldn't agree more so tim waltz just just to descend

00:48:41.740 into the political for a second what do you make of that pick how's that going um you know i was i

00:48:49.900 was somewhat surprised i was by it i didn't think he i would have bet money shapiro was getting it

00:48:55.740 yeah i i thought um until i mean they kind of sent the signals over the last couple weeks that he was

00:49:01.420 out but i was assuming mark kelly was going to be the guy because he's uh from what i understood you

00:49:06.700 they were friendly with harris he's got kind of this thing where like um his wife was shot and he's an

00:49:11.500 astronaut and there is just something about that that's like right you kind of like can't help but

00:49:16.620 like it is an archetype of like of course of a guy who's appealing and also because uh he's in

00:49:22.380 arizona yeah um so i just thought he was the obvious choice um the shapiro thing i think evidently

00:49:28.620 came down to him just being like too ambitious and kind of like come on harris can't really have

00:49:33.020 someone no around her you know what i mean like you just can't because she's so unimpressive he

00:49:38.940 wasn't beta enough yeah well that's right and then i guess this guy fit that that mold i do um

00:49:45.500 my initial impression this is not somebody i knew much about until this last week um but my initial

00:49:52.780 impression is that uh he's also very unimpressive um and that he's not particularly bright and he he

00:50:01.420 does at least as i mentioned he does at least seem to understand that you got to try to talk about

00:50:05.500 stuff that people actually care about yeah and and he understands that we live in a populist

00:50:10.220 moment so he's trying to be kind of a populist or present himself that way but i again i just think

00:50:16.860 the thing is i think it's totally fake and astroturfed and the idea that we're supposed to um you know

00:50:23.900 pretend that he has you know like it's remember when they they were like beto o'rourke has the it

00:50:28.940 factor you know it's just so what are you talking about he was the best what world are you living in

00:50:35.020 where you look at that guy and you go man just dripping with charisma you know it's like so

00:50:39.340 they're doing that right now like i just and this is just totally anecdotal and i don't know what it

00:50:43.180 means but i have personally i've gotten like 30 text messages about donating to democrats in the last

00:50:52.380 two weeks and i've never donated to uh no i i donated to tulsi gabbard uh when she was running

00:50:59.180 uh in in 2019 it was because it was like the thing where you needed individual donations to make the

00:51:03.900 debate stage and i just wanted her on the debate stage uh for the so but i'm and so i mean they're

00:51:10.380 they're doing all types of uh maneuvering to give the impression that there's you know enthusiasm and

00:51:17.100 support for these guys including things like having i don't know i'm i'm out of touch and all that

00:51:21.500 but having like all these like rappers or whatever at her event so you get a bunch of people who are

00:51:25.740 like going to see you know the rapper and then you go look at all these people coming to kamala harris's

00:51:30.460 event they have all of their like techniques uh that they use i just i i think it's it's fake

00:51:38.220 all that walls guy i mean i don't want to be too unfair because i don't know him and i don't have any

00:51:42.780 hard evidence he's he's a weirdo that guy's weird he seems very sorry there's something not right

00:51:47.660 about that guy's personal life um so i hope i'm wrong because i don't i don't want people like

00:51:52.780 that with power but most people i know with power in washington have personal lives who would not

00:51:57.740 withstand scrutiny at all uh so but i i think that but i can't get past the core fact about walls which

00:52:05.580 is he he presided over allowed the biggest city in the state to get burned down and seem to not only

00:52:12.700 allow it but kind of we like to support it you know do you see the video of his wife saying i

00:52:18.620 kept the windows open so i could smell the burning rubber from the riots i did not see that the wife

00:52:24.140 whose hand he shook oh my god by the way i i mean i know it's i mean let's be i mean picking on a

00:52:30.220 little thing but who the hell shakes their wife's hand well kamala harris and her fake husband kissed

00:52:35.660 each other with masks on i mean what it's just so i guess look i i think i'm pretty libertarian on the

00:52:42.540 part i am i mean i've been in tv my whole life i know a lot of people with weird personal lives i'm

00:52:46.620 not a judger at all yeah sure however if everybody in power has some sort of weird celibate you know

00:52:53.340 mitch mcconnell and his wife and kamala harrison her husband this tim wall's guy like there's just no

00:52:59.020 chance these are normal marriages at all that's not good yeah and people were bad and they were they

00:53:04.380 were jumping on uh on jd vance uh for i think it was with you uh i think it was an old clip where he

00:53:11.020 was just talking about like all these childless people making decisions for the country and and

00:53:15.180 look like i'm not i'm not uh again i'm i'm with you on that i'm not like judging people i don't think

00:53:20.380 there are some people who shouldn't have kids you know it's the best thing i've ever done but i i

00:53:25.020 certainly think there are people who wouldn't make very good parents there are people who are very bad

00:53:28.300 parents who probably would have been yeah i'm not for mandatory childbearing but but like come on

00:53:33.660 there is something to be said for like i kind of would like a lot of our leaders to like yeah just

00:53:41.580 be in a marriage where they love their wife and they have some kids i think it gives you some stakes

00:53:45.500 that you really can't get any other way um and yeah there's just it is there is no question it is

00:53:52.140 very very bizarre people who seem to disproportionately rise to the top and it's so obvious that they're

00:53:59.020 bizarre i mean i look at this walls guy and i'm like again i don't know i don't have a police report

00:54:03.840 that i'm not sharing or something but the that guy not babysitting my kids like no way yeah no which

00:54:10.080 is what's so strange about them going with the line of jd vance being weird like i i understand

00:54:17.200 they're in like a little bit of a pickle where they're like okay they have to find rhetoric you know

00:54:22.000 the trump just got shot so they have to kind of pull back on like the nazi stuff because it's not

00:54:27.960 really working and also it's really hard to say you're not kind of you know it's really hard to

00:54:32.180 be like oh the the right wingers are inciting violence when they say fake news but like we're

00:54:39.080 not inciting violence when we say the democracy is on the line unless this guy's taken out you know

00:54:44.900 um but it's like weird you're using the word weird you're the party of freaks i know like what

00:54:50.920 are you talking about how are you gonna how is weird gonna be a pejorative for you when you're

00:54:56.460 literally sitting here going you see that that dude with a beard and a dress that's a beautiful

00:55:01.000 woman and then you can call someone else weird it's just so it is every accusation is an admission

00:55:07.880 right um but i also think it's just i don't want to go on too much but i don't know i don't want to

00:55:12.900 be mean but it's it's interesting i've always thought this was so strange especially the democratic

00:55:17.700 party you know they're always telling you that you know gay is great it's better to be gay

00:55:22.320 we love gays we're celebrating stonewall okay fine um but then there's so many people in the

00:55:28.200 democratic party who are closeted including in you know positions of real power i know them i don't

00:55:33.560 believe in outing people and i'm not going to but i know that for a fact and it's like on what

00:55:39.080 grounds are you hiding it actually that's that's too much i can't i also have absolutely nothing

00:55:44.800 against uh gay people i do have an issue with people living a lie well kind of yeah because there's

00:55:51.200 something about it's also not just lying but living a lie is like a it's a profound thing

00:55:57.760 where you get used to every inch of your existence being a lie who the very nature of who you are

00:56:05.660 is a lie and that just obviously leads to like people who have the ability to totally lie about

00:56:14.500 who they are exactly that i do have an issue with nicely put and there's so much of it i can't get

00:56:19.460 over it i'm not saying that as like a blue nose or and even as a as a judgment on the morality of it

00:56:27.560 but i mean i just find it so striking like how many people like that are there in washington

00:56:32.060 it's wildly disproportionate wildly even compared to like san francisco or some libertine place like

00:56:38.880 that in the west village there are freakier personal lives in dc i just find that really really

00:56:44.180 telling i don't know what it means exactly but it has to do with lying yeah yeah that's right and i

00:56:50.140 don't exactly know either i mean i do think that like um look as we've kind of learned like a bit

00:56:57.200 from the jeffrey epstein yes uh thing and you know i i guess we're you know so we find out that there's

00:57:04.520 this um this uh child pedophile blackmail ring that uh was pretty clearly involved a foreign country

00:57:14.880 um and it's going around compromising uh political leaders and and influential people and i guess we're

00:57:22.840 supposed to pretend like that must have been the only one and it's over now i mean we never got to

00:57:28.520 the bottom of it and sure all of the cameras malfunctioned and the guy you know committed suicide

00:57:33.220 and we never get the client list and we never get any of the sitting attorney general of the united

00:57:37.960 states bar covered it up lied right cover it up which he did yep that's right and uh i've said that

00:57:44.160 a bunch of times and every time he tells someone i know that you know that's outrageous he complains

00:57:47.920 and i hope he'll sue me over that because it's true let's go to discover 100 bar lied about it right

00:57:53.580 and so okay why what was that right well that's the big question and then like what is what is still

00:58:00.200 going on i mean obviously there were people above jeffrey epstein involved in it and obviously

00:58:05.140 there if you were doing something like that you wouldn't only have one you know what i mean like

00:58:09.900 exactly and so you do it does at least make you wonder like oh is it is it possible that people

00:58:17.220 who obviously people who can be blackmailed are very easy to control and so oh why would it be that

00:58:23.720 there there are so many people in in powerful positions who have these secret weird personal

00:58:29.980 lives and i think plausibly part of that explanation is because like well okay then they're very easy to

00:58:37.760 blackmail you can control them do you ever think about your own life in these terms like you you're

00:58:42.460 one of the people who will just say what you think is true period and you're always punching up not

00:58:48.040 down always yeah and um i don't know there's a non-trivial risk to that do you ever consider

00:58:53.820 that as the father of small children yeah yeah no i've definitely thought about it before um and i

00:59:00.240 guess like i don't know i guess because of the world that i'm in which is like totally removed from

00:59:07.040 the world of power you know like i'm not i've never been in dc and i've never been in you know and uh

00:59:13.540 and i'm like in i'm in comedy clubs and then just doing podcasts on the internet so i guess i feel a

00:59:19.380 little bit removed from the threat as like my profile's gotten bigger it's something i i think

00:59:25.780 about more um i just i don't know i kind of like can't stop i i'm just i i don't know listen man if it

00:59:36.120 ever really came down like if my kids were ever threatened you could by the way it's anybody cia if

00:59:40.420 you're listening or whatever i would i would protect them first and foremost i would totally

00:59:44.080 you know whatever i had to do i would do that daddy's gonna shut up now yeah yeah if i ever felt

00:59:48.380 like that was really um yeah the threat um or my wife for you know for that matter um but i do just

00:59:54.700 think that it's it's something that's kind of hard to describe that what i do is this is my calling

01:00:00.420 in life it's just what i'm supposed to do and my greatest heroes all of them at first and foremost i

01:00:06.460 was talking to you about before is ron paul um and he always just told the truth even when it was

01:00:11.440 like something that would get him booed out of an arena or something that would be like very

01:00:14.820 controversial and that would make him look bad that was just his thing and those are the people

01:00:18.560 i admire you know um and i feel like you do that it's something i admire about you i feel like

01:00:23.380 yeah but i'm older so it doesn't matter but you gotta wonder like the epstein i did not take

01:00:28.860 the epstein murder which it was a murder not a suicide seriously at all um and then you know

01:00:35.320 i spent a lot of time learning about it and talking to his brother mark about it and i think

01:00:39.200 becoming something of an expert on and he was murdered and so but then you have to think well

01:00:42.700 he was murdered not in his bedroom or on west 57th street he was killed in the special housing unit

01:00:50.480 of federal lockup in manhattan like the most like the inner sanctum of the vault yeah so okay then the

01:00:58.020 next i guess conclusion would have to be anyone with the power to do that can pretty much do anything

01:01:04.360 in this temporal world right so that's a pretty formidable whoever did that and we could you know

01:01:09.660 i have theories on it but can't prove it but somebody did it and those are the people that

01:01:13.940 like maybe you shouldn't criticize yeah right yeah i mean there's certainly there's a point to that

01:01:20.020 um there's also you know i also you know it's like having little kids like i also i have a son

01:01:26.100 and i do feel an enormous pressure um to um to be an example for him and and to be a man

01:01:35.480 yes it was a pressure i never felt until i had a son um maybe that's the sexist in me i mean i just

01:01:41.660 didn't feel that same pressure with my my daughter um as my wife is also like she's so great that i

01:01:48.800 always just kind of when we our first was a daughter and i always felt when i had her i was like

01:01:52.340 oh like uh i was like okay my job's pretty easy it's actually because i know at first i know she's

01:01:58.720 a great uh like role model to her she's like it just an unbelievable example of of being a great

01:02:04.140 woman so she's gotten basically what i have to do is like you know protect her and provide for her

01:02:08.680 and love her and that's really actually comes very natural you're not teaching your daughter how to

01:02:13.000 become a woman right exactly not your job um and then when we had a son it like kind of hit me like

01:02:19.060 oh i have to teach him how to be a man so i better figure out how to be a man real quick

01:02:25.040 and then i can teach this to my to my boy you know exactly right but i think one of the foundational

01:02:30.160 things about being a good man is telling the truth um and even when there's some risk involved in that

01:02:36.200 so i do also feel like kind of a pressure that it's like well no then those are the people that

01:02:39.940 are exactly who i should be criticizing and talking about um now as far as you know all

01:02:46.360 i would just say my only pushback on on what you said is that it's not what yes they can touch

01:02:53.220 someone in you know a secure prison so that's certainly something they demonstrate they have

01:02:58.600 the ability to do also i don't know that it was ever supposed to get to that point and i don't know

01:03:02.700 that we're supposed to know about it and we're supposed to be having this conversation right now

01:03:05.880 so clearly it didn't go exactly according to plan right that's such a smart point so that's the

01:03:11.360 kind of silver lining in all of it we hear a lot from viewers about big tech censorship and those

01:03:17.940 reports are more frequent than ever right now censorship meaning shutting down your access

01:03:23.360 to information not lies or misinformation but true things it's only the truth that they censor

01:03:29.440 facts that get in the way of the lies they're trying to tell you the net effect of this of course

01:03:34.780 is interfering in the 2024 presidential elections that's why they're censoring more than ever now

01:03:40.240 because the stakes are even higher you're probably not shocked by this but the specific examples of

01:03:45.280 it do throw you back a little bit we've seen screenshots and videos showing how a google search

01:03:50.400 to learn more about the attempted assassination on donald trump instead push users to information

01:03:56.220 on harry truman or bob marley or the pope anything other than the relevant truth which is that they just

01:04:03.240 shot trump in the face they don't want you to know that because it might help trump we've seen examples

01:04:08.900 where facebook marked true photos of a bloodied and defiant trump as misleading somehow those

01:04:14.520 pictures were a lie and then limited their visibility its ai assistant explicitly denied

01:04:19.180 the shooting ever took place this is insanity but it's at the core of big tech's editorial policy which

01:04:24.500 is denying the truth to you in order to control the outcome of this presidential election that's not

01:04:29.460 democracy we've seen examples where a generic search for information about donald trump

01:04:33.700 was automatically rephrased to show positive stories about kamala harris instead is there any

01:04:40.280 clear example of election interference so what do you do about it well parlor has been down this road

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01:05:52.680 i'm parlor get the parlor wrap today so if you're trying to figure out what the u.s will look like

01:06:12.120 um you know next year 2026 and into the future worst case is kind of the what's happening in the

01:06:20.120 uk right now it seems like yeah yeah that's that's that's pretty bad well people getting

01:06:26.620 arrested or facebook posts yeah and this is why like um you know people especially particularly

01:06:32.840 like the dissidents that that i was talking about like you really got to be smart in the way that

01:06:38.460 you fight these things and so you know like i uh i was talking about when there was um there was one

01:06:46.600 one of donald trump's like uh trials there was a big like kind of group uh of trump supporters who

01:06:53.260 were outside protesting and i i remember i tweeted uh that day and i was like hey uh dear trump supporters

01:06:59.500 if you happen to see a barrel-chested man outside screaming storm the courthouse

01:07:04.700 just go ahead and don't storm the courthouse you know like it's like let's just like let's be

01:07:09.740 smart about the way you try to go about this that's right you do not this is an asymmetrical

01:07:13.940 conflict you do not want uh you know a conflict you do not want to you don't want a conflict in the

01:07:21.580 sense of like let's let's storm the capital how's that going to work out for you okay no this is just

01:07:26.860 going to be the excuse now of course which obviously the thing was an inside job to a large degree

01:07:33.400 can we just establish it anybody who screamed let's storm the capital i can think of two people

01:07:37.740 who did who was not arrested didn't spend time in jail was defended by democrats in the congress

01:07:44.260 yes um but he and he wasn't alone there's another prominent person who did that as well as i know you

01:07:49.720 know didn't get arrested didn't go to jail i i mean what can we conclude from that yes and all of

01:07:57.120 the and and just you know the um the the stuff where you uh you interviewed the head of uh

01:08:02.840 yeah right and so i mean all just all of the things together you can kind of obviously see

01:08:07.620 what it was um but that so you don't want you don't want to riot you don't want to do things

01:08:15.180 like that because then that would be an excuse for our government to do exactly what the the

01:08:19.240 government in the uk is doing right now right it was crack down on facebook posts or whatever you

01:08:23.720 know and so you don't want to fight it that way but you know the i do believe like this this country

01:08:32.100 can still be saved or it could be a lot less worse than the possibilities uh are the the country's

01:08:38.840 been in very bad points before not exactly the same as where we are right now what's uh what's

01:08:44.600 what's scary about the current position is that it's it's all of these factors plus the like financial

01:08:50.820 realities uh they they kind of create this weird super storm of things where it's a cultural phenomenon

01:08:57.960 a political phenomenon and then it's also just like a debt and and uh derivatives and bonds and

01:09:05.780 like things that are like all completely unsustainable but i do think that like like i was saying like

01:09:11.320 there's we have a big opportunity if we could really just focus and kind of get people who we have

01:09:18.120 these giant platforms like this show it's really incredible i i don't think you can overstate how

01:09:23.880 amazing it is that like the dynamics have shifted technologically and culturally to the point where

01:09:31.700 say someone like okay so bill o'reilly obviously a very different person than you and was never

01:09:38.780 was never a critic of the regime in the meaningful way that you were at fox news but he was the number

01:09:47.380 one cable news show at the 8 p.m hour at fox news and they fired him and he largely went away i know

01:09:55.640 he's still got his show he's still got a little bit of an audience um but he's not really involved in

01:10:01.300 the national conversation anymore like bill o'reilly was like moving the national conversation at one

01:10:06.620 point like many many years like his opinion was gonna was gonna have significant influence over a

01:10:12.740 large portion and they were able to like get rid of him um you on the other hand were the number one

01:10:19.300 show on fox and cable news the 8 p.m hour they go we're gonna do the same thing to you and you're

01:10:25.240 like many times bigger than you were at five that's that's a crazy thing that's like that signals

01:10:31.580 something is totally different about the dynamic that's primarily a technology change i think it's

01:10:36.240 that's certainly a big part of it um that now there there was uh it's also probably has

01:10:41.880 something to do with you having a younger audience than him because bill o'reilly's audience was much

01:10:46.960 older and it's much tougher to get that audience to go over to the internet i think that's they just

01:10:52.320 don't understand it as much it's a different moment and yes yes television is just it's obviously on its

01:10:58.420 way out anyway so that my timing was not that i was in charge of it but it was turned out to be good

01:11:03.320 no i mean obviously look a lot of it was things that you were in control of a lot of it was things

01:11:07.400 that you weren't mostly not in control but but the fact that we've got these kind of like alternative

01:11:14.180 platforms now which really aren't even alternative i mean this is kind of the mainstream oh yeah you

01:11:19.640 know i mean it's not brian stelter ain't the mainstream you know what i mean it's like so it's

01:11:24.640 it's you and rogan and you know candace owens show is like taken off and there's all these like big

01:11:29.680 shows yes and so okay we've got a new tool in our in our disposal here and you know it's like

01:11:37.740 part of the thing that's so frustrating to me which watching uh trump's campaign so far as it's like i

01:11:44.140 don't know who who he has running this thing but it is not it does not have the brilliance that steve

01:11:50.000 bannon had in 2016 where they really figured out like this is the lane you run in and you're and

01:11:58.200 and there's so many things about um and so anyway i guess what i'm saying is that like

01:12:02.180 these audiences man need to pressure donald trump right now to be better and to run a smarter

01:12:08.080 campaign so if you're trump what do you run on right well okay so first of all it's like you

01:12:13.140 understand that the whole appeal of donald trump was that he was a giant middle finger to the

01:12:19.900 establishment who's failed on everything there was a reason why people wanted a big middle finger to

01:12:25.600 them because they failed on everything and just just look at in the 21st century alone what has

01:12:31.980 the ruling elite handed the american people i mean like they failed uh on 9-11 they then used 9-11

01:12:40.420 to fight a bunch of wars they already wanted to fight that were catastrophic yes just absolutely

01:12:47.040 disastrous to oppress their own population yes they stripped us of all types of basic liberties that

01:12:52.920 we took humiliating us at the airport that's right yeah then they handed us the greatest financial

01:12:58.260 recession in uh in 100 years they gave us um the the obama recovery which was like the the most you

01:13:07.360 know crony recovery built off zero percent interest rates and record high government spending so the

01:13:15.200 recovery essentially was wall street and the suburbs of washington dc yes you know this then there's the

01:13:21.780 rise of wokeism all this insane stuff that they're pushing on people um now they've given us this

01:13:27.500 disastrous uh war in ukraine um all this stuff right they literally created covid yeah yeah yes they

01:13:35.480 stripped us of our civil liberties in the name of fighting something that they created in a lab

01:13:40.680 with our supposed enemy china like what they right they created the thing yes allowed and i don't mean

01:13:49.380 intentionally because i don't actually think that's the case well i'm not suggesting who knows but

01:13:53.380 they allowed the conditions for this to happen um and then used that to have the biggest crackdown

01:13:59.780 on the liberties of the american people in our in our nation's history um they and and all on the

01:14:06.220 basis of pseudoscience it was all completely wrong then this uh this this vaccine they tried to force

01:14:12.240 into as many people's arms as they could that was totally sold off lies and was actually somewhat

01:14:17.320 dangerous and totally unnecessary for the vast majority of people um and okay so they've given

01:14:24.060 all of us so like the lane here is that you donald trump represent the repudiation of all of that and

01:14:32.560 that's how you won in 2016 obviously pre-covid but that's how you won in 2016 you were a repudiation

01:14:38.320 of the bushes and the clintons not just the clintons not just the the democrat establishment

01:14:43.520 but also the last republican president you got on stage and said he lied us into war i mean like

01:14:49.580 this is what gave you that energy this year in the campaign i mean look how however you feel about

01:14:56.960 israel the fact that donald trump has made the whole campaign you know his convention is the pro

01:15:03.400 israel convention and then it's like oh kamala harris you're a she's a palestinian chuck schumer's a

01:15:09.360 palestinian they're all a bunch of left it's like well now what you're supporting the status quo

01:15:13.760 which is that america supports israel that's what every powerful person in dc believes all of them

01:15:19.100 including kamala harris by the way who's a part of an administration that is completely supporting

01:15:25.680 israel's war in gaza right now like what do you what is this weird invention and then he even frames it

01:15:31.760 as they're all these left-wing socialists you know they're all the like so he's almost like

01:15:37.180 putting himself in the position as the defender of the establishment against the radicals who would

01:15:43.720 overthrow the establishment and what have a revolution of the workers or something like

01:15:47.760 that it's none of this is first off it's not true yeah that's not at all what's going on they're the

01:15:52.580 defenders of the establishment exactly they use some left-wing rhetoric to pit people against each

01:15:58.240 other and create a culture war to distract from their terrible policies but they're not marxists

01:16:03.600 and this is so ridiculous you know what i mean and so like first of all look donald trump i'm not

01:16:09.000 saying it's painful to hear this because it's so true well look i'm not saying you have to come

01:16:13.120 out you don't have to be me okay and you don't it's just objectively true well you shouldn't be me

01:16:17.740 by the way because my if you were saying what i think it probably wouldn't get you elected you

01:16:22.660 know what i mean oh fair you can come out there and say we love israel we will always defend israel

01:16:27.960 israel is a great country um but we are we're not funding aggressive wars around so what is what

01:16:35.520 does that have to do with anything i don't see why it's even relevant um but if you want to be the

01:16:40.760 anti-establishment guy you can't take the establishment position okay so that's where you're speaking the

01:16:45.520 deepest level of truth in my opinion you were not the incumbent the incumbents have wrecked the country

01:16:51.140 yeah they're i mean off the cliff is not too strong a metaphor for what they're doing and you're

01:16:56.620 opposing that so hoist the middle finger you're opposed to that you are not on the side of the

01:17:01.720 establishment i don't understand why that's just not hard i put that on the refrigerator and just

01:17:05.700 meditate on it every day well i also will say one of the things that was kind of magical about

01:17:11.900 donald trump's 2016 campaign which really i mean it just it can't be overstated how amazing what he did

01:17:18.320 was however you feel about him yes and the guy on a shoestring budget uh went out there and just

01:17:25.020 through use of social media and his kind of bombastic personality was able to completely

01:17:30.920 dominate the news cycle and took out the bushes and the clintons the two most powerful political

01:17:37.820 families in in modern american history he took both of them out in this crazy upset and the part of the

01:17:44.900 way that he did that was that there were these issues that were like overwhelmingly popular that no one

01:17:52.540 else wanted to touch it's like there were it was like if there was like a poker game and there was

01:17:59.080 just like pocket aces that like everyone's like i don't want those cards and then donald trump was

01:18:04.940 like i'll play those cards those are very good cards i'll play uh how about how about build a wall

01:18:11.260 stop the flood of illegal immigration like how about we can have immigration but like we get to decide

01:18:16.580 who comes in and does it that's wildly popular with people open borders aren't popular no they

01:18:21.660 i mean you it's hard to even find polling on them because it's so unpopular that people won't even

01:18:26.180 ask the question you know like they ask like do you want higher levels of immigration or lower level

01:18:30.500 but the only polls i've seen it's like single digits you know maybe seven percent of people support

01:18:36.700 open borders maybe less than that but so he is just playing these but hey we shouldn't fight stupid

01:18:41.660 wars it turns out that's a wildly popular position yes however i will say with this uh you know the

01:18:48.960 majority of americans don't want to support uh israel's war in gaza but he won't play that card

01:18:54.300 for whatever reason maybe it's because he believes it maybe it's because uh jared kushner convinced him

01:18:59.360 of this or maybe it's i don't know but he's not going to play that card and just say hey we're broke

01:19:05.220 here we're 35 trillion dollars in debt that's right we can't afford to uh prop up other listen

01:19:12.120 when um i'm like a strict non-interventionist i i'm like john quincy adams i don't think america

01:19:17.640 should fight anything if we're attacked we destroy those people but that's essentially it you know um

01:19:22.760 but when uh a couple months ago went around in response to israel uh killing an iranian it when

01:19:31.700 they launched those missiles at at israel and a team of nations led by the united states all

01:19:38.080 helped defend israel it was a jordan and saudi arabia were involved too by the way which kind of

01:19:43.160 goes to show you the real dynamics of of that region um but no one's really complaining about

01:19:48.900 that like okay fine i'm a non-interventionist but like if missiles are coming toward israel go ahead

01:19:53.220 shoot them down fine that doesn't mean we have to help them that doesn't mean we have to fund them

01:19:57.520 fighting their war and then also just the fact that like there's a foreign country we're not

01:20:02.800 allowed to criticize and people's careers get ruined over that this is i'm sorry listen if you want to be

01:20:08.160 america first benji what does america first mean right it means we shouldn't have fought the war in

01:20:14.800 iraq or whatever something okay who really wanted us to fight the war in iraq you know i mean i'm just

01:20:20.760 saying it's like no like like all these guys and it's like they come back in now with the nat con

01:20:26.820 movement as uh douglas uh colonel mcgregor had a great article about this earlier this summer

01:20:31.140 um he co-authored it in the american conservative but it's like all this new nat con movement that

01:20:36.180 has all this kind of like pro israel stuff coming into it it's it's the title of the piece is a

01:20:41.160 neoconservatism by another name it was a great piece everybody should go read it um but it's like

01:20:47.220 well who do you think the neocons were who wanted us to fight the war in iraq like i said last time on

01:20:53.320 here go read a clean break a new strategy for securing the realm by richard pearl and david

01:20:58.060 wormser it was about overthrowing saddam hussein for israel's benefit like i'm not against israel

01:21:03.700 i'm jewish i like israel it's a cool country i the people there are great i'm just saying that if

01:21:08.340 you're america first then the guy benjamin netanyahu the guy who testifies before congress

01:21:13.020 that we should go overthrow saddam hussein and launch a regime change war against iran and launch

01:21:18.040 a war in libya that's not your ally the whole america first thing is that we don't think we

01:21:23.220 should go fight all of these stupid wars unless they help us right right you know unless there's

01:21:27.400 some coherent justification for them at least but so okay so donald trump he needs to just play there's

01:21:34.020 there's a few things that he could laser focus on right now and he he should donald trump should be

01:21:40.000 asking himself the question that hillary clinton asked herself in 2016 the most obnoxious question ever

01:21:45.720 but why are you not up by 50 points right now donald trump why is that oh listen no just run on this

01:21:54.580 no more stupid wars period we're not fighting any wars of choice we are only fighting wars of

01:22:00.920 necessity which we do not have any right now iran puny little iran is a threat to the united states

01:22:08.140 of america give me a fucking break it's absurd come on this is too ridiculous and he should if anyone

01:22:14.240 should he should have the courage to say no push back from anyone well that's what i'm saying of

01:22:18.680 going to war with iran so if you have a highly motivated um force pushing for something and

01:22:26.340 there's no organized resistance to it that force will prevail yeah and what i see is a bipartisan push

01:22:33.500 republican and democrat push toward war with iran no even attempt to explain why this is in my interest

01:22:39.960 why i should send my four draft days children to go die in iran yeah not even a conversation about

01:22:44.880 that so i i feel like unless i'm missing something we're going to get that war well they you know the

01:22:50.840 the problem at least it's been a while since i read this but uh um uh scott horton um who's totally

01:22:58.720 brilliant you should have him on man he's uh um he uh was like uh justin ramondo's disciple

01:23:04.600 yep uh just like he's uh he's antiwar.com and he's just like iq off the charts and he wrote the

01:23:12.060 book enough already um which is about the book about the terror uh the war on terror um from jimmy

01:23:17.700 carter all the way through donald trump and um he's he's currently writing a book on the war in

01:23:23.420 ukraine which i got an advanced copy of it's phenomenal i can't wait to send this to you when

01:23:27.160 it comes out it's so good um it's called provoked and it's just the whole story of how at every turn

01:23:32.240 perfect the west provoked the war with ukraine so good um i really can't wait for that to come

01:23:37.400 out and people to read it but you know what stopped the war in iran the first time was really

01:23:43.260 the military when when dick cheney wanted it and george w i think george w bush eventually like was

01:23:49.140 like i've been listening to this guy too much this was like by 2007 he had finally figured out like

01:23:54.120 let me stop listening to dick cheney because you know yeah but um but it was really the military it

01:23:59.620 was just like logistics like they were just like guys we do not have escalation dominance against

01:24:04.660 iran we like they yes we we're not going to lose the war but like they can target so many american

01:24:10.980 bases over there and it's just going to be a bloodbath like this isn't you know there was one green

01:24:15.680 beret who told me off camera but he told me he goes this isn't like 10 times harder than fighting a

01:24:22.280 war in iraq fighting a war in iran is a thousand times harder it's this is a whole different ballgame so

01:24:27.320 perhaps that reality will will stop it from happening but even just like even just the rhetoric

01:24:33.920 about like being tough on them it's like why why are we even talking like this why are we constantly

01:24:42.640 trying to escalate here it's so simple and it's popular with the american people no more stupid wars

01:24:49.240 look even even the the one of the amazing things and how much munich and right right i mean

01:24:56.840 chamberlain there i go again being neville chamberlain the only lesson of history ever

01:25:02.040 is neville chamberlain you're always right if you're on the side of aggression you know but

01:25:05.740 never if you're talking they don't know anything about neville chamberlain of course of course right

01:25:08.920 or the history of the war at all so they always tell you it's the most important election of your

01:25:13.420 lifetime but of course this one actually is that's demonstrable and it's also because it is so

01:25:18.480 important being censored at every level by the tech companies so we were thinking about this a

01:25:22.840 couple of months ago and we thought why not get on the road live in front of actual people live

01:25:27.660 audiences coast to coast a nationwide tour where we can't be censored that'd be good it would also

01:25:33.640 be fun so we're doing it we're going to be on stage with some of our friends some of the most

01:25:37.280 fascinating people we know the most recognizable people we know responding to what is happening in

01:25:42.260 america this september in real time it'll be just like the podcast but it's going to be live so we're

01:25:49.420 excited to announce our friend larry elder is coming to join us in milwaukee wisconsin our friend

01:25:53.740 john rich will be there with us in sunrise florida we're adding more stops we just added another

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01:26:04.020 alex jones is like have you seen him in person you should make up your own mind it's going to be

01:26:08.940 fun as hell and interesting and intense and we hope you will join us go to tuckercarlson.com right

01:26:15.080 now to get your tickets see you there

01:26:17.140 um but like but one of the things that's really interesting that's changed very drastically in a

01:26:36.080 short period of time on the kind of the right in america is that at least what i get now the talking

01:26:42.800 point for donald trump like from donald trump's supporters is that um there were no new wars

01:26:48.600 he didn't start any new wars which is i do love that that's the talking point like it's never like

01:26:54.540 he killed all the terrorists or he was so tough where the democrats are wimpy his supporters are

01:27:00.220 bragging that he didn't get us into a new war now okay i've you know the reality is that like

01:27:06.280 came pretty close actually in iran and venezuela he really flirted with new wars oh i was there and

01:27:12.720 he didn't end the wars that he said he was going to end and so there's some criticism but it's kind

01:27:17.460 of like look this is what your own supporters like about you so just run on that and then the other

01:27:22.840 thing man that he feels it too yeah he feels it i mean one thing i can say about trump having talked to

01:27:28.580 him about this a lot is that that is sincere he is afraid of nuclear war and i think his instincts

01:27:34.840 are are correct on war in general i think that's exactly right what's in it for us like what's the

01:27:39.700 point and um he's also the only leader i've ever talked to in my life at that level who routinely

01:27:45.660 says well people get killed yeah you know i'm not saying he's a you know super faithful christian

01:27:52.000 or whatever i don't know where that where that instinct comes from but it's totally real i've heard him

01:27:56.920 say it many times yeah people die and they've got widows and kids and stuff it's a big deal to kill

01:28:01.300 people no you're right he's one of the only people like at that level i mean i've heard like some

01:28:07.380 anti-war leftists well i think that but i'm not i have no power yeah but like at that level of

01:28:12.220 political power it's yeah it's like you'd never hear that like that's never even a part of the

01:28:16.100 calculation it seems um and even when trump was being manipulated by some very not good people that

01:28:22.360 he had around him like when the to strike syria it does seem like most of the reporting was that

01:28:27.860 that's how they got him was with being like look at these dead kids from these chemical attacks oh

01:28:32.960 the fake poison gas yeah yeah and then just uh you know and so kind of like played on that feeling that

01:28:38.900 he has to be like you know you got to do something to stop so one of the reasons nobody pushes back

01:28:42.780 against the the big picture claims that you know for example iran is her greatest enemy or that

01:28:47.960 putin is going to try and overrun czechoslovakia or this is freaking insane um is that anyone who

01:28:54.640 talks like that puts himself at risk and i would just you know scott ritter yeah you saw this week

01:29:00.860 at the fbi rated as how you know this is a former arms inspector u.s government employee um who's been

01:29:07.900 opposing american foreign policy non-violently for 20 years and they keep throwing him in jail for it

01:29:12.840 yeah no one cares well there is um there yeah there's there's risks that are attached to

01:29:19.340 opposing the war machine because that's that's kind of the whole game um and so look i i i also

01:29:27.580 do recognize that like i'm just you know talking shit i'm i'm into a microphone and that donald trump

01:29:34.420 the the pressures and the forces that he has to deal with here are certainly things that i don't

01:29:39.960 completely understand but from what i do understand of this is that i know it's the correct position

01:29:49.000 and it would be enormously popular with his base and then there's other things too that he should be

01:29:53.940 laser focused on i mean obviously immigration i mean this is it's unbelievable unbelievable that what

01:30:01.740 he decided was his signature issue that he ran his campaign centered around has been basically

01:30:09.500 has won the day and that that he was he was labeled a nazi for this and now you got the the mayors in

01:30:18.780 blue sanctuary cities all talking about how the influx of migrants is destroying their cities and stuff so

01:30:25.620 he's got a forever he's obviously got pocket aces right there that you play this card um and and the

01:30:31.800 other thing is the uh censorship which really should be more of a focus of his campaign and i'm i'm stunned

01:30:39.620 that it's not like he i mean he's back on twitter today by the way i've mentioned that to you in

01:30:44.520 first yeah i just saw that on my way over here in the taxi uh smart he's back on twitter so yeah has to

01:30:48.840 be back on twitter to to win this thing um but like he got kicked off of twitter and and not just him

01:30:55.200 he shouldn't make it just about him um he should that should almost be like an afterthought you know

01:31:00.600 for his campaign but like all of his supporters you know like it's in his self-interest to defend

01:31:06.440 these guys with everybody through 2020 i mean if you were like critical of the lockdowns you're

01:31:11.880 there's everybody was getting silenced left and right and that is he should make this campaign

01:31:18.240 like a referendum on free speech and that the only way free speech is going to happen is when i'm in

01:31:25.260 there and he should threaten the shit out of all of these companies he should you know uh facebook

01:31:32.840 backed off like nikita khrushchev level we will bury you yes yes that's right and and not and because

01:31:38.920 khrushchev didn't even mean it like with force he meant he meant like their economic model was

01:31:43.040 going to be better no i want force i mean with force we should listen it is that is the only

01:31:49.080 thing these companies are going to respond to but if they think that donald trump like if donald

01:31:53.140 trump could really say bitch in a believable way like you say hey google i'm i'm going to win this

01:32:01.260 election which look as of right now there's at least a very good chance he's going to win this

01:32:05.520 election and he goes my sole mission in life every morning when i wake up till i go to sleep that night

01:32:11.460 is going to be to take you guys down unless you stop censoring right now like i'm not i don't mean

01:32:17.360 when i get in i mean from now until the election if you because you know you see all this stuff like

01:32:22.440 elon musk was posting about it oh yeah easy we're like if you search for the the shooter it doesn't

01:32:27.420 come up go right to a blinker yeah yeah right yeah like the latest on ford's theater i saw there was a

01:32:33.020 reagan in article on uh on reagan getting shot and then like you know if you search trump it goes to

01:32:37.700 these kamala ads and stuff i mean he should be he should be scaring that which by the way they all

01:32:42.160 respond to that oh they're scared of government well it's why the censorship regime started to begin

01:32:47.200 with of course exactly it didn't exist democrats in congress pushed them into it well they hauled

01:32:52.160 them in front of congress and threatened all of them and then they go okay yeah sure it's so weak

01:32:57.080 so turns out voucher has covet so someone just texted me and i don't know if this is actually true

01:33:04.540 but that he had six shots i mean which would make sense i think that's that's the recommended amount

01:33:12.240 yeah how do you get if you've been vaccinated six times against something how do you get it

01:33:17.280 you should have taken eight i guess it's you really just always need more uh always need more vaccines

01:33:24.100 no but i mean it's just kind of to your point leaving aside the i think the vaccines poison i've

01:33:28.900 thought that for a long time um some people are fine when they take it other people including a

01:33:32.860 people i know or have their lives destroyed by it but either way whatever you think of how toxic it

01:33:39.080 is it clearly doesn't work and so why is this still on the schedule and why doesn't anyone say

01:33:44.760 that i just feel like we're living in this moment where the most obvious things go totally ignored

01:33:48.240 yeah and and also just the fact that there is essentially statistically zero risk for the vast

01:33:55.680 majority of people from covet i mean at this point i mean this was true in the in the original

01:34:01.360 strains but it's clearly getting the vax and getting the boosters makes you more likely to

01:34:06.160 covet i mean that's the numbers seem to show that i never got vaxed not to brag i hate to like rub

01:34:11.960 that in people's faces because i'm obviously very proud of it one of my greatest achievements but

01:34:15.240 i got coveted once i've i've been super healthy ever since then i never washed my hands never wear

01:34:21.460 a mask i'm like the dirtiest person you've ever met i'm happy to breathe the breath of strangers

01:34:27.500 on crowded commercial flights like and i never got coveted again here's fauchy's had three times

01:34:31.700 biden keeps getting it like what is that why does nobody say anything about this yeah well same same

01:34:35.960 with me never got the vax i had coveted twice and you know it's mildly sick and it was i would have

01:34:42.300 rather not yeah you know but like whatever it's fine and then i know so many people who who got it and

01:34:49.560 some of whom had the same experience as me got coveted a few times and just were mildly sick a lot of

01:34:57.520 them got it several more times than i did um and then i do know a few people who developed um heart

01:35:05.540 conditions who developed different problems and again it's one of those things where you know you

01:35:09.380 can never like with 100 certainty trace it to the vaccine but it seems like the overwhelmingly likely

01:35:14.600 thing what we can say is that it doesn't work for that for sure and what we can say with 100

01:35:21.480 certainty is that the thing was sold on lies and not just like oh they got it wrong like they they

01:35:29.580 were totally there was never any evidence to suggest that you could not get coveted or transmit coveted you

01:35:35.900 know even in the original uh what was it the pfizer study where i think like uh it was if i'm

01:35:42.300 remembering this correctly it's been a while since i read it but i think it was like in the uh unvaccinated

01:35:47.480 group two people died of coveted and in the vaccinated group one person died of coveted and

01:35:52.140 then they extrapolated from that that it's 100 you know reduction but there was still a person who died

01:35:57.560 of it in there this idea that you can't like this was never true they lied through their teeth and joe

01:36:04.380 biden at the beginning of his administration made his number one priority to by any means necessary

01:36:10.540 get every single american to take this vaccine and luckily with our like the the skeleton of

01:36:19.520 constitutional limited republic you know like procedures that we still have the supreme court

01:36:25.080 struck down the worst of of his mandates like the osha mandate which would have had every mid-size

01:36:31.600 and large business in america have to fire anyone who is unvaccinated all the people got fired

01:36:36.580 they've been made whole oh no i'm sure they haven't um and that's yeah man i mean like i know

01:36:42.940 we live in so much stuff happened so quickly that i know going like four years ago or three years ago

01:36:48.380 seems like ancient history but if nothing else i mean on that alone the democrats deserve to lose

01:36:54.160 all power that they have but they went all in on that and a lot of republicans too so rogan

01:36:59.200 who i just want to say for the record i i really love and i revere uh as a as a pioneer in media

01:37:06.100 really more than i mean roger ailes level kind of changed everything yes i just always want to say

01:37:11.480 that because i really believe it um but he seemed to uh endorse bobby kennedy then he comes out and

01:37:18.860 says no i was just i just like bobby kennedy i like bobby kennedy too for the record um he's a nice man

01:37:24.300 but i was not endorsing him rogan said and i don't really like talking about politics that much i'm

01:37:29.820 i'm summarizing uh but if you want to know like what i think just listen to dave uh that was kind

01:37:36.780 of funny and cool that he said that but give us your assessment of bobby kennedy like where what role

01:37:42.220 does he play in this race if any oh by the way so when uh rogan tweeted that and i mean like it's

01:37:47.880 just you know like i couldn't even look on my phone for like hours after that because it's just like

01:37:53.140 and he he texted me it was one of the funniest texts i've ever gotten uh rogan texted me and he

01:37:58.540 goes oh i didn't even realize that i stirred up a whole riot on twitter but i sent all the looters

01:38:02.880 to your house oh that's pretty good which was i was like yeah that is really what but i was like i'll

01:38:07.320 take them i love this i like the looters but also the moment really is it's it's because um joe is such

01:38:14.920 a like he you know i know him pretty well we're like pretty good friends at this point and um he is

01:38:20.540 exactly what you say yeah like that's him i've noticed everybody who yeah if you watch the show

01:38:24.900 you already know who he is so it's like he wasn't he doesn't even think like i'm going to be making an

01:38:31.700 endorsement today on my show about which candidate i want to throw my people's support behind he

01:38:37.160 literally just someone asked him a question and he was just having a moment like he was just like i do

01:38:40.820 like this uh bobby kennedy guy you know he seems kind of like he's read books about stuff and he wants

01:38:45.300 to discuss ideas and not just like personal attacks and i really like that i agree with that

01:38:49.620 and um yeah i mean i kind of i i tend to agree with that too i also just by the way i mean um i i was

01:38:56.820 just so furious at trump supporters who were like uh giving rogan shit for that and then i just thought

01:39:05.760 it was maybe the stupidest thing trump's done in the campaign so far was that he posted on truth social

01:39:12.840 attacking joe rogan for it and it's like man is any is anyone around him to just be like no

01:39:19.560 you don't go to war with joe rogan no that's the teacher's union you should be yeah right like what

01:39:26.600 but it's also like even whether he's supporting you or not that's your teacher's union you know

01:39:31.460 he's again like i said before it's not left versus right it's dissident versus the regime and this is

01:39:36.440 the guy who cracked the corporate media he's the guy who cracked the state's monopoly on information

01:39:42.220 that is true so come on what are you doing here and he said also he's just so removed

01:39:46.500 and it's really just the flaw in trump is that he said uh it'll be interesting to see how much joe

01:39:52.620 rogan gets booed at the next ufc event and you're like do you really think joe rogan's gonna get

01:39:59.420 booed at a u okay all right i know that donald trump i know how your your mind works and it's it's

01:40:06.380 there's great things about it and then there's things that hold you back but i know that you think

01:40:10.880 that since they love you at the ufc event they're your people and they'll hate anybody who's not

01:40:17.340 supporting you but actually they really love joe rogan and they're not gonna be booing him and

01:40:21.880 and there's it was just so stupid to fight this fight with him anyway um you know to the bobby kennedy

01:40:29.100 stuff i was when he first started running and uh i had him on my show and i was just like i just loved

01:40:38.700 the guy and um i thought you know his his positions on ukraine and on the vaccine i thought

01:40:46.120 were heroic and it was amazing what was so amazing about his campaign was that he was running as a

01:40:52.760 democrat and he's bobby kennedy yeah like his name is bobby kennedy and and he's not like some you know

01:41:01.380 peripheral kennedy who's like he's bobby kennedy's son he's jack kennedy's nephew and here he is giving

01:41:09.140 democrats this it it reminded me a lot of the ron paul presidential campaigns where because ron paul

01:41:16.600 was such a conservative person and because right after his name there was r texas you know and he

01:41:26.920 could be against the wars it was like he gave permission exactly for you you're allowed to be

01:41:32.340 against the wars you could oppose the wars and you don't have to give up your whole identity you

01:41:36.320 don't have to be michael moore in order to be no that's exactly right you could be a real american

01:41:40.680 patriot and and oppose these wars and and and in a similar fashion i felt like bobby kennedy was giving

01:41:45.860 democrats permission to abandon these which were look i mean if you think about it i said just a second

01:41:52.220 ago that the vaccine was joe biden's first you know we're all in on the vaccine and then his second

01:41:57.800 big thing was all in on the war in ukraine this is the biden administration so he's this total repudiation

01:42:03.520 of joe biden but being like the true democrat what we're really supposed to be you know yes and so there

01:42:11.080 was something amazing about his campaign um that you know i understand why he made the move to go

01:42:16.500 independent because there's there's not a real uh democratic process in the democratic party nor is

01:42:23.020 there much of a constituency at this point for that message yes that's probably true yeah um i i do think

01:42:29.500 that and and you know me and him he came back on my podcast to his credit and we argued uh about this

01:42:36.040 um i do think it's it's strained our relationship a little bit but i like i could get past um being

01:42:45.860 not being good on israel from from my perspective of course um and i could i could get past

01:42:52.640 i could probably tolerate all the way up to uh like vivek ramaswamy's position on israel which

01:43:02.700 essentially was he was like taking the non-interventionist position but doing it in a

01:43:07.500 way where it's like i am not picking a fight with a pack you know what i mean like he was like i think

01:43:11.860 his answer at the debate was something he said uh he goes i'll tell netanyahu that i'm gonna kill

01:43:16.200 the terrorists on our southern border and you go kill the terrorists on your southern borders i was

01:43:20.820 kind of like i'm not funding your war but like totally support you doing what you're doing i that's

01:43:26.780 not how i feel about the situation at all i actually i think it's really horrible what israel's doing and

01:43:31.500 it's inexcusable um but i mean i just going around with rabbi schmuley as your campaign advisor

01:43:40.460 i just like to me once i saw that i was like i'm just i can't i just can't it's too much for me so

01:43:48.660 and i do think again kind of like i'm saying with donald trump i mean he's just pocket aces you don't

01:43:54.520 want to play these pocket aces okay i mean democrats like 70 of democrats oppose this war

01:44:01.640 and want to cease fire i think 50 of them consider it a genocide on on the republican side obviously

01:44:07.360 there's a lot of america first people who could be persuaded that we shouldn't be involved in these

01:44:11.460 conflicts i think bobby kennedy had a real chance to make like if he was non-interventionist on on this

01:44:18.420 war i think he would have made some huge waves and i think that really hurt him he also he lost a

01:44:24.160 bunch of people on his campaign staff because he was the anti-war guy i had a whole bunch of young

01:44:28.480 anti-war people who were like oh no i'm not going to be a part of this now so where does that leave

01:44:33.080 him now i um as a political matter it feels like it feels like there is a significant chunk of people

01:44:43.660 i don't know how many in the millions though support bobby kennedy clearly repudiate the priorities

01:44:48.620 of the biden harris administration don't want to vote for trump i mean my sense is he's taking

01:44:55.620 potential trump voters yeah that's that might be the case you know i'm not sure exactly and i don't know

01:45:01.720 i mean if if donald trump like you know if he were to drop out of the race and endorse donald trump

01:45:11.860 um there i think there's a very good chance he could end up in his cabinet and get some type of

01:45:17.720 position out of it if trump were to win for sure um i i don't know if that's going to happen if he

01:45:23.040 stays in the race the whole time because i think it will be seen as like well no i mean you can't you

01:45:28.660 know diminishing returns for sure yeah yeah i mean you just can't do that and then expect the guy to

01:45:32.740 give you a position do you think if bobby kennedy endorsed trump which is possible i would say

01:45:38.880 it is possible um do you think that would push trump over the line um would that would that

01:45:48.020 meaningfully help most endorsements don't would that make a difference it might i don't know i you

01:45:52.520 know it's hard to tell what endorsement you know i agree endorsements actually do anything it's not

01:45:57.020 um you know it's just in general in life it's not like you know you see like obama and donald trump

01:46:05.900 who are two of the most successful political figures in the last the most successful political

01:46:11.620 figures in the last you know 15 years or so and it's not as if their endorsements seem to carry

01:46:16.920 that much weight it's not like it's not transferable like that in the same sense that like um you know

01:46:23.060 like i love your show i you were the only guy on cable news who i always watched and i love watching

01:46:29.520 your show on on your new network um and if you were like hey you got to check out this guy

01:46:35.340 someone else so you got to check out their show that would certainly get me to check it out

01:46:39.580 but it's not as if that's a guarantee that i'm gonna love it i'll check it out and if i like it

01:46:44.760 then i'll keep watching it's just you can't just transfer the thing that people like about you on to

01:46:49.380 other people i've never said a bad word about rogan i genuinely like him as a person

01:46:53.320 um i think his show like made such a massive difference in the media landscape in an american

01:46:58.340 history i'm not taking ayahuasca right do you know what i mean it's like nothing i love rogan

01:47:03.240 i'm not taking it like it just doesn't work that way and so i do wonder i really don't know the

01:47:07.400 answer but like is it bobby kennedy you know if he were to drop out and endorse trump at this point

01:47:11.320 don't people kind of already know they had the option to support donald trump and if they're

01:47:15.720 still not supporting donald no it's fair there's probably a meaningful reason why

01:47:20.060 um and one of the things that you know kind of uh is i think probably the reason why none of them

01:47:26.680 will agree to have bobby in any of these debates uh is because if they were to then the topic of

01:47:35.860 trump's handling of covid would have to come up and donald trump is kind of lucky in in a situation

01:47:41.920 like it's there's always this dynamic in some issues between democrats and republicans so like for

01:47:47.900 example um when uh barack obama was president all of the republicans at that point their criticism of

01:47:54.900 him was that he was too soft on foreign policy uh he won't even say radical islamic jihad and you know

01:48:02.200 dumb marco rubio you know points like this and so then he totally gets off the hook for his very

01:48:08.160 aggressive foreign policy and the war in libya and syria and all these wars that he started by the way

01:48:15.020 all on the side of al-qaeda and no one ever gave him any pushback from that like no one ever he never

01:48:21.580 got held accountable or had to answer for any of that because the republican talking point was he's

01:48:27.820 weak on defense and we're tough on defense and likewise with covid because the democrats whole

01:48:36.040 narrative the whole time was that he's not reacting enough no one ever really gives trump a hard time

01:48:43.120 i guess desantis tried to a little bit when he ran against him but it just fell flat it's in i mean

01:48:48.000 if you just pull the not to disrupt the flow here but if you pull the thread a little bit on why were

01:48:52.540 we aligned with al-qaeda oh yeah yeah because they're not shiites that's why because they're not backed by

01:48:58.140 iran and i've got to say i'm hardly an expert on islam to put it mildly i'm a protestant christian

01:49:04.920 however spending a lot of time around the world you know the shiites are pretty sophisticated

01:49:09.960 actually and i do think that our portrait of what your average shiite is like is totally wrong

01:49:14.720 completely wrong there are a lot of very cosmopolitan persians like very cosmopolitan

01:49:20.360 very pro-western very smart very interesting not savages at all i mean i'm not you know endorsing

01:49:26.740 the foreign policy aims of iran at all or their system or anything and i'm not endorsing islam

01:49:30.500 either branch but the idea that the shiites are like animals that's that's bullshit well also that's

01:49:37.720 just ignorant i mean look there's lots of problems even in the shiite world i mean there's oh of

01:49:42.600 course you know it but there's um but they're also not our enemies well exactly like they haven't

01:49:48.260 they haven't attacked us and they haven't attacked europe i mean they're even the houthis i've i was

01:49:54.440 taught as a child to hate the houthis it's also freaking insane of course i never heard of the

01:50:00.280 houthis tell about 20 minutes ago and they became our historic enemy it's um you know i think essentially

01:50:06.340 what happened right because if you think it's like really al-qaeda and isis are the two terrorist

01:50:12.620 groups that have actually hit the united states of america and europe and you know what i mean like

01:50:17.640 committed acts of terror against them both were armed and funded by the west um at different points

01:50:24.040 um and that's pretty appalling when you think about it but really i mean what happened is and i don't

01:50:29.920 know exactly how much of this was the propaganda or how much of it was genuinely believed by by people

01:50:37.960 who were pushing it um but the certainly the stated propaganda which was stated when benjamin netanyahu

01:50:46.120 testified in 2002 in front of congress as a regional expert and explained how if you overthrow saddam

01:50:52.280 hussein democracy will sweep the region this will put pressure on iran and then they will have less

01:50:58.580 influence on the region they and a lot of these neoconservatives seemed to actually believe this

01:51:04.320 now i don't know if they did it seems to me like some of them actually did it's the dumbest thing in

01:51:09.460 the freaking world to think you would have believed there you had um in iraq where you have a shiite

01:51:16.300 majority that is held down by a sunni minority that if you overthrow that government and install the

01:51:25.260 democracy which means the shiites right like because they're 60 of the country so they win

01:51:30.460 that this will hurt iran was insane and anyway so what ended up happening after the iraq war after

01:51:38.080 we toppled saddam hussein was that iran got drastically more influence in the region now it's

01:51:43.640 possible that people like dick cheney and benjamin netanyahu and them kind of knew that was going to

01:51:48.800 happen and then they were like well then we'll just topple around next so it'll all be fine i don't know

01:51:52.600 exactly but there's no question and there was a piece i believe it was in the new yorker

01:51:56.700 uh called the redirect in either 2006 or 2007 where basically what was decided was that now that

01:52:07.060 we iraq backfired so much and and iran has so much more power in the region that now we got to go take

01:52:15.880 the shiites down a peg and this is really what was behind like uh the attempt to overthrow bashar al-assad

01:52:23.180 and by the way this not overthrowing our democracy and not putting bounties on u.s soldiers head in

01:52:32.840 afghanistan or whatever the other lies that they made up about vladimir putin the real crime that

01:52:38.720 vladimir putin committed was he denied the u.s a regime change in syria and you could look at the

01:52:45.080 way vladimir putin was talked about before syria verse after syria it is so stark george w bush said

01:52:53.740 he looked into vladimir putin's eyes and he was a good christian and hillary clinton had her reset

01:52:59.200 button it wasn't until he denied the american war machine a regime change that he became adolf hitler

01:53:06.660 he's hell-bent on reconstituting the soviet union and all this other crap that's really what it all

01:53:13.320 it all started saved assad apparently he was close to hefez al-assad charl assad's father and um assad

01:53:21.160 called him and said i need your help and he dispatched troops immediately which by the way

01:53:25.440 you know whatever you think the geopolitical balance or whoever side you're on that is kind of the the key

01:53:33.160 to long-lasting alliances is defending your allies with troops when they ask you to right and

01:53:41.580 the you know the biden administration has not done that to like legit allies um whatever well also

01:53:47.760 and and he was motivated to do it i think because he didn't want to see isis take over damascus which

01:53:52.720 was a real threat at that point and they were driving around in toyota trucks murdering all the christians

01:53:58.140 yeah yeah and in the most barbaric brutal way crucifying the christians but you're not allowed

01:54:04.140 to notice that or something and tulsi gabbard is anti-american for caring what happens to the

01:54:09.200 christians of syria um i think we're fast approaching a period where the people who've lied to us in all

01:54:14.580 these different subjects should just be quiet like be quiet like why you know is there somebody's demand

01:54:20.140 that like i'm sorry david from or whomever like your opinion is just not even relevant morning joe like

01:54:25.900 nobody like why are we allowing yeah it's like you've got everything wrong you know truly but i

01:54:32.280 think it was i think i heard you use the uh the analogy or metaphor uh but you're the um it's like

01:54:39.140 the old like once they see your face they have to kill you that's right or once you see their face

01:54:43.200 yeah once the kidnapper right like that's kind of his mask and there is this feeling and i do think

01:54:48.520 this is also part of what freaks them all out about donald trump is that okay so first of all like

01:54:55.320 we were saying before he's leading a movement of really every tough man in america pretty much

01:55:00.840 loves donald trump yeah maybe not every but you know the the overwhelming majority of tough men in

01:55:05.940 america love donald the non-tim walls ones yes that's right including um and the well-armed ones

01:55:11.240 including many people in law enforcement and the military yes you know and so he's got that then he's

01:55:18.460 running a campaign that is very specifically pointing a finger at dc and saying these guys

01:55:27.380 screwed you over and he's also like a wild man like he can't control what he says it's the most charming

01:55:34.740 and frustrating part of donald trump you know what i mean like even if he wanted to he couldn't control

01:55:39.720 himself you know what i mean like he's gonna say it it's gonna come out of his mouth and then he's

01:55:43.900 saying things on the campaign trail in 2016 like and you know he says it in this kind of sloppy

01:55:49.880 trumpian way but but he would be like obama created isis you know obama did that which is like not

01:55:57.400 exactly true but like there's a lot of truth to it you know like it's it's like well no he didn't but

01:56:03.160 he did knowingly fund and arm them and that is treason literal treason like yeah that is exactly what

01:56:11.820 treason is especially if he wasn't doing it on behalf of the united states well right and well

01:56:16.600 exactly and so now if you imagine okay now this wasn't just obama who did this i mean this was uh

01:56:24.120 this was brennan um in operation timber sycamore right like this was the planet john kerry's even

01:56:29.620 on tape talking about how they knew they saw isis was getting the the weapons and stuff but they were

01:56:34.220 like hey like you know we'll just keep promoting this myth of the moderate rebels which is so ridiculous

01:56:38.980 and then that'll put pressure on assad to step down so this is how we're going to get our regime

01:56:42.380 change war and then isis went and invaded iraq they weren't supposed to do that and then obama had to

01:56:47.300 go back into iraq to kick him out but the the point is that this is actual treason you know like

01:56:53.600 arming giving material aid and comfort to the enemy like al-qaeda in iraq and in syria

01:57:01.960 is getting weapons from america that is treason and now you got this guy who's essentially calling

01:57:09.320 you out for treason who might be the president of the united states of america like the punishment

01:57:14.060 for treason is the death penalty and i i do think like i think donald trump himself didn't even

01:57:21.180 realize oh i agree what enemies you're making when you say so and how much power they have

01:57:26.400 like you you know like who's the last president who like fired the head of the cia and made a big

01:57:33.380 thing about how he was going to smash it into a million pieces what happened to him he took a

01:57:37.420 limo ride through dallas right so it's like donald trump i think was totally naive about like you know

01:57:45.160 he he knew there was a swamp that needed draining but i don't think he knew what was in that he wasn't

01:57:50.880 watching schumer on rachel maddow's show right right and i do think you know um being in the world of

01:57:56.140 business gave him a lot of correct instincts and but it's like no man there's just nothing like this

01:58:02.460 government isn't the business world government is the criminal organization world which you know

01:58:10.260 maybe he probably had a little bit of experience in but sure in a real estate the painters union or

01:58:14.580 whatever yeah but you know running casinos and stuff like that i'm sure he's kind of been around

01:58:19.060 but not like this man that's nothing compared to you're talking about the cia that is a whole

01:58:24.580 different right these are not paving contracts right this is control of the world yeah and so

01:58:29.560 there was just all of this you know uh got this tremendous reaction and he's still dealing with

01:58:35.880 that i'm a little bit confused that for two years we were told that the vanguard of the fight for

01:58:42.700 democracy was unfolding in eastern ukraine was really it mattered much more than anything in our

01:58:47.940 stupid meaningless lives here in the united states and that's why all good people wore the blue and

01:58:52.600 yellow lapel pin and put the little flags in front of their houses in napa and all that

01:58:56.320 and then one day we just stopped hearing anything about ukraine what was that well i mean the um

01:59:02.840 it was all built off lies and it's been a disaster like all of these wars and it's not gone at all the

01:59:10.160 way it was supposed to i mean remember there was a period where uh joe biden at the very beginning of

01:59:15.380 the war was just with sanctions we're going to defeat russia we're going to destroy the rupel and you

01:59:20.700 know but make everyone in russia poor and that'll be so great and we wouldn't even have to send in

01:59:25.020 weapons and then of course we had to and of course just all the lies ukraine is winning ghost of kiev

01:59:29.140 all you know these crazy just obvious lies um and so ultimately you're at a point where yeah you don't

01:59:36.840 really want to talk about that because there's nothing you can point to and and brag about but isn't

01:59:42.680 it crazy you know i did a um a debate on uh on this topic on um on breaking points um and uh um

01:59:51.880 that's which a great show and you've you've been on uh with crystal and and sagar yeah i know sagar

01:59:58.380 well yeah oh that's right he used to work for you right yes yeah yeah he's great i love that guy yeah

02:00:02.880 i do um but so i was on uh i i did a debate on that show and i was kind of like talking about how

02:00:08.420 it was crazy for all these people who have like the ukrainian flags and we care so much about

02:00:12.440 ukraine and all of this stuff it's like do you recognize that we we hold all the chips like the

02:00:19.260 united states of america holds all of the chips we could get this war to stop in almost any way we

02:00:25.040 wanted to if we want to just play our ultimate trump card which is that we'll leave nato i mean

02:00:33.400 there's no reason for us to be in nato anyway it hurts america it totally makes no sense it's i know

02:00:38.000 you know i know you've talked about a bunch like it's like this was started after world war ii

02:00:42.680 because europe had been totally destroyed america was like the only advanced you know country that

02:00:48.960 was like left standing and hadn't had their homeland you know wrecked by the thing and then there's this

02:00:55.740 soviet union and so these guys can't defend themselves we have to kind of work on this deal

02:00:59.900 that we we're not going to let you invade western europe or we'll come to their defense and now it's

02:01:04.700 like europe is rich america's 35 trillion dollars in debt and oh yeah the soviet union doesn't exist

02:01:10.800 what's the point of this thing being here and vladimir putin would do almost anything to get

02:01:18.760 that to happen to get america to leave nato it would be nothing but good for us we just wouldn't

02:01:23.500 be subsidizing other rich countries defense he could take it as a huge victory of course you know what i

02:01:29.240 mean you could get almost anything you want and if you guys care about ukrainians and ukrainians

02:01:33.160 dying so much why not why not just make this deal we could do it right now i mean we're not getting

02:01:38.540 crimea back to ukraine that's not going to happen but who cares you know what i mean you could get

02:01:43.080 almost any you could get the end to the war immediately if you were to do this you know how

02:01:46.680 many jobs now occupied by people with no skills whatsoever totally pointless people pure parasites

02:01:53.840 on our economy and culture would be lost yeah if we get rid of nato yeah well that's the problem

02:01:59.440 that's 100 the problem that's the issue it's why not get rid of the energy department yeah the

02:02:03.320 education department i mean they've served no purpose other than self-perpetuation they've

02:02:07.620 and they've made all of those areas much worse of course than they were right it's like unbelievable

02:02:13.500 i mean like the state of education in america what did it get a lot better since was it jimmy

02:02:18.180 carter i think created the department of education it's like what and of course like right i mean this

02:02:22.900 it's you know because this model doesn't work it should have been the one lesson of the 20th

02:02:28.260 century that model doesn't work centralized control does not work this is why all of those countries

02:02:35.260 failed and continue to fail everywhere it's tried and now we're doing it and we're failing because

02:02:40.420 it benefits the few so let me circle back to the beginning of the conversation here at the end

02:02:44.200 you haven't been here in two and a half months maybe a lot has changed all of your kind of core

02:02:54.200 suspicions have been confirmed i think by the assassination attempt and the subsequent coup

02:03:01.020 where does that leave you like do we just spent a couple hours talking about how bad things are

02:03:06.480 and about all the signs that they're ominous signs that they're about to get much worse

02:03:11.020 does that make you feel afraid hopeful excited a combination yeah probably a combination i would say

02:03:19.240 you know which by the way we didn't even really get into the coup but it is pretty crazy how much

02:03:23.520 of a blatant coup we just watched and then i've seen people like uh um like democrats on on social

02:03:29.960 media and stuff and they'll uh they'll call like people like us out and they'll be like well first

02:03:34.640 you said the guy was too senile to run and now you're saying it was a coup when they removed him

02:03:38.660 you're like yeah both are true i don't know what to tell you the guy is clearly senile and also

02:03:43.060 he is still the president of the united states of america and there's a process here i mean they'll

02:03:48.660 say and it's just the one thing i can't get over is not that people disagree with me i assume people

02:03:54.520 are always going to disagree with me i'm often wrong so it's like it's okay to disagree with me

02:03:58.040 what i can never metabolize except deal with is people's willingness to just say anything you just

02:04:04.860 like move because it's expedient yeah the capacity for lying among certain people just blows

02:04:10.600 my mind you tell joe scarborough you got to say this because there's some material advantage to

02:04:16.800 he will say it no matter what it is and all that way it's like how would you describe threatening a

02:04:24.320 man until he agrees not to run for president again and then installing somebody without a vote like

02:04:30.760 that's a coup and by the way it's totally unclear and i would say we don't know for sure but i would

02:04:37.400 say like the high likelihood is that he didn't ever agree to it until after the letter was out i mean

02:04:45.740 look it is so you cannot overstate how bizarre it is that a few weeks before the democratic convention

02:04:54.640 when joe biden had already gone through a couple weeks of all these calls for him to step down at

02:05:01.800 every single turn said no i've made up my mind i am not stepping down it's me versus trump so get used

02:05:09.780 to it i beat him last time and i'll beat him again this time that morning the morning that the letter

02:05:16.060 comes out was sunday his surrogates are going on the sunday talk shows and saying enough with like an

02:05:23.900 hour before the letter they go enough of this he's made up his mind he's running even after pelosi and

02:05:30.120 schumer meet with him even after the 90 million or whatever is held back from his he's like no i'm

02:05:35.260 and then you're telling me the sitting president of the united states of america a few weeks before

02:05:41.320 the convention is announcing that he won't be seeking re-election and this is not done in an

02:05:46.720 address to the nation this is done on personal stationary and just tweet it out and then in a

02:05:53.960 separate tweet he endorses kamala harris and it's not for days later that we hear from the president

02:06:00.820 like that is crazy i mean i know so many crazy things are going on that it's like it's almost

02:06:05.820 easy to not appreciate how crazy that one is but it's and you could say oh he had covet or whatever

02:06:12.700 they just get up i don't know put on one of those masks that you guys pretended worked for so many years

02:06:17.720 and like go but he can even be an edited video it doesn't have to be live i mean just like i know he

02:06:22.120 stumbles a lot or whatever it could be two minutes but how do you not address the american people about

02:06:27.640 that and it just it really seems like and of course i hersch had that reporting on on the call with

02:06:33.440 obama where they threatened they had kamala harris on board we're going to invoke the 25th amendment

02:06:37.520 but my suspicion is that that phone call happened you know like the the schumer and pelosi strong

02:06:44.660 arming didn't work obama comes in we're going to remove you from office and this will be your

02:06:49.400 legacy and then the letter is tweeted out already and it's presented as a fait accompli to him it's

02:06:56.500 all over and then eventually he goes but what does it say i mean if the sitting president of the united

02:07:01.040 states purportedly the most powerful man in the world doesn't have enough power to run again for

02:07:07.740 the job he currently holds he cannot he's not allowed to it's not none of it's real the presidency is

02:07:14.540 not real the president doesn't hold the power i mean they just showed us that yep so it's then how

02:07:19.900 do you i mean people are not thinking this through how our system is voluntary all systems are how do

02:07:26.160 they expect us to accept the election results abide by those results pay our taxes how do they expect

02:07:32.720 us to obey when the system has been revealed as illegitimate yeah well it's the only way would be

02:07:37.820 some type of escalation of force you know i mean that's the only way to do it i i will say though that you

02:07:43.360 know much like when the soviet union collapsed and was largely peaceful you know and was kind of like

02:07:51.300 a really amazing thing it was very peaceful and now what happened in the years following it was not

02:07:56.000 good and that didn't need to happen and you know no but they pulled their nuclear weapons out of all

02:08:00.520 their satellite states they dissolved the warsaw pact i mean that happened by the way 33 years ago this

02:08:05.840 week oh yeah yeah i was on my honeymoon and uh and you know there there were people at the top who

02:08:14.100 wanted to not let it happen like no escalate the force and don't let this happen put down these

02:08:19.520 revolts like they had done previously and ultimately they just kind of lost and like enough people were

02:08:24.800 just like no just let them go you know it's not so that's you kind of hope that something like that

02:08:31.000 can happen in the united states of america and that doesn't mean like a national divorce type thing

02:08:35.900 which is something that has become kind of a popular thing that some people advocate for um but it does

02:08:43.220 mean some type of like decentralization of power and washington just having much less power than it

02:08:52.040 currently does have um i think that it is then i said this to you last time it's the great case for

02:08:58.940 optimism is that all of this government tyranny relies on propaganda and the propaganda is being

02:09:06.280 broken at an unbelievable rate uh things that would have seemed unimaginable very recently in my adult

02:09:15.500 lifetime like not you know generations ago but just years ago um and we're seeing that now and people

02:09:22.680 are waking up in a very profound way i i mean it really is it is all fake and more and more people are aware of that

02:09:31.260 uh like it's you if you zoom out and go like from my mother's you know when my mother was my age to me being

02:09:39.500 this age it is unbelievable how much more people understand that this is all fake you're right propaganda is the

02:09:45.860 key i mean joseph goebbels not to make everything a nazi reference but it was 5-4 crippled never fired

02:09:52.480 a gun on his life except into his own head in the end never commanded an army you know he was the

02:09:58.680 political chief of berlin but he was the propaganda chief and therefore he was the pivotal person in

02:10:04.200 the nazi government he was because he was in charge of people's brains and so that you cannot and i'm not

02:10:10.540 comparing anyone to the nazis i i hate nazi references in general but that's just true right

02:10:15.960 propaganda is kind of everything actually yeah and that it's it's the most powerful thing to control

02:10:22.920 it's more powerful than controlling the laws or the money yes that is absolutely right you control what

02:10:29.020 people think you know you control narratives and it's amazing i mean look it's still very effective

02:10:34.360 oh i know it's not nearly as effective as it once was um but it is still that and you see it like

02:10:39.640 when people get taken over by the propaganda it's such a bizarre thing i mean you're like it's like

02:10:44.480 talking to someone and there's no soul there when they just repeat back the propaganda to you or

02:10:50.040 something was oh january 6th was an insurrection you're like i'm not having a conversation with you

02:10:54.180 i'm having a conversation with like what don lemon convinced you you're supposed to believe no people

02:10:59.520 who've fallen for that yeah i mean i don't know in like my close circle or anything like that but what do

02:11:07.980 you think i know i'm so far afield again but i'm just i'm i'm i don't know the answer to this

02:11:11.980 what distinguishes someone who falls for the crudest kind of propaganda january 6th was an

02:11:17.660 insurrection don lemon smart whatever the lie is from you some of these people are smart i mean it's

02:11:24.440 not just an iq difference oh no no it's not an iq difference oh i know people far smarter than me

02:11:28.500 who fall for it oh yeah no question about so what is it i i don't completely know i think there's

02:11:34.600 something about um there there's there's

02:11:37.980 it's like human beings are we're we're pack animals you know and that's like very at the

02:11:43.980 core of us yes you you stay within the pack because like out here is death yes you know

02:11:49.020 when like so like you stay in here right yeah and there's something there's a personality type that

02:11:54.260 certain people have it's not again it is not about being left or right it's not at all but there's

02:12:00.280 something where people have you know like there's there's people who like i disagree with on a lot of

02:12:05.760 issues but like alex berenson is very willing to go outside i totally he's like okay oh you want to

02:12:12.180 like have all these arrows come at me okay fine you know glenn greenwald is very willing to do i

02:12:16.460 think you're very willing to do that berenson's such a great example because i i really like

02:12:21.220 berenson i text them all the time um but i just absolutely disagree with him on a lot of a lot

02:12:25.760 of issues but i will never during covet he was so great i mean his sub stack was like a cathartic

02:12:31.080 i totally agree and it was he is smart berenson's smart he's a good reporter um i think he's a really

02:12:36.580 nice guy but but really his indispensable quality was bravery yeah that's right that's what made

02:12:41.400 him different that's it because look i mean like he was in yeah you were in and you're in the new

02:12:46.740 york times you're in all this and you're gonna risk all of that just to be right yeah about

02:12:51.140 something you know i mean like it doesn't even make sense when i say it out loud you're like why

02:12:55.140 would you do that it's a terrible calculation no it's totally true but there are some people who

02:12:59.020 just do kind of so that's you know but when you um so many of the people who and this is something i

02:13:06.740 don't say this like attacking right-wing america i just it's something like to be humble about but like

02:13:11.540 in 2002 in the run-up to the war in iraq so many of these people who are like great now about seeing

02:13:19.380 through all of this just knew it as a certainty that like obviously saddam hussein has nuclear

02:13:24.660 weapons and he clearly was involved in 9-11 and like he's gonna hand these nukes that he doesn't

02:13:29.740 have off to the terrorists he's not friends with and they're gonna nuke kansas if unless you go support

02:13:34.480 overthrowing him they just knew that as a matter of and essentially what are you some type of wimp

02:13:39.080 if you don't agree with them on that and they didn't even kind of realize that they were they

02:13:43.440 were doing the exact same thing as some 20 year old who tells you about climate change totally

02:13:46.860 you're just repeating lies that someone else put into your head like they you are a puppet right

02:13:53.620 now you know what i mean and you don't even realize it and so but it was like i don't know

02:13:59.100 that was the culture they were in that was the world they were in they saw these towers get hit and

02:14:03.580 what are you a pussy no you were gonna go do something about that and so it's people play like

02:14:09.660 people's sense of identity is very important to them i remember okay one time i was uh

02:14:16.860 my i have a younger brother uh who's much younger than me he's 13 years younger than me from my

02:14:21.920 mother's second marriage and uh he's he's great unbelievable uh kid i love him to death and so

02:14:27.760 anyway he was i think he was three years old so i would i was 16 and i was watching a knicks game

02:14:34.340 i'll never forget this three-year-old uh kid and he comes over to me and he was like asking about it

02:14:40.900 and i was like here come watch the game with me and uh so we're sitting on the couch he's three we're

02:14:44.660 watching a knicks game and he he looked at me and he went well which one is me

02:14:51.620 and i was like what do you mean which one is you it was i was like oh we're rooting for the team in

02:14:57.480 the blue shirts and then he kind of accepted that like okay that's but i just remember always thinking

02:15:02.960 there's like this it's like so profound that that's what's in us it's like okay you want me to

02:15:07.640 like get into this like kind of it's projected abstraction so who am i what defines me like

02:15:14.940 that's so important to people it's like right at the core of everything it's like who am i

02:15:19.900 like as a as a person like what's my identity and i think that for like look you saw this with um

02:15:27.280 with like broadly speaking like liberal america well during covid it's like their identity their

02:15:35.140 whole identity is that they're the scientific people you know you you guys are the backwards

02:15:40.780 rubes who believe in superstition and religion but we believe in science and reason and love this is

02:15:46.280 what makes us better that's their identity so once you tell them that it's like well the science says

02:15:50.860 this it was so easy to get them in it's why it's so easy to get them in on climate change and then

02:15:55.740 with like more conservative america their whole identity is that like they're the tough ones yeah

02:16:01.440 who defend the country who exactly who aren't wusses who will who will defend the constitution

02:16:06.800 and so as soon as you fed them a narrative that that you know gave them that identity it was so

02:16:11.560 easy to fool them with all this other stuff so i do think that's a big part of like they're very good

02:16:16.760 that's what the propagandists do do at their best is they play off your you know sense of self your

02:16:23.880 identity it's moral judo yeah yeah use your body weight against you they take your momentum and pull you

02:16:29.660 exactly way past where you thought you would be but more and more people are waking up to that

02:16:33.960 stuff now and so that's good well you've had a big effect on a lot of people including me and i

02:16:39.420 appreciate dave smith you're coming uh i mean tucker i could do this all day long good well i hope you

02:16:45.760 come back before we're both arrested that would be nice we can say once again man it's only been two

02:16:50.300 and a half months but everything's different yeah i hope i mean even if if we could just share a cell

02:16:54.380 once we get arrested that would be real free just continue this uh on and on i will i will never submit

02:16:59.200 thanks man thank you thanks for listening to tucker carlson show if you enjoyed it you can go to

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