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00:00:26.300 at tucker carlson.com here's the episode what do you think of kamala harris uh i think she is a

00:00:35.480 politician yeah and uh she's interested in the accumulation of power and control do you think

00:00:43.820 she believes in anything uh i think she believes in government like most marxist yes i think she

00:00:52.240 is a marxist do you think that she can win absolutely she can win this is this is going

00:00:59.280 to be a great test of the power of the media to take someone who formerly was universally

00:01:09.140 disliked and transformed them into a god-like figure and they will use everything that they

00:01:17.300 have to try to do that the question is are the american people smart enough to see through it

00:01:24.940 and i actually think the american people are smarter than anybody gives them credit for

00:01:31.280 and i don't think that they are going to be willing to sacrifice what we have in this country

00:01:37.740 which is what everybody else wants even though they try to denigrate our country

00:01:42.020 say we're systemically racist we're unfair to people if we were all that bad why are all these

00:01:47.500 people trying to get in here and why aren't people trying to get out of here so we know that we have

00:01:52.740 something that's very good and i think the american people realize that and they're not willing to give

00:01:57.540 that up and trade that for something inferior were you surprised um it's interesting that you said the

00:02:06.080 media are the key for kamala harris were you surprised how quickly the media pivoted from

00:02:12.760 basically forcing joe biden out of his job to adoring and worshiping kamala harris uh no that didn't

00:02:23.740 surprise me at all uh because i've been watching the media uh for a number of years and i see how they

00:02:31.240 they're like a flock of birds have you ever noticed a large flock of birds and they all turn at the

00:02:39.360 same time and they all go and you say how in the world are they doing that they almost have this

00:02:45.060 cohesive communication and uh they work together i i accused uh one of the media of that uh about a week

00:02:56.260 ago and they said how can you say that about us then i started talking about how they use the same

00:03:02.820 language within minutes of the time that something comes up is it just a coincidence that they use the

00:03:08.740 same language and the same phrases they had to admit that there probably was some degree of cooperative

00:03:16.780 work going on there do you think that there's coordination or it's a conspiracy of shared

00:03:26.100 instinct they're all they all have the same world view uh both i think both of those things are going

00:03:32.860 on but there's no question that they have lost their original intent the the media the press is the

00:03:44.360 only business that's protected by the constitution and there was a reason for that it's because they

00:03:50.120 were supposed to disseminate unbiased information to the people so that the people could determine

00:03:57.760 what their will was because the country was supposed to be run on the will of the people

00:04:01.360 now you know the europeans thought we were crazy they said you can't have a nation that's run on the will

00:04:08.300 of the people you have to have a monarch you have to have a ruling body

00:04:11.380 um but we have demonstrated for a very long time that we can run on the will of the people but

00:04:20.460 that is being distorted significantly because the press has instead of deciding to disseminate

00:04:28.980 unbiased information they have decided to put their thumb on the scale and to push a certain agenda

00:04:34.860 which when you think about it makes little sense because the agenda that they're pushing

00:04:41.380 is more of a socialist marxist agenda well what do socialists and marxists do when they get in power

00:04:50.880 they control the media it's almost the first thing that they do yes so they're digging their own grave

00:04:57.200 how responsible do you think media coverage is for trump getting shot

00:05:06.920 there's no question that they poison the atmosphere by saying you know he's like hitler and he's going

00:05:16.940 to destroy democracy and uh is sort of satan incarnate you know when you have

00:05:27.180 people who perhaps are not fully capable of controlling themselves they can easily be influenced by that kind

00:05:40.460 of activity and it's just wrong now i would quickly hasten that it's done on on all sides in the political

00:05:52.060 arena you know spending time demonizing other people

00:05:56.160 um because somehow they think that that helps and it does help for some people

00:06:02.160 wouldn't it be amazing if we could actually discuss the issues yes um what are the policies

00:06:11.180 that actually impact people's lives if we could spend nearly as much time on that as we do talking

00:06:18.760 about each other and integrating each other i think we could make some real progress

00:06:22.460 and i think we might actually find that there's more agreement than you think there is

00:06:28.720 i'd say 80 of issues your most radical left-wing and right-wing people would probably agree on

00:06:36.420 but we take that 10 to 20 percent and we magnify it and we make it the biggest issue

00:06:42.380 uh to the point that people hate each other

00:06:45.140 what do you think um would happen if kamala harris got elected president

00:06:51.880 um i think we would continue to move in a very leftist direction

00:07:00.020 i mean she was the most radical left-wing member of the senate she was even to the left of

00:07:08.960 bernie sanders uh she was a co-sponsor of the green new energy deal um you know she wants

00:07:17.840 medicaid for everybody mandatory no private insurance uh as the da

00:07:27.700 uh she was the one who basically didn't want to punish people uh who were guilty of horrendous crimes

00:07:37.400 and repeat offenders and she wanted open borders and all the things that we see happening

00:07:46.720 you can put those on steroids if she becomes the president and i hope people will go back and look

00:07:54.980 at her record uh don't just listen to pleasant words that will be interspersed with uh ridiculous

00:08:02.580 laughter but uh go back and actually look at what she what she did and what she has said and i think

00:08:10.700 people will remember why she got no traction at all uh when she was running for president

00:08:17.620 i'm really struck by that i'm i'm struck by how little popular support she's ever had ever so now

00:08:27.460 according to some polls she's the well she's the sitting vice president but she's the front runner

00:08:32.360 in this race um how did how did that happen in a country that's supposed to be

00:08:39.340 run by its people that's a representative democracy it's well i mean you talk about a threat to democracy

00:08:47.100 when the votes of 14 million people are just tossed into the wastebasket and a bunch of uh backroom

00:08:57.680 politicians make decisions you're talking about the primary votes right uh then we end up with somebody

00:09:04.740 uh who on their own merits would never have been in that position uh that's a real problem

00:09:13.560 and uh there are consequences for doing things like that you know the reason that our country

00:09:19.620 accelerated from a bunch of ragtag militia to the pinnacle of the world is because we had a process

00:09:25.560 and it worked well and it reflected the will of the people when you throw that out you can't

00:09:32.100 anticipate that things will continue to go smoothly they won't and uh you know we've just thrown a big

00:09:39.700 kink in the whole thing and uh hopefully the american people will correct it you know i think our

00:09:48.820 founders were very very smart people and they studied every single governmental system that had

00:09:55.520 ever existed in the history of the world and they were eclectics they extracted the good things and they

00:10:01.880 excluded the bad things but one of the things that they noticed when they studied all of these

00:10:07.320 governments is that all governments move in the same direction regardless of how they start regardless

00:10:14.300 of how lofty their ideals are they grow they infiltrate and they dominate and they wanted to give us a

00:10:23.300 government that wouldn't do that would that would leave the people free and in charge and that's why

00:10:30.000 they work so hard and as you as you know it was very raucous and there were a lot of different opinions

00:10:37.960 about how to do that and in the last uh convention in philadelphia constitutional convention the whole

00:10:47.080 thing was about to dissolve everybody go their separate ways and elder statesman benjamin franklin 81

00:10:54.140 years old said stop gentlemen let's get down on our knees and let's ask god for wisdom and they prayed

00:11:01.360 and they got up and they resolved their differences and gave us the constitution which i believe is a god

00:11:08.140 inspired document but if we neglect it if we don't adhere to it then we will suffer the consequences

00:11:18.060 and that's what the battle is right now the battle that's going on in this election

00:11:24.760 it's not about democrats and republicans it's about people who want a country that is up for and by the

00:11:32.860 people and people who want a government that is up for and by the government that's what this is about

00:11:39.480 so if you were in charge of donald trump's campaign is that what you'd run on

00:11:46.980 i would run on that and i would run on policies i would not run on personalities

00:11:52.960 uh you know that's a distraction it's very tempting with kamala harris

00:11:58.920 it is tempting but you know much more tempting to me is uh trying to make sure that uh we show the

00:12:10.440 contrast between those two systems because they are very different you know one of them

00:12:16.560 will create a situation where the workers control their own lives control their own budgets

00:12:25.360 and one of them is a situation where you turn everything over to the government including

00:12:31.060 your hard-earned wages yes and they decide what to do with them

00:12:35.540 do you know kamala harris no i've never met her you do know donald trump very well i know him very well

00:12:48.120 when did you meet and when did you decide you liked him the first time we met was at mar-a-lago

00:12:54.660 and uh this was maybe about 10 years ago it was before either of us got into the political arena

00:13:02.920 and uh we were just enjoying each other's company and someone says rod stewart just came in he said i

00:13:10.840 don't care this is ben carson i knew what kind of person he was at that point and uh you know my my

00:13:16.980 whole family was with me and my mother and you know it was a easter program and he just made sure

00:13:25.620 that we were comfortable and that we were taking care of especially wanted to make sure my mother was

00:13:30.560 comfortable uh and there were all kind of celebrities and and important people walking around and he was

00:13:38.560 just trying to make sure that we were comfortable and that's the kind of person he is i noticed

00:13:45.320 you know the the workers the people who served the meals the people who parked the cars he knows those

00:13:52.680 people yeah he knows their names he knows their families the same thing at trump towers uh when i went

00:14:00.320 there uh and he seems to be a genuinely caring person it didn't take long before you know he knew my

00:14:10.220 family knew their names uh he's just that kind of person as opposed to the very superficial

00:14:16.720 politicians who are always playing to the cameras and uh couldn't care less about you once you got out

00:14:24.960 of the camera range you've seen that too oh i've seen that many times absolutely but then you ran

00:14:32.220 against each other in the republican primaries and it didn't seem to to wreck your relationship

00:14:40.100 no uh well we discovered pretty early on in the process uh that we were very compatible

00:14:47.640 and you know i was not a person who really particularly wanted to be president

00:14:53.980 uh you know i i ran because there was so much insistence that i ran after i gave the presidential

00:15:02.900 uh keynote for the presidential prayer breakfast and i had over 500 000 petitions in my office there

00:15:11.900 were people every place i went with signs run been run and you know i really didn't want to do it but

00:15:19.100 there was just so much pressure i just said to the lord if you really want me to do this

00:15:25.440 you got to give me all the stuff a person who runs for president has a rolodex with all the important

00:15:31.620 names a lot of money an organization and i said i don't have any of those things nor do i intend to

00:15:38.920 develop them the next thing i knew they were all there and our organization was raising more money

00:15:45.260 in a month than the rnc it was incredible but um during the campaign you know we talked

00:15:53.460 and i told him that god chose him that he was going to win you know there were a whole bunch of us

00:16:02.140 running i said you're going to win because god is going to use you to help save our country

00:16:07.240 and uh he did how'd you foresee that because i i knew the kind of policies that he espoused

00:16:17.560 and that those were the things that were needed to turn our country around there were the same

00:16:22.700 things that i was thinking about the difference was he wanted to do it and i didn't so that's why

00:16:30.380 i endorsed him so quickly when i dropped out what did he say when you told him you believe god had

00:16:35.360 chosen him to save the country what was his response uh i don't remember his specific words but he was

00:16:41.160 kind of taken aback that that i would say that and he reminds me of that very frequently and i think

00:16:52.300 he's really thinking about it since the assassination attempt uh recognizing that he's there for a specific

00:17:00.900 reason and uh you know i had a hard time when i dropped out uh convincing my followers to go with him i got a lot

00:17:12.380 of calls particularly from the evangelical leaders you know and i just said no don't be swayed by all the

00:17:23.220 noise look at the policies that this man is putting forth because we have to save our country and think

00:17:33.840 about all the people who preceded us and the sacrifices they made we can't throw it all away

00:17:39.100 and we've got to be able to overlook some of the things that the media is going to try to focus you on

00:17:47.560 those aren't the important things when it comes to a leader and i explained to them that you know this

00:17:54.840 was a man who made his way in the real estate market in manhattan one of the toughest real estate

00:18:04.900 markets anywhere in the world i said you're not going to be successful in that market unless you're

00:18:12.100 very tough and uh that means you may have some rough edges and we just have to recognize that and be

00:18:20.320 able to move beyond that and see that this is a man whose policies do you agree with those policies or do

00:18:29.240 you not and uh several of the leaders then came and started thinking in a different way and we had a big

00:18:38.320 evangelical uh rally you know at first it was going to be like 50 pastors it ended up being 2000

00:18:48.700 and at that time i think uh he realized that boy this is an incredible block of people that we

00:19:00.440 need to be working with so much poison now in our public square and if you take almost all of it and

00:19:07.800 trace it to its roots you'll arrive at the same place the higher education system in the united

00:19:13.140 states this is coming out of our colleges and universities and it's not an accident radical

00:19:18.280 professors and administrators have transformed higher education into this country into an

00:19:23.160 indoctrination factories specializing in teaching anti-american anti-human ideologies that's not an

00:19:29.120 overstatement so instead of encouraging civil debate in the pursuit of truth which was the point

00:19:34.520 universities teach students that they should become social activists deranged social activists

00:19:41.080 and that's the highest level of achievement so instead of shaping american citizens who defend

00:19:46.500 their rights and are proud of their heritage to keep the country going and our civilization intact

00:19:50.680 universities instead celebrate global citizenship and promote contempt for the achievements of the

00:19:57.160 west hatred of our own civilization instead of teaching students to behold nature and its undeniable

00:20:03.780 god-created beauty they push anti-science nonsense like transgenderism and climate panic and the worship

00:20:11.780 of public health bureaucrats dumbest of all most importantly instead of providing education that seeks

00:20:17.780 transcendent truth truth from god universities teach students to reject the concept of the divine and think

00:20:26.900 only about themselves institutionalized narcissism the results of this of course is sad american universities

00:20:34.100 once the envy of the world have become hostile mediocre places but there's at least one college that stands

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00:25:30.980 so then you went to work in the administration yes what was that like uh i had a very hard time in the

00:25:39.940 beginning uh obviously because i didn't have a deputy secretary for eight months and i didn't have any

00:25:50.020 assistant secretaries for five months because they were playing politics uh didn't want to give me the

00:25:57.140 people i hoped that maybe i would go away but of course that just makes you more determined to stay

00:26:03.220 yes and once we got the right people in place it was wonderful um you know we were very much

00:26:11.380 aligned with the idea of getting rid of the regulations when i was running for president you

00:26:16.260 know i talked about how that was the major cause of sluggish economy we had such so many regulations we

00:26:24.500 got rid of over 2 000 regulations that had regulations and sub-regulations which made it much easier to get

00:26:31.620 things done and of course we had a situation you always heard the stories about the malfeasance the fiscal

00:26:42.100 problems going on at hud you probably noticed a year and a half into the trump administration you never

00:26:47.700 heard those stories anymore because we were able with uh much cajoling and arm twisting

00:26:57.620 to get one of the former senior partners at ernst and young to come on and uh really to to take on

00:27:08.500 the the whole hud uh organization which was difficult he said in the beginning he said he looked at the

00:27:16.340 books and he said uh ernst and young would never have taken you guys as a client no but uh fearing

00:27:23.940 criminal exposure exactly but um it was fixed and probably is now the best run uh agency uh in

00:27:34.100 washington dc i hope they haven't destroyed it all by now but it made it much easier to get things done

00:27:40.580 it was easy to work with president trump because he realized what we were doing understood you know the

00:27:47.300 business of of real estate of housing and was a tremendous partner in getting it done would you go

00:27:54.740 back into a second trump administration um let me put it this way i am fully dedicated to helping to save

00:28:03.620 our country and uh you know there are a variety of ways that that can be done and i will be following

00:28:11.460 the guidance from the good lord in terms of which is the best way to do that so trump was getting more

00:28:18.020 support from african americans than any republican since nixon i think maybe even more than nixon does

00:28:26.900 kamala harris change that uh there's no question that there will be some people who will vote for

00:28:33.620 her just because of the demographics that she represents yeah physically uh but i'm not sure it's

00:28:42.260 going to be as great as they think you know when she was running for president she didn't get a large

00:28:49.460 amount of black support and i know the media is going to do everything to make her seem like

00:28:55.540 martin luther king in a different body but i think people maybe are not going to be as easy to manipulate

00:29:06.180 as that and i think trump will continue to attract a lot of people in the black community because his

00:29:14.900 policies recognize that a rising tide lifts all boats and you know i don't think black people are

00:29:24.660 particularly interested in having an advantage of everybody else they just want a level playing

00:29:32.020 feel something that works for everybody and i think that's one of the reasons that that trump is

00:29:38.980 attracting so much attention kamala harris wouldn't be an obvious kind of leader of african americans and

00:29:48.820 she's you know grew up in canada uh had a jamaican immigrant father an indian immigrant mother

00:29:57.220 doesn't i mean that it's not obvious why she would be the choice of african americans i guess no

00:30:03.940 it's it's the perceptions yeah and of course a lot of it will be driven by the media who will try to make

00:30:10.500 her seem like you know she's the second coming of christ but uh i just don't think that that's going

00:30:18.900 to work uh in this particular case not to mention the fact that in the past at least she has not been

00:30:27.140 an inspirational individual and uh you know her speeches have certainly not been the kind that would

00:30:36.020 have people fired up and saying yes we will we will go to the end of the earth for this woman

00:30:44.500 so uh i hope she has some really good speech writers yeah i mean it's just it's interesting

00:30:50.740 if you can get kamala harris elected president um you know you've kind of proven that the democracy's fake

00:30:58.740 i think well you know uh nancy pelosi once said i can take this glass of water and i can put a d behind

00:31:06.740 it and get it elected um there's no question there is a machine and there is a mechanism for doing

00:31:16.580 things so you saw how effective it was uh in pennsylvania for fetterman at a time when uh before he

00:31:26.500 recovered from his stroke he was a basket case he couldn't talk and yet he was still able to be

00:31:32.900 elected over someone who was very articulate and very logical uh dr oz so it's no one should underestimate

00:31:44.660 the impact of that machine and what it can do i don't think we're allowed to talk about voter fraud on

00:31:53.220 youtube which tells you that it's real um but are you concerned that letting in tens of millions of

00:32:03.540 people illegally um will have an effect on the outcome of this election well of course it will

00:32:09.700 i mean that was that's the whole purpose of it and i've talked to people who told me you know they

00:32:16.740 in baltimore go into the uh voting station and just vote they didn't have to show any id they didn't

00:32:26.580 have to do anything i remember uh one person who worked with me said i went in there and they told

00:32:33.140 me to vote and she said do you want to see my id and they said no we don't need to see your id so

00:32:39.620 think about that and multiply that by hundreds of thousands or millions of people it can have a

00:32:47.140 profound effect on the election but also think about the fact that when people come in here illegally

00:32:55.780 they get legally counted in the census which then is used to help determine how many representatives

00:33:04.100 they have to have so it has an impact that way also so it definitely has an impact it's just a matter of

00:33:11.140 how great that impact will be and as time goes on and you get more representatives lean left then you get

00:33:21.300 legislation passed that becomes very friendly to people who've entered this country illegally

00:33:30.500 and uh you can profoundly change it to a point where we'll never uh move in a different direction

00:33:38.180 how far away from that are we now do you think i think we're uh one or two elections away from that

00:33:47.300 and that's why it's so vitally important uh that we have people who can explain this

00:33:53.860 in a way that people who are not legal or political scholars understand what's going on

00:34:04.900 and uh are not so easily manipulated we have to recognize that we're being manipulated and this goes

00:34:12.420 back a long way there have always been people who have not been happy with the united states and with

00:34:20.900 the way that we do things and uh you can go all the way back to 1963 and look at the congressional

00:34:29.300 record january the 10th 1963 congressman her long of florida read into the record the 45 goals of

00:34:37.380 communism in america and how they plan to fundamentally change our society uh it was derived from

00:34:46.020 a book called the naked communists by w cleon sconson who was a cia agent and had done a lot of study

00:34:59.860 on communism and its effect and you look at those 45 goals it was things like gaining control of the

00:35:09.300 public school system and the teacher unions uh so that you can indoctrinate the kids gaining control

00:35:15.780 of the news media and hollywood so that you can manipulate the opinions of people denigrating the

00:35:22.420 role of the family denigrating the role of the church getting into the churches and changing the real

00:35:29.620 gospel to the social gospel making sexual perversion normal natural and healthy i mean just right down the

00:35:37.300 line all the things and the things that are happening in our society right now and we the american people

00:35:44.260 are the pawns who are being manipulated and it's one of the reasons that khrushchev was so confident

00:35:52.740 when he talked to eisenhower and said that your grandchildren's children will live under our system

00:35:58.740 we won't have to fight a war because we think we won the cold war but they had a much better plan

00:36:07.860 on how to actually change us and we're falling for it and we the american people have got to wake up

00:36:15.620 before it's too late and we've got to understand that part of the the goal to overcome us is to divide us

00:36:24.100 on the basis of race age income gender political affiliation religion yeah because a house divided against

00:36:34.100 itself cannot stand jesus said it abraham lincoln reiterated it and it's absolutely true and you

00:36:42.340 look and you see what's happening to our society you know we are neighbors and friends and co-workers and

00:36:48.500 colleagues we are not enemies and look at the first letter of each of those words we are not enemies w-a-n-e

00:36:58.180 wane we've allowed hatred and division to wax for a long time now it's time to let it wane and come

00:37:05.460 together once again it's okay to disagree about things it doesn't make someone your enemy just because they

00:37:11.540 have a different yard sign or a different opinion it doesn't change the fact that that's your neighbor

00:37:18.340 and you think about the early days in our country when you had communities sometimes of 50 or 100

00:37:27.220 families they came from different areas of the world in many cases they could barely talk to each

00:37:32.340 other because they spoke different languages but they understood a concept called the common good that's

00:37:41.540 language that you see in much of the writings of our founders the common good what's good for all of us

00:37:48.660 not what's good for the polish section or the german section or the african section but what's good for

00:37:57.060 everybody and that was one of the things that made the difference you know if it was harvest time and

00:38:04.900 mr johnson broke his leg everybody else harvested his crops they didn't say are you a democrat or republican

00:38:12.740 what's your religion no they said you're my neighbor and you need help that was one of the

00:38:18.260 real strengths of our nation and we're allowing that to be destroyed we're being manipulated and one of

00:38:24.660 the reasons i believe that that's happening is because we are the major obstacle to one world

00:38:33.220 government and one world domination but we cannot be overcome militarily so you have to overcome us by

00:38:41.300 destroying us from within one of the reasons that people talked about the common good and believed that

00:38:48.260 it was important is because they were christians and therefore they believed in the moral equality

00:38:54.580 of mankind because every person is created by god um there that doesn't seem to be a common view

00:39:01.860 in the way that it was even 20 years ago and at the same time the u.s government seems openly hostile

00:39:08.260 to christianity particularly the biden harris administration replacing easter with trans visibility

00:39:13.300 day etc putting people in prison for praying in abortion clinics etc etc do you notice this this hostility

00:39:20.180 toward oh without question but uh recognize that that's part of the overall plan of marxism now marxism and

00:39:28.980 communism is very anti-religion because they want you to be dependent on government they don't want you to be

00:39:37.060 dependent on god and they want you to believe that they have the ultimate say in everything so naturally

00:39:45.300 they're going to be they're going to be uh anti-religion and anti-god and it's sad to see

00:39:52.500 i mean when you look at television uh the way that they mock christians and christianity

00:40:02.260 and uh you saw all of the uh protests that occurred recently when the governor of louisiana

00:40:12.100 said we're going to have the ten commandments in the schools and uh the governor of oklahoma and the

00:40:19.860 legislature said we're going to teach bible and the ten commandments oh no no you can't do that

00:40:27.780 this is horrible uh separation of church and state you know the constitution says nothing about

00:40:34.500 separation of church and state by the way uh that's been distorted uh tremendously but

00:40:43.700 i like to ask these people exactly why don't you want the ten commandments to be taught

00:40:50.580 what is wrong with thou shalt not kill what's wrong with thou shalt not steal thou shalt not commit

00:40:55.860 adultery thou shalt not lie thou shalt not envy honor your parents what's wrong with those things and of

00:41:02.500 course they never have a good answer for what's wrong with them because there is nothing that's

00:41:07.140 wrong with them and uh you know these are basic principles of civilization and you can go to the deepest

00:41:15.380 darkest jungle of borneo and if you find a thief what does he do he waits until nighttime when nobody can

00:41:23.060 see him and he goes and still why did he do that because he knows it's wrong there is such a thing as

00:41:29.620 right and wrong and there's nothing wrong with us teaching that to our children

00:41:35.540 i don't think they've gotten rid of religion in the public square they've just changed the religion

00:41:40.660 and it's now transgenderism and and environmentalism right um but that's it's

00:41:50.420 recognizable to immediately as a theology

00:41:53.460 no it is and their belief in it is it's very strong and they go so far as to want to punish

00:42:01.300 those who disagree with them and make life very difficult for them i think we're in a situation now

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00:44:39.540 the greeks invented marathons so if you've ever run a marathon you're greek half marathon movie marathon

00:44:46.740 you're greek gotten a blister been out of breath walked in a pair of sneakers or even just owned a

00:44:52.100 pair of sneakers that's good enough you're greek so eat like it that means ordering slow roasted

00:44:58.260 lamb shank on a beautiful bed of rice from jimmy the greek you deserve it you champion marathon runner you

00:45:04.900 you're greek eat like it with jimmy the greek hashtag give me jimmy

00:45:16.260 was it strange for you to go your well actually like trump you were very famous before you entered

00:45:23.380 politics and also like trump but to a greater extent really than trump you were loved by the media

00:45:31.140 empire institutions um was it strange to go from being a hero to a villain basically overnight uh

00:45:40.420 it wasn't strange it was it was expected uh i recognized that that would likely occur

00:45:48.340 but then i had to ask myself what are you here for and why has god used you in this way and why

00:45:56.500 has he given you such amazing accomplishments and a platform and obviously it was not to look for

00:46:06.340 the approval and adulation of mankind it was to fulfill your duty to god and bring praise and honor and

00:46:15.860 glory to his name so it never really bothered me particularly when a lot of the mainstream said he's a

00:46:23.780 horrible person and uh you know he's a horrible person never mind the fact that he saved thousands

00:46:32.420 of lives and came up with all kinds of new ways to do wonderful things uh he's a horrible person because

00:46:41.460 whatever they believe is not what he believes uh and the good thing is that i don't encounter a lot of

00:46:50.740 people who feel that way you know when i go to the airport you know when i came in here yesterday

00:46:58.420 and i went to the airport i had a line of people waiting to take pictures with me and to shake my hand

00:47:05.540 and to thank me and that's what i find you know just about every place i go so the the mainstream media

00:47:13.300 you know they do their best to demonize anybody who doesn't agree with them but i don't think they're

00:47:21.620 as effective as i think they are i think that's exactly right how have you been so successful how

00:47:29.140 have you been able to be so successful in your personal life uh again it goes back to my relationship with

00:47:36.580 god and you know my wife and i we start every day reading from the bible and praying and you know god

00:47:50.820 is an essential part of our lives and we taught that to our children how long have you done that with

00:47:57.860 your wife since we've been married which is 49 years where did you meet her uh we met at yale

00:48:07.700 back in the days before it was quite as radical as it is today we were both from detroit and we didn't

00:48:14.100 know each other in detroit but uh we went to yale and people who knew both of us were always saying you

00:48:22.740 two should get together you two would just be magic caught together and finally we did get together it

00:48:30.180 was interesting because uh the university was trying to get some more diversity and uh so they would pay

00:48:41.780 your way home for thanksgiving if you would recruit for them in the detroit public school system

00:48:47.860 um and uh so the two of us agreed to go back and recruit uh and uh you know during that recruiting

00:48:59.540 period we discovered we we kind of liked each other uh we're actually driving back to new haven from

00:49:09.380 ann arbor and we were going to drive all night to get back in time the next day

00:49:15.300 and we both fell asleep on interstate 80 going 90 miles an hour awakened by the vibration of the

00:49:24.660 cars it was going off the road and i grabbed the wheel and turned and the car just started spinning

00:49:31.220 instead of flipping over and going down the ravine it just started spinning and it stopped pointing in

00:49:37.300 the right direction just in time for me to pull off as an 18-wheeler came through of course we were quite

00:49:44.420 awake at that point and we just knelt and prayed and we thank god for saving our lives and that's

00:49:54.420 the night we started going together and we said the lord saved our lives for a reason amazing yeah

00:50:02.100 and that was how old that was on the 28th of november 1972 and we celebrate the 28th of each

00:50:08.980 month we call it our month anniversary really for over 50 years you've done that for 50 over 50 years yes

00:50:19.940 amazing and you had three sons and you have eight grandchildren correct and you're close to all of

00:50:25.860 them absolutely how did you do that god once again was always at the center of what we did

00:50:35.300 and we would have family worship my mother lived with us too while the kids were growing up which was a

00:50:42.500 tremendous blessing and uh we would all choose two verses from the bible usually from the book of proverbs

00:50:53.540 and read them and interpret them

00:50:55.780 and uh so the boys became very familiar with with the bible and its interpretation

00:51:05.220 and talking about it and we of course went to church every week

00:51:09.860 and uh continued to make god a very important part of our lives in fact one of my one of my boys is

00:51:18.740 married to his wife is a minister really yes

00:51:26.420 what was your mother like my mother was perhaps the wisest person i've ever met uh

00:51:34.500 you know she was from a huge rural family in tennessee uh dire poverty uh shifted from home to home

00:51:44.820 never had a place to really call home got less than a third grade education in order to escape dire

00:51:51.620 poverty she got married at age 13 and she and my father moved to detroit he was a part-time minister

00:52:02.260 and a factory worker uh she subsequently some years later discovered he was also a bigamist

00:52:09.140 had another family and uh of course that resulted in a divorce and she had raised us by herself how old were you and your parents split up

00:52:19.780 i was eight years old oh

00:52:21.780 and it was devastating to me i just prayed every night that the lord would help my parents to get

00:52:28.820 back together but it never happened later on i realized why because you know my father was into

00:52:36.980 gambling and booze drugs and women women are okay but you only need one yeah and uh best best to

00:52:48.660 lend yourself to one that uh that probably would not have been a good influence on me

00:52:53.620 so uh it actually turned out well but my mother had to work very hard to keep a roof over our head

00:53:02.980 and she worked as a domestic but she was also a spy and um she says i cleaned these beautiful homes in

00:53:11.220 these beautiful neighborhoods i'm gonna spy on them and see how come they're so successful

00:53:16.900 and she concluded that they were so successful because they didn't watch a lot of tv and they

00:53:22.580 read a lot of books that was her conclusion that was her conclusion so she came home and imposed that

00:53:29.780 on me and my brother and we were not happy campers and uh in today's world we would have called social

00:53:35.780 services but uh we had to we had to read the books and uh you know she uh wanted me to read up from

00:53:46.580 slavery yeah booger t washington great book the whole ideal self-sufficiency and uh as i started

00:53:55.860 reading books about people of great accomplishment surgeons and explorers and inventors and entrepreneurs

00:54:06.020 i began to realize that the person who had the most to do with with you and your success was you

00:54:12.100 it wasn't somebody else it wasn't some circumstance i stopped listening to all the negative people who

00:54:20.180 were saying you can't do this you can't do that society is stacked against you i just threw all that

00:54:24.740 stuff in the garbage and i got to the point where if i had five minutes i was reading a book and in the

00:54:32.900 space of a year and a half i went from the bottom of the class to the top of the class

00:54:36.580 and uh it had a profound effect on everything i did but the other thing about my mother

00:54:46.180 is as difficult a life as she had she never allowed herself to be a victim

00:54:52.980 and uh she never made excuses and that was a good thing the problem was she never accepted excuses from

00:55:01.060 us either so if you became self-pitying or blamed someone else what did she say the next thing out of

00:55:07.700 her mouth was a poem called yourself to blame you're the captain of your ship and you know it goes

00:55:14.100 through several different verses she knew the whole thing by heart and we didn't want to hear that poem

00:55:19.540 so we stopped making excuses how did she get that way i don't know um she was rather unique

00:55:30.980 she was ahead of her time and you know she was illiterate uh when she was making us read books

00:55:39.940 and submit to her written book reports which she couldn't read but we didn't know that she would

00:55:45.940 put little marks and things on and checks and act like she was reading on we didn't know she couldn't

00:55:51.460 read um but she did eventually teach herself to read got her ged went to college and in 1994 got an

00:56:03.540 honorary doctorate degree and uh so she was dr carson too amazing how how long did she live with you and your

00:56:13.700 wife uh for close to 20 years it was wonderful having her influence on the boys as they grew up

00:56:23.540 because they got the same kind of treatment that my brother and i got

00:56:29.140 whatever happened to your father did you ever see him the last time i saw him was at my wedding

00:56:35.780 when i got married um and i i didn't have any any hard feelings toward him i was at that time

00:56:49.060 understanding why he left the picture and that it was probably a good thing rather than a bad thing

00:56:57.940 but of course uh i am very pro-family and very pro-traditional family nuclear family uh you know

00:57:08.580 that's why i wrote the book you know the perilous fight overcoming our cultural war against the american

00:57:18.980 family uh because if you look at the think tanks the liberal think tanks and the conservative think tanks

00:57:28.420 and all the study groups they all agree that children raised in a traditional

00:57:35.620 nuclear family do much better on all parameters than those who are not and yet we find ourselves

00:57:45.700 not really pushing the traditional nuclear family you turn on a television series

00:57:51.700 you know within five minutes you get introduced to a non-traditional family

00:57:58.580 and not only as acceptable but as the preferred thing and there is a real war on traditional families

00:58:09.620 there's a real war in terms of

00:58:11.860 children and the formation of families the average uh birth per woman now is down to 1.6 you need 2.1 just to

00:58:24.340 maintain the population uh and then we have people getting married very late if at all

00:58:31.380 uh and uh that of course depresses the birth rate as well so we have a real cultural issue that's going on

00:58:41.380 that needs to be dealt with we need to be encouraging uh marriage and family and family formation and birth of

00:58:51.700 children and uh not succumb to uh the other influences one of the popular things now is dink

00:59:02.260 uh double income no kids and because you get to lavish all of it upon yourselves you don't have to worry about

00:59:10.900 anybody else but what about when you're 80 or 85 years old and you don't have another generation who's

00:59:19.700 concerned about you people need to begin to think beyond their immediate gratification

00:59:27.460 and also raise the question like what's the is the point of life to go on vacation

00:59:31.780 exactly what is the point of life and you know and i wonder about that for people who don't

00:59:39.220 have a belief in god a belief in the hereafter a belief in the goodness of people what is their

00:59:48.180 point and i guess their only point is let me have as much fun as i can because then i'll be gone and

00:59:56.100 that'll be the end i would i i would be very depressed if that was the way i thought yeah it doesn't it

01:00:02.900 doesn't seem that fun no so if you were giving counsel to i guess you've already done it with

01:00:09.540 your own boys all three are married and have children but if you were giving advice to a 25

01:00:15.540 year old young man what would it be well i would say what do you what what are you good at

01:00:25.780 because first thing you need to do is i hope you're working and if you're not working uh you need

01:00:32.580 to find out what career you should be pursuing everybody's good at something but uh so often

01:00:41.940 people do things based on what other people's success is and not on what their gifts and talents are yes

01:00:50.340 and uh for instance when i started medical school i did very poorly on the first set of comprehensive

01:00:58.820 exams so poorly in fact that my counselor told me to drop out of medical school he said you're not

01:01:05.380 cut out for medicine and you're just going to torment yourself and everybody else and we're going to help

01:01:10.900 you get into another area i was devastated i'd only wanted to be a doctor since i was eight years old

01:01:17.300 i finally get to medical school and the person who's supposed to help me says drop out

01:01:20.900 and um you know i immediately sought wisdom from god and i started thinking what kind of courses

01:01:32.260 have you always done well in and what kind of courses have you struggled in and i realized i did well

01:01:37.300 in courses where i did a lot of reading i struggled in courses where i listened to a lot of boring lectures

01:01:42.580 yeah because i didn't get anything out of boring lectures like zero and i was six hours a day

01:01:50.100 so i made an executive decision to skip the boring lectures and to spend that time reading

01:01:55.860 and the rest of medical school was a snap after that and years later when i was back at my medical

01:02:01.780 school as the commencement speaker i was looking for that counselor because i was going to tell me

01:02:06.820 he wasn't cut out to be a counselor because some people are just negative negative negative and they

01:02:13.460 can always figure out why you can't do something but they can't figure out how you can do something

01:02:18.900 and we really need to be positive influences in our spheres of influence and that's what i would tell

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01:02:35.140 and throw yourself into a career because when you're young that's when you're energetic

01:02:45.380 that's when you're likely to accomplish a lot you look at nobel prize winners and physics and mathematics and

01:02:52.740 things like that they usually don't get the prize until they're in their 50s 60s or 70s but it's for

01:02:59.220 work they did when they're in their 20s and 30s i know i've noticed that so you know when you're young

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01:05:44.180 so what i mean maybe more than maybe more impressive than having three successful sons so that's pretty

01:05:54.100 impressive is um being with the same woman happily for over 50 years which you have pulled off so what

01:06:02.420 specific advice would you give to married men for keeping your marriage intact and happy

01:06:08.900 i would say remember what attracted you in the first place

01:06:18.500 and work on that but make sure you have fun together uh you know spend quality time together

01:06:25.540 you know i enjoy to relax playing pool playing pool playing pool when we got married my wife did not know

01:06:33.940 how to play pool but she became a very good pool player because she says that's the way i can have

01:06:39.780 quality time with you do you play at home yes absolutely we have pool tables everywhere really why pool

01:06:52.340 it just relaxes me did you play as a kid uh i learned when i was a teenager how to play

01:06:59.140 and uh you know just the angles and figuring out which kinetic energy all that stuff has always been

01:07:08.820 enjoyable to me are you good um yes

01:07:18.660 a surgeon's precision brought to the pool table exactly and just you know doing things that you that

01:07:25.700 you enjoy together so that means you were in pool halls in detroit in the 60s no no we had a little

01:07:33.860 table it wasn't a slate bottom table and it it wasn't particularly straight um but it was something

01:07:42.660 that you could learn the principles on why do pool tables have slate in them pardon my ignorance because

01:07:50.500 if if if you have a wood foundation it can warp yes and you need that table to be very smooth and

01:07:58.820 very level so that's why they do it oh so you still play pool with your wife absolutely who wins

01:08:08.340 i win most of the time but if i make a mistake you know she can clean a table

01:08:12.900 amazing it's it's very good by the way were you in detroit in the summer of 67 for the riots uh yes

01:08:25.140 yep july the 23rd 1967 i was there tanks rumbling down the streets um it was pretty awful but you know

01:08:38.420 what's interesting uh about that situation is the city was absolutely torn about apart there was

01:08:46.580 a lot of racial hatred and uh it was like a war zone exactly one year later the detroit tigers

01:08:58.980 were doing extremely well they went on to win the world series for the first time in 37 years

01:09:08.580 the city was one everybody was brought together because they were so excited about the tigers

01:09:17.620 and uh the moral of the story is look at the things that bring you together yes emphasize those things

01:09:26.420 not the things that tear you apart

01:09:31.940 what do you think happened so the detroit of i mean pre-67 detroit was a

01:09:36.500 you know a functioning affluent city well detroit at one point was the most affluent city in the

01:09:44.580 country yeah i mean they had everything going for them but uh you know a lot of corruption started

01:09:52.100 uh unfortunately causing a real problem plus detroit was a one-horse town yeah and that's never good you

01:10:01.380 need to really diversify so combination of those things uh led to a pretty big decline and then

01:10:12.020 criminal activity uh became a real problem it went from the murder city to the murder city

01:10:20.820 and that was very problematic so when you came back on vacation from yale from college did you notice the

01:10:27.860 difference oh yes absolutely and i remember how difficult it was to get a summer job

01:10:36.980 because at that time there was another issue that was going on japan and the japanese car industry

01:10:46.740 toyota and dotson and all of these things were having a huge impact

01:10:51.300 uh on the automotive industry throughout the world and it had a negative impact on detroit so that along with

01:10:59.460 the other issues that we just talked about uh really took its toll on detroit do you go back

01:11:07.620 uh occasionally but uh not very often i don't have any family left there what's the neighborhood you

01:11:16.020 grew up in like now uh well i grew up in two different uh neighborhoods uh the first neighborhood the one i

01:11:24.900 was born into in southwest detroit it was uh a lot of gi homes and uh they were i thought they were pretty

01:11:37.780 nice homes to me they were like paradise they're they were small like 700 square feet but they had

01:11:47.620 like a little yard in many cases there was a little garage and uh people worked hard and they were proud

01:11:56.980 of their homes they tried to keep them up uh after the divorce um we couldn't live there anymore

01:12:05.780 uh and uh in fact we were homeless for a little while and we ended up where'd you live when you

01:12:13.780 were homeless uh with different people stayed in their homes but uh one of my mother's sisters

01:12:25.060 in boston and her husband took us in oh it was a typical tenement large multi-family dwellings boarded

01:12:33.620 up windows and doors sirens and gangs rats and roaches murders both of my older cousins who we

01:12:40.260 adored were killed i mean that was the kind of place that it was but it but at least it was a roof over

01:12:47.140 our heads uh for a couple of years until we were able to get back to detroit still in a multi-family

01:12:54.340 setting with plenty of wildlife but nevertheless she was independent at that point

01:12:59.860 and the goal was always to get back to that first neighborhood and uh you know after a couple of

01:13:08.340 years my mother worked very hard and we were able to get back to that neighborhood

01:13:14.820 have you have you seen it in the last 20 years yes i actually went back to it uh with president trump

01:13:22.100 how is it um it looks largely the same some of the neighbors were still there

01:13:31.380 who were there when i was growing up it was it was very nice to see them but uh you know it has the

01:13:39.780 wear and tear obviously of a few decades but people still try to take care of their property

01:13:47.460 and you know it it helps me to realize how blessed i've been

01:13:57.140 uh just in terms of being able to navigate around the world to own properties to do all kinds of things

01:14:10.020 that i never would have thought was possible you know people say the american dream is dead it's not

01:14:15.380 dead by any stretch of the imagination but it required a lot of work

01:14:24.660 extremely dedicated hard work for many many years people don't just give you stuff nor should they

01:14:33.220 but as i tell people all the time if you work hard and you make yourself valuable and people need

01:14:41.060 you guess what they pay you and you do okay so you were in detroit after the riots when coleman young

01:14:51.060 first became mayor he was the i think the first big city american mayor to be explicit about race

01:14:58.740 politics right and the idea was we're going to get some for the people of detroit and but it was

01:15:05.140 explicitly racial it didn't i don't think it worked detroit didn't get richer no it didn't work at all and

01:15:13.860 what it did is it it pushed a lot of the white people out of the city yeah almost all of them yeah and uh

01:15:22.500 you know the city didn't benefit from a lot of the things that more affluent people brought to it

01:15:31.220 it and it deteriorated very rapidly at that point and you know interestingly enough

01:15:40.340 uh i think people have learned that people are people yeah and detroit's been making progress over

01:15:46.260 the last few years yes um and the mayor there uh duggan he's white but uh he is

01:15:58.180 a people person i mean he became mayor by walking from door to door going into people's living rooms

01:16:08.740 talking to them finding out what their needs were developing relationships between people

01:16:14.900 you know he not only got elected but he got re-elected and uh has been working with uh you know

01:16:22.180 several business entities and trying to bring real revival to detroit

01:16:31.220 you were raised in a world it sounds like by your mother where

01:16:35.380 merit was the measure absolutely uh she pushed excellence and uh you know to a large degree both

01:16:46.020 my brother and i worked really hard in school because we wanted to please her because we knew

01:16:55.620 what she was doing for us we understood that you know she could have taken up the offers of

01:17:05.700 some people many of them were well-to-do individuals and kind of forgotten about us but she didn't

01:17:13.780 you mean you mean gotten remarried and she never did she never did and she was always thrilled with

01:17:24.340 what we were doing after working two or three jobs a day if i had a concert she would come to the concert

01:17:33.620 what would your brother wind up doing uh he became the rocket scientist i became the brain surgeon and he

01:17:44.820 became the rocket scientist and uh did anyone else in your neighborhood do that well the kids you grew up

01:17:52.260 with uh well i mean there was some some people a few people who

01:18:00.580 you know not well known or anything like that but uh i think two of my classmates at southwestern high

01:18:11.220 school became physicians wow and uh at least one became a lawyer

01:18:18.820 and so you know they were they were sporadic people but you know at that time there was

01:18:24.340 much more of a push uh for people to do better than their parents and now you don't see it as much you see more

01:18:37.060 people saying that system is against you and you're a victim and we gotta march for your rights and

01:18:45.780 you know you know you need to do what you need to do in order to get your own and if

01:18:52.660 you know if that's taking stuff from somebody else that's okay

01:18:57.940 those are not good messages for people we need to remind people that people are people and that uh

01:19:07.380 you know you make your own bed and you lie in it and uh if you want to get ahead

01:19:15.300 there's mechanisms for doing that but it requires hard work and one of the reasons

01:19:21.140 that people who come here as immigrants do so well is because they look around and they say

01:19:28.420 wow you mean all i gotta do is work hard

01:19:31.460 all i gotta do is go to school and do well that's all and i can have whatever i want to do

01:19:40.020 it's amazing i was talking to a young woman from uh cambodia uh well she's not so young now but she

01:19:48.900 was young when she came here when the camera rouge came in yes and uh completely destroyed their lives

01:19:56.340 and she ended up in one of the work camps but uh at age 19 she was somehow able to get to this country

01:20:06.980 and uh now she owns her own business she became an engineer and uh she just talked about all the

01:20:14.980 amazing opportunities that she found in this country that she was not exposed to before

01:20:21.780 um but she also told a cautionary tale about the kinds of things that are occurring in our country now

01:20:33.380 that are very reminiscent of what happened when communism came to their country

01:20:41.300 and and if you go to our website americancornerstone.org

01:20:46.500 uh we have a segment called my american story there are many people like the young woman that i just

01:20:53.940 talked about uh who came from communist or socialist environments and they talk about the differences

01:21:03.300 between our country and their country but how they see some of the very worrisome things starting to

01:21:09.460 happen in our country what do you think of the physical health of the country as a physician

01:21:16.500 uh well we have about half or more of our population who are overweight yep and uh have some other

01:21:26.420 significant issues a large increase in type 2 diabetes and uh people who generally are not engaged in a lot of

01:21:35.620 physical activity have a lot of musculoskeletal issues uh so in general it's leaves a lot to be desired

01:21:45.940 what that's changed pretty quickly i mean america did not look like this in the 80s which wasn't that long

01:21:52.020 ago well we used to have a lot more physical labor yeah and that helped and uh you know particularly among

01:22:02.340 the men uh they had jobs that required a lot of muscle a lot of work and you don't have that anymore

01:22:12.340 uh and so i think that's affecting people's physical abilities are you worried about chemicals in the air water

01:22:23.460 and food well interestingly enough uh you know i know the the green people talk a lot about uh our fossil fuels

01:22:36.420 and how they're poisoning our atmosphere uh but if you're objective you know that we have the cleanest

01:22:45.140 here and the cleanest water we've ever had since we've done measurements doesn't mean that we shouldn't

01:22:51.700 pay attention to these things uh but we shouldn't allow them to be used to manipulate people

01:22:59.940 yeah and to control people that's that's a real problem and as time goes on we learn better and

01:23:07.860 better ways to take care of the environment i think we've learned to a large extent

01:23:14.500 that we shouldn't be throwing away things that are not biodegradable into our oceans and poisoning our fish

01:23:20.660 uh and i think there is a place for regulations that keep us from destroying our environment but

01:23:32.740 you know going to the extreme and using those to control people's behavior i think is probably not

01:23:39.460 where we want to be does anyone know why testosterone levels have dropped so much uh that's that's been a

01:23:47.540 big questions uh you know some people think it's because uh we just don't engage men don't engage in

01:23:55.540 a lot of physical activity um some studies have shown that for instance the grip strength of men

01:24:05.780 has decreased substantially uh over the last couple of decades i noticed it in the handshakes yeah

01:24:12.340 and the grip strength of women has not so they're much closer now than they used to be

01:24:21.460 so men better be careful out there i think yeah yeah i think that's an understatement um but i mean

01:24:30.260 a drop has been so dramatic that there's got to be and uh you know abrupt that it feels like there's

01:24:38.580 got to be some specific cause that we haven't identified that's important to know about i i think

01:24:43.940 it's just that we used to be much more physical and you know if you go to countries where you know the

01:24:54.340 the men and the women still engage in heavy physical labor carrying around heavy buckets and things like

01:25:01.300 that i mean you can go there and you can see like a 70 year old woman she can be a lot stronger than you are

01:25:08.580 yeah so that's just something that you know we have to have enough discipline to

01:25:16.180 not just go and look at the gym but to use it

01:25:27.940 um another topic that youtube doesn't want you to talk about are vaccines um so probably shouldn't

01:25:47.380 use the word vaccine i think they'll just like take this down if we do um so let me just say i'm in favor

01:25:52.980 of all vaccines and they should all be mandatory but with that aside um what do you make of the

01:25:59.780 covet inoculation campaign like with a couple years distance what was that well i mean i think some of

01:26:06.340 the people who were pushing it were sincere and they really thought that they were saving the population

01:26:13.700 uh i think others perhaps had other motives uh some of them linked to profits monetary issues um

01:26:28.420 what is very troubling to me is the mandates that require people to get the vaccines if they want to keep

01:26:38.100 their job and so many people in the airline industry in the medical industry uh first line responders

01:26:48.980 military lost their jobs lost their pensions lost their livelihoods because they refused to do it

01:26:58.660 those people have not been made whole uh even though it's been proven

01:27:03.780 that they may have been right in refusing to take you know the vaccines and we also discovered that many of the

01:27:16.580 alternative uh treatments uh treatments that were basically demonized like hydroxychloroquine

01:27:27.140 ivermectin uh were actually very effective but you know we had an fda rule that said uh we can't get an eua

01:27:40.580 the emergency use authorization for the vaccine if you had other effective treatments so they had to

01:27:47.700 you know denigrate those uh when in fact the ruling should be just the opposite

01:27:54.580 say if we're having a pandemic use every avenue possible to find a solution not just try to channel

01:28:02.900 everything into one direction so the other thing that was done is we we didn't make known

01:28:14.340 the complication rate of the vaccines um it was much higher than previous vaccines

01:28:22.740 and you know transparency requires that if you're going to treat somebody with something you need

01:28:30.740 to tell them what the benefits and risk are we didn't do that we just said you got to do this and

01:28:37.700 that's the declaration and uh well you're not guessing that i mean you're a practicing physician your

01:28:43.460 whole life that i thought that was required that that was like the basis of medical ethics well it used to

01:28:49.460 be uh something went out of the window in terms of medical ethics here and uh they completely threw

01:28:58.820 that out of the window and just said this is the way it is and this is what you got to do and this is

01:29:03.780 what we say that's not the way we do things in america and uh i think unfortunately a lot of people

01:29:11.460 paid the consequences for it and you'll remember about eight months ago they tried to say there's a new

01:29:18.580 strain it's coming back again we may have to mask up nobody was buying it and it just sort of

01:29:24.180 fizzled out pretty quickly i don't i don't think we're going to go that route again was it weird for

01:29:30.740 you since you were a doctor and one of the most famous doctors in the united states and we were told

01:29:36.500 to trust the doctor trust the experts but you know if you stood up as hud secretary and said any

01:29:42.100 of these things you would have been censored on youtube yeah no question and and many of the

01:29:47.220 doctors who did try to speak up against it were were canceled or uh denigrated in some way and people

01:29:54.980 were afraid to speak up and that was a real problem i personally was a little bit disappointed with

01:30:02.900 the ama and some of the medical organizations who just swallowed it all hook line and sinker

01:30:09.780 uh didn't apply uh the kind of rigorous uh thought processes to this that we normally apply to new

01:30:19.940 treatments and i hope they learned their lesson have they i doubt it it doesn't seem that anyone has

01:30:29.700 been punished or even admitted fault or at least i haven't seen it if that's happened so that raises

01:30:35.220 the question well when we get another pandemic which we will will anyone trust the authorities will the

01:30:42.100 authorities have you know trustworthiness i mean what's going to happen next time uh well certainly

01:30:48.980 no one trusts them right now yeah and uh hopefully we'll get a new administration uh next year

01:30:57.780 and we can start rebuilding that trust but that requires transparency and uh actually explaining things

01:31:08.580 one of the things that lets you know uh when you got a problem is when you try to punish people who

01:31:15.700 disagree with you um it's always okay for somebody to disagree but it's not okay to punish them when they

01:31:24.420 disagree with you and you know we were talking a little bit ago about you know election fraud uh

01:31:33.940 people who don't engage in election fraud aren't offended by you talking about it and they don't try to

01:31:42.020 punish you good boy if i can just quote you one thing about election fraud is people who aren't

01:31:49.940 engaging in election fraud are not offended when you talk about it i think that's worth

01:31:53.940 getting tattooed on your arm yeah exactly an awful lot of people seem offended by any talk of

01:32:00.100 election fraud they're very offended by it's sort of like if you stole the cookies from the cookie jar

01:32:06.420 well then you're likely to say no one can talk about the cookie jar and if you talk about the

01:32:11.380 cookie jar we're going to punish you but if you didn't take the cookies you don't care

01:32:15.300 is there any hope of getting back to a system that people trust

01:32:26.500 well i think there's hope yes there is so i mean look at france france banned routine mail-in balloting

01:32:38.500 in 1975 because they said there was just too much cheating there are too many different ways to cheat and

01:32:45.940 you couldn't control it and they went to back to paper balloting and an election day instead of an election

01:32:54.260 in season and they now know their results within a day or two so you know we're about the only country in

01:33:06.180 the world that does it this way and why would we do that why has everybody else discovered that it's a

01:33:14.340 problem but we haven't obviously because somebody's benefiting from the way that we do it and uh

01:33:25.300 i think we probably should have a congressional investigation and uh let's look at the way it's

01:33:33.860 done in places where it's done effectively and in a way that people trust it and let's readjust what

01:33:40.420 we're doing why haven't we done that because there are too many people who benefit from the way we do

01:33:45.860 it now they don't want to change it they don't want to fix it because then they can't get a glass of

01:33:53.460 water elected

01:33:58.420 i think you risk making everyone very cynical about democracy if you have a system like that

01:34:03.220 and i think a lot of people are very cynical about it and this shouldn't be a part of it shouldn't be

01:34:09.700 a partisan issue i mean this affects all of us uh you you want to talk about the threat to democracy

01:34:17.940 having a voter election system that is very easily uh fraudulent is a real threat to democracy

01:34:28.740 and uh until we fix if if we can send a man to the moon some people say we didn't really do it but

01:34:37.460 if we can if we claim we can we can certainly fix this election system and if other people in the

01:34:44.580 world can do it certainly we can do it too who did you um i'm sure you're i haven't even asked you

01:34:49.940 but i'm sure you know you moved to washington you spent a lot of your life right nearby in baltimore

01:34:54.180 but it's a totally different city right from washington i'm sure you were appalled in a lot

01:34:58.740 of ways and frustrated you said the congress wouldn't even give you your deputies uh for months who are

01:35:04.900 you impressed by who did you think was a person of integrity intelligent hard working were there any

01:35:11.220 anyone in the government you thought was great uh yeah there were there were a number of people

01:35:16.180 that i worked with uh in the trump administration uh mike pompeo for instance uh had many long

01:35:26.340 conversations with him about his work in the cia i think um did he tell you any secret like who killed

01:35:34.020 kennedy i can't tell because i didn't have to kill you no i'm just kidding that's his position

01:35:40.100 uh but i was probably

01:35:50.420 more unhappy with the number of people that i saw who weren't trustworthy

01:35:58.580 um they call it the swamp but uh kenny and i call it the cesspool because the swamp at least has some

01:36:05.140 good things in it yeah it does it's true it's pretty bad and it's going to require a lot of work

01:36:13.460 to get us back to a point of trustworthiness in the government and i think that's the reason that

01:36:21.540 the swamp or the cesspool is so frightened of donald trump because he's not a creature that was born there

01:36:32.260 that was raised there that accepts and understands their ways and uh you can't have a disruptor like

01:36:41.860 that to come into your home and to disrupt it and that's what they're afraid of and that's why they

01:36:50.980 will do anything to keep him out of the white house well including shooting him including shooting him

01:36:58.180 then what do you make of that i mean you obviously you're you're in the cabinet you would secret

01:37:03.620 service protection you've been around this a lot how could that have happened well it would require

01:37:10.820 the grossest incompetence and negligence that anyone can imagine or some intentionality

01:37:22.020 it's hard to explain it any other way i agree with that so it sounds like you're well we don't know

01:37:30.820 i think is the short answer i don't know yeah um nobody does or somebody does but we don't but

01:37:37.300 you're open to the possibility that there could have been as you put it some intentionality some

01:37:41.060 intentionality i mean to have known several minutes beforehand that there was a suspicious individual

01:37:52.020 and to still allow him to go out on that stage i mean a third grader would know better than that yes

01:38:02.260 so it's it's very hard to explain

01:38:07.940 trump hasn't talked about it in this way i mean in his convention speech he described what it was like

01:38:13.380 to be shot right things were going on around him at that moment but he did not suggest that there was

01:38:20.260 again as you put it intentionality he must know that that's possible right i'm sure he does and he

01:38:28.340 knows that they want to get rid of him you know i've talked to him about that and he knows that they're

01:38:35.140 not through trying to get rid of him they you know trunk derangement syndrome is a real phenomenon i i know

01:38:43.540 people who've been affected by people people who used to think logically yes and they don't think

01:38:50.020 logically anymore that it's almost like a disease yes and you know their feeling is that they are right

01:39:00.420 and they are righteous and that they are the protectors of society and anything that they do

01:39:07.940 is justifiable on that basis it's very much like the the thinking of the radical jihadist

01:39:16.740 you know infidels you can lie to them you can kill them you do whatever you want

01:39:21.700 and it doesn't count against you right because you're righteous

01:39:27.380 it's a scary attitude it is in a supposedly secular country yeah it's a very so how i mean

01:39:33.940 considering considering you're you're from detroit you went to yale you spent your life in medicine

01:39:39.860 you lived around baltimore so those are you know not one of those is a trump stronghold

01:39:46.180 no and i grew up very much a democrat yeah i'm sure you know from detroit

01:39:53.380 uh to new hay to boston to new haven to ann arbor to baltimore i was a total democrat

01:40:03.940 but i did have some some feelings for instance when it came to abortion uh i never felt that

01:40:13.300 abortion was right but as a democrat i said i don't have a right to tell you what you should do

01:40:20.740 what why did you think it was wrong uh because it was killing it is killing yes and but why did you

01:40:29.140 recognize that when many people in your position don't yeah i don't i don't i don't know why they

01:40:35.300 don't recognize it i can tell you uh i've always felt that that life is miraculous and precious i guess

01:40:44.500 that's why as a young child i want to be a doctor uh i i listened to the stories about what doctors did

01:40:53.460 i was particularly impressed by what missionary doctors did and uh i decided when i was eight

01:40:59.940 years old that i would become a doctor but looking at innocent little babies uh being killed just

01:41:12.340 because they happen to be in the safest place where you can possibly be which is in the mother's womb

01:41:17.940 therefore it gives you a right to kill them some people feel and i know kamala harris uh feels that

01:41:25.300 way strongly and you know as a pediatric neurosurgeon uh i operated on very premature babies uh sometimes

01:41:37.540 27 28 29 weeks gestation and we had to give those babies anesthesia they felt everything

01:41:47.940 and yet you have people who are willing to stick a force up into the uterus

01:41:57.380 of a 27 week

01:42:00.980 baby grab whatever is there twist and pull and out comes an arm or shoulder or another part of the

01:42:10.420 anatomy knowing that that baby can feel that

01:42:14.980 i mean to me it's barbaric and i don't understand how people can do it i truly do not understand how

01:42:23.540 medical colleagues can do that well you must know them i do know some of them have you ever talked to

01:42:30.660 them about it absolutely we've had some very heated discussions but i mean you're in a different

01:42:37.700 position because you would personally know people who's who have actually done that what you just

01:42:44.020 described which is common um what do they say they say they they talk about women's rights

01:42:54.420 but what gives you the right to kill another human being just because that human being is being

01:43:01.940 protected by you and the thing that really changed my mind is i was thinking about slavery and i said what

01:43:12.260 if the abolitionist had said well i don't believe in slavery but i don't have any right to tell you what

01:43:21.460 you need to do what if that had been their attitude where would we be so and and the bible says it too

01:43:31.860 in book of proverbs 24th chapter 11 and 12 verse what about those people who are being drawn unto death

01:43:40.980 innocence did you say anything and doesn't he who sees everything know what you did

01:43:47.940 what you didn't do so i think we have a responsibility when we know something is right or wrong we have a

01:43:57.700 responsibility to speak up

01:44:03.060 i'm amazed that you would talk like this in a hospital medical school operating room i mean it

01:44:12.740 it that cannot be a popular view uh and it wasn't but

01:44:21.140 you know i a long time ago decided that i'm going to speak out for what i believe in

01:44:29.700 and even if people try to persecute you and this comes back to my faith

01:44:37.220 what is that little persecution against the backdrop of eternity

01:44:42.740 so i don't really worry about that too much

01:44:53.460 i don't think i can improve on that dr carson thank you it's been wonderful it has been thank

01:44:59.140 you very much

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Dr. Ben Carson： The Left’s Cringing Worship of Kamala Harris

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