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00:00:15.020 So thank you for coming.

00:00:16.540 So I want to, okay, here's my question to you.

00:00:19.440 You were one of the people who was right about COVID.

00:00:25.160 And certainly more right than the U.S. public health authorities and the global public health authorities.

00:00:30.240 And I'm just going to summarize in two sentences what I think your position was.

00:00:34.260 So you're a physician in private practice in Texas.

00:00:39.760 And you're vaccinated, by the way.

00:00:42.380 No.

00:00:42.880 You were not.

00:00:43.320 Oh, you're not vaccinated.

00:00:44.400 I almost did.

00:00:45.520 God bless you.

00:00:46.540 But at first, you like have no real reason to think that this is all completely backward.

00:00:52.800 But then you treat COVID patients, thousands, I think.

00:00:55.840 And you start to realize that the therapies that the U.S. government is recommending are

00:01:00.740 not working, that the vaccines are not working as advertised at all.

00:01:04.820 And you start saying something about it and offering alternatives to it, which are badly

00:01:10.920 needed in the middle of this moment.

00:01:13.420 And you're attacked, really attacked, your livelihood, your professional credentials

00:01:20.100 are attacked.

00:01:21.240 And then time passes, now four years, and it becomes really clear that once again, you were

00:01:27.820 more right than the U.S. public health authorities.

00:01:30.260 I think that's just demonstrable.

00:01:31.500 I think the science proves that.

00:01:33.020 So here's my question, after a long preamble, have you been rewarded for it?

00:01:38.040 Has the AMA given you the Physician of the Year award?

00:01:40.420 No, I'm serious.

00:01:41.240 Has anybody said, we were wrong in attacking you, and you deserve credit for your foresight

00:01:48.780 and bravery?

00:01:49.280 No, and I mean, I'm still fighting to keep my license.

00:02:13.920 I mean, I still have the Texas Medical Board coming after me for something that happened.

00:02:20.080 Right now, you're fighting?

00:02:20.980 Oh, yeah.

00:02:21.540 Oh, yeah.

00:02:22.100 Yeah.

00:02:22.320 I have a hearing coming up end of April, and I was trying to save somebody's life.

00:02:29.640 It was a sheriff's deputy.

00:02:31.140 This is a man that has served for 29 years trying to protect and save the public, father

00:02:36.840 of six.

00:02:38.100 And he contracted COVID, and this was in the fall of 2021.

00:02:42.220 And that was the third and the largest surge of the pandemic.

00:02:45.900 That's when, you know, this was following the rollout of the COVID shots.

00:02:49.200 So this was eight months following the rollout of the COVID shots, and they clearly weren't

00:02:52.940 working.

00:02:54.020 And this man, he got sick.

00:02:56.340 He tried to get ivermectin.

00:02:57.820 He couldn't find a doctor willing to prescribe it.

00:03:00.460 He ended up in the hospital, and he was, you know, went downhill like so many people did.

00:03:07.600 And his wife, you know, the hospital was talking hospice.

00:03:11.420 They were giving up.

00:03:12.560 They said, we tried everything.

00:03:14.020 Come on.

00:03:14.480 How old was this man?

00:03:15.740 He was late 50s, early 60s.

00:03:19.740 Not elderly.

00:03:20.940 No.

00:03:21.580 And, you know, he was a big guy, but he had no comorbidities.

00:03:25.220 He had no other medical problems.

00:03:26.480 And so, you know, this is, we saw this, though, with so many people, you know, day, if you

00:03:35.100 didn't get early treatment, the second week of illness, people would start really getting

00:03:39.460 bad.

00:03:40.480 This massive inflammatory response would kick in.

00:03:43.360 And it almost always happened on day eight.

00:03:46.160 It was very weird.

00:03:47.040 It was very predictable.

00:03:49.320 And, you know, the primary care doctors just shut their doors to these people.

00:03:54.000 They said, oh, this is just a virus.

00:03:56.500 We'll let it run its course and then go to the emergency room if you can't breathe.

00:04:01.260 So that happened.

00:04:02.340 Can I ask you a question?

00:04:03.000 Why would primary care physicians, whose duty it is to treat patients, and they must

00:04:08.260 have known by this point that day eight is the critical day, why would they not treat

00:04:11.660 these people?

00:04:12.800 Because there's a dogma that we are taught in medical school and in our training that

00:04:17.800 you don't treat a virus, that you let a virus run its course, because there's this

00:04:22.520 big fear about antibiotic resistance.

00:04:24.800 So they don't want people overprescribing antibiotics.

00:04:28.040 And so the assumption, if somebody comes to you with an upper respiratory tract infection

00:04:32.200 in the first three, four days, five days, and they don't test positive for strep, you

00:04:38.160 basically say, oh, you've got a virus, and we'll just wait and see what happens.

00:04:42.100 Well, I mean, that was just catastrophic.

00:04:44.180 I mean, that was really, and I learned so much.

00:04:47.060 I mean, I had that mindset prior to the pandemic, but I just, it just didn't sit well with me

00:04:53.340 when people were coming in and, you know, really struggling to just do nothing.

00:04:57.080 And so initially, I tried hydroxychloroquine, but as soon as President Trump came out and

00:05:03.440 said how great it was, the Texas State Board of Pharmacy, they literally shut it down.

00:05:07.800 Like, they prohibited doctors from prescribing hydroxychloroquine.

00:05:11.880 So I put it on the back burner, and I just did my best.

00:05:15.240 I did breathing treatments, steroids.

00:05:17.980 I did antibiotics for secondary infection.

00:05:21.480 But initially, I didn't really have a lot of demand for people coming in needing treatment.

00:05:26.040 I was doing a lot of testing, and that sort of got me recognized in town because I had

00:05:33.200 a saliva test that didn't require a swab up the nose, and I was able to get the results

00:05:38.660 back very quickly.

00:05:40.140 You might remember, initially, LabCorp was the only lab in the country that had the test,

00:05:44.720 and they became inundated, and it was taking two weeks to get the test results back.

00:05:49.860 So we had a saliva test, and people could just, we could just give a cup, and they could sit

00:05:55.460 in their car and spit in it, and then we'd have the results back the next day.

00:05:59.580 So that sort of, that's where it all started.

00:06:03.420 And then monoclonal antibodies came about, and those worked great.

00:06:08.360 I mean, I could get as many doses as I wanted.

00:06:11.200 I'd get them the next day.

00:06:12.900 I'd just contact the manufacturer, say, I need 200 doses.

00:06:16.900 They'd be at my doorstep.

00:06:18.840 Great.

00:06:19.160 They worked wonderfully.

00:06:20.240 People turned around very quickly.

00:06:23.000 But what happened is, and this is during that big surge when Jason Jones, a sheriff's deputy,

00:06:29.560 got sick, couldn't get monoclonal antibodies, couldn't get ivermectin.

00:06:32.880 When in 2001 was that?

00:06:34.420 Do you remember?

00:06:35.420 So the summer of 2021, well, so let's start in the spring of 2021.

00:06:41.880 So this is following the rollout of the COVID shots.

00:06:43.940 The government is upset because people are not buying it.

00:06:48.680 People are not getting, there's very low uptake, very low interest.

00:06:52.120 There's suspicion of these shots.

00:06:54.240 So in March, they started their PR campaign, the government.

00:06:58.960 They went after ivermectin.

00:07:00.780 The FDA put something on their website about you can't use ivermectin for COVID.

00:07:05.680 That Biden doled out $11.5 billion to groups around the country.

00:07:15.580 Initially, it started with 275.

00:07:17.440 It went up to 17,000.

00:07:19.880 Influencers, church groups, sports leagues, all sorts of people, just funneling out taxpayer

00:07:25.640 money to go after doctors like myself that were spreading misinformation and to, you know,

00:07:32.320 this is, you know, push people to get these COVID shots.

00:07:35.940 So that, that happened in the spring.

00:07:38.100 And that's how, so Houston Methodist Hospital, and that's where I had privileges.

00:07:44.200 They were the first hospital in the country to mandate the shots.

00:07:47.260 And this was April 1st, 2021.

00:07:49.480 And this was the exact day that Biden announced COVID-19 Community Corps, that, that billion,

00:07:56.400 multi-billion dollar propaganda effort.

00:07:59.380 I think it was very purposeful.

00:08:01.260 I think the mandate started in Houston for a reason.

00:08:04.420 I knew, I think that they knew if they could get away with the mandates in Texas, they could

00:08:08.340 get away with them anywhere.

00:08:09.840 Where was your governor in this?

00:08:11.820 He was, you know, he, he.

00:08:14.440 Yeah, a Republican governor.

00:08:16.480 Yeah, he was, he was a little slow to act.

00:08:19.480 I mean, he, he was on board with Methodist.

00:08:23.060 In fact, I have the CEO of Methodist, Dr. Mark Boom, on camera saying that Governor Abbott

00:08:28.480 wanted them to get a shot in every arm.

00:08:31.680 That's, that's according to the CEO of Methodist.

00:08:35.040 But, you know, he did, he did come through eventually.

00:08:37.760 But this is early on.

00:08:41.120 So then that summer, started having all these breakthrough cases.

00:08:45.340 And I was seeing it because I was testing people.

00:08:47.240 So I started to track people that by their vaccination status.

00:08:51.080 And I saw that the vaccinated outnumbered the unvaccinated and they were just as sick,

00:08:56.660 if not sicker.

00:08:57.900 So I brought this to the attention of Houston Methodist.

00:09:00.680 Were these your patients you're talking about?

00:09:01.880 Mm-hmm.

00:09:02.100 People that were coming to my office to get tested.

00:09:05.040 And, um.

00:09:06.040 Why wasn't every doctor doing this?

00:09:08.380 Well, we can get to that.

00:09:10.240 Because, I mean, I'm independent.

00:09:11.600 So it allowed me to do things that other doctors can't do.

00:09:15.840 But I was actually collaborating with Methodist.

00:09:18.200 I was sharing my data with them because I had so many.

00:09:20.460 I mean, basically, I was just, all I saw was COVID for a few years.

00:09:23.840 Um, and we were trying to get the data published.

00:09:26.720 So we had a good relationship.

00:09:28.100 So I reached out.

00:09:29.080 I said, hey, are you seeing what I'm seeing?

00:09:30.800 Like these, all these breakthrough cases.

00:09:33.200 Um, at the same time, I had all these people coming to me very distraught about the mandates.

00:09:38.580 And, you know, because we were ahead of the time, right?

00:09:41.940 This was before the rest of the country was mandating the shots.

00:09:44.820 But in Houston, if you, uh, a lot of people, Houston Methodist, they employ about 30,000 people.

00:09:52.560 Very distraught over these mandates.

00:09:54.720 Um, and then I, and then I see that they're not working.

00:09:57.720 At that time, I wasn't seeing the injuries.

00:09:59.820 And at that time, I was just very vocal against the mandates.

00:10:04.320 So I, um, you know, in August, late August of 2021, FDA put out the infamous horse tweet.

00:10:15.480 Um, and that's the, the attractive healthcare worker nuzzling the horse and says, seriously, y'all, you're not a horse.

00:10:22.260 You're not a cow.

00:10:22.860 Stop it.

00:10:24.200 Tweet went viral.

00:10:25.200 That's right.

00:10:25.920 That's when Joe Rogan got, uh, smeared for taking ivermectin.

00:10:30.240 Um, and then right after that, Biden mandated the shots and they took away monoclonal antibodies.

00:10:36.280 So it was all very orchestrated.

00:10:38.620 But monoclonal antibodies, I've never heard anybody say that they weren't helpful.

00:10:44.400 Right.

00:10:44.820 But if you have monoclonal antibodies available as an option, people are going to do that rather than get the shot.

00:10:51.120 So that's why, in my opinion, that's why they took away the monoclonal antibodies.

00:10:54.820 Which were working.

00:10:55.760 They worked great.

00:10:56.680 I mean, it was.

00:10:57.540 So this is like the most evil thing that's ever happened in the United States.

00:11:00.320 Yeah, in my opinion, definitely.

00:11:04.280 I'm sorry to keep interjecting.

00:11:06.020 It's just, even though I live this, it's just so stunning to hear it recounted as crisply as you are recounting it.

00:11:13.420 So, okay.

00:11:14.320 So they take away monoclonal antibodies.

00:11:17.620 They mandate the shot.

00:11:19.500 But you're sharing your data with the hospital at which you have privileges.

00:11:23.680 What are they saying?

00:11:25.000 So their response was one sentence and said, well, we think the shots are there to lessen the severity.

00:11:34.940 Well, interestingly enough, they've never shared their data, their hospital data.

00:11:40.480 And being the first in the country to mandate the shots, you know they're sitting on an enormous amount of data.

00:11:46.660 And if the shots had been effective in preventing transmission or lowering the severity, then they should have shared that.

00:11:55.780 They would have shared that.

00:11:56.600 They would have been, you know, screaming that from the rooftops if it fits their agenda.

00:12:00.940 But they've been very quiet about that.

00:12:03.920 So, you know, I had, you know, all these things, all these patients coming to me very distraught.

00:12:09.280 I had one patient come to me and tell me that her urologist at Houston Methodist called her and said, you're going to need to find a new urologist if you don't get the COVID shots.

00:12:21.020 And she had a history of bladder cancer.

00:12:22.820 So she was very upset.

00:12:24.040 And she was calling me to try to find a new doctor.

00:12:26.440 The urologist said, I won't treat you?

00:12:28.760 Well, he said that the department was talking, having discussions about not treating patients that were unvaccinated.

00:12:37.560 He didn't say-

00:12:38.740 The Texas Health Department?

00:12:40.340 No, this is at Houston Methodist Hospital.

00:12:41.860 Oh, the Department of Urology.

00:12:43.140 Yes.

00:12:44.700 That's what he told this patient.

00:12:47.820 Then-

00:12:48.800 Doesn't he have a moral obligation to treat his patients?

00:12:50.720 Yeah, well, we saw all sorts of moral issues during the pandemic.

00:12:55.960 Crimes.

00:12:56.340 I mean, yeah, crimes.

00:12:59.340 So, yeah, that happened.

00:13:01.380 And then on the exact same day, I got a notice from a surgery center where I operate that I'd have to get the COVID shot to continue operating.

00:13:10.460 And then on the same day, I got a notice from this hospital where I was trying to help the sheriff's deputy.

00:13:19.820 They had a court order to give me emergency temporary privileges so that I could give him ivermectin.

00:13:24.780 The wife sued.

00:13:26.700 And she was, you know, last-ditch effort, let a dying man try ivermectin before-

00:13:31.760 The sheriff's deputy, father of six.

00:13:33.200 Yes.

00:13:33.420 I testified.

00:13:36.320 She asked me to testify.

00:13:37.880 I testified.

00:13:38.680 Senator Bob Hall testified.

00:13:40.720 We won.

00:13:41.560 And the court was ordered to give me emergency temporary privileges.

00:13:45.860 And then I was to get either myself personally give the ivermectin to him or have a nurse do it because they thought it was too dangerous for one of their own members to do it.

00:13:58.160 To treat a patient.

00:13:58.860 Yeah, with ivermectin, which is insane.

00:14:01.420 Um, anyway, I got a notice that they were going to deny my privileges, even though, I mean, I had never, I've never been sued for malpractice, spotless record.

00:14:11.600 You know, they made me get letters of recommendation.

00:14:14.540 They made me submit my surgical case logs.

00:14:18.020 They just fought tooth and nail to make the whole process as difficult as they could.

00:14:23.800 And the lawyers ended up having to go back to the judge and fight with, you know, fight with them over just giving me privileges.

00:14:31.020 Whereas, you know, at that time, there was a shortage.

00:14:34.080 You know, they needed doctors to work in the hospitals.

00:14:36.420 And if I, under other circumstances, if I had just shown up and said, hey, I want to help out in the ICU, they would have granted me privileges the same day.

00:14:44.860 There wouldn't have been any kind of letters or recommendation or, you know, surgery.

00:14:49.320 Anyway, they said they.

00:14:50.700 Can I ask, were you pretty confident this man was going to die without treatment?

00:14:55.340 No.

00:14:55.740 So, this is interesting.

00:14:57.120 So, the lawyers that were doing this case, Ralph Larigo and Beth Parlato, they did 189 cases around the country.

00:15:07.120 Similar situation, the spouse is suing the hospital to try to get their loved one ivermectin in this last-ditch effort to save their lives.

00:15:17.520 Half of those people, they won the case.

00:15:20.020 And in the cases where they won, all but three patients died.

00:15:24.420 In the cases where they lost, all the patients died.

00:15:28.580 I mean, it's really amazing.

00:15:29.760 And apparently, the judges, their political party, matched the outcome of the trial.

00:15:35.500 So, the Republican judges were the ones that ruled in favor of the plaintiff.

00:15:39.760 And then the Democrat judges were the ones that ruled against the plaintiff.

00:15:44.100 You're making my heart beat fast hearing this.

00:15:47.880 So, what happened in this specific case?

00:15:51.240 So, you know, there was a lot of back and forth.

00:15:54.420 It was very confusing.

00:15:55.560 It was happening very quickly.

00:15:58.240 And, you know, his life is on the line.

00:16:01.460 And they basically, the lawyers told me, you have the green light.

00:16:08.580 We're going to go ahead.

00:16:09.220 We can go.

00:16:09.920 It's all good.

00:16:10.560 Everything's cleared.

00:16:11.200 So, I send the nurse to the hospital.

00:16:13.880 And she's greeted by the police and the hospital administrator and turned away.

00:16:19.820 And he never is allowed to get the ivermectin.

00:16:24.180 They appealed and managed to get a stay on the order.

00:16:26.940 And then on appeal, they lost.

00:16:31.700 So, the wife, luckily, she was able to go in the hospital every day, which was unusual.

00:16:39.340 Most spouses didn't get to do that.

00:16:41.860 But that was one good thing.

00:16:42.880 And this was at Texas Hugley Hospital in Fort Worth.

00:16:46.020 So, she applied ivermectin to him topically every day without the hospital knowing.

00:16:52.920 The hospital tied up his feeding tube because they didn't want her sneaking anything in.

00:16:57.400 They put towels and rubber bands around it so that nothing could be snuck in.

00:17:01.080 These people are evil.

00:17:01.980 Yeah.

00:17:02.160 And, I mean, they fought tooth and nail to keep him from just trying a very safe medication,

00:17:09.420 which I believe should be over-the-counter.

00:17:12.980 And then they turned me into the medical board over it.

00:17:16.280 And I'm still fighting those charges.

00:17:18.720 The patient, he did survive.

00:17:21.820 But he spent six months in the hospital.

00:17:23.940 He lost half of his body weight.

00:17:26.340 He never was able to make a full recovery.

00:17:28.180 And then, unfortunately, he did pass away.

00:17:32.160 That's like, that's a, that's very upsetting to hear that.

00:17:37.820 That's very upsetting.

00:17:39.520 And so, the charges against you, boy, I thought I was done being upset by COVID.

00:17:44.660 You just brought me back.

00:17:47.300 It's such a, it's such a stain on this country.

00:17:49.980 It's a, it's a stain on the medical profession.

00:17:53.020 And just that people didn't storm the hospitals.

00:17:56.500 You, your, your father, your husband, your children dying alone.

00:18:01.840 Yeah.

00:18:02.560 You should have showed up with guns and said, get out of my way.

00:18:04.780 It's my loved one.

00:18:05.900 And I'm going to be with him when he dies.

00:18:07.680 Exactly.

00:18:08.440 And so I, you know, people should have done that.

00:18:11.420 And I hope they will next time.

00:18:13.520 Excuse me.

00:18:14.160 So, your crime is recommending a therapy for COVID.

00:18:18.940 That's your crime?

00:18:20.100 Or is there, am I missing something?

00:18:20.960 Well, there, the technicality is that I didn't have hospital privileges when I sent the nurse to the hospital.

00:18:27.460 But because this was a legal dispute.

00:18:29.680 But she never got in.

00:18:30.800 She never got in.

00:18:31.900 And I was following the guidance of the lawyers.

00:18:34.460 So, your nurse made it to the threshold of a hospital.

00:18:36.720 Therefore, you should lose your medical license?

00:18:38.680 Is that, am I?

00:18:39.640 Well, I don't think they're trying to, I think they just want to fine me and.

00:18:42.920 Fine you?

00:18:43.520 Yeah.

00:18:43.860 Mark my record.

00:18:45.120 And I could have settled a long time ago.

00:18:48.300 So, you have something called an informal settlement conference.

00:18:51.340 It's behind closed doors.

00:18:52.720 There's no witnesses or you don't really get to interact much.

00:18:58.900 And they offered to make it go away if I paid them $5,000 and took eight hours of CME and retook.

00:19:05.300 What does CME mean?

00:19:06.340 Continuing medical education.

00:19:08.940 And then retook the jurisprudence exam.

00:19:12.740 So, all doctors in Texas have to take a medical legal exam, which I've already taken and passed.

00:19:18.640 But they wanted me to take it again.

00:19:20.380 And I just said, no, I'm not caving to this.

00:19:24.440 And unfortunately, the latest.

00:19:26.320 So, it's been three and a half years.

00:19:28.260 There have been multiple continuances.

00:19:30.000 They haven't been able to find an expert witness to testify against me.

00:19:34.160 The first one got sick with cancer.

00:19:37.320 The second one just, I think, just chickened out.

00:19:40.420 I don't know.

00:19:40.840 And the third one, the third witness, it turns out that the entire time, and he was the former medical director of the Texas Medical Board.

00:19:51.560 The entire time, the last 12 years, he's been working for Planned Parenthood.

00:19:55.480 So, we found that out.

00:19:56.760 Wait, what?

00:19:58.100 Yeah.

00:19:58.960 Wait, I'm so sorry.

00:20:00.520 Now, I'm tuning in with greater intensity.

00:20:02.580 What is his job, his day job when he's not?

00:20:05.560 He's a lab director for Planned Parenthood.

00:20:07.940 What does a lab director at Planned Parenthood do?

00:20:11.140 I don't know.

00:20:12.220 Sell fetal tissue to vaccine companies?

00:20:14.480 Yeah, probably.

00:20:15.520 Yeah.

00:20:18.600 And he's on the medical board?

00:20:20.640 He was the medical director of the medical board.

00:20:25.200 And he works at Planned Parenthood?

00:20:26.800 Exactly.

00:20:27.540 Yeah.

00:20:28.520 And this is not Vermont.

00:20:29.900 This is Texas.

00:20:30.820 Exactly.

00:20:31.540 No, I mean, Texas is not what people think.

00:20:33.780 No, I've figured that out.

00:20:38.940 Man, I didn't expect to be left speechless the first 10 minutes.

00:20:43.060 Only three things are absolutely certain in this life, and you know two of them.

00:20:46.380 First is death, second is taxes, and the third, unfortunately, is getting ripped off by your

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00:22:53.580 So, do you think, like, take yourself out of this?

00:22:58.060 This is just like a med school classmate is going through what you're going through.

00:23:00.900 Do you see any other side to the argument?

00:23:04.640 Any potentially legitimate justification for hounding you for four years?

00:23:08.020 You know, the medical board's job is to protect the public from dangerous doctors.

00:23:14.380 I mean, it's true, though.

00:23:17.180 I mean, you get a monthly bulletin and there are, you know, sex...

00:23:21.580 Like the ones who give your kids amphetamines for ADHD?

00:23:24.360 Well, yeah.

00:23:24.720 Or the ones who hook your wife on benzodiazepines because she has panic attacks?

00:23:28.740 Those doctors?

00:23:29.540 Right, right.

00:23:29.940 Well, no, I mean...

00:23:30.620 No, not those doctors.

00:23:31.500 Oh, different doctors.

00:23:34.100 Okay.

00:23:34.500 I mean, we get a monthly email just blasting all the crimes that doctors have done, and

00:23:40.120 it's pretty bad.

00:23:40.900 I mean, it's, you know, sex offenders.

00:23:42.640 Oh, I'm not surprised even a little bit.

00:23:44.620 A lot of, you know...

00:23:46.380 So, that's their role.

00:23:47.980 I don't think I'm dangerous.

00:23:49.920 I was trying to save a life.

00:23:51.320 I stepped on the toes of a hospital.

00:23:53.200 That was my crime.

00:23:54.720 A multi-billion dollar hospital, Advent Hospital.

00:23:58.920 And, you know, that's what happened with Methodist.

00:24:00.960 I stepped on their toes, and they just weren't going to have that.

00:24:04.500 So, at any point during this, can you go to the...

00:24:08.300 I mean, these are obviously huge corporations, but they're institutions whose goal is to

00:24:12.920 save lives, improve lives, bring health to the population.

00:24:16.840 Could you ever just, like, call the CEO of the hospital and the medical director of the

00:24:21.760 hospital and say, this is really crazy.

00:24:23.780 Like, I'm not profiting from this.

00:24:26.120 Ivermectin, there's no profit margin in it, right?

00:24:28.980 I just think this therapy works.

00:24:30.160 I've seen it, and I'm going to try and help, and why don't you back off?

00:24:32.960 Yeah.

00:24:33.280 Can you do that?

00:24:34.360 I mean, at the time that this was going down, it was a legal battle.

00:24:38.240 I felt like, well, I really can't.

00:24:39.960 I just have to, yeah, I can't step outside what the lawyers are telling me to do.

00:24:46.440 How much money do these hospitals take from the Biden administration?

00:24:48.940 Do you know?

00:24:49.620 I don't know for sure, but I know that Houston Methodist Hospital has $13 billion in assets.

00:24:56.300 That was actually a couple years ago.

00:24:57.700 It's probably more now.

00:24:59.800 In assets?

00:25:00.340 In assets.

00:25:01.340 In assets.

00:25:02.300 So, $13 billion in assets.

00:25:04.960 And they have, you know, locations all over Houston.

00:25:09.140 They don't pay property taxes.

00:25:10.640 They're non-profit.

00:25:12.620 They don't pay property taxes?

00:25:14.120 They don't pay any property taxes.

00:25:15.660 Do you think we should get rid of non-profit status, period?

00:25:18.000 Yes.

00:25:18.520 I don't understand.

00:25:20.120 I've met almost no non-profit that I think is good, and that needs to be reformed.

00:25:28.780 Yeah.

00:25:28.960 We could probably close the deficit just by having these people pay the taxes that the

00:25:33.740 rest of us pay.

00:25:34.520 Yeah.

00:25:36.120 Wow, that's just so shocking.

00:25:37.880 Was there any hospital in Houston where you live, I think, that was willing to be reasonable

00:25:43.320 or was not taking orders?

00:25:44.720 Yes, there was.

00:25:46.100 Good.

00:25:46.380 So, there was a doctor, Joe Verone, who is a pulmonologist, critical care doctor.

00:25:52.300 He's now the head of Independent Medical Alliance.

00:25:56.180 He and I, I would have, it was crazy.

00:25:59.120 We'd have patients calling us all over the country saying, help, get me out of this hospital.

00:26:03.880 And he would accept transfers from all over the country.

00:26:07.820 So, people would be, you know, life-flighted from ICU in Maine and taken down to Houston.

00:26:15.460 And he would care for them.

00:26:16.800 And this hospital, UMMC, allowed him to use ivermectin.

00:26:22.300 And we were, there was a whole protocol that was, it's called the Math Plus Protocol and

00:26:27.940 started by FLCCC, which now is Independent Medical Alliance.

00:26:32.620 But it was high-dose steroids.

00:26:36.060 It was high-dose ivermectin.

00:26:38.080 It was high-dose vitamin C.

00:26:40.160 It was breathing treatments.

00:26:41.280 It was all these very basic, you know, not dangerous things that weren't being done.

00:26:47.160 He saved a lot of lives.

00:26:48.560 He worked crazy.

00:26:49.700 I mean, I think he worked over two and a half years straight without even a break.

00:26:53.600 But I was fortunate to have him as an ally and somebody that.

00:26:57.860 What a man.

00:26:58.420 Good for him.

00:26:59.760 So, you're clearly a data person.

00:27:01.600 And do we have, like, the final outcome?

00:27:05.200 Like, how did those patients do versus patients who were, like, intubated in some Biden-controlled

00:27:09.540 hospital?

00:27:10.720 Well, if you look at, there's a great website that compiles all the ivermectin data just

00:27:16.040 by itself.

00:27:16.980 And we have 105 studies showing the efficacy of ivermectin.

00:27:22.480 And, you know, it varied depending on the actual patient, as it should.

00:27:30.520 And you wouldn't always just use ivermectin.

00:27:33.420 So, you know, in my more severe patients, I would use a combination of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine,

00:27:39.200 azithromycin.

00:27:40.640 During that second week, I would do higher-dose steroids if necessary.

00:27:44.820 I would do breathing treatments.

00:27:46.920 So, it's hard to isolate saying, okay, well, it's just ivermectin.

00:27:49.980 But when you look on this compilation of studies, I mean, even in the late stages, and you were

00:27:55.600 asking me about this earlier, even in the late stages, they showed that ivermectin could

00:27:59.320 decrease mortality by 40%.

00:28:01.320 It's most effective if you actually take it as prevention.

00:28:05.900 So, people taking it twice a week do the best.

00:28:10.440 And then the people that start day one or two or three, they're the next best.

00:28:16.840 So, I mean, that's established.

00:28:18.260 We know that.

00:28:19.080 Well, it depends on who you ask.

00:28:21.120 But, yes, there's plenty of data supporting that.

00:28:24.540 So, why isn't that like the official CDC protocol for COVID?

00:28:29.680 Well, you know, it would help myself and other doctors.

00:28:32.900 I mean, I'm not the only doctor going through this with the medical board, but if they could

00:28:36.980 make it a countermeasure, then it's protected under the PrEP Act, and then it makes all these

00:28:43.100 issues that we're having with the medical boards essentially go away.

00:28:47.080 Is there anybody who has counterdata, numbers showing the opposite, that people taking ivermectin

00:28:53.520 like die more?

00:28:56.300 Well, I wouldn't say that.

00:28:58.420 They'd say it doesn't work or it's not.

00:28:59.980 But the studies that are all establishment, you know, in the big journals, they're either

00:29:08.560 they didn't give the ivermectin soon enough, or they gave too low of a dose, or the study

00:29:14.860 was sponsored by somebody that has financial interest in seeing it not work.

00:29:19.180 So, there are studies countering that.

00:29:23.140 But if you look at, there's just an abundance of data showing it works, and it's super safe.

00:29:30.000 So, I was a little bit nervous before I started using it because of all the, you know, media,

00:29:36.340 you know, that's only for horses and that sort of thing.

00:29:38.680 So, I dug into it, and I did what...

00:29:41.080 Does it help horses?

00:29:42.400 I know we kept hearing it was a horse dewormer.

00:29:44.560 Is it effective?

00:29:45.500 Yes.

00:29:46.100 I mean, for their parasite issues.

00:29:50.220 But so, I looked at the study where Merck submitted to the FDA, it's on their website,

00:29:55.180 anybody can find it, and you get toxicity data.

00:29:58.100 And there's something called the LD50, which stands for lethal dose 50.

00:30:01.680 It's a benchmark number that's used to gauge how toxic a medication is.

00:30:05.980 So, the higher the number, the lower the toxicity.

00:30:10.480 And in COVID, we were using higher doses of ivermectin than what you use to treat a parasite.

00:30:15.560 So, I wanted to make sure these higher doses were okay.

00:30:18.060 Well, if you look at the LD50 of ivermectin, it's anywhere from 11 to 82 times what we're

00:30:26.360 giving for COVID.

00:30:27.400 So, we are far under that threshold.

00:30:30.620 And then I did a literature search, and I tried to find accidental, intentional overdoses

00:30:34.760 from ivermectin, and I couldn't find anything.

00:30:37.400 And I checked recently, and there was one study showing some issues, and it was a little bit

00:30:42.540 muddy, like, was this really ivermectin?

00:30:44.960 But if you look at Tylenol, I mean, there's thousands of papers showing toxicity from Tylenol.

00:30:50.180 So, it is...

00:30:50.720 I know someone who has, you know, advanced liver disease from it.

00:30:53.320 Really?

00:30:53.880 Wow.

00:30:54.320 Yeah.

00:30:54.600 Well, that's a thing.

00:30:55.500 Yeah.

00:30:55.720 As you know.

00:30:56.120 Yeah, it is.

00:30:56.600 Thousands of people die every year.

00:30:57.820 Right.

00:30:58.240 Yeah.

00:30:59.280 So, propofol used every day in hospitals.

00:31:02.260 I mean, you screw that up by a tiny bit, you're dead.

00:31:04.760 Yeah.

00:31:05.120 Correct?

00:31:05.680 Right?

00:31:06.060 Well, yeah.

00:31:06.620 Yeah.

00:31:06.900 I haven't seen it, but sure.

00:31:08.900 So...

00:31:09.100 Killed Michael Jackson.

00:31:09.880 Yep.

00:31:10.280 Well, that was...

00:31:10.960 Right, but I'm just saying, like, hospitals work with incredibly dangerous drugs every

00:31:15.000 day.

00:31:15.340 Right, right.

00:31:15.920 I'm sure you do.

00:31:16.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:17.880 What are the side effects of it?

00:31:20.200 It's...

00:31:20.480 I tell people I have a harder time with antibiotics in terms of side effects.

00:31:23.560 Like, if I'm going to get a call back in my office, it's usually about an antibiotic

00:31:27.860 problem, not ivermectin.

00:31:29.320 But you can get some GI issues, diarrhea, and then you can get blurry vision, but the

00:31:34.520 blurry vision goes away when you stop taking it.

00:31:37.840 And it's not like, oh, I can't read.

00:31:39.860 It's more like, oh, something's a little off.

00:31:42.160 Not, you know.

00:31:43.220 That's it?

00:31:43.860 That's it.

00:31:44.440 So, I guess what you're saying, without saying it, is that there's really no compelling

00:31:49.980 medical reason to call the cops if your nurse shows up with ivermectin.

00:31:53.740 Exactly.

00:31:54.640 Mm-hmm.

00:31:55.140 So, that's, like, purely political.

00:31:57.040 Right.

00:31:57.520 How did your business get your profession get so politicized?

00:32:01.540 Yeah, it's awful.

00:32:02.940 I mean...

00:32:03.040 Did you know that before all of this?

00:32:04.280 No.

00:32:04.720 And I remember, you know, Methodist came after me very vocally.

00:32:08.640 Um, and I had a press conference outside my office as a, you know, I'm not, I'm not

00:32:16.040 standing, I'm not putting up with this.

00:32:17.720 And I said, you know, politics has no business in healthcare.

00:32:21.880 And at the time, I really believed it.

00:32:23.620 I was not political at all prior to this.

00:32:26.080 Really?

00:32:26.400 I shied away from politics.

00:32:27.700 I really didn't like it.

00:32:29.540 And I thought it was too divisive.

00:32:32.180 And here I am.

00:32:35.160 Um, but...

00:32:36.320 No, I think that's such a wonderful and very American, you have children.

00:32:41.880 Yeah.

00:32:42.300 And that's, like, a sweet kind of, that's, that's how you should feel.

00:32:45.500 Yeah.

00:32:45.700 That's how you should feel.

00:32:46.460 I'm married to someone who feels that way.

00:32:48.120 Not only people arguing, like, that's great.

00:32:49.980 You know, we have important things to do.

00:32:51.740 Like, yeah, no, I'm sorry, I'm not making fun of you at all.

00:32:54.240 I love that.

00:32:54.800 But now, I feel like there's no other choice, right?

00:32:58.840 You just have to.

00:32:59.640 You have to get involved, so.

00:33:01.820 Um, so you were not politically aware at all before this started.

00:33:04.760 And were you aware that your business, that medicine was so politicized?

00:33:08.980 Had you noticed it at all?

00:33:10.660 No, it's interesting that I went and looked at the data for Texas, because Texas has been

00:33:15.160 infiltrated by people from all over the country.

00:33:17.760 Oh, I'm aware.

00:33:18.880 Yeah, 33% population.

00:33:21.000 It's going to be California.

00:33:21.940 Yeah, it is.

00:33:22.820 And, um, uh, you look at healthcare professionals, what they donated, like, to political parties.

00:33:30.180 Um, and 10 years ago, they primarily donated to Republicans, and now they primarily donate

00:33:38.060 to Democrats.

00:33:39.780 The whole profession has shifted.

00:33:41.520 I have a theory for why, but you, you're the doctor, so you tell me what you think the

00:33:45.320 cause of that is.

00:33:46.120 Uh, well, I think medicine in general, I mean, the corporate practice, it's become the corporate

00:33:52.140 practice in medicine.

00:33:53.340 It's become centralized.

00:33:55.180 It's, you know, only 1% of doctors are not employed on one of those, but.

00:33:59.320 Not employed.

00:33:59.920 Like, so, 77% of doctors are employed by a hospital, 20% are employed by private equity

00:34:09.000 or, um, an insurance company, and 2% are employed by the government, and only 1% are like myself,

00:34:17.980 where.

00:34:18.440 Okay, so your choice is, like, your corporate douche overlords, private equity or insurance

00:34:26.300 companies, if it's, like, hilarious, like a joke, or the government.

00:34:29.120 Right.

00:34:30.060 Right.

00:34:30.840 Um, and you're in the 1% that has your own business.

00:34:34.620 Yep.

00:34:36.580 Maybe that's the answer right there.

00:34:38.720 Well, I think it is.

00:34:40.420 I mean, we have to, doctors need to regain their power.

00:34:44.760 They've lost all their power, and.

00:34:46.500 They have no power.

00:34:47.260 They have no power.

00:34:47.780 They're just like little worker bees getting ordered around.

00:34:50.060 I designed, so, I, when I got out of residency, I worked in a traditional practice, and I started.

00:34:56.720 What, doing, can you tell us doing what?

00:34:58.160 Just ear, nose, and throat, and sleep medicine.

00:35:00.780 And, um, it was small, but it was, it was easy, and, but I was always bothered by the

00:35:06.200 stranglehold that the insurance companies had over my ability to treat my patients.

00:35:10.480 So, like, one easy example is an ear, nose, and throat doctor, we do an endoscopic exam

00:35:15.380 of the nose.

00:35:16.080 It takes about an extra 10 minutes.

00:35:17.760 Not really a big deal.

00:35:19.460 Doesn't sound that fun, though, for the patient.

00:35:21.520 It's, it's really not bad.

00:35:22.860 You, you numb it up first with spray.

00:35:24.820 There's no shots.

00:35:25.620 Um, but if I did that, and I, and I marked the code on the sheet, on the receipt, the

00:35:33.380 patient might get some gigantic bill, like $400 for doing this little simple procedure,

00:35:38.880 which, as an ENT, it's pretty essential.

00:35:41.100 It's part of our, you know, makes us different from the primary care doctor.

00:35:44.980 We're able to look in there.

00:35:45.820 Um, so it would always stress me out in the back of my mind, like, I'm going to do this,

00:35:50.480 and is the patient going to get some big bill, right?

00:35:52.560 I hated it.

00:35:53.480 Um, so when I, I, you know, I took time off because I had, I had four boys in five years.

00:35:58.740 And I just.

00:35:59.720 Four boys?

00:36:00.500 Yes.

00:36:01.100 And, and, and, and, yes.

00:36:04.280 Was that like?

00:36:05.520 It was, it was chaotic, yes.

00:36:07.240 And I wasn't sure I was going to go back.

00:36:08.760 I, I, I started off, I'm just going to take a year off, and that led to seven years off.

00:36:13.500 I wasn't sure I was even going to go back to medicine, but as I got older, yeah,

00:36:18.160 it just kept nagging at me.

00:36:19.760 So I decided to go back, but I decided I was going to do it on my own terms.

00:36:23.160 So I call myself third-party free.

00:36:25.000 I don't contract with insurance companies.

00:36:27.220 I don't contract with hospitals, and I don't contract with the government.

00:36:30.980 And the only people I work for are my patients.

00:36:34.020 And it was.

00:36:34.440 So they just like give you a credit card when they come in, that's it.

00:36:36.620 Yes, but they, and they can file a receipt.

00:36:38.600 They can file a claim to their insurance company.

00:36:41.000 And, you know, it's very transparent.

00:36:43.620 Everybody knows how much everything costs.

00:36:46.240 And it's actually, you know, there's so many people that have very high deductible insurance

00:36:50.500 now that they're basically cash patients unless something catastrophic happens.

00:36:54.760 And if you go to a traditional doctor's practice, half the time they don't even know what to charge

00:37:00.720 you for a cash patient because they're just so entrenched with the insurance industry.

00:37:04.620 But there is a growing movement of doctors like myself, and I'm a specialist, so it's

00:37:10.320 a little unusual, but there's something called direct primary care.

00:37:13.680 And direct primary care is like affordable concierge care.

00:37:16.880 It's your paying cash, but it's the cost is typical like a gym membership.

00:37:22.180 So it's not super high.

00:37:23.820 You get a lot more access to your doctor.

00:37:26.100 You got a lot more time, probably more quality.

00:37:29.540 They're not always like-minded in terms of COVID.

00:37:33.800 And to me, that's a litmus test for your doctor.

00:37:36.620 But it's a better way of doing it.

00:37:39.300 You get much more access, higher quality care, more time.

00:37:43.640 And, you know, save your insurance for the catastrophic care.

00:37:47.660 That's what we do for our cars.

00:37:49.660 And, you know, use your HSA, so health savings account, if you can get one of those.

00:37:56.280 And the government could expand those and make those more available for people because

00:38:00.500 right now it's sort of limited based on your employer.

00:38:03.800 But if you can pay out of pocket for your basics, then you are likely to have a better experience.

00:38:11.880 I think it's in, but it also frees the doctor to think independently.

00:38:15.760 Right.

00:38:16.340 And to think on behalf of patients.

00:38:20.620 Why didn't you get the COVID shot?

00:38:22.640 I almost got it.

00:38:25.020 I, in my mind, I thought, okay, this thing, I don't think it's going to work.

00:38:30.760 But I didn't think it was going to hurt people.

00:38:32.240 I just thought, I just don't think it's going to work.

00:38:34.060 Why?

00:38:34.380 Why did you think that?

00:38:35.560 Because I trusted, I trusted.

00:38:38.020 Yeah, I really had never given the FDA, CDC, HHS a thought.

00:38:41.660 I really hadn't, they weren't on my radar.

00:38:43.280 I just sort of assumed that everything was fine.

00:38:45.060 Well, but because you assumed that, it's interesting that you didn't think the shot would work.

00:38:52.600 Right.

00:38:53.040 Well, I mean, it's just because of the speed.

00:38:54.720 I thought, well, how are they going to get this together so quickly that it's going to work?

00:38:59.080 I also, I looked at the study, and I looked at how they conducted the study, and I didn't like how they did that.

00:39:05.520 So, the people, the test subjects were not routinely tested.

00:39:10.680 They were just tested that the doctor felt like they needed to be tested, which seemed a little too muddy to me.

00:39:16.700 So, I had a hesitation on that regard, too.

00:39:20.860 And then I showed up, but, you know, I had this looming deadline because I had privileges at Houston Methodist, and you had to sign an attestation.

00:39:28.520 And the attestation said that you either got the shot or you intended to get the shot.

00:39:33.820 So, I just woke up on a Saturday morning, and I'm like, I'll just do it.

00:39:37.500 Let's just get it over with.

00:39:38.200 I went to a grocery store, and I stood in line where everybody should get their medical care, right?

00:39:46.700 Go to the grocery store.

00:39:48.880 Yeah, right.

00:39:50.560 Stood in line, and the line was long, and I got impatient.

00:39:55.340 And I was like, I'm going to leave.

00:39:56.440 I'll come back another time.

00:39:57.540 And I never came back.

00:39:59.300 Why?

00:40:00.420 Why didn't I go back?

00:40:01.420 Yeah, I mean, that's just, it's a big deal.

00:40:03.180 You've got privileges at this hospital.

00:40:06.200 You know, you treat patients, but this is part of your business.

00:40:08.440 You're getting paid.

00:40:10.040 And you're a doctor, so you kind of have to get the shot.

00:40:12.520 Like, we're all on board.

00:40:13.540 Everyone's doing this.

00:40:14.480 And they really were mad at doctors who didn't take it because that's, and nurses, because that's such a statement.

00:40:23.080 Well, I mean, here's how I justified it in my mind.

00:40:26.400 I never stepped foot in that hospital.

00:40:28.080 I had privileges there just as an emergency situation.

00:40:32.480 So, it wasn't like, okay, let's say I got COVID because I didn't get the shot, and then I'm going around the hospital infecting everybody.

00:40:39.180 I wasn't in the hospital.

00:40:40.200 I also knew that early treatment worked.

00:40:42.560 So, I knew that, you know, this shot was not necessary because I was seeing it first time.

00:40:47.920 I know, but there's so much pressure on everybody, particularly on physicians at that point, to do it.

00:40:52.200 If you don't do it, it's a big hassle.

00:40:53.700 You knew that.

00:40:54.620 It was going to be a hassle.

00:40:55.360 And so, just like, I don't know, the tide is moving really briskly in one direction, and you decide to swim against it.

00:41:04.200 That's more than just like a casual decision.

00:41:06.500 That's a serious decision.

00:41:07.980 And I'm just trying to get to the heart of why you made it.

00:41:10.560 Because you're clearly a thoughtful person.

00:41:12.600 You're a doctor.

00:41:14.220 You don't just do random things one day.

00:41:16.640 It's like, what was it?

00:41:17.840 Was it instinct?

00:41:19.020 I think it was more, yeah, instinct.

00:41:21.140 And everything was so busy during that time.

00:41:25.240 I mean, I couldn't think straight.

00:41:26.960 I mean, we were, it was just slammed.

00:41:29.920 And I just remember thinking, oh, I'm just going to go get this over with and just knock this off my list.

00:41:34.980 And then when it didn't happen, I thought, well, this is a sign.

00:41:39.140 You know, I'm not going back.

00:41:42.720 So, it may just be instinct.

00:41:45.160 Or providence.

00:41:46.400 Providence.

00:41:46.760 That's okay.

00:41:49.580 So, I mean, that decision changed your life, of course, because it puts you on the other side from everyone else.

00:41:56.720 Yeah.

00:41:57.880 How did your patients do with COVID?

00:42:01.200 Everybody.

00:42:01.960 So, I used to give out my cell phone to everybody, especially, you know, the sick ones.

00:42:06.780 Everybody that got early treatment survived.

00:42:09.580 I even had some really, really sick people come in in the second, third week.

00:42:15.440 So, second, third week is when the inflammatory cascades set in and people will get really sick.

00:42:21.420 I had a man come in with an oxygen saturation in the 60s.

00:42:25.660 And he was not a healthy guy.

00:42:27.140 He had a history of a heart attack.

00:42:28.500 He had a history of throat cancer.

00:42:30.680 He was a veteran.

00:42:32.020 And he basically said, I'm not going to the hospital.

00:42:34.920 Because normally, if somebody walked to my office like that, I'd call the ambulance and say, hey.

00:42:39.600 Yeah.

00:42:40.000 But I had to allow him to potentially die in my office, which was very scary.

00:42:45.120 But, and I had a handful of people like this.

00:42:47.620 He wasn't the only.

00:42:47.840 So, he sounds like he's on the brink.

00:42:49.720 Yeah.

00:42:50.000 No, he was bad.

00:42:52.060 But, you know, I had nurses that could do IVs.

00:42:55.000 So, we gave him high-dose steroids in the IV.

00:42:58.120 We gave him antibiotics, breathing treatments, high-dose IV vitamin C.

00:43:01.780 We gave him high-dose ivermectin.

00:43:03.700 And we brought him in every day as an outpatient.

00:43:06.680 Because I didn't have a hospital bed in my office.

00:43:09.380 And he survived.

00:43:11.560 And I had a lot like that.

00:43:13.240 So, it was very gratifying.

00:43:15.040 I learned a lot.

00:43:16.180 I mean, I learned that just because somebody's oxygen saturation is low, they don't need to be immediately put on a ventilator, which is the dogma that we came into the pandemic with.

00:43:26.680 But I think that dogma has changed, or at least I'm not in medicine, of course.

00:43:30.000 But for normal people, there is a sense that, like, stay away from ventilators.

00:43:34.940 Right.

00:43:35.220 Do you think that's a fair feeling?

00:43:38.240 Yeah.

00:43:38.820 I mean, I can see why doctors did it initially.

00:43:40.860 Of course.

00:43:41.180 I get it.

00:43:41.600 Yeah.

00:43:42.120 Because, you know, if somebody's struggling to breathe, that's a really scary, distressful feeling for a patient.

00:43:47.400 Yes.

00:43:47.720 When you can't get enough oxygen.

00:43:49.380 It's horrible.

00:43:51.420 So, I can understand.

00:43:52.840 But I guess what I don't understand is why they didn't do more to keep him off the ventilator.

00:43:58.380 It's bizarre to me.

00:43:59.500 I mean, they gave him steroids, but they gave him very small doses of steroids.

00:44:03.500 I mean, why didn't they just throw the kitchen sink at these people?

00:44:06.160 And they just got stuck in these protocols and just basically allowed people to die.

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00:44:23.140 Well, because I grew up shooting, bird hunting, target shooting.

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00:46:32.280 So, you said you didn't want to go to the hospital.

00:46:35.940 I live in an obviously tiny world like we all do, but I don't know anybody in my world who wants to go to the hospital.

00:46:43.360 I know a lot of people who have resolved, I'm never going to the hospital.

00:46:47.160 And they really, you know, I've seen it.

00:46:49.100 Very sick people, I'm not going.

00:46:50.340 What do you think of that attitude?

00:46:53.960 Yeah, I realized I've been in the hospital seven times.

00:46:56.800 And I know, well, childbirth.

00:46:58.660 As a physician?

00:46:59.400 Oh, well, childbirth, yeah.

00:46:59.980 As a patient, as a patient, yeah.

00:47:01.960 And one of them, I was really sick.

00:47:03.420 I mean, I had pneumonia and sepsis, and I'm very grateful to the people who helped me.

00:47:08.940 And this is from the flu, and I had gotten a flu shot, by the way.

00:47:12.260 Um, but now, like you said, I mean, everybody is terrified to go to the hospital.

00:47:20.340 I mean, the hospital used to be the place you go.

00:47:22.000 Of course.

00:47:22.700 The safe place.

00:47:23.240 That's where you go.

00:47:23.820 Exactly.

00:47:24.100 The safe place.

00:47:25.460 And now people are terrified to go to the hospital.

00:47:28.100 And so, you know, our current administration needs, if they don't do anything, that's a big problem because the trust has just been destroyed.

00:47:38.200 Do you see that with your patients?

00:47:39.280 Oh, yeah, that's the most common question I get is, where should I go if I need to go to the hospital?

00:47:44.340 And I don't have a great answer for them.

00:47:46.700 You know, your best bet is just keep yourself healthy.

00:47:49.040 I mean, the biggest thing people can do is keep themselves healthy, manage your diet, manage your stress, get enough sleep, exercise, get enough sun, and just stay out of the hospital.

00:48:02.380 But keeping your weight under control is probably number one.

00:48:05.820 Is it really?

00:48:06.440 Mm-hmm.

00:48:08.480 Why?

00:48:09.740 Because you gain weight, you're more susceptible to infection, you're more susceptible to heart disease, you're more susceptible to cancer.

00:48:18.800 And those are the big three.

00:48:20.020 And you have to buy new clothes, which is unacceptable.

00:48:22.980 Yeah.

00:48:23.540 You don't want to buy new clothes.

00:48:24.820 Right.

00:48:25.180 I'm just kidding.

00:48:25.400 Well, but, you know, if you lose weight, you have to put, I've, so I did carnivore for six months and I had to buy a whole new wardrobe.

00:48:33.540 I'm speaking as a man.

00:48:36.160 You can't buy new clothes.

00:48:37.020 You can't?

00:48:37.680 No.

00:48:38.000 Why?

00:48:38.360 Not a lot.

00:48:38.740 It's against the rules.

00:48:39.600 Oh, oh.

00:48:40.220 Can't buy new clothes.

00:48:42.180 That's what keeps me in line.

00:48:43.180 It's just, sorry.

00:48:47.740 Really?

00:48:48.140 It worked that well?

00:48:50.200 I weigh now what I weighed in high school.

00:48:51.860 I never thought I'd get to that point.

00:48:53.260 I did it for six months and, you know, it's not for everybody, but I will say it's a lot safer than Ozempic and Mangiorno and it's very simple.

00:49:04.220 I mean, you, you basically eliminate all carbohydrates from your diet and you just eat meat and fat.

00:49:11.160 Yeah.

00:49:11.740 And you snack on bacon.

00:49:13.140 I mean, it's crazy.

00:49:14.100 And you're like shedding pounds.

00:49:16.520 It's boring, but it's simple.

00:49:18.260 You don't count calories.

00:49:19.480 You don't get hungry.

00:49:20.360 I mean, you do go through the sugar withdrawal.

00:49:21.760 Sugar is very addictive.

00:49:23.760 You think?

00:49:24.880 So, but.

00:49:26.540 What do you think of fasting?

00:49:28.720 Yeah, I tried the intermittent fasting.

00:49:31.240 It did not work for me.

00:49:32.600 I've heard that for women, it's not as effective.

00:49:36.000 I worry that it slows down metabolism, but, you know, I have never tried it and I know people swear by it.

00:49:43.920 So, you don't have a good answer on the hospital question, I noticed.

00:49:47.660 Oh, how to fix that?

00:49:50.280 No, like, what do you do if you get sick?

00:49:52.500 Like, like, your answer was don't get sick.

00:49:55.260 Well, if you have to go to the hospital, be prepared.

00:49:58.200 Have somebody with you.

00:50:00.060 Have your, there is a patient bill of rights.

00:50:03.100 You have rights in the hospital.

00:50:04.340 Make sure you know those rights.

00:50:05.220 I haven't noticed them.

00:50:05.920 Yeah, they don't, they don't advertise them.

00:50:08.340 Why do doctors patronize patients?

00:50:09.980 Oh, yeah.

00:50:10.540 So, that, that's a bit, and it's.

00:50:12.160 What is that?

00:50:12.880 Treating them like children?

00:50:14.380 Well, when I started 20, 23 years ago, patients didn't have a lot of access to information.

00:50:21.980 Not like they have now.

00:50:22.900 So, we were in charge.

00:50:25.940 We were definitely in charge because we had the information and patients really, unless

00:50:29.620 they had textbooks, they didn't have it because it wasn't, we didn't have online information.

00:50:35.340 And now, I mean, patients are well informed.

00:50:38.660 And so, every conversation I have with a patient, I'm, I know that they have been researching

00:50:44.840 and they have a lot of information at their disposal.

00:50:47.560 And I think a lot of doctors don't like that.

00:50:50.080 I embrace it because, I mean, I learn from my patients.

00:50:54.180 And if, if a patient finds something, I will dig into it because I don't have time to dig

00:50:58.540 into all of everything, right?

00:51:00.060 And you see weird things and I like it, but I think that doctors don't like that.

00:51:06.880 It's, it's a power thing.

00:51:08.860 And, um, I mean, it can be frustrating on the flip side.

00:51:12.280 If you feel like you really know what's going on and you're challenged by something, somebody's

00:51:17.200 read on the internet, that can be frustrating.

00:51:19.720 Um, but it's, um, yeah, the doctors just don't, it's, it's a power thing and an ego thing,

00:51:27.560 mostly.

00:51:28.820 That was my suspicion.

00:51:30.920 Um, so what did you end up thinking of the shot, the COVID shot?

00:51:36.880 It's horrible.

00:51:37.680 It needs to be pulled off the market.

00:51:39.400 Should have been pulled off the market a long time ago.

00:51:41.820 I looked at my patients in the two years following the rollout of the COVID shots and

00:51:46.580 7% of my new patients were coming to see me for severe injuries.

00:51:50.940 I've never seen anything like it with any other product on the market.

00:51:54.720 If this were an antibiotic and you were seeing all these side effects, it would have been

00:51:58.360 yanked off a long time ago.

00:51:59.940 So normally the FDA will put a black box warning on a medication.

00:52:05.200 If there've been five deaths, they will pull it off the market.

00:52:08.560 If there've been 50.

00:52:10.400 Well, according to VAERS, which VAERS is vaccine adverse event reporting system.

00:52:16.740 And it's, it's vastly under underreported, which I have seen firsthand.

00:52:21.540 But it's been in place for 50 years or something.

00:52:23.400 I mean, it's longitudinal.

00:52:24.560 So we can see the response to all these different medications, right?

00:52:29.340 According to VAERS, there've been 38,000 deaths from these COVID shots.

00:52:33.920 So under normal circumstances, the FDA would have pulled it.

00:52:37.700 But instead, they've doubled down.

00:52:39.320 They've put the shots on the childhood vaccine schedule.

00:52:43.560 All babies are expected to get three COVID shots by the time they're nine months old.

00:52:48.220 The shots are still under EUA status for this age group.

00:52:52.880 So under 12, they're not even fully approved by the FDA.

00:52:56.020 And yet they're on the vaccine schedule.

00:52:58.360 And according to the CDC, nine million American children have gotten the latest version of these

00:53:03.240 COVID shots.

00:53:04.400 Yes.

00:53:05.060 Yes.

00:53:05.300 Still?

00:53:05.940 Yes.

00:53:06.440 Yes.

00:53:06.960 Nine million.

00:53:08.720 12%.

00:53:09.400 The concern I have with these kids.

00:53:14.460 So we know myocarditis.

00:53:15.560 Wait, this is going on right now?

00:53:17.520 Yes.

00:53:18.220 I think we voted against this.

00:53:22.500 Yeah.

00:53:23.280 Correct?

00:53:23.960 I don't know.

00:53:26.440 You're very diplomatic.

00:53:28.760 But I'm just stunned to learn that that's happening right now.

00:53:32.080 Yeah.

00:53:33.160 Could this be shut down?

00:53:35.140 It should have been shut down a long time ago.

00:53:38.060 And, you know, what's...

00:53:39.760 Nine million babies have had COVID shots?

00:53:43.000 Yeah.

00:53:43.280 Well, children.

00:53:44.180 Children.

00:53:44.380 Minors.

00:53:45.060 Mm-hmm.

00:53:45.300 Is it compulsory?

00:53:52.160 It's still compulsory in some states.

00:53:54.660 Yes.

00:53:54.920 In some businesses.

00:53:56.280 Not in Texas.

00:53:57.060 So Texas actually passed a law outlawing mandates for COVID shots.

00:54:02.120 Um, but I actually reached out to people on Twitter yesterday and they said, all these

00:54:08.140 people say, yeah, it's still requiring the shots for jobs or a nursing program or, uh,

00:54:15.140 even transplants.

00:54:16.340 So we're going to let you die unless you get the shot.

00:54:21.700 Yep.

00:54:22.000 Um, how could we fix that?

00:54:27.780 Well, the shots need to be pulled off the market immediately.

00:54:31.300 Who could do that?

00:54:32.860 Who could do that?

00:54:33.820 The FDA.

00:54:34.980 Okay.

00:54:35.280 So Marty Macari, he could do that.

00:54:40.540 Um, and then we need accountability.

00:54:43.920 I mean, we need, we can't sweep this under the rug because we will never restore that trust.

00:54:49.900 And that's, that's the key thing is if nothing happens, it's just a festering wound and, uh,

00:54:56.960 the trust will never come back.

00:54:59.580 Are there any indications that this is coming soon?

00:55:03.060 I mean, I'm not privy to conversations in the government, but.

00:55:06.400 I think you probably follow this as closely as anybody.

00:55:08.420 There's so much going on.

00:55:09.440 So I'm going to just plead ignorance on that basis.

00:55:11.780 There's like a lot.

00:55:12.720 Yeah.

00:55:13.560 Multiple wars and the economy and, you know, there's just a lot to distract you from this

00:55:18.140 question, but I think it's a really important question, but you are focused on it.

00:55:21.420 Have you seen any sign at all that these products, which according to the

00:55:26.840 self-reporting system, VAERS, have killed 38,000 people that they're going to be pulled

00:55:30.620 off the market?

00:55:31.660 I have not.

00:55:32.520 I mean, I, it seems to me that HHS, their focus now has shifted or I don't know, their

00:55:38.860 focus is, uh, on food and food quality and, uh, improving that.

00:55:45.740 Um, and I haven't heard a word about COVID or the COVID shots.

00:55:50.800 Really?

00:55:52.900 Not, I mean, maybe I've missed something, but.

00:55:55.740 But that's, I mean, I'm just reading what you're reading.

00:56:00.220 I mean, I don't.

00:56:00.940 Food is like smoking and, and I love bad food and I love smoking.

00:56:04.820 I don't smoke anymore, but I, I loved it.

00:56:07.740 And I, I'll just say that and I don't hate me for it, but it's just true.

00:56:10.160 That's why people do it.

00:56:10.900 Cause they love it.

00:56:12.140 And I love pizza.

00:56:13.960 I don't think I ever smoked a cigarette.

00:56:15.840 I don't think I've ever eaten a slice of pizza without knowing it was bad for me.

00:56:18.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:56:20.180 It's common sense.

00:56:21.020 It's, it is common sense.

00:56:22.520 I mean, I do think like we shouldn't allow food stamps or snap to be used for Coca-Cola.

00:56:27.480 Okay.

00:56:27.840 Obviously there are changes you can make for sure.

00:56:30.780 But like, you know, when you're eating garbage, that's why we call it garbage.

00:56:34.820 I'm 55.

00:56:35.420 They called it that in 1975.

00:56:37.060 They'd be like, Ooh, you're junk food.

00:56:39.060 You know what junk food is.

00:56:40.700 Right.

00:56:41.340 It's the delicious stuff.

00:56:42.420 So like, I'm not, I mean, I think it's important.

00:56:46.140 I do think eating right is important and I try not going to eat any freaking vegetables

00:56:52.660 though, but whatever.

00:56:54.940 But like the COVID stuff seemed that the VAT, the shot seems like an imminent threat.

00:57:03.160 Yes.

00:57:03.560 And my concern, giving it to babies because myocarditis, you're positive that's actually

00:57:09.460 happening.

00:57:10.000 Babies are getting this.

00:57:10.800 Oh yeah.

00:57:11.280 Oh yeah, definitely.

00:57:13.100 You can find it on the CDC.

00:57:14.420 I trust you.

00:57:15.120 It's freaking me out.

00:57:16.120 I didn't know that.

00:57:17.280 Yeah.

00:57:17.560 That's why we can't let this just go away.

00:57:21.760 Babies.

00:57:22.440 So myocarditis, we know there's an increased risk of myocarditis in teenage boys who take

00:57:27.600 these shots.

00:57:29.120 We don't know what that risk is for nonverbal babies because the symptom is chest pain.

00:57:35.960 So a baby, the baby could be getting myocarditis and we have no idea.

00:57:40.620 Myocarditis can leave a scar on the heart and then years later, you know, the heart is permanently.

00:57:49.100 Right.

00:57:49.660 You're playing lacrosse and you drop.

00:57:51.180 Right.

00:57:51.340 And that's my big concern.

00:57:53.960 These babies could be getting myocarditis and we have no idea.

00:57:57.360 Do you believe that those shots are responsible for permanent immune system damage?

00:58:02.840 I think, well, what I have been looking at is spike protein antibody levels.

00:58:08.920 So when you get a vaccine, you can traditionally we call them titers.

00:58:14.680 So like people who get hepatitis B vaccine, you can look at the titers, the antibody levels

00:58:21.000 and see if you have protection.

00:58:23.640 We do that as in the hospital a lot.

00:58:25.740 So they want to make sure if you work in the hospital, if you get stuck by a needle, you're

00:58:29.780 not going to get hepatitis B.

00:58:30.740 So I've started looking at these spike protein antibody levels and it's alarming because the

00:58:36.500 people I can tell immediately if somebody had the shot in the vaccinated, these antibody

00:58:42.040 levels are I did an average last night, 13,000 and the unvaccinated average is a thousand.

00:58:49.360 So there's huge discrepancy.

00:58:51.040 And this is years after the shot?

00:58:52.440 Yeah.

00:58:52.700 Years after.

00:58:53.520 And these people, most of these people have gotten two, maybe three.

00:58:56.520 Nobody's gotten more than that.

00:58:59.340 And none of these people have been sick recently with COVID.

00:59:03.440 So it's very alarming to me.

00:59:05.120 It suggests, I mean, we don't know, but it suggests that spike protein is still active

00:59:11.220 and still replicating possibly in the body.

00:59:15.000 I mean, the mRNA in these shots is not mRNA.

00:59:18.180 It's a synthetic mRNA.

00:59:20.420 And it was made to avoid degradation.

00:59:24.640 So it's made to stay in the body.

00:59:27.620 That was the purpose of it, of modifying it.

00:59:31.380 So when I see these levels like this, it really concerns me that we have an issue with

00:59:37.580 this ongoing spike protein in the body.

00:59:40.960 What are the consequences of that, do you think?

00:59:44.220 Well, I think cancer is a big concern.

00:59:47.060 I think immune dysfunction.

00:59:48.760 How would that affect cancer?

00:59:50.060 Well, the spike protein is oncogenic.

00:59:54.720 Your Shun Sheen talked about that.

00:59:58.980 So viruses can be oncogenic.

01:00:02.020 It appears that the spike protein, the mRNA shots have SV40 in it, which is an oncogenic

01:00:08.420 virus.

01:00:11.280 There's something called frame shifting.

01:00:12.820 So when the mRNA is in production, is integrating, that it can produce new proteins just by little

01:00:22.540 mistakes that happen.

01:00:23.940 So these new proteins, we don't know what they are, but they could cause autoimmune disease

01:00:28.600 and possibly cancer as well.

01:00:32.620 There's just a lot unknowns.

01:00:34.260 I mean, we don't even, we need a test to detect spike protein.

01:00:37.540 All we have now is antibody test.

01:00:41.260 We really need a lot more, we need an antidote.

01:00:44.360 We need, I mean, I am struggling because I have all these injured people and I usually

01:00:48.620 start with ivermectin and ivermectin helps.

01:00:51.260 It binds the spike protein and it's anti-inflammatory, but we're really limited and we need a solution.

01:00:57.340 So we need the NIH to really dig into this and help these injured patients because they're

01:01:03.960 very challenging and, you know, we're sort of just, you know, experimenting because we

01:01:09.840 don't know.

01:01:10.420 And they're not helping?

01:01:12.480 I would say, I mean, I get, you know, I've tried a lot of things and my, the thing that

01:01:16.700 works the best is ivermectin, but it's slow going.

01:01:22.140 It's, you know, I usually put people on for a long period of time before saying, okay, this

01:01:27.180 is not going to work.

01:01:27.960 Um, and it's just hard because we, you know, there's just not, we need the NIH to step up

01:01:36.820 and help us.

01:01:38.240 Time for another true life Alp story.

01:01:39.860 I got a call from a friend of mine yesterday, honestly, true story, who said his girlfriend

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01:01:46.700 He wouldn't stop.

01:01:47.680 And I thought to myself, that's kind of sad.

01:01:48.960 And he said, no, it's not sad.

01:01:51.340 Imagine if I'd married her.

01:01:54.080 Now I know I was saved.

01:01:56.220 Then the next day, this same friend is driving at twice the speed limit through a major American

01:02:00.780 city, pulled over by a cop in a speed trap.

01:02:02.960 Cop takes his license registration, goes back to the patrol car, runs him, comes back, looks

01:02:06.740 in the window and sees a tin of Alp on the dashboard, pauses, stunned, says to my friend, you use

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01:02:13.460 Yeah, I do, says my friend.

01:02:14.880 So do I, says the cop.

01:02:15.860 We all do.

01:02:16.860 He looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes, drive safely, sir, and hands back his license

01:02:20.560 and registration.

01:02:21.200 No ticket.

01:02:21.740 So in two days, he's saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn't like Alp and

01:02:27.740 a speeding ticket.

01:02:28.840 All true.

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01:02:32.660 In an age to 350 million people, we're guessing there are about 350 million Alp stories.

01:02:37.120 Email us yours.

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01:02:51.740 So one of the primary platforms we use for distribution is YouTube, which in general

01:02:58.760 has been great, actually, if I'm being honest.

01:03:01.060 A lot less censorship than I got at any television job I ever had.

01:03:04.900 So we're really grateful to YouTube.

01:03:07.380 I never thought I'd say that.

01:03:08.880 But the one area where we get censored by YouTube is when we talk about the COVID shot,

01:03:13.940 which I think is really interesting.

01:03:16.780 Um, so this will probably be censored on YouTube, but I just want to, I just want to ask you,

01:03:22.540 but you're a physician, clinical physician, you're treating people, thousands of people.

01:03:29.120 Um, and so I, I feel like I have to ask you this.

01:03:31.760 Tell us about the injuries you are seeing.

01:03:35.060 So I don't get the, the sudden, you know, collapse, uh, myocarditis, stroke sort of situation

01:03:43.040 because I'm outpatient.

01:03:44.020 The soccer players.

01:03:44.580 Right.

01:03:45.140 I see, I see the, um, yeah, it's, it varies, but, uh, I've seen some very strange rashes

01:03:51.520 that don't go away with steroids and antihistamines and have actually like rashes, like bumpy, red,

01:03:59.000 splotchy.

01:03:59.520 I mean, I had this poor kid, 15 years old.

01:04:01.440 It was all over his face, all over his body.

01:04:04.040 And he responded so well to ivermectin.

01:04:06.600 That was a great case.

01:04:08.480 Um, so are you sure that was Vax related?

01:04:11.700 Yeah, it came on right.

01:04:13.120 I mean, he had no prior history.

01:04:15.240 He's 15.

01:04:16.100 He's 15.

01:04:17.060 It came on right after the COVID shots.

01:04:20.160 Um, the, I see POTS.

01:04:23.360 So POTS is, uh, when the blood pressure drops suddenly or goes up real high suddenly for no

01:04:30.840 clear trigger.

01:04:31.720 And your pulse may, uh, be erratic as well.

01:04:36.000 That's been a big thing with the COVID patients.

01:04:38.460 That's very difficult to, to fix.

01:04:40.720 I've seen a lot of neurological.

01:04:42.240 Can I ask you about POTS?

01:04:43.160 What does POTS stand for?

01:04:44.100 POTS are postural orthostatic, uh, hyper or temporal hypertension, uh, postural orthostatic

01:04:52.100 syncope.

01:04:53.620 I don't understand a single word of that.

01:04:55.360 I probably shouldn't have asked you, but like, what are its effects?

01:04:58.040 But so, so you feel faint.

01:04:59.640 So you, you may just be standing there and your blood pressure drops or, or your, um,

01:05:05.140 or your pulse goes up way high and you feel like you're having a panic attack, that sort

01:05:09.000 of thing.

01:05:09.880 Um, so it's symptomatic changes in your blood pressure that occur without any kind of trigger.

01:05:15.480 What?

01:05:15.980 I mean, that sounds like it could be dangerous.

01:05:17.680 Yeah.

01:05:17.960 Yeah.

01:05:18.240 It's, it's very, and it's very hard to treat.

01:05:21.240 So I see a lot of that.

01:05:22.640 I've seen neurological, um, tremors.

01:05:25.960 Um, oh, come on.

01:05:27.320 Oh yeah.

01:05:27.660 Yeah.

01:05:27.820 No, no.

01:05:28.600 Tremors.

01:05:29.000 I've saw a patient a little bit older than me, CEO of a company.

01:05:33.640 He came in and he gave me his business card and he said, hi, I'm this so-and-so.

01:05:38.780 And he, and he gave me his other card and he'd go, and this is the biggest mistake I've

01:05:41.760 ever made in my life.

01:05:42.500 He gave me his vaccine card.

01:05:44.320 Um, very difficult to, to, I mean, we've gotten a little bit of improvement, but just,

01:05:50.540 you know, in a lot of fatigue.

01:05:52.500 Hand tremors?

01:05:53.420 Whole body, his whole body.

01:05:55.640 No way.

01:05:57.340 Yeah.

01:05:57.700 Even when he sleeps?

01:06:00.620 That's got to affect every part of your life.

01:06:02.360 A lot of these patients say they feel a lot of burning, like pins and needles when they

01:06:06.660 sleep.

01:06:08.120 Um, which, which is typical with neuropathy.

01:06:12.060 Um, so.

01:06:13.480 That sounds like a life destroyer.

01:06:14.900 No, yeah.

01:06:15.540 It's, it's bad.

01:06:16.880 And they don't just, it's not like giving them an antibiotic and a week later they're better.

01:06:20.720 These are chronic conditions.

01:06:24.220 Um, and the, and the government's not helping.

01:06:27.180 So, you know, Breon Dresson of React 19.

01:06:30.940 I don't know if she, so React 19 is a organization started to help the injured from, you know,

01:06:35.660 with the COVID shots.

01:06:36.500 The head of that organization was involved in the AstraZeneca trial.

01:06:41.060 So she was a, she volunteered to be a guinea pig and she got injured.

01:06:45.160 Government just came out and said they're not going to help her.

01:06:47.560 They're not going to give her any kind of financial reimbursement.

01:06:52.140 When?

01:06:53.460 No, maybe a week or two ago.

01:06:57.740 I don't understand.

01:06:59.080 Like, we didn't vote for this at all.

01:07:00.760 Right.

01:07:03.800 Well, I mean, the government was, in her case, she was part of the clinical trials, you said.

01:07:09.440 Right.

01:07:10.240 But everybody else, not including me and you, uh, took it because we were, you know,

01:07:16.880 subject of like the biggest propaganda campaign in American history.

01:07:19.520 So we were forced by the government to take it.

01:07:22.500 Right.

01:07:25.460 By the way, why aren't the companies paying these people?

01:07:28.380 Companies have no, uh, liability risk with these products.

01:07:33.420 And the PrEP Act even further protects them.

01:07:37.060 So it's very hard.

01:07:37.300 When was the PrEP Act passed?

01:07:39.340 It is not, um, it does not expire until 2029.

01:07:44.420 And so under the PrEP Act, they're even more shielded?

01:07:47.740 Anything that happened, anything that's designated as a countermeasure is protected.

01:07:52.500 So anything that happens in the hospitals, anything that happens from these shots, uh, it's all protected from liability.

01:07:59.900 There, there is one really monumental lawsuit going on that could change that.

01:08:08.900 Uh, Brooke Jackson is a whistleblower for, for Pfizer and she was involved in the research.

01:08:16.700 So she was at the clinical trial sites.

01:08:18.740 She was, uh, the manager and she was seeing all sorts of issues with the way they were conducting the trial.

01:08:24.920 And she brought that to the company's attention.

01:08:28.300 She brought that to the FDA's attention and she was fired.

01:08:31.020 So she has been in this gigantic legal battle against Pfizer, um, for a long time now.

01:08:38.120 I think we're going on four years.

01:08:39.780 And unfortunately, and this was during Biden, the DOJ stepped in and, and basically said, no, you can't sue Pfizer.

01:08:49.380 It's crazy.

01:08:50.500 You can't sue Pfizer?

01:08:51.460 Oh, of course.

01:08:52.560 You can't sue Pfizer.

01:08:53.460 But the DOJ stuck up for Pfizer, which is not usually how that works.

01:08:58.900 Um, I'm surprised they didn't arrest her for complaining.

01:09:00.800 Exactly.

01:09:03.260 This has got to be making you pretty radical.

01:09:06.780 It doesn't seem very radical to me.

01:09:08.800 Seems like common sense.

01:09:10.240 Yeah.

01:09:10.860 You don't seem like a radical person, but this is, makes me feel radical.

01:09:14.580 So neurological symptoms and you, and you're pretty convinced those are also from the shot.

01:09:19.680 Well, you look at, okay, what was their past history?

01:09:23.960 Do they have any issues?

01:09:25.180 Were they otherwise healthy?

01:09:26.420 And then when did these things start happening?

01:09:29.200 And we, the timeline.

01:09:31.020 And then the other thing is they typically go to other doctors and they get the million dollar workup and they can't find anything to explain it.

01:09:39.740 And the doctors are baffled.

01:09:41.520 Uh, they put them on psychiatric medications.

01:09:44.000 Not really.

01:09:44.700 Oh yeah.

01:09:45.080 I saw one patient on a sleeping pill, a benzodiazepine, and an antidepressant.

01:09:51.260 SSRI?

01:09:51.900 Mm-hmm.

01:09:56.840 Why do we have so many mass shooters in this country?

01:09:58.900 I don't know.

01:09:59.660 It's baffling.

01:10:01.320 Um, that's shocking.

01:10:02.940 So they used to, I mean, in just American culture, they used to make fun of 19th century medical cures for hysteria.

01:10:11.020 Mm-hmm.

01:10:11.960 You know, it was always like, you know, the Victorian medical cures and one would have a problem and they'd be like, here's a giant vibrator or, do you know what I mean?

01:10:20.300 Like, literally they made that.

01:10:22.120 Like, it's all in your head, honey, calm down.

01:10:24.600 Yeah.

01:10:24.780 And that was like a, a trope.

01:10:27.020 Yeah.

01:10:28.000 And, and I was, I'm hardly a feminist, but I was kind of sympathetic to that.

01:10:32.420 Like, don't, don't just like dismiss people.

01:10:34.460 You know what I mean?

01:10:35.060 Right, right, right.

01:10:35.240 Tell them they're hysterical.

01:10:36.420 Right.

01:10:37.460 But that's, that's what you're describing.

01:10:39.380 Yes.

01:10:40.300 They don't get reported to VAERS.

01:10:42.120 I've had to report every single patient that came to my, to see me for an injury.

01:10:46.380 I was the one, even though they'd seen multiple other doctors, it was me that had to report it to VAERS.

01:10:51.720 So I know it's underreported.

01:10:53.320 VAERS is one of those things.

01:10:55.360 I love the idea of VAERS and it, I remember reading the VAERS report in 2021 when I worked on, in television and just going on one night and reading it, like, here's what's been reported from this compound that people are being forced to take.

01:11:15.380 And man, I got so attacked by, you know, the Atlantic Magazine and everybody.

01:11:20.020 It's like, no, this is a federal reporting system.

01:11:22.740 Right.

01:11:22.840 And that was kind of the last I ever heard of VAERS.

01:11:25.120 Like, no one ever mentions it.

01:11:26.400 Like, what's the, what's the point of having it if it's like irrelevant?

01:11:30.360 Yeah, it's not subtle.

01:11:31.760 If you look on there, you don't, you don't have to have a degree in statistics to understand what's going on.

01:11:36.500 I mean, it's like, nothing's happening.

01:11:38.320 And then whoosh, you know, just, it's not subtle.

01:11:42.120 It was in place during the rollout of a bunch of other vaccines.

01:11:45.900 Right.

01:11:46.120 Like, like, going a long way back.

01:11:47.940 So it's like, you know, measles, rubella, COVID.

01:11:53.580 Exactly.

01:11:54.140 Right?

01:11:54.500 Yeah.

01:11:54.680 I don't have any degree.

01:11:55.560 And I could, I could understand that.

01:11:58.340 So does that, do you ever hear federal officials make reference to VAERS?

01:12:01.120 Not to my knowledge.

01:12:04.940 I mean, I could have missed that, but no.

01:12:07.420 So the idea of VAERS seems to be that people are complaining again, they need to shut up.

01:12:12.280 Apparently.

01:12:12.960 It's one more thing that's being swept under the rug.

01:12:14.960 Um, okay.

01:12:17.960 So you've told a much sadder story than I expected to hear.

01:12:23.540 Um, are you concerned that because the technology in these shots was, you know, brand new, never deployed before at scale anyway?

01:12:33.900 Is that correct?

01:12:34.660 Right.

01:12:36.120 Um, and the, you know, the trials for these drugs were like, I think we can say it's fair to say a joke.

01:12:42.380 Right.

01:12:42.680 Uh, that there are consequences that like haven't manifest yet.

01:12:49.560 Yeah, it's, it's hard to get up-to-date cancer numbers, but I'm hearing all sorts of things.

01:12:54.860 Why is it hard to get up-to-date cancer numbers?

01:12:56.640 That's a good question.

01:12:57.840 We're in the middle of a cancer moonshot, doctor.

01:13:00.020 Right, right.

01:13:01.340 I, there, there's probably people that have access to that data, but publicly it's hard.

01:13:05.800 And, you know, so I have to rely, I don't see a ton of cancer in my practice, but I do have friends at MD Anderson.

01:13:12.680 And they said they've never seen anything like it.

01:13:15.200 I mean, the young people coming in with very advanced tumors, I think that's what we have to be worried about now.

01:13:23.280 Can I ask, you've made reference like five times to, to numbers and the difficulty in getting numbers.

01:13:30.960 I don't understand why, I mean, I understand why the identity of patients is shielded by federal law.

01:13:37.280 That seems reasonable to me for privacy reasons.

01:13:39.240 But, you know, the, just the fact that someone has this or that disease with no identifying markers connected, like that seems like it should be public information.

01:13:50.280 How is that not?

01:13:51.260 Why is there so much secrecy around medical data?

01:13:53.780 Yeah.

01:13:54.480 The data itself.

01:13:55.800 It could be, there could be an agenda behind it.

01:13:58.060 It could just be a total inefficiency of the bureaucracy.

01:14:00.820 It's hard to say, but yeah, it'd be nice if we could have more data.

01:14:08.080 Well, isn't that essential to science?

01:14:12.060 Yeah, it is.

01:14:13.260 But, you know, it's, it's also, I guess it's complicated in some degrees to get it all out there.

01:14:20.840 But, yeah, transparency would be, even aside from the cancer numbers, I mean, like I said, with COVID, there are all these hospitals that had so much data at their disposal and didn't share it.

01:14:38.280 But it'd be nice to see, you know, Houston Methodist come out and share their data with us since they were the first.

01:14:44.980 They led the way with the mandates.

01:14:47.380 It'd be nice to see how successful that effort was for their employees and for their patients.

01:14:53.040 Can a lawsuit force that?

01:14:54.900 I actually sued them to get that data.

01:14:57.880 Man, you are ferocious.

01:14:59.560 I lost.

01:15:01.080 On what grounds?

01:15:02.300 I don't know.

01:15:03.000 It was just political grounds, I think.

01:15:04.520 I sued to get their financial data because as a nonprofit, they are supposed to give it to you if somebody from the public wants to know.

01:15:15.220 But this is what they get in exchange for not paying property taxes.

01:15:18.060 Right, right, right, right.

01:15:20.420 But there was some technicality.

01:15:22.460 I don't understand really why we lost, but we did.

01:15:26.160 We even appealed and we lost on appeal.

01:15:28.280 Do you think that COVID, clearly there's been no reckoning.

01:15:37.020 You've not been recognized for your bravery and prescience.

01:15:41.340 You called it and you should be rewarded for that.

01:15:44.300 You haven't been, likely never will be.

01:15:46.440 So there's so much about it.

01:15:47.880 The shots are still being given to babies.

01:15:49.900 That's my takeaway from this conversation.

01:15:52.080 There's no effort to pull this stuff from the market.

01:15:57.700 38,000 deaths later.

01:16:00.040 There's no recourse the average person has.

01:16:02.980 You can't afford to hire lawyers and you can't sue the companies that make these products and you can't sue the government officials that force you to take these products.

01:16:10.160 Like everything about it is just pure Orwell.

01:16:13.940 So that's the downside.

01:16:15.380 And it's like crushing actually to hear all of this from you.

01:16:18.740 Didn't expect to hear this.

01:16:19.780 What are the upsides?

01:16:23.900 Like people are more aware.

01:16:25.640 Do you see medicine in the United States getting better now that people are paying attention know what's up?

01:16:32.140 I think people are feeling more empowered, which is how they should be.

01:16:36.140 I mean, they're not listening to the government for their health care decisions anymore.

01:16:40.540 I think people have learned from that mistake.

01:16:43.140 And, you know, I have I haven't lost all hope.

01:16:49.800 I'm grateful.

01:16:50.660 You know, there was a time where I couldn't even I was banned from Twitter.

01:16:54.480 I don't know if you were.

01:16:55.880 But, you know, we are free speech is coming back.

01:16:58.880 I wouldn't.

01:16:59.240 I mean, they I'm not like they couldn't ban me from Twitter.

01:17:01.720 So they didn't.

01:17:02.280 Yeah.

01:17:02.440 But but they could ban much more informed.

01:17:07.460 Plus, I'm how am I a threat?

01:17:08.940 I'm just some like random talk show host with an opinion.

01:17:11.880 The people they want to ban are the people who are telling the informed truth.

01:17:17.140 The physicians who are treating thousands of covid patients like you're the threat, not me.

01:17:24.220 We're like, I'm a doctor.

01:17:25.660 I'm a reasonable person.

01:17:26.520 I'm not political.

01:17:27.180 Here's what I'm learning.

01:17:28.000 They have to ban you.

01:17:29.000 Right, right.

01:17:30.240 Well, and, you know, we're making.

01:17:31.640 Hey, I'm grateful to you for having me on here because this is old news to most people.

01:17:38.200 Right.

01:17:38.580 And, you know, we just need to keep speaking out.

01:17:41.740 We just need to keep.

01:17:43.160 I mean, my foot is on the pedal, you know, even though there is no pandemic anymore.

01:17:48.700 But we must just keep pounding away at this.

01:17:52.380 Well, it sounds like indications suggest, I mean, I don't want to overstate anything, but it feels like they're the consequences are still rippling.

01:18:01.700 And I don't know why there's not an organized effort to find out, you know, our cancer rate spiking.

01:18:06.920 We eliminated cigarette smoking, which was supposedly the main driver of cancer.

01:18:10.880 I was there for all that.

01:18:12.300 They beat me into quitting, which is fine.

01:18:14.560 You know, smoking is bad.

01:18:15.380 I got it.

01:18:15.860 But, like, cancer went up.

01:18:19.360 So, like, at some point I have to say, stop.

01:18:22.360 You told me this.

01:18:23.640 The opposite happened.

01:18:24.740 Let's talk about why.

01:18:25.880 Right.

01:18:26.220 I'm not attacking you, but, like, I demand an answer.

01:18:30.120 And I don't know why.

01:18:31.480 How hard is that to get some statistician at NIH or wherever, HHS, to tell me what's happening with cancer rates and pediatric cancer rates especially?

01:18:40.800 Because that's, like, crazy town.

01:18:42.020 I think, you know, the money is there for the treatment, not for the cause, right?

01:18:48.380 So, it is, you know, there's lots of money.

01:18:51.980 It's just going towards.

01:18:52.700 Well, that doesn't make any sense.

01:18:53.820 Like, how can you recommend treatment without knowing its effect?

01:18:57.960 How can you?

01:18:58.700 You can't make any wise decision without all the facts, as we say.

01:19:03.940 Right?

01:19:04.560 Right.

01:19:05.000 But this is not, I mean, this is financially driven.

01:19:08.180 So, if you're in it to make money, you're going to go after the treatment, not the cause.

01:19:16.820 You're very cynical about medical care.

01:19:21.060 Investing a lot.

01:19:22.120 Would you have gone into this if you had known?

01:19:25.340 Yeah.

01:19:26.120 I mean.

01:19:27.040 I'm sorry.

01:19:27.680 Not to get you to reevaluate your life.

01:19:29.320 I know.

01:19:29.840 Yeah.

01:19:30.040 It's been very difficult, but it's been impactful.

01:19:34.140 And, you know, in some ways, I'm glad it happened.

01:19:38.880 It's been very educational.

01:19:42.140 And, you know, I have hope that it will change.

01:19:46.820 It may take another generation.

01:19:49.340 But COVID should be the wake-up call.

01:19:51.840 So, and the seeds were there before COVID, but COVID brought it all out there.

01:19:58.560 And hopefully, you know, we could actually learn from it and change course.

01:20:05.240 You said you got a flu shot and then you went up in the hospital with pneumonia and sepsis.

01:20:10.480 I'm certain not to laugh at your illness, but you got a flu shot.

01:20:15.020 I've never had a flu shot because I'm lazy, but you clearly believe, you know, you wouldn't have got it.

01:20:22.240 You're a doctor.

01:20:22.760 You wouldn't have got it unless you thought it was efficacious.

01:20:24.600 Right.

01:20:24.860 So, you got one.

01:20:26.040 Has what you've seen over the past five years changed your view of other vaccine courses?

01:20:32.280 Yeah.

01:20:32.700 I mean, I, what I've realized is I made a lot of assumptions about vaccines.

01:20:38.840 It was, you know, the gospel according to vaccines when I was in training.

01:20:42.320 There was no questioning it.

01:20:43.780 It was just accepted fact.

01:20:45.860 They were safe and effective.

01:20:47.580 And COVID made me realize, well, hold on.

01:20:50.360 Maybe let's see how they were tested.

01:20:51.900 And they have not been tested like other products on the market.

01:20:55.120 So, they don't have placebo controlled trials.

01:20:58.060 Any of them?

01:20:58.540 No, not like the other products on the market.

01:21:01.020 And they don't have liability protection.

01:21:03.440 So, the companies are not motivated.

01:21:06.100 They don't have liability exposure.

01:21:07.500 Yeah.

01:21:07.740 Sorry.

01:21:08.260 Yes.

01:21:08.700 So, the companies are not motivated.

01:21:10.680 There's no repercussion if something goes wrong.

01:21:14.320 And there's no reason for it to spend a lot of money to ensure that it's safe.

01:21:17.860 So, now, you know, I have questions about all of them.

01:21:22.400 Now, I will say I'm not seeing the carnage from, you know, flu shot that I've seen with the COVID shot.

01:21:29.800 I think there's a different degree of danger there.

01:21:33.300 But it does make me question it all.

01:21:35.460 And if you look at the flu shot, in fact, has never been shown to decrease hospitalization or death in people that get the flu shot.

01:21:43.000 And it actually makes you more susceptible to other viruses.

01:21:46.540 And you can treat it.

01:21:49.320 So, I had a child who was badly injured by the flu vaccine.

01:21:53.600 Oh, wow.

01:21:56.060 And for me, that was one of the drivers in not, I mean, I had, when it happened, it was almost 20 years ago.

01:22:03.360 I had no idea that, in fact, I never thought the vaccines could hurt anybody.

01:22:07.920 Right.

01:22:08.960 Never even in my mind.

01:22:10.280 I thought they were like one of the great miracles of science.

01:22:13.180 I was so proud that we developed the polio vaccine, which I'm not against.

01:22:17.020 But I didn't know that they had potential downsides.

01:22:21.380 And that's one of the reasons I was like a little slow to want to.

01:22:25.960 But anyway, what would you do?

01:22:31.020 So, it sounds like you're not like against vaccines, but from what you just said, the system around vaccines does not put patient safety at the forefront of concern.

01:22:42.660 Right.

01:22:43.460 So, how would you change that?

01:22:46.300 Well, remove their liability protection.

01:22:48.920 Require them go through the...

01:22:49.760 Do you have liability protection?

01:22:51.180 Do I?

01:22:51.800 Yeah.

01:22:52.160 No, no.

01:22:53.200 I don't, actually.

01:22:55.180 I don't either.

01:22:58.500 You know, we need that.

01:23:00.040 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:00.620 It'd be nice.

01:23:01.440 It'd be awesome.

01:23:02.660 You just can't sue me.

01:23:04.220 I'm such a good person.

01:23:05.980 What I do is so important to the commonwealth that you literally can't sue me.

01:23:09.580 Exactly.

01:23:10.220 That would be great.

01:23:10.780 Sorry, excuse me.

01:23:13.780 Yeah.

01:23:14.400 So, I mean, just make them go through the process any other product has to go through.

01:23:18.580 It's not very complicated.

01:23:21.340 So, that's the first thing you do.

01:23:23.140 Yeah.

01:23:23.420 Why isn't that happening?

01:23:27.720 Apparently, when this...

01:23:30.560 It was in 1986 when Reagan put the act in place.

01:23:33.980 I guess there were two companies that almost got just decimated financially because of all the kickback, the lawsuits.

01:23:42.760 That should have been a warning sign.

01:23:44.120 Yeah, I mean, I obviously hate lawyers.

01:23:47.860 I've never sued anybody.

01:23:48.940 I don't think I ever will.

01:23:51.100 I really hate lawyers quite as much as doctors, but in that range, okay.

01:23:55.040 So, I'm against lawsuits, too.

01:23:58.180 I get it.

01:23:58.780 I totally get it.

01:24:00.220 Some of the tort awards are insane and all of that stuff, but I also think it's fair if someone keeps getting sued for the same thing.

01:24:07.800 Like, if I get a sexual harassment suit for political reasons, if I get eight of them.

01:24:15.180 Right.

01:24:16.460 Like, maybe I'm groping people, right?

01:24:19.980 Right.

01:24:20.920 Yeah.

01:24:22.100 That's fair?

01:24:23.120 Yeah, that's fair.

01:24:24.160 As an empiricist, you agree with that?

01:24:25.400 Yes, I am on board with that.

01:24:27.660 Yes.

01:24:28.040 So, last question.

01:24:29.000 What are you going to do now that this is all over?

01:24:31.400 Or, like, how are you, other than treating patients, how are you as a formerly politically disengaged person spending your time?

01:24:39.360 I try to get away from it all as much as I can.

01:24:42.700 And that's what I would advise anybody is just find something, a hobby, that gets you away from things and get outside as much as you can.

01:24:51.520 I probably, you know, I'm probably going to slow down my practice a little bit just to give myself some breathing room.

01:24:58.920 And I still have four boys in high school.

01:25:01.540 So, but I will continue to speak out.

01:25:05.400 And I may do a podcast.

01:25:09.240 I may, I don't know.

01:25:10.140 I don't know what I'm going to do.

01:25:11.200 But the fight's not over.

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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden： How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility

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