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00:00:15.440 Doctor, thanks a lot for coming on.

00:00:17.840 So you spent your life, you know, 50 years working on treatments for cancer.

00:00:24.960 And when you started, it seemed like we were moving in the West toward the elimination of cancer.

00:00:33.580 Smoking was a huge emphasis.

00:00:35.240 Get rid of tobacco and cancer rates will drop.

00:00:39.220 Obviously, smoking does cause cancer.

00:00:41.360 And we got rid of it, basically, but cancer rates went up.

00:00:46.020 And that is a very rarely remarked upon mystery that really bothers me.

00:00:51.400 Tell us, since you made billions of dollars selling your companies,

00:00:54.160 but you're still involved in medical research, which I admire.

00:00:57.420 Where are we now with cancer?

00:00:58.880 What are you seeing in cancer rates?

00:01:01.240 Well, what's really worrisome to me now is not just the rate,

00:01:25.800 but the population in which it's increasing, i.e. the younger people.

00:01:29.960 So we're clearly seeing an increase in certain types of cancer,

00:01:36.000 like pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer.

00:01:38.620 And we're seeing that colon cancer.

00:01:41.060 And we're seeing it in younger people.

00:01:44.480 Just to set a baseline, what's the 10-year survival rate for pancreatic cancer?

00:01:49.020 It's horrible.

00:01:49.840 I think, you know, if you have pancreatic cancer today,

00:01:52.620 I don't think there is a 10-year survival rate, so to speak.

00:01:55.320 Like, what there is, however, if you have patients who are what we call

00:01:59.600 the failed old standard of care, the survival rate is in months.

00:02:03.220 You measure it in two months.

00:02:05.180 That's certainly my understanding, having watched a lot of people die of it.

00:02:07.700 So, advanced pancreatic cancer is a death sentence.

00:02:13.760 Where are you seeing it now?

00:02:16.560 Well, I've got to tell you a really concerning story.

00:02:20.320 It's not only I'm seeing it now, I'm seeing it in younger people.

00:02:24.740 And for the first time in my career, you know, when I left UCLA,

00:02:29.940 I was doing all the whipples, which is a surgery to actually remove

00:02:33.020 most of the pancreas, a very big operation.

00:02:35.180 You're a surgeon as well.

00:02:36.120 I'm a surgeon.

00:02:36.780 Yes.

00:02:37.240 And I was also doing pancreas transplants for type 2 diabetes

00:02:40.200 and islet cell transplants and stem cell transplants.

00:02:43.820 So, I had this diverse activity as a UCLA assistant professor.

00:02:48.240 But I never saw pancreatic cancer in children.

00:02:53.600 And the greatest surprise to me was a 13-year-old with metastatic pancreatic cancer

00:03:02.460 that the family called us to help.

00:03:06.980 And to me, that was not only devastating, it emphasized the idea that we're seeing

00:03:11.840 people with higher incidence of pancreatic cancer and younger.

00:03:16.300 Right now in our clinic, we have a 45-year-old, 50-year-old.

00:03:22.600 And what was sad about this young boy, by the time he came to see us,

00:03:29.120 he had exhausted all the standards of care.

00:03:32.240 And he came from Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:03:35.700 And all the major medical centers really had exhausted all their therapy.

00:03:41.100 And by the time he came to see us, his body was ridden and he passed away.

00:03:47.520 So, seeing cancers now in younger people and almost a rise, almost like a,

00:03:57.120 I don't want to call it a non-infectious pandemic,

00:03:59.680 but this is what I think is going to, the worrisome in the world,

00:04:02.920 not just in the United States, but largely in the United States,

00:04:06.000 we're beginning to see this, and it's really worrisome.

00:04:08.300 A non-infectious pandemic of cancer, including deadly cancers.

00:04:13.360 Correct.

00:04:14.480 Like pancreatic.

00:04:16.360 In your career, which I think is about 50 years of working on this,

00:04:20.840 how many 13-year-old pancreatic cancer patients have you seen?

00:04:24.040 Never.

00:04:24.860 Never.

00:04:26.520 I inquired around because it bothered me so much now

00:04:30.400 of why this is happening.

00:04:34.680 So, Dr. Stephen Day was a good friend who was trained with me at UCLA when I was at UCLA.

00:04:42.460 He's now at the Angeles Clinic.

00:04:43.860 And I called him and he said,

00:04:45.200 Listen, Patrick, I'm now seeing an 8-year-old, a 10-year-old, an 11-year-old with colon cancer.

00:04:50.940 Colon cancer?

00:04:51.700 Colon cancer.

00:04:53.340 We've never seen that.

00:04:55.580 We're seeing now 30-year-old, 40-year-old ladies, young ladies with ovarian cancer.

00:05:01.120 So, this is a real phenomenon of a rise of cancer in early people, in young people,

00:05:08.140 and really need to get to the bottom of that.

00:05:12.340 Do you notice a difference in the virility of the cancer, of the speed with which it moves?

00:05:18.520 Well, I'm getting reports, they've even called it turbocharged cancer.

00:05:24.260 Yes, I've heard that phrase.

00:05:25.160 Right?

00:05:25.560 I'm getting reports of that now, that people that have been in remission before even,

00:05:30.320 are now getting back their cancers and very rapidly progressing.

00:05:36.240 So, if you really think about what the cause of cancer is, you know,

00:05:41.220 and I did a piece with Sanjay Gupta many, many years ago on 60 Minutes.

00:05:46.560 And I said, you know, the cause of cancer is its inability,

00:05:50.360 it's not the rapidity of its growth, but its inability to die.

00:05:54.260 And its inability to die is because it either hides from the cells that matter,

00:06:00.880 i.e. your natural killer cells, your T-cells,

00:06:03.920 or, and this is what I'm really worried about,

00:06:07.560 your body and the cancer has found a way to suppress your killer cells.

00:06:13.940 And once they do that, once they activate what you call the suppressor cells,

00:06:20.400 and you call yourself immunosuppressed,

00:06:23.020 then I think you see this rapid progression because there's nothing stopping them.

00:06:28.660 So, what could possibly be causing this?

00:06:36.360 Well, I think if you look back of causes, you know, ironically, when I was doing at UCLA,

00:06:43.680 I was working on pancreas transplant where I want to immunosuppress the patients.

00:06:48.080 Yes, you have to.

00:06:48.980 Yeah, because you prevent it.

00:06:50.580 And then I was working on cancer where I don't want to immunosuppress.

00:06:54.680 So, I needed to understand the body's mechanism.

00:07:00.020 And we have a crazy, wonderful, exquisite balance in our body.

00:07:05.280 You have the yin and the yang of the killer cells,

00:07:10.260 and these things called natural killer cells and T-cells.

00:07:12.580 Whose job is to kill anything that threatens the body?

00:07:17.260 Whose job is to kill, quite right, anything that threatens the body,

00:07:21.700 whether the body has infection, if you have TB, you have HIV,

00:07:26.660 if you have hepatitis, you have COVID.

00:07:31.060 These cells are there to recognize these infected cells and kill it.

00:07:35.720 As you and I are sitting here today, our stem cells are growing

00:07:40.480 in order to replenish parts of your body, your heart.

00:07:44.200 If you didn't have that, you wouldn't have a heart.

00:07:46.120 At the age of 14, you need those stem cells.

00:07:48.960 But mathematically, there are some cells that are transformed,

00:07:52.960 and your body recognizes that through these natural killer cells and kills it.

00:07:57.180 I call that nature's first responder.

00:08:00.860 And that's your mechanism.

00:08:02.700 That's how we are all protected, and we are in the state of equilibrium or balance.

00:08:07.900 On the other hand, the moment either the tumor finds a way to hide from these cells,

00:08:13.760 or your body's, or the tumor, causes these cells to be suppressed.

00:08:21.760 And that's why I call this suppressor cells.

00:08:23.960 And there are certain cells in your body called T-reg cells or myeloderived suppressor cells.

00:08:29.400 It's all technical, that when they get up-regulated, you've lost your protection.

00:08:38.120 And so the question then is, how do we understand this balance?

00:08:41.920 How do we increase the killers, and how do we decrease the suppressors?

00:08:45.900 So that's been 50 years of my challenge of, and how do we expose the tumor?

00:08:51.380 So on the one hand, you need to expose the tumor, because it hides from the killers.

00:08:57.740 And on the other hand, you activate the killers.

00:08:59.780 And on the other hand, you have to suppress the suppressors.

00:09:02.000 So we're truly playing a game of chess.

00:09:05.740 And I think like astrophysicists, where you're looking for God's particle,

00:09:11.200 where all these molecules are floating around, talking to each other.

00:09:14.700 All the cells are floating around, talking to each other.

00:09:17.420 And there's dynamic interaction.

00:09:21.000 And how do you understand all of that?

00:09:23.360 You know, one of the best, most fun lectures I gave,

00:09:27.620 I gave a lot of lectures on this and tried to be non-technical,

00:09:31.360 because it's what I call basic immunology.

00:09:34.640 And the problem with cancer is it's been treated by oncologists and not immunologists.

00:09:45.080 And immunologists don't see patients because they look at basic immunology.

00:09:48.920 And then when you have infection and you have virology,

00:09:52.000 so this cross-disciplines of virology, immunology, oncology,

00:09:56.580 all these ologies don't talk to each other.

00:09:59.220 Yes.

00:09:59.240 So you're saying, just big picture for non-specialists, of which I'm, of course, one,

00:10:05.700 you're saying that cancer is to some extent a problem with your immune system.

00:10:10.120 It is everything about your immune system.

00:10:11.860 So you've got all kinds of defective cells that could become cancer or cancer in your body at all times.

00:10:16.400 At all times.

00:10:17.500 But your body is zapping them.

00:10:18.980 Correct.

00:10:19.520 Right.

00:10:19.940 And that's the fundamental balance of the human body.

00:10:22.700 Correct.

00:10:23.060 And when that body gets out of balance, when the killer cells become suppressed or less effective,

00:10:30.540 that's when you get cancer.

00:10:31.360 Correct.

00:10:32.600 Okay.

00:10:33.280 So I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:10:34.120 I just want to keep this.

00:10:34.340 No, I love it because that's the perfect interpretation that I couldn't do in a non-technical way

00:10:45.700 because I think that's a, I get too nerdy.

00:10:48.640 So I'm glad.

00:10:50.020 Well, you are a doctor.

00:10:51.100 So, but that's, that's, I think, is what's happening in our body.

00:10:58.900 We have these perturbations, but we're in equilibrium, you know, and that's a good thing.

00:11:04.360 The moment you knock yourself out of equilibrium, now what could knock you out of equilibrium?

00:11:09.840 And that's why when, you know, Bobby Kennedy is talking about and standing up about the toxins in our food,

00:11:15.920 the toxins in PFAS, the processed food, and viral infections.

00:11:25.440 And really what knocks you out of balance basically is inflammation.

00:11:29.640 If you have inflammation in your body, there's this, now I'm going to get nerdy again,

00:11:38.300 these cells called neutrophils that actually see an infection and tries to kill it, which it does.

00:11:44.080 But if there's persistent inflammation, these neutrophils actually flip into a suppressor cell.

00:11:49.300 So what people don't realize is that we have the yin yang in our body, that every cell has a counter cell.

00:11:59.480 And that's where I was about to go there.

00:12:01.660 I said the most fun conversation I had where I was asked by astrophysicists or physicists to give a lecture,

00:12:09.300 is I named this concept of cancer a quantum theory, like a physicist.

00:12:19.200 And that in our body, we have cells that can be in two states.

00:12:25.140 It can be a killer or a suppressor.

00:12:28.700 And like the Schroeder's cat, it could be alive or dead.

00:12:32.660 And it depends what you do with it.

00:12:34.460 And so I named this thing Quantum Oncotherapeutics, just to be controversial,

00:12:39.820 so that doctors could understand what I'm talking about,

00:12:43.160 is that we need to understand the fact that you have a killer T cell and you have a killer suppressor cell.

00:12:53.200 We have an M1 macrophage that actually chomps things up, an M2 macrophage that blocks that.

00:12:58.960 You have an NK cell that kills, an NK cell that inhibits.

00:13:03.260 And we need to have that balance, otherwise you'll get into autoimmune disease.

00:13:08.620 But there's a thing called quantum entanglement, that is the cat alive or is the cat dead?

00:13:14.960 If somebody interacts with that, and the person that interacts with that is the doctor.

00:13:20.780 So you, as a doctor, could either be enlightened enough to activate just the activators and suppress the suppressors,

00:13:31.380 and change the dynamic towards the cure.

00:13:36.520 But it's very complex because it's now quantum,

00:13:39.760 because all those changes are happening in minutes in your body.

00:13:43.960 These molecules, like God's particle, where they're colliding with each other,

00:13:49.300 and cells are colliding and interacting, happens within minutes.

00:13:54.020 So you need to have a theory of how do you interact at that level.

00:13:59.860 And in so doing, the first thing you need to understand is, how does cancer happen?

00:14:06.100 And then how does it grow?

00:14:09.180 How do you stop it?

00:14:12.260 This idea of a vaccine, a cancer vaccine,

00:14:15.860 do you radiate that cancer?

00:14:19.120 Do you remove that cancer?

00:14:20.440 Do you remove the lymph nodes?

00:14:21.820 Do you give chemotherapy?

00:14:22.720 And crazy enough, over the last 50 years,

00:14:27.520 I figured out that everything we're doing

00:14:29.780 is not the word wrong,

00:14:33.340 because that's a bad statement, a pejorative statement.

00:14:36.480 It's not enlightened, a better way to say it.

00:14:39.420 Because everything we're doing is tipping the scales towards the suppressor cells.

00:14:43.680 We're activating the suppressor cells.

00:14:45.920 We're not activating the killing cells.

00:14:48.580 And we can go into this conversation where I can explain that.

00:14:51.100 So the key system, which you just said,

00:14:54.560 is cancer is all about the immune system.

00:14:57.600 So if you activate the immunosuppression system,

00:15:01.220 you get more cancer.

00:15:02.760 So then the fundamental root cause is,

00:15:05.140 what's activating that immune system on the other way?

00:15:08.340 Yes.

00:15:08.760 And that's inflammation.

00:15:09.400 Something is suppressing people's immune systems,

00:15:12.820 including the poor 13-year-old boy who died of pancreatic cancer.

00:15:16.420 And the question is, what is that?

00:15:17.780 And maybe there are a lot of causes,

00:15:18.960 but it is, you know, we're not the first people to notice

00:15:21.400 there's been an increase in scary cancers in populations

00:15:24.780 that didn't used to get them.

00:15:26.180 It's very obvious just from living here.

00:15:29.060 And a lot of people have pointed to both COVID,

00:15:31.780 the virus, and to the mRNA COVID vaccines

00:15:34.280 as potential causes.

00:15:36.700 Do you think that they're related?

00:15:38.020 The best way for me to answer that is to look at history.

00:15:44.100 What we know about virally-induced cancers is well established.

00:15:48.260 We know that if you get hepatitis, you get liver cancer.

00:15:52.780 Hepatitis is a virus infection.

00:15:55.260 We know if you get human papillomavirus, HPV,

00:15:58.560 you get cervical cancer.

00:16:00.060 Yes.

00:16:00.240 Certain kinds of throat cancer are caused by viruses as well, right?

00:16:06.620 If you get HIV, you get Kaposi's sarcoma.

00:16:08.940 Yes.

00:16:10.240 So we call that oncogenic viruses in medical terms,

00:16:15.080 meaning viruses that are induced carcinogenic.

00:16:17.620 And the fundamental basis for that are threefold.

00:16:21.640 The hallmarks of an oncogenic virus is one, it must persist.

00:16:24.720 And why?

00:16:26.480 Because it continues to create inflammation.

00:16:29.080 And why?

00:16:29.820 With inflammation, you get suppression.

00:16:31.920 Because your body is trying to suppress it.

00:16:35.160 It must inhibit the thing called P53 that's in your body

00:16:38.620 to try and protect your body from not having cancer.

00:16:43.180 And if it persists and causes inflammation

00:16:45.880 and inhibits P53,

00:16:49.120 it begins to have the hallmarks of an oncogenic virus.

00:16:53.040 So then the question is,

00:16:55.840 does COVID,

00:16:57.260 whether it come from the vaccine,

00:16:58.860 which is the spike protein vaccine,

00:17:01.560 or from the infection,

00:17:03.180 which is spike-driven,

00:17:04.600 that gets into every cell of our body?

00:17:07.180 Because it goes to the...

00:17:08.000 Every cell of the body?

00:17:09.080 It goes wherever you have this thing called the ACE2 receptor,

00:17:12.300 which is in the blood vessels.

00:17:13.740 So wherever you have a blood vessel in your body,

00:17:16.720 it's where it's going to go.

00:17:18.120 And if it has an ACE2 receptor on that blood vessel,

00:17:20.280 that's where it can go.

00:17:21.160 Because that's the purpose of the spike protein,

00:17:23.380 to penetrate,

00:17:24.260 to hijack that ACE2 receptor and get into their cells.

00:17:28.480 So that's why it gets in the pancreas.

00:17:29.920 That's why you have brain fog,

00:17:31.520 because it disrupts the blood vessels of the brain

00:17:34.200 and causes mitochondrial dysfunction.

00:17:35.960 That's why in the colon,

00:17:37.360 which is a high...

00:17:38.300 In the GI tract,

00:17:39.240 there's a high ACE2 receptor.

00:17:41.080 That's why pancreas are a high ACE2 receptor,

00:17:43.600 where that's why you people have...

00:17:45.520 In the heart,

00:17:46.300 you have dysfunction.

00:17:47.200 You've seen young people have sudden heart attacks all of a sudden.

00:17:53.220 You see young people with pancreatic cancer all of a sudden.

00:17:55.880 You see young people with colon cancer all of a sudden.

00:17:59.300 So is it by coincidence that post-COVID infection,

00:18:05.980 post-COVID vaccine,

00:18:07.440 we're seeing all these events

00:18:08.660 where we know the spike protein goes there?

00:18:12.060 I don't think so.

00:18:13.760 I think it's not a coincidence.

00:18:15.560 So the question is,

00:18:16.840 can we prove,

00:18:18.500 is this what I call long COVID virus persisting?

00:18:23.720 And the group at University of California,

00:18:26.100 San Francisco,

00:18:27.300 has now definitively proven that

00:18:29.060 and published that in papers like Nature.

00:18:32.200 Can we also prove that

00:18:33.460 once you have that persistence of that virus,

00:18:35.560 does that COVID virus suppress the natural killer cell?

00:18:39.420 Does the natural killer cell actually

00:18:41.240 not only go to sleep,

00:18:43.480 becomes what you call anergic?

00:18:45.720 That's now been published.

00:18:48.140 The natural killer cell has gone to sleep.

00:18:52.340 So by your definition,

00:18:55.080 we just solve the mystery right there.

00:18:58.340 I think so.

00:18:59.940 I think this is a conversation I had with the...

00:19:02.540 But wait,

00:19:02.940 I mean,

00:19:04.360 billions of people,

00:19:05.700 literally billions of people

00:19:07.160 had the COVID virus.

00:19:08.200 Over a billion got the spike protein vaccine.

00:19:13.360 So that's like,

00:19:14.660 we're talking like a huge percentage

00:19:16.620 of the Earth's population.

00:19:19.140 Unless I'm missing something.

00:19:20.960 Now you understand what keeps you awake at night.

00:19:24.220 And it's kept me awake at night for two years.

00:19:27.180 Two and a half years.

00:19:28.660 And that's why I sort of abandoned everything

00:19:30.720 just to focus on how do we clear the virus.

00:19:34.100 Because the answer is to clear the virus.

00:19:36.400 From the body.

00:19:37.180 From the body.

00:19:38.200 The answer is to stop the inflammation.

00:19:40.760 Because it's chronic inflammation.

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00:22:42.500 So can I ask a dumb question?

00:22:44.160 How long does the virus remain in the human body if not?

00:22:47.380 So far we've found three years, four years.

00:22:50.280 Is there any reason to believe it'll naturally go away?

00:22:53.740 Not if your body's aim is suppressed.

00:22:57.160 So it's a circle.

00:23:00.200 You ask what causes cancer

00:23:01.980 because your body's aim is suppressed.

00:23:05.040 You have in your body nature's compound.

00:23:09.480 And if the tumor or the infection or the inflammation

00:23:12.660 suppresses it,

00:23:15.140 you have to find a way to reactivate it

00:23:18.040 and clear the virus.

00:23:19.580 It's literally as simple as that.

00:23:23.220 And that's the missing link that I think...

00:23:25.660 So it sounds like you're describing

00:23:27.100 what could be like the worst human health crisis in history.

00:23:32.400 I don't know how to say that.

00:23:35.860 Without saying it,

00:23:37.540 it scares the pants off me

00:23:38.880 because I think

00:23:39.760 what we may be...

00:23:42.100 I don't think it's virus versus man now.

00:23:45.660 You're right.

00:23:46.200 This is existential.

00:23:49.340 I think

00:23:50.560 when I talk about

00:23:52.140 the largest non-infectious

00:23:53.860 pandemic that we're afraid of,

00:23:56.880 this is it.

00:23:59.320 Because

00:24:00.000 while there was an increase rise in cancer

00:24:02.700 in our country

00:24:03.320 because of the idea of

00:24:05.500 the toxins and everything else,

00:24:08.080 this immunosuppression

00:24:09.720 that has occurred now globally

00:24:11.480 and more importantly

00:24:13.820 the immunosuppression

00:24:14.680 tied to inflammation,

00:24:16.220 chronic inflammation,

00:24:17.520 which is asymptomatic

00:24:19.560 and sometimes

00:24:20.220 and sometimes it's not.

00:24:21.340 There's 15 million Americans

00:24:22.820 with long COVID.

00:24:24.900 And they're not psychiatric

00:24:26.500 when they have memory loss.

00:24:29.880 They're not psychiatric

00:24:31.160 when they have instantaneous heart attacks.

00:24:33.960 It's not psychiatric

00:24:35.340 when you have an 8-year-old,

00:24:36.480 10-year-old colon cancer.

00:24:38.080 A 13-year-old pancreatic cancer.

00:24:41.500 So

00:24:41.740 the

00:24:44.120 idea was

00:24:46.820 is there a solution?

00:24:49.020 And this is what...

00:24:50.100 Well, I certainly hope so.

00:24:51.420 Because you spent your life

00:24:52.860 around scary diseases.

00:24:54.380 Like that's been your life.

00:24:56.720 And if you're scared,

00:24:58.680 then that's

00:24:59.360 that's not a good sign.

00:25:02.540 I'm scared but hopeful.

00:25:04.400 I think it's important for me

00:25:06.200 to have this conversation with you

00:25:07.680 not to...

00:25:08.240 That's why...

00:25:09.620 Okay, I'll share with you

00:25:10.960 a conversation I had.

00:25:11.880 I got invited by the CEO

00:25:13.400 of the Henry Jackson Foundation

00:25:14.640 to come to

00:25:15.600 D.C.

00:25:17.980 I think October, November last year

00:25:19.760 during the election phase.

00:25:22.020 And just to have a conversation

00:25:23.420 about what I'm doing.

00:25:25.020 And there he brought the leader

00:25:28.640 from Walter Reed,

00:25:30.840 the Barter,

00:25:32.680 the DOD,

00:25:34.980 the NIH,

00:25:36.060 the NID,

00:25:37.400 all into that room.

00:25:38.420 It was just me.

00:25:40.560 And I said,

00:25:41.760 it is time.

00:25:42.760 It is time for me to reveal

00:25:44.440 to this learned group

00:25:46.400 of leaders

00:25:47.320 about what I'm scared about.

00:25:49.160 And I spent,

00:25:51.360 I think it was three hours,

00:25:52.860 no slides,

00:25:54.020 just me speaking alone

00:25:55.220 on the stage

00:25:55.900 and all of them

00:25:56.780 in the audience.

00:25:58.660 When I first started

00:25:59.880 the conversation,

00:26:00.720 the first sentence was,

00:26:01.960 I think COVID

00:26:02.980 is oncogenic.

00:26:05.400 One of the members

00:26:06.320 of the audience

00:26:06.680 said,

00:26:06.940 that's nonsense.

00:26:08.440 I said,

00:26:08.840 okay,

00:26:09.540 let me explain to you

00:26:10.400 what we've been doing

00:26:11.600 in our research.

00:26:13.140 At the end of three hours,

00:26:14.720 four hours,

00:26:15.040 he said,

00:26:15.260 you've got to publish this.

00:26:16.580 This is so important.

00:26:19.000 And I said,

00:26:20.080 yes,

00:26:20.940 we are processing

00:26:22.340 the publication

00:26:23.100 and what came out

00:26:24.080 was this paper

00:26:24.860 that they biopsied

00:26:26.620 the colon of young people

00:26:28.240 temporarily

00:26:28.940 when no COVID

00:26:30.160 to COVID

00:26:30.760 and showed

00:26:32.040 the persistence

00:26:32.880 of replicating viruses

00:26:34.820 in the colon tissue

00:26:36.200 two years out.

00:26:38.660 Replicating COVID viruses?

00:26:40.220 Replicating COVID viruses.

00:26:43.520 Replicating.

00:26:44.160 Asymptomatic replicating

00:26:49.060 in the tissue,

00:26:50.680 meaning there's inflammation.

00:26:53.940 And when you have

00:26:54.660 this inflammation,

00:26:55.480 these neutrophils,

00:26:56.500 now getting geeky again,

00:26:59.540 plasticize,

00:27:00.560 flip

00:27:00.860 from a protective neutrophil

00:27:03.100 to a suppressive neutrophil.

00:27:04.940 It's called an N2.

00:27:06.780 It's called a

00:27:07.540 myeloderived suppressor cell.

00:27:09.280 That's an official name.

00:27:10.480 So now you have suppression

00:27:13.840 in your body.

00:27:16.740 And it's no wonder

00:27:17.820 that then converts

00:27:18.820 into colon cancer.

00:27:20.940 But so,

00:27:21.460 is this true,

00:27:22.420 do you think,

00:27:22.940 for,

00:27:23.240 I mean,

00:27:23.500 have you had COVID?

00:27:24.920 No.

00:27:26.620 Lucky man.

00:27:27.780 Not lucky man.

00:27:29.340 T-cell man.

00:27:31.460 I have a T-cell

00:27:32.520 in my body

00:27:33.900 that protects me

00:27:35.660 from the nucleocapsid.

00:27:36.660 Where do I get one?

00:27:41.060 That trial

00:27:42.420 was held up

00:27:43.180 by the FDA

00:27:44.060 and by Collins and Fauci.

00:27:45.940 But you never got COVID

00:27:47.100 because your protector cells

00:27:48.580 were so strong?

00:27:51.460 Not only

00:27:52.180 I protect ourselves.

00:27:53.060 If I do get COVID,

00:27:53.900 the virus clears.

00:27:55.980 You want to clear

00:27:57.040 the virus.

00:27:58.160 Get the hell

00:27:58.660 out of my body.

00:27:59.840 Get it out.

00:28:01.960 Wait,

00:28:02.340 I just want to pause here.

00:28:03.360 I know you're in the midst

00:28:04.320 of a much larger story,

00:28:05.300 but this is something

00:28:05.960 I think everyone

00:28:06.500 can understand.

00:28:07.320 So,

00:28:08.260 I think I'm in good health.

00:28:09.640 I am in very robust.

00:28:11.060 Did you have COVID?

00:28:11.720 I did.

00:28:12.560 How many times?

00:28:13.360 One.

00:28:14.200 I never took the vaccine.

00:28:16.380 Okay.

00:28:18.420 But I got COVID.

00:28:20.880 Knocked me right on my butt.

00:28:22.600 It was a bad three days.

00:28:24.560 Fine.

00:28:25.760 But

00:28:26.160 I don't understand

00:28:27.780 you're older than I am.

00:28:29.340 How did you never get,

00:28:30.440 let's just,

00:28:30.780 I just want to

00:28:31.220 get very specific.

00:28:33.200 Like,

00:28:33.800 how did,

00:28:34.380 I mean,

00:28:34.560 everyone on the planet

00:28:35.700 got COVID.

00:28:36.380 Okay.

00:28:36.560 So,

00:28:36.800 let me,

00:28:37.080 let me give you some idea.

00:28:38.460 Okay.

00:28:42.280 One,

00:28:42.780 because we understand

00:28:44.300 the implications.

00:28:46.320 My wife,

00:28:47.080 Dutchwood,

00:28:47.960 also never got COVID

00:28:48.900 because both of us.

00:28:49.980 So,

00:28:50.240 this is,

00:28:50.620 this is the story.

00:28:54.860 We,

00:28:55.500 by,

00:28:56.040 by,

00:28:56.740 that,

00:28:57.200 unfortunately,

00:28:57.860 I relate this,

00:28:58.780 it's a painful thing to me

00:29:00.540 because I related to Kobe's death.

00:29:01.920 It was during Kobe's time

00:29:03.100 when he passed away

00:29:04.000 and at the funeral.

00:29:06.700 Kobe Bryant,

00:29:07.380 who you were,

00:29:07.720 you were close to.

00:29:08.560 Correct.

00:29:09.020 Very close to.

00:29:10.620 And at the funeral,

00:29:12.140 at his funeral,

00:29:13.760 all the people in the room

00:29:15.040 and there's,

00:29:17.020 I think,

00:29:17.460 November

00:29:17.920 and I turned to Gavin Newsom

00:29:20.540 and I said,

00:29:20.960 listen,

00:29:22.200 this is one virus

00:29:23.500 I'm worried about

00:29:24.360 because I was studying

00:29:25.220 this virus.

00:29:26.100 You know,

00:29:26.560 I understand HPV very well

00:29:28.240 and I understand hepatitis.

00:29:30.040 I said,

00:29:30.440 this is not a respiratory virus,

00:29:31.920 this is a dangerous virus.

00:29:35.180 So,

00:29:35.720 I went back

00:29:36.340 and I shut down

00:29:37.760 our organization

00:29:39.140 so that we could actually

00:29:41.080 do nothing else

00:29:42.200 but COVID.

00:29:43.280 My entire team

00:29:44.340 of hundreds of scientists

00:29:45.620 on Zoom

00:29:47.140 and everything else

00:29:48.220 around the world

00:29:48.640 and I said,

00:29:49.080 we must

00:29:50.080 go after this virus

00:29:52.080 with a vaccine

00:29:52.920 that clears the virus.

00:29:55.780 And the only way

00:29:57.320 to clear the virus

00:29:58.320 is to have

00:29:59.660 what we call

00:30:00.100 a T-cell

00:30:00.660 and NK-cell,

00:30:01.560 the cells that kills

00:30:02.560 cancer cells.

00:30:04.460 And I wrote a paper

00:30:05.360 with Carl Scudone

00:30:06.180 that said,

00:30:06.600 COVID's like cancer

00:30:07.420 and cancer's like COVID.

00:30:09.260 Meaning,

00:30:09.980 it's immune suppression

00:30:10.980 that causes

00:30:11.680 its spread

00:30:13.060 and it's immune suppression

00:30:14.960 by the COVID virus

00:30:16.240 that allows it to persist.

00:30:18.840 So,

00:30:19.640 the only vaccine

00:30:20.800 that's important

00:30:21.580 is a T-cell vaccine.

00:30:23.720 But,

00:30:24.060 that's what I'm telling you,

00:30:24.900 virologists

00:30:25.980 think about antibodies

00:30:27.120 versus cellular therapy.

00:30:29.820 It's foreign to them

00:30:31.080 to have a vaccine

00:30:32.720 that stimulates T-cells.

00:30:36.840 So,

00:30:37.480 I said,

00:30:37.780 I understand that

00:30:38.720 internally.

00:30:39.960 It's a little weird

00:30:40.540 since in 20 minutes

00:30:41.640 you explained it to me,

00:30:42.860 not particularly high IQ,

00:30:44.220 not a scientist.

00:30:45.120 I understand exactly

00:30:45.920 what you're saying.

00:30:47.180 Why don't,

00:30:47.760 why isn't it obvious

00:30:48.920 to virologists,

00:30:50.480 why isn't that like

00:30:52.200 day one lesson

00:30:54.060 in virology school

00:30:55.460 that the T-cells,

00:30:57.300 the cells that

00:30:58.660 protect you

00:30:59.940 against all potential

00:31:00.980 internal harm,

00:31:02.400 they're the key.

00:31:03.180 because every vaccine

00:31:04.580 so far is antibody-based.

00:31:07.900 Dogma.

00:31:09.060 Dogma.

00:31:09.760 Blind spots.

00:31:12.200 Okay.

00:31:13.000 Now we're cooking with gas.

00:31:14.400 Now I understand

00:31:15.020 what you're talking about.

00:31:16.540 Dogma.

00:31:17.440 Blind spots.

00:31:18.320 Nicely put.

00:31:19.480 Okay,

00:31:19.660 I'm sorry,

00:31:20.020 I keep stepping on your story.

00:31:21.160 So,

00:31:21.500 you figure out.

00:31:22.760 You're not stepping

00:31:23.360 because you're allowing,

00:31:24.720 you're actually interpreting

00:31:25.760 as pleasure to me

00:31:27.080 because I don't know

00:31:27.860 what I'm saying sometimes,

00:31:29.060 whether it's going to be

00:31:29.920 so geeky,

00:31:30.840 it gets lost.

00:31:31.480 It's important for the audience

00:31:32.760 for you to interpret.

00:31:34.000 This is what Sanjay did for me

00:31:35.300 in the 60 minutes.

00:31:36.200 He was brilliant.

00:31:37.200 He spent two years with me,

00:31:38.560 by the way,

00:31:39.560 doing a little 15-minute piece.

00:31:42.180 Wow.

00:31:42.820 Yeah,

00:31:43.120 we'd come to LA,

00:31:44.020 we'd do this,

00:31:44.600 shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot.

00:31:46.000 Damn, we just had breakfast.

00:31:47.220 That's it?

00:31:48.920 Okay,

00:31:49.940 so you figure out early,

00:31:52.100 everyone's panicked about COVID,

00:31:53.720 okay?

00:31:54.660 But your position is

00:31:55.760 they're panicked

00:31:56.280 for the wrong reasons.

00:31:57.240 Correct.

00:31:57.420 And actually,

00:31:58.180 maybe they're not quite as panicked

00:31:59.340 as they should be

00:31:59.940 because this virus

00:32:01.660 could pave the way

00:32:02.780 for cancer

00:32:03.340 because it will suppress

00:32:04.280 the immune system

00:32:04.980 of the human body.

00:32:06.400 So you,

00:32:07.680 in November,

00:32:08.360 you said?

00:32:08.920 When did you?

00:32:09.400 Right,

00:32:09.600 so by March 2020,

00:32:12.960 we had the vaccine.

00:32:15.140 March 2020,

00:32:16.280 because I had built

00:32:17.440 a full GMP facility

00:32:19.340 for cancer

00:32:20.840 using the same vaccine

00:32:22.560 that NCI had retested

00:32:24.340 for HPV

00:32:25.180 and for colon cancer,

00:32:26.860 a thing called CA.

00:32:27.520 So I'd create this vaccine

00:32:29.760 in which we would

00:32:31.760 educate your body

00:32:33.080 prior to COVID

00:32:34.100 for the treatment of cancer

00:32:36.980 to educate the T cells

00:32:38.480 to recognize the cancer cell

00:32:39.820 to kill it.

00:32:41.620 That's called a cancer vaccine,

00:32:43.200 but which,

00:32:43.660 by the way,

00:32:44.200 is for the only vaccine

00:32:45.840 in clinical trials today

00:32:47.060 to prevent cancer

00:32:48.060 that the NCI is running

00:32:49.380 using our technology.

00:32:50.520 Is there any way

00:32:50.880 you can take the word vaccine out

00:32:52.020 and call it something else?

00:32:52.820 I'm calling it BioShield.

00:32:54.120 Good.

00:32:54.900 Because vaccine

00:32:56.080 just scares the crap out of people.

00:32:57.400 Because it's not a vaccine

00:33:00.140 in that general sense

00:33:01.720 of an antibody-based vaccine.

00:33:03.320 It's your body's BioShield.

00:33:05.380 So we'll announce it on the show.

00:33:07.420 We're going to call this

00:33:08.260 Project BioShield,

00:33:09.500 which, by the way,

00:33:10.520 in 2004,

00:33:11.660 there was a BioShield Act

00:33:13.060 for national preparedness

00:33:14.540 against radiation,

00:33:18.160 against a pandemic

00:33:20.160 of infectious diseases.

00:33:21.220 So we have the worst thing

00:33:26.040 that could happen to you

00:33:27.340 is to have one dose of radiation

00:33:30.840 will wipe out your NK cells

00:33:32.460 and your T cells.

00:33:33.840 That's how you die.

00:33:35.280 Yes.

00:33:35.420 That's how you get cancer.

00:33:36.580 It zaps your immune system.

00:33:37.560 It zaps your immune system.

00:33:38.760 So we wanted to create

00:33:41.260 a BioShield.

00:33:42.720 And the BioShield

00:33:43.820 is to educate your body

00:33:45.460 to have these T cells

00:33:46.980 called memory T cells

00:33:48.140 that go and hide in the bone marrow

00:33:49.820 and come out when they need it

00:33:51.340 and kill that cell

00:33:54.020 so it can never do damage.

00:33:56.220 That's the concept.

00:33:57.440 And it's not a foreign concept.

00:34:00.880 We published it

00:34:01.760 with the National Cancer Institute.

00:34:04.320 So by March 2020,

00:34:05.620 I took all our resources.

00:34:07.620 Thank God we had the resources.

00:34:09.440 So that's the sort of gift.

00:34:10.900 Was this your money?

00:34:12.060 All my money.

00:34:13.480 Okay.

00:34:13.720 So I should just say,

00:34:14.940 I alluded to it earlier,

00:34:16.260 but you had a couple of companies

00:34:17.680 making cancer drugs.

00:34:19.080 You owned all of them.

00:34:20.260 I mean, you owned,

00:34:20.720 I think, 100% of the companies.

00:34:21.760 You sold them

00:34:22.400 for $10 billion or something.

00:34:24.840 So, but rather than buy a vineyard,

00:34:26.360 you continued in your work.

00:34:27.940 Is that a fair?

00:34:29.460 Very fair.

00:34:30.200 You know, as I said to you

00:34:31.760 over breakfast,

00:34:32.380 I had no idea about stocks.

00:34:35.420 So when the two companies were bought

00:34:37.700 and they were bought

00:34:38.300 for the right reasons.

00:34:39.140 So one company was

00:34:40.300 American Pharmaceutical Partners

00:34:41.740 and we were making

00:34:43.380 literally close to a million vials a day

00:34:45.400 in the United States

00:34:46.380 manufacturing of 150 different SKUs

00:34:50.080 for every part of the hospital

00:34:51.300 and we're safe for heparin.

00:34:53.000 So Fresenia said,

00:34:53.960 we want to buy you.

00:34:54.640 And we said, great.

00:34:55.360 And then I developed this molecule

00:34:58.160 that was feeding the tumor

00:35:00.140 that could actually activate

00:35:01.360 the immune system

00:35:02.200 to activate the macrophages

00:35:03.880 called Abraxane.

00:35:05.260 And Seljean said,

00:35:05.980 we want to buy you.

00:35:06.600 I said, great.

00:35:07.760 And the purpose for my selling them

00:35:09.460 was not for the money.

00:35:11.680 Clearly it was for the money,

00:35:13.020 but the purpose of the use of the money

00:35:14.720 to pursue this dream

00:35:16.440 of this astrophysics

00:35:18.200 to find God's particle

00:35:19.500 in your human body

00:35:20.540 to activate your immune system.

00:35:22.740 That was the purpose of this money.

00:35:24.380 And that's all I've done

00:35:26.020 with the money.

00:35:26.960 I spent about $3 billion

00:35:28.240 of this money.

00:35:29.440 I've not gotten one penny

00:35:31.540 from the government.

00:35:33.980 Not even one dime.

00:35:36.380 You're the only one.

00:35:37.980 Yeah.

00:35:38.880 And maybe that's the freedom

00:35:40.200 and the liberation

00:35:40.960 allow me to say

00:35:41.740 what I can say now.

00:35:43.080 Yes, that's right.

00:35:43.520 So, again,

00:35:45.980 I keep pulling this away

00:35:47.240 because there's a lot here

00:35:48.320 that's interesting,

00:35:49.240 but how did you not get COVID?

00:35:52.360 Okay.

00:35:54.960 So, I recognized that,

00:35:57.900 so Peter Marks and I

00:35:59.220 had these conversations.

00:36:00.160 So, he was head of CBER.

00:36:04.180 And I was then pinging him

00:36:06.280 with the science

00:36:07.320 because this is a biologic.

00:36:10.620 And I was saying to Peter,

00:36:12.500 listen, Peter,

00:36:13.580 I need to show you

00:36:15.000 that we need to create

00:36:16.000 a T-cell vaccine.

00:36:17.540 And he said,

00:36:18.020 well, we don't do T-cell vaccines.

00:36:20.160 Everybody's doing the other vaccines,

00:36:22.120 but great, let's continue.

00:36:23.400 The antibody vaccines.

00:36:24.500 Antibody vaccines.

00:36:26.400 And then he called me

00:36:27.380 and he said,

00:36:28.000 we're going to create warp speed.

00:36:31.020 And he's a star trekking

00:36:32.160 and I'm a star trekking.

00:36:33.160 I love warp speed.

00:36:34.040 I said, okay,

00:36:34.480 we're going to do this

00:36:35.100 in warp speed.

00:36:36.020 Absolutely.

00:36:37.340 But the only way, Peter,

00:36:38.620 you're going to do this

00:36:39.160 in warp speed,

00:36:40.860 you need,

00:36:41.660 we need as a country

00:36:43.680 to have NIH and Bada

00:36:46.140 fund a trial

00:36:48.160 where we take macaque monkeys,

00:36:51.500 we give them the vaccine

00:36:53.220 and everybody should throw

00:36:54.540 their vaccine in

00:36:55.460 because I don't care

00:36:56.280 whether it's not mine

00:36:57.000 or theirs,

00:36:57.580 whoever's vaccine

00:36:58.560 to clear the virus.

00:37:01.220 The only way

00:37:01.820 to do this experiment,

00:37:02.880 you give the monkeys

00:37:04.000 the vaccine,

00:37:05.080 it's under your control,

00:37:07.100 you have a hundred monkeys,

00:37:09.100 everybody gets a set of vaccines

00:37:11.400 and then you infect

00:37:13.340 the monkeys

00:37:15.260 in the BSL-3 facility

00:37:16.680 with a high dose of COVID

00:37:17.900 and then you see

00:37:20.320 in their lungs

00:37:21.700 and the tissue

00:37:22.700 that there's no virus

00:37:24.200 after seven days.

00:37:26.500 Absolutely.

00:37:27.680 That was warp speed.

00:37:29.600 So I was one of eight

00:37:31.260 of warp speed.

00:37:34.120 Then I get a call,

00:37:35.620 Patrick, you dewarped.

00:37:38.980 You are there,

00:37:40.280 I said,

00:37:41.100 test my vaccine anyway.

00:37:43.720 They did a vaccine test

00:37:45.120 at the NIH and Bada.

00:37:46.620 It cleared the virus

00:37:48.000 as I predicted.

00:37:49.760 There was no virus

00:37:50.580 in the lungs

00:37:51.080 after a big infection.

00:37:53.340 So I said,

00:37:54.080 okay,

00:37:55.460 I'm dewarped

00:37:56.700 and this was

00:37:59.300 a Francis Collins scheme

00:38:01.560 and Anthony Fauci scheme

00:38:04.200 and Muncie Slaoui scheme

00:38:05.800 and one day

00:38:08.420 we'll talk about

00:38:08.980 the conversation

00:38:09.600 I had with Muncie Slaoui

00:38:10.660 and what I've learned

00:38:11.980 about Francis Collins

00:38:13.000 in that event

00:38:15.760 and they were going

00:38:17.540 to go after

00:38:17.880 this antibody vaccine

00:38:19.020 which is this

00:38:19.540 mRNA vaccine

00:38:20.600 with spike.

00:38:22.300 And I said,

00:38:22.940 this is too important.

00:38:23.980 I told my people,

00:38:24.920 we're going to build

00:38:25.400 our own vaccine

00:38:26.040 with our own money.

00:38:27.640 I couldn't get enough

00:38:28.680 material

00:38:29.260 other than to do

00:38:30.440 one batch

00:38:31.240 and we're going to do

00:38:32.540 a phase one trial

00:38:33.280 and we're going to inject

00:38:35.560 as many people

00:38:36.820 that we can do

00:38:37.480 in the phase one trial.

00:38:39.040 I'm one of them.

00:38:40.880 I injected myself.

00:38:42.100 And your wife.

00:38:44.760 And we're going to measure

00:38:46.160 I won't talk about

00:38:48.340 I don't want to talk

00:38:48.980 about the family.

00:38:49.720 Of course.

00:38:50.420 And we're going to measure

00:38:51.580 my own blood.

00:38:53.360 I drew my own blood

00:38:54.560 and tested

00:38:56.580 and I have T cells

00:38:58.320 to nucleocapsid

00:39:00.400 and to spike

00:39:02.140 which means

00:39:04.320 if I were to get COVID

00:39:05.520 touch wood

00:39:06.760 the T cells

00:39:08.780 now are memory T cells

00:39:10.040 would clear the virus.

00:39:12.100 So we then

00:39:13.940 tried

00:39:15.600 begged

00:39:16.400 begged

00:39:17.400 because

00:39:18.660 not for funding even

00:39:20.000 but for

00:39:21.820 the plastic bags

00:39:23.340 that were now

00:39:24.160 restricted

00:39:25.280 as you grow these things

00:39:26.820 to Pfizer

00:39:27.820 and Moderna

00:39:28.460 all the materials

00:39:30.340 that you need

00:39:30.900 in a biologic facility.

00:39:33.420 Got zero.

00:39:36.060 I've only got one batch

00:39:37.160 so I'm going to South Africa

00:39:38.840 and inject these

00:39:40.720 in patients with HIV.

00:39:42.100 Because that's

00:39:42.580 the biggest test

00:39:43.420 you could have.

00:39:44.740 You couldn't generate

00:39:45.560 T cells in the patients

00:39:46.480 with HIV

00:39:47.080 and do this

00:39:48.920 phase two

00:39:49.500 and phase three

00:39:50.120 trial in South Africa.

00:39:52.560 So we did that

00:39:53.660 and then

00:39:55.320 I called Peter

00:39:56.220 and I said

00:39:56.680 Peter

00:39:56.940 I'm sorry

00:39:57.980 what were the results like?

00:39:59.600 T cells.

00:40:02.940 The people that

00:40:04.240 interestingly enough

00:40:05.860 it doesn't say

00:40:09.460 just so you know

00:40:10.740 you have to

00:40:13.000 differentiate

00:40:13.620 does it actually

00:40:17.260 prevent the

00:40:17.860 penetration

00:40:18.320 of the virus

00:40:19.320 versus

00:40:20.060 the load

00:40:21.560 of the virus

00:40:22.180 versus the clearance

00:40:22.980 of the virus.

00:40:23.540 These are three

00:40:23.920 different things.

00:40:24.640 so

00:40:26.780 we think

00:40:29.480 it prevents

00:40:30.080 the penetration

00:40:30.940 but we don't

00:40:31.820 know

00:40:32.260 because

00:40:32.820 as soon as

00:40:33.480 it does

00:40:33.700 penetrate

00:40:34.080 it would

00:40:34.440 clear

00:40:34.700 so you

00:40:35.080 wouldn't

00:40:35.300 even know

00:40:36.120 or the

00:40:37.360 T cell

00:40:37.680 vaccine.

00:40:39.200 This is

00:40:39.820 anecdotal

00:40:40.360 but some

00:40:41.620 of the people

00:40:42.040 who got

00:40:42.380 our T cell

00:40:42.900 vaccine

00:40:43.400 their family

00:40:44.420 members

00:40:44.980 got COVID

00:40:45.580 they didn't

00:40:46.040 get it

00:40:46.360 obviously

00:40:46.720 the vaccine

00:40:47.460 and they

00:40:48.260 didn't get

00:40:48.620 COVID

00:40:48.980 while living

00:40:50.740 with the

00:40:51.040 family.

00:40:53.780 The issue

00:40:54.620 of clearing

00:40:55.220 the virus

00:40:55.720 in transmission

00:40:56.440 was the

00:40:57.220 key.

00:40:59.040 So

00:40:59.600 an antibody

00:41:00.460 vaccine

00:41:01.540 may reduce

00:41:03.560 the viral

00:41:03.920 load

00:41:04.340 and therefore

00:41:04.820 reduce death

00:41:05.500 which is a

00:41:06.080 good thing

00:41:06.680 that President

00:41:07.160 Trump did

00:41:07.780 but the

00:41:08.680 next generation

00:41:09.480 of clearing

00:41:10.480 the virus

00:41:10.980 was what

00:41:11.360 was needed

00:41:11.940 and both

00:41:13.680 should have

00:41:14.060 been developed

00:41:14.560 simultaneously.

00:41:17.160 It

00:41:17.760 wasn't.

00:41:18.980 I'll share

00:41:19.580 with you

00:41:20.020 to this

00:41:21.120 day

00:41:21.340 it's a

00:41:22.340 mystery

00:41:22.560 to me

00:41:22.880 why

00:41:23.280 but

00:41:24.900 the

00:41:26.460 opportunity

00:41:27.760 to clear

00:41:28.820 the virus

00:41:29.420 was actually

00:41:30.480 known

00:41:31.220 I think

00:41:31.840 by Collins

00:41:33.120 and by

00:41:33.780 Fauci

00:41:34.140 that it

00:41:34.520 did not

00:41:34.980 clear the

00:41:35.780 virus.

00:41:36.340 The spike

00:41:36.860 vaccines.

00:41:38.420 The spike

00:41:38.800 vaccine.

00:41:39.300 The Pfizer

00:41:39.640 Moderna.

00:41:39.900 The antibody

00:41:40.380 vaccine

00:41:40.940 does not

00:41:41.420 end to this

00:41:42.000 day.

00:41:42.400 Does not

00:41:42.840 clear the

00:41:43.380 virus.

00:41:45.740 That seems

00:41:46.620 like a big

00:41:47.260 deal.

00:41:47.980 Well

00:41:48.200 just what

00:41:48.900 we talked

00:41:49.240 about.

00:41:49.680 If you

00:41:49.980 don't

00:41:50.280 clear the

00:41:50.780 virus and

00:41:53.540 you have

00:41:53.800 pieces of

00:41:54.500 the virus

00:41:55.000 in there

00:41:55.620 especially

00:41:56.020 spike whether

00:41:57.840 from the

00:41:58.300 infection or

00:41:58.940 from the

00:41:59.300 vaccine and

00:42:00.900 now you

00:42:01.220 get another

00:42:01.960 infection.

00:42:03.800 Now the

00:42:04.940 virus brings

00:42:05.580 along this

00:42:06.280 nucleic

00:42:06.700 capsid.

00:42:07.780 Now it

00:42:08.640 reconjoins and

00:42:10.440 replicates

00:42:11.380 again in

00:42:13.180 these what

00:42:14.080 they call

00:42:14.360 privileged

00:42:14.940 sites.

00:42:16.120 Two years

00:42:16.600 later and

00:42:18.200 what we

00:42:18.780 see now

00:42:19.780 we're back

00:42:20.140 to

00:42:20.280 persistence

00:42:20.820 that's

00:42:22.180 now

00:42:22.360 published

00:42:22.920 just

00:42:23.560 months

00:42:23.880 ago and

00:42:25.760 this is

00:42:26.060 what I

00:42:26.360 shared

00:42:26.740 with NIH

00:42:27.320 secretly

00:42:28.080 four months

00:42:28.960 ago and

00:42:30.860 persistence

00:42:31.660 asymptomatic

00:42:34.220 persistence

00:42:34.880 but with

00:42:35.480 inflammation

00:42:36.140 and reduction

00:42:39.480 of p53

00:42:40.440 and immunosuppression

00:42:42.440 are all

00:42:44.680 the hallmarks

00:42:45.520 and recipes

00:42:46.280 for cancer.

00:42:48.740 And coming

00:42:49.600 back to your

00:42:50.100 first question

00:42:50.880 is why are

00:42:52.140 we seeing an

00:42:52.700 increase in

00:42:53.240 young people?

00:42:54.480 I think all

00:42:55.580 of the above.

00:42:56.520 The toxins,

00:42:57.680 the history,

00:42:59.400 the red

00:43:00.360 dye, the

00:43:00.940 PFAS, the

00:43:02.460 COVID, all

00:43:04.780 of the above.

00:43:06.120 Does both

00:43:06.680 COVID and the

00:43:07.820 COVID vaccine

00:43:08.900 lower over

00:43:10.540 time?

00:43:11.100 the human

00:43:13.360 immune system?

00:43:14.680 The vaccine

00:43:15.920 itself

00:43:16.740 upregulates

00:43:19.580 temporarily the

00:43:20.420 antibodies.

00:43:22.380 But if the

00:43:23.500 vaccine,

00:43:24.860 the spike

00:43:25.980 protein breaks

00:43:26.800 off

00:43:27.140 and the

00:43:29.900 RNA or

00:43:30.940 DNA goes

00:43:31.760 into the

00:43:32.360 cells

00:43:32.800 and

00:43:35.180 whether from

00:43:36.400 infection or the

00:43:37.200 vaccine, that's

00:43:38.000 where the

00:43:38.240 controversy is,

00:43:39.300 right?

00:43:39.480 it could be

00:43:39.940 both.

00:43:41.840 And the

00:43:42.600 vaccine doesn't

00:43:43.540 clear the

00:43:44.380 virus.

00:43:45.040 That's the

00:43:45.600 key.

00:43:46.860 It doesn't

00:43:47.920 clear the

00:43:48.440 virus.

00:43:49.460 And that's

00:43:49.860 why we

00:43:51.420 were told, of

00:43:52.100 course, you

00:43:52.800 take the

00:43:53.240 virus and

00:43:54.200 then you

00:43:54.480 can't get

00:43:55.060 COVID or

00:43:55.680 transmit it,

00:43:56.760 but not

00:43:57.200 either one

00:43:57.600 turned out to

00:43:58.220 be true.

00:43:59.520 Demonstrably

00:44:00.080 untrue.

00:44:00.660 Well, it's not

00:44:01.300 only demonstrably

00:44:02.080 untrue, it was

00:44:02.600 knowingly

00:44:03.120 untrue.

00:44:04.640 That's what's

00:44:05.420 bad about it.

00:44:06.300 would seem

00:44:08.500 like that's

00:44:08.960 criminal,

00:44:09.760 actually.

00:44:10.940 I mean, if I

00:44:11.400 tell you that,

00:44:12.720 you know, this

00:44:14.140 car gets 40

00:44:15.280 miles to the

00:44:15.760 gallon and

00:44:16.180 instead it

00:44:16.600 blows up,

00:44:17.500 that's a

00:44:18.660 crime.

00:44:19.200 You can't

00:44:20.040 sell anything

00:44:21.000 under false

00:44:21.560 pretenses.

00:44:22.200 That's a

00:44:22.460 crime.

00:44:23.040 I don't see

00:44:23.380 how this is

00:44:23.720 not a

00:44:23.960 crime.

00:44:25.160 Well, as

00:44:25.800 you said

00:44:26.400 over breakfast,

00:44:27.340 it's not a

00:44:28.840 conspiracy, if

00:44:29.600 it's true.

00:44:32.260 I believe

00:44:32.900 you're writing

00:44:33.200 a book with

00:44:33.580 that title.

00:44:33.960 You probably

00:44:35.000 have no idea

00:44:35.820 where your

00:44:36.220 meat comes

00:44:36.820 from.

00:44:37.120 You probably

00:44:37.560 should know.

00:44:38.460 The likelihood

00:44:38.860 is that the

00:44:39.480 meat you're

00:44:39.780 eating passed

00:44:40.440 through a

00:44:40.760 massive industrial

00:44:41.660 processing plant

00:44:42.720 probably owned

00:44:44.080 by a foreign

00:44:44.760 corporation.

00:44:46.260 Foreign meat.

00:44:47.160 Did you sign

00:44:47.600 up for that?

00:44:48.180 We don't

00:44:48.500 think you

00:44:48.820 did.

00:44:49.840 So you

00:44:50.540 probably have

00:44:51.840 no idea of

00:44:52.660 knowing where

00:44:52.960 the animal

00:44:53.280 grew up,

00:44:53.840 what that

00:44:54.040 animal ate,

00:44:55.040 or what

00:44:55.400 chemicals big

00:44:56.420 food pumped

00:44:57.220 into that

00:44:57.760 animal to

00:44:58.200 increase profits.

00:44:59.660 That's all

00:45:00.040 kept secret,

00:45:00.720 meaning you can

00:45:01.260 never really

00:45:01.960 know what

00:45:02.600 you're putting

00:45:02.980 in your mouth

00:45:03.580 and in

00:45:04.400 your body.

00:45:05.540 That's

00:45:05.980 disgusting if

00:45:06.700 you think

00:45:07.020 about it,

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00:45:14.520 their meat

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00:47:36.420 that the

00:47:38.400 COVID vax

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00:47:40.140 prevent infection

00:47:42.240 nor transmission.

00:47:43.080 Yes.

00:47:45.800 And worse,

00:47:46.780 I think,

00:47:47.800 you know,

00:47:48.300 it's not well

00:47:48.860 known that

00:47:51.000 during the

00:47:52.040 first

00:47:52.520 President Trump

00:47:56.920 election,

00:47:59.160 he offered me

00:48:00.140 a position,

00:48:01.700 and I turned

00:48:03.280 it down because

00:48:04.100 I said to him,

00:48:05.020 I really could

00:48:05.460 help him from

00:48:06.220 outside in

00:48:07.080 better than,

00:48:07.860 and I had too

00:48:08.360 much to do.

00:48:09.140 I really was

00:48:09.720 working on this,

00:48:10.880 thank God,

00:48:11.460 working on

00:48:12.380 this potential

00:48:13.660 cure for cancer

00:48:14.460 as well as

00:48:14.980 clearing the

00:48:15.400 virus with

00:48:15.860 COVID,

00:48:16.940 this,

00:48:17.580 what I call

00:48:18.180 the missing

00:48:18.520 link,

00:48:18.900 which we can

00:48:19.320 talk about,

00:48:20.300 this activator

00:48:21.140 of the

00:48:21.400 unnatural killer

00:48:22.020 cells,

00:48:22.460 this bio-shield,

00:48:24.040 and we have

00:48:25.480 this bio-shield

00:48:26.160 now,

00:48:27.140 so it was

00:48:28.540 the right

00:48:29.060 decision for

00:48:29.680 me not to

00:48:30.260 go into the

00:48:30.660 government

00:48:30.960 during that

00:48:31.760 time and

00:48:32.720 to stay

00:48:33.160 out.

00:48:34.100 This was

00:48:34.520 16,

00:48:35.480 17?

00:48:36.100 Correct.

00:48:37.860 But worse,

00:48:39.040 I've since

00:48:39.560 discovered

00:48:40.300 not by

00:48:42.100 my inquiry,

00:48:43.020 but it's

00:48:43.380 been revealed

00:48:43.840 to me,

00:48:44.380 emails about

00:48:45.900 Francis Collins

00:48:46.760 and some

00:48:48.520 politicians

00:48:49.080 work hard

00:48:50.140 to prevent

00:48:51.040 me from

00:48:51.740 even joining

00:48:52.380 becoming

00:48:52.960 head of

00:48:53.300 NIH.

00:48:55.120 And I

00:48:55.800 think that

00:48:56.140 was the

00:48:56.460 motivation all

00:48:57.240 the way

00:48:57.460 downstream

00:48:57.960 that we

00:48:59.260 asked,

00:48:59.660 okay,

00:48:59.840 so what

00:49:00.140 happened to

00:49:00.700 this vaccine?

00:49:02.280 So I

00:49:03.020 called the

00:49:03.680 FDA and

00:49:05.580 said,

00:49:05.920 okay,

00:49:06.520 I can't

00:49:07.100 do a

00:49:07.600 randomized

00:49:07.940 placebo

00:49:08.540 control trial

00:49:09.280 now because

00:49:09.880 you've

00:49:10.440 got

00:49:10.680 Pfizer's

00:49:12.300 Moderna

00:49:12.880 vaccines all

00:49:13.700 over the

00:49:14.080 place,

00:49:14.720 so let

00:49:15.380 me be

00:49:15.680 the

00:49:15.880 booster.

00:49:18.840 And

00:49:19.320 Peter

00:49:19.580 Marks,

00:49:19.960 to his

00:49:20.160 credit,

00:49:20.580 was the

00:49:20.860 one who

00:49:21.220 said,

00:49:21.620 absolutely.

00:49:23.500 Peter

00:49:23.840 Marks,

00:49:24.200 to his

00:49:24.440 credit,

00:49:24.800 was the

00:49:25.060 one who

00:49:25.380 says,

00:49:25.740 I'm

00:49:25.960 worried

00:49:26.240 about

00:49:26.540 this

00:49:26.760 COVID

00:49:27.300 vaccine

00:49:27.880 and

00:49:28.140 this

00:49:28.340 long

00:49:28.580 COVID.

00:49:29.900 I

00:49:30.300 want to

00:49:30.660 study

00:49:30.940 the

00:49:31.240 effects

00:49:31.520 of

00:49:31.680 this

00:49:31.860 vaccine.

00:49:33.000 Peter

00:49:33.340 Marks

00:49:33.660 said to

00:49:34.220 me,

00:49:34.360 Patrick,

00:49:34.620 fine,

00:49:35.040 go ahead.

00:49:35.600 I

00:49:36.660 injected

00:49:36.980 the

00:49:37.180 first

00:49:37.340 three

00:49:37.540 patients

00:49:38.000 as a

00:49:39.000 booster.

00:49:39.700 I

00:49:40.080 get

00:49:40.320 the

00:49:40.540 call

00:49:40.920 from

00:49:41.280 the

00:49:41.460 FDA

00:49:41.840 to

00:49:42.180 say,

00:49:42.860 you

00:49:43.660 have

00:49:43.800 to

00:49:43.940 stop.

00:49:44.880 I

00:49:45.280 said,

00:49:45.480 why?

00:49:48.240 To

00:49:48.640 this day,

00:49:49.040 they never

00:49:49.320 explained to

00:49:49.860 me,

00:49:50.020 it wasn't

00:49:50.420 Peter.

00:49:51.380 It was

00:49:51.920 people

00:49:52.360 around

00:49:53.100 Peter

00:49:53.540 said,

00:49:55.240 you must

00:49:55.460 stop.

00:49:57.480 So we

00:49:58.020 stopped.

00:49:59.060 And there

00:49:59.460 was nothing

00:49:59.760 more we

00:50:00.120 could do

00:50:00.360 anyway,

00:50:00.780 because we

00:50:01.020 didn't have

00:50:01.380 any of the

00:50:01.800 resources,

00:50:02.500 the money,

00:50:03.000 the supplies,

00:50:04.340 to complete

00:50:05.260 a phase

00:50:05.600 three.

00:50:06.040 So the

00:50:06.280 government

00:50:06.520 has a

00:50:06.860 monopoly

00:50:07.220 on some

00:50:07.700 of the

00:50:07.860 materials

00:50:08.320 that you

00:50:08.640 need to

00:50:09.080 do this

00:50:09.380 kind of

00:50:09.660 testing in

00:50:10.080 a bio lab.

00:50:10.700 Is that

00:50:10.860 correct?

00:50:11.460 Correct.

00:50:11.740 But now

00:50:12.060 we're into

00:50:12.380 Biden era.

00:50:13.800 So now

00:50:14.360 we're in

00:50:14.620 the Biden

00:50:14.980 era that

00:50:16.400 said,

00:50:16.720 I must

00:50:16.980 stop.

00:50:17.500 This is

00:50:17.880 2020

00:50:18.280 now.

00:50:20.540 It was

00:50:23.220 during the

00:50:24.880 Biden era.

00:50:28.360 And I

00:50:28.700 think there

00:50:30.020 was this,

00:50:31.900 sadly,

00:50:32.520 I'm not a

00:50:33.600 conspiracy

00:50:33.960 theorist,

00:50:34.760 but now

00:50:35.160 I've come

00:50:35.400 to realize

00:50:35.820 it truly

00:50:36.220 was a

00:50:36.600 deep

00:50:36.780 state

00:50:37.140 inside

00:50:38.200 there

00:50:38.600 that

00:50:39.520 had a

00:50:39.780 motivation

00:50:40.300 beyond,

00:50:42.980 it's sad

00:50:43.600 to say,

00:50:44.060 it's the

00:50:44.260 most devastating

00:50:45.320 to say,

00:50:45.860 beyond public

00:50:46.400 health.

00:50:49.240 And I

00:50:49.600 just tweeted

00:50:50.160 recently of

00:50:51.060 how so few

00:50:53.360 people could

00:50:53.840 hurt so

00:50:54.220 many.

00:50:56.120 And that's

00:50:56.620 why when

00:50:59.360 I tweeted

00:50:59.840 about finally

00:51:01.360 we have the

00:51:01.800 right person

00:51:02.320 in HHS

00:51:03.080 with Bobby

00:51:03.540 Kennedy will

00:51:04.180 take this

00:51:04.640 on.

00:51:06.120 And that

00:51:07.320 we have

00:51:07.700 doctors that

00:51:08.400 will be like

00:51:09.420 Marty McCary,

00:51:10.320 I don't know,

00:51:11.840 but I do know

00:51:12.600 he's a surgeon

00:51:13.700 who can

00:51:14.800 understand and

00:51:15.520 touch and feel

00:51:16.200 what it means

00:51:17.480 to be there

00:51:19.020 on behalf of

00:51:19.780 the patient.

00:51:22.360 And my

00:51:23.460 support for

00:51:24.100 that,

00:51:25.160 I think we

00:51:27.240 have a chance

00:51:27.780 now to

00:51:28.280 completely turn

00:51:29.100 this around

00:51:29.660 this last

00:51:31.520 election was

00:51:32.260 in part

00:51:33.000 about that.

00:51:33.760 I think the

00:51:34.400 national

00:51:35.720 realization

00:51:36.320 that COVID

00:51:36.960 was there

00:51:37.380 was something

00:51:37.700 very dark

00:51:38.220 there.

00:51:38.580 It wasn't

00:51:38.840 just a virus

00:51:39.420 that happened

00:51:40.720 upon us.

00:51:41.760 Naturally,

00:51:42.380 there was a

00:51:44.660 lot of evil

00:51:45.060 bound up in it.

00:51:46.820 But just to

00:51:47.400 back up a second,

00:51:48.100 you said you

00:51:48.940 have learned

00:51:49.440 from watching

00:51:50.000 COVID that a

00:51:51.340 few people can

00:51:51.900 hurt so many.

00:51:52.460 Who are those

00:51:52.820 people?

00:51:53.080 I think the

00:51:55.880 main culprit

00:51:56.520 really sitting

00:51:57.660 there was

00:51:58.680 Collins.

00:51:59.660 Francis Collins.

00:52:00.340 Francis Collins.

00:52:02.300 And he

00:52:02.800 controlled,

00:52:04.000 I mean,

00:52:06.120 I had shared

00:52:08.700 with President

00:52:09.120 Trump that

00:52:09.580 Francis Collins

00:52:10.100 should not be

00:52:10.600 the NIH

00:52:11.080 director.

00:52:12.840 He offered

00:52:13.580 me a job.

00:52:16.500 Peter Thiel

00:52:16.980 nominated me.

00:52:19.640 And I've

00:52:20.400 since found

00:52:21.020 emails of

00:52:22.900 Francis Collins

00:52:23.720 sending an

00:52:25.920 email to a

00:52:26.560 politician that

00:52:27.320 alarm bells,

00:52:28.280 alarm bells,

00:52:29.020 Peter Thiel

00:52:29.560 nominated Patrick

00:52:30.500 Soon-Shiong,

00:52:31.020 we have to

00:52:31.400 find a way

00:52:31.760 to stop it.

00:52:34.100 Why?

00:52:35.600 To this

00:52:36.000 day,

00:52:37.140 power,

00:52:38.360 greed,

00:52:40.660 political

00:52:42.720 need.

00:52:44.900 He did the

00:52:45.500 same thing

00:52:45.840 with Craig

00:52:46.220 Venter.

00:52:46.760 I remember

00:52:47.160 during Clinton's

00:52:48.080 time with the

00:52:48.640 Human Genome

00:52:49.200 Project where

00:52:49.920 Craig Venter

00:52:50.780 invented the

00:52:51.660 sequencing machine

00:52:52.680 for tens of

00:52:53.780 millions of

00:52:54.220 dollars and

00:52:54.660 he was

00:52:54.820 spending

00:52:55.060 billions of

00:52:55.580 dollars doing

00:52:56.080 nothing but

00:52:56.560 wanted the

00:52:57.000 credit.

00:52:59.380 I think

00:53:00.460 what happens

00:53:01.720 to you when

00:53:02.100 you get into

00:53:02.660 Washington,

00:53:04.920 the ego,

00:53:06.800 greed,

00:53:07.100 and power

00:53:07.620 changes your

00:53:10.520 mindset.

00:53:11.240 so I can't

00:53:15.360 give motivation

00:53:16.280 to that.

00:53:16.640 All I can

00:53:17.120 tell you is

00:53:17.560 when I saw

00:53:18.040 that email,

00:53:18.700 I was

00:53:19.200 devastated that

00:53:21.140 somebody would

00:53:21.640 actually go to

00:53:22.260 that extent

00:53:22.960 and then send

00:53:24.680 that same

00:53:25.140 email to the

00:53:25.940 CEO of

00:53:26.400 Bio,

00:53:26.820 which is

00:53:27.180 all big

00:53:27.580 pharma.

00:53:29.380 And that

00:53:31.580 CEO of

00:53:32.080 Bio said,

00:53:32.720 let's go to

00:53:33.180 Google search

00:53:34.520 to find some

00:53:35.120 dirt on him.

00:53:37.020 Dirt on you?

00:53:37.980 On me?

00:53:38.220 To stop me

00:53:40.380 from being

00:53:41.880 nominated to

00:53:43.460 be head of

00:53:44.080 NIH or

00:53:44.720 whatever.

00:53:45.180 Let's Google

00:53:45.680 him to

00:53:46.320 stop him?

00:53:47.120 Let's Google

00:53:47.620 to find some

00:53:48.460 dirt,

00:53:49.880 some bad

00:53:50.920 stuff,

00:53:51.820 negative

00:53:52.100 research,

00:53:52.600 whatever they

00:53:53.060 want to

00:53:53.360 find.

00:53:53.920 They probably

00:53:54.500 couldn't find

00:53:55.140 any dirt on

00:53:55.700 me,

00:53:55.860 but that

00:53:56.740 was the

00:53:57.180 interchange

00:53:57.600 between

00:53:57.940 them.

00:53:59.880 On email.

00:54:01.520 But the

00:54:02.200 funny thing

00:54:02.580 is you

00:54:02.940 made a

00:54:03.380 product,

00:54:04.380 and by

00:54:04.600 the way,

00:54:04.940 a clarification

00:54:05.800 of terms,

00:54:06.700 my understanding

00:54:07.340 was a

00:54:07.700 vaccine,

00:54:08.220 was

00:54:08.400 administered

00:54:08.760 to a

00:54:09.100 healthy

00:54:09.300 person to

00:54:09.820 prevent him

00:54:11.000 from getting

00:54:11.380 the disease.

00:54:12.360 You're

00:54:12.800 describing a

00:54:13.680 product,

00:54:14.040 the one

00:54:14.220 that you

00:54:14.540 made,

00:54:15.260 that you

00:54:16.280 can inject

00:54:16.820 into an

00:54:17.220 infected

00:54:17.700 person,

00:54:18.440 and it

00:54:18.760 cures the

00:54:19.120 infection.

00:54:19.560 That sounds

00:54:19.860 more like a

00:54:20.260 conventional

00:54:20.600 medicine than

00:54:21.280 a vaccine.

00:54:21.700 It's a

00:54:21.860 therapeutic.

00:54:22.720 A

00:54:22.880 therapeutic.

00:54:23.760 Correct.

00:54:24.660 So,

00:54:25.060 you know,

00:54:25.260 I use the

00:54:25.660 word vaccine

00:54:26.160 because that's

00:54:26.600 what they

00:54:26.800 understood.

00:54:28.860 You know,

00:54:29.540 it's dogma

00:54:31.880 and terminology.

00:54:32.840 Right.

00:54:33.320 But you're

00:54:33.840 giving this to

00:54:35.180 people who

00:54:35.540 have COVID,

00:54:36.440 who have

00:54:37.060 HIV.

00:54:38.120 Well,

00:54:38.520 I want to

00:54:38.780 give it to

00:54:39.020 people who

00:54:39.300 don't have

00:54:39.640 COVID so

00:54:40.080 they can

00:54:40.340 actually get

00:54:41.200 COVID.

00:54:41.480 I am now

00:54:43.060 giving to

00:54:43.420 patients with

00:54:44.060 HIV.

00:54:44.580 I'm giving to

00:54:45.020 people with

00:54:45.520 HPV.

00:54:46.580 I'm giving

00:54:47.020 people who

00:54:49.420 are getting

00:54:49.820 cancer and

00:54:50.660 have cancer.

00:54:51.360 cancer and

00:54:52.020 more importantly

00:54:52.580 there's one

00:54:53.560 in 280

00:54:54.260 Americans.

00:54:55.100 One in

00:54:55.440 280

00:54:56.040 Americans have

00:54:57.680 this thing

00:54:58.040 called Lynch

00:54:58.480 syndrome.

00:54:59.760 What Lynch

00:55:00.400 syndrome is is

00:55:01.180 a genetic

00:55:01.820 predisposition of

00:55:03.740 an 80%

00:55:04.480 increase of

00:55:05.180 colon cancer,

00:55:06.400 ovarian cancer,

00:55:07.080 breast cancer.

00:55:08.040 It's a genetic

00:55:09.100 predisposition where

00:55:11.100 your cells don't

00:55:12.120 repair themselves.

00:55:13.800 I lost a

00:55:14.860 friend to

00:55:15.220 this.

00:55:15.520 Yes.

00:55:16.520 We are in

00:55:17.020 clinical trials

00:55:17.700 for the

00:55:18.200 BioShield for

00:55:18.880 patients with

00:55:19.580 Lynch syndrome.

00:55:20.180 We now have

00:55:20.540 100 patients

00:55:21.200 enrolled already

00:55:21.980 giving them

00:55:22.920 this BioShield

00:55:24.140 that will

00:55:25.160 prevent cancer.

00:55:26.060 So it's one

00:55:26.540 of the first

00:55:27.420 trials of

00:55:29.680 prevention of

00:55:30.460 cancer,

00:55:31.060 and treatment

00:55:31.900 of cancer.

00:55:32.800 Then this

00:55:34.000 drug, this

00:55:34.740 BioShield,

00:55:36.100 I don't want to

00:55:37.240 call it a

00:55:37.600 vaccine,

00:55:38.720 has just

00:55:39.080 gotten approved

00:55:39.540 in 2024 for

00:55:40.680 bladder cancer.

00:55:41.960 We now have

00:55:42.940 people who

00:55:45.000 failed everything

00:55:46.220 who would have

00:55:46.800 their bladder

00:55:47.320 removed.

00:55:48.120 Think about

00:55:48.580 that, your

00:55:48.900 bladder removed,

00:55:50.340 a 9% mortality

00:55:51.580 just from the

00:55:52.220 surgery alone,

00:55:53.660 where we're

00:55:54.120 giving them

00:55:54.680 this BioShield,

00:55:55.620 that's all they

00:55:56.080 got is a

00:55:56.540 subcutaneous

00:55:57.020 injection,

00:55:59.160 or, sorry,

00:56:00.320 into the

00:56:00.680 bladder,

00:56:02.640 and they are

00:56:03.980 now free of

00:56:04.760 disease, still

00:56:05.660 complete remission,

00:56:07.180 nine years

00:56:07.640 out, alive

00:56:09.980 today.

00:56:10.740 We can talk

00:56:11.200 to them,

00:56:12.420 published.

00:56:12.780 We have

00:56:15.000 patients with

00:56:15.560 metastatic

00:56:16.000 pancreatic

00:56:16.600 cancer, we

00:56:17.660 just published,

00:56:19.180 were free of

00:56:19.760 disease, five

00:56:20.960 years out.

00:56:22.380 Senator

00:56:22.700 Reid, who

00:56:24.100 came to see

00:56:24.600 me, after

00:56:25.160 having failed

00:56:25.780 all other

00:56:26.300 treatment with

00:56:27.440 his pancreatic

00:56:28.460 cancer, spread

00:56:29.560 to his liver,

00:56:30.900 came to see

00:56:31.460 me and he

00:56:31.760 said to me,

00:56:32.240 Patrick, I'm

00:56:32.760 here, but I

00:56:33.980 checked with

00:56:34.340 Francis Collins

00:56:34.960 who said,

00:56:35.340 don't go.

00:56:38.360 I said,

00:56:39.060 well,

00:56:40.680 Senator Reid,

00:56:41.960 your choice

00:56:42.720 is, I'm

00:56:43.060 coming, and

00:56:45.000 we gave him

00:56:45.380 the therapy, and

00:56:47.740 he C-19 went

00:56:48.620 down to

00:56:48.940 normal, and

00:56:50.160 he lived for

00:56:50.520 two years,

00:56:51.620 free of

00:56:51.880 disease, he

00:56:52.300 actually was

00:56:53.940 very active.

00:56:56.060 We had a

00:56:56.740 patient with

00:56:57.180 Merkel cell

00:56:57.680 carcinoma,

00:56:58.420 which is a

00:56:59.000 terrible disease

00:56:59.740 of, failed

00:57:01.140 everything, he

00:57:04.700 came into our

00:57:05.240 clinic, complete

00:57:05.980 response, nine

00:57:08.080 years out, he

00:57:08.700 died of other

00:57:10.040 causes.

00:57:10.380 The reason

00:57:13.120 I met

00:57:13.500 Robert,

00:57:16.040 Robert Jr.,

00:57:19.080 I've not

00:57:19.760 known him for

00:57:20.620 about four

00:57:21.020 months, is

00:57:22.220 I called

00:57:23.140 Bobby Shriver.

00:57:25.660 His cousin.

00:57:26.620 His cousin, and

00:57:27.520 the reason I knew

00:57:28.040 Bobby Shriver,

00:57:28.780 because Bobby

00:57:29.260 called me seven

00:57:29.940 years prior to

00:57:30.800 that, saying,

00:57:31.780 Patrick, I'm on

00:57:33.180 the City Council

00:57:33.720 of Santa Monica,

00:57:34.440 and the mayor

00:57:34.920 of Santa Monica

00:57:35.880 has this terrible

00:57:37.140 tumor in his

00:57:37.800 head and neck,

00:57:38.460 it's ulcerating

00:57:40.060 under his chin,

00:57:41.020 ulcerating through

00:57:41.520 his jaw, and

00:57:42.660 UCLA and Cedars

00:57:43.620 Sinai, he said,

00:57:44.660 he's got two

00:57:45.080 weeks to live, he's

00:57:45.700 got to go to

00:57:46.140 hospice, can you

00:57:47.080 see him?

00:57:48.760 I said, absolutely,

00:57:49.840 Bobby, I think he

00:57:50.680 needs our natural

00:57:51.260 killer cells, he

00:57:52.080 needs our bio

00:57:52.660 shield.

00:57:54.520 So I brought him

00:57:55.280 to our clinic, which

00:57:55.960 we have in Los

00:57:56.640 Angeles, in El

00:57:57.680 Segundo.

00:57:58.980 The nurses broke

00:57:59.860 into tears.

00:58:00.820 The nurses said,

00:58:01.380 Patrick, what are

00:58:01.880 you doing?

00:58:04.200 UCLA said he has

00:58:05.080 to go to hospice,

00:58:06.680 you should give

00:58:07.160 this man, I

00:58:07.700 said, no, you

00:58:08.680 don't understand,

00:58:09.440 we can dynamically

00:58:10.320 activate this, and

00:58:12.640 this is all as an

00:58:13.320 outpatient, we got

00:58:14.620 him into complete

00:58:15.440 remission, complete

00:58:17.700 remission.

00:58:18.580 Is he still

00:58:19.120 alive?

00:58:19.800 So it healed, and

00:58:22.240 this melted the

00:58:23.360 tumor, he went

00:58:25.660 home, because it

00:58:27.160 was exposed, a

00:58:28.200 little bleed happened

00:58:29.100 in the blood

00:58:29.580 vessel, his family

00:58:31.840 took him to St.

00:58:32.700 John's, and then

00:58:33.940 they called me

00:58:34.520 frantically and

00:58:35.240 says, the doctor

00:58:36.300 says, do not

00:58:36.960 resuscitate.

00:58:37.740 I said, what?

00:58:38.700 Let me speak to

00:58:39.660 that doctor.

00:58:40.660 He said, well, it's

00:58:41.200 bleeding, and it's

00:58:41.820 got this thing, I

00:58:43.320 think it was in

00:58:45.080 his late 70s, 80s.

00:58:47.500 I said, please

00:58:48.180 clip it, it's a

00:58:49.940 complete response,

00:58:50.820 and we're going to

00:58:51.180 do a flap to

00:58:52.480 cover that.

00:58:54.380 He did, we did

00:58:55.680 the flap, he

00:58:57.040 lived for two

00:58:57.540 years, was able

00:59:00.300 to eat.

00:59:02.840 So when I called

00:59:03.840 Bobby, and I

00:59:04.320 said, Bobby, you

00:59:05.280 remember what we

00:59:06.080 did, he said,

00:59:06.540 absolutely, Patrick.

00:59:07.940 A lot of people

00:59:08.460 have asked me to

00:59:09.140 introduce to

00:59:09.980 Robert, you know,

00:59:11.360 Robert and I don't

00:59:12.020 speak very much, we've

00:59:13.860 had an argument about

00:59:14.900 his ideas, and I

00:59:16.500 said, I understand, but

00:59:17.720 I'm going to give you

00:59:18.240 a number to Robert, to

00:59:22.840 Bobby Kennedy, and

00:59:25.220 he'll call you.

00:59:27.660 Bobby called me in 10

00:59:28.620 minutes, and I said,

00:59:30.920 Bobby, I'd like to

00:59:31.780 introduce myself.

00:59:32.600 He said, Patrick, can I

00:59:33.280 meet with you?

00:59:33.780 I said, please, and he

00:59:36.680 came to meet with me at

00:59:37.820 my home, and we had

00:59:39.520 this long conversation,

00:59:40.680 and I realized, I've

00:59:42.140 just, I watched your

00:59:43.100 show with him, he is

00:59:45.960 what he is, an

00:59:47.560 authentic man with a

00:59:50.860 sense of purpose,

00:59:52.000 conviction, courage, he

00:59:54.700 says what he really

00:59:55.400 believes, sometimes it

00:59:56.560 may be wrong, sometimes

00:59:57.440 it may be right, but he

00:59:58.600 says what he believes,

00:59:59.380 and I really believed,

01:00:03.720 oh my God, here's

01:00:04.460 somebody who would have

01:00:06.440 the courage to take on

01:00:08.180 the world and ask the

01:00:09.400 questions, and I said,

01:00:11.680 I'm going to support

01:00:12.220 you, and that's what

01:00:13.980 happened, that's how I

01:00:15.040 got to know him.

01:00:16.120 Amazing.

01:00:17.320 He was dismissed by,

01:00:19.640 no, not just dismissed,

01:00:20.900 attacked and vilified by a

01:00:23.800 lot of people in the

01:00:24.580 medical establishment, I

01:00:25.600 would say, everybody.

01:00:28.320 Why were you willing to

01:00:31.100 listen to him?

01:00:32.520 Because what he's saying

01:00:33.900 is exactly what I was

01:00:35.200 saying, and I'm sort of

01:00:39.280 attacked by these same

01:00:40.260 people because of the

01:00:41.200 dogma that's out there,

01:00:42.300 so let me give you this

01:00:43.080 example, I said, Bobby,

01:00:45.940 and I shared with him the

01:00:47.300 story about Hope Hicks,

01:00:49.660 I said, you probably just

01:00:52.040 walked out to the office

01:00:52.780 and I walked in, in

01:00:55.200 2016, in 2017, I

01:00:58.380 said, listen, you, people

01:01:00.300 think of you as saying

01:01:01.180 you shouldn't have a

01:01:02.520 polio vaccine, you, that

01:01:04.920 you're an anti-vaccinator.

01:01:08.260 What you really are saying,

01:01:09.560 you're worried about the

01:01:10.220 excipients inside the

01:01:11.360 vaccine, so.

01:01:13.180 About the what?

01:01:14.420 Okay, so that's a

01:01:15.520 technical, the materials

01:01:18.680 that go in with the

01:01:20.240 vaccine.

01:01:20.740 Yes, the mercury, et

01:01:21.780 cetera.

01:01:22.040 The mercury, et cetera.

01:01:23.240 So, I understand there's a

01:01:25.160 polio vaccine, there's one,

01:01:26.540 two, three, four polio

01:01:27.820 vaccines that have now been

01:01:28.720 manufactured, and now

01:01:30.860 that all of a sudden there's

01:01:31.660 a new polio vaccine that's

01:01:32.840 manufactured in which we

01:01:34.220 have cow's serum, calf

01:01:35.820 serum, inside that vaccine,

01:01:38.440 and I know and you know,

01:01:40.460 everybody knows, in the UK

01:01:42.300 knows, you can get prion

01:01:43.800 disease from this calf

01:01:45.640 serum because you can't

01:01:47.280 measure that.

01:01:48.220 So, that got approved in

01:01:52.460 four days with, just because

01:01:54.540 of safety, the way dogma is

01:01:56.140 happening, but there's other

01:01:57.520 polio vaccines, so you can

01:01:59.540 take the other polio vaccines,

01:02:00.940 but don't take that one, just

01:02:03.160 like I was telling you about,

01:02:04.540 maybe I was telling you about

01:02:05.380 propofol's story over

01:02:06.880 breakfast, and you should

01:02:10.600 explain it that way, that you

01:02:12.120 want it just to be examined.

01:02:13.540 And, and he said, exactly, I

01:02:17.240 said, okay, not only did I get

01:02:21.220 him, he is asking the right

01:02:23.420 questions, and people are

01:02:25.920 scared to ask these questions

01:02:27.380 because there's perverse

01:02:28.420 incentives, and that was what

01:02:30.900 bothered me.

01:02:31.620 But in science, shouldn't any

01:02:34.560 question be allowed?

01:02:36.040 Exactly.

01:02:37.840 So, when I tweeted, I said, he

01:02:40.480 knows more science than most

01:02:41.740 doctors.

01:02:42.120 He's much of a...

01:02:45.440 It's a good thing you're

01:02:46.200 rich, because you'd be out of

01:02:48.080 a job, tweeting stuff like

01:02:50.600 that.

01:02:51.280 But it is, right?

01:02:53.160 And, and that's what's a

01:02:54.580 blessing, I think.

01:02:55.220 You know, I live the American

01:02:55.980 dream, and that's why you

01:02:56.820 said, okay, I made this money.

01:02:58.740 The money is for the purpose

01:02:59.940 of me able to do this.

01:03:01.780 And I was very concerned about

01:03:04.700 being too loud about it, because

01:03:06.580 if this deep state would hold up

01:03:08.340 the approval, and they did, by

01:03:10.080 the way, they put us into

01:03:11.140 complete response later, I got

01:03:12.820 a thousand requests for

01:03:14.120 information.

01:03:14.920 The most, my submission was

01:03:16.840 close to 700,000 pages in

01:03:21.200 order to get this thing

01:03:21.840 through.

01:03:23.640 700,000?

01:03:25.600 It's like the U.S.

01:03:26.620 tax code.

01:03:27.280 This drug has been in trials

01:03:29.220 now for eight years.

01:03:31.320 2015.

01:03:32.500 How long was the Pfizer mRNA

01:03:34.280 COVID vaccine in trials?

01:03:35.740 Months.

01:03:36.400 A month.

01:03:37.100 Not even.

01:03:38.220 So, that's why I'm trying to

01:03:39.660 say, you know this, when you...

01:03:41.700 I know it's what I'm taking.

01:03:43.260 You know, when you were talking

01:03:44.000 about the user fees, so we

01:03:47.640 thought that the user fees was

01:03:49.060 going to accelerate the approval

01:03:50.940 where the FDA gets user fees

01:03:52.600 from the farmer, it turns out

01:03:55.140 that the big pharma user fees

01:03:58.720 are so large, it pays for the

01:04:00.640 salary for all these reviewers.

01:04:03.540 So, now the biotech companies,

01:04:05.340 the young biotech companies are

01:04:06.660 throttled.

01:04:07.160 So, the big pharma that does

01:04:11.180 this incremental little dots that

01:04:15.340 just follow the revenue, this

01:04:17.260 checkpoints, multi-billion dollar

01:04:19.400 Merck's, what, 20 billion, 30

01:04:21.200 billion on revenue, Bristol

01:04:22.740 Mice follows it, AstraZeneca

01:04:24.320 follows it, Roche follows it.

01:04:26.740 There's no...

01:04:27.840 They're all the same, but it's all

01:04:29.960 about incremental sameness and

01:04:32.920 follow the dollar.

01:04:34.180 But the innovation is really at

01:04:35.900 this young biotech companies

01:04:37.340 that are throttled.

01:04:39.680 This is what needs to be changed

01:04:41.060 by the FDA today.

01:04:42.280 They need a complete revamp

01:04:44.020 where people with skill sets

01:04:46.300 and the skill sets of the

01:04:49.620 modern science, not the old

01:04:51.900 drugs, have to be in place

01:04:54.800 to understand what's at stake

01:04:57.500 here.

01:04:58.000 Time for another True Life Alp

01:04:59.460 story.

01:04:59.840 I got a call from a friend of

01:05:00.800 mine yesterday, honestly, true

01:05:02.400 story, who said his girlfriend

01:05:04.140 had just broken up with him over

01:05:05.860 Alp.

01:05:06.660 He wouldn't stop.

01:05:07.680 And I thought to myself,

01:05:08.300 that's kind of sad.

01:05:08.920 And he said, no, it's not sad.

01:05:11.380 Imagine if I'd married her.

01:05:14.140 Now I know.

01:05:15.180 I was saved.

01:05:16.560 Then the next day, this same

01:05:18.160 friend is driving at twice the

01:05:19.640 speed limit through a major

01:05:20.480 American city, pulled over by a

01:05:21.780 cop in a speed trap.

01:05:22.860 Cop takes his license

01:05:23.780 registration, goes back to the

01:05:24.900 patrol car, runs him, comes

01:05:26.120 back, looks in the window and

01:05:27.260 sees a tin of Alp on the

01:05:28.760 dashboard.

01:05:29.620 Pauses.

01:05:30.840 Stunned.

01:05:31.300 Says to my friend, you use Alp?

01:05:33.420 Yeah, I do.

01:05:34.180 Says my friend.

01:05:34.860 So do I, says the cop.

01:05:35.840 We all do.

01:05:36.840 He looks at my friend

01:05:37.560 thoughtfully and goes, drive

01:05:38.920 safely, sir, and hands back his

01:05:40.220 license and registration.

01:05:41.180 No ticket.

01:05:42.940 So in two days, he's saved from a

01:05:44.940 tragic marriage to a girl who

01:05:46.260 doesn't like Alp and a speeding

01:05:48.200 ticket.

01:05:48.820 All true.

01:05:49.860 It's more than a nicotine.

01:05:50.980 In an age of 350 million people

01:05:54.580 are guessing there are about

01:05:55.320 350 million Alp stories.

01:05:57.100 Email us yours.

01:05:59.060 We want to know and read it on

01:06:00.800 the air.

01:06:01.080 Email tellall at alppouch.com.

01:06:04.400 Tellall at alppouch.com.

01:06:07.120 Give us your Alp story.

01:06:13.700 Well, you have to take the

01:06:14.620 conflicts out, too.

01:06:15.760 I mean, if a reviewer is paid by

01:06:17.600 the company whose drugs he's

01:06:18.820 reviewing, that's like such an

01:06:21.100 obvious conflict in no other

01:06:22.420 world would that be acceptable.

01:06:24.640 Not only wouldn't be acceptable

01:06:26.160 if then that reviewer has also

01:06:29.060 the role to block an innovator.

01:06:32.180 It gets worse.

01:06:33.260 Again, this just seems like crime

01:06:34.720 to me.

01:06:35.480 Yeah.

01:06:36.920 I mean, I don't know if this were

01:06:38.540 going on in another country

01:06:40.040 outside the United States.

01:06:42.160 And I'm an American, so I give

01:06:43.880 the United States every benefit of

01:06:45.180 every doubt.

01:06:45.580 It takes me forever to realize

01:06:46.780 something's corrupt because it's

01:06:47.880 America.

01:06:48.240 It's not corrupt.

01:06:48.820 But if this were happening, I

01:06:50.800 don't just name the country, China,

01:06:53.360 South Africa, you know, I'd be

01:06:55.280 like, well, that's the most corrupt

01:06:56.340 thing I've ever heard.

01:06:57.420 Well, that's exactly the fear I

01:06:58.660 have now.

01:06:59.640 The Chinese don't have this

01:07:01.280 restriction.

01:07:03.280 And their innovation is now

01:07:05.060 outstripping us.

01:07:06.820 Think about that.

01:07:08.180 I've always said America's lead

01:07:11.040 in health care and biomedical

01:07:13.800 innovation is the best in the

01:07:16.560 world.

01:07:16.900 And if we could use biomedical

01:07:19.280 innovation as foreign policy for

01:07:22.220 Africa and to Asia and to India

01:07:24.460 to bring that to the rest of the

01:07:26.700 world, that's how we lead.

01:07:29.160 I now read the papers and the

01:07:32.160 Chinese science is now outstripping

01:07:34.720 us.

01:07:35.440 Look what happened to AstraZeneca just

01:07:37.380 last week.

01:07:37.900 They just spent two billion dollars

01:07:40.020 investing in China now.

01:07:42.220 That's a tragedy for us.

01:07:43.840 Not for manufacturing?

01:07:45.520 For innovation.

01:07:47.320 Oh, so that's not good.

01:07:48.500 Not good.

01:07:49.720 Because the idea was we offshore all the

01:07:51.340 manufacturing, but we, the ideas

01:07:52.920 generate here.

01:07:54.220 So AstraZeneca's the English company.

01:07:55.900 So what's, what I'm saying is the

01:08:00.220 fundamental problem I think lies at

01:08:02.300 the FDA and even the NIH.

01:08:05.680 So the change that Bobby's bringing

01:08:07.700 in with Jay now being head of NIH and

01:08:09.860 Marty being head of FDA and Bobby

01:08:11.920 himself having the courage to stand

01:08:14.080 up to talk both against the food

01:08:16.260 industrial complex and the pharma

01:08:17.540 complex, take on the mercs of the world

01:08:21.220 and the phasers of the world.

01:08:24.980 I think we have maybe an opportunity

01:08:28.680 of what I call a period of

01:08:29.680 enlightenment.

01:08:31.180 And I really, I'm all about

01:08:32.500 enlightenment.

01:08:34.220 And if you can look at this Sanjay

01:08:35.660 piece, we are there now.

01:08:37.320 So I want to actually send out.

01:08:38.620 Can you guys stop and ask a question

01:08:39.720 though?

01:08:40.040 So your position is that cancer, but

01:08:43.620 not just cancer, all kinds of

01:08:46.040 illnesses are caused by weakened

01:08:49.080 immune system and inflammation.

01:08:51.220 It's all about the immune system.

01:08:53.100 Your body functions, you live or you

01:08:55.460 die by the immune system.

01:08:57.620 The senescent cells aging is the

01:09:00.600 immune system.

01:09:02.980 The cells in your body that allow you

01:09:06.280 to go to a hundred years old, 120

01:09:07.940 years old is based on the activity

01:09:12.080 and the function of the immune system

01:09:14.220 because the immune system, what's

01:09:15.540 regulating your healthy cells.

01:09:17.720 Can we just go through, I know this

01:09:19.200 is not like patentable, this is not

01:09:21.860 your business, but it's, what are

01:09:24.440 some of the obvious things a person

01:09:26.780 can do to strengthen his immune system?

01:09:29.820 So you ask what activates the natural

01:09:32.520 killer cell?

01:09:33.360 So it's like, you know, when you look

01:09:37.700 at the leaf and you talk about

01:09:38.600 apoptosis and the leaf actually sits

01:09:40.440 and it goes brown and it changes

01:09:43.140 but then it goes back up.

01:09:45.220 So all of human nature, all of nature

01:09:49.560 is filled with this biology of this balance.

01:09:52.980 So you have, you're a product of nature.

01:09:56.320 I mean, literally you're a product of

01:09:58.140 when you were a tadpole and a fish

01:10:00.880 as we came out.

01:10:02.280 So this cell is evolved since the Cambrian age.

01:10:07.740 Think about that.

01:10:09.020 This cell, this natural killer cell in your body.

01:10:12.060 I published my first article in

01:10:13.860 natural killer cell in 1990.

01:10:16.220 That's, this cell was only discovered in 1970s.

01:10:19.760 Think about that.

01:10:21.820 And we've ignored that cell.

01:10:23.560 This is what I call the missing link.

01:10:25.140 I'm going to announce that

01:10:27.940 at the American Urology Conference

01:10:31.360 in Las Vegas in the end of this month.

01:10:35.020 We have discovered,

01:10:36.320 I've not discovered the missing link,

01:10:38.220 we've discovered the awareness

01:10:39.600 of this missing link

01:10:40.760 and how to activate this missing link.

01:10:43.040 So the idea is to activate

01:10:45.100 the natural killer cell.

01:10:46.980 It has 30,000 receptors on this cell.

01:10:50.880 What this natural killer cell does,

01:10:52.860 is it replenishes itself with sleep.

01:10:56.520 So sleep is important.

01:10:58.620 It replenishes itself with light,

01:11:01.400 with sunlight.

01:11:03.200 And I believe there's a certain wavelength,

01:11:05.360 the red wavelength in the sunlight

01:11:07.400 that it actually requires

01:11:09.200 for it to be stimulated.

01:11:12.080 So.

01:11:12.860 This is why people get sicker in the winter.

01:11:14.760 Exactly.

01:11:15.280 That's why Seattle has the highest suicide rate.

01:11:19.320 Think about that, right?

01:11:20.720 So these things,

01:11:22.220 and if you look at the places like

01:11:24.500 Norway and Sweden

01:11:26.840 where there's a very little sun.

01:11:30.600 Finland.

01:11:32.800 So.

01:11:35.360 Nature's all about light.

01:11:37.960 Sunlight.

01:11:39.200 So that's why I think this is.

01:11:42.380 I like obvious observation.

01:11:43.900 Nations, nature's all about sunlight.

01:11:45.800 Of course.

01:11:46.520 Plants don't grow without sunlight.

01:11:47.720 Right.

01:11:47.860 And at the end of the day,

01:11:50.960 we're either about neutrons,

01:11:53.520 photons, and electrons.

01:11:54.480 That's what we are.

01:11:55.700 We as a human being,

01:11:56.800 it's nothing else but a battery and end gate.

01:12:00.060 When you think about that.

01:12:01.620 Right.

01:12:01.960 So we have a bunch of electrons and neutrons

01:12:04.220 and charges that floating through us

01:12:05.760 that actually interact.

01:12:08.400 And that's how I think of the human body.

01:12:10.180 That's what I said.

01:12:10.640 I think of it as an astrophysicist.

01:12:12.620 It's crazy,

01:12:13.160 but that's how my mind works.

01:12:16.300 So sleep,

01:12:17.860 getting sunlight.

01:12:18.860 And having food

01:12:21.100 that doesn't immunosuppress.

01:12:22.840 Your biome,

01:12:24.560 the bacteria in your body

01:12:26.220 sends out materials

01:12:29.000 that actually will immunosuppress

01:12:31.280 or activate.

01:12:32.460 What are the immunosuppressive foods?

01:12:36.920 Unfortunately,

01:12:37.760 I think most natural foods are fine.

01:12:40.500 It's the toxins in the food.

01:12:41.840 Exactly what I said,

01:12:42.860 the excipients.

01:12:44.100 So when you talk about the red dye,

01:12:45.740 the processed foods,

01:12:46.760 all this unnatural processed stuff

01:12:49.660 ultimately cause inflammation.

01:12:53.300 Now,

01:12:53.920 when it gets back to this plasticity

01:12:56.540 of inflammation,

01:12:59.380 inflammation causes immunosuppression

01:13:01.480 because it causes all these cells

01:13:03.980 to flip

01:13:04.740 from the killer state

01:13:06.700 to the suppressor state.

01:13:08.380 That's why we said

01:13:09.200 we have this dichotomy

01:13:10.880 of is the cat alive,

01:13:12.140 is the cat dead?

01:13:14.020 You see it,

01:13:14.700 you see it too

01:13:15.440 in the elderly.

01:13:16.420 You know,

01:13:16.920 it's why an infection

01:13:17.880 or a,

01:13:18.520 you know,

01:13:18.820 a diabetic foot infection

01:13:20.080 can lead to a systemic infection

01:13:21.540 and kill the person.

01:13:22.680 Correct.

01:13:23.940 Right.

01:13:24.800 That's why,

01:13:25.420 you know,

01:13:25.840 when this guy

01:13:26.620 discovered that

01:13:28.000 H. pylori

01:13:28.900 causes gastric ulcer,

01:13:30.240 they said,

01:13:30.500 you're nuts,

01:13:30.940 it's acid.

01:13:31.660 I remember that.

01:13:32.560 Right.

01:13:32.700 So well.

01:13:33.400 So well.

01:13:34.120 So now when you think about that,

01:13:35.660 so that's what I'm saying,

01:13:36.500 this dogma.

01:13:36.800 But that's a consensus now,

01:13:38.320 right?

01:13:38.680 Acid does not cause ulcers.

01:13:40.700 Well,

01:13:40.980 it's the cause and effect.

01:13:42.080 So H. pylori causes the inflammation

01:13:44.460 and then the acid

01:13:45.620 that's naturally in your stomach

01:13:46.960 activates it.

01:13:48.320 But it's not the core cause.

01:13:49.520 Correct.

01:13:49.840 Correct.

01:13:50.060 But it's all about dogma.

01:13:51.880 That's why I call this a vaccine,

01:13:53.280 but it's a bio shield.

01:13:55.780 So.

01:13:56.340 So you have to fight dogma.

01:13:57.560 Part of the problem

01:13:58.240 is you're fighting.

01:13:59.740 So I will ask you,

01:14:01.860 I wanted to ask us

01:14:04.080 to do an experiment.

01:14:05.600 I'm all for it.

01:14:07.560 Where we pick up the phone,

01:14:09.540 call any random oncologist,

01:14:11.600 not to shame them,

01:14:13.360 primary care physician,

01:14:14.560 pick up a phone

01:14:15.300 and said,

01:14:16.880 you do a CBC,

01:14:18.080 correct?

01:14:19.020 Yes.

01:14:19.160 Can you define what a CBC is?

01:14:20.660 A complete blood count.

01:14:21.980 Just so you take a blood

01:14:23.000 and you look for.

01:14:24.280 Yeah,

01:14:24.520 the blood screen

01:14:25.040 that everyone gets.

01:14:25.660 Blood screen.

01:14:25.980 Yeah.

01:14:26.520 For whether you're anemic

01:14:27.380 or not anemic.

01:14:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:28.240 People understand that,

01:14:29.420 right?

01:14:29.660 Red blood cells.

01:14:30.760 And you see these red blood cells.

01:14:32.800 And you give chemotherapy

01:14:34.020 and radiation

01:14:35.280 and you ask,

01:14:37.620 what do you look for?

01:14:39.180 Well,

01:14:39.540 we look to see if you're anemic

01:14:40.600 so we can give you

01:14:42.180 this drug

01:14:42.720 that Amgen makes

01:14:43.580 called Epigen.

01:14:45.260 We look to see

01:14:46.020 whether your platelets

01:14:46.660 have gone down

01:14:47.320 so we can give you

01:14:48.360 a platelet transfusion.

01:14:49.800 We look to see

01:14:50.600 whether your neutrophils

01:14:51.720 have gone down

01:14:52.320 so that you don't get

01:14:53.200 an infection

01:14:53.740 called neutropenic fever

01:14:54.800 so we give you

01:14:55.380 this drug

01:14:55.700 Neupogen.

01:14:56.820 Well,

01:14:58.400 the problem is

01:14:59.300 does red blood cells

01:15:00.460 cure cancer?

01:15:01.540 No.

01:15:02.000 Does platelets

01:15:02.480 cure cancer?

01:15:03.140 No.

01:15:03.840 Does neutrophils

01:15:05.140 kill cancer?

01:15:06.000 No.

01:15:06.580 What kills cancer?

01:15:08.700 The natural killer cells

01:15:09.580 and T cells.

01:15:10.160 So in that CBC

01:15:11.000 there's a thing called

01:15:11.900 the lymphocytes,

01:15:13.020 correct?

01:15:13.740 Do you look at that?

01:15:14.680 No.

01:15:16.420 The only cell

01:15:17.620 that is important

01:15:19.100 that kills cancer,

01:15:21.840 99.9%

01:15:23.280 of oncologists

01:15:24.020 will say,

01:15:24.600 we don't pay

01:15:25.820 any attention

01:15:26.240 to that.

01:15:28.720 That is surprising.

01:15:30.420 She's a vocal

01:15:30.640 determined

01:15:31.000 that does he

01:15:31.640 mass backwards?

01:15:33.320 Why?

01:15:35.040 Why?

01:15:35.840 If you're

01:15:36.260 not to,

01:15:37.100 you know,

01:15:37.500 attack oncologists

01:15:38.540 but if you're

01:15:39.180 fighting cancer

01:15:40.240 why do you

01:15:40.760 ignore the one

01:15:41.340 cell that fights

01:15:41.900 cancer?

01:15:43.660 That's the

01:15:44.200 experiment I want

01:15:44.960 us to do.

01:15:48.340 That's a little

01:15:48.980 mysterious.

01:15:49.820 Am I missing

01:15:50.220 something?

01:15:52.940 That's

01:15:53.340 exactly.

01:15:55.780 That's the

01:15:56.400 missing link.

01:15:57.600 The final frontier,

01:15:59.940 the E equals

01:16:00.580 MC squared,

01:16:02.060 the God's

01:16:02.540 equation.

01:16:04.600 That is the

01:16:05.600 key element

01:16:06.140 in your body

01:16:06.760 that we've

01:16:07.180 been missing

01:16:07.620 for 50 years.

01:16:10.680 For 50 years.

01:16:12.900 But,

01:16:13.780 it's even worse

01:16:14.440 than that.

01:16:14.880 those

01:16:19.640 missing link

01:16:21.540 we've

01:16:22.420 actually

01:16:22.640 destroyed

01:16:23.180 with

01:16:23.420 chemotherapy.

01:16:24.600 We've

01:16:25.080 destroyed

01:16:25.420 with

01:16:25.640 radiotherapy

01:16:26.260 and we've

01:16:26.820 destroyed

01:16:27.220 with

01:16:27.420 checkpoint

01:16:27.700 inhibitors.

01:16:28.660 We've

01:16:28.840 destroyed

01:16:29.660 with

01:16:29.920 steroids.

01:16:31.060 Guess

01:16:31.320 what we

01:16:31.580 give to

01:16:31.900 patients?

01:16:33.040 Chemotherapy,

01:16:33.660 radiotherapy,

01:16:34.300 steroids,

01:16:34.720 and checkpoints.

01:16:36.820 Am I

01:16:37.380 missing

01:16:37.620 something?

01:16:38.040 I don't

01:16:40.240 know anything

01:16:40.500 about this.

01:16:41.340 You know,

01:16:41.680 I was a

01:16:42.480 Russian studies

01:16:43.040 major.

01:16:44.280 But,

01:16:44.700 I have

01:16:45.460 no,

01:16:46.020 just because

01:16:46.440 I'm 55,

01:16:47.120 I know a lot

01:16:47.580 of cancer

01:16:47.920 patients,

01:16:48.700 I have

01:16:49.180 always been

01:16:49.900 skeptical that

01:16:50.640 the protocol

01:16:51.080 is effective

01:16:52.000 based on,

01:16:52.820 so what I

01:16:53.240 have noticed

01:16:53.660 is,

01:16:54.740 those therapies

01:16:55.620 seem to beat

01:16:56.660 back the cancer

01:16:57.360 in short term.

01:16:59.360 But then,

01:17:00.240 so often you

01:17:00.940 watch it come

01:17:01.500 roaring back.

01:17:02.960 You know,

01:17:03.160 I'm in remission

01:17:03.820 and then wham,

01:17:05.320 you just get hit

01:17:05.780 by a tidal wave

01:17:06.420 of cancer

01:17:06.820 and eliminated.

01:17:07.700 So if you

01:17:08.160 see my

01:17:08.620 writings,

01:17:09.620 I have

01:17:09.960 written so

01:17:10.480 many times,

01:17:11.160 you win

01:17:11.520 the battle

01:17:11.980 and you

01:17:12.280 lose the

01:17:12.820 war.

01:17:14.040 So this

01:17:14.720 is not,

01:17:15.100 I'm not

01:17:15.340 imagining this

01:17:15.900 phenomenon.

01:17:16.040 You're not

01:17:16.260 imagining it,

01:17:16.960 you win

01:17:17.420 the battle

01:17:17.920 and you

01:17:18.220 lose the

01:17:18.700 war.

01:17:19.060 The reason

01:17:19.460 you win

01:17:19.800 the battle

01:17:20.280 is because

01:17:20.880 you see

01:17:21.140 this little

01:17:21.660 blip

01:17:22.440 of a response

01:17:23.640 with chemotherapy

01:17:24.260 and then

01:17:26.060 the moment

01:17:26.440 you've

01:17:26.780 stopped,

01:17:27.280 or not

01:17:27.580 even,

01:17:27.980 you've

01:17:28.940 actually now

01:17:29.640 killed the

01:17:30.320 cells that

01:17:30.700 are there

01:17:30.980 to protect

01:17:31.440 you,

01:17:31.740 you've

01:17:31.960 upregulated

01:17:32.680 these

01:17:32.960 suppressor

01:17:33.440 cells and

01:17:34.260 you get

01:17:34.480 metastasis

01:17:35.060 and you

01:17:35.360 have to

01:17:37.600 go to

01:17:37.800 hospice.

01:17:39.580 Think about

01:17:40.340 that.

01:17:40.560 That's what

01:17:40.900 we've been

01:17:41.180 doing for

01:17:41.820 50 years.

01:17:43.560 That's the

01:17:44.200 dogma that

01:17:44.700 I'm fighting.

01:17:45.880 So what,

01:17:46.360 okay,

01:17:46.660 so let's

01:17:47.080 just say

01:17:47.680 I leave

01:17:48.760 here and

01:17:49.320 I'm

01:17:49.480 diagnosed

01:17:50.020 with,

01:17:50.680 you know,

01:17:51.040 a serious

01:17:52.080 life-threatening

01:17:52.880 form of

01:17:53.240 cancer.

01:17:53.760 What would

01:17:54.740 you recommend

01:17:55.420 I do

01:17:55.780 next?

01:17:57.400 So this

01:17:58.920 is where

01:17:59.220 you play

01:17:59.540 chess and

01:18:00.620 don't play

01:18:01.020 checkers.

01:18:02.260 This is where

01:18:02.980 you play

01:18:03.260 go where

01:18:05.180 you say,

01:18:06.000 okay,

01:18:06.160 what is

01:18:06.460 the cancer

01:18:06.900 doing first?

01:18:08.320 Well,

01:18:08.620 guess what?

01:18:09.120 The cancer

01:18:09.620 is not

01:18:09.980 stupid,

01:18:10.500 so it's

01:18:10.940 figured out

01:18:11.740 a way to

01:18:12.120 hide from

01:18:12.800 these killer

01:18:13.240 cells.

01:18:16.360 So the

01:18:16.960 first thing

01:18:17.300 you have

01:18:17.560 to do

01:18:17.900 is you

01:18:18.200 have to

01:18:18.480 expose

01:18:19.140 the receptors

01:18:20.460 on the

01:18:20.840 cancers of

01:18:21.340 the killer

01:18:21.620 cells could

01:18:22.080 recognize

01:18:22.580 that.

01:18:24.440 So even

01:18:25.660 in the

01:18:26.420 presence of

01:18:27.600 chemotherapy,

01:18:29.340 you don't

01:18:30.000 use chemotherapy

01:18:30.580 to kill

01:18:31.360 the tumor.

01:18:34.220 You use

01:18:34.920 a tiny

01:18:36.020 dose of

01:18:36.520 chemotherapy

01:18:36.980 just to

01:18:37.560 stress the

01:18:38.400 patient,

01:18:39.080 the cancer,

01:18:40.220 and the

01:18:40.540 cancer says,

01:18:40.960 oh my god,

01:18:41.520 something's

01:18:41.880 coming at

01:18:42.280 me and

01:18:42.620 it starts

01:18:43.020 exposing

01:18:43.620 itself.

01:18:44.620 So you

01:18:45.300 go from

01:18:45.620 hide to

01:18:46.100 expose.

01:18:47.580 So you

01:18:48.060 use the

01:18:48.580 chemotherapy

01:18:49.200 at a low

01:18:50.240 dose called

01:18:50.700 low metronomic

01:18:51.620 dose to

01:18:52.220 use it as

01:18:53.680 what I call

01:18:54.280 an immunomodulator.

01:18:57.220 Importantly,

01:18:57.740 I was

01:18:58.440 asking,

01:18:58.760 you're

01:18:58.940 describing

01:18:59.320 cancer as

01:19:00.260 almost like

01:19:00.900 an autonomous

01:19:01.580 entity that

01:19:03.200 has a goal,

01:19:04.500 a will to

01:19:05.220 destroy the

01:19:05.780 human body.

01:19:06.460 It does.

01:19:07.560 But that's,

01:19:08.340 I mean,

01:19:08.620 you're describing

01:19:09.180 like a...

01:19:10.080 It's a

01:19:10.400 machine.

01:19:11.840 But with

01:19:12.300 intent and

01:19:14.420 kind of clever

01:19:15.340 behavior, it

01:19:16.320 hides?

01:19:16.920 Like what?

01:19:17.500 You're describing

01:19:18.060 like some

01:19:18.460 foreign entity

01:19:20.100 in the body

01:19:20.640 that's trying to

01:19:21.160 kill the body.

01:19:21.780 It is.

01:19:22.760 It's like a

01:19:23.280 virus.

01:19:24.980 But how can

01:19:26.400 a tumor know

01:19:27.100 to hide?

01:19:27.920 Because it

01:19:28.520 has genomic

01:19:29.100 sequencing in

01:19:29.840 there that

01:19:30.140 actually blocks

01:19:30.800 the expression.

01:19:32.820 That just

01:19:33.500 sounds diabolical.

01:19:34.440 It is

01:19:34.780 diabolical.

01:19:36.000 That's why I

01:19:36.820 spent 50

01:19:37.380 years trying

01:19:37.840 to understand.

01:19:39.480 It's not a

01:19:40.300 human brain.

01:19:42.060 It's biology

01:19:43.120 and how

01:19:43.740 biology can

01:19:44.440 mutate and

01:19:45.060 actually,

01:19:45.660 your body is a

01:19:46.560 beautiful thing.

01:19:47.660 It's an

01:19:48.200 exquisite thing.

01:19:49.720 So it

01:19:50.320 has to have

01:19:51.000 this thing

01:19:51.400 called epigenetics.

01:19:52.960 So it

01:19:53.880 has the

01:19:54.480 genomic

01:19:54.860 sequencing that

01:19:55.620 says, I'm

01:19:56.040 not going to

01:19:56.400 express this.

01:19:57.400 So we can

01:19:58.160 now stress

01:19:59.540 that and

01:20:00.120 block the

01:20:01.160 block and

01:20:02.400 it now

01:20:02.760 expresses

01:20:03.200 something on

01:20:04.380 its surface

01:20:04.840 that our T

01:20:05.560 cells can

01:20:05.960 recognize.

01:20:07.340 So that's

01:20:07.780 the first

01:20:08.060 step.

01:20:08.660 Smoke it

01:20:09.120 out.

01:20:09.560 Smoke it

01:20:09.900 out.

01:20:11.160 But your

01:20:11.840 body has

01:20:12.480 mechanisms to

01:20:13.380 smoke it

01:20:13.760 out.

01:20:14.560 It gets

01:20:15.020 even more

01:20:15.600 complicated.

01:20:16.800 Your body

01:20:17.260 has a thing

01:20:17.840 where you can

01:20:18.760 induce what

01:20:19.420 you call

01:20:19.700 damps,

01:20:20.540 which is

01:20:20.940 damage

01:20:21.240 associated

01:20:21.740 molecular

01:20:23.380 patterns,

01:20:23.880 but forget

01:20:24.600 that.

01:20:25.220 It's a way

01:20:25.920 of actually

01:20:26.380 smoking it

01:20:27.000 out so

01:20:27.740 now your

01:20:28.100 T cells can

01:20:28.640 recognize it.

01:20:29.360 Okay, so

01:20:29.640 now you've

01:20:30.160 done step

01:20:30.520 one.

01:20:30.840 That's just

01:20:31.140 step one.

01:20:32.720 That's one

01:20:33.360 molecule.

01:20:34.420 So this is

01:20:34.880 why I think

01:20:35.640 the FDA needs

01:20:36.380 to understand

01:20:37.220 to understand

01:20:37.240 we're fighting

01:20:38.400 a war where

01:20:39.500 you need

01:20:39.820 battlefield

01:20:40.240 awareness

01:20:40.880 all

01:20:41.300 simultaneously,

01:20:42.340 where you

01:20:42.840 have to

01:20:43.120 orchestrate

01:20:43.680 your Marines,

01:20:44.400 your Army,

01:20:44.960 your Navy,

01:20:45.440 your Air Force,

01:20:46.500 all in the

01:20:47.440 right place,

01:20:48.300 so that you

01:20:49.260 can use the

01:20:50.060 tumor in your

01:20:50.760 body to

01:20:52.700 act as the

01:20:53.600 weapon,

01:20:54.440 as the

01:20:54.820 vaccine.

01:20:55.860 Because a

01:20:56.620 tumor has

01:20:58.220 molecules that

01:20:59.100 is foreign to

01:20:59.600 the rest of

01:20:59.940 your body,

01:21:00.560 and if you

01:21:01.180 educate your

01:21:01.800 T cells to

01:21:02.380 recognize those

01:21:03.020 molecules that

01:21:03.780 are foreign to

01:21:04.240 the rest of

01:21:04.520 your body,

01:21:05.420 that T cell

01:21:05.920 can remember.

01:21:07.380 Now you have

01:21:08.100 a memory T cell.

01:21:09.880 So for the

01:21:10.700 first time in

01:21:11.360 2024, in our

01:21:12.520 package insert,

01:21:13.880 we have a

01:21:14.620 molecule called

01:21:15.520 the BioShield

01:21:16.160 now, I'll call

01:21:16.860 it the BioShield,

01:21:18.080 that can activate

01:21:18.920 the natural

01:21:19.420 killer cell,

01:21:20.500 activate the

01:21:21.140 killer T cell,

01:21:22.020 and drive

01:21:22.700 memory T cells.

01:21:24.620 We now have

01:21:25.220 bladder cancer

01:21:25.820 patients who

01:21:26.580 would have lost

01:21:27.220 their bladder in

01:21:28.420 complete remission

01:21:29.280 for nine years

01:21:30.060 and still alive.

01:21:32.460 And so the

01:21:32.920 protocol is,

01:21:33.780 you low

01:21:35.100 dose, you

01:21:35.680 administer low

01:21:36.320 dose chemo to

01:21:37.960 identify where

01:21:38.820 the tumor is.

01:21:39.400 You smoke it

01:21:39.800 out.

01:21:40.100 You smoke it

01:21:40.640 out.

01:21:41.100 But at the

01:21:41.680 same time, you

01:21:43.320 need to have the

01:21:43.960 natural killer

01:21:44.440 cells and T cells

01:21:45.240 ready.

01:21:47.060 So you give

01:21:47.860 them the

01:21:48.280 BioShield that

01:21:49.500 upregulates and

01:21:50.320 stimulates your

01:21:50.880 natural killer

01:21:51.380 cells and T cells.

01:21:52.400 What about

01:21:52.640 radiation?

01:21:53.200 Does that play

01:21:53.540 a role?

01:21:54.800 That'll kill

01:21:55.300 your natural

01:21:55.680 killer cells and

01:21:56.280 T cells.

01:21:56.860 So no.

01:21:58.140 Unless, and

01:21:59.140 this is

01:21:59.460 unless, today

01:22:01.380 the radiation is

01:22:02.320 what they call

01:22:02.760 70 gigabits,

01:22:04.100 huge doses.

01:22:07.000 Unless you

01:22:07.640 give a tiny

01:22:08.540 little dose just

01:22:09.560 to the tumor,

01:22:10.620 no way else,

01:22:11.580 to smoke it

01:22:12.180 out.

01:22:12.860 So you use

01:22:13.500 radiation in a

01:22:14.400 very different

01:22:14.880 way called

01:22:15.340 SBRT, a low

01:22:17.580 dose.

01:22:18.080 To identify

01:22:18.680 rather than

01:22:19.360 destroy.

01:22:20.080 To expose

01:22:21.020 rather than

01:22:21.620 expose.

01:22:22.000 So the

01:22:23.200 algorithm is

01:22:24.220 expose, from

01:22:25.760 hide to

01:22:26.260 expose.

01:22:27.740 The next

01:22:28.200 algorithm is

01:22:29.160 activate and

01:22:29.900 proliferate your

01:22:30.620 NK cells.

01:22:31.940 And that's

01:22:32.220 what the

01:22:32.500 subcutaneous

01:22:33.140 injection.

01:22:33.780 The next

01:22:34.160 algorithm is

01:22:35.100 to educate

01:22:36.160 your T cells

01:22:36.940 with a

01:22:37.340 vaccine that

01:22:38.580 you anticipate

01:22:39.280 that it's

01:22:39.920 going to be

01:22:40.360 exposed.

01:22:41.560 So you now

01:22:42.440 have educated

01:22:43.200 T cells

01:22:43.920 ready.

01:22:45.480 So you've

01:22:46.160 got educated

01:22:46.660 T cells,

01:22:47.300 you've got

01:22:47.660 NK cells.

01:22:49.960 And the

01:22:50.280 next thing is

01:22:50.900 to activate

01:22:51.960 your macrophages

01:22:52.920 so they

01:22:53.860 become killer

01:22:54.640 macrophages.

01:22:55.900 And the

01:22:56.500 next step is

01:22:57.080 to suppress

01:22:57.740 the suppressors.

01:22:59.560 You do

01:23:00.200 that all

01:23:00.580 simultaneously.

01:23:02.160 How much

01:23:02.360 human suffering

01:23:02.940 is involved

01:23:03.540 in this?

01:23:03.940 There's a lot

01:23:04.600 in a conventional

01:23:05.340 course of

01:23:05.940 cancer therapy.

01:23:06.860 All as an

01:23:07.540 outpatient.

01:23:08.640 We've done

01:23:09.080 hundreds of

01:23:10.120 patients now.

01:23:11.120 So you're

01:23:11.520 not, so

01:23:12.280 someone taking

01:23:12.940 this course

01:23:13.700 is not going

01:23:14.620 to, is he

01:23:15.420 going to lose

01:23:15.720 his hair,

01:23:16.600 throw up all

01:23:17.080 as an

01:23:17.500 outpatient.

01:23:21.180 What's even

01:23:21.840 more exciting.

01:23:22.780 Because that

01:23:23.100 matters for

01:23:23.720 cancer patients.

01:23:24.540 I mean, it's

01:23:24.740 hard to be a

01:23:25.220 cancer patient.

01:23:25.980 It's horrible.

01:23:26.860 Yeah, but

01:23:28.420 we're now seeing

01:23:29.100 patients now in

01:23:29.720 complete remission.

01:23:31.140 More importantly,

01:23:32.000 I want to

01:23:32.340 treat patients

01:23:32.980 before they

01:23:34.160 need surgery.

01:23:35.740 So I can

01:23:36.500 use the

01:23:37.040 tumor itself

01:23:37.880 in the

01:23:38.400 body as

01:23:39.800 the vaccine

01:23:40.440 to educate

01:23:42.000 the body

01:23:42.520 and the

01:23:42.800 T cells

01:23:43.340 all about

01:23:45.080 that tumor.

01:23:45.580 What's even

01:23:48.520 more exciting

01:23:48.940 now, we

01:23:49.600 can take

01:23:49.920 blood from

01:23:50.340 you, one

01:23:51.320 pint, and

01:23:53.900 extract the

01:23:54.480 natural killer

01:23:54.960 cell in the

01:23:55.520 T cell and

01:23:56.680 grow billions

01:23:57.420 and store

01:23:59.440 it in

01:24:00.020 cryopreservation

01:24:00.760 just like

01:24:01.800 you do

01:24:02.780 I don't

01:24:04.500 know,

01:24:05.000 from

01:24:06.760 cord blood.

01:24:08.280 We now

01:24:08.980 have the

01:24:09.320 ability to

01:24:10.660 grow these

01:24:11.300 natural killer

01:24:11.880 cells and give

01:24:12.760 it to anybody.

01:24:13.300 So I

01:24:15.320 wish that

01:24:15.720 for the

01:24:15.980 first time

01:24:16.440 we could

01:24:16.740 become the

01:24:17.200 American Red

01:24:17.800 Cross of

01:24:18.260 cancer, our

01:24:19.880 country, and

01:24:22.300 use these

01:24:23.080 innovations as

01:24:24.760 foreign policy.

01:24:26.100 So could,

01:24:27.000 looking back,

01:24:29.660 do you think it

01:24:30.160 was unwise to

01:24:31.580 require the

01:24:32.280 population to

01:24:33.060 get the

01:24:33.580 Pfizer and

01:24:34.180 Moderna

01:24:34.580 vaccine?

01:24:35.580 it depends

01:24:39.280 on the

01:24:39.900 time.

01:24:42.020 I think it's

01:24:42.760 unwise to

01:24:43.360 keep on giving

01:24:43.800 this nonsense.

01:24:45.140 I shouldn't

01:24:45.600 say that.

01:24:46.080 I should be

01:24:46.540 careful when I

01:24:48.320 call it

01:24:48.640 nonsense.

01:24:49.420 The idea of

01:24:50.200 getting an

01:24:50.640 antibody vaccine

01:24:51.440 and then

01:24:51.800 creating another

01:24:52.300 antibody vaccine

01:24:53.060 and another

01:24:53.460 antibody vaccine

01:24:54.220 that chases

01:24:55.120 your tail.

01:24:57.320 I don't know

01:24:58.060 what that's

01:24:58.460 doing, those

01:24:59.240 spike proteins.

01:25:02.260 It's not

01:25:02.900 ridding your

01:25:03.360 body of COVID

01:25:04.020 though.

01:25:04.320 Is it

01:25:06.680 creating even

01:25:08.100 more variants

01:25:08.880 in your body?

01:25:09.580 I don't know.

01:25:10.900 Is that

01:25:11.200 possible?

01:25:14.080 I see

01:25:15.280 the idea

01:25:16.580 and I'm

01:25:17.420 such a

01:25:17.800 scientist, I

01:25:18.300 need to

01:25:18.620 actually go

01:25:19.120 and actually

01:25:19.540 pull out

01:25:20.100 these variants

01:25:20.660 and sequencing

01:25:21.400 them.

01:25:22.320 That's what

01:25:22.620 we're doing

01:25:22.900 now.

01:25:23.220 Is it

01:25:23.240 theoretically

01:25:23.580 possible?

01:25:23.960 It's

01:25:24.140 theoretically

01:25:24.580 possible.

01:25:25.780 Could there

01:25:26.200 be any

01:25:27.240 change to

01:25:27.940 a person's

01:25:28.440 DNA from

01:25:29.100 taking this?

01:25:29.500 Well, that's

01:25:29.780 what this

01:25:30.080 does.

01:25:32.260 It's what

01:25:32.900 the mRNA

01:25:33.240 vaccines do.

01:25:33.920 Correct.

01:25:34.140 It converts

01:25:34.680 into DNA

01:25:35.320 and it

01:25:35.700 converts

01:25:36.020 into replicating

01:25:37.060 and that's

01:25:37.520 what it

01:25:37.760 does and

01:25:38.120 it replicates

01:25:39.020 an RNA

01:25:40.260 virus.

01:25:40.920 It becomes

01:25:41.300 the virus.

01:25:42.240 As someone

01:25:42.500 who's clearly

01:25:42.920 you've made

01:25:43.200 reference to it

01:25:43.640 a couple

01:25:43.800 times,

01:25:44.100 interested in

01:25:44.560 evolution,

01:25:45.580 to change

01:25:48.220 the DNA

01:25:49.380 of a

01:25:49.740 species is

01:25:50.600 to change

01:25:51.040 the species

01:25:51.520 over time.

01:25:52.380 No, I

01:25:52.740 don't think

01:25:53.020 it integrates.

01:25:54.280 My concern

01:25:55.100 is that

01:25:55.440 this virus

01:25:56.940 is all

01:25:57.300 about

01:25:57.540 itself.

01:25:59.800 Very

01:26:00.280 selfish

01:26:00.600 virus.

01:26:01.120 selfish

01:26:01.620 virus.

01:26:02.040 In fact,

01:26:02.440 the fact

01:26:02.760 that it's

01:26:03.060 now less

01:26:04.960 deadly is

01:26:06.400 in the

01:26:06.700 virus's

01:26:07.120 interest.

01:26:07.960 The virus

01:26:08.280 doesn't want

01:26:08.660 to kill

01:26:08.920 you because

01:26:09.200 you are

01:26:09.460 the incubator.

01:26:11.660 Think about

01:26:12.360 that.

01:26:13.660 The virus

01:26:14.260 wants you

01:26:14.600 alive.

01:26:14.980 You're

01:26:18.620 speaking in

01:26:19.100 a way that

01:26:19.440 suggests intent

01:26:20.460 and forethought.

01:26:22.120 It's

01:26:22.600 biology.

01:26:23.520 It's

01:26:23.600 evolution.

01:26:24.180 Everything

01:26:24.440 is evolution.

01:26:26.080 It was

01:26:26.500 the intent

01:26:27.020 to go

01:26:27.360 from a

01:26:27.720 tadpole

01:26:28.080 to a

01:26:29.540 human

01:26:29.740 being.

01:26:30.580 I don't

01:26:30.820 know,

01:26:31.120 but to

01:26:31.680 consider the

01:26:32.680 possibility

01:26:33.060 you have

01:26:33.300 something,

01:26:33.780 or the

01:26:34.060 certainty

01:26:34.360 that you

01:26:34.620 have

01:26:34.700 something

01:26:34.980 within

01:26:35.220 your

01:26:35.520 body

01:26:35.860 that

01:26:36.060 is

01:26:36.200 acting

01:26:36.540 against

01:26:36.960 your

01:26:37.220 body's

01:26:37.620 interest

01:26:37.960 on

01:26:38.220 purpose.

01:26:39.340 Yeah,

01:26:39.500 because it

01:26:39.920 needs you

01:26:40.460 to be

01:26:40.960 the

01:26:41.140 incubator.

01:26:41.560 So,

01:26:41.840 you know,

01:26:42.020 the

01:26:42.980 veracity

01:26:45.040 when it

01:26:49.360 was so

01:26:50.300 man-made.

01:26:52.120 So,

01:26:52.320 you know,

01:26:52.540 viral evolution,

01:26:53.640 when it

01:26:53.880 would be

01:26:54.200 called

01:26:54.380 affinity

01:26:56.460 maturation,

01:26:58.080 it

01:26:58.320 matures

01:26:58.760 itself so

01:27:00.120 that it

01:27:00.400 can be

01:27:00.680 more

01:27:01.000 infective.

01:27:01.600 That's

01:27:01.800 one thing

01:27:02.460 it tries

01:27:02.940 to do

01:27:03.360 as a

01:27:03.660 virus.

01:27:04.060 I mean,

01:27:04.480 these

01:27:04.960 viruses

01:27:05.460 are

01:27:06.740 living

01:27:08.000 organisms.

01:27:10.860 And when

01:27:11.540 you say

01:27:11.700 living,

01:27:12.020 they don't

01:27:12.240 have

01:27:12.380 brains

01:27:12.760 or

01:27:12.880 anything

01:27:13.040 else,

01:27:13.360 but they

01:27:13.660 have

01:27:14.340 machinery

01:27:15.300 that

01:27:17.200 is very

01:27:17.940 sophisticated.

01:27:19.020 They have

01:27:19.120 what they

01:27:19.340 call promoters

01:27:19.960 and etc.

01:27:20.780 Why would

01:27:21.200 you make

01:27:21.560 something like

01:27:22.100 that on

01:27:22.400 purpose?

01:27:23.160 Well,

01:27:23.440 there are

01:27:24.220 viruses in

01:27:25.040 nature,

01:27:25.860 which theoretically

01:27:27.200 will go

01:27:28.940 through what

01:27:29.280 you call

01:27:29.520 maturation

01:27:30.160 that normally

01:27:31.240 do not

01:27:32.000 infect you.

01:27:33.360 They're

01:27:33.600 not

01:27:33.840 species,

01:27:34.740 they're

01:27:34.940 species

01:27:35.200 specific.

01:27:35.740 Exactly.

01:27:37.180 But why

01:27:37.880 would you

01:27:38.240 then change

01:27:38.860 that?

01:27:40.520 And that's

01:27:40.900 what this,

01:27:41.480 gain-of-function

01:27:42.760 study was

01:27:43.480 so dangerous.

01:27:44.720 That's why

01:27:45.100 it was

01:27:45.300 prohibited.

01:27:45.960 It's so

01:27:46.440 self-evidently

01:27:47.580 evil to

01:27:49.140 even play

01:27:49.820 with something

01:27:50.240 like that

01:27:50.800 with the

01:27:51.280 potential

01:27:51.620 consequences

01:27:52.240 which we're

01:27:52.600 now seeing,

01:27:53.820 13-year-olds

01:27:54.480 getting pancreatic

01:27:55.200 cancer.

01:27:56.260 How could

01:27:57.320 anyone do

01:27:57.920 that?

01:27:58.280 And why

01:27:58.520 aren't those

01:27:58.780 people in

01:27:59.160 prison?

01:28:00.220 Well,

01:28:00.440 it was

01:28:00.620 banned,

01:28:01.160 right?

01:28:01.660 It was

01:28:01.840 banned in

01:28:02.140 the United

01:28:02.360 States.

01:28:02.860 Yeah.

01:28:03.420 Hence the

01:28:03.880 Wuhan lab

01:28:04.460 partnership.

01:28:05.080 Well,

01:28:05.360 so we

01:28:05.760 subverted it.

01:28:06.540 Now you

01:28:06.900 talk about

01:28:07.440 why so few

01:28:08.960 people could

01:28:09.460 harm so

01:28:10.240 many.

01:28:12.980 How they

01:28:13.560 got around

01:28:13.960 that is for

01:28:15.540 the investigators

01:28:16.180 to find out.

01:28:16.720 But I mean,

01:28:17.140 you're someone

01:28:17.880 who's created

01:28:18.820 cancer drugs,

01:28:20.060 who spent a lot

01:28:20.540 of his life

01:28:21.020 in a lab.

01:28:23.280 That's why

01:28:23.800 you're a

01:28:24.020 billionaire.

01:28:25.300 So you know

01:28:26.020 a lot about

01:28:26.620 this topic,

01:28:27.200 obviously.

01:28:28.300 And it's

01:28:28.720 clear to you

01:28:29.840 that that's

01:28:30.580 just too

01:28:30.920 dangerous to

01:28:31.400 be doing

01:28:31.680 that,

01:28:31.940 right?

01:28:32.280 Yes.

01:28:32.840 To take

01:28:33.160 animal viruses

01:28:33.880 and make

01:28:34.280 them...

01:28:34.520 You can't

01:28:34.840 control it.

01:28:36.180 Because you've

01:28:36.980 done affinity

01:28:38.300 maturation that

01:28:39.140 would have

01:28:39.660 taken tens

01:28:42.180 of maybe

01:28:42.940 millions of

01:28:43.480 years.

01:28:45.340 In that

01:28:45.940 fusion protein,

01:28:46.940 they created

01:28:47.340 this fusion

01:28:47.800 protein and

01:28:48.360 created...

01:28:48.720 And then they

01:28:49.700 created this

01:28:50.140 vaccine.

01:28:51.100 I think

01:28:51.500 Bonnie Graham

01:28:52.360 was the part

01:28:53.560 with Collins

01:28:54.060 and everything

01:28:54.520 else that

01:28:55.400 was so proud

01:28:56.060 to create

01:28:57.060 this RBD

01:28:57.740 and make

01:28:58.060 it stable.

01:28:59.260 Think about

01:28:59.900 it.

01:29:00.840 The spearhead,

01:29:01.640 the tip of

01:29:02.040 the spear that

01:29:02.580 goes into

01:29:02.980 your cell,

01:29:03.340 we're going

01:29:03.540 to make

01:29:03.760 it stable.

01:29:04.520 That's why

01:29:06.420 this vaccine

01:29:06.960 was pre-produced.

01:29:08.140 This was the

01:29:08.560 mRNA vaccine

01:29:09.360 was produced.

01:29:12.340 So you've

01:29:13.260 taken a

01:29:14.620 virus that

01:29:16.940 has now

01:29:17.340 gone from

01:29:17.960 bats to

01:29:18.480 man only

01:29:19.180 because I

01:29:20.440 think this

01:29:20.820 can't function

01:29:21.360 work.

01:29:22.660 You then

01:29:23.100 create a

01:29:23.600 vaccine by

01:29:24.220 taking the

01:29:24.780 spearhead of

01:29:25.380 this virus

01:29:25.940 that is now

01:29:27.080 being created

01:29:28.420 to get into

01:29:29.500 you and

01:29:30.720 make the

01:29:31.100 spearhead even

01:29:31.740 more stable

01:29:32.280 and put it

01:29:33.120 on the

01:29:33.300 vaccine and

01:29:33.800 says,

01:29:34.060 here we go.

01:29:34.520 This seems

01:29:35.180 super crazy.

01:29:35.860 So just

01:29:36.240 from the

01:29:37.120 perspective

01:29:37.740 of a

01:29:38.320 layman

01:29:39.080 again,

01:29:40.140 if I've

01:29:40.560 never had

01:29:41.000 COVID

01:29:41.300 and I

01:29:42.780 get the

01:29:43.980 Pfizer

01:29:46.000 vaccine,

01:29:46.580 mRNA

01:29:46.940 vaccine,

01:29:48.420 if I got

01:29:49.060 it three

01:29:49.440 years ago,

01:29:49.960 can you

01:29:50.240 detect

01:29:50.500 COVID in

01:29:50.920 my body

01:29:51.280 now?

01:29:53.140 Possibly.

01:29:54.260 See,

01:29:54.780 that's just

01:29:55.820 crazy town.

01:29:56.500 Look,

01:29:56.720 I know

01:29:57.160 I won't

01:29:59.480 name her,

01:30:01.280 but she

01:30:02.140 was a

01:30:04.660 very senior

01:30:05.060 person at

01:30:05.540 the FDA

01:30:06.020 and she

01:30:07.860 just got

01:30:08.200 the vaccine,

01:30:08.700 that's it.

01:30:09.480 And within

01:30:09.920 weeks,

01:30:11.100 she got

01:30:11.600 brain fog,

01:30:13.260 loss of

01:30:13.660 memory.

01:30:13.940 So there's

01:30:17.100 clear evidence

01:30:17.980 that sometimes

01:30:20.660 the vaccine

01:30:21.220 is the

01:30:22.260 cause,

01:30:22.540 and sometimes

01:30:22.840 the virus

01:30:23.740 is the

01:30:24.100 cause.

01:30:24.340 So that's

01:30:24.660 what I'm

01:30:24.820 saying.

01:30:25.220 It's not

01:30:26.140 mutually exclusive.

01:30:27.660 I understand.

01:30:28.620 But it's all

01:30:29.780 about the

01:30:30.140 spike.

01:30:31.320 But the

01:30:32.280 idea that

01:30:33.080 you would

01:30:33.460 be introducing

01:30:34.800 the COVID

01:30:35.660 virus into

01:30:36.820 a body that

01:30:37.680 was not

01:30:37.980 infected by

01:30:38.620 the COVID

01:30:38.980 virus is

01:30:39.580 like...

01:30:40.400 You went

01:30:41.440 after the

01:30:41.800 wrong protein,

01:30:42.840 basically.

01:30:43.960 I've been

01:30:44.580 begging them

01:30:45.220 to go after

01:30:45.740 the nucleocapsid

01:30:46.580 protein because

01:30:47.340 the nucleocapsid

01:30:48.180 protein,

01:30:48.540 which is in

01:30:48.840 the core

01:30:49.320 of the virus,

01:30:51.460 is not the

01:30:52.160 tip of the

01:30:52.680 spear.

01:30:53.180 And if you

01:30:53.820 have a T-cell,

01:30:54.600 it lasts for

01:30:55.200 17 years.

01:30:56.060 We know that

01:30:56.520 from previous

01:30:57.080 COVID infections.

01:30:58.880 Yes.

01:30:59.860 But they

01:31:00.220 refuse to do

01:31:00.840 it.

01:31:02.400 This seems

01:31:03.120 like a human

01:31:03.940 tragedy at

01:31:04.820 like an

01:31:05.420 unimaginable

01:31:06.140 scale.

01:31:06.840 Completely.

01:31:07.300 It devastates

01:31:08.200 me.

01:31:11.520 Well,

01:31:12.000 that's

01:31:12.220 incredibly

01:31:12.700 bracing.

01:31:13.800 And I

01:31:14.540 think you're

01:31:14.980 one of the

01:31:15.380 very few

01:31:15.860 people I've

01:31:16.280 ever met

01:31:16.620 who has

01:31:16.980 the absolute

01:31:17.520 authority to

01:31:18.040 speak on

01:31:18.360 this.

01:31:19.640 And yet

01:31:20.360 you've

01:31:21.520 not been

01:31:23.280 encouraged to

01:31:23.680 speak about

01:31:24.060 it, it

01:31:24.300 sounds like.

01:31:25.780 I've not

01:31:26.140 been what?

01:31:26.540 Encouraged

01:31:27.360 to speak

01:31:28.020 about it.

01:31:29.620 Yeah,

01:31:30.000 because I'm

01:31:31.820 not a

01:31:32.100 political

01:31:32.380 person and

01:31:34.120 I have this

01:31:34.540 bigger picture

01:31:35.140 that we

01:31:36.040 have to

01:31:36.720 find a

01:31:37.520 solution,

01:31:38.480 not just

01:31:38.760 for COVID,

01:31:39.220 but for

01:31:39.540 cancer.

01:31:40.600 And the

01:31:41.320 irony is this

01:31:42.160 BioShield works

01:31:42.840 for both.

01:31:44.900 And the

01:31:45.140 only chance...

01:31:45.880 Because they're

01:31:46.060 connected, it

01:31:46.680 sounds like.

01:31:47.320 Completely

01:31:47.880 connected.

01:31:48.640 And the

01:31:49.020 only chance

01:31:49.840 we have

01:31:50.520 now, because

01:31:52.940 I had no

01:31:54.180 idea that the

01:31:54.980 political deep

01:31:55.860 state was so

01:31:56.620 powerful and

01:31:58.540 so vicious and

01:32:01.000 so egotistical

01:32:02.700 that they

01:32:04.520 would stop

01:32:05.580 good science.

01:32:07.760 so now I'm

01:32:11.740 out there

01:32:12.580 speaking because

01:32:13.640 the drug got

01:32:14.100 approved.

01:32:15.820 But that's not

01:32:16.720 enough just for

01:32:17.400 bladder cancer.

01:32:18.220 It has the

01:32:18.960 same treatment

01:32:19.900 effect for

01:32:20.520 pancreatic

01:32:21.560 cancer, lung

01:32:22.180 cancer, triple

01:32:22.780 negative breast

01:32:23.340 cancer.

01:32:24.240 It is the

01:32:24.960 only molecule

01:32:25.700 for 50

01:32:27.080 years that

01:32:28.480 upregulates

01:32:29.240 these killer

01:32:29.760 cells, period,

01:32:30.660 the missing

01:32:31.000 link.

01:32:31.840 Well, you

01:32:32.060 never got COVID,

01:32:33.160 so that's...

01:32:33.720 You really

01:32:33.960 never got COVID?

01:32:34.580 Never got COVID.

01:32:35.040 How many

01:32:36.460 people do

01:32:36.700 you know

01:32:36.860 who didn't

01:32:37.220 get COVID?

01:32:39.280 The President

01:32:39.880 of the United

01:32:40.100 States got

01:32:40.480 COVID like

01:32:40.960 four times.

01:32:41.640 So if you

01:32:42.280 did get

01:32:42.700 COVID, there's

01:32:44.120 three antigens

01:32:45.400 in the

01:32:45.860 virus.

01:32:46.720 There's a

01:32:47.120 spike, there's

01:32:48.340 a nucleic

01:32:48.820 capsid, and

01:32:49.300 there's a

01:32:49.520 thing called

01:32:49.820 the M

01:32:51.460 protein, M.

01:32:54.460 And if you

01:32:54.860 have, when you

01:32:55.740 do your blood

01:32:56.200 test, you can

01:32:57.280 see if you

01:32:57.900 have the M

01:32:58.400 protein.

01:32:59.000 If you have

01:32:59.600 the M

01:33:00.000 protein in

01:33:01.520 your antibody

01:33:03.120 or T-cell

01:33:04.240 antibody to

01:33:05.600 the M

01:33:05.860 protein, that

01:33:06.520 means it

01:33:06.880 came from

01:33:07.260 the virus.

01:33:09.720 If you

01:33:10.240 have no

01:33:10.600 M

01:33:10.820 protein, it

01:33:12.600 came from

01:33:12.940 somewhere else.

01:33:14.080 It could

01:33:14.300 come from

01:33:14.640 the vaccine.

01:33:16.320 I have

01:33:17.040 no M

01:33:18.520 protein, and

01:33:19.640 I have T-cells

01:33:20.520 to N, and

01:33:22.060 I have T-cells

01:33:22.720 to S.

01:33:24.020 So you

01:33:24.360 could basically

01:33:24.780 lick a

01:33:25.140 park bench

01:33:25.660 and not

01:33:26.000 get sick.

01:33:27.480 No, it

01:33:28.300 doesn't,

01:33:28.740 exactly.

01:33:29.220 So now you

01:33:29.760 need to

01:33:30.080 differentiate and

01:33:30.880 not conflate

01:33:31.520 the ability

01:33:32.520 of the virus

01:33:33.020 to infect.

01:33:33.480 It could

01:33:34.340 still infect

01:33:34.800 me, but

01:33:36.540 my body

01:33:36.980 has the

01:33:37.360 protection, the

01:33:38.160 bioshield, to

01:33:39.060 clear it

01:33:39.540 immediately, within

01:33:41.520 seven days.

01:33:43.420 Clear it.

01:33:44.220 Is this a

01:33:44.740 lifelong protection?

01:33:46.060 Well, based

01:33:47.200 on the science

01:33:48.120 of the, what

01:33:49.520 they call MERS

01:33:50.200 one, where it

01:33:50.960 was in 17

01:33:52.200 years, is

01:33:52.900 protection.

01:33:53.920 That was the

01:33:54.400 original coronavirus

01:33:55.160 outbreak.

01:33:55.760 Correct.

01:33:56.140 17 years, this

01:33:57.040 nuclear T-cells is

01:33:58.360 out there.

01:33:59.860 So, we'll...

01:34:01.540 I'll take that.

01:34:02.160 I'll take 17

01:34:02.680 years.

01:34:02.800 Exactly.

01:34:04.060 And you can

01:34:04.640 get a booster.

01:34:06.540 Now, what we're

01:34:07.340 working on is a

01:34:07.940 universal COVID

01:34:08.660 virus vaccine for

01:34:09.940 all coronaviruses

01:34:11.160 because it's in.

01:34:12.760 So, what we did...

01:34:13.820 Oh, that's a

01:34:14.820 good segue to

01:34:16.240 that.

01:34:17.080 So, during my

01:34:17.820 genomic sequencing,

01:34:18.600 I was building the

01:34:19.260 whole machine

01:34:19.740 learning supercomputing

01:34:20.900 network, and I ran

01:34:21.740 the national lambda

01:34:22.480 rail for the

01:34:23.020 God's particle, and

01:34:23.820 I built supercomputers

01:34:24.880 and AI, way

01:34:26.440 before AI was, and

01:34:28.260 I presented the AI

01:34:29.200 model to President

01:34:30.120 Obama, believe it

01:34:30.940 not in the one

01:34:31.520 pager for

01:34:32.400 healthcare.

01:34:34.180 So, our

01:34:34.960 supercomputer, we

01:34:35.920 combined ourselves

01:34:36.820 with Microsoft, so

01:34:37.940 with it, we had the

01:34:38.600 largest GPU cloud

01:34:39.780 during COVID.

01:34:41.260 And we're able then

01:34:42.680 to actually look at

01:34:43.980 the infectivity of

01:34:45.500 every species,

01:34:47.280 every variant of

01:34:49.060 COVID with every

01:34:50.380 human type.

01:34:51.160 There's a thing

01:34:51.580 called HLA, so that

01:34:53.320 we could actually

01:34:53.880 look at how the

01:34:55.200 virus would change

01:34:55.960 and avoid the

01:34:56.720 T cells.

01:34:58.840 The only thing

01:34:59.440 that it could

01:35:00.480 never do was

01:35:01.460 change the

01:35:02.000 nucleocapsid and

01:35:02.860 never could avoid

01:35:03.620 the T cells.

01:35:04.400 We made that

01:35:05.260 software public, it

01:35:06.300 is still public, and

01:35:07.560 published it, so

01:35:08.840 that anybody could

01:35:09.700 test.

01:35:11.700 Based on your

01:35:12.560 HLA, your HLA, and

01:35:13.740 my HLA type would

01:35:14.640 be slightly

01:35:15.260 different.

01:35:16.420 There's hundreds

01:35:16.920 and thousands of

01:35:18.160 HLA types.

01:35:19.040 And know whether

01:35:22.120 this sequence, if

01:35:25.460 you had that

01:35:25.920 sequence in your

01:35:26.540 body, would be

01:35:27.080 protective.

01:35:28.740 Through that, we

01:35:30.100 are developing what

01:35:30.920 we call a universal

01:35:31.920 COVID vaccine,

01:35:34.340 BioShield T cell

01:35:35.580 vaccine, and we

01:35:36.660 have it.

01:35:38.400 But how do we do

01:35:39.340 it?

01:35:39.760 You know, so one

01:35:41.460 of my thoughts was

01:35:43.000 just to give it

01:35:43.620 away to somebody.

01:35:45.580 I actually offered

01:35:46.580 to give it away to

01:35:47.480 Regeneron and to

01:35:48.440 Amgen.

01:35:49.040 way back, but

01:35:51.360 they were too

01:35:51.740 busy.

01:35:52.240 Everybody was too

01:35:52.960 busy during the

01:35:53.740 COVID time.

01:35:55.280 So one of the

01:35:56.480 ideas now was for

01:35:57.580 me to actually go

01:35:58.680 to the Serum

01:35:59.400 Institute in India

01:36:00.320 and say, yeah,

01:36:00.960 please go build

01:36:02.040 us and make us

01:36:03.120 available to the

01:36:03.780 world.

01:36:05.380 So, you know,

01:36:07.360 there's just so

01:36:07.840 much we could do

01:36:08.660 as an organization.

01:36:09.780 We're a tiny little

01:36:10.440 biotech company

01:36:11.360 relative to the

01:36:13.960 Merck and the

01:36:14.420 Pfizer's.

01:36:15.340 But that's what my

01:36:16.260 goal is.

01:36:16.800 My personal goal

01:36:17.620 is when you say

01:36:18.640 I'm still

01:36:19.020 doing it and I

01:36:19.520 don't have a

01:36:19.980 vineyard, the

01:36:22.320 resources that

01:36:24.240 was given to

01:36:24.900 me, it was

01:36:25.500 like God's

01:36:26.040 gift, I

01:36:26.700 believe, that

01:36:28.260 allowed me to

01:36:28.800 do this.

01:36:29.340 So, you know,

01:36:29.920 we have hundreds

01:36:30.500 of employees,

01:36:31.340 I have 40

01:36:31.680 acres of land

01:36:32.560 in Los

01:36:33.340 Angeles.

01:36:33.700 doctors, the

01:36:35.600 other tragedy was I

01:36:38.140 took over this

01:36:39.020 facility in Dunkirk

01:36:40.240 that New York

01:36:42.440 State had put

01:36:43.020 $200 million

01:36:43.680 in, completely

01:36:45.120 empty, brand

01:36:46.080 new, amazing

01:36:47.120 facility for

01:36:47.840 national preparedness

01:36:48.580 business, and I

01:36:49.740 called Chuck Schumer

01:36:50.840 to help me make

01:36:52.560 that available for

01:36:53.360 the country.

01:36:54.920 Nothing.

01:36:56.220 It's still sitting

01:36:57.160 there, available

01:36:58.360 for the country

01:36:59.640 as a national

01:37:00.860 preparedness

01:37:01.420 manufacturing site

01:37:02.580 in Dunkirk, New

01:37:03.660 York, for which we

01:37:05.120 put $50 million

01:37:05.900 in, but there's no

01:37:07.840 employees in there

01:37:08.640 right now.

01:37:09.740 Nothing.

01:37:10.480 That's crazy.

01:37:11.520 It is really

01:37:12.120 ridiculous, right,

01:37:13.440 without leadership,

01:37:15.520 without skill sets

01:37:16.940 in leadership, and

01:37:17.960 without informed

01:37:18.940 leadership, how we

01:37:21.920 as a country could

01:37:22.640 go down the wrong

01:37:23.280 path, and I'm so

01:37:24.260 hopeful that these

01:37:26.260 next four years

01:37:27.180 could change that.

01:37:28.380 So this has been

01:37:29.140 an amazing story.

01:37:29.980 You're obviously

01:37:30.480 very famous in the

01:37:33.700 medical research

01:37:34.380 world and

01:37:36.340 controversial, but

01:37:37.380 I'm sold on what

01:37:38.660 you said.

01:37:38.980 So everything

01:37:40.520 that you've done

01:37:41.500 is, you know,

01:37:43.460 you'll have a great

01:37:44.100 obit because of it.

01:37:45.800 Then you decide to

01:37:46.780 buy the LA Times

01:37:47.480 in 2018-ish.

01:37:50.540 And, you know,

01:37:51.500 owning the main

01:37:53.220 newspaper in the

01:37:54.080 country's second

01:37:54.780 biggest town makes

01:37:55.860 you obviously a

01:37:57.000 media mogul, but it

01:37:57.860 makes you a political

01:37:58.580 figure as well.

01:38:00.240 And LA is so

01:38:01.040 complicated.

01:38:01.500 Like, why would

01:38:01.840 you do that?

01:38:02.680 You don't need

01:38:03.520 that.

01:38:03.780 Why would you do

01:38:04.400 that?

01:38:05.340 Well, I think it

01:38:06.260 really helps to know

01:38:07.660 how I grew up,

01:38:08.680 right?

01:38:09.000 So I grew up in

01:38:09.780 South Africa as

01:38:10.460 apartheid.

01:38:12.500 I, because South

01:38:13.560 Africa didn't have,

01:38:14.480 I did not see a TV

01:38:15.560 until the age of 21,

01:38:17.540 believe it or not.

01:38:18.160 No TV?

01:38:18.760 No TV.

01:38:19.320 South Africa didn't

01:38:19.980 have TV.

01:38:20.940 So not that I

01:38:21.440 didn't watch TV.

01:38:22.320 Period.

01:38:22.960 So it was just

01:38:23.920 books and newspapers.

01:38:25.720 That was the only

01:38:26.560 way I got educated,

01:38:27.700 books and newspapers.

01:38:28.500 to the extent that I

01:38:30.980 would go every day

01:38:32.080 as a newspaper boy

01:38:34.320 to the printing press

01:38:35.280 in Port Elizabeth,

01:38:36.540 sit at the printing

01:38:37.400 press, get the first

01:38:38.740 one off the press,

01:38:39.640 read it, and then

01:38:40.900 run with about two,

01:38:42.180 three hundred papers

01:38:42.880 throughout the city.

01:38:43.600 That would be what I

01:38:45.180 did and grew up.

01:38:46.540 So I fell in love with

01:38:48.100 the printing press,

01:38:48.820 the clicky clack and

01:38:49.660 the oil and the smell.

01:38:51.020 And when the

01:38:53.280 opportunity came,

01:38:54.640 remember as I said,

01:38:55.480 I had this amazing

01:38:57.200 gift of the resources

01:39:00.340 of selling these two

01:39:01.440 companies that I never

01:39:03.000 anticipated in life.

01:39:05.780 With Michael Farrow

01:39:07.060 saying he took over

01:39:08.780 this company called

01:39:10.240 and then named it

01:39:10.960 Trunk and he was

01:39:12.820 going to shut down

01:39:14.460 the Washington Bureau

01:39:15.700 and move all the...

01:39:17.140 So he owned the LA Times?

01:39:18.160 He owned the Tribune

01:39:20.040 actually, the whole thing.

01:39:21.020 Yeah, at that point,

01:39:21.860 yeah.

01:39:22.280 Chicago Tribune,

01:39:23.140 the Tribune company.

01:39:24.060 The whole Tribune

01:39:24.660 company, which included

01:39:25.460 LA Times and San

01:39:26.520 Diego Tribune.

01:39:28.160 And he knew how

01:39:29.260 desperately I wanted

01:39:30.360 the LA Times because

01:39:32.540 I had helped him

01:39:33.580 invest to buy the

01:39:35.620 rest of the Tribune.

01:39:36.440 So I was a minority

01:39:37.220 shoulder in that.

01:39:38.900 And he came to me

01:39:39.580 and said, hey,

01:39:39.940 Patrick, you want it?

01:39:41.920 Here's the price.

01:39:42.860 You've got 48 hours

01:39:44.020 to decide and it's

01:39:45.540 $500 million, no

01:39:46.740 due diligence.

01:39:48.320 No due diligence?

01:39:49.460 That's what's it.

01:39:52.000 Who would take that deal?

01:39:53.520 Only crazy people.

01:39:56.780 It's half a billion dollars

01:39:58.160 and you can't see the books.

01:40:00.240 Yeah.

01:40:00.780 Nor can you go visit

01:40:01.740 the newsroom.

01:40:02.440 Because on Monday,

01:40:06.700 we're going to actually

01:40:07.540 shut all that and

01:40:08.440 move them all out and

01:40:09.400 I don't want you to

01:40:10.160 talk to these people

01:40:10.920 and you have until

01:40:12.320 Monday to decide.

01:40:13.940 And I was running a

01:40:15.080 conference in LA

01:40:16.100 with all my scientists

01:40:17.840 and the National

01:40:18.640 Cancer Institute and

01:40:19.500 all the scientists

01:40:20.060 were there at this

01:40:21.220 hotel.

01:40:21.700 And I said, oh my God.

01:40:22.700 So I went upstairs and

01:40:23.700 we got a private room

01:40:24.540 and I brought all the

01:40:25.220 people into the room

01:40:26.200 and I said, I want

01:40:30.440 to do it.

01:40:30.780 And I called my wife.

01:40:31.540 I said, we want to do

01:40:32.300 this.

01:40:32.700 I think this is an

01:40:33.520 opportunity for us to

01:40:34.620 have a voice for the

01:40:37.460 people, especially if

01:40:38.880 they're going to shut

01:40:39.300 down Washington,

01:40:40.060 they're going to shut

01:40:40.420 down LA.

01:40:40.880 We'll never have a

01:40:41.540 paper here.

01:40:42.060 This is one of the

01:40:42.840 most important things.

01:40:45.100 So by Monday, I signed

01:40:46.380 it and that was it.

01:40:48.760 And you paid him

01:40:49.400 $500 million?

01:40:50.260 $500 million.

01:40:51.600 How grateful was he?

01:40:53.420 Very.

01:40:56.340 I'm sorry to laugh, but

01:40:57.700 if you hadn't made so

01:40:58.760 much money, I wouldn't

01:40:59.380 be laughing because it

01:41:00.160 would be mean, but

01:41:00.800 that's incredible.

01:41:02.760 So Phil Anschutz saw me.

01:41:04.460 I've got some stuff I

01:41:04.980 like to sell you.

01:41:05.700 Is that?

01:41:08.780 So Phil Anschutz saw me

01:41:10.380 at the next Laker game.

01:41:11.760 He says, you know,

01:41:12.220 Patrick, I always thought

01:41:13.140 you were such a smart

01:41:13.920 guy until yesterday.

01:41:17.620 But you know, I have no

01:41:18.540 regrets.

01:41:19.180 I think what I did,

01:41:20.680 then, was said, okay,

01:41:22.580 I'm going to take

01:41:23.500 everything I know in

01:41:24.280 healthcare, that rocket

01:41:25.340 ship that I showed you,

01:41:27.120 and then create, because

01:41:29.980 during that time, Bezos

01:41:30.960 would have this ARC, he'd

01:41:32.360 had the software, and he

01:41:33.300 had the Washington Post,

01:41:34.700 and his team came to see

01:41:36.880 me and said, listen, we've

01:41:38.620 got this ARC software that

01:41:40.500 we want to run.

01:41:41.620 I said, no, I don't like

01:41:43.080 this old software.

01:41:44.160 I'm going to go build a

01:41:45.100 completely new software

01:41:46.260 content management system

01:41:47.980 that could take podcasts,

01:41:49.240 video, live streaming,

01:41:50.680 because I want this

01:41:53.200 newspaper to be an

01:41:54.100 educational moment for

01:41:55.300 people, and at the end

01:41:57.040 of the day, a newspaper is

01:41:58.040 not just a newspaper, it's

01:41:59.420 a basis of engagement.

01:42:01.700 I want to engage users as a

01:42:03.620 tool to engage with people,

01:42:05.680 because that's how I grew

01:42:07.120 up.

01:42:09.360 So we took the risk, and we

01:42:11.240 built this content management

01:42:12.300 system, took us five years,

01:42:13.960 and we launched it, which

01:42:15.220 could talk to the printing

01:42:16.680 press, and it could talk to

01:42:17.960 magazines, it could talk to

01:42:19.140 podcasts, it could talk to

01:42:20.040 video, it could talk to

01:42:20.700 live streaming, and now it's

01:42:23.200 just gone live.

01:42:24.300 It's called LA Times Studio

01:42:25.380 and LA Times Live, and the

01:42:27.620 next thing we're going to do

01:42:28.420 is call LA Times Next.

01:42:30.320 And the LA Times Next, a

01:42:33.340 gentleman called Eric Beach

01:42:34.380 and I are forming so that we

01:42:36.740 could create a platform that

01:42:39.920 would allow voices to be heard

01:42:42.140 and free speech to be heard

01:42:44.280 unencumbered by either opinion

01:42:47.640 or news.

01:42:48.760 So now we have three platforms.

01:42:50.540 We have a platform of news,

01:42:52.020 which supposedly is facts.

01:42:54.360 We have a platform of opinion,

01:42:56.280 which I've now changed to

01:42:57.240 voices, meaning everybody

01:42:59.100 should have a voice, whether

01:43:00.280 you're right voice, left voice,

01:43:01.520 central voice, do you like

01:43:03.060 Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola, whatever

01:43:04.900 voice.

01:43:05.400 And then a complete platform

01:43:10.080 that allows free speech and

01:43:13.660 video, podcast.

01:43:17.020 And now I have that platform.

01:43:19.440 And we've built the

01:43:20.540 infrastructure to accommodate

01:43:21.660 that platform.

01:43:23.440 And I'm excited by LA Times Next

01:43:25.500 because we're going to have a

01:43:26.320 studio in DC, we have a studio in

01:43:29.220 LA, we may have even a studio in

01:43:30.620 Nashville.

01:43:30.920 And shows like this are important

01:43:35.940 because I believe long forms like

01:43:38.400 this is how you communicate for

01:43:40.920 people who are interested.

01:43:43.280 And it could be fun.

01:43:44.500 It should be engaging.

01:43:45.700 It should be interesting.

01:43:47.540 And that's why I bought the paper.

01:43:49.940 Well, those are great reasons as

01:43:51.920 far as I'm concerned, but they come

01:43:54.120 with them.

01:43:54.940 The purchase comes with it.

01:43:56.620 A lot of people who work at the

01:43:59.140 paper, I've worked in newsrooms

01:44:01.800 my whole life, and I know that

01:44:03.940 they hate change.

01:44:05.020 They hate the owner, no matter

01:44:06.500 what.

01:44:07.040 Everybody hates the owner, just on

01:44:08.080 principle.

01:44:09.720 There are a ton of unhappy people

01:44:11.400 in journalism.

01:44:11.860 I would say the overwhelming

01:44:12.780 majority are just, for whatever

01:44:14.000 reason, we could speculate.

01:44:15.800 And they're very hard to manage.

01:44:18.100 And they're roughly about 100 or

01:44:20.980 maybe even more percent left wing

01:44:23.980 everywhere, including at, you

01:44:26.840 know, supposedly conservative

01:44:27.640 places that are all lefties.

01:44:29.160 So how do you deal with that?

01:44:31.740 By being honest and transparent

01:44:33.440 head on.

01:44:34.400 And I openly shared with them, I

01:44:36.560 said, listen, we cannot be an

01:44:37.660 echo chamber.

01:44:38.220 I won't tolerate it.

01:44:40.060 It's okay if you're left wing, but

01:44:42.040 you need right wing.

01:44:43.160 So I offered Scott Jennings an

01:44:44.980 opportunity to write on the paper.

01:44:49.080 And I said, we need all voices.

01:44:52.160 And so I said, listen, I don't know

01:44:55.800 who made these rules because I came

01:44:57.280 into this newspaper.

01:44:57.920 I don't know the difference between

01:44:59.620 a columnist and op-ed or editorial

01:45:01.560 page and news.

01:45:04.120 And now when you're merging all of

01:45:05.740 these, can you imagine the lay

01:45:07.400 person not really understanding the

01:45:09.340 difference?

01:45:09.800 That's right.

01:45:10.140 And I want you to say, news is news

01:45:12.640 and you're the newsroom, fine.

01:45:15.400 Theoretically, everything's edited.

01:45:17.960 You've checked it.

01:45:18.740 You fact-checked it.

01:45:19.980 But when it comes to an opinion, I want to

01:45:23.000 change that to be voices.

01:45:24.440 And I want all voices to be heard, all

01:45:28.740 American voices to be heard.

01:45:30.840 And, you know, the Kamala Harris

01:45:32.360 endorsement, I took a lot of heat because

01:45:36.080 the editorial board resigned by my

01:45:38.780 taking a stand that we cannot be an echo

01:45:40.700 chamber of opinions not based on facts.

01:45:44.040 So just for those who didn't follow it, and

01:45:46.720 it was quite a story, for a couple days

01:45:49.200 there, it was during the campaign, the

01:45:51.800 editorial board, correct me if I'm wrong,

01:45:53.640 wanted to endorse Kamala Harris.

01:45:56.560 And you said no.

01:45:57.780 What did they say to you?

01:45:59.680 And what did you say back to them?

01:46:01.200 Well, I can't put in.

01:46:06.480 Oh, come on.

01:46:07.660 You've gone pretty far already.

01:46:10.100 I can just say they were not happy.

01:46:12.960 But what was their pitch?

01:46:14.660 So the pitch was, we as a board have met

01:46:18.640 and we have this prepackage.

01:46:20.000 We know this is outrageous, blah, blah, blah.

01:46:23.160 This prepackage, what does that mean?

01:46:24.720 We had a prepackage endorsement.

01:46:26.820 What do you mean prepackage?

01:46:27.600 They'd already written it?

01:46:28.100 They'd already written it.

01:46:29.160 After talking to Kamala Harris?

01:46:30.380 Never having met her.

01:46:32.040 They'd never met Kamala Harris?

01:46:33.040 Never met her.

01:46:33.680 Isn't the editorial board supposed to

01:46:34.800 interview the candidates?

01:46:36.160 By the way, the editorial board never met even.

01:46:38.320 I'm on the editorial board.

01:46:41.060 So I said, I'm on the editorial board.

01:46:42.760 Kamala Harris was in LA all the time.

01:46:45.040 Correct.

01:46:46.800 In your neighborhood, actually.

01:46:48.460 Correct.

01:46:48.680 Raising money.

01:46:49.440 Raising money, keeping the traffic in

01:46:51.140 trouble, raising money.

01:46:53.760 And that's, and I'd never met her.

01:46:56.580 And nor did the board even met her.

01:46:59.240 And I said, this is unacceptable.

01:47:01.420 And they know they're, as you could see, because it's a left-leaning, they wrote terrible stories

01:47:06.480 about President Trump, which is-

01:47:09.300 Had they met him?

01:47:10.220 Not met him either.

01:47:11.180 So my statement to them was, listen, you may have an opinion, but all of us should have

01:47:16.680 opinion based on facts.

01:47:18.700 I mean, one of the statements that came, and I won't name him, came from a person that said,

01:47:25.280 within this concept, that Vice President Kamala Harris was the most consequential Vice President

01:47:31.960 in the history of the United States.

01:47:34.480 So I said-

01:47:35.420 No, I shouldn't lie.

01:47:36.300 I don't mean to be dismissive.

01:47:38.180 On what basis did the person say that?

01:47:40.700 Having never met her, anyone, so now exactly, you just hit it on the head.

01:47:45.060 And I said, on what basis do we say that?

01:47:47.640 What are the facts?

01:47:49.240 Can we actually show the record of that?

01:47:52.780 So I said, you know, it boiled down to, look, we're not going to do that.

01:47:56.140 We're just not going to do it.

01:47:57.400 What did the person say when you asked?

01:48:00.280 Nothing.

01:48:00.620 On why are you saying she's the most consequential Vice President of the United States?

01:48:03.420 Like, what are the facts that underlie that judgment?

01:48:09.160 I obviously had disagreed with that person, and there had no basis for that, other than,

01:48:14.800 you know, as you said, a personal echo chamber, you know?

01:48:17.360 And look, I think, I don't know what they're trying to protect.

01:48:22.580 They're trying to, if I'm trying to find, I'm trying to find the kernel of basis, the

01:48:30.040 audience, because the audience is left, so they need to be left.

01:48:32.820 I don't think that's right.

01:48:34.020 I think, meaning our audience, we lost a lot of viewers, right?

01:48:37.700 I mean, thousands of people unsubscribed.

01:48:41.920 But I don't think it's right that we should be this cancelling society.

01:48:46.860 I think we should be a society that can have a civil discourse, like we're having now,

01:48:50.800 and disagree, it's okay, and understand each other's point of view.

01:48:55.260 That's what I think is the value of the paper when you talk about voices.

01:48:58.900 So that's what I'm instigating now.

01:49:01.460 And so I've taken the opportunity...

01:49:03.920 Let's go back to the Kamala thing really quick.

01:49:05.720 So they were shocked that you cancelled that?

01:49:09.200 They were worse than shocked.

01:49:10.080 They resigned.

01:49:11.120 They resigned.

01:49:11.700 So I had three...

01:49:12.860 Right now, 90% of my editorial voice resigned.

01:49:16.860 So where did they go?

01:49:18.440 Because there are no editorial writing jobs left in the middle.

01:49:20.920 I have no idea.

01:49:22.740 Oh.

01:49:23.580 So, look, I think it's important...

01:49:27.820 Look, the fact that I had the courage to resign, some of them.

01:49:32.740 Now, Kevin Murad, I fired.

01:49:34.460 I fired Kevin before they resigned.

01:49:37.280 Why did you fire him?

01:49:38.100 One, because of leadership.

01:49:42.360 Two, because of...

01:49:45.420 I've got to be careful.

01:49:47.260 I don't want to disparage him.

01:49:48.480 I fired him because I didn't believe he was the right person or taking the paper where it needs to be.

01:49:56.180 He was formally at the Washington Post.

01:49:57.640 Washington Post, yeah.

01:49:58.600 I remember that well.

01:49:59.500 And then, after that episode, the editorial board, the rest of them resigned.

01:50:08.260 And now we're rebuilding.

01:50:09.600 Look, we have to...

01:50:10.900 We have to...

01:50:11.940 And what's exciting to me is I'm rebuilding with young people.

01:50:14.180 And what's exciting to me is this opportunity with LA Times Next and LA Times Studio and in the newsroom.

01:50:22.540 Terry Tang is doing a fantastic job.

01:50:24.320 She's working hard to take on the people and the productivity.

01:50:31.000 The productivity?

01:50:32.620 Well, increasing productivity.

01:50:34.900 Oh, you're employing journalists?

01:50:38.460 Okay, so that's a world I understand.

01:50:40.480 Yes, there are some productivity issues there.

01:50:42.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:43.280 So, when you write one slug a month, I think that's not going to be good.

01:50:47.360 Been there.

01:50:48.400 Been there.

01:50:50.240 Yeah.

01:50:50.560 So, it's been an experience.

01:50:53.680 But, look, we're there in for the long haul, I think.

01:50:57.500 And, look, it's just not us, by the way.

01:51:00.080 We've got to save these local newspapers.

01:51:02.080 I agree.

01:51:02.540 Right?

01:51:02.900 We've got to save the ability to have local discos.

01:51:05.720 Now, with the LA Fires, it's even more important, right?

01:51:08.660 Look, I called out Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom.

01:51:11.520 And these politicians...

01:51:14.240 You know them both.

01:51:15.060 I know them both.

01:51:15.980 I text with them both.

01:51:16.960 And I complain to them both.

01:51:19.280 And what I tell the public is what I tell them.

01:51:21.740 So, I don't say anything behind their back.

01:51:24.520 I personally say, I said, you're not doing the right thing.

01:51:28.360 Whether it be the homelessness.

01:51:29.660 The homelessness, they did a terrible job.

01:51:31.840 Yes.

01:51:32.080 A completely wasteful job.

01:51:34.800 So, these are the kinds of things that I think it gave us the opportunity to have a say in our community.

01:51:42.740 You know, and that's what I'll continue to do.

01:51:45.020 Now, we'll position ourselves in D.C.

01:51:47.420 And I think the next four years will be really, I hope, monumental.

01:51:51.820 Doctor, thank you for spending all this time.

01:51:54.860 All right.

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