The Tucker Carlson Show - Dr. Willie Soon

00:00:00.000 In the United States, we often refer to our main sources of energy as fossil fuel, oil,

00:00:16.640 natural gas, coal. They're fossil fuels because they come from fossils, ancient organic material,

00:00:24.400 forests, jungles, plankton, dinosaurs. Held under the ground for millennia, they transform into oil,

00:00:34.320 gas, and coal. Everybody thinks that's true. On the other hand, there's evidence that maybe it's

00:00:40.160 not the whole story. If that's where fossil fuels come from, if that's how hydrocarbons are made,

00:00:46.240 then how come they're found so deep under the oceans and at the top of the earth? How come one

00:00:52.240 of Saturn's moons, according to scientists, has more oil and natural gas than earth? Were there

00:00:59.840 dinosaurs and planktons and forests at one point on one of Saturn's moons? Probably not. So if all

00:01:08.160 hydrocarbons aren't from fossils, where are they from? And why isn't this commonly known? And what

00:01:13.520 are the implications of it? And what does it tell us about our modern climate change policy?

00:01:19.600 These are not just esoteric questions. They're central questions, actually, as we chart the future

00:01:24.240 of energy usage in the world. Willie Soon has been thinking about this for a long time. He's an

00:01:30.320 astrophysicist, a geoscientist. He spent 31 years at Harvard. He recently left and he joins us here.

00:01:37.600 Dr. Soon, thank you so much.

00:01:38.320 Thank you, Tucker. I appreciate it.

00:01:40.320 It's a blessing to be able to come on your show.

00:01:42.320 Well, it's a blessing to have you. And this is such an interesting question with so many

00:01:45.680 implications. And I want to spend most of our time talking about the implications. But

00:01:48.880 just to the strict question of where hydrocarbons come from, it sounds like they're not necessarily

00:01:56.160 all from ancient forests or plankton or dinosaurs, are they?

00:02:00.320 Yes. The story can be a bit long, so give me a few minutes to explain. You are certainly right. But

00:02:06.560 most important to clarify is that the information that is found on the largest moon on Saturn,

00:02:13.200 which is called Titan, is actually results from NASA, European Space Agency, and then the Italian

00:02:20.560 Space Agency, who built this spacecraft called Cassini and Huygen. Actually, one of my thesis

00:02:27.280 advisor committee is actually built the UV spectrometer. But the one that they use to discover this,

00:02:32.880 is basically the ocean liquid, liquid form of methane, which is in ethane form, which is much

00:02:39.680 more complicated hydrocarbon. It's a whole ocean of it. Because Titan is in such a way that it's

00:02:46.800 very cold, by the way. So it's minus 290 degrees Fahrenheit. Yes. Hint, hint, hint. Where's the global

00:02:53.440 warming there, right? If it's full of methane there, right? That's another problem because it's far away

00:02:57.360 from the sun. That's what it is. Yes. And clearly that the question of abiogenic

00:03:04.160 matter, which means no need of any biology, is true. Because we know. Actually, one experimental experiment

00:03:12.000 was done in 2009. It was done in Swedish Royal Academy, one of those groups. But it's done by one Russian

00:03:19.280 leader. He was able to show that if you squeeze methane, CH4 in chemical formula, so four hydrogen,

00:03:27.600 one carbon, squeeze them in a form that in which they simulate the condition of the earth

00:03:33.680 mantle, which is 1800 miles deep, kind of below the surface, because the earth is deeper, right?

00:03:41.200 And it's within this 18, but basically the condition that is only about 40 to 150 miles in,

00:03:47.760 that you actually can form complex hydrocarbon. You got benzene, you got ethane, you got all these

00:03:52.800 other stuff forming. So that proof beyond doubt that you have such a way to make this. Plus that

00:03:57.360 Titan proof beyond doubt. You actually see methane also in all the atmosphere, Jupiter, you know,

00:04:03.440 you even find benzene in the rocks of Mars. And then for me, astrophysicist, I can tell you even more.

00:04:10.800 You find this complex hydrocarbon called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon. It's another one of those

00:04:17.280 complex hydrocarbon. Then actually you found it in interstellar space, which is space within stars,

00:04:23.360 intergalactic space. These are everywhere because temperature there are cold and probably the right

00:04:29.600 pressure condition. All this complex hydrocarbon. It's kind of incredible because all of us,

00:04:35.760 including myself until very recently, assumed that all of our main energy sources are these

00:04:42.240 so-called fossil fuels. And of course their existence is going to be limited by the amount of fossils,

00:04:48.960 by the amount of decaying organic material. Not so.

00:04:51.920 So if that's not so, then we need to rethink a lot of things.

00:04:55.680 A lot. I think, I think this one fit into a paradigm, a famous economist that I like very much.

00:05:01.920 His name is Simon. Do you know about this guy named Simon?

00:05:06.720 Julian Simon. Julian Simon. Yeah, the key guy. University of Illinois and then Maryland.

00:05:11.120 He was the guy who said that the ultimate resource of humanity or earth is actually not all this material

00:05:18.480 thing like uranium gold. Because uranium, there are far more uranium in the oceans than on the land,

00:05:24.720 right? You have 4.5 billion tons of uranium in the ocean. You have only 17 million tons of that.

00:05:32.160 Gold, copper, what do you want on the ocean? It's all there except they're in very dilute form.

00:05:38.960 Clearly. So the ultimate resource actually is not that. It's the human mind. It's the innovation part

00:05:45.200 of it. I think I like that principle a lot. It fits very well in terms of saying that it's all matter of

00:05:51.200 cost. Even oil. Most, I don't know if any, any of you know, the audience know that 50 to 60 percent of

00:05:57.760 the, the, I mean all, actually all the oil that you already drilled, the drill hole. Yeah, you can only

00:06:03.760 pull out 40 to 50 percent of it. 60 percent of that remains in it. Because, simply because there's not

00:06:09.760 enough pressure to get it out. This is why the, the idea of a biogenic oil is interesting. It's true,

00:06:15.520 clearly true. It's all matter of cost, really. Because this thing has to form way inside the

00:06:21.920 earth, the mantle, which is 50 to 100, 100 miles, right? Human, how deep have we ever drilled?

00:06:28.400 Only the skin, which is only five miles maximum, five to, you know, six miles basically. That's

00:06:33.840 at most that we can drill. And then all this stuff has to permeate into the reservoir. I, I got this

00:06:38.800 information from the top. People that physically have to look for oil every day. One of my friends,

00:06:44.480 Joseph Lime Cooler from Beacon Energy, Offshore Energy. Those are the guys who work day in and day

00:06:49.840 out to bring us the energy actually, the oil that we need. So why, why don't most people know this?

00:06:56.320 Why do most people think that the, the gasoline in their car was by definition...

00:07:01.120 Have to be limited. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That there's, that there's just a tiny amount and it's,

00:07:06.400 it's going away. We'll never find more. The world is full of untruth and half-truths,

00:07:10.240 right? That's the whole problem, right? That's why for so long, even the idea that we are not

00:07:14.640 limited and bounded by availability of, uh, let's say gasoline, petroleum or coal. Coal now,

00:07:21.120 they won't allow us to use, right? As you know, in COP meeting in Dubai that just ended a day ago,

00:07:26.720 they just physically declared themselves that we should stop using fossil fuel. Basically,

00:07:31.840 petroleum, natural gas, and even coal. I mean, these people are insane now, really insane.

00:07:37.520 I think they're going to harm more people with their own delusion. Plus, they always remember,

00:07:41.840 these are people who actually don't represent the majority. Since when are this put up to work?

00:07:47.040 It's always about this minority, the tyranny of the few, always robbing the whole census,

00:07:52.720 the good census of the good people. This is part of the reason why as a scientist, I also speak out.

00:07:58.080 Feel, I mean, not afraid of anything except for just telling the truth. And I'm glad to have this

00:08:02.560 opportunity to say such thing in, in your show. So, I mean, if we haven't been told the truth about

00:08:10.480 where hydrocarbons come from, and we haven't, I mean, I've never met a single person in my life

00:08:16.560 who said, wait a second, they're not all fossil fuels, then we keep hearing there's a scientific

00:08:22.160 consensus on climate change. Every scientist believes the same thing about it, believes Al

00:08:27.200 Gore and John Kerry. Maybe that's not true either? Oh, that I can tell you, please. Thank you for

00:08:32.960 asking that question, Tucker. I've been working on this subject of CO2 causing climate change or

00:08:39.200 what other factors we can ask that cause climate to change for close to as long as since my postdoctoral

00:08:45.600 year 1991, right? So it's about 32, 31 years, 32 years. And on this question, I think we have a very

00:08:51.840 definitive answer. What we know now is CO2 ain't gonna cost nothing. It's not gonna change much of

00:09:00.080 the climatic system, which means it won't change the speed of the hurricane. It won't change the

00:09:04.880 how fast or how frequent tornado form. It won't, it won't even actually make any difference to the

00:09:10.800 polar bear population. It's all conservation issue, right, on polar bear. It won't even cause

00:09:15.280 how much fish you don't catch or catch, you know. It won't even cause what they call ocean acidification.

00:09:19.920 It won't even cause this problem that they claim. It's all artificial. Everything they do,

00:09:24.560 it's all dream from their model and the tyranny of the few again. That those few people just dream

00:09:30.800 of this scary story that is just ain't true. And then when you come down to the most responsible

00:09:36.720 group for this kind of bad stuff, I was reminded by my colleague Dr. Ronan Connolly and Michael

00:09:42.480 Connolly, my two co-workers with me on my group, is to say that since, you know, since I work so

00:09:48.800 carefully and I have about more than a hundred scientists the last three years alone working with

00:09:53.760 me, so I don't speak on behalf of them, I speak on behalf of myself. My view is that the UNIPCC,

00:09:59.920 United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, is one of the primary problem,

00:10:05.920 which means they have been misleading people. They've been using authority of science,

00:10:10.080 which is not true, right? It's all governmental hackers, basically, right? People like John

00:10:15.920 Kerry, who I guess can barely take a proper physics class who keep claiming that greenhouse effect is

00:10:22.400 so simple, right? And then he refused to explain how does it work, right? I mean, he did all of that

00:10:29.040 that is very terrible, that really embarrassing to America. He did that in Bali in Indonesia several years

00:10:35.440 back. That is just so embarrassing. Do you think he can explain how it works?

00:10:39.600 No, I don't think so. Even Al Gore, who claimed to know something about science, I challenged Al Gore.

00:10:46.800 I did some of that in his face, actually. I was lucky enough to be in one of those Wall Street Journal

00:10:53.680 eco-conference, and I was giving, you know, setting up with all the UC Santa Barbara students,

00:10:59.760 please make sure when the question comes out, give me the mic, because I was making friends with them

00:11:03.840 the night before. I explained now my details of my work. So I got the mic and asked questions about Al Gore,

00:11:11.680 because one of the primary sad things that they refused to recognize, that I know you know that in

00:11:17.200 even great school sciences. CO2 is a gas of life. When you have more CO2, the plant kingdom, the whole

00:11:26.080 ecology, even the oceans, gonna have more, basically, ability, more fishes, more everything.

00:11:33.360 More life. More life, essentially. That's why it's called gas of life. And these people want to

00:11:38.080 demonize it as some gas that can cause global warming, can cause hurricanes to run faster or

00:11:42.720 weaker. I don't know what they want. To have more rain, more droughts, and all this other nonsense that

00:11:47.360 they claim. All of that, it just ain't so. That's the problem. By the way, this is how serious I am.

00:11:54.000 I check everything they say. I check. As a scientist, you cannot just dismiss them. You cannot laugh at

00:12:00.160 them. You cannot, you know, chide them. You cannot just make joke of them. You check everything. So as

00:12:05.120 a very serious scientist, and I published scientific papers refuting all of these arguments. Scientific

00:12:11.040 papers maybe mean nothing to the average people, but it's really important. It's like a document,

00:12:16.080 that you have to document and then put out the proper scientific arguments about what is right,

00:12:21.120 what is wrong. So that's what we have been doing at my particular center called series-sign.com.

00:12:27.360 So anybody who wants more information about this, please go to the website, right, and study what

00:12:32.160 we do there. Because we are the one that is truly independent from any funding agency, any money that you

00:12:38.240 could possibly give me. Like Bill Gates, please don't give me money. Thank you. And all Al Gore,

00:12:43.120 please don't give me money. Don't give me any money if you tell me what to do. You know, even some of your

00:12:48.080 money, I might not want it. But the point is that I want to be independent, just like you. In the media, I want to be

00:12:53.520 fearless. I've just set my own agenda. You don't tell me what to research either. I research what I

00:12:58.320 want to research. So we've been researching on many, many topics. So on the climate change issue,

00:13:03.840 I'm fully convinced. After all these years, even though we may not know exactly what is causing

00:13:09.440 climate change, we suspect it's the sun. We have a lot of evidence to show that it's probably the sun.

00:13:15.600 Very high percentage, you know, like I would say 90 percent, we're sure, but not 100 percent. But

00:13:22.400 we know carbon dioxide is not the gas, it's not what you call like your thermometer in your room,

00:13:28.000 can adjust up and down that you can set the temperature to be whatever level you want it.

00:13:33.360 First of all, they can never tell us what temperature do they want it at. What is the temperature you want

00:13:39.200 to set the global temperature? Al Gore has not been able to answer that. John Kerry has not been able to

00:13:44.400 answer that because we know the temperature from the coldest in Siberia to the desert in Sahara.

00:13:51.920 I mean, these are huge, at least 100 degree or more kind of differences. Yes. I mean, who are you to

00:13:59.120 tell me which temperature is the correct temperature where you guys are talking like that? They are

00:14:03.280 talking as if they are pseudo-God, they're God themselves. I mean, these people are so ambitious that

00:14:08.320 in some sense, I think we have to keep their ambition down a little bit. I mean, these people are not

00:14:12.800 contented, just like what you put out there. You cannot be ambitious when you're contented. But

00:14:17.200 these people are so out of their mind in some sense that I think it's misleading. And somebody

00:14:22.160 had to speak out against them. I think you are one of those who consistently point out their hypocrisy,

00:14:27.280 right? And I really find that the whole problem of this global warming is a complete nothing,

00:14:33.280 which means we should do nothing about it. Just go on and live life and adapt to it, right?

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00:16:14.160 So what I, here's, of course I agree completely, but here's what I don't understand. Global temperatures have

00:16:21.760 dramatically fluctuated within the period that humans left records. I mean, not that long ago.

00:16:29.120 I mean, there are cities underwater because sea levels have risen within recorded history.

00:16:35.360 The signs of the glaciers are all around us. So that was all before the internal combustion engine.

00:16:42.080 How do they explain that? This is, this is the problem. They, they admitted,

00:16:46.400 a lot of them admitted. They willingly admitted. You can read all the- You can't deny it. I mean,

00:16:50.800 we had glaciers and then they melted because of global warming. They are forced to confess. I mean,

00:16:54.240 these are the confession time. It's the sun, actually, that does a lot of this. The glacier,

00:16:59.360 like there's a period called Little Ice Age, you know, from about 1300 to 1900, you know, very cold.

00:17:05.840 And then there's a beautiful warm period from 880 to about 1200. You know, it was warm. I mean,

00:17:11.920 you can grow wine in England, right? And now you cannot grow wine, right? Things like that. I mean,

00:17:16.720 Greenland was green back then. But now it's full of glaciers. Ice is coming in. So what are you

00:17:22.480 talking about exactly? And it was the sun, actually. The sun fit quite well. As far as we know,

00:17:28.800 in terms of deduct, deducing the information of how does the sun, how, how bright was it? How dim was it?

00:17:34.960 Basically, just like that. Just the amount of light coming out from the sun. Very tiny percentage,

00:17:39.440 by the way. Very small. It's on the order of less than a percent. But it's more than enough because

00:17:45.120 there's another effect that is very, very important. It's basically because the sun,

00:17:49.840 the earth is forced to go around the sun. And then the orbit changed ever so slightly because of

00:17:54.480 perturbation from all the other planets. Yes. You know, Jupiter, Saturn, and even Venus and Mars,

00:17:59.840 they're actually controlling what we do. And the moon, of course, is very important.

00:18:03.920 But that other factors, the orbits, plus the changes of the sun by itself, between how bright,

00:18:10.160 how dim it is, these two factors can explain just about everything that we know.

00:18:16.640 All the data that I have, actually. So I've been stuck. This is why I was so fascinated in

00:18:21.920 in studying this issue. I spent my whole life, actually, studying this. Nothing but doing just this.

00:18:27.600 And the more I understand, the more I think that, wow, it's just a gap to be filled in.

00:18:31.680 We have too much information. And then these people come along, say that CO2 is causing everything.

00:18:37.120 I check. I check. Oh, maybe they're right. I check. As a scientist, I have to check them.

00:18:41.920 But then it's not even close. I mean, these people are talking about things like this.

00:18:46.480 I mean, there's a famous phrase by a very famous Wisconsin meteorologist. His name is

00:18:52.160 Professor Reed Bryson. He's one of the father of climatology, really.

00:18:56.000 He just say that you go out and then you might as well, if you think CO2 is so,

00:19:00.080 then you might as well spit into the air and then see what happened to the airflow.

00:19:03.520 He was just basically saying that CO2 is nothing. It cannot cause the climate to change or anything.

00:19:09.840 It doesn't change anything, actually. It's the sun.

00:19:12.960 Why do you think the most important things that you should talk about? They never talk about that.

00:19:16.880 They always want to average the data. The most important thing they should talk about, you know what?

00:19:21.280 It's the season. No two winter are the same. No two summers are the same.

00:19:25.840 And they never explain that. It's actually the orbits with the sun changing it ever so slightly.

00:19:30.960 And I'm not talking. I have published papers, papers and papers and papers like that,

00:19:35.520 on all this to show and document why and how. That's what the fun part of doing science.

00:19:40.320 It's not only chit-chatting, hand-waving like crazy.

00:19:43.040 You have to be. Even though I may look like one now, but I'm always very calm when you write down.

00:19:48.480 You know, like every time I have to write a paper, I always tell my wife, please,

00:19:52.000 don't disturb me for a few days. I'll be back. Things like that. Of course, working at home,

00:19:56.800 but I'll be back.

00:19:59.360 Is there any way to predict what climate change will be based on the sun?

00:20:03.520 Actually, you can because of the orbit. The only thing we don't know is how to predict the sun changes

00:20:08.320 by itself because the magnetism, you know, just the magnetic field on the sun is too complicated.

00:20:13.280 The sun is the magnetized ball, right? It's a gas, hot gas. It's about, you know,

00:20:17.680 the magnetic field is so strong. It's 10,000 times stronger than the earth. The earth is also

00:20:21.840 a magnet, a bar magnet basically. It's one gauss. We have 10,000 gauss at least on the sun.

00:20:26.880 So it's a very different property and it works very differently because it's heated by basically

00:20:32.320 a thermonuclear reaction inside the sun. So it created all kinds of hot gas behavior

00:20:38.000 that is very difficult to try to master or even to model using mathematical equations.

00:20:44.080 Actually, it's much easier to study the earth than to do the sun. So that's part of the problem

00:20:48.480 in scientific tasks, the physics tasks. It's very difficult. But then we learn a lot. We learn a lot

00:20:53.680 through just watching the sun. I mean, Galileo Galilei, right? He pointed his telescope. He was smart enough.

00:21:02.000 First, he pointed to Jupiter, to the moon, right? Jupiter. Then he saw the moon, right? He saw four moons around it.

00:21:07.680 And then he's smart that he goes the next day to watch it again. He watched and then he says

00:21:12.240 started to move. By the way, there's a famous story of Galileo Galilei. We'll talk about it someday.

00:21:16.800 When he wrote that down, initially it was in Italian. When he realized he discovered something

00:21:22.080 so unique, he changed the language to Latin. And the next day, yeah, you know, I got it, man. The good

00:21:27.280 one. You know, so he started writing in Latin, precise language, okay? But anyway, for the sun,

00:21:33.200 it's really so complicated that actually I've been studying this actually as long as you know me.

00:21:37.920 I mean, I studied this for so long. We know a lot. I even wrote a popular book actually to try to explain

00:21:43.920 why that during a period of the sunspot, so Galileo Galilei started in 1609, 1610 or so. So we have about

00:21:50.880 now 413 years of data. But there's a period that deep inside the little ice age, 1645 to 1715,

00:22:00.880 is called the Monder Minimum. Because during that period, the sunspot almost all disappeared,

00:22:08.720 especially in the northern hemisphere. It disappeared completely. Nobody know why. And that's why

00:22:15.200 the French astronomer, famous people like Cassini, the one that the Cassini spacecraft, he was observing

00:22:21.360 at that time. He said, man, this Galileo guy must be on either drinking too much or lying or things

00:22:26.800 like that. He said there's a lot of sunspot, but when we observe at this time, we didn't see nothing.

00:22:31.680 What's wrong? But it's an actual phenomenon, right? My friend, my good friend, which is the number one

00:22:37.760 world sunspot historian, he just wrote email to me, Douglas Hoyt. He actually was the master of this,

00:22:43.120 collecting all the sunspot data, going back to all the major libraries, you know, from Galileo first

00:22:48.160 point all the way to present point. Basically found that this phenomenon is true because during that

00:22:53.600 period, the sunspot was not there, not because nobody was watching. There was at least observed

00:22:58.080 80 percent of the time during the 70 years. You see, it's so unique, that period. But now we're beginning

00:23:03.920 to try to learn what happened there. So during that period, we really think that the sun was so much

00:23:09.040 dimmer. It was substantially dimmer. This is why you have this Little Ice Age phenomenon.

00:23:14.560 All the Thames River were froze. You know, we have the Thames River in England, well-known,

00:23:20.240 and then all the ice skating thing, you know, in Holland, all the different culture. And then

00:23:25.440 these are all real actual phenomenon. And then this day, they're trying to say that maybe Little

00:23:30.560 Ice Age is not Little Ice Age. They even try to change that in scientific field, actually. So this was

00:23:35.920 very, very puzzling for me. Why would they try and change that? Oh, I don't know. Because they

00:23:40.480 want to say that CO2 is controlling everything. They kind of want to have CO2 as the prime driver

00:23:45.200 of everything. This is part of the problem that I find. Well, that's not science. That's lying.

00:23:50.240 Ah, it's bad. It's bad in science. This is why in science now, I'd rather say this thing outright.

00:23:56.080 I want, I'd rather have questions that cannot be answered and answers that cannot be questioned.

00:24:01.280 Because these people are just offering you the answer, and then you should just shut up like you

00:24:05.520 say. Don't ask any questions. Don't criticize. Don't even bother to think. Just accept what we say.

00:24:11.920 I mean, you may have known that actually, if you want to get there, I can talk about this,

00:24:16.240 because this is rather famous, because the other person is still around. He's the one who's shouting

00:24:20.320 up and down these last two days to say that, oh, we must stop fossil fuel. GOP is so evil. We must stop all

00:24:26.720 of them because we are the, GOP are the evil, uh, political bodies in America that causes all

00:24:32.640 this fossil fuel to be, we are using fossil fuel and all that. His name is Professor Michael Mann.

00:24:37.360 He's at University of Pennsylvania. Yes.

00:24:39.200 He created a paper. We call it the hockey shtick.

00:24:42.000 Yeah. The shtick paper.

00:24:43.280 The hockey shtick.

00:24:44.240 He basically say that the temperature history, first of all, the true temperature history looked like this.

00:24:49.040 It was very warm from 800 AD. Let's say warm, warm, and then it cools down. About 1300 started to go down. Cool.

00:24:57.280 And then since about 1900 century, it started to warm back up. Way, way before CO2 is important, okay?

00:25:04.400 That's another puzzle that they never want to explain. That looked like this. That's the real story.

00:25:08.960 Michael Mann came along, said that, well, he used mathematical algorithm, okay?

00:25:15.680 You can use fancy words, but believe me, it's just mathematical algorithm that he produced a shtick

00:25:22.400 for one time, 880 to about 1900 AD. It's all flat because it changed. It changed very tiny amount.

00:25:28.240 So small that actually it doesn't mean anything. 0.1 or 0.2 degrees Celsius. So small.

00:25:33.440 It doesn't mean the one that I talk about, the change is one degree at least, you know,

00:25:37.040 to five, six times bigger than what he say. And then he just say it is like this. And then it warm up

00:25:42.400 because of the blade, which is the warming because of rising carbon dioxide. But he forgot to explain

00:25:47.920 to you. This warming of the temperature started way before even the human part of the atmospheric

00:25:55.040 carbon dioxide could be anything meaningful. This is part of the problem. It's all been crazy from day

00:26:00.000 one. When this thing was published in 1999, I was the first few guys who raised a hand at the back of

00:26:07.360 the class and say, excuse me, professor, man, he used to be my friend, by the way. Now he will never

00:26:11.680 answer me. He used to exchange email with me because, you know, we more or less share the same

00:26:16.240 passion, want to understand things. Now he just say that his story, his story is the only one that is

00:26:21.120 correct. But it's not bared out by any data that we know. That's the problem. It's all mathematical

00:26:26.640 products. This is how scary the whole world can be. And United Nations, the IPCC group that I mentioned,

00:26:33.120 promoted his work, turned into a major hero because he has solved one of this old puzzle problem that

00:26:41.200 climatologists over millennia has been trying to solve since the day of the Greeks to try to understand

00:26:47.200 how climate change. And this guy come along, say that it looked like this. Only CO2 does it. And that's the problem.

00:26:54.400 So, I mean, it just ain't so what you're I mean, some of this is very complex, but in the way you're describing

00:27:01.120 and if he's saying the warming period began before there was a meaningful addition of CO2 into the

00:27:06.880 atmosphere caused by humans, even I can understand that. Yes. Right. That's the truth. So we were in

00:27:12.160 a meeting here at TCN the other day and I looked around the room and every other person had a kind

00:27:17.280 of ruddy vitality, pink cheeks, alertness, bright eyes, full mental acuity and a cheerfulness you could

00:27:27.680 almost smell. And I asked, why does everyone look so good? And part of the answer, of course,

00:27:34.320 is they like what we do for a living. It's really interesting. We think it's important.

00:27:38.720 But another reason everyone looks so good is because they'd all had a great night sleep.

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00:28:03.520 like that. You just throw this over what you have. What it does is adjust the temperature

00:28:09.760 of your bed, warmer or cooler, depending on what you want. And it maintains an ideal sleeping

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00:29:23.680 slash Tucker. Better sleep today and look great in your morning meetings as our guys do. So I would assume

00:29:31.840 that lots of scientists who do this for a living might be asking the same question. Why don't they speak up?

00:29:36.800 This is the problem. The whole problem in science this day is related to funding, how science is funded.

00:29:44.640 That philosophy, I wish to not get too much into it. This is part of the reason why I want to be totally

00:29:50.880 independent. I get out of this whole system, right? But it's how science is. It's about funding. Even if you don't get

00:29:57.920 money directly, it will influence the graduate students and on and on and so forth. All these

00:30:02.880 other related effects, you know? And many people are afraid to speak up. But I tell you, if you really

00:30:09.760 put all the scientists to an honest kind of polling if it's science, but science is not about polling too.

00:30:15.120 All it takes is one to be correct. Yes. That's the problem, right? Einstein used when he formulated the

00:30:20.640 famous general relativity or special relativity, actually, that was criticized. That basically

00:30:26.320 talk about speed of light is constant. So time and space are relative. Yes. Right? Time can be dilated.

00:30:32.320 Space is also slightly different because the speed of light is constant. Special relativity is based on

00:30:37.360 that concept. Then 100 of these Berlin academicians tried to wrote a pamphlet, say that Einstein is wrong,

00:30:44.320 but never awful. Why? What is the details that is wrong? And then Einstein indeed answered like this.

00:30:51.440 Why would you need a hundred? You know, if I were to be wrong, one would suffice. I mean, that's the

00:30:57.760 that's the theme of the science. Science is so bad because it's so totally upside down, inside out.

00:31:04.560 Covid is another case, you know. So let's stick to climate stuff. People are afraid to speak up. I don't

00:31:09.840 know why, actually. I was young. I had to worry about my three kids, where they eat and all that

00:31:14.640 stuff. You know, buffet all the time. Just kidding. The greatest American invention. This is truly

00:31:21.280 entrepreneur, by the way. Anyway, we have enough food. No problem. That's why food, I don't think

00:31:26.720 is also a problem in this world. Even material resources, right? All you think is have to think

00:31:31.200 like Julian Simon type. You know, we can generate everything. The only problem we left is lack of imagination,

00:31:37.840 narrow-mindedness, and all this anti-America sentiment. Put it this way. America is among

00:31:43.120 the best hope for humanity, you know, to put forward. We have the foundation document, the

00:31:47.360 constitution, for God's sake. That is the most beautiful thing that we could ever imagine.

00:31:52.400 And why don't we use it properly, right? People just trashing on it every day, right? Anyway, I digress.

00:32:00.640 Anyway, so yes, I think science is a problem now because of funding structure. People won't speak out. I don't

00:32:06.720 know why. I think it's natural for people to be afraid, but you can only be afraid for so long.

00:32:12.000 For me, I was frustrated because I was not afraid ever since I was in science. Because I'm in science,

00:32:16.880 because I love science. This is why, from my own perspective, I'm just very sad to see that science

00:32:22.560 is being trampled by all these other non-science forces, you know? That's why when I look at COVID also,

00:32:28.320 I cannot stand by and say nothing. On COVID-19, there are so many things wrong with it. That's why I want

00:32:33.520 to pre-advertise. With my group, series.science.com, we work with a bunch of people. One of the good

00:32:38.800 guests for you potential will be Professor Harvey Rich. He said he's been interviewed by you twice.

00:32:43.280 Yes. Even guys like Bob Malone, we work together, produce a paper. So when the paper come out,

00:32:47.680 hopefully we can have them on your show so they can tell more stories. We want to provide the

00:32:53.600 medical community or even the world to document this episode of Dark Ages in medical sciences.

00:32:59.360 Something went terribly wrong. The mask never really worked. The vaccine never really worked.

00:33:04.400 All of this doesn't work. The lockdown doesn't work. And why are we doing this? Now they're

00:33:09.280 trying to scare with another news scare all over the world now. Newspaper. This morning,

00:33:13.600 I just got one newspaper from my sister who has to start, oh, they start masking up in Malaysia now.

00:33:19.520 Because cases have to increase. The usual story. I laugh in a serious way because I see this is

00:33:26.560 another one of those attempts again to try to scare people. So I did digress now. Science is just so

00:33:32.160 complicated now that every aspect of the science that I look at, I've become very unhappy. Science is

00:33:37.840 no longer able to do where science leads. This is the theme of my series that's science.com. We

00:33:43.840 with few only colleagues. I don't have enough funding. I just hope to get as many donations by the way.

00:33:48.720 Donate but don't tell us anything. Do anything. Trust us because we are decent scientists. You can look at our

00:33:54.560 publication record that we are able to produce the most interesting and pure work. Like IPCC.

00:34:00.960 They have to reply to us. Two years ago, we published a very important paper. One of my

00:34:06.000 journalists, friend, a colleague wrote a paper, newspaper article. And then he go and ask IPCC,

00:34:12.480 why are you guys not signing this paper? They use the excuse to say that, oh, these people published late.

00:34:17.440 We have a deadline here, red line. Oh, if you don't publish before some date, like 2021, okay, like

00:34:24.000 January or 2021, then we won't include your work. So we published in August, so they won't include my

00:34:29.680 work. But they forgot to say that they are, they claim themselves, they proclaim, UNIPCC proclaim

00:34:35.520 themselves to be the best of the scientific world, produce the most updated and all that. But immediately,

00:34:41.840 their report came out, they already outdated because they haven't included my work, which is the most

00:34:47.520 comprehensive review of how the sun affects the climate. That's the work we did. So this, this year,

00:34:53.040 just two months ago, we published two more paper convincingly show that even the thermometer data that

00:34:59.680 they show you is, it's not what it is. It's actually not measuring climate. It's measuring urban heat

00:35:06.400 island changes. Something that I think everybody can understand. If you go to the inner part of the

00:35:12.240 big city, like TC is one of the best examples. I have graph to show that you go there, inner city is

00:35:17.600 much warmer than outside because of concrete retaining all the heat or you change all the surfaces or the,

00:35:23.520 you know, the surface become impervious between there's no breathing, no water going in and out,

00:35:28.560 things like that. And it's what we show is that it's not a phenomenon just on local science. You average

00:35:34.320 over this, you can see the effect all over the Northern Hemisphere. This is very powerful new

00:35:39.440 work that we spend. So concrete and asphalt raise the temperatures more than CO2. And that's what

00:35:44.960 they're measuring. And then they tell you this is global temperature. And then we provide an alternative.

00:35:51.040 We say, why don't we go look at rural station that is available? And guess what our result found?

00:35:55.840 Completely different story from, from the picture, the narrative that's coming out from this data set,

00:36:01.920 thermometer data that show that combined urban and rural. Okay. We show rural only. We can tell

00:36:08.800 you that you can immediately offer a different answer. For example, it's the sun that does it,

00:36:14.160 that does it. We show that, but we don't know that is the answer. We just simply show you that

00:36:19.920 the IPCC and all these so-called scientists from NASA, NOAA, and all of them are not doing their due

00:36:26.560 diligence. They are putting you very bad quality data product. Not only that, they hide it. Some of

00:36:32.800 them, it's so difficult to get the data. Okay? We- But it should never be difficult to get data.

00:36:38.640 I'm sorry, Tucker. This is how the problem in science now is so many serious- But I thought

00:36:43.280 transparency of data was science. I was hoping. I always believe in that. That's why

00:36:49.440 everything that we publish is there. Because we got it from somewhere. Here's the data. Use it.

00:36:55.360 Check us. If we're wrong, tell us we're wrong. That is one thing that I can always promise you. I'm

00:36:59.680 not here to try to gain favor or anything. If I'm wrong and I don't know, I tell you, I don't know,

00:37:04.320 Tucker. A lot of these things, I really under a lot of careful consideration, really a lot of deep

00:37:09.920 meditation, thinking about this topic. What I think is very problematic, I'm so glad to have this

00:37:15.040 opportunity to go this far, to be able to talk for this long now, is that really the IPCC product

00:37:21.040 is actually substandard. Of course, they have a different mandate. Their mandate is political,

00:37:26.480 right? To provide policy. We understand that. But how many people really understand that

00:37:31.600 pure science doesn't support anything they say? I mean, in the beginning of this COP28 meeting,

00:37:37.200 the chairman, or this guy from UAE, United Arab Emirates, the chairman, I don't know his name,

00:37:42.320 Sultan Al-Jaber, or something. He was saying that there's no scientific reasoning to say that we

00:37:47.520 should face up. He's right. But then he back off because of all this everybody's hurt mentality.

00:37:54.800 Everybody's doing the mad thing. Everybody, science is not about that. They all agree now. They all

00:37:59.600 agree to face up, right? For some kind of agreement. You know, that everybody declared that they're going

00:38:04.800 to do that, that they're going to face up. I don't even know how, actually. Why? Why are you doing this?

00:38:10.640 And then one of the claims is that they're going to triple the amount of solar and wind power. That is

00:38:16.240 a sad story. You know, of the amount that we spend that we can document, some 3, 3.6 trillion dollars,

00:38:24.560 they spent almost 2 trillion dollars on solar and wind power over the last, I don't know,

00:38:29.760 5, 10 years or so. And then what they did is that they spent more of the money, 2 trillion on

00:38:35.360 solar and wind. And solar and wind can only account for only 3% of the world power. 85% from fossil fuel,

00:38:42.160 as you can see, hydropower and nuclear. Nuclear is another puzzle. I checked with all my nuclear

00:38:48.240 expert friends that have been working for years on nuclear power. Nuclear power is one of the saddest

00:38:54.800 stories. I believe that we actually have almost a solution in hand. Not the fusion, of course. It's

00:39:01.200 you know, the fast reactor or the good generation of nuclear power. Peaceful use of that won't even

00:39:08.960 generate nuclear weapons. We can do all of that technology. The only thing barrier is red tapes,

00:39:13.840 environmentally scared of radiation. All these other problems. We almost have all of that in hand.

00:39:20.720 The power can last. One estimate shows that if we were to use it at the demand of that by 2050,

00:39:26.880 we can have enough power for 2,700 years. That's far more than any of the fossil fuel can promise.

00:39:33.280 And then, and we're still not doing it. We're not doing it. America is so far behind now.

00:39:38.800 We are, we just make one in Georgia, one of the nuclear plants. That's so over cost because of all

00:39:45.200 the red tape. That is so embarrassing. They are numbers. I mean, it costing a thousand or two thousand

00:39:51.680 times even more than what Korea and you know, even Korea now is, is a major guy who make this nuclear

00:39:58.480 power plant for, for different, any country who wants to do it. Right? I mean, Korea, India, they are making

00:40:04.720 a much cheaper cost. And the design, French designs are the best, right? French. They're all doing that.

00:40:10.960 And we're not doing it. China, of course, left and right doing that. But we're not doing anything.

00:40:15.840 Oh, we try to tell you that we got to shut off fossil fuel, increase solar and wind. Are you joking?

00:40:21.120 Even three times more will be 9%. I don't know. Can you turn on your, your, your light only 9% or now?

00:40:29.200 You should shut all this light off now. You're overusing it.

00:40:32.000 And it destroys the, the actual environment. Exactly. Wind farms.

00:40:35.200 This is a kind of a very bad incentive that they don't realize. It's about this

00:40:39.920 kind of people that is so out of their mind, in my view, that they really should be cautious.

00:40:45.840 Somebody should just ping on their head. Guys, don't, don't, don't keep saying those things.

00:40:52.240 You better think twice or consult somebody that knows something that is honest, you know?

00:40:57.520 You spent 31 years at Harvard. Would you be able to say this out loud at Harvard?

00:41:02.960 Actually, back then, I also didn't care. But, uh, most of the time I get called into

00:41:07.520 the director's office, this and that. They're always trying to tell, oh, why are you saying that?

00:41:11.440 Why are you saying this? I say, well, I'm a scientist. I should say whatever I want to say.

00:41:15.520 Not only that, the problem in, when I was at Harvard, part of the reason I quit,

00:41:19.520 as I try to explain is about JAP requirement, but another one is a bit of censorship.

00:41:25.360 I can only do certain things. I cannot do certain things. Like, I would never be able to write paper

00:41:30.320 on COVID-19. I would never be able to work, work, uh, on, let's say environmental air pollution issues,

00:41:36.480 you know, like, you know, so-called NOx or SOx and all these other things, or mercury and things like that.

00:41:41.040 I have a lot, I study a lot on those issues because I personally are concerned. So I dig into the literature,

00:41:47.280 one thing after another, basically because I sleep very little. So I really do a lot of things. I flip

00:41:52.160 every rock, pebbles, anything you want. So I study a lot. I produce a result that is good enough that

00:41:57.360 can be making a lot of scientific, but I never publish them because they simply won't allow.

00:42:02.320 They wouldn't allow you? Yes. It's about a matter of allowing because they say it doesn't fit

00:42:07.440 the theme of the Center for Astrophysics. So I don't want to talk back about the institution,

00:42:11.680 but it is the finest astrophysics institution in the world. In terms of instrument building,

00:42:17.360 in terms of technology, we can produce the best. You know, you often look at the

00:42:23.280 x-ray picture of the sun. Those are from very fine camera that we built that with multi-coding layers,

00:42:29.680 because the x-rays, they come in very slowly and then they're going to diffuse, come out,

00:42:34.240 but we make very fine way to catch them so they can come out so the images are crystal clear. You

00:42:39.120 can see all the structure on the sun. It's made by my center. They are good scientists,

00:42:44.560 except that when it comes down to a larger picture of science, shh, shh, don't say this,

00:42:49.280 don't say that, this and that, and then all of that. This is why even at Harvard, I quit taking

00:42:54.480 money from NASA and NSF, all these other places, in 2004, because I'm beginning to think that

00:43:00.800 science being so unaccountable, funded by taxpayer, that all these people, it's so unconscionable.

00:43:07.040 So I personally chose that. That is nobody to blame but myself, but I chose to take only from

00:43:12.800 foundation who are willing to give me money, right? So I wrote those kind of proposal and then got to go

00:43:18.080 through the director's office, this and that, right? I have a very, very happy and fruitful

00:43:22.560 career. Everybody can look up my publication list. It's very long. And not only that, it's not the

00:43:27.360 number that counts. It's the quality of the paper. I always want to remind people, I don't like talking

00:43:32.800 about how many thousands of papers you write, this and that. It's not important. Which paper that is

00:43:37.520 really important for certain issues, that's important that you, if you are able to show that, that's good.

00:43:42.320 That's what I mean. All my papers are basically under a lot of this serious, serious thinking and

00:43:47.680 serious evaluation, checking and rechecking before I would care to write about anything.

00:43:52.000 Because you don't want to write anything that's wrong tomorrow. You want something that can write.

00:43:57.040 But science is basically garbage can now. These scientific papers. I categorically would even

00:44:02.640 make this statement. I will make the statement that about 80 to 90 percent of the paper published in

00:44:08.160 so-called climate science today should not be published. But everybody have NSF grant. Everybody have all these

00:44:17.120 grants. You see how the inflation goes? You know, just like the other day, you hear that Yale

00:44:21.760 University, you know, a large part of it, most of the students on 2022 or something, all got grade A

00:44:28.800 grade, you know? Grade A, they diluted the grade. But Harvey Rich assured me that in medical sciences

00:44:33.840 and hard sciences, Harvey Rich is the professor at Yale University. He teach in the medical school.

00:44:38.640 So he said, no, not true. So he tried to assure me he has quality. Maybe not in his class,

00:44:44.960 but Harvey, not in any other class, right? Anyway.

00:44:47.760 So I want to ask you, this is a kind of last topic, which is not related to this,

00:44:51.520 but we talked about it off the air, and I think it's really interesting.

00:44:54.800 You were telling me that you see God or evidence of God in math.

00:45:02.240 Well, can you explain what you were saying? And maybe I misread what you were saying.

00:45:06.800 No, no, no, no, you did not. I mean, I, I have been closer and closer to God in the sense

00:45:12.320 that because it takes me a long time. I'm rather rebellious. You know, I have to say,

00:45:16.240 damn it, God, you got to prove it to me. Show it to me, buddy. Just kidding.

00:45:21.520 I'm sorry to anybody. No, no. No offense. But I really say it in that way.

00:45:25.440 You know, you talk to yourself in a sense. But in many, many moments in history of physics

00:45:30.480 or mathematics, things come out. You see, mathematics, you know, is this very pure word

00:45:35.040 that it seems to have no connection to real world physics.

00:45:37.600 That's right. It's true. It's a complex number. It's one of them. But it appears in quantum

00:45:41.360 mechanics, right? It's so beautiful. But one of the things that sometimes you see in the equation

00:45:46.560 is so amazing. When you formulate, you know, maybe it's not right. Maybe it's this and that.

00:45:50.400 Maybe, you know, you doubt yourself. But one of the most beautiful equations was the one that

00:45:54.720 derived by Paul Dirac. He's a professor at Cambridge University, but he retired in Florida,

00:45:59.600 by the way. He died in Florida, Tallahassee. I mean, it's a refuge for him because he doesn't

00:46:05.600 like to talk. He would sit there for five days. He don't talk. One day, all of a sudden,

00:46:09.520 he talked. But anyway, he formulated that. He's a beautiful man. He, you know, Paul Dirac,

00:46:14.080 he formulated this relativistic equation for electrons. But in one of the equations,

00:46:19.200 the solution comes out to be a negative sign. Not only that, there's a square root involved.

00:46:24.160 So there's strange behavior. There's a negative sign in law. But it has to have the exact property,

00:46:29.040 like an electron and all that stuff. How come? Everybody say, you're crazy, you're stupid,

00:46:36.640 this and that, right? He's not even weighed. He didn't, no sweat, buddy. He just say, I am right.

00:46:44.720 Many years later, a few years later, it is shown in Caltech by Carl Anderson to show there's

00:46:49.920 actually such a thing called positron. You know, the opposite, the brothers of an electron.

00:46:54.720 That's such a thing. And then if you ask yourself, how is it possible? Right? There's something,

00:47:01.440 this is out of nowhere. Where does this thing come from? And then in mathematical sciences,

00:47:06.880 there's a lot of things like this, like geometry. There's an even more famous thing about in

00:47:11.440 geometry. It's called Calabi-Yau manifold that related to string theory. This thing was basically

00:47:17.840 a revisit of Einstein's general relativity equation, asking itself whether is it possible to have

00:47:24.240 close curvature in space-time that you actually don't require even gravity to be there. And they

00:47:31.440 show that Calabi was trying to prove this Yao, Xing Dong Yao is one of the great mathematicians,

00:47:36.080 right? He's at Harvard, but he retired. Now he go to China, right? He was the one who tried to

00:47:41.360 disprove this thing, but he turns out to be true. That is true that you can have close curvature in space-time

00:47:49.360 that without gravity even. So that added even more reach in this world. That from mathematics to

00:47:56.400 real world, we already have enough hard time understanding Einstein. And this guy added even

00:48:00.800 more. And his discovery was in the seventies and things like that, you know? So there's so many

00:48:05.680 examples and incidents like this. Just have to tell you that you have to bow down. You have to

00:48:10.800 occasionally take a deep breath, you know? There may be some ever presence of these forces,

00:48:16.960 these forces that allow us to illuminate our life. And I tell you, God has given us this,

00:48:22.560 all this light that tell us that we have to follow the light and do the best we can,

00:48:27.600 rather than everyday devouring planet Earth saying that we are the Satan, we are the evil people.

00:48:33.520 You know, these people are constantly trying to, you know, make all of us a lesser human being.

00:48:39.920 I would never allow them anyway. So good luck, you know, for those people like Al Gore and all that,

00:48:45.600 who think that they're high and mighty, right? And trying to always, always lecture us on,

00:48:50.560 got to cut down on fossil fuel because we're going to hurt the planet Earth. I say,

00:48:56.240 Al Gore, do you ever think twice? Who are you to think that you can actually

00:49:01.200 try to save the planet Earth even? Because they always use the word,

00:49:04.240 I'm trying to save the planet Earth. I don't know who gives them the right to save the planet Earth.

00:49:08.720 Same with this experiment that they're trying to do, by the way. The experiment to say that we

00:49:12.480 must cut down CO2 emission. I told you CO2 is good for, you know, for life. Because I asked Al Gore,

00:49:19.120 indeed, when I asked Al Gore the question in UC Santa Barbara, it's what? It's that CO2 is gas of life.

00:49:25.680 Who give you the audacity to cut down this? Then aren't you, are you going to be responsible for the

00:49:30.880 ecological and humanitarian, all this crisis? Even, we know, rising CO2 affects even plants,

00:49:38.000 I don't know, especially food production, right? Maybe not exact number we know, but it does,

00:49:43.440 positively, right? We have technology to help it, better seed, better all this fertilization,

00:49:49.280 all this other thing. But who gives them the idea to do that, to cut down, because it's generally going

00:49:55.200 to be good for life. Because you have to push them around, because nobody should give them the

00:49:59.920 authority. So far, I don't think anyone can answer that question for me. So I tell them to please bow

00:50:05.040 down to God. Really answer to that question first, before you do anything else. Because it's ridiculous

00:50:10.240 for them to keep to claim that they have the upper moral and ethical high ground to try to prescribe

00:50:17.520 everybody to live in certain condition that they chose. But they themselves don't follow the rules.

00:50:22.880 And they tell us to take a bus. Elgo always even tell people to take a bus, Elgo. My God, I say,

00:50:29.360 Elgo, you take a bus from Tennessee to Massachusetts, I'll be waiting for you down there. Please.

00:50:34.560 I mean, this guy is just out of the, out of the, out of this world, man. I'm sorry, Elgo,

00:50:40.240 but you can still call me. Can you, um, Willie Soon, thank you. But before you go,

00:50:46.720 last thing for, for viewers who want to know more about what you do, can you say once again,

00:50:51.600 where they can read it? Yes. Please, uh, uh, I hope that, uh, I don't disappoint anyone,

00:50:56.320 but please come to series-sign.com. And I want to make one plug for my good friend,

00:51:03.120 Hal Shurtleff. As, uh, as I get older and older, including my own kids, my own kids,

00:51:08.400 three kids have been going to the camp constitution at New Hampshire. And we also wanted to invite,

00:51:13.840 uh, uh, uh, Tucker Carlson to come because Vivek Ravaswami came last, last summer. And because we

00:51:20.320 are very, very small group, we are tiny little group called camp constitution. So campconstitution.net.

00:51:26.160 We offer basically family, kind of a Christian kind of a background, but we don't talk about Christ all

00:51:31.440 the time, but we talk about Bibles. We talk about constitution. We talk about science. So I'm the

00:51:36.560 science instructor. I've been doing that for almost six, seven years now. So I've been doing every year,

00:51:41.600 I will give one or two classes, depends on how many, whatever they want me to do, I'll do.

00:51:46.240 And my own kids came to those things. And then, you know, we play, play music. We have campfire.

00:51:51.600 It's a family event. Used to be that focus on kids. But this day, I'm sorry, too many adults

00:51:57.040 started to come. So we have even people like my good friend, uh, Lord Christopher Moncton from England.

00:52:02.880 He spoke twice. So small little group, but if anybody who thinks that, you know, you have the time and even

00:52:09.280 come and learn what we do here and emulate in your own city and towns and all that, you know,

00:52:14.160 people from Wisconsin, please come. People from California, please come. You know, we have it in

00:52:18.880 New Hampshire every year, every summer. We have this camp and it's a very good thing. So campconstitution.net.

00:52:25.520 Okay. And I talked to your friend, Vince, uh, Allison from Maryland. I also called him before I came.

00:52:31.600 He's one of the good guy, right? Yeah. Amazing. Willie Soon, that was the most interesting conversation

00:52:37.200 I've heard in a long time. Well, thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks.

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 09, 2024

Dr. Willie Soon

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