The Tucker Carlson Show - Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump

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00:00:30.000 This woman came up to me screeching in a way. 1.00

00:00:32.900 I mean, she can't know me. She didn't know me. I never met her.

00:00:35.820 Screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting.

00:00:38.760 That suggests that your mere physical presence evokes an emotional response.

00:00:44.920 DOJ is a bigger mess even than some conspiracy-minded people on the outside like me imagine.

00:00:49.840 Some people would say, what's Dan doing, Bungino?

00:00:51.760 He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here.

00:00:54.080 The scope is bigger and it is, therefore, much, much worse than people think.

00:00:58.600 Why would Tom Tillis be the instrument of your destruction?

00:01:01.720 He railed on J6.

00:01:04.120 He said, how could you represent J6 people? 1.00

00:01:06.560 How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah? 1.00

00:01:10.500 The Republican Party tells you they're one thing, but they're actually another thing. 1.00

00:01:13.840 Right now, it's Trump's party.

00:01:14.920 It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go, right?

00:01:17.120 Exactly. You want your kid to go to Georgetown?

00:01:18.780 Oh, he goes to Georgetown.

00:01:19.740 It's way more than that.

00:01:21.120 People just have no idea.

00:01:22.660 The CIA small arms training facility was on their campus.

00:01:26.080 It's an arm of the deepest of the deep state.

00:01:28.480 Way worse than Harvard, actually, I think.

00:01:30.020 Thank you for doing this.

00:01:51.860 So, I'm laughing.

00:01:54.280 I saw a very angry young woman spit in your face on camera two days ago. 1.00

00:02:02.060 That suggests that your mere physical presence evokes an emotional response.

00:02:09.780 Why?

00:02:11.020 DC is in trouble.

00:02:12.240 I'm from there.

00:02:12.780 I can vouch for that.

00:02:14.900 You are going to fix it.

00:02:16.380 What exactly do you think, from your perspective, was the resistance to you?

00:02:21.600 Well, first, I'd like to point out, Tucker, because I've been accused of having a signature piece of clothing now,

00:02:26.700 like in the old days, the bow tie.

00:02:28.160 You know the jacket that I wear, the sort of raincoat?

00:02:31.220 Yeah.

00:02:31.480 The New York Times called it my signature.

00:02:33.280 I like it.

00:02:34.080 It was very effective because the spit went on the raincoat.

00:02:36.560 It was able to be cleaned off.

00:02:37.840 It's very old school Watergate, by the way.

00:02:39.960 Columbo.

00:02:40.400 I'm going Columbo.

00:02:41.300 Not, as my kids said, Inspector Gadget.

00:02:43.320 I thought that was degrading, and I've indicted all three of the four of them now.

00:02:47.220 All right.

00:02:47.720 So, look, I did the job.

00:02:50.380 President Trump gave me this incredible privilege.

00:02:53.780 Usually, a U.S. attorney is nominated, and then they get confirmed, and then they come into office, right?

00:02:59.900 Yes.

00:03:00.180 So, it's usually like October, and you finally get somebody in office, and that whole time, you have the Sally Yates problem.

00:03:06.100 Remember Sally Yates?

00:03:06.640 Very well.

00:03:06.920 Who was acting.

00:03:07.820 You have some acting person that's either undermining you or is not totally into the job.

00:03:12.440 Exactly.

00:03:12.840 Okay.

00:03:13.320 So, I said to the president a while ago, if you want me to do this job, can I have it on day one?

00:03:17.720 And he agreed, and he put me on day one.

00:03:19.660 And so, day one, we started swinging right away at all the things that we needed to swing at, right?

00:03:24.800 First of all, day one, we had the pardons, 1,600 pardons.

00:03:28.120 Day two or three, we had two pardons of cops.

00:03:30.700 Day three or four, we had all the FACE Act pardons.

00:03:33.400 It was a busy first week.

00:03:34.540 But more importantly, as we were talking about affair, I started swinging.

00:03:39.360 We started actually going for it. 0.96

00:03:40.520 We said, okay, we're going to, weaponization, you know, Chuck Schumer's a bully. 0.56

00:03:44.600 And we went at this fight, hammer and tongs, and everybody noticed. 0.86

00:03:48.480 Everybody noticed.

00:03:49.300 Chuck Schumer noticed.

00:03:50.120 Dick Durbin starts firing off letters of complaint, all kinds of things.

00:03:54.040 And that's how you're supposed to do the job.

00:03:56.600 I wish it was-

00:03:58.120 Consistent with the president's mandate since he was just elected by the majority of voters.

00:04:01.840 Exactly.

00:04:02.360 Right.

00:04:02.540 It's called democracy.

00:04:03.240 It's called democracy.

00:04:03.960 And he actually put some, you know, he signed orders.

00:04:08.160 He signed what he gave us the direction he wanted us to do.

00:04:11.060 Executive orders said, stop the weaponization. 0.93

00:04:13.260 Go look at this.

00:04:13.860 And then, by the way, Attorney General Bondi got in.

00:04:15.840 She gave us an even more specific list, right?

00:04:17.680 So, but more importantly, Tucker, if it was 100 years ago, maybe, you could just be genteel

00:04:24.580 and prosecute the cases as they came along, right?

00:04:27.880 You could sit around and say, sooner or later, it'll all work out.

00:04:31.400 It's not 100 years ago.

00:04:32.560 And the fight right now is a fight over everything from information to accountability to healing,

00:04:39.280 right?

00:04:39.620 So, that's the fight.

00:04:41.120 And the U.S. Attorney is on the front lines in Washington, D.C. when they're going after

00:04:45.520 Elon Musk or Judge Boesberg.

00:04:48.020 They went after both.

00:04:49.180 And I gave both of them a letter that said, hey, I got your back.

00:04:51.920 If you even threaten these people in a way that goes over the line, we're going to indict you.

00:04:56.420 You're talking about the mob threatening with physical violence.

00:04:58.300 Yeah, the mob threatened Elon and the Doge guys.

00:05:00.560 The mob threatened my prosecutors.

00:05:02.020 The mob threatened Boesberg.

00:05:03.760 And I said, any of these things, we're going to put a stop to it.

00:05:06.600 But what happens is, I've not been able to try this out.

00:05:10.780 I'll try to see if you like it.

00:05:12.040 The Schumer smear.

00:05:13.100 Schumer was so mad that I got into office and I said, hold on a second.

00:05:17.040 You're not allowed to say the whirlwind is coming for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.

00:05:21.840 And then a month later, Kavanaugh's got a guy with zip ties and a gun.

00:05:24.900 Remember this?

00:05:25.340 This is this.

00:05:25.720 Very well.

00:05:26.340 And so, I said, hold on.

00:05:27.740 The statute of limitations is coming.

00:05:29.520 Five years.

00:05:30.680 I'm going to investigate this.

00:05:31.800 And I'm going to ask Chuck Schumer, what did you mean?

00:05:33.740 You cannot mean that you're allowed to stand and threaten justices, right?

00:05:38.400 And so, I put that out.

00:05:39.580 He refused to answer.

00:05:40.820 He said it's offensive, all that stuff.

00:05:42.640 And then he went on a jihad inside the Senate.

00:05:46.480 He got opposition research and he went member to member and said, this guy, Martin, you can't

00:05:50.900 vote for him.

00:05:51.440 This guy, Martin, you can't.

00:05:52.500 And so, it's the Schumer smear.

00:05:54.100 Then they called me names in the Washington Post.

00:05:56.440 You know, the Washington Post did something they've never done before, Tucker.

00:05:59.720 Underneath the line, Spencer Hsu, he put a thing that said,

00:06:03.280 if you have any tips on Martin, send them to us.

00:06:05.840 I've never done this before.

00:06:07.100 It's like, we want to get Martin, send us the tips.

00:06:10.140 I sent a letter to Bezos.

00:06:11.420 I said, hey, I'm not sure this is how the newspaper is supposed to run.

00:06:14.560 He hasn't responded yet.

00:06:15.820 But my point is, President Trump said, fight for the future of the country.

00:06:20.840 And that fight can't be trapped in the Article 3 gentility of 100 years ago.

00:06:28.180 It's the fight we got right now.

00:06:29.500 And that's what we're doing.

00:06:30.100 So, I think they hated me.

00:06:31.020 And this woman came up to me screeching in a way. 1.00

00:06:33.960 I mean, she can't know me.

00:06:35.120 She didn't know me.

00:06:35.820 I never met her.

00:06:37.000 Screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting.

00:06:40.040 You know, I don't know.

00:06:40.740 It just...

00:06:41.420 Who was she? 1.00

00:06:42.180 What happened to her?

00:06:43.160 Well, they've identified her.

00:06:44.260 And I guess they've...

00:06:45.220 I don't know if they've picked her up yet.

00:06:46.680 But they know exactly who it is and all that.

00:06:48.340 And so, as you might imagine, I'm not involved in the case.

00:06:51.160 Because, you know, I'm the victim in this case.

00:06:53.240 So, it's got to be processed.

00:06:54.380 But I think that, you know, marshals and FBI were right on it.

00:06:58.060 And they've got it figured out.

00:06:59.500 So, you think the genesis of the opposition was your request to Chuck Schumer that he answer questions about encouraging violence against the Supreme Court justice?

00:07:07.200 Well, I think that the role I played is epitomized by that, right?

00:07:15.520 Public and willing to fight for the right things.

00:07:18.740 And Schumer certainly took it to heart and made a big deal out of it.

00:07:21.980 And then they just made me into somebody who's...

00:07:24.000 The Washington Post had me on the front page of A1 or B1 every day for three or four weeks.

00:07:29.740 Like, wild.

00:07:31.200 A U.S. attorney.

00:07:32.300 Dick Durbin sent me 561 questions.

00:07:35.320 District court judges don't get that many.

00:07:37.660 You know, no U.S. attorney's ever gotten that many.

00:07:39.620 Question after question, accusing me of this and that and the other thing.

00:07:43.060 So, they obviously knew they didn't like something about what I was doing.

00:07:47.140 And the public picks up on it, right?

00:07:48.840 And they worried what you would do.

00:07:50.020 Well, I think that's fair.

00:07:52.540 So, the U.S. attorney needs Senate confirmation.

00:07:57.540 Democrats control the Senate by a huge margin.

00:07:59.400 Is that correct?

00:08:00.500 Something like that, yeah.

00:08:01.760 Oh, no.

00:08:02.300 That's not true.

00:08:03.100 Yeah, no, no.

00:08:03.580 That's not quite true.

00:08:04.640 No, look, I would have won on the floor.

00:08:06.960 But the Judiciary Committee, Tillis, Tom Tillis decided to block it in the Judiciary Committee.

00:08:11.260 Democrat from California?

00:08:12.380 Yeah, well, something like that, yeah.

00:08:13.480 Oh, no, Republican from North Carolina.

00:08:15.100 Right, right.

00:08:15.620 So, why would Tom Tillis, who was elected in maybe 2012, 14, something like that-ish, but a lot of money spent on that campaign, a lot of Republicans mobilized and didn't get that guy elected in a swing state even then, and a lot of hope presiding in Tom Tillis.

00:08:35.840 Why would Tom Tillis be the instrument of your destruction?

00:08:39.360 Well, look, I think, you know, I've got to say, oh, the Senate's got to process, respect the process, all that stuff, right?

00:08:46.380 So, check the box.

00:08:47.160 I did that with you.

00:08:47.860 So, I met with the guy for 90 minutes.

00:08:50.680 You know, by the way, for about a decade, I've done work when Phyllis Schlafly, the late Phyllis Schlafly from whom I worked, one of the things she cared a lot about was patents and protecting individual patent holders and inventors.

00:09:02.320 So, for years, we've had patent events.

00:09:04.620 One of the participants in the patent events is Tom Tillis all the time because he's good on that issue and we would work with him.

00:09:10.460 So, not a stranger in terms of policy stuff to me.

00:09:13.360 So, when I met with him, 90 minutes, he railed on J6.

00:09:19.200 He said, how could you represent J6 people? 1.00

00:09:21.660 How stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah? 1.00

00:09:25.560 And I said, sir, you know, look, I've looked at this closely. 1.00

00:09:29.120 It feels like you're not quite paying attention to what happened, right?

00:09:32.800 That's correct.

00:09:33.900 And look, here's the thing.

00:09:34.760 You know, Tucker, this is what I mean by this is the fight we're in, this fight for the future of our country.

00:09:40.100 Millions of Americans fall victim to the hoaxes, one after another.

00:09:45.140 Yes.

00:09:45.300 And if you fall victim to the J6 hoax, that it was an insurrection, armed and this close to the end, then you might act like Tom Tillis.

00:09:53.540 And you might rant and rave and say things like that.

00:09:55.780 And that's what he did.

00:09:57.000 But if you're, I think if you're not under the spell of the hoax, you say, wait a second, lots of people were waved into the Capitol.

00:10:04.380 And maybe you could charge him with trespass, but you can't throw him in jail for three years, four years, three and a half years, right?

00:10:10.420 Because of, and then the Supreme Court, bipartisan Supreme Court, throws out the charge that was used.

00:10:15.440 It's called the 1512 charge. 0.90

00:10:17.180 When I got in my office as U.S. attorney, I said, first week, we're going to look at the 1512. 0.70

00:10:21.440 Who charged it?

00:10:22.720 And of course, it was charged by Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco right across.

00:10:26.360 It wasn't the guy in my chair.

00:10:28.080 He was an empty suit there to just, you know, carry water as they went in.

00:10:31.780 Right DOJ directly, attorney general.

00:10:33.840 All the way up, right up, right up, of course.

00:10:35.040 I mean, look, 1512 is an Andrew Weissman creation, right?

00:10:38.440 This was Andrew Weissman advocated for a 1512 charge.

00:10:42.220 Who's Andrew Weissman?

00:10:42.920 In the Mueller investigation and the Mueller investigation.

00:10:45.260 Andrew Weissman is one of these lawyers who is at NYU right now.

00:10:49.060 He goes in and out of government and he's basically at the center.

00:10:51.520 There's about six or seven of these people that are at the center of coordinating the weaponization of government against the people right now.

00:10:58.320 And every time you turn around, you know, I love, I'll give it to you.

00:11:01.040 The guy that was the prosecutor in Kosovo before Jack Smith, you know, a special prosecutor, forget his name right now.

00:11:06.840 He left so Jack Smith could come in.

00:11:09.000 Where'd he go?

00:11:10.140 One guess.

00:11:10.820 NYU to Andrew Weissman's shop.

00:11:12.940 Perfect.

00:11:13.200 So when you watch Andrew Weissman's at Mueller, he says in Mueller, we need 1512.

00:11:18.560 We can charge Trump in the, watch this.

00:11:20.940 We can use 1512.

00:11:22.020 We're making it up, but we can get away with it if we build it out this way and just get everybody to go along.

00:11:26.900 He fails at that, Mueller.

00:11:28.540 You know, Barr says, and Jeff Jensen, no, Barr says you can't do that, right?

00:11:32.460 You can't do, we're not going to do that.

00:11:33.660 Shuts it down.

00:11:34.680 And then along comes Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, all these same people.

00:11:38.120 They say charge the 1512.

00:11:40.340 Tucker, the 1512 charge, right?

00:11:43.220 Your viewers may not track it well enough, but 1512 was an addition to the law about 20 years ago after Enron.

00:11:51.880 Because Arthur Anderson, the accounting firm, was destroying documents.

00:11:56.420 Enron was the target of the investigation.

00:11:59.220 Arthur Anderson was destroying documents, wasn't the target.

00:12:01.520 And there was no law to say, if you knew there was an investigation, you shouldn't destroy documents.

00:12:06.380 So they passed this law, okay, 1512.

00:12:08.780 It said, if you know there's an official proceeding, you're not allowed to destroy documents.

00:12:13.600 Okay, you got it?

00:12:14.260 Fair, yeah.

00:12:14.900 Okay, that's it.

00:12:16.240 All these years later, Weissman is saying, we'll use obstruction of official proceeding.

00:12:23.360 We'll expand official proceeding.

00:12:25.480 We'll call it, oh yeah, we'll call it the electoral college count.

00:12:28.820 And we'll go after everybody.

00:12:29.940 But first, before we go for Trump, let's drag a couple of hundred people into jail. 0.83

00:12:34.160 We'll make them plead guilty.

00:12:35.460 We'll try them with a bad jury. 0.95

00:12:36.860 We'll make the judges roll along.

00:12:38.360 And we'll make sure we put them in one after another.

00:12:40.360 We'll say, see, 1512, it's a good charge.

00:12:43.080 Judges went for it.

00:12:44.080 Everybody went for it.

00:12:44.980 And then we'll get Trump.

00:12:46.240 And one judge said no.

00:12:48.360 Then it went up to the Supreme Court.

00:12:49.580 And the bipartisan Supreme Court said hell no and threw it all out.

00:12:52.700 So we watched American citizens rotting in jail for years for walking through the Capitol and 1512.

00:12:59.940 And that's Weissman.

00:13:00.600 And Tillis is okay with that.

00:13:01.900 And Tillis is, well, Tillis is saying, oh my gosh. 0.97

00:13:03.880 He said anyone who's dumb enough to go into the Capitol should be charged with everything on the sun. 0.93

00:13:09.160 I said, well, if a cop opens the door and you walk in and you walk out, you're going to charge him? 0.98

00:13:14.120 And anyway, so.

00:13:15.280 What did he say when you asked him?

00:13:16.260 Well, he said, you know.

00:13:17.080 Because that's about what I, that's almost what I was about to say.

00:13:19.920 Yeah.

00:13:20.180 That we now have videotaped Jake Chansley, for example, a QAnon shaman led into the Senate chamber by a cop.

00:13:25.660 Right.

00:13:26.080 Wanders around and then leaves and then goes to prison.

00:13:28.780 Right.

00:13:29.420 I don't understand.

00:13:30.740 And I want to be charitable to Tom Tillis, who is obviously very liberal.

00:13:34.280 And there are things about him I don't like.

00:13:36.060 But I want to be fair.

00:13:37.480 But I don't understand how he couldn't know that.

00:13:41.300 It was an insight into the mind of people that are trapped in that understanding.

00:13:45.820 And, you know, like the other thing they all said to me is, oh, you must like people that hit cops because you defended people that hit cops.

00:13:52.540 Who said that?

00:13:53.200 Oh, everybody.

00:13:53.900 The New York, the Washington Post, all these people.

00:13:55.680 Because lawyers are supposed to defend, you know, we defend the sort of worst of the worst.

00:13:59.600 Always.

00:13:59.960 That's the system.

00:14:00.320 Or people who've been charged with crimes.

00:14:01.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:03.040 Isn't that the way it works?

00:14:04.080 Isn't that the way it works?

00:14:04.740 But I said, so I say, look, nobody's for hitting cops, right?

00:14:08.340 Nobody's for hitting cops. 0.99

00:14:09.080 My office, my predecessor, did not charge cops, did not charge assaults on police officers because they're only misdemeanors in the stupid D.C. laws. 0.95

00:14:18.840 And I said, new law, new rule, touch a cop, getting charged with assault, right? 0.96

00:14:22.900 So stipulate we're all against hitting cops.

00:14:26.440 After that, what happened on January 6th, forget about even the day of it.

00:14:31.120 Watch what happens.

00:14:32.160 Liz Cheney and Benny Thompson run a $50 million, you know, misinformation campaign to tell the world this is what was going on.

00:14:40.980 And that's what Tom Tillis is believing, I guess.

00:14:44.460 And meanwhile, the rest of us—

00:14:45.340 But that's like MSNBC level lying.

00:14:48.160 It's like transparent.

00:14:49.600 It was an armed insurrection.

00:14:51.380 Police officers were killed.

00:14:53.440 None of that is true.

00:14:54.920 Yeah.

00:14:56.740 Right.

00:14:57.320 And look, I'm past it now except to say this.

00:15:00.620 The weaponization of government against the people is what we see over and over and over again.

00:15:06.140 And when the leaders either acquiesce to it or fall for the hoax of it, we see it over and over and over again.

00:15:14.620 Whether you pick a FISA court, you know, we just watch this over and over.

00:15:18.720 And you don't have time to say, was your heart in it?

00:15:22.000 Are you lying?

00:15:23.600 It's just you're willing to buy into that worldview.

00:15:25.900 It's destroying the country.

00:15:27.040 Can I ask you one—I couldn't agree more.

00:15:28.520 Can I ask one last question?

00:15:29.760 Did any member of the U.S. Senate or member of Congress suggest, like, how many federal agents were in the crowd that day?

00:15:38.700 None of them seem interested in that.

00:15:40.760 Yeah.

00:15:41.080 That seems like a baseline question.

00:15:43.800 Did any members of the Senate—I mean, in my—probably not in the conversations I had, but you bring us to a point—

00:15:50.420 Does anyone care?

00:15:51.440 Well, you bring us to a point where, as I started this out, is we're in a fight for—about information, right?

00:16:00.920 And we're told, get over it and move on.

00:16:03.520 It's like the 2020 election.

00:16:04.780 Yeah.

00:16:05.040 The people say to me—they say, I was a stop-the-steal organizer.

00:16:08.260 Well, I ran the election board in St. Louis, back in St. Louis.

00:16:11.520 You know, I ran the election board.

00:16:12.560 I know how elections work.

00:16:13.740 The 2020 election, there were lots of things that were really off-base.

00:16:16.600 That's why I've always said it.

00:16:17.400 I maintain it today.

00:16:18.380 It doesn't mean I have it proved—it doesn't mean that I've proven the election was stolen.

00:16:21.480 No, but I know there's things that were off.

00:16:23.140 Well, you weren't allowed to say that.

00:16:24.280 Remember, you're not even allowed to say that out loud.

00:16:26.880 And you go forward, and so they say, oh, you were a stop-the-steal.

00:16:29.560 So I said, wait, isn't that the system we're supposed to have?

00:16:32.020 And we keep seeing information, government weaponized to stop information flow.

00:16:39.240 And most of us move on, right?

00:16:41.220 You move on to the next thing because the way the world is moving.

00:16:45.200 And one of the things this effort to do to focus on weaponization is to get the truth out.

00:16:50.060 So to your point, we still don't know the answer to that.

00:16:52.740 We do not know how many ages—how can we not know?

00:16:55.440 I mean, I'm going to get it out, or I'm going to die trying.

00:16:58.480 Pipe bomber.

00:16:59.220 As a prosecutor, I've got the pipe bomber case in my office.

00:17:03.900 The FBI—Bongino said to the FBI, change all the agents, everybody look at it again.

00:17:09.020 It's been going on for about five weeks.

00:17:11.020 It's like Keystone Cops, you know?

00:17:14.180 They didn't interview some of the people that you would have said.

00:17:17.200 That might be a suspect.

00:17:18.540 They hadn't interviewed him.

00:17:19.560 I mean, so the question becomes, what's happening here?

00:17:22.880 Is it incompetence?

00:17:23.860 It feels worse than incompetence, right?

00:17:26.060 And so that information—

00:17:28.580 It does.

00:17:28.740 It does.

00:17:29.140 What do you think?

00:17:30.280 Well, I think it's worse than incompetence.

00:17:35.180 But I think the only way forward is to not describe what I think of the motives, but to expose over and over again what's happened.

00:17:44.240 If you expose what's happened and the truth gets out, then accountability is possible.

00:17:48.740 If you don't expose what's happened, the accountability looks like targeting, right?

00:17:52.400 So you've got to do this one to get to this one, and the other side just does this, and then they count on the media to tell us it's okay.

00:17:58.880 We have to do this and this, and that's my answer to some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bunge?

00:18:03.980 You know, I talk to him every week or so.

00:18:06.340 He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here.

00:18:08.740 You can't arrest everybody the first month, but you've got to get this going, and it's a challenge.

00:18:13.560 But I'm glad people are holding us, you know, pushing everybody.

00:18:16.140 It's good, but it's harder than it looks.

00:18:18.640 It really is.

00:18:19.720 I believe that.

00:18:20.600 My informed, well-informed sense is that DOJ is a bigger mess even than some conspiracy-minded people on the outside like me imagine it is.

00:18:29.920 Like, I think it's actually a mess.

00:18:31.180 Is it?

00:18:31.780 I would say that—

00:18:33.260 FBI specifically.

00:18:34.340 Yeah, look, I worked for the Catholic Church, right?

00:18:36.900 I worked for the Catholic Church.

00:18:37.960 I'm pretty attuned to bureaucracies, right?

00:18:41.060 And I've seen the scope of them and see the institutional inertia, like the momentum that they get.

00:18:47.280 And I think my office was—my U.S. attorney's office was about this big, Tucker, and it took me 120 days to get this much of my arms, you know, wrapped around this much because this is how big it was.

00:18:59.960 It's, you know, Cash's job is this big and DOJ's is this big and the presence is this big.

00:19:04.680 So, Mike, answer is the scope is bigger and it is, therefore, much, much worse than people think.

00:19:12.960 And I just think it's a—and by the way, one of the reasons I say information is so key, you can't—we can't win the Article III battle fast enough.

00:19:24.920 We can fight it and we can eventually win lots of them.

00:19:27.320 You can't win it fast enough to get the progress we need in terms of our—so you've got to be doing the information fine.

00:19:33.740 For people watching, what's the Article III battle?

00:19:34.760 Yeah, the Article III means like the federal courts.

00:19:36.500 We're in federal courts.

00:19:37.280 The president says you can't let people come into the country and then the courts say nationwide injunction and, you know, you're not allowed to do that.

00:19:44.540 And you're constantly in court.

00:19:46.640 You know, the U.S. attorney's office for D.C. has all of the cases of when the government is sued, you know, the president sues.

00:19:53.100 They all come into our office on the civil side.

00:19:54.860 And so you see all that stuff coming in, you know, in the—during the Biden administration, the conservatives were suing in Texas.

00:20:01.480 It was friendlier judges.

00:20:02.560 Now it's in D.C.

00:20:03.540 So you're in the courts fighting to get the truth out, fighting to make these things, prosecutions and all.

00:20:09.780 But they take a longer time than just getting the word out, right, getting the information out.

00:20:14.720 I just—I feel like it's a different moment in history.

00:20:17.400 And that's how I was U.S. attorney.

00:20:19.200 That's why you saw—people saw so much outfacing action because I wasn't just looking at courts.

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00:23:50.860 Can you go back?

00:23:52.780 And I'm sorry, I've gone far afield as usual with me.

00:23:55.620 But so you have to be, you're nominated by the president to be U.S. attorney in D.C.

00:24:02.960 It has to go through the Senate.

00:24:04.760 You offend Chuck Schumer by asking inconvenient questions.

00:24:08.800 He sends out the word, destroy this man.

00:24:11.560 That process begins.

00:24:12.660 And then in the end, it was Tom Tillis because the Republican, joking aside, party does control the Senate, supposedly, who killed it.

00:24:23.800 How do you account for that?

00:24:27.400 This is like a central job for those who are not paying attention.

00:24:30.700 This is like if you're going to drain the swamp, if you're going to end the weaponization of the legal system,

00:24:36.540 if you're going to make good on all the promises the president made while campaigning,

00:24:39.600 you need to fill this job with a capable person, and Tom Tillis winds up torpedoing you?

00:24:44.760 Well, you know, I worked for Phyllis Schlafly, right?

00:24:48.000 And so when she wrote A Choice Not an Echo in 1964 and all the way through her career,

00:24:52.480 and then the last 10 years of her life when I worked with her, you just, you come to know about the party, right?

00:24:57.500 The Republican Party is probably more problematic in certain ways than the Democrat Party is obvious opponents, right?

00:25:07.060 I agree with that.

00:25:07.320 So when Phyllis writes about 1964, what they did to, you know, Goldwater at that fight,

00:25:12.580 or she writes in, she wrote about 1980 when they, you know, forced H.W. Bush on Reagan.

00:25:17.420 I mean, she wrote about, but she also wrote about, by the way, about the Bilderbergs.

00:25:20.700 She's the first one to use the word Bilderbergs, about the globalists when they were meeting.

00:25:24.160 But Phyllis would say, you know, and Todd, look, she backed Trump.

00:25:29.300 She backed Trump early.

00:25:30.420 And it basically, well, it caused a rift in her family.

00:25:35.520 One of her children was, a cruise person was against her.

00:25:38.520 It caused a rift in her organization.

00:25:40.100 And I remember asking her, I'm like, kind of seriously, is this worth it?

00:25:43.320 And she said, of course it's worth it.

00:25:44.460 She said, you know, this is, and so that was on our side.

00:25:46.820 That was on the sort of conservative side.

00:25:48.940 So I'm not surprised by any of it.

00:25:50.680 I was on the RNC when they did the autopsy.

00:25:53.240 Remember, you know, Romney loses and they spend nine or $10 million.

00:25:57.700 And the same people got paid, go back and look, who got paid $9 million for the autopsy

00:26:02.500 on the Republican Party.

00:26:03.340 And it said, speak in Spanish and don't talk about social issues.

00:26:06.560 And we're just going to win everything.

00:26:08.380 And they made the mistake.

00:26:09.920 They asked me, microphone in my first meeting of the RNC, what do you think of that?

00:26:14.000 And I said, what do you think of your report?

00:26:15.440 And I said, it's not my report.

00:26:16.820 I didn't go for that.

00:26:17.960 That's crazy.

00:26:18.540 We'll lose every election.

00:26:19.520 So the Republican Party has always been that way.

00:26:22.320 It's just better than the other one.

00:26:23.940 And the question is right now.

00:26:25.640 Well, it's better in some way.

00:26:26.440 I mean, I've never, you know, I don't vote for Democrats because I'm pro-life.

00:26:28.880 So I'm not going to vote for pro-choice, period.

00:26:30.860 So that's right.

00:26:31.880 And I think there are a lot of Republican voters who feel that way.

00:26:34.140 Right.

00:26:34.980 So the Democratic Party is just off the table for me.

00:26:36.860 But I'm not sure the Republican Party is better because I think it's more deceptive.

00:26:42.460 The Democratic Party is like, yeah, we're the tranny illegal alien party. 0.99

00:26:45.380 OK, that's who you are. 0.99

00:26:46.700 I find that repugnant.

00:26:47.860 But the Republican Party tells you they're one thing, but they're actually another thing.

00:26:52.960 That's what bothers me.

00:26:54.180 Well, no, I thought, yeah, well, it's the same thing Phyllis talked about, you know, back in the day.

00:26:57.980 It was the establishment on the eastern establishment, eastern elites who were trying to control the party and did a lot.

00:27:02.640 Look, right now it's Trump's party.

00:27:03.980 It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go.

00:27:06.040 Exactly.

00:27:06.400 And so the question is, will they be able to hold on?

00:27:08.980 And when you heard the president say he didn't say Ed wouldn't get confirmed, he said that's not worth the fight right now.

00:27:14.880 We got other things to do.

00:27:15.980 And, you know, we knew we knew we'd get somebody good in that spot, to your point.

00:27:19.380 And we knew there's a place for me to play a role.

00:27:21.800 So, you know, I but the Republican Party is Trump's party.

00:27:25.640 It's just some people aren't ready for it.

00:27:27.200 So it's really it's not left versus right, moderate versus conservative, populist versus globalist.

00:27:32.880 It's really reform versus corrupt.

00:27:34.900 I mean, I think there's massive corruption in the U.S. government, in our system.

00:27:38.840 Yeah.

00:27:39.220 More broadly, Trump was elected on the promise of cleaning it up.

00:27:42.540 You were his instrument to do that.

00:27:44.740 So I think it's fair to say people who oppose that are against reform.

00:27:48.620 Well, if I can, I'd say two things about it.

00:27:51.100 One thing I think, as you've talked about before in lots of issues, President Trump represents a different view of America first is the way it's characterized.

00:27:59.000 But this notion of of believing in ourselves, our citizens, more than other things, including wars and globalists.

00:28:06.120 And I think that I think that's a big pivot.

00:28:07.960 And people feel that, as voters obviously did.

00:28:10.660 But I will agree with you on this.

00:28:12.540 The corruption is not one party.

00:28:14.300 I mean, trust me, I'm the prosecutor.

00:28:15.880 Oh, I know.

00:28:16.300 It's not one party.

00:28:17.000 You know that.

00:28:17.500 But your viewers, it's not one party.

00:28:19.580 When you see $6.7 billion transferred from the EPA to an organization set up a year before, set up by the same leftist, left-leaning, Democrat-supporting folks that ran the housing tax credit boondoggle from the 90s.

00:28:35.720 It's the same people.

00:28:37.040 $6.7 billion.

00:28:38.420 When you see that transfer of money, this is not one party.

00:28:42.540 Both parties are at the trough.

00:28:44.280 And the question is, who gives us the best chance to try to take to take this country back and to fight for it?

00:28:50.360 And it's it's clearly been Trump, but it's an everyday battle.

00:28:53.640 And what are the Republican senators opposed to your nomination?

00:28:57.000 Well, it's funny.

00:28:57.900 As soon as Tillis blocked it, then a guy like Senator Cornyn said, I'm for him.

00:29:03.120 Did he really?

00:29:04.400 We weren't sure until then.

00:29:05.940 And then I think Collins said, I'm looking at it.

00:29:08.000 I'm thinking about it.

00:29:08.860 So I will say that Colin says she was thinking.

00:29:13.160 Well, we know that's not.

00:29:14.360 Yeah, well, I well, actually, I had an issue up here.

00:29:16.240 You know, the U.S. attorney has so much interesting role for D.C., the D.C. U.S. attorney.

00:29:21.580 I went to the DEA and I said, hey, guys, what are we not doing?

00:29:24.840 I would go all these law enforcement.

00:29:26.080 I say, what is that?

00:29:27.000 What is somebody not doing that I could do to help you guys?

00:29:29.300 And the DEA guy said, we got all these marijuana farms in Maine.

00:29:32.460 Chinese drug cartels control Maine.

00:29:34.080 And so they said, we can't get it under control.

00:29:36.160 And the U.S. attorney up there won't do anything.

00:29:37.620 And I said, I'll take it.

00:29:38.580 I'll take the cases.

00:29:39.260 I said, let's figure it out.

00:29:40.220 So I wrote a letter to the Maine governor.

00:29:42.080 And I said, what are you doing about these pod farms that the Chinese are running? 1.00

00:29:45.640 You know, we got to take a look at this because, you know, it's impacting what's going on.

00:29:48.840 And so nothing's progressed yet.

00:29:50.600 What did Governor Mills say?

00:29:51.380 She had some milquetoast response about something.

00:29:54.580 But no, we're looking into it.

00:29:55.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:56.200 But I mean, you know, when you look close, it's a disaster.

00:29:59.080 And she and her administration is really not just looking the other way.

00:30:03.060 They're allowing chaos in this state.

00:30:05.880 Her brother is benefiting.

00:30:06.860 Yeah, it's probably the most corrupt state outside of New Jersey out of 50.

00:30:12.740 So but were there any other senators who went on the record?

00:30:15.860 No, no, they were doing a dance.

00:30:17.200 Look, I mean, McConnell is in fact, McConnell's staff was talking to me about pitching him on

00:30:23.420 the because they weren't a no, a hard no at the beginning.

00:30:25.440 But at that level, in that process, they're all playing a game, right?

00:30:29.560 Until they have to look.

00:30:30.880 Senator Hawley, I'm from Missouri.

00:30:32.500 Senator Hawley said, if you get to the floor, you'll definitely get the vote.

00:30:36.740 Yeah, they're afraid to vote against you.

00:30:37.860 Right.

00:30:38.160 And but he said they're going to be all kinds of machinations beforehand.

00:30:41.780 So to your point, I don't know if Tillis was Senator Tillis was taking one for the team,

00:30:46.520 if he was, you know, killing me to help other people or what.

00:30:49.560 But he was the obvious one that decided, you know, what do you think the real issue was?

00:30:55.840 Why wouldn't Republican senators form, you know, a blue line in support of you?

00:31:01.240 Like, what what was it that made them?

00:31:04.620 You know, I.

00:31:05.940 9-11, you said.

00:31:06.980 I mean, rather 9-11.

00:31:08.220 January 6th.

00:31:08.820 January 6th.

00:31:09.540 I would say that a number of times it was clear that I was not going to be sort of controllable,

00:31:19.200 that I was going to do exactly what I thought and what the president let me loose to do.

00:31:25.140 And I think that that's for the for the, you know, the sort of ruling class.

00:31:30.680 That's the wildest of wild cards.

00:31:32.900 And so a prosecutor who's willing to do that, not controlled by corrupt interests.

00:31:38.580 Yeah, that's the scariest thing there is.

00:31:40.100 Right.

00:31:40.440 So, you know, yeah, but I don't really know.

00:31:43.340 I mean, I, you know, I would have bet that I would have gotten through because President Trump wanted me.

00:31:48.080 So, you know, it's hard to know.

00:31:51.560 I thought some of the other guys that got confirmed had a lot more checkered past.

00:31:55.020 But, you know, it's not about that.

00:31:57.140 Yeah, of course, it's it's never the liars who get in trouble.

00:31:59.960 It's the truth tellers who are the threat, of course.

00:32:02.200 Maybe.

00:32:03.000 For sure.

00:32:03.880 OK, I don't know.

00:32:04.800 For sure.

00:32:06.020 They don't care if you lie.

00:32:07.840 They lie.

00:32:08.820 They love lies. 1.00

00:32:11.140 Their father is the father of lies. 0.88

00:32:12.860 But you are staying on in the administration. 0.97

00:32:17.940 Yes.

00:32:18.400 I mean, it's I hate to say I got a promotion.

00:32:20.820 I don't want to be too Pollyannish, but I kind of got a promotion.

00:32:23.200 I mean, U.S. Attorney's Office, to be clear, it's it's the greatest prosecutor's office in the world, really.

00:32:28.740 It's got all of the city level crime.

00:32:31.700 It's like a D.A.

00:32:32.400 It's a great D.A. office.

00:32:33.660 And then a huge U.S. Attorney's Office with cases all over the world and all sorts of complicated, interesting stuff and a huge docket.

00:32:39.860 I can get to all USAID.

00:32:42.180 All the USAID falls within us.

00:32:43.740 So when you see the fraud that's going on in Europe and, you know, this is all stuff that the U.S. Attorney and trust me, the U.S. Attorney is already looking at it and you can look at this stuff and say because of the jurisdiction.

00:32:53.860 So but it's a big office with a lot of bureaucracy.

00:32:57.240 And so what I basically my new job is focused on weaponization.

00:33:01.460 The docket is the whole world and the country to say, where have they done wrong and how do we go and get to the bottom of it?

00:33:07.660 And so, look, I'm the president.

00:33:09.740 It's a key moment.

00:33:10.540 It's a key moment.

00:33:11.240 The president, trust me, to do this.

00:33:13.860 And so and Pam Bondi has been great about directing us on this.

00:33:17.620 So I'm excited to go over there and and fight.

00:33:20.960 It's amazing that someone in D.C., so anyone who lives in D.C. knows that the city is mismanaged by Muriel Bowser, the mayor.

00:33:28.360 But it's also kind of falling apart.

00:33:30.220 The real estate market has collapsed because of COVID, but also because of crime.

00:33:32.840 Yep.

00:33:33.300 And like they need law enforcement in D.C. and they don't really have it.

00:33:36.840 And yet this woman was so mad at you that she spit, spit on you. 1.00

00:33:42.200 It just tells you the power of the propaganda that Schumer unleashed.

00:33:46.180 That's right.

00:33:46.500 Well, I want to brag for a minute.

00:33:48.900 We shifted a lot of our resources to fight crime.

00:33:52.000 You know, you know this, but 720,000 people live in D.C.

00:33:55.280 Yeah.

00:33:55.840 650,000 live in poverty and a tough setup.

00:33:58.600 For sure.

00:33:59.120 And frankly, they've been getting they've been getting stuck by both parties forever.

00:34:04.140 Right.

00:34:04.360 Of course.

00:34:04.680 So you walk down the street in Anacostia and you're like, I went to do an interview in Anacostia and we pulled up and there's an ambulance and all.

00:34:11.680 And I said, what is that?

00:34:12.360 And I said, somebody was shot there laying there.

00:34:14.060 And we went in to do the interview.

00:34:15.400 It was like, oh, yeah, so he's not going to die.

00:34:16.920 He's going to be fine.

00:34:17.580 So what we did was we turned all of our resources on that side to getting rid of the guys with guns, the bad guys with guns.

00:34:25.120 And we dragged them to federal court.

00:34:26.460 Now, that sounds like it's not that revolutionary, but you start to get in March.

00:34:31.100 We got 18 and April 24 arrested, arrested with guns and off the streets for 700000 people.

00:34:37.960 What they mostly need to know is somebody's trying to help them make it better.

00:34:41.440 Right.

00:34:41.780 And trying to make life better.

00:34:43.040 And crime is down 25 percent and the basics are going the right direction.

00:34:47.240 So but no, no, that's that woman screeching at me and spitting on me was that's a fruit of the environment that says make anyone who's doing something important into someone toxic and we'll get people to be agitated. 1.00

00:35:00.920 And it works.

00:35:01.960 It works.

00:35:02.440 Oh, works completely.

00:35:04.280 The only problem is our side, meaning I think God fearing Americans need to understand.

00:35:08.280 I just told you we've got to get the truth out.

00:35:10.440 You can't sit back and say we're right.

00:35:12.200 That doesn't matter.

00:35:13.180 No, your neighbor is still being inundated by The Washington Post.

00:35:16.460 Right.

00:35:16.800 They're still being told by The Washington Post that somehow it's problematic that I was on RT.

00:35:23.620 I did interviews on RT and that, oh, this is the end of the world.

00:35:26.840 Well, I mean, Swalwell's kind of you went on RT.

00:35:29.280 Yeah, I went on RT.

00:35:30.080 I did interviews on RT. 0.99

00:35:30.900 Did you have a did you have sex with a Chinese communist spy? 0.94

00:35:34.820 I was just going to say, no, I did not. 0.93

00:35:36.380 I mean, I wanted to make clear that.

00:35:38.300 Sorry to ask you personal questions.

00:35:39.240 I want to make clear that.

00:35:40.480 So but my point is that.

00:35:41.480 I loved RT.

00:35:42.200 RT was a great channel.

00:35:43.100 I didn't agree with everything, but I don't know.

00:35:45.280 I've only been told.

00:35:46.380 Going on RT or did you were you the news director?

00:35:48.600 You're just a guest.

00:35:49.300 I've only been told what to say on one network.

00:35:51.580 And that was the communist CNN.

00:35:53.380 They told me I had to say that.

00:35:55.540 But otherwise, so but my point is to your to your to your to your point, we can't rely

00:36:01.280 on the truth.

00:36:03.960 We're not.

00:36:04.560 We are right.

00:36:05.480 We have to, though.

00:36:06.600 And this is where I think there's a responsibility in government.

00:36:08.500 We have to expose the truth.

00:36:10.160 We have to expose it.

00:36:11.580 And if they're not shamed, at least Andrew Weissman can hear his name.

00:36:14.960 Andrew Weissman is truly one of the most despicable figures in modern American life.

00:36:19.640 Mary McCord.

00:36:20.560 Georgetown University.

00:36:21.260 I got in a fight with Georgetown. 0.99

00:36:22.180 You know, Georgetown University's mad at me, filthy, filthy organization.

00:36:25.920 I wrote Georgetown Law and I said to the dean, we're not going to hire your people either

00:36:30.380 for jobs or internships because you're doing DEI after the president said stop.

00:36:34.740 Yes.

00:36:35.220 He wrote back and lectured me on Jesuit ideals, Jesuit ideals and freedom.

00:36:39.540 Now, he went to Yale and Harvard.

00:36:40.980 I don't think those are religious, but I went to, you know, Holy Cross, slightly Jesuit the

00:36:45.660 whole time, St. Louis U, Jesuit, on and on and on.

00:36:48.060 And he lectured me.

00:36:49.020 But here's what here's what happened quickly.

00:36:50.740 Was he a Jesuit?

00:36:51.480 No, no, of course not.

00:36:52.700 He's not even Catholic.

00:36:53.920 Well, maybe he's Catholic.

00:36:54.720 I don't know.

00:36:55.040 But he's lecturing me.

00:36:55.980 And bar complaints are coming in from people saying Georgetown is great.

00:36:59.680 All I'm saying is this. 0.97

00:37:00.980 Georgetown's disgusting. 0.94

00:37:02.140 Well, sorry. 0.97

00:37:03.680 But more importantly, you talk about weaponizing government.

00:37:07.220 You got this Rosa Brooks, Mary McCord.

00:37:10.160 These are the people coming out of Obamaland and they're taking the Transition Integrity Project.

00:37:14.400 Remember this?

00:37:15.180 The Transition Integrity Project.

00:37:17.320 And they're saying, how would we do an American color revolution?

00:37:21.460 Right?

00:37:21.680 How would we do that?

00:37:22.500 And they're laying it out.

00:37:23.340 Remember game planning?

00:37:24.140 They were doing this tabletop.

00:37:25.760 And they're looking at and participating are all kinds of Americans with security clearances

00:37:31.220 and, you know, military background.

00:37:33.820 It's terrifying.

00:37:34.260 And we're supposed to sit here and say, oh, isn't this great?

00:37:36.860 You guys do all of that and we say nothing.

00:37:38.780 And meanwhile, you get hundreds of millions of dollars in American tax dollars to do it to us.

00:37:42.700 So I asked them a question.

00:37:44.140 They got upset.

00:37:44.740 But the point here is.

00:37:46.240 And Rosa, I know Rosa Brooks well, she did that out of Georgetown. 1.00

00:37:50.680 Of course.

00:37:51.120 That's what I'm saying.

00:37:52.000 It's an institute still.

00:37:53.040 She's still doing it.

00:37:53.600 So Georgetown is, I mean, it's had really unhealthy relationships with the U.S. government for many, many decades.

00:38:01.920 I mean, the CIA small arms training facility was on their campus.

00:38:06.020 I know that for a fact because I know someone who trained there.

00:38:08.320 Like they have been, Georgetown is one of those things.

00:38:10.400 It's not a private institution.

00:38:11.980 It's an arm of the deepest of the deep state.

00:38:15.240 And like they're scary and they're supported by U.S. tax dollars.

00:38:18.800 Like it's not a college.

00:38:20.820 Like you want your kid to go to Georgetown.

00:38:22.080 Oh, it goes to Georgetown.

00:38:23.200 Go Hoyas.

00:38:24.540 It's way more than that.

00:38:26.100 People just have no idea.

00:38:27.880 Well, and my point to you is I agree and we have to name it.

00:38:32.200 It's not enough to us to know.

00:38:33.960 We have to say Mary McCord and Rosa Brooks at Georgetown Law.

00:38:38.080 Oh, I know.

00:38:38.680 What they're doing is destructive to the country and people should know it.

00:38:41.920 They're planning insurrection, actually.

00:38:44.240 They speak of it.

00:38:45.180 I know.

00:38:45.660 Using U.S. tax dollars and all these, you know, nice sort of well-meaning Irish Catholic alums around the country who like don't agree with anything that Rosa Brooks says are sending them money.

00:38:56.880 Right.

00:38:57.280 And sending their kids there because the veneer, the skin suit still lives. 0.99

00:39:01.840 Georgetown.

00:39:02.700 Oh, Papu Canada went to Georgetown.

00:39:04.580 Okay.

00:39:05.160 Yeah.

00:39:05.640 It's the fakest place in the United States. 0.78

00:39:07.580 Way worse than Harvard, actually, I think. 0.89

00:39:09.560 Right.

00:39:09.720 Sorry.

00:39:10.620 But fake would be bad enough.

00:39:12.640 Yeah.

00:39:12.860 It's destructive.

00:39:13.640 It's sinister.

00:39:14.360 Oh, I agree.

00:39:14.580 It's destructive.

00:39:15.340 And again, until we have the—if you think it's a debate, if it's a debating moment, then you're in one spot.

00:39:21.800 If you think it's a battle for the future of the country and the world, then you're in a different moment.

00:39:25.620 And that's how I look at what we're seeing going on, and that's why I think some people probably realized he knows how this goes a little more, and so they didn't want me in that spot.

00:39:35.860 But I got another spot, so it'll work out.

00:39:39.300 It's just so revealing.

00:39:41.260 I'll just say it one last time because I can't control myself, that you were torpedoed by supposedly conservative Republicans.

00:39:46.260 I gave a speech on Tom Tillis's behalf when he ran for the first time for Senate, and I sort of think that, like, you're getting one thing, but almost 100 percent of the time, the person winds up to be John Cornyn or, you know, like a super aggressive liberal posing as a conservative Republican.

00:40:03.480 It's so weird.

00:40:04.740 Do you understand the mindset there?

00:40:07.180 No.

00:40:07.560 You know, my wife, who's like you, smarter than me, and so she said the other day, why can't we go back to term limits, you know?

00:40:15.480 Well, I mean, it's this instinct of, there's something about when they're in for a while, they seem to have figured out, they think they've figured out what's better for everyone.

00:40:23.360 I don't really know.

00:40:24.100 Look, one of the problems I hate is, I know you do, is just tell me the truth to my face.

00:40:28.240 If this is what you're doing.

00:40:29.320 Well, that's what I respect about Tillis.

00:40:30.780 At least he lectured you in private.

00:40:32.260 That's right.

00:40:32.640 He did.

00:40:33.060 I like that.

00:40:33.560 And he unloaded on me in private.

00:40:34.860 Well, good.

00:40:35.320 I mean, good.

00:40:35.820 I mean, I disagree.

00:40:37.480 I think a lot of things I've already expressed them, but I admire that.

00:40:40.440 Yeah.

00:40:41.120 So, but I don't know what gets the, well, I do know.

00:40:45.480 The system is so powerful and so alluring and seductive that after a while, you know, I think it's inevitable that even good people are tempted to a worldview that's not as good.

00:40:58.420 Even if they're not tempted to pure straight on corruption.

00:41:00.960 So, it is a problem.

00:41:03.240 There's just so much money.

00:41:04.400 That's right.

00:41:04.960 That's it.

00:41:05.260 It's not power, right?

00:41:06.060 It's money.

00:41:06.480 It's all money.

00:41:06.880 It's money.

00:41:07.420 That's exactly right.

00:41:08.260 But, so, just quickly, I mean, I'm interested as a former resident, longtime resident, about the city of Washington over which you would have had jurisdiction as a chief law enforcement officer.

00:41:20.420 Because it's not a state, but it's a federal zone.

00:41:23.040 It's super complicated.

00:41:25.240 Set up in D.C.

00:41:26.680 But what were you starting to do to make the city safer and more orderly?

00:41:31.440 And what needs to be done?

00:41:32.480 Well, this is really important.

00:41:34.560 And I hope I was actually. 0.95

00:41:36.240 Nobody cares because it's a majority black city, by the way. 1.00

00:41:38.720 It's like all the liberals who are like, oh, I love black people. 0.99

00:41:40.760 They just don't care. 0.98

00:41:41.760 Yeah.

00:41:41.960 They don't seem to.

00:41:42.660 I agree with you.

00:41:43.100 They don't.

00:41:43.600 All right.

00:41:43.980 So, there's a couple of things.

00:41:45.540 One is, and I was just telling Judge Jeanine Pirro.

00:41:48.500 She's really, she's really kind of.

00:41:49.720 I should have said the headline, which is.

00:41:51.280 Yeah.

00:41:51.540 She's kind of into it.

00:41:52.500 She's kind of, she's really into it.

00:41:53.580 And she's asking me all these questions.

00:41:54.700 And I'm thinking, ah, she was.

00:41:56.040 She's the nominee now.

00:41:56.940 Yeah.

00:41:57.080 She's going to be.

00:41:57.580 Well, she's going to come in and serve like I did. 1.00

00:41:59.120 She's going to serve right away.

00:42:00.200 So, she's not waiting.

00:42:01.400 And that's very cool.

00:42:02.760 But I'm a fan of that because why have this, you know, inter.

00:42:06.280 So, D.C. is awesome.

00:42:08.620 I mean, it's an awesome place.

00:42:09.560 As you know, history on every corner.

00:42:11.100 You know, the background of everybody.

00:42:13.060 I did these ride-alongs with detectives.

00:42:14.960 So, I go every corner of the place and you see all these different things.

00:42:18.180 And the people.

00:42:19.340 People are people, right?

00:42:20.140 Of course, they want more for their kids and more for themselves.

00:42:23.800 And I'm from St. Louis.

00:42:26.040 And in St. Louis, I always lived in the city itself.

00:42:28.800 And it feels the same way.

00:42:30.720 A couple of things.

00:42:31.280 One is the violent crime, right?

00:42:32.940 The guns are because Virginia's hard on guns.

00:42:36.640 And Maryland and D.C. are soft.

00:42:39.320 Then you can get away with having guns.

00:42:41.140 Misuse of guns.

00:42:41.960 Misuse of guns, right.

00:42:42.740 So, all sorts of people with all sorts of guns.

00:42:45.280 Can I ask, though, just so D.C. and Maryland have a lot of gun control.

00:42:50.640 Correct.

00:42:51.420 But when criminals use guns, they're more tolerant.

00:42:54.380 Of course.

00:42:54.860 Virginia has less gun control.

00:42:56.360 Right.

00:42:56.840 But is tougher on the illegal.

00:42:58.100 What is that?

00:42:58.820 Well, I mean, that's the whole thing, right?

00:43:01.860 That's the game.

00:43:03.200 You can barely get your concealed carry in D.C.

00:43:05.320 It takes months and months and months.

00:43:06.940 I got one.

00:43:07.700 I know.

00:43:08.000 It takes forever, though.

00:43:08.800 You probably—I brought somebody in the other day.

00:43:10.820 I said, tell me how the concealed carry process is going.

00:43:12.640 They said it takes six months to get an appointment to even get your stuff.

00:43:16.480 I can get you one immediately.

00:43:18.060 Can I say one thing about D.C.?

00:43:19.280 Which is why it's a great city.

00:43:20.120 When you live in D.C., most of my life, you're mad because it's so inefficient.

00:43:24.360 It's totally third world in the way it's run.

00:43:26.360 And then you finally realize, like, wait a second.

00:43:28.220 If I just play along, grease a palm or two.

00:43:31.380 All the right people.

00:43:32.300 Show respect.

00:43:33.060 Yeah.

00:43:33.220 You know, Mr. and Mrs. always.

00:43:35.020 Stuff like that.

00:43:36.060 Like, life is easy in D.C.

00:43:37.700 Yeah, well.

00:43:38.300 It's like living—

00:43:39.020 Not for normal, but not for regular people.

00:43:40.800 No, but like for people.

00:43:41.980 No, it's not even about—it's like, you know, like, why would I—my kids don't have driver's licenses.

00:43:47.500 So I could go through the whole rigmarole or I could just pay someone $400 to get them a driver's license.

00:43:52.120 And you can, boom, get a driver's license.

00:43:53.500 All right.

00:43:53.680 Well, that's good.

00:43:54.500 Okay.

00:43:55.140 I don't know what to say to that except— 0.51

00:43:56.660 It's so corrupt.

00:43:57.460 Let me go back to what they need.

00:43:59.220 They need to stay focused on the violence, right?

00:44:03.160 So the violence is guns.

00:44:04.880 And, you know, look, cash has given us support to try to do some cold case stuff.

00:44:09.640 The FBI has the ability to do more DNA testing to try to get—you know, a lot of cold case stuff is DNA.

00:44:15.960 And if you can go back and look at stuff, rapes especially, and you can do—so there's lots you can do.

00:44:20.400 So there was a DNC employee shot to death in 2016 in Washington, but not robbed.

00:44:28.220 And we're not, like, allowed to talk about or even mention his name, so I won't mention his name.

00:44:32.700 But people I know who worked at the DNC, one person at the time believed that it was a political killing, that he was murdered for political reasons.

00:44:39.600 Will that case be looked at, do you think?

00:44:41.080 Well, I got briefed on it.

00:44:43.120 It's now a while ago time-wise, but there's not a statute of limitations on it.

00:44:48.100 But it's cold.

00:44:49.280 To your point, it's a cold case.

00:44:50.640 There's not—

00:44:51.180 You think there's any evidence that that was an assassination, not a robbery?

00:44:55.060 Well, there's evidence that it was a killing in such a way that, yeah, I mean, that you could say—you can't know sort of why the killing happened, right?

00:45:01.760 It was weird, right?

00:45:02.580 It was weird, yeah.

00:45:03.240 So that guy was killed in D.C., but MPD was taken off the case and FBI took over.

00:45:10.460 Why?

00:45:11.140 I don't know the answer.

00:45:12.620 It's a good question.

00:45:13.460 Kind of weird, though, right?

00:45:14.380 How many days do I have left on the job?

00:45:15.880 I'll go find out.

00:45:16.780 I'll see if I can find out.

00:45:17.360 Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:45:18.980 Things I should have asked.

00:45:20.120 Yeah.

00:45:20.680 But what I want to tell you about, this is important because you're going to see it nationwide this summer, and that's the problem with juveniles.

00:45:26.160 In all these cities where you have Democrats and liberals in charge, they're soft on juveniles.

00:45:31.580 So the juveniles get away with crimes and tougher and tougher, harder and harder crimes.

00:45:36.320 Carjackings.

00:45:37.240 Carjackings, you know, and worse.

00:45:39.700 And so if that's the system, it's happened over and over now.

00:45:42.460 And, of course, the community that they are in has a lot of, you know, the schools are bad.

00:45:47.760 They're not a lot of role models, right?

00:45:49.060 Life is not in a good spot.

00:45:50.200 And you churn this.

00:45:51.340 You've got this situation.

00:45:52.280 And I said to someone, there was an incident down at the Navy Pier, a Navy Yard, where someone was, a bunch of kids, juveniles come in these gangs, and they steal wallets and they get around people.

00:46:02.500 And I said to a friend of mine, he said, oh, yeah, the Navy Pier is like that.

00:46:05.140 And I said, what are you talking about?

00:46:05.880 It's Navy Yard.

00:46:06.720 He said, the same thing happens in Chicago.

00:46:08.260 In other words, every urban city has this problem of juveniles.

00:46:11.240 And the reason why is because we continue to send them back and to keep them in this system that's just so broken.

00:46:16.720 But you can't shoot them when they come up to you and do this to you.

00:46:18.660 No, no, of course.

00:46:19.220 That's right.

00:46:19.620 Exactly.

00:46:19.940 No, it's a disaster.

00:46:21.240 You can't defend yourself.

00:46:22.280 Right.

00:46:22.380 It's a disaster.

00:46:23.000 But I think one of the things that that juvenile question is one that D.C. has to face because it's really – and the older kids, if they were girls, they'd be calling it trafficking because the older boys are trafficking the younger boys because they know they won't get into trouble the same way because they're underage.

00:46:38.620 So that part of it is a disaster, and that falls right on the D.C. City Council and the mayor and the current administration there that hasn't taken it seriously because you just need to lock them up.

00:46:50.760 You need to get them out of D.C.

00:46:52.720 Put them in some place.

00:46:53.440 You could pay to put them in another reform school or whatever to get them out of town.

00:46:57.200 Instead, they let them loose.

00:46:59.000 They don't detain them.

00:46:59.620 Congress could fix that in a day.

00:47:01.540 They could.

00:47:02.060 Because they have constitutional authority over the district.

00:47:04.880 If they wanted to.

00:47:05.820 And Newt, for whatever you think of Newt Gingrich, when he took over in 94, he took over D.C. and made it a much better city and created this massive renaissance.

00:47:12.640 Right.

00:47:13.200 That's right.

00:47:13.600 Why do you think they don't do it?

00:47:14.980 Look, I mean, you're asking too many questions about the Republican Party.

00:47:18.980 I mean, you're right.

00:47:20.200 And the president, I think, is frustrated by the dynamic.

00:47:23.160 I think he wishes that there was more action in terms of taking it over, but that's not been a priority.

00:47:28.400 I don't know.

00:47:28.760 No, I get it.

00:47:29.220 I mean, I think it's fair.

00:47:31.060 I mean, there are a lot of things going on.

00:47:32.520 Yeah.

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00:50:49.660 Can I just press you a little bit on the question I asked before because I think it's interesting.

00:50:53.880 Why?

00:50:54.560 So people who are for gun control tell us that guns are dangerous and bad.

00:50:58.840 Okay, and I disagree.

00:51:00.000 I think guns are a tool.

00:51:01.040 They can be misused, whatever, like a chainsaw or a steak knife.

00:51:04.560 But those exact same people don't seem as concerned when guns are used in crimes.

00:51:12.460 They're only concerned when guns are, like, under your bed or in your gun safe.

00:51:16.800 They're concerned when law-abiding people have guns, not when criminals have guns.

00:51:20.820 What is that?

00:51:22.600 Well, I mean, part of me wants to engage in some philosophical argument with you about

00:51:29.440 what they think.

00:51:30.360 But I mostly think it's what you said earlier.

00:51:32.840 So this is a trend that you noticed.

00:51:34.120 Yeah, they don't really care about these people.

00:51:35.920 I mean, I'm the Republican.

00:51:37.340 I'm the conservative.

00:51:38.080 I'm supposed to not care.

00:51:39.260 They say, you don't care about these people.

00:51:41.180 When I get in this job, I look at it and say, poor people, mostly black and brown, are living 1.00

00:51:45.920 through hell because of the policies that you have, which is to let bad guys go with guns.

00:51:51.340 You and I both would agree.

00:51:52.100 Exactly.

00:51:52.280 If you do something with a gun badly, then you should be incarcerated.

00:51:57.280 Definitely.

00:51:58.000 No problem.

00:51:58.480 Because guns can kill you quickly.

00:52:00.200 So I wish I could say it was a philosophical thing.

00:52:03.200 It's that they really don't care about these people.

00:52:05.860 They don't mind letting the people suffer and letting their communities get destroyed.

00:52:11.080 And the rest of it is just window dressing.

00:52:13.140 There's no other—trying to read people's minds.

00:52:15.700 It doesn't work.

00:52:16.400 D.C. is the only significant city that Republicans could really run through the Congress and

00:52:20.980 through the U.S. Attorney's job.

00:52:22.960 So I feel like the only shot the city has at reform, and in the last 50 years since it's

00:52:27.480 had a home rule, the only time it's gotten better is when Republicans take control.

00:52:32.740 And so I'd just like you to fill out a little bit, like, what—now you're leaving, but what

00:52:36.600 do you think should happen from the U.S. Attorney's Office in D.C.?

00:52:39.200 In D.C.?

00:52:39.780 Well, we started on guns, and then we're going to switch—we're going to switch—keep moving

00:52:43.640 towards other violent crime.

00:52:44.940 Now, the key pivot in this—again, it's down in the weeds a little bit—is to take

00:52:48.360 these gun crimes and then down to rape and assault and go down even to property crimes

00:52:52.900 because you can't have CVS have everything behind lock and key, right?

00:52:56.120 But the two things that we're doing is dragging these cases to federal court because the local

00:53:00.780 court is so bad.

00:53:02.040 The juries are bad.

00:53:02.800 The judges are bad.

00:53:03.500 The system is bad.

00:53:04.300 So you get them to federal court, you got a better chance to have real penalties and

00:53:07.620 a bit more stability.

00:53:08.860 But the problem really is going to be whether you can have the will of the judges to hold these

00:53:14.420 people to the laws, right, and to put them away.

00:53:17.120 But you move along that continuum every single day in terms of addressing crime.

00:53:21.860 The last thing I'd say is that a lot of talk about money.

00:53:24.700 You know, the mayor wants to build a stadium and all these things.

00:53:27.720 Well, they need more cops, and cops cost money, but cops also require that you be on their

00:53:32.020 side, right?

00:53:32.560 Remember when we were kids, being an FBI agent was a big deal.

00:53:35.360 Being a cop was a big deal.

00:53:36.580 Oh, for sure.

00:53:37.240 And now young people don't feel drawn to those jobs, right?

00:53:40.680 So it is hard to get cops.

00:53:42.780 MPD is down probably, I think their ideal is 3,800 cops there at about 3,300.

00:53:47.780 You can say you're going to get all these crimes, you still got to go get cops.

00:53:50.660 And you got to find a way to get people into the system that can be on the streets and doing

00:53:55.080 it.

00:53:55.260 So if you give me my wish list for DC to make it better in the next two or three years,

00:54:00.020 it's continue to actually take real crimes and put them in federal court and then bolster

00:54:05.980 the number of cops.

00:54:06.900 And you can bolster the number of cops as a U.S. attorney just by having their back,

00:54:10.940 right?

00:54:11.260 There's something called the Lewis list, which is what happens if you go to court and you're

00:54:14.720 a cop and somebody claims you lied, they can put you on what's called the Lewis list,

00:54:18.900 which is a requirement that the prosecutors tell a defendant that this guy testifying has

00:54:24.180 had a problem in the past of credibility, but it's abused by the judges and the public

00:54:30.020 defenders to hurt the cops.

00:54:31.840 Well, I said, we're going to stick up for the cops and we're going to try to change that.

00:54:35.580 So you got to stick up for the cops in lots of concrete ways that make the system work.

00:54:40.800 But you've mostly just got to get after the crime and systematically, not hard.

00:54:46.040 You know, Rudy and these famous prosecutors, they did one thing well.

00:54:49.840 They consistently prosecuted crime.

00:54:52.220 They didn't come up with social plans.

00:54:54.500 They didn't come just get a crime, put him in jail, get a crime, put him in jail.

00:54:58.660 Swift and certain punishment.

00:54:59.500 You know, Metro just changed their rules in the city, in the district, the Metro, you know,

00:55:04.140 both the buses and the, and the Metro, the trains that you can get banned from the trains

00:55:09.080 because once you get banned from the trains or banned from Metro, I can then arrest you

00:55:13.200 for a different charge.

00:55:13.920 It could be a felony for coming back in on a ban between, before, between that, before

00:55:18.040 that you could go every day, you could do three felonies, three misdemeanors a day.

00:55:21.900 You could expose yourself in the morning, jump a fair thing in the afternoon and, and, you

00:55:25.900 know, whatever, and so Metro got serious and they were changing the dynamic.

00:55:29.500 That's just plain getting the crimes down and focused on it and, but you got to want to

00:55:33.900 do it.

00:55:34.300 You got to want to do it every day.

00:55:36.380 Well, you have to care.

00:55:37.620 Care.

00:55:37.860 Well, that's the word, the same thing.

00:55:39.260 Yeah.

00:55:40.980 So what, what other cold cases are you looking at?

00:55:43.840 Well, the big one that I was interested in is the, is the, the number of times that you

00:55:47.720 can take DNA that was left behind.

00:55:50.400 Those are a lot of sexual assault and rape and sexual assault.

00:55:53.820 So those are the most obvious ones.

00:55:55.200 There's some DNA cases on guns.

00:55:57.120 If you have a, if a weapon on a crime has some DNA on it, as the technology has gotten

00:56:01.500 more sophisticated, but you can instantly go and, and, and using the databases now and

00:56:06.220 technology, get a check on a DNA from a lot of.

00:56:09.200 Why has no one done that?

00:56:10.420 Well, they are.

00:56:10.900 It's just, it's a process.

00:56:11.900 It takes a lot of, it takes a lot of time.

00:56:13.860 I mean, one of the things you're doing is not everybody's in the database.

00:56:16.220 So you're trying to track back through, but we are doing it.

00:56:19.260 I mean, that's a lot of people on the database.

00:56:21.100 A lot of people are in the database, but not, not everybody.

00:56:23.180 I mean, and, and, um, so it, one of the, well, and so the FBI has been good about, I don't

00:56:28.500 know why they were doing it, weren't doing it before, but the FBI has been great about

00:56:31.180 letting us do it.

00:56:31.980 And so we're, you know, we're tracking that down.

00:56:34.160 Can I ask you a question?

00:56:35.020 The members of Congress, and it wasn't just Tom Tillis, I don't mean to keep beating up 1.00

00:56:38.520 on poor Tom Tillis, an idiot anyway. 0.94

00:56:41.300 But, but like all members of Congress on both sides were very threatened by J6. 0.99

00:56:45.480 That's one of the reasons, you know, it was their building, not the people's house that 0.84

00:56:48.720 belonged to them.

00:56:49.240 And they felt like their space was invaded.

00:56:52.180 They felt their security was jeopardized.

00:56:53.960 I get it.

00:56:55.320 But aren't they concerned that there are like murders taking place within walking distance

00:57:00.280 of their office?

00:57:01.180 I mean, do they care about crime in DC?

00:57:03.740 Did I even mention that?

00:57:04.920 Well, again, you know, Tucker, and look, I think president Trump is like this, how he

00:57:10.060 approaches everything.

00:57:10.960 And I mean, that's how I wanted to serve.

00:57:13.820 And I do, we did exactly what you're saying.

00:57:16.240 We said to everybody on the Hill, come to a briefing on, on safety.

00:57:19.820 We want to keep you safe because the staffers care, right?

00:57:22.380 The staffers are getting assaulted and all.

00:57:24.420 And so, and people, and people, people came to that and people want to hear how we're going

00:57:28.220 to do that, how we can prosecute, how, because law enforcement, again, is partly prosecuting,

00:57:33.320 but it's a lot of showing up and showing force.

00:57:35.500 So people know you're safer.

00:57:37.560 And yeah, I mean, look, I think they care.

00:57:40.940 The question is whether it leads to policy, you know, and again, my job as prosecutor in

00:57:46.020 that office is to get after the crimes as I've got them.

00:57:49.680 And if they're not going to adjust their policies, I can't worry about that on the days, you know,

00:57:54.440 day to day of getting after crime.

00:57:56.540 But I'll tell you what, when I go to, you know, Anacostia or I go to these neighborhoods,

00:58:01.480 they care and they know the U.S. attorney is paying attention to that.

00:58:05.400 And that's probably more important than the folks up on the Hill.

00:58:09.280 I think, I think it is.

00:58:11.280 Tell us what you did with Wikipedia and why.

00:58:14.780 Well, you know, the, um, one of the aspects of, you know, weaponization is what we're talking,

00:58:21.520 what I've been talking about with the new, the new role.

00:58:23.840 I've been on this weaponization working group is when you.

00:58:26.460 Weaponization of the legal system.

00:58:27.620 Yeah.

00:58:27.820 Weaponization of the legal system, but really the weaponization, weaponization of the law,

00:58:31.200 the use of the law to, to hide and, and operate.

00:58:35.060 So Wikipedia has this incredible, 501c3, right?

00:58:38.800 Gets a tax benefit from we, the people.

00:58:41.020 It's a public benefit corporation.

00:58:43.100 You know, the 1950s, they looked at this closely because the Rockefeller Foundation,

00:58:46.800 the Carnegie Foundation had been using their foundations and abusing it.

00:58:50.000 And that's when the law first changed to have 501c3 become a tax code.

00:58:54.140 It was part of the shift, right?

00:58:55.780 So the, the Cox report or the Reese committee or whatever it was.

00:58:58.600 But so we have this problem where these, these Wikipedia has all this money that they use

00:59:04.240 because they're a 501c3, a nonprofit that's supposed to be for the public benefit.

00:59:08.980 Do they, how much, how much do they pay a year in taxes?

00:59:11.140 I don't even know.

00:59:11.800 No, I don't know the numbers.

00:59:13.040 No, they pay no taxes, right?

00:59:14.340 I'm not sure if they pay zero, but they probably say they pay payroll and other things.

00:59:18.020 They have an answer to that, but they, they would be tax exempt under the, under the code.

00:59:21.540 But more importantly, they're obviously biased.

00:59:25.060 They're obviously for, and they're antisemitic is the big one,

00:59:27.840 but they're obviously biased in all sorts of other ways.

00:59:29.980 In fact, as soon as I started taking them on, my Wikipedia page went even worse to hell,

00:59:34.060 you know, in terms of people coming on and editing it, supposedly citizen editors.

00:59:38.400 So there's, there's bias again, information war, right?

00:59:41.920 There's bias here that is against we, the people, in my opinion,

00:59:46.160 but certainly it's bias that's hidden from us because they're hiding behind the law.

00:59:50.100 In other words, they're using the law in a way that is weaponized against certain groups

00:59:55.120 and individuals.

00:59:55.880 And so that's what we basically said to, to Wikipedia is, Hey, let's look closely at what

01:00:00.600 you're doing and how it's operating and see who's benefiting or not benefiting and paying

01:00:04.820 a price.

01:00:05.520 And by the way, as soon as this happens, they get panicked because they know, we know.

01:00:09.360 There's another reason I wrote to a number of the medical journals and I said, you guys

01:00:12.720 are all 501c3.

01:00:14.080 You get big benefits from tax exempt status.

01:00:16.940 How are you balancing, you know, the partisan nature of the work you're doing?

01:00:22.080 How are you abiding by the laws that say that you're not supposed to be picking sides or

01:00:26.820 paid for by one donor or the other, and that they lose their mind because no one's supposed

01:00:31.060 to ask, you know, you're not supposed to ask.

01:00:32.820 It's like USAID.

01:00:34.180 We weren't supposed to ask until this last six months.

01:00:37.440 Why are we spending $400 million in wherever, right?

01:00:40.380 Why is this?

01:00:41.020 We're not allowed to ask.

01:00:42.000 So that's a part of this weaponization thing that I think is underrated.

01:00:47.580 And with Wikipedia, it got a huge reaction.

01:00:49.380 Wikipedia is history now.

01:00:51.860 I mean, it's how people understand the past.

01:00:53.480 That's right.

01:00:54.240 It's in league with Google.

01:00:55.720 So it's the first result on everything.

01:00:58.260 Every noun you punch in gets Wikipedia first.

01:01:01.200 So people don't understand anything that's happened in the world prior to last week except

01:01:05.380 through Wikipedia.

01:01:06.240 So if it's totally distorted, then you change the collective memory.

01:01:10.420 I know, but we're back right again.

01:01:11.640 We started, we're back to the information war, right?

01:01:14.020 It's a war over information.

01:01:15.820 And if nobody, you tell me who, well, let me say it this way.

01:01:21.200 A prosecutor saying that about Wikipedia is vastly different than Tucker Carlson saying

01:01:25.880 it.

01:01:26.260 Well, I agree with that.

01:01:26.900 And so, and that's the point of the job.

01:01:28.600 Wish I was a prosecutor.

01:01:29.600 Well, right, exactly.

01:01:30.420 And that's why Donald Trump, in my estimation, said to guys like me, go and do this because

01:01:37.880 that's, the role is not just to find the right guy to prosecute.

01:01:42.120 We got to do that too.

01:01:42.860 If it, if it rises to that, it's to make clear how off kilter the information battle is because

01:01:50.360 the public doesn't know that, right?

01:01:52.680 They don't have that sense of what's wrong.

01:01:54.220 One, I mean, Wikipedia is a propaganda operation and one of its founders told me that the CIA

01:02:00.040 or the American intel community is heavily involved in shaping the message on Wikipedia.

01:02:05.880 Did you come across evidence of that?

01:02:07.420 Not yet, but that just started.

01:02:08.560 And that sort of opening salvo was about three weeks ago.

01:02:12.580 So Judge Jeanine, I'll have that one on her plate. 0.98

01:02:14.740 But you know, where I'm going, the job I'm going to, I don't have to leave any of that

01:02:18.020 stuff behind.

01:02:18.720 So I can tell you, I thought you were going to go a different direction.

01:02:21.440 And I'll say on the weaponization working group, as it's described by Attorney General

01:02:26.580 Bondi and the president's direction, intelligence community is one of the groups that was weaponized

01:02:31.060 against the people.

01:02:31.920 Obviously, it's obvious.

01:02:33.240 The question is, how are we going to get to the bottom of it, right?

01:02:35.500 How are we going to get to the bottom of some of the weaponization of the government, intelligence

01:02:38.980 community against the citizens?

01:02:40.720 And that's where I'm going now.

01:02:42.960 But we can't tell you it's classified.

01:02:44.260 Well, I think you can tell me.

01:02:45.200 I'm now in the system.

01:02:47.680 Well, we'll see if I can get it.

01:02:48.820 But again, the point of getting-

01:02:51.100 See if you can get what?

01:02:52.180 Well, the point of getting into these positions as a prosecutor is I'm now getting the clearances

01:02:57.520 to be able to get to the level where you can look at some.

01:03:01.280 I know that I still try not to tell you.

01:03:02.840 But that's the point of this fight, is you cannot win the information battle based on

01:03:09.980 what they let you see.

01:03:11.240 It's what you have to find, even in our government.

01:03:14.520 Especially in our government.

01:03:16.140 And I have to say, the classification regimen does not seem primarily focused on protecting

01:03:24.020 national security at all.

01:03:27.100 Right.

01:03:27.540 Exactly.

01:03:28.140 Back to weaponization. 0.99

01:03:29.100 The 51 guys that signed the letter on the Hunter Biden laptop, you'd have to be a fool 0.85

01:03:35.920 to think that's an isolated incident.

01:03:38.500 In other words, if they're willing to misuse and mischaracterize a letter based on their

01:03:44.380 status and the advantage that they have as insiders, that's not the only time they did

01:03:49.900 it.

01:03:50.160 No, exactly.

01:03:50.560 And so the question is, how endemic is the weaponization, right?

01:03:55.260 And we both know the answer.

01:03:56.740 This is back to your point.

01:03:57.700 It's much, much worse than we think.

01:03:59.560 The question is, how do we continually go about getting to the bottom of it?

01:04:04.120 I'll probably get myself in trouble.

01:04:06.440 You in trouble, who knows?

01:04:07.560 One of the ways I ran elections.

01:04:09.620 One of the places I think that is really problematic that nobody has looked at is the certification

01:04:15.340 of systems, right?

01:04:17.000 Certification of election systems.

01:04:19.080 For the record, not saying there's any fraud, but how do you certify?

01:04:22.800 Of course there's fraud.

01:04:23.540 Well, I know, but the election-

01:04:24.320 Look at what's at stake.

01:04:25.380 Exactly.

01:04:26.060 Well, no, no, but even better.

01:04:27.360 Look at how much money it is.

01:04:28.480 That's what I'm saying.

01:04:29.120 Right.

01:04:29.460 Well, okay.

01:04:29.960 But even just the election assistance commission is the entity that certifies machines.

01:04:35.140 Okay.

01:04:35.620 It has no real teeth, but it controls who's certified or not, which means it controls who has the

01:04:41.340 good housekeeping stamp of approval worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:04:46.420 What are the chances that that has been done?

01:04:49.060 Everything else we've seen in government is broken, corrupt, messy, incompetent, or something,

01:04:55.560 right?

01:04:55.900 What are the chances that's the one place where it's totally competent and totally without

01:04:59.180 any flaws?

01:04:59.980 I'm just saying, let's go look, right?

01:05:01.480 And that's what we've got to do to get to the bottom of this.

01:05:04.940 In the same way that the gun control people are fine with gang bangers having guns.

01:05:11.000 Right.

01:05:11.680 The democracy is sacred people are very upset when you want to make sure that elections

01:05:16.900 have integrity.

01:05:17.980 That's weird.

01:05:19.820 I love when you do this Tucker move.

01:05:22.060 It's weird.

01:05:22.440 It's weird only if you impute good intentions to these people, right?

01:05:26.100 I mean, that's, it is weird then.

01:05:28.600 No, you're right.

01:05:29.280 It's totally predictable.

01:05:31.100 I mean, and all around the world, by the way, they're watching this happen.

01:05:34.060 You know, Poland right now, they're in the midst of, they're trying to take Poland out. 0.99

01:05:37.220 Obama is in Poland.

01:05:38.420 There's an election in a week.

01:05:39.380 Of course.

01:05:39.800 Obama's in Poland.

01:05:40.460 I had a whistleblower.

01:05:41.500 Why do you think that is?

01:05:42.460 I know.

01:05:42.980 I had a whistleblower.

01:05:43.180 With Ray Dex Sikorsky and Applebaum's husband.

01:05:45.720 I had a whistleblower come into my office and they were telling me the story that every

01:05:50.600 couple of months, Samantha Powers would arrive with USAID money to this country. 0.60

01:05:56.520 I won't say which one.

01:05:57.280 And I said, do you guys know who Samantha Powers is?

01:05:59.660 Of course we do.

01:06:00.500 She was arriving with the money and she was, and they knew it was a, you know, sort of the

01:06:04.300 beginnings of a, you know, color revolution.

01:06:07.060 It's not lost on the world, right?

01:06:08.620 It's not at all lost.

01:06:09.940 Again, the question is, are we going to get all of it out?

01:06:13.600 Are we going to name it and then hold some people accountable?

01:06:16.040 People say, are you going to walk people out in cuffs?

01:06:18.500 Right now, I'd be happy to have just people know their names, right?

01:06:22.080 I'd like the cuffs later if they commit a crime, but right now people don't even know

01:06:25.360 their names.

01:06:26.120 And the question is whether we can even get through the information storm that we're in

01:06:31.900 to get that out.

01:06:33.660 Well, I mean, the early returns are not good.

01:06:36.440 I mean, John F. Kennedy was murdered 62 years ago and we, and the executive order from the

01:06:41.420 president was January 23rd, two days after his inauguration.

01:06:44.380 And we still do not have thousands of Kennedy assassination related documents.

01:06:49.260 No one wants to say that.

01:06:50.440 I voted for Trump.

01:06:51.260 I love Trump.

01:06:51.660 But like, what the hell is that?

01:06:54.320 Well, that's not on my docket.

01:06:55.280 No, no, no.

01:06:55.940 But it's like, it's the classification laws make it, well, don't make it, by the way.

01:07:02.400 I mean, you can just rule by fiat, which I think someone needs to do immediately.

01:07:06.260 But like, just classify, you know, release the documents or go to prison.

01:07:10.560 How's that?

01:07:11.240 But you can't even get 62-year-old documents released months after a presidential executive

01:07:19.380 order.

01:07:19.940 Like, that's how hard it is to fight these classification rules.

01:07:24.900 Well, and back to say it again, that's the big one you can see.

01:07:30.600 How many are you not seeing?

01:07:31.740 Well, that's it.

01:07:32.000 That's exactly right.

01:07:32.900 That's right.

01:07:33.540 That's what I'm saying.

01:07:34.820 This is not, this is still David versus Goliath.

01:07:37.040 And that's the lowest stakes of all because no one connected is still alive.

01:07:40.780 Right, right.

01:07:41.980 Yeah.

01:07:42.140 It's not, it's not, it's not a crossfire hurricane, which, you know.

01:07:45.000 No, it's not 9-11.

01:07:46.140 Right.

01:07:46.380 It's not the 2020 election.

01:07:48.340 It's not COVID.

01:07:48.980 COVID, right.

01:07:49.620 Yeah.

01:07:49.800 I was just going to say, right.

01:07:50.860 So, I mean, how many people in your experience so far at DOJ have your mindset?

01:07:58.060 Well, most of the ones I work with, I come out of the, I mostly work with DAG's office.

01:08:03.980 You know, that's Blanche and Emil Bove and some of those guys.

01:08:07.460 Those guys, when they turned the lights on on the inauguration day, there was only a handful of us there.

01:08:14.300 And those folks are in the mindset we're talking about.

01:08:17.860 What do career DOJ people think of you?

01:08:19.320 Oh, no, no.

01:08:19.760 They're mostly scared.

01:08:21.140 I mean, they're mostly scared and nervous.

01:08:22.720 And if they're left-leaning or establishment and don't want a part of it, that's one thing.

01:08:28.240 But most of them are just, you know, they've seen this go on to on, right?

01:08:31.700 Our side doesn't win ever.

01:08:33.320 So, you're not going to have people betting with the side that never wins, right?

01:08:36.480 They're not like, oh, my career will be better if I go with those guys.

01:08:39.880 This time, they're like, I did that for a minute back in, you know, 1985, and it didn't work out well, right?

01:08:45.520 So, that's the problem with that.

01:08:47.740 No, it's so true.

01:08:48.720 It's so true. 0.84

01:08:49.580 How corrupt is Merrick Garland, do you think?

01:08:51.540 Oh.

01:08:52.880 The only thing that makes me think he wasn't worse than you can even imagine is he has a bit of a Biden, Joe Biden kind of mentality.

01:09:01.840 There was everything going around him, and he wasn't checked in, it seems like to me.

01:09:05.300 You know, I'm not saying he was mentally off.

01:09:07.060 I'm saying he was a caretaker, and Lisa Monaco and others were running everything.

01:09:11.340 So, you know, he was more, maybe I'm being too generous.

01:09:15.760 He may have been more clueless than willful.

01:09:18.500 I'm not surprised.

01:09:19.420 Yeah, but.

01:09:20.420 Like Mueller was that way, too, I think.

01:09:23.320 Oh, 100%, guaranteed, yeah.

01:09:24.680 Yeah, and when history is written, you know, and I intend to write a whole bunch of it, Tucker.

01:09:28.200 So, when it's written, you know, you watch this, it accelerated under Obama, right?

01:09:32.680 It used to be politicized, I think, and now it's weaponized.

01:09:36.260 That's the pivot that went on, right?

01:09:37.540 It used to be politicized, somebody's advantage or not.

01:09:40.120 Bill Clinton, I think, maybe I'm being too generous.

01:09:41.780 He was sort of politicizing things.

01:09:43.720 It got weaponized, where they're destroying people, putting people in jail.

01:09:47.620 No question about it. 0.99

01:09:48.420 Trying to kill them. 1.00

01:09:49.400 Remember Obama joking about, I'm good at killing people, right? 0.99

01:09:52.020 There was a sense of sort of real disrespect for humanity that kicked in.

01:09:58.440 Yes.

01:09:58.880 And it kicked in and drove through that.

01:10:00.740 That's what Biden, the Biden term is something we barely escaped, in my opinion, in terms of that idea and that destruction of citizens.

01:10:09.560 Against humanity, I completely agree.

01:10:11.560 I completely.

01:10:12.220 What happened to Lisa Monaco? 0.86

01:10:14.040 Well, I think she's at a big law firm.

01:10:15.280 I think I probably, I think I wrote to her.

01:10:16.740 I wrote to her a letter and said, what's going on?

01:10:18.060 We want to check on things, you know?

01:10:19.920 Yeah, she's at a big law firm.

01:10:21.300 She's cycling out.

01:10:22.100 It's all the same.

01:10:22.780 You know, Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco, they, they all go, Lisa Monaco went to NYU recently, gave a speech, probably got paid for it.

01:10:28.140 You know, you know, remember the Vindmans?

01:10:30.560 Vindman got a job, the one in Congress, he got a job at Georgetown for a hundred grand.

01:10:34.000 He didn't teach, but he was some sort of fellow or something.

01:10:36.000 Again, back to Georgetown.

01:10:37.140 This is just a cycle there where they're all very well paid and they talk to each other and then they get ready for the next, you know, effort.

01:10:43.800 Norm Eisen or whoever tells him this is the next way we're going.

01:10:46.480 And so, you know, I think the good news is we do have on our side the truth and we just got to keep fighting for it.

01:10:55.340 And, you know, so we're not positive of cryptocurrency is the future of finance, but we do know that what we have now is broken and dangerous.

01:11:02.860 Debt has never been higher in this country.

01:11:04.640 Many of our so-called leaders are getting rich, serving you.

01:11:07.920 It's a scam.

01:11:08.600 So where does it go?

01:11:10.140 Well, thankfully, there are options.

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01:11:16.600 He's already created the Crypto Advisory Council and recently signed an executive order to establish a Bitcoin strategic reserve.

01:11:23.180 This could give normal people an alternative to the government's failing system and frankly to the U.S. dollar.

01:11:28.920 I'm not saying put all your money outside the U.S. dollar, but like, don't be crazy. 1.00

01:11:32.460 Don't be stupid here. 0.99

01:11:33.220 You can see where it's going. 1.00

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01:12:16.840 So what's on your slate of priorities?

01:12:21.260 Well, Attorney General Bondi, when we started the group, she gave us some real straight marching on.

01:12:26.420 Jack Smith, what he did, which is unbelievable.

01:12:29.600 Unbelievable.

01:12:30.820 Anyway, the Catholics that were targeted, remember the Richmond memo?

01:12:34.220 Very well.

01:12:34.380 How did that happen?

01:12:35.540 J6 is another one.

01:12:37.380 One of her charges on the working group was whistleblowers, the whistleblowers that were targeted.

01:12:42.720 You know, you talk about weaponization, Tucker.

01:12:44.880 Remember the guy that's in jail up in, I think, West Virginia?

01:12:48.500 He's supposedly a lone ranger.

01:12:50.280 He stole all the tax returns and he leaked Trump's.

01:12:53.480 Remember, he leaked Trump's, but nobody paid attention.

01:12:55.780 He also leaked 400 or 500 or 600 or maybe a little more of the wealthiest people in America, mostly conservatives.

01:13:02.160 You know, it's funny how that happened.

01:13:03.600 And then a whole bunch of small businesses, mostly conservative.

01:13:05.940 And I got a briefing on that and I said, this guy acted alone.

01:13:09.540 He didn't tell anyone.

01:13:10.660 And they're like, oh yeah, he's like Snowden.

01:13:11.980 I'm like, are you joking?

01:13:13.200 Are you really telling me he's like somehow he's like the Snowden of IRS tax, you know, because this was weaponized.

01:13:19.180 Remember, it was ProPublica that first he went to New York Times, then he went to ProPublica, which was going hammer and tongs one after another against all these people.

01:13:27.720 Again, weaponizing American law against citizens.

01:13:31.240 So it's that's a bit of a digression.

01:13:34.660 But to say the whistleblowers in the IRS and other places that came forward have been targeted under the Biden administration.

01:13:40.600 So that's another thing that Bondi asked us to do.

01:13:43.980 School boards all across the country when they targeted school board parents.

01:13:47.540 That's another focus for us to look at.

01:13:50.180 But we'll also be looking at, as I said, the intelligence community and broader, right?

01:13:56.920 We've got Crossfire Hurricane is still a big deal, obviously, getting to the bottom of that.

01:14:02.300 They end up overlapping a lot, as you know.

01:14:05.120 But there's a lot to do, a lot to do.

01:14:08.100 When are we going to see the Epstein stuff we were promised?

01:14:09.980 That's another one I'm not, where I am right now, I'm not involved in.

01:14:15.180 You're not diving right in, Epstein?

01:14:16.720 Well, no, I'm happy to help in any way I can.

01:14:20.280 I haven't been in on that, I've not been on that matter now.

01:14:22.720 Do you think the Attorney General Barr promised an investigation in Epstein's death in federal custody in Manhattan?

01:14:29.120 We never got the results of that.

01:14:31.320 Is there some way for the public to petition, like, whatever happened to that?

01:14:35.380 I don't think there's a way for the public to petition, but I think as you ask about it, people will respond.

01:14:40.120 I guess I don't, I never saw that if there was a...

01:14:42.700 No, it was never, they never did the investigation.

01:14:44.720 Oh, they didn't even do it?

01:14:45.600 I don't think they did, no.

01:14:46.560 Oh, that's the first I've heard of it, I don't know.

01:14:48.600 Again, I know that when I got into office, I wanted to talk about the pipe bomb and find out more about the pipe bomb.

01:14:55.320 I also want somebody to, I'm going to get to the bottom of some of the January 6th, remember the gallows, the fake gallows that were built?

01:15:02.020 They're built by five guys who,

01:15:03.620 you can see them on video all over the place.

01:15:07.060 Iconic image used to destroy America around the world, that somehow this was a gallows with a noose.

01:15:13.860 Total fraud, total fraud.

01:15:15.020 What happened to those guys?

01:15:15.920 I don't know, we never found them.

01:15:17.100 We never found them.

01:15:17.660 We never found those guys.

01:15:18.820 In an age of facial recognition, we just can't find those guys?

01:15:21.460 Can't find those guys.

01:15:22.760 Can't find those guys.

01:15:23.600 The pipe bomb question is a really interesting one, and the only reason I think most of us know much about it is a guy called Darren Beattie, who now works at the State Department, thank God,

01:15:32.140 but who reported on it extensively on Revolver News.

01:15:35.720 But that was so baffling and remains baffling because those bombs, whether they're real or not, were outside the two-party headquarters on Capitol Hill, RNC and DNC.

01:15:44.900 So you'd think, like, politicians would really want to know.

01:15:47.400 Why the conspicuous incuriosity about that?

01:15:54.600 I'm with Darren.

01:15:55.460 I mean, before I was in office, I kept saying, how can this possibly be?

01:15:59.200 If you go to any other part of the world and you say the two major political parties had bombs put by their front door, it'd be the story forever, right?

01:16:06.200 Sounds like, you know, just before World War II started, there were bombs placed somewhere, right?

01:16:10.680 I mean, in front of the parties, so I never understood either.

01:16:13.880 And the bombs were, you know, they were sort of rudimentary, but they clearly were, somebody knew what they were doing for the look.

01:16:19.720 I mean, again, it's information.

01:16:20.780 It was an information.

01:16:22.320 Whatever it is, it became a piece of information or a play or information that we haven't gotten to the bottom of.

01:16:28.520 But everyone's sort of like, yeah, whatever.

01:16:30.440 The pipe bombs outside the party.

01:16:32.020 It's, you know, whatever.

01:16:32.940 We've got more important things to worry about.

01:16:34.340 Really?

01:16:34.840 Yeah.

01:16:35.500 Yeah.

01:16:36.600 We'll get there.

01:16:37.620 Will we ever know what happened in the 2020 election?

01:16:43.040 The numbers were weird, I thought.

01:16:45.240 Well, not just the numbers.

01:16:46.820 All, everything about, characteristics of all of the election.

01:16:51.040 And then there was the admissions that the election was fortified.

01:16:56.080 It was intentionally planned to do that in such a way to get results that looked off.

01:17:01.820 Now, does that mean they cheated?

01:17:03.260 We don't have that smoking gun.

01:17:04.400 But we certainly have over and over and over again aspects of things that didn't look right.

01:17:09.020 And we've never had the answers on it.

01:17:10.680 So, yes, we will get to the bottom of it again.

01:17:12.980 This is the point about information.

01:17:15.780 You cannot move ahead if you don't actually know what happened.

01:17:19.700 And clearly, clearly, the mainstream media and the elites told us you have to shut up.

01:17:26.560 You're not allowed to talk about that.

01:17:28.060 Right?

01:17:28.300 It's insane.

01:17:29.240 Oh, I remember.

01:17:30.080 I mean, we all remember it well.

01:17:31.200 I remember it well.

01:17:31.680 And then January 6th was used, in my opinion, to try to shut off the conversation even more, right?

01:17:36.200 Oh, I know.

01:17:36.840 And so, but I do think we'll get to the bottom of it.

01:17:39.140 No, I played video that was from the U.S. Senate, given to me by the U.S. government.

01:17:45.020 And everyone at Fox News was mad at me for playing the video.

01:17:48.220 I was like, why?

01:17:49.060 Really?

01:17:49.340 I thought we were a news company.

01:17:51.020 No, I remember that very, very well.

01:17:54.220 Do you think that we will see people held accountable?

01:18:00.420 Yes.

01:18:00.740 For this?

01:18:01.140 Okay.

01:18:01.380 Yes.

01:18:01.860 Yes.

01:18:02.480 Yes.

01:18:02.880 I mean, I wish it was faster.

01:18:05.520 I feel the same frustration, right?

01:18:07.060 Getting people arrested faster and prosecuted faster.

01:18:10.300 You know, I wish it was fast.

01:18:11.180 We're 120 days in, 115 days in.

01:18:13.800 And where I sit, I can tell you, I was there pushing on key issues.

01:18:18.060 I'm in the middle of a bunch of them.

01:18:19.720 Judge Jeanine will keep them going.

01:18:21.280 It's harder than you think to move fast enough.

01:18:23.500 I agree with all that.

01:18:24.360 But there will be accountability.

01:18:25.880 There will be, the truth will be known.

01:18:27.680 People will be accountable.

01:18:28.760 And as importantly, by the way, people that have been damaged will be healed.

01:18:32.720 They will be given either pardons, like the president's done for a lot of people, or other things.

01:18:38.520 I think, you know, we have a set of people that have been targeted by the government that deserve to be helped.

01:18:47.100 And that's going to be part of this.

01:18:48.420 Guaranteed.

01:18:49.920 Hmm.

01:18:51.620 By the way, that did make them mad.

01:18:53.060 I will say this.

01:18:53.840 People ask me in all my interviews at the Senate, they said, are you for reparations? 0.99

01:18:57.580 I said, hey, that's a stupid term that was used about. 0.96

01:19:00.400 But I am for when somebody gets wronged and destroyed by their government that they be taken care of. 0.99

01:19:05.620 That they try to make them whole insofar as they can.

01:19:08.460 That's only fair.

01:19:09.100 By the way, that's not Strzok and Page getting a million dollar payout, which is what they got.

01:19:14.660 By the way, that's another form of weaponization of government when you have Biden administration and Strzok and Page transferring wealth to each other based on an agreement.

01:19:22.960 That's completely, completely, completely inappropriate.

01:19:25.740 On what basis did they get a million dollar settlement?

01:19:27.780 They sued because they were hurt about how their texts were released to the public.

01:19:32.320 And then the Biden administration said.

01:19:33.400 My texts were released to the public.

01:19:34.080 Don't give me a million dollars.

01:19:35.980 Maybe give me a call.

01:19:37.180 No, give us a call.

01:19:38.960 But so getting to the bottom of that kind of stuff, that kind of conduct is another part of this thing.

01:19:43.720 So it's but it will it almost feels like it can never end because it's so, you know, the weaponization against the citizens began a long time ago.

01:19:55.440 But we really started to see it under Biden.

01:19:58.100 And they they they accelerated the conduct, as you can see it, you can see the memos, you know, Merrick Garland and target the Catholics.

01:20:04.760 Right. And and go after the school boards and and Jack Smith, Jack Smith took he used a grand jury in D.C., which is famously, you know, favorable, favorable to the Democrats to do almost all of his work.

01:20:20.860 And then he flew down to Florida and basically transferred it down there for lawyers.

01:20:25.660 This is like unheard of stuff.

01:20:27.900 And everybody goes, oh, yeah, you know, Letitia James and these the way the conduct happens and people go, oh, yeah, you know, by the way, one one thing to talk to preview the lawyers, the bar associations and the targeting of lawyers is another way that they've weaponized government against people.

01:20:44.780 You know, they they you know, you can say what you want about Rudy or something.

01:20:49.400 We've never had the system weaponized against lawyers for doing their jobs.

01:20:53.800 Right. It's never been like that.

01:20:54.980 Again, it's it's indication of something wrong with why are you so upset about the election?

01:20:59.320 There's a reason. Exactly.

01:21:00.720 But also it's it's also inappropriate as a matter of public policy.

01:21:04.880 Those organizations are all 501C3s.

01:21:07.300 They're all protected by law.

01:21:08.960 They're all basically monopolies. Right.

01:21:10.900 So they're so you're sitting here where you got the D.C.

01:21:13.060 Bar Disciplinary Council is basically doing Dick Durbin's bidding.

01:21:17.120 Every time Dick Durbin says something, he'll be a complaint against me.

01:21:20.460 He'll do it against Judge Jeanine.

01:21:21.680 And you're like, wait a second, this is not the system that we're supposed to have.

01:21:24.980 So it's another one that's weapon to govern the weaponization of the law against the citizens to the detriment of the country.

01:21:31.700 I've known a number of smart, high testosterone, reform minded people who come to D.C. to make things better, who get destroyed.

01:21:41.000 Well, right.

01:21:43.300 You've been reading The Washington Post.

01:21:44.780 I haven't been. I haven't read it in years.

01:21:47.040 OK.

01:21:47.220 But I've just seen this happen to a lot of people.

01:21:52.020 So, I mean, just on the basis of what you said over the last hour, I think you're going to be the target for, you know, a lot of efforts to destroy you.

01:22:00.320 It's been going on, though, for a while.

01:22:02.260 I mean, maybe.

01:22:03.460 I mean, look, Phyllis Schlafly, for whom I worked, there's this famous exchange where she's given a speech and she says, Clarence Thomas said to her, how do you keep going, Phyllis?

01:22:11.960 You know, she said, how do you keep, he said, and she said, there's a prayer, she says, you know, that she would always say, from the malignant enemy, defend me.

01:22:20.140 It's one of the Catholic prayers, you know.

01:22:21.840 And, you know, look, we're so blessed, you know, this, you have the same attitude to be in this country, to have so many opportunities, and people deserve, our families deserve to have a future.

01:22:33.920 And so, this is the fight that we're in.

01:22:36.680 And, you know, they've said terrible things for about a month.

01:22:39.540 My wife doesn't watch TV, which is great, doesn't read the papers, thank God.

01:22:43.080 My kids do a little bit now, and they're not quite as convinced that I'm as good a guy as I told them I was before.

01:22:49.740 But, no, no, it's a battle.

01:22:53.080 It's a fight for the future.

01:22:54.620 And so, some of us are going to take a bit of a beating, and we'll keep going.

01:22:58.840 You wonder where this is going.

01:23:00.100 I mean, if Obama weaponized the government against people who didn't vote for him, and Joe Biden brought it to the next level and just threw hundreds in prison, what's the next Democratic administration going to look like?

01:23:14.120 Well, that's fair.

01:23:15.740 I thought you were going to say something different.

01:23:17.860 You know, the one thing I tell people all the time is one of the reasons you have to care to de-escalate the rhetoric is it is leading.

01:23:24.860 You can see it's leading to it.

01:23:26.280 I mean, people are spitting on me on the sidewalk, right?

01:23:29.480 This is not normal behavior.

01:23:31.840 Mr. Mace, you knew who you were.

01:23:33.400 Well, I know.

01:23:33.780 That tells you a lot.

01:23:34.780 Well, that's a – yes.

01:23:36.640 I mean, I knew who you were because I followed this stuff.

01:23:38.920 But, like –

01:23:40.040 But I think that the – it can lead to – when people start to lose power, you see the desperation, right?

01:23:51.120 You see the – and to me, that's the one thing you start to notice.

01:23:57.660 And so, yes, it could be really terrible on a Democrat administration.

01:24:01.000 Imagine, you know, what it's like for, you know, President Rahm Emanuel when he puts in, you know, Attorney General, I don't know, Adam Schiff and what the heck that's like.

01:24:10.680 It feels like we've gone to the bottom and maybe, you know, finish a thought that I had earlier that I didn't get to finish, which is it feels like a lot of people that were good people before, you know, 100 years ago again, back to the 100 years ago, good people.

01:24:24.320 Just had good morals, cared about each other, fight, fight, fight, but be honorable on the same side.

01:24:29.280 That doesn't seem as common right now, right?

01:24:31.380 That there's some people that really are not good people that are just disagreeing.

01:24:35.120 They're really not good people.

01:24:36.720 And that's dangerous, right?

01:24:39.600 That feels – you can feel that sometimes.

01:24:41.500 And I think that's a worry.

01:24:43.020 But it's something that we have to live with and work through and pray about and try to build the community about to see.

01:24:49.880 Ed Martin, I really appreciate all of this.

01:24:52.440 Great to be with you, Tucker.

01:24:53.120 Thank you very much.

01:24:54.300 Thank you.

01:24:54.700 Thank you.

The Tucker Carlson Show - May 14, 2025

Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump

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