The Tucker Carlson Show - Erik Prince： CIA Corruption, Killer Drones, and Government Surveillance

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00:00:26.300 at tucker carlson.com here's the episode we had this pattern for years of taking of hoarding tape

00:00:34.600 like you do ammo yeah like i don't even shoot 7.62 by 39 really it's just not i'm not that interested

00:00:40.540 but i have you know like i it's it's unimaginable how many steel case rounds i have like why do i

00:00:46.540 have those because i'm crazy just in case it's like so the the prepper if you have and not need

00:00:52.340 the need to not have i totally agree with that yeah but i'm not rational about it like i'm sure

00:00:56.560 you who's like equipped an entire private army is you're pretty rational about it i'm not i'm like

00:01:02.180 i'm not exactly sure i need i don't give a shit gold ammo you know whatever i just want to hoard it

00:01:07.680 and um because i feel you know i can feel all this stuff and tape is the same way the dudes with guns

00:01:15.140 yeah are not a match for dudes with drones

00:01:18.840 so if you're if you're the kind of person i'm not you know naming names or identifying myself by name

00:01:26.900 but if you're the kind of person who sees a deal on steel case 7.62 by 39 you're like i need another

00:01:31.560 10 000 rounds because in your gut you feel like something you know volatility is coming how point

00:01:37.780 is that pointless i've just been uh reading a book called firepower which is a history of basically

00:01:45.940 a history of gunpowder and you track the change of warfare going from spears and longbows to the

00:01:53.300 wheel locks match lock muskets flint locks artillery with bursting rounds and i read that to try to

00:02:00.260 understand we're now through a massive step change because you know um despite all the techno

00:02:07.620 wizardry of the u.s military the best weapon the enemy had was an ied yes i noticed and now the

00:02:13.700 and the ieds would be positioned along the road and clacked off remotely now the enemy can fly the

00:02:19.940 ied at you at 120 miles an hour low to the ground even in a highly jammed environment so the threat

00:02:29.060 highly jamming there's there's no way to stop the city highly highly jam right even because the russians

00:02:33.220 are really good at jamming yes and the ukrainians yeah they've developed they've innovated taking a

00:02:38.660 cheap racing drone like with the goggles that somebody wears fpv drone and you put a a beer can

00:02:44.980 size charge that you can 3d print the casing for it in the field with a little copper disc on the front

00:02:51.380 of it and drive that into the back of a tank and for fifteen hundred dollars you destroy a two million

00:02:58.420 dollar tank so that is like having a sniper rifle versus a guy with a longbow it's a step change in

00:03:06.580 warfare and we're there right now and the longer this combat goes in ukraine the russians are getting

00:03:13.140 a lot better ukrainians have too but they're just trying to you know the the battle is the ultimate

00:03:20.820 cauldron of learning yes and bad ideas are quickly destroyed and discarded and and so the proliferation

00:03:28.340 of that knowledge is staggering so what are we learning from watching i don't think the us

00:03:34.500 military is learning much oh good no learning well no the problem is the the us weapon systems aren't

00:03:41.780 even that high demand because they're not that effective in that highly jammed environment for 20

00:03:47.780 years of global war on terror you were fighting against a very comparatively unsophisticated enemy

00:03:53.860 now in a big state-on-state type war the us systems are not holding up you know the javelin missile

00:04:01.380 which ja which raytheon sells to the taxpayers for two hundred thousand dollars a shot with a three

00:04:07.380 hundred thousand dollar command launch unit the ukrainians can only use that for the first shot

00:04:13.140 in a uh in an ambush because their ir detector if they shoot the first tank the tank is very hot it's

00:04:20.420 burning if they try to shoot a second and third missile the other missiles go for the very hot

00:04:25.380 spot on the battlefield they can't even discern so then the ukrainians shift from a two hundred

00:04:30.020 thousand dollar missile from the americans to one that they build themselves for twenty nine thousand

00:04:33.940 dollars and it works just as well and it's delivered on a drone delivered on a drone or from

00:04:39.060 an anti-tank missiles yeah so there's the the the super high dollar american stuff is not doing so well

00:04:45.940 in that battle space so i would assume i mean the world is watching this potential future adversaries

00:04:52.820 are seeing on display american military capability and we should be concerned as taxpayers and as

00:05:02.340 citizens that all this money we've spent we have not gotten very good value for in the same way but

00:05:08.340 doesn't it doesn't it display our our vulnerability too if our weapon systems aren't working in ukraine

00:05:14.500 why would they work in other parts of the right aren't we sort of showing our hand

00:05:18.660 look some of the stuff works well but at what cost right because you know the houthis are using a

00:05:25.300 twenty to fifty thousand dollar drone to attack commercial shipping or u.s shipping in the red sea

00:05:31.300 gulf of aden uh and the us has to shoot that down with not one but two missiles that cost two

00:05:37.460 million dollars a piece so you're costing us four million dollars to shoot down a fifty thousand

00:05:42.420 dollar drone bad math so even in washington dc why wouldn't because this is on display and the world

00:05:48.100 is sort of watching why wouldn't military planners in the united states be taking notes and adjusting

00:05:54.740 accordingly because the money flow keeps on going the same way with no accountability and no

00:06:00.980 uh no self introspection no learning look who who got fired who got punished for a complete debacle

00:06:09.860 in afghanistan where over 20 years we replaced the taliban with the taliban

00:06:18.100 yeah and nobody's been fired the only guy that got fired was stu scheller what a good man the young

00:06:22.180 marine who stood up and said enough that's right because if because if one of his marines

00:06:26.420 shell went to jail i know it because if he said look if a couple of my young marines lost a rifle

00:06:31.700 on the rifle range they would be punished we lost we left 80 some billion dollars worth of military

00:06:37.220 equipment and turned over the country to a terror organization and everybody's been promoted and

00:06:42.820 everybody is just it's business as usual that's a problem this kind of incompetence is not going to

00:06:50.580 end well so i mean i've i've too many questions and i do want to circle back to your initial point

00:06:56.020 that warfare is completely different to step changes you said but how on this thread how does

00:07:02.260 the u.s congress how do people who claim to support our troops back the military strong defense the

00:07:08.100 liz cheney wing of the of the congress like how do they keep sending money to an organization that's

00:07:14.900 increasingly incapable of defending the country i spoke to a bunch of members yesterday morning uh in

00:07:21.300 congress and they were at the point of despair because they're trying to restrict the money and

00:07:27.060 to bring some accountability and they said the the money is the the the amount of money that is

00:07:33.860 sprinkled around the capital by the defense contractors by the effectively the brigades worth of

00:07:39.540 lobbyists thousands of lobbyists spreading tens of millions of dollars around politicians and they just

00:07:46.740 keep the money train going it's it's really disgusting and the big thing i and the article

00:07:52.420 i wrote recently i'd said um you know in rome like when the romans lost a whole bunch of people at the

00:07:58.980 battle of cannae yes when their senate met a couple weeks later it was 40 percent undermanned why because

00:08:04.980 the roman elites actually served in the military and bore the consequences of failure our elites don't

00:08:12.740 serve in the military they have very little skin in the game or no skin and so for them it's about

00:08:18.020 it's it's about money and grift or their children serve in foreign militaries um so just back back to

00:08:24.980 the technology itself which you've been watching all your life because you've been around it all your life

00:08:29.380 um i think you had the world's largest private air force at one point is that true

00:08:34.180 uh we had 73 aircraft that uh we owned and operated and flew into garden spots for for the us

00:08:42.980 it was fun um so what i i was just at a blackwater reunion uh last weekend um and uh we had it at

00:08:52.180 the alamo uh and it was just it was really cool standing there on hallowed ground um because i didn't

00:08:59.380 realize that across the street from the alamo is the menger bar and that's actually where teddy roosevelt

00:09:05.460 started the rough riders so there's all kinds of rough rider memorabilia in this bar raising a glass to a

00:09:11.860 great american um and if i'd convinced trump to change policy in afghanistan to prevent the debacle

00:09:18.740 which ended up happening i was going to call that unit the second u.s volunteer cavalry

00:09:24.340 the first volunteer u.s volunteer cavalry was the rough riders sam one hill exactly this was going to

00:09:29.380 be two usv it would have worked afghanistan would be stable we would have we would have saved america the

00:09:35.220 embarrassment yes uh and and really that i'd say a a uh a pivotal moment for a massive collapse in

00:09:43.540 american credibility and deterrence and it would have cost five percent of what the u.s was already

00:09:48.340 spending so why couldn't i remember that very well and in my memory you were not making the case for a

00:09:56.180 forever occupation you were making the case for a sensible drawdown that didn't destroy the all

00:10:02.820 all the conventional forces could have left right 90 of the contractors could have left there would

00:10:08.820 have been a small stay behind special operations force six thousand contractors that's it um and and

00:10:15.700 would have kept accountability for the tens of billions of dollars of u.s equipment that was

00:10:19.380 already there and would have kept the government upright and you know there's now every al-qaeda

00:10:26.580 every every crazy terrorist organization has set up shop there in afghanistan again where you've not

00:10:31.380 heard the last of afghanistan it's really sad why and i remember again i remember that in fact i think

00:10:35.940 we talked i know we talked about it at the time and it seemed it seems sensible it seemed kind of

00:10:40.340 non-audiological practical how do we get this is kind of a clusterfuck how do we get out in the best

00:10:44.820 way possible preserving our own interests to the extent that we can why didn't the administration

00:10:50.180 the trump administration take you up on that i would say the same neocon perpetual war

00:10:56.660 presence in washington that wants to do it the same way um that we've been doing for decades and i

00:11:03.300 would argue losing doing that yes and it's about it's about money and power and perpetuation not about

00:11:09.140 actually having a putting a bow on a bad situation but how do those people as they inevitably do

00:11:16.660 seize the moral high ground in the in the opening moments of the ideological battle and position

00:11:22.420 themselves as like the champions of freedom and human rights when in fact they're monsters like how

00:11:27.300 do they how do they get away with that every single time i think it's a direct result of the all

00:11:31.940 volunteer force which seems a good idea i'm still supportive of it but it means it's a very um the

00:11:40.020 people that actually serve that bear the cost of these overseas efforts is maybe one half of one percent

00:11:46.260 of the population serving three or four percent know that one percent and then 95 of america has no clue

00:11:53.700 and no skin in the game and so they're easily bullshitted by the uh the posturing jackasses in washington

00:12:00.100 that's yeah that's why dan crenshaw has a job um so i just want to get back to to the technology

00:12:05.620 because i'm just i'm interested on behalf of all people who sense turmoil ahead and are say stockpiling

00:12:11.140 ammo right i think there are people like that um is that fruitless given the technologies

00:12:19.620 um i would argue for taiwan for example facing a possible invasion or issue from coming from

00:12:29.700 mainland china the best thing they could do is build a home guard because a well-armed well-motivated

00:12:36.900 people i guess as we showed in afghanistan as the taliban showed the u.s military yeah well-motivated

00:12:43.300 people even using weapons that are 70 years old can still beat the superpower with all the techno

00:12:49.300 gimmickry yes uh it's not the steel in the ships that make a great navy it's the steel and the men

00:12:54.500 right the steel and the crew but are you ever going to see another war between states that's

00:13:04.580 won or lost on the basis of artillery tanks i mean is that are those the cavalry charges of today

00:13:13.700 artillery is still the king of battle as ukrainians are learning the hard way and the russians have gone

00:13:18.020 from you know if you shot at the russians a year and a half ago it would take them about an hour and a

00:13:23.620 half to shoot back accurately yes to geolocate um and to coordinate with their fires you know

00:13:31.060 fire control centers to shoot back now they're down to about two or three minutes so they've learned

00:13:36.820 and they're coordinating and they've gotten a lot better and it is wrong for us to assume that our

00:13:42.420 kung fu is all that good right now and what role did drones play going forward to the extent you can

00:13:48.660 predict and imagine it very significant um you know people say the tank is dead it's gone forever

00:13:56.260 it will go just like chariots were the attack helicopter of 2000 years ago uh there'll still

00:14:04.340 be a role for tanks but people are gonna have to figure out how to knock down the swarms of incoming

00:14:08.740 drones with hard kill and soft kill etc um it is always gonna you know warfare is going to ebb and

00:14:15.940 flow but the ability to program very sophisticated devices that fly very fast that are very hard to

00:14:21.540 kill you know the the first strategic offset after world war ii was nuclear weapons yes we had nukes

00:14:27.700 then the russians did and then it was about tonnage then the second offset was precision weaponry now

00:14:34.740 everybody has precision weaponry so i would argue that the third offset that the u.s should try to pursue

00:14:40.660 uh dominance and we're far from it is in an ai drone innovation application and i would say the

00:14:48.980 most innovation that's happened has been in ukraine and russia right now and we are way behind because

00:14:54.420 again washington procurement people the the appropriate people in congress keep spending money

00:15:01.860 in the same way on the same stupid cartel of defense contractors

00:15:05.380 uh with the same failing results when at the bleeding edge of battle actual innovation is

00:15:12.900 happening by dudes in their garage in ukraine that are fighting for their lives and they've

00:15:18.980 innovated but um and we and we ignore that to our to our detriment so these are countries with

00:15:24.260 fewer marketing majors and more engineers coming out of there right yeah they've marketing

00:15:29.620 major is bad at creating drones they've done well at stem yeah they have done well and they're smart

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00:16:17.460 will not regret it what can what will drones be able to do do you think going in 10 years what will that

00:16:23.700 look like you could load a face and between network surveillance and the the facial recognition on that

00:16:33.460 drone find one person and fly into that person's head that fast seriously yeah so identity management

00:16:41.460 privacy will become even more uh essential you think about how many cameras how much data is being

00:16:49.940 constantly collected everywhere from street cameras from door knock from doorbell cameras from facial recognition

00:16:56.660 at the airport um privacy is really under attack well yeah well i've noticed and and now tsa has decided to

00:17:07.540 take your photograph every time you walk through i went through yesterday and they had a you know stare into the screen and will assess your face i said to the guy is this mandatory

00:17:16.420 and he said no it's not and i said fuck that i'm not doing that and he goes i agree with you

00:17:24.900 okay i mean but like what is that why are they doing that uh data aggregation because they can

00:17:33.540 so it's not a good sign when your own government is gathering data on you is it

00:17:38.100 like why would they possibly need that well think about what what what what chipped our founding fathers

00:17:46.020 off right paying some taxes on tea and yeah land taxes and i mean i guess our idea of um uh of what we

00:17:55.540 will resist over in terms of liberty and government intrusion has been very steadily eroding and now it's

00:18:02.020 i would say increasingly a steep curve of dissent yeah and it does seem like the purpose of politicizing

00:18:10.580 the military and making it left-wing anti-white pro-trans all this stuff which i think the right

00:18:16.180 just sort of says well that's gonna be less effective military it's bad they make fun of it

00:18:20.260 but that seems way darker to me i mean it does seem like it's being weaponized against dissent in the united states

00:18:28.020 i i think you know the military was one of the most trusted institutions for sure and and i saw

00:18:37.220 already even in the 80s i mean look i went to the naval academy in 1987 and i left after a year and a

00:18:45.460 half because i found the political correctness and the nonsense already then on the double standards

00:18:52.820 that were pursued by the academy leadership while saying there are no double standards

00:18:58.020 i just found ridiculous what were the double standards i remember going to the uh the o course

00:19:04.340 the first time and they said there's this is one height of a wall to get over for one gender and

00:19:10.180 one height for the other one and they said all the standards are all the same but wait a minute they're

00:19:14.100 liars so yeah so just let's if you're gonna if you're gonna call it the same then be the same but

00:19:19.540 at least let's be consistent and so the and the amount of recruiting for specific sports teams of

00:19:26.420 people that were completely unqualified to be there or to be naval officers was staggering i love the

00:19:32.100 navy i just didn't like the a school run by the federal government so you i didn't fully realize it

00:19:39.700 so you made it through the first year where people drop out yeah no i i left halfway through my sophomore

00:19:46.820 year i finished my finals so you did the hard stuff and you still dropped out yeah it's not that hard it's

00:19:52.740 just you have to have a high tolerance high tolerance for bullshit that's all yeah yeah that's

00:19:58.260 dropped in you i noticed yeah yeah but i and i rolled to hill still so you know went quite the opposite

00:20:06.420 to one run by the federal government to one that accepted no federal funding at all interesting so

00:20:12.420 even in 1987 why didn't anyone say anything about it because women don't fight different wars presumably

00:20:17.780 it would be the same war so that's like very obviously insane look i had no issue with women

00:20:24.580 being at the academies but at least make equal enforcement that's all if it's gonna be you're

00:20:30.820 gonna call it the same then be the same that's fine and but i what i also found i went to hillsdale and

00:20:36.660 i joined the fire department of the local town and i learned more about small unit leadership there

00:20:43.380 than i did in the very artificial learning lab that was the academy why'd you join the fire

00:20:47.140 department in college because it was cool because it was fun come on i got to do a lot of things in

00:20:51.140 life but driving a fire truck to a fire lights and sirens is definitely in the top five how many

00:20:57.220 kids in your class were in the fire department none not since then it's been more of a thing but i was

00:21:02.900 the first one ever at hillsdale to join the fire department and it was convincing the gruff

00:21:09.380 firefighters and it was a full-time part-time so there's a couple of full-time guys but the rest were

00:21:14.180 like a butcher and a trash truck driver and building contractors so convincing them that this snot nose

00:21:21.940 college kid was okay to go through a burning building with them was there was no small uh admissions

00:21:27.860 process one of the things i think is most interesting about you which i know you hate to talk about but

00:21:31.700 um is the fact that you're from an affluent family and so you didn't actually need to do any of that

00:21:36.500 at all so why did you do that uh sense of mission sense of service and mostly a sense of adventure

00:21:46.980 so you never thought like you know we're rich i don't need to this is just nonsense i'm going to

00:21:52.340 no that was never bum around europe for the summer never part of the equation why no i didn't know

00:21:58.100 i did i got married uh between my junior and senior year and i took a long honeymoon and we went through

00:22:04.740 eastern europe but the funny thing is we uh through eastern europe what year was that that was 91. that

00:22:11.700 was as the whole soviet union was yeah i got married that year i remember and we went to um we went on

00:22:17.140 the baltic liberation tour with pat buchanan and lou rockwell from the venesis institute and we went to

00:22:24.260 lithuania latvia estonia uh and we visited the government buildings which were still surrounded and

00:22:30.820 occupied by soviet interior ministry troops but they'd had free elections so it was fascinating

00:22:35.540 to see a place literally at the inflection point of embracing what month in 91 was this that was may

00:22:42.180 okay so i got married that summer also and i went to the mid-ocean club in tuckerstown bermuda

00:22:48.180 it seemed more romantic than estonia what did your wife think your young bride think when you're like

00:22:52.900 we're getting married but actually the honeymoon is in eastern you're in this like the hellscape of

00:22:57.300 eastern you're honey do you know anything about stalinist architecture i'm gonna show you we road

00:23:01.380 tripped through but it was it was really funny i'll never forget um babe buchanan bought an entire

00:23:07.700 uniform off of a soviet border guard a captain for 20 bucks and we were at a restaurant and

00:23:15.140 comes back with a whole uniform on the hanger and 20 bucks and as we're leaving the country another one

00:23:18.900 of our group had a uh luggage that you have to put through the scanner and uh

00:23:23.860 um you can see in the scanner it looks like there's a manhole cover in his suitcase there's

00:23:29.380 this huge disc the soviet border guard opens the thing this is a very big problem well how much to

00:23:36.020 make the problem go away 50 it was an entire bronze bust of lenin that had been yanked off a building and

00:23:42.500 my our friend was exporting it so i thought you know if they're selling lenin for 50 off a government

00:23:48.500 building this is not long and in fact it was i think it was in august two months later it was done

00:23:54.100 that's incredible um so my final question about the drones i mean is it is it a crazy thing to

00:24:03.140 consider the possibility that the government might employ this technology against its own citizens

00:24:08.420 deploy it against those citizens if they're putting people people are still rotting in prison for

00:24:12.900 protesting at the capitol on january 6th if they're putting a woman got four years in prison yesterday

00:24:18.980 for protesting outside an abortion clinic it's a government at war with its own citizens

00:24:23.700 so why wouldn't drones be part of that um entirely possible how hard are they to shoot down with say a

00:24:30.580 12 gauge uh that's actually one of the uh it's a big problem for the small fpv drones they're so small

00:24:37.300 and small hard so hard to hit it's almost like hitting a uh a ptarmigan very hard to hit that

00:24:42.580 bird very fast very fast i know you love bird hunting so i try to correlate it to you know or

00:24:47.860 maybe a very like a quail on cocaine oh it's that tough yeah it sounds kind of sporty so what is the

00:24:54.260 defense so if nets nets nets nets are nets are a cheap simple defense for small fpv drones because

00:25:02.980 that's a small charge if you can keep the charge away from the target the the small charge doesn't

00:25:08.740 have that much effect but you know p for plenty you can always increase the the poundage my sense

00:25:14.020 is that police departments and state police have drones now for surveillance yes for surveillance how

00:25:20.820 hard is it to to alter a surveillance drone to become an offensive weapon well the ukrainians and

00:25:28.260 the russians have done that in their garages or in a tent on the edge of battle pretty easily okay

00:25:34.340 so why wouldn't i mean if you care about living in a non-totalitarian country if you care about america

00:25:40.980 why wouldn't someone say actually no we're not you know we're just going to pass a federal law

00:25:45.300 that no law enforcement or intel agency or the u.s military these things cannot be used domestically

00:25:51.140 against americans period under any circumstances or certainly not armed or surveillance like why do you

00:25:56.180 need you know what i mean look for for stopping a mass shooter or some actual terrorism event

00:26:04.900 it provides good situation awareness and it protects the cops who are trying to do an honest job

00:26:12.020 but the the the leakage in the same way that the forever wars of iraq or afghanistan

00:26:18.340 and all those surveillance tools that the government tells us they need to protect us

00:26:22.900 the the danger is certainly some of that tech on the arm side leaking back to be used domestically

00:26:28.180 that's a i don't see any effort by the u.s government to stop mass shootings in fact they

00:26:32.260 seem to be abetting them and time and time again you find in the small print in the write-up after the

00:26:39.220 shooting that the person has been detained repeatedly by some branch of government you saw in uvalde the

00:26:44.020 cops refused to go in and save the kids as they were being executed etc etc there just doesn't seem any will

00:26:48.900 to stop mass shootings or seems to be instead yeah but i don't see that i i don't the uvalde one was

00:26:54.020 not a i would say that's not a top-down federal conspiracy that was that was not top that was

00:26:59.300 individual inadequacy of training and readiness because there's because there's dozens of other

00:27:03.780 ones where the cops have just been spectacular like in nashville yes but then you see the political

00:27:10.820 correctness of them being reluctant to release the the the the writings of this trans shooter who

00:27:18.580 was out to kill christians right so great individual valor by those cops bad by the cop leadership

00:27:26.820 or the law enforcement leadership by not releasing the truth let's have a massive disinfecting effect

00:27:32.820 of truth on this situation so for sure but there's no will obviously in the media to get to that

00:27:39.300 information so it's left to like people on x to do it but i mean you've been in and around the

00:27:44.100 government since you were 18 and shipped off to annapolis so do you think it's fair for the rest of

00:27:49.460 us who haven't to be skeptical of massive increases in government power particularly military and law

00:27:56.180 enforcement power that are justified by some threat like we should be highly skeptical yeah mass shooters

00:28:04.660 child molesters human traffickers islamic terrorists like i don't think the government does a good job

00:28:10.660 of protecting us from any of those things but they've certainly increased their power and their

00:28:14.820 power to kill me and my family on the basis of those threats more on poverty more poverty we're on drugs

00:28:21.300 more drugs more on terrorism didn't go so well right um and and just to that i know we're jumping

00:28:28.980 around but i i have too many questions but um maybe we both suffer from a little ad yeah well i mean

00:28:33.780 there's just a lot to go through so you were at the center of the war on terror um more than any other

00:28:38.980 american i would say oh well how i mean we had we had our shoulder to the wheel pushing like everybody

00:28:44.900 else i'm just but the the scale was you know i don't think there's ever been a more effective

00:28:52.020 military contractor you know in a war that i'm aware of in the united states than black water which you

00:28:56.580 started and ran so but you know you were subject to the policy makers as well and as in the afghanistan

00:29:04.980 withdrawal not one of them not only was not like indicted or punished but not a single one of them

00:29:09.860 sort of lost a step in career advancement they all kind of went on to the atlantic council or whatever

00:29:14.820 or their board seats or their board seats on the big defense contractors so how since you watch that

00:29:20.420 how did that happen like how did tory and newland go from dick cheney's office to being like the number

00:29:25.780 two person in the state department overseeing the war in ukraine like that's just crazy to me

00:29:32.180 uh because it's at that it's almost a uniparty it is the party of big government yes big washington

00:29:40.420 and more spending and more warfare and a hundred percent wrong the guys that you serve with um in

00:29:49.460 the seal teams and that you know who you've been around in the subsequent 30 years like how do they

00:29:54.500 feel about that like guys who did you know three or four deployments or more the guys that actually

00:29:59.140 paid the cost that's exactly right of bad policymaker decisions yeah where their friends commit suicide

00:30:03.540 and they didn't get see their kids grow up or they got killed or lost a limb like those guys yep what

00:30:07.860 do they think they're disgusted they're angry they're righteously angry because it they believe in

00:30:15.060 the republic when you when you join the military you swear to defend the constitution against all enemies

00:30:20.020 foreign and domestic and you kind of join thinking all those enemies are going to be abroad but

00:30:26.100 some of the enemies of liberty are probably here and and when when a elite enriches themselves and

00:30:33.380 separates them from the realities of consequences of accountability that's a that's a pendulum that

00:30:39.700 swings out far but nature has a way of swinging the pendulum back to the middle and so that either it

00:30:45.620 gets done in within the rule of law and accountability or things can come apart very quickly frighteningly

00:30:53.220 it's part of the accountability is informal it's social pressure which is very effective shame exactly

00:30:59.460 and humor we need first of all we need to just laugh at the freaking incompetence i'd say when you when

00:31:06.020 you track um i made the last deployment on the uss america an old uh it was a fuel fired aircraft

00:31:17.380 carrier and they used to uh everything is measured on an aircraft carrier especially the landings

00:31:24.500 because it's all about the aviators and who has the best uh launch and recovery especially the you know

00:31:28.820 the trap so they measure which which why are you catching everything so once a month there's a thing

00:31:33.140 called the folksal follies which is the front of the ship below the flight deck where the the chains

00:31:38.980 come out of the belly yeah and so all the air wing and the the senior ship's crew would muster there

00:31:45.780 and they'd go through all the scores but then it would go through the most merciful merciless roasting

00:31:52.580 of anybody it was the most vicious humor i've ever seen in my life like guys who screwed up the landings

00:32:00.420 screwed up the landings the xo the co it was no holds barred it was fantastic it was hilarious

00:32:07.460 and very healthy and but now that you've you have a much more politically correct military

00:32:13.780 you can't do that at all they don't do that anymore nope no but i mean if if you can't land

00:32:23.780 an aircraft on a pitching deck of an aircraft carrier i mean you put your own life the hardware

00:32:30.180 and the lives of the sailors at risk correct right right so the stakes could not be higher high stakes

00:32:36.820 very important mission literally lives on the line and it's good to to reinforce good behavior and to

00:32:45.940 punish bad behavior and and and shame and derision of your peers matters so looking back since again

00:32:55.540 you were so close to what was happening during that whole period or at least until maybe 2012 but for

00:33:01.700 the critical years you were like right there who who do you blame most for the mistakes made in

00:33:08.500 afghanistan and iraq and the subsequent wars who are the villains who shouldn't get board seats

00:33:16.020 look any we went through like 18 different commanders 18 different four-star generals

00:33:22.340 over the course of afghanistan a lot of four-star generals we have as many generals now as we did

00:33:28.420 in world war ii when we had 14 million men under arms so now you have 10 of that

00:33:34.580 so you have basically 1.4 million under arms versus 14 and we have the same amount of flag

00:33:40.820 officers so yeah we are massively overstaffed and you think about all the in this i mean they have

00:33:48.740 all chiefs and no indians each four-star general has a personal butler and a valet and a driver and

00:33:56.500 a cook and all those kind of uh quaint 18th century habits of staff that they surrounded military

00:34:03.460 generals with we have that yet for our general back when generals were brave though generals got killed

00:34:07.860 in the civil war yes and not so much now so it's just it's just enormous the the the the there there

00:34:17.540 can be a massive winnowing of of head count across the board in generals in staffs and in civilians the

00:34:26.740 tooth to tail ratio of the military of like how many when you say teeth people that put warheads on

00:34:33.380 foreheads versus tail has gotten way out of whack we have way too much tail like an alligator-sized

00:34:40.020 tail with a salamander-sized bite that's it's just it's so unbelievably corrupt so but but again but

00:34:47.860 again no it's it's it's corrupt because we just keep throwing money at it and no one ever calls

00:34:53.940 bullshit a business that goes through a massive growth cycle everybody can get fat and sloppy and

00:35:01.780 lazy because you just there's always more money and there's we never have to tighten a belt and so

00:35:06.020 the the us military has been on like a a um crispy cream bender of donuts

00:35:15.700 compounding amount of donuts consumed every day and no one's ever tightened them up and saying all right

00:35:21.220 today we're just pt and we're not eating donuts that's across our entire government but especially in

00:35:27.300 the military which is supposed to exist constitutionally to defend and deter and and i don't think

00:35:33.940 we're we're not getting the money that we're spent we're not getting the value that we're spending money

00:35:37.860 on right now no it seems we're at a point where it's dangerous yep um and it does seem i just want

00:35:42.900 to restate i i don't know this as a dead certain fact but i can feel it very strongly i think the

00:35:48.180 purpose of it is to keep you know i think i think the enemy that they're seeking to fight lives here

00:35:53.300 i mean i think this is a political i think the policymakers feel that way they're very anxious

00:35:58.180 to control any instrument of force i would argue

00:36:05.860 it's about for for the defense contractors they just want to keep selling expensive weapons right

00:36:12.580 and they will keep paying politicians to keep buying the expensive weapons

00:36:16.260 i almost feel i don't feel sad for the for the white house as they deal with a problem like in

00:36:22.980 yemen where the houthis have become long-range pirates and have shut off the entire red sea

00:36:28.660 like 50 of global container traffic flowed through the red sea now it doesn't

00:36:33.460 egypt is losing 800 million dollars a month

00:36:37.460 it in lost toll fees from from container traffic and all those ships have to go all the way around

00:36:43.140 south africa now to make it to europe coming out of asia it's a big problem and i'm sure the navy the

00:36:49.380 or the the the dod policymakers only provide the administration with the 50 and 100 billion dollar

00:36:58.580 solution to go beat down the houthis to make them behave and in that article i wrote i just come back to

00:37:07.940 there's such a constant rejection of market-based private sector solutions because the saudis and

00:37:14.500 the israelis actually had this problem back in the 60s when uh there was a war in yemen and they hired

00:37:22.260 david sterling the founder of the sas he went there with 30 guys and they kicked ass and it worked and it

00:37:29.060 was cheap and simple and practical and in in this article i wrote uh just is a is a litany of those kind

00:37:36.500 of rejections and that's my frustration because i provided a lot of those options even to deter the

00:37:42.420 ukraine war in the first place you know um when um it's pretty i i my internal intel sources gave me

00:37:52.820 pretty good idea that already in december of 21 three months before the invasion that the russians

00:37:57.940 were going to invade that it was not a it was not a song and dance and so i wrote a paper proposing a

00:38:05.540 combination of land lease and flying tigers to deter the war because in 1940 when britain was really

00:38:14.020 in it the u.s gave 50 destroyers a bunch of aircraft guns gave it to the brits we also provided

00:38:21.220 aircraft and allowed u.s pilots to take leave and go to work for the nationalist chinese to stop the

00:38:27.780 japanese from bombing cities called the flying tigers yeah in this case and we armed stalin

00:38:32.900 yeah and made it possible to go from moscow to to berlin to to stop the nazis but

00:38:43.620 biden could have done one very simple thing he could have announced

00:38:47.700 okay no war necessary in ukraine they're never going to join part of nato but they're at least

00:38:52.340 going to have an air force because there was already 200 aircraft set to retire from the u.s air force

00:38:58.500 to be flown to the desert in 2022 50 f-15s 50 f-16s some a-10s already written down to zero value to

00:39:07.620 the taxpayer they're going to be flown to the desert to the boneyard and parked for eternity

00:39:12.260 transfer those to ukrainians would have been less than a billion dollars prevent the war

00:39:18.980 and the discussion of nato done but they wanted the war obviously

00:39:22.340 apparently apparently why or they or they believe their own bullshit that they

00:39:27.860 that their powerpoints and their posturing would dissuade look i i understand why the russians get

00:39:35.380 ornery about it because if if the the russians the chinese were looking to make uh the northern

00:39:42.020 provinces of mexico into active parts of a chinese or russian alliance we'd get ornery about that

00:39:48.740 well obviously yeah right they're putting if they put you know look at what happened when they put

00:39:54.100 missiles in cuba in 1962 but missiles in tijuana it would be unacceptable right

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00:41:41.620 so my question is and this is all complex and delicate and you know i understand to some

00:41:47.460 extent but what i don't understand is sending kamala harris to the munich security conference

00:41:52.340 and saying at a press briefing with cameras rolling to zelinski we want you to join nato

00:41:58.100 you only say that if you want a war you want the russians to invade like why would they want that

00:42:04.180 i i

00:42:08.180 maybe maybe they're just that dumb i don't think and i think they are dumb i mean they're well

00:42:13.780 they're definitely tony blinken i mean really dumb having a rock concert in kiev

00:42:20.900 during massive combat operations while the ukrainian army is getting crushed

00:42:24.340 he just who he just visited and he's up there on stage video he's up there on stage with his guitar

00:42:30.820 it's like that is nero fiddling while rome burns here it is

00:42:43.060 so yeah i mean he's a child obviously um and and like an angry destructive child but what happens

00:42:54.660 like where does this go we send another 60 billion dollars to ukraine

00:42:58.900 most of that money goes to five major u.s defense contractors yes to replace at five times the cost

00:43:06.340 what the weapons cost that we already sent the ukrainians meaning you know if we send them

00:43:10.660 something that was built 10 years ago well now it's going to cost four and five times as much

00:43:14.820 so again it's a massive grift paid by a pentagon that doesn't know how to buy stuff cost effectively

00:43:21.220 it doesn't change the outcome on the battle the the as as the fields dry

00:43:26.500 it's may now coming up on tank season the was it tank season again

00:43:31.860 weather still matters in warfare and um you know if you have a a wet snow covered farm field

00:43:42.980 it's very muddy very gooey not great for tanks mud season mud season i think the russians call it the

00:43:49.300 great rasputitsa the great slush yeah that's done now and uh as june comes it'll be game on and i think

00:43:57.540 the russian bear is hungry and uh and they're gonna have a time so the war should have been ended

00:44:03.940 never should have started they should have made a deal froze the lines six months into it well that's

00:44:10.500 right but the biden administration believed that uh all this american weaponry would have saved the day

00:44:19.700 it hasn't and it's ugly and you know the russian the russian commanders are not idiots

00:44:26.900 they know their history the battle of kursk which happened just north of where the fighting is now

00:44:32.500 was the largest tank battle in history it was the last offensive effort of the of the german army

00:44:37.780 against the the soviets and they tried to push from the north and south on this salient it was a bulge

00:44:45.300 and the russians knew they were coming and so they built lots of lines of defenses it's the same thing

00:44:50.100 they've done that that they did last summer which ate up all that equipment and now the ukrainians

00:44:56.820 are very thin they've had a lot of corruption issues all the defenses that were supposed to be

00:45:00.420 built by the ukrainians are much smaller or non-existent and so now it's allowing maneuver and

00:45:06.100 especially as the tanks as the fields dry and you can maneuver it's going to be a very ugly summer

00:45:11.860 very what do you think the russians want

00:45:13.620 uh i'd say now they want to absolutely humiliate the west and make sure that they never have a

00:45:21.220 problem with ukraine again and that seems achievable i'm afraid so what happens to ukraine

00:45:30.420 i don't know if it survives as an independent country if they take odessa if they take the

00:45:34.260 ability for ukraine to export its grain um that really threatens the long-term economic viability

00:45:42.020 maybe maybe it goes back to look western ukraine used to be part of poland right eastern ukraine

00:45:48.420 used to be part of russia so you know maps maps move depending on um you know military victories

00:45:56.020 drive diplomatic breakthroughs so you think right now the russians are winning and they're going to

00:46:00.420 have a very good summer is there anybody who's knowledgeable on the subject who believes ukraine

00:46:05.540 can quote win which is to say push russian troops all the way back to the to the old russian border

00:46:12.180 well i didn't really believe it ever oh i know that but i i don't um i don't know who's advising

00:46:19.860 the white house at this point or who they're listening to but um they probably need to

00:46:24.260 change out their advisor list but so then you have the secretary of state our buffoonish

00:46:29.620 secretary of state tony blinken um boomer parody uh showing up and telling the ukrainians during his rock

00:46:37.780 concert that you know we're with you forever like how could you say something like that when i've

00:46:42.740 never met a single person who knows anything about the region who thinks ukrainians will achieve victory

00:46:47.300 no matter how much money we send them how could you say something like that it's good money after

00:46:51.540 bad and all we're all we're doing now is facilitating the demise of of ukrainian men and destroying them

00:46:58.580 for future generations so how many have died i i've asked members of congress who are funding this

00:47:02.980 stuff hundreds of thousands but but why here's what i understand if you're paying for this war which the

00:47:08.900 united states is the u.s congress is mike johnson is don't you have a moral obligation to know its

00:47:15.140 consequences like how can you just how can you get up there with a ukrainian lapel pin and talk about

00:47:21.780 the brave ukrainian people who are being killed by the hundreds of thousands and you don't even

00:47:24.900 keep track of the casualties like aren't you kind of a monster for doing that i don't understand and

00:47:29.780 you look at if you if you made the pictures of the modern battle space on the front a little grainy

00:47:35.940 and black and white yep it's indistinguishable from the battle of the somme or world war one well

00:47:41.140 that's what exactly right artillery a grinding crushing pointless loss of humanity but it's being

00:47:48.900 abetted by our policy makers like they they they're responsible for this to some extent like what and

00:47:54.580 and it's it's shocking how uniparty government has become you don't seem shocked that they don't care

00:48:01.300 about how many ukrainians have died they don't care about how many u.s troops die really good point

00:48:07.300 no it's totally fair point because they because they'll send they'll send u.s troops to war with

00:48:12.020 a whole bunch of cockamamie rules of engagement and policies and it's just not a serious way to wage

00:48:18.100 warfare the the the the whole premise of g watt was that we could by surgical by american magic and

00:48:25.940 precision we could always just clip off the head of the snake and the whole body would die of the snake

00:48:31.300 and that's just that flies in the face of every kind of warfare when you look back to world war ii

00:48:38.980 we killed off 30 of the german male population world war one same american civil war same uh the the

00:48:47.700 the continental wars in europe in the 17 1800s back to the punic and peloponnesian wars you destroy

00:48:54.340 their manpower the logistics and their finance this cutting off the head of the snake is a fool's errand

00:49:00.020 is there any precedent for it in history no so i thought a sort of a key component of education

00:49:06.820 at the military academies was military history no i'm serious and you i mean you're a living example

00:49:13.780 of it you you went to one and you know an awful lot about your business i didn't read i didn't learn

00:49:18.740 that at the academy really no no that's a lifetime of curiosity i i was a military history geek as a

00:49:26.260 kid when we my family went to normandy when i was 11 and uh you know i was the tour guide sword gold

00:49:32.980 juno beach pegasus bridge all that yeah i was i was that but i mean nerdy geeky kid so do you think

00:49:39.380 your average like modern flag officers just sort of not aware of the history of warfare i'm sure they get

00:49:45.860 some level of it but they have not made it a career i i'd say the best book i read on general

00:49:53.780 officers was that one it was a british military study it's called the psychology of military

00:49:58.420 incompetence and it and it went through five of the biggest disasters in british military history

00:50:05.380 like the surrender at singapore yeah khartoum yeah khartoum baghdad yeah in world war one of course

00:50:11.780 the afghan withdrawal yes um into peshauer yes and and it went and it compared it literally looked

00:50:19.780 through the guy's childhood where he went to school his relationship with his father all the rest and

00:50:26.020 very consistent themes and what were they um they were very bookish very geeky not uh not self um

00:50:37.700 um no introspection yeah so they're tony blinken basically i are just not not a people able to say

00:50:47.060 okay this is not working we're gonna we're gonna attack we're gonna attack the boat because the

00:50:52.100 this is not working in this direction and so they're weak men in other words

00:50:58.180 yeah look the the anomaly of patent is doesn't occur very often

00:51:04.420 uh patent who's been maligned since his death um remarkable human being um and of course you know

00:51:12.740 hollywood is i don't know how many movies they've done telling us patent was bad um but you know

00:51:17.460 there are some suggestions that patent was also murdered do you think that that's possible

00:51:21.940 it'd be a hell of a difficult well i don't know if the traffic accident the jeep rollover yeah yeah but

00:51:27.780 it was an accident but then but he survived it and then died later yes i i man i don't know but

00:51:34.180 he hated the soviets he hated communism oh i know so i don't want to get too far afield here but

00:51:41.540 i i that does seem like a pivot point in world history where that war you know april 1945

00:51:48.100 hitler kills himself berlin is occupied by the russians etc etc we we win in europe and then we sort

00:51:54.980 of like kind of pivot toward the soviet union for a few years until maybe the rosenbergs or yeah

00:52:00.420 really before well and even the amount of communists agents that were surrounding roosevelt

00:52:04.980 oh well yes well harry hopkins literally a communist soviet agent yeah right so um

00:52:12.980 like why did that happen like how do we fight this war for freedom and then wind up sort of handing

00:52:19.700 poland to stalin for example or on the side of the totalitarian handing all of those countries of the

00:52:24.340 war of course yeah it showed uh so how is this a war for freedom if we're handing an exhaustion of

00:52:30.420 moral leadership yeah i think who was that who do you think if we could hold one person responsible

00:52:36.740 for that truman was president yeah roosevelt was dead so as churchill said he died in the traces

00:52:43.460 but i think um i i think when you look at history the the lie of socialism communism it is such

00:52:54.260 a it's it's easy for elitists to love that paradigm because it's because the because the right wing

00:53:01.380 austrian school economics approach is massive decentralization yeah decision making at the

00:53:08.340 micro level a farmer knows what prices are has a good idea what demand is going to be decides whether

00:53:15.700 he's going to plant more acres that that year or not and takes that risk himself the soviet planner says

00:53:22.820 i need everyone to plant this many acres and we're going to do it at this price and it's it's the lie

00:53:28.260 of individual incentive versus massive central planning to the betterment of elite thinking right with it

00:53:36.660 with the grift that goes with it and that's just a that's like a mind worm disease that so many people

00:53:43.140 continue generation after generation continue to fall for yeah it's a mom-based system whereas

00:53:49.220 the let the farmer figure it out it's a dad-based system yeah it's true yeah what are you a farmer

00:53:54.980 like how do you know like that's what your dad says your mom's like no let's let's get it all

00:54:00.420 sorry but that's why i'm i i i'm so excited to see melee having success in argentina

00:54:07.220 for a guy and maybe it's analogy to to america because he got sick i mean you know at the end of world

00:54:13.700 war ii cap per capita living standards in argentina were higher than switzerland yes

00:54:19.700 paranistas socialists take over they run the company they run the country basically off the

00:54:25.060 cliff hyperinflation economic wreckage terrible melee gets sick of not only the paranistas but

00:54:32.260 the pathetic so-called right-wing opposition which is not opposition he starts his own political party

00:54:38.020 and he wins i mean i like any guy that'll campaign with a chainsaw i agree with that you think that'll

00:54:44.500 happen here i don't think the republican party is really that salvageable anymore no because it's been

00:54:53.060 gobbled up by corporatists yes and the you know the defense industry now spreads money equally

00:55:01.780 right and left not even really right just across the washington insiders uh so yeah maybe an entirely

00:55:09.140 new political movement that's why trump is transformational because he kind of came

00:55:12.980 outside the republican party right and did it and um i hope he can i hope he can move the needle

00:55:18.980 somewhere in the right direction because it's it's teetering so i got to ask you a personal

00:55:22.900 question we were in the middle east together not that long ago and i noticed two things

00:55:27.060 one um you flew coach to the middle east um which obviously you don't need to do but you did it on

00:55:34.420 purpose i think you that is your custom um we're the same age three weeks apart and i think most like

00:55:41.380 why would you do that and the second thing i noticed is you went from there to some

00:55:45.860 far more obscure part of the world um so like explain those things if you would i um

00:55:56.180 um when i i got out of the seal teams earlier than i wanted to i loved being a seal i was pretty

00:56:03.700 good at it i think and um i would have had a nice career going there for those who don't know the

00:56:08.740 story if you explain why you got out oh my dad died um and when i was 25 and my wife got cancer

00:56:17.300 no i was 26 he was 29 and she got cancer so i got out to sort out the home front and that's really why i

00:56:22.820 started blackwater just as a way to stay connected to the seal teams um i knew nothing of business

00:56:29.060 nothing of land development nothing of government contracting but i kind of knew what the special

00:56:33.700 operations community needed and building that business was um it was a really great experience

00:56:40.820 it was it was family policy for my dad to not come and work in the family business after college

00:56:47.140 you had to go do your own thing i had nothing i i didn't want anything to do with this business i was

00:56:51.940 not i don't think i was really suited for it and um but i was going to come and work with him after

00:56:57.940 12 years or so of being a seal starting blackwater building it was one of the most satisfying things

00:57:04.100 i've ever done in my life because bringing together people with great talents that were really good

00:57:10.580 that they'd gained in the military and they'd retired or gotten out

00:57:13.300 and having it smashed the way it was really left a bad taste in my mouth and i would be honest i carry

00:57:21.060 a big chip on my shoulder yet yeah and i try to keep it in perspective so look i had a business that

00:57:27.300 was crushed and lost thousands of guys lost their lives their limbs their mental health their spouses

00:57:32.580 over a badly run war in two theaters by idiot washington elites same idiots that smashed my business

00:57:40.180 um so yeah i got a chip on my shoulder to do something big and effective and spectacular again

00:57:47.940 and run hard until that happens or i'm or i die trying but i mean you know 54 55 year old guys who've

00:57:54.580 been successful which you have been despite having your business smashed they don't fly coach like

00:57:59.220 what is that is that like a just a spartan impulse or you just don't get there soft you get there at

00:58:03.060 the same time yeah but it's i could talk tucker i fly so much that anyway it look no this is weird i

00:58:12.900 know we're the same age i know how this look i'm not i'm not an app i'm not a purist i do fly business

00:58:18.980 class 10 of the time i mean that's that's fine if you're flying to fort lauderdale from dc or something

00:58:26.660 but you know dubai's a long way i just think it's very very interesting learn to sleep in any position

00:58:31.860 so that's what it that's what it is yeah yeah i like that what's the weirdest place you've been

00:58:36.980 recently why are you always in africa um what do you do for a living eric

00:58:49.860 i feel like i know you're pretty well i'm not really sure i would say there are lots of countries

00:58:55.300 countries that um need help organizing with the basics of tax collection and security assistance

00:59:05.780 and border security and uh police advisement because what we take for granted in america

00:59:13.940 if you want to start a business in america you can call a law office in delaware get a business in

00:59:20.420 two hours for 200 bucks it's simple and you can get title to your land here and you can get a bank

00:59:25.940 account you get a business license you can you can do all those things that make capital formation

00:59:31.220 possible there are so many parts of the world that's not possible and so providing them the very basic

00:59:37.220 means of a reliable police department or the means to stop gangs jihadi gangs criminal gangs whatever

00:59:48.260 so i do provide some advice to countries how to do that from time to time

00:59:52.900 i i judging by what little i know of your travel schedule it seems pretty frequent that's interesting

00:59:59.460 so since you are everywhere all the time um and most americans are including me sort of only dimly

01:00:06.500 aware of what's happening around the world name three places we should be paying more attention to

01:00:10.740 now than we are the chinese communist party has been very active in mexico um the fentanyl crisis

01:00:21.780 is very much you know last year fentanyl in america killed like 109 000 people yes

01:00:27.140 um it is funded organized logistically facilitated by the chinese communist party to move the precursor

01:00:37.300 chemicals that are actually made near wuhan china shipped to the venezuela or mexico fabricated into

01:00:43.380 fentanyl and basically blended with other common drugs that people are taking and it doesn't make

01:00:49.940 any sense to do so because why would a drug dealer want to kill his customers that's what's happening

01:00:56.180 and it is an absolute it's a you from the ccp against the west for the opium wars of the 1840s

01:01:06.340 and it's done to to murder american children 100 yes and just to be clear these are not junkies who

01:01:13.620 like took too much these are kids who are calling them off instagram yes or a uh uh a bootleg percocet

01:01:22.740 or something yeah exactly exactly and so they're people dying and that is you trace that and i can

01:01:29.300 show all that going right back to mainland china why wouldn't why are we sending all these armaments to

01:01:35.860 ukraine and we could bomb those facilities in mexico if they're if killing excuse me 100 000 you don't

01:01:41.620 you don't you don't you don't need to bomb fire is an underutilized tool

01:01:47.540 that's true what's happening here i noticed there are quite a few manufacturing and agricultural

01:01:52.260 facilities that seem to be going up in smoke in this country yeah

01:02:00.580 the swamp in washington has closed in on the supreme court to muddy its future with plans for

01:02:07.300 court packing and term limits to purge the court's conservatives shifting the balance to churn out

01:02:13.780 radical decisions but you can keep the swamp at bay by insisting candidates for president or congress

01:02:20.900 come clean on whether they plan to restructure the court learn more ways to help the court rise above the

01:02:26.740 mire of politics at supremecoup.com

01:02:32.580 and so look at the same and and and on that last time blinken was in beijing he didn't even call him

01:02:39.700 on it to say stop he said well no it's yeah maybe some of the stuff is coming from china but it's really

01:02:45.060 just a shipping accidental shipping problem i mean it it's it is such a denial of reality it's it's hard

01:02:53.860 is that i mean you're so i guess what you're saying is you're not speculating about this this is known

01:02:58.420 100 percent do the intel agencies i assume know this yeah but nobody wants to do anything why

01:03:08.020 i think the um you have an agency that doesn't want to do their job which agency cia because i think

01:03:16.260 and i know you have rightly very mixed feelings on the cia however the mission of the cia if you

01:03:24.740 think about the state department can handle five percent of issues diplomats and embassies you want

01:03:31.220 your military over here your conventional military it's a big angry dog waiting to be let off leash

01:03:36.820 that hopefully never is the middle of the world the those those problems you think about how the

01:03:44.900 soviet union was really undermined in the 80s there was not there was 20 covert action findings that

01:03:50.820 were signed coupled by carter mostly by reagan done to undermine the soviet union economically

01:03:56.100 politically culturally socially and that was done under title 50 authorities and that worked without

01:04:02.100 having to involve big military expenditure there are if you want to stop like how we know we know

01:04:10.340 fentanyl is a problem we know the chinese are a problem doing it that's specifically what the

01:04:15.620 title 50 authorities are for to say to six guys go make that problem stop

01:04:23.380 and if you have an agency that doesn't want to do their job

01:04:26.420 that's why it's not happening but they seem to be doing so many other things i mean yeah exactly my dad

01:04:30.980 worked with cia i'm not i was never against cia i thought only like dumb liberals were against cia

01:04:36.340 you know and traders or whatever so my views on ca have evolved based on things that i have seen and

01:04:41.780 personally experienced and my conclusion is not that everyone there particularly you know the

01:04:48.580 paramilitaries i know a million of them seem like great guys whatever but on some like basic level it

01:04:53.380 seems totally out of control to me i it is i mean when you have the leadership of the cia

01:04:59.860 this havana syndrome is a real thing what does that mean it's a um it's effectively a microwave weapon

01:05:08.020 that's been used to effectively uh blast the brains of americans working out of embassies first in havana

01:05:16.900 columbia delhi hanoi vienna washington dc lots of places okay hurting severely hurting

01:05:28.500 americans serving abroad and the cia director says

01:05:35.380 it's all in their minds it's bulimia yeah it's it that that's wrong when your people are getting

01:05:40.340 screwed by so you think that i don't have a view on that i mean i'm sort of i don't know the answer

01:05:46.100 but i'm sympathetic to open to both possibilities being true but you think based on evidence that

01:05:51.380 this is absolutely real yes i know it to be real wow who's doing this and why it was a wet it was a

01:05:59.700 it was a uh a device that was developed in the soviet union in the uh early 70s actually in ukraine

01:06:07.380 so and uh i think the kharkiv uh development plant not that it had nothing to do with ukrainians now

01:06:13.460 but it's a um uh it's about the size of a um uh like a beverage cart on an aircraft that size device

01:06:23.060 uh and it's very damaging and and the fact that the russians can do that to us without consequences

01:06:28.820 it shows how how pathetic they view the cia and the u.s government to not push back on consequences

01:06:35.780 so cia it what motive would they have to pretend this wasn't real because it would require pushback

01:06:42.420 somewhere somehow but they're literally fighting russia in ukraine cia is all over ukraine fighting

01:06:47.700 russia good question i mean put it this way they don't like me enough that i was uninvited from a

01:06:55.220 dear friend's retirement 10 days ago oh i bet i bet they don't like you and you've obviously worked

01:06:59.700 with them most of your life right we did a lot of great work for them 100 success rate

01:07:06.420 but yeah look people the wrong people being in charge the agency has also gotten hyper bloated

01:07:14.580 basically the same number of case officers that there's always been for 25 years

01:07:18.660 but the place has grown tenfold of all the wrong kind of people under you know the decision making

01:07:24.340 of a guy like brennan yes and why does brennan hate the actual do the director of operations because

01:07:29.780 he's a failed case officer he flunked out of school i mean how did a guy that voted for gus

01:07:35.380 hall in 1976 who was gus hall gustavo hallberg he was the finnish american head of the american

01:07:42.340 communist party in new york city exactly how does a guy vote for the head of the communist party

01:07:47.300 in 1976 at the height of the cold war and then pass whatever background check the agency is doing

01:07:53.300 and have a security clearance i find that stunning he retains his security clearance because the last

01:07:58.580 administration refused to strip him of his security clearance despite the fact he was actively working

01:08:02.820 to undermine the democratically elected president yeah no i know the the levels of betrayal and

01:08:07.700 self-betrayal are just almost mind-boggling let me ask you specifically about what the cia does in ukraine

01:08:13.700 so i think it's fair to say based on what even the new york times has reported that the

01:08:18.180 uh the ca is is running effectively the ukrainian intel services

01:08:24.820 i don't know i honestly don't know that i'm certainly they have they have been there advising

01:08:29.540 and supporting but i think the ukrainians probably grew frustrated at um uh you know lack of uh lack of

01:08:39.300 willingness to do certain things so i i don't know where the u.s support ends and where the ukrainian

01:08:45.460 unilateral stuff begins so but they i asked because they've assassinated people i think they tried to

01:08:50.420 assassinate me for example but they definitely killed alexander dugan's daughter um they you know

01:08:58.020 allowed an american critic of the ukrainian government to die in prison lira consola lira and

01:09:06.180 you're sort of like well wait a second if this is a proxy war and we're overseeing it then is the u.s

01:09:11.380 government aware of this responsible for it like what u.s government should protect american citizens

01:09:18.660 but clearly and if you and if you had a honest look devin nunez did a good job as the chairman of

01:09:27.060 the hipsee yeah of trying to dig into the nonsense and he obviously met all kinds of resistance but he

01:09:33.380 had fight in them now the republican oversight of the intel committee of of the intel agencies

01:09:39.860 completely inadequate but even then and i i i like devin a lot um but they're those guys are all

01:09:44.420 afraid of the cia as you know they're afraid of them they know they're being spied on by cia or nsa

01:09:50.020 or or any you know fbi they know they're being members that are supposed to be in charge of

01:09:55.300 overseeing these agencies are being spied on by them they're fully aware of that i know because

01:10:01.380 they've told me to my face i'm not guessing and that's just that's not democracy that's like totally

01:10:06.900 crazy yeah that's like it's like marcus wolf and the stasi that's well yeah exactly that's exactly

01:10:12.500 right the east german reference the most because the stasi was way more effective than any other

01:10:18.340 intel service even the kgb yes it was the embodiment of german efficiency innovation and it was like the

01:10:24.980 only effective institution in the entire country all this war in ordnung what does that mean everything

01:10:29.460 was in order yeah nice so and then i know that cia runs businesses like runs businesses outside the

01:10:39.540 country and those are sources of income for the agency that like how can a government agency run

01:10:46.100 businesses i don't understand that i am i am truly not aware of any of that okay um but how do you reign it

01:10:54.740 in i mean because it of course could be a an essential tool of diplomacy statecraft of you know

01:11:00.500 the projection of power i mean you could see fca could be helpful to your country the agency is the

01:11:04.820 most easy to reform of all federal agencies civil service rules don't apply yes you can fire anyone

01:11:10.980 for any reason that fast you could clean house have have a all hands meeting at the bubble on a friday

01:11:17.780 yeah and send 50 of them home send them out to send them out to their cars and tell them we'll ship

01:11:23.860 your stuff from your desk you could clean it out that fast but why does no one do that

01:11:31.220 maybe no one's had the balls as the director or the deputy director to do that do you believe cia has

01:11:36.740 in the last 25 years used violence against any american citizen

01:11:43.220 uh yeah barack obama killed a american citizen and his 16 year old son correct alawaki in uh in yemen

01:11:49.780 right and that's publicly known but they're you know there are all sorts of

01:11:55.860 you know there's evidence that they're that's not

01:11:59.140 an isolated maybe there's more but i know that one yeah so you don't think it's crazy to assume that

01:12:05.940 um entirely possible i well there's a lot of there's a lot of people that are considered american

01:12:12.100 citizens that probably shouldn't be considered american i agree i agree with that right but in

01:12:16.260 actual america yeah yeah fair but the left has so devalued citizenship right it should mean something

01:12:23.860 to be an american i mean a roman citizen it meant something oh so a venezuelan gang member who's here

01:12:31.460 illegally is every bit as american as you were born in western michigan so yes i'm quite oh i'm quite

01:12:36.740 aware of that um anchor babies birthright citizenship all of that must go yeah you wonder you know if

01:12:45.700 we've reached a point where that it's impossible for the country to act in its own interest just because

01:12:51.300 of the changes due to immigration i i read a lot of history and i know that things have been a lot

01:12:57.060 worse in certain societies and um corrective events can be shocking and traumatic to people but it's still

01:13:05.060 possible um cia and not just cia but fbi and other agencies supposed to be enforcing the law and

01:13:14.340 gathering intelligence have this has been shown withheld information from democratically elected

01:13:19.860 presidents a number of them certainly trump that's a crime is it not yeah and and and it should be met

01:13:27.380 with immediate discipline and and that's a matter of having people that will follow through and wade

01:13:33.940 through the bureaucratic process and and exercise the authority that they're charged with doing right

01:13:39.540 if you when you join the military you swear to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign

01:13:44.260 domestic we should probably do something similar for any civilian employee of the federal government that

01:13:50.100 they swear to defend the constitution not swear allegiance to a political leader of course not

01:13:54.740 constitution right but it's not a constitutional republic if you know unelected

01:14:00.740 employees the federal government ignore the elected employees yeah well that's something uh

01:14:07.220 love it or hate it at blackwater every contractor that worked for us swore to defend the constitution

01:14:12.660 the same oath they swore when they joined the military or law enforcement they swore it again in our

01:14:17.780 presence as a reminder that we're here to serve so um i want to ask you about spying uh on american

01:14:26.980 citizens so we know that it's widespread it's accelerating data is being collected about every

01:14:32.100 single one of us and the vector for a lot of that is the phone so it's it's like super useful of course

01:14:39.780 but it's also the main vulnerability if you care about privacy and freedom so you've created a phone

01:14:45.700 that allows people to to some extent to opt out of the current spying regime let me let me back up to where

01:14:53.460 i guess where this started you know if you think about after 9 11 suddenly holy all these federal

01:15:01.460 agencies are waking up and how do we prevent this kind of conspiracy and attack against us again and

01:15:06.660 so they start looking at data but of course in 9 11 we didn't have smartphones but as smartphones become

01:15:14.500 available and the uh technology that goes around a smartphone because what is a smartphone it's basically a

01:15:22.500 highly capable personal computer in your hand yeah that's constantly linked to a network yes and so

01:15:29.540 as ad data into the private sector always innovates much faster than governments do

01:15:34.820 and so as apple and google mobile services um start developing phones they put ad ids and tracking

01:15:43.300 information on those phones why to high to micro target you to sell advertising they they gather and

01:15:52.980 collect micro information about you so that they can sell precision information to advertisers who want

01:15:59.220 to sell you stuff can you give us a sense of what that what that information is what what do they

01:16:03.300 know about you well an advertising id is a it's like a 25 digit alphanumeric code that sits on your phone

01:16:12.260 and it enables to collect where you go what you buy who you call and what you browse it even works with

01:16:20.900 the apps sitting on your phone which are also built with a software developer kit come that comes from google

01:16:28.260 and they they pay you more to put the google hooks in so that those apps can also turn on

01:16:34.740 the microphone on your phone or the camera or the gps so that your phone yes it's a computer but

01:16:42.980 effectively becomes a mobile microphone collection listening device that's fits in your pocket or sits

01:16:51.380 in your nightstand and it collects anything and everything about what you do and so it's been

01:16:57.300 it's almost been like a slow boiling of a frog because we as smartphones become common it becomes very

01:17:07.140 convenient and it's wonderful and it becomes more and more uh pervasive in our lives providing us music

01:17:13.700 and news and communications and and pictures and videos of our family every bit of that data is

01:17:21.700 collected analyzed parsed and resold to advertisers that's the five leading big tech companies have a

01:17:30.580 combined market cap that's like the third or fourth largest nation in the world off of that surveillance

01:17:37.300 capitalism model so as smartphones have become available it's slow boiled all of us into a point of

01:17:47.460 holy and i guess for me the oh moment was after the 2020 election and seeing the power that big tech had

01:17:55.460 to sway that election and to then coordinate to to control who um who could speak who could speak on

01:18:05.780 certain platforms and zeroing out certain people and i actually had a tech team together at the time

01:18:12.420 doing a forensics thing and in a rage phone call i said fuck it we're gonna build a phone and we pivoted

01:18:23.060 and that team uh then started working and uh yeah we we built a phone um as a as an answer because

01:18:31.700 we're never gonna make big tech change by whining about it they're way too much money and way too

01:18:37.220 much power we have to provide a means for people to communicate freely securely and most importantly

01:18:46.260 that they can control their data i think it's inherently american that we accept we we expect privacy

01:18:54.820 as americans think about the constitution first amendment is free speech freedom of religion freedom

01:19:01.060 assembly second we know what that guarantees the first what's the third amendment what's what was

01:19:07.860 most important for the founding fathers privacy get these damn british troops out of my house of course

01:19:14.580 no quartering act because there was actually british soldiers being put into people's houses

01:19:20.660 privacy fourth amendment the right to privacy in our in the searches of our personal data yes

01:19:29.700 yes what big tech has created in surveillance capitalism is more pervasive and more intrusive

01:19:37.700 than anything you could ever possibly it's more it's more pervasive than marcus wolf of the stasi

01:19:44.660 or baria of the kgb of the nkvd could ever possibly imagine that happens in contemporary north korea

01:19:52.020 yes exactly and we give it away and we give it away freely and so people still close the bathroom stall

01:20:00.180 when you go into the toilet you still close the shower curtain we still do lots of things that we expect

01:20:06.260 to have a privacy but yet people with a regular phone put it on their nightstand and are surprised

01:20:14.660 that the microphone is listening i've had so many people i've talked to about they said i was talking to

01:20:21.220 my wife about needing a new mattress in our bedroom the next day they're getting advertising for mattresses

01:20:28.260 which means the camera or the phone was listening to them in their bedroom with all the follow-on

01:20:34.980 conclusions to be drawn from that yeah given what happens in healthy bedrooms that's i mean so what

01:20:42.660 happens to those recordings well we've been doing a study following our device a google mobile services

01:20:51.060 phone any android running google mobile services which is all of them or an iphone and about 3am we're

01:20:59.140 seeing a spike of data leaving the phone about 50 megabytes that is basically that phone dialing home

01:21:06.500 to the mothership exporting all of your goings-on all your pillow talk is going to pillow talk whatever

01:21:13.700 right it's so zuckerberg paid 20 billion dollars for whatsapp

01:21:19.140 why because every message call video picture voice note everything that goes through there they say

01:21:27.220 well it's end-to-end encrypted yeah it's end-to-end until it passes through their server where it's

01:21:33.460 sliced and diced and analyzed and used to push used to sell advertising to that customer if you're not

01:21:40.820 paying for something you're not the customer you are the product so if you want to get

01:21:46.180 it well i think people people right now are used to mark zuckerberg listening from their nightstand

01:21:53.700 every night because that's effectively what what's your phone so why isn't he like the creepiest person

01:21:59.940 in world history if he's listening to what's going on in your bedroom because they're able as big tech

01:22:05.060 to shape that message that's that's the frightening thing about the power of big tech and their ability

01:22:11.220 to influence what you watch what you think about candidates if you search something how they how

01:22:18.500 they score those rankings it's uh it is shocking we have an antitrust problem here in america

01:22:25.780 vastly worse than in the early 19 eight late 1800s early 1900s with oil and railways this is more

01:22:34.660 important yeah this is literally how we communicate interact with other human beings in our lives how we

01:22:48.660 gather and and and share information about the realities of life of food of medicine of vaccines

01:22:58.820 of healthcare issues of of truth and so it's and especially in an era of ai it's scary stuff the

01:23:06.820 average kid in america by the time they reach the age of 13 has had 72 million data points collected on them

01:23:14.900 by big tech so so it's almost like uh that of that much collection allows digital grooming

01:23:23.940 by big tech to to share and to shape your preferences how you interact etc including

01:23:31.220 your sexual preferences i mean if you're being honest here yeah exactly considering that young

01:23:36.100 people are introduced to sexuality through pornography yep yeah um given that there's no privacy it's

01:23:43.060 probably pretty dumb to watch porn yeah nothing's private right so um what happens to all this data

01:23:54.100 well now obviously that's it's used and stored i mean if you it's it's the the uh the bloom of data

01:24:03.140 centers surrounding all these tech hubs around america is horrific and all that data is being collected

01:24:10.740 and stored and and can i just ask you just for a field question i'm just interested so given that

01:24:16.340 those data centers are some of the biggest users of electricity they're like a steel plant okay yeah massive

01:24:22.660 electricity draw and using electricity is of course destroying the planet and accelerating climate

01:24:28.500 change why are the climate change zombies defacing paintings in museums and not protesting data centers

01:24:38.580 it's a i would say they're

01:24:42.260 if if they were coming after data centers then they would be getting a non-stop stream of

01:24:47.380 of social media messaging of why they should be attacking art instead of data centers well exactly

01:24:52.340 but like why why are the ai ghouls why is mark zuckerberg why are they not climate criminals why am i

01:24:58.820 a climate criminal for having a wood stove and a silverado but but the people who run data centers

01:25:04.660 which literally draw more power with 100 backup as well right so i'm not against using energy i'm pro energy

01:25:12.980 actually in cheap energy but but by the current rules they're criminals so why does no one call them

01:25:20.180 criminals um because big tech has shockingly uh complete control over how that messaging is yes

01:25:29.860 over our minds and what we think

01:25:34.020 sorry sorry but that you brought it right back to the point which is and and so now

01:25:38.340 congress including a lot of republicans in their idiocy have not only extended faiza right faiza started

01:25:49.300 as the foreign intelligence surveillance act yeah 1977 ish yeah it's supposed to be measuring monitoring

01:25:56.500 how you collect intelligence uh communications going to foreigners now faiza is really all about americans

01:26:05.140 um i guess we're treated as foreigners by our own government uh and and so the federal agencies got sick

01:26:13.380 of getting beat up when they'd come before congress for millions of times illegally accessing what was

01:26:21.380 supposed to be faiza unauthorized communications information and for buying all this commercial data

01:26:31.380 data that's that's that's collected and held and disseminated by big tech to facilitate advertising

01:26:38.100 and typing and measuring where you go what you buy who you call what you browse everything about you

01:26:46.020 in a way that any any previous intelligence boss would have salivated over

01:26:53.780 so now the new faiza it's not an extension it's a massive enlargement

01:26:58.420 says that any federal agent for any reason without probable cause or a warrant can compel any company

01:27:06.420 that holds any of that personal data to turn it over

01:27:12.500 allowing a massive fishing expedition on anybody that's considered a an opponent of that off the

01:27:20.180 reservation federal agent it's really disgusting really i i if it's not a a stamp act tea party

01:27:30.900 uh 1775 moment i don't know what is but it is ultimately your government having

01:27:36.660 carte blanche to do a digital proctology exam on you with no questions asked well considering that these

01:27:44.900 companies hold you know audio of you having sex with your wife video of you watching pornography

01:27:51.380 like stuff that you know audio of you telling racial jokes or whatever like your most intimate

01:27:59.700 moments the ones that could be used to blackmail and destroy you doing things you would not do in

01:28:04.180 public and shouldn't do in public like that's just that's the ultimate power isn't it

01:28:09.620 yeah i guess um you either have to not give a shit and fight anyway yeah or try to live virtuously

01:28:19.540 too it helps that always helps yep so how does your phone protect people so again this like i said this

01:28:28.500 uh this era started three and a half years ago and we came at it from a completely contrarian view

01:28:34.340 yeah this phone uh it's our hardware made in indonesia at a singaporean facility um our operating

01:28:43.860 system all our code and we are solely focused on data sovereignty that you control it's pretty cool

01:28:53.060 just that i am kind of impressed that you made hardware you didn't just build an app like you actually

01:28:59.700 correct because you have to control it down to the root level of of the hardware and the software

01:29:06.420 so that our we don't have an advertising id and our operating system blocks any any attempt by any

01:29:14.340 app to turn on your camera or your wi-fi or your microphone or your gps or anything we don't allow

01:29:20.980 any of that leakage in fact we have a privacy center this is called the unplugged this is an unplugged phone

01:29:27.540 and this is a effectively a firewall which prevents apps from doing all the things they're used to

01:29:34.820 doing on all the other phones so you're in control of what of your data goes out which is

01:29:44.180 effectively zero this is like a this is like a safe comes in it doesn't come out so i'm just to

01:29:52.820 bottom line it i'm protected from what am i protected from if i use that here's the thing

01:29:57.940 the the uh if you're using apps and some federal agency goes to that app purveyor and says uh give

01:30:05.620 me everything you have on tucker that he's been using on that app there'll be nothing because there's

01:30:09.780 no data leaking from you from your device to that to that app if um if you call somebody we have our own

01:30:18.180 secure messenger for example you want to call and make a secure call and you call me it takes about

01:30:24.420 five seconds to connect because it's literally creating a encrypted tunnel between you and me

01:30:31.060 generates a new encryption key every call it's completely different so the government hates

01:30:36.580 that and there have been all kinds of legal battles over this question they don't want secure

01:30:40.820 communication between citizens because all of a sudden they care about human trafficking or something

01:30:45.380 yes and their their latest excuse for this uh massive phyja enlargement was drug trafficking drug

01:30:53.300 trafficking right because they've been failing for 40 freaking years at that well they just opened the

01:30:57.700 southern border to fentanyl and human trafficking so these exact same people are suddenly really

01:31:01.700 worried about human trafficking and drugs yeah it's just it's a it's a joke so we've um

01:31:06.740 um we uh we produced 500 units field of them last fall we did a big data big beta test and now we have

01:31:15.620 10 000 units so people can order and and deliver and look it's uh it is our effort to uh to fight the

01:31:22.900 power of so what can't i do i mean i'll just confess that i use an iphone made by a company i actually

01:31:29.300 kind of hate and that hates my country and me and i use it anyway because it's and we figured there's a lot of

01:31:35.140 people like you that would want to digitally opt out of the lie of big tech and so what you can't

01:31:41.140 do obviously we don't have the apple store uh we don't have apple music but you can use spotify you

01:31:46.340 can use um a lot of the other streaming services on here we just prevent them from collecting your data

01:31:52.580 as to what you're listening to or or where you are when you do it what about pictures of course you

01:31:58.020 can take pictures and you can share pictures you can send pictures we have a lot of the other

01:32:04.100 privacy related apps whether it's signal or threema or proton or telegram we have why has nobody done

01:32:11.620 this so everyone complains about this everyone who pays any attention at all understands plus the

01:32:15.780 iphone's incredibly expensive um but they have a hammer lock on your life and so this seems like a

01:32:23.780 pretty obvious other people have tried it before and they they burn through a lot of money and i don't

01:32:29.780 think the timing is right they're not flying coach to dubai are they we we we did this man you are

01:32:37.460 dutch i love that it's like coached in a pie for example this phone also has a kill switch an actual

01:32:46.500 uh a switch which separates the battery from the electronics you can't shut your iphone off oh i know

01:32:51.700 it's always listening it's always pinging towers it's always pinging wi-fi building a digital breadcrumb

01:32:56.740 trail of where you go and what you do even if i turn the iphone off it's not off correct this you

01:33:03.460 turn that off it's off because it physically separates battery from electronics just like

01:33:08.100 pulling the battery out of an old uh nokia phone so i'm sorry i interrupted you so this i i love this

01:33:13.620 of course it's incredibly ambitious but also on some level it's kind of obvious like why haven't we had

01:33:18.740 this before so you said people have tried they spent too much money and then i interrupted you and they

01:33:23.220 tried maybe just with an app and just with an app doesn't work and and people have tried to do it

01:33:27.940 with a re-skinned google phone we have this this phone is incapable of running google mobile services

01:33:33.940 so you're not going to get google maps we have a way to navigate that works well but again so many

01:33:39.380 of the the freemium approaches where they've been boiling the frog of the american of the people of the

01:33:45.620 world um we provide them a digital alternative to that where you are in control of your first

01:33:52.180 amendment rights and your fourth amendment rights how how amen how hard is it to text people who

01:33:57.620 don't have that phone um it's just we look it emits electrons so ultimately you can see if it's on

01:34:04.980 a tower or not but we even provide it with a with a sim uh with a sim provider a data provider

01:34:12.660 uh a network airtime provider that um collects the minimum amount basically all they need is your zip code

01:34:19.220 of where you're buying it that's what i'm saying is if i am using an unplugged phone and my wife has

01:34:23.140 an iphone i can text her yes sure and she can even put unplugged messenger on her iphone as well how

01:34:31.940 much more expensive is that than an iphone this is 989 so it's cheaper about 500 cheaper and it's

01:34:38.260 comparable in speed storage camera quality can you actually get one yeah you can order it at uh

01:34:45.460 unplugged.com slash tucker and we'll uh we will look we're we're big believers we're a big believer

01:34:52.740 in your audience i'm a art long ardent fan and uh we think uh your fans are our people and so we are

01:34:59.940 happy to compensate them and uh and you guys and we want to we want to win in this together and give

01:35:06.980 people a digital alternative to big tech owning their lives man i really so if i mean it's not a threat

01:35:15.460 to apple right now but if if there's big take-up it could be so what how do you expect them to try

01:35:21.220 and stifle competition it's a monopoly sure they want to retain monopoly status look if you search

01:35:27.220 for if you do a google search for unplugged phone or things like that they tend to stack every negative

01:35:33.060 article possible written about it first oh there have been bad pieces written of course of course

01:35:38.820 of course the left will always uh come after me and hate on me for anything is it a racist phone

01:35:44.340 the the left used to be about free speech right and now they're really about kind of state control

01:35:50.660 but um does the phone deny the election in 2020 just i would argue that um the the phone cares about

01:36:00.420 your first and fourth amendment rights and um okay uh we are we are this is not a political phone so

01:36:07.620 there's no q anon feature on the phone at all there's not i don't know there's a q anon app there you

01:36:11.700 know we do have the funny thing is we do we are lying it's just so funny we we even have an app

01:36:18.260 a dating app for people that are unvaccinated because they were thrown out of the apple in

01:36:22.180 the google store so yes we are we are also a repository for the apps that have no home elsewhere

01:36:28.820 seriously so if you want to have like really healthy babies you can go on to this dating app

01:36:33.060 if you're not a big fan of the mrna strand you know changing your eugenics for future generations yes

01:36:38.900 you need an unplugged phone and let me just ask actually to follow up on that i think what you

01:36:42.820 just said the last sentence you uttered is maybe the most interesting story of my lifetime the

01:36:48.180 possibility that the mrna technology could affect your genes which is not crazy actually yeah um i

01:36:54.340 don't know if it's true or not do you think it's true

01:36:58.980 it would be an interesting study to ask how many of the um

01:37:02.100 um the executives of those pharmaceutical companies actually took their own product

01:37:08.820 that should be a congressionally i don't care if it's a hipaa issue or not that's that someone

01:37:14.420 should find that out well hipaa doesn't exist i mean when they're when they're forcing you to declare

01:37:20.820 your vac status to use businesses or travel clearly hip it doesn't mean anything right there's no medical

01:37:27.300 privacy look and and since um the erosion of that privacy i just want to encourage everyone to use

01:37:34.100 cash yet as well don't don't go to these you know anyone that says that goes to these these woke coffee

01:37:42.580 shops and they say we don't accept cash anymore look on the front of a dollar bill it says this note

01:37:48.340 is legal tender for all debts public and private no one has the ability to deny you using cash so leave

01:37:55.380 them the right change on the table and tell them to have a nice day they cannot make you pay with a

01:38:00.180 credit card that's that is that is actually insurrectionist if these businesses are denying

01:38:05.300 you the ability to use legal tender of the united states government i i had never thought of that

01:38:10.660 has anyone tried that oh yeah i make an issue of it all the time much to my kids um

01:38:18.260 embarrassment but yeah i'm a big advocate cash is freedom

01:38:22.100 with the amount of data that is collected on you everywhere you want to buy gas buy gas pay cash

01:38:29.780 whatever but the the what what we see in china where they really don't accept cash anymore

01:38:38.580 and it's become the ultimate surveillance state that's where we're heading unless free people unite

01:38:45.540 and resist that kind of totalitarian impulse of big government big tech working together in china

01:38:51.300 they you have to pay with uh with a wechat app so you do your banking through that you acquire tickets

01:38:58.260 for a bus an airplane a train through that you pay road tolls through that everything is through this app

01:39:06.580 controlled by the state and so before they even go to a central bank digital currency

01:39:12.980 they literally have you by the balls and they can zero you material at that point instantly right

01:39:17.620 correct and so we did this as because for free people to be able to live in a free society they have

01:39:25.540 to communicate they have to be able to hold and store data um and and and be able to gather that

01:39:32.020 data without someone else filtering it through an app store that the bad guys control that the that

01:39:37.540 the big government guys control um you know the the where do you get cash from a bank so do you i

01:39:48.820 it sounds like a stupid question but there seem to be fewer atms i don't think that's my imagination

01:39:54.260 in fact it's not sure yeah they don't want you to use there's a de-emphasis on cash right so if

01:39:59.220 cash equals freedom i could not agree with you more and there's something kind of old school and cool

01:40:04.020 about it anyway um but i still remember my dad having 500 bills yeah why don't we have those

01:40:11.380 anymore war on drugs really yeah that would be a great thing for the next president united states

01:40:19.140 what does that mean war on drugs so they just they stopped it was a war on cash to to cut out

01:40:25.060 illegal activity that was paid for in cash william mckinley is on the 500 bill i think they should

01:40:30.420 bring it back and put donald j trump on it can you imagine the heads exploding yeah that'd be pretty

01:40:35.700 wild but you know so much of this explosion of government perpetual wars and perpetual government

01:40:44.420 stupidity comes back to very unsound money and when we went off the gold standard when nixon did

01:40:52.980 how was it done was it a vote through congress no was it debated it was an executive order

01:41:00.740 which means you can go back on with executive order as well where are you on gold i'm very pro gold

01:41:07.060 it is for millennia been a store of value and i'd say uh digital blockchain currencies also interesting

01:41:17.780 it's hard it look anything is a value if someone recognizes it as a medium of exchange right right i mean

01:41:25.220 there was a there was a tulip inflation in the netherlands in like 500 years ago yes but tulips

01:41:32.420 were currency tulip bulbs um so lots of things can become if the prettiest currency ever created if

01:41:39.220 things get really scary ammunition will be currency yes always has been yes i i've had that thought

01:41:47.860 personally you're stored up yeah i mean the shin dogs have a lot of dogs too um so i feel like dogs

01:41:53.860 will be more valuable at some point so you so you are you a gold buyer without getting too specific

01:42:04.980 about it some yeah but i mean for heaven's sakes started a company which took on not one but two

01:42:12.980 multi-trillion dollar companies because you know that was a dumb crazy idea through you know three

01:42:20.980 and a half years ago so that's that's i've been investing in this capability for people to communicate

01:42:26.180 securely and freely and i hope it works what are the and it will never be a public company

01:42:31.300 we've taken no institutional money it will be a private company not subject to the sec and all

01:42:38.420 the other nonsense it's not even an it's not even an american registered company because i didn't want

01:42:44.500 the u.s government to be able to shut it down yeah it's interesting again we haven't done uh had a

01:42:50.100 conversation really about your personal story which is one of the most amazing personal stories of anyone

01:42:54.340 i've ever met but um among the many twists and turns and ironies of your life is that someone

01:43:01.220 as patriotic as you was basically at one point forced to flee to a foreign country well i didn't

01:43:07.380 flee i went there for a job opportunity but i'd been uh attacked unbelievably oh i remember by talking

01:43:15.060 about putting you in jail i remember every federal agency in the world was coming after us and i paid

01:43:20.660 i paid i paid about two and a half million dollars a month for two years straight in legal fees i paid

01:43:27.620 the highest per capita fine in state department history it was the only federal agency that actually

01:43:32.420 stuck us with something because we had no means to contest it because they at that point we were

01:43:37.300 working for the state department doing diplomatic security protecting americans something we did more

01:43:41.860 than a hundred thousand times with no state department or u.s official ever killed or injured on our watch

01:43:48.340 and sometimes the state department would be demanding i need 50 more men here i need 30 more men there

01:43:55.380 go immediately but another part of the state department the licensing department of the

01:44:00.020 directorate of defense trade controls moving at the speed of uh at the speed of peacetime

01:44:06.820 would be slow rolling on the licenses the export license for like body armor or helmets right or guns used

01:44:13.780 by our people working for the state department and yeah i'm not going to send a guy naked to a war zone

01:44:19.460 so we'd send stuff to do that mission for the state department in iraq or afghanistan or whatever

01:44:26.260 and so yeah that was what they had us over the barrel so they fined me 42 million dollars for that

01:44:30.820 did you pay had to yeah hillary clinton why didn't she like you i don't know didn't like your vibe i guess

01:44:41.140 what not that so much she doesn't fly coach um once again where do where do people watching get

01:44:49.700 that so i've been very active in the media but they can go to unplugged.com tucker simply very

01:44:57.220 active in the media in other words you're out there talking about yeah i'm for for lack of a better

01:45:02.340 spokesman i'm kind of it for now but we're we're looking for more if you'd like to be it

01:45:05.540 um but yeah no people can order and they'll get it uh within uh 36 hours usually how hard is it to

01:45:13.460 operate it's very simple look so it's it's based on the android kernel so anybody any of the apps

01:45:20.100 built for android almost 95 of them work on on this phone but they look a little different because

01:45:26.020 they're not blasting all the personal ads at you right for using the app so again it's a way for people

01:45:31.380 to be in the world digitally but not of the world and not have all your stuff collected

01:45:37.140 stored and disseminated to all kinds of people that hate you oh yeah and then it's available

01:45:43.460 of course to the u.s government which and and another important feature which i think you'll

01:45:48.340 appreciate on our messenger we even have a dump feature so if you're using unplugged messenger

01:45:53.700 and someone comes uh and says uh tucker give me your phone i'm here to inspect it you say sure

01:45:57.700 officer and you unlock it with a certain code when you hand it to him it's a brick it's a

01:46:02.260 paperweight because it wipes it's an auto dump feature which wipes the messages or it can even

01:46:06.500 dump the entire phone dump as in zero it out hard factory reset unrecoverable fu seriously yep

01:46:16.340 so you're traveling through a foreign airport which is where this and our airports this has happened yeah

01:46:20.900 and you can yep erase the phone instantly so one of the reasons that i really passionately dislike

01:46:31.700 apple and google is because they'll take your communications and give them the government

01:46:36.020 without telling you yes in fact out of this fisa bill just passed they're not even allowed to tell you

01:46:45.860 that your stuff has been accessed by this random federal agency or whatever so it's it's just a

01:46:51.380 it is a big brother expansion bill is what that was so and this i mean luck or timing or i don't know

01:46:58.740 anticipating where the problem is going to be started this journey three years ago we're now here it's

01:47:05.140 not it's not hypothetical anymore these are available and uh we've just shipped uh 3 500 of them and

01:47:11.940 there's a few you see this in civil suits too not that i'm speaking from experience but um you know

01:47:18.100 um the people who oppose you can wind up with all your text messages and then it's a it's a short trip

01:47:23.460 from there to say the new york times exactly um and a text without a context is a pretext for trouble

01:47:29.620 oh i love that a text without a context is a pretext for trouble yeah luckily in my case i

01:47:34.580 wasn't really doing anything wrong other than using naughty language but um all the better

01:47:39.380 to have a burn time and all those messages so it's not looked at a year or five years later

01:47:45.300 well i agree with that completely different lines because right and so and again nothing is stored

01:47:50.740 it's it's either on your device if you send me a message it's on this device or your device and we

01:47:56.660 can set a burn time where it's gone unrecoverable anytime anywhere can never come to you and say as

01:48:04.100 the owner and spokesman for unplug we want the text messages for so and so we got nothing man

01:48:09.700 we store nothing it's stored on your device or this device and you can see whereas apple if i use

01:48:15.780 i message which i do correct and you can set a burn time on this where it disappears and it's

01:48:21.380 going to be clear so if i'm this is my grubby iphone if i'm but if i'm if i'm texting on i message

01:48:27.300 and um they're storing all of it yeah i got 59 text messages while we were talking this morning

01:48:37.140 that's why you're so slow to respond to the text text you're deluged well it's also my birthday so

01:48:43.700 lots of people are texting me but anyway the point is and i don't have any unauthorized birthday messages

01:48:49.540 but um but that's a lot i mean people conduct their all speak for myself i conduct my life through text

01:48:55.300 message exactly apple has all of that for all eternity and they will happily give that to the

01:49:01.780 government without question and now they're compelled to turn it over without even a warrant

01:49:08.980 or probable cause so again if people are sick of that so users of unplugged are protective of that

01:49:15.380 invulnerable there's no that if they're using unplugged message if you send a regular text on unplugged

01:49:20.420 it's going to pass through a phone carrier right they'll have that message but if you send a

01:49:24.420 message on unplugged messenger yeah gone you can set a burn time on it and it's gone and unrecoverable

01:49:31.620 not stored by us or anybody else well that seems like freedom to me i will always choose freedom

01:49:37.940 amen and fight like crazy for us so let me just end this with um a kind of a an apology for interrupting

01:49:46.020 you in the middle of one of the most interesting things you were saying so i said name three places

01:49:51.460 that americans are not paying attention to since you are i don't want to violate your privacy by

01:49:56.340 saying where you are but i just happen to know that you're like you're in places i can't even

01:49:59.620 find them on a map and i'm pretty good at geography so i think you are the person to ask what are three

01:50:05.060 places that we're not paying attention to that we ought to be in the i interrupted you after the

01:50:10.500 first one because it was so interesting and you said mexico mexico fentanyl the ccp very much

01:50:16.740 promoting so amlo is a super socialist president there now yeah there's a even worse leftist female

01:50:23.940 about to take over and absolute leftist female i love how you describe her she's a she's very much

01:50:31.380 a a marxist protege oh she is no she's a leftist female for sure um with active programs by the ccp to

01:50:40.260 support the most leftist candidates there uh in mexico that's a problem um it's become more and more

01:50:49.060 of a narco state with with cartels having very significant influence if not control locally or

01:50:56.660 regionally throughout the throughout the country um and that's literally our southern border and and

01:51:04.020 in the amlo government um actively promoting um and cooperating with that kind of ccp nonsense

01:51:14.500 positive note just a right-wing guy elected in panama who says he's going to shut the darien gap

01:51:21.220 which is the area that moves all kinds of people now um you asked for three i might give you a couple

01:51:30.820 more than three if you please do um the active spend of ngos that the u.s government funds which

01:51:40.100 enables mass migration into latin america to walk north to invade across our southern border is massive

01:51:49.620 and disgusting and illegal and wrong i was just i remember uh three months ago i was contacted by an

01:51:56.420 ngo in haiti asking if i could organize an aircraft to fly from port-au-prince to managua daily i said

01:52:04.340 why on earth would you want to do that they said well can haitians can fly to nicaragua visa free

01:52:09.060 i said ah i know why it's to facilitate haitians coming to nicaragua and then walking north to

01:52:15.620 facilitate illegal migration from we have a haitian shortage here i don't think so no and there is a um

01:52:26.420 a massive network of those ngos and some of those guys are making the the ceos of these things are

01:52:31.300 making a million dollars a year taking u.s taxpayer money facilitating the maneuver entrance

01:52:40.500 uh of illegal migrants in the united states funded by the u.s taxpayers it's disgusting and if republicans

01:52:47.780 actually have the power of the purse this needs to stop and the fact that they don't means we we

01:52:52.660 have a unit party problem so we probably need a melee type solution of a complete change in parties

01:52:58.980 to to fix this i agree completely but you do sort of wonder since there's no economic justification

01:53:04.980 for this level millions of uneducated people from the poorest countries of the world coming to your

01:53:09.620 country there's no especially with ai like there are no jobs for these people they're just but just

01:53:14.020 the fact that the democrats were actively seeking to register them as voters and to make it possible to

01:53:18.580 vote you know exactly what they're doing they're trying to stack the deck but i mean you've been

01:53:23.300 around wars your whole life like you tell me if you've got the mass movement of young military-age

01:53:29.460 males into a country some of them with prison records like what are you looking at here

01:53:34.260 yeah like does that make you nervous at all sure but i also know um

01:53:40.980 um cannon fodder doesn't do very well against a sophisticated capability yeah and and the fact is

01:53:51.540 the people that actually did the fighting and the dying and the hard combat uh in the last 20 years

01:53:57.700 they don't agree to that kind of nonsense because they've laid their lives and their brothers and

01:54:02.820 their health on the line for america for a long time and they're not going to sit quietly about that

01:54:09.380 nonsense but i mean so but there's already an effort in the congress to make illegal aliens citizens if

01:54:15.940 they serve in the u.s military i'm not opposed to a longer term legionnaire type program if someone

01:54:25.460 comes here and actually serves and with obviously very very strict performance guidelines i mean we're

01:54:30.900 not not don't hire a guy to be a truck driver in the in the army and get citizenship no but um i'm not

01:54:38.580 so opposed to that but but all the other stuff they want to do around voting and driver's licenses

01:54:43.220 and all that stuff there's a lot of actions that the next administration can take to make it very

01:54:48.100 difficult for those illegals to remain here by debanking and de platforming them what the left

01:54:56.420 has been doing to people like us for the last 20 years born here to make that difficult okay so

01:55:01.620 latin america big problem in guyana country most people haven't heard about other than where jim

01:55:07.220 jones served kool-aid uh made the largest energy discovery in the lat in this hemisphere in the

01:55:13.540 last 50 years so it's enormous and venezuela has been um now declared that 70 of guyana's territory is

01:55:21.540 theirs uh dusting off a 130 year old border dispute and i think you're going to see venezuela annex or

01:55:31.300 sees that uh with largely impunity uh in the coming uh months or years certainly depend if the if the

01:55:41.860 democrat administration continues they'll take it because there's no consequences for it and so you're

01:55:47.300 really seeing a a complete collapse a erasure of the monroe doctrine this idea that what happens

01:55:54.740 the western hemisphere is america's business and not the business of russia and china um the collapse

01:56:03.300 of credibility of france and of the united states in africa is now uh really accelerating the the jihad

01:56:12.820 problem that was persistent in mali and burkina faso in niger and why do these countries matter huge gold

01:56:20.900 huge uranium other minerals there and now chad sudan um the u.s had two big bases in niger and they were

01:56:30.260 just pushed out cost a billion plus easily uh big air bases drone bases that were trying to do ct support

01:56:40.820 all across africa pushed out by a collapse of credibility um by the u.s by the french and the

01:56:49.380 russians have pushed in and the russians are using a a wagner capability a a hybrid private military

01:56:56.580 company type capability to enable the expansion of military capability in those countries while at the

01:57:03.140 same time a voracious appetite for gold and other minerals uranium of high value there and so you're

01:57:09.860 seeing to me it's a it's a resort it's a it's a reversion to the norm of what you saw in the 1600s

01:57:15.940 i was just thinking that exact same thing as the dollar declines of course gold becomes more

01:57:22.180 important yes gold and and uranium and actual green energy that's right which uh uh so there's nothing

01:57:30.820 really that new in warfare just different um maybe a little bit of different tech that changes

01:57:35.940 changes how things are done but how nations interact with each other i think you'll see

01:57:41.460 a return to privateers and to a lot more private sector because our big bloated super state federal

01:57:47.780 government has proven well at least now for the last 30 years it's not very good at no at putting

01:57:53.300 the fires out civilization managing the conflict doesn't work um clearing the decks uh and and and

01:58:02.660 putting putting a tourniquet on some of these things is necessary

01:58:05.060 our last question it does seem like civilization's in retreat in a lot of places you know order um

01:58:14.980 free movement you know relatively open markets civility self-restraint you know just all this for

01:58:21.380 the hall markers hallmarks of an open uh society of like western civilization they all seem to be in

01:58:27.620 decline do you see that and are you worried about it yeah look civilizations ebb and flow um and i look

01:58:36.820 for pockets of normalcy of however crazy things get people still figure out how to uh how to get on with

01:58:44.500 it and carry on and there's certainly pockets within europe where they still do that there's pockets

01:58:50.580 um in parts of the middle east uh there's even some pockets in south africa that i would consider

01:58:57.700 islands of normalcy uh and in latin america as well i again i come back to melee what a spectacular man

01:59:05.220 who just took on his entire political establishment and said afuera out right so i um i i i'm still drawn i

01:59:15.620 recommend the book a lot it's called to dare and to conquer and a friend gave it to me uh years ago

01:59:20.980 and it's a it's a history of special operations throughout history all the way from alexander

01:59:26.100 the great and his men that climbed sogdian rock and it to to the present of a few picked men and women

01:59:33.700 very capable warriors that that flew in the face of unsurmountable odds and made it happen and change

01:59:39.140 world history so i think there's a there's a lot of hope in that and um big government is really dumb

01:59:46.500 and quite plotting and um i know i know folks that have worked in google and apple and they

01:59:52.500 and they pull their hair out at how inane and stupid a lot of those things are and so i view them

01:59:57.780 probably as dumb as the u.s was in afghanistan and an opponent that can be defeated with wily creative

02:00:05.300 very focused um and uh very my dad always told me persistence and determination

02:00:11.620 and um i try to live by that and uh my i i come back to um my favorite quote from churchill

02:00:19.060 and he said um he was speaking before the canadian parliament a year after the battle of britain said

02:00:25.140 he said a year ago her hitler said he would wring the neck of the british people like a chicken

02:00:29.780 in six weeks and i stand before you a year later and i say some chicken some neck

02:00:38.660 eric prince thank you thanks tucker

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The Tucker Carlson Show - May 21, 2024

Erik Prince： CIA Corruption, Killer Drones, and Government Surveillance

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