The Tucker Carlson Show - Everything You Need to Know About the Minnesota Assassinations and Tim Walz Destroying His State

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00:00:14.820 Five years ago this summer, George Floyd, a convicted felon, OD'd on fentanyl outside a

00:00:20.060 convenience store in Minneapolis, and the country changed forever. Five years later,

00:00:26.200 Tim Walls is still the governor. Keith Ellison is still the attorney general. The cops who were

00:00:30.500 falsely convicted of murdering George Floyd are mostly still in prison. But what happened to

00:00:35.960 Minneapolis itself? Well, it's been wrecked, and no one has said a word about it. Liz Collin is one of

00:00:43.400 the only journalists remaining in the state of Minnesota, and she gives us an update on the

00:00:48.620 aftermath of the George Floyd revolution.

00:00:56.200 Liz, thank you. Media's died across the country. Newspapers are going out of business. They're

00:01:16.840 useless. Local news basically gone. And the hope was always that there would be report responsible

00:01:23.880 people who cared about facts reporting on what's happening at the state level and in cities.

00:01:29.200 And in most places, that's not true, but it is true in Minnesota, thanks to you. So I'm just,

00:01:34.660 I'm grateful that you're filling that void because we need to know what's happening.

00:01:39.560 I want to start by, because I think you're an expert on, like, what is the truth about the

00:01:44.900 assassinations in your state of a couple of Democratic lawmakers? Like, who's the guy who,

00:01:50.300 like, what is that? There's lying around it. What's the truth?

00:01:54.720 Yeah, sadly, the chaos really continues in Minnesota. Appreciate, you know, you having me on and thank you

00:02:01.380 for your kind words about our reporting that we do over at Alpha News. But this all starts on a

00:02:08.420 Saturday. It's Saturday, June 14th, two in the morning, and this shooting spree begins.

00:02:14.480 Vance Belter is the man who is charged now with the assassination of Melissa Hortman and her husband,

00:02:21.360 Mark. But what we know is that he first arrives at Senator John Hoffman's home, the home he shares

00:02:28.540 with his wife, Yvette. Their adult daughter happens to be in town during this. And Belter is dressed as

00:02:35.300 a police officer. He's wearing also a latex mask. He has a flashlight, arrives at their door saying,

00:02:42.480 police open up. He's shouting. It's very chaotic. And basically, this is...

00:02:47.500 This is two in the morning?

00:02:48.040 Two in the morning. They open their door to him and he starts shooting, from what we understand.

00:02:54.620 Senator Hoffman is hit multiple times. His wife hit multiple times. His daughter heroically calls

00:03:02.000 911, tells the police it's Senator Hoffman that's been shot. And this, in a way, I think,

00:03:08.240 sends a message to the rest of the surrounding agencies that this could have something to do

00:03:13.620 with legislators or perhaps people are being targeted, you know, to look for this person,

00:03:18.600 obviously. We know now that Belter stops at two more homes, people who are not home,

00:03:26.160 legislators that are not home. At one point, he encounters a police officer in New Hope.

00:03:32.160 That officer actually approaches his vehicle. He is in a vehicle that looks like a squad car,

00:03:38.780 an SUV squad car. Goes so far as to outfit it with police lettering, actually, on the license plate.

00:03:47.040 It says police on the license plate. You know, a light bar, all the things you would look for

00:03:51.980 in a squad. This New Hope officer rolls up next to him. He is looking straight ahead and does not,

00:03:59.700 you know, acknowledge the officer at all. She then rolls her window up and continues on

00:04:04.660 to this lawmaker's home. So there's some questions about, you know, how was he not apprehended in that

00:04:11.580 moment? This is when he then continues to the former House Speaker, DFL House Speaker, Melissa

00:04:18.940 Hortman's home. And there, at this point, the police catch up to him, the Brooklyn Park Police

00:04:25.960 Department. They are doing a welfare check, basically, on the Hortman home, saying, you know,

00:04:30.080 she doesn't live that far away. We should go to the Speaker Emerita, Melissa Hortman's home.

00:04:36.160 And they get there. Shots ring out. But from what we understand, between the police and Belter,

00:04:43.800 somehow Belter still gets inside the Hortman home. Mark is killed. And then they find Melissa's

00:04:50.340 body inside the home as well later on. So the police are there for the shooting?

00:04:56.180 They are. So how did he get away? Still a lot of questions about that.

00:05:02.300 What? I didn't. I'm sorry. I didn't know that. I didn't get that. He goes out a back door,

00:05:07.120 from what we understand, escapes on foot because he leaves his police cruiser there on scene. This

00:05:12.880 is where they find out it's Vance Belter. He has utility bills in this vehicle, things that I'll trace

00:05:18.280 back to him. And he gets back to an address that mysteriously he'd been renting for the last couple

00:05:24.840 of years. It's very strange. He shared his home with his wife and five children in Green Isle,

00:05:31.740 Minnesota, which is about an hour outside of Minneapolis. But yet he was renting this room

00:05:36.560 in Minneapolis where he would stay two or three nights a week, from what we understand from the

00:05:42.180 neighbors. And he'd show up at sometimes midnight, leave at four or five in the morning.

00:05:46.760 We've been able to look a lot at his social media and what he's put out there. He was working

00:05:52.400 at some funeral homes, we understand, and would keep these strange hours. But neighbors actually

00:05:59.120 thought he was a detective. That's what they thought of him. They thought it was strange that

00:06:02.400 this guy would just show up a couple times a week. He was working at funeral homes?

00:06:05.400 Right. That's what he said that he was doing kind of some just a disposal of bodies. He would talk

00:06:14.840 about openly in a little college course that we found a clip of. But what's interesting is he ended

00:06:20.660 his employment, from what we understand from these funeral homes himself, just more recently. It seems

00:06:26.900 that there's perhaps some financial trouble. Before we get into him, can you just play out

00:06:32.660 the rest of the timeline? So he escapes through the back door somehow. The police are there when

00:06:37.900 he shoots these two people to death, but they don't get him. He winds up where? And how long

00:06:44.780 does it take for them to find him? So he goes back to this Minneapolis address.

00:06:49.180 How far is that from this? It's a walk. I mean, it's going to take a little while to get there,

00:06:55.960 definitely, you know, five, ten miles or so to that address. He then, and we have this all on

00:07:02.180 surveillance camera. We've been able to get some surveillance video from the neighbors who could

00:07:06.780 see his last movements. He's moving around some of his police cars. At one point, a bike appears out

00:07:12.200 of the shed. It's all very strange. But then he walks to a nearby bus stop. And again, according

00:07:17.040 to the charging document, this is where he meets a stranger. He wants to buy an e-bike off of this

00:07:22.160 guy who then offers and says, I actually have a car for sale, too. It breaks down a bit. But he buys

00:07:28.180 the e-bike and this black Buick from this stranger at the bus stop for $900. This man actually drives him

00:07:36.360 to the bank where he empties his $2,200 he has in his bank account. This is when the FBI

00:07:42.120 releases surveillance video of him wearing a cowboy hat. This is the last picture. Basically,

00:07:48.140 the picture they're releasing to the public to find this guy that morning. But this then leads

00:07:52.100 to the largest manhunt in Minnesota history to find him. He ends up, we know now, he'd been texting

00:07:59.400 his wife. He said something along the lines of, Dad went to war last night. And also something about

00:08:06.040 not wanting the kids to be on the property because there's going to be some people that are trigger

00:08:10.780 happy that could be there soon. So that seemed to be an indication he was going back. He calls himself

00:08:15.840 dad in his text with his wife. Right. Yeah, that's freaky. Yeah. And then it sounds like he went back to

00:08:23.800 that address to get money. There was a large amount of money that was left at the home. Ultimately, though,

00:08:30.360 the one that he was renting, the actual home that he shared with his wife and children in Green Isle.

00:08:35.800 So he drives back there. And then where does he go? He's actually found in a field not far from

00:08:41.940 that home at all. At this point, police had set up around his home. It was pretty obvious he wasn't

00:08:47.500 going to be getting into his house to get this cash. His wife, at one point, is pulled over

00:08:53.420 shortly after. She leaves the property. And she's found a couple hours from their home with guns,

00:09:04.000 their passports, and about $10,000 in cash.

00:09:07.980 Where are the kids?

00:09:08.700 In their vehicle. Three children are with her. Some of them are, a couple of them are older,

00:09:13.900 older kids. And it turns out from some of the reporting that's been done now, they call themselves

00:09:21.520 preppers. They had kind of a plan. It's unclear if the wife knew of what he did.

00:09:29.620 Has she been charged?

00:09:30.600 She has not been charged. Correct.

00:09:33.480 Wow, this is an even weirder story than I realized. Okay, so who is he? What do we know about

00:09:39.480 the man who has been charged with these murders?

00:09:42.360 Yeah, this is what's interesting. He grew up in a small town in Minnesota in Sleepy Eye. His dad was

00:09:49.900 a standout baseball star, a long-time baseball.

00:09:52.340 Sleepy Eye is the name of the town?

00:09:53.580 Sleepy Eye, Minnesota. Yes.

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00:09:57.820 And he has, a lot of people have described him to us as a devout Christian. I don't think you're

00:10:06.060 a Christian if you're capable of this, clearly. It's interesting how the media, you see this

00:10:12.000 happening with this story, automatically takes their corners. You have some friend of his that

00:10:17.960 says he's a Trump supporter. So this is how the story is painted, that this lunatic Trump

00:10:22.600 supporter goes on this rampage. But there's clearly so much more to this. And that's what

00:10:30.260 bothers me with the media. Nobody's willing to really ask these questions.

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00:12:36.880 What is that? What are we looking at here? This is bizarre. Father of five, prepper from Sleepy Eye,

00:12:44.480 Minnesota, all of a sudden winds up wearing a latex mask and like a fake police car and murdering

00:12:50.820 people. And then the police don't arrest him somehow at the shooting. I mean, the whole thing.

00:12:55.280 But what do we know about him? So he has also a hit list in his vehicle, literally called a

00:13:01.520 hit list, a handwritten hit list. It says hit list on it. It does. And there are 60 names of

00:13:09.380 different lawmakers. Is he worried that he might forget what the list is? There's all kinds of

00:13:13.580 notebooks with all kinds of things in them from what we understand. We did obtain this hit list that

00:13:18.120 went out to law enforcement because obviously they were protecting all of these legislators trying to

00:13:23.460 figure out, you know, where this guy was because this manhunt goes on for 43 hours before he just

00:13:27.940 surrenders in a field, puts his hands up in the air and basically walks toward law enforcement

00:13:32.160 and says, I'm I'm Vance Belter. But this hit list, these are all Democrats on the list. There's a couple

00:13:40.800 abortion clinics, Planned Parenthoods that are on there. So people have said, you know, this is some

00:13:45.760 sort of pro-life thing. But also, interestingly enough, he has a confession letter. This is what

00:13:52.860 I would call it. It's a letter made out to the FBI to Kash Patel that says that Governor Tim Walls

00:14:00.700 made him do this. He says that he made him do it because he wanted Senator Amy Klobuchar to be killed

00:14:09.260 and Walls then to take that Senate seat, which, again, makes no sense to any sane person. But these are

00:14:17.880 all part of the pieces.

00:14:20.060 Was Amy Klobuchar on the list?

00:14:22.100 What's interesting is Walls is not on the list. Klobuchar is on the list. There's somebody who has

00:14:31.820 passed away that's on the list. Some people who are not holding office anymore that are that are on the

00:14:38.620 list. So the list is a little strange in and of itself.

00:14:43.120 What did he spend his life doing? Like, what's his history? This guy's in his 50s?

00:14:47.880 57.

00:14:49.520 Not a typical profile.

00:14:51.460 No, it's...

00:14:52.420 Of a serial killer.

00:14:53.620 Right. That's where it seems that there seems to be some financial issues. We know that he spent

00:15:00.300 some time in the Congo. He talks about that.

00:15:05.020 In Congo?

00:15:05.820 Yes.

00:15:06.180 A lot of people from Sleepy Eye, Minnesota are just kind of hanging in the Congo?

00:15:09.740 Right. He was doing some mission trips, mission trips there. But there are also some non-profits

00:15:15.680 that he would start, but they had no customer base. There was a couple security businesses

00:15:21.100 that didn't have actual customers. His wife was listed on a website linked to a security business. We

00:15:28.740 know of this funeral homework that was going on.

00:15:31.560 Did he have a career? I mean, did he spend...

00:15:33.800 He was in the... Again, according to his LinkedIn profile that is now down, but did decades in the

00:15:39.480 food service industry. He was a general manager at a 7-Eleven. That was listed as well. But from

00:15:47.060 my law enforcement sources, it sounds like just a lot of this was just made up. Almost like there was

00:15:53.020 this double life that was being lived.

00:15:55.880 But at some point, he moves out part-time from his wife and five children to live in an apartment

00:16:01.360 with a roommate. I mean, what is that?

00:16:06.060 The way his roommate described it, he was working at these funeral homes and would keep kind of odd

00:16:13.720 hours. And so Minneapolis would be closer to where these would be located. But what's interesting is

00:16:20.300 even in his last movements that have been tracked by the neighbors, everybody has these great security

00:16:26.680 cameras nowadays. And they're kind of doing the detective work themselves over in that neighborhood

00:16:32.380 as well. But you can see him coming in with some plastic bags. We know now he'd bought

00:16:38.880 some supplies at Fleet Farm just leading up to these attacks. He's walking out with his notepads

00:16:43.980 from what law enforcement has said. He was doing a lot of writing, a lot of ramblings as they've

00:16:50.460 described them. At first, they said there was this manifesto. They kind of backed off on that and said

00:16:56.160 it's more of this hit list, nothing that seems to really make much sense as far as a motive

00:17:00.600 is concerned at this point. But for some reason, he did surrender to law enforcement. And it seems

00:17:07.380 in a way he wants to tell his story.

00:17:13.700 Wow. Is there any evidence that he had contact with law enforcement before this at any level?

00:17:19.620 Actually, no. No criminal record. Nothing.

00:17:21.960 Did he have any connection to the government at all that we know of?

00:17:25.040 Well, this is what's interesting. Also in that confession letter, he talks about he is

00:17:28.700 trained by the military. He says that he's – and this is what was on the website as well – that

00:17:35.560 he did security in Eastern Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, it says on his website. But at this

00:17:43.820 point, just still so many questions about what is actually even true.

00:17:48.480 What do you think?

00:17:49.760 You know, it's been difficult because in Minnesota, you just keep saying that these

00:17:58.680 kind of things don't happen, and then they do. And so much of this has happened. We've

00:18:04.960 kind of been dubbed this capital of chaos these last five or six years, and it's pretty disheartening.

00:18:12.460 You try to approach everything as a reporter and gather as many facts, but you're like,

00:18:17.160 how have we now come to report on political assassinations in Minnesota?

00:18:22.300 Yeah, I'm not surprised given what's happened there the last five years. But I just wonder

00:18:27.600 about this story in particular. Did he have contact with Walls? Do we know that Walls ever – as

00:18:34.120 Walls said, I met this guy ever?

00:18:36.060 Well, this is what's interesting. We know that he served on a board appointed by Walls. However,

00:18:44.540 I'll say that –

00:18:46.400 What kind of board was that?

00:18:47.140 It was a workforce development board. They have, I think, more than 100 of these boards

00:18:52.560 in Minnesota. Most of them are voluntary boards. So he was appointed to that board by Governor

00:18:58.540 Mark Dayton, a Democrat, and reappointed by Walls. That expired in 2023.

00:19:05.120 So it is unclear if they ever knew each other. They were on the – interesting, Senator Hoffman

00:19:11.460 and Vance Belter were on the same board together. So you would think that they somehow knew each

00:19:18.480 other.

00:19:20.560 How did a 7-Eleven manager slash mortuary remains disposal guy wind up on a governor-appointed

00:19:27.720 board in the state?

00:19:30.340 Also a good question.

00:19:32.280 It's a little weird, right?

00:19:34.000 Yeah. Yeah. There's just so many things in his background that don't seem to make

00:19:38.180 much sense. And also just – he had several properties in his name, seven cars. He's asking

00:19:45.200 for a public defender because he has no money. He just paid more than $500,000 for his home

00:19:50.500 in Green Isle a couple of years ago.

00:19:53.560 So where's the money coming from? I think there are questions about that as well.

00:19:58.440 From the body disposal business? Like how much does – and this guy is renting an apartment

00:20:03.540 to take a job hours from his $500,000 home that cannot be a high-paying job. I don't know what

00:20:11.580 mortuary is paid to dispose of bodies, but it can't be a lot.

00:20:15.600 Yeah. Law enforcement seems to think that he'd been plotting, you know, something for a long

00:20:20.000 time. What was the final, you know – I don't know.

00:20:25.060 Okay. So nothing about this makes sense at all.

00:20:27.500 Correct.

00:20:27.860 So there's been a ton of speculation that he, like a number of other people, high-profile

00:20:37.460 murderers in the last 50 years may have been like not at all what he seemed to be. This

00:20:43.940 is like some sort of operation designed to discredit, you know, the enemies of the people

00:20:49.980 who designed it. Do you think there's any – I mean, is it worth pulling on those threads?

00:20:54.840 Oh, I think it's worth it, and that's what we've been doing. It just seems that, you

00:21:02.300 know, even talking to profilers through this, they really – maybe there is something more

00:21:07.500 because none of this actually makes sense or adds up to become that radicalized, you

00:21:14.980 know, what actually happened. But it's a story, you know, we're obviously staying on.

00:21:22.000 Yeah, maybe we'll wind up like the Vegas shooting where it doesn't make sense at all, and no

00:21:27.360 one wants to talk about it, and we just kind of forget about it. You know, biggest mass

00:21:30.940 shooting in American history that, like, no one mentions ever. But clearly, it's not.

00:21:35.400 And you've already seen that with the media in Minnesota. It's, okay, he's a Trump supporter.

00:21:39.880 We – this is why he did it, and that's it. I mean, it's just absolutely insane what

00:21:44.620 has happened to the media. No curiosity, no common sense. It's really disgusting, and no

00:21:50.700 wonder the public is not informed, especially in Minnesota.

00:21:54.160 Yeah, and this story is just inherently bizarre. So, you've – you're from the state. You've

00:21:58.240 worked in media there. You were one of the highest rated anchors in the state. You've

00:22:03.220 made a couple references to the media. It might be worth reminding people what happened.

00:22:05.920 If you could just give us a short tour of your work history. How did you lose your job

00:22:12.280 in television in Minnesota?

00:22:14.000 Yeah. So, I worked at WCCO, a long-time anchor and investigative reporter there. My

00:22:21.780 family was caught up in the George Floyd fallout. My husband, a long time –

00:22:27.260 You murdered George Floyd?

00:22:28.920 No, I did not.

00:22:29.740 Okay, good.

00:22:30.440 Despite what the media may tell you. But they – yeah, so many people were canceled in

00:22:38.100 the wake of all of that, and I was one of them. My husband, long-time Minneapolis police

00:22:42.940 officer. He was serving as the union president at the time. He came out with a few sentences

00:22:50.000 that basically said, we'd like the body camera footage. We're awaiting that. Let's not rush

00:22:55.680 to judgment with all of this, and we're backing these police officers until we – he did what

00:23:02.320 a union president, I think, probably is supposed to do.

00:23:05.100 I hope any American citizen would take that same position. We're not going to send people

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00:26:18.720 after us. I mean, he had been planning at that point to retire around this time anyway. But yeah,

00:26:24.460 the mob came out in full attack. I never anchored a newscast at WCCO ever again.

00:26:30.760 What? What did you have to do with it? I'm still not exactly sure. But that's fear is a powerful

00:26:39.200 thing, I think, especially in in Minnesota. Well, let's let's unpack this. Okay, so your husband

00:26:47.520 had to leave after 32 years as a police officer because he said, let's wait for the evidence

00:26:53.400 before deciding. Okay. I can see that happening in the hysteria and the race mobs that formed after

00:27:00.780 George Floyd, Odita and Fennell. But what do you how are you why would you be punished for that?

00:27:08.500 Yeah, it was ridiculous. I finished out my contract and then eventually left, but I would go.

00:27:14.440 But why were you not allowed to do newscasts after?

00:27:17.540 You know, at first I understood that I obviously can't report on this story. There's a conflict

00:27:21.300 of interest and I never had. I'd never reported on police union issues in Minneapolis. I mean,

00:27:25.960 we've been married for a few years by the time this even happened. But all of a sudden it became like

00:27:30.200 we were in this hidden marriage as if I was supposed to start every newscast by talking about who my

00:27:35.080 husband is. I mean, can you imagine in this world why this even matters? But then it appeared

00:27:40.080 my name started appearing. You know, every story that I did, no matter what, it would be

00:27:45.280 just a reminder. Liz Collin is married to Bob Kroll. I mean, literally, this would be printed in

00:27:49.420 stories on the on our website. And I was like, this is, you know, this is just completely absolutely

00:27:56.500 insane.

00:27:57.080 Wait, your employer put that?

00:27:58.220 Yes. It was this disclaimer because they felt like they needed to, you know, the public needed to

00:28:03.100 know this because of everything that had transpired.

00:28:07.000 So, the station, without asking you, kept doing this.

00:28:10.820 Right. This is a CBS station. I mean, I don't think, I think you can watch any CBS station and

00:28:15.880 realize what is going on at those places. CBS.

00:28:20.440 Oh, it's an operator.

00:28:22.020 Yes.

00:28:22.520 Okay. So, how did they tell you you're no longer allowed to do your job because of who your husband

00:28:28.140 is?

00:28:28.860 Well, at first it just drags on for weeks. Weeks turned to months and...

00:28:34.800 But they pulled you off the air.

00:28:35.920 Yes. I was still allowed to report on a few things, but I was no longer allowed to report

00:28:41.880 on state government, city government, anything to do with policing. I would have to get permission

00:28:48.240 before I would even be able to call someone in law enforcement. I mean, this has been my

00:28:52.240 career. I mean, I have a lot of good sources and I've reported on a lot of these issues long

00:28:58.260 before I was even married to Bob, but all of a sudden everything became an issue. And I will say

00:29:05.780 that my husband appeared on stage with President Trump. This was back in 2019 when he was running

00:29:12.840 for reelection. And that really became an issue with the station as well.

00:29:20.920 That your husband liked Trump.

00:29:22.480 Correct.

00:29:23.640 Yeah. You can't have an anchor whose husband likes Trump.

00:29:26.120 Right.

00:29:26.900 Right. Okay. Yeah. It's a really sick country. Wow. So, then you said the mob came. What does that mean?

00:29:34.180 Right. It really just means the mob came. Very literal. Okay.

00:29:39.640 They showed up to the station. They held a protest demanding that I be fired.

00:29:45.840 For being married to a cop.

00:29:47.700 Right. Yes. And then they showed up at our home four different times. We had protests that

00:29:53.860 summer of 2020.

00:29:54.900 At your home?

00:29:55.040 Yes. One sponsored by Black Lives Matter. They showed up with piñata effigies of myself

00:30:02.640 and my husband and beat us in our driveway.

00:30:06.120 Welcome to South Africa. That's crazy.

00:30:09.660 And you had a child at home?

00:30:11.340 We were not home that weekend, but yes. Actually, my child discovered this on YouTube years after

00:30:17.960 it happened. I thought I would keep it from him, but you can't do that, I guess, in this digital

00:30:23.660 world we live in.

00:30:24.980 Would you attempt to shoot them?

00:30:26.160 I think that's why I made sure my husband left town.

00:30:29.560 No, I mean, that's such a threatening act. I'm against shooting people in general, but

00:30:35.760 I think I would shoot someone who did that just because I would feel so threatened. I mean,

00:30:38.960 you're home?

00:30:39.840 Yeah, I've never felt so violated before. I consider myself a pretty strong person, but it took me

00:30:47.580 even a long time to even walk in the front lawn again, just thinking. They took a knee around

00:30:52.260 our flag, our American flag. If you were black, you were allowed to kneel in our front yard.

00:30:57.180 And if you're white, you had to look on as they were shouting. I mean, they literally brought a

00:31:02.180 bullhorn. They were shouting swear words at our neighborhood kids, threatening to burn the city

00:31:07.080 down where we lived.

00:31:08.760 And no one shot them. It's so weird how passive people are. Like, you couldn't get away with that

00:31:13.360 50 years ago. You couldn't do that.

00:31:14.840 But many cities have now passed ordinances in Minnesota saying, if you don't pull a permit

00:31:21.020 to protest, we're going to arrest all of you because nobody was arrested. Nothing happened

00:31:24.160 that day.

00:31:26.260 And your husband was a cop and his fellow cops didn't, nobody did anything.

00:31:31.760 Well, they wanted to show up also, but you know, I don't, we also have to recognize with

00:31:38.380 these groups, this is what they want. They want confrontation. They want lawsuits. This

00:31:42.680 is what they want. Maybe if someone smacked them in the face once in a while, they'd be

00:31:46.540 a little more respectful. I mean, I just think if you allow that kind of behavior, you're going

00:31:50.400 to get more of it, right?

00:31:51.300 Well, and I actually think this is what has happened in Minnesota. These political

00:31:54.840 disagreements have turned into these political attacks and people have allowed this to happen.

00:31:59.580 Well, I completely agree. It's passive Scandinavians. I know them well. I hate them. Sorry,

00:32:04.400 excuse me. I'm one of them.

00:32:06.140 You are one of them.

00:32:06.580 No, I know, but that's why I can say that. I'm allowed to say that.

00:32:08.560 Yeah.

00:32:09.240 But yeah, yeah. They're totally passive and self-hating and, you know, rape my wife. I

00:32:13.700 mean, they're really, it's a sickness in their brains, but it's, that's just so sad. So, and

00:32:18.980 they came back more than once, this mom?

00:32:20.980 Yeah, this was the largest. I mean, it was more than a hundred people paid, people paid

00:32:25.420 to, you know, to be there that, that day. They had lunch provided. I mean, this is just

00:32:29.560 completely insane.

00:32:30.600 Who do you think paid for it?

00:32:31.900 Well, Black Lives Matter was involved. You could, and this is what I thought was interesting

00:32:35.480 as a reporter. So keep in mind, I was still working at WCCO at the time, but I called my

00:32:39.980 news director and I said, the man leading this protest, he's running to be a state rep

00:32:46.180 and he's endorsed by Walls and the Democratic Party. I think that we should probably cover

00:32:51.460 this.

00:32:51.820 I did a story on this.

00:32:53.500 Yes.

00:32:54.520 I'm sorry.

00:32:55.780 I saw the protest on the news by you.

00:32:56.900 This is all coming back to me.

00:32:58.920 Yes.

00:33:00.240 Was that guy elected state rep?

00:33:01.720 He was elected. And I called my news director and I said, I think this is newsworthy.

00:33:04.880 You will not even believe what happened. And I was told that-

00:33:08.360 He was a racist too, that guy.

00:33:09.620 Yes. But I was told that that phone call showed my bias. How dare I, how dare I think

00:33:15.820 that that's a news story? You're so biased.

00:33:19.260 They said that to you at the station?

00:33:21.040 Mm-hmm. And so it would be days before they actually even reported on the, on the protest

00:33:24.960 before they had no choice, but-

00:33:26.420 At their own employee's house.

00:33:27.780 Correct.

00:33:28.560 A guy running for state house saying racist anti-white things. I remember this now.

00:33:32.820 Wow. I totally forgot this. That was you.

00:33:35.860 That was me.

00:33:36.800 I'm so sorry. That's so hateful. So how long were you at the station after that?

00:33:43.220 So I finished my contract a couple of years, not, not even quite. And then I had kind of

00:33:51.940 as a therapy who worked on my book called They're Lying, The Media, The Left, and The Death

00:33:57.460 of George Floyd, which is a bit about my personal story and so much of the truth that just never

00:34:03.660 stood a chance with all of this. And I left. I went into independent media. I didn't want

00:34:08.160 to lie anymore. I was disgusted with what the media had turned into.

00:34:13.580 How long were you at the station?

00:34:15.440 Nearly 14 years.

00:34:17.340 Wow. So what about all the people you, when you work in a place, you like, you know, you

00:34:22.280 know your supervisor, you know all the vice presidents and the station manager, the HR

00:34:28.580 people. Did, did anyone ever say, gosh, we're really mistreating you or sorry? Been here 14

00:34:33.080 years and were anyone, was there any human touch at all?

00:34:38.500 Yeah. I still have, you know, still have some friends, but I think that's really in life where

00:34:44.380 they knew the professional I was. They knew the work that I had done and, and that hurt,

00:34:51.700 you know, for the people that, you know, I kind of needed to stick up for me in that moment

00:34:56.900 and they, and they didn't. But it's also a bit of a relief knowing that that's why when

00:35:04.820 I left, I, I was ready. I was, you know, I knew that I could, it was time to listen to

00:35:09.740 that little voice inside of me. And I'd been praying about it for a long time and, and just

00:35:15.020 knew that there were things that I really had, had to do. It was a matter of truth.

00:35:19.540 I hope the station goes bankrupt. Is it still there?

00:35:22.460 I don't think they're doing so well, but I think that's local media in, in general.

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00:37:09.520 But to abandon your longtime employee because the mob demands it is like maybe the lowest thing I can

00:37:18.380 think of. You know, it was crazy because I grew up watching that station. I mean, literally it was

00:37:24.480 the dream job when I finally landed it, when I worked in all these crappy markets, you know,

00:37:28.860 lived in crappy places. But I, you know, I loved the news because I always felt like I'm, you know,

00:37:35.100 I'm just going to do whatever it takes to get back home, to be able to broadcast, you know,

00:37:39.560 my hometown and whatnot, as goofy as that sounds. It doesn't sound goofy. It sounds great. But

00:37:45.540 actually, and then it, it happened and just kind of, but I, you know, it's not even, even before

00:37:52.280 George Floyd, you could see what the media was, was turning into. And that really bothered me on a

00:37:58.000 moral and ethical level more than anything else. What were they turning into? Just not so much what we

00:38:02.380 would tell the public anymore, but what we would not, how we would craft a story. I talk a lot about

00:38:10.260 this in the book, but there were mandates after George Floyd that half of the people we interviewed

00:38:16.140 had to be non-white or from a protected class in the wake of that.

00:38:20.840 Where did those mandates come from?

00:38:22.640 From what I understand, CBS News. You could not use the term riots at all in your reporting.

00:38:29.080 Actually?

00:38:29.440 Right. Just the way we would control the language and shape stories.

00:38:32.720 W-C-C-O?

00:38:34.580 Correct.

00:38:35.800 Boy, I can't, when they do go bankrupt, will you text me just so I can celebrate?

00:38:39.520 I really hope that they go under soon. That's so dishonest.

00:38:44.200 Yeah, and it hasn't, it's actually only gotten worse, I think, with a lot of things that have

00:38:51.060 transpired. But again, I'm, I feel blessed to be on the other side. Perhaps you can relate.

00:38:56.340 You're a positive person. It's just, I think it's important to know, because the net effect

00:39:02.760 was the death of a lot of people, the total destruction of a great American city.

00:39:07.480 Yeah.

00:39:07.560 Um, it was just pure evil in the end. Black people didn't benefit, white people didn't,

00:39:13.260 I mean, no one benefited, um, really. And I, it just bothers me that it's been memory hold

00:39:19.160 and that no one responsible for the killing and the destruction has ever been held accountable.

00:39:23.600 Mm-hmm.

00:39:24.720 Okay. Since you wrote a book on it, um, and it's been five years, can we just assess what

00:39:31.200 the, what was the George Floyd thing, do you think? Having looked into it more than maybe

00:39:35.300 any other person, um, like what's, what's your, like, how did, how did George Floyd die?

00:39:41.340 What was that? How did, why did that instantly become a revolution that wrecked my country?

00:39:47.780 And like, what was that?

00:39:50.580 You could definitely tell, I mean, Minnesota, we really had the perfect players in place.

00:39:55.080 Again, we have Governor Tim Walz, we have Attorney General Keith Ellison, uh, Minneapolis Mayor

00:40:00.220 Jacob Fry. Um, this was an election year that had so much to do with, with it. And you could

00:40:06.760 see these things were happening around the country, you know, just looking to spark, um, chaos.

00:40:12.600 Yes. And in Minneapolis, they, they had the, the recipe. Um, and I saw the manipulation

00:40:18.580 day one. Um, they were not, they did not release the body camera videos.

00:40:24.040 Can I say it's a, it was one of the whitest cities in America along with Portland and Seattle?

00:40:28.980 Yeah, that's true. Yes. Primarily. Yes.

00:40:30.880 Yeah. So that is another factor. It's the, you know, this didn't happen in Miami because

00:40:35.320 the Hispanics don't hate themselves, but the whites do. This is just my editorializing. It's

00:40:38.980 just the demographics played a role in this. It was the, it was the whitest cities,

00:40:42.440 that weren't the craziest. But you have this, as they frame it, this white police officer,

00:40:47.520 um, you know, kneeling on the neck of a black man, the optics were there. Um, however, the

00:40:55.060 body camera video shows a much different story. And if they would have released this, I just

00:40:59.460 don't even think we'd be here having this. But is there any evidence that George Floyd

00:41:02.900 was, was suffocated by Derek Chauvin? No, there is much more evidence to support that that

00:41:09.520 in fact had nothing to do with it. You have George Floyd talking about how he can't breathe

00:41:13.520 before Derek Chauvin arrives on scene. You have a black police officer who arrested George Floyd

00:41:19.060 and Alex King, who was on the job for three days off of his field training. Nobody talks

00:41:23.980 about Alex King. What happened to him?

00:41:25.440 He just got out of prison. He went to prison? He's one of the, the four police officers put

00:41:30.620 in, in prison. But nobody knows about, they think this is just a white cop, um, black suspect.

00:41:37.900 I didn't know that.

00:41:38.520 And this is the story the media told and it's disgusting.

00:41:42.460 The bottom line, is there actual evidence that Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd?

00:41:47.620 I would say the answer is no. There's no strangulation marks. There's no bruising on his

00:41:53.620 neck. Um, why didn't they release the autopsy, which was done within 12 hours of him, uh, dying,

00:42:00.220 uh, to the public that showed all of this. Uh, he had an enlarged heart. He died of a heart

00:42:06.060 attack. The first words on his, uh, autopsy are just that cardiopulmonary arrest is his cause

00:42:13.280 of death. He did not die of suffocation. No. So why is Derek Chauvin still in jail? Why

00:42:20.460 did officer King go to jail? Is there anyone else in jail for this still? Uh, Thomas Lane

00:42:25.040 was released also and Tutau was still in prison. Uh, Tutau was given an extra year on his sentence

00:42:30.700 because, uh, the judge in this case, judge Peter Cahill did not like how he was reciting

00:42:35.600 Bible verses during his sentencing and gave him an extra year.

00:42:43.280 Um, but the real threat is Iran. Okay. Um, wow. That's so offensive. It's hard. You still

00:42:53.100 live there. I do. Yeah. Um, so how did, if, if there's no evidence that he murdered George

00:43:01.920 Floyd, why was I at Fox scolded for saying that he didn't murder George Floyd, which I

00:43:06.900 was, by the way, I said, George Floyd seemed like he died of a drug OD because that's what

00:43:10.680 the autopsy seemed to say. Um, why is that not widely known? Why does nobody, even now,

00:43:17.080 five years later, people have to be like, Oh, he was killed by white and all these trying

00:43:20.840 not to use the effort, but all these Republican office holders are like, no, he was murdered

00:43:25.080 by a, you know what I mean? White cop. Yeah. I hear it. That's not true. Yeah, it isn't.

00:43:30.640 And there's, there's a reason race never even came up in Derek Chauvin's trial. There's

00:43:34.720 no evidence of race having anything to do with anything. Um, and that's why I put the book

00:43:40.000 out and it was released in, in 2022, right before, um, I wanted it out before the election

00:43:45.900 for walls and Ellison, um, sadly didn't work, but, um, but then we, it led to the documentary

00:43:51.820 called the fall of Minneapolis. And we tried to really bring out the truth that nobody heard,

00:43:57.980 uh, in this case in that documentary. And more than 10 million people have seen it all around,

00:44:02.220 uh, the world, um, which is amazing considering it was just kind of this little, this little

00:44:08.020 documentary, but it also, I think proves that the truth still matters. I just wish somebody

00:44:12.020 would do something about it. So is this, is there anyone else in Minneapolis saying this?

00:44:20.940 No, it's actually interesting. They then paint me, of course, I'm a right-wing conspiracy theorist.

00:44:26.660 That's how I'm referred to. I'm just a crazy person, uh, for bringing out these facts. I mean,

00:44:30.740 again, I think it's 237 citations I have in my book. This is all, I'm a journalist. This is what

00:44:36.560 I've done for 20 years. But what's the counter-argument is, okay, so everyone stands up,

00:44:41.240 Nikki Haley and Jeb Bush and all, you know, all these people, um, probably the majority of the

00:44:48.900 Republican senators, uh, who were serving five years ago said this, you know, black man murdered by a

00:44:54.880 white cop. Um, what evidence are they pointing to, to, to prove that? And how did he get convicted

00:45:01.760 of it? Well, the trial in and of itself is, um, really quite, quite something. You have,

00:45:07.620 um, the police training, the maximal restraint technique, um, that the office was reusing that

00:45:12.540 day. That was not allowed in trial. Uh, judge Cahill did not allow that, uh, in Chauvin's trial.

00:45:17.920 Can you explain what that is?

00:45:18.780 So interestingly enough, um, these two pages of the manual go offline, uh, two days after the incident,

00:45:27.840 they disappear, the MRT. And you can hear in the body camera footage, which again, the public is

00:45:33.600 not allowed, uh, to see until many months later. And I, to this day, most people have never taken

00:45:39.100 the time to watch the video, of course. Um, and the officers are talking about the MRT. Thomas Lane

00:45:46.520 says, uh, let's just MRE. He means MRT. They all are working together, um, in this moment, knowing what

00:45:53.020 the MRT is. Why then, um, do you have the mayor? He comes out, um, about 24 hours later and says,

00:46:01.280 and by the way, um, this is a technique not trained, um, by the MPD.

00:46:06.220 This is Jacob Fry.

00:46:07.580 Correct.

00:46:08.080 Who is he? Is he from Minneapolis?

00:46:10.620 No, from Virginia. He was brought to Minneapolis to run for city council and then, um, the mayor.

00:46:17.400 Good question.

00:46:18.800 He's not, he has nothing to do with Minneapolis at all. And he winds up becoming mayor.

00:46:23.480 And in many ways, destroying Minneapolis.

00:46:25.980 Is he still there?

00:46:26.900 He's still there.

00:46:27.900 Is he still the mayor?

00:46:28.920 He's still the mayor.

00:46:30.720 Why isn't he in prison?

00:46:33.300 You know, I, I've gone to him for more interview requests at this point than I can count. At one

00:46:37.600 point I just started chasing him around, um, one morning to try to get him to answer questions.

00:46:42.840 It's kind of funny that somebody would be literally running away from me, but that's what he did.

00:46:46.680 Um, but I just, my, so my question is, why are you lying? Why have you been lying about all this?

00:46:50.420 Because we saw this again, this five years later, these stories are just so over the top and nobody

00:46:56.960 is telling the truth about it. Even five years later, it's almost as if you just continue to

00:47:01.500 repeat this lie. Um, you know, enough people will believe it.

00:47:04.800 The mayor, Jacob Fry, who's not from Minneapolis, who's brought in and somehow becomes mayor and

00:47:09.860 then wrecks the city that he's not from, didn't build. Um, he says in public shortly after the

00:47:17.860 death that the restraint technique, the police officers used on George Floyd was not taught

00:47:22.840 to them. Correct. And that's not true. Yeah. These pages go missing of the manual, which,

00:47:29.080 which explain the technique. And I, exactly. And I said into my newsroom at the time, this is really

00:47:35.040 quite something they are trying to cover this up. We should really be doing a story about this.

00:47:41.100 And I'm the crazy person. What did they say? Um, it was just like, you have to go along with this

00:47:46.920 narrative. This is the narrative of the moment and we are going to push it on the public. We even had

00:47:52.500 reporters using Black Lives Matter as hashtags in their reporting. Not really. Really. And that was

00:47:58.780 allowed. And I said, well, here's their website and this is a political organization. Why would we

00:48:04.080 allow this ever? Um, but again, I'm the, the crazy conservative, I guess, in the newsroom at this

00:48:13.920 point, that was the corner I was cast in and I should just shut up.

00:48:20.180 Oh, I guess this is why I've forgotten so many of the details because they're just horrifying. So,

00:48:24.900 so the public doesn't get to know that the restraint technique that the police officers,

00:48:28.900 not just Derek Chauvin, but the other three used against this berserk drug addict, um, convicted

00:48:35.700 felon, that that was a technique that they learned at the police academy and that was.

00:48:39.840 Trained for decades.

00:48:41.080 Trained for decades.

00:48:41.800 Yeah. It'd been around for, we found manuals, uh, with the MRT in the nineties. I mean, we did a

00:48:48.400 lot of research.

00:48:48.940 Did they apply it correctly? Did they do what they were taught to do?

00:48:50.940 It's in, it's actually in there to wait, uh, to hold and wait for, um, EMS. This is also something

00:48:57.540 else that, um, was never talked about. The ambulance went to the wrong address, which is why there is

00:49:03.980 such a long, typically an ambulance would be there in about 90 seconds at the most. There's,

00:49:08.700 you know, um, a fire station that close. They went to the wrong address. And you see this on

00:49:13.140 the body camera footage, um, that, uh, one of the paramedics is almost joking around with Thomas

00:49:18.520 Lane going, gosh, we didn't know where you guys were. We went to the wrong place. It's why it took

00:49:21.980 us so long. Um, and there's a very problematic EMS response to all of this. That isn't, that is also

00:49:28.360 not allowed to be discussed in, in Chauvin's trial either.

00:49:32.140 What's the problematic EMS response?

00:49:34.080 The fact that they, they go to the wrong address. They also are hooking George Floyd up to, um,

00:49:41.080 to, to, to get air or to, to breathe. And the, the, the machine itself is not plugged in,

00:49:46.160 in the ambulance. Um, you know, there has been.

00:49:49.820 The machine is not plugged in?

00:49:51.240 Yes. This is all in the, in the documentary. Um.

00:49:55.340 Did anyone hit him with Narcan?

00:49:57.980 You know, that's a question I get quite a bit. And this is before,

00:50:02.480 you know, this is more than five years ago at this point where they didn't even,

00:50:07.120 the officers didn't all have Narcan at that point. This is kind of just the beginnings of

00:50:12.160 all of that. And you also had two officers that were, um, brand new and they were partnered together.

00:50:19.240 And I think you can see even just with their interactions, they understand something is going

00:50:23.600 on with him. He also stuffs some, you know, what you think are drugs in his mouth during their

00:50:30.160 interaction. And they're asking him, what do you want? What did you take? And, you know,

00:50:33.760 he's very combative, but they think it's more of a, something is going on medically. They try to get

00:50:38.240 him into the squad car. It's George Floyd himself who asks to be laid on the ground. Many people don't

00:50:43.240 know that. Uh, he asks to be laid on the ground himself. Um, and this is just this hold, um,

00:50:49.660 that they do, but we quickly find out again, it's within 12 hours that in his autopsy, you can

00:50:55.980 see that he's been described to us as a ticking time bomb. Sadly, George Floyd, he has this tumor,

00:51:02.600 uh, a paraganglioma that more testing isn't done, um, on that. And that can lead to in his hip,

00:51:10.220 a large tumor. Um, and that can lead to death when people are in that hyped, uh, state,

00:51:16.280 which clearly George Floyd is on his face. When you watch the video that he knows he's dying

00:51:20.400 and he's panicked. Yes. I'll speak for myself and say, I really fell for the guy. You can see

00:51:25.640 the terror in his eyes. Like he's on his way out. He's not ready for it. You know, God knows where

00:51:30.280 he's going and he knows, he knows that. And, but it's, it's just obvious from the video that it has

00:51:37.860 nothing to do with how he's being treated by the cops. Like that's why he's freaking out. Cause he

00:51:42.080 knows he's dying. Did you feel that watching? Well, I've been a kind of a cops reporter,

00:51:47.380 I guess for years, but you always know that there's more to this. And also quickly we learned

00:51:52.260 within those first couple of days, he'd been arrested in 2019 by the Minneapolis police

00:51:56.200 department. He was the subject of an undercover drug investigation, George Floyd. Again, something

00:52:01.000 people had no idea almost exactly a year prior and police have an interaction with him and he has an

00:52:06.980 overdose. It's almost a carbon copy of the interaction. Don't shoot me. Uh, he's very

00:52:12.280 resistant. Um, saying I can't breathe. Yes, it's all, all on video. And that's actually how we start,

00:52:18.480 um, our documentary. Was that introduced to his trial? In fact, the police say that, um, the police

00:52:24.980 chief says they've never heard of George Floyd before. They have no idea who he is. And that's in

00:52:29.040 shortly after. The police chief says that? The police chief. Why would he say that?

00:52:32.280 That's a whole nother. Yeah. The police chief, um, at the time is Madera Arradondo. Uh, he's serving

00:52:40.180 in that, uh, capacity. Is he from Minneapolis? He's from Minneapolis. Uh, but many people on the

00:52:45.100 department, they feel that he just sold their entire department out. Where is he now? Looking

00:52:52.340 for a job, I think. He's selling a book. May he long be unemployed. Is he an ally of Jacob Fries?

00:52:59.480 Yes. I mean, certainly. Yes. The mayor and the chief worked alongside each other, but you also

00:53:05.580 have this chief who then makes, makes this all about race. He embraces that also. And again,

00:53:14.000 when it's so clear, the evidence doesn't support that at all. You have a Hmong American officer

00:53:18.460 in Tutau, a black officer in Alex King, and then, uh, Thomas Lane and Derek Chauvin who are white.

00:53:25.120 And they sold this to the public as this is the. The face of white supremacy. Yes. And all these

00:53:31.260 repulsive preachers got up there and Protestant churches and sold that to their congregations.

00:53:38.140 Yeah. All these politicians, like basically every leader, every business leader, you know,

00:53:43.220 the entire leadership class of the country pivoted behind this lie within 24 hours. Nikki Haley was like,

00:53:49.580 we need Minneapolis to burn down. It'll be an atonement for the sins of white supremacy. I mean,

00:53:54.580 it was like, never seen anything like it. Um, what was that? Like, it really felt like it,

00:54:01.820 they were, this was a, a play that they had like planned for this day.

00:54:07.140 You had governor walls, um, saying these same things, fanning, again, fanning the flames,

00:54:12.320 withholding the national guard, encouraging people, um, to basically show up and, and protest.

00:54:18.460 Um, you had his wife, uh, speak on camera about how she left the windows open to the governor's

00:54:23.380 mansion so she could smell the burning tires, uh, just to really appreciate the, the, the movement

00:54:29.860 and the moment. The Winnie Mandela of Minnesota, necklacing her enemies. Um, yeah. Crazy.

00:54:37.140 And it of course changed the country forever. Um, so, but it did, but the, the response

00:54:46.260 felt coordinated. I guess that's what I'm saying. Was it?

00:54:49.960 You, you did. You had, uh, planes filled with people coming in shortly after, um, protestors.

00:54:56.680 Planes filled with people. I've spoken to people that work at the airport that have told me about

00:55:00.960 that. People that would just, a lot of young kids. We had people at our house who admitted to us

00:55:05.820 that they, um, came from Oregon. They had no idea who we were. They were holding signs in our

00:55:10.520 neighborhood. Um, but they got a free weekend at a hotel. So they came to our, you know, suburban

00:55:16.220 neighborhood to hold a sign in front of our yard.

00:55:18.780 Who paid for all this?

00:55:20.240 Well, and that's what's always bothered me as a reporter. Also, this is all, these are all things

00:55:25.080 you can track down. You know, these are all public, public documents. Um, but yes, these left-wing

00:55:31.000 groups, uh, George Soros had a role. That's pretty clear. Um, and many of these, these

00:55:35.860 groups that, you know, popped up, Black Lives Matter, uh, played a, played a big role in all

00:55:42.020 of this. You know, again, you follow the money, you follow the power, and that's kind of where

00:55:46.040 the truth usually, usually is.

00:55:47.680 And Black Lives Matter got its funding mostly from corporate America, I think.

00:55:51.740 Yes. No. And many Minnesota corporations, um, you know, fed, fed into that. You see some of

00:55:58.180 that going, going away now, thankfully. Um, but you had, um, George Floyd Memorial Field

00:56:03.340 at Target Field, where the Minnesota Twins play.

00:56:05.720 Not really.

00:56:06.480 Really. For years.

00:56:08.040 The drug addict, porn star, armed robber, they named the field after him?

00:56:11.440 Mm-hmm.

00:56:12.160 He's the civic hero in Minnesota now?

00:56:13.660 They had a banner. Again, thankfully, that's now been taken down, but.

00:56:17.240 But they called it George Floyd Memorial Field?

00:56:19.920 Correct.

00:56:21.740 Hmm. The Episcopal Cathedral in San Francisco, where I was baptized, um, I visited it shortly.

00:56:28.160 Shortly after that, and they had a St. George Floyd pennant. You could, you could kind of hang

00:56:35.800 in your house. A little icon.

00:56:38.040 It's crazy. I mean, even that area, 38th and Chicago, most of the businesses are gone.

00:56:42.700 In fact, um, talk about irony, the businesses are suing the city of Minneapolis, uh, for a

00:56:47.860 lack of police presence in that, that area. You've had skyrocketing crime since. Um, you

00:56:55.520 know, this, the mantra was that we'd be living on the right side of history. This is what we were

00:56:59.720 told over and over again, whether it be our governor, the mayor, the police chief, this

00:57:04.840 is the right side of history. And I've yet to find anyone who actually thinks that we're

00:57:08.960 living there.

00:57:10.300 At the, at the time, so the trial, the riots happened. How many people died during the riots,

00:57:14.040 do you recall?

00:57:14.380 Um, it's been reported about five or six, but again, do you tie them just to the, the

00:57:20.560 most expensive riots in, in U.S. history, 1,500 businesses, uh, either damaged or destroyed

00:57:26.480 in, in the wake of them.

00:57:27.860 Then the trial happens. Does anybody in Minneapolis, in any position of authority or in the media

00:57:35.400 say, Hey, wait a second. There's no evidence that these cops killed this guy.

00:57:40.540 Nope.

00:57:41.560 Nobody said that.

00:57:42.920 No. My, my husband, we saw, we saw what happened to him and he just, you know, he's a believer

00:57:49.640 of due process. He's a, you know, this is, they obviously had attorneys, but even the attorneys

00:57:55.720 representing these officers were not very vocal, um, in, in all of this. It's almost

00:58:00.760 like the truth just didn't stand.

00:58:02.060 So one of the lessons is, and this is just a, the ugliest feature of human nature, but

00:58:05.500 if, if someone or something becomes super unpopular, only an infinitesimally small number

00:58:11.700 of people are brave enough to, to stand up and tell the truth. Like if the, once the mob

00:58:18.460 forms, almost everybody goes along with it. Was that, did you know that before this happened?

00:58:24.680 Not on this level. No. I, and that's why I kept speaking up. I kept going, well, Hey,

00:58:29.160 there's this, Hey, let's do this story. Hey, there's, and then it just became very clear

00:58:32.880 to me. Like, this is scary. This is scary. This is what, you know, the world has turned

00:58:40.100 into. This is what the media has turned into.

00:58:42.020 This is, they just lynched these guys and everyone kind of posed with pictures of the

00:58:47.380 corpse. Like it's just exactly what you read about in dark times long ago. And it happens

00:58:52.840 in Minneapolis, like the most civilized American city we've ever had. The most polite city in

00:58:58.580 the world.

00:58:59.620 You have the mayor crying at, you know, George Floyd's casket, um, at his funeral. People

00:59:05.300 couldn't gather for COVID, but yet George Floyd had a highly attended funeral and you could

00:59:10.620 protest in a riot. That was encouraged.

00:59:12.440 George Floyd's dead. And I already said, I felt sorry for him watching the video because

00:59:16.080 he knew he was dying and like, it's scary, you know, for people who haven't prepared for

00:59:20.920 it, I think. But is there any evidence now that we know more about George Floyd, the man

00:59:26.160 that George Floyd ever did anything to improve our society or help anybody else or did any

00:59:30.700 virtuous or redeeming things ever?

00:59:33.540 No, there's actually been so much that has not been reported about him. I mean, clearly

00:59:38.580 he was an addict. He struggled, struggled as an addict for most of his adult life. He spent

00:59:42.740 most of his adult life in and out of prison. That's, um, documented. Um, but even his,

00:59:50.120 he was from St. Louis Park. Uh, he didn't even live in Minneapolis. He lived in St. Louis

00:59:54.120 Park, a suburb with his roommates and his roommates have talked about how his family never even

00:59:58.420 came to gather his personal belongings. They were just left there. His car was still there.

01:00:03.220 I mean, like a year later, um, his family all got rich, right?

01:00:06.660 Right. They were paid $27 million during Derek Chauvin's, uh, jury selection. They were awarded

01:00:14.480 $27 million. What do you think kind of message that sent, uh, to the jury being seated at the

01:00:19.580 time?

01:00:19.720 Why hasn't Trump pardoned him?

01:00:21.820 You know, it's a little bit more complicated. Um, there were rumors about that perhaps happening,

01:00:26.420 but then he would be brought back to a state facility where he'd be in, can, you know,

01:00:32.860 he'd be in solitary confinement for sure. Um, and even if the president pardoned him on federal

01:00:37.500 charges, he has a current state state sentence. Um, and they've all can't find enough microphones

01:00:45.920 to talk about how they can't wait for that to happen because they would love him to serve

01:00:48.980 every last hour in Minnesota. Of course, why not send the national guard in and just liberate

01:00:52.560 him with by force? I mean, this is like, this is insane that we would allow something like

01:00:56.920 this.

01:00:57.200 Yeah. He has, um, at this point more than 15 years left on his sentence.

01:01:02.040 Federal.

01:01:03.680 They are concurrent sentences. So yes.

01:01:06.060 How old is he?

01:01:08.040 Um, at this point he would be, oh my gosh, that's a, you might have to edit this out.

01:01:14.580 He's a middle-aged man.

01:01:15.580 Yeah.

01:01:16.380 So he'll be an elderly man by the time he gets out.

01:01:18.860 Yeah. I think, uh, he would be in his sixties by the time of his release. Most of his life

01:01:23.900 gone for sure.

01:01:25.200 But so back to George Floyd, who, what, so George Floyd spent most of his life in and out

01:01:30.380 of prison. He was a drug addict. He appeared in a porn film. It's too perfect. He was at

01:01:36.980 one point convicted of armed robbery where he stuck a gun in the belly of a pregnant woman.

01:01:41.020 Am I misremembering this?

01:01:42.560 That, that's right. He, uh, committed a home invasion. Um, it, it doesn't seem to be clear

01:01:49.880 that she was pregnant, but yeah, pretty awful person. I think capable of doing, doing that

01:01:54.480 at all. Um, but, uh, he came then to, to Minneapolis and I know he was fired from a couple

01:02:01.440 of jobs. Um, he was working, um, and basically hooking up with, with people at one job that he

01:02:10.300 had people, addicts and bringing them back to his home, something that's not allowed. And in fact,

01:02:15.800 uh, in the book, I detail, he was the suspect in a couple of, uh, rapes in Minnesota, um, where that

01:02:22.740 evidence has mysteriously disappeared.

01:02:24.260 Like what, what does that mean to be a suspect in rapes? Like the police, the police were

01:02:29.820 investigating. Um, he was being accused of, of rape.

01:02:38.980 And this was the hero after whom they named the ballpark.

01:02:43.340 Still shocking to this day, but is this how far we've fallen as a society? What has happened

01:02:48.880 to the moral compass?

01:02:51.020 It's not even a fall. It's like, uh, it's an attack, not by, you know, the population

01:02:57.580 itself, but by its leaders trying to invert virtue and make you worship a rapist. And

01:03:04.520 St. George Floyd, if they can make you worship someone like that, the lowest person in your

01:03:10.900 society, like truly the lowest, stupid, criminal, violent, selfish, addicts are selfish by definition.

01:03:17.380 If that's the hero they can make you worship, then they just, they, they flip the society

01:03:22.660 upside down and they destroy it.

01:03:23.940 Governor Walz at one point asked for all, um, public schools, kids to, you know, be silent for

01:03:30.800 nine minutes and 29 seconds. You know, the, the time frame, um, he did that in a, in a declaration.

01:03:39.840 Many people I heard from did not.

01:03:41.560 But they were, they literally, the public schools were required to worship George Floyd.

01:03:44.700 Correct.

01:03:44.940 Okay. Um, a couple of the threads I just want to get to. So you're, I think you're a rigorous,

01:03:53.960 honest person. Do you see any way an honest jury or an honest process could result in the conviction

01:04:02.460 of Chauvin and the other three?

01:04:04.240 No. I mean, if our judicial system is what it says it is, when you're presented with all of the

01:04:12.760 evidence and all of the facts and you take out all of the manipulation, the fear mongering, uh,

01:04:18.820 again, you had even Chauvin's, uh, trial, um, armed guards are standing by, uh, the Hennepin County

01:04:26.640 courthouse is, you know, being patrolled by this militia. And in a sense there are all these dispensing

01:04:33.380 is put up around the building. Uh, the jury is not sequestered for the trial. You have these mobs

01:04:38.540 of people out protesting every day. I don't think anybody in their right mind is going to say,

01:04:43.040 yeah, this guy is innocent because then I'm going to probably be protested or killed or lose my job

01:04:49.080 or whatever it is. Um, in the, the fallout again, I had nothing, really nothing to do with this.

01:04:54.900 And I was, uh, you know, demoted and canceled. And I mean,

01:04:58.780 don't see how Ted Cruz and the rest can say that Iran is the biggest threat to a country in which

01:05:04.440 things like this are happening. This is the threat, the attack on truth and fairness, decency,

01:05:10.300 the love of people for each other, the cohesiveness of your society, citizenship,

01:05:15.480 virtue, like all of it is, is dying because it's being overwhelmed by evil. And yet you look,

01:05:24.220 you know, your focus is outside the country on some theoretical threat.

01:05:27.160 We wish somebody would come to Minnesota and save us, Tucker.

01:05:30.000 No, but it's just like, look, I'm not saying Iran's not, hardly for Iran or for them having

01:05:34.660 a nuclear weapon, but compared to what, like this is our country and this happened and no one's ever

01:05:40.540 apologized. No one's ever been held accountable. The guys who didn't do the crime are still in

01:05:44.880 prison. It's like, it's crazy that this could happen because fairness really matters. If your

01:05:50.780 society's not fair, it's not worth defending.

01:05:52.880 You know, even speaking to Tutau's family, they are a family of refugees.

01:05:57.360 Both sets of their parents came to America and they talked about that with me.

01:06:02.520 It's like they picked the wrong country.

01:06:03.380 And they said that this is not what we thought America was.

01:06:06.180 Yeah. Okay. I didn't think that either. And I was born here. No, I agree.

01:06:09.440 Yeah.

01:06:10.340 Sorry. Sorry for the editorial, the constant editorializing. It's just what you're saying

01:06:13.180 is so, and the way you're saying it, which is like flat, just the facts, ma'am.

01:06:17.960 So, uh, it's driving me insane. I can't, how can you still live there?

01:06:23.840 Job security, Tucker.

01:06:25.100 Yeah. Good point. If you're one of five reporters in the entire state, like you're, you'll work

01:06:31.440 forever. Um, amazing. So who is Tim Walz exactly? Most of us, I just want to say, I think he's like,

01:06:40.080 should be investigated by the sex crimes unit. I really feel that way. I, you don't, I'm not

01:06:45.820 asking you to comment on that, but he's one of the creepiest people I've ever seen. The vibe I

01:06:49.800 get off that guy, I would not let him in my house. That's just my feeling. Maybe I'm being totally

01:06:54.060 unfair. In which case I apologize, but you have the facts. I don't, who is this guy?

01:07:00.600 Yeah. I think so much of this has happened on the watch of, of governor Walz. Again,

01:07:05.000 I'm talking about, I've lived in Minnesota for most of my life at this, this point as a reporter

01:07:10.340 there for 20 years. Um, I've just never born there, born, raised, um, spent a little time

01:07:15.600 outside of the state and been back for, for 20 years now, but I've just never seen, um,

01:07:22.960 you know, this kind of, I don't even know if you can call it leadership. I'm not exactly sure

01:07:28.100 manipulation, um, by, by a leader. Um, again, we've talked about this capital of chaos. This

01:07:36.080 has all been under his watch, but we've done so much reporting, um, over at Alpha news with

01:07:41.720 the truth of this guy. It was interesting to see others finally report about him because the local

01:07:45.980 media will not, uh, when he was picked, um, as the VP candidate, uh, for Kamala Harris, but

01:07:51.460 it started sort of with picking up on just these little lies he would tell. Um, and this is,

01:07:57.520 these are things that we would report on. Uh, he did not, uh, you know, he never was a command

01:08:03.240 sergeant major, despite the fact him, you know, saying that, that he was, he never attained this

01:08:08.360 rank in the military. Uh, instead he abandoned his, uh, troops and they were deployed to Iraq without

01:08:14.780 him and he ran for, for Congress. So I've always felt as a reporter, if someone lies about little

01:08:20.320 things, they're lying about big things. I think that's just, you know, that's a principle

01:08:27.340 that stands the test of time.

01:08:29.260 And I, you kind of would just see this with, with little things that he would say that was

01:08:33.380 just not reality. Um, but Minnesota has become, you know, the, the home of this defund the police

01:08:38.840 movement. It was on the ballot. Minneapolis did not vote to defund the police, but I would say

01:08:44.280 in every way, shape or form, they defunded the police. Um, you have the Minneapolis police

01:08:49.980 department that's lost about 40% of their cops, uh, since George Floyd, but instead of being

01:08:56.400 Minneapolis lost 40% of its cops in five years, nearly, nearly half. Yeah. And I actually think

01:09:02.580 we're just now getting to the point of, you thought there were problems with the police

01:09:06.840 five years ago. Just wait until you see some of these people that are coming up on the job.

01:09:12.280 It's going to be a cop now. Exactly. It's pretty horrifying. Um, and I don't blame any of these

01:09:16.620 people for, for leaving. Um, you get to go to hiring criminals. It'll just be a criminal gang

01:09:20.980 that's happened before. So under walls, we have the riots. Um, we have these, these lies just about

01:09:27.200 things with his background, um, that I think really deserve more attention, more investigating

01:09:34.740 these ties to China, which I think are troubling. What ties does he have to China? Well, he, um,

01:09:41.100 we know, uh, himself, he said that he's made more than 30 trips to China. Um, he went there

01:09:46.940 upon graduating trips to China, went there upon graduating. That's a long flight. And he's,

01:09:53.680 I mean, he spent his life, it's like a school teacher from Nebraska originally. What is he,

01:09:59.200 what is the school teacher from Nebraska doing, making 30 trips to China and in the national

01:10:04.580 guard at the time as well, making these trips to China? Um, we also know he started a,

01:10:10.620 but what, what, what was, what's that? It's really expensive. It's time consuming. It's not

01:10:16.680 something that happened. You don't go to China 30 times unless you have a real reason to do that.

01:10:20.620 What would that reason be?

01:10:21.740 He was taking kids over there, um, at one point as a travel agency. Um, but what's interesting is

01:10:27.740 I've spoken to kids travel with Tim walls.

01:10:29.920 I've spoken to a few of them that they're obviously older now. They were in their twenties

01:10:33.640 when they would make these trips in college. Um, one student in particular, it's very interesting.

01:10:38.440 He said that he'd been trying to get the attention of the media about this guy for, for years. He said

01:10:43.260 he would go there on these trips and collect the little red Mao book. Um, he would buy as many as he

01:10:48.680 could on these trips saying that they were, you know, souvenirs, uh, Tim walls would. And he said he,

01:10:53.300 it was very apparent. He just had this, um, he adored communism and would talk about it

01:10:59.720 in conversation. These students could pick, pick up on that. Um, and this student tried even when he

01:11:09.720 was running for Congress to say, there's more to this guy that you guys need to be.

01:11:13.320 Mao killed so many more people than Hitler that it's not even close.

01:11:15.700 Yes.

01:11:16.120 Not a defensive Hitler who was evil.

01:11:17.640 Yeah.

01:11:18.380 But Mao is the greatest mass murderer in history.

01:11:20.800 He's also married his, his, his wedding anniversary. Uh, they were married five years

01:11:26.440 after Tiananmen square. And he picked that date because it was a date that they would remember

01:11:30.920 he and his wife.

01:11:31.980 What?

01:11:32.580 Who does that?

01:11:33.720 Tiananmen square?

01:11:34.980 Correct.

01:11:35.720 The tank crushing the lone protester. That's their wedding anniversary. And they went to China

01:11:40.600 for their honeymoon.

01:11:42.060 Come on.

01:11:42.900 But there was, I was, I was in this country during that campaign. It was less than a year

01:11:48.640 ago. I never heard anybody say that.

01:11:50.500 But again, you have in Minnesota, what has happened. Uh, we have a new state flag.

01:11:54.920 Wait, wait, do you think, I'm sorry, I'm just mesmerized by this.

01:11:57.840 There's a lot of questions. I agree.

01:11:59.160 Questions?

01:11:59.860 Yeah. But the problem is there's not anybody looking for answers. It seems like.

01:12:03.820 Well, they want to kill themselves. So that's, they're, they're doing a great job. Um,

01:12:08.000 I get it. I mean, ultimately I just have to say this as a white man,

01:12:12.120 I do blame the liberal whites. They want to kill themselves and their kids. That's,

01:12:16.940 that's what they're into. I don't know what it's, what you see it in Britain.

01:12:20.660 So I'm not into suicide, so I'm opposed, but, um, they're the ones doing this. And

01:12:24.680 Wallace is a perfect example, Sue, but why would he, you, you're sure he picked the anniversary

01:12:30.140 of Tiananmen square?

01:12:32.320 Interviews. Yeah. This is in newspapers.

01:12:34.340 Tiananmen square was a massacre of peaceful protesters.

01:12:37.320 I know.

01:12:37.680 Do you think they picked it to like, in the memory of those brave souls who died opposing

01:12:43.120 the machine?

01:12:44.060 They haven't said that.

01:12:45.220 Oh my God!

01:12:47.220 And what's interesting is, again, we're focusing over on, at Alpha News on these stories. There's

01:12:52.200 supposed to be a congressional hearing about all of this and it's kind of just gone, uh,

01:12:56.620 nowhere. Uh, sadly. We also know, I've, I've spoken to a couple of people that served with

01:13:01.300 Tim Walls, um, in Nebraska, in that guard unit. And they suspect, and we've done stories

01:13:08.720 and tried to reach out to Walls for, for comment, but they suspect that, uh, perhaps he took their

01:13:14.460 standard operating procedure, the SOP for the, uh, howitzer army tank. He was assigned to this

01:13:21.400 tank, uh, the nuclear, it was nuclear capable. And this was all laid out in the SOP that goes

01:13:27.620 missing, uh, while he's there. The manual goes missing? Right. And they had talked to the FBI

01:13:33.160 about, about this as well. There's so many questions. What does that mean? Why'd they talk

01:13:36.860 to the FBI? Um, they think that he was traveling back and forth from China at this time. And then

01:13:42.280 we also know that this howitzer, I know I sound crazy right now. No, no, you're, you don't sound

01:13:47.880 crazy at all. You're recounting the facts. Yeah. You were saying that men he worked with in the

01:13:53.900 National Guard in Nebraska went to the FBI because they believed he had given classified

01:13:59.680 military secrets to the Chinese government. They suspect that he did. And well, they suspected

01:14:05.560 to the point that he went to the FBI. Well, this was all when he, when all these stories are coming

01:14:10.180 out finally about his background and they're like, maybe we should talk about this. These are guys that

01:14:15.500 back then didn't report this. This was in the early nineties. And they always talked about it

01:14:19.840 amongst themselves. Um, and I think that they weren't completely aware of, you know,

01:14:25.220 the potential threat something like this could, could pose, but they always thought this was very

01:14:29.260 strange. And then China started producing almost a carbon copy of this military tank a couple of

01:14:34.760 years later. Come on. For real? According to all of our research. Um, did the Minneapolis Star

01:14:44.620 Tribune break this story? Oh no, no, no, no. They haven't, uh, touched much of this. In fact,

01:14:50.580 actually when they reported it's, uh, Tim Walls goes to China with these kids and it's this great

01:14:56.220 travel company he started. I think it was a very small story even addressing this at all.

01:15:02.820 And he chose to be married on the fifth anniversary of a massacre of peaceful protesters.

01:15:07.900 Oh man, this is super dark.

01:15:13.060 I realized too, that it's, some of it seems like impossible to believe, but again, being

01:15:17.260 trained as a reporter, I know how this works. You talk to people, you verify things, you source

01:15:21.080 things. And I feel very confident always in all of our information. And that's what is always so

01:15:25.760 frustrating to me that this should be, this should be the front page of the Star Tribune basically

01:15:29.340 every day. Uh, but instead the Star Tribune is run by a former commissioner of Governor

01:15:34.340 Walls. Uh, he's the CEO and publisher and it's, um, it's truly unbelievable. This, the stories they

01:15:40.300 put out, it's just turned into pure propaganda. The Star Tribune is run by a former Walls commissioner?

01:15:47.460 It is. Steve Groves was his, uh, commissioner for, for years. And I don't think this relationship

01:15:54.180 actually exists anywhere in the country between a governor and a publisher of the largest newspaper.

01:16:00.580 Uh, but somehow in Minnesota, that's allowed. Votes. So Minnesota has not thrived under the

01:16:06.200 leadership of Tim Walls. It's gotten much worse. You were telling me today about people, you know,

01:16:12.400 and I know people too, who've moved from Minnesota to Iowa. Yeah. No offense to Iowa. It's like the

01:16:17.460 nice, you know, the nicest people in the world. It also has the worst weather of any state. You know,

01:16:22.720 it's totally flat. Minnesota is just beautiful. Again, I'm not beating up in Iowa. I really do love

01:16:29.680 why I always spend a lot of time there, but you know, Minneapolis, I mean, Minnesota is kind of

01:16:33.760 the dream. Iowa's like sturdy farm people and all that. If you're, if you're seeing a migration from

01:16:40.700 Minnesota to Iowa, Minnesota is in serious trouble. Is this fair? Oh, thousands of people have,

01:16:47.920 have left tens of thousands of people have left Minnesota. Crazy. I know so many people even in

01:16:53.440 my neighborhood that have, that have moved. So it's gotten so much worse under this guy who

01:17:00.420 got married on the fifth anniversary of Tiananmen Square because he loves the idea of tanks mowing over

01:17:05.460 protesters. Who votes for him? How does he get elected in the state? Well, this is what's

01:17:13.560 interesting. The last time a Republican has held a statewide office in Minnesota was 2006.

01:17:20.400 Mm-hmm. It's been a while. Pawlenty or who was that? Yeah, Tim, Tim Pawlenty when he was elected as,

01:17:26.080 as governor. Uh, we saw the, the house get a little closer in the legislature this time around,

01:17:32.100 but the last time, uh, we had a DFL trifecta, uh, for the first time. And for people who aren't

01:17:37.420 familiar, we explain what DFL is. So that's the Democratic Farm and Labor, um, DFL, the Democratic

01:17:44.280 Party. It's the Democratic Party, but your state is different in lots of ways. And that's why. Yes,

01:17:48.520 yes, it is. Um, but I always have said that with Minnesota, you have a couple of blue cities,

01:17:53.640 but the state is very red, uh, probably more red now than ever before. Even Minnesota was

01:17:59.460 Democrat, but like in a, in a German Scandinavian, you know, sort of working class, but clean,

01:18:05.900 upright, not in a radical way at all, like very old fashioned labor Democrats of the kind that I

01:18:14.080 kind of love. I don't think we disagree on much. And how did it become neoliberal, nihilistic?

01:18:20.620 Well, that's, even my husband talks about this. He grew up as a Democrat. His dad was an electrician,

01:18:24.740 union working class. That's how it worked. Um, that has totally changed.

01:18:30.780 These are not polyamory Democrats. These are not ayahuasca Democrats.

01:18:34.460 You have like a city council though, in Minneapolis that primarily, uh, is, they are socialists. They

01:18:41.680 are self-proclaimed socialists that are running the city council of, of Minneapolis. Um, but we've

01:18:46.640 just seen it go more and more to the left, uh, each and every year, but even, even walls, I will say

01:18:52.240 that I don't think people were completely familiar with his background, um, when he was elected.

01:18:58.600 So who backed him? You don't just get elected to statewide office anywhere by yourself.

01:19:02.520 NFL has all the money. I mean, it's like 10 to one, a hundred to one. It's unbelievable what they

01:19:07.420 can, they can spend, uh, but it is a lot of out of state money. Yes. Yeah. Um, very little actually

01:19:15.560 locally. Um, and so Minnesota, like every other place in the country is just like totally dominated

01:19:23.100 by out of state leftists, billionaires who hate America, want to destroy it.

01:19:27.060 That's what I think is, is so telling. You have Keith Ellison, not from Minnesota. He's,

01:19:31.400 you know, the law enforcement officer for, for the state, uh, Tim Walls, uh, Fry, um, a lot of these

01:19:39.040 people and they've done so much damage in a pretty short amount of time. So they're all from out of

01:19:43.680 state. They're all paid by donors from out of state. None of this has anything to do with Minnesota

01:19:49.540 and they've completely taken over your state and changed it utterly packed it with immigrants,

01:19:55.660 by the way, changed the, the nature of who lives there, the demographics of it completely. And,

01:20:02.580 and none of it was organic. Like it wasn't like the people of Minnesota asked for this. It wasn't

01:20:07.320 democracy. Yeah. There's always this like Minnesota nice. I'm sure you've probably heard that, but

01:20:11.800 it's nice people live there, but Minnesota naive. I'm like, are we really that naive? I mean, I can,

01:20:16.300 I'm not that naive, which is why I'm trying to, you know, do something about it.

01:20:20.040 They're very passive. Yeah. And, you know, it's this land of 10,000 lakes that seems to have

01:20:25.540 turned into the land of 10,000 lies. Uh, so many lies, um, sadly.

01:20:33.000 Who's Keith Ellison?

01:20:36.180 Well, um, quite a bit about him in, in my book as well. But when we talk about even just this,

01:20:43.120 um, war on the police that has been waged at, in Minneapolis, across the state of Minnesota,

01:20:48.040 Minnesota, um, he was an attorney, uh, who came to, who came to Minnesota and represented gang

01:20:57.980 members, uh, decades ago. Uh, in fact, represented a gang member who was, uh, responsible for executing

01:21:04.780 a Minneapolis police officer, Jerry Hoff. Uh, he was involved, um, in, in that. It's hard to believe,

01:21:11.520 I think by any cops in the state, however, he was elected, uh, to be, uh, our attorney general.

01:21:18.700 Um, but it's very anti-law enforcement. That's clear. Besides the, um, four.

01:21:24.320 And what's his job now?

01:21:25.320 He's the attorney general of Minnesota.

01:21:26.620 So he's the chief law enforcement officer in the state, but he's very anti-law enforcement.

01:21:30.040 Correct. Okay.

01:21:30.780 Yes.

01:21:31.620 It's like a vegetarian butcher. It just doesn't work.

01:21:33.480 Actually makes no sense at all. But in addition to these four, um, officers, there was a, another

01:21:39.820 female officer criminally charged, um, and another Minneapolis police officer criminally charged as,

01:21:45.380 as well. So this is, um, six police officers charged. They tried to, to charge, uh, another

01:21:52.560 Minnesota state trooper criminally, uh, recently. And the charges were, were dropped. We also lost,

01:21:58.380 uh, in the line of duty, five, uh, first responders. One was a firefighter paramedic in a matter of 13

01:22:06.520 months in Minnesota. Lost hat. What do you mean? They, you have just this anti-law enforcement

01:22:12.020 rhetoric murdered on the job. Five? In a matter of a year, basically. Mm-hmm. Again, something that

01:22:20.000 did anyone name a ballpark after any of them? No. Right. So this is nihilists from out of state

01:22:25.780 who hate the United States, hate Christianity, who are trying to invert our society and destroy

01:22:31.140 it. And I'm not saying it's the Chinese, but like, I don't know, I don't know what this

01:22:36.320 is, but it's not bubbling up from the people of Minnesota. Is it?

01:22:41.120 No, in fact, I've never, I struggle sometimes finding people that will say openly that they

01:22:48.000 even support Walls. As a reporter, it's really shocking to me. I was actually trying to help

01:22:52.680 some news crews that were in town saying, okay, well maybe go to this festival or that. They were

01:22:57.280 struggling to, to find people to go on camera that even, uh, you know, would openly admit to

01:23:02.520 supporting him. In fact, his home area in Mankato where he lived for 20 years, they voted for Trump

01:23:08.260 and Walls was on the, the ticket with, uh, Kamala. So what does that tell you?

01:23:12.740 Who's going to be governor next?

01:23:14.740 So great. That's a great question. Um, he's, he's likely running again.

01:23:19.580 Tim Walls.

01:23:20.220 It sounds that way. Gearing up too, at this point.

01:23:23.320 Huh. You think of all the money that we spent, um, we spend, you know, trillion dollars a year

01:23:28.720 on the military. I'm not against the military, I guess, but I mean, maybe we could spend some

01:23:33.960 of that money improving our cities or finding better leaders or something, right?

01:23:39.120 It's just such a tragedy. Um, so let's talk about Minneapolis, the city, all eyes were on it five

01:23:44.720 years ago, almost exactly five years ago, the summer of 2020. And the idea was there are all

01:23:49.880 these like systemic racism problems. Nikki Haley told us there, and, um, this was going to cleanse

01:23:56.300 them through fire. Like what's the city like now you've been there, you said your whole life,

01:24:02.260 is it better?

01:24:04.500 It's unrecognizable in many areas, not better. Um, yet to find anybody who thinks the city is,

01:24:10.720 is better five years later.

01:24:13.420 It's unrecognizable in what way?

01:24:15.960 Um, businesses boarded up, people gone. Uh, there was a very bustling, I worked downtown. That's

01:24:22.720 where WCCO, uh, was. And, uh, for, for 14 years, no problem walking around downtown. That was just

01:24:30.580 part of life. Vibrant people out having lunch. It's a ghost town, uh, downtown, uh, graffiti

01:24:38.640 crime. I can't even, I can't even begin to tell you. Even just, just yesterday, an 11 year old boy

01:24:44.480 shot in the middle of the day in a park, uh, killed. Something like that would never, um, happen.

01:24:52.420 And it's daily, weekly that these horrific things happen. They never even tracked, uh, carjackings

01:24:58.980 in the city of Minneapolis before because they just maybe won a year. Um, in the wake of Floyd,

01:25:04.400 there was, I think, 700 the year after.

01:25:07.560 But it went from one to 700 in one year?

01:25:09.780 In, in just a year. They had to, and they, and again, they don't have no, they have no

01:25:14.260 cops. So, and you also have policies that have been so dramatically changed. Um, it's

01:25:21.780 a, a use of force report basically that they have to fill out if you handcuff a person in

01:25:26.000 arresting them. You have to call a supervisor to get permission. These are things that are

01:25:30.440 now put in place. Um, you have these violence interrupter groups that have taken over, um, for,

01:25:37.000 for the cops that are basically just seen sitting on their phones, uh, every day. Um, and that's

01:25:42.840 where our tax dollars are going to pay for these, these groups. Many of them have connections,

01:25:47.420 uh, to Keith Ellison. That's documented. Um, but when I say unrecognizable, it's almost even hard

01:25:55.860 to explain how different life is in Minneapolis now.

01:25:59.140 Do you go?

01:26:02.140 I go for, for work. Um, but even, um, I was shooting some interviews in, in Minneapolis just

01:26:08.860 recently, and it's not uncommon to see crime for yourself happen just, you know, on, on the way.

01:26:17.260 There's a, you know, somebody down, down the street being held at gunpoint for their car. I mean,

01:26:22.800 I know I sound, it sounds crazy, but it really is like the wild, wild west. Um, there was a naked

01:26:29.080 man, um, that one of my friends, uh, captured on his cell phone having lunch in downtown Minneapolis,

01:26:35.260 just a naked guy walking around, uh, on the, on the street. Um, drug deals happening. Uh, you can see

01:26:41.640 them from above in, uh, some of the, the high rise buildings when people even do go. Um, but it's sad.

01:26:48.560 It used to be a place where you'd go see a show and, and certainly people are still doing that,

01:26:53.940 but not anywhere close to, you know, what it once, what it was before.

01:26:58.240 Five years ago.

01:26:58.920 Right.

01:26:59.220 This is not like in the seventies. This is five years ago.

01:27:01.640 Right. Right.

01:27:02.940 Is there, are there, so I'll just, I'll just be totally blunt with you, Liz. I'm, I'm overwhelmed

01:27:07.000 by what you've said. I'm really sad about it, even though I'm not from there. Are there any signs

01:27:12.200 of hope that this slide can be arrested, that things can get better?

01:27:16.520 Yeah. I'm always a hopeful person. And I think that's why I did jump ship and wanted to play

01:27:23.060 a part in telling the truth, uh, and join, uh, independent media. And I've definitely seen

01:27:30.520 more people open their eyes. At least we're willing to now have these conversations. Um,

01:27:36.220 but when you have a political assassination that takes place and you're just like, how is

01:27:41.420 this, this isn't the state that I grew up in? Um, again, seems to be unrecognizable. Um,

01:27:48.840 but I remain, I remain hopeful, um, because it really is, it's a beautiful state. Wonderful

01:27:54.400 people, um, made me who I am. And I think there are more of us than, than we realize. Sometimes

01:28:02.760 you can feel a little bit out there and alone, but, but there are more of us than we realize.

01:28:08.100 Do you think there's any chance that the normal people who are actually from, unlike Jacob Frye,

01:28:13.680 from Minnesota, like take their state back?

01:28:17.780 Yeah. I think that there are many people who even five years ago, I mean, I'll just say

01:28:23.080 doing the fall of Minneapolis. I mean, I couldn't even find a hairstylist or a makeup artist

01:28:27.460 because this was crazy. If you could, if you would be willing to tell the truth about this,

01:28:31.840 um, you couldn't find someone to do your hair. People were so, people were so afraid to attach

01:28:37.420 themselves to, and it is completely different now. I mean, if you see, um, you know, people are

01:28:44.360 willing to step up and speak out now and that wasn't the case. Whatever happened to Black Lives

01:28:48.440 Matter? Do they still exist or they just run off of all the real estate and disappear? I think they,

01:28:51.840 yeah, they, they came in, made a bunch of money and, and left town. I don't, are they working to

01:28:58.020 improve the lives of Black people? I haven't seen it in Minneapolis. Well, they were the most famous

01:29:03.660 group in the world there for a while. We had to like bow down before them and wash their feet and

01:29:08.860 stuff. Did they, but they just, they're gone? Yeah. I've always said that that's the, the story,

01:29:14.380 right? You, Black lives, sadly in Minneapolis have never mattered less. I mean, this is, they've become,

01:29:22.380 um, I, and many of them have reached out. I've done many stories, um, their lives,

01:29:27.840 they want police back. They, they want protection. Uh, and they just, they don't have it anymore.

01:29:33.880 Yeah. And also it's like, it's not even about Black or white or it's about America and you don't have a

01:29:38.900 right to shoot people. You can't do that. Whether you want, your neighborhood wants police presence

01:29:44.760 or not, it's kind of not up to you. We don't put up with murder here because we're a civilized

01:29:48.080 country. That's my view. Last question. If people are interested in following your reporting,

01:29:53.340 where do they find it? So thefallofminneapolis.com is where you can go.

01:29:57.260 More information about the book and the documentary is free. You can see it right

01:29:59.960 there. Um, and also we've done many follow-up stories since, um, on everything that's taken

01:30:04.060 place in Minneapolis. You'll find it on that website. Liz Collin on X is where you can find

01:30:08.760 my reporting and alpha news.org. Um, a team of independent reporters in Minnesota working to

01:30:14.700 uncover all of this. Bless you for doing it. Uh, I'm sure it's thankless a lot of the time, but

01:30:19.280 I think it's important to tell the truth, whether it's acknowledged as true at the time,

01:30:23.880 you are creating a documentary record that at the very least historians can assess to find

01:30:28.740 out what really happened. And I just think objectively that matters. Like you want the

01:30:32.620 truth out there. It's a good thing. Always.

01:30:34.880 Thank you, Tucker.

01:30:35.300 Thank you.

01:30:36.420 Liz Collin. I appreciate it.

01:30:38.080 Thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - June 25, 2025

Everything You Need to Know About the Minnesota Assassinations and Tim Walz Destroying His State

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