The Tucker Carlson Show - Exorcist Fr. Chad Ripperger： Possessed Politicians, Occult Activity, and Speaking to Satan Himself

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00:01:04.280 Father, thank you so much for doing this.

00:01:07.160 Thank you for having me.

00:01:07.900 As a Protestant who grew up in Georgetown, in part where The Exorcist was filmed,

00:01:12.180 I've been trained from birth to think of exorcism as something kooky that the Latin church does for weird cultic reasons. 1.00

00:01:18.300 Not at all mainstream Christianity. 0.95

00:01:20.280 And then you go and read the New Testament.

00:01:22.840 That's right.

00:01:23.180 And you realize that the first miracle that Jesus performs in the Gospel of Mark is casting out demons.

00:01:29.880 And then he repeats that continuously and commissions the apostles to do the same.

00:01:34.340 And casting out demons is not just this random thing.

00:01:38.160 It is central to the Gospels.

00:01:39.880 That's right.

00:01:40.520 23% of the Gospels are actually about Christ dealing with demons.

00:01:46.140 So this is why when people –

00:01:48.020 It's just unbelievable.

00:01:49.400 How did I not know that?

00:01:50.480 Yeah, well, and a lot of the Christians will just say, well, you know, I believe in God,

00:01:54.240 but I don't necessarily believe in the devil.

00:01:55.640 And you're like, well, do you believe in scripture?

00:01:56.860 Well, yeah.

00:01:57.180 Well, then how can you not believe that this is one of the primary missions of Christ was

00:02:01.520 to save us from them, ultimately?

00:02:04.160 Well, when he sends the disciples, I mean, of course, this is your life.

00:02:07.200 This is all so new to me.

00:02:08.500 I'm just shocked by it.

00:02:09.540 When he sends them out, it's like, preach the good news and cast out demons.

00:02:12.640 Yes, that's right.

00:02:13.300 Like, that's the mission.

00:02:14.620 That's right.

00:02:15.040 So I just, before we get into what you've spent the last decades doing, casting out demons, how is it that the modern church, at least in the United States, at least the Protestant churches in the United States have so de-emphasized this to the point where it's disappeared?

00:02:33.380 I think there's a historical reason behind that.

00:02:35.820 So if you – and it's not just here like in the United States.

00:02:39.380 It's actually in the West in general, the Christian West specifically.

00:02:43.020 And basically it had to do with the advent of psychology.

00:02:45.740 So when psychology came on board, it became in vogue, especially in the 50s and in the 60s to just think that all these people's problems were just purely psychological.

00:02:58.100 I mean there are psychological issues that very much look like that.

00:03:01.180 but the fact is is that so they just started chalking it up and that's one of

00:03:05.260 the reasons why in the United States before the 1960s the number of diocese

00:03:10.660 that is the Catholic diocese that had an exorcist was fairly high I mean every

00:03:14.980 major diocese would have one but then it started to decline precisely based upon

00:03:19.680 that thinking but then over the course of time they begin to realize well look

00:03:23.500 there's certain things we're seeing that are not psychological and so they can't

00:03:26.280 be explained in that way and people needed the help and so now the bishops

00:03:30.300 are coming a little bit more up to speed in that regard well yeah after you know 100 years of

00:03:35.780 freud we still can't identify what schizophrenia is it does make you realize at the very least we

00:03:40.740 there are things we don't understand that could very well be that's right supernatural um so that

00:03:46.480 does make you wonder about the origins of of psychology though i mean if the net effect was

00:03:52.080 to eliminate people's belief in something real which is demonic possession yeah well i think

00:03:58.620 that was only one aspect of it.

00:04:00.600 I think that the real goal of a lot of the

00:04:02.320 psychologists, which is in the literature

00:04:04.740 is that many of them are atheists.

00:04:06.600 They just didn't believe in God and so they

00:04:08.520 wanted to eliminate any concept

00:04:10.520 of anything supernatural or what we call

00:04:12.380 praeternatural, which is the demons are praeternatural.

00:04:14.720 They're not supernatural. God is the one that's

00:04:16.520 supernatural, but we tend to talk that way.

00:04:18.500 Although sometimes people will just say supernatural

00:04:20.320 thinking about demons in that way too. 0.99

00:04:22.500 Can you, for the ignorant like me, explain 0.98

00:04:24.540 the difference between praeternatural and supernatural? 0.98

00:04:26.480 So supernatural is those things which are above

00:04:28.540 anything that is created, and that pertains to God. Whereas praeternatural comes from the

00:04:34.940 latter word praeternatura, which means aside from nature. So that would be things that are above what

00:04:40.160 we experience as human beings in this world, but it's not supernatural because it's not God. It's

00:04:45.440 kind of in that in-between state, which is what the demons are. But they're still considered

00:04:49.340 natural in the sense of they have a specific nature that God created them with. They're created

00:04:55.020 beings and that they actually have a natural law. They're structured to think in certain 0.94

00:05:00.160 patterns in certain ways. So it's kind of a middle tier, but it's preternatural. Supernatural

00:05:05.700 would be something like being able to suspend the laws of nature. So demons can't cause

00:05:10.300 miracles, for example, but they can cause things that to us as human beings are outside

00:05:15.640 our normal experience. And so it looks miraculous, but it's actually not. It's something that

00:05:19.540 they can do on their own.

00:05:20.400 So I guess the good news about that distinction is they're not all powerful.

00:05:23.900 No, they are not.

00:05:25.000 In fact, demons are one of the most regulated things in the universe, really.

00:05:31.180 Because, and they're regulated by three things.

00:05:33.600 One, as I mentioned, their natural law, their nature.

00:05:35.960 They're structured a specific way.

00:05:37.880 The second thing is once the demons made their choice, their will became fixed in a specific way.

00:05:44.380 This is one of the reasons why when you deal with them as an exorcist, they almost seem obsessive compulsive.

00:05:48.520 Even when it goes bad for them, they'll still tend towards that thing which they chose, the sin that they committed.

00:05:56.560 And so their tendency is towards that, so they're fixed by that.

00:06:00.000 But the main thing is, if you remember in the Gospels, Christ says to the apostles before he ascends, he said,

00:06:05.700 All power was given to me in heaven and earth, all power.

00:06:09.420 That means that the demons even know that they can't do anything without Christ's permission.

00:06:15.540 So in the spiritual warfare landscape, we know, and this is, as an exorcist, it actually brings me a lot of confidence because I don't have to worry about if, you know, if it turns into the type of thing where I get shellacked a little bit during a session or whatever the case is, then I know Christ is still controlling and metering how much and what he can and cannot do.

00:06:33.280 And we know this, too, because if you remember, you made the mention of it before when they asked, you know, the demons actually approached Christ to ask to go into the pigs.

00:06:42.500 I was just thinking that exact, on the other side of the lake.

00:06:44.440 Yeah. So they can't even enter into the pigs without his permission. And so nothing they do can occur without their permission. And so Christ has complete control over the spiritual landscape, the spiritual battle. He has complete control over it. And so they know what they can and cannot do.

00:07:01.700 The first time that actually really occurred to me was I had this one case where this demon, because when they take possession, unless it's a perfect possession, but if it's a partial possession, they take possession of a part of the body.

00:07:13.880 And from there, they can affect the rest of the person.

00:07:16.060 And so the demon was possessing this woman's lower back. 1.00

00:07:18.500 And I commanded him to tell me, why are you possessing that part?

00:07:21.340 He says, I don't know.

00:07:22.740 So I commanded him, why not?

00:07:23.920 What do you mean you don't know?

00:07:25.160 And he said, when I entered, Christ restricted me to this part of the body.

00:07:28.440 And that's when it made me realize he has control over everything, when they can manifest, how long they can manifest, the kind of manifestation they can actually do, how they can attack the person that's possessed, how they can attack us, even in our ordinary temptations and things like that.

00:07:43.900 And in other ways, he regulates all of it, ultimately.

00:07:47.680 And then you begin to realize, too, over the course of time, it's ultimately for our spiritual benefit.

00:07:54.520 The experience is for our spiritual benefit.

00:07:57.080 Yes.

00:07:58.440 I believe that.

00:08:01.540 Okay, so what are, if you don't mind, we can just start at the beginning, big picture.

00:08:06.740 What are demons?

00:08:08.720 So, actually, according to Pseudor Dionysius and then also Thomas Aquinas and then pretty much the whole theological tradition from that time, from Dionysius on,

00:08:22.120 basically held that in the very beginning when God created,

00:08:27.820 what he did is he created the entire hierarchy of angels instantaneously all at once.

00:08:33.200 And these angels were created, all the angels were created.

00:08:36.080 And Thomas Aquinas talks about what they call the three instances of the angels.

00:08:41.920 So when they were first created, how they understand things is the opposite of ours.

00:08:47.920 So when we want to know something, we'll actually study a number of different individual things that are like that so we can get a general sense.

00:08:54.580 And then from that, we'll abstract a kind of a conceptual understanding of what these things actually are, what their nature actually is.

00:09:01.420 But that's because we use our senses to come to know things, right?

00:09:05.160 And this is why even as human beings, we know that if someone isn't in contact with their senses, we know there's something wrong with them, right?

00:09:10.840 Whereas the angels and also the demons are the exact opposite.

00:09:14.940 All their knowledge was infused.

00:09:16.280 so they know exactly what um the essence and nature of every created thing that exists and

00:09:23.400 this is actually a diagnostic that you can use in session because we get people to try and fake

00:09:27.120 you know fake that they're they're possessed and you know there's a variety of reasons why they do

00:09:32.040 that and so we will uh one of the things is if you ask them a technical theological or philosophical

00:09:38.040 question if it's a human being you can see they have to think about it and then they'll kind of

00:09:42.580 reason the way through it that's not how demons work they'll immediately give you the answer just

00:09:46.540 immediate they'll just say it's x and they don't have because they don't have to think because

00:09:50.580 for them all their knowledge is infused both the the concepts but then as things occur have you

00:09:56.940 ever seen demons answer esoteric questions yes yeah i've actually there's been cases uh i had

00:10:04.000 a case uh it's one that i'm actually working on right now where um the the demons in this

00:10:10.640 particular case have made theological distinctions that there's no way this person could have ever

00:10:17.180 known those distinctions. And let me give you an example. So he made the distinction between

00:10:24.960 consummatim est infinitim est, which is a Latin phrase. So consummatim est is that the sacrifice

00:10:30.920 is complete. So in relationship to the sacrifice of Christ, he says consummatim est, and then he

00:10:37.720 gives up his spirit right so it's completed he's finally completed everything that was necessary

00:10:41.340 in order for our full redemption and our full healing and all of that but it's not finished

00:10:46.940 yet the finishing occurs once he's buried so they have to take him down our lady embraces him and

00:10:51.680 then they put him in the tomb right so that he made that distinction and i'm gonna like this is

00:10:56.340 this is one of those indicators that you're not going to see those kinds of distinctions being

00:11:00.300 made by a human being who has never studied theology in any sense and this is not a person

00:11:05.080 who has no nothing i mean she finished high school and that's about it so seriously yeah yeah and so

00:11:11.600 and there's other times when they've made distinctions that are just like uh in fact one

00:11:16.080 time uh in the catholic tradition we actually believe our lady was assumed into heaven because

00:11:20.120 she was so pure and so perfect um and sinless that god assumed her body into heaven um and so

00:11:27.060 the uh it was a feast of that day and i was doing a series of exorcisms and i asked the team and i

00:11:32.860 said, or I commanded him to tell me, I mentioned the fact that this was her moment of greatest

00:11:38.580 glory.

00:11:39.700 And he just looks at me flatly, which demons lie all the time, but you know they're telling

00:11:44.120 the truth.

00:11:44.480 There's ways we can ferret that out too, but they'll just give you a pan, they'll pan,

00:11:48.820 they'll just pan you and just say, no, that's not how that works.

00:11:51.880 And I said, I said, what was it then?

00:11:54.720 He said, it was her moment of greatest triumph.

00:11:57.740 She had gone through life without committing sin, and now she's entering into heaven triumphant.

00:12:02.860 I said, was it crowning a queen as heaven and earth?

00:12:05.120 Because we believe that as Catholics.

00:12:06.780 And he says, no, that was her moment of greatest honor.

00:12:09.660 I'm like, okay, that makes sense.

00:12:10.640 Because honor is praise or recognition for excellence.

00:12:15.160 And so God was recognizing her excellence in this way.

00:12:18.860 And so I finally just commended to him, well, what was it?

00:12:21.240 He said, standing under the cross in perfect virtue.

00:12:25.260 later he revealed that the uh that he said other than the actual passion and death of jesus christ

00:12:33.860 he said it was the most glorious event in all of history the demon said that the demon said that

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00:15:29.180 the voice of the person he possesses? Sometimes. Sometimes they speak through the person's own

00:15:34.200 voice. There are the times where they'll assume the characteristics of a voice that is proper to

00:15:40.580 their nature. And so Thomas Aquinas makes the observation that the way they manifest, so one

00:15:47.160 of the ways that, you know, you're dealing with something to demons, we call it morphing. The

00:15:50.560 person will actually change shapes. Their continence or their face will change. And then, I mean, it

00:15:55.980 takes on the characteristics that are proper to the demon's personality.

00:15:59.640 You've seen people's faces change?

00:16:01.580 Morphing is about 90% of what you see.

00:16:04.600 What are the changes like?

00:16:06.880 It's very subtle, all the way from just recently I prayed over a rather prominent individual,

00:16:12.720 and when I looked at him after the prayers, it can be something very subtle where it's

00:16:17.980 just there's a complexion.

00:16:20.180 In the writers and the authors, they call it the cherry wood look, where they take on

00:16:24.520 this face where their face turns like this cherry wood color that's impossible for us as human

00:16:29.000 beings to have or replicate on a natural level so cherry wood cherry wood it's kind of like this

00:16:33.600 red brown color that you just you're like yeah that's not a natural color so it'll be everything

00:16:39.140 from something very subtle like that all the way to complete morphing where they change into the

00:16:43.600 shapes of animals um one case actually there's been a couple of cases i've had where women 1.00

00:16:48.820 very feminine looking all of a sudden morph into it looking like completely like a man 0.73

00:16:53.100 So you see, these are some of those, the morphing events.

00:16:56.280 While you're sitting there?

00:16:57.420 While you're praying, usually, is when it actually ends up happening.

00:17:00.340 And you look down, and the woman you're praying over is now a man?

00:17:02.780 Looks like a man, yeah.

00:17:04.100 And it's not just me seeing it, because we have a team that's there present at the time

00:17:07.960 for a variety of different reasons.

00:17:10.020 They provide different functions, and they'll very often see the same thing.

00:17:13.600 So they're all seeing the same thing.

00:17:15.960 Have you seen people's pupils change?

00:17:18.120 Yes, that's pretty common.

00:17:19.740 So a lot of times they'll hyperdilate and turn very black or another more common thing, I don't see it too often because certain exorcists will see some things much more regularly than others, but a lot of times their eyes will roll all the way into the back of their heads.

00:17:39.760 so they should all you see is white so you'll see those so those are the kinds

00:17:43.300 of things that you actually see but but the the morphing is one of the we call

00:17:48.880 it one of the preternatural signs that you know someone's possessed you know

00:17:51.940 they're possessed other voices change there's two characters there's two

00:17:56.360 things that they change a lot of times they'll change in just the tone they'll

00:18:00.100 start sounding like a man sometimes now once in a while the demons will use the

00:18:02.920 person's own vocal voice and so and part of the reason they want to do that is

00:18:08.140 is because they don't want you to hear what the characteristics of their own voice.

00:18:13.780 And the reason I say that is because of the fact that an experienced exorcist,

00:18:19.160 it's like a boxer.

00:18:20.640 You know, when you box, when you get into the ring,

00:18:23.060 you can watch all sorts of videos about this guy's technique.

00:18:25.640 It's not until you get in the ring and box with this guy

00:18:28.200 that you actually get a sense of, okay, this is what this guy is actually like.

00:18:32.780 So the reason the demons don't want to attack you,

00:18:36.240 especially if you're an experienced exorcist,

00:18:38.140 is based on a philosophical principle,

00:18:40.540 which is the cause is always some way in the effect.

00:18:44.440 So anytime they attack you,

00:18:46.320 they reveal something about themselves in that process,

00:18:50.340 and then you can use it against them later.

00:18:52.900 So as an experienced exorcist,

00:18:54.320 they really don't want to get involved with you,

00:18:55.860 although a lot of times Christ still requires them,

00:18:58.020 but they don't want to attack you,

00:18:59.880 because then once they attack you,

00:19:01.920 you can find out what his psychology is,

00:19:04.920 what his patterns of thinking are, et cetera,

00:19:07.100 When he's attacking you.

00:19:08.640 How do they attack you?

00:19:11.180 One is the oppression, where they attack you from the outside.

00:19:15.680 The other one is that it's not an obsession in the proper sense,

00:19:19.020 because obsession is something that's ongoing.

00:19:21.120 But what they'll do is they'll,

00:19:22.400 they have the ability to affect our imagination and our emotions.

00:19:26.260 So a lot of times what they'll do is when they attack the exorcist,

00:19:28.580 they'll put a perspective on an image in your imagination.

00:19:31.740 So for example, you know, a guy, when he's first married,

00:19:35.300 he thinks his wife is wonderful.

00:19:36.220 He gets all this emotional delight because our emotions are moved by what's in our imagination, the perspective specifically.

00:19:42.400 So when he's first married, she's wonderful.

00:19:44.240 She's great.

00:19:44.760 I love my wife.

00:19:45.540 Look how beautiful she is.

00:19:46.360 She just brought me a beer.

00:19:47.320 Isn't that wonderful?

00:19:48.140 You know, et cetera.

00:19:49.680 Then after 10 years, his perspective on her changes because they've had fights and things of that sort.

00:19:55.220 And so when he sees her, even though she hasn't changed, his perspective on her and so his emotional response changes.

00:20:02.620 Well, demons can put that perspective on your imagination, so they can actually do that.

00:20:07.380 And this is one of the ways that they can actually affect relationships.

00:20:10.440 In fact, the first thing they ever do in a marriage is they try and put a perspective on one of the spouses or both spouses to psychologically divide the people.

00:20:21.300 So the person thinks they see something bad in the other spouse when it's actually not there.

00:20:26.440 so but anyway that what they'll do is when they attack the exorcist they'll put that perspective

00:20:31.640 on your image and your imagination but that perspective then tells me something about his

00:20:37.740 psychology so i've written three books or four books actually in um psychology from the way saint

00:20:44.940 thomas aquinas understands it right so uh and developed it based upon that it does incorporate

00:20:50.280 a lot of the stuff in modern psychology but it actually gives a foundation to it based on an

00:20:54.280 authentic anthropology and not just some wacky view that we have of human beings.

00:20:59.500 And so the first time I started to be an exorcist, I just started watching the psychological

00:21:05.240 patterns of demons because I figured, well, they have a natural law.

00:21:09.440 In other words, each demon has its own natural law that it's inclined to specific things

00:21:13.220 and not to others.

00:21:14.680 So as human beings, we have a natural law because we're inclined toward things like

00:21:17.780 marriage, eating, living in community and society and that type of thing.

00:21:21.460 We have a set of inclinations that God placed in us.

00:21:25.640 Demons have that same thing, except theirs is tailored to their specific nature,

00:21:30.400 because each demon's nature is different.

00:21:33.140 Their species, technically speaking, is different.

00:21:36.440 And so that's why in a session, when they manifest,

00:21:39.040 when one demon comes to the fore and the other one leaves,

00:21:41.680 the morphing will change to accommodate that,

00:21:43.560 and so you immediately know, okay, I'm dealing with this guy rather than that guy.

00:21:46.360 And actually, after you've dealt with the same demon over and over again,

00:21:48.920 you can do a session and just start out on a new case and then once he manifests you're like you

00:21:53.820 recognize who he is you'll see the same demon in different people yes yeah how many so this i have

00:22:00.540 so many questions i hope you're prepared for long interview um this brings us back to my initial

00:22:06.100 question before i sidetracked you with too many other questions which is what are they and where

00:22:10.260 are they from so they're basically pure spirits they don't have a body they can act upon us who

00:22:15.360 have bodies and they can act upon physical things, but they don't have a body. So they're pure

00:22:18.800 spirits. They only have two faculties, an intellect and a will. They don't have emotions,

00:22:24.200 but they experience emotions in their will. So when they were first created, the entire hierarchy

00:22:29.680 of angels, and they're in the billions, because it's actually part of the theological tradition

00:22:34.320 that every human being has their own guardian angel. And that's from the lowest rank, because

00:22:39.620 there's nine of them, the nine choirs. They have the lowest, that's just from one of them. So

00:22:44.580 there's literally billions of these, but they're all created instantaneously at once.

00:22:48.540 And then according to the theological writers, that meant that they were created into a perfect

00:22:53.740 state of knowing. Because as I mentioned before, they just have to think about something, use their

00:22:58.900 will to move their mind to think about something, and they immediately exhaust everything that they

00:23:03.900 can possibly know about that thing to the degree of their intelligence. That's why when you ask

00:23:08.560 them questions, as I mentioned before, they never think about it, they just give you the answer.

00:23:12.460 because they don't have to sit and reason it out.

00:23:15.740 They just immediately know it.

00:23:17.460 So that first instance, they were created in an act of knowing,

00:23:21.000 and that meant they knew who God was, who they were, what their nature was,

00:23:24.640 what he was asking of them as an assigned task.

00:23:28.000 Because God, every single angel that was created,

00:23:30.280 God created him to perform a specific task.

00:23:35.280 And so, for example, Gabriel was basically created.

00:23:38.980 His task was to do the annunciation to our lady.

00:23:41.720 So, and we see Michael, St. Michael, his originally assigned task is, according to the theological tradition, is that he's actually the guardian angel of the elect.

00:23:55.340 That's why he was originally the guardian angel of the Jewish religion, but then once they apostatized, because they refused to accept Christ, he then became the guardian angel of the elect of the Christian religion.

00:24:09.240 So that – he became the – and that's also why we read in Scripture in the book of Revelation, St. Michael was given the power by God to cast the demons down from heaven after they fell because his goal was to protect the elect that were in heaven.

00:24:25.780 And so that was his function.

00:24:26.980 So they're all given an assigned task.

00:24:28.920 Okay.

00:24:29.380 So they know all these things.

00:24:30.900 They also know all about the angels behind us.

00:24:33.180 They also know what Satan, or at the time Lucifer, is being tempted with as far as his

00:24:39.140 fault, because so they were created in this state, and then they have this active knowledge.

00:24:44.320 That's their first instance.

00:24:45.400 And then there's a concomitant active will of delight.

00:24:47.700 They see how magnificent God's creation is and how beautiful it is.

00:24:53.800 Then they have to make their choice.

00:24:55.200 Are you going to do what God is asking or not?

00:24:56.900 Now, in that choice, there's something very specific that has to happen.

00:25:00.880 There is some perfection that they see that is above them,

00:25:04.740 that they have to be willing to let go of.

00:25:08.440 Otherwise, in order to perform their task,

00:25:14.120 otherwise they're going to be damned if they don't, basically.

00:25:16.900 They have to be willing to let go of this.

00:25:18.440 And basically, even under duress, in session,

00:25:21.760 you can compel the demons, they'll admit it,

00:25:24.880 that their first sin, even though it was usually pride or envy of some sort,

00:25:29.520 because that envy of some perfection that someone had, that their first sin was pride or envy,

00:25:38.120 but they failed to sacrifice that thing that they wanted.

00:25:42.680 They literally wanted something that God had not intended for them.

00:25:47.460 And this is why at the core of it, Thomas Aquinas makes an observation.

00:25:53.960 He says, in the end, there's one thing that God wants from every intelligent creature.

00:25:59.520 And that's sacrificing his will to God, to him.

00:26:04.740 So then that meant they had to accept their task, which is below this perfection.

00:26:10.120 So they had to accept this lower task.

00:26:12.240 But then, so then they made their choice. 1.00

00:26:16.140 And because unlike us, you know, Tucker has general rule, human beings are pretty stupid. 1.00

00:26:22.860 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:23.400 And so that's why.

00:26:24.260 Been there.

00:26:24.600 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:25.240 That's why God has mercy on us, right?

00:26:26.980 Because you're just like, man, this guy's just clueless, right?

00:26:28.900 And so, and because a lot of them, basically, that just means that we don't have full knowledge of what we're doing.

00:26:33.940 The demons had absolute pure knowledge.

00:26:36.380 So when they made their choice, it was unadulterated malice.

00:26:40.620 They knew that God even gave them the grace to accept their task, but they absolutely refused to accept it.

00:26:46.620 The third of the angels that fell, because we know that from the book of Revelation,

00:26:50.440 where it talks about how the dragon swept a third of the stars down.

00:26:54.180 And that's the fathers of the church say that that was an indicator that a third of the angels fell and became demons as a result of it.

00:27:00.980 So the demons are actually fallen angels whose will is now fixed.

00:27:04.860 So once they make their choice, it's all in.

00:27:08.060 You know, it's not half-hearted.

00:27:09.860 No, it's a full choice.

00:27:11.880 They're either going to accept God's will or they're not going to do it.

00:27:14.300 And then the third instance is right after that, then if they refuse to accept their task, then they're damned immediately.

00:27:20.860 So they immediately experience what we call, in the Catholic theology, the pain of loss.

00:27:25.440 They immediately experience, I'm never going to see God.

00:27:28.400 I'm never going to see him.

00:27:29.800 And that's where our ultimate happiness is.

00:27:31.700 So they know they're going to be miserable.

00:27:33.480 Plus they have remorse of conscience and all those things, because they're intelligent

00:27:36.800 creatures.

00:27:38.800 But then of those who are faithful, then they immediately got to see God.

00:27:42.940 And then, of course, we read from Scripture there was a battle that ensues, which is a

00:27:46.740 battle of the wills in heaven, because that's all they have is intellect and will.

00:27:50.260 They battle through their wills.

00:27:51.960 But then at a certain point, God said, that's enough.

00:27:53.780 And then he sends St. Michael to cast him down.

00:27:56.600 So it's a long-winded way of saying that basically demons are fallen angels who are now bent on malice and evil.

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00:30:01.160 vw.ca to learn more suvw german engineered for all tucker um bento malice and evil now i have

00:30:11.080 have my own theories about what that looks like let me just list a few violence yes chaos division

00:30:16.820 among people the destruction of beauty that's correct those are the obvious that i notice

00:30:22.000 all around me yeah are there others um is that correct yeah no that that's correct i mean under

00:30:29.700 the under those you would see um uh you know sometimes we say the true the good and the

00:30:34.560 beautiful is what they work against yes um and truth i'm sorry truth yeah obvious one yeah so

00:30:40.760 So they'll mitigate against that, and that's part of that perspective, putting those perspectives on you so that you don't judge the reality, the situation, the truth of what it really is.

00:30:48.900 I mean, the historic definition of truth is the adequation of intellect to thing, that my mind conforms to the way the thing is in reality.

00:30:57.020 And we know this intuitively.

00:30:58.040 If somebody is telling us, you know, that this wall over here is purple, you look at it and it's brown, and you're like, no, it's not.

00:31:04.200 So you know that there's something wrong because their mind is in incongruity with reality.

00:31:07.400 They don't know the truth about that.

00:31:08.740 well what they do is they try and

00:31:11.200 change your perspective on the reality of the

00:31:13.220 situation and that's how they cause damage

00:31:15.400 among human beings and relationships and marriage

00:31:17.500 which is one of the things that are majorly under

00:31:19.280 they're attacking now a lot of

00:31:20.840 they're doing a lot of that. Marriages. 0.98

00:31:24.880 So

00:31:25.360 but basically their goal

00:31:27.440 is to get us to

00:31:29.320 commit sin

00:31:31.460 and basically

00:31:33.080 place ourselves in this point where

00:31:35.220 we're damned as a result of what we do.

00:31:38.740 Are there, you said recently we're seeing a lot of attacks on marriages.

00:31:43.180 That suggests there are cycles in behavior of demonic, in the behavior of demons?

00:31:47.980 There is in the sense that because the, as I mentioned, the natures of things are infused in them,

00:31:53.360 but also every physical or every individual thing that's happening throughout the universe is infused in their mind as it happens.

00:32:00.380 So if they want to know what's going on in Saturn, they just think of Saturn and boom, they see what's going on there.

00:32:04.700 It's the same thing with this.

00:32:05.580 If they want to know what we're talking about, all they have to do is think about the concept of humanity and look inside of that and see us as individuals of human beings, and then they can see what we're actually talking about.

00:32:15.440 That's how their mode of knowing is.

00:32:17.600 This is why they can't be in error about things.

00:32:22.060 Even the demons are not erroneous.

00:32:23.440 A lot of times when you can trick them, it's because they're basing their choice or their things on the most likely thing based upon what you said.

00:32:32.340 They're not in error about what you said.

00:32:34.300 They may not know what your intention is.

00:32:37.640 I'm talking about like in session.

00:32:39.360 But anyway, the point being is that they basically are – they go through phases where their goal is ultimately to destroy the Christian religion. 0.95

00:32:49.660 That's their goal ultimately because they know deep down that is the religion that Christ established, period.

00:32:57.120 And so –

00:32:58.640 It's so obvious.

00:32:59.940 I still don't understand most of this, but I just, watching the intent of almost everything, well, say the U.S. government does, it's aimed at Jesus.

00:33:12.000 Yeah, or even the mainstream news media.

00:33:13.860 I mean, a lot of times they're just, you know, you can talk about anything about Christ, although that dynamic has changed a little bit more recently, a little bit.

00:33:21.060 But generally it's Christianity that's under attack.

00:33:23.520 You can be any other religion you want.

00:33:25.100 You can believe anything, do anything you want, but whatever you do, don't be Christian. 1.00

00:33:28.560 yeah and especially don't use the j word except as an epithet yeah yeah exactly um yeah no i it i

00:33:36.380 came to this backwards just sort of noticing like hmm i see a pattern here what is this

00:33:40.520 yeah that's how i got interested in this topic but um so do you think the united states specifically

00:33:47.760 where you live is under greater demonic attack than it has been um historically yes and i and i

00:33:54.980 I usually tell people this particular aspect of it.

00:33:57.400 So under Satan, this has been the common experience of exorcists for centuries,

00:34:02.520 that under Satan, there's five demons.

00:34:05.380 And they're called by different names like the council, the generals,

00:34:09.140 but their job is to execute the plans of Satan that he wants done in this life. 0.52

00:34:13.880 The first one is Baal, who is the spirit of fornication, the spirit of impurity. 0.99

00:34:19.100 So in the United States, when they shot down the anti-fornication laws, 0.56

00:34:25.640 and they basically, you know, and then plus you have all the problems with pornography

00:34:29.180 and that type of thing is freedom of expression and all that.

00:34:34.440 Once they allowed that, they ceded the territory to Baal. 0.97

00:34:38.800 After Baal, and we get this from St. Paul, he says, well, if people give in to lust,

00:34:42.320 then eventually men start sleeping with men and women start sleeping with women. 0.99

00:34:45.020 So the next three, the first one is Asmodeus, which is – he's a demon of impurity, but he's specifically the demon of homosexuality in men. 0.84

00:34:53.400 So if you – 0.60

00:34:53.760 What's his name?

00:34:54.880 Asmodeus.

00:34:55.580 Yeah.

00:34:56.260 Asmodeus is sometimes how you're pronounced as well.

00:34:59.640 So he – so in cases of possession, if you have a guy that has – is possessed and he's had homosexual experience, it's a pretty good bet that Asmodeus is one of the possessors. 0.72

00:35:13.080 Do you call him by name?

00:35:14.640 Yes, at a certain point.

00:35:15.740 In fact, the ritual that the church has us do tells you to ask the names.

00:35:21.220 And the reason you want the names is because once you know the name of the demon, you can actually know a bit about his history because these guys are throughout history, right?

00:35:30.380 So you can actually go and read.

00:35:31.620 There's Asmodeus is mentioned actually in scripture.

00:35:34.000 You can also study, like, for example, the demon Isis.

00:35:36.660 You can actually study the history of the ISIS cult, and you'll actually understand certain aspects of his personality because he engendered it. 1.00

00:35:44.900 One of the ones I had more recently was the demon Loki, who's a demon of mischief.

00:35:51.300 And so once I got the name out of him, I went and researched Loki, and this demon was a spitting image of the mythology behind this guy.

00:36:06.260 Getting him under control was very difficult.

00:36:07.920 Okay, so all that being—

00:36:08.560 What does it mean, mischief?

00:36:11.280 He was just constantly trying to create havoc, and, you know, he's a bit of a jokester, and he just doesn't want to obey commands, and he just, you know.

00:36:20.280 And so it was very difficult to get him to be compliant in relationship to doing what he's supposed to do.

00:36:24.900 And what were the problems that the person possessed by this demon was experiencing?

00:36:29.960 Excessive religiosity.

00:36:32.760 Really?

00:36:33.460 Yeah.

00:36:34.040 What does that mean?

00:36:34.840 It means in the sense of doing things that's actually spiritually harmful to them under the guise of religion.

00:36:41.720 Huh.

00:36:43.200 So, like, for example, fasting, fasting excessively, or praying to the point where you're neglecting your duties that you're supposed to be doing, your duties of your state in life, that type of thing.

00:36:53.780 And so, because Christ expects, like, for you as a father, God expects you, hey, you've got to be taking care of your kids.

00:36:58.580 Well, this is something Jesus lectured the Pharisees about.

00:37:00.780 Yes.

00:37:00.980 He said you're ignoring your parents because you said this—

00:37:03.440 That's exactly right.

00:37:04.120 wealth goes to god that's right that's exactly right it's the same thing so you can get people

00:37:08.040 um the way we see it a lot is you'll get married women who will spend all their time at church and 0.80

00:37:12.680 they're neglecting their family at home for example um and that's the product of a demonic attack

00:37:19.320 it's uh it can be in the sense that the demons can begin to foster through temptation you can

00:37:24.360 they can foster that type of thinking that i'm doing a good thing because hey look i'm looking

00:37:28.360 going to church i get it yeah well you probably heard a lot about the prime minister of israel

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00:38:40.020 So when you actually know the duty that God wants you to be, you know, taking care of your kids and your husband, etc. 0.96

00:38:46.420 So Asmodeus is the demon of homosexuality in men.

00:38:50.340 When he's cast out, do the impulses leave?

00:38:52.860 yeah it's kind of interesting that you asked that question there was a i actually had a case that

00:38:58.060 had the noonday devil mentioned in psalm 91 as a possessor and um uh once i found out who he was

00:39:06.560 i went and i researched in the fathers who is this guy it's very fascinating he's actually the demon

00:39:11.340 of the midlife crisis according to the this is the fathers of the church you know the guys that

00:39:15.440 were around after the apostles all the way up to about 800 referred to him as the demon of the

00:39:20.080 midlife crisis. But he's also the demon of Achadia, or spiritual sloth. So once I found out

00:39:27.700 who he was, I started, but then during one of the sessions, this, after the sessions, we'll often

00:39:33.540 talk to the people that are possessed and say, what did you experience? Because a lot of times

00:39:37.700 the demon will communicate to the person or what they're experiencing. The exorcist won't see it

00:39:44.300 hear it. But the person is experiencing what the demon is often going through. And so he said,

00:39:50.240 well, the noonday devil kept crying out to Asmodeus, Asmodeus, Asmodeus. Now, this is a

00:39:59.480 guy that was married to a beautiful young wife with two children. And I said, do you have

00:40:04.760 homosexual ideation? And he says, yeah. And I don't know where it's coming from. He didn't have 0.87

00:40:09.720 the trauma that's normally associated with guys. He didn't have the psychological history

00:40:14.640 So I did a prayer to sever the connection between the new day devil and Asmodeus,

00:40:20.100 and boom, from that point on, I never had the ideation again.

00:40:23.540 Now, I'm not suggesting that all homosexuality is diabolic.

00:40:26.260 I'm just saying that because people can become homosexual through psychological.

00:40:30.080 There's a whole psychology behind it.

00:40:32.620 But the demons can drive those kinds of thoughts.

00:40:36.220 You'll get guys who are normal heterosexual men,

00:40:38.540 and all of a sudden, they'll just out of the blue,

00:40:40.180 they'll get a thought about something like that.

00:40:42.700 Well, that's not your thought.

00:40:44.060 You know, that's usually something that's diabolic.

00:40:47.300 The difficulty we're having in our culture, though, is that we're forming perverts, basically.

00:40:52.600 We keep putting stuff on the news media and in, you know, like on YouTube and that type of thing,

00:40:57.420 where we're making these associations between this thing and that thing.

00:41:00.600 And over the course of time, people's minds begin formed by that.

00:41:03.280 And so they're becoming perverted in the process, where they automatically presume if a guy's unmarried, he's got to be gay.

00:41:09.960 You know, that kind of a thing.

00:41:10.840 Well, that may or may not necessarily be the case.

00:41:12.840 So we're making those associations, okay. 0.94

00:41:16.160 In women, there's two demons of homosexuality. 1.00

00:41:19.220 The first is Lilith, who is of the more passive feminine kind of homosexual women. 0.99

00:41:28.700 These are women that you look at them and you're like, 1.00

00:41:30.680 oh, you seem like a pretty decent-looking gal. 0.86

00:41:32.480 Why didn't you just go get a guy, you know, that type of a thing. 0.96

00:41:34.820 So these are women that they're not acrimonious. 1.00

00:41:37.780 They're very, very passive, more seductive side of things. 0.97

00:41:40.840 um the other one is leviathan and leviathan is the demon of homosexuality in women of the more 0.98

00:41:48.380 aggressive kind my nickname for him is the women who are heavy on the heels right yeah yeah so 1.00

00:41:53.080 these are the the butchy women that are very you know masculine actually so they you'll see that 1.00

00:41:57.480 kind of a that phenomenon actually happen so then i tell people when they when they actually uh 0.91

00:42:03.400 when they actually allowed gay marriage they ceded our country to that tier of diabolic influence 1.00

00:42:10.780 And then the last one is, there's some debate whether it's Moloch or Balfomet,

00:42:15.300 because exorcists have different experiences of it.

00:42:17.680 But Balfomet is the primary demon, although Moloch is also a demon of child sacrifice.

00:42:23.780 But Balfomet is the demon of child sacrifice, abortion. 0.95

00:42:27.320 So when they allowed abortion in this country, 0.95

00:42:30.900 so you have those five generals now basically have a gainsay over our country,

00:42:36.220 and so their influence is extremely powerful.

00:42:38.720 And we know this just by virtue of the fact, like, to try and get rid of abortion is like extracting teeth without Novocaine.

00:42:44.260 It's just so brutal, difficult to get done.

00:42:46.880 And that's because the demons empower the people that are keeping it in place because the demons love abortion, basically.

00:42:54.660 It's interesting that child sacrifice seems to be a feature of most religions, really, historically around the world.

00:43:01.820 Like, there's almost no region in the world that we haven't found evidence of human sacrifice, child sacrifice.

00:43:07.520 Yeah.

00:43:08.080 So clearly there's something real there.

00:43:10.860 That's right.

00:43:11.280 It's like the Incas, you know, and some central African tribe didn't kind of come up with this because they were talking to each other on the internet.

00:43:19.320 That's right.

00:43:19.900 There's something organic and real about it.

00:43:21.460 What is that?

00:43:22.320 Well, I think it's the tendency of demons towards those specific things.

00:43:27.080 But do the people who participate in child sacrifice, whether it's abortion or voodoo or muti in Africa or whatever, do they receive power from demons?

00:43:37.120 some of them do actually but usually in order for them to receive power from it usually it's the

00:43:42.160 opposite they become a subject that there's a subjection now that they're under the demons

00:43:47.400 as a result of being engaged in that behavior but there are certain people that are intentionally

00:43:51.780 involved in the occult arts that engage in these specific things to empower themselves yes for

00:43:56.200 sure very common yeah and it's and it's and it's it's exploding you know but does it work in the

00:44:02.040 short term i mean does it so so the trade is in haiti in africa here santeria yeah the trade is

00:44:09.680 i pledge allegiance to a demon and in exchange i receive power wealth right does that work um

00:44:18.160 so the technical term for that is a patch you enter into a patch with a demon right yes no

00:44:23.340 a pact is a form of contract and there's certain uh aspects of a contract and so one of the aspects

00:44:29.940 of a contract is there has to be a guarantee that you can fulfill the terms of the contract.

00:44:34.140 You know, like, for example, if you enter into a contract for some guy to mow your lawn,

00:44:38.640 but he doesn't even own a lawnmower, and he's never going to bother buying one, well,

00:44:41.780 then he can't fulfill the terms of the contract. The problem with the demons is because they're

00:44:46.060 subject completely to Christ and cannot do anything unless he allows it, they can't guarantee 0.99

00:44:52.900 they can fulfill the terms of the contract. So what that basically means is that because of the

00:44:59.000 disordered act of entering into the pact, you can still become subject to them, but they may or may

00:45:04.240 not be able to deliver on their side of the contract. So I've had a case of possession or

00:45:08.320 more than one, but where they entered into a pact with the devil and the devil couldn't give him

00:45:12.680 anything, but the person ended up possessed as a result of entering into that. And destroyed.

00:45:18.700 Fortunately, these people climbed out of it because they actually sought the help and did

00:45:22.280 what they needed to do in order to become liberated from the diabolic influence, but a lot of people

00:45:26.020 just become destroyed. There are times, however, though, that God will allow the demons to fulfill

00:45:31.760 the terms of the contract. Now, what most people think is, is that they think, oh, well, the demon's

00:45:36.840 doing what I'm asking him to do, you know, and what they don't realize is each individual time

00:45:41.880 he does what they ask, they become more subject to him, and it becomes harder and harder to get

00:45:47.940 out from underneath that subjection. They're accruing debt. Exactly. How'd you get into this?

00:45:52.240 I was minding my own business. I'm an academic, you know, because I was teaching in a seminary at the time, and a case in the Archdiocese of Omaha came up, and they didn't have an exorcist.

00:46:10.480 And naively, I just told the Archdiocese, I said, well, get one, you know, and just find some priest.

00:46:14.340 But at that time, there were only 13 exorcists in the country, and about five knew what they were doing.

00:46:20.040 so um this so there was very very few um and so the eventually they ended up asking me to do it

00:46:29.280 because i had written a book in psychology where i had consulted with a number of different

00:46:33.000 exorcists to deal with the interchange between how demons affect us psychologically because

00:46:38.340 there are specific patterns that you'll begin to see that are distinguished from something that's

00:46:42.060 just pure mental illness as opposed to something that's purely diabolic which is different from

00:46:47.260 the intermix because they're so you know if you like if you saw the movie nefarious that's that

00:46:52.900 interchange between the human and the diabolic psychology that you saw um but anyway so they

00:46:59.080 asked me to do the um uh to do the case and so uh once i agreed to do it um and it had to do with

00:47:07.460 the fact that when the when the case was diagnosed it it uh that even manifested to me the first time

00:47:12.600 because the pastor i was with asked me to pray over this guy so i did and boom he immediately

00:47:16.540 manifested, the demon did. And that was an indicator that usually when demons will manifest

00:47:21.400 in relationship to a priest, it's an indicator that that's the priest that's going to liberate,

00:47:25.300 usually. And that's because demons are very tuned to the power structure. And so they know this is

00:47:32.560 the guy that Christ has intended for me to, you know, take their slacking from. So I started being

00:47:38.380 their exorcist. I did that for about two years. And then I was actually moved to take care of a

00:47:43.880 problematic parish to clean it up. But I continued doing exorcisms for the Archdiocese of Omaha and

00:47:52.560 a couple of other dioceses, actually. Again, because there was virtually nobody that was

00:47:58.120 available. And then in 2011, Bishop Slattery of Tulsa asked me to found a society of priests that

00:48:04.980 this is exclusively what we do. We only do exorcism work. We don't do parish work. You know,

00:48:10.940 I do lecture publicly, but primarily about this particular area to inform the people about what

00:48:16.580 they can do to keep themselves protected. So that's how I kind of got drug into it. And so

00:48:20.280 I've been doing exorcisms for about 18 years. So when you started, there were five capable

00:48:24.400 exorcists, you said? How many are there now in the U.S.? Well, right now there's probably about

00:48:28.040 130 to 140 exorcists that are mandated or named by their bishops. But out of that 140, maybe only

00:48:35.240 about 20 to 25, I would feel comfortable sending someone knowing that they're going to get the

00:48:39.860 help they actually need. Because this is, historically in the Catholic Church, this was

00:48:43.920 done by mentorship. So even though I've written a book on diabolic influence, that's the academic

00:48:52.460 side. But you have to sit in on session and see how you actually have to handle these guys,

00:48:57.560 because you're basically handling like a piece of nitroglycerin, you know, you can talk to them

00:49:00.940 about don't do this and don't do that, but they actually have to see it. And so there was a

00:49:05.200 mentorship. Well, that mentorship collapsed in the 50s, which we talked about before.

00:49:09.860 And so now we're getting that back up off the ground.

00:49:12.460 And so a lot of the guys haven't been under a good mentorship,

00:49:17.900 and that's why there's so few that actually are very proficient at this.

00:49:21.340 Clinical exorcists.

00:49:22.740 Kind of, yeah.

00:49:23.540 Yeah, like practicing.

00:49:25.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:49:26.200 Yeah.

00:49:28.180 Yeah, it sounds like a potentially dangerous job.

00:49:33.560 Yeah, okay, so that's a very good observation.

00:49:35.780 um the way it works is so the church actually has it's it's called the prenotanda or the note

00:49:43.160 which is basically a series of do's and don'ts right um but there's also ones that's also part

00:49:49.400 of the part of the mentorship too is to be trained look there's there's a set of guardrails

00:49:53.860 if you stay in your lane and you don't get out of that lane theologically by doing something

00:50:00.060 that's theologically daft or that's bad, you're relatively safe. Nothing grave is going to happen

00:50:08.640 to you. Now, it doesn't mean that you don't get beat around a little bit. You're stepping into

00:50:12.220 a boxing ring, right? And that's why a lot of times they'll afflict you with certain thoughts

00:50:18.160 or they'll do certain things to try and affect your health and things like that. But that's one

00:50:24.000 of the reasons why the Society of Priests that I started, we are semi-contemplative. We pray three

00:50:27.980 to four hours a day. And we pray primarily to, in addition to maintain that unity with Christ,

00:50:35.500 because as long as you stay with Christ, you're safe. It's when you try to branch out on your own

00:50:39.560 or you think that it's actually not, that it's you liberating these people and not Christ,

00:50:43.700 that's when you're going to get taken to the woodshed. And so what we do is we pray three

00:50:48.620 to four, and it deals with all the different kinds of diabolic influence, everything from

00:50:51.740 normal temptation to oppression to obsession, to keep us protected. So we have a specific set

00:50:57.720 of prayers to create a protection by keeping us under Christ and keeping that protection in place.

00:51:03.980 So if you do it, if you stay in your lane, you're relatively safe. It doesn't mean that you're,

00:51:08.400 like I said, you're not going to get, you're going to get beat around a little bit.

00:51:11.760 But the good news about that is, is it also the first two years of the exorcist is the worst.

00:51:18.300 And the reason being is, is because the demons are probably contesting every single area of

00:51:21.900 your weakness. And they know your weaknesses are because they've been watching you your whole life.

00:51:24.920 and so they'll start picking at certain areas of your moral weaknesses

00:51:30.520 and things of that sort or even psychological tendencies

00:51:33.300 that may not be necessarily healthy and they'll start picking at those things

00:51:36.560 and so you have to really shore those up in a hurry

00:51:40.160 because otherwise you're going to get taken down

00:51:42.740 and I've seen a lot of priests actually that became exorcists initially

00:51:45.440 who didn't get that cleaned up and did get taken down

00:51:48.240 so you have to be very...

00:51:50.240 I believe that.

00:51:50.980 Yeah, so you have to really stay in your lane

00:51:54.220 and do everything you can to eradicate any defect,

00:51:58.940 spiritual, moral, or otherwise that you might have.

00:52:02.080 It's very obvious to me that demonic forces

00:52:05.880 go after Christian leadership. 0.71

00:52:07.780 Yes. 0.98

00:52:08.260 It's one of the reasons so many of them are rotten.

00:52:10.520 I feel sorry for them.

00:52:12.080 And also leadership in general.

00:52:13.700 The U.S. Congress has a much higher incidence

00:52:17.000 of diseased personal lives than the American population. 0.51

00:52:21.900 That's right.

00:52:22.140 And that's not an accident because they have authority.

00:52:24.140 I mean, that's just what I've noticed.

00:52:25.320 Do you think that's true?

00:52:26.060 Oh, I think that's absolutely true.

00:52:27.800 I mean, as far as the Christian leaders, a lot of times what happens is a lot of times they'll start out with good intentions.

00:52:32.100 Totally.

00:52:32.360 But then when they get to that position of power, it attracts the demons.

00:52:35.580 Because for demons, because they're cut off from God, they no longer have grace.

00:52:41.460 They don't even know the economy of grace.

00:52:43.460 And by that I mean in a sense they don't even know what helps that God is going to give to different people to get their lives together.

00:52:48.280 They have no access to any of that knowledge.

00:52:50.600 They don't have any of that.

00:52:51.580 They don't have – they hate each other.

00:52:53.740 They can't stand each other.

00:52:54.740 So they don't even have the common –

00:52:55.780 They hate each other?

00:52:56.520 Yeah, they completely hate each other.

00:52:58.160 Of course they do.

00:52:58.860 Yeah, and so as a result of that, they can't – they have – the only reason they get along is because they have a common end, which is to take us down, right?

00:53:05.660 Man, you're describing people I know.

00:53:07.920 Well, I'm getting there, Tucker.

00:53:10.040 I'm sorry you are.

00:53:11.160 I'm getting there.

00:53:12.160 So the only thing that's left with the demons is because they were created in a hierarchy.

00:53:18.440 So how intelligent they are, they have a will that's proportionately intelligent, is strong to that intelligence.

00:53:24.600 And different demons have different degrees of intelligence.

00:53:27.260 And so basically what that means is that their will, one demon's will is stronger than another.

00:53:32.440 So in hell, there's only one thing that's left, and that's raw power.

00:53:37.840 And so what happens is, but it's also, but that power is melded with malice and self-servitude and that type of thing.

00:53:45.680 And so what happens is that when you see people that go into positions of power, that attracts the demons because they know if I can get control of this guy, then I can basically use his power that he has to cause all this other damage or to take other people down.

00:54:04.080 That means there's – so as I mentioned, a lot of the Christian leaders, they go with the right intentions.

00:54:09.540 But when you're talking about politics or in the civil affairs where power is involved, sometimes people go in it with the right intentions, but then they get corrupted afterwards because the demons start.

00:54:19.200 When you get that high profile, the demons are going to be really spending a lot of time and energy trying to take you down.

00:54:25.020 But the other side of it is, too, is that – and we've seen this even in the Catholic Church.

00:54:28.720 They'll get the wrong types of people into positions of authority. 0.96

00:54:32.480 They know this particular person has this defect.

00:54:35.340 They'll give the person the inspiration.

00:54:36.980 You should go into politics.

00:54:38.360 You should rule.

00:54:40.460 You should be the governor.

00:54:41.720 And so then they'll incline the person to go into that governorship knowing that because of this person's psychological compatibility with them, with the demons, that they can manipulate this person to cause all sorts of damage.

00:54:55.100 Man, have I seen that a lot.

00:54:56.680 I mean, you must watch the news with your jaw open because you know what's happening.

00:55:01.420 Well, I watch the news from a distance because it's almost like being in session.

00:55:07.020 Like, oh yeah, I just saw that this afternoon, you know.

00:55:10.060 Really?

00:55:10.720 Yeah.

00:55:10.960 In fact, that's actually one of the reasons.

00:55:14.100 That's actually one of the – there's two things that I think you find interesting.

00:55:17.160 I actually did a series on how communism and diabolic psychology are identical.

00:55:22.020 When you strip the veneer away of one being political and the other one being from the spirit world, we pull that veneer away.

00:55:27.740 The patterns of thinking are exactly the same.

00:55:30.620 Is that true?

00:55:31.940 Yeah, it is.

00:55:33.020 It is.

00:55:33.400 Can you – that's worth lingering on for a moment.

00:55:36.160 Can you describe what you see as similar between the way demons behave and the way that the Bolsheviks behaved? 0.79

00:55:42.440 Yeah.

00:55:42.700 I mean, well, we see it even happening in our own country in the sense that demons always present a temptation as this pie in the sky, great thing that you're going to get.

00:55:51.620 And you're going to get all this pleasure and joy and everything's going to turn out right.

00:55:57.340 This dog's got an itch.

00:55:58.800 There you go.

00:55:59.880 But they'll present it as, you know, this is a great thing.

00:56:03.480 You're going to get this pleasure.

00:56:04.380 You're going to get this.

00:56:05.060 You're going to get power.

00:56:05.720 you're going to get but then but then once once they get and so then you give into the temptation

00:56:11.980 and then from there they take you down it's the exact same thing in in uh in communism they it's

00:56:18.100 a pie in the sky thing we're going to have nirvana because you know nobody's going to have to you

00:56:22.540 know there's not going to be any uh private property you're never going to have to worry

00:56:26.300 if the government's going to provide everything everything's going to be peaceful and joyful and

00:56:30.240 it's because of capitalism that there's all these wars it's you know it's it's they sell you a bill

00:56:34.660 of goods, they get you to sign off on it, and then from there they take you down. And that's

00:56:39.660 exactly what the communists do. This is one of the reasons why one of the patterns in relationship

00:56:43.920 to politicians in this country that are clearly communist. I always watch, I say, you can just

00:56:51.340 watch the pattern. They'll start out idealistic, but I always tell people, give them a couple years

00:56:56.700 and you're going to see the malice. Oh, yeah. And that's what you're hurting people. Yes, exactly.

00:57:01.640 And they think it's justified to achieve this good thing in the end.

00:57:06.100 But here's another one.

00:57:07.100 And you see that exact pattern of behavior in demons?

00:57:10.140 Yeah, in forms of temptation, when they diabolically obsess people about certain things.

00:57:15.060 You know, obsession is where the demons besiege their imagination and their emotions to such a degree that the person can't really think outside the box.

00:57:22.280 Oh, man, who hasn't been there?

00:57:24.080 Yeah, well, that's it.

00:57:25.340 And this is one of the reasons why, but from that you can self-liberate.

00:57:28.560 Where you're just totally distracted all the time because you're focused on this one thing.

00:57:33.280 Usually it's lust-related, but not always.

00:57:35.340 Sometimes it's greed-related.

00:57:36.840 Right.

00:57:37.300 And a lot of times the way you know it's diabolic is if it's from yourself, you can

00:57:41.600 usually like, okay, I've got to put that side of that.

00:57:43.300 And then you go on.

00:57:44.100 But when it's from the demons, you'll kick it out and it comes back.

00:57:46.080 You kick it out and it comes back.

00:57:47.100 And it's kind of this battle of just trying to keep that thing at bay.

00:57:50.960 Being angry at people?

00:57:53.340 Yes.

00:57:53.860 Envy?

00:57:54.460 Yeah.

00:57:54.680 Another sign of diabolic obsession is it'll switch on and it'll switch off without any external stimulus.

00:58:00.900 You'll wake up in the morning just torqued.

00:58:02.260 You're like, why am I mad?

00:58:04.200 Or something will happen and you're just like, why am I sad or why am I angry at this particular person, et cetera.

00:58:10.040 And so one of the forms of diabolic, when they affect people psychologically,

00:58:15.200 you see this even with people getting fired for no reason whatsoever

00:58:18.080 because the demons step in and say, hey, you've got to get rid of this person.

00:58:20.880 Put a perspective that there's something wrong with this person.

00:58:23.140 And then you go back afterwards after the person's gone.

00:58:25.560 Like if you have the highest rated show on TV and all of a sudden they fire you one day.

00:58:29.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:30.520 That's what, no, but that's just it.

00:58:31.740 I should have said that.

00:58:32.600 Well, yeah, but I mean, but it's proof though that the demons, anybody that is starting to get a little too close to how the demons are functioning in society or in a corporation or whatever the case, you start getting, you start really seeking the truth regardless of the personal cost.

00:58:47.340 The demon's like, we got to get this guy out of here.

00:58:49.900 And then technically the term for that is a snare.

00:58:52.620 They can put a perspective on a particular individual thinking there's something wrong with this guy.

00:58:56.680 We've got to get rid of him.

00:58:58.440 That is fascinating.

00:58:59.680 I'm sorry.

00:59:00.120 I never should have tied it to myself.

00:59:01.880 This is certainly not about me, but I just couldn't resist this.

00:59:05.320 Well, here's another one in relationship to the politics, but you've probably even seen this even in the news media industry.

00:59:11.220 So one case that I had, it's the only case I've ever had of Satan as the possessor.

00:59:17.740 Those kinds of cases are very, very rare, even historically.

00:59:20.960 and the only reason i thought he was actually this has got to be the guys because he was trying to

00:59:25.820 kill this woman and um that he was possessing and he was also he i for three straight days i beat 0.94

00:59:31.080 this guy ruthlessly in a session and he just lied all the time even when it would go better for him 0.98

00:59:35.520 if he just told the truth he would just lie which is what christ said about him he said he was a

00:59:39.840 liar and a murderer from the beginning yeah yeah so um but anyway at a certain point what came out

00:59:46.360 was so in heaven there are nemeses just as saint michael fights against against the against the

00:59:52.940 demons there's nemeses in heaven against the demons so the demons actually have nemeses

00:59:57.520 specific specific holy people in heaven that actually combat them or deal with them and

01:00:03.580 very often it's because of the facts like for example um the uh the demon against uh the noon

01:00:09.840 day devil is actually saint kathleen of alexandria because of the fact that she 0.94

01:00:13.560 conquered him by conquering that particular aspect of human nature, which is the tendency

01:00:18.060 of just being slothful and lazy, right? Well, in this particular case with Satan is the nemeses

01:00:24.420 was St. Joan of Arc. And the reason it was St. Joan of Arc, as it starts to come out in the case,

01:00:31.620 because you have a series of sessions and stuff starts to be revealed about the dynamics of the

01:00:36.920 case and why Christ allowed it and why is this particular demon possessing this person at this

01:00:42.060 time and for whatever reason. And what basically came out was, is that St. Joan of Arc was the

01:00:47.300 nemesis because she actually showed up during one of the sessions. I don't see her, but the person

01:00:50.920 who's possessed actually saw her appear. And the demon just completely freaked out and starts

01:00:59.400 running straight at me. And when I'm watching him run straight at me, I'm like, he's not coming at

01:01:04.220 me. He's trying to get away from something. She literally ran over the top of me and runs the 0.96

01:01:07.920 woman that's possessed, but it was actually the demon goes and goes and cowers in the corner. 1.00

01:01:12.060 And so I asked the woman, I said, what, after the session was over, I asked the woman, what happened?

01:01:16.460 She said, well, Joan of Arc appeared.

01:01:18.400 That's how terrified they are of the people in heaven.

01:01:21.820 Well, over the course of time, what came out is that the reason St. Joan of Arc was the nemesis of Satan in this particular case

01:01:28.480 was because of the fact that St. Joan of Arc is the nemesis to Satan under the aspect of treason through ambition.

01:01:37.860 Yeah.

01:01:40.020 Treason through ambition.

01:01:41.560 And the reason Joan of Arc is the nemesis of him under that aspect is because she was put to death by a bishop who was French, who was siding with the English so that he could get a higher bishopric.

01:01:53.720 He would advance in the church.

01:01:56.000 So he commits treason in order to advance himself.

01:02:00.180 And that's what the ambition part is.

01:02:02.480 That's a description of a vast majority of the politicians in this country.

01:02:06.140 That's amazing.

01:02:07.380 Yeah, you see it all over the place.

01:02:09.060 So, I just need to ask this before I forget.

01:02:12.080 So, in the famous scene where Jesus casts out the demons called Legion from the man wandering the tombs on the other side of the lake.

01:02:23.040 Right.

01:02:23.520 It's in a couple gospels, I think. 0.97

01:02:25.660 And they say, send us into the herd of pigs, the thousand pigs. 0.90

01:02:29.120 Right. 0.78

01:02:29.520 And the pigs drown themselves.

01:02:31.280 They immediately commit suicide.

01:02:32.980 Yes.

01:02:33.260 Okay, so the two questions I have are, is it a feature of this realm that demons possess animals?

01:02:41.720 Yes, they can possess things.

01:02:43.140 The technical term for that is infestation, which is different from possession.

01:02:46.260 Okay.

01:02:46.620 But infestation is where they basically can get into houses.

01:02:50.020 I've had to clean up a lot of houses, buildings.

01:02:52.500 Physical places.

01:02:53.680 Yeah, because they like things.

01:02:56.100 They like places.

01:02:56.560 I'm possessing them.

01:02:58.000 They can also get into inanimate objects.

01:03:00.500 um uh i knew a guy that actually there's what they call fortuna which is a their little figurines

01:03:07.380 um where they they're like their inversion of the catholic statue type of thing or catholic image

01:03:12.540 yeah and so what they do is they put a curse on these particular things and then from there they

01:03:15.620 can affect people and this priest ended up having a case where he had a whole bunch of those he put

01:03:20.180 them in a bag and put them in his car and as he's driving down the highway because he didn't have a

01:03:23.900 chance to burn or destroy them yet as he's driving down the the the road he's just he goes over this

01:03:29.260 bridge and he does not paying attention next thing you know he's underneath a tractor trailer 0.70

01:03:33.100 the car is shreds every single inch of that car except for that where he was sitting that's crazy

01:03:41.280 yeah another priest he he there was a case where a guy had killed his wife in the backyard and he

01:03:48.620 found this the priest found that and the house was infested so he when he went there he said well

01:03:53.440 let's take a look to see if we can find any remnants of this deed and he found this shotgun

01:03:57.020 shell so he gets the house cleaned up but he didn't have a chance to get rid of the shotgun

01:04:00.620 shell he said until it went from the time i took possession of that shotgun shell until 40

01:04:04.560 48 hours later when i got rid of it every single thing in my life went wrong

01:04:10.200 so they can actually infest things and then from there they actually influence things

01:04:15.020 have you seen it with living animals uh yeah well i i haven't seen them actually uh infest

01:04:22.780 the animals to the point where the animals are doing that, but I have heard of other exorcists

01:04:27.000 having that. I have seen them actually afflict animals. There was one case where the land was

01:04:34.440 infested, and the people who owned the farm on there lost 50 animals in the course of one year,

01:04:41.860 and it was under really odd circumstances. So the one day they just came out and stepped out

01:04:48.140 on the porch, and they had these Pyrenees. One of the Pyrenees was just standing. All of a sudden,

01:04:52.160 that the Pyrenees just starts choking to death

01:04:54.200 and kills it, right?

01:04:56.800 And so, because the demon on the property,

01:04:58.460 it took us a while to get the guy out of there,

01:04:59.940 but we finally got him out.

01:05:01.520 But then they took it to a vet

01:05:03.500 and they said, there's no obstruction,

01:05:04.640 there's no reason,

01:05:05.200 there's no reason this dog should be dead.

01:05:07.580 So they can actually do that.

01:05:09.680 What do you know about cattle mutilation?

01:05:13.300 Anything?

01:05:15.840 Some of the cattle mutilation,

01:05:17.280 you know, the stuff that I've actually studied,

01:05:19.780 it's a little bit unclear to me

01:05:21.420 about what the actual motivation is of some of the people that do it,

01:05:24.280 but some of it is actually a cult activity.

01:05:26.560 Yeah, clearly.

01:05:27.940 Yeah, and so, and part of that is it's the, they're still,

01:05:32.420 what they're doing is they're inverting the sacrifice.

01:05:36.620 So, you know, in the Old Testament, all the sacrifices of the animals

01:05:39.800 were actually just a lead-up or a type or a prefigurement to Christ, right?

01:05:44.660 And so what they do is they do these rituals

01:05:46.840 that are like the inversion of those things in the Old Testament

01:05:49.160 where they're sacrificing animals and doing specific things

01:05:51.700 and occult activity to empower themselves.

01:05:54.540 So a lot of those, I've heard, I haven't, you know,

01:05:58.200 it's not something I can verify or vouch for 100%,

01:06:01.240 but I've talked to a lot of police officers in areas like that,

01:06:04.400 and they say, yeah, there's a satanic coven over here, 0.94

01:06:07.780 there's this, there's witches get involved in this type of stuff too. 0.95

01:06:10.840 And so they'll say that, you know, you'll see those kinds of things

01:06:14.720 where there's a high degree of, or a high number of people involved in the occult arts.

01:06:22.140 What about the connection between demonic possession and suicide? 0.84

01:06:25.340 I just can't help but notice that the second the demons enter the pigs, they kill themselves.

01:06:30.720 Yeah, they have an animus delendi, right? 0.51

01:06:32.280 They want to destroy everything they get in contact with.

01:06:35.840 In fact, during one session that I actually had with Beelzebub,

01:06:38.420 which is another name for Satan, because to appear under Satan is one thing,

01:06:42.260 But having to possess something under the aspect of Beelzebub is another matter.

01:06:47.680 But at one point, I just said, basically, the reason you hate everything is because whenever you see creation, you see him, isn't it?

01:06:56.040 Referring to God.

01:06:57.540 And he says, yes, that's why I want to destroy everything.

01:07:00.100 So they have that.

01:07:00.960 They do drive suicide.

01:07:03.120 Now, people can commit suicide on their own.

01:07:04.820 um like for example as you probably know there's certain um ssris that actually have an 80 percent

01:07:10.640 uh suicidal ideation rate right so there's you can people can have you can people can commit

01:07:16.200 suicide or have that inclination from that but the demons also will begin picking at the person

01:07:21.120 so one of the things that the demons do is they try from the very beginning of our lives

01:07:27.180 they'll start tempting us with certain things when they see us being born because the knowledge of

01:07:32.920 these things are infused in their mind, they actually know what our DNA is. And so they know,

01:07:36.620 okay, because of this guy's genetic disposition, he's more likely to be inclined to these kinds

01:07:41.260 of sins and not those. So they'll start picking at the kid from a very early age,

01:07:44.620 tempting him to do certain things in that area. And their goal is not just to get him to commit

01:07:49.520 sin and offend God, although that's the primary reason, but it's to slowly build a psychological

01:07:53.520 compatibility. Because each time you give into that, you create a set of habits in you and you

01:07:58.760 create these defects that make you much more easily and intertwine with them for sure and

01:08:04.260 and so they're actually building that and so what happens is a lot of times when you see with

01:08:09.100 suicide not all cases because some cases are it's it's entirely natural right it's a psychological

01:08:14.580 issue that's brought this about but we've seen this with people who are possessed a lot of times

01:08:20.020 in fact every person that i've known that's possessed has had very strong and sometimes

01:08:25.600 they say uncontrollable inclinations to suicide. But they know that it displeases God, so they

01:08:30.600 don't. How does a person know, well, how does a person get possessed by a demon? And then how does

01:08:38.700 he know he's possessed? There's three ways. So the first is you commit some grave sin,

01:08:46.440 like abortion, murder. Engaging in the occult arts is one of the principal ways that we see

01:08:53.340 people becoming possessed, selling your soul to the devil, stuff like that. So you do something

01:08:57.300 really bad, and then that opens the door. In the Catholic sphere, we call it a mortal sin,

01:09:02.840 something that's really grave that you commit, and those sins can open you up to diabolic

01:09:07.740 influence. Now, the way it works, though, is because Christ has perfect power over the demons,

01:09:13.520 we open the door, but to be able to step across the threshold, Christ has to give them permission.

01:09:18.760 So most people who do stuff that's really bad don't become possessed because of the fact that

01:09:22.680 Christ just doesn't allow it because it's not going to be good for the person ultimately,

01:09:26.520 even though they've opened up the door. So they've done something really bad. That's about

01:09:30.060 50% of our caseload is that. And do you ask about the person's history? Yes, because we want to know

01:09:35.740 what could be the cause of the entry. Because if we know how the demon got in, a lot of times

01:09:42.100 that's going to tell us how you're going to get him out. And so we very often want to know that

01:09:46.840 specific kind of information. The other 50% roughly is something really disordered or grave

01:09:54.580 has happened to you. So for example, one case that I worked on, the woman was run over by a car,

01:09:59.900 her sister ran her over with a car. About 50% of our caseload are women who have been raped,

01:10:06.780 molested psychologically, or physically abused in a grave fashion. And that disorder is the

01:10:14.580 domain of the diabolic. And so that opens the person up to getting possessed, the woman getting

01:10:19.860 possessed. And people say, well, that doesn't seem fair. Well, that's true in one sense. On the other

01:10:24.500 hand, Christ permits it. And what you find very often is those, especially the women you'll find 0.98

01:10:29.740 this, as they climb their way out, they become some of the most holy people you'll ever meet.

01:10:34.100 Because the amount of virtue they have to obtain to engage in the battle becomes pretty significant.

01:10:40.180 How does a person, I mean, we're not encouraged to think that the torment we experience is the cause of demons.

01:10:48.980 Right.

01:10:49.300 Right.

01:10:49.600 So how does a person realize, wait, I think I have some alien being in me?

01:10:54.400 It gets to causation.

01:10:56.460 So if your torment is because you've got a bad conscience because of the fact that you've been doing a lot of bad things,

01:11:00.700 well, that's probably not necessarily diabolic.

01:11:02.760 So there's natural explanations that can be for it.

01:11:04.900 um sometimes too you know like for example there's uh hypothyroidism people can become depressed as

01:11:10.820 a result of that so there can be natural organic causes for that um but the other way that you

01:11:16.060 would note is if there's no prior causation but you're just like you feel afflicted so we'll get

01:11:20.300 people who like have been occur have been cursed and they said yeah i just set in one day and i was

01:11:25.500 just depressed from that point on or i was just angry all the time from that point on i know

01:11:29.700 someone that happened to prominent person that happened to you yeah yeah and so um so you have

01:11:34.600 to look into the causation where did this come from um and as i mentioned if it's diabolic

01:11:39.640 obsession it'll switch on and switch off as an exorcist will pray over people like that and you

01:11:45.280 see a very distinctive pattern in this because as you're trying to assess whether this is demonic

01:11:50.240 yes correct because sometimes it's just psychological right so we just um so you show up you get the

01:11:55.060 call i i or someone i love i think is possessed you show up at the house and tell us what you do

01:12:01.340 if you don't mind and how you make that determination um so usually we'll do kind of

01:12:05.240 a initial intake or interview we actually have a vetting process because the the society of

01:12:09.040 priests that i get we get about um it ranges from anywhere right now it ranges anywhere from 400 to

01:12:14.960 800 requests for help a month and so um i always tell people i got pretty good job security yeah

01:12:21.120 considering it was in this country you do yeah but usually but the way it normally works is what

01:12:26.120 they call the roman model is is you'll just sit down you'll talk to the individual and talk and

01:12:29.460 what you're trying to do is get a sense of what they're experiencing first but then also the cause

01:12:33.960 what could have been the cause in relationship to this was there a psychological thing that

01:12:38.300 happened to you know where you raped when you're a kid or did your father abuse you or what have

01:12:41.640 you you're looking for specific things in their past you could explain it more on a cycle on a 0.69

01:12:45.640 psychological level but then at a certain point there's actually a set of prayers that will

01:12:49.980 actually say over the person and if it's psychological you won't see much of a change

01:12:53.840 they might feel a little better when you pray over them but that's just because of the social

01:12:58.180 interaction and someone's actually listening to their problem right whereas if it's diabolic

01:13:02.340 obsession all of a sudden they'll feel this lifting and they feel like they're symptom free

01:13:07.940 and they're like wow that was fantastic i feel great now diabolic obsession is by degree and so

01:13:14.740 what can happen is, if it's really entrenched, that feel of freedom and lightness will only last

01:13:20.680 for like four or five hours at the most, maybe a day at the most, and then it'll set back in.

01:13:25.980 And then you'll pray over them again, and then you see this, you kind of get this

01:13:28.740 dolphin pattern. But they have to go, they themselves have to fight their way out there.

01:13:32.320 We put them under a prayer regimen and a spiritual regimen to fight their way out,

01:13:35.980 and then as you pray over them, it'll slowly lift, and then eventually they're freed.

01:13:39.760 um but you'll see these distinctive patterns whereas if it's psychological it just will kind

01:13:44.980 of flat line and so um that's one of the ways that we can actually know but the the high drama

01:13:50.460 moments that you described at the outset where the person when the demon is speaking to you

01:13:54.180 through the person sometimes in his voice sometimes in the demon's voice yeah how often

01:13:59.620 does that happen uh well possession is very rare so um statistically out of 800 people or so the

01:14:05.340 contact is maybe four of them. I should have asked you to define terms. What's the distinction

01:14:11.300 between influence and possession? So influence is the broadest category. It's just a genus

01:14:17.760 of how they, so they can influence by temptation. Right. Oppression is where they attack your 0.90

01:14:23.480 externals, like your job situation, things like that. Obsession is where they attack your

01:14:29.020 psychological faculties primarily, and they obsess you. And then possession is where they

01:14:33.280 actually take possession of a specific part of the body. And then from there, they'll drive

01:14:36.920 obsession and oppression. So all of us, from time to time, experience the first suite of symptoms.

01:14:41.740 Yes. All of us are subject to what they call ordinary diabolic temptation.

01:14:46.140 Yeah. And that's why the Lord's Prayer says, lead us not in temptation,

01:14:49.420 deliver us from the evil one. Exactly. And then the other forms are what we call

01:14:53.200 extraordinary diabolic influence. They're extraordinary in two reasons. One, they're

01:14:55.540 above and beyond what most people experience. But then the other part of it is that they

01:14:59.860 are rare. They're rarer, I should say. So possession, how do you know you're

01:15:05.140 confronting one of those unusual cases? Well, there are what we call the primary

01:15:12.040 and secondary signs of possession. The secondary signs are certain psychological

01:15:15.220 patterns, certain patterns we'll see in the person's life of what's happening.

01:15:18.360 They can give us an indicator, but they don't give us certitude. What gives us

01:15:22.340 certitude is you'll pray over them, and then you'll see a preternatural sign.

01:15:25.600 This is something that a human being is not capable of doing, like morphing,

01:15:28.580 changing shape, as I mentioned before, or superhuman strength. There was a case out in California a few

01:15:35.280 years back where this 80-year-old woman who had to have a walker to get in just to get into the 1.00

01:15:40.280 case, the sessions, they had four beefy police officers there during this case, and as soon as

01:15:46.720 this demon manifested, he just threw them all over the room. So these are types of things, or another

01:15:51.440 case that a friend of mine had, as it was a 10-year-old boy, they had two police officers there

01:15:56.720 that were 250 pounds each.

01:15:58.480 He lifted them both off the ground

01:15:59.680 at the same time with ease.

01:16:01.700 So these are super human strength.

01:16:03.380 So you'll see those particular kinds of things.

01:16:07.420 Did you get unknown languages,

01:16:09.500 foreign languages ever?

01:16:10.340 Yeah, so that's one of the other ones.

01:16:12.240 So speaking in languages they've never studied.

01:16:14.580 Now, this is, and so a lot of times,

01:16:20.220 you know, psychologists for a while

01:16:21.520 were saying that, oh, well,

01:16:22.440 maybe the person's heard the language.

01:16:23.760 Well, I don't know of anybody

01:16:24.760 who can hear a language

01:16:25.560 want them to be absolutely fluent in it right and so two there's languages like the the first case

01:16:30.940 of possession ever dealt with this guy was speaking a form of phoenician that had been

01:16:35.180 defunct for 3 500 years so he's never phoenician yeah he'd been so this is so and fluently by the

01:16:43.560 way so we're not talking about so this is not this is not a psychological issue um there's other

01:16:49.200 things too uh so that the then so there's uh speaking in foreign languages in fact it's kind

01:16:55.400 of funny i had this one case where the demon um he uh christ restricts what languages they can

01:17:01.940 speak with you even though they know all the languages he restricts them and so in this

01:17:05.780 particular case he was restricted speaking in latin so i had to converse with him in latin now

01:17:09.700 my latin is decent but once in a while i'll you know when the when you're supposed to use the

01:17:14.960 accusative, I used the dative grammatically, and he would just, when I would do that, I didn't do

01:17:19.980 it right, he would just ignore me, like he just didn't have to put up with this, right? And so

01:17:24.640 then I would correct my language. And who was the person he was occupying? It was actually, it was

01:17:29.340 a woman that was actually possessed. But not a Latin scholar? No, not, not, she didn't even know

01:17:35.060 Latin. So at the end of it, I told, I commanded the demon to consider the fact that he'd actually 0.94

01:17:39.440 improved my grammar he wasn't he wasn't happy with that one so you mock them uh not it's it's

01:17:46.500 not mocking them i just inform them and stuff that makes that it's painful for them because

01:17:51.300 you don't want to mock them because that's that's um degrading right and we don't want to degrade

01:17:55.480 we don't want to be involved in the degrading process it's the same reason why you don't call

01:17:59.880 them names you know you that even in the ritual there's a listing of names of theirs but you're 1.00

01:18:06.800 not going to call them like, hey, stupid, do this, because they're not stupid, right? 1.00

01:18:11.060 And part of that is because they'll be happy if you do that because of the fact that that 1.00

01:18:16.220 means your speech isn't perfectly modest.

01:18:19.640 And so, at least in relation...

01:18:20.740 That's totally right.

01:18:21.640 Yeah.

01:18:21.980 And so they get power.

01:18:23.560 They get power out of it.

01:18:25.180 Boy, I've seen this in the human realm.

01:18:27.200 Yeah.

01:18:27.460 They're inviting you.

01:18:28.480 Certain people are clearly under the influence of these things, invite you to lower yourself

01:18:34.340 and invite you to mock and swear and degrade. 0.54

01:18:39.760 And the second you do that, they become swollen with power.

01:18:43.200 And I don't know if it's your experience,

01:18:44.340 but in my experience with demons,

01:18:45.360 they're willing to take a beating to get that out of you.

01:18:48.940 They'll take the mockery. 0.96

01:18:50.380 They'll take those that you're treating them badly

01:18:52.940 if it means they're getting power over you.

01:18:55.980 Yeah, I think they're trying to incite you

01:18:57.600 to become more like them.

01:18:58.600 That's exactly it.

01:19:00.380 That's exactly it.

01:19:01.080 Boy, I've seen that a lot.

01:19:02.440 And I don't know anything about what you're saying.

01:19:05.320 I've just – the parallels to the experience that, like, anyone engaged in our political discourse has to what you're saying are, like, crazy.

01:19:13.520 But, you know, in talking about that psychological compatibility, we have just a lot of people today that are psychologically compatible with a lot of demons, and that's why we're seeing that behavior.

01:19:22.760 These people are just psychologically compatible with them.

01:19:24.800 And what – can you just restate what the qualities are that you see in people that are compatible with demons?

01:19:32.560 Just like to remember to avoid these things.

01:19:34.860 What are they?

01:19:35.800 Well, it's basically people that – and this is actually some of the secondary signs of possession.

01:19:39.780 It's people who are – have a tendency towards mendacity.

01:19:42.980 Lying.

01:19:43.260 Lying all the time. 0.99

01:19:44.700 Duplicitous.

01:19:46.440 I've made this comment even publicly about certain politicians.

01:19:49.660 You know, you can tell that these people are in cahoots with the devil because of the fact that every single thing they do maximizes damage within their capacity to do so.

01:19:58.520 You know, you get around people that are like that.

01:20:02.180 Oh, yes.

01:20:02.900 Yeah.

01:20:03.100 I know them.

01:20:04.240 Even though they might have a veneer of respectability, they're in a position of authority, and they kind of conduct themselves a certain way, everything they do.

01:20:11.320 And they don't show any, like a normal, I lie.

01:20:14.680 I have lied.

01:20:15.500 I hate lying, but I have done it.

01:20:17.120 but when I do it

01:20:18.680 or I think most people

01:20:19.440 when they lie

01:20:19.940 you know you kind of

01:20:21.100 twitch a little bit

01:20:21.800 you don't want to lie

01:20:22.480 it's the people who

01:20:24.180 register no concern

01:20:26.480 at all about lying

01:20:27.300 that is a sign

01:20:28.680 yes

01:20:29.200 do you think

01:20:29.660 yeah absolutely

01:20:30.520 yeah and that's

01:20:32.040 that psychological compatibility

01:20:33.380 or people that are willing

01:20:34.900 to just sacrifice

01:20:35.680 other people

01:20:36.220 for the sake of them

01:20:36.920 getting even some

01:20:37.740 of the most modest of gains

01:20:38.920 you know

01:20:39.460 where they're just

01:20:40.040 they're

01:20:40.940 so the demons will just

01:20:42.480 I mean

01:20:42.920 they'll be happy 1.00

01:20:43.780 to kill a bunch of 1.00

01:20:44.480 a bunch of you know 1.00

01:20:45.580 unborn children

01:20:46.360 And in order to empower themselves in relationship to, you know, say one particular politician or another, they're more than happy to do so.

01:20:54.480 Wow.

01:20:55.560 The other third sign of, the preternatural sign, so one is things that are beyond human capacity, which I mentioned, speaking foreign languages, but the other one is occult knowledge.

01:21:07.280 And that's in two forms.

01:21:08.680 so they'll uh i mentioned it earlier we mentioned a little bit earlier about this woman who was 0.98

01:21:15.480 making theological distinctions you know the demon was making theological distinctions this

01:21:20.780 is a form of knowledge that this woman didn't have but the other form of occult knowledge is 0.95

01:21:24.380 they can know what's going on in the other room because as i mentioned it's all being infused in

01:21:27.760 them as it happens as it occurs because that's how they're designed to know things that's how

01:21:32.240 god made them to know things he just infuses them as it happens so they'll actually know like what

01:21:36.860 you ate for breakfast this morning, or they'll know things about your past history, one of the

01:21:41.500 things that you'll see from time to time is that they actually know your sinful history. And so

01:21:45.400 if you go into a session, and because, you know, we see this from time to time, if one of our

01:21:52.080 assistants has, you know, that there's some sin that they haven't confessed, you know, then what

01:21:58.960 happens is, is the demon knows that. Because as far as the demon is concerned, is if you don't

01:22:05.200 confess your sins, then basically their attitude is, well, then I still have power over you

01:22:09.600 because you're still under me.

01:22:11.040 It's once you confess your sins, then it's absolved and then boom.

01:22:14.340 And so as a result of that, they know that.

01:22:16.240 And so you'll start the session and all the demons will point out, hey, this guy over

01:22:19.520 here, he did X, Y, Z this morning.

01:22:21.260 And this person didn't even see that guy until the session started.

01:22:24.640 So they'll have occult knowledge on those particular kinds of things.

01:22:28.320 And so those are kind of the indicators that like, okay, I'm not dealing with somebody

01:22:31.880 who's that this isn't this isn't a psychological issue isn't

01:22:35.600 natural. Now, one of the things that people often ask is,

01:22:38.060 well, what about levitation? Is that a praeternatural sign?

01:22:41.000 Yes, and no. Because there has been it's there has been cases

01:22:47.780 of like there was a there was a saint in the Catholic Church

01:22:52.580 who would actually levitate when he said mass. Right? And so

01:22:57.800 and he was a very saintly man, even did exorcisms over

01:23:00.200 I think maybe the guy's possessed and nothing, you know?

01:23:02.100 So, um, well, the Pharisees accused Jesus of being possessed.

01:23:05.840 Yes, that's right.

01:23:07.340 That's right.

01:23:08.260 And then, uh, but then you can also have levitation occur in an infested building, which is not

01:23:14.440 too common.

01:23:14.900 So people will be in bed and all of a sudden they feel themselves getting dragged out or

01:23:19.200 pulled up or lifted up off their bed and that type of thing.

01:23:21.820 People have seen that.

01:23:22.580 That's very rare, but you, but you, as exorcists, we, we hear about that from time to time.

01:23:27.920 And so that doesn't necessarily mean the person's possessed.

01:23:30.200 plus all the people that are possessed not everybody levitates when they're possessed

01:23:34.800 some do some don't and so levitation is just not that common but you see it from time to time

01:23:40.240 and so it it's not a necessary sign that the person's possessed but if you see a bunch of

01:23:46.340 secondary signs you know around the person and you're dealing with them uh and then you're or

01:23:52.300 you start praying over them and then the demon more for change of shape and levitates well then

01:23:55.580 then you know, okay, that's something that's preternatural.

01:24:00.260 There's this scene in the Gospels in Mark

01:24:03.760 where a man brings his demon-possessed boy

01:24:07.340 who's hurting himself, throwing himself into fires,

01:24:09.460 having seizures, and the apostles are unable

01:24:13.540 to exercise the demon.

01:24:15.200 And Jesus walks up and kind of scolds them

01:24:17.700 and then does so, and they say,

01:24:19.300 why were you able to do it and we weren't?

01:24:20.460 And he says, because this kind of demon

01:24:22.400 can only be exercised through prayer and fasting.

01:24:25.320 fasting. What does that mean? Well, it means that how you get a demon out of somebody varies. So

01:24:33.340 Christ said, by my name you'll cast out demons. What he did not say is, by my name you'll cast

01:24:37.940 out all demons. And the way we know that is precisely this scene in the Gospels, where

01:24:42.540 they were using his name, but it wasn't having the effect, and so they actually have to do

01:24:47.300 prayer and fasting. And basically what that means is the prayer is to petition God enough,

01:24:53.820 intercessory prayer, praying to him, asking him to do enough prayer so that the person will actually

01:24:59.180 be liberated. This is one of the reasons why we actually have people praying, like the assistants

01:25:03.920 during the sessions and outside of sessions, we have people that will do, spend hours praying for

01:25:09.920 the person's liberation so that we get that done. The other part is through fasting. Now the fasting

01:25:15.180 goes back to St. Paul, where St. Paul says, bring your body under subjection, right? So you have to

01:25:21.320 fast in order to get your lower faculties under control to some degree. And by doing that,

01:25:27.660 it's a meritorious work, which God will actually, and you can offer that so that this person will

01:25:31.760 actually become liberated in the process. The other reason as an exorcist, so I fast six days

01:25:38.060 a week when I'm in session. And the reason for that... What does that mean? It means having one

01:25:43.680 moderate meal in the evening. That's it, each day. So I have nothing for breakfast, nothing for

01:25:49.560 lunch, and then I have a moderate meal at night. And I do that for six days. And part of that is

01:25:54.520 just to, because when we become, when we get our body under subjection, two things occur. One,

01:26:05.520 demons don't want to get involved with you. Because if they attack you and try and suggest

01:26:09.580 something to you that's contrary to that subjection, you're going to reject it outright.

01:26:13.080 So they're going to get defeated very easily. And you're going to be, and by that, you're also

01:26:16.760 developing virtues you're empowered to be able to kick them out much more easily when we're weak

01:26:20.960 they can take advantage of us but the other part about it is is that um and you've probably noticed

01:26:26.080 this even with yourself as you start to grow in virtue and you start saying i got to get this

01:26:29.300 part of my life straightened out you become much more sensitive in that area that you've cleaned up

01:26:34.020 so for example people who stop using profanity all of a sudden in vulgarities all of a sudden

01:26:40.480 when they hear it it jars them right well it's the same thing in relationship to demons so as you

01:26:44.600 fast, if the demons attack you, you're much more sensitive to it. And so that disorder,

01:26:52.120 because you've got it under your body's now rightly ordered. And so as a result, you quickly

01:26:55.800 detect them and then so they don't want to attack you. So in addition to they don't want to attack

01:27:01.800 you, but also you have a certain amount of protection, but also you can offer that fasting

01:27:05.600 up so that this person is actually liberated. The people that are possessed sometimes will also

01:27:10.160 need to fast given the nature, sometimes the nature of the demon that they're dealing with.

01:27:14.120 They need to fast in order to break the possession.

01:27:18.160 You said you've, I think you said you've cast out Satan himself twice?

01:27:25.000 No, Satan once.

01:27:26.940 So Satan, Lucifer, and Beelzebub were the same guy.

01:27:29.440 Yeah.

01:27:30.120 And so, which Christ himself even said it, right?

01:27:33.120 Because the Jews accuse him of casting out Satan by the power of Beelzebub, right? 0.99

01:27:40.020 And he says, how can a house divide it?

01:27:41.420 Yeah, he's casting out Satan.

01:27:43.120 They say, yeah, how can Satan cast out Satan?

01:27:45.560 So he turns it and says, or no, sorry, excuse me.

01:27:48.400 Casting out by the power of Beelzebub, right? 0.89

01:27:50.820 And then he says, well, how can Satan cast out Satan?

01:27:52.740 So the fathers, the patristic commentators on that scripture said that that's an indicator that Satan and Beelzebub are the same guy.

01:28:00.200 And then Lucifer was his original assigned name because Lucifer comes from lucifer, which means to bear light.

01:28:06.580 He was supposed to enlighten our minds, and that was his originally assigned task, and he refused to do so.

01:28:11.160 but then after that so i actually had a case which um uh at a certain point during one of

01:28:18.840 the sessions demons will be compelled to say things that you're not even asking them god

01:28:22.860 tells him hey you got to tell this guy x y and z and that's to keep the case moving along

01:28:27.600 and out of the blue he just the demon just blurts out it was biel's but blads out i'm the mockery

01:28:35.140 of the holy spirit and then he checks out i can't get him back to the surface he just wouldn't

01:28:39.260 regardless of what prayers I did. So I'm thinking to myself, well, I know Beelzebub and Satan are

01:28:44.920 the same guy. So I started asking, you know, started praying, getting some, you know, give me

01:28:50.080 the grace to see what am I seeing here, right? And we also know that Lucifer, he was originally

01:28:54.620 Lucifer. And then it dawns on me. So as an exorcist, we deal with cases of dissociative

01:29:01.440 identity disorder, which is multiple personality. It looks like possession, but it's actually not

01:29:05.260 possession okay and so it dawned on me this guy's it was a trifurcated personality so during the

01:29:13.420 next session i referred to beelzebub as the third personality of satan and he just lit up like how

01:29:21.720 did you ever figure that out right well it was a grace obviously so then i basically beat out of

01:29:27.540 him so beelzebub is the inversion of the holy spirit lucifer is the inversion of the second

01:29:33.700 person of the Trinity, because Christ is light from light, right, which we read in St. John's

01:29:37.820 Gospel. And then Satan is the father of lies, who's the inversion of God the Father. So you

01:29:44.160 basically have this unholy trinity. So then I commanded him to tell me, was this trifurcation

01:29:50.680 of your personality the punishment for wanting to be God? And after a little bit of beating,

01:29:56.440 he said, yes. And then he basically admitted he suffers the same thing that people who suffer

01:30:01.220 from dissociative identity disorder, he's in constant pain as a result of this trifurcation.

01:30:08.760 And this actually, so I thought to myself, well, you know, somebody had had to have talked

01:30:11.820 about this historically.

01:30:12.840 I can't be the first guy to kind of stumble across this.

01:30:16.020 Well, lo and behold, there was a case in France in the 1600s where this exact same thing played

01:30:22.460 itself out, and they talked about this.

01:30:24.480 And then the fathers talked about it in bits and pieces.

01:30:27.440 So that's actually, we know, that his personality, he was punished with his trifurcation, his personality.

01:30:32.720 And that would explain why exorcists would experience Beelzebub, Lucifer, and Satan in very different ways.

01:30:39.260 What about this guy invited Satan rather than one of the lesser demons?

01:30:45.700 Well, this, it wasn't actually a guy.

01:30:47.480 It was actually a woman who became possessed by Satan because she was the victim of Satanic ritual abuse.

01:30:53.060 Yeah.

01:30:53.540 Yeah. And so literally right off the bat in her life.

01:30:58.840 So she... 0.98

01:31:00.280 How common is that?

01:31:03.160 When I first started doing exorcism work, most of the cases that we would see of that

01:31:08.360 were from satanic ritual abuse in the 80s, which is when it really picked up steam.

01:31:12.880 And then it kind of went on a bit, it kind of plateaued out a little bit.

01:31:16.280 But now we're starting to see a lot of the cases from stuff that's been happening in the last 15 to 20 years.

01:31:21.620 so um the uh probably if you're talking about cases of possession or the cases that well let's

01:31:29.660 just talk about the cases that come to us that have satanic ritual abuse it's not that many

01:31:34.160 but it's enough that it it takes up a significant amount of our time to clean these people up as a

01:31:38.840 result of it um the uh and not it happened to that woman she was liberated finally and how did her 0.82

01:31:47.520 life turn out do you think um she's she's i think she's i think she's a very holy woman i think she's

01:31:54.540 a very good woman and um uh the uh she still has to deal with some diabolical oppression but i think 1.00

01:32:02.180 that she's she and her husband have really come up to speed in their spiritual lives so they're

01:32:06.500 doing i think they're doing better than i think they think they're doing but i think she's she's

01:32:10.720 doing fine. How long does it typically take to save a person from possession? It depends on the

01:32:19.540 degree of the possession because possession is by degree. That is how deep the possession actually

01:32:24.760 is. If you have something like satanic ritual abuse, it's going to take a while. If it's

01:32:29.820 generally speaking, whereas sometimes I've actually had cases of possession where things

01:32:34.640 have happened bad, like this one woman had, she was molested when she was younger, but she was 0.99

01:32:40.080 never complicit. She didn't want it. And she always tried to lead a good Christian life,

01:32:43.320 et cetera. So three sessions, boom, she was cleaned up. There's cases of children that

01:32:50.980 are possessed. Those go much more rapidly. There's usually just a few sessions. But if

01:32:55.880 you're talking about an adult, usually the average case, and this is something which

01:33:01.100 even the exorcists in Rome have made this observation as well, the average timetable

01:33:06.060 is four to eight years years years can you exercise a demon from a person against that

01:33:13.180 person's will no because if the person gives if the person actually wants the demon to be there

01:33:21.180 god respects their free will and that empowers the demon to remain so you can't get anywhere

01:33:26.680 what are those persons lives like uh they're miserable yeah they're living in hell yeah

01:33:35.520 There was one, I actually had one case where the exorcist that trained me said, hey, there's this one woman I can't get to her. 1.00

01:33:43.640 Would you take a look at her?

01:33:44.500 And I said, yeah, I'll take a look at her.

01:33:45.560 So I went in and normally speaking, I would say a series of prayers to keep myself protected when I went in and then clean, you know, and protect it on the way out.

01:33:55.200 But I totally forgot to do this.

01:33:57.020 And so I went in, I started talking to her and she was possessed all right.

01:33:59.800 She was showing signs of preternatural knowledge.

01:34:01.560 knowledge i mean she there's the types of knowledge she had it's like wow that's pretty

01:34:04.940 but she liked it she didn't want it so i told her well look i can't i can't really help you

01:34:10.560 in relationship to this and so uh you know if you want to be if you want to cut bait with these guys

01:34:16.500 i'm willing to help you but until then i can't help you so i left came down with the worst case

01:34:20.780 of gout i've ever had gout gout i just like you got a medieval illness perfect yeah exactly so

01:34:28.440 So, and everything I did, I even took those tablets that are supposed to help you clean

01:34:32.620 out the urea gas, and nothing, didn't touch it.

01:34:35.020 It's the most painful I've had.

01:34:37.540 It's shocking.

01:34:38.220 Yeah.

01:34:39.020 So, it dawned on me, a week later, you'd think I would have clued in being an exorcist.

01:34:43.980 I wonder if that woman cursed me. 1.00

01:34:46.100 So, I said a prayer to break the curse, and within an hour, it all cleared up.

01:34:51.780 Really?

01:34:52.140 So, I called the priest that had sent her to me, and usually, he'll pick up the phone.

01:34:57.880 Well, he didn't pick up the phone.

01:34:58.880 Two weeks later, he calls back.

01:34:59.720 He says, hey, you know, I would have called you, but I got the worst case of gout I've ever had.

01:35:05.860 And I said, dude, you've been cursed.

01:35:08.200 And I said, let me guess, right toe, big foot, or big toe in the right foot?

01:35:12.180 Yeah, yeah, how'd you know?

01:35:12.940 I said, well, you've been cursed.

01:35:14.380 So he said the prayers, boom, it lifts up.

01:35:16.920 A year later, another priest says, well, I think she's had a change of heart.

01:35:22.540 I said, okay, well, this time I went in and I said some prayers, kept my last St. Michael to protect me.

01:35:26.800 Did she apologize for cursing you?

01:35:28.780 No.

01:35:29.660 So what happens is I said some prayers to keep myself protected,

01:35:34.800 but I also said a prayer, which another exorcist taught me,

01:35:36.980 which is extraordinarily effective, which is,

01:35:41.380 Jesus, if she tries to curse me, I ask you, or if I've been cursed,

01:35:45.440 I ask you to send the curse back from whence it came.

01:35:48.800 But if that's not your holy will, in either case, keep me protected.

01:35:52.120 Now, there's a reason for that is because if the person,

01:35:54.460 And this is why high-level witches will not get involved in cursing people as a general rule 1.00

01:36:00.200 because they know they can become subject to the very curse that they put on people.

01:36:04.900 So I went in, talked to her.

01:36:08.920 Oh, no, she still liked the occult knowledge.

01:36:11.040 She really liked knowing what her husband was up to, that kind of thing,

01:36:14.100 even though he was not even around her.

01:36:16.720 So I just gave her the same story.

01:36:18.420 So she was getting knowledge that a normal person wouldn't have.

01:36:22.940 That's right.

01:36:23.240 She knew what her, the demons would tell her, this is what your husband's doing, etc.

01:36:27.300 And it was accurate, right?

01:36:28.560 And that's how you know it's true, it's actually accurate.

01:36:31.980 Well, so I left, and then about a week later, I called the priest that had, you know, said, I think she's had a changed heart.

01:36:36.640 I said, well, you know, how's she doing?

01:36:38.020 She said, right after you left, she ended up in the hospital, and she's still there.

01:36:43.280 Yeah, so the, this is, you know, the cursing is one of those things that the, you know, people can become subjects to it.

01:36:53.240 The main thing they have to do is make sure that they're leading an authentic Christian life and not doing anything sinful that would open the door for the demons so they become subject to the curse.

01:37:01.700 Have you ever seen a phenomenon where someone is acted on by God, clearly inspired by the Holy Spirit, has a closer connection to God than normal, and then shortly after is attacked hard by demons?

01:37:14.280 Yes.

01:37:14.980 Yes.

01:37:15.960 That's a common reaction?

01:37:17.120 Yeah, that's...

01:37:18.180 Yes.

01:37:18.620 uh okay so the way demons tend to function is they tend to like to go after easy prey

01:37:24.740 but because and this is something that i've learned about them because christ has perfect

01:37:31.040 course of power of them which we saw in the casting out of the legion right and they and

01:37:35.560 and they can't do anything without his permission and but he but that also means that he they are

01:37:40.280 subject to him and that means that they are his instruments and so he can use the demons to as an

01:37:48.180 instrument of our sanctification and purification. So we overcome particular difficulties. And so a

01:37:53.520 lot of times God will allow the person who's leading a really good Christian life to come 0.91

01:37:59.580 under attack in order to draw them even closer to him than they actually are, or to purify them,

01:38:06.200 or to make them more holy, or help them to overcome a particular defect, because the demon's

01:38:09.760 using that against them. And so from time to time, you'll actually see that. And so

01:38:14.080 the demons are there he uses them and he tells them we call it conscription hey you got to go

01:38:19.120 deal with this and they'll admit it i didn't want to be here but here i am really yeah

01:38:25.180 huh so the experience is designed to instruct the person who's being afflicted by that's right

01:38:35.980 to instruct them to gain knowledge about okay this is how this works but also to um to uh

01:38:43.080 to basically help them to grow even greater in virtue.

01:38:47.120 I mean, if the demons are kind of like tempting you towards,

01:38:49.500 let's just say lust, or tempting you towards lust,

01:38:51.760 and you combat that, the degree of your virtue when you come out of it

01:38:55.080 is going to be stronger than if it's just natural human temptation.

01:38:57.100 That's correct.

01:38:57.820 Yeah.

01:38:58.140 And so that's a lot of times why God will allow it

01:39:00.340 so that the person becomes even wholer, even more virtuous

01:39:02.680 than they would outside that context.

01:39:04.820 The demons absolutely hate it.

01:39:06.820 Especially when you see in these cases of possession,

01:39:09.380 like as I mentioned, some of these women will become extremely holy, 1.00

01:39:12.380 And I'll just mention to the demon, you know, you're becoming this person's instrument of sanctification.

01:39:16.600 They'll admit it's true and they hate it.

01:39:21.440 What are steps that people can take to avoid being influenced by demons or possessed by them?

01:39:27.340 Well, the main thing to do is stop sinning, right?

01:39:30.520 Especially the more serious stuff.

01:39:32.700 Like, you know, stop fornicating, stop doing all this stuff, looking at pornography, because pornography is where we're seeing the real uptick in obsession and stuff.

01:39:39.340 Really?

01:39:39.960 You see this?

01:39:41.040 Yeah, so the number of people becoming diabolically obsessed through pornography and even possessed, we've seen a drastic uptick in that.

01:39:50.360 Really?

01:39:50.860 Yeah.

01:39:51.800 You know, when I was first a priest, people come to confession to a priest.

01:39:55.220 So when I was first a priest, the guys that would confess pornography, you didn't hear that too often because you had to go buy it.

01:40:01.200 And there was a shame involved.

01:40:02.320 well now that it became ubiquitous on the internet you can do it in the privacy of your home

01:40:08.160 the number of men that are confessing is almost you know it's pretty high up there

01:40:12.960 um and so what we're seeing is is that um but also the fact that a lot of the pornography is cursed

01:40:19.580 to increase its addictive effect that was one of the things that the satanists taught the people

01:40:23.780 in the porn industry curse the master copy and then from that the copies that are made will

01:40:28.240 influence the people and so they they do that and then people become so you believe the porn

01:40:33.880 industry is controlled by satanists um i don't know if it's controlled by it my impression is

01:40:39.920 these are just bad dudes for the most part i think that they're influenced by them

01:40:44.980 it doesn't mean that there aren't satanists that are involved in the porn industry i suspect there

01:40:49.300 probably are but i just think that it's uh they're the ones who taught them this is what you do and

01:40:54.280 this will boost the addictive effect of it and so there's uh one exorcist it wasn't uh wasn't me but

01:41:01.060 there was another exorcist that i know of who's a good friend of mine he had a case where the

01:41:04.520 the guy became possessed and um finally there's a certain stage where the demon gets weak enough

01:41:10.500 you can compel him how did you get in and he said pornography i believe that and so then

01:41:15.820 the after the session he asked the guy what's the you know what happened and he said he said

01:41:22.180 yeah, it was, I think he said, I would believe it's pornography. He said, I watched this one

01:41:25.460 pornography that had this one woman on it. And then after that, something snapped or changed.

01:41:31.620 And from that point on, I had to see every piece of pornography she ever made. I was just driven 0.98

01:41:37.080 obsessively to find her. So this is the, so that's one of the ways that they get in. So to answer

01:41:43.840 your question, there's a few things. One is prayer and fasting. You pray, you should be praying

01:41:48.660 regularly anyway as a Christian, you should be praying. And if you're praying regularly,

01:41:51.900 you can pray for your own protection. That's actually one of the reasons I gave you the book

01:41:55.420 Deliverance Prayers for the Lady, which is right there. But that book actually contains a number

01:42:00.340 of prayers that are drafted. You don't have to use those, you can use your own, but this gives

01:42:03.600 you kind of an outline or a structure to say, okay, this is how this works. So consistent prayer

01:42:09.420 life, a disciplined prayer life, you have to be very disciplined. The second part of it is fasting,

01:42:15.480 which is also true, stop the sinning. The one thing that we have found, this is something that

01:42:22.060 one of my lay assistants, this was about three years ago, we started noticing a very

01:42:25.820 pattern, because this is what we watch for patterns, because demons act in a very consistent

01:42:30.780 way. And what we started noticing is the people that the demons attack, whether that's attacking

01:42:36.940 their externals through oppression or through obsession, and even in temptation in some cases,

01:42:41.940 are people that there's some area of their interior life that is undisciplined.

01:42:47.520 You know, they eat too much.

01:42:48.880 Or they're not, you know, when it comes to chocolate, they're a little too indulgent,

01:42:52.720 you know, instead of just trying to moderate those things.

01:42:54.840 Not that those things are bad.

01:42:55.940 It's got to the contrary.

01:42:56.680 They're good.

01:42:57.200 But they have to be moderated.

01:42:58.780 Or the person just doesn't moderate, like, their irritation or anger in certain circumstances,

01:43:03.060 things like that.

01:43:03.740 So there's some area of their life that's undisciplined.

01:43:07.240 Sometimes it's just they're not praying.

01:43:09.960 You should be praying on a consistent basis every single day.

01:43:13.020 I mean, if you really love God, if you really love him,

01:43:16.360 you're going to want to be with him, and that occurs through prayer.

01:43:19.040 A lot of people just don't do that.

01:43:20.340 Also, if you understand the world well enough to be terrified by it,

01:43:24.240 comma, which you should be, comma, then you will seek safety in prayer.

01:43:28.620 That's exactly it, yeah.

01:43:30.100 And also the prayer, because you're lifting your mind and heart to God,

01:43:32.920 which is one of the definitions of prayer, is lifting your mind and heart to God.

01:43:35.900 It gets that right order in your own mind, and so it gives you clarity

01:43:38.960 so that when you see the insanity in the world,

01:43:42.360 you can still navigate it and it doesn't affect you as much.

01:43:45.040 But it's that undisciplined somewhere in their spiritual life

01:43:48.060 that is, if people are getting attacked,

01:43:50.540 you have to start figuring out, okay, where are you undisciplined?

01:43:52.820 This is what you need to do.

01:43:53.740 Get that cleaned up and it'll stop.

01:43:56.600 Man, that is, I think whether you believe in God or not,

01:44:02.600 you can see that that's true.

01:44:03.760 Yeah. Are you hopeful for the country since you seem to pay attention to the whole country, not just?

01:44:16.240 Yes and no. If you by hopeful, you mean in the sense that human beings are going to correct this, you know, right this ship.

01:44:25.420 I think it's beyond human correction at this stage.

01:44:28.620 It's so bad, especially when you look at the corruption

01:44:31.240 and the higher levels of government and that type of thing. 0.80

01:44:35.760 But I am also hopeful that Christ, you know,

01:44:39.540 if you look at the history of how God deals with human beings, 0.69

01:44:41.820 he'll let us be evil only for so long, and then he gives us a spanking.

01:44:45.260 So I think that Christ is going to correct it probably fairly soon.

01:44:51.240 I mean, who knows when that is.

01:44:52.460 But I think we're getting to the point where we're, you know,

01:44:54.980 especially in a post-Christian era, we're almost as bad as Sodom and Gomorrah. 0.97

01:44:58.080 I mean, I tell people, look, at Sodom and Gomorrah,

01:44:59.760 at least they weren't trying to marry each other, you know?

01:45:01.900 No, it's true.

01:45:02.500 Yeah, and so I think that we've gotten to the point where

01:45:06.320 that God is going to punish us,

01:45:10.900 but in a way that a good father corrects his son when he's doing bad things, right?

01:45:15.100 Do you think that the first thing that jumps to mind is through war and nuclear weapons?

01:45:20.900 And I wonder about the role of technology in all of this.

01:45:23.980 So you said when you started, the people with porn problems bought the porn, and that's a small number.

01:45:29.520 But thanks to technology, it's abetted universal porn use.

01:45:33.540 Yes, yeah.

01:45:35.000 You look at something like AI or nuclear weapons specifically, hard not to think that that was demonically inspired.

01:45:44.620 Well, obviously, these are natural things which we could discover on our own, whether the demons actually inspired people to start pursuing this.

01:45:51.360 i think the real problem is the use of them right that's where the real problem is so ai i mean i

01:45:58.960 use ai to do research yeah and um the although you have to be careful you have to even vet that

01:46:04.680 because a lot of it's based on the language models of course it's based on what's out there

01:46:07.460 generally so a lot of times there's garbage but a lot of times it puts you in the ballparks you

01:46:11.400 can quickly find stuff which is very helpful so it's a very powerful and useful tool it's a good

01:46:15.760 thing but we've already seen people using it for evil and um and this is one of the reasons why i

01:46:21.920 think that um as time goes on um it's going to be even become more and more evil the types of evil

01:46:28.420 we're going to see coming from these things are going to be pretty significant i think well i mean

01:46:32.640 sam altman's already announced that open ai will allow anyone to create their own porn yeah that's

01:46:38.620 it yeah so but you but the cycle that you're describing is society falls into decadence and

01:46:44.900 evil. Yeah. And then it's corrected through punishment. That's right. And you think we're

01:46:50.060 getting pretty close to the punishment stage of the cycle. If God is consistent, which he tends

01:46:53.520 to be. Yeah. And that's not a terrible thing. No, it's going to be painful. It's like the kid,

01:46:59.980 you know, when he gets spanked, it's painful. But then he realizes, okay, this is not good.

01:47:04.760 I'm not going to do this anymore. And so we, God wants us to be able to see the effect of the evil.

01:47:11.140 There's a certain sense that that's already happening, right, in the sense that the more evil we become, the more difficult and afflicted living in this culture is becoming.

01:47:21.620 Yes.

01:47:22.500 So we're already paying the price for our sin to some degree, but we're still on a course where we're not correcting ourselves.

01:47:29.600 I think some people are.

01:47:31.260 Some people are like, this is just evil.

01:47:32.820 I've got to get my act together, right?

01:47:34.360 But that's not the whole of the culture.

01:47:36.640 But at a certain point, God's, I think, going to have to correct it himself.

01:47:41.140 I think that all the time, you know, for every aborted child, there's, you know, another homeless fentanyl addict or something.

01:47:48.480 I mean, it's all seems like, so last question, which is about drugs and alcohol and the role that demonic influence plays in addiction.

01:47:56.680 So addiction is actually threefold.

01:47:58.500 The first is there's actually a brain mechanism that causes addiction.

01:48:01.960 And then there's the set of habits that revolve around that.

01:48:04.860 And those are also kind of a natural thing that people can actually develop.

01:48:08.460 But then there can be layered on top of that.

01:48:10.620 the demons can actually drive the addiction. So they can, through ordinary temptation, you know,

01:48:15.760 just say, hey, there's the alcohol again. Let's go drink. Let's go do this. Remember all this fun

01:48:19.660 that you actually had when you did this. And so they can actually drive that. The demons also

01:48:23.540 have the ability to block a remembrance of things, to remember things. And so part of the virtue of

01:48:30.340 prudence is the virtue of memory, remembering the right things at the right time. So, you know,

01:48:35.560 like, you know, last time I drank, I paid the price the next day. Well, they can make you focus

01:48:39.700 on the good thing you got out of this and forget all the pain you went through, right? So they can

01:48:44.360 do that. The other thing is, too, is that demons can also, they can, because they can act upon us

01:48:50.580 physically, that is in our brain and that type of thing, they can actually cause a mimicking of

01:48:55.220 addictive experiences. So there was a woman that I actually knew that she would come to me and 0.76

01:49:02.340 And she didn't have the history or the habit building of an alcoholic, but she had the

01:49:10.240 tendencies for it.

01:49:11.340 And she would try from time to time, she would struggle in that area.

01:49:15.620 So what I did is I started praying over her for any demon of obsession relationship with

01:49:20.340 addiction.

01:49:20.620 And she said, every time I would pray over her, she would go about a week without any

01:49:26.280 addictive feelings whatsoever.

01:49:28.340 Now, I'm not suggesting that everything that's addictive is diabolic.

01:49:31.240 Like it's quite the contrary.

01:49:32.700 Usually people get involved in the addictions and then the demons get involved in that.

01:49:35.760 Yes.

01:49:36.300 So, but, uh, but they can also drive those things in relationship to certain people.

01:49:41.660 Um, we also see this in relationship to people who are possessed.

01:49:45.160 So I, and it's a very common that sugar is a big addiction that demons drive in people

01:49:49.540 who are possessed.

01:49:50.900 Um, you know, really?

01:49:52.560 Yeah.

01:49:52.840 Where they just, they can't stay away from the sugar.

01:49:54.980 I had to, I had one case, this was kind of interesting.

01:49:57.540 I had gotten to the point this woman that was that was undergoing exorcism for possession was a very virtuous woman like why you know why am I not getting this guy out right and so at a certain point during one of the sessions I commanded Tom and she was possessed yeah she was possessed I said I said at a certain point I said I said to the demon I commanded the demon to tell me what is it you have on her right and he just looked at me and he said pop meaning soda yeah so he checked

01:50:27.540 out, I asked her, I said, do you have a problem with soda? And she said, I cannot go a day without

01:50:34.120 rewarding myself with it. She says, I just can't do it. And then once the possessions broke, boom,

01:50:39.900 they don't even have the inclination towards it. So they can drive those kinds of things. And again,

01:50:45.120 I'm not suggesting that everybody who has these addictions, because these things are just

01:50:47.780 addictive by nature, and people develop their own. But in possession cases...

01:50:52.540 But sugar addiction, wow.

01:50:54.020 Sugar addiction.

01:50:55.200 I'm not surprised even a little bit.

01:50:57.480 I'm just surprised you said that out loud.

01:50:59.400 That's like, because it's so clearly true.

01:51:01.560 Yeah.

01:51:02.020 Why do you think it's true?

01:51:04.060 Because I've just seen it and felt it,

01:51:05.960 and I just know that there's some kind of connection

01:51:08.200 because it causes compulsion.

01:51:10.180 Yes.

01:51:10.860 Exactly.

01:51:11.320 And compulsion's always a sign to me as a total layman.

01:51:14.520 But like, compulsion?

01:51:15.600 Really?

01:51:15.860 What's that?

01:51:16.720 The compulsion to harm yourself?

01:51:18.800 There's no evolutionary theory that can account for that, right?

01:51:22.760 Right.

01:51:23.200 Yeah, exactly.

01:51:24.340 Yeah.

01:51:24.760 Yeah, and a lot of times they'll look just to see what our dispositions, like I said before, our dispositions are, and they'll drive those areas, those addictions, whether it's to a particular kind of food or whether it's a particular kind of thing.

01:51:35.040 Although, with men eating a lot of meat, I get that.

01:51:38.060 But when it comes to the actual, but other things that are very addictive, like sugars, alcohol, things like that.

01:51:43.440 Meat does not cause compulsion.

01:51:45.080 It can't.

01:51:46.100 You can't eat two pounds of beef.

01:51:47.960 You can eat two pounds of chocolate, though.

01:51:49.480 Yeah, you can.

01:51:50.340 That's true.

01:51:50.880 And then wait an hour and eat another two pounds.

01:51:52.480 You can't do that with steak.

01:51:53.980 No, you can't.

01:51:55.280 That's true.

01:51:56.280 Although they do know that chocolate actually gives – it reduces endorphins when you –

01:52:05.100 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:05.660 And it's even more effective in women, apparently, from what I've read from the brain studies.

01:52:09.800 But with men, they say, you just show him a picture of meat and his brain lights up.

01:52:15.020 Which is why I tell people, look, if a guy doesn't like meat, there's something wrong.

01:52:19.720 Yeah, I think that's totally fair.

01:52:21.440 Father, that was amazing.

01:52:22.580 and I appreciate

01:52:23.320 your doing it

01:52:23.860 thank you for having me

01:52:24.740 thank you

01:52:25.080 very much

The Tucker Carlson Show - April 03, 2026

Exorcist Fr. Chad Ripperger： Possessed Politicians, Occult Activity, and Speaking to Satan Himself

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