FULL SPEECH： Tucker on the America First Movement & New “Deplatforming” Agenda of Some on the Right
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Comedian Eric Eddings is joined by writer/comedian Erica Eichenauer ( ) to discuss the death of comedian Charlie Kirk and why he should have been allowed to debate other people's ideas and views.
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I just got here and I feel like I missed the first part of the program.
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That kind of bitter sardonic laugh that emerges from you when, like, upside down world arrives.
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When your dog starts doing your taxes and you're like, wait, it's not supposed to work this way.
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To hear calls for, like, deplatforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event, I'm like, what?
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Actually, one of the clips I was listening to myself, thinking as I often do when I hear myself speak, which is never, because I never watch myself.
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But at these events, they always play, like, the role of you.
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But the prediction that, you know, at some point when Republicans took power again, which I did everything I could, you know, to help, and really felt that was important.
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But I really thought that the impulse to deplatform people, or even to use the word platform as a verb, which it's not, it's a noun, don't steal my nouns, deplatform and denounce, why haven't you denounced somebody else?
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The whole, like, Red Guard cultural revolution thing that we so hated and feared on the left that we did everything we could to usher in a new time where you could have an actual debate.
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I mean, this kind of was the whole point of Charlie Kirk's public life.
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And I think that, um, I think that he died for it.
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And I know a lot about it because the last several months of Charlie's life were devoted in part to arguing about this event, in fact, this speech, in fact, my speech here, which he asked me to do earlier this year, this summer,
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and was immediately put under just immense pressure from people who give money to turning point, I would assume good people, but who wanted him to take me off the roster.
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And this has all become public, and I, the whole thing is so sad that I never talk about it, except to say, Charlie stood firm in his often stated and deeply held belief that people should be able to debate.
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And that if you have something valid to say, if you're telling the truth, you ought to be able to explain it calmly and in detail to people who don't agree with you, and that you shouldn't immediately resort to shut up racist.
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By the way, shut up racist is the number one reason I voted for Donald Trump.
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I mean, first of all, if I was a racist, if I was a bigot, I would just say so.
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You're allowed to be whatever kind of person you want.
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I'm sincerely opposed, have always been, and will always be.
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But the style of debate where you prevent the other side from talking or being heard because you immediately go to motive.
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Well, I wonder why you're asking that question.
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I detect in the question a certain evil in your soul.
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And everyone listening should know that listening to you implicates them.
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And that they someday may be asked to denounce you.
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And that friendship is not a reason to defend someone.
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If someone doesn't like what I think, fine with me.
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But since we're on the topic, I think I should take the opportunity to explain why Charlie was under all this pressure.
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And I think Erica, who I just saw backstage, and whom I love, and who I can tell you is totally committed to continuing the core principle of Charlie's public life,
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which is the right of every person to express what he believes, that is rooted in Christian faith.
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We believe people should be able to say what they think because they have souls.
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You cannot tell another human being to shut up, even shut up racist, because you don't own him.
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He is an independent, autonomous person created by God as an individual.
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This is the only country in the world that protects it because our founding documents were informed, as you just heard so nicely expressed by Michael Knowles, my friend,
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by people who self-consciously incorporated Christian precepts into their structure of government.
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But the people around him were like, you can't because it's not that Carlson's wrong.
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My only point was I don't want a land war with Iran.
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I got over my skis and said I didn't want another regime change war with Iran.
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Rather than explain why we should have a regime change war with Iran, which I'd be happy to listen to, he's an anti-Semite.
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Not only am I not an anti-Semite, and would say so if I was, I'm not an anti-Semite for a very specific reason.
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Not because it's unpopular or my donors don't like it.
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I'm not an anti-Semite because anti-Semitism is immoral.
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In my religion, it is immoral to hate people for how they were born.
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It applies to every human being on planet Earth.
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You may not, you are prohibited by my religion, which is Christianity, from hating people for how they were born.
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Because God created them with his spark in his image.
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You may even find yourself, and I do, I'll confess it, hating them for a moment.
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You can't punish people for crimes they didn't commit.
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That's why we have what are called human rights.
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Not just your group, not just my group, but every group, every human.
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Because we don't consider people in terms of the groups to which they belong.
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We consider them as individuals the way that God created them.
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So, anti-Semitism is not just naughty, it's immoral.
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And it is precisely as immoral as hating any other group.
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And that would include other groups in the United States that are hated and have been under attack for decades.
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And just because you have a beef with a white man, let's just say Donald Trump,
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doesn't mean you get to punish all the rest of the white men in the country.
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And yet, our leaders, not just of our Congress, the executive branch under Biden,
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but of every major U.S. corporation, of every college in the country,
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every single one for more than 10 years has engaged in a systematic effort
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That is racism that is precisely as bad as anti-Semitism,
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but it is much more widespread and has been, so far, much more damaging.
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And my point is, if you said nothing about that,
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or if you encouraged it by, say, cheering on BLM,
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which was an anti-white hate group and said so,
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then you have no moral standing to lecture me about bias.
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You are not allowed to hate people based on their bloodline.
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Every person has the possibility of transformation.
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Saul of Tarsus is wandering around murdering Christians.
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And he's met on the road by Jesus, who changes him.
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And in one day, he becomes the most energetic church planter and apostle of Christianity.
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And that possibility exists for every human being.
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And I would extend this to even people who attack me from this stage.
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They'll say, if we agree on something, I'm happy to be friends with you.
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There is always the possibility that we can recognize we have more in common than divides us.
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And collective punishment in this country, in the Middle East, anywhere on the planet, is totally immoral.
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So I guess I would just say to the many organizations now, and particularly this applies to the Anti-Defamation League,
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which has cheered on anti-white hatred for decades, has attacked anyone who said anything about it,
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which has been one of the most aggressive cheerleaders for hate against white men in the United States,
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now trying to lecture the rest of us about hate, I would say it's enough to point out the irony of that.
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Come to our side, which is the side of humanity, and oppose all hate against all people.
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Say out loud, hate against whites is every bit as bad as hate against Jews.
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It's a universal principle, or it's not a principle.
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If it's not a universal principle, it's not a principle, it's just a preference.
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And that's the one thing that will destroy this country, certainly.
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The only thing that will save it is the understanding that principles upon which America was founded apply to every single human being, always.
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By way of saying that I'm not just situationally opposed to anti-Semitism, I'm actually opposed to anti-Semitism.
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I'll send the money, by the way, if they come out against hate aimed at anyone and everyone.
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But let me just say something more broadly about where the conservative movement, whatever that is, the people who voted for Trump, the Trump coalition, and the supposed civil war going on within that group.
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I don't think, and I've had cause to think a lot about this because I've been unwittingly involved in the proxy war.
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There are two things going on here, and I'm not guessing.
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So Trump created this amazing coalition, bringing in people who had never voted Republican before but were very enthusiastic about him.
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And that coalition took over the most powerful government in the history of the world.
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And so the question becomes, who gets to run it after?
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Who gets the machinery when the president exits the scene?
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And there are a lot of people in Washington, maybe even in this room, who aren't quite sure what they want, but they know they don't want J.D. Vance.
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And so the attack, and you heard it from the stage tonight, there's someone here who's a very bad man, and he's friends with J.D. Vance.
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I am sad about being used in a proxy war over politics in which I'm not involved in any level.
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There are people who are mad at J.D. Vance, and they're stirring up a lot of this in order to make sure he doesn't get the nomination.
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So this raises the obvious question, which is, why are they mad at J.D. Vance?
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They're mad at J.D. Vance because he is the one person, and things could change, of course, but right now, who really kind of buys the core idea of the Trump coalition.
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Which I notice, some people are pretty anxious to retire that phrase.
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And then, they just decided to ignore it in favor of MAGA.
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The U.S. government, the largest organization in human history, with the most well-funded military in history, ought to, in all the decisions it makes, put the interests of American citizens first.
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In fact, the original America first years were kind of against wars, and the current ones are, too.
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The government ought to serve the people who pay for it, who elected them, in whose name the business of government is conducted.
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Now, there are two things to know about this idea.
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Like, what percentage, if you polled that idea in the supposedly fractious Trump coalition that's in the middle of a civil war, what percentage of people would disagree with that?
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But, like, probably 95% of Trump voters would be for that.
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And I bet you, like, probably 70% of people who didn't vote for Trump would be for that.
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And if you calmed down and explained it to them, probably, like, 90%.
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Because it's self-evident, like most true things.
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And, moreover, and think this through for a second, there is no other legitimate rationale for running our government.
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The point of the American Revolution was to make that point.
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And so, if you're not operating the federal government on behalf of U.S. citizens, you're illegitimate.
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And if you disagree, tell me what the other legitimate justification is.
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Oh, because my friends or people I agree with are in my, you know, interest group.
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The government must, must, this is non-negotiable, operate on behalf of American citizens.
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So, once you realize that that's the statement at the center of the debate, it all becomes pretty clear.
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I've probably had most of them in my long and varied life.
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I just kind of want to see a good faith effort to improve the country.
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And I'm ever aware that I'm not exactly sure the right way a lot of times.
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All I really care about is that the people in charge care.
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That is the first and most important requirement of leadership.
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A father who loves his children may make mistakes, probably will, inevitably will.
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But if he loves his kids, he'll do a pretty good job, and they'll be fine.
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An officer who loves his men, you know, he can't control the battle, but they'll do better
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The president who truly loves his people will, over time, tend to make wiser decisions on their
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But the leaders who don't care at all, they'll destroy your country.
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That's, by the way, not noted as an effort to blackpill you, or an effort to discourage
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you or convince you you have no agency or control.
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But if you want to know what the debate is going forward, and what your job is going
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forward, it's holding your leaders to that very simple standard, not on tariffs or any
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of these specific policy questions necessarily, but on their motive.
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Can you look me in the face and explain to me why the thing that you are doing, the money
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you're appropriating, can you tell me why that helps our country and our people?
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And if you're doing the whole shut up racist thing, then I have a right to question your
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Why do you have to imply that some college kid is like some kind of Hitlerite or something
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And I thought that was like the whole reason we were against the left.
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They're not going to force you to get up there and make ritual denunciations because this
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By the way, your politics do not trump my love for other people.
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I remember my brother once said, I have one brother who's my best friend, and he once
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And I remember all these reporters, one from the Washington Post, which used to be a newspaper
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in Washington, calling me and being like, will you denounce your brother?
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I said, son, if my brother went on a drug-related murder spree, I would not denounce him.
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And nothing will ever make me not for my brother.
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Now, I'd probably tell him, no more drug-related murder sprees for you.
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But I will never, ever denounce people I love to satisfy the mob.
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So as you think through, like, what should this movement be, and what side should you
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And if they can't tell you why it's America first, you just won the argument, because
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And I would just say this, too, because the passion is real, the anger is real.
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I try not to get involved, but somehow I keep involving myself.
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And I try not to read the internet, because I don't feel like it's good for my soul, but,
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I think I'm going back to cigarettes and giving up Twitter.
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But anyway, the point is, you need to remember, if you're a Christian, and I think there are
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a lot of them in this room, that Jesus makes demands on you and holds standards for you
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that are very different from those, as my friend, close friend, Russell Brand so beautifully
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explained, are very different from those of the world, which really is controlled by Satan.
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It's hard even to say that, because it's so dark, but it's also so true.
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When Jesus sends out the disciples, one of my favorite passages in the whole New Testament,
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when Jesus in Matthew 10 sends the disciples out, he's just picked them like 10 minutes
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He's like, all right, I want you guys road trip.
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You're going to get beaten with whips and arrested.
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And when that happens, like, don't worry about what you're going to say, the Holy Spirit will
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And I'm like, I just can't get over the blasé way in which he just tells them the world is
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going to try and kill you, which, by the way, it did.
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And I sincerely believe that this is a spiritual battle.
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And I'm not saying everyone who disagrees with me is on the side of evil.
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But I do think that fundamentally, this is light versus darkness.
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And darkness is characterized by rage and division and chaos and confusion.
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And light is God is characterized by the opposite of those things.
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One of the reasons people scream insults in your face is to provoke a reaction from you
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And the way that I try to keep myself from becoming what they say I am is by remembering
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that I am on the most basic level no better than my persecutors.
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And I'm reminded of that every day in the structure of the Lord's Prayer, where we first are told
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by Jesus to ask for forgiveness for our sins before we start diagnosing the plank in our
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neighbors, or in the speck in our neighbor's eye.
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The whole thing begins with, I'm a pompous douchebag, I'll admit it.
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We are called to be righteous, but not self-righteous.
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And we're also called, and I have to say this before opening it up to your hostile questions,
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we should also be very on guard against people who try to leverage the word of God
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And I attempt every time, this is all sort of new to me, I'm so obviously not a great
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Christian that it's, it's not like a lot of people are going to be like, oh, I want to
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But there are people, particularly Christian ministers, I have noticed, who are preaching
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a political message, and pretending that it's the gospel.
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So let me just say, and I think my theology is right, I'm hardly a theologian, God is not
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Certain countries can decide to be on God's side.
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God doesn't have a partisan affiliation, he doesn't have a nationality, and if someone
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is telling you otherwise, that is just not true.
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And I would also call your attention to the very obvious prohibitions in the New Testament
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We are not, as Christians, allowed to kill the innocent.
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And you see elaborate arguments on behalf of doing so, or ignoring it, oh, that always
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Well, you're right, one of the reasons I'm not that into wars.
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But when it does happen, unavoidably, we have to say that's wrong.
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And I'm sorry for the extent to which I participated in it.
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Because killing people who committed no crime is immoral.
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And nations that endorse it will be punished for it.
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And you are seeing now, you are seeing now a very intense effort to convince you otherwise.
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I don't care if it's in Minneapolis or Gaza City.
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And if we do accidentally, we say, I am so sorry that we murdered someone who did nothing
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And to see Christian pastors make excuses for that is one of the most, and that's not
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And the resounding answer that Christianity provides us is no.
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You know, I don't even, I didn't even know the terms.
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I actually think, was it Michael reading them, some of them here?
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I think any person, any honest person would say it's the essence of the Christian faith.
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And killing tens of thousands of children and then making excuses for it on behalf of
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So now that I've alienated most in the crowd with my staunch position against violence and
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power worship and money worship, which are also prohibited, and we should also keep that
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in mind, and in all of us is the desire to suck up to power and accumulate money we don't
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Anyway, now that I've made everyone mad, are there any questions that I can answer?
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So the question was, what do you do if you're a conservative Republican and I assume other
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Republicans don't want you because you're an avowed Christian?
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Well, first you sit back and you think, how rotten has this whole thing become?
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If you can't say you're a Christian in a conservative group, if you can't say, I'm uncomfortable with
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dudes marrying each other, or whatever, abortion, or the things that are prohibited by our religion,
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if you can't say that in a conservative group, it's not a conservative group.
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I'm a Christian, and I was just wondering, what are the steps I should take to...
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I want to be a politician, and I was wondering, what are the steps I should take to pursue that career?
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I heard that you're 12 years old, and so thank you for asking that question.
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I think you said, I want to be a politician, what steps should I take?
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You know, I do think that we are entering into, obviously, a volatile period.
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I can't even keep track of it, and that's my job.
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But I also feel like people who are telling the truth or trying, you know, it's kind of the best you can do is try.
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I said something yesterday in public that was totally wrong.
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I feel like people who try to tell the truth are rewarded for it because there have been too many lies.
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So my bottom line advice, I could give you other dumb advice, but my only real advice is just tell the truth always.
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What you and your wife do to strengthen your faith.
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I'm always embarrassed to talk about my faith because it's so not impressive.
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But honestly, the main thing I do is I read the Bible every day, which I really enjoy.
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And I'm not, you know, fluent in Aramaic or Greek or Hebrew, so I can't tell you that it's the best.
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And as a writer and editor, I just love clear English.
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And it's just opened up all this stuff that I thought was opaque.
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And I wake up every morning really early, and I drink coffee with my dogs, and I read it by myself.
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And then my wife comes down, and we, like, talk about it.
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Is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, commonly known as AIPAC,
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is them being in America and not registered with FARA, like all other lobbying groups in America,
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Is it America first for senators, Congress, and even our president to take money from AIPAC?
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Is it America first to take money from a foreign lobby so you'll send taxpayer dollars to that country?
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You know, even the question kind of answers itself.
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It's certainly not anti-Semitism, despite the efforts of many to claim that it is.
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And the fact that people are attacked for asking the question.
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This is something that I talk to Charlie a lot about in his final months,
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because he was being attacked as an anti-Semite for asking that question.
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And we've memory-holded that, but I was there, so I saw it.
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And it's totally fine to ask about why a foreign government tried to sink one of our ships in 1967.
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And that's why they won't have the conversation.
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I have an absolute God-given right to ask these questions.
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And that's why they respond with, like, rage and shame.
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Because you caught them doing something they can't defend.
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And I've come here from Munich, Germany, to introduce you and others to my book,
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And it addresses the Cold Civil War that's got us so split.
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And the goal of it is actually to shift the symmetry of the bell curve distribution of the political spectrum from what we had at the end of the 2024 election.
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And 52% Trump, 48% Kamala Harris, when everybody in this room thinks it should have been at least 75-25.
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And I want to ask you what you think we should be doing to try to solve it.
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I created this communications tool to help bridge the divide to argue our case for those with whom we can no longer have rational political discussion.
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But, it's a variation of what I said before, but I couldn't mean it more fervently.
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Orient the Republican Party around the single most popular and true message ever articulated by an American politician, which is, put your own country first.
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And don't think of everything in narrow partisan terms.
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Most Americans have more in common with each other than they disagree on.
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And almost everybody is willing to tolerate a good faith argument about how to get there.
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And they're the ones running around calling everyone an anti-Semite.
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But everyone else is like, yeah, of course, that should be the debate.
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They want that because they know they haven't had that.
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And what you're watching now, attacking people on the, attacking millions of Americans because they're Muslims?
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I'm never going to, I know there's a lot of effort to claim I'm a secret jihadi.
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What you're doing is trying to divide the country.
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All these fake race wars that they're always promoting.
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Oh, go hate each other while we loot the treasury.
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So, yes, there is a possibility for a huge coalition of decent people once they free their minds from the traps set for them by others and realize, wait a second, we all want to make this country better.
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You know, good luck in Maryland or wherever you wind up.
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Didn't get to meet him until he's 15 months old just because I'm conservative.
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Because I know so many dads that all have zero custody because of this.
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So, Marjorie Taylor Greene's bill, Protect Children, Innocence Act, just passed the House.
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And finally, end this gender insanity, mutilating, hurting kids.
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The last part, pull your face back from the microphone so I can hear you.
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And can we finally stop the mutilation of children with Marjorie Taylor Greene's bill?
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I'm just going to say, when I was a child, we did a lot of bird hunting.
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And my father would always say, my brother and me, he'd say, Pop, you know, everyone
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And he would just say, pull the filter off your Marlboro and stick it in your opposite
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And that's actually, at 56, made it really hard for me to hear microphone questions.
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So, you asked, and I'll just answer this and stop, you asked about Marjorie Taylor Greene's
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bill to ban the mutilation of children, which for some reason seems to have a lot of trouble
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getting through the House of Representatives, which is controlled by Republicans.
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And if there's ever a clearer example of whose side they're on, I can't think of it.
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Because at least on some of the foreign policy stuff, they can tell you, no, no, no, we have
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We have to kill all the kids in Gaza because otherwise the Gazans will come here and kill
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What's the potential excuse for allowing the sexual mutilation of children?
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At that point, I'm like, you know, I don't want to question people's motives, but I'm
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And I do think it just gets back to you have to demand more from your members of Congress,
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You're not allowed to sell us out again because if you keep doing that, people get radical
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And then they get desperate because they realize their vote doesn't matter.
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And that's when things start to go sideways in a way that nobody wants.
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So, yeah, if you can't even ban the castration of children, I hope there is a list, and I've
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been traveling today, but I hope on the internet there's a list of everyone who voted against
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that effort, and I hope that they are punished for it.
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I mean, they will be ultimately, but I hope they're punished in this life.
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