The Tucker Carlson Show - December 19, 2025


FULL SPEECH： Tucker on the America First Movement & New “Deplatforming” Agenda of Some on the Right


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Comedian Eric Eddings is joined by writer/comedian Erica Eichenauer ( ) to discuss the death of comedian Charlie Kirk and why he should have been allowed to debate other people's ideas and views.

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00:00:29.960 Oh, what a trip.
00:00:51.060 Thank you very much!
00:00:54.240 Oh, yeah!
00:00:56.360 Thank you.
00:00:58.700 Whoa! 0.71
00:01:02.980 Thank you.
00:01:05.660 Walking out is always such a trip at these things.
00:01:08.460 I just got here and I feel like I missed the first part of the program.
00:01:13.640 I hope I didn't miss anything meaningful.
00:01:15.020 But I just want to say, I don't think I did.
00:01:19.880 No, I'm just kidding.
00:01:21.300 I watched it!
00:01:22.980 I laughed.
00:01:24.640 I laughed.
00:01:25.500 That kind of bitter sardonic laugh that emerges from you when, like, upside down world arrives.
00:01:32.200 When your dog starts doing your taxes and you're like, wait, it's not supposed to work this way.
00:01:36.100 To hear calls for, like, deplatforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event, I'm like, what?
00:01:42.840 This is hilarious.
00:01:45.980 Yeah.
00:01:46.720 This is hilarious.
00:01:47.660 Actually, one of the clips I was listening to myself, thinking as I often do when I hear myself speak, which is never, because I never watch myself.
00:01:55.240 But at these events, they always play, like, the role of you.
00:01:58.220 And I'm like, that guy is pompous!
00:02:00.280 Woo! 0.99
00:02:01.240 Sorry about that.
00:02:02.420 We don't see ourselves clearly.
00:02:04.740 But the prediction that, you know, at some point when Republicans took power again, which I did everything I could, you know, to help, and really felt that was important.
00:02:15.740 I still think, you know, I was right.
00:02:17.540 But I really thought that the impulse to deplatform people, or even to use the word platform as a verb, which it's not, it's a noun, don't steal my nouns, deplatform and denounce, why haven't you denounced somebody else?
00:02:33.380 The whole, like, Red Guard cultural revolution thing that we so hated and feared on the left that we did everything we could to usher in a new time where you could have an actual debate. 0.87
00:02:46.220 I mean, this kind of was the whole point of Charlie Kirk's public life.
00:02:51.160 And I think that, um, I think that he died for it.
00:02:55.400 I really believe that.
00:02:57.020 And I know a lot about it because the last several months of Charlie's life were devoted in part to arguing about this event, in fact, this speech, in fact, my speech here, which he asked me to do earlier this year, this summer,
00:03:13.240 and was immediately put under just immense pressure from people who give money to turning point, I would assume good people, but who wanted him to take me off the roster.
00:03:21.720 And this has all become public, and I, the whole thing is so sad that I never talk about it, except to say, Charlie stood firm in his often stated and deeply held belief that people should be able to debate.
00:03:36.080 And that if you have something valid to say, if you're telling the truth, you ought to be able to explain it calmly and in detail to people who don't agree with you, and that you shouldn't immediately resort to shut up racist.
00:03:49.300 You shouldn't immediately go to motive.
00:03:51.240 By the way, shut up racist is the number one reason I voted for Donald Trump. 0.98
00:03:58.760 And because I'm just sick of it. 0.99
00:04:00.760 I mean, first of all, if I was a racist, if I was a bigot, I would just say so.
00:04:03.800 Okay, it's America.
00:04:04.740 You're allowed to be whatever kind of person you want.
00:04:06.520 I'm not.
00:04:07.320 I'm sincerely opposed, have always been, and will always be.
00:04:11.220 But the style of debate where you prevent the other side from talking or being heard because you immediately go to motive.
00:04:19.060 Well, I wonder why you're asking that question.
00:04:21.240 I wonder why.
00:04:22.360 Why are you asking that question?
00:04:23.500 I detect in the question a certain evil in your soul.
00:04:28.220 And everyone listening should know that listening to you implicates them.
00:04:33.240 And that they someday may be asked to denounce you.
00:04:36.880 And that friendship is not a reason to defend someone.
00:04:42.220 Love is no defense.
00:04:46.000 I kind of thought we'd reach the end of that.
00:04:48.120 And as far as I'm concerned, we have.
00:04:49.920 And I'm not going to play by those rules.
00:04:53.260 I'm not going to engage in that.
00:04:56.240 If someone doesn't like what I think, fine with me.
00:05:00.540 As long as I get to express it.
00:05:02.240 That's my view.
00:05:02.940 But since we're on the topic, I think I should take the opportunity to explain why Charlie was under all this pressure.
00:05:09.660 And I think Erica, who I just saw backstage, and whom I love, and who I can tell you is totally committed to continuing the core principle of Charlie's public life,
00:05:20.160 which is the right of every person to express what he believes, that is rooted in Christian faith.
00:05:26.940 We believe people should be able to say what they think because they have souls.
00:05:31.320 They're human beings created by God.
00:05:34.580 They are not slaves.
00:05:36.040 They are not animals.
00:05:37.160 They are not objects.
00:05:38.040 You cannot tell another human being to shut up, even shut up racist, because you don't own him.
00:05:48.640 He is an independent, autonomous person created by God as an individual.
00:05:53.440 Okay?
00:05:53.640 So that's where that belief comes from.
00:05:54.940 That's where free speech comes from.
00:05:56.600 And there's no accident.
00:05:57.760 This is the only country in the world that protects it because our founding documents were informed, as you just heard so nicely expressed by Michael Knowles, my friend,
00:06:06.020 by people who self-consciously incorporated Christian precepts into their structure of government.
00:06:14.700 So Charlie was committed to that.
00:06:15.840 But the people around him were like, you can't because it's not that Carlson's wrong.
00:06:20.460 My only point was I don't want a land war with Iran. 0.59
00:06:23.720 I got over my skis and said I didn't want another regime change war with Iran.
00:06:27.920 Rather than explain why we should have a regime change war with Iran, which I'd be happy to listen to, he's an anti-Semite.
00:06:33.560 He's an anti-Semite.
00:06:34.440 Which I said, well, obviously that's not true.
00:06:36.580 And Charlie said, I know.
00:06:37.400 And then it just didn't stop.
00:06:39.320 So I continued to say, I'm not an anti-Semite.
00:06:42.460 We don't care what you say.
00:06:43.460 You're lying. 0.76
00:06:44.000 You are.
00:06:45.320 So let me just affirm one final time.
00:06:48.360 Not only am I not an anti-Semite, and would say so if I was, I'm not an anti-Semite for a very specific reason.
00:06:55.600 Not because it's unpopular or my donors don't like it.
00:06:58.480 I don't have any donors.
00:06:59.280 I'm not an anti-Semite because anti-Semitism is immoral.
00:07:05.240 In my religion, it is immoral to hate people for how they were born.
00:07:13.920 Period.
00:07:14.600 But that is not a limited principle.
00:07:21.560 That is a universal principle.
00:07:24.740 It applies to every human being on planet Earth.
00:07:28.400 You may not, you are prohibited by my religion, which is Christianity, from hating people for how they were born.
00:07:36.200 Because God created them with his spark in his image.
00:07:39.980 Because they have souls.
00:07:41.840 You can disagree with them.
00:07:44.700 You can hate their ideas.
00:07:46.900 You may even find yourself, and I do, I'll confess it, hating them for a moment.
00:07:51.420 But you can't hate everyone who's like them.
00:07:53.900 You can't punish people for crimes they didn't commit.
00:07:58.160 That's the basis of our justice system.
00:08:00.240 That's the basis of Christian ethics.
00:08:02.300 That's why we have what are called human rights.
00:08:04.920 They apply to every human.
00:08:06.340 Not just your group, not just my group, but every group, every human.
00:08:09.860 Because we don't consider people in terms of the groups to which they belong.
00:08:13.240 We consider them as individuals the way that God created them.
00:08:16.920 So, anti-Semitism is not just naughty, it's immoral.
00:08:25.020 And it is precisely as immoral as hating any other group.
00:08:30.300 And that would include other groups in the United States that are hated and have been under attack for decades. 0.97
00:08:37.760 And that would include white men. 0.69
00:08:40.680 Who did nothing to become white men. 0.54
00:08:44.780 They were born that way. 0.77
00:08:47.060 And just because you have a beef with a white man, let's just say Donald Trump,
00:08:51.360 doesn't mean you get to punish all the rest of the white men in the country.
00:08:55.220 And yet, our leaders, not just of our Congress, the executive branch under Biden,
00:09:03.500 but of every major U.S. corporation, of every college in the country,
00:09:08.100 probably except Hillsdale and two others,
00:09:10.480 every single one for more than 10 years has engaged in a systematic effort 0.93
00:09:16.960 to hurt white men because they are white men.
00:09:21.780 That is racism that is precisely as bad as anti-Semitism, 0.76
00:09:28.280 but it is much more widespread and has been, so far, much more damaging.
00:09:34.420 And my point is, if you said nothing about that,
00:09:38.680 or if you encouraged it by, say, cheering on BLM,
00:09:43.640 which was an anti-white hate group and said so,
00:09:46.660 then you have no moral standing to lecture me about bias.
00:09:51.780 Period.
00:09:53.560 Because all bias is the same.
00:09:57.260 You are not allowed to hate people based on their bloodline.
00:10:02.320 We do not believe in blood guilt.
00:10:04.340 We reject blood guilt.
00:10:06.080 That's why our justice system is just.
00:10:08.920 That's why our religion is just.
00:10:11.140 Every person has the possibility of transformation.
00:10:15.340 Paul is wandering around.
00:10:16.700 Saul of Tarsus is wandering around murdering Christians. 0.99
00:10:18.900 Then he decides, well, I'll walk to Syria.
00:10:22.220 And he's met on the road by Jesus, who changes him.
00:10:25.060 And in one day, he becomes the most energetic church planter and apostle of Christianity.
00:10:31.440 In one day.
00:10:32.680 He went from enemy to leader in one day.
00:10:35.920 And that possibility exists for every human being.
00:10:38.260 Every human being.
00:10:39.500 That's what our Christian faith tells us.
00:10:40.940 That's also what our eyes tell us.
00:10:42.760 There are no permanent enemies.
00:10:44.500 There cannot be.
00:10:46.640 And I would extend this to even people who attack me from this stage.
00:10:51.060 They'll say, if we agree on something, I'm happy to be friends with you.
00:10:55.360 You may have been mean to me one day.
00:10:57.040 Well, I was mean to you too.
00:10:57.940 That's all right.
00:10:59.440 There is always the possibility that we can recognize we have more in common than divides us.
00:11:04.720 And come back together.
00:11:07.040 There are no permanent enemies.
00:11:09.680 There is no such thing as blood guilt.
00:11:11.960 And collective punishment in this country, in the Middle East, anywhere on the planet, is totally immoral.
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00:15:08.300 So I guess I would just say to the many organizations now, and particularly this applies to the Anti-Defamation League,
00:15:16.160 which has cheered on anti-white hatred for decades, has attacked anyone who said anything about it,
00:15:24.780 which has been one of the most aggressive cheerleaders for hate against white men in the United States,
00:15:32.400 now trying to lecture the rest of us about hate, I would say it's enough to point out the irony of that.
00:15:38.300 Come to our side, which is the side of humanity, and oppose all hate against all people. 0.90
00:15:46.340 Say out loud, hate against whites is every bit as bad as hate against Jews.
00:15:51.620 It's a universal principle, or it's not a principle. 0.94
00:15:54.940 It's just a preference.
00:15:57.500 If it's not a universal principle, it's not a principle, it's just a preference.
00:16:03.840 It's just identity politics.
00:16:06.280 And we've had enough of that.
00:16:07.380 And that's the one thing that will destroy this country, certainly.
00:16:10.860 The only thing that will save it is the understanding that principles upon which America was founded apply to every single human being, always.
00:16:19.660 So I just want to say that.
00:16:20.540 By way of saying that I'm not just situationally opposed to anti-Semitism, I'm actually opposed to anti-Semitism. 0.94
00:16:32.220 And I hope that the ADL will join me.
00:16:34.340 I'll send the money, by the way, if they come out against hate aimed at anyone and everyone.
00:16:41.060 I hope they will.
00:16:41.860 But let me just say something more broadly about where the conservative movement, whatever that is, the people who voted for Trump, the Trump coalition, and the supposed civil war going on within that group.
00:16:54.220 I don't think it's real.
00:16:56.700 I think it's fake.
00:16:57.860 I think it's totally fake.
00:16:59.480 I don't think, and I've had cause to think a lot about this because I've been unwittingly involved in the proxy war.
00:17:09.340 There are two things going on here, and I'm not guessing.
00:17:14.600 One is jockeying for position post-Trump.
00:17:19.160 So Trump created this amazing coalition, bringing in people who had never voted Republican before but were very enthusiastic about him.
00:17:25.680 And that coalition took over the most powerful government in the history of the world.
00:17:28.660 So there's a lot at stake here.
00:17:30.580 And so the question becomes, who gets to run it after?
00:17:32.400 Who gets the machinery when the president exits the scene?
00:17:35.240 And there are a lot of people in Washington, maybe even in this room, who aren't quite sure what they want, but they know they don't want J.D. Vance.
00:17:43.740 Okay?
00:17:45.040 And so the attack, and you heard it from the stage tonight, there's someone here who's a very bad man, and he's friends with J.D. Vance.
00:17:53.060 Could be me.
00:17:53.700 I am sad about being used in a proxy war over politics in which I'm not involved in any level.
00:18:04.300 I'm not an advisor to anybody.
00:18:06.000 But I just think I should say that out loud.
00:18:08.320 Okay?
00:18:09.420 There are people who are mad at J.D. Vance, and they're stirring up a lot of this in order to make sure he doesn't get the nomination.
00:18:16.460 So that, this is true.
00:18:18.740 So this raises the obvious question, which is, why are they mad at J.D. Vance?
00:18:22.480 Such a nice guy, which he is.
00:18:25.260 They're mad at J.D. Vance because he is the one person, and things could change, of course, but right now, who really kind of buys the core idea of the Trump coalition.
00:18:35.260 Now, what is that idea?
00:18:36.100 Ladies and gentlemen, anyone know?
00:18:37.180 Anyone know?
00:18:38.400 America first.
00:18:41.080 It's America first. 0.94
00:18:42.920 It's really simple.
00:18:43.740 Which I notice, some people are pretty anxious to retire that phrase.
00:18:51.020 Remember when they told us?
00:18:52.540 That's a bigoted phrase.
00:18:54.620 Really?
00:18:55.720 It is.
00:18:57.660 And then, they just decided to ignore it in favor of MAGA.
00:19:01.380 Make America great again.
00:19:02.260 Which I'm obviously for.
00:19:03.480 But how do you make America great again?
00:19:04.800 By putting America first.
00:19:06.060 Now, what does that mean?
00:19:06.600 I'll be more precise.
00:19:07.680 It's not a complicated concept.
00:19:09.400 It's a really simple concept.
00:19:10.340 The U.S. government, the largest organization in human history, with the most well-funded military in history, ought to, in all the decisions it makes, put the interests of American citizens first.
00:19:25.880 That's it.
00:19:26.520 Oh, that's creepy.
00:19:33.940 Sounds kind of fascist.
00:19:35.480 You're going to invade Poland now? 0.80
00:19:38.400 No, just the opposite.
00:19:40.020 In fact, the original America first years were kind of against wars, and the current ones are, too.
00:19:45.260 Actually, it just means what it sounds like.
00:19:47.240 The government ought to serve the people who pay for it, who elected them, in whose name the business of government is conducted.
00:19:57.260 That's all it means.
00:20:00.280 Now, there are two things to know about this idea.
00:20:03.300 The first is, almost everyone's for that.
00:20:06.220 Like, what percentage, if you polled that idea in the supposedly fractious Trump coalition that's in the middle of a civil war, what percentage of people would disagree with that?
00:20:19.020 Well, a few.
00:20:20.960 You know, people whose names you know.
00:20:23.600 Well, that sounds like America only.
00:20:26.880 No, it's not.
00:20:28.120 Just America first. 0.98
00:20:29.020 It's simple.
00:20:29.300 But, like, probably 95% of Trump voters would be for that.
00:20:34.180 And I bet you, like, probably 70% of people who didn't vote for Trump would be for that.
00:20:38.880 And if you calmed down and explained it to them, probably, like, 90%.
00:20:42.020 Why?
00:20:43.300 Because it's self-evident, like most true things.
00:20:46.940 And, moreover, and think this through for a second, there is no other legitimate rationale for running our government.
00:20:56.360 We have self-government.
00:20:58.120 This is a democratic republic.
00:21:00.540 It exists for our benefit.
00:21:04.200 The documents were written that way.
00:21:06.700 The point of the American Revolution was to make that point.
00:21:10.220 And so, if you're not operating the federal government on behalf of U.S. citizens, you're illegitimate.
00:21:15.760 You actually have no right to rule.
00:21:18.280 Period.
00:21:18.760 And if you disagree, tell me what the other legitimate justification is.
00:21:24.540 Oh, because my friends or people I agree with are in my, you know, interest group.
00:21:30.320 I mean, no.
00:21:32.040 The government must, must, this is non-negotiable, operate on behalf of American citizens.
00:21:39.640 So, once you realize that that's the statement at the center of the debate, it all becomes pretty clear.
00:21:54.040 Really clear, actually.
00:21:55.640 It's not an ideological debate.
00:21:56.760 There's nothing ideological about that.
00:21:58.240 I've got all kinds of kooky ideological views.
00:22:01.000 I love Knowles' list of all the views.
00:22:02.720 I've probably had most of them in my long and varied life.
00:22:06.680 I have fewer now.
00:22:07.800 I just kind of want to see a good faith effort to improve the country.
00:22:10.600 That's it.
00:22:11.040 And I'm ever aware that I'm not exactly sure the right way a lot of times.
00:22:16.580 Are tariffs the best way to help the country?
00:22:18.700 I don't know.
00:22:19.040 I hope so.
00:22:20.140 Not an expert.
00:22:21.620 All I really care about is that the people in charge care.
00:22:26.180 That they love the people they lead.
00:22:29.040 That is the first and most important requirement of leadership.
00:22:33.000 A father who loves his children may make mistakes, probably will, inevitably will.
00:22:36.680 I did.
00:22:37.120 But if he loves his kids, he'll do a pretty good job, and they'll be fine.
00:22:42.300 An officer who loves his men, you know, he can't control the battle, but they'll do better
00:22:47.700 than the officer who doesn't.
00:22:50.260 The president who truly loves his people will, over time, tend to make wiser decisions on their
00:22:55.440 behalf.
00:22:56.680 But the leaders who don't care at all, they'll destroy your country.
00:23:00.740 And that is absolutely what we've had.
00:23:02.120 That's, by the way, not noted as an effort to blackpill you, or an effort to discourage
00:23:11.120 you or convince you you have no agency or control.
00:23:13.720 You have a lot of control.
00:23:15.540 You just changed the government.
00:23:17.240 Good.
00:23:18.680 But if you want to know what the debate is going forward, and what your job is going
00:23:22.300 forward, it's holding your leaders to that very simple standard, not on tariffs or any
00:23:28.740 of these specific policy questions necessarily, but on their motive.
00:23:33.700 Can you look me in the face and explain to me why the thing that you are doing, the money
00:23:39.380 you're appropriating, can you tell me why that helps our country and our people?
00:23:44.620 Tell me how.
00:23:46.580 And if you're doing the whole shut up racist thing, then I have a right to question your
00:23:55.920 motives, actually.
00:23:56.900 Why can't you answer the question?
00:23:58.760 Why can't you answer that question?
00:24:00.600 Why do you have to imply that some college kid is like some kind of Hitlerite or something
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00:24:07.700 Like, what?
00:24:08.980 By the way, it is okay to ask questions.
00:24:11.540 And I thought that was like the whole reason we were against the left.
00:24:18.620 They're not going to force you to get up there and make ritual denunciations because this
00:24:23.500 isn't my religion.
00:24:24.460 It's politics.
00:24:26.040 By the way, your politics do not trump my love for other people.
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00:27:19.980 I remember my brother once said, I have one brother who's my best friend, and he once
00:27:26.920 said something lunatic, as brothers do. 0.79
00:27:29.580 And I remember all these reporters, one from the Washington Post, which used to be a newspaper
00:27:33.700 in Washington, calling me and being like, will you denounce your brother?
00:27:39.020 I said, son, if my brother went on a drug-related murder spree, I would not denounce him.
00:27:47.380 What?
00:27:48.260 Are you for drug-related murder sprees?
00:27:49.840 No, I'm for my brother.
00:27:52.240 And nothing will ever make me not for my brother.
00:27:55.240 Now, I'd probably tell him, no more drug-related murder sprees for you.
00:27:58.420 I'm not for that.
00:28:00.300 I'm not for a lot of things, actually.
00:28:01.800 But I will never, ever denounce people I love to satisfy the mob.
00:28:09.160 Right?
00:28:14.020 I mean, it's crazy.
00:28:17.800 So as you think through, like, what should this movement be, and what side should you
00:28:22.600 take on the conservative civil war?
00:28:25.080 You already know the answer.
00:28:28.620 You're on the side of America first. 0.89
00:28:30.180 And if they can't tell you why it's America first, you just won the argument, because
00:28:34.720 they don't have one. 1.00
00:28:36.060 Shut up, Nazi! 1.00
00:28:37.120 It's no different from shut up, racist! 1.00
00:28:39.640 It's a little more annoying, actually. 0.98
00:28:43.100 And I would just say this, too, because the passion is real, the anger is real.
00:28:48.260 I feel it sometimes.
00:28:50.020 I try not to get involved, but somehow I keep involving myself.
00:28:54.880 And I try not to read the internet, because I don't feel like it's good for my soul, but,
00:28:58.120 you know, more addictive than cigarettes.
00:29:00.020 I quit cigarettes, not Twitter.
00:29:03.860 I think I'm going back to cigarettes and giving up Twitter.
00:29:06.300 Whatever.
00:29:06.660 I don't want to burden you.
00:29:08.900 Not kidding, actually.
00:29:09.960 But anyway, the point is, you need to remember, if you're a Christian, and I think there are
00:29:15.980 a lot of them in this room, that Jesus makes demands on you and holds standards for you
00:29:24.700 that are very different from those, as my friend, close friend, Russell Brand so beautifully
00:29:30.040 explained, are very different from those of the world, which really is controlled by Satan.
00:29:38.520 It's hard even to say that, because it's so dark, but it's also so true.
00:29:41.120 So don't be surprised.
00:29:42.760 When Jesus sends out the disciples, one of my favorite passages in the whole New Testament,
00:29:45.800 when Jesus in Matthew 10 sends the disciples out, he's just picked them like 10 minutes
00:29:49.660 before.
00:29:50.340 He's like, all right, I want you guys road trip.
00:29:52.860 No money, no clothes, no staff.
00:29:55.300 And by the way, you're going to get flogged. 0.94
00:29:57.420 You're going to get beaten with whips and arrested. 0.74
00:30:00.180 I'm sure they're all thinking like, what? 0.65
00:30:01.740 You know, I thought we were the winners here.
00:30:04.040 And when that happens, like, don't worry about what you're going to say, the Holy Spirit will
00:30:06.800 speak for you.
00:30:07.380 And I'm like, I just can't get over the blasé way in which he just tells them the world is
00:30:11.420 going to try and kill you, which, by the way, it did. 0.86
00:30:13.260 I think all of them end up getting killed. 0.99
00:30:15.480 And that's just the baseline. 0.99
00:30:16.620 We're promised that.
00:30:17.340 It's a fact.
00:30:17.920 You get up and give a speech about Jesus.
00:30:19.540 You talk about Jesus.
00:30:20.420 You try to live out his commands.
00:30:22.560 You're going to get attacked.
00:30:23.240 Okay, we know that.
00:30:24.140 Don't whine.
00:30:26.060 Here's the pitfall.
00:30:28.260 Here's the trap.
00:30:29.300 God is becoming hateful yourself.
00:30:32.320 And I sincerely believe that this is a spiritual battle.
00:30:35.420 And I'm not saying everyone who disagrees with me is on the side of evil.
00:30:38.540 I don't think that.
00:30:39.340 I think I'm often wrong.
00:30:40.260 I know that I am.
00:30:42.240 But I do think that fundamentally, this is light versus darkness.
00:30:46.740 I do.
00:30:48.260 And darkness is characterized by rage and division and chaos and confusion.
00:30:54.240 And light is God is characterized by the opposite of those things.
00:30:58.260 And I've noticed this.
00:31:00.480 There are attempts to make people hateful.
00:31:03.380 One of the reasons people scream insults in your face is to provoke a reaction from you
00:31:08.620 and make you hate them.
00:31:10.600 They want you to hate them.
00:31:13.660 They want you to become what they call you.
00:31:16.540 Why?
00:31:17.220 Because evil feeds on hate.
00:31:18.620 That's why.
00:31:19.020 So don't participate in that.
00:31:21.280 And the way that I try to keep myself from becoming what they say I am is by remembering
00:31:27.940 that I am on the most basic level no better than my persecutors.
00:31:31.800 I am no better than my persecutors.
00:31:35.760 And that's why I'm commanded to pray for them.
00:31:38.640 Because we have all fallen short of Jesus.
00:31:42.340 Period.
00:31:42.580 And I'm reminded of that every day in the structure of the Lord's Prayer, where we first are told
00:31:52.700 by Jesus to ask for forgiveness for our sins before we start diagnosing the plank in our
00:32:01.160 neighbors, or in the speck in our neighbor's eye. 0.79
00:32:03.340 The whole thing begins with, I'm a pompous douchebag, I'll admit it. 0.60
00:32:12.800 That's essential. 0.86
00:32:14.700 It's essential.
00:32:16.160 We are called to be righteous, but not self-righteous.
00:32:20.380 And we're also called, and I have to say this before opening it up to your hostile questions,
00:32:23.960 we should also be very on guard against people who try to leverage the word of God
00:32:32.060 the words of Jesus for political ends.
00:32:37.340 That is one, that is a dangerous thing to do.
00:32:41.360 I don't want to do that.
00:32:43.800 And I attempt every time, this is all sort of new to me, I'm so obviously not a great
00:32:48.080 Christian that it's, it's not like a lot of people are going to be like, oh, I want to
00:32:50.800 be like him.
00:32:52.620 But there are people, particularly Christian ministers, I have noticed, who are preaching
00:33:00.320 a political message, and pretending that it's the gospel.
00:33:07.540 So let me just say, and I think my theology is right, I'm hardly a theologian, God is not
00:33:14.400 on any country's side.
00:33:17.060 Certain countries can decide to be on God's side.
00:33:20.280 And that is true for people too.
00:33:22.700 Okay?
00:33:22.880 God doesn't have a partisan affiliation, he doesn't have a nationality, and if someone
00:33:30.700 is telling you otherwise, that is just not true.
00:33:33.600 It is not true.
00:33:34.900 And I would also call your attention to the very obvious prohibitions in the New Testament
00:33:40.540 against killing the innocent.
00:33:42.400 We are not, as Christians, allowed to kill the innocent.
00:33:47.440 Period.
00:33:48.760 We are not.
00:33:50.240 And you see elaborate arguments on behalf of doing so, or ignoring it, oh, that always
00:33:56.680 happens in war.
00:33:57.620 Well, you're right, one of the reasons I'm not that into wars.
00:34:00.680 But when it does happen, unavoidably, we have to say that's wrong.
00:34:06.600 We have to say that.
00:34:07.780 We have to acknowledge that was wrong.
00:34:09.640 And I'm sorry for the extent to which I participated in it.
00:34:14.280 Forgive me.
00:34:15.180 Because killing people who committed no crime is immoral.
00:34:19.640 It will always be immoral.
00:34:21.620 And people who do it will be punished for it.
00:34:23.460 And nations that endorse it will be punished for it.
00:34:27.160 That's a fact.
00:34:28.940 And you are seeing now, you are seeing now a very intense effort to convince you otherwise.
00:34:37.500 Oh, it's fine.
00:34:38.380 They deserved it.
00:34:39.300 Really, do their children deserve it? 1.00
00:34:41.760 If a man commits a crime, do we kill his kids? 0.97
00:34:45.200 I don't care if it's in Minneapolis or Gaza City. 0.94
00:34:47.780 No, we don't.
00:34:49.820 And if we do accidentally, we say, I am so sorry that we murdered someone who did nothing
00:34:54.120 wrong because it is murder.
00:34:56.700 And to see Christian pastors make excuses for that is one of the most, and that's not 0.98
00:35:01.740 a partisan question.
00:35:02.820 That is not a political question.
00:35:05.780 That is the only question that matters.
00:35:08.100 Do we have the right to murder people?
00:35:11.420 And the resounding answer that Christianity provides us is no.
00:35:16.900 I don't get into the whole debate.
00:35:21.620 You know, I don't even, I didn't even know the terms.
00:35:25.920 Dispensationalist, you know, or whatever.
00:35:27.640 Replacement.
00:35:28.140 I'm an Episcopalian, okay?
00:35:29.140 I don't enter these debates.
00:35:30.540 Or was.
00:35:32.660 My theology is super simple.
00:35:34.920 I like the Beatitudes.
00:35:36.520 Read them yesterday.
00:35:37.640 I actually think, was it Michael reading them, some of them here?
00:35:41.580 I think any person, any honest person would say it's the essence of the Christian faith.
00:35:46.520 And killing tens of thousands of children and then making excuses for it on behalf of 0.75
00:35:52.040 a foreign government is not in there.
00:35:53.860 It's antithetical to that.
00:35:56.880 Sorry.
00:35:57.980 It doesn't make me a hater.
00:35:59.440 It makes me the opponent of hate.
00:36:01.080 So now that I've alienated most in the crowd with my staunch position against violence and
00:36:10.100 power worship and money worship, which are also prohibited, and we should also keep that
00:36:16.000 in mind, and in all of us is the desire to suck up to power and accumulate money we don't
00:36:20.620 need.
00:36:21.060 We're not allowed to.
00:36:22.440 Sorry.
00:36:24.420 Anyway, now that I've made everyone mad, are there any questions that I can answer?
00:36:28.380 Yes.
00:36:32.320 Shout it, baby.
00:36:33.120 I'll hear it.
00:36:34.080 Okay.
00:36:36.480 We've got questions over here.
00:36:38.120 Hold on one sec.
00:36:38.980 I just called this lady up front. 1.00
00:36:40.660 So the question was, what do you do if you're a conservative Republican and I assume other
00:36:57.920 Republicans don't want you because you're an avowed Christian?
00:37:01.820 Well, first you sit back and you think, how rotten has this whole thing become?
00:37:05.320 If you can't say you're a Christian in a conservative group, if you can't say, I'm uncomfortable with
00:37:11.500 dudes marrying each other, or whatever, abortion, or the things that are prohibited by our religion,
00:37:17.260 if you can't say that in a conservative group, it's not a conservative group.
00:37:20.780 It's something else.
00:37:21.720 My name is Madison, and I'm 12 years old.
00:37:30.940 When I'm older, I want to be a politician.
00:37:33.360 I'm a Christian, and I was just wondering, what are the steps I should take to...
00:37:38.460 I'm so sorry.
00:37:39.160 I can't hear a word you're saying.
00:37:40.520 I hear two of you, at least.
00:37:41.600 My name is Madison, and I'm 12 years old.
00:37:47.740 I want to be a politician, and I was wondering, what are the steps I should take to pursue that career?
00:37:58.940 Thank you so much.
00:37:59.940 I heard that you're 12 years old, and so thank you for asking that question.
00:38:04.760 I think you said, I want to be a politician, what steps should I take?
00:38:08.160 Yeah.
00:38:08.940 Perfect.
00:38:10.260 Well, prayer would be the first one.
00:38:12.880 Does God really want that for you?
00:38:14.220 You seem so nice.
00:38:15.460 Sorry, just kidding.
00:38:20.140 You know, I do think that we are entering into, obviously, a volatile period.
00:38:24.980 Like, there's a lot going on.
00:38:26.040 I can't even keep track of it, and that's my job.
00:38:28.760 But I also feel like people who are telling the truth or trying, you know, it's kind of the best you can do is try.
00:38:34.680 I said something yesterday in public that was totally wrong.
00:38:38.020 Completely wrong.
00:38:39.740 And I hate doing that, but it was sincere.
00:38:41.660 I thought it was right.
00:38:42.360 I said, you know, whatever.
00:38:43.040 I'm sorry.
00:38:44.280 I feel like people who try to tell the truth are rewarded for it because there have been too many lies.
00:38:50.320 So my bottom line advice, I could give you other dumb advice, but my only real advice is just tell the truth always.
00:38:55.720 And if you lose, that's okay. 0.82
00:38:58.020 Hi, Mr. Carlson.
00:39:09.040 I am Bo.
00:39:10.140 And my name is Annabelle.
00:39:12.760 And we were wondering what you and your wife.
00:39:17.460 You were wondering what I do where?
00:39:24.500 What you and your wife do to strengthen your faith.
00:39:30.380 Oh, what I do to strengthen my faith.
00:39:33.120 I'm always embarrassed to talk about my faith because it's so not impressive.
00:39:38.600 But honestly, the main thing I do is I read the Bible every day, which I really enjoy.
00:39:44.980 And I read a version of it called the NLT.
00:39:47.280 And I'm not, you know, fluent in Aramaic or Greek or Hebrew, so I can't tell you that it's the best.
00:39:55.220 But it has the clearest English.
00:39:57.320 And as a writer and editor, I just love clear English.
00:39:59.580 And I just think it's amazing.
00:40:00.720 And it's just opened up all this stuff that I thought was opaque.
00:40:03.960 And I wake up every morning really early, and I drink coffee with my dogs, and I read it by myself.
00:40:10.020 And then my wife comes down, and we, like, talk about it.
00:40:13.400 That's kind of it.
00:40:14.460 But I love it.
00:40:17.280 Yeah, we do.
00:40:25.960 Is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, commonly known as AIPAC,
00:40:33.780 is them being in America and not registered with FARA, like all other lobbying groups in America,
00:40:42.680 is that America first? 0.62
00:40:44.720 Is it America first for senators, Congress, and even our president to take money from AIPAC?
00:40:56.040 Is it America first to take money from a foreign lobby so you'll send taxpayer dollars to that country?
00:41:02.220 You know, even the question kind of answers itself.
00:41:06.920 Obviously, it isn't.
00:41:08.500 And that's not an attack on Israel.
00:41:10.260 It's certainly not anti-Semitism, despite the efforts of many to claim that it is.
00:41:15.300 It's just an obvious statement.
00:41:16.660 And the fact that people are attacked for asking the question.
00:41:25.500 This is something that I talk to Charlie a lot about in his final months,
00:41:29.840 because he was being attacked as an anti-Semite for asking that question.
00:41:34.120 And we've memory-holded that, but I was there, so I saw it.
00:41:36.920 So, that's not the right way.
00:41:38.840 Don't attack people's motives.
00:41:41.320 And I have a lot to attack people's motives.
00:41:43.780 I'm trying to remind myself, don't do that.
00:41:45.920 Respond to what they're saying.
00:41:48.700 Right?
00:41:49.340 And so, no, of course it's not.
00:41:52.180 And it's totally fine to ask about why a foreign government tried to sink one of our ships in 1967.
00:41:59.520 That doesn't make you an anti-Semite.
00:42:00.860 Sorry.
00:42:01.940 Those are Americans who died. 0.97
00:42:05.340 And by the way, yeah, whatever.
00:42:06.800 Anyway, but the point is, no, of course not.
00:42:09.300 And that's why they won't have the conversation.
00:42:11.800 And my point is, you know, I'm 56.
00:42:13.760 My kids are grown.
00:42:14.560 I'm just not afraid of you at all.
00:42:16.760 I don't hate you or anyone else.
00:42:19.040 I love this country. 0.79
00:42:20.300 I'm going to be here until I die.
00:42:21.700 I have an absolute God-given right to ask these questions.
00:42:26.380 And I'm going to keep doing that.
00:42:28.280 Period. 1.00
00:42:29.100 And you can shoot me or put me in jail. 0.99
00:42:31.400 But the questions won't go away. 0.98
00:42:34.040 So, no, of course it's not.
00:42:35.720 And that's why they respond with, like, rage and shame.
00:42:39.900 Because you caught them doing something they can't defend.
00:42:42.860 Duh.
00:42:49.940 Hey, Tucker.
00:42:50.780 How are you doing?
00:42:52.480 Thanks for taking questions.
00:42:54.240 My name is Michael Lasher.
00:42:56.660 And I've come here from Munich, Germany, to introduce you and others to my book,
00:43:02.380 The Same Boat, A Guide to Heal the Divide.
00:43:06.380 And it addresses the Cold Civil War that's got us so split.
00:43:12.520 And the goal of it is actually to shift the symmetry of the bell curve distribution of the political spectrum from what we had at the end of the 2024 election.
00:43:31.420 And 52% Trump, 48% Kamala Harris, when everybody in this room thinks it should have been at least 75-25.
00:43:38.880 So, we have a Cold Civil War going on.
00:43:41.840 And I want to ask you what you think we should be doing to try to solve it.
00:43:46.080 I'll tell you.
00:43:46.840 I created this communications tool to help bridge the divide to argue our case for those with whom we can no longer have rational political discussion.
00:43:57.260 But, it's a variation of what I said before, but I couldn't mean it more fervently.
00:44:04.600 Orient the Republican Party around the single most popular and true message ever articulated by an American politician, which is, put your own country first.
00:44:15.640 That's why Trump got elected in 2016.
00:44:20.260 That's why he's president now.
00:44:22.320 America first.
00:44:24.480 And don't think of everything in narrow partisan terms.
00:44:29.140 That's a trap.
00:44:30.620 Most people agree with that.
00:44:32.920 Most Americans have more in common with each other than they disagree on.
00:44:38.120 And almost everybody agrees on that.
00:44:40.180 And almost everybody is willing to tolerate a good faith argument about how to get there.
00:44:44.200 Except a few.
00:44:46.080 And they're the ones running around calling everyone an anti-Semite.
00:44:48.720 But everyone else is like, yeah, of course, that should be the debate.
00:44:51.600 And they'll vote for you.
00:44:53.060 They want that because they know they haven't had that.
00:44:56.420 That's the fact. 0.69
00:44:57.980 And what you're watching now, attacking people on the, attacking millions of Americans because they're Muslims? 1.00
00:45:04.300 It's disgusting. 0.99
00:45:06.000 And I'm a Christian. 0.98
00:45:06.840 I'm not a Muslim.
00:45:07.640 I'm never going to, I know there's a lot of effort to claim I'm a secret jihadi.
00:45:09.920 I'm not.
00:45:11.180 You should not attack people on those grounds.
00:45:13.960 And you're seeing it from Republicans.
00:45:15.280 What the hell are you doing?
00:45:16.820 What you're doing is trying to divide the country. 1.00
00:45:19.420 And I've lived through 50 years of this crap. 0.99
00:45:21.660 All these fake race wars that they're always promoting. 1.00
00:45:25.060 Oh, go hate each other while we loot the treasury.
00:45:27.520 That's exactly what's going on.
00:45:29.120 And most people are totally sick of that.
00:45:30.980 So, yes, there is a possibility for a huge coalition of decent people once they free their minds from the traps set for them by others and realize, wait a second, we all want to make this country better.
00:45:43.180 And the 15% or 30% who don't, okay.
00:45:47.220 You know, good luck in Maryland or wherever you wind up.
00:45:49.680 But the rest of us would like to fix it.
00:45:52.920 A bit, it's important.
00:45:55.800 Tucker.
00:45:57.000 Tucker.
00:45:57.600 My name's Harrison Tinsley.
00:45:58.780 I'm a single dad in California.
00:46:00.520 Didn't get to meet him until he's 15 months old just because I'm conservative.
00:46:04.000 One half custody.
00:46:04.920 His mom tried to trans him.
00:46:06.540 Long story short, I have full custody now.
00:46:09.520 And it's a dream come true.
00:46:11.000 Thank you.
00:46:12.240 But it's a miracle.
00:46:13.680 And praise God.
00:46:14.600 Because I know so many dads that all have zero custody because of this.
00:46:18.360 So, Marjorie Taylor Greene's bill, Protect Children, Innocence Act, just passed the House.
00:46:23.240 Can we pass it in the Senate?
00:46:24.580 And finally, end this gender insanity, mutilating, hurting kids. 1.00
00:46:29.760 And will you interview me?
00:46:30.940 The last part, pull your face back from the microphone so I can hear you.
00:46:33.980 And will you interview me?
00:46:36.020 Am I going to interview detransitioned people? 1.00
00:46:38.560 Is that the question?
00:46:40.020 No.
00:46:40.640 No, me as a dad.
00:46:42.160 And can we finally stop the mutilation of children with Marjorie Taylor Greene's bill?
00:46:48.040 Okay.
00:46:49.000 I'm just going to say, when I was a child, we did a lot of bird hunting.
00:46:54.120 And my father would always say, my brother and me, he'd say, Pop, you know, everyone
00:46:58.520 wears earplugs.
00:46:59.420 And he would just say, pull the filter off your Marlboro and stick it in your opposite
00:47:02.320 ear.
00:47:03.900 And that's actually, at 56, made it really hard for me to hear microphone questions.
00:47:08.560 So, you asked, and I'll just answer this and stop, you asked about Marjorie Taylor Greene's
00:47:14.260 bill to ban the mutilation of children, which for some reason seems to have a lot of trouble
00:47:19.940 getting through the House of Representatives, which is controlled by Republicans.
00:47:22.880 And if there's ever a clearer example of whose side they're on, I can't think of it.
00:47:30.580 Because at least on some of the foreign policy stuff, they can tell you, no, no, no, we have
00:47:34.040 to be at war with Russia because Putin's bad.
00:47:37.260 He's just bad. 0.99
00:47:38.640 He's bad.
00:47:39.540 Okay.
00:47:40.080 Got it. 1.00
00:47:40.520 We have to kill all the kids in Gaza because otherwise the Gazans will come here and kill 1.00
00:47:45.040 us. 1.00
00:47:45.300 Okay. 0.97
00:47:46.320 What's the potential excuse for allowing the sexual mutilation of children? 0.99
00:47:55.040 At that point, I'm like, you know, I don't want to question people's motives, but I'm
00:47:58.500 starting to wonder.
00:47:59.220 And I do think it just gets back to you have to demand more from your members of Congress,
00:48:07.300 from your leaders more broadly.
00:48:08.920 You're not allowed to sell us out again because if you keep doing that, people get radical
00:48:13.140 and hateful.
00:48:15.060 And then they get desperate because they realize their vote doesn't matter.
00:48:18.700 And that's when things start to go sideways in a way that nobody wants.
00:48:22.000 So, yeah, if you can't even ban the castration of children, I hope there is a list, and I've 0.67
00:48:29.920 been traveling today, but I hope on the internet there's a list of everyone who voted against
00:48:34.820 that effort, and I hope that they are punished for it.
00:48:38.860 I mean, they will be ultimately, but I hope they're punished in this life.
00:48:41.000 Anyway, thank you very much.
00:48:42.100 Thank you very much.
00:49:12.100 We'll see you on the other side.
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