The Tucker Carlson Show - George Santos Airs All of Congress’ Dirty Laundry in Final Interview Before Prison

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00:00:13.820 every interview you do the reporter ends up lecturing you giving you a moral lecture and

00:00:20.020 i just lived in dc for too long and i just i i have you in perspective with everyone else you

00:00:24.460 serve with the other 435 you are not the sleazyest person sorry sorry um you may have the longest

00:00:31.620 prison term but you are not the most deserving uh you are in my opinion uh the funniest member

00:00:37.160 of congress i've ever seen and i to me that counts for something so i'm not exactly sure how you got

00:00:42.300 seven i mean you're going to prison in how long from now uh 24 days from today

00:00:46.480 how in the world did you get seven years in person

00:01:11.400 i asked myself i bet you do i'm looking at this and i'm treating this as like a mental exercise

00:01:19.640 it's gymnastics at tucker just put it this way no one is going to prison for what i'm going to prison

00:01:27.880 for because if if they were we wouldn't have half a congress right now and that's on both sides i mean

00:01:35.080 aoc still has a million dollars a wall from her 2022 campaign that still hasn't been resolved nobody

00:01:40.160 knows where it went uh unaccounted receipts or whatever the case excuse is uh mccormick down in

00:01:46.480 florida the democrat she um accidentally took five million dollars from covid relief it was an accident

00:01:53.260 it was meant to be 5 000 but somebody added extra zeros she's not going to prison um even david schweiker

00:02:01.140 who who had a four-year-long ethics investigation against him for misusing campaign funds

00:02:06.540 got a 200 000 fine no one got indicted in 87 days i am the fastest member of congress to get

00:02:13.500 indicted in the history of congress when one of the charges against you um i just read is identity

00:02:18.420 theft yes identity so we have what the estimate is 50 million people living here illegally most of them

00:02:24.100 working every non-citizen without a visa with a job in the united states is committing identity theft

00:02:29.640 pretty much well yeah that's a fake social security numbers fake driver's license yeah they all have

00:02:34.180 documents i don't think anyone's ever been indicted of those tens of millions of people committing

00:02:38.660 identity theft but you were indicted and convicted of identity theft well it's not even just that

00:02:42.620 there's the dubin decision in the supreme court that came down last year actually late last year

00:02:47.700 or mid last year pardon me um too soon wrong person actually so um it's it essentially says that

00:02:58.040 if identity theft isn't the crux of the crime and if it's a consequence right and i'm not making

00:03:04.840 excuses here i'm just saying you cannot be charged for aggravated identity theft and this is a case

00:03:10.040 the case they make against me is that i stole people's credit cards and i went on shopping sprees

00:03:14.940 that is categorically false the evidence doesn't even corroborate or substantiate that right but they

00:03:21.160 went on with the media narrative because it was easier for the prosecution they knew eventually they

00:03:26.380 would squeeze me out of the ability to defend myself right and pay for defense i went through

00:03:30.880 every last penny i had and bank accounts closing on me bank relationships wealth's fargo i had an

00:03:36.220 account with them for over 15 years i had a great line of credit with them boom closed on me after

00:03:41.200 being harassed with subpoenas by the fbi same thing for citibank which i kept my business accounts at

00:03:47.140 citibank boom and i mean i was in 2022 at least i did transactions business legitimate business

00:03:55.580 transactions that were not contested to the tune of almost a million dollars at citibank they closed

00:03:59.360 on me like a bank banks that i had great relationships with wouldn't extend me line of

00:04:03.860 credit american express close i'm banned for life from an american express why because it's it the crux of

00:04:11.960 the crimes charged again levied against me are fraud or financial fraud it's white collar why would they

00:04:16.500 want to do business with a with a high-risk client like myself that's their excuse right so as the circle

00:04:22.960 starts narrowing on me i ran out of options and that's how i end up in a bad plea identity theft i

00:04:28.940 mean you committed identity theft in the same sense that sasha baron cohen commits identity theft like in

00:04:33.700 the service of hilarity i'll i'll give you better i committed identity theft in the same sense that act

00:04:39.180 blue committed identity theft having clients on reoccurring donations it's not my donors pardon me

00:04:45.600 having donors on reoccurring donations does not constitute identity theft per se right and can you

00:04:53.580 explain what that means so in other words if i give my credit card to a charity or a bundler like act

00:04:58.140 blue they keep charging it if there's a month checkbox right you're supposed to select that when you're

00:05:03.940 doing the donation if you don't deselect that and this is a big issue i agree in hindsight political

00:05:10.220 bundlers like win red and act blue should not even have that option on there i think that's entrapment

00:05:15.600 i i genuinely believe that you know uh looking in in retrospect it's it's an onus so large on the

00:05:22.060 donor and on the candidate it becomes a nightmare because if you go there and you donate the max

00:05:26.780 donation to me and forget to uncheck that box now you're on a reoccurring max you're going to

00:05:31.440 completely be maxed out by per the fec now if i had a good operation and a good treasurer what would

00:05:38.880 that treasurer do start returning donations going there manually removing she wasn't doing any of

00:05:43.560 that she was moving money around it got so convoluted and i trusted her and and you know

00:05:49.300 it is what it is i'm here i am seven years if you look at the crux of the crime it is 55 000

00:05:58.440 of misuse of campaign funds i admit to that i admit that you know i i thought they were all within

00:06:04.820 the purview of spending i was told it was all and i had no reservations of making those i didn't do

00:06:09.400 them in secrecy they were all blatantly done because they were reported to the fec so i bought

00:06:14.460 a new suit here or there or i got botox apparently they said it was okay for 800 bucks despite the

00:06:20.320 fact that i've spent thousands of dollars on botox of my own money but i i spent 800 of the campaign

00:06:25.420 funds on botox then comes all these other like are you worried that botox like affects your brain

00:06:31.500 after a while probably i don't know much about botox it's like the it's a narrow toxin right

00:06:38.960 sorry i've always wanted to ask a user that yeah no i mean sure there's a side effect to everything

00:06:45.000 right we drink booze it's bad for your liver oh no for sure right so it's it's i look at it the same

00:06:50.220 way but um i guess i can you know no matter what i die i'm always going to have great skin

00:06:55.260 and you're all going to see that but you're never going to know that my liver's falling apart

00:07:00.540 but that's kind of like the the entire exist existence of this identity theft and there's

00:07:08.860 an entire supreme court decision that the judge in my case completely ignored we made that motion

00:07:13.120 by the way this is a judge joanna cyber who was appointed by clinton but has a stellar reputation

00:07:19.440 of being fair very fair until she tries george santos and then she completely broke from precedent

00:07:27.040 every attorney in new york was telling my it's my legal team like you guys drew the judge lottery

00:07:32.300 so much so that at one point the doj was trying to judge shop they kept creating um um relatable

00:07:38.820 indictments within the same case but presenting them in brooklyn trying to get and then would say

00:07:44.220 you know in in the interest of justice and of preserving public funds these cases are related

00:07:49.360 we want to adjoin them lucky or i guess not lucky for me she was very tenacious and says no

00:07:56.060 they're all coming to me she's the senior judge on the bench in the eastern district of new york

00:08:00.480 so you would think you know she's she sees and she's she's gone through all the nonsense right yeah

00:08:06.700 but no at the end of the day she just slammed the book at me 87 months didn't even she read the

00:08:13.120 indictment inside the courtroom she didn't she she went in there with her with with her decision

00:08:18.260 completely pre-written she did not it didn't matter what we can argue during sentencing she didn't care

00:08:24.600 it was pre-written she read it she read she read my attorney she read us she sided with every single

00:08:30.620 aspect of the of the of the prosecution but what strikes me incredible is nancy marks my treasurer

00:08:39.540 just got sentenced to six to three years pardon me probation she's not doing a day in prison

00:08:45.700 this is a person who has had run-ins with the fbi in the past so i've learned afterwards this is a

00:08:51.580 person who in 2022 to the own admission and contradiction by the way of the doj did worse

00:08:59.400 acts of criminality um and manipulation on another candidates uh another republican candidates

00:09:06.840 fec reports a big candidate by the way somebody he person didn't win but millions of dollars worth of

00:09:13.060 a campaign and she was a treasurer and then to top it off they never indicted that person or gave her

00:09:19.680 those charges they were just after me even though we're talking small potatoes with george they were

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00:12:44.880 see this pattern where a guy is marked for destruction and it's kind of assured at that point

00:12:51.160 first his enemies attack then his allies abandon him then the media backs up everyone who's against him

00:12:59.020 and then the justice system moves against him and there's just no mercy at all and i've seen it with

00:13:04.740 all kinds of people some who deserved it others who didn't but i saw it happening to you and i didn't

00:13:09.480 really understand the details and i the whole time i was thinking i know what's gonna happen that man's

00:13:13.220 going to jail okay because like everyone's against him no one will defend him but i couldn't understand

00:13:20.100 why it was happening i'm ideological so i was trying to think i looked into your positions on everything and

00:13:24.620 you know you're conservative for new york but your positions are not radical at all they're totally

00:13:31.140 within what we call the mainstream of the republican party so i don't think do you this is just my

00:13:35.900 theory do you think you said anything on the issues that deeply offended people not on the

00:13:41.080 conservative issues that's what i'm saying i totally offended libs definitely offended the libs i do that

00:13:45.900 for sport here here's my biggest crime i'm a gay man who's a republican and i won a seat in the middle

00:13:51.320 of new york city that's not that can't stand no no they hate you for that but then the republicans

00:13:56.260 abandoned you too look i'll say this it was a small group of republicans who abandoned me at first

00:14:02.480 and those were the people who wanted to settle putty scores nick lalota anthony desposito these

00:14:07.740 are all local guys right so the former congressman desposito because he said that expelling me would

00:14:13.000 secure his re-election well that didn't work out that way neither for him brandon williams or mark

00:14:17.880 molinaro all three of them lost their elections in which they weren't supposed to but they did

00:14:21.660 uh nick lalota who replaced lee zeldin which is an absolute travesty because lee was an actual

00:14:27.120 conservative this dude's just i i can't even detail to you like where on the on the barometer

00:14:33.680 would he even measure as a conservative because the dude caves and votes for every cr that's ever

00:14:38.160 been presented and and is is contributing to the destruction of our of our economy contributing to

00:14:43.760 the destruction of our country in general by putting us in perpetual death these guys didn't like

00:14:48.140 me back home because i was quote the rising star in new york right nobody likes that you know it's

00:14:54.480 all about self-aggrandizement for these guys and when there's one sucking more energy than the other

00:14:58.900 they're not gonna like him and that's that's how it boiled down so when i was vulnerable for the first

00:15:03.840 time in four years that they've interacted with me i belly up and they're like ah this is an

00:15:09.080 opportunity we're not gonna miss and they just went in for the jugular you know but what about in the

00:15:13.100 congress in congress these two guys managed to move people's minds you know there's one's a former

00:15:21.320 cop the other one's a service a former serviceman so they built those relationship with that kind of

00:15:26.540 caucus in you know the former cops a former serviceman so they kind of have that brotherly

00:15:31.640 bond so those guys all disbanded towards them and against me look if it wasn't for people like tim

00:15:38.360 burchett to extend a friendly hand and pull me in i probably would have sat in a corner by myself

00:15:44.040 like tennessee from tennessee yes such a good man he's he was my mentor and i've learned one thing

00:15:49.220 from him we don't need to agree to be friends that's totally right i mean he's like a you know

00:15:54.400 he's he gets along with maxine waters totally and he has my politics i think and uh but he's just a

00:15:59.780 really decent like massey he's a decent person i love massey disagree with him on stuff of course i get

00:16:05.080 it but i'm just saying like but i love the guy person yeah um so who were your friends in the

00:16:09.860 congress tim burchett yeah um i love trent kelly in mississippi i mean who would think a gay man from

00:16:15.960 new york getting along with a guy from mississippi but i love trent kelly lauren bober yeah marjorie

00:16:20.480 was always very very good to me uh matt gates you know uh i've known gates longer than i know all of

00:16:25.880 them i mean i've just known gates for years at this point i think since i kind of entered the

00:16:30.860 political scene he's a very welcoming he's a great recruiter i would say for the party because

00:16:35.780 he's young and he he's not he doesn't have all these preconceived notions about people or how

00:16:41.080 people need to be so it's very easy to get no barriers with gates and again he'll give you his

00:16:45.260 tax like you can call him and i fight with gates plenty don't i argue with him plenty but i would

00:16:51.960 always go to his office when i needed some guidance on stuff he was always willing to thomas massey

00:16:55.820 guided me through some tough votes that i didn't understand freshman congressman i don't understand

00:17:00.020 everything no matter how much of a bookworm you might be when you get there you're voting on

00:17:03.760 things that you really don't understand and you need to seek guidance sought that guidance from

00:17:07.700 massey so many times and so many times he was willingly uh available you know i would turn around

00:17:14.280 and say massey i understand what you're saying but i kind of disagree with you i would take the

00:17:18.900 information and still vote contrary to him sometimes you can't hurt his feelings you can't though i mean

00:17:23.120 look the one thing massey and i always will agree on i'll never vote for a cr i never voted for a cr

00:17:27.660 never will vote for a cr it's just why you cannot perpetually live borrowing money you will bankrupt

00:17:36.460 this nation into oblivion and if you do not balance the budget it is it's the biggest existential threat

00:17:42.840 we have today is not iran despite we don't agree on iran right hate iran yeah iran's not great i'm

00:17:48.860 not saying iran's terrible but they're not our biggest problem today our biggest problem is domestic

00:17:53.960 it's debt right and the fact that we one big beautiful bill love the bill i love the intentions

00:17:58.940 but i think the framework of the intentions are flawed because they started off by cutting back

00:18:04.140 spending based on 2024 levels they're supposed to cut back spending based on 2019 levels because

00:18:10.320 anything from 2019 forward has pelosi's covid pork and we're still spending at covid level today

00:18:17.080 don't take it from me call any other member of congress we still spend at covid 19 levels today

00:18:23.380 we might have rolled back some provisions but the spending is the same levels of 2020 2020 onward

00:18:29.960 if you really want to be serious about cutting back spending you go back to 2019 and you cut on top of

00:18:35.380 that because we were already about 40 over budget that's that's my standing financially i think that

00:18:41.380 seems totally reasonable and it's the only reasonable way forward but you can't even get the

00:18:46.300 framework of the one big beautiful bill to be perfect again i'm not going to let perfect be

00:18:50.660 the enemy of good there's good things of the bill but this version coming back from the senate

00:18:54.440 not not for me i don't know about others it's definitely not for me so but you don't have to

00:19:01.900 deal with it because you were literally expelled pretty much yeah so okay this is a philosophical

00:19:06.540 question but i'm sure you've pondered it you were elected by the voters of your district in new york

00:19:11.880 in nassau county yep nassau and queens and don't forget about queen sorry sorry i'm a queen's boy

00:19:17.900 and one of the boroughs so but the that's where your authority comes from and in a representative

00:19:24.500 democracy you're representing the democracy like you're an instrument of our system so how can

00:19:30.340 how can you be fired by other elected representatives like how can i don't understand how that works well

00:19:38.020 thomas massey said it best i will not overturn the election results of the third district so

00:19:42.680 that's what i'm saying right and that is just a crisper way to say what i was trying that's what

00:19:46.020 he said exactly and he says this is this is preposterous let you go and be fired by the people

00:19:51.020 who sent you here at the time no convictions no i i still had a trial was a long way so no due

00:19:58.020 process offered they call a political hit piece in ethics report and i'll give you a little

00:20:03.940 tidbit of the ethics report and i have to do the air quotes because it it irritates me to know that

00:20:09.540 this will forever be in my record i had a a hit type plant person try to work in my office called

00:20:17.280 derrick meyer from ohio completely insane looney tune guy um he wanted to work in my office one of my

00:20:23.320 staffers said he's a good guy whatever we did vetting on him turned out he was nuts he he was under

00:20:27.660 investigation for wiretapping a federal courtroom so we said we don't we don't need the drama right now

00:20:33.420 i'm enough drama i don't need a sideshow so we said no this man after being told no went to the

00:20:43.340 ethics committee complained that we um made him work for free of a mean a bunch of bunch of stuff

00:20:50.780 none of it stuck accused you of slavery pretty much right none of it stuck then after a whole week

00:20:57.280 goes by he decided to pull out what card can you possibly think he pulled out of the pocket

00:21:01.800 sexual assault so i was gonna go with racism but sexual assault right and i said wow that's a

00:21:08.200 first even for me i was shocked i was flabbergasted like wow i've never been accused of being pervy

00:21:14.000 so i sit at home i go back to my partner i'm like i'm being accused of being pervy he's like

00:21:20.600 they definitely don't know you like i'm such a square and and we were just like shocked

00:21:27.520 this plays out he made bombastic allegations about sexual assault that i groped his groin i

00:21:33.560 invited him to karaoke none of which was true then when he gave his testimony he gave detailed dates

00:21:39.900 and times lucky congresspeople who have good staff like i did have a very detailed calendar of my

00:21:47.280 whereabouts oh yeah with plenty of pictures you know they're following with pictures and video to

00:21:51.700 post on social media look he's working you know the whole dog and pony show he's not at karaoke

00:21:55.920 there you go so um it it became so hysterical the ethics committee called him uh for the lack of

00:22:06.900 all the words didn't say straight out liar but he lacked credibility and evidence to prove um and that

00:22:12.520 the evidence to counter it was so overwhelming they dismissed it this was an office of congressional

00:22:17.360 ethics so the chairman of the ethics committee michael guest in his infinite wisdom in his expulsion

00:22:23.300 resolution contradicted his own ethics report which exonerates me from sexual assault but he puts it

00:22:30.260 in the expulsion resolution that whereas i engage in sexual harassment and sexual misconduct in my office

00:22:37.800 in my capacity as a member of congress to enhance the because he accused me of the ethics report also

00:22:45.040 accused me of having a number of high interest credit cards to rely to keep my lifestyle up oh i'm sorry

00:22:52.980 that was joe biden's economy interest rates were up all across the board i'm sorry for being american

00:22:58.260 and over leveraging myself so i have bad spending habits like they use this as evidence against me

00:23:06.000 you know and built this entire report like a trailer park economics going on and they were mad about it

00:23:11.920 they were pretty mad like i'm like i'm sorry but i do it well

00:23:15.120 so that was kind of the issue so when you look at this and you have troy nels and and all these very

00:23:24.960 serious former law enforcement officers who look at this and says this reads straight up like a

00:23:31.940 political hit piece no good cop would ever turn this over to a da and say here here's the charging

00:23:38.820 documents but this is what the ethics committee did and it was enough i guess to convince 105 democr

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00:27:46.620 life protect your family be prepared go to mosquared.com to learn more you think of all the republicans who

00:27:56.400 hate their party worked against their party you think of all the republicans those are the 105

00:28:00.960 fair but it's you think it's like the crazy behavior that goes on in congress and i do want

00:28:07.740 to ask you about that at some point but like that is a wild precedent to set we're just going to expel

00:28:15.060 someone from a body to which he was elected well i mean they they are they are pretty self-important

00:28:20.940 up there but but you would think that they would also be interested in self-preservation to the point

00:28:25.680 where they would say let's not set that precedent let's not start doing that well here's the funny

00:28:29.920 thing i i was expelled no due process right and you had not been convicted no not even a

00:28:35.600 no adjudication whatsoever just allegations at the point and had i not been expelled i'd still

00:28:40.920 probably have a jews to put up a fight but when you're expelled you lose juice it's i i don't know

00:28:46.720 how to put it to you no that's that's well put like i lost juice i i had no gas in my tank to keep

00:28:52.300 going forward so yeah i totally where was okay so the leadership of the republican conference the

00:28:59.460 republicans in the house would be able i think to tell republicans how to vote on this so

00:29:04.100 so mike johnson's the speaker i'm gonna say this kevin mccarthy was 10 times a better leader for the

00:29:12.500 conference than mike johnson is well that's for sure i mean no question oh i've noticed yes i can't

00:29:17.760 believe i'm saying that you you don't need to agree with kevin's politics per se no i agree but he was

00:29:23.760 a great leader he knew how to he whipped that into shape on the ideas part he just wanted to win right

00:29:29.960 he just wanted to win he's a winner he wants to win and that's fine for me i kind of disagreed with

00:29:34.720 him a lot like i i've let him down a few times but you know what he had my back so i always go back and

00:29:39.540 i tell matt gates do you still really think it was a good idea vacating mccarthy cost me my seat

00:29:44.160 cost the conference a seat you know but i was so mean to kevin who i should just say is a nice

00:29:50.340 man and i saw him at dinner last summer he was seated at the table next to me couldn't even look

00:29:54.500 at me and i thought you know i was so mean to that guy he's easy to be mean to it's easy because he

00:29:59.560 was the face of something yeah that's true i'm annoyed by republican leadership always but then

00:30:03.920 you look at mike johnson who's a disappointment oh so much authorizing all this killing in the name

00:30:10.780 of jesus it's like i can barely stay i can barely stand it so uh yes i think those of us who thought

00:30:16.160 kicking kevin mccarthy out of leader i had nothing to do with it but just cheerleading from the

00:30:19.580 sidelines we were completely wrong and i think it's important to admit that i i agree and so

00:30:24.460 mike johnson takes a posture of vote your conscience at least stefanik is freaking out like what do you

00:30:31.340 mean vote your conscience like this is the congress they don't have a conscience she's she firmly votes

00:30:37.340 to keep me mike johnson scalise most of leadership who matters and then you have the useful idiots like

00:30:45.100 richard hudson which i don't expect you to know who he is but believe it or not he's the chairman of the

00:30:49.400 nrcc which is in charge of recruitment now you wonder why we can't expand the majority who is he

00:30:54.700 a former staffer become became congressman which is the worst way to become a congressman from a state

00:30:59.840 from the state of north carolina okay so he was a staffer to a congressman then became the congressman

00:31:04.340 and now somebody thought in their infinite wisdom we're just gonna let him be the uh nrcc chair a total

00:31:10.280 dud votes against me then you have the mormon out of um utah can't i have such contempt for some of

00:31:18.380 these people that i forgot their names fair he's the deputy uh conference chair can't remember his

00:31:25.100 name i know he's super tall he votes for he votes expel me so you lose the tall guy yeah i lose the

00:31:30.140 tall guy then lisa mcclain who up until the moment of the vote she's like this is so unfair honey what

00:31:35.280 they're doing to you votes to expel me i'm like wait what the hell just happened never looked at

00:31:41.200 her in the face again so this is this is this is leadership leadership fractured and it gave people

00:31:47.160 a window to say well some of leadership went sideways we're just going to go with that

00:31:51.740 band of why would but in the end as you know you served in the body if the speaker said no we're not

00:31:59.380 going to let democrats kick out this guy for stuff that we all know is pretty common and and by the

00:32:06.060 way if it's a crime the courts will will make that judgment that was the only thing i argued right so

00:32:10.540 um if mike johnson had said that you would have been fine why didn't he say that

00:32:14.160 michael guest recently at an event in mississippi told a person and for the sakes of that person's

00:32:21.560 privacy uh because he entrusted in me that he flat out said it was political because they had polled

00:32:27.320 um the neighboring districts and they were getting slaughtered because of me i find that very hard

00:32:32.660 to believe because i was still being able to go back home do my district work i in the middle of

00:32:38.220 all of that tucker i did constituent work i was doing uh town halls i was doing mobile office hours

00:32:44.820 i i worked through it you know these guys were all scared of doing anything because my name was going

00:32:50.100 to come up well just say i'm not george santos if you have issues with george santos go visit george

00:32:54.240 santos's office that's it but they they took it personal and and and they made it personal and

00:33:00.220 it's fine and here we are you know but that's why i got expelled so did you know mike johnson i knew

00:33:05.960 mike johnson from the fact that me and lauren bober harassed him to run for speaker while we were going

00:33:12.260 through that entire debacle yeah that was unbelievable i was coming out of the so mccarthy's

00:33:16.940 can you just walk us through it for those of us who've forgotten the details mccarthy gets vacated

00:33:20.280 right and and and you know the one thing i hold till this day in my year from that day

00:33:25.740 was nancy mace nobody knew what she was doing and all of a sudden that echoes nancy mace nancy mace

00:33:33.840 all i remember is her very it felt visceral she screams an eye that i've i'm never going to forget

00:33:47.520 the strength she used to say i for for vacating him it echoed and permeated through the halls

00:33:53.860 and through the chamber and it you could hear a pin drop because nobody saw that coming

00:33:58.660 that was a final nail in his coffin wow and i sat nancy mace growled an eye with every fiber in her

00:34:07.480 being i looked i remember looking at cory mills's face and going like what the just happened he's like

00:34:15.080 this changes everything we were just so caught off guard because now from m onwards to z right

00:34:23.440 mace and yeah alpha anything can happen anything can happen and i sat there just like pondering like

00:34:33.000 what is happening right so that happens we instantly get pulled into conference we've now you know you

00:34:42.180 look at steve womack's face hitting the gavel and saying the office of the speaker is now vacant

00:34:49.160 one eye squinting the other eye almost bonking out of his skull i remember looking at womack's face and

00:34:55.820 looking around like did this just really happen i'm like when history couldn't be made even more but

00:35:02.120 it just just really happened and i'm from my purview i'm like oh my god i'm not the drama anymore this is

00:35:08.040 so for six weeks i felt so relieved

00:35:13.120 i'm sorry kevin but i just felt so relieved it was not on me anymore this is about gates and kevin

00:35:21.040 and i don't know if you remember the baby story me carrying a baby and screaming at a hamas protester

00:35:26.980 yeah so so that all happened in that i was just hanging out with babies at that point because nobody

00:35:33.420 cared about me but we all now get transferred to doing our conference meetings in the ways and

00:35:39.220 means committee room which is in the longworth office building right off of constitution yeah

00:35:43.980 my office was just down the hall so i was like a two minute walk i i joke my office became the the

00:35:50.700 hideaway bar for some of my colleagues so we were going there and we're doing these these votes in

00:35:59.740 behind closed doors and all i kept thinking was how much i hated it when i would be on the outside

00:36:07.020 and read about it they're all now gathered behind closed doors voting on this i said the hell with

00:36:11.660 the closed doors narrative i went to x and i started going and telling people play by play they were

00:36:17.500 sequestering our phones i said i'm a fucking congressman sorry no you're not taking you were

00:36:22.340 a fucking congress i literally said you're not taking my phone enough of this shit no more babysitting

00:36:26.600 and i was just texting live texting from in there then i started going out there and joining spaces

00:36:30.780 uh and there's some space hosts out there diligent denizen and james and shell shock these guys were

00:36:38.140 hosting these spaces in lieu and and i'm just giving it to them in real time and the numbers started

00:36:45.040 piling up with the audiences tens of thousands of people listening this is the first time a member of

00:36:50.740 congress is deflecting from defecting from the entire conference and telling them what's happening

00:36:55.560 behind closed doors play by play who's voting for what what fights are getting to what propositions

00:37:00.320 are being offered you know even mccarthy's navigation trying to go back into the speaker's office

00:37:06.060 there was a lot of those deals being cut did you know that at one point there was an offer of a

00:37:10.700 co-speakership between mccarthy and jim jordan that was an actual thing that was on the table like

00:37:16.400 jim will be the speaker and i will be co-speaker with him and we'll share the office

00:37:21.980 this was offered you know so i'm telling people this and people couldn't believe it so then we go

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00:37:37.980 this at the time scalise who i look up to him tremendously was going through cancer treatment

00:37:42.280 and i said come hell or high water i'm not voting for a man going through cancer treatment

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00:40:47.400 and then jim jordan there was a jim jordan aspect of it we went to the floor three times for jim jordan

00:40:53.800 and i voted for jim jordan i like jim jim's a great guy had personal meaning with him um but it wasn't

00:40:59.940 moving so when i saw that it started to fall apart i started lobbying mike johnson quiet in

00:41:06.020 the corner he's like no no no george i could never these guys are like two big brothers to me and i

00:41:10.400 said mike you're the only person in here that nobody dislikes like you're the nicest member of

00:41:16.040 congress nobody has an issue with you you're the only one that can get a consensus he's like

00:41:19.840 i could never do this to them then tom emmer tried poor tom i mean the the marriage equality vote

00:41:25.400 completely ruined him with the conference especially with the more christian base right

00:41:30.480 you're bob goods of the world but never vote for him right um so that went down in a ball of flame

00:41:36.840 and then the jungle primary started the jungle rounds there was like six of them up there from

00:41:41.700 dan muser to byron byron and and i love byron byron's like a great friend i i was very conflicted

00:41:52.240 at that point because here's the guy i lobbied and harassed to jump in the race in the race and

00:41:55.960 here's a friend of mine yeah but i also said at the time i said to him point blank you're my friend

00:42:01.560 but i don't think you've been here long enough to be speaker i think it'll eat you up and and you have

00:42:06.900 so much more to offer right and i didn't want him to compromise on his values because you do have

00:42:11.340 to compromise somewhat as speaker yes but i didn't expect mike to completely just throw his values

00:42:17.220 away mike johnson the morning he decided to jump in the race sends me a text message and says to

00:42:23.240 the tune of george i just wanted to say thank you for the encouragement i've decided to jump in the

00:42:27.320 race i hope i still have your support my answer to him is let's go you know like muscle emoji let's

00:42:34.320 let's kick ass i call arm bobert dead ass o'clock in the morning she's like somebody die i'm like no

00:42:40.340 mike johnson's jumping in the race she's like we're like celebrating and from that point forward

00:42:44.660 we were his apostles for the maga base because we the two of us were on spaces and then matt gates

00:42:51.580 joined promoting him people had no clue who mike johnson was and we educated them so that was my

00:42:59.200 little role there throughout that experiment i guess i call it because that was an experiment when was

00:43:04.780 that uh september september of 2023 it was uh it went from september throughout october early november

00:43:13.440 it was it was a nightmare and then he got it and then he got it and about a week or two later was

00:43:20.460 thanksgiving break now here's the guy two after he becomes speaker he becomes speaker now here's the

00:43:26.380 guy who i lobby like hell put a lot of credibility into my propping him up on social media um become

00:43:34.860 speaker and i'm sitting in my bathtub having a glass of wine it's thanksgiving weekend and i get a call

00:43:41.720 from the speaker and and you know naturally you wouldn't answer i said i was just tucker have you

00:43:47.360 ever been over something so much that you were just like i don't care anymore about decorum i'm gonna

00:43:51.860 answer yes yes i have i just answered the speaker's phone call butt naked in a tub did you tell him

00:43:59.660 you're butt naked i did i did tell him i was in the time like you know mr speaker right now i i it's put up

00:44:05.720 or shut up because i'm enjoying a bubble bath with wine he said i'll pray for you but he was trying

00:44:13.820 to convince me to resign what do you mean resign he said why don't you resign so this doesn't stay on

00:44:19.380 your record forever and you leave in your own terms and i said mr speaker you had just helped get him

00:44:24.580 elected speaker pretty much later he calls and says why don't you resign your seat yeah pretty much

00:44:29.300 because he's he's trying to sell it to me as if it's good for me well it sounds great it sounds

00:44:35.780 great quick lose your job yeah it's awesome lose the job you blew your entire life to get and not

00:44:41.180 even fulfill the entire term sounds like a great deal mr speaker no thank you i told him put up or

00:44:46.700 shut up you can tell the guys i said that because i'm not leaving they're gonna have to kick me out and

00:44:50.620 they proceeded to do so so how long after that did they kick you out um december 1st so i want to say

00:44:57.520 two weeks after mike johnson became speaker this was thanksgiving weekend so six days later

00:45:02.980 so he obviously knew i mean let's be honest he knew they were gonna kick you out i remember calling

00:45:09.380 guy russianthaler who i love pennsylvania congressman young guy completely overrated he he would be a great

00:45:16.360 speaker you know super young dynamic he's a deputy whip to emmer and i remember calling him and i said

00:45:23.100 guy can i just ask you a question he's like what he's like do you guys have the number

00:45:27.240 they're like do they have them he's like i don't think so george i don't think there's an appetite

00:45:30.820 for this i said all right i think they do he's like what makes you say that i'm like gut feeling

00:45:36.280 yeah right it's like three times the charm i had gone through this exercise two times prior

00:45:41.420 so i i sat there and i just said i think they have he's like i'm gonna run some traps and see the

00:45:48.140 numbers the day of i'm on the house floor and the numbers are counting the numbers are counting

00:45:53.560 and there was a stall and it didn't seem to budge and i'll get back to why it budged there's a big

00:46:01.000 reason why it budged um there's a stall and i looked at guy and i said this isn't looking good

00:46:08.620 look at how many people haven't voted that are in here just talking to one another and he's like no

00:46:13.160 no this is they're just reasoning trust me this isn't gonna happen and it happened and it happened

00:46:17.080 in a glorious way for for those who cheered you know for me to be expelled people were clapping

00:46:23.440 as you know and you're standing there oh i stood there the moment the moment i saw well your colleagues

00:46:29.920 clapped for your expulsion um pretty much the moment i started walking down the aisle as kenneth

00:46:35.280 cole put it i wore an expulsion chic outfit

00:46:37.640 i wore kenneth cole said well he understood the assignment he wore expulsion chic had the coat

00:46:47.520 over my shoulder because it's a heavy coat and i didn't want to have to hustle with it to get in

00:46:51.620 the car so i had a kind of like a quick way out right my my car was waiting at the capital steps for

00:46:57.540 me and it was just that was it very anticlimactic but did you get to clean out your office do you know

00:47:04.520 what i did i stayed in dc for thanksgiving break because i had a gut feeling i emptied my office

00:47:11.340 out on the weekend of thanksgiving when nobody was there to see it so the one thing i never gave the

00:47:15.620 media i never gave him the george santos carrying boxes out of his office i never because i i looked

00:47:21.740 at my partner i said i think they're gonna win this time and to preserve some dignity i'm not gonna

00:47:27.860 give them the defeated vision of me carrying boxes but it seems clear to me i don't know but from

00:47:33.900 what you've said that when mike johnson called you a week after you helped get him elected speaker to

00:47:38.780 say you should resign he knew that he was that you were on your way out and that he was gonna play

00:47:44.120 he clearly played a role in that that was literally the reason i decided to empty my office so was that

00:47:49.040 call it was that call yes so why wouldn't he just be straightforward with you it sounds like he's

00:47:55.080 lying because it's politics i know but you can't tell someone you're gonna pray for them and then

00:47:59.860 lie you can't very christian of him it's not it's not it's just not you can't invoke god and then lie

00:48:07.580 like that's not you don't do that that's not a good idea it's it but i've learned one thing about

00:48:12.380 these people in congress it wasn't very christian of him then just like it wasn't very mormon of

00:48:16.780 mitt romney calling me a sick puppy so it wasn't very mormon of him to be so demeaning towards me

00:48:23.680 so or tell me romney called you a sick puppy oh he told me to sit in the back of the room that i if i

00:48:28.100 were to stay that i should serve in shame in the back of the room i said nobody puts baby in the

00:48:32.040 back of the room that's not very mormon of you and he called me an ass and i called him it's a

00:48:36.900 very famous exchange between us at the state of the union because it's my first state of the union yes

00:48:42.460 i was center aisle seat i saved that seat and tim burchett says well you fought for this seat you

00:48:48.660 keep this seat i'm not moving burchett said that oh i'm so glad you're telling me this again i'm not

00:48:55.160 endorsing anything i'm not all i'm endorsing is decency toward other people and i got a lot of

00:49:01.140 self-righteousness which i hate and is always a sign of rottenness i'm not a choir boy i don't make

00:49:07.980 representations to be one i am flawed i have made stupid decisions that i regret why do you think

00:49:13.760 burchett was so kind to you you know because i don't think it's not like his constituents are the

00:49:19.400 same as your constituents absolutely not tim burchett is a special man in in more ways than

00:49:25.500 one can explain um i i would equate it to him just being a good human being a good following christian

00:49:33.140 that actually follows christianity i believe that because he reached out to me through marjorie

00:49:38.820 taylor green on december 22nd 2022 after i had taken two antidepressants after i walked out of the

00:49:46.000 fox news van and got my ass handed to me by tulsi cabbert on your show i wasn't there that day

00:49:52.420 i love tulsi as you know but i that was not my position she was sitting in for me that no that's

00:49:57.920 totally fine and i hold no animosity clearly i'm not her friend but no i that that became clear in

00:50:04.080 the course of the interview so sometimes when people sell products on tv i love this product i use

00:50:10.160 this product there's the question in the mind of the viewer does this guy really use the product

00:50:14.760 does he really love the product would he keep the product at home that's my dogs yes now we are in

00:50:20.880 a garage uh i'm gonna tell you where it is because again this is prepping but this is my garage there's

00:50:28.220 a gun safe and this is a part of my stockpile of ready hour completely real the second i put it here

00:50:35.240 the second ready hour sent it to me i felt peace of mind um because no matter what happens we're not

00:50:41.320 going hungry in my house i moved a lot of fishing gear out of the way to keep it in my garage and

00:50:46.260 ever since it's been here i have felt the peace of mind that comes from knowing my family's not

00:50:51.100 going hungry no matter what last country supply.com last country supply.com it can be in your garage

00:50:57.540 along with the peace of mind that comes with having it but um it was marjorie she's like that was rough

00:51:04.440 i said i didn't watch it i experienced it i don't need to watch it so she's like tim birchard from

00:51:11.100 tennessee really wants to talk to you can i give him your number i said sure call i i didn't even know

00:51:15.620 who who or what a tim birchard was and this man comes on the phone and is so kind and so

00:51:21.700 he extended not just the hand he extended uh like a actual uh body for you to to know you can rely

00:51:30.960 and believe it or not we end up being diagonally positioned from one another in our offices it's

00:51:37.380 like maybe 40 feet away from his door wow and i and i took advantage of that because that's where i

00:51:42.520 would run for refuge many times and seek counseling guide guidance from him and he was always there

00:51:47.060 why arms wide open it's amazing i don't think most people watch this know who tim birchard is i

00:51:51.340 happen to know for another reason and i was i've just been i really don't like most members but i

00:51:56.280 do like him so one of the kindest human beings you'll probably i'm thrilled to hear that so you get

00:52:00.820 elected to congress what are your first impressions of it what did you expect and what did you find

00:52:07.300 i've learned one thing for the sake of the american people it's not a serious place it's

00:52:11.960 essentially an overpaid and a very expensive high school yeah that's the energy i mean people are

00:52:18.160 pulling fire alarms people are yelling at each other on the capital step the stoners the preppy

00:52:24.280 it's just so bad and then there's a fashionesis which was i was alone in that category i felt so

00:52:30.720 alone i couldn't even get one of the lady congresswomen to like join me on that like they're

00:52:34.960 all so dull i mean i'll give anna paulina she's kind of spicy she is yeah she'll she'll put her dad's

00:52:40.320 ties on i'm like okay that's that's that's that's a look you know but we had fun you know but it was

00:52:47.080 just so it's not serious tucker i'm fun okay i am a i have a a self-deprecating sense of humor

00:52:55.260 i am larger than life but i know how to be serious when serious is required i will sit there i will

00:53:01.080 freaking give you spreadsheet charts of all the analysis as i did of a lot of the spending pork

00:53:07.420 and the spending porn that was going on and i would present this to the entire conference i'd say like

00:53:12.240 just read this over i'm being serious are we seriously are we serious about our jobs or we're

00:53:16.860 just doing messaging because at that point i learned 95 of congress at least in my time there

00:53:22.940 was messaging nothing was serious yeah nothing was serious the only time they were serious was when

00:53:28.440 the unit party joined and passed their pork scrupulous crs and i remember asking um mike johnson

00:53:36.020 this on the floor once mike why are we going on recess it's july of 2023 and we don't have the 12

00:53:43.960 individual spending bills out of the appropriations committee what's k granger doing he's like oh

00:53:49.420 it's not k granger's fault ask your speaker and i said wait what and and i proceed to go to one of

00:53:58.440 kevin's staffers i'm like why am i hearing that the speaker told k granger not to progress with this

00:54:04.760 12 individual spending bills oh george don't worry it's so complicated but we're almost there

00:54:11.980 well first of all now in hindsight we know we had a senile chairwoman in in k granger who

00:54:19.340 before she ended her term she went into a mental health care facility for seniors

00:54:24.580 she was like wandering around texas lost that's the chairwoman of the appropriations committee

00:54:30.240 the actual you know when they talk about the the power of the purse she holds the goddamn purse

00:54:36.120 she was senile she was in a memory care facility she was in a memory care facility and i empathize

00:54:41.120 with that and i feel bad of course no one's mocking her but there was that's a cover-up but so why would

00:54:47.040 the speaker allow her to be chairman of the appropriations committee that's the cover-up

00:54:51.460 mike johnson knew of this after he became speaker and so did steve scalise which i like and so did

00:54:59.480 elise stefanic leadership knew she was absent for six months her staff was still receiving pay

00:55:04.900 without doing any work this is this is this is government corruption 101 i'm gonna call it out

00:55:10.880 on both sides i don't care you and you should i don't care nobody's nobody's throwing themselves

00:55:15.600 for me to save me i'm going to prison for seven years the only person that can help me is donald trump

00:55:20.260 if he chooses to and and at that there's a bunch of people telling him not to so i why am i going to

00:55:26.320 be kind to these people and not say the truth you should be the truth will set me free tucker that's

00:55:30.740 how i totally agree with that you know so so when you go back to that and i'm having this conversation

00:55:35.700 with mike johnson that's where i also picked up a lot of respect for him because he didn't mince his

00:55:40.180 words but we find ourselves in in in this place that is not serious they're not serious about passing

00:55:47.780 a balanced budget i've noticed they're not serious about cutting i mean elon musk blew half

00:55:54.160 of his fortune by joining the government and going and being the chair of doge for what none of those

00:56:01.940 cuts have been codified by congress we're reappropriating some of these cuts that were

00:56:07.140 identified never get rid of npr funding no i mean sure the only good thing that comes out of public

00:56:13.320 broadcasting funded by the it's big bird and elmo yeah see the only good who are a little creepy if

00:56:19.480 you think about it but who cares aren't we all creepy someone someone who is it that has um

00:56:28.560 nightmares about you i forgot the actress oh that's right probably more than one yeah well but you get

00:56:34.360 what i'm saying i'm i tell you i know i'm creepy to people because they tell me on x so we're all a

00:56:40.700 little creepy did you find creepy people in congress oh tons oh really pervy i mean well

00:56:46.360 actually pervy i mean seriously if i look i don't i'm not in the business of throwing friends under

00:56:53.880 the bus right but in confidence i've had actually reporters come to me and tell me of how members

00:56:59.060 invite them to their offices oh i have a scoop for you and then make moves on them in the office in the

00:57:05.160 office in the in their office weird sex stuff going on in congress now i keep hearing about this

00:57:10.300 is that was that your experience my experience was that it's a dirty place i bought up to i can't

00:57:16.340 believe i'm giving all of this no no but i i keep hearing this from like members that i know and

00:57:21.040 it's like really i bought up to brian style the chairman of the admin uh committee one of my staffers

00:57:28.280 there's something called the cages in commerce which is a storage unit for us right those are the

00:57:34.280 congressional cages underneath underneath in the basement of every uh congressional house office

00:57:39.900 building so i was in longworth and we're like uh there's some stuff in the cages we might want to

00:57:44.360 go check before we order supplies and i'm like the cages that sounds pretty racy what's that they're

00:57:50.580 like oh no boss it's the storage unit i'm like oh okay let me go there with you guys like no boss

00:57:55.440 you shouldn't go there i'm like why and he's like well you know there's some rumors people are

00:58:01.360 going out down there and having sex i'm like wait is this serious so i know a few other staffers

00:58:08.080 from other members so i went to some chief of staffs that i've known from the campaign time you

00:58:12.040 know when you're campaigning you're talking a lot more to chiefs than you are to staff to the actual

00:58:16.000 member of course so you built those relationships as a freshman so i knew a couple of chiefs and i

00:58:19.800 like yeah it's you know it happens like i what am i gonna do be the cock blocker the sex police i

00:58:27.480 don't have time for that i'm like is there's no remedy to this they're like no i'm like why don't we put

00:58:31.640 cameras down there to to create deterrence so i approached this novel idea which is like we're

00:58:37.340 talking about installing like maybe six cameras in each one of these sections to brian style and he

00:58:42.840 says oh we don't have time to focus on this this is all based on baseless rumors then i learn that

00:58:48.220 former members were caught having sex with stuffers down in the cages and that's why cameras will never

00:58:52.820 go up no way yeah so this is this is what we're dealing with i mean the last place on earth i ever

00:58:59.780 thought i'd have to deal with sex scandals but why in the government building like everyone has a

00:59:06.300 house right can i tell you something i think part of it is this dominance fetish problem that they

00:59:11.920 have in dc what is that it's the power like we're in congress i'm a staffer of the hill and you're

00:59:19.960 coming here to service me that's the mentality whether you're a member or a staff or whatever you

00:59:25.840 know it's a dirty mentality and i'm from new york i have a high threshold for dirty and and sleazy

00:59:33.240 but even for me that kind of went like a notch above and i'm like i don't comprehend this this

00:59:42.180 is a government building we're supposed to be boring sex was never in the job description especially

00:59:48.880 like sadomasochistic tinged sex like it's about we all saw the senate twink right oh yeah the guy

00:59:56.140 having sex in the committee room i in the confirmation room of all with amy klobuchar's

01:00:01.400 how tragic what was the response to that that i was already out at that point but were you shocked

01:00:09.780 a terror i was not just shocked i'm gay right i don't want to be associated to that i i've fought

01:00:16.940 too hard to disassociate from the game inc and lgbt mafia this whole nonsense yesterday in new york city

01:00:25.000 with the gay parade none of that represents me and my partner we don't walk around in thongs in dog

01:00:31.540 masks on all four like on our on our on fours none of that represents us we don't walk around naked

01:00:39.040 well what are you achieving with that and then this kid goes in there and does this what are you

01:00:43.860 trying to achieve marginalize people who have fought like hell because if you go back to stonewall

01:00:50.480 stonewall was about rights not about promiscuous city right right so what are these people trying

01:00:57.280 to achieve creating hatred towards us that that has to be it they're marginalizing us with these acts

01:01:02.500 so a person like that twink that kid from the senate confirmation room i loathe the human being like

01:01:07.740 because i instantly get bundled into a basket to quote hillary clinton of deplorables and i'm not

01:01:16.480 that what do you think that is i mean it does seem like a way to establish dominance or something like

01:01:24.380 i get to have sex in the confirmation room like there's nothing you can do about it i don't know

01:01:29.040 there's there's a hostility nothing happened he was fired but no charges nothing happened our members

01:01:35.860 of congress sleeping with each other uh there's a few yeah but consensual yeah i assume consensual

01:01:42.520 consensual adults who who are out of their you know relationships at this point can you tell who

01:01:47.840 the freaks are the freaks in congress yeah i can't you know what i'll say this to you the freakiest

01:01:54.160 member in congress is a very good friend of mine oh she is he is he is but i would not i i don't want

01:02:02.280 to go down this path let's just no no i won't i'm not going to ask you about nancy mace what is

01:02:05.960 nancy mace like i don't get along so nancy and i what is that what is the nancy mace thing i don't

01:02:12.200 know nancy mace i we used to get along yeah um in 2020 um and then she she was the first one to the

01:02:20.440 moment anything goes sideways that's when you see people who were really your friends she decided to

01:02:25.400 go totally sideways on me and use me as a punching line and all that but didn't vote to expel me

01:02:30.020 didn't vote to expel me and i respect her for that but you know nancy is just i mean

01:02:37.260 i can't explain it that according she seems very unhappy there is a kind of exhibitionism but it's

01:02:45.940 not just exhibition there's something really sad she doesn't need to show herself naked her tits do

01:02:50.200 it for her they're massive like is that true like her tits show up before she does any if she's turning

01:02:56.900 a door you'll see her boobs first and you're like oh that's mace are they are they famous in

01:03:02.700 congress they're pretty well known all around the country at this point have you not seen the videos

01:03:07.680 and again not not shaming not body shaming i think if she's happy with that that's for her but i'm just

01:03:13.180 trying to say you don't need to show yourself naked to get the attention just put a nice little

01:03:17.940 cleavage like you usually do and it works well you know like if it's attention her currency that's

01:03:23.280 it's a fact her staff will tell you that if you speak to former staff of hers your mind will blow

01:03:28.360 what do they say that she's an attention whore a self-aggrandizement maniac

01:03:32.820 that's all they say every last one of her former staffers will say that

01:03:39.040 every last even by the standards of congress that's the scary part they say that it goes beyond and these

01:03:46.580 are people who've worked for other people remember we're all megalomaniacs but for her to stand out

01:03:53.400 it's a very special situation you know we're all megalomaniacs that's not up for question and if

01:03:59.340 anyone tells you they're not then they shouldn't be putting their name on a ballot because it takes

01:04:03.160 a special kind of megalomania to say pick me i'm the best for you no i totally agree i could never do

01:04:12.160 that it's like although i think you'll be president one day i don't think i'm the best but i think but

01:04:16.840 nobody is the best i'm not but i think you will be i feel sad i i just want to be super clear because

01:04:24.740 i know nancy mace will see this and i have nothing against nancy mace and i'm not attacking her at all

01:04:29.480 i just feel a sad it's like that seems like a super unhappy person who should pause address whatever

01:04:38.400 is making her show naked pictures of herself or talk about her sexual assault or alleged sexual

01:04:43.340 assault or all that kind of behavior i'm like you should not be in a leadership position okay number

01:04:48.000 one you are not settled inside take care of herself you shouldn't be in charge of other people like are

01:04:53.580 you joking how can you have a system that elevates unhappy like obviously crazy unhappy people to

01:04:59.560 positions of authority that's not a that's not a working system it explains her turnover oh is it high

01:05:04.520 it's the worst by by metrics it's the worst turnover of among staff in congress of all congress people

01:05:14.140 she has a worst turnover yeah that poor woman well i i hope whatever she needs again i i mean i don't

01:05:20.020 have i don't hold an ounce of animosity right no i say this i say this jokingly because it's funny i mean

01:05:25.940 yeah no and i i will not miss a joke if i could make it so it's not to degrade or demean or shame her

01:05:31.880 but she's definitely traumatized and and maybe there's a lot of truth to what this criminal alleged

01:05:37.800 criminal ex-boyfriend did to her and it really hurt this woman because yeah she's not the same

01:05:42.140 woman i met in 2020 but you don't get to lead my country well that's i mean i feel like we should

01:05:46.600 be led by sober responsible people who think longitudinally who have squared away personal

01:05:53.120 lives and people who love them people to whom they're accountable grandchildren like normal people

01:05:57.580 property owners people are vested in the country not people who are acting out their self actualization

01:06:03.760 or whatever on stage key word sober oh is there a lot of partying up there oh yeah i mean

01:06:10.300 the amount of alcohol the sheer volume of alcohol in congress is staggering i know and some of them are

01:06:19.480 some of them have been caught by it alcoholics a lot of them and some of them are great no great

01:06:24.380 people and and alcoholism is a is a disease that i it's very sad and in there so i get it no i get

01:06:30.940 no look i will say this um i like i drink i'm not an alcoholic per se uh per se you know or or by the

01:06:40.080 standards of congress i could never be an alcoholic because i can't drink uh half a bottle of scotch in

01:06:45.060 one sitting or three bottles of wine like i've seen some of these guys crush it i'm like two glasses in

01:06:51.540 and i'm just like guys in leadership too dude it's no i know them i heard from one the other night who

01:07:00.080 i like so much nice man he's texting me late night about something totally bizarre not bad and not

01:07:07.080 creep or anything but just was clear he was drunk but you know it's the bottle texting you loaded

01:07:10.780 loaded sentimental stuff like that and i'm like oh so you noticed that a lot well i smelled it a lot

01:07:17.280 actually yeah it was so bad everything is a party right so think of all those late nights voting right

01:07:27.220 some members tucker would show up so wasted they would have to sit in the cloakroom and hand their

01:07:37.120 voting cards to sober members to go do their job actually yeah and that's actually against house

01:07:43.260 rules i've seen that in my in my cloakroom i know it happens in the democrat cloakroom because i've

01:07:48.900 exchanged notes with the fellow freshmen he's like it happens here too it's a shit show so yeah i've i've

01:07:55.580 watched groups of some of my colleagues some guys who i genuinely like a lot sit in the corner of the

01:08:01.500 cloakroom completely inebriated incapable of walking outside standing still sticking their car and

01:08:09.560 pressing yay or nay and back especially when we had long amendment battles with like you know 70

01:08:15.720 amendments yeah they just hand their cards and say just vote whichever we're gonna vote i mean it's the

01:08:21.340 only thing i just don't make me look crazy i've seen it you know i've personally seen it so and

01:08:29.060 nobody's ever probably gonna have the cojones to come here and tell you that they have i mean

01:08:33.480 clearly no one has respect for the institution zero zero i mean members leave dc to go back home

01:08:41.860 sometimes under like the hush hush but they're still voting because someone else is voting for them

01:08:47.660 that's criminal that actually happens yeah that happens i've seen it well that's illegal well that's

01:08:54.980 what i said it's criminal wow you know it's not hard to pull up flight logs and do like a tabulation

01:09:02.420 of like wait how could you be in two places at the same time the faa keeps strict flight logs yes they do

01:09:09.120 it's not very hard to prove that what i'm saying is fact it's just do an investigation and you'll see

01:09:15.920 what why don't congressional reporters ever write any of this stuff it's hard to know to their defense

01:09:22.680 it's it's hard to know if a member is there or not it's a imagine 450 435 people from a bird's eye

01:09:31.940 view when you're in the gallery they look like ants right they're just like scrambling and wait i didn't

01:09:36.580 stay still i would go from one end to the other it's impossible to keep track the way they keep track

01:09:41.940 is oh they must be here they voted do you know how many times i would go in through under the so the

01:09:48.420 dais is here and you have the reporters on top of it in the gallery sometimes i would come right

01:09:53.200 underneath there there's a little slip there to vote they wouldn't see me because i didn't go to

01:09:57.560 flight vote because i was giving an interview out or i was on a phone call and you can't talk in the

01:10:01.800 chamber so i'd put it in my pocket go in there look up oh this is a vote vote go back out there continue

01:10:06.540 my phone call they would never see me but they're seeing my vote go up so like oh he's here somewhere

01:10:11.480 that's that's why they get away with it you know what about all the others i mean just the general

01:10:16.400 vibe of it i don't live there i don't know a hundredth of what you know but just from dealing

01:10:23.060 with members of congress a lot by text or on the phone it seems kind of out of control it is yeah

01:10:28.940 it feels that way it's a frat house gone rogue it feels that way and not in a fun way either um at

01:10:34.560 her expense yeah at our expense exactly that's but i never when was the last time politico wrote that

01:10:41.120 piece like the reporters don't really seem to write about this i don't think there's an appetite

01:10:46.460 because there's a currency of access in dc that reporters are a pigeonhole to and ethics has gone

01:10:54.240 out the window for reporters in large because if they actually do the hard bangers the ones that are

01:11:00.060 in dc do the hard bangers they lose access the outlets don't want that so what there's an outsourcing

01:11:06.220 that happens right so they'll get a whiff of something give it to their editors and say i

01:11:11.760 can't write this but find someone but then when you're outsourcing it and the person isn't there

01:11:16.200 and doesn't have access the story doesn't get written without confirmation you can't get a second

01:11:21.440 and a third to confirm you know it's tough for them to write it it is tough so it's there's there's

01:11:26.800 an ethics issue that's going on in congress and reporting for a while now i i believe that the

01:11:34.460 answer to the question i asked at the outset which is why did they decide to destroy you not that you

01:11:41.000 did nothing wrong but your sins compared to the sins of your colleagues didn't really stand out in

01:11:46.000 my opinion at all i was a great volleyball player so that's it so i just want to ask you about that so

01:11:53.320 the reason i wanted to interview those before i got fired from fox and i never got to the interview

01:11:57.400 but i just wanted to tell you i thought that was the funniest thing i'd ever heard that was like

01:12:01.900 dada that was like performance art that was just incredible um on the volleyball team at baruch

01:12:08.180 that's like i wish i'd thought of that i'm sorry i know i will be attacked for being nihilistic or

01:12:13.120 making fun of serious things but i did think that was funny i don't care but i think you may have

01:12:19.080 infuriated people by mocking the system itself this is my kind of pet theory i know it's kind of

01:12:25.740 oh no it's a it's it's my theory oh is it okay so tell me what do you so the volleyball story a lot

01:12:31.700 of people don't understand so what is the volleyball story tell us about i had a gop chairman in the

01:12:35.600 district um joe cairo who's a sports fanatic notre dame grad still live he's like 80 and he still lives

01:12:42.540 in the dawn of notre dame he's he used to what do you whistle like referee i guess games until he

01:12:48.720 got injured so he couldn't but he still goes to the games very big football fit every second word

01:12:55.300 out of his mouth is a sports analogy yeah i don't like football i go to watch baseball but i don't

01:13:02.660 understand the plays too much but i enjoy the the sport it's all american right yeah yeah i know

01:13:08.940 everything about volleyball but i've never really played because i never really went to college

01:13:12.980 so i said i'm just gonna make up i went to college played volleyball and i can have some sports

01:13:18.580 analogies and he'll like me and it worked i'm sorry it was it was supposed to be a little white

01:13:25.200 lie just to create proximity with one guy but then he started talking about how i was a volleyball star

01:13:31.440 i'm like fuck this went completely and then i like literally started googling like oh baruch played

01:13:39.580 harvard they beat them i'm like that's all i could think of you know sadly it's the truth you know like

01:13:46.360 i fucked up i i i fell into the there's no such thing as a white lie tucker i think that's true

01:13:51.740 there's no such thing there's no white little lie just so no you don't hurt feel no no no the truth is

01:13:56.960 imperative because i am i went from being known by my friends as being a blunt asshole

01:14:02.620 to becoming liar liar pants on fire and it's so shocking some of my friends tell me that they're

01:14:09.980 like george how do you go from being the guy who would eviscerate people to their face to now being

01:14:14.520 called a liar i'm like i don't know you think the politics my favorite was you had said or you were

01:14:23.700 perceived you have said i have no idea what you actually said but people would say he pretended

01:14:28.280 to work at goldman sachs and he didn't as if working at goldman sachs was something to be proud

01:14:34.440 so that that was another thing that's hilarious to me like they're mad that you didn't work at

01:14:39.940 goldman sachs like what that's where tulsi actually really got me oh she did and i tried to explain and

01:14:45.540 then i said it's just gonna go everybody's head i've worked for a company and we contracted work

01:14:50.380 with them for the sake of embellishing and everybody embellishes their resume that's an

01:14:56.020 actual fact i'm not saying you should but everybody likes to make them feel a little bit more important

01:15:00.520 so i put it on there oh my god that was so bad oh big mistake never embellish for me never embellish

01:15:07.420 well i'm so grateful you didn't work at goldman sachs in fact you should get a tattoo that says i did

01:15:11.420 not work at goldman sachs just to brag about or city city group can you imagine imagine anything

01:15:18.500 more shameful it's it's today actually i'm embarrassed to ever had said that i like thinking

01:15:25.860 to myself today i'm like of all things to lie or to embellish why would i embellish because if you

01:15:31.860 were like an only fans performer or just like a straight more honest straight walker you could at

01:15:35.920 least say like i ran out of money whatever if you work at city bank or goldman like it's hard to

01:15:40.860 explain like i wouldn't want one of my children to come home and say i took a job at goldman

01:15:44.280 i would be really upset no i don't blame you sorry no no i don't blame you it's like working

01:15:49.580 for black rock and black stone it's it's it's these these mega corporations are part of the

01:15:54.720 problems we have today i completely agree so but you think that making a mockery of what the rest of

01:16:02.500 them pretend to hold sacred is what made them hate you i exposed the theater yeah and you know it's

01:16:12.800 funny and i say this because i do you know when you look up to someone really well like and and

01:16:20.260 you're like this is a stand-up guy this is somebody i admire and for me that was ryan zinke yeah always

01:16:26.780 thought he was such a stellar statesman it's the hat thing going on i think it's cool former seal

01:16:33.440 former seal secretary of the interior congressman just a good man yes do you know what's the first

01:16:40.060 things he said to me on the house floor once he's like george let me talk to you i know you're going

01:16:44.100 through some stuff but just remember this this is all theater all that matters is you have one of

01:16:49.480 the best seats in the house i completely lost respect for him like talk about never meet your heroes

01:16:57.060 yeah no i know like i sat there like oh okay haha i i left so defeated that day i remember going back to

01:17:05.980 the office i looked at my chief i'm like i i don't understand this place he's like what happened

01:17:12.060 i said this this this happened he's like oh but he's he's just trying to be funny i'm like i didn't

01:17:16.840 think it was funny i mean and i and i i'm not not laughing at jokes and that's when i started to

01:17:23.680 realize it's all theater and i expose the theater but i mean how long can this continue does anyone

01:17:29.540 there think like okay congress doesn't actually make meaningful decisions they passed all their

01:17:34.820 power to the president the executive to the agencies all the power of regulation all the real power

01:17:40.100 exists outside of congress they have only budgetary power which they don't really exercise

01:17:43.920 they don't leverage joke and they're having sex in the basement like how long does this go on

01:17:51.060 i don't think if if congress i hate using this as an example because it can be viewed as an as a

01:17:58.600 terrible way but did you ever watch a show designated survivor with keith or sutherland no essentially a

01:18:04.200 terrorist attack happens and a conspiracy happens in the country and the whole during the state of the

01:18:09.520 union the capitol's blown up yeah all governments wiped out the only person left is a designated survivor

01:18:15.320 which is a secretary of i think uh hud and he becomes president of the united states right and

01:18:22.620 it's keith or sutherland so we all get crappy housing we all move into such a well what that

01:18:27.640 show shows i'm not advocating for that but what that show kind of shows you is congress was so broken

01:18:34.580 that when they have the clean slate they bring this whole i got goosebumps talking about this but

01:18:39.780 i think what we generally need is a shake-up we need to clean house republican democrat everyone i mean

01:18:49.760 it's bad enough we have senators like chuck grassley who are like four generations removed from

01:18:54.860 the actual bulk of the working for workforce in america today who's what under 40 under 45

01:19:01.380 chuck grassley's almost 90 and he's talking about potentially running for re-election i don't know that

01:19:06.560 he'll do that but understand that and i love chuck grassley me too tons of sacrifices but i get it

01:19:13.100 we we need to learn how to let go we can't all diane feinstein it you know and and to may

01:19:19.160 may she rest in peace she was a trailblazer in her own right you know i disagree with her but she was

01:19:26.300 a strong woman went to congress became a senator whatever i disagree with her policies but she served

01:19:31.300 her country in the best way she thought she did but why are we letting these people die in office

01:19:36.160 in in such it's like watching joe biden it was elder abuse the whole presidency was elder abuse

01:19:43.180 why are we doing this to our country at what cost is this coming so i think we need a reset a great

01:19:49.920 american reset and that means everybody needs to just not run for re-election i don't care if you're

01:19:55.120 a freshman today we just need a real reset i want i try to convince them to pass a bill that would say

01:20:03.300 every congress if that congress fails and it's not my bill but if that congress fails to balance the

01:20:09.600 budget which is its sole duty and obligation every member therefore would be ineligible for re-election

01:20:15.740 i was laughed at by every single person i propose this to i bet you were i was laughed at i mean we

01:20:22.560 were promised term limits which i support i have some issues with it because the moment you pass term

01:20:28.960 limits you're handicapping the choice of the people and deferring the power to staff which is

01:20:35.480 dangerous exactly it's a very dangerous move so there needs to be provisions in term limits that

01:20:40.520 also move on to staff and what capacity they can serve for how long because we already have an issue

01:20:46.380 with staff in dc which is what lobbyists wine and dine committee directors more often than they do

01:20:53.140 members do you know why of course they slip in the pork because they make the decisions and nobody

01:20:58.300 knows members aren't reading bills unless you're thomas massey and chip roy nobody's reading bills

01:21:02.980 i did they don't read them no i did do you know why i had no committees i was bored why did you have no

01:21:10.460 committees i i i stepped down from committee assignments because i genuinely believed it would

01:21:17.920 really hurt the work of the committee i tecker i had a tale of 60 reporters at days harassing so you

01:21:26.040 i i'm so and pardon my aging memory you were under so you get elected in 22 yep you came in january 23

01:21:37.420 and you're out by december 23 so that means 11 months 11 months and you got there and you were

01:21:45.100 already in the middle of the swarm yeah for i had been already 10 days since the new york times story

01:21:50.880 broke wow so when i showed up you don't understand there's a video of me i look like dora the explorer

01:21:58.600 i had a book bag i like wearing book bags but this particular one was from my 2020 election that i almost

01:22:03.920 got elected and then the absentee ballots reversed the result long story so it was the house gop conference

01:22:12.000 one and i said on my first day this time around i'm gonna wear that dumb bag so i had the book bag

01:22:17.520 on my back like literally like first day at school kind of like vibe had my staff with me and we're

01:22:23.900 walking to my office when we turned the corner at least 50 reporters cameras uh i forgot what they're

01:22:31.820 called those bigger cameras that do live feeds i mean you wouldn't believe it we couldn't open our

01:22:37.540 door without tripping over reporters and this was from the very first day january 3rd damn and then

01:22:44.800 if you go back to the speaker's vote um as we're going through all those rounds you would think that

01:22:52.480 i was the main subject of the of the vote because c-span cameras were all if i moved all the cameras i

01:22:59.440 remember joking matt gates is like george santos moved look you know where he's sitting because

01:23:06.300 the cameras are pointing in that direction i don't know if it was matter for his large somebody said

01:23:10.860 that i actually i don't think it was mad i think it was someone else who said it but it was like the

01:23:15.260 cameras kept moving in whichever which direction i went like if you go back to the coverage of the

01:23:21.720 speaker's vote it's like me plastered everywhere in in a very uncomfortable way like i was scratching my

01:23:28.300 nose and people said i was picking my nose i'm like i'm scratching my nose do you think there's

01:23:33.120 anything a democratic member of congress could do to get expelled would do you think a hundred

01:23:38.400 republicans would vote for the expulsion of a democrat for for anything i mean assault somebody

01:23:43.560 and they're still there i i reject the notion of expulsion great i i i wrote a piece uh recently and i

01:23:50.240 ran it on the south shore press on the case of uh la monica mciverson i reject any notion of

01:23:56.160 expelling her i think she needs to be afforded due process just because obviously just because you

01:24:00.680 set bad precedent with me doesn't mean one size fits all and that gets people a little like off

01:24:04.820 guard when i say that because they would think i i want to see everybody expelled no i believe in

01:24:09.200 the constitution i believe in due process a hundred percent she needs to have due process the people

01:24:14.060 rule they'll decide who serves she acted like a thug don't get me wrong outside that ice facility i

01:24:19.040 couldn't agree more but she has due process that's exactly and alina hobb is delivering it

01:24:24.640 yes so in the end you were the doj was as tough on you the democrat controlled doj as they're your

01:24:36.800 some of your republican colleagues i mean merrick garland supervises case directly directly directly

01:24:44.700 directly i mean my attorneys were talking to the doj attorneys and they say okay we got to go back to

01:24:49.660 the ag and see if this works damn and so that's that's a lot it's a lot of pressure now i understand

01:24:55.320 probably why i'm a city member of congress now that's that kind of checks but you would think

01:25:00.540 that that would be more hands-off once i was expelled it continued the same everything was

01:25:04.800 run through the ag they had zero agency the one thing that brings cause for pause is the amount of

01:25:12.320 discrepancies throughout this entire process i had um exculpatory evidence being withheld for 14 months

01:25:18.600 significant not just nominal significant exculpatory evidence being withheld for 14 months uh motions

01:25:24.940 ignoring supreme court rulings i mean we go it's a laundry list um i'm being forced tucker to pay back

01:25:34.000 200 and somewhat dollar 200 and somewhat odd thousand dollars back to the nrcc money that i've never seen

01:25:42.200 it was used towards my campaign um and the nrcc in its own admission says they would have spent the money

01:25:48.480 that's the bare minimum they spend anyway because my polling numbers were good the doj says they only

01:25:54.280 spend it under false pretenses because i said i was something i was not so nrcc is not national

01:25:59.780 republican campaign yeah committee yeah is not asking you this but i'm being forced the doj is

01:26:05.960 requiring is forcing me because they needed that number in order to get the points higher to get to

01:26:11.100 the 87 month sentence oh it's also grotesque by the way i forgot to ask you what did your colleagues

01:26:16.800 think of trump like behind the scenes what do they say about oh i i love seeing the fakery you know i

01:26:23.660 if i if i if i got a dollar for every time i heard somebody say he's not going to get elected this is

01:26:28.960 nonsense we need to move on from him i'd be a billionaire be able to pay your legal fees absolutely

01:26:36.260 i probably wouldn't be going to prison you feel the fraudulence you know so i mean look mark green

01:26:42.700 is one the chairman of the homeland who's now stepping down because he's doing some gold deal

01:26:47.640 in guyana but is still serving while he's negotiated employment terms don't even get me started on that

01:26:55.880 one he's negotiating a gold deal in guyana while still in congress yes and he's notified the ethics

01:27:00.840 committee according to his own public statements and everything is kosher they're aware that i've

01:27:05.160 already have employment terms secured i'm like you're lobbying for a new job while still holding a

01:27:11.540 position of public trust that's that's per se freaking criminal i would say i mean what are we doing so

01:27:20.400 so so you know you have him you have so many fraudsters there like on president trump has about

01:27:26.500 a good three dozen real allies in the house yes like that's about a real three dozen real allies like

01:27:34.100 elise stefanik marjorie right exactly those are his allies the rest they're just as dumbfounded as

01:27:40.560 probably the democrats are that he got elected and they don't like him they don't like him and they're

01:27:46.220 fake they're very fake and and it's it's this posturing and it it's painful because i know some

01:27:53.200 of the guys who work for president trump who who vet this crap and they know obviously they need to play

01:27:58.340 nice or else they're gonna stall his agenda so so i'm not here to tell the president to go scorch earth

01:28:03.320 on them but i just want him to know you know there's a lot of fake people there people who who were

01:28:09.620 literally trashing him i mean it just what do you think mike johnson thinks of him i mean look i'll

01:28:16.240 say this about mike i know mike is a supporter because he let he was in his his his um expose his

01:28:22.120 um he was in the courtroom well not just the courtroom forget that i can tell you a bunch of

01:28:28.080 those who showed up there who really care for trump he was in his impeachment defense team right so

01:28:33.560 right if you're putting yourself no i agree first term if you're putting yourself in that position you

01:28:38.520 care for the guy like lee zeldin cares for him you know like i think president trump's biggest allies

01:28:43.200 are already around him with the exception of elise who i kind of feel got a raw deal with what happens

01:28:48.480 or she should be the un ambassador i don't understand what that was about oh yeah i it's it's backstabbing

01:28:53.660 i mean elise is a knife holder she's the new knife holder in congress everybody backstabbed her on that

01:28:58.620 that that wasn't that wasn't by design that was that was purposefully done to hurt her and i think

01:29:05.060 it's really wrong what they did to elise who did it do you think look the speaker i know lobbied

01:29:10.020 begging for him to stop pulling from the house and ask him to reconsider elise and i have that on

01:29:14.800 good authority i mean nobody gave me receipts but i spoke to enough people once you hear something

01:29:19.820 from more than three people and it's the same exact words you start believing that it's credible and i

01:29:26.000 think that's the standard for reporting right yeah it was the standard in life you don't need to give

01:29:30.380 me a receipt or a text message or a recorded phone call because if three different people

01:29:35.520 within a specific spectrum right in dc all were able to and i didn't just hear it from three i

01:29:42.300 heard it from about four or five and they all said the same thing that the speaker was asking him to

01:29:46.860 reconsider because he was concerned about what was going to happen in her primary up there for in her

01:29:51.080 special election up there i believe he's culpable and and that's why i believe he bought back the

01:29:56.520 position of the chair of the conference uh the chair of leadership you know because it's it's guilt

01:30:02.700 again i'm not accusing him of anything nefarious no i get it i'm just explaining that math is hard

01:30:09.560 and and this math was simple if she left and that special election went to hell that meant we wouldn't

01:30:15.800 have one more seat and that would have made things even more tight so i don't think that's crazy i mean

01:30:21.680 that seems like a totally legitimate explanation and rumors are she's very unhappy as she should be i

01:30:27.920 would i would be a bull with tits i would see red everywhere i go i don't know how she's still

01:30:36.380 smiling on camera i'd just be sour people enjoy serving in the house some do i did despite everything

01:30:44.140 it was an honor of a lifetime um i don't think i'd ever do it again um because i don't think

01:30:50.420 there's anything happening there that i i think i can be more effective out here um than in there

01:30:56.740 you know educating people on how it works and how dirty it is because i still have i will i will be

01:31:01.760 well sourced in the house for at least another decade and a half right with time it dwindles down

01:31:07.980 but i will be well sourced at least with for a decade and a half a lot of people who came in this

01:31:12.300 congress i already knew them too um from trying previously or just from knowing them from you know

01:31:17.400 the maga world so again there's always that so there's some people who enjoy it i enjoyed it very

01:31:24.700 much it was an honor of a lifetime i'm a people person i love helping people it's it's something

01:31:28.960 i enjoy and that job gave me the official authority to help people and yeah and i found it very fun i mean

01:31:35.120 i had wednesdays we would and i would answer calls in my office again remember tucker i had no

01:31:40.040 committee assignments so i was pretty free so i started answering phone calls every wednesday

01:31:44.500 and just like pick up the phone pick up the phone phone rang like i just be like uh the office of

01:31:49.240 congressman george santos how can i help you who's this i'm like this is a congressman no way

01:31:53.340 you pick up your own phone while everybody abandoned i'm like no everybody's busy the phone

01:31:59.980 was ringing and i'm available how can i help you people would be so shocked because a lot of these

01:32:04.740 times it was just agitators calling to nag and i'm like how can i help you well you know congressman

01:32:10.220 listen i i take great issue with you but i'm actually shocked you answered your own phone i'm

01:32:14.440 like i mean what's wrong with answering your own phone i'm not a a lord with a pointy hat sitting in

01:32:20.280 a throne i'm like i answer my own phone so i would have very interesting conversations uh i regularly

01:32:28.400 regularly when i was not in dc uh i kept the schedule of nine to five in my district office

01:32:33.580 i showed up to work every day and my staff my chief of staff would find that so strange being

01:32:38.300 a veteran on the hill and my even my district director who worked for glee selden previously

01:32:42.760 for four four terms eight years found that very odd like sir you don't have to be here do you have

01:32:49.300 any events any public agenda i'm like no but i'm on paper i'm on i'm on the clock i'm getting paid so

01:32:54.700 what can i do to help and they'd sit there very uncomfortable i mean i'm i'm the principal and

01:32:59.860 i'm sitting there and it's a small space and it's just like all stiff on the computer i'm like guys

01:33:04.580 you can act normal please don't pretend you're busy because if you're not busy then that means

01:33:09.540 you're ahead on the work but if you if you're backed up let me help and i did constituent work

01:33:14.700 i don't care i totally love that people would walk by like you actually show up i'm like yeah

01:33:19.860 come on in you want some water i got diet coke in the back i got snacks i kept the hefty stockpile

01:33:26.800 of snacks on the taxpayer dime because it was for the taxpayer what kind of snacks i pirate booties

01:33:33.600 was a big favorite uh it's like an organic puff of i don't i think it's a organic popcorn i i'm very

01:33:40.940 conscious about labels so yeah seed oils or those things are no no no no extreme dyes so i'm like very

01:33:48.080 in line with the maha movement right uh in congress i compared uh dan and nutrition facts label from

01:33:54.000 america yogurt and one from europe europe has five ingredients the american one and for strawberry

01:33:59.980 yogurt the american one had everything but strawberries and like 19 ingredients so at least

01:34:06.480 so i would keep a lot of pirate booties and some hershey kisses try to keep it really fun for people

01:34:12.120 i saw over here you keep dry fruit i'm a big dry fruit guy like dry fruit i love dry fruit i don't

01:34:17.260 know if it's good for you but i like it mango dry fruit the best did you ever see the brand peeled

01:34:22.280 yeah we've got some over there it's so good i buy that by the bags

01:34:25.720 i love it i don't know that it's really good for you but it's really high fructose for sure but so

01:34:32.500 good yeah i like it too much so i know it's not good yeah anything i like it's not good that's kind

01:34:37.240 of me so you're going away in 24 days i asked you off camera that i know a million people go to

01:34:43.160 prison i know more people go to prison than most people and i always ask everybody the same like

01:34:48.120 you don't think you deserve the sentence you think you got screwed in your case i agree with you i'm

01:34:53.760 a first time offender no it's it's nuts i wasn't even given those credits so why not i mean if they're

01:35:00.120 not if the system's not going to be fair then why do you have to play along with the system why don't

01:35:03.660 you just split i'm proud i'm extremely proud i'd rather go down with the ship like the same way

01:35:11.200 that i i said put up or shut up and didn't leave and then quit i don't run i don't split and i could

01:35:16.060 right and that's why they called me a flight risk and they sequestered my passports um because i'm a

01:35:21.940 dual citizen by birth but i was born here but my parents are are you know legal immigrants to this

01:35:27.140 country and i from where brazil um and and through grant my grandparents i also i'm legally a belgium

01:35:34.440 citizen um so they sequestered my documents and all of that and here we are i i but you never

01:35:41.600 seriously considered never stowing away to antwerp inquire um reach out the rag reached out i was still

01:35:48.640 in office and saying that he he had gotten a tip that i was planning to flee and this was like i i want

01:35:55.840 to say june of 2023 that he had multiple sources confirming that i had plans to flee in a private

01:36:01.960 jet and i was going to split the country and i was i had just been indicted probably a month earlier

01:36:07.760 and i i called that my my comms director told me this i said let's call this guy i put all my lawyers

01:36:16.900 on the line put the call on speaker called him from my office phone i had my chief of staff my my um

01:36:25.600 communications director my deputy chief of staff my operations director and uh my my senior advisor

01:36:33.200 all sitting in the room and i said hi how can i help you oh congressman this is inquire i'm the

01:36:38.060 chief editor forgot the loser's name could care less uh and he says i have uh on good authority that

01:36:45.200 you're planning to flee in in a week or two in a private jet that you arranged

01:36:49.520 i'm gonna keep it pg here but i said and who told you this marvelous story mary poppins you

01:36:58.200 effing inbred like and then it went from there and i said i dare you to publish it i will sue you

01:37:06.000 i will bankrupt i will own your fucking rag and my my attorney's in my ear he's like congressman that's

01:37:13.400 not no no no you're provoking him and then i'm like and furthermore i will hunt down your entire

01:37:19.580 goddamn sorry lineage fucking do it i dared him it never happened i hung up the entire staff goes to

01:37:28.320 me he's like that's not how this call was supposed to go i'm like you know what i'm tired of playing

01:37:32.680 by whatever recommendations you guys well i mean a call like that from a journalist um is almost always

01:37:39.580 inspired by a call to him from somebody else he's doing the bidding of somebody else they're like

01:37:43.280 he doj is encouraging this right they want the story to be out there that you're considering

01:37:49.180 fleeing the country so they can just like cnn was informed that i was indicted before i was

01:37:54.420 no way two hours before we were notified of the indictment my attorney joseph murray got a call

01:38:01.720 from cnn saying hey i heard uh george james is indicted uh what are you doing and he's like i'm sorry

01:38:08.320 this is news to me the guy goes silent two hours he's like hey now i know you've been notified that

01:38:13.860 he's been indicted and my attorney's like what is going on cnn knew two hours prior to me getting

01:38:20.080 so disgusting so how do you feel about it i mean looking at this long stretch i tucker can i be

01:38:27.440 honest with you you will um i don't know that i survive it they're putting me in a violent prison

01:38:33.380 it's a medium facility i'm not a street wise guy i don't know how to fight i'm a gay man we

01:38:40.640 statistics tell you what happens to gay men in prison i don't know that i survive this i'm being

01:38:45.700 honest i mean i can't change that um it's sad i you know i have a family i i have are you serious

01:38:52.800 i'm genuinely serious you people think i'm exaggerating when i say this i've never had to

01:38:57.980 fight a day in my life i grew up in a very sheltered life apartment kid in new york city

01:39:02.880 i i don't have wilderness i mean my experience in wilderness let's call it i like skiing you know

01:39:09.160 but but it's it's just not me i'm not that guy i don't know that i survived this i mean i am

01:39:14.860 this could be very much my last interview and i'm not trying to be over dramatic here i'm just being

01:39:19.780 honest with you i look at this as practically a death sentence to what could occur to me and we've

01:39:25.500 seen this it's not like i'm saying something out of the ordinary i'm not that i'm not built for

01:39:30.080 this and i'm not saying oh don't don't want to do the time don't do the crime this isn't about this

01:39:36.460 i this is about the type of punishment the justice system is supposed to be reformative

01:39:43.500 for people not punitive this is punitive we're supposed to dispense justice this is punitive justice

01:39:48.700 is of course absolute some things are absolutely right others absolutely wrong but it's also a

01:39:53.040 relative measure so if a rapist doesn't get seven years then a guy who's accused of mishandling

01:39:58.700 fifty thousand dollars in campaign contributions shouldn't get seven years like that's just doesn't

01:40:02.680 i mean that's part of justice right that's the crux of it right there's a scale of severity

01:40:07.980 when we describe crimes the guy who threatened and plotted to kill anna luna paulina um and

01:40:15.080 he had three years the guy who plotted to kill me got probation seriously i'm serious it's it's

01:40:23.380 public record guy down in florida i think brevard county i i chose not to ask for like some punitive

01:40:31.940 thing because he didn't actually do it or or try but he did decide device a plan and notify me of the

01:40:39.100 plan and that's why capitol police took action and he didn't get any time rapists in new york city in

01:40:47.960 new york state up in uh upstate new york there was this guy who molested nine different children

01:40:53.320 that's six months six months they're sending me for seven years and three months to prison

01:41:00.340 in a medium facility prison with known with people there who are known gang members and people who are

01:41:07.780 rapists sex offenders i should at bare minimum be in a camp i'm not saying i'm special or i deserve

01:41:14.520 special treatment it's just about i'm not a violent person i'm as i am a pacifist squared like i don't

01:41:23.040 get into physical altercations you can come in my face spit i don't have the i don't have this urge to

01:41:29.900 be violent i'm not violent i'm a total non-violent human being hence i'm also a very non-interventionist

01:41:36.380 type of person when it comes to war so this is like so bonkers um and there's nothing you can do

01:41:42.060 the only thing the only thing i can do as a human being today is pray that my uh pardon application

01:41:48.360 or clemency application commutation whatever reaches the doj on time and president trump can

01:41:53.960 act on it that's literally the only thing i think is advocating for you to do seven years who's

01:41:59.080 whispering in the president's year that you need to serve seven years in prison a few people can you

01:42:03.920 name any of course uh the county executive of nassau county bruce blakeman um the chairman of

01:42:09.220 nassau county joe cairo former congressman anthony desposito congressman nick lalota these people hate

01:42:15.000 me it's vitriolic but seven years in prison for non-violent crime some people said that it wasn't

01:42:20.620 enough there were people actually saying they didn't think it was enough there was congressman

01:42:25.020 lalota was cheering it on his social media man i think we should be careful before we cheer other

01:42:31.460 people's destruction i i completely agree that's a principle we should all remember i i didn't cheer

01:42:37.780 when they shot osama bin laden and i didn't like osama bin laden but i didn't cheer i don't cheer

01:42:41.880 anyone's death i disagreed with killing saddam hussein i thought it was a mistake well you turned out to

01:42:47.020 be you were right on that and i it was a very unpopular take at the time yeah no iran controls the

01:42:52.500 country so very very very no none of the geniuses who ever apologized for that no but just in general

01:42:57.600 wishing misfortune on other people taking pleasure in the suffering of others is not it's not a good

01:43:03.280 thing to do it's very unwise karma big time big time and the world goes around i completely and

01:43:09.380 karma comes with it and slaps you in the face it's almost like when you're in the on the the

01:43:14.660 merry-go-round and you have your hand out and you're slapping people yes that's karma on the world

01:43:18.640 totally agree it's pretty bad when i was in prison you visited me that's what you know that's what

01:43:22.660 commanded you so um do you expect to be visited and by whom so i'm not allowed to because i'm a

01:43:28.540 high profiler they call celebrity status um they only allow family members yeah i um i don't know

01:43:36.100 what my technology situation is right now if i'm going to have access to technology it that's dicey we

01:43:41.720 you know two of my employers said that they i can keep writing for them from prison they don't mind

01:43:47.740 they know that i i can figure it out and and you know which whatever access and that also helps me

01:43:53.700 be able to maintain gain myself gainfully employed to continue to support and provide for my family

01:43:58.800 which i'm a big provider for them um yeah i don't know that that's all up in the air it's they only

01:44:05.580 start talking to you two weeks out so next week is when we start to have these conversations prison

01:44:09.880 tiktok huh you ever looked at prison tiktok i have not no i haven't either but i was just hearing

01:44:14.740 about it the other day apparently prisoners are all over tiktok recording their thoughts and music

01:44:19.680 videos and stuff from prison the last thing i want to do is get caught with a phone and add more time

01:44:23.200 that's exactly right last question are you what are you doing to prepare psychologically i've tried

01:44:30.860 everything i went off i went on a hiatus i haven't done media until uh last week when mandami i was on a

01:44:37.720 six-week media hiatus and and chanel rian from oan had me to i love chanel and i said you know what

01:44:44.120 i'll give you one last we'll do a last one right and then when uh one of your production folks

01:44:51.000 called me i said i answered the phone and i i said her name uh and she's like you have my phone

01:44:55.820 number saved i'm like of course i would i don't want to say her name because i don't want to dox her

01:45:00.500 so she's like can you do it i'm like look i can do it last time you agreed to do my show it didn't go

01:45:06.080 well i told her that sorry sorry so uh i said no fill-ins right no surprises but uh all kidding

01:45:13.240 aside she was wonderful and the best and we found this was stirs in and here we are today monday it's

01:45:18.320 because i was having this conversation with somebody who knows you the right here in this barn like last

01:45:23.020 week and george say i was talking to george santo said how's george santo's doing and he's doing seven

01:45:28.520 years i was like what yeah couldn't even but i'm so out of it and i'm just and i've been so focused on

01:45:33.660 iran i'm embarrassed i didn't fully get it seven years federal yeah which means like seven years yeah

01:45:39.700 and i said to this person that's the craziest thing i've ever heard yeah it is has this gotten

01:45:44.700 a lot of attention not really no i haven't i mean the day i got sentenced they they wrote little you

01:45:52.220 know oh he sobbed in court you damn right i sobbed in court seven years of my life i mean

01:45:56.400 a big thing i'm 36 i'm going to be 37 on july 22nd and three days later i have to turn myself into

01:46:02.120 federal prison for seven years um so once the piñata party's over once they've you know finished

01:46:07.360 destroying you knocking the stuffing out of you they just it's just no one cares what happens next

01:46:11.260 yeah your name is never spoken again well we'll be here and i um i hope you you know are rescued

01:46:17.180 before you have to serve the time and i hope that if you're not um that it's redemptive and i hope

01:46:22.360 either way you'll come back i appreciate it thank you george santos good to see you ducker carlson thank

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The Tucker Carlson Show - July 11, 2025

George Santos Airs All of Congress’ Dirty Laundry in Final Interview Before Prison

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