The Tucker Carlson Show - George Santos： Being Tortured, Finding God, and Hearing of Charlie Kirk’s Murder From Behind Bars

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00:00:15.000 I honestly can barely believe that you're sitting across from me.

00:00:18.420 Last time I talked to you, you were days away from going to prison and you disappeared into the gulag.

00:00:23.600 For reasons I never quite figured out why, why, why were you going to prison in the first place?

00:00:27.220 Didn't think I was going to see you for seven years, and here you are.

00:00:31.420 Peek-a-boo.

00:00:33.120 So congratulations.

00:00:34.940 Thank you.

00:00:35.520 So start at the beginning.

00:00:57.320 What was it like you pull up?

00:00:59.140 Where were you held?

00:01:00.100 Okay, so I was held at FCI Fairton in South Jersey.

00:01:03.680 South Jersey.

00:01:04.380 Not a nice place to be.

00:01:05.240 It's New Jersey, first of all.

00:01:06.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:06.520 Let's start with that.

00:01:07.140 Sorry to anybody from New Jersey listening.

00:01:08.720 Fair, totally fair.

00:01:09.600 Not a nice place to be, South Jersey.

00:01:11.500 So I pull up to South Jersey at Fairton FCI.

00:01:13.820 And it starts with a, this is a medium facility with a satellite camp.

00:01:20.040 Now, the medium facility is a very violent prison.

00:01:22.500 I mean, very violent prison.

00:01:24.080 Ex-gang members, gangbangers, child molesters, rapists, you name it.

00:01:27.240 Murderers who've worked themselves down from a penitentiary with good behavior throughout the years.

00:01:32.200 And now they have this cozy little spa and this array of like the worst human beings on earth all sitting in this medium facility.

00:01:39.480 How many former congressmen facing seven years for campaign finance violations?

00:01:42.620 I was the first one.

00:01:45.040 Rhetorical question.

00:01:46.040 And I reckon I'll be the only one.

00:01:47.980 I hope so.

00:01:48.860 I think I'll be the only one.

00:01:50.200 And regardless of party, I will probably be the only one to ever face something so insane.

00:01:54.760 So I pull up.

00:01:55.960 It's, I go to the camp across the street from the facility, which is a satellite camp.

00:02:00.720 Now imagine a warehouse, not too different from where we're sitting now, but bare bones.

00:02:06.040 And then you have this entire dormitory, bed, cubby, little lockers, bed, cubby, bed, cubby.

00:02:14.860 And it's rows of that, right?

00:02:16.420 And that's how you live.

00:02:17.840 Those are your living quarters.

00:02:19.080 And then there's an adjacent room that has a cafeteria.

00:02:22.240 There's five TVs in there.

00:02:24.720 And even that's segregated because it's the black TV, the white TV, the Hispanic TV, and

00:02:28.900 then there's a sports TV.

00:02:30.180 And then literally what they call the CNN TV because the TV stays on CNN the whole day.

00:02:35.040 So this sounds like you just defined hell.

00:02:36.860 It's racially segregated though.

00:02:38.640 TVs.

00:02:39.100 Yes.

00:02:39.360 The remote controls are operated by people according to their race.

00:02:43.020 And God have mercy on your soul.

00:02:45.380 If you're a white guy and you go near the remote for the black people or the Spanish people,

00:02:48.900 it is all hell.

00:02:50.160 Like people will literally get stabbed with a shank if they do that.

00:02:54.120 For picking up the black remote or the Hispanic remote?

00:02:57.380 Yep.

00:02:57.940 Or the white remote for that matter.

00:02:59.260 It is very political.

00:03:00.420 So that's the environment I'm in.

00:03:02.280 Lovely.

00:03:02.900 Me, all cheery and joy.

00:03:04.220 I'm like, hi, George Santos.

00:03:05.600 Nice to meet you.

00:03:07.220 Don't talk to me.

00:03:08.260 I'm like, okay, you have a nice day.

00:03:10.420 I mean, I'm definitely not cut for prison.

00:03:12.200 Let's just be very honest.

00:03:14.200 That did occur to me before they sent you away.

00:03:17.120 So that was kind of the environment, right?

00:03:19.820 And then I start understanding that, I mean, the first day,

00:03:24.120 I walk in there, I understand that this isn't a place where people go

00:03:27.240 to be abandoned and rot and forgotten about to rot.

00:03:30.640 The ceiling is all made out of like this, how can I call it?

00:03:36.200 This canvas.

00:03:37.740 And it's all ripped up, patched up.

00:03:40.300 And there's a flap hanging open and black mold, like bubbles of black mold, almost like cotton

00:03:47.540 are just like dangling off the ceiling.

00:03:50.120 And you can see that the whole thing is compromised with black mold.

00:03:55.140 We're breathing this in, in this non-ventilated space.

00:03:59.260 This is the kind of environment that the warden maintains down in FCI Ferriton.

00:04:03.820 And this is not an indictment, by the way, on the BOP.

00:04:06.780 This is an indictment on a derelict in duty administrator who has no business doing her

00:04:11.960 job.

00:04:12.380 This is a female warden.

00:04:13.600 Female warden, Lynn Kelly, who runs the prison.

00:04:16.420 Absolutely unqualified for the job.

00:04:18.140 I mean, and I say that with confidence.

00:04:19.800 She can sue me.

00:04:20.560 I'd love to go to a deposition for calling her unqualified.

00:04:23.380 When you run a facility where the bathroom has outbreaks of ringworms and listeria,

00:04:27.440 when you run a facility that you're serving inmates expired food as far back as a year,

00:04:33.820 chicken patties that had been frozen, but expired in 2024, were still being served to

00:04:39.520 inmates in 2025.

00:04:41.840 This is in Ecuador?

00:04:43.360 No, no, no.

00:04:43.980 I thought I was in a Mexican prison.

00:04:46.040 This is the United States.

00:04:46.680 This is the United States.

00:04:47.880 But I felt like I was in a Mexican prison because everything, by the way, fun, fun story.

00:04:52.560 Beef taco, beef taco salad, chicken taco, chicken taco salad, beef fajita, chicken fajita,

00:04:57.420 are all on the menu on a constant rotation to the point you're just like,

00:05:01.860 I don't want to see another tortilla or tortilla chip in my face.

00:05:05.540 So this is the facility I was in.

00:05:08.260 You know, canned goods that were expired.

00:05:11.600 I would go to the officer in charge of the kitchen because I obviously got involved in

00:05:15.440 the kitchen right away.

00:05:16.260 Natural fit, like cooking, like entertaining.

00:05:18.120 I said, I'll go cook for these people.

00:05:20.640 This is expired.

00:05:21.280 He's like, well, you got to open it.

00:05:22.440 We take it by chance.

00:05:23.280 If it's bad, it's garbage.

00:05:25.020 If it's good, then we'll use it.

00:05:26.280 I'm like, oh, great.

00:05:27.420 Russian roulette with canned goods.

00:05:29.860 Literally.

00:05:30.460 The botulism Olympics.

00:05:31.640 Pretty much.

00:05:32.620 Yeah.

00:05:33.100 So that was day one.

00:05:35.420 Oh, yeah, the kitchen.

00:05:38.440 The kitchen is officially closed after I wrote several observations of its risks on my column

00:05:47.260 for the South Shore Press because I was still writing from in there.

00:05:51.300 And they-

00:05:52.060 Wait, you were their prison columnist?

00:05:54.360 Well, no, I'm my own.

00:05:55.480 I write for the column for the South Shore Press, which is a New York paper.

00:05:58.680 I've been writing for them for over a year.

00:06:00.720 And I would still retain that column.

00:06:03.560 And I was writing from prison, criticizing the prison I was in and documenting my journey.

00:06:09.280 Look, unfortunately, I'm known to not be scared of bucking the system.

00:06:13.460 Yeah, well, apparently.

00:06:15.180 To my detriment.

00:06:16.260 But so I criticized him and I critiqued all of these things to a massive audience that

00:06:23.280 I have as a platform.

00:06:24.820 And it subsequently led to the kitchen closure.

00:06:27.920 But what was it like before it closed?

00:06:29.980 I mean, broken equipment, absolute filth, nothing functioning, drains that backed up and bought

00:06:36.660 back the most guck you can think of, machinery that you were literally, you know, I always

00:06:45.780 thought that eating the food at FCI Ferritin was either I get some really, really bad food

00:06:51.120 poisoning and I'm going to lose a lot of weight or I might just not die.

00:06:55.480 You know, it's like, it's either or you can't, you really can't, it's inexplicable.

00:07:01.300 What's the handwashing regimen like?

00:07:03.080 There's no handwashing regimen.

00:07:04.860 It's, you wear gloves.

00:07:06.320 Who's washing hands?

00:07:07.800 They give you gloves.

00:07:08.940 They don't even give you soap to wash your hands in the kitchen because you're wearing

00:07:13.100 gloves.

00:07:14.500 But what if the gloves are dirty?

00:07:16.380 Oh no, you, it's lovely.

00:07:18.240 You should see the loveliness of how, I mean, I got in trouble because I put a pair of gloves

00:07:22.680 on, right?

00:07:23.180 And if I'm stirring a spoon and I'm doing my things and then I proceed to go open a

00:07:28.000 box to get something, once I'm done with that box, I would switch out gloves and toss

00:07:32.200 them.

00:07:32.440 But I guess I was going through gloves so fast and I got yelled at saying like, no, you

00:07:37.140 changed gloves too many times.

00:07:38.660 Like, no, you take it easy.

00:07:40.440 Once you're gloved up, you're gloved up for the day.

00:07:42.420 I'm like, what?

00:07:44.120 Like, what is going on here?

00:07:46.240 You would see these guys, like some of the inmates follow that regimen.

00:07:49.180 I don't care.

00:07:49.900 I'm like, I'm not doing that.

00:07:51.320 I eat this food.

00:07:52.300 They would put on gloves and the loveliest thing was they'd get a piece of paper, blow

00:07:57.020 their nose, wearing the gloves.

00:07:58.360 They'd open a box, they'd touch dirty, dusty cans.

00:08:01.400 And then the next thing you'd see, they're in there mushing up spices into the ground

00:08:06.200 beef.

00:08:06.540 And I'm like, it's like, I'm telling you, it's your own personal hell for a germaphobe.

00:08:12.140 It's like, that's prison.

00:08:13.540 The conditions of the kitchen were just atrocious.

00:08:16.240 It's just, it's hard to explain when you have a walk-in freezer that's constantly over-freezing

00:08:21.420 and breaking, and you have to thaw it, and then everything in it thaws, and then they

00:08:25.340 refreeze it.

00:08:26.260 And then it's like, but the chicken has expired a year, but it keeps well.

00:08:29.540 Like, you got to pretend this is all normal, you know?

00:08:31.540 So it's just remarkable.

00:08:35.500 Like, Guantanamo has better treatment for their prisoners, I assume.

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00:12:21.460 Did you whip up anything good?

00:12:23.160 I did.

00:12:23.660 I did rice pudding.

00:12:25.000 Did you actually?

00:12:25.960 I was the first person, I think, in that prison's history to have the audacity to make rice pudding.

00:12:31.020 How was it?

00:12:31.920 It was good.

00:12:32.580 It was like Diner New York style.

00:12:34.580 Like, I had rice.

00:12:36.440 I had two big cartons full of milks that were going to expire in two days.

00:12:41.100 So I said, instead of letting it go to waste, let's make something with it.

00:12:44.220 I said, rice pudding it is.

00:12:45.300 I had cinnamon, I had allspice, I had rice, I had sugar, and I had milk, rice pudding.

00:12:50.220 They loved it.

00:12:51.040 Yeah.

00:12:51.320 It's one of the great desserts, which is kind of fading.

00:12:53.880 Yeah.

00:12:54.120 And I love it.

00:12:55.060 So, I mean, I love it.

00:12:56.660 And then it's funny that I did do a flan, but I did a test flan.

00:13:02.240 It worked.

00:13:03.280 I mean, I'm ridiculous.

00:13:04.300 Trust me.

00:13:04.660 I love cooking.

00:13:05.340 I did do a flan, but it was-

00:13:07.560 But to do a flan from prison-

00:13:09.400 You can.

00:13:10.080 It takes a certain elan.

00:13:11.520 I mean, it takes a je ne sais quoi.

00:13:15.220 So, you had milk, you had eggs, you had sugar.

00:13:18.780 Again, you have the ingredients.

00:13:20.520 It's just really the chutzpah that's missing.

00:13:23.400 Yes.

00:13:24.080 And I did it.

00:13:24.580 You brought it.

00:13:25.100 I bought it.

00:13:25.860 I mean, it was, look, I baked lemon cakes with lemon icing.

00:13:30.520 I mean, I came to a place where the kitchen was delivering doom and gloom.

00:13:36.180 And my first week there, inmates were like revving about how the desserts were amazing,

00:13:41.780 how the food was better prepared.

00:13:44.360 It looked like it was prepared with care.

00:13:46.200 I'm not saying I'm perfect.

00:13:48.480 Okay.

00:13:48.800 I mean, I still had to make the grub that's on the menu, right?

00:13:52.240 But I actually bothered to peel potatoes instead of making mashed potatoes full of dirty peel.

00:13:57.180 I washed the vegetables before I worked them in-

00:14:00.060 Don't wash the vegetables.

00:14:00.880 No.

00:14:01.700 So, I actually did take precautions.

00:14:04.660 I mean, they don't wash.

00:14:05.900 They barely peel.

00:14:07.560 You know, it really depends on who's in the kitchen.

00:14:10.040 I can speak for myself.

00:14:12.680 I did.

00:14:13.960 And a lot of other inmates, just they didn't care.

00:14:16.640 But what's sad about that is that the mentality that they have is so self-destructive because

00:14:21.620 of how they're treated by the institution, they forget they're going to eat that too.

00:14:25.600 They completely are oblivious to the fact that they're going to experience and eating

00:14:30.580 the carelessness of their own, I guess, despair.

00:14:34.500 So, it's sad.

00:14:35.880 It's a very sad environment.

00:14:36.840 What were mealtimes like?

00:14:38.780 How would you rate the table manners?

00:14:40.080 Let me put it this way.

00:14:41.240 No table manners.

00:14:43.800 It definitely wouldn't, you know, I don't think we can go to dinner with, I'd say, 80% of them

00:14:49.340 to, I know, the French laundry.

00:14:51.760 Gavin Newsom would never.

00:14:54.140 So, but some people very, remember, I was in a white-collar camp.

00:15:00.120 The problem is, is President Obama changed the rules of camps.

00:15:04.560 And now you get other people that are not white-collar.

00:15:07.020 So, you get some drug dealers.

00:15:08.080 You get some, you know, violent former gang members that have worked themselves down throughout

00:15:13.460 the years in the system and their custody points have lowered.

00:15:16.120 They're on their way home.

00:15:17.360 So, they get put in a camp now.

00:15:18.840 So, I joked and I said, it's a really dark shade of white for white-collar in this camp.

00:15:23.820 Not on a racial thing.

00:15:25.240 No, no, no.

00:15:25.600 I get it.

00:15:26.060 It's definitely not white-collar.

00:15:27.620 It's off-white-collar.

00:15:28.440 It's off-white, for sure.

00:15:29.480 Because it's not all white-collar, like they like to say bankers and executives.

00:15:33.980 The only real white-collar guys I saw there were actually gold-collars because they were

00:15:38.320 Bob Menendez's co-defendants.

00:15:40.300 No.

00:15:40.820 Yes.

00:15:41.260 What were they like?

00:15:42.640 Interesting.

00:15:43.660 Very interesting people.

00:15:44.840 I mean, business guys, very intelligent guys, but very interesting to interact with.

00:15:50.680 I mean, we're talking about multi-multi-millionaires.

00:15:53.700 I mean, their gifts were gold bars.

00:15:55.400 I mean, my joke was always the same.

00:15:57.600 I'm in prison.

00:15:58.340 I didn't even get a gold bar.

00:15:59.740 No, I know.

00:16:00.600 What the hell?

00:16:01.440 So...

00:16:01.700 Were they serving long terms?

00:16:03.200 I believe one is serving a seven-year term and the other one serving a nine-year term.

00:16:07.020 But again, remember what those charges were, right?

00:16:09.180 Oh, big time.

00:16:09.760 And allegation issues.

00:16:11.500 I mean, the book, Gold Bar Bob, that came out just a couple of days before I came out

00:16:17.260 of prison is a wild read.

00:16:19.620 I mean, I had it ordered and sent to me because I just needed to read it.

00:16:23.640 The stories in there are absolutely fascinating.

00:16:26.440 And I'm sitting here reading this and looking at these two characters.

00:16:29.360 I'm like, that man did not do all this.

00:16:31.040 There's no way.

00:16:32.060 He's too dopey to do all of this.

00:16:34.140 It's just crazy to me.

00:16:35.400 But yeah, it was an enlightening group of people.

00:16:39.020 Who else did you meet?

00:16:40.200 I reconnected with a former campaign staffer of mine who ended up going to prison for something

00:16:45.040 completely unrelated to me.

00:16:47.900 But in the nature of what I believe the Merrick Garland DOJ did was he refused to play the narrative

00:16:53.780 of bashing me and cooperating against me because he had really nothing to say.

00:16:59.500 Um, so in lieu of that, they got him on a technicality on some paperwork and they threw him in prison

00:17:06.560 for a year and a day.

00:17:07.620 And that's Sam Mealy, who is a really remarkably intelligent young man who I would say made

00:17:13.900 some poor choices, but at the same time doesn't deserve to be in prison just because he didn't

00:17:18.440 narc on me.

00:17:19.400 Right.

00:17:19.540 But that's what the Merrick Garland DOJ was operating like.

00:17:22.160 Of course.

00:17:22.360 Oh, you don't help, you know, off to the, off the ramparts with you.

00:17:27.660 You're done.

00:17:28.260 It's a snitch system for sure.

00:17:29.720 It's totally a snitch system.

00:17:31.300 So as far as other people, look, I will say this.

00:17:34.060 I met this very competent man who I still struggle.

00:17:37.580 I looked at after I left prison.

00:17:39.060 I wanted to make sure this is a guy who I think would be, will be a friend in my life because

00:17:42.900 he was a very even keeled, well-spoken, respectable executive.

00:17:47.260 He was, he's a very renowned architect worldwide.

00:17:50.480 His name's Alok, um, Indian gentleman, um, former executive for United Airlines.

00:17:55.640 He got caught in a pay to play kickbacks scheme in the private sector, though.

00:18:01.500 I never thought that that was illegal.

00:18:03.300 And when I look at his thing, I'm saying, look, don't do it if there's a gray area.

00:18:07.240 Right.

00:18:07.480 So I'm not defending the, the activity, but I'm also looking at saying like, this is

00:18:12.700 protocol in the private sector.

00:18:15.280 Do you, I worked in the private sector for 10 years in private equity.

00:18:18.280 I mean, if I, if you go to my house, I'll, I'll be glad to tour the wine cellar I've

00:18:23.060 built out of gift baskets, you know, like four or five, $600 bottles of wine, two, $3,000

00:18:29.740 bottles of champagne, Pappy Van Winkle scotch.

00:18:32.560 I mean, all of this sits in my house.

00:18:34.260 I never bought that stuff, but they were gifts during my private equity days.

00:18:38.000 And they would be like, thank you.

00:18:40.100 It was a pleasure doing business with, it's not a crime, but they put this man in prison.

00:18:44.660 That's right.

00:18:44.880 So I struggle with the criminal justice system these days because I look at it and I feel

00:18:49.700 like it's an overall zealous system.

00:18:51.700 It just meant to put people in prison.

00:18:54.060 There, there has to be some monetary benefit, benefiting suppliers.

00:18:58.480 When you look at, do you know what I discovered in prison?

00:19:01.420 Keefy.

00:19:01.900 Have you ever heard of the brand Keefy?

00:19:03.500 No.

00:19:03.800 Have you ever heard of the brand Bob Barker?

00:19:06.300 No.

00:19:06.820 But you know who Bob Barker is.

00:19:08.040 Right.

00:19:08.400 Of course.

00:19:08.640 Well, Bob Barker's family or him, I don't know who started a freaking line.

00:19:14.880 Of supplies from curtains to towels, to linens, to t-shirts, to the jumpsuits we wear in prison,

00:19:21.980 all the way to the bare basic toiletries.

00:19:26.780 And it's all the Bob Barker line.

00:19:28.760 That is a multi-billion dollar federal government contract.

00:19:33.700 And those products are for prisons?

00:19:35.700 For prisons.

00:19:36.620 Exclusively for prisons.

00:19:37.820 Bob Barker's family started a prison accessory line?

00:19:41.220 Yes.

00:19:41.840 And then there's-

00:19:42.280 I've lived in this country a long time.

00:19:43.680 How did I know that?

00:19:44.320 I didn't know it until I went to prison.

00:19:47.300 Fair.

00:19:47.840 And then there's this brand called Keefy that by all accounts ties back to the Bushes.

00:19:53.440 Now they sell all the commissary stuff from coffee to toilet paper, you name it.

00:19:59.920 Like you can go down a prison commissary sheet and Keefy.

00:20:05.380 I'm like, what the hell is Keefy?

00:20:06.560 Well, apparently there's ties of it that tie back to the former president of the United States Bush.

00:20:10.940 And they've got a retail monopoly.

00:20:14.020 A massive retail monopoly in contracts with the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

00:20:18.000 So when you look at this, we currently have a system that houses approximately 250,000 Americans in federal custody.

00:20:27.220 I don't even have an idea of what state custody is.

00:20:30.140 Or local jails.

00:20:31.040 A quarter of a million Americans sit in federal custody today.

00:20:35.800 That is a business.

00:20:37.000 Not for the federal government, though.

00:20:38.520 Federal government loses.

00:20:40.040 It's a business for all of those with the contracts to those prisons.

00:20:44.300 So there is an incentive to putting people in prison somewhere along some line.

00:20:49.820 Judges might be compromised.

00:20:51.000 And I'm assuming prosecutors might be compromised.

00:20:53.360 I can't prove that.

00:20:54.920 But that's the only thing that makes sense when you're seeing people go to prison for arbitrary reasons or for purposes and timeframes that wouldn't suit the crime or are, you know, overtly unusual and cruel, which is a violation of the Eighth Amendment.

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00:25:25.120 Is the problem with it that it's dirty, disorganized, violent, corrupt, all the above?

00:25:31.720 If you were to isolate one problem with the federal prison system as you experienced it,

00:25:35.120 what would it be?

00:25:35.620 Per my experience at FCI Ferriton, and I have limited experience,

00:25:39.600 I know that there's a lot of people that I met who have hopped,

00:25:42.680 because they hop around prisons across the country.

00:25:45.300 It's insanity.

00:25:45.480 In the federal system, yeah.

00:25:46.680 Insanity.

00:25:47.180 They ship you backwards.

00:25:48.340 I mean, if you're in New Jersey, here this is, I think it's hilarious, this story.

00:25:52.460 An inmate was being transferred to New Jersey from Pennsylvania,

00:25:55.480 but first they drove him to Kentucky, up to Wisconsin, and then he brought us back to New Jersey.

00:26:02.020 Why?

00:26:02.520 I don't know why.

00:26:03.400 I don't understand it.

00:26:04.640 And that's why the BOP has a nickname for its acronym, which is Backwards On Purpose.

00:26:11.060 Even COs say it.

00:26:12.740 Really?

00:26:13.320 I learned this from a CO, from a corrections officer, not from an inmate, by the way.

00:26:17.360 They say the BOP is Backwards On Purpose.

00:26:19.860 What are the guards like, I should have asked you?

00:26:21.680 That's a great question.

00:26:23.240 The guards, 80% of them are hardworking, amazing people.

00:26:28.460 They're doing their job.

00:26:29.320 I had no quarrels with them or qualms or anything.

00:26:32.040 I mean, great people.

00:26:33.120 Matter of fact, I am only here today talking to you because of two very specific people that didn't let me walk off that ledge when I was in isolation for 41 days.

00:26:43.580 I don't obviously want to say their names because I don't want to compromise them.

00:26:47.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:47.800 You know, we don't want to.

00:26:49.120 It doesn't help.

00:26:49.560 It doesn't help them.

00:26:50.500 And they have families.

00:26:51.640 And I genuinely like these gentlemen.

00:26:53.700 They were very compassionate men who were themselves distraught and completely flabbergasted at why I was being treated the way I was being treated while I was in solitary confinement.

00:27:06.360 It didn't compute to them.

00:27:07.600 It didn't make sense.

00:27:08.500 So I'd say 80% of them are some of the best people you'll ever meet.

00:27:13.260 They're fun.

00:27:14.200 They can dish it out with the best of them.

00:27:16.780 Like, you know, on a good day, I'd pop some jokes.

00:27:19.360 They'd pop right back.

00:27:20.220 They'd clap.

00:27:20.560 And you have this very good environment because it's supposed to be rehabilitory.

00:27:25.420 It's not supposed to be punitive.

00:27:26.820 So some COs want to make your life miserable just because it makes them happy.

00:27:32.880 And they live and relish off of your misery.

00:27:35.580 But that's not the majority.

00:27:37.080 Those are very few in select.

00:27:38.340 And I'm so glad that that's the case.

00:27:40.380 So I look at it as I had a positive experience with the COs.

00:27:43.980 I had a terrible experience with the administration.

00:27:46.000 From the assistant warden, Noble, to the warden, Lynn Kelly, to the camp administrator, who then turns out to be the most competent man there.

00:27:56.960 And funny enough, his name is Mr. Santos.

00:27:59.760 Really?

00:28:00.420 Yes.

00:28:01.000 True story.

00:28:01.940 You have cousins in the system, too.

00:28:02.820 No.

00:28:04.800 No.

00:28:06.460 It turns out he was the most competent and most honest of the three on the power structure.

00:28:12.120 And it's infuriating that he's the one with the less power.

00:28:17.420 And then you have the two with the most power.

00:28:18.940 And they're absolutely...

00:28:19.920 Tucker, here's...

00:28:21.120 Do you know where my head exploded?

00:28:24.540 COs are working with the bare minimum because there's no budget.

00:28:29.560 We don't have that in the budget.

00:28:30.960 The building's falling apart.

00:28:32.120 We don't have it in the budget.

00:28:33.220 That's her answer to everything, the warden.

00:28:35.920 The AC broke.

00:28:37.980 And it was broke all summer long.

00:28:40.360 And then I had to fight tooth and nail, literally writing about it before they put on an actual

00:28:45.460 temporary AC because I wasn't about to sleep in 90 degree weather.

00:28:49.440 No, it's just not going to happen.

00:28:52.540 You have standards, even while incarcerated.

00:28:55.140 Even in prison, I think there should be standards.

00:28:57.160 But upon leaving, right before I left, it's getting cold.

00:29:01.320 The ducts hadn't been cleaned.

00:29:03.320 And when asked to clean the ducts, she said they didn't have the budget.

00:29:07.220 One of the COs was so infuriated.

00:29:09.480 He's like, it's four grand to have a full service.

00:29:12.340 We're just going to turn this on.

00:29:13.480 It's going to throw God only knows what onto you guys to breathe.

00:29:18.040 But at the same time, she found it in the budget to buy herself an 85-inch QLED Samsung

00:29:26.480 TV at the cost of allegedly $7,000 and she put it in her own office, not in a conference

00:29:35.300 room, not in a common area.

00:29:36.880 She's a TV watcher?

00:29:38.100 Does that work?

00:29:39.020 I guess.

00:29:42.620 85 inches.

00:29:44.020 I don't even have that in my living room.

00:29:46.680 It's such a massive TV.

00:29:48.920 What are you doing with this in your office?

00:29:51.420 It's like, but she found a budget for that.

00:29:54.640 But God forbid the budget to clean the ducts for the heater.

00:29:58.480 Like it's infuriating.

00:30:00.420 So you didn't have a problem with the guards.

00:30:02.180 You had a problem with a couple of administrators.

00:30:04.380 What about the other inmates?

00:30:05.980 You know, inmates for me were, I call them extras in my journey.

00:30:09.960 I mean, there was like maybe two or three.

00:30:11.540 Did you let them know?

00:30:12.840 Kind of.

00:30:13.460 They had non-speaking parts in this film?

00:30:15.400 They had totally non-speaking parts in the film because look, I couldn't find a lot of

00:30:22.400 similarities with a lot of them.

00:30:23.660 I think there was like a group of like five or six that I could talk to, but these are

00:30:27.300 well-educated individuals, very savvy, but at the same time, very liberal.

00:30:31.620 Very liberal?

00:30:32.300 There are lots of liberals in prison.

00:30:33.720 What?

00:30:34.140 Oh my God.

00:30:34.680 Lots of liberals in prison.

00:30:35.720 You'd be shocked.

00:30:37.280 You'd be shocked at the amount of people who hate the president in prison.

00:30:41.060 But then the moment, which is funny, the moment I got commuted, everybody was like,

00:30:44.920 oh, Trump's the man.

00:30:46.480 Yo, buddy, take care of me.

00:30:48.300 Here's my, call my wife.

00:30:49.860 I'm like, I left with a stack of phone numbers of wives that I've never called.

00:30:53.560 I see where they're liberals.

00:30:54.380 I know a lot of people who've been in prison.

00:30:55.980 They all get more right wing in prison.

00:30:57.580 Well, maybe these were still not getting red-filled yet.

00:31:00.700 And I didn't do my part either.

00:31:02.860 So what do you do for recreation?

00:31:05.180 Um, while I was in the camp, um, for the 43 days that I was in the camp, um, the first

00:31:12.480 30 and then the, and then a break and then 13 days, um, because I had that big 41 block

00:31:19.340 of isolation, um, you know, I was in the kitchen from 7.30 in the morning to 4.30 in

00:31:24.560 the afternoon.

00:31:24.920 And it was a great refuge for me psychologically because I, I didn't have to deal with whatever

00:31:30.400 was outside of the kitchen.

00:31:31.820 What is everyone else doing?

00:31:32.880 I don't know.

00:31:34.000 Honestly, I mean, no, we, we don't make license plates.

00:31:38.120 It's, it's a work camp.

00:31:39.400 So there's the maintenance crew.

00:31:41.380 So some guys do facility maintenance.

00:31:43.020 I mean, which is, you know, whatever they call maintenance.

00:31:47.580 There is not maintenance in the real world.

00:31:49.180 And then you have the warehouse guys who are in charge of like picking up the heavy boxes

00:31:53.020 of, you know, the goods that come in to operate the prison.

00:31:55.920 And then you have, oh, you have the cleaning crew.

00:31:58.600 So they're the ones in charge of cleaning the entire compound from, you know, the buildings,

00:32:02.540 the bathrooms and all the other facilities, um, for the staff.

00:32:05.960 Um, and lastly, you have the landscapers because this is on a big old bird reserve, um, that

00:32:12.040 was converted into a prison in 1990.

00:32:14.160 So it's massive amounts of acreage and lots of green and lots of grass.

00:32:19.100 And so you have a landscaping crew.

00:32:21.000 So I don't know what these people do.

00:32:23.160 All I know is that I was in the kitchen from 7.30 to 4.30.

00:32:26.200 Does anyone plot escape?

00:32:29.080 No.

00:32:29.760 If they wanted to, you can walk off.

00:32:31.280 The campers are literally free to roam right off, but nobody's stupid enough to do it.

00:32:36.620 Why?

00:32:36.740 Your custody points go higher and then you lose that privilege and you end up in a low

00:32:40.400 or a medium facility security.

00:32:42.660 So, but can't you just wander off and go to Philadelphia?

00:32:46.820 I mean, you technically could.

00:32:49.520 When you get caught, you're going to be charged with escape and your custody points go higher.

00:32:55.420 So from my understanding, nobody has attempted to escape the camp in years because once you

00:33:00.740 go to the camp, it's the easiest form of prison.

00:33:03.720 It's, it's imagine an abandoned country club from the 1960s that nobody's ever gone to anymore.

00:33:11.260 And one day you just decide to turn on the key and say, we're open for business.

00:33:14.580 No maintenance, no nothing.

00:33:15.940 You just want to operate it as is.

00:33:17.780 That's what they're operating there.

00:33:20.000 But in prison standards, that is it.

00:33:23.000 Club fed.

00:33:24.780 Wow.

00:33:25.400 No, no fences, no gates, no, no locked doors.

00:33:29.980 You can roam and there's an outdoor track and there's recreation outside.

00:33:34.220 There's a weight pile, you know, really run down weight pile, but a weight pile for you

00:33:38.760 to work out.

00:33:39.560 They have an annex trailer with a laundry room for you to do your laundry.

00:33:43.660 You have a little library with an actually decent selection of books, which I was very

00:33:50.060 impressed.

00:33:50.680 Some of my favorite authors were in there.

00:33:52.780 And then you have a chapel where you can do multi-denominational prayer services.

00:33:58.340 So it's a very nice environment.

00:34:01.680 Yeah.

00:34:02.420 As far as prison goes.

00:34:03.360 So when you get there, you usually either are somebody like me who is going to hate

00:34:07.660 it, but not understand how good you have it.

00:34:09.980 Yes.

00:34:10.440 And be a big baby about it like I was.

00:34:13.980 Well, it is prison.

00:34:15.020 Or you're going to be somebody who came from the system working yourself down throughout

00:34:19.860 your very long sentence.

00:34:21.120 And now you've reached the tail end of it and you've been good behavior.

00:34:25.580 You've, in the eyes of the BOP, rehabilitated yourself.

00:34:29.000 Now you're in minimum security custody, which you're now not even considered in custody.

00:34:33.900 You're out custody because there's no gates, handcuffs, none of that.

00:34:38.020 So that's, nobody wants to run away from that.

00:34:40.320 What are the showers like?

00:34:41.560 Oh.

00:34:43.740 Let's, let's, I described it this way.

00:34:45.660 So I want to stay consistent.

00:34:46.860 Imagine a rundown gym with no maintenance, same structure, shower, two, two, two sides

00:34:55.600 of showers and an aisle in the middle, like a locker with showers on both sides with curtains

00:35:01.720 that are just falling apart, lime and, and, and, and every bacterial growth you can imagine

00:35:09.520 growing on the walls and in the corners, peeling paint inside of each stall.

00:35:14.140 Same thing goes for the, for the toilets.

00:35:17.820 And then there was something lovely that I discovered.

00:35:20.480 There's this, this is what made the bathroom really unbearable for me to a point that I

00:35:24.700 started having to brush my teeth with bottled water.

00:35:28.980 You'll, you're, you're not going to believe this, but in prison, there's this Muslim culture

00:35:36.300 that become, has become very prolific in a, in a sense.

00:35:40.920 And I'm not trying to be Islamophobic here.

00:35:43.200 I'm just being really agnostic.

00:35:45.600 Yeah.

00:35:45.840 Have no horse in the fight of Israelis and Jews and Islam and.

00:35:49.500 Right.

00:35:49.660 No, no.

00:35:50.180 Non-political observation.

00:35:52.080 They have a predominant presence in the prison system.

00:35:57.300 The wild thing is, is that before they go to pray, they have to, I guess, wash certain

00:36:02.140 parts of their body.

00:36:03.280 Yes.

00:36:03.520 There were inmates hanging their ass on the sink and just washing it right there where

00:36:12.100 I was supposed to.

00:36:12.780 Ass washing on the sink?

00:36:13.860 Yeah.

00:36:14.840 Well, that's a bridge too far.

00:36:16.420 I mean, for anybody.

00:36:17.960 And, and when confronted, it's like a big argument on religious freedom.

00:36:24.160 Seriously?

00:36:24.920 Oh yeah.

00:36:25.680 It's an attack.

00:36:26.540 It's Islamophobia.

00:36:27.560 Are these Middle Eastern Muslims or African-American Muslims?

00:36:30.520 They're African-American Muslims.

00:36:31.520 I, so you didn't see a lot of Egyptians, a full pause.

00:36:35.080 No, I don't think there was a single Arab in this Muslim crew that I was with.

00:36:39.060 Not a single one.

00:36:40.200 They were all African-Americans.

00:36:42.040 These are gang members from Philly.

00:36:43.460 Pretty much.

00:36:44.180 Yeah.

00:36:44.540 Right.

00:36:45.140 These were the Muslims that I was dealing with.

00:36:46.900 Now, don't get me wrong.

00:36:47.720 Some of them nicest guys I've ever met with these very uncanny habits that were just not

00:36:52.920 for me.

00:36:53.560 So once I walked into a situation like that and it was literally ass washing on the sink,

00:36:58.340 I said, I can't do this.

00:36:59.220 I, I, so I bought the 24 pack of water.

00:37:02.780 Um, well, you're truly from your state here.

00:37:05.120 Not too far from here.

00:37:06.160 Same brand.

00:37:07.620 They sell Poland spring.

00:37:09.020 They do.

00:37:09.360 Yeah.

00:37:09.660 Totally.

00:37:10.220 So you can buy the 24 pack, um, at I think 70 cents a bottle, which is not a bad deal.

00:37:15.540 No, no.

00:37:16.340 For prison, it's not a bad deal.

00:37:17.440 We know it's a, it's a ripoff, but it's compared to their 150 for a ramen noodle.

00:37:21.900 It's not a ripoff.

00:37:22.680 That's what they were charging.

00:37:23.580 It's insane.

00:37:24.180 They take a-

00:37:24.660 Can you buy cigarettes?

00:37:25.660 No, you cannot.

00:37:26.240 It's a federal buildings are all smoke-free areas.

00:37:29.420 What about vapor?

00:37:30.680 No, actually no nicotine, no nicotine products.

00:37:34.480 I saw a man go to the shoe for 45 days because he was caught with a contrabanded vape in there.

00:37:40.580 No way.

00:37:41.760 That's the, that's how severe, um, they consider it of a violation.

00:37:45.980 Really?

00:37:46.420 Yeah.

00:37:46.760 Why do they care?

00:37:47.560 I don't know.

00:37:50.580 Well, Grand Canyon University is not like most American colleges.

00:37:53.920 It focuses on the things that actually matter.

00:37:56.680 It is not a ripoff.

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00:38:00.600 It's private, affordable, Christian university located in the heart of Phoenix.

00:38:05.260 One of the largest universities in the country, actually.

00:38:07.580 At Grand Canyon University, education is more than academics.

00:38:10.300 It is about opportunity.

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00:38:16.360 Rights are not given by the government.

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00:38:24.060 And Grand Canyon University is not going to lie to your kids and claim otherwise.

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00:38:29.360 So you know, you're thinking a quality education is rare.

00:38:32.320 So this probably costs a fortune.

00:38:34.300 Colleges constantly jack up their costs.

00:38:36.580 They probably do the same.

00:38:37.640 Well, they don't actually.

00:38:40.220 GCU has maintained the same tuition for 17 straight years.

00:38:44.440 They're not in education to get rich at the expense of students.

00:38:48.040 The whole thing is actually about learning.

00:38:50.760 How refreshing.

00:38:52.160 With flexible online classes, hybrid learning options, GCU offers 340 academic programs.

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00:40:25.280 You're going to dig it.

00:40:26.280 We definitely, plus they're good looking, I will say.

00:40:28.340 DU.

00:40:28.620 What about drugs?

00:40:30.020 Were there drugs in the prison?

00:40:31.700 The prison, not the camp.

00:40:34.920 The prison across the street in the shoe of all places is littered in drugs.

00:40:41.620 Suboxone, K, ecstasy, molly, cocaine.

00:40:46.660 Are you serious?

00:40:47.800 I am dead serious.

00:40:49.420 How do you get drugs into a prison?

00:40:50.600 That is the question I would always pose when there was some court sort of issue where the

00:40:56.300 COs couldn't walk the range of the shoe because the smoke of Suboxone and K2 were so thick.

00:41:02.260 They're smoking it.

00:41:03.020 They're smoking it.

00:41:04.300 And then you ask, why are they being provided lighters?

00:41:09.040 They're not.

00:41:09.960 They're not.

00:41:10.860 But some inmates have medical prescriptions that are pumps and require a battery.

00:41:18.680 They take a little piece of whatever foil they can find and they put it on each end of

00:41:24.720 negative and the positive and create a little brazier and they smoke from that.

00:41:29.300 No way.

00:41:30.200 Yeah, I learned a lot.

00:41:31.360 That's clever.

00:41:32.080 I watched.

00:41:32.720 Oh, they're MacGyver.

00:41:34.840 Did you get any tattoos or join a gang or anything?

00:41:37.300 No, I should have joined the gang.

00:41:38.820 But I mean, it was Camp Cupcake.

00:41:41.160 What was I going to do?

00:41:42.020 A cupcake on my shoulder?

00:41:43.440 Get the cupcake tattoo.

00:41:45.280 They call it Camp Cupcake.

00:41:46.600 I called it Camp Cupcake.

00:41:48.120 I baked cupcakes there.

00:41:49.660 So yes, it's Camp Cupcake.

00:41:50.320 But people are getting high in solitary confinement.

00:41:52.660 Which is insane because these are, I mean, they strip us naked, make us spread our cheeks

00:41:58.540 and cough to go into solitary to make sure we're bringing nothing we're not allowed to

00:42:02.220 into solitary.

00:42:03.520 So I went through that humiliating display.

00:42:06.260 You're always handcuffed to your back.

00:42:07.600 You have no access to outside.

00:42:09.800 So when all that is happening, unfortunately, there's only one way that drugs make it in

00:42:15.160 there.

00:42:15.660 Yes.

00:42:16.120 Guards.

00:42:16.840 Guards.

00:42:17.620 And why?

00:42:18.860 They're undercompensated.

00:42:20.840 They're undercompensated, overworked.

00:42:23.000 Now they're working without compensation for God knows how long because Democrats can't

00:42:26.800 even get that together.

00:42:28.160 And Republicans can't seem to work with them to do something.

00:42:30.980 Although I agree with the principle of standing up to Chuck Schumer, but the problem is you're

00:42:36.880 just going to create a far worse.

00:42:38.660 This is a pressure cooker situation.

00:42:40.900 But ferritin is littered in drugs in the medium.

00:42:44.560 Really?

00:42:45.040 I never saw drugs.

00:42:46.940 I was there.

00:42:48.020 I was pretty all over the place as far as like integration goes.

00:42:52.380 I've never seen drugs.

00:42:54.320 The worst that I saw there was one guy got caught with a vape.

00:42:57.900 And that was like, oh my God.

00:43:00.780 You know?

00:43:01.020 Oh, sorry.

00:43:01.880 That wasn't the worst.

00:43:02.600 I'm on his side.

00:43:02.980 That wasn't the worst.

00:43:04.220 The phone.

00:43:04.940 One inmate got caught with a phone while I was in solitary.

00:43:08.360 Another inmate who actually, funny enough, the first day I walk in there, he looks at

00:43:12.140 me and says, you were my congressman.

00:43:13.620 I voted for you.

00:43:14.420 I'm like, crap.

00:43:15.840 Did you find a lot of constituents in the lockup?

00:43:17.720 Two.

00:43:18.300 Two?

00:43:18.500 There were two people from New York's third district serving there, which was, I didn't

00:43:23.320 like that similarity.

00:43:24.940 Well, it's a big district.

00:43:25.900 It is a big district.

00:43:26.760 It's a very densely populated area.

00:43:28.960 But yeah, there were two.

00:43:29.760 What were they in for?

00:43:31.260 Both of them for PPP fraud.

00:43:36.080 You can't make this up.

00:43:37.540 Actually?

00:43:38.320 Millions of dollars of PPP fraud.

00:43:40.320 Yes.

00:43:41.280 So one of them got caught with a cell phone.

00:43:44.100 That was a big transgression.

00:43:45.440 And it hadn't happened in so long.

00:43:47.300 I was still like, oh, we haven't had a phone incursion in this part of the prison for years.

00:43:54.000 I was like, oh, okay.

00:43:55.980 Either they're really good at hiding them or they just don't even bother doing it because

00:43:59.280 they have so much freedom.

00:44:00.280 It's not worth the risk.

00:44:01.920 But that was the worst I saw.

00:44:04.800 Booze, drugs.

00:44:06.360 You know, these guys, you know what's the number one topic in the camp?

00:44:11.940 Food.

00:44:12.820 That's all they talk about.

00:44:13.820 Really?

00:44:14.380 The fantasies of like, oh, I'd kill for a big back.

00:44:16.800 Now I'm like, oh, metaphorically.

00:44:19.100 Be careful.

00:44:22.340 Like, yeah, that's all that.

00:44:24.500 Because food is such a big part of the day there.

00:44:27.400 You have these two sacred times of day.

00:44:29.960 10 a.m. is lunch.

00:44:31.520 4 p.m. is dinner.

00:44:32.400 Yes, we run on a geriatric schedule.

00:44:36.140 But that is literally the...

00:44:38.300 So two meals a day.

00:44:40.040 Well, they call breakfast what they give us in a bag.

00:44:43.160 An apple, a honey bun, some sort of like processed cake, and a little box of cornflakes.

00:44:53.000 That's breakfast.

00:44:53.720 It's all sugar.

00:44:54.540 So lots of us don't even touch that.

00:44:56.620 I didn't touch that stuff or else I was going to die of diabetes and sodium issues.

00:45:01.940 Like, just no thank you.

00:45:03.520 So really, it's two meals and whatever you buy on your commissary.

00:45:07.200 But I did something I'm so proud of.

00:45:10.640 I was able to survive 84 days in prison.

00:45:13.340 And I've never eaten a honey bun or a ramen noodle soup.

00:45:16.420 So I'm very proud of myself.

00:45:17.460 They're so good.

00:45:18.720 They're not good for you.

00:45:20.120 No, they're not.

00:45:20.480 No, I've heard that.

00:45:21.440 They have 1,000 milligrams.

00:45:22.080 I've been reliably informed, yes.

00:45:23.940 1,000 milligrams of sodium.

00:45:26.260 Are you trying to kill someone by eating that?

00:45:29.840 No, the ramen's tough.

00:45:31.260 You know what?

00:45:31.660 I have a trade for you.

00:45:32.960 One honey bun, four soups for me to guest host your show next week.

00:45:37.680 So what would that be worth?

00:45:39.440 I don't know.

00:45:40.740 I'd eat it too.

00:45:42.140 Of course you would.

00:45:43.380 Of course I would.

00:45:44.360 I'll eat anything.

00:45:46.180 Wow.

00:45:46.760 So what were you buying at the commissary?

00:45:48.380 I stuck to like, they have these really, they have some healthy alternatives.

00:45:52.400 Healthy-ish, right?

00:45:53.620 So lots of tuna.

00:45:55.260 Ate lots of tuna.

00:45:56.080 I felt like a cat.

00:45:57.160 Like I could do, I think I could do a full-blown Friskies commercial right now.

00:46:01.040 Like I know how to, I have my meowing down to the T.

00:46:04.400 So much tuna.

00:46:05.480 But lots of like cashews and almonds and trail mix.

00:46:10.000 Like I lived off of that stuff.

00:46:11.640 Like, and you have to ration because the premium stuff like that, they give you a limit of

00:46:15.720 how much you can buy of it.

00:46:17.080 Oh, you can't go in and buy a case.

00:46:18.720 No, like two bags a week of each.

00:46:21.220 So I'd get two of each.

00:46:22.240 Almonds, cashews, trail mix, and the peanuts.

00:46:26.020 So I just, you know, ration it through the week.

00:46:28.280 Sometimes dinner for me was like half a bag of trail mix and I'd go to sleep because the

00:46:32.040 food was inedible from the kitchen.

00:46:34.460 Was it hard to sleep?

00:46:35.460 I cried every night.

00:46:38.100 It was not easy.

00:46:40.480 So much so that the prison there, even though other prisons do allow people to stay on their

00:46:45.780 actual medications that they've been treated on for years.

00:46:48.680 I was on Vyvanse for, I have been on Vyvanse, which is an Adderall because I'm ADD, for 22 years.

00:46:55.520 Since I'm 15, 37, these guys took me off Vyvanse, cold turkey, and literally stuffed me up with

00:47:04.920 antidepressant and anti-anxiety medications.

00:47:08.920 So needless to say, I was kind of zombified.

00:47:12.020 What was that like?

00:47:14.320 No medical care, no health, no mental health care.

00:47:17.680 It's like a complete decay and abandonment.

00:47:19.500 But they will hand you pills.

00:47:21.440 Oh, no.

00:47:22.620 No, no, no.

00:47:23.680 They give you the pill.

00:47:24.720 Well, you can't self-medicate.

00:47:26.440 Well, of course.

00:47:27.180 But I mean, they will give you pills.

00:47:28.140 Oh, yeah.

00:47:28.560 But those pills, they won't give you what you need.

00:47:30.520 They won't treat you with what you need at that prison for some reason.

00:47:33.800 Although, if you look historically, even Sam Bankman-Fried, when he's in prison, he's receiving

00:47:39.280 his Adderall because he's ADHD, right?

00:47:41.840 Yeah.

00:47:42.260 He still receives his medication.

00:47:43.060 It's not helping him.

00:47:43.900 I talked to him.

00:47:44.740 It's not.

00:47:45.400 No.

00:47:46.360 He's still jumping around like a meth head.

00:47:48.240 Well, I mean, obviously, because you take a diagnosis like that and it just exacerbates

00:47:55.580 everything.

00:47:55.840 I mean, me, confinement, the solitary confinement, what it did to me, I wrote three suicide notes.

00:48:03.500 So, can you back up and tell us how you're working in the prison kitchen?

00:48:07.760 I don't think you're starting fistfights in the showers.

00:48:10.560 How do you wind up in solitary confinement for 41 days?

00:48:13.720 So, Joe Murray, my attorney, who I adore.

00:48:17.540 Good man.

00:48:17.940 Great champion for me.

00:48:19.420 I mean, shout out to Joe because him, Matt, my partner, and my sister Tiffany went to hell

00:48:27.940 and back for me.

00:48:28.760 But Joe really was a driving force.

00:48:30.400 I mean, this man.

00:48:31.820 He texted me.

00:48:32.920 I mean, he did not rest a single day.

00:48:36.680 It was remarkable.

00:48:38.100 And I have two other attorneys, Andrew and Bobby, who did fantastic work.

00:48:42.400 But really, I'd be remiss if I didn't highlight Joe's efforts.

00:48:46.820 Receives this text message from a journalist, an investigative journalist from Project Veritas,

00:48:53.940 which is an organization I've donated to.

00:48:58.220 Their former outfit, I was very close to O'Keefe and all of those guys.

00:49:02.900 I don't know.

00:49:03.940 I didn't even know Project Veritas was still around.

00:49:05.900 To me, eventually, after Matt Tierman left, I think, after the whole breakup with O'Keefe,

00:49:13.000 it was gone.

00:49:13.760 But apparently, it's still active.

00:49:15.780 So, they get this person, this woman named Patricia.

00:49:19.400 She's Brazilian.

00:49:20.740 She's had an obsession with me to a degree that I can't explain.

00:49:24.460 It's inexplicable, almost, to a degree.

00:49:26.920 She has, in the past, made threats that were deemed uncredible.

00:49:31.740 So, she was a non-credible source with these elaborate threats of high-power players in

00:49:39.160 D.C. want to kill you because you're outing about orgies and talking about the D.C. swamp

00:49:45.760 orgies with, you know, the SEC and Congress.

00:49:49.080 And I said, like, okay, whatever.

00:49:51.460 Capitol Police looked into it in 2023 when I was a city member of Congress.

00:49:54.700 Not credible.

00:49:55.200 She comes back out of the woodworks and, I guess, convinces Project Veritas on those

00:50:03.600 old texts to be real and adds a new one dated August 18th, saying that we need to take care

00:50:11.640 of Santos in prison.

00:50:12.700 And I'm paraphrasing, you know, essentially, somebody needs to break into prison and kill

00:50:17.780 George Santos, which is, on its face value, ridiculous.

00:50:20.740 I've heard of jailbreaks.

00:50:22.140 I have not heard of in-breaks.

00:50:23.820 So, I'm sitting there like, wait, what?

00:50:27.200 So, Joe sees this.

00:50:29.140 I've been the subject of threats, credible threats, to the point we do have people in

00:50:33.180 prison for trying to kill me today.

00:50:36.440 Reaches out to the facility, thinks, you know, hey, I need you to protect George.

00:50:40.260 I just received this threat.

00:50:41.180 It seems concerning.

00:50:42.840 The warden's definition of protective custody because she's lazy and she's completely irresponsible

00:50:50.660 with her budget and doesn't have adequate protective custody, you know, protocols does

00:50:56.420 what's easy.

00:50:57.180 And the shortcut, which is toss George Santos in the shoe.

00:51:00.000 Now, I am not there for disciplinary action, but I am subject to only three showers a week.

00:51:06.960 I'm subject to using recycled clothes, meaning I'm using whatever underwear Joe Schmo was

00:51:12.120 using yesterday, got into the washing machine and was propped up and given to me.

00:51:16.280 It even comes with complimentary skid marks on them.

00:51:19.960 It's like lovely.

00:51:21.040 So, other people's pubic hair are included.

00:51:22.780 And their trail of uncleaned asses, too.

00:51:27.380 Like, I'm not kidding.

00:51:28.780 This is real.

00:51:31.700 The environment...

00:51:33.060 It takes a lot to make me feel nauseous, but that's repulsive.

00:51:35.900 It's repulsive.

00:51:36.920 That's the word.

00:51:37.720 It's repulsive what they do to you.

00:51:39.440 They give you soap that doesn't lather, courtesy of Bob Barker's company called Maximum Security.

00:51:44.800 They give you toothpaste that doesn't foam when you brush your teeth, courtesy of Maximum

00:51:49.320 Security.

00:51:49.820 Great government contract.

00:51:52.200 I mean, it's remarkable.

00:51:55.040 It's just remarkable.

00:51:56.640 You lose your privileges to email.

00:51:58.580 You use your privileges to phone calls.

00:52:00.400 I am subject now to one call every 30 days for 15 minutes, and I have to pick who I'm calling

00:52:06.560 in my family.

00:52:07.340 I don't get to call five minutes here.

00:52:09.400 No, it's one call, period.

00:52:12.840 So, this is what she did and then named it in the name of protection.

00:52:18.760 How does it protect you to limit you to three showers a week and make you wear someone else's

00:52:23.740 dirty boxer shorts?

00:52:25.020 Oh, tighty-whities, not boxer shorts.

00:52:27.420 Actually?

00:52:27.960 Yeah, actually.

00:52:28.960 Orange, but tighty-whities.

00:52:30.480 Like, you know, fruit of the loom, old school.

00:52:32.040 Someone else's orange grape smugglers with someone else's skid marks in them.

00:52:37.420 Yep.

00:52:37.680 That is cruel and unusual.

00:52:40.760 Protection.

00:52:41.520 No, no, no.

00:52:42.800 I'd be freestyle.

00:52:43.920 I couldn't handle that.

00:52:44.560 No, no, no.

00:52:45.260 That is protection under Kelly Warden Lynn Kelly at FCI Fairton.

00:52:50.200 How dare you say that's cruel and unusual?

00:52:52.480 I'm a crybaby.

00:52:53.800 Or as the deputy warden said, I was a princess.

00:52:57.080 Stop being a princess, he said to me.

00:52:59.220 Right?

00:52:59.720 So this is real.

00:53:01.380 This is actually real behavior.

00:53:04.500 And they put you there, give you no information.

00:53:07.420 They peep you.

00:53:08.160 So they put you in a cell that's six by nine.

00:53:11.360 I couldn't do this without touching the walls.

00:53:13.580 You know, the six feet apart?

00:53:15.440 If I was really measuring my spread arms distance, I was definitely further than six feet apart

00:53:22.160 from you because I couldn't do that to the wall.

00:53:24.520 So again, you drink water out of a toilet, the top of a toilet, which has a metallic taste.

00:53:32.560 And when you put water in it and you let the cup sit, sediments fall, like these black

00:53:36.980 sediments fall to the bottom of the cup.

00:53:38.900 This is what they're putting you through.

00:53:40.720 Now, my neighbor in the cell next to me, a murderer who had just killed another inmate

00:53:46.660 months earlier with a pencil.

00:53:49.060 Granted, disciplinary custody waiting.

00:53:51.200 With a pencil?

00:53:51.800 With a pencil, stabbing another inmate through the eye with a pencil.

00:53:55.360 This is on the news, by the way.

00:53:57.240 Now, the lovely part about it is that this inmate is a trans inmate who killed another

00:54:02.940 trans inmate who the news reported on as a leader activist, native trans leader in their

00:54:08.800 community, God knows where, but failed to disclose that he was a vicious child molester.

00:54:13.460 Okay.

00:54:13.780 The one that got killed.

00:54:14.900 Anyway, perhaps-

00:54:16.000 Did you talk to the pencil killer?

00:54:17.400 I didn't talk to anybody.

00:54:18.240 They, there's no way to talk other than to scream through your doors.

00:54:22.460 And I'm sorry.

00:54:23.980 No, I'm, I'm totally fine with screaming in the hall of Congress, like I've done before

00:54:28.280 at people who try to accost me, but not in prison.

00:54:32.020 I kept to myself.

00:54:33.320 They would scream at me.

00:54:34.580 They'd curse.

00:54:35.320 They'd say, yeah, it's Santos, USOB.

00:54:37.160 I know you can hear me.

00:54:38.900 Answer me.

00:54:39.780 And I'm just like sitting there minding my business, reading my historical fiction book

00:54:43.720 because I didn't want to.

00:54:45.120 So what do you do all day in solitary?

00:54:47.100 You go crazy.

00:54:48.660 They give you three books a week, an arbitrary number for, for, I mean, I understand that the

00:54:53.540 reading level of most prisoners aren't going to be quite high and they'll, they'll probably

00:54:59.020 take a while to read a 300, 400 page book.

00:55:02.020 I was crushing books, you know, 400 page books a day sometimes, you know, I read a book by

00:55:11.680 Sarah J Maas, the final installment of her fantasy series called Kingdom of Ash.

00:55:17.080 It's like, I think a thousand pages.

00:55:18.300 I read that in two days.

00:55:19.560 It has nothing to do.

00:55:20.620 Was it good?

00:55:21.260 It was great.

00:55:22.000 I, I, the, the sad part is there's like eight books that preceded it.

00:55:25.240 I never read them, but the final book was pretty cool.

00:55:29.260 So I was like, okay, I could, I could kind of imagine what happened before because the

00:55:34.020 final book was pretty decent.

00:55:35.440 Lots of mysterious illusions though.

00:55:36.940 You have no idea what they're talking about.

00:55:37.540 Oh no.

00:55:37.840 I mean, you just totally have to like pretend, you know, what you're reading at some, certain

00:55:41.440 things are just like kind of, but the gist of the book, really good book.

00:55:44.400 I thought it was a really well-written book.

00:55:46.360 I got into Khan Iguodin.

00:55:48.000 I don't know if you know who he is.

00:55:49.380 Very, very good historical fiction writer.

00:55:51.820 So I am a pro.

00:55:53.700 You can quiz me on Genghis Khan, the Mongol Khan.

00:55:57.420 Yes.

00:55:57.780 Everything, all five books in the series.

00:56:01.140 It was amazing.

00:56:03.060 Like, I mean, I almost want to go to Mongolia now to see some of these things because it's

00:56:07.300 so fascinating and it's so immersive.

00:56:09.880 I read, uh.

00:56:10.620 Let's go to Russia and you can see the illegitimate children, the Mongol horde.

00:56:14.040 Oh, sure.

00:56:14.680 I mean, that's why that Asia, you're in Asia, uh, mix.

00:56:19.060 Oh, amazing.

00:56:19.620 You can see it in their faces.

00:56:20.500 It's amazing.

00:56:21.360 It's like the Uzbekistanis are kind of like right there.

00:56:24.240 That's the halfway point where they're all there, right?

00:56:26.600 But it's crazy because I even got into, um, War of the Roses, but from the pretext of

00:56:32.900 Margaret Janjoo, the French queen who was married to King Henry, which was depicted in

00:56:39.480 history as a great manipulator.

00:56:41.040 But these are the books I was reading.

00:56:43.040 I was so damn bored.

00:56:44.240 That sounds fun.

00:56:45.060 It was fun.

00:56:45.700 I will say this.

00:56:46.380 26 books in 41 days.

00:56:49.720 Amazing.

00:56:50.220 Decent amount.

00:56:51.020 The thing is, I only read that many books because remember that CO I told you about?

00:56:55.800 Yeah.

00:56:56.120 He'd hook me up.

00:56:57.480 I'd get the three books I was entitled to, but then he'd swap me out, you know, within

00:57:01.140 three days for another three.

00:57:02.620 That's so nice.

00:57:03.460 It's, it's like, but other COs wouldn't do it.

00:57:06.600 Why would they want to limit the number of books you can read?

00:57:10.140 This is going to be so funny.

00:57:11.340 I don't know to the extent of the F-bombs I can drop here.

00:57:13.880 Go crazy.

00:57:14.700 Oh, so funny.

00:57:15.880 So my very first book on Genghis Khan, uh, Lords of the Bow, the first chapter was cut

00:57:24.080 out of the book.

00:57:24.800 And somebody wrote in the beginning of the second chapter, fuck you, figure out what

00:57:29.000 happened in the beginning.

00:57:31.500 So you're just like, these people really need help.

00:57:34.420 And then on the very last book of the series, which is Kingdom of Silver, they ripped out

00:57:39.860 the last chapter.

00:57:40.720 No way.

00:57:41.860 Fuck you, figure out what happened in the end.

00:57:44.760 So I was just like, who the fuck is in this place?

00:57:48.580 It's like, it's madness.

00:57:50.540 It's like, well, criminals are there.

00:57:51.700 Well, but I get it.

00:57:52.880 But they're literature criminals too.

00:57:55.040 It was a bad day.

00:57:56.040 Literature criminals.

00:57:57.140 The books had no cover.

00:57:58.420 I mean, it's like, they're ripped off.

00:58:00.860 It's very eccentric.

00:58:02.240 I did do a lot of reading, but it was eccentric reading at best.

00:58:05.720 But, you know, that's what I did with my days.

00:58:08.280 And, you know, when, when I wasn't doing that, I was trying to pray because I, I had a really

00:58:15.680 big awakening, a religious awakening.

00:58:17.660 I've strayed so, so far from the principles and the teachings of my family and, and, and

00:58:24.940 literally Jesus Christ and growing up in, in the Catholic church and, you know, baptism,

00:58:30.040 a communion confirmation.

00:58:31.260 I mean, all of those things, I've strayed so far away from it.

00:58:36.320 And I saw where it landed me because now I can easily tell you this.

00:58:42.000 It is so much easier to walk in your life with a God in it than to ignore it.

00:58:46.660 I mean, it is phenomenal.

00:58:49.000 I have my peace with God.

00:58:50.820 I, it was, and I'll tell you the remarkable.

00:58:54.080 How did that happen?

00:58:54.860 I think it was like day 10 and I had already written my first suicide note.

00:58:59.380 And that's when it.

00:59:00.500 What did you say in your suicide note?

00:59:01.760 You know, I never read it back, Tucker.

00:59:03.520 It's sitting in a manila envelope in my house.

00:59:07.340 I sealed it, uh, all three of them.

00:59:10.500 Um, and I wrote shoe records as something for me to remember how dark it got for me there.

00:59:17.760 I don't think I'm ready today to read it.

00:59:21.860 Yeah.

00:59:22.040 I will one day because I want to, I think I want the world to know what I wrote.

00:59:25.760 But funny enough, the very first one I write it, I'm so angry.

00:59:31.120 My whole preface, and if I could recall, you know, without, it's a blur, right?

00:59:36.780 But the preface was, I'm going to kill myself just to fuck with this warden and put a mess

00:59:41.780 in her hand.

00:59:42.560 Look at how desperate I was.

00:59:44.080 I was willing to end my life in my own thoughts to get back at someone who was hurting me.

00:59:49.140 Right.

00:59:49.460 That's, that's the level of insanity that you.

00:59:51.700 Well, I do think most suicide is an act of aggression against others.

00:59:55.760 I mean, that's pretty common, you know, you're, I'll show them is a common motive.

01:00:00.500 That's pretty much where I was at.

01:00:02.540 And it gets to a point where after the first one, I said, what am I doing?

01:00:08.200 I need help.

01:00:09.600 And I requested, they make you fill out cop-outs, which is a former request to staff.

01:00:15.620 So I wrote to the chaplain requesting a Catholic, Roman Catholic Bible and a rosary so I can pray.

01:00:21.140 The warden didn't approve it, declined both requests.

01:00:24.320 Till this day, I didn't get an answer.

01:00:25.760 Till this day, I could get all the fucked up books in the world, but I couldn't get

01:00:29.080 a Catholic Bible or a rosary.

01:00:31.500 I requested for the visiting priest that comes to do mass at the prison to visit me in the

01:00:35.960 shoe.

01:00:36.660 She didn't allow it.

01:00:38.900 She denied me the rules.

01:00:40.100 How?

01:00:40.520 On what grounds?

01:00:41.460 I don't know.

01:00:42.040 You weren't there because you broke the rules.

01:00:44.020 You were there because you'd been threatened.

01:00:45.600 Well, you should explain that to her as I tried to.

01:00:49.140 I said, this is cruel and unusual punishment.

01:00:50.700 Are you going to make sure she loses her job?

01:00:52.380 I told her I had an outburst by about day, I don't want to say 35 or 30, somewhere along

01:01:00.280 that range where, you know, after all the meandering bullshit of, you know, it's still

01:01:05.220 under the investigative authorities, blah, blah, blah.

01:01:07.820 And it was like, I go into the shoe August 28th.

01:01:11.380 September 23rd, just five days short of a month in, I meet with the FBI.

01:01:16.360 They come to tell me, this is not credible.

01:01:20.480 I think it takes five days later, around the 28th, that email is sent to the facility.

01:01:26.620 Look, we're referring us to the AUSA.

01:01:29.160 We don't find us to be credible, but the AUSA has to decline to prosecute, right?

01:01:33.780 At that point, the warden had the discretion, total discretion to say, okay, I'm sending

01:01:39.880 you back to the camp.

01:01:41.280 But she chose to let the AUSA do their process, which is fine.

01:01:46.320 I'll give her the benefit of the doubt here.

01:01:50.980 But she chose, knowing there was no threat.

01:01:54.780 She chose to wait for the official process, even though I had screamed till I was blue

01:02:00.900 in my face that it was not credible.

01:02:03.140 There was a former investigation to the same person with similar allegations, and these

01:02:07.080 were just new trumped up ones.

01:02:09.020 That took a process.

01:02:10.320 And I, so I want to say, oh, well, that was, let's say the 28th, I believe, is the day

01:02:14.080 that that email went in.

01:02:15.060 And then by the 17th of, I'm sorry, by the 7th of October, I was released a couple, a week

01:02:23.180 later or so, I was released back to the camp.

01:02:26.460 And then 10 days later, I was sent home.

01:02:29.120 But she chose to keep me there, in my opinion.

01:02:32.420 Now, one can argue she was following protocol.

01:02:35.460 I think if two federal officers are telling you that it's not credible and they've done

01:02:39.260 all the due diligence on this, I think it's pretty remarkable that you're going to wait

01:02:44.080 and extend suffering for somebody for another nine days just because, you know.

01:02:50.340 What do you think that was about?

01:02:51.420 Well, I was very critical of her from day one.

01:02:54.780 My very first article, I mean, by the second or third article, I literally, after being

01:02:58.940 there and experiencing the decay in the kitchen, the food issues, the issues with hygiene, the

01:03:03.340 issues with mental health, the issues with medical, the issues with the dorm and sleeping

01:03:07.240 and health and in the environment.

01:03:09.280 Drugs.

01:03:10.000 Not drugs, because I only experienced the drug issues across the street.

01:03:12.980 So, the issue with the lack of humanity and dehumanizing nature of her facility, I wrote

01:03:21.920 that all down on several different penned articles on the South Shore Press.

01:03:26.980 And it got millions of views.

01:03:29.160 She was mad.

01:03:30.500 Now, I get it.

01:03:31.660 I mean, hell have no, you know, what is it?

01:03:35.060 Fury like a warden scorn.

01:03:36.420 Oh, well, I guess, or I was going to say something a lot.

01:03:40.100 You're nice.

01:03:40.880 Let's just say that.

01:03:41.840 I was going to be as nice as you.

01:03:43.040 But she was mad.

01:03:45.380 And she made these choices.

01:03:47.060 And she mocked me in the process to a point where I was losing my mind.

01:03:53.760 So, they do executive rounds once a week.

01:03:56.620 I won't say the day, so I don't compromise the facility again, in lieu of not compromising

01:04:01.360 officers and the facility routine.

01:04:06.640 They do rounds once a week in every segment of the facility.

01:04:10.380 So, there was the day of the week that they did rounds in the shoe.

01:04:12.640 Now, in the shoe, we're sitting in our cells, and there's this metal door, which is blast

01:04:18.260 proof, heavy as hell, with a little drawer so you can get your trays.

01:04:23.640 And when you got to get out, put your hands backwards through that and get cuffed.

01:04:27.940 And a skinny window about, I want to say, four inches wide, about 20, 20, 25 inches tall,

01:04:35.800 give or take, that they come in and they peep their eye to see if you're alive, right?

01:04:40.460 And they're doing their rounds.

01:04:42.160 And I would always ask, it was around day 30 to 35 or somewhere in between there, I

01:04:47.400 lost my shit.

01:04:48.700 I said, why am I still here?

01:04:50.960 Because now I had already spoken to the FBI.

01:04:53.340 I knew what they were doing.

01:04:54.720 They said that following Monday, they would send a letter, in which, in fact, they did.

01:04:58.860 So, I was furious.

01:05:02.060 And I said, and I quote, bitch, you are going to regret fucking with me.

01:05:08.300 And I meant that.

01:05:11.060 And I don't mean it as threatening her, but I'm going to take her to task.

01:05:15.680 Kelly, Warden Kelly, Lynn Kelly will be the face of evil, of rot and corrupt of the BOP if I have it my way.

01:05:24.780 We need to make an example of somebody because if we're going to rehabilitate people in this country,

01:05:29.680 it cannot be at the hands of that woman or people like her.

01:05:32.800 So, let that serve as a warning.

01:05:35.120 If you operate like Warden Kelly does at FCI Ferriton, I strongly suggest you fuck off because I'm going to come for you.

01:05:42.600 I'm going to find you your prison.

01:05:44.560 I'm going to investigate it.

01:05:46.020 And I'm going to work tooth and nail to make these changes because we're creating more criminals.

01:05:52.440 And recidivism is at an all-time high because of how we treat people.

01:05:56.000 We're not giving people a second chance at life.

01:05:58.720 We're making them better criminals at that or angrier criminals.

01:06:01.640 Well, exactly.

01:06:02.220 And also, you know, you should take care of the people in your care, period.

01:06:06.120 That's your job.

01:06:07.320 That's your obligation.

01:06:08.440 You should at least give them medical care.

01:06:10.740 Treat people with dignity.

01:06:12.080 That's awful.

01:06:12.820 I totally agree.

01:06:13.700 So, that was a burst, which is totally out of character for me too because I'm a very non-confrontational individual.

01:06:18.440 So, for me to get to that.

01:06:19.180 You're like finding yourself in lockup.

01:06:20.900 Are you kidding?

01:06:21.580 I mean, I found the courage to literally tell somebody who had all the power in the world to crush me further to fuck off.

01:06:28.600 So, I mean, honestly, it's very liberating because I'm a very yes sir, yes ma'am type of guy.

01:06:34.560 That's kind of like my nature.

01:06:36.840 I'm not violent.

01:06:38.740 I'm not overtly aggressive.

01:06:41.000 I'm kind of, you know, mellow.

01:06:42.380 I'm, you know, fun fat guy.

01:06:43.980 You know, it's like that's really my nature.

01:06:46.720 So, she pushed all my buttons in general.

01:06:50.180 How did you get out of solitary?

01:06:53.460 I don't know.

01:06:54.400 I just know that it's a great story.

01:06:57.240 That day that I got out, October 7th, was the day they were doing executive rounds.

01:07:02.540 So, they came.

01:07:04.880 I spoke to three different individuals.

01:07:06.320 The captain, the camp administrator, and the SIS, which is the internal investigations guy.

01:07:12.440 All three of them gave me different answers.

01:07:14.880 I'm not kidding.

01:07:15.760 They all gave me three different answers.

01:07:17.420 And, essentially, I sat there thinking, I'm so fucked.

01:07:22.340 I got so angry.

01:07:23.420 This was at 9 o'clock in the morning.

01:07:26.440 Come later that day at around 1, another assistant warden comes by.

01:07:33.760 Actually, very straightforward guy.

01:07:37.200 I'm not going to say he's my favorite.

01:07:38.620 But, do you know that guy you don't like, but you appreciate him because he's straightforward, he's honest, and he tells you exactly how it is?

01:07:44.540 Very much.

01:07:44.800 We need people like that.

01:07:45.820 He's not kind.

01:07:47.200 But, he's direct.

01:07:48.860 Doesn't mince around.

01:07:50.120 Doesn't beat around the bush.

01:07:51.400 He comes and says, hey, so here's the deal.

01:07:53.780 Got an update for you.

01:07:54.620 I'm like, what's up?

01:07:55.380 He's like, did you hear the news?

01:07:57.140 I'm like, no.

01:07:57.860 I heard doom today and three different kinds of doom.

01:08:00.140 So, I don't even know which one is true.

01:08:01.180 He's like, ignore all of that.

01:08:02.980 We got the declinations to investigate.

01:08:04.880 I believe we're going to run an internal administrative process.

01:08:08.080 You're going to go back to the camp.

01:08:10.020 I said, when?

01:08:11.020 He's like, look, it's Tuesday today.

01:08:13.540 So, if they're really fast, probably by the end of the week.

01:08:17.020 But, worst case scenario, beginning of next week.

01:08:20.160 I had a grin from year to year.

01:08:22.580 Like, oh my God, I got to do at least maybe.

01:08:24.580 At worst, I was like, in my head, at worst, I'll do another 10 days in here.

01:08:27.940 I can pull this off.

01:08:28.840 I looked at the books I had selected.

01:08:30.500 I'm like, I'll make that work.

01:08:32.440 I'll journal some more.

01:08:33.700 I had a plan, like a goal, an end in sight.

01:08:37.600 And then that same day at 2 p.m., when shift changed, the guard comes, bangs on my door and says,

01:08:43.460 pack up.

01:08:44.040 You're getting kicked out.

01:08:44.900 I'm like, to where?

01:08:46.940 And then she's like, to the camp.

01:08:48.820 Where else?

01:08:49.260 I'm like, oh, lovely.

01:08:51.640 I mean, don't say that twice.

01:08:54.380 30 minutes later, she was handcuffing me, putting me out of the door so I can go take off the

01:08:58.560 lovely borrowed clothes and put on my actual clothes.

01:09:01.920 You gave back the tighty wife.

01:09:02.940 Oh, totally.

01:09:03.600 They can keep it.

01:09:04.500 So, what was the worst part of solitary, would you say?

01:09:07.300 What made you so desperate to leave?

01:09:10.220 Well, desperate to kill myself.

01:09:11.900 Yeah.

01:09:12.120 The loneliness and the way I was being treated.

01:09:17.420 I'll give you this.

01:09:18.640 There was something so bizarre.

01:09:21.380 On September 10th, I was sitting in my cell, minding my business, thinking, wow, tomorrow's

01:09:27.600 9-11.

01:09:28.280 What a rough day.

01:09:29.360 And I'm sitting here and like, you know, I'm from New York.

01:09:32.260 It's still very much a somber day for New Yorkers.

01:09:34.680 And a CEO knocks on my door, says, hey, did you know Charlie Kirk?

01:09:42.660 I'm like, yeah, I know Charlie.

01:09:43.820 Charlie's a fun guy.

01:09:45.220 I've met Charlie throughout the years.

01:09:46.820 He's, you know, I like him.

01:09:47.700 I call him a friend.

01:09:48.920 No, no, no.

01:09:49.420 You knew him.

01:09:50.080 He was just murdered and just walked away.

01:09:51.780 Now you're talking to somebody who's all fucked up 50 shades from Tuesday mentally in a shoe

01:09:59.680 by myself.

01:10:01.240 No one to talk.

01:10:02.020 Can't pick up the phone and make a call to understand what's going on.

01:10:05.240 And they took a glee in my, I was wailing like, what do you mean?

01:10:10.520 Come back here.

01:10:11.820 How do you tell me this and walk away?

01:10:13.900 I was like losing it, like losing it.

01:10:18.320 This is a guy that I've always found so inspirational.

01:10:21.560 And I think I said this to you in private once when I was last year.

01:10:24.820 I think he's going to be a president of the United States.

01:10:26.640 I really thought that.

01:10:27.780 I did say that.

01:10:28.320 I really thought he'd be one of a future president of this country.

01:10:31.720 I mean, he had a message, had a purpose and he was good.

01:10:35.280 And quite frankly, you can call him a little antagonistic, but who isn't these days?

01:10:39.680 Oh, of course.

01:10:40.220 And I love the guy.

01:10:40.920 I think he got a great message of God, freedom.

01:10:44.760 I mean, what else can you expect from somebody?

01:10:48.280 And the way it was delivered, it was so rough.

01:10:51.260 And that didn't help.

01:10:53.060 How did you get more information about it?

01:10:54.700 I didn't.

01:10:55.460 So the nice CO I'm telling you about, the two of them, I asked them to look into it.

01:10:59.560 They're not really tuned into politics, but they did some research and they would, on

01:11:04.160 a day to day, they'd give me like play by play of what they had read.

01:11:07.060 When I say these guys were top-notch, phenomenal human beings, I mean, top-notch, phenomenal

01:11:12.720 human beings.

01:11:13.320 They gave me play by play.

01:11:14.440 They told me about the memorial.

01:11:16.180 They told me about the attendance that President Trump spoke, that he was getting awarded the

01:11:20.140 Medal of Freedom.

01:11:20.900 I knew all of that through the accounts of these two COs.

01:11:24.500 I really hope that in my life, I crossed paths with them one day because I'd love to thank them

01:11:31.220 appropriately, like a proper thank you for not treating me like a subhuman piece of trash.

01:11:37.400 Because they were the only two.

01:11:38.720 Everyone else, I was nothing but another number.

01:11:41.340 And being treated in certain instances, quite, you know, bad.

01:11:48.040 And bad, I struggle to find the words because, you know, this facility declined a visit from

01:11:56.060 my family.

01:11:57.020 My partner and my aunt drove three and a half hours each way to go see me, got there and

01:12:01.760 said, no, no, you can't see him today, even though it was visitation day.

01:12:05.840 But they created...

01:12:06.480 From what grounds?

01:12:07.200 They created an arbitrary rule they had not registered.

01:12:10.020 Although they were approved and cleared and had visited me in the camp, now across the street,

01:12:14.780 it's a whole new protocol.

01:12:16.360 I mean, it's not.

01:12:17.160 They just kill you with bureaucracy.

01:12:18.740 They just make shit up as they go.

01:12:20.900 It's infuriating.

01:12:22.200 Like, literally.

01:12:22.880 There's no oversight, it sounds like.

01:12:24.240 There's no oversight.

01:12:25.340 The wardens create their own little kingdoms and they rule as little monarchs with no real

01:12:32.600 oversight because here's the oversight process.

01:12:35.480 Whenever they're going to be inspected or receive a visit, they clean everything up.

01:12:39.600 They put makeup on everything.

01:12:41.840 So when you come down doing that visit, it's, you know, you got to do surprise visits on these

01:12:45.880 people.

01:12:46.160 If you really want to see how the house is being run, you can't say that the cat's coming

01:12:52.660 to town.

01:12:53.240 The mices are going to run away.

01:12:54.980 You got to let the cat show up and be like, surprise!

01:12:59.060 Because the way they do it is just...

01:13:02.100 So how did you get out exactly?

01:13:03.900 Can I say one thing before you explain?

01:13:05.640 There was a vibe shift, which you weren't here to see, but you went from being, you know,

01:13:12.340 widely reviled, all these members of Congress denouncing you, everyone making fun of you

01:13:16.140 to once you went to prison, there was a sense that like, wait, what's George Santos doing

01:13:20.100 in prison?

01:13:20.640 And it was wild to see it.

01:13:23.560 Tim Burchett, your friend, the congressman, good man from Tennessee, kind of led the charge

01:13:28.120 on your behalf.

01:13:28.780 But there were a lot of sympathetic years.

01:13:31.360 Oh, look.

01:13:32.140 It was wild.

01:13:33.200 You became more popular, like Alexander Solzhenitsyn, you became more popular in prison.

01:13:37.840 Oh, look, hey.

01:13:40.140 Never let a good crisis go to waste.

01:13:42.200 Isn't that the same, DC?

01:13:43.500 But I'll say this, from Marjorie Taylor Greene, who's a dear friend, to Tim Burchett, who's

01:13:49.160 another dear friend, Lauren Boebert, Anna Paulina, Matt Gaetz, these guys really came,

01:13:56.700 like, they batted.

01:13:57.920 You just named all the outlaws, by the way.

01:13:59.440 That's fine.

01:14:00.180 I'm in the book, too.

01:14:01.240 No, I mean that as a compliment.

01:14:02.400 No, it's like, why?

01:14:03.280 We're all in the outlaws book with Steve Madden.

01:14:05.900 I know.

01:14:06.820 It's true.

01:14:08.900 They all, all those people have a shot of joining you someday in the camp.

01:14:13.540 I hope not.

01:14:14.220 No, I hope, oh gosh, I shouldn't even say that.

01:14:16.280 I hope not, too.

01:14:17.080 But, so how did, how did you get out?

01:14:19.840 I don't know till this day what was the determination.

01:14:23.720 I do know this.

01:14:24.840 I know that that same day, I had a legal call with the Joe, my attorney, after I got the

01:14:31.100 three different, like, nonsensical BS.

01:14:35.100 And Joe literally said, I'm working, I'm fixing this.

01:14:39.080 I don't know what Joe did, but I will say this.

01:14:41.640 He called everyone and their mother and he made sure that they knew that the letter is

01:14:48.640 out and the warden is still not being straightforward and forthcoming.

01:14:54.020 And all I know is that within a matter of hours, it went from 1 p.m. saying I'd get out at some

01:14:59.120 point at the end of the week or next week at best, at worst case, to an hour later saying,

01:15:05.520 goodbye, go back to the camp.

01:15:07.180 Wow.

01:15:08.180 And, and it's, it was quite an adjustment, you know.

01:15:14.060 There's this, it's, it's perverse is a lack of mental health care to give you.

01:15:21.280 They have three psychologists when, which they should have six.

01:15:24.500 They have no psychiatrist.

01:15:25.440 So they have no prescribing mental health provider.

01:15:29.660 So psychologists give referrals to a physician, which is wild in, in the standards of mental

01:15:36.320 health, especially when you're dealing with people who are incarcerated, which guess what?

01:15:40.080 A lot of them are there because of mental health issues.

01:15:42.300 I believe it.

01:15:42.820 You know, like the poor judgment and mental health issues are really what leads to people

01:15:46.880 being incarcerated, but there's really no treatment for that.

01:15:51.240 And I get put back in the camp.

01:15:54.740 I couldn't sleep the first three nights.

01:15:56.780 They say totally messed up, but that's fine.

01:15:59.340 At least I'm in the camp.

01:16:00.080 I get to go outside.

01:16:00.860 I get to call my family.

01:16:01.620 I mean, in, in the first day, we, we get allotted 510 minutes a month to make phone calls.

01:16:08.200 In my very first day, when I had access my phone, I called 120 minutes to my family.

01:16:16.880 I couldn't stop calling.

01:16:19.220 I would call, wait 30 minutes, make another call to someone else.

01:16:22.560 I was just like, couldn't stop calling.

01:16:24.120 I needed to talk to people.

01:16:25.560 I needed to know they were okay.

01:16:27.020 Of course.

01:16:27.400 It's like the, the, the, the, the anguish of not knowing I'm a family guy through and

01:16:32.460 through and anguish of not knowing what was going on was killing me, like pulling limb

01:16:38.160 from limb inside of me.

01:16:39.360 And I got out and I'm sitting in the camp.

01:16:42.680 Now, here's a wild story for you.

01:16:44.840 So, Thursday, October 16, we had the visiting priest.

01:16:52.460 I got ready.

01:16:53.700 We went to mass.

01:16:55.200 I got there.

01:16:56.020 He looked at me and says, you're back.

01:16:58.900 Would you like to do confession?

01:17:00.360 Because he knew I was in solitary.

01:17:02.580 So I said, you do confession?

01:17:04.680 He's like, of course.

01:17:05.380 I'm like, I'd love to.

01:17:06.180 Do you have the time?

01:17:06.840 And he's like, I'm sure it can't be that bad.

01:17:09.320 So very friendly priest.

01:17:13.280 And I took a liking to him.

01:17:14.760 He's a Jersey guy through and through.

01:17:16.400 No nonsense kind of guy.

01:17:17.540 Like he does not accept nonsense.

01:17:19.600 Right.

01:17:20.080 Really rough, old school Catholic priest.

01:17:22.760 And I said, oh, I like this guy.

01:17:24.180 So we sit down.

01:17:25.560 It's, it's still lengthy confession.

01:17:29.100 Took almost an hour.

01:17:31.500 So you got pretty detailed.

01:17:32.780 Well, I mean, mortal sins are mortal sins.

01:17:35.020 You got to go one by one.

01:17:36.680 You can't just be, you know.

01:17:38.540 I'm with you.

01:17:39.040 You can't just do an overcap or a review.

01:17:42.640 I've been naughty doesn't suffice.

01:17:44.740 Oh, priest, I've been so naughty.

01:17:46.940 He's like, you know how mortal sins work, right?

01:17:48.800 You need to tell me in great detail.

01:17:50.240 I'm like, okay.

01:17:51.160 It's almost like gossip at that point.

01:17:52.880 But I sat there.

01:17:54.860 I go through this process that I had not done in at least two years, or if not more.

01:18:00.540 It felt great.

01:18:01.800 I go to mass.

01:18:02.680 I take communion.

01:18:04.200 And then we do a rosary at the end.

01:18:06.400 And it was just so nice.

01:18:07.660 I left that feeling like I had squared away a large part of my life.

01:18:14.140 And it just felt good.

01:18:15.840 So good.

01:18:16.660 I woke up the next day.

01:18:18.640 I had this immense resolve on October 17th that everything would be okay.

01:18:24.300 That even if I had to sit there for seven years, I would be okay.

01:18:27.880 I would not be in pain.

01:18:30.940 I would not be in anguish.

01:18:32.640 I was ready for whatever the road ahead was.

01:18:35.400 So much so that we had something called Coffee Club that Sam Mealy started, my former employee.

01:18:42.740 And we would just wake up at seven.

01:18:44.220 A lot of us woke up early.

01:18:45.540 But at seven o'clock, we would all meet in the library with coffee or tea.

01:18:50.100 I'm a tea guy.

01:18:51.460 And coffee cake or whatever it is, the cakes that Sam was hoarding for Coffee Club from everybody's breakfast bags that didn't want them.

01:18:59.840 And we'd sit there every morning, a group of like five of us.

01:19:02.900 Everybody was welcome to come, but only five people or so would show up.

01:19:05.620 You can't even get prisoners to coalesce.

01:19:07.380 Trust me.

01:19:08.000 They have no options to do anything else, but they still don't show up to stuff when it's available.

01:19:12.480 So we sat there and I said to him, like, dude, I feel so good.

01:19:15.880 He's like, what do you mean?

01:19:17.620 I'm like, I don't know.

01:19:18.640 I woke up feeling this resolve, like it's all going to be okay.

01:19:21.920 And he's like, well, that's good.

01:19:23.560 But, you know, it's strange at the same time, which it is.

01:19:26.500 You're in prison.

01:19:27.000 You're not supposed to feel that way.

01:19:28.740 We had this conversation.

01:19:30.020 What sounds supernatural.

01:19:31.460 Very like, I felt comfortable saying it.

01:19:33.860 Yes.

01:19:34.060 And it felt good to say it.

01:19:35.980 And I did my prayer.

01:19:38.000 And then I get called in the PA.

01:19:39.960 And then everybody like kind of stiffens like, oh, my God.

01:19:42.800 I'm like, oh, please don't let it mean me going back to the shoe.

01:19:45.180 Because that's how initially it was.

01:19:46.480 I was called in the PA.

01:19:47.540 And they're like, oh, you got to be seen at the J building, which is a facility building.

01:19:51.340 And I never came back, right?

01:19:53.460 41 days later.

01:19:55.120 So I stiffened and I said, well, God's on my side.

01:19:58.500 I don't care.

01:19:59.040 I know that confidently like marched to go see what it was.

01:20:02.000 Turns out it was a subpoena from Congress that Tim Burchard and Lauren Boebert had sent to the facility for me and the warden to go testify to the oversight committee under the conditions of my imprisonment.

01:20:18.280 And I had to sign and agree for acceptance.

01:20:21.200 She must hate you.

01:20:22.360 I got to tell you.

01:20:23.620 I know that's still happening, too.

01:20:25.940 And it's funny because as I'm reading this, the camp case manager goes to me, you sure you want to do this?

01:20:36.280 I think it's a good idea.

01:20:37.680 I'm like, oh, it's a great idea.

01:20:40.080 He's like, you might want to fly under the radar.

01:20:42.300 I'm like, no, I don't.

01:20:44.280 How's that working for you?

01:20:45.540 I mean, no, I don't.

01:20:47.860 And I signed it.

01:20:48.880 I consent.

01:20:49.700 I did all the paperwork and I left with a grin from his office from ear to ear, went to my friends, the coffee.

01:20:57.760 I was like, what happened?

01:20:58.640 I'm like, I just got subpoenaed to go to Congress.

01:21:00.400 They're like, what?

01:21:01.140 I'm like, I'm freaking making changes from in here.

01:21:05.480 Like, I was just like, I have a date with this bitch in Congress.

01:21:08.780 That's my ground.

01:21:10.040 That's my turf.

01:21:11.380 And in my head, I'm like, oh, Kelly, you have no idea what you just got yourself into.

01:21:16.240 And I was so happy about it because it's about fairness for me.

01:21:21.220 And I just proceeded my day, right?

01:21:23.500 So walking the track, played a little ping pong on this like really at best makeshift ping pong table.

01:21:29.800 Like I had a normal day, read a little bit of my book, called home.

01:21:34.180 So it's around six o'clock.

01:21:36.160 We got our commissary sheet.

01:21:37.780 So I was, you know, budgeting, figuring out what I needed to do.

01:21:39.800 And I'm filling it out in this computer room where we have our computers to do our core links communications with our family.

01:21:46.400 The light there is a lot brighter.

01:21:47.680 I'm getting old.

01:21:48.400 My glasses suck.

01:21:49.520 And I needed bright lights.

01:21:51.760 So I'm filling this commissary sheet out.

01:21:54.580 And an inmate comes in like, oh, you were just on TV.

01:21:57.140 I'm like, I don't care.

01:21:58.120 I don't really pay attention to me on TV.

01:22:00.340 They're always shitting on me or whatever.

01:22:02.200 So uninterested.

01:22:03.260 And about 30 minutes later, the entire cafeteria erupted in.

01:22:09.120 That son of a bitch.

01:22:10.940 Where the fuck is Santos?

01:22:12.580 Santos, come over.

01:22:14.060 You motherfucker, you were holding out on us.

01:22:17.100 You going home, N-word.

01:22:19.120 I'm like, what?

01:22:20.740 I'm like, what's going on?

01:22:22.820 So I go out.

01:22:24.460 I'm like, stop.

01:22:25.400 You guys are misunderstanding this.

01:22:26.800 And the chyron on MSNBC says, disgraced former rep George Santos commuted, soon to be released, according to Trump.

01:22:36.500 And that was the first you heard?

01:22:37.580 That was the first I heard.

01:22:38.760 Nobody told you this was coming?

01:22:40.120 No, nobody knew that day.

01:22:41.900 Nobody knew.

01:22:42.520 You heard the news in the commissary from MSNBC.

01:22:45.440 From MSNBC.

01:22:46.320 Why were they playing MSNBC in the commissary?

01:22:47.460 Well, there's, like I said, there's the black TV and they particularly like watching.

01:22:54.060 Do they really?

01:22:54.840 Yeah, if it's either not on BET or on like a movie channel with like awful B-rated movies, it's on MSNBC, that TV.

01:23:03.180 That's where the audience is.

01:23:04.420 Because I wondered that.

01:23:05.400 Who watches?

01:23:06.120 So it's prison in the commissary.

01:23:07.600 But only on the black TV.

01:23:09.080 I guess so.

01:23:10.640 Wow.

01:23:11.240 The white TV remarkably stays a lot on Fox, by the way.

01:23:14.180 I'm not surprised.

01:23:14.840 I was not shocked either.

01:23:16.920 There was like a debate about where I should watch TV.

01:23:19.200 And where'd the Spanish TV go?

01:23:20.560 A Spanish TV usually stayed either on Telemundo or Univision.

01:23:24.760 Like very, very Hispanic.

01:23:27.220 Wow.

01:23:28.120 Rarely did it go anywhere else other than those two channels.

01:23:31.600 So I'm sitting there looking at this Chiron for a split second.

01:23:36.060 I'm like, apoplectic.

01:23:38.100 Like, what?

01:23:39.840 But nobody told me anything.

01:23:41.240 Somebody should have called me.

01:23:42.160 And then I think, I'm like, wait, nobody can make an inbound call.

01:23:45.780 So I run to the emails.

01:23:47.220 There's nothing there.

01:23:47.920 Because emails take about an hour and a half to get to you of a delay.

01:23:51.980 Because it needs to be vetted through security.

01:23:53.700 So if you sent me something an hour and a half before I get it.

01:23:56.660 And then if I send you a response another hour and a half before you get it.

01:23:59.260 Because everything is monitored.

01:24:00.520 And I can understand that because of criminal conduct and activity after all.

01:24:04.380 You're monitoring criminals.

01:24:05.640 Right.

01:24:05.760 It's a prison.

01:24:06.320 So it's a prison.

01:24:07.520 So I just like, I was, I didn't know what to do.

01:24:11.320 So I called home.

01:24:12.340 I called my partner.

01:24:13.360 I called Matt.

01:24:13.820 I'm like, Matt, what's going on?

01:24:15.520 He's like hysterical.

01:24:16.840 I'm like, I just spoke to President Trump.

01:24:19.240 It's over.

01:24:20.160 I'm coming to pick you up.

01:24:21.420 I'm like, what do you mean you spoke to President Trump?

01:24:24.040 I didn't even think about going.

01:24:25.500 I'm like, he called you?

01:24:26.700 I was like, absolutely nuts about it.

01:24:28.860 Like, wait, President Trump called Matt before he called me.

01:24:32.540 Well, you were in prison.

01:24:33.540 Kind of hard to get in touch with you.

01:24:34.600 Well, I'm still mad that he got the full call first.

01:24:36.940 So I hang up the phone.

01:24:39.220 And Tucker, I break down.

01:24:41.960 I bet.

01:24:42.360 I mean, I couldn't stop.

01:24:44.180 It was like a, probably an hour.

01:24:45.760 I was ugly, snotty, crying in that phone stall, head down, like my head and, and all this,

01:24:54.120 all these thoughts inundated my body, my soul.

01:24:57.100 I, I, I'm going home and it was just, I didn't know this was going to happen.

01:25:06.700 I, I had really made peace with the fact that this was my predicament just that morning.

01:25:12.840 Yeah.

01:25:13.120 And to tell me that there's no divine intervention in this, I will never accept that because there

01:25:20.380 was no palpable appetite to give me clemency according to every single person I had spoken

01:25:27.320 to.

01:25:28.100 Yeah.

01:25:28.700 And the day after I go to confession and I square away my quarrels and my, my pendencies

01:25:33.620 with Jesus Christ, I get commuted by President Trump.

01:25:36.820 I mean, I am forever humbled to the president.

01:25:39.620 It's incredible.

01:25:40.180 It's a remarkable story and, and I don't believe, I don't do coincidences anymore.

01:25:45.240 No, of course not.

01:25:45.600 This was proof.

01:25:46.320 If I ever needed proof, God's in your life.

01:25:48.500 If you really make your pledge to him, this was it.

01:25:51.840 I needed this probably.

01:25:53.760 And I'm not saying because it's so self-serving.

01:25:55.660 No, he purposely said, you do right by me.

01:26:00.860 I'm giving you a second chance.

01:26:02.360 So the second you just surrendered to it, it was resolved.

01:26:05.320 I just, I just could not, there was nothing else to do.

01:26:07.920 I mean, I, I, I said, I think I cried all the tears that I had for the rest of the year

01:26:13.080 of that hour.

01:26:14.300 It was.

01:26:14.920 So how long was it till you got out?

01:26:16.660 So that was around six, six 30 ish.

01:26:19.160 Right.

01:26:19.500 When I called home.

01:26:22.840 It was 1130.

01:26:24.280 I was that night.

01:26:24.980 You were out.

01:26:25.300 That night, 1130.

01:26:26.440 I was walking out and my phone came in the car and I was already dialing.

01:26:30.900 Like the first call I made was, um, Marjorie Taylor green, um, at the assistance of Matt,

01:26:37.440 who was prolific on call Marjorie.

01:26:40.980 I want people to know this because it's important to me.

01:26:45.200 I used to say that if you want a friend in DC, get a dog, not realizing I actually had real

01:26:50.220 friends because it's, you measure a friendship, not on how much you see one another.

01:26:54.660 Cause we all have busy lives.

01:26:55.840 Of course you measure a friend on when you're in your worst and how they come through for

01:27:01.060 you.

01:27:01.520 It's loyalty.

01:27:01.800 Exactly.

01:27:02.300 She was on the phone with Matt every single day, checking in to see how he was doing,

01:27:08.460 giving him updates, talking to my sister.

01:27:12.260 Literally, she didn't have to do that.

01:27:14.400 She yielded nothing from it.

01:27:16.780 This is a woman who will go out of her way for her friends and for what she believes in.

01:27:21.980 And it's, it pains me to see that so many people want to attack her.

01:27:25.640 Now I can understand politics.

01:27:27.340 Why are they attacking Marjorie?

01:27:28.440 I don't understand that.

01:27:29.480 It's been 11 days and I still haven't wrapped my head around it, but I'll say this.

01:27:33.780 There's no bigger supporter of president Trump that I served with.

01:27:38.620 And I'm saying this to the detriment of getting other colleagues and friends of mine mad at

01:27:42.700 me, but there was no bigger loyalist to president Trump than Marjorie Taylor Greene in my time

01:27:49.820 in Congress.

01:27:50.580 I've known her since 2020 and I can tell you with good faith, she is a loyal soul.

01:27:56.040 She means well, and she wants the best for our country, no matter what.

01:28:01.360 And I think that to conflate that with any other issues that you might want to find a

01:28:05.760 singularity with her, it is your problem, not her problem.

01:28:09.640 So I say-

01:28:10.060 Not in it for herself.

01:28:11.060 It's a you problem, not a her problem.

01:28:12.920 And I just want the record to reflect.

01:28:15.700 Thank you for saying that.

01:28:16.740 No, it's important to me just because I know so many members of Congress and she's in the

01:28:20.840 tiny, tiny, tiny handful I respect and love as people.

01:28:24.800 And she's just a really great person.

01:28:26.900 Like I really think a lot of her.

01:28:28.860 I say it.

01:28:30.780 She played therapist, best friend, mother, all of those roles to my family.

01:28:37.340 And for that, I'm forever indebted because you can only dream of having that level of

01:28:44.540 friendship with someone in your darkest moments.

01:28:47.000 When you're absent from your family and someone steps in and takes a position of counseling

01:28:55.520 and consoling your family, that's a true friend.

01:28:59.160 Everything else is garbage.

01:29:00.760 And that's wealth.

01:29:02.000 That's amazing.

01:29:02.980 Material wealth isn't wealth.

01:29:04.520 I learned this in prison.

01:29:06.300 Watches, jewelry, all of that stuff.

01:29:08.640 Nice cars, flashy homes.

01:29:10.820 It's not wealth, Tucker.

01:29:12.000 Doesn't mean shit.

01:29:12.760 Doesn't mean crap.

01:29:14.340 Yep, I agree.

01:29:14.920 Well, your family, your friends, your health, that's real wealth.

01:29:20.160 And I want to measure my wealth that way moving forward because there's no point in measuring

01:29:25.020 it the way I used to measure it.

01:29:26.600 Man, prison was amazing for you.

01:29:28.180 As much suffering as you went through, it sounds like it was transformative.

01:29:31.680 It was absolutely a wake-up call.

01:29:33.840 It gave me everything I needed to look into the mirror and look at the man staring back to

01:29:40.420 realize you're in trouble.

01:29:42.740 Well, you've done A, B, C, D, E, F, G wrong.

01:29:48.560 Wow.

01:29:49.580 That's the beginning of wisdom and freedom.

01:29:52.120 That's the point.

01:29:54.040 I feel for the first time in my life, free.

01:29:57.200 Free of, I have no reservations to what I'll say.

01:30:00.820 I have no reservations of what I care, of what society thinks of me.

01:30:04.320 And I don't want to fit your social, normative, whatever bullshit.

01:30:10.140 I want to embrace the better parts of life.

01:30:13.480 And those to me are my family, my friends, my health, my pets.

01:30:19.240 That's what, I don't care.

01:30:20.760 I don't need to live in the most beautiful house with the most beautiful curb appeal.

01:30:24.460 I don't have to drive the nicest cars.

01:30:26.560 I don't have to have the fanciest shoes.

01:30:28.500 None of that matters.

01:30:29.880 I lost complete and total interest after being encapsulated and captured by the consumer mind

01:30:37.860 virus of I must buy the whatever couture and I have to have the two, $3,000 suits and the

01:30:45.100 $800.

01:30:45.560 What the fuck are we doing?

01:30:48.380 I agree.

01:30:49.240 It's like so sobering.

01:30:52.040 It's almost like as if I've lived drunk my entire life and I became sober for the first time.

01:30:58.560 Are you sure you weren't in a monastery?

01:31:00.020 Are you sure it was prison?

01:31:01.280 I'm telling you.

01:31:02.380 It sounds so cleansing.

01:31:03.740 I'm telling you, it was cleansing.

01:31:06.560 It was, it's, I feel, I wake up every day.

01:31:10.160 I've now reassumed my position of going to mass every Sunday.

01:31:13.880 It's been two Sundays I'm out.

01:31:15.000 So I'm at mass.

01:31:16.160 The priest is apoplectic that he sees me there.

01:31:18.360 I'm singing.

01:31:19.440 I'm praying as loud as the 80 little 80 year old like Bible thumper next to me.

01:31:26.420 I am, I'm proud to be there.

01:31:28.780 I am proud to, to literally partake in what I believe saved my life and I will forever

01:31:34.920 do it.

01:31:35.360 I will forever.

01:31:36.280 You're making me emotional.

01:31:37.060 No, it's beautiful.

01:31:38.460 It's just absolutely bizarre.

01:31:40.580 Like all it took was you falling that, you have to hit rock bottom sometimes in order

01:31:47.740 to realize what you have.

01:31:50.600 Yes.

01:31:50.820 And I thank God and I thank God profoundly for letting me hit rock bottom because if not,

01:31:57.180 I would still be spiraling out of absolute control in a ball of chaos like I was prior

01:32:03.040 to going to prison.

01:32:03.920 I've been there.

01:32:04.500 That is what an amazing story.

01:32:07.880 So where did you go your first night?

01:32:10.440 Home.

01:32:11.600 I went home.

01:32:13.460 I slept in my bed.

01:32:15.360 I took a shower, an hour long shower with no flip flops, no concerns of the soap falling

01:32:22.260 on the dirty floor, actual shampoo and all like, like I put on every cosmetic product I had

01:32:30.280 in the bathroom.

01:32:31.580 Ooh, what's this?

01:32:32.200 A face scrub.

01:32:33.000 Ooh, a body scrub.

01:32:34.360 I had the loofah going on.

01:32:36.160 I was just like, I need to do everything in here.

01:32:39.300 Like it just felt so liberating.

01:32:41.960 And I cried in the shower and it was, it wasn't tears of pain.

01:32:45.780 It was tears of joy.

01:32:46.960 Like the simplest thing, a shower, a shower.

01:32:50.780 And then what do I want to eat?

01:32:52.560 Sushi.

01:32:53.220 The next day I woke up, I said, I need to have sushi.

01:32:56.360 I need guarantees that I'm eating something that was barely dead before I consumed it.

01:33:00.540 Because I was so tired.

01:33:01.980 Not expired sushi.

01:33:02.700 Frozen, expired.

01:33:03.960 I couldn't do it anymore.

01:33:05.280 So I said, I need sushi.

01:33:07.220 So we got really good sushi, had a great time.

01:33:11.560 And I've been nonstop, believe it or not.

01:33:14.880 It's been as if I've never left almost because you go right into the media cycle and you're

01:33:20.740 traveling and you're talking and you're doing these interviews.

01:33:23.800 But this is the first long format interview I do.

01:33:27.080 And I reserved it for you because I thought it was appropriate.

01:33:29.960 When I spoke to your booker and your staff, I said, yes, right away.

01:33:35.340 Because I said, I finished all of it at Tucker.

01:33:39.400 I gave you the last word.

01:33:41.360 And I only thought it'd be great to give you the first word long format.

01:33:44.760 Because you can do five, six, seven minute hits.

01:33:47.180 You know what they're like.

01:33:48.000 You don't get anything out of them.

01:33:49.420 So you can't tell the story.

01:33:51.700 And I just, I know I just, I said this at the beginning, but I just didn't think we were

01:33:56.020 going to see you for years.

01:33:57.840 The fact that it's not seven years later.

01:34:00.460 So I guess there's something to be said from 84, 80, from 87 months to 84 days.

01:34:06.080 But I can tell you, the 84 days made such a difference.

01:34:13.940 Mainly the torturous nature of isolation and the dehumanizing nature of which I was treated

01:34:22.000 really put my entire life back into perspective for me.

01:34:25.980 It's almost as if it was the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

01:34:30.120 But at the same time, worked almost as a blessing.

01:34:35.460 Oh, I believe that.

01:34:36.360 And I live in the in-between gray trying to figure out if I hate it or I love it.

01:34:43.740 And I don't know yet.

01:34:45.300 Maybe with throughout the years, I'll figure that out.

01:34:48.080 But I still resent it very much.

01:34:50.780 And it brings me great pause when I think of the following.

01:34:55.340 If they can do this to me.

01:34:57.280 Well, exactly.

01:34:58.040 That's exactly right.

01:34:59.020 If they can do this to me, imagine what other people are going to do.

01:35:03.580 I've been thinking that through your entire narrative.

01:35:06.560 You know, you're a very famous person, member of Congress, know everybody, obviously highly

01:35:13.260 motivated, very resistant to being bossed around.

01:35:16.740 So you're like their nightmare.

01:35:18.400 And they still treated you this way.

01:35:20.240 Imagine if you were just some guy.

01:35:22.180 I mean, imagine the horror stories.

01:35:24.680 Now, it puts into perspective that I've always listened to two.

01:35:27.660 I'm very guilty of this.

01:35:30.040 Every time I've ever worded the words, oh, we need prison reform.

01:35:32.800 Like, who cares?

01:35:33.700 It's a bunch of prisoners.

01:35:35.020 It's a bunch of criminals.

01:35:35.880 Who cares?

01:35:37.220 They should be thankful they're not dead.

01:35:38.680 We should give them the chair.

01:35:39.600 Like, I would say outrageous things like that.

01:35:42.300 Yep.

01:35:42.800 And now I sit here and I think, wow.

01:35:45.640 Now I understand what they were talking about.

01:35:47.620 And we can't discount people's pain and suffering.

01:35:50.060 Totally agree.

01:35:50.540 And it's not a liberal position.

01:35:53.760 It's a Christian position.

01:35:55.020 And you have to treat people with dignity, even wrongdoers.

01:35:58.060 And by the way, we're all wrongdoers, if we're going to be honest about it.

01:36:00.700 You know what my stance is?

01:36:02.340 I'm pro-life.

01:36:03.460 Yeah, me too.

01:36:03.960 Not just for the unborn.

01:36:06.300 I totally agree.

01:36:06.960 I disagree with death sentences.

01:36:08.500 I agree with you.

01:36:08.700 And a lot of people get on me for that.

01:36:11.180 If I disagree with ending the life of an unborn child, what makes you think I'm going to agree

01:36:18.040 with taking the life of a fully developed human?

01:36:20.080 I believe in punishment.

01:36:21.220 I believe in incarceration.

01:36:22.460 I believe if you kill, you are a danger to society.

01:36:27.100 You should be put away, but I don't think you should be.

01:36:28.440 But that's the point.

01:36:28.940 We're not allowed to kill.

01:36:29.840 We're not supposed to kill.

01:36:31.340 We are not.

01:36:32.180 No.

01:36:32.540 And we need to end the practices of death penalty, in my opinion.

01:36:35.980 It needs to be revisited.

01:36:37.780 It really does.

01:36:38.560 It treats people like objects.

01:36:39.180 No, I completely vehemently agree with you.

01:36:42.780 So you were out of circulation for a while.

01:36:45.300 You're obviously very connected and like on everything in normal life.

01:36:49.580 Then you're just like off grid, literally in the shoe.

01:36:54.540 What did you notice about the changes that took place in the months that you were gone?

01:36:58.660 Did you notice a different country when you get back?

01:37:00.540 Totally.

01:37:01.280 I'm still trying to struggle with two things.

01:37:03.720 Really?

01:37:04.340 Two very big things.

01:37:05.540 I left and we were celebrating President Trump.

01:37:10.720 And now I come back.

01:37:11.720 There's this weird segment of social media who are all these conservative influencers taking dunks on the president, which I'm like super like lost at.

01:37:22.280 And it all spans from Israel and Palestine.

01:37:25.320 Yes, it does.

01:37:25.920 And I look at that.

01:37:28.000 I'm pretty Zion.

01:37:30.240 I'm pretty prolific Zionist.

01:37:32.400 Okay.

01:37:32.620 But I've also learned throughout the last few months that I don't want my president to be at the mercy of a prime minister who is toxic and causing great pain to our country now.

01:37:44.780 Because President Trump goes out there, puts his neck on the line, does an amazing, formidable peace deal.

01:37:50.640 Amazing.

01:37:51.600 Like something extraordinary.

01:37:52.860 I mean, the man deserves a Nobel Prize.

01:37:55.420 I don't care what anybody says.

01:37:56.700 I don't care what the liberal bench of the Nobel Prize Association or whatever you call them think.

01:38:04.500 The reality is Donald Trump is a peace president.

01:38:08.860 He wants to broker deals of peace and end war.

01:38:12.360 He does this extraordinary measure, is now working towards putting the conflict of Ukraine-Russia to an end.

01:38:17.660 And hopefully we can achieve that only to see that people like Bibi Netanyahu are sabotaging that.

01:38:27.140 I'm concerned.

01:38:29.200 It's shocking.

01:38:29.860 It's shocking because he should be grateful because President Trump is going out of his way, doing a formidable job.

01:38:36.320 Yeah.

01:38:36.880 And this is how you repay him?

01:38:39.000 Spending all this time, all this money, trying to fix other people's problems.

01:38:42.200 Time is a commodity that not a lot of us can afford.

01:38:45.100 So I have to come to realization, despite being a staunch defender of Israel and the Jewish people and their right to exist and their right to be in Israel,

01:38:56.280 I, at the same time now, live in a place where I think it's time we move on.

01:39:02.220 He has become toxic.

01:39:03.740 Yes.

01:39:03.880 He has become pretty much the merchant of death almost, the face of it.

01:39:08.460 Yes.

01:39:08.700 On both sides, every Israeli soldier and family and every Palestinian soldier and Hamas terrorist and family, although I'm not too sympathetic for the terrorists.

01:39:19.260 Yeah.

01:39:19.580 Quite frankly, the only good terrorists alive, the only good terrorists in my world are the ones that are not alive.

01:39:25.080 Yeah.

01:39:25.240 Even though I have this profound opinion of death and life and that we should not kill, but there's a special place in hell for terrorists.

01:39:35.500 Yeah.

01:39:35.620 Let's just put it that way.

01:39:36.700 Especially after what I saw when I was in Congress after the initial October 7th attack.

01:39:40.740 Yeah.

01:39:40.860 The video, I'm sure you saw the video, the baby and that stayed in my nightmares for quite some time.

01:39:47.700 Yes.

01:39:48.240 So, every single death at this point, I think is easily being attributed to Bibi because he is overstepped.

01:39:59.780 Well, yeah.

01:40:00.320 And in two months and a half that I've been gone, it gave me so much clarity because I was out of the rhetoric machine, I was out of the spin room, and I'm just like, my president is going to bat for a man that is not being forthcoming with him.

01:40:17.120 At all.

01:40:17.800 At all.

01:40:18.480 It's humiliating.

01:40:19.320 And, you know, I don't like it.

01:40:21.660 I don't like it.

01:40:22.380 I'm very protective of my country.

01:40:24.040 I'm very protective of President Trump because President Trump is somebody, and everybody is saying, oh, you're going to now go simp for him.

01:40:30.700 I'm sorry.

01:40:31.400 I've been simping, whatever that means, for Trump since 2015, since he came down the golden escalators.

01:40:38.700 Like, there's just, stop.

01:40:41.000 You're barking up the wrong tree.

01:40:42.820 I am a big fan.

01:40:43.980 There's very little he can do at this point.

01:40:46.540 And I mean very little he can do that would make me not like him.

01:40:50.700 I mean, I don't think there's a lot.

01:40:52.140 He can't, if he kills somebody, depending on who it is, I might be like, well, that person had it coming.

01:40:56.900 I'm kidding.

01:40:57.580 I'm not there yet.

01:40:58.440 No, but watching someone you love and admire to whom you're grateful, Trump, mistreated by an ungrateful foreigner whose salary we pay is, like, is beyond.

01:41:08.080 It's just, it's gotten to a point where I, and then there's also this other aspect of this, which is anybody who says what I'm saying now gets accused.

01:41:16.540 Of being on the Qatari payroll.

01:41:18.500 Yeah.

01:41:18.740 So I'm sure, by the way.

01:41:20.500 I've been there, Mr. Santos.

01:41:21.500 By the way, the check has not hit my mailbox.

01:41:26.000 It's like, at this point, I, yeah, well, tell me about it.

01:41:29.820 And then the second thing to really bring it to perspective is, what are we doing in this country to really fix anything?

01:41:39.240 The government shut down.

01:41:40.700 Schumer won't, Schumer wants to make this the Republican shutdown so bad.

01:41:45.460 Yeah.

01:41:45.680 It's almost like Gretchen Wiener in Mean Girls trying to make Fetch happen.

01:41:50.140 It ain't gonna happen.

01:41:51.680 It's not gonna happen.

01:41:53.960 So I don't know how so much has changed in two and a half months, but I'm here.

01:42:01.980 I mean, I'm literally living an existential crisis in my life right now in New York City.

01:42:08.320 I'm at the precipice of having an actual dangerous man become the mayor of the largest city in the country that is responsible for 10% of the American GDP.

01:42:18.440 Become mayor of a $118 billion annual budget.

01:42:25.960 We're leaving.

01:42:27.620 By all barometers.

01:42:29.260 I mean, do you know how I check out my barometers now?

01:42:32.420 They're not polls anymore.

01:42:33.480 I just go to Polymarket.

01:42:35.300 Yeah.

01:42:35.520 When you look at Polymarket, and it's a 93% chance that this Mandami guy is gonna win.

01:42:40.100 Let me tell you something.

01:42:41.280 Mandami is the next mayor of New York City.

01:42:43.540 There's no wishful thinking.

01:42:44.620 There's no sensational ads or sensational headlines on the New York Post that are gonna say,

01:42:51.460 Cuomo eats 10% of Mandami's lead, narrowing the gap.

01:42:56.340 Hello, wake up.

01:42:58.140 It's over.

01:42:59.840 I've learned this throughout the last year.

01:43:01.720 I have yet to see Polymarket get something wrong.

01:43:04.240 Yep.

01:43:04.620 And when I see something like that, it's over.

01:43:07.300 So I'm, and I don't get paid by them to say that, by the way.

01:43:11.400 No, I get it.

01:43:11.720 I'm just making this very clear.

01:43:13.240 It is over.

01:43:15.100 It's cooked.

01:43:16.340 So I look at this.

01:43:17.700 And you're leaving New York.

01:43:18.580 Oh, it's over.

01:43:20.140 I had 37 years, New York City resident, born and raised in Queens, New York City.

01:43:26.140 I have lived in various parts of Queens throughout my life, but I'm originally from Jackson Heights,

01:43:30.100 Queens.

01:43:30.740 Proud of it.

01:43:31.760 My aunt still lives there.

01:43:32.920 She's lived there for 40 years.

01:43:34.460 My dad still lives there.

01:43:35.580 He's lived there for 40 years.

01:43:36.860 I have no desire whatsoever to stay in New York City or New York State at that because

01:43:44.280 it doesn't matter if you're fleeing the insanity of a madman in the city when you have, I lose

01:43:52.300 the words to describe our governor.

01:43:53.960 So I'll just leave it at, you have literally two Looney Tunes running the state and the city.

01:43:59.440 Yes.

01:44:00.520 Where do you go?

01:44:01.500 I'm not staying there.

01:44:02.660 So I'm so happy we're leaving.

01:44:04.840 I mean, I'm literally actively packing.

01:44:07.060 We're packing.

01:44:07.900 We already know where we're going.

01:44:09.740 You're leaving the state.

01:44:10.780 We're totally leaving the state.

01:44:12.300 We're going down South.

01:44:13.340 We're leaving the state.

01:44:14.440 There's nothing left for me there at all.

01:44:17.280 It's shocking.

01:44:18.460 And I love New York.

01:44:19.580 New York.

01:44:19.940 Yeah.

01:44:21.280 My image is largely tied to being a New Yorker.

01:44:24.540 You know, tell it how it is.

01:44:25.940 You're offended to go to prison in New Jersey.

01:44:27.940 I am.

01:44:28.100 That's what a New Yorker you are.

01:44:30.660 You're like a bridge and tunnel prisoner.

01:44:32.300 You hate it.

01:44:32.840 I'm like, I still am offended that he sent me to Jersey.

01:44:35.520 I should have gone to Otisville.

01:44:37.780 So my point is, this is how serious it is to me.

01:44:42.400 So this is another big change.

01:44:43.860 It's an existential one for me.

01:44:45.340 I'm uprooting my life.

01:44:46.860 I'm moving far away from my family because there's, I mean, my poor aunt, she just retired.

01:44:51.780 She, she, she set up, she's well retired.

01:44:54.400 So there's no point in her moving.

01:44:56.220 My dad's about to retire in two years.

01:44:58.520 There's no point in him getting up to move.

01:45:00.560 You know, like they're, they're rooted there.

01:45:02.260 I'm not, I'm 37.

01:45:04.120 I'll put my roots elsewhere.

01:45:05.400 I'll uproot it.

01:45:06.360 I don't care.

01:45:06.940 And it's not a place to raise a family.

01:45:09.360 We're looking to adopt kids next year because we think it's time to like help kids who are

01:45:14.980 abandoned in foster care.

01:45:16.160 Let's, let's adopt two kids, give them a life, put them through school, give them whatever

01:45:19.460 they want, education, give them a fair shake instead of letting them become a statistic.

01:45:22.800 But I don't want them to grow up in a place like New York City.

01:45:25.980 What do you think is going to happen to New York?

01:45:28.280 At first, there's going to be the sticker shock of taxes being raised on the wealthy,

01:45:35.060 but he's categorizing the wealthy people who make over 400,000 a year, which in New York

01:45:39.420 net, you're making about 270.

01:45:41.700 And then about 40% of that goes to, you know, housing, you know, lodging costs, whether rent

01:45:48.220 or mortgage, whatever the, that makeup is, you're not really wealthy.

01:45:52.420 Now you're going to pay an additional 1% so that we can have inefficient free buses

01:45:56.680 because you're not going to get better because they're free.

01:45:59.160 They're just going to get worse in my opinion.

01:46:00.520 And it's, that's going to be the start.

01:46:04.440 Then you have John Katsimatidis, who's a prolific businessman in New York City, who's made it

01:46:09.860 abundantly clear.

01:46:10.680 He's going to take his Red Apple Group and dip New York.

01:46:14.000 And along with it, he's going to close his historic grocery chain because he can't compete.

01:46:20.180 Gristidis can't compete with a city-owned supermarket.

01:46:23.480 There's just no way.

01:46:24.540 So what's the point?

01:46:25.680 So there goes countless jobs.

01:46:27.140 You're going to see every single major corporation start uprooting out of New York.

01:46:32.520 Pretty soon, you're going to leave the stock exchange to the dust mites and whoever dares

01:46:36.740 venture into the city.

01:46:38.360 Just remember, Ken Griffin picked up and left Chicago and took Citadel with him to Florida.

01:46:44.400 And they yelled at him, but he went anyway.

01:46:45.980 You know, guess what?

01:46:47.280 J.B.

01:46:47.820 Prickster can be fat and loud and a billionaire, but he doesn't tell what other people do with

01:46:52.920 their businesses.

01:46:53.380 That's right.

01:46:53.800 When you see an example of that happening in Chicago with Ken Griffin, it should raise

01:47:00.360 flags.

01:47:01.600 Goldman Sachs moved GSAM, their asset management division, all but their retail-facing people

01:47:07.020 out of New York to Brickell, Florida.

01:47:10.660 Like that division, the only people who stayed in New York of their main, the heart of Goldman

01:47:15.820 Sachs, which is GSAM, their asset management division.

01:47:18.840 It's mainly the frontline people who stay, like the people who have the day-to-day because

01:47:22.940 the wealth is still in New York today.

01:47:25.200 It's still there.

01:47:25.980 But the operations end of it is in Brickell, largely.

01:47:29.260 Like when you see these moves being made and you still want to talk about raising the corporate

01:47:33.920 tax by 2%, you're either dumb, death, blind, or all of the above.

01:47:38.920 Because there's just no way you think people are going to stay and corporations are going

01:47:43.680 to be beholden to stay in the state of New York if you make it even less business-friendly.

01:47:48.780 We have had a net loss of over 600,000 people in the course of the last five years in New

01:47:55.560 York State.

01:47:56.480 We're a large exporter of out-migration from the state.

01:48:01.260 Lee Zeldin could have been governor if it wasn't for the 400,000 people who at that point

01:48:05.520 in 2022 had fled to Florida due to the pandemic.

01:48:08.520 He almost did it.

01:48:10.000 He got that close.

01:48:11.360 We have Elise Stefanik, who's a phenomenal congresswoman, who has a shot.

01:48:15.200 But I fear that with this out-migration that's going to occur after Mondami, it might hurt our

01:48:21.520 electability unless Democrats finally see they messed up and they actually give it.

01:48:26.440 Why would they?

01:48:26.560 I don't know.

01:48:26.860 They never do.

01:48:27.760 No one ever apologizes for anything.

01:48:29.700 It just keeps moving in that direction.

01:48:32.640 It's remarkable.

01:48:33.600 New York City is going to become Gotham, and I'm not willing to be the penguin.

01:48:38.920 You can go be Batman.

01:48:42.040 George Santos, this story ended in a way I could never have predicted, but so much better

01:48:46.940 than I ever would have hoped.

01:48:48.340 And I just, what a blessing.

01:48:49.720 And you seem like a man transformed through suffering.

01:48:53.480 Well, that's not the easiest way to transform.

01:48:56.600 No, it's the only way.

01:48:57.440 It's the only way, yeah.

01:48:58.920 And it's, you know what?

01:49:00.160 It paid off in a weird way at the end, and I'm grateful.

01:49:02.980 Thanks to God, and thanks to President Trump, and to everybody who helped and walked that

01:49:06.900 long path with me.

01:49:08.040 And it's great to be here with you.

01:49:09.980 Amen.

01:49:10.840 Thank you.

01:49:11.380 Great to see you.

01:49:11.960 Good to see you.

01:49:12.460 Thank you.

01:49:12.700 Thank you.

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01:49:41.980 The American public deserves to know.

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01:49:53.600 In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America.

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01:51:11.800 9-11 Commission is a cover.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - October 31, 2025

George Santos： Being Tortured, Finding God, and Hearing of Charlie Kirk’s Murder From Behind Bars

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