The Tucker Carlson Show - Glenn Greenwald： Dangerous New Escalation in Russia, & Our Blackmailed Politicians

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00:00:31.460 I think we're watching the most evil thing I've ever seen in my lifetime,

00:00:34.300 which is the lame duck administration leaving the next administration with the world war,

00:00:38.940 with the nuclear conflict, by allowing Ukraine, a proxy state of the United States,

00:00:43.960 to strike within Russia.

00:00:45.260 And I'll just have one editorial comment and then I'm just going to let you go.

00:00:47.920 But I think that people in Washington misunderstand Vladimir Putin

00:00:50.960 and they think he's a monarch with absolute power, which is not true.

00:00:54.320 And Russian politics is complex and it's lively.

00:00:56.680 And Putin is very concerned with his approval rating within Russia.

00:01:00.500 He cannot appear weak.

00:01:02.020 That's a huge threat to him.

00:01:03.380 He feels that, I can confirm.

00:01:05.740 And if he can't hide attacks on him by the United States through Ukraine,

00:01:12.520 either on Moscow or big civilian casualties,

00:01:15.580 I think he will have no choice in his view but to launch like a serious response

00:01:21.960 against Ukraine or NATO countries or possibly the United States.

00:01:25.760 So this seems like the most reckless thing that's ever happened in my life.

00:01:30.140 I hardly have words for it.

00:01:32.400 Let me just...

00:01:32.880 Am I overstating it, do you think?

00:01:34.260 No, no, not even remotely.

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00:02:04.920 So let me just say specifically what has been authorized.

00:02:09.320 This is something that some NATO countries, including the United Kingdom,

00:02:12.960 have been pressuring the Biden administration to do for quite a long time,

00:02:16.420 for at least a year.

00:02:17.500 But going all the way back to the beginning of 2022,

00:02:20.940 this was an option that they had,

00:02:22.220 which was that we have these guided missiles called Atakums,

00:02:25.400 which are very powerful for attacking inside Russia.

00:02:28.740 You can guide them specifically and very precisely to where you want them to go.

00:02:32.900 Obviously, you have to get intelligence about where you want to strike.

00:02:36.300 And the reason we never permitted the Ukrainians to use them is because the Ukrainians can't use those missiles on their own. 0.97

00:02:43.920 In other words, if they want to launch these missiles,

00:02:46.140 it's not just the U.S. giving them the missiles and then telling them,

00:02:48.360 no problem, go and use them.

00:02:49.420 It requires the direct involvement of the United States and or a major NATO country like France or the U.K. or Germany

00:02:56.540 because the Ukrainians don't have the guiding capability in order to know how to launch these missiles.

00:03:02.120 So this is not just us giving them missiles and saying, go attack deep inside Russia.

00:03:07.820 Imagine if some major country, China, Iran, Russia, whoever, gave missiles to Canada if we were at war with them or Mexico or Cuba

00:03:17.100 and said, we're giving you these specifically for you to use them inside the United States.

00:03:22.500 We would consider that a grievous act of war, not just on the part of the country shooting them,

00:03:26.580 but on the part of the country, giving them.

00:03:28.880 What Biden did here is so much worse.

00:03:30.800 He didn't just give Ukrainians missiles and say, feel free to use them inside Russia.

00:03:34.780 We are going to participate in the bombing of Russia, NATO and or the United States, 0.93

00:03:40.320 because there's no way the Ukrainians can launch these missiles on their own, 0.81

00:03:43.320 which means we are now, our military, our intelligence community,

00:03:47.120 are participating in missile attacks inside the country of Russia.

00:03:53.340 This is something that even the Biden administration, for all their hawkishness on Russia and Ukraine,

00:03:58.780 feeding that war, fueling it, preventing diplomatic resolutions because they wanted this war,

00:04:03.320 even they were unwilling to do it because they understood the dangers of the escalatory risks.

00:04:08.580 For Joe Biden, or whoever's acting in his name, to do this just two weeks after the country

00:04:15.100 resoundingly rejected governance by the Democratic Party and the administration,

00:04:20.220 and on his way out as an 81-year-old man, knowing that he has about six weeks left in office,

00:04:27.400 to just say, yeah, I know that these are massive risks, but I'm going to take them.

00:04:31.440 I'm 81.

00:04:32.480 I don't really care.

00:04:33.920 And then to make it so much more difficult for the following administration

00:04:37.560 to do what they promised to do during the campaign, which the American people voted for and wanted,

00:04:42.540 which is to resolve this war.

00:04:43.800 Instead, we're risking escalation with the world's largest superpower, nuclear power.

00:04:51.160 Over what?

00:04:52.160 Over what?

00:04:52.980 I mean, placed in context, too, this is without precedent.

00:04:57.740 And I think it's Blinken.

00:04:58.480 I want to ask about that in a second.

00:04:59.700 But so 1956, Soviets invade Hungary and murder a ton of people. 0.82

00:05:05.760 61, they put nuclear weapons in Cuba.

00:05:08.420 68, they invade Czechoslovakia, murder a bunch of people once again.

00:05:11.800 These are all, you know, incredibly provocative acts, far more provocative than invading eastern 0.65

00:05:16.280 Ukraine.

00:05:17.600 And this was the middle of the Cold War, and no American presidents, Democrats and Republicans

00:05:21.380 in charge during those periods.

00:05:23.460 They didn't respond by attacking Russia.

00:05:27.540 I mean, there's nothing like this has ever happened. 0.87

00:05:29.100 No one's ever been this crazy.

00:05:30.440 Well, this is, you know, my big breach with the left, my big permanent split with whatever

00:05:36.600 they thought I was in terms of associates with them.

00:05:38.660 Wait, is it permanent, too?

00:05:39.500 They hate you.

00:05:40.360 Oh, yeah, I know.

00:05:41.180 And that all happened in 2016 when out of nowhere, Russiagate appeared.

00:05:46.500 And I remember, like it was yesterday, the very first ad from Hillary Clinton's campaign

00:05:50.540 with this like menacing baritone voice, you know, what does Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump

00:05:57.260 have in common?

00:05:58.140 What does Russia have on Donald Trump?

00:06:01.040 And journalistically, I just couldn't believe it because it was so redolent of McCarthyism,

00:06:06.220 which is a civil libertarianism, I found.

00:06:08.600 I was taught it was like one of the worst civil liberties of the 20th century.

00:06:11.660 And by the way, I agree.

00:06:12.840 Yeah, I mean, you go around just accusing people of being Russian agents with no evidence,

00:06:17.500 destroying their reputation, their lives, kind of like what they're trying to do to Tulsi

00:06:20.540 Gabbard now, what they tried to do for Donald Trump for the last eight years.

00:06:23.580 So just on that ground, I was kind of offended by it.

00:06:25.880 And journalistically, I was so skeptical of it because when you have intelligence agencies

00:06:32.480 leaking anonymously unverified claims to the Washington Post and the New York Times,

00:06:37.380 and they put it on the front page and gather Pulitzers for them, that's usually a sign that

00:06:40.500 a huge disinformation campaign of deceit is underway.

00:06:42.960 That was the exact method used, for example, to sell the war on Iraq to the American people,

00:06:48.980 was that kind of process.

00:06:50.280 That's why these intelligence agencies need to be rooted out.

00:06:52.640 But what alarmed me most was that the climate was deliberately created in Washington,

00:06:58.880 especially once Hillary lost and they blamed Russia for it, that any communications with

00:07:05.340 Russia, anyone who visits Russia, anyone who talks to a Russian official is automatically

00:07:09.560 deemed sinister or treasonous.

00:07:13.000 And as you said, during the Cold War, which dominated our American life for 50 years,

00:07:18.020 Ronald Reagan called the Soviet Union the evil empire.

00:07:20.760 They were infinitely more powerful, more threatening, more everything than Russia is now. 0.98

00:07:27.040 We always communicated with Soviet leaders.

00:07:31.000 There were phones all over Washington that rang to the counterparts.

00:07:34.520 They communicated constantly.

00:07:36.560 After Russiagate, there's basically no communication any longer between the Russian leaders and

00:07:42.160 the American leaders.

00:07:43.300 On either side.

00:07:44.180 And I should just say, I mean...

00:07:46.020 Not because Russia wanted that.

00:07:48.280 That was something that in Washington got created because they blamed Russia and claimed

00:07:53.860 that Russia was our existential enemy because of the claim that they interfered in the 2016

00:07:57.960 election.

00:07:58.820 Before that, there was all kinds...

00:08:00.120 The Obama administration and the Putin government cooperated in all sorts of ways around the world.

00:08:05.780 Of course, of course.

00:08:06.840 But it's the leadership of the Republican Party, too.

00:08:09.440 I had a conversation with the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, and he was about to

00:08:13.120 appropriate tens of billions more for Ukraine.

00:08:15.520 And I said, well, why don't you check with Putin?

00:08:17.960 You're the Speaker of the House.

00:08:18.640 You're number three in line from the presidency.

00:08:20.340 Well, what?

00:08:21.300 I said, well, I'll see if I can facilitate that.

00:08:23.420 I'll call the press office.

00:08:24.660 Kind of set you up.

00:08:25.300 Why don't you talk to Putin?

00:08:26.860 No, absolutely not.

00:08:28.320 Will not.

00:08:29.360 Why?

00:08:29.920 Imagine if he had, though, and that leaked.

00:08:31.860 But I'm not excusing him.

00:08:33.220 Why wouldn't he just say, I mean, I'm not attacking Mike Johnson.

00:08:36.240 I guess I am attacking Mike Johnson.

00:08:37.240 I don't know what I'm saying.

00:08:37.840 I'm just reporting what actually happened.

00:08:40.000 I said, you know, like, don't you have a moral duty to get as much information about

00:08:45.600 this war before you fund its continuation and the killing of all these people?

00:08:50.560 Like, shouldn't you know more?

00:08:51.620 No.

00:08:51.760 I think it is important to say that this war has been 100% bipartisan, although the

00:08:56.140 Biden administration, as the leader of the executive branch, is primarily responsible.

00:09:00.320 The primary—there's been about, I would say, five or six dozen anti-interventionist

00:09:06.580 Republicans, typically more Trump supporters, both in the House and Senate, who have spoken

00:09:10.960 out from the beginning against funding this war.

00:09:12.880 But the vast majority of Republicans, to the extent they have a criticism or had a criticism

00:09:17.840 of the Biden administration at all with respect to Ukraine, it was that they didn't do enough.

00:09:21.580 They didn't spend enough money on Ukraine.

00:09:22.980 They didn't give Ukraine enough weapons.

00:09:24.360 They didn't get more involved more heavily and earlier than they should.

00:09:28.820 But, you know, the thing that you said about encouraging Mike Johnson to speak to Putin,

00:09:34.060 which, of course, as the third in line to the presidency, as you said, when they're

00:09:37.280 proposing to escalate a major war, of course you should want to understand the Russian 1.00

00:09:41.420 perspective.

00:09:41.920 This is what Tulsi Gabbard did in 2017 when she was a member of Congress and the Obama 0.57

00:09:50.180 administration had unleashed this billion-dollar-a-year CIA dirty war to change the government of

00:09:56.380 Syria, to dislodge Basra al-Assad from the government.

00:10:00.440 And we fought along ISIS and al-Qaeda, who also wanted Assad gone.

00:10:04.760 We were told those were our existential enemies for 15 years.

00:10:07.460 We fought alongside them to do it.

00:10:09.200 And so many of the weapons we sent ended up in the hands of al-Qaeda and ISIS and other

00:10:12.680 Islamic radical groups in Syria.

00:10:15.200 And Tulsi Gabbard, as a member of the military, but also as a member of Congress with constitutional

00:10:19.200 responsibility to authorize or disauthorize a war, wanted to go to Syria and see what was

00:10:23.400 happening for herself.

00:10:24.460 And then she spoke with Syrian officials and got an opportunity to speak with the Syrian

00:10:27.880 president.

00:10:28.260 And based solely on that, she's now accused of being a Russian agent, being some sort

00:10:34.540 of treasonous sympathizer of Bashar al-Assad.

00:10:39.300 This is the jingoistic climate that has been created, way worse than what prevailed in the

00:10:43.520 Cold War.

00:10:44.380 When Nixon went to China, Reagan negotiated all kinds of arms deals with the Soviets.

00:10:51.240 This is now totally prohibited.

00:10:53.180 It's like we live in a Marvel cartoon for children where there's good guys and bad guys

00:10:57.720 where the good guys, you don't speak to the bad guys.

00:10:59.540 And the good guys are al-Qaeda and ISIS. 0.99

00:11:01.700 They're the good guys.

00:11:02.380 Yeah, we can fight with them.

00:11:03.660 So her point, I don't want to speak for Tulsi Gabbard, our new director of national intelligence

00:11:07.760 nominee, but my view was, I don't have any feelings about Assad or Syria, but it's a

00:11:13.560 fact that that government protected religious minorities, including an ancient Christian

00:11:17.320 community there in the Alawites, of which he's one, in that country for a long time.

00:11:21.620 He and his dad.

00:11:22.420 So why are they my enemy exactly?

00:11:25.460 I don't understand.

00:11:25.960 Like, what does, why should I be opposed to Assad in Syria?

00:11:29.340 Why should I be opposed to Vladimir Putin?

00:11:33.040 I was not supposed to be opposed to the Soviets who were anti-Christian, but now you have a pro-Christian

00:11:37.040 president, I'm supposed to be against him.

00:11:38.460 Tell me, why doesn't somebody explain to me why?

00:11:40.880 As a 55-year-old American taxpayer, I should be against him.

00:11:43.300 So first of all, I think the principle is that, and this is what Donald Trump read explicitly

00:11:48.400 in 2016, was that we shouldn't be involved in wars designed to change the governments of

00:11:55.580 other countries, rebuild their governments, transform their societies, in part because it's

00:12:01.280 not our place to do it, and in part because we're terrible at doing it because they have

00:12:04.720 very complex, rich, long histories that American intelligence officials and political leaders

00:12:10.500 have no understanding of whatsoever. 0.98

00:12:12.640 They don't speak the freaking language. 0.99

00:12:14.140 I mean, they don't know anything. 1.00

00:12:15.460 They know nothing.

00:12:16.540 And we've proven that over and over in all these failed attempts.

00:12:19.420 But also when it comes to, I mean, Tulsi Gabbard's entire worldview, and I have spoken to her

00:12:25.300 about this, I've interviewed her about this, so I feel comfortable saying this, is that

00:12:28.220 she's not in any way anti-war pacifist.

00:12:31.200 She believes that we should be very militarily aggressive against, say, terrorist groups

00:12:35.920 that actually want to attack the United States or have done so, or American assets or American

00:12:40.020 interests around the world.

00:12:40.960 Her argument is, is that we should not be involved in regime change wars of the kind

00:12:44.520 we did in Iraq, that she fought in, of the kind we did in Syria, of the kind we did in

00:12:48.560 Libya, of the kind that we did in Ukraine in 2014 when we actually engineered a coup on

00:12:53.920 the most sensitive part of the Russian border.

00:12:55.020 Of the kind that we're trying to pull off in Russia right now.

00:12:57.100 The point of this is to knock out Putin.

00:12:58.520 Yeah, to weaken that regime, and to, the thing is, though, that what you said about

00:13:03.060 Putin is so important, which is, Putin's critics, he doesn't have very many liberal critics,

00:13:09.040 meaning people to his left.

00:13:10.120 Exactly.

00:13:10.600 His real critics are hardcore nationalists.

00:13:13.140 Exactly.

00:13:13.580 And their criticism of Putin.

00:13:14.800 Who see him as a liberal.

00:13:15.940 Who see him as weak or insufficiently militaristic when it comes to confronting the West, but particularly

00:13:20.340 on Ukraine.

00:13:21.860 They wanted, they wanted destruction of Ukraine.

00:13:23.980 A lot of them are enraged.

00:13:26.280 And as you say, the Russian government has taken the position, warned the United States

00:13:31.240 government privately and publicly, that any use of these missiles involving, as they do,

00:13:39.240 direct US or NATO involvement in their launching against Russia will be seen as the entrance of

00:13:44.660 the United States and NATO as belligerents in this war, as a war against Russia, as World

00:13:48.820 War III, and he will have to treat it as such, even though he's been very constrained, even

00:13:53.120 though he clearly doesn't want a broader war.

00:13:56.100 There are a lot of people inside Moscow who do wield a lot of power who do, and who will

00:14:00.660 demand that he treat it as such.

00:14:02.400 Why wouldn't they?

00:14:04.260 We are attacking Russia. 0.90

00:14:05.600 We're shooting missiles inside Russia. 0.88

00:14:07.120 So I think, as you've said, I don't think we can say it enough, so much of this has been

00:14:13.540 conducted in bad faith, but also so much of that bad faith has been informed by ignorance

00:14:17.000 or uninformed by ignorance, not informed at all.

00:14:19.720 And I think that people really think that Putin is an absolute dictator who can do whatever

00:14:23.040 he wants, and that is not the case.

00:14:24.700 It's not the case.

00:14:25.280 Super complex place.

00:14:26.240 A lot of smart people in Russia, complicated political situation.

00:14:29.220 So I agree completely.

00:14:30.980 We're pushing him toward that.

00:14:32.440 The view, I think, I know, from Putin is that Blinken is driving this, and that Blinken

00:14:39.780 has a lot of hostility, is reckless, but has a lot of hostility toward Russia that has nothing

00:14:44.180 to do with the United States at all.

00:14:47.080 Do you think that's true?

00:14:48.040 Do you think Blinken is driving this?

00:14:49.760 Yeah.

00:14:50.040 I mean, I think Blinken, Jake Sullivan, that's kind of the brain trust as it is.

00:14:56.980 Obviously, Joe Biden has no involvement in this whatsoever, which I think has been a

00:15:02.220 an issue which we've shockingly ignored.

00:15:05.840 Everyone saw what Joe Biden was long before that debate.

00:15:10.140 Everyone knew it.

00:15:11.100 The only people who didn't say so were the media and Democratic allies.

00:15:14.880 After the debate, it became untenable for them to deny it any longer that this is an old man

00:15:19.520 who has lost his cognitive capabilities.

00:15:21.780 Yet he's still the sitting president of the United States.

00:15:25.620 And you had the vice president, understandably, doing nothing for the last four months other

00:15:31.340 than working on her own empowerment through the campaign.

00:15:34.200 She obviously wasn't involved ever in any decision making, let alone when she became the

00:15:38.500 nominee.

00:15:38.900 So the question has been all these consequential decisions we made, deploying massive military

00:15:43.360 assets to the Middle East, making decorations about when we would go to war in the Middle East

00:15:46.680 and for whom, escalating the war in Ukraine, now authorizing the use of these long-range

00:15:51.880 missiles.

00:15:52.260 He's obviously not coming from Joe Biden.

00:15:53.880 He barely understands where he is.

00:15:55.780 It's not a character flaw in his part, but it's just a disability, a clear disability.

00:16:01.600 He's obviously not making any of these decisions.

00:16:03.320 I do think that if you look at the national security crowd that emerged from the Obama

00:16:11.080 presidency, especially the people who were associated with the State Department run by

00:16:15.140 Hillary Clinton and then John Kerry, even before Russiagate in 2016, they had an obsession

00:16:20.240 with Russia.

00:16:21.240 In fact, when Hillary Clinton left the administration as Secretary of State and wrote her book, Hard

00:16:26.540 Choices, the only areas in which she was critical of Obama was her view that he wasn't willing

00:16:31.940 to confront Russia sufficiently.

00:16:33.640 Obama had this view, like sort of this realist view from Brent Scowcroft.

00:16:37.440 Those are the kind of people who like Jim Baker, that why would we send lethal arms to Ukraine

00:16:43.880 and provoke Russia?

00:16:45.060 Ukraine is not a vital interest to us, but it is to them.

00:16:48.080 He wanted to work with Russia and did to facilitate the Iran deal, to bomb terrorist targets in Syria.

00:16:54.000 And there was a faction in the Obama administration led by Hillary Clinton.

00:16:58.440 Blinken was there.

00:16:59.180 All these sort of national security people woven into the, you know, that Victoria,

00:17:03.980 Victoria Nuland was hired by Hillary Clinton. 0.96

00:17:05.800 That's how she made her way into the Obama administration. 0.99

00:17:08.220 They viewed Russia as this grave menace.

00:17:11.860 The reason Putin hated Hillary Clinton was because when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State,

00:17:16.580 the United States openly spent millions of dollars funding opposition groups and organizing

00:17:24.120 protests in Moscow.

00:17:25.420 I mean, we talk about Putin interfering in our sacred politics and our internal affairs.

00:17:30.900 Hillary Clinton was openly funding protests and anti-Putin agitators inside Russia in the 2010 election,

00:17:41.900 in 2012, 2011 or rather.

00:17:44.480 And they were obsessed with Russia well before that.

00:17:48.320 And I do think that Russia is disliked by a lot of people in Washington because of the perception

00:17:55.100 that they are detrimental to our interests in the Middle East and especially to Israel's interest in the Middle East,

00:18:01.560 including their support for Bashar al-Assad in Syria,

00:18:04.720 the fact that they have a good relationship with Iran.

00:18:07.820 It doesn't really always have a lot to do with the United States,

00:18:11.180 but with the interests of other countries as well.

00:18:14.340 So you think that's the prime mover here?

00:18:16.320 Because it is true that Assad is only there because of Russia.

00:18:19.100 I think that's a fair statement.

00:18:21.000 Yeah, that's their ally in the Middle East.

00:18:22.860 And it's been their ally in the Middle East for decades.

00:18:25.060 And just like we support our allies around the world, like Saudi Arabia and Egypt,

00:18:30.000 you know, very savage, brutal dictatorships, but at least to do our bidding,

00:18:33.760 the Russians have theirs as well.

00:18:35.000 They have a long-term relationship with Venezuela, with Cuba, going back to the Cold War,

00:18:37.800 and still do, as well as with Syria.

00:18:40.300 And yeah, the Russians operate in Syria.

00:18:42.760 They protect Assad in Syria.

00:18:44.440 And as a result, they end up being antagonistic to Israel,

00:18:48.920 which ends up being defined as U.S. interests as well.

00:18:51.980 Like there's no separation between the countries.

00:18:53.060 Strictly speaking, this has kind of nothing to do with us whatsoever.

00:18:56.280 I mean, I don't, I honestly, for the past—

00:18:58.980 Unless you see Israel as a part of the United States.

00:19:02.220 You know, I'm not hostile toward Israel, but I think it's a separate country. 0.95

00:19:04.600 It seems to me it would be a separate country as well.

00:19:06.540 It's often not treated as that.

00:19:07.680 I'm just saying, but—

00:19:08.320 Don't pay taxes there.

00:19:09.640 It wasn't born there.

00:19:10.180 So just from an American perspective, without wishing ill on any other country at all,

00:19:15.920 and I really don't,

00:19:17.600 I have been struggling for really since the 2016 election,

00:19:21.220 but particularly since the war began in February of 2022,

00:19:24.100 to identify what exactly would be the U.S. interest in this.

00:19:27.400 And I just can't.

00:19:28.620 And I've really, I think, tried hard.

00:19:30.840 But I just don't see what's in it for us at all.

00:19:33.560 Tucker, there's nobody—

00:19:35.480 I'm certain of this—in the United States,

00:19:38.280 just an average, ordinary American voter,

00:19:41.100 who believes that their life is affected in any way by the question of

00:19:45.460 who rules various provinces in the Donbass, in eastern Ukraine.

00:19:49.920 Nobody thinks about Ukraine, let alone the Donbass, let alone eastern Ukraine.

00:19:54.500 It's an incredibly complex situation there in terms of the people's allegiances,

00:20:00.100 which are far closer to Moscow than they are to Kiev.

00:20:02.900 The question of what that territory should be.

00:20:06.220 Should it be semi-autonomous?

00:20:07.500 Should it be used as a buffer against the West? 0.76

00:20:09.920 The whole framework, as you well know, and as other people have pointed out,

00:20:14.200 when Russia agreed to the reunification of Germany,

00:20:17.000 which was obviously an extraordinary thing for the Russians to agree to,

00:20:20.480 given the Russian history in the 20th century with respect to Germany,

00:20:23.760 when the Berlin Wall fell and they allowed the eastern and the western parts of Germany

00:20:28.980 to reunite and to become part of the West and become part of the EU,

00:20:32.980 the only concession they extracted in exchange for that was,

00:20:37.480 okay, with reunification, NATO is now moving eastward closer to our border.

00:20:42.000 In a country that has devastated our country twice in two world wars,

00:20:47.080 invaded Russia twice, killed tens of millions of Russian citizens,

00:20:50.540 the only thing we need as a security guarantee in exchange for allowing that

00:20:54.080 is that NATO will never expand one inch eastward beyond what was East Germany.

00:20:59.340 And the United States agreed to that.

00:21:01.080 And immediately in the 90s, under the Clinton administration,

00:21:03.920 the Clinton administration started talking about it and implementing NATO expansion eastward toward Russia,

00:21:09.280 exactly what was promised to Gorbachev the United States would not do

00:21:11.980 in exchange for them agreeing to reunification.

00:21:14.660 And why?

00:21:16.500 Why did we need to expand our influence eastward toward Russia?

00:21:21.160 And now it's not just eastward in general,

00:21:23.320 it's going directly up to the Russian border on the part of their border

00:21:26.500 that has been invaded twice in Ukraine to destroy Russia in both of those world wars.

00:21:32.600 We also participated in the change of government.

00:21:35.840 We removed the democratically elected leader of Ukraine

00:21:37.940 before his constitutional term was expired in 2014

00:21:40.220 because we perceived him as being too friendly to Moscow,

00:21:43.940 which is who the Ukrainians voted for,

00:21:45.560 and replaced him.

00:21:46.600 Victoria Nuland constructed a government,

00:21:48.360 and it was replaced by a government that was more pro-U.S.

00:21:51.320 Imagine if the Russians engineered a coup in Mexico 0.75

00:21:55.240 to take out the government because they were too friendly to the U.S.

00:21:57.880 and put in a hardline, pro-Russian, anti-American, anti-NATO president.

00:22:03.660 Imagine how threatening we would regard that as.

00:22:05.940 And that's exactly what we did in Ukraine.

00:22:07.460 The question is, though,

00:22:09.140 this has nothing to do with the national security of the American people.

00:22:12.380 No American is threatened by who governs Ukraine.

00:22:15.380 What they're threatened by is what the United States is doing in Ukraine,

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00:24:32.040 So, I find it so terrifying.

00:24:36.860 I'm not...

00:24:37.300 I don't think I'm sort of overstating that.

00:24:39.660 I mean, we are on the brink of a global war.

00:24:42.760 But can I just say one thing about that?

00:24:44.240 Don't you think...

00:24:44.980 Aren't you kind of amazed by

00:24:47.260 how impervious and dismissive

00:24:51.960 media and political leads are

00:24:53.780 of the prospect of nuclear war?

00:24:55.100 Well, I...

00:24:55.760 It's unimaginable.

00:24:56.860 And yes.

00:24:58.200 And I mean, it's...

00:24:59.280 Like, they think it can't happen.

00:25:00.080 It just won't happen.

00:25:00.960 It's not worth thinking about.

00:25:01.800 Yeah, and I will say the one thing

00:25:05.360 that Trump has said repeatedly

00:25:07.160 over the past,

00:25:08.960 certainly since he left the presidency,

00:25:10.260 four years,

00:25:11.480 that he's received no credit for

00:25:13.660 and should get enormous credit for

00:25:14.740 is that nuclear war is the worst thing.

00:25:17.240 He was, of course,

00:25:17.880 been briefed on it

00:25:18.540 as the person who controlled

00:25:19.700 the launch codes.

00:25:21.320 He knows what it means.

00:25:23.140 And anyone who spends five minutes

00:25:25.020 looking into what a nuclear exchange

00:25:26.660 would actually, you know, do

00:25:30.460 is terrified of it.

00:25:33.020 But only Trump seems worried about it.

00:25:35.100 I don't understand why.

00:25:36.200 Yeah, I've said this.

00:25:37.040 I've talked about this so many times.

00:25:38.460 And I think it goes back

00:25:39.420 to when Trump was president

00:25:40.160 in the early stages of presidency.

00:25:42.920 Every time Trump talks about

00:25:44.760 the prospect of nuclear war,

00:25:47.520 he knows that he's limited

00:25:49.680 in what everything he can divulge.

00:25:52.000 But he's so clearly trying to signal,

00:25:54.120 and he often says it,

00:25:54.960 these weapons are of a different universe

00:25:57.020 than even the ones we dropped in Japan.

00:25:58.640 That's correct.

00:25:59.640 And he's obviously, as you said,

00:26:01.440 understands and been briefed on. 1.00

00:26:02.800 But you see these morons 1.00

00:26:03.760 at the Atlantic Council 1.00

00:26:04.620 or AEI or HUD Center 1.00

00:26:06.040 or this cluster of the dumbest people 1.00

00:26:07.940 in the world, 1.00

00:26:09.180 all implicated in the Iraq disaster,

00:26:11.220 say, well, you know,

00:26:12.020 maybe tactical nukes are fine.

00:26:14.560 That we, that an nuclear war

00:26:15.540 can be contained.

00:26:15.940 That's like such next level crazy.

00:26:17.420 Like that's crazier 0.98

00:26:18.060 than any schizophrenic 0.97

00:26:19.100 sitting next to you

00:26:19.700 on a public subway.

00:26:21.780 Well, yeah, I mean.

00:26:22.320 That's crazy.

00:26:22.840 We constantly call like RFK Jr.

00:26:24.560 They call him crazy.

00:26:25.840 They call, you know, 0.51

00:26:26.780 Tulsi Gabbard or Matt Gaetz crazy,

00:26:28.200 whoever.

00:26:29.100 These people who have been in power,

00:26:30.640 who have been generating

00:26:32.380 American orthodoxy,

00:26:33.460 especially on foreign policy, 1.00

00:26:34.980 are the most insane people 1.00

00:26:37.200 on the planet. 0.99

00:26:38.000 It's because-

00:26:38.520 Actually.

00:26:39.000 The United States has been

00:26:40.000 the most powerful country

00:26:41.580 in the world.

00:26:42.000 No one could constrain it.

00:26:42.980 No one could stand up to it.

00:26:44.500 And as is true with everything,

00:26:46.180 that level of unconstrained power

00:26:47.900 corrupts people.

00:26:49.680 That is correct.

00:26:50.160 People have been in control

00:26:51.280 of this power for decades.

00:26:53.560 That is correct.

00:26:53.900 Passed on one to another

00:26:55.040 through this dogma

00:26:55.700 that gets increasingly

00:26:56.780 out of touch

00:26:58.480 and detached from reality.

00:27:00.620 And the-

00:27:01.620 Megalomaniacal.

00:27:02.980 Absolutely.

00:27:03.480 Exactly.

00:27:04.420 I mean,

00:27:04.780 at least during the Cold War.

00:27:05.820 I'm not saying it was a good thing,

00:27:06.720 but the Soviet Union

00:27:07.340 and the United States

00:27:07.820 were of equal power.

00:27:08.800 They were competing

00:27:09.300 with one another.

00:27:09.940 They were both very constrained

00:27:11.180 in what they were.

00:27:12.200 They both were petrified

00:27:13.300 of a nuclear war.

00:27:13.900 We almost came to

00:27:15.320 nuclear apocalypse

00:27:16.000 at least twice,

00:27:17.540 especially in the

00:27:18.560 Cuban Missile Crisis

00:27:19.280 through misperception

00:27:20.400 and miscommunication

00:27:21.240 when a Russian commander

00:27:22.700 of a submarine

00:27:23.160 thought incorrectly

00:27:24.240 that they were using

00:27:25.020 nuclear weapons

00:27:25.620 against the submarine

00:27:26.400 and against Cuba

00:27:28.040 and almost launched

00:27:29.240 the nuclear weapons

00:27:30.300 at the sub-camp,

00:27:30.920 about five minutes away

00:27:31.720 from doing so

00:27:32.240 until someone intervened

00:27:33.200 on that sub

00:27:33.740 and said,

00:27:34.040 I don't think that

00:27:34.580 this is actually an attack.

00:27:36.420 It's very possible.

00:27:37.680 We've come to the brink

00:27:38.780 of it before.

00:27:40.640 It probably is

00:27:41.900 the single greatest threat

00:27:43.240 to the survival

00:27:44.520 of the species.

00:27:45.340 Not probably.

00:27:46.460 It definitely is

00:27:47.180 the use of nuclear weapons.

00:27:48.660 Every time Trump

00:27:49.460 talks about it,

00:27:50.120 you can see the fear

00:27:51.240 that he has

00:27:52.000 he's trying to convey

00:27:52.860 to others.

00:27:53.780 Every time.

00:27:54.360 And I'm,

00:27:57.480 I mean,

00:27:58.140 Tucker,

00:27:58.480 I'm amazed.

00:27:59.800 This is like impeachment

00:28:00.900 level stuff

00:28:01.680 for Joe Biden

00:28:03.920 on his way out

00:28:05.040 of the door

00:28:05.500 to involve the U.S.

00:28:07.340 directly in a war

00:28:08.200 for the first time.

00:28:09.020 We've been very involved

00:28:09.860 in other ways.

00:28:10.740 They should impeach him.

00:28:11.920 Why doesn't the Speaker

00:28:12.740 of the House impeach him right now?

00:28:14.300 There's a question on the president's ability

00:28:15.860 to involve the U.S.

00:28:17.260 in a war

00:28:17.580 without congressional authorization,

00:28:18.820 which is exactly

00:28:19.800 what has happened

00:28:20.480 through the use

00:28:21.640 of these missiles,

00:28:22.240 which, as I said,

00:28:22.820 we need to help direct.

00:28:24.820 And the question is,

00:28:25.560 yeah, why?

00:28:26.720 The answer, though,

00:28:27.540 is that the vast majority

00:28:28.640 of the Republican caucus

00:28:29.680 in the House

00:28:30.300 and in the Senate

00:28:30.880 supports what Joe Biden

00:28:32.460 is doing,

00:28:32.900 thinks he should have done

00:28:33.620 this a year ago.

00:28:34.680 and there's probably

00:28:38.100 not a lot of anger

00:28:39.500 in the House

00:28:40.060 and Senate over this, 0.62

00:28:41.060 except the question

00:28:42.600 that it's called

00:28:44.260 lame duck for a reason.

00:28:45.420 A lame duck

00:28:45.940 is supposed to be

00:28:46.760 a duck that really

00:28:47.640 doesn't do much,

00:28:48.400 can't do much,

00:28:49.100 doesn't move much.

00:28:50.360 It's, by design,

00:28:51.400 pretty limited.

00:28:52.000 It's like this transition period.

00:28:53.380 Yeah, he's floating in the water

00:28:54.280 because he's been shot.

00:28:55.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:55.920 His legs are broken.

00:28:57.620 And so he's lame.

00:28:59.140 This is not

00:29:01.320 a lame duck

00:29:02.860 decision.

00:29:04.440 And it's not like

00:29:04.900 there was any emergency to it.

00:29:06.420 It wasn't,

00:29:07.060 there was no emergency to it.

00:29:08.180 They just wanted to escalate it

00:29:09.500 because they thought

00:29:10.140 Trump wouldn't.

00:29:11.040 And so they did.

00:29:14.540 It puts us in this

00:29:15.960 remarkable moment

00:29:17.720 where the only adult

00:29:19.220 is Vladimir Putin.

00:29:20.360 This person we've been told

00:29:21.740 is Hitler 0.98

00:29:22.220 and deranged, 1.00

00:29:23.600 crazy, 1.00

00:29:24.420 dying of 0.59

00:29:24.900 nine different kinds of cancer,

00:29:26.700 can't be trusted.

00:29:28.260 Like,

00:29:28.480 the only reason

00:29:29.220 we're not,

00:29:29.760 I mean,

00:29:30.020 we're all relying

00:29:31.260 on his restraint.

00:29:33.060 That's just a fact

00:29:33.800 right now.

00:29:34.800 How weird is that?

00:29:36.020 Well,

00:29:36.420 I mean,

00:29:36.780 first of all,

00:29:37.380 this is what amazes me

00:29:38.740 is that

00:29:39.400 sometimes propaganda,

00:29:41.320 and propaganda is,

00:29:42.700 you have to respect it.

00:29:43.740 It's a very potent

00:29:44.740 field of human knowledge

00:29:46.340 that has been refined

00:29:47.340 over many decades

00:29:48.160 using every field

00:29:49.120 of discipline,

00:29:49.800 social sciences

00:29:50.940 and psychology

00:29:51.760 and psychiatry.

00:29:52.720 I mean,

00:29:53.140 propaganda is not just some,

00:29:54.520 you know,

00:29:55.760 intuitive thing

00:29:56.720 that people do.

00:29:57.440 It's not just an argument.

00:29:58.260 It's not just an argument

00:29:58.460 that you make.

00:29:59.540 And it's very powerful.

00:30:01.340 And we love to talk about

00:30:02.780 how propagandized

00:30:03.740 the Russians are 1.00

00:30:04.640 and the Chinese are

00:30:05.960 and how there's no

00:30:08.040 dissent allowed.

00:30:11.200 You know,

00:30:11.440 George Orwell

00:30:12.240 in the preface

00:30:13.500 to Animal Farm

00:30:15.240 wrote,

00:30:16.500 actually to 1984,

00:30:17.820 wrote an essay

00:30:19.000 where he was essentially

00:30:19.880 saying that

00:30:21.380 overt totalitarianism

00:30:23.380 of the kind

00:30:24.120 that was taking place

00:30:24.780 in the Soviet Union

00:30:25.580 is repressive,

00:30:27.000 but it's not nearly

00:30:28.460 as effective

00:30:29.120 as subtle repression,

00:30:31.740 the kind where

00:30:32.260 you give the illusion

00:30:33.080 that people are free,

00:30:34.420 but in reality,

00:30:35.220 the flow of information

00:30:36.040 is heavily controlled

00:30:37.520 because at least when,

00:30:38.640 you know,

00:30:39.200 the guys dressed in black

00:30:40.200 with weapons

00:30:40.800 come and take you 0.99

00:30:41.380 and put you in a gulag 0.99

00:30:42.240 for criticizing the government,

00:30:43.520 everybody understands

00:30:44.440 the level of repression.

00:30:45.920 It often generates

00:30:46.620 a backlash,

00:30:47.060 but when you combine

00:30:48.040 repression

00:30:48.480 with the illusion

00:30:49.060 of freedom,

00:30:49.860 that's what's

00:30:51.180 incredibly effective

00:30:52.020 and that's what we have.

00:30:52.900 And you tell people

00:30:53.160 with an abundant

00:30:53.800 consumer economy,

00:30:55.260 like, you know,

00:30:55.880 here are your edibles,

00:30:57.480 here's your Netflix,

00:30:58.340 calm down.

00:30:59.580 Yeah.

00:30:59.960 And you can basically

00:31:01.320 get them to do anything.

00:31:02.600 Yeah, and at the same time,

00:31:03.880 there has been

00:31:04.620 a concerted effort

00:31:05.460 to control

00:31:06.060 what was supposed

00:31:06.600 to be the one innovation

00:31:07.900 that was going to break

00:31:09.040 the centralized control

00:31:11.380 of information,

00:31:11.960 which is the internet.

00:31:12.620 That's why there's

00:31:13.300 so much attention

00:31:14.220 and energy.

00:31:14.900 It's why it's

00:31:15.300 the number one priority

00:31:16.140 of Western power centers

00:31:17.040 to control the internet

00:31:17.880 because it's the one threat

00:31:19.360 to their ability

00:31:20.000 to maintain

00:31:20.620 this propagandistic control.

00:31:23.020 Do you know,

00:31:24.040 I still can't believe this,

00:31:25.700 that it's not talked

00:31:26.480 about as much,

00:31:27.520 but right after

00:31:28.660 Russia invaded Ukraine

00:31:29.660 and Western governments

00:31:30.600 decided they wanted

00:31:31.480 full-on support

00:31:32.620 for Ukraine

00:31:33.200 and this very

00:31:34.780 simple-minded narrative

00:31:35.780 that they fed

00:31:36.820 their public.

00:31:37.880 After they started

00:31:38.920 the war,

00:31:39.520 when the Biden administration

00:31:40.120 started,

00:31:40.480 that's my view of it.

00:31:41.780 They knew

00:31:42.680 that Russia would invade

00:31:44.220 if they publicly

00:31:45.360 pushed Zelensky

00:31:46.200 to join NATO,

00:31:46.960 so they did that.

00:31:47.700 Kamala Harris did it

00:31:48.460 and Russia invaded it.

00:31:49.400 My view is

00:31:49.840 they started this war.

00:31:50.600 Ian Threatt

00:31:51.340 talking openly

00:31:52.000 about expanding NATO

00:31:52.860 to Ukraine.

00:31:53.400 You can find memos

00:31:54.140 from the highest levels

00:31:54.900 of the U.S. government

00:31:55.660 saying if you do that,

00:31:56.860 it's not just Putin,

00:31:57.720 it's every political faction

00:31:58.780 in Russia

00:31:59.500 that will see it

00:32:00.000 as a war

00:32:00.340 and they'll annex

00:32:02.260 Crimea

00:32:02.560 and invade eastern Ukraine.

00:32:04.200 Of course,

00:32:04.800 the American government

00:32:05.400 knew that.

00:32:05.800 You can show documents

00:32:06.640 where it says that,

00:32:07.600 but the EU,

00:32:11.740 the minute

00:32:12.420 that war started

00:32:13.900 in earnest

00:32:15.420 with the Russian army

00:32:16.200 invading,

00:32:17.460 one of the very first

00:32:18.440 steps they took

00:32:19.220 legislatively

00:32:19.820 was to ban

00:32:20.900 the platforming,

00:32:22.600 to criminalize

00:32:23.440 the platforming

00:32:24.260 of Russian media

00:32:25.200 like RT

00:32:27.760 and Sputnik.

00:32:29.120 They made it a crime 0.91

00:32:30.200 and YouTube

00:32:31.400 immediately pulled it off

00:32:32.580 because they didn't want

00:32:33.460 their citizens

00:32:33.960 hearing any information

00:32:35.360 from the Russian perspective.

00:32:36.580 I mean,

00:32:38.020 you can hate Russia, 0.83

00:32:38.900 you can think Russia is evil, 0.58

00:32:39.880 you can think whatever 0.57

00:32:40.420 you want about Russia,

00:32:41.240 but why wouldn't you

00:32:42.000 want to hear

00:32:42.700 from the other side?

00:32:44.340 You know,

00:32:44.680 the New York Times

00:32:45.240 used to publish

00:32:45.980 all the time

00:32:46.980 like the speeches

00:32:47.560 of Brezhnev

00:32:48.580 and Yuri Andropov

00:32:52.100 and Khrushchev

00:32:53.380 and you could read

00:32:54.360 what the Russians would say.

00:32:55.220 They would come to

00:32:55.540 the United States,

00:32:55.980 they would speak openly.

00:32:57.800 Now it's

00:32:58.820 practically criminalized.

00:33:01.140 Putin's speech

00:33:02.040 in February 2022

00:33:03.760 to his country

00:33:05.400 nationally,

00:33:06.440 televised there

00:33:07.380 right before the invasion

00:33:09.440 was absolutely

00:33:10.960 just a remarkable speech,

00:33:12.560 which I,

00:33:12.980 by the way,

00:33:13.300 never got around

00:33:13.920 to even looking at

00:33:14.600 before I got to Moscow

00:33:15.440 and I was like,

00:33:15.880 I can interview Putin.

00:33:16.680 I think I should watch

00:33:17.160 that speech.

00:33:17.620 I'd read about it,

00:33:18.860 never watched it.

00:33:20.340 And I think,

00:33:21.140 I mean,

00:33:21.340 you can agree or disagree.

00:33:22.400 You can hate Putin.

00:33:23.160 I mean,

00:33:23.320 it's totally fine.

00:33:24.100 I don't care how people

00:33:25.100 feel about Putin,

00:33:26.600 but most Americans

00:33:28.680 had no idea

00:33:29.680 his thinking

00:33:30.820 in invading Ukraine.

00:33:32.880 Like,

00:33:33.140 no idea.

00:33:33.800 Why wouldn't people

00:33:34.960 want to know?

00:33:36.120 It was just the cartoon

00:33:37.020 where he's an evil

00:33:37.920 Hitlerian figure

00:33:39.100 who wants to reconquest

00:33:40.260 all of Europe

00:33:43.380 the way Hitler did. 0.94

00:33:44.800 Putin has been in office

00:33:45.720 for 25 years.

00:33:47.160 He has gone through

00:33:47.800 six different

00:33:48.500 American presidents,

00:33:49.600 every single one of them,

00:33:51.600 until you were not allowed

00:33:52.440 to say it anymore,

00:33:53.720 always said,

00:33:54.980 you meet with Putin,

00:33:55.720 he's incredibly shrewd,

00:33:57.020 he's incredibly smart,

00:33:58.200 you can trust Putin.

00:33:59.420 If you do a deal

00:33:59.980 with Putin,

00:34:01.020 you can count on the fact

00:34:02.480 that he will adhere to it.

00:34:03.440 Other heads of states

00:34:04.320 still feel that way

00:34:05.160 and say that.

00:34:05.700 Well,

00:34:05.900 American presidents

00:34:06.700 said it all the time,

00:34:07.980 starting with Bill Clinton,

00:34:08.900 that he's rational,

00:34:09.880 that he acts

00:34:10.260 in his self-interest,

00:34:11.200 that he's calculating

00:34:12.100 in terms of,

00:34:13.120 and careful.

00:34:14.460 And then suddenly,

00:34:15.280 this is what amazes me

00:34:16.040 propagandistically,

00:34:17.000 is that overnight,

00:34:18.940 everybody was forced

00:34:20.180 to say

00:34:20.820 that Putin invaded Ukraine

00:34:22.520 simply because suddenly 0.90

00:34:23.480 he became this psychotic, 0.98

00:34:24.820 evil Hitler-type figure 0.99

00:34:25.980 who just wanted 0.73

00:34:26.560 out of the blue.

00:34:27.440 They all believed it,

00:34:28.320 though, a lot of them,

00:34:29.040 but the people

00:34:29.520 who screamed at me

00:34:30.060 at airports

00:34:30.620 for being pro-Putin,

00:34:32.420 which, of course,

00:34:32.760 I've never been pro-Putin,

00:34:34.140 I don't have strong feelings

00:34:34.940 either way,

00:34:35.420 but they really

00:34:36.180 had been convinced,

00:34:37.480 not just by MSNBC

00:34:38.960 and CNN,

00:34:39.560 but by the entire

00:34:40.520 oligarch-controlled 0.94

00:34:42.000 internet,

00:34:43.040 that anyone who

00:34:44.500 talked about Putin

00:34:45.480 and raised questions

00:34:46.080 about the war

00:34:46.540 was for Putin.

00:34:48.740 That worked,

00:34:49.560 propaganda worked,

00:34:50.600 from what I can tell.

00:34:51.720 Tucker,

00:34:52.080 propaganda worked,

00:34:52.780 especially nationalistic

00:34:53.700 propaganda,

00:34:54.060 because human beings

00:34:55.820 evolved over thousands

00:34:56.840 of years to be tribal.

00:34:57.800 We want to feel

00:34:58.940 part of our group.

00:34:59.720 We take pride

00:35:00.260 in our group.

00:35:01.660 It's why,

00:35:02.400 if you're born in America,

00:35:03.040 you say,

00:35:03.460 I'm an American.

00:35:04.120 This is my country.

00:35:05.040 This is what I'm loyal to.

00:35:06.680 It comes from these

00:35:07.500 tribalistic instincts,

00:35:08.700 right?

00:35:08.920 It makes sense

00:35:09.500 because we evolved

00:35:10.440 for thousands of years

00:35:11.120 where if you got expelled

00:35:12.320 from your tribe, 0.78

00:35:13.520 you would die. 0.77

00:35:14.580 You needed a tribe

00:35:15.260 in order to survive,

00:35:15.920 so we're tribalistic animals.

00:35:17.660 So if you appeal

00:35:18.260 to people's tribalism

00:35:19.320 and say,

00:35:20.140 we're the good guys,

00:35:21.000 we're the innocent victims,

00:35:22.440 our enemy

00:35:24.520 are the bad guys, 0.99

00:35:25.680 they're evil, 0.99

00:35:26.620 they're, 0.93

00:35:27.420 you know,

00:35:27.680 that appeals to people's

00:35:29.560 most visceral instincts.

00:35:31.160 And the problem,

00:35:32.140 of course,

00:35:32.540 is the countervailing punishment,

00:35:34.980 which is the minute

00:35:35.640 you question it.

00:35:36.800 You know,

00:35:36.980 I had,

00:35:37.440 from the beginning,

00:35:38.600 I had on my show,

00:35:39.920 you know,

00:35:40.200 people like John Mearsheimer

00:35:41.200 and Stephen Walt

00:35:42.800 and Jeffrey Sachs,

00:35:44.200 and they were all saying,

00:35:45.480 from the beginning,

00:35:47.040 there's no possibility

00:35:48.660 that Ukraine can win

00:35:51.120 this war

00:35:51.780 as NATO has defined it,

00:35:53.880 which means the expulsion

00:35:54.640 of every Russian troop

00:35:55.460 from every inch of Ukrainian soil,

00:35:56.920 just simply on size grounds alone,

00:35:59.060 just basic understanding

00:36:00.940 of history.

00:36:02.000 Every one of them,

00:36:03.360 I'm sure,

00:36:03.820 I think it happened to you too,

00:36:04.780 I know it happened to me,

00:36:05.740 were put on these official lists

00:36:07.140 issued by the Ukrainian government

00:36:08.240 of being pro-Russian propagandist.

00:36:10.480 Everywhere you went,

00:36:11.820 you get accused of being

00:36:12.760 a Russian propagandist

00:36:14.240 or some sort of agent

00:36:15.000 of the Kremlin

00:36:15.480 simply by questioning

00:36:16.840 our own government's

00:36:17.980 propagandistic views

00:36:19.000 or simply trying

00:36:20.120 to understand things

00:36:21.060 from the Russian perspective.

00:36:22.720 Like,

00:36:23.320 this is,

00:36:23.980 you know,

00:36:24.420 after 9-11,

00:36:26.060 the big question

00:36:27.900 on the minds

00:36:28.860 of all Americans

00:36:29.500 after they were traumatized

00:36:31.560 by this extraordinary assault

00:36:32.960 on our soil,

00:36:34.120 designed,

00:36:34.760 obviously,

00:36:35.100 to impose

00:36:35.660 as much suffering

00:36:36.460 and killing

00:36:38.780 as possible, 0.98

00:36:39.520 was,

00:36:39.840 obviously,

00:36:40.460 they asked,

00:36:40.900 like,

00:36:41.160 why do they want

00:36:42.060 to do that to us?

00:36:42.720 Why would people hate us

00:36:43.800 so much

00:36:44.440 that they would

00:36:45.400 devise a scheme

00:36:46.700 as complex

00:36:47.800 and deadly

00:36:48.520 as hijacking

00:36:49.580 planes,

00:36:50.880 passenger planes

00:36:51.640 with box cutters

00:36:53.320 and flying them

00:36:54.140 into major American

00:36:55.700 buildings filled

00:36:56.340 with people?

00:36:56.800 Why would they hate us

00:36:57.700 that much?

00:36:58.660 And they had to,

00:36:59.980 the government had to

00:37:00.840 give an answer

00:37:01.440 to that question

00:37:01.920 because people

00:37:02.440 obviously wanted

00:37:03.080 to know the answer.

00:37:04.000 And that was when

00:37:04.520 David Frum

00:37:05.060 and Cheney

00:37:06.040 and all those people

00:37:06.700 said,

00:37:07.140 they hate us

00:37:07.660 for our freedoms.

00:37:08.860 They just can't stand

00:37:09.640 the fact that women 0.98

00:37:10.220 are allowed to wear

00:37:10.700 bikinis on the beach 0.98

00:37:11.720 and that we have

00:37:13.040 a Congress.

00:37:13.540 And it's like,

00:37:14.220 no one ever thought,

00:37:14.860 well,

00:37:15.260 there's like dozens

00:37:16.500 of countries around

00:37:17.300 the world

00:37:17.620 where women get 1.00

00:37:18.120 to wear bikinis 0.99

00:37:19.100 and have Congresses

00:37:20.080 like in Japan

00:37:21.300 and Korea

00:37:22.120 and all throughout

00:37:23.020 Latin America

00:37:23.620 and like Scandinavia.

00:37:24.940 Why aren't they

00:37:25.380 attacking those places?

00:37:27.220 And then bin Laden

00:37:27.940 wrote a letter

00:37:28.800 in 2002

00:37:29.680 to the American people

00:37:31.280 saying,

00:37:32.080 here's why there's

00:37:32.660 so much animosity

00:37:33.660 toward the United States.

00:37:35.040 And there was,

00:37:35.800 of course,

00:37:36.000 some appeal to religion

00:37:36.980 in it.

00:37:37.500 I made the mistake

00:37:38.220 of reading part

00:37:38.960 of that letter

00:37:39.360 on the air

00:37:39.820 at CNN at the time

00:37:40.840 not to make

00:37:41.740 a kind of point

00:37:42.500 but just because

00:37:43.160 super interesting,

00:37:44.760 you know,

00:37:45.060 and 9-11 changed

00:37:46.140 everyone's life

00:37:46.740 very much including mine

00:37:47.620 and lost a friend

00:37:48.280 that day.

00:37:49.120 Like,

00:37:49.340 just like every American

00:37:50.140 who was an adult

00:37:50.940 on 9-11,

00:37:51.740 it was like,

00:37:52.000 you felt like

00:37:52.440 it was an event

00:37:53.100 that you participated in

00:37:54.060 or it affected you.

00:37:55.080 So I felt like

00:37:55.660 I had every right

00:37:56.220 to read that letter

00:37:57.580 like,

00:37:57.880 hey,

00:37:58.000 this is,

00:37:58.320 he's now saying

00:37:59.560 why he did it.

00:38:00.800 I almost got pulled

00:38:01.560 off the air

00:38:01.900 for doing that.

00:38:02.940 Oh,

00:38:03.220 I know.

00:38:04.640 I just want,

00:38:05.420 I just have to,

00:38:06.020 not only doesn't

00:38:07.920 that surprise me,

00:38:08.640 a lot of people

00:38:09.160 have forgotten

00:38:09.500 that this happens

00:38:10.420 but it's actually

00:38:10.960 quite extraordinary.

00:38:11.820 After 9-11,

00:38:13.940 obviously Osama bin Laden

00:38:14.860 was one of the most

00:38:15.400 important people

00:38:15.880 in the world.

00:38:16.280 He had just

00:38:16.580 perpetrated

00:38:17.600 the worst attack

00:38:18.520 on American soil

00:38:19.240 since Pearl Harbor

00:38:20.060 and a lot of people

00:38:21.820 wanted to interview him

00:38:22.820 or play clips

00:38:23.980 of interviews.

00:38:24.680 The United States

00:38:25.180 government told,

00:38:26.640 called all the

00:38:27.320 network news

00:38:28.180 agencies

00:38:29.260 into the White House

00:38:31.700 and said to them,

00:38:33.080 you should not

00:38:34.320 and cannot show

00:38:35.500 interview Osama bin Laden

00:38:37.260 or show any

00:38:37.900 interviews with him

00:38:38.660 and they

00:38:39.460 invented this

00:38:41.040 excuse as to why

00:38:42.380 which is that

00:38:42.980 he might put

00:38:43.760 some sort of code

00:38:44.880 in his interviews

00:38:46.180 that signaled

00:38:46.960 to sleeper cells

00:38:47.720 inside,

00:38:48.600 like he might

00:38:49.100 wiggle his ear

00:38:50.000 like Carol Burnett did

00:38:51.180 or like,

00:38:52.300 you know,

00:38:52.800 raise his eyebrows

00:38:53.560 three times

00:38:54.260 or blink in a

00:38:54.940 Morse code

00:38:55.520 in a certain way

00:38:56.220 and the networks

00:38:57.260 all obeyed.

00:38:58.240 And the most

00:38:58.920 amazing thing was

00:38:59.580 this letter,

00:39:00.580 which you can go read

00:39:01.760 where he says

00:39:02.460 exactly why

00:39:03.380 all the different ways

00:39:04.740 the United States

00:39:05.220 has brought violence

00:39:06.580 to that region,

00:39:07.120 has interfered in that region.

00:39:07.700 Even like our foreign policy

00:39:08.700 is the bottom line.

00:39:09.680 Yeah, well,

00:39:10.340 we've been bombing

00:39:10.960 that region

00:39:11.520 and interfering in them,

00:39:12.840 opposing dictatorships

00:39:13.920 on those people

00:39:15.660 for decades

00:39:16.560 specifically to suppress

00:39:18.140 the things they believe in.

00:39:20.080 We don't want

00:39:20.580 popular opinion

00:39:21.360 being prevailing

00:39:22.760 in democratically

00:39:23.600 in the Middle East

00:39:24.180 because we don't

00:39:24.780 perceive it in our interests

00:39:25.560 so we've been imposing

00:39:26.280 dictators on them,

00:39:27.620 secular dictators. 0.98

00:39:28.760 We've been bombing them, 0.95

00:39:30.340 we've been sanctioning them,

00:39:31.360 we've been invading them.

00:39:32.260 And, of course,

00:39:33.160 we support Israel,

00:39:34.180 which in that region

00:39:35.120 people view as

00:39:36.140 this grave assault

00:39:38.280 on the rights

00:39:39.000 of Palestinians.

00:39:40.280 But we put bases

00:39:41.380 in Saudi Arabia,

00:39:42.440 which is the most sacred

00:39:43.260 soil to that religion.

00:39:44.640 We imposed a blockade

00:39:46.800 and sanction regime

00:39:47.660 on Iraq,

00:39:49.380 which Madeleine Albright

00:39:50.300 admitted killed

00:39:50.980 500,000 children,

00:39:52.200 but nonetheless

00:39:52.660 said it was worth it.

00:39:54.080 So we've been so active

00:39:55.800 in that region

00:39:56.400 and that's the reason

00:39:57.680 they wanted to attack back.

00:39:58.820 That's the reason

00:39:59.320 the al-Qaeda

00:39:59.640 had so much support.

00:40:00.460 But they banned

00:40:02.460 Osama bin Laden

00:40:03.160 from being heard

00:40:03.760 just like the EU

00:40:04.660 banned Russian state media

00:40:05.760 from being heard

00:40:06.360 because, of course,

00:40:07.000 you don't want Americans 1.00

00:40:07.660 being exposed to this.

00:40:09.620 And then the amazing thing is

00:40:10.900 that letter,

00:40:12.480 which really didn't get

00:40:13.340 much attention at the time,

00:40:14.440 the only place it existed

00:40:15.620 on the internet

00:40:16.100 was on the Guardian's website.

00:40:17.920 And somehow,

00:40:19.720 you know,

00:40:20.120 22-year-olds on TikTok

00:40:21.540 found that letter

00:40:22.720 and they started

00:40:23.920 talking about it.

00:40:25.040 And they were like,

00:40:25.960 oh my God,

00:40:26.380 I was never told this before.

00:40:28.180 He didn't attack us

00:40:29.240 because he hates us

00:40:29.920 for our freedom.

00:40:30.500 He says specifically here

00:40:31.840 why they're attacking us.

00:40:34.460 And in other words,

00:40:35.380 they were reading

00:40:35.800 a historical document

00:40:36.700 and discussing it,

00:40:37.560 things that you would want

00:40:38.380 a free citizenry to do.

00:40:40.340 But the fear

00:40:42.180 that they were allowed

00:40:43.560 to not only read

00:40:44.440 but talk about that document

00:40:45.540 with one another

00:40:45.980 was so intense

00:40:47.000 that in 48 hours,

00:40:49.300 they forced TikTok

00:40:50.340 to ban

00:40:51.580 every discussion

00:40:52.480 of that letter,

00:40:53.280 to remove the hashtags,

00:40:54.640 to find it,

00:40:55.160 to take down

00:40:55.600 any posts or accounts

00:40:56.800 that were talking about it.

00:40:57.780 And then the Guardian,

00:40:59.180 a news outlet,

00:41:00.580 removed that letter

00:41:01.640 which had been there

00:41:02.340 for 20 years,

00:41:03.240 which was of obvious

00:41:04.080 historical and journalistic importance.

00:41:05.740 They removed it

00:41:06.560 from their website

00:41:07.220 because they were too frightened

00:41:08.540 that people were going

00:41:09.260 to be able to read it.

00:41:10.820 Why?

00:41:11.300 Because it prevents

00:41:12.400 the propagandist narrative

00:41:13.620 from being unchallenged.

00:41:15.820 And that's the same

00:41:16.660 with Russia and Ukraine.

00:41:17.820 That shows you

00:41:18.660 how we think

00:41:19.420 we're so free.

00:41:20.300 We hear so much dissent

00:41:22.120 because you have

00:41:22.560 a Republican and Democrat

00:41:23.380 bickering on a cable show

00:41:24.520 about trivial things.

00:41:25.640 You're like,

00:41:26.220 oh, look,

00:41:26.600 we have free debates,

00:41:27.520 open debates.

00:41:28.060 They don't get to have that

00:41:28.960 in Russia and China.

00:41:30.020 But the minute

00:41:30.720 there's information

00:41:31.640 that actually threatens

00:41:33.100 the government

00:41:33.560 that they fear

00:41:34.480 people understanding,

00:41:35.620 they clamp down on it

00:41:36.700 and suppress it

00:41:37.300 and that's what they did there.

00:41:38.760 You wonder why

00:41:39.120 we put up with that.

00:41:40.140 You wonder why

00:41:40.720 we put up with a government

00:41:42.020 that continues

00:41:42.780 to keep secret

00:41:43.780 files about 9-11.

00:41:45.880 It's been 23 years.

00:41:46.960 What could possibly

00:41:47.940 be the justification

00:41:48.660 for not telling me

00:41:50.280 information that I own

00:41:51.360 and have a right to see,

00:41:52.600 which is,

00:41:52.880 what the hell was that?

00:41:54.260 And they constantly lecturing people.

00:41:55.800 Even the JFK files.

00:41:57.380 Especially the JFK file.

00:41:58.640 But much more immediate.

00:42:00.340 It was 23 years ago.

00:42:01.340 But I mean,

00:42:01.700 we're both adults.

00:42:02.500 We remember it very well.

00:42:03.500 Yeah,

00:42:03.660 it affected our lives.

00:42:04.540 I mean,

00:42:04.580 it was like,

00:42:05.200 I was traumatized by that.

00:42:06.620 It was a horrible event.

00:42:07.660 Exactly.

00:42:08.100 And then a lot happened.

00:42:09.100 Our country changed radically

00:42:10.580 because of it.

00:42:11.700 To this day,

00:42:12.400 the Patriot Act exists.

00:42:13.760 Well,

00:42:13.880 it's never been the same country.

00:42:15.440 And in some ways,

00:42:16.320 you know,

00:42:16.540 it was much more successful

00:42:17.740 in its aims

00:42:19.180 than I even want to admit to myself

00:42:20.980 because it's so sad

00:42:21.740 to see what it did

00:42:22.380 to this country.

00:42:22.720 But here's the point.

00:42:24.160 They're constantly,

00:42:25.440 they,

00:42:25.960 meaning the media

00:42:27.300 and the intel agencies

00:42:28.740 which work together,

00:42:29.780 as you know,

00:42:31.320 are constantly attacking

00:42:32.000 other people

00:42:32.740 for being conspiracy theorists 0.76

00:42:34.100 and crazy

00:42:34.800 and desecrating the memory

00:42:35.880 of the 9-11 victims,

00:42:37.060 et cetera,

00:42:37.340 by coming up with explanations

00:42:38.520 that are not authorized.

00:42:40.120 Okay.

00:42:40.700 Then why don't you just tell us

00:42:41.740 what actually happened?

00:42:42.460 Why not just declassify it?

00:42:43.640 What's the answer?

00:42:45.220 It's going to jeopardize

00:42:45.980 sources and methods?

00:42:46.940 That's not true.

00:42:47.860 And we all know that's not true.

00:42:48.960 And you know that this,

00:42:50.580 the importance of

00:42:51.460 protecting those secrets,

00:42:53.380 keeping those documents

00:42:55.260 that might show the truth,

00:42:56.220 not just about 9-11,

00:42:56.860 but JFK.

00:42:57.520 That's the most important thing.

00:42:58.540 It's the,

00:42:58.960 it's,

00:42:59.300 in fact,

00:43:00.040 the whole point

00:43:00.960 of the second impeachment trial,

00:43:02.520 which never made any sense.

00:43:04.840 Why would you bring

00:43:05.500 an impeachment trial

00:43:06.080 against the president

00:43:06.700 on his way out the office?

00:43:07.980 Was because they were petrified

00:43:09.680 that Trump was going to do

00:43:11.080 certain things

00:43:11.780 in that transition,

00:43:13.140 like pardoned Edward Snowden

00:43:14.380 and Julian Assange,

00:43:15.180 which he came very close to doing,

00:43:16.540 but especially

00:43:17.400 fulfill his promise

00:43:18.560 to declassify things

00:43:19.640 like the JFK files

00:43:20.720 and other national security files

00:43:22.380 that had been kept hidden

00:43:24.560 with no justification

00:43:25.880 from the American public,

00:43:27.080 even though it happened

00:43:27.880 decades ago,

00:43:28.880 9-11,

00:43:29.400 JFK.

00:43:30.740 And they told him,

00:43:31.740 if you do that,

00:43:32.880 all the Senate Republicans

00:43:33.640 are going to vote to impeach you,

00:43:34.760 you're going to be convicted

00:43:35.420 and ineligible to run ever again.

00:43:37.120 That was the sword of Damocles

00:43:38.400 they held over his head

00:43:39.540 precisely to prevent him

00:43:40.920 from bringing transparency

00:43:42.280 to the government

00:43:43.060 and allowing the American people

00:43:44.140 to see what they ought

00:43:45.060 to have a right to know.

00:43:45.860 But if your greatest fear

00:43:47.280 is transparency,

00:43:48.200 then you're a criminal.

00:43:49.380 I mean,

00:43:49.760 that's basically proof.

00:43:51.360 I can't think of

00:43:52.300 a better indicator

00:43:54.300 of behavior

00:43:55.300 than the crazed desire

00:43:57.640 to keep that behavior secret,

00:43:59.720 right?

00:44:00.100 Can I,

00:44:00.380 I want to just say

00:44:00.940 something about that,

00:44:01.340 which is,

00:44:01.680 if you think about

00:44:03.480 what a democracy

00:44:05.560 is supposed to be,

00:44:06.180 like what an ideal free society

00:44:07.500 is,

00:44:07.700 whatever you call that,

00:44:09.000 it's supposed to be

00:44:09.820 that everything

00:44:11.140 that public officials do

00:44:13.500 in the name

00:44:14.280 of the public power

00:44:15.400 is supposed to be

00:44:17.420 known to the public

00:44:18.940 with very few exceptions,

00:44:20.020 right?

00:44:20.200 Like if there's a war

00:44:20.820 and they're planning

00:44:21.620 troop movements,

00:44:22.520 they can keep that secret.

00:44:23.560 Yeah,

00:44:23.740 Normandy a week before

00:44:24.860 we can keep it quiet.

00:44:25.780 They don't have to tell everyone

00:44:27.000 that they're going to do that.

00:44:28.160 But outside of those

00:44:29.080 very rare exceptions,

00:44:29.820 we're supposed to know

00:44:30.440 everything about what they do.

00:44:31.760 Of course.

00:44:32.100 Because they're doing it

00:44:32.620 in our name.

00:44:33.100 They're our employees.

00:44:33.840 Yeah,

00:44:34.000 and they're supposed to be

00:44:34.540 accountable to us,

00:44:35.680 but they can't be

00:44:36.200 if we don't know

00:44:36.560 what they're doing.

00:44:37.900 Conversely,

00:44:38.420 they're not supposed

00:44:39.840 to know anything

00:44:40.340 about what private citizens do.

00:44:41.980 They're not supposed

00:44:42.260 to track us

00:44:43.040 or eavesdrop on us

00:44:44.580 or keep dossiers on us

00:44:46.700 or know where we are

00:44:47.520 or where we're going.

00:44:48.660 Unless, again,

00:44:49.460 very rare circumstances.

00:44:50.420 We're criminal.

00:44:51.600 There's probable cause

00:44:52.560 to spy on us

00:44:54.400 because they've convinced

00:44:55.600 the court,

00:44:55.980 as the Constitution requires,

00:44:56.940 that there's probable cause

00:44:57.760 to believe.

00:44:58.660 But except in those

00:44:59.560 rare circumstances,

00:45:00.280 that's why they're called

00:45:01.220 public officials

00:45:01.800 and we're called

00:45:02.300 private citizens.

00:45:03.100 We're supposed to have privacy.

00:45:04.100 They're not.

00:45:04.660 They're supposed to have transparency.

00:45:06.260 Our society is

00:45:07.280 completely reversed.

00:45:09.180 If you're a private citizen,

00:45:10.380 the government knows

00:45:10.900 everything about you.

00:45:12.020 They keep all kinds

00:45:13.040 of data on you.

00:45:13.660 That was the Snowden

00:45:14.220 reporting.

00:45:14.660 Obviously,

00:45:15.020 that's what Edward Snowden

00:45:15.660 revealed was the extent

00:45:16.760 to which we were being

00:45:17.540 surveilled by our own government.

00:45:19.360 Conversely,

00:45:19.960 we know almost nothing

00:45:21.180 about what the government...

00:45:21.760 You know,

00:45:22.400 when I got the Edward Snowden

00:45:24.140 archive,

00:45:24.740 which was hundreds of thousands,

00:45:26.560 if not more,

00:45:27.220 of top secret documents

00:45:28.160 from the NSA,

00:45:30.020 obviously,

00:45:30.460 what was surprising

00:45:30.980 is what was in them

00:45:31.820 and what they revealed.

00:45:33.220 But what even more surprising

00:45:34.200 to me was that

00:45:34.980 the documents,

00:45:36.900 so many of these documents,

00:45:38.000 most of these documents

00:45:38.680 that were marked top secret

00:45:39.620 had no interesting information

00:45:42.720 in them at all.

00:45:43.440 like they just reflexively put

00:45:45.480 like how to get

00:45:46.480 a parking credential,

00:45:47.320 how to ask your supervisor

00:45:48.620 for a vacation.

00:45:49.700 These were top secret

00:45:50.880 because everything

00:45:52.100 the government does

00:45:53.140 reflexively is kept secret

00:45:54.880 from the public.

00:45:55.640 You have no right to know.

00:45:56.160 That's the default.

00:45:56.900 You have no right to know.

00:45:57.420 Right, exactly.

00:45:58.060 So everything is inversed.

00:45:59.780 We,

00:46:00.180 the government knows

00:46:01.040 everything about what we do

00:46:02.060 and we know nothing

00:46:02.720 about what they do.

00:46:03.680 I'm Tucker Carlson for ALP.

00:46:04.740 Now, as you know,

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00:46:06.800 to warn you,

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00:46:18.240 It's addictive

00:46:18.900 and there's an upside to it.

00:46:21.420 Yes,

00:46:21.960 nicotine is an addictive chemical.

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00:47:00.940 ALP is always with me.

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00:47:07.920 That's exactly right.

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00:47:10.120 We're not ashamed of it.

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00:47:22.960 Nicotine.

00:47:23.700 Yes, it's addictive.

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00:47:43.900 So a long time

00:47:45.980 Intel official told me

00:47:47.880 not that long ago

00:47:49.000 I guess I should have known this

00:47:50.960 that the big pornography sites

00:47:52.500 are controlled

00:47:52.960 by the Intel agencies.

00:47:53.880 Save access to the data

00:47:54.640 on those sites.

00:47:56.120 And the reason that they do

00:47:57.400 and I think the dating sites too

00:47:58.980 and the reason that they do

00:48:00.580 of course is blackmail.

00:48:02.380 And once you realize that,

00:48:03.980 once you realize

00:48:04.760 that like the most embarrassing

00:48:05.800 features of your personal life

00:48:07.540 are known

00:48:08.780 by people who want to control you,

00:48:11.500 then you're controlled.

00:48:12.760 And you look at the behavior

00:48:13.680 of some of these people

00:48:14.600 who I know personally

00:48:15.500 and particularly in the Congress,

00:48:16.940 you're like,

00:48:17.320 why are you doing that?

00:48:18.120 You don't agree with that

00:48:19.200 and you're out there

00:48:20.200 doing it anyway.

00:48:21.300 We always imagine

00:48:22.340 that it's just donors.

00:48:23.360 So they're getting paid

00:48:23.920 to do that.

00:48:25.020 I think it's more than donors.

00:48:26.120 I've seen politicians

00:48:26.980 turn down donors before.

00:48:28.480 I've watched it.

00:48:29.480 You know,

00:48:29.700 I don't believe

00:48:30.160 that I'm not doing that.

00:48:30.780 A lot of people

00:48:31.160 have very safe seats.

00:48:32.100 Not everybody is desperate

00:48:33.180 for donors.

00:48:34.320 Exactly.

00:48:34.940 Can I just give you an example?

00:48:36.120 So it's not just the carrot.

00:48:37.220 There's a stick in there.

00:48:38.240 I'm not saying this happened here.

00:48:40.200 I'm not saying that at all.

00:48:41.420 I have no basis for saying it,

00:48:43.000 but I had Mike Johnson

00:48:45.660 on my show

00:48:46.360 about two months

00:48:49.180 before unexpectedly

00:48:50.460 he became the speaker

00:48:51.400 when he just became

00:48:52.400 like the ninth compromised.

00:48:53.020 You had Mike Johnson

00:48:54.100 on your show?

00:48:54.680 Yeah,

00:48:54.920 I interviewed Mike Johnson.

00:48:55.780 And the reason

00:48:56.160 I interviewed Mike Johnson

00:48:56.980 was because...

00:48:59.340 He would not go

00:48:59.900 on your show now.

00:49:00.840 Oh, no.

00:49:01.180 This is why.

00:49:03.540 This is so interesting.

00:49:04.620 I didn't know that.

00:49:04.940 This is why.

00:49:05.400 So, yeah,

00:49:05.980 just by chance

00:49:06.660 I interviewed Mike Johnson.

00:49:07.540 The reason was

00:49:08.280 was because

00:49:09.120 Christopher Wray

00:49:10.200 went before

00:49:11.420 a committee

00:49:12.960 on which he sat

00:49:13.840 in the House

00:49:15.000 and Mike Johnson

00:49:17.420 grilled him

00:49:18.720 about

00:49:19.920 FBI spying,

00:49:21.860 about the involvement

00:49:22.500 of the intelligence communities

00:49:23.620 in our politics,

00:49:24.500 about the attempt

00:49:25.180 to censor the internet

00:49:26.220 coming from

00:49:27.040 the intel agencies

00:49:28.200 and he did it with this

00:49:29.500 great kind of intellect

00:49:32.300 but also this very

00:49:33.400 effective demeanor

00:49:34.520 and I could just tell

00:49:35.920 that he passionately

00:49:36.840 felt passionately

00:49:37.680 about these issues

00:49:38.120 and then I started

00:49:38.560 following more and more

00:49:39.320 of what he was doing

00:49:39.900 and he was almost

00:49:40.620 single-mindedly focused

00:49:41.800 on spying abuses,

00:49:43.760 curbing spying power,

00:49:44.700 curbing censorship.

00:49:45.640 These are blowing my mind!

00:49:47.100 And so we asked him,

00:49:48.000 I said,

00:49:48.320 you know,

00:49:48.620 can you come on my show?

00:49:49.280 And he's like,

00:49:49.540 yeah,

00:49:49.740 I'm a big fan of Glenn's.

00:49:50.700 I think the work

00:49:51.180 that he's doing great.

00:49:51.860 Mike Johnson from Louisiana?

00:49:53.220 Yeah.

00:49:54.220 And he came on my show.

00:49:55.300 Are you making this up?

00:49:55.480 No,

00:49:55.780 go,

00:49:56.140 you can go watch the interview.

00:49:58.200 I'm hard to shock

00:49:58.920 you are shocking me.

00:49:59.620 I had him on my show

00:50:00.500 and after this interview

00:50:03.640 I was like,

00:50:04.020 I love him.

00:50:05.140 One of the reasons,

00:50:05.900 one of the things

00:50:06.260 we spent the most

00:50:06.780 amount of time on

00:50:07.540 was Pfizer reform

00:50:09.140 and the need for

00:50:10.220 Pfizer reform.

00:50:11.040 The fact that-

00:50:11.580 Come on, Glenn.

00:50:12.880 Tucker,

00:50:13.380 I swear,

00:50:14.060 I'm telling you,

00:50:15.540 Pfizer reform was coming up

00:50:16.760 in about three months

00:50:17.740 where they had to extend

00:50:19.100 the Pfizer law

00:50:19.660 that allows the FBI,

00:50:20.720 the CIA,

00:50:21.220 to spy on American citizens,

00:50:22.360 the NSA,

00:50:23.200 without really any reforms.

00:50:25.100 And he was determined.

00:50:26.600 It was like his big issue.

00:50:27.620 That's why he was on my show.

00:50:28.600 That's why he liked

00:50:29.160 what my work was.

00:50:30.120 He was like,

00:50:30.680 we cannot allow this

00:50:31.960 Pfizer law to be renewed.

00:50:33.700 It is a grave threat

00:50:35.000 to American democracy.

00:50:36.340 At the very least,

00:50:37.140 we need massive

00:50:38.020 fundamental reforms.

00:50:39.360 I'm totally blown away.

00:50:39.900 And I was like,

00:50:40.700 oh my God.

00:50:41.940 And he's very smart.

00:50:43.220 He's like a smart lawyer.

00:50:45.260 He's very informed

00:50:46.080 about these issues.

00:50:46.760 I walked away super impressed.

00:50:48.000 That is what we spent

00:50:48.640 most of our time on.

00:50:49.400 But also just the-

00:50:50.300 Will you put these clips

00:50:51.040 on the internet?

00:50:52.080 The whole show

00:50:52.660 is on the internet.

00:50:53.200 No, I know.

00:50:53.740 But will you just post

00:50:54.640 these on social media?

00:50:55.400 Yeah, I did.

00:50:57.120 But I'll do it again

00:50:57.740 because Mike Johnson

00:50:58.720 becomes speaker

00:50:59.280 about two months later.

00:51:00.280 I don't mean four years later

00:51:01.220 or two years later,

00:51:01.840 about two months after that,

00:51:02.980 three months at the most,

00:51:04.460 right when the Pfizer law

00:51:06.200 is coming up.

00:51:08.140 And I was like,

00:51:09.020 oh, it's so great.

00:51:09.840 He was made speaker.

00:51:11.040 There's no way

00:51:11.780 this Pfizer law

00:51:12.380 is getting passed.

00:51:14.060 Not only did Mike Johnson

00:51:15.200 say,

00:51:15.920 I'm going to allow

00:51:16.740 the Pfizer renewal

00:51:17.620 to come to the floor

00:51:18.700 with no reforms,

00:51:20.480 not allowing any reforms.

00:51:22.020 He himself said,

00:51:23.700 it is urgent

00:51:24.360 that we renew FISA

00:51:25.600 without any reforms.

00:51:27.500 This is a crucial,

00:51:28.600 critical tool

00:51:29.100 for our intelligence agencies.

00:51:31.060 And I put that clip

00:51:32.460 everywhere when that happened,

00:51:33.540 showing where

00:51:33.960 just two months earlier.

00:51:34.920 Did you butt them together?

00:51:36.540 Yeah, of course.

00:51:37.140 I was attacking 0.99

00:51:37.880 the shit out of Mike Johnson. 0.98

00:51:39.420 And then somebody 0.97

00:51:40.160 finally asked him,

00:51:41.120 like,

00:51:41.260 but you've been saying

00:51:42.220 all along for years,

00:51:44.240 for the last two years

00:51:45.080 that you vehemently

00:51:46.120 oppose this.

00:51:46.920 And suddenly now

00:51:47.920 you're for it?

00:51:48.440 What changed your mind?

00:51:49.580 And he was like,

00:51:50.400 yeah, well,

00:51:50.840 when you're a speaker,

00:51:51.480 you get access

00:51:52.120 to a lot of things.

00:51:52.860 And I was taken

00:51:53.460 to this secret room

00:51:54.380 in the CIA

00:51:54.960 and they showed me

00:51:55.760 these very important things

00:51:57.240 and these sensitive documents

00:51:58.820 about how important

00:52:00.000 these powers are

00:52:00.760 and how devastating it would be

00:52:01.940 if we put any reforms on them.

00:52:03.280 And so I realized

00:52:04.020 that it was wrong

00:52:04.720 when I had believed

00:52:05.540 and now I believe

00:52:06.480 this law has to be passed

00:52:07.420 with no reforms.

00:52:08.920 You don't have

00:52:09.880 smart people like that.

00:52:11.500 He was already in Congress.

00:52:12.420 He had access

00:52:12.760 to classified information,

00:52:13.960 getting briefings,

00:52:14.700 secret briefings.

00:52:15.500 You don't have people

00:52:16.280 that invested in position

00:52:17.600 who with one meeting,

00:52:20.780 I can see someone 1.00

00:52:21.460 really dumb 0.99

00:52:22.140 being affected by that. 1.00

00:52:23.620 Like, oh,

00:52:24.000 these guys with big medals

00:52:25.060 on their chest

00:52:25.620 take you to like a secret,

00:52:26.820 super secret room

00:52:27.700 inside the CIA

00:52:28.340 like with all these locks

00:52:29.180 and codes

00:52:30.100 and things on the wall

00:52:31.060 and you're all impressed.

00:52:31.840 You're like, oh my God,

00:52:32.340 I can't challenge this.

00:52:33.500 He's a very smart guy.

00:52:34.500 I don't believe

00:52:35.080 he changes his mind.

00:52:36.720 So the question is,

00:52:37.540 why did he?

00:52:38.880 I don't know.

00:52:39.780 I really don't.

00:52:41.040 But I know that the person

00:52:42.060 that was on my show

00:52:42.700 two months earlier

00:52:43.320 no longer exists.

00:52:44.300 Wow.

00:52:46.820 I can honestly say

00:52:47.680 that's one of the most

00:52:48.240 shocking things

00:52:48.760 I've heard in a long time

00:52:49.740 because I didn't,

00:52:52.080 I should also echo

00:52:53.600 what everyone else

00:52:54.280 who's ever met him

00:52:55.000 will say,

00:52:55.840 which is nice guy,

00:52:56.960 you know,

00:52:57.240 not a mean man

00:52:58.240 or anything like that.

00:52:58.980 No, great guy.

00:52:59.680 Like, you know,

00:53:00.040 he adopted kids.

00:53:01.160 Totally, yeah.

00:53:02.080 Everything he says

00:53:02.780 about decency,

00:53:03.540 respect for everybody.

00:53:05.000 I totally,

00:53:05.740 I was even saying today

00:53:07.000 that he was,

00:53:09.200 you know,

00:53:09.320 with the whole thing

00:53:09.940 about the question

00:53:10.460 of whether this new

00:53:11.120 trans lawmaker

00:53:11.880 was going to use

00:53:12.520 the bathrooms.

00:53:12.960 He was asked about

00:53:13.980 and he was just like

00:53:14.700 emphasizing the need

00:53:15.560 for respect

00:53:16.140 and decency

00:53:16.720 and civility

00:53:17.240 even if,

00:53:17.880 you know,

00:53:18.080 things are used.

00:53:19.100 And I believe

00:53:20.040 he believes that.

00:53:20.740 Like, I believe

00:53:21.080 he is in connection

00:53:22.160 with the like

00:53:22.840 best parts of Christianity

00:53:23.800 and takes them seriously

00:53:24.860 and conducts himself

00:53:25.660 that way

00:53:26.120 and always has.

00:53:27.200 Nothing against

00:53:27.820 Mike Johnson personally,

00:53:28.720 quite the contrary,

00:53:29.380 but to watch that happen

00:53:30.700 was,

00:53:32.380 I mean,

00:53:32.820 as cynical as I am.

00:53:35.180 I don't even know

00:53:36.240 how to respond

00:53:36.780 because I didn't,

00:53:37.920 I have interviewed

00:53:38.580 Mike Johnson

00:53:39.060 over the years

00:53:39.840 but he was like

00:53:40.380 some guy from Louisiana

00:53:41.300 or whatever.

00:53:41.760 I wasn't paying

00:53:42.200 close attention.

00:53:43.520 And it was only

00:53:44.120 after he became

00:53:44.780 speaker on the FISA

00:53:45.860 question and on the

00:53:46.740 question of funding

00:53:47.720 Ukraine.

00:53:48.460 That was the other thing.

00:53:49.320 Go on,

00:53:49.760 I talked about that too.

00:53:51.160 He was like,

00:53:51.740 you know,

00:53:52.060 he did say,

00:53:52.980 he wasn't at all like,

00:53:54.480 you know,

00:53:55.980 say like Matt Gates type

00:53:57.960 or,

00:53:58.560 you know,

00:54:00.520 Tom Massey,

00:54:01.540 like we can't

00:54:02.820 fund that war,

00:54:03.700 that war.

00:54:03.940 He wasn't saying that.

00:54:04.800 He was,

00:54:05.400 he was like,

00:54:06.400 we can't let Russia win 0.99

00:54:07.340 but he was still

00:54:07.920 pretty skeptical.

00:54:08.420 but it was really

00:54:09.040 on these questions

00:54:09.960 of FISA

00:54:13.100 and the CIA

00:54:14.700 and the FBI

00:54:15.300 and spying powers 0.67

00:54:16.520 and internet censorship

00:54:17.500 powers

00:54:17.980 where he was

00:54:19.100 passionate and vehement.

00:54:20.620 That's why I had him on.

00:54:21.520 You're making the hair

00:54:22.320 of my arms go up

00:54:23.180 because I agree.

00:54:24.080 Look,

00:54:24.280 I'm not alleging anything

00:54:25.280 because I don't know anything.

00:54:26.460 I didn't even know

00:54:27.380 that he was that

00:54:28.760 invested on precisely

00:54:30.340 the opposite side

00:54:31.400 but,

00:54:31.960 you know,

00:54:32.160 he's made all these

00:54:33.040 things possible

00:54:33.840 and,

00:54:35.020 you know,

00:54:35.220 I had a conversation

00:54:35.860 with him off camera

00:54:37.240 so I probably shouldn't

00:54:37.960 be too detailed about it

00:54:39.040 but he said something

00:54:40.640 that I thought was like

00:54:41.740 not only nonsensical

00:54:42.880 but like insane

00:54:43.760 and crazy

00:54:44.400 and it just didn't make any,

00:54:45.780 it was internally incoherent 0.93

00:54:46.980 and he's not stupid 0.98

00:54:48.500 as you said 0.98

00:54:49.000 and I got upset

00:54:50.240 and I was like,

00:54:50.960 that doesn't make any sense

00:54:51.840 at all

00:54:52.220 and he just kind of said

00:54:54.940 no,

00:54:55.300 it does make sense.

00:54:56.860 It does.

00:54:57.360 It was like

00:54:57.720 there was no answer.

00:54:58.960 It was just like,

00:54:59.840 wow,

00:55:00.420 this is a guy.

00:55:00.900 I saw those with Obama too.

00:55:03.140 You have to like,

00:55:03.720 especially for people

00:55:04.600 who are kind of new to power,

00:55:06.760 right,

00:55:07.060 like not Nancy Pelosi

00:55:09.260 or Joe Biden

00:55:10.040 or Mitch McConnell,

00:55:10.860 people have been in these

00:55:11.640 positions for decades.

00:55:13.720 Mike Johnson went from

00:55:14.980 a very backbench

00:55:16.360 of a member of Congress

00:55:17.940 to the third in line

00:55:19.300 who controls

00:55:20.040 the House of Congress.

00:55:20.960 of Representatives.

00:55:21.980 You can only imagine

00:55:23.320 the intense,

00:55:26.240 just unlimited amount

00:55:28.240 of pressure

00:55:28.660 that comes from

00:55:29.320 multiple directions

00:55:30.120 to force him

00:55:31.180 to align himself

00:55:32.540 with whatever the agenda

00:55:34.040 is of the people

00:55:34.900 who rule Washington.

00:55:36.300 Same thing happened

00:55:36.900 with Obama.

00:55:37.640 I believed Obama

00:55:38.640 when he talked

00:55:39.760 for two years

00:55:40.320 when running for president

00:55:40.980 about how he's

00:55:41.360 a constitutional law professor,

00:55:42.900 how he believes so much

00:55:44.060 in the core rights

00:55:45.180 of the Constitution

00:55:45.840 like habeas corpus,

00:55:46.900 the right to contest

00:55:48.620 your imprisonment,

00:55:49.520 to have evidence

00:55:50.000 presented against you

00:55:50.900 by places like

00:55:51.400 Antónimo and elsewhere,

00:55:52.300 how he wanted

00:55:52.640 to uproot

00:55:53.240 the worst abuses

00:55:54.940 of the Bush-Cheney

00:55:55.780 war on terror.

00:55:56.320 Then he gets into office

00:55:57.160 and not only

00:55:57.580 doesn't uproot them,

00:55:58.300 but he starts

00:55:58.720 extending them

00:55:59.620 because, again,

00:56:00.800 these generals come,

00:56:02.140 including the ones

00:56:02.680 he likes who went

00:56:03.240 to Princeton,

00:56:03.860 like David Petraeus,

00:56:04.860 you know,

00:56:04.980 the ones who dazzle Obama

00:56:06.160 and give him secret briefings

00:56:08.040 about all the blood

00:56:08.720 that's going to be

00:56:09.160 on his hands

00:56:09.700 if he does any of the changes

00:56:10.800 he spent two years promising.

00:56:12.060 And then suddenly,

00:56:12.560 he switches

00:56:14.140 and there's a lot

00:56:14.740 of other pressure

00:56:15.580 you can imagine as well,

00:56:16.660 like the stick,

00:56:17.380 as you said.

00:56:18.800 And anyone who thinks

00:56:19.780 that this is,

00:56:21.880 that our intelligence agencies

00:56:23.240 are above these kinds

00:56:24.460 of things,

00:56:25.720 the naivete required

00:56:26.840 to believe that is...

00:56:27.900 Well, they're not above...

00:56:28.960 Of course,

00:56:29.500 they've done it.

00:56:30.200 This is their currency.

00:56:31.700 It's just amazing

00:56:33.120 having spent,

00:56:34.020 you know,

00:56:34.260 all this time in Washington

00:56:35.380 with all these people

00:56:36.340 I have just,

00:56:38.140 who I know,

00:56:39.020 and by the way,

00:56:39.560 in some cases,

00:56:40.660 like Mike Johnson,

00:56:41.340 I like,

00:56:42.660 you can't really reach

00:56:44.680 another conclusion

00:56:45.480 other than there's something

00:56:46.400 very heavy duty

00:56:47.740 going on behind the scenes,

00:56:48.940 like really profound

00:56:49.860 going on.

00:56:51.320 And I just don't know

00:56:52.140 why no one has ever

00:56:53.040 emerged from the system

00:56:53.980 to say what it is.

00:56:56.020 Is there not one...

00:56:56.880 There are very few

00:56:57.540 courageous people.

00:56:58.600 You're one of them,

00:56:59.500 but there just aren't

00:57:00.140 many in this world.

00:57:01.140 Well, I mean...

00:57:02.040 Why doesn't someone

00:57:02.600 just call these people out?

00:57:04.820 One of the things

00:57:05.420 that made Trump

00:57:06.040 so threatening

00:57:06.980 and that continues

00:57:07.720 to make him

00:57:08.220 so threatening

00:57:08.740 is that in a lot of ways

00:57:10.520 he was pulling the curtain

00:57:11.600 open.

00:57:12.040 He is that guy.

00:57:12.740 It's the fourth wall

00:57:13.400 is coming down.

00:57:14.040 Yeah.

00:57:14.280 I mean,

00:57:14.740 you know,

00:57:15.140 I remember he just said openly,

00:57:18.600 yeah,

00:57:19.240 like as a billionaire,

00:57:21.420 as a businessman,

00:57:22.480 I just gave a candidate,

00:57:24.840 you know,

00:57:25.080 $50,000

00:57:25.660 and then they would

00:57:26.960 automatically accept my call

00:57:27.980 and do whatever

00:57:28.360 I told them to do.

00:57:30.120 Who says that

00:57:31.160 in the top level of politics?

00:57:32.480 Like,

00:57:32.780 hey,

00:57:33.220 I'm running for president.

00:57:34.000 I want you to know,

00:57:34.800 here's how the system works.

00:57:36.060 You give a lot of money

00:57:37.080 to some place

00:57:38.360 that these lawmakers

00:57:39.900 tell you to donate money to

00:57:41.380 and then they do

00:57:42.500 whatever you want.

00:57:43.100 They do your bidding.

00:57:44.520 When,

00:57:45.200 in that 2016 debate,

00:57:47.280 when he started

00:57:48.120 rallying against

00:57:49.180 the evil 1.00

00:57:50.440 and the stupidity 1.00

00:57:52.000 of the Iraq war 1.00

00:57:52.600 because his principal

00:57:53.500 opponent at the time

00:57:55.220 was Jeb Bush

00:57:55.760 who was backed

00:57:56.200 by the establishment

00:57:56.880 and the audience

00:57:58.020 started booing,

00:57:59.300 you know,

00:57:59.620 as though America

00:58:00.620 was rising up

00:58:01.340 in defense of the Bush family.

00:58:02.560 He was like,

00:58:03.180 oh,

00:58:03.420 these seats here,

00:58:04.640 these are all

00:58:05.120 the big Republican donors.

00:58:06.500 That's the only people

00:58:07.240 who are booing me

00:58:07.980 because they're supporting

00:58:08.800 Jeb Bush.

00:58:10.460 And that's,

00:58:10.940 if you've ever been to a debate,

00:58:12.020 as I know you have,

00:58:12.880 that's exactly how it is.

00:58:13.940 The big donors,

00:58:14.380 both parties,

00:58:15.000 they put their big donors,

00:58:16.180 the partisans,

00:58:17.000 right behind where they get,

00:58:18.540 where their audience,

00:58:19.260 here's only their reaction.

00:58:20.800 So Trump constantly

00:58:22.140 was

00:58:23.500 sort of doing that.

00:58:25.320 Here's how things really work.

00:58:26.340 And then once he started getting

00:58:27.840 targeted by these agencies,

00:58:30.000 by the CIA,

00:58:30.860 the FBI,

00:58:31.880 starting with Russia gate,

00:58:32.880 but the Steele dossier,

00:58:34.600 what Jim Comey did,

00:58:35.500 leaking that to the media,

00:58:36.660 and then all those investigations,

00:58:38.700 that's why he started saying

00:58:40.180 these intelligence agencies

00:58:41.820 are corrupted to their core.

00:58:44.180 They're filled with people

00:58:45.320 who have their own

00:58:46.020 politicized agenda.

00:58:47.140 They were supposed to have

00:58:48.180 an elected leader,

00:58:49.860 democratically elected leader,

00:58:50.700 who supervises these branches

00:58:52.040 and these agencies

00:58:53.080 and the executive branch

00:58:53.760 and their duty

00:58:54.320 is to carry out his policies.

00:58:56.180 But they don't.

00:58:57.120 They subverted his policies.

00:58:58.420 They sabotaged them

00:58:59.280 because they didn't agree with them.

00:59:00.660 They were like

00:59:01.060 their own branch of government,

00:59:02.320 completely powerful.

00:59:03.700 And he's the first one,

00:59:05.480 I guess since Dwight Eisenhower,

00:59:06.820 who tried to warn of this

00:59:07.760 on his way out

00:59:08.500 after spending eight years

00:59:10.240 and obviously

00:59:10.940 the intelligence community

00:59:11.720 and military industrial companies

00:59:12.700 was way smaller

00:59:13.540 when Dwight Eisenhower

00:59:14.800 tried to warn

00:59:15.460 of how much of a threat

00:59:16.460 it was to democracy

00:59:17.200 in his farewell address.

00:59:18.160 It was before Vietnam, 0.93

00:59:19.560 before the real buildup

00:59:21.800 of the Cold War,

00:59:22.460 obviously before 9-11.

00:59:23.700 They're sprawling now.

00:59:25.060 They're almost impossible

00:59:26.100 to even analyze

00:59:27.620 or quantify.

00:59:29.480 And Trump is the only one

00:59:30.720 who's trying to say

00:59:31.440 these institutions

00:59:33.060 are radically corrupted.

00:59:35.060 At their root,

00:59:36.080 they're rotted.

00:59:37.200 And that's why

00:59:37.700 he's trying to choose people.

00:59:39.720 You know,

00:59:39.880 he picked some like

00:59:40.680 comfortable institutionalists

00:59:42.620 and status quo perpetuators

00:59:43.720 like Marco Rubio,

00:59:44.780 Lee Stefanik,

00:59:45.660 John Ratcliffe,

00:59:46.560 people like that

00:59:47.300 just to give Washington

00:59:48.720 a sense of,

00:59:49.340 okay,

00:59:49.440 there's some people here

00:59:50.180 we're good with.

00:59:51.260 But then the people

00:59:52.440 that he picked

00:59:53.120 who share his view

00:59:54.900 that these institutions

00:59:56.680 require radical overhaul.

00:59:58.420 They're just undemocratic,

00:59:59.800 unaccountable corrupted. 0.87

01:00:00.520 There are three of them.

01:00:01.060 Those are the ones

01:00:01.660 they're trying to destroy.

01:00:02.640 Well,

01:00:03.040 there's Tulsi,

01:00:04.300 there's Matt Gaetz,

01:00:05.500 there's RFK Jr.

01:00:07.540 And a little bit

01:00:08.640 to some extent,

01:00:09.320 Pete Hegseth.

01:00:10.180 I mean,

01:00:10.400 he's not really

01:00:11.100 ideologically unaligned,

01:00:14.100 but the problem is

01:00:15.180 is that he doesn't come

01:00:16.360 from the Pentagon bureaucracy.

01:00:17.600 That's what they care about most.

01:00:18.460 That's a trillion dollar agency.

01:00:19.820 You know how many wheels

01:00:20.640 that greases

01:00:21.220 in Raytheon

01:00:23.180 and Boeing

01:00:23.660 and General Dynamics?

01:00:25.280 That's what they care about most

01:00:26.560 is making sure

01:00:27.100 that money goes

01:00:27.860 where it's supposed to go.

01:00:28.980 That's why they're concerned

01:00:29.700 about him.

01:00:30.140 But the people

01:00:30.680 who aren't the ones

01:00:32.100 that Kamal could have picked easily

01:00:34.380 are the ones

01:00:35.700 who they're most out to destroy

01:00:37.800 because that's what

01:00:39.100 these permanent power factions are

01:00:40.940 is they are their own government

01:00:42.120 and they wield the most power.

01:00:44.180 And they,

01:00:44.820 sure,

01:00:45.220 considered Mike Johnson

01:00:46.060 no threat at all.

01:00:47.600 Let's take him

01:00:48.340 and do what we have to do.

01:00:49.260 But you wonder,

01:00:50.200 like,

01:00:50.460 just,

01:00:51.420 I don't know.

01:00:53.020 I mean,

01:00:53.360 look,

01:00:53.660 these guys are under pressure

01:00:55.160 that,

01:00:55.540 you know,

01:00:56.440 we probably can't imagine.

01:00:58.720 You know,

01:00:59.180 if somebody knew the thing

01:01:00.220 you were most embarrassed about

01:01:01.540 that would destroy your life

01:01:03.020 and make your kids

01:01:03.620 not like you

01:01:04.120 or whatever.

01:01:04.480 I'm not speaking of Johnson

01:01:05.580 specifically,

01:01:06.260 but I know a couple of people

01:01:08.300 who I know are compromised

01:01:09.580 in the U.S. government

01:01:10.620 and I sort of feel sad for them

01:01:11.860 because how'd you like

01:01:13.100 to be in that position?

01:01:14.000 But it does,

01:01:15.440 all it would take

01:01:16.100 is one brave man

01:01:17.040 to give a press conference.

01:01:18.160 You know,

01:01:20.240 there was actually a guy,

01:01:22.500 Cokie Roberts' father,

01:01:23.720 Hale Boggs,

01:01:24.920 who stood up in Congress.

01:01:26.480 He was this majority leader

01:01:27.800 in about 1907.

01:01:29.080 He was on the Warren Commission

01:01:30.080 and he didn't buy the,

01:01:32.160 did not buy the conclusions at all

01:01:33.840 and he told other people that.

01:01:35.040 He was from Louisiana

01:01:35.680 and he stood up

01:01:37.020 and made some noises

01:01:37.920 about on the floor of the House

01:01:39.480 about how the CIA was,

01:01:41.220 you know,

01:01:42.120 doing things

01:01:42.620 they were not supposed to do

01:01:43.440 in domestic politics

01:01:44.340 and had unchecked power,

01:01:45.580 et cetera.

01:01:45.840 And he was immediately denounced 0.94

01:01:47.340 as mentally ill 0.83

01:01:48.120 probably an alcoholic

01:01:49.100 and then he disappeared

01:01:50.780 in a plane crash

01:01:51.620 with Begich in 1972

01:01:53.080 in Alaska

01:01:53.880 and the plane was never seen again.

01:01:55.580 So, I mean,

01:01:56.240 like, I'm not saying

01:01:56.920 that he was,

01:01:57.980 he was murdered for that though.

01:02:00.000 You know,

01:02:00.440 I would not at all

01:02:01.080 be surprised if he was,

01:02:02.540 but why is he the last guy

01:02:04.640 to say anything like that?

01:02:06.420 Well, because he died

01:02:07.300 in a plane crash

01:02:07.940 and was declared mentally ill.

01:02:09.000 Maybe.

01:02:09.380 No, but,

01:02:09.860 I mean,

01:02:10.560 this is the thing is,

01:02:11.300 you know,

01:02:12.120 I remember doing this

01:02:13.660 and reporting

01:02:14.220 when there was all this

01:02:15.280 controversy about government

01:02:16.580 spying on people

01:02:17.460 and the big reaction

01:02:19.300 that I got

01:02:20.540 that had been cultivated

01:02:22.840 for a long time,

01:02:23.880 not just by the government,

01:02:24.700 but by Facebook.

01:02:25.440 Mark Zuckerberg famously said

01:02:26.540 privacy is an archaic value

01:02:27.920 or whatever.

01:02:28.880 Don't worry about privacy anymore.

01:02:30.200 People were saying,

01:02:31.020 I don't have anything to hide.

01:02:32.980 Like,

01:02:33.140 I'm not a terrorist.

01:02:33.940 I'm not a pedophile.

01:02:34.740 I don't care what,

01:02:35.500 what my government

01:02:36.380 is spying on me.

01:02:37.020 And I would always say,

01:02:37.900 everybody has things to hide.

01:02:39.920 There are things

01:02:40.340 that you don't tell anybody.

01:02:42.440 There are things

01:02:43.120 you only tell your psychiatrist,

01:02:44.440 only your spouse,

01:02:45.820 only your best friend,

01:02:47.140 things that you don't want

01:02:48.180 any other people to know

01:02:49.180 that you're petrified

01:02:50.020 if everybody knew about you.

01:02:52.060 We are private.

01:02:53.160 We need,

01:02:53.680 we're social animals.

01:02:54.760 We need connection

01:02:55.960 to society and other people,

01:02:57.600 but we also crave privacy.

01:02:59.240 Without privacy,

01:02:59.860 we go insane.

01:03:00.760 And there's no freedom

01:03:01.380 without privacy.

01:03:02.380 None,

01:03:02.800 because that's where

01:03:03.440 dissent and creativity

01:03:04.940 and exploration

01:03:05.820 and a rejection

01:03:06.660 of societal mores,

01:03:07.860 that's where it resides

01:03:08.820 in the private realm.

01:03:10.680 Without that,

01:03:11.300 if you're just being surveilled

01:03:12.280 and watched all the time,

01:03:13.600 that breeds conformity.

01:03:15.340 And so,

01:03:15.700 everybody needs privacy.

01:03:16.880 Everybody values it.

01:03:17.880 Everybody has something to hide.

01:03:19.820 And the ability

01:03:21.540 to surveil people,

01:03:23.700 to know everything about,

01:03:24.760 I think what actually happens

01:03:26.740 is we're so inculcated

01:03:29.260 from birth

01:03:30.100 to have this very

01:03:31.980 idealistic image

01:03:33.620 of our country

01:03:34.500 and our government.

01:03:35.600 And in some ways,

01:03:36.980 it's valid.

01:03:37.460 Like,

01:03:37.580 I think I revere

01:03:38.540 the Constitution.

01:03:39.420 You know,

01:03:39.600 I went to school

01:03:40.240 to study it

01:03:40.840 and I went to practice it.

01:03:42.720 Like,

01:03:42.840 I believe in its values.

01:03:44.020 Like,

01:03:44.300 I think it's a genius document.

01:03:45.680 I do too.

01:03:46.520 Comes from the Enlightenment.

01:03:47.720 Like,

01:03:47.860 I mean,

01:03:48.380 just a very,

01:03:48.920 like,

01:03:49.180 intellectually-based,

01:03:49.920 philosophically-based idea

01:03:51.640 of how it was constructed,

01:03:52.880 like,

01:03:53.060 very carefully.

01:03:54.760 And there are things

01:03:55.520 very good about the United States.

01:03:56.620 but if you think

01:03:58.760 that the most powerful country

01:04:01.480 on the planet,

01:04:02.260 the richest

01:04:02.820 and most powerful country

01:04:04.280 arguably ever to exist,

01:04:06.380 doesn't have at its core

01:04:08.040 in terms of the people

01:04:08.700 who run it,

01:04:09.900 people who are willing

01:04:10.620 to do anything

01:04:11.720 to preserve their power,

01:04:13.520 to augment their power,

01:04:15.280 again,

01:04:15.960 it just takes a kind

01:04:16.760 of naivete

01:04:17.280 that's almost impossible

01:04:18.440 to fathom.

01:04:18.720 People risk death

01:04:19.960 every single day

01:04:21.000 in this country

01:04:21.660 to rob liquor stores

01:04:22.780 for $300.

01:04:25.000 So,

01:04:25.600 you can't tell me

01:04:26.680 that control

01:04:28.000 of a trillion-dollar

01:04:28.700 federal agency

01:04:29.540 or of a multi-trillion-dollar

01:04:30.680 government

01:04:31.620 with, you know,

01:04:32.500 vast nuclear arsenal-

01:04:33.540 power to decide

01:04:34.780 who gets bombed,

01:04:36.380 where wars start.

01:04:36.920 That's what I'm saying.

01:04:37.980 The most powerful institution

01:04:39.580 in human history

01:04:40.380 doesn't have sinister things

01:04:42.300 going on.

01:04:42.760 What would people do

01:04:43.420 to control that?

01:04:44.360 No,

01:04:44.640 the stakes are very high

01:04:45.580 and I think

01:04:46.800 the closer you are to it,

01:04:48.400 the more often

01:04:49.340 you forget that.

01:04:50.220 You're like,

01:04:50.500 oh,

01:04:50.700 it's just secretary

01:04:51.280 of whatever,

01:04:51.840 who cares?

01:04:52.960 Well,

01:04:53.180 there's,

01:04:53.520 you know,

01:04:54.060 people care.

01:04:55.220 Understandably,

01:04:55.740 people will do anything

01:04:57.000 for power and money.

01:05:00.080 Wow,

01:05:00.560 that's so distressing.

01:05:01.600 Did you,

01:05:02.400 in your reporting,

01:05:03.860 and I always forget

01:05:04.680 that,

01:05:05.460 you know,

01:05:05.780 you were behind

01:05:06.280 the Snowden thing

01:05:06.980 and thank you for that.

01:05:08.220 What a wonderful guy he is.

01:05:10.600 But did you ever get

01:05:11.840 any hint

01:05:12.860 of what the pressure is

01:05:14.780 that's applied to politicians

01:05:15.780 to comply and obey?

01:05:18.400 Yeah,

01:05:18.640 well,

01:05:18.840 first of all,

01:05:19.180 I do think,

01:05:20.060 like we were just talking

01:05:20.740 about people who,

01:05:21.900 why don't people stand up?

01:05:23.040 Like,

01:05:23.720 Edward Snowden

01:05:24.180 is a perfect example

01:05:25.240 of somebody who

01:05:26.560 believed the mythology

01:05:28.220 of the government,

01:05:29.240 believed in,

01:05:29.760 you know,

01:05:29.900 he went to enlist

01:05:30.940 in order to fight in Iraq.

01:05:32.840 He broke both of his legs.

01:05:34.080 He couldn't join the military,

01:05:35.360 so he went to work

01:05:36.100 for the CIA

01:05:36.620 and the NSA

01:05:37.200 because he really believed in the,

01:05:38.740 and then what he saw

01:05:39.840 was so horrifying,

01:05:40.980 was so corrupting,

01:05:42.680 was so deceitful

01:05:43.440 that he risked his life

01:05:45.040 and his liberty,

01:05:46.120 which to this day

01:05:46.840 he's deprived of,

01:05:47.640 to inform everybody

01:05:50.140 about what was going on

01:05:51.060 by stealing under their nose

01:05:52.700 documents

01:05:53.360 that he could give to reporters

01:05:55.820 so that reporters

01:05:56.400 could tell the world

01:05:57.100 what was happening.

01:05:57.920 That is kind of an example

01:05:58.980 of that level of courage

01:06:00.000 of somebody saying,

01:06:00.780 here's what's going on.

01:06:04.680 What Snowden gave us

01:06:05.920 was a tiny picture

01:06:07.460 of what the NSA does.

01:06:08.860 So,

01:06:09.640 obviously,

01:06:10.160 if there had been in there

01:06:11.140 like specific blackmail

01:06:13.140 sort of documents

01:06:15.080 about how they were spying

01:06:16.640 on particular politicians,

01:06:17.720 that's something we would have,

01:06:18.720 you know,

01:06:19.660 reported on very aggressively

01:06:21.220 and very early on.

01:06:22.600 So,

01:06:22.960 I can't say I saw that,

01:06:24.080 but what I did see

01:06:25.220 is all sorts of incidents

01:06:28.840 of people at the NSA

01:06:30.160 abusing their authority

01:06:31.320 to spy on people

01:06:32.320 who they had no right

01:06:33.120 to be spying on,

01:06:33.960 including sometimes,

01:06:34.600 you know,

01:06:35.240 just things as trivial

01:06:36.220 as like ex-girlfriends

01:06:37.540 or family members,

01:06:40.000 but also when

01:06:42.540 in other countries

01:06:43.940 they wanted to

01:06:44.960 impede or harm somebody.

01:06:46.320 They spied on those people

01:06:47.120 all the time

01:06:47.580 and used that information

01:06:48.580 in part to gain power over them.

01:06:51.620 So,

01:06:52.160 of course,

01:06:53.320 how can you expect

01:06:54.880 human beings to resist

01:06:55.900 that level of power

01:06:56.720 when it's all operating

01:06:57.580 in the dark?

01:06:58.680 Strong families are built

01:06:59.800 on strong foundations

01:07:01.100 and it all begins

01:07:02.000 with what you bring

01:07:02.660 into your home.

01:07:03.840 It's hard though

01:07:04.440 because big pharma

01:07:05.380 and the processed food industry

01:07:06.780 have spent decades

01:07:08.540 putting you

01:07:09.260 and your loved ones

01:07:10.060 at risk,

01:07:10.740 pushing toxic,

01:07:11.680 harmful products

01:07:12.360 that make you sick,

01:07:14.520 that have made

01:07:14.880 our country sick.

01:07:15.760 It's not a guess.

01:07:16.400 That's happened.

01:07:17.680 So,

01:07:17.880 it's well past time

01:07:19.040 that someone decided

01:07:19.840 to help you fight back.

01:07:20.960 Public Square

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01:07:23.220 Public Square

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01:07:40.400 Make the switch.

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01:07:42.560 and shop for gifts

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01:07:44.300 and it's easy.

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01:08:04.400 So,

01:08:05.160 I mean,

01:08:05.640 you can't have

01:08:06.880 anything like

01:08:07.580 representative government

01:08:08.540 with that system

01:08:09.280 in place.

01:08:09.780 The whole idea

01:08:13.200 of having

01:08:13.880 a national security apparatus

01:08:15.300 and intelligence community

01:08:16.300 that operates

01:08:17.000 in complete secrecy

01:08:18.120 and that just

01:08:19.600 does what it does

01:08:20.740 permanently

01:08:21.380 without end

01:08:22.560 and constantly

01:08:24.060 expands its authorities

01:08:25.040 and powers

01:08:25.800 because there's

01:08:26.460 no political gain.

01:08:27.460 And its budgets

01:08:28.120 which are classified.

01:08:28.900 And its budgets

01:08:29.560 which nobody,

01:08:30.560 you know,

01:08:31.060 that was one of the things

01:08:31.980 we actually were able to see

01:08:33.200 was the black book

01:08:34.020 of the intelligence budget

01:08:35.100 and we were putting on

01:08:36.680 the things that,

01:08:37.520 you know,

01:08:38.000 we thought were newsworthy

01:08:39.680 about that.

01:08:40.960 There's zero transparency

01:08:42.080 to any of this.

01:08:44.020 There's no oversight.

01:08:45.400 You technically have,

01:08:46.360 like,

01:08:46.580 oversight in Congress

01:08:47.680 and the Senate.

01:08:48.340 These Senate intelligence committees,

01:08:49.680 these select committees

01:08:50.280 that were created

01:08:50.720 after the Church Commission

01:08:51.600 found all these,

01:08:53.200 you know,

01:08:53.600 what the Church Commission

01:08:54.500 found just by itself,

01:08:56.020 you know,

01:08:56.640 CIA developments

01:08:57.840 and some medications

01:08:58.580 to try and,

01:08:59.460 like,

01:09:00.040 you know,

01:09:00.720 make people

01:09:01.420 lose control

01:09:02.700 of their brains

01:09:03.500 or inject people 0.97

01:09:04.480 with diseases. 0.51

01:09:05.160 Like,

01:09:05.600 really sinister dark stuff

01:09:07.180 that the CIA was doing

01:09:08.080 that nobody knew about.

01:09:09.260 Not even the president.

01:09:10.460 They just did it on their own.

01:09:11.820 It was a discovery

01:09:12.760 of a secret government

01:09:14.020 inside the government.

01:09:14.980 So the idea was,

01:09:15.580 well,

01:09:15.620 we need at least

01:09:16.120 some oversight.

01:09:17.060 This oversight,

01:09:18.160 they tell nothing

01:09:19.280 to these committees.

01:09:21.380 The people who get put

01:09:22.920 on those committees

01:09:23.480 are people who

01:09:24.460 are the ones

01:09:25.620 who most support

01:09:26.460 these intelligence communities.

01:09:27.540 It was run in the Senate

01:09:28.460 for years by Dianne Feinstein.

01:09:30.220 Her husband was

01:09:31.000 a military contractor.

01:09:32.680 She was embedded

01:09:33.600 in these agencies.

01:09:34.520 She defended everything

01:09:35.220 that they did.

01:09:36.120 The one time

01:09:37.040 she questioned them,

01:09:38.380 which was when

01:09:40.140 she wanted to investigate

01:09:41.480 the use of torture

01:09:42.280 in the CIA,

01:09:43.420 John Brennan,

01:09:44.300 CIA,

01:09:44.960 spied on Dianne Feinstein

01:09:46.440 and on her entire staff.

01:09:48.640 He got caught doing it.

01:09:50.000 He lied and said he didn't.

01:09:51.400 He finally admitted

01:09:52.080 that it was done.

01:09:53.200 He apologized

01:09:53.740 and there were no repercussions.

01:09:54.960 Like,

01:09:55.060 let's buy guns. 0.97

01:09:56.040 We've got to go.

01:09:56.460 Google

01:09:57.000 John Brennan

01:09:57.960 spying on Dianne Feinstein.

01:09:58.520 I'll never forget it.

01:10:00.320 And when that story

01:10:01.040 first broke,

01:10:01.680 it was years ago.

01:10:02.640 It was at least 10 years ago.

01:10:03.660 He was CIA director

01:10:04.900 under Obama.

01:10:06.500 And I remember thinking,

01:10:07.640 I don't think the CIA

01:10:08.480 would ever dare

01:10:09.440 spy on the

01:10:11.260 select committee,

01:10:12.320 on the Senate

01:10:12.800 oversight committee

01:10:13.580 of the CIA,

01:10:14.440 of the intel community.

01:10:15.880 I mean,

01:10:16.020 I can't imagine 0.99

01:10:16.880 they would have the balls 0.99

01:10:17.660 to do something like that. 1.00

01:10:18.800 That's insane.

01:10:19.900 But I had no idea.

01:10:21.420 And they did it

01:10:22.000 on somebody

01:10:22.400 who was one of their most,

01:10:23.800 their blindest loyalists.

01:10:25.180 The one time

01:10:26.320 she stepped a little bit

01:10:27.220 out of line

01:10:27.780 because she wanted

01:10:29.580 to investigate

01:10:30.060 exactly what happened

01:10:30.880 in the torture program.

01:10:31.540 So at that point,

01:10:33.120 like,

01:10:33.660 why don't you,

01:10:34.340 why have people put up

01:10:35.300 with that?

01:10:35.560 I mean,

01:10:35.640 I guess Frank Church

01:10:36.460 did die of incredibly

01:10:38.560 fast-acting cancer.

01:10:40.420 So maybe that's why.

01:10:41.940 I mean,

01:10:42.240 people must be afraid

01:10:43.220 because you'd think

01:10:43.740 out of 435,

01:10:45.080 535 with the Senate,

01:10:46.240 there'd be somebody

01:10:46.880 who was like,

01:10:47.720 this is not democracy.

01:10:49.040 This is totally immoral.

01:10:50.820 Like,

01:10:51.040 I'm going to just stand up

01:10:51.780 and take them on.

01:10:52.880 But,

01:10:53.120 but,

01:10:53.260 but,

01:10:53.500 Tucker,

01:10:53.780 just,

01:10:54.220 just,

01:10:54.600 let's say that,

01:10:56.000 you know,

01:10:57.560 people had things on you

01:10:59.040 that would,

01:10:59.720 as you put it,

01:11:01.140 destroy your reputation, 0.91

01:11:02.040 make your kids think

01:11:02.760 very poorly of you,

01:11:03.960 would embarrass you

01:11:04.540 for the rest of your life,

01:11:05.320 would destroy

01:11:05.740 whatever you value in life.

01:11:09.620 It takes a very rare person

01:11:11.520 to say,

01:11:12.280 ah,

01:11:12.840 F it.

01:11:13.220 I'm going to risk

01:11:14.660 that happening.

01:11:16.660 Um,

01:11:17.340 and,

01:11:19.000 you know,

01:11:20.120 I think we have

01:11:20.740 this self-preservation tactic.

01:11:22.340 That's why

01:11:22.720 those kind of things

01:11:23.620 like blackmail extortion

01:11:24.700 are so effective

01:11:25.460 is because

01:11:25.980 they can force people

01:11:28.380 to

01:11:28.900 change behaviors.

01:11:29.420 No,

01:11:29.580 I think,

01:11:29.920 I think you're,

01:11:31.060 you're,

01:11:31.440 you're right.

01:11:32.900 It's a,

01:11:34.220 look at how much

01:11:35.520 these like sexual misconduct

01:11:37.020 allegations are used

01:11:38.460 when Julian Assange

01:11:39.320 really got dangerous.

01:11:40.260 Suddenly,

01:11:40.860 out of nowhere,

01:11:41.460 appeared two women

01:11:42.120 claiming that

01:11:42.780 he,

01:11:43.680 uh,

01:11:44.780 quote unquote, 1.00

01:11:45.200 raped them 0.99

01:11:45.600 because the allegation 0.99

01:11:46.280 was they had

01:11:46.680 consensual sex with him,

01:11:47.800 but he didn't use a condom 0.66

01:11:48.920 when they had not

01:11:50.720 given their consent

01:11:51.580 to no condom

01:11:52.240 and that became rape 0.85

01:11:53.020 under Swedish law.

01:11:54.340 That's what forced him

01:11:54.940 to the Ecuadorian embassy

01:11:55.800 and led to everything

01:11:56.540 that happened subsequently.

01:11:58.200 Now with Matt Gaetz,

01:12:00.160 um,

01:12:00.960 the minute Matt Gaetz,

01:12:02.140 Pete Heggseth too,

01:12:03.020 like out of nowhere

01:12:03.740 appears this alleged rape

01:12:06.080 that nobody had heard about,

01:12:07.840 that nobody knew about.

01:12:08.740 It's always,

01:12:09.600 the thing that always amazes me,

01:12:11.220 this is actually

01:12:12.060 the best example

01:12:12.760 in case anybody thinks,

01:12:13.880 oh,

01:12:14.020 our government doesn't do that.

01:12:14.860 When Daniel Ellsberg

01:12:16.420 leaked the Pentagon papers

01:12:17.540 to the New York Times

01:12:18.120 and the Washington Post,

01:12:19.480 and I remember

01:12:19.920 when I first heard about this,

01:12:20.840 I was kind of confounded

01:12:22.120 about why this happened.

01:12:24.040 Obviously,

01:12:24.400 they were saying

01:12:25.700 the normal things

01:12:26.380 you say about people like that.

01:12:27.360 Like,

01:12:27.500 oh,

01:12:27.660 he's a Soviet asset,

01:12:28.840 he hates America,

01:12:29.540 he put troops in harm's way

01:12:30.900 because he showed the public

01:12:32.720 that the government

01:12:33.200 was lying for years

01:12:33.900 about the Vietnam War.

01:12:34.860 Like,

01:12:35.000 inside they were saying

01:12:35.740 we can never win.

01:12:36.640 Externally,

01:12:37.080 they were saying

01:12:37.340 we're on the verge of winning.

01:12:38.160 But what they also did,

01:12:40.640 and it's the only reason

01:12:41.240 Daniel Ellsberg

01:12:41.780 ended up free,

01:12:42.680 is they broke

01:12:43.740 into his psychoanalyst's office

01:12:45.720 because they wanted

01:12:47.000 to steal

01:12:47.740 all the documents

01:12:49.220 about his

01:12:50.100 most intimate

01:12:51.640 admissions

01:12:53.760 to his psychoanalyst

01:12:54.680 about his

01:12:55.140 psychosexual 0.89

01:12:55.800 life and fantasies

01:12:57.720 because that was

01:12:58.800 the weapon of choice

01:12:59.720 that they wanted 0.89

01:13:00.200 to use to destroy him.

01:13:01.740 That's a fact.

01:13:02.820 The Nixon administration

01:13:03.500 broke into

01:13:04.340 the psychoanalyst's office

01:13:05.340 of Daniel Ellsberg

01:13:06.180 when they couldn't

01:13:06.940 find the documents

01:13:07.540 they planned to break in

01:13:08.420 at the guy's house

01:13:09.460 and that was,

01:13:12.120 they finally put a stop

01:13:12.940 to that,

01:13:13.320 but they did break

01:13:13.960 into a psychoanalyst's office

01:13:15.080 and only because

01:13:15.880 of that government misconduct

01:13:16.920 did the judge

01:13:17.580 dismiss the charges

01:13:18.400 against Daniel Ellsberg

01:13:19.280 who otherwise

01:13:20.060 was headed to prison

01:13:20.780 for the rest of his life.

01:13:21.940 Why would that be

01:13:22.800 a response

01:13:23.380 to a whistleblower

01:13:25.240 revealing to the press

01:13:27.600 that then revealed

01:13:28.120 to the public

01:13:28.540 that the government

01:13:29.000 was systematically

01:13:29.600 lying about the Vietnam War?

01:13:30.880 It's because

01:13:31.480 if you can have

01:13:32.260 that information

01:13:32.780 over somebody

01:13:33.340 and then use it

01:13:33.980 against them,

01:13:34.440 you destroy

01:13:35.480 I remember

01:13:36.900 when it happened

01:13:37.640 with Julian Assange.

01:13:38.700 No one wanted

01:13:39.360 anything to do

01:13:39.880 with Julian Assange anymore.

01:13:40.780 No one wanted

01:13:41.120 to mention his name.

01:13:41.880 It's just like,

01:13:42.660 ooh,

01:13:42.880 this person's guilty

01:13:43.680 of accused of rape.

01:13:45.140 I just don't want

01:13:45.960 anything to do with that.

01:13:47.260 So if you could have

01:13:48.200 shown that Daniel Ellsberg

01:13:50.320 had this fantasy

01:13:51.520 or had done this

01:13:52.340 or had done that

01:13:53.180 in the intimacy

01:13:54.760 and privacy

01:13:55.360 of his own life,

01:13:56.660 it just,

01:13:57.220 everybody would have

01:13:57.940 wanted to avoid it.

01:13:59.280 It's totally true.

01:14:00.320 did you ever

01:14:02.840 find yourself

01:14:04.060 on the wrong end

01:14:04.620 of any of that

01:14:05.280 since you were

01:14:06.200 very high profile?

01:14:08.500 I mean,

01:14:08.680 I think

01:14:09.180 the important thing

01:14:10.680 is that

01:14:11.140 if you want to

01:14:12.480 confront

01:14:13.660 the government,

01:14:14.740 if you want

01:14:15.280 to spill secrets,

01:14:16.880 if you want

01:14:17.280 to bring

01:14:17.800 unwanted transparency,

01:14:19.580 which happens

01:14:20.400 to be the job

01:14:20.940 of a journalist,

01:14:21.560 I know people

01:14:22.200 forget that,

01:14:22.820 but that is the job

01:14:23.480 of a journalist.

01:14:24.360 If you're going

01:14:24.920 to journalism

01:14:25.200 and that's what

01:14:25.460 you're supposed

01:14:25.700 to try to do,

01:14:26.260 you have to

01:14:28.160 as best you can

01:14:29.220 guard against that.

01:14:30.240 Like you have

01:14:30.640 to protect yourself,

01:14:32.320 make sure that

01:14:32.860 your own house

01:14:34.380 is in order

01:14:34.940 as much as possible

01:14:36.060 because that will

01:14:37.580 be a huge vulnerability.

01:14:39.120 But as I said before,

01:14:41.120 everything has,

01:14:41.880 everyone has things

01:14:42.540 to hide.

01:14:43.120 There's no one

01:14:44.160 who doesn't.

01:14:45.380 100%.

01:14:45.780 And it's also true 0.97

01:14:47.340 that if,

01:14:48.440 you know,

01:14:49.080 you get really

01:14:49.960 attacked

01:14:50.700 in a

01:14:51.780 scary way,

01:14:53.960 you don't want

01:14:54.780 to talk about it.

01:14:55.440 I mean,

01:14:56.400 I feel that.

01:14:57.420 I have been,

01:14:58.300 that has happened,

01:14:59.040 you know,

01:14:59.320 not sex stuff,

01:15:00.420 but I've definitely

01:15:01.280 felt a lot of pressure

01:15:03.520 and you don't,

01:15:04.400 you don't want to,

01:15:05.520 you know.

01:15:06.180 It's not just sex stuff.

01:15:07.640 Yeah,

01:15:07.800 there's all sorts

01:15:09.180 of things in our past

01:15:10.320 that we do

01:15:10.880 that we're embarrassed

01:15:11.600 by.

01:15:12.000 But did you ever worry

01:15:12.220 the intel agencies

01:15:13.340 would try and hurt you?

01:15:14.800 Yeah,

01:15:15.380 I mean,

01:15:15.940 here's the thing,

01:15:18.300 like,

01:15:18.900 you know,

01:15:19.900 I think a lot

01:15:20.760 of people remember,

01:15:21.560 but my husband,

01:15:23.600 who's now deceased,

01:15:24.440 but at the time,

01:15:25.440 he went to Germany

01:15:27.580 because there was

01:15:28.400 a part of the archive

01:15:29.140 that was corrupted

01:15:30.020 and we knew

01:15:30.800 there was a lot

01:15:31.200 of important documents

01:15:31.780 there.

01:15:32.640 And it was with

01:15:33.840 Laura Poitras

01:15:34.440 and she,

01:15:35.340 using her genius,

01:15:36.040 had figured out

01:15:36.540 how to access it.

01:15:37.480 No one else could.

01:15:38.380 But she didn't trust

01:15:39.240 anybody,

01:15:39.940 including the Guardian,

01:15:40.660 to give it to,

01:15:41.140 to bring to me.

01:15:41.700 The only person

01:15:42.260 she trusted was David.

01:15:43.320 I couldn't travel

01:15:44.000 outside Brazil

01:15:44.680 because there was

01:15:45.560 a concern that I

01:15:46.100 would be arrested

01:15:46.540 by the U.S.

01:15:47.320 So I had to stay

01:15:48.280 in Brazil.

01:15:48.840 So only David

01:15:49.560 could go and get

01:15:50.280 those documents.

01:15:51.560 And the way

01:15:52.480 we talked about it

01:15:53.160 was in a very

01:15:53.640 secure,

01:15:54.300 secret way.

01:15:54.720 We were using

01:15:55.120 the highest levels

01:15:55.860 of encryption

01:15:56.240 at the time

01:15:56.700 that Snowden

01:15:57.160 insisted on.

01:15:58.500 And when David

01:15:59.160 went to Germany,

01:15:59.860 he came back home

01:16:00.740 through Heathrow.

01:16:01.400 But at Heathrow,

01:16:02.200 the British arrested him

01:16:03.860 and detained him

01:16:04.520 and threatened to

01:16:05.400 prosecute him

01:16:06.280 under an anti-terrorism law.

01:16:08.100 And the only reason

01:16:08.920 they let him out

01:16:09.920 was because the

01:16:10.460 Brazilian government,

01:16:11.200 it became a huge

01:16:11.880 story in Brazil.

01:16:12.580 The Brazilian government

01:16:13.200 was like,

01:16:13.600 give us back

01:16:14.100 our citizen immediately.

01:16:15.700 And so they let him go.

01:16:17.220 And then David sued

01:16:18.060 the British government

01:16:19.400 over human rights abuses

01:16:20.680 because they were

01:16:21.360 detaining him for journalism.

01:16:22.640 And the British government

01:16:23.880 said in their papers

01:16:25.080 when they defended

01:16:26.320 their actions,

01:16:27.180 we knew exactly

01:16:28.080 what he was doing

01:16:28.740 in Germany.

01:16:29.320 We knew exactly

01:16:30.000 what he was carrying.

01:16:30.960 And that's the reason

01:16:31.660 why we detained him

01:16:32.440 because we wanted

01:16:32.980 to prevent

01:16:33.440 these secret documents

01:16:34.620 from getting out

01:16:35.700 into the public

01:16:36.160 because it harms

01:16:36.880 British national security.

01:16:38.220 Now, obviously,

01:16:38.740 we got the archive anyway

01:16:39.740 and we reported

01:16:41.340 on those documents.

01:16:42.000 But they admitted

01:16:43.220 they knew

01:16:44.040 and were listening

01:16:44.880 to our conversations

01:16:46.460 about why he was

01:16:47.280 going there.

01:16:47.780 They knew when

01:16:48.180 he was going there.

01:16:48.960 Everything was being tracked.

01:16:51.120 And so when you know...

01:16:51.760 Did you ever figure out how?

01:16:53.880 I knew they were using...

01:16:54.900 I mean,

01:16:55.260 part of the reporting

01:16:56.140 that we did

01:16:56.640 was that the NSA

01:16:57.900 had cracked

01:16:58.540 even the most sophisticated

01:16:59.640 levels of encryption.

01:17:01.340 So things that people

01:17:02.400 thought were safe,

01:17:04.540 there's nothing

01:17:05.240 100% foolproof.

01:17:06.540 And at the time,

01:17:07.700 we were among

01:17:08.340 the most watched people

01:17:09.420 in the world

01:17:09.740 because we had

01:17:10.320 in our hands

01:17:10.880 the most sensitive secrets

01:17:12.020 from the world's

01:17:12.440 most powerful government

01:17:13.160 that we were going around

01:17:13.960 the world publishing

01:17:14.920 to inform people

01:17:16.380 of journalistically.

01:17:18.580 And so,

01:17:19.000 of course,

01:17:19.560 we knew we were being

01:17:20.520 spied on by probably

01:17:21.720 a lot of people.

01:17:22.380 It's just that the British 1.00

01:17:23.040 were forced to admit it.

01:17:24.120 And when you get

01:17:25.100 that confirmation

01:17:25.760 as opposed to like

01:17:26.780 a belief or suspicion,

01:17:29.420 the level of invasiveness

01:17:30.680 you feel

01:17:31.280 is hard to express

01:17:32.300 because they're not

01:17:33.800 just listening to

01:17:34.580 the parts of your conversations

01:17:36.000 where you're talking

01:17:36.660 about the Snowden documents.

01:17:38.000 Oh, I know.

01:17:39.800 Oh, I know firsthand.

01:17:41.480 Yeah.

01:17:41.900 No, I know.

01:17:42.360 Yeah, I mean,

01:17:42.660 you had private conversations

01:17:43.560 leaked as well

01:17:44.200 when you were trying

01:17:44.680 to interview President Putin.

01:17:46.100 Oh, yeah, and we got

01:17:46.120 followed and

01:17:47.580 had massive problems

01:17:50.000 with Ukrainian intel service,

01:17:52.460 et cetera, et cetera.

01:17:53.880 It's not about me.

01:17:55.020 I don't hold

01:17:55.540 any institutional power.

01:17:56.840 It's just interesting

01:17:57.760 if you see what happens

01:17:59.140 in your own life

01:17:59.700 just by talking about it.

01:18:00.680 I haven't done anything

01:18:01.460 ever.

01:18:02.940 Just sit around the studio

01:18:03.740 and talk to people.

01:18:05.140 But, you know,

01:18:05.780 you see the pressure

01:18:06.480 they apply to you.

01:18:07.240 Like, what would it be like

01:18:07.980 to be, you know,

01:18:09.260 the chairman of the intel committee

01:18:10.300 or the speaker of the house

01:18:11.260 or the president

01:18:11.820 of the United States?

01:18:12.560 Exactly.

01:18:12.960 I mean, I can't even imagine.

01:18:15.320 And it just shows you

01:18:15.940 what a remarkable person

01:18:16.980 Trump is.

01:18:18.440 He is just so,

01:18:19.580 he's weirdly resistant

01:18:20.720 to that stuff.

01:18:21.740 And that is,

01:18:22.260 that's why they hate him.

01:18:22.840 I mean, remember all the stuff

01:18:23.820 that came out in 2016

01:18:24.760 when they thought he might win,

01:18:25.920 like the Access Hollywood tape

01:18:28.060 that came out of nowhere.

01:18:29.520 And, you know,

01:18:30.640 the Stormy Daniels stuff.

01:18:32.060 They threw everything out there.

01:18:34.280 And Trump is,

01:18:35.920 is a very rare person 0.98

01:18:38.360 who's just kind of shameless.

01:18:39.760 Like, he doesn't feel

01:18:41.320 a sense of shame

01:18:42.040 and he doesn't back down

01:18:43.400 no matter what.

01:18:44.120 He goes,

01:18:44.560 he gets more aggressive

01:18:45.380 against people

01:18:45.960 who try to force him to.

01:18:47.220 It's just his instinct

01:18:48.220 and who he is.

01:18:48.900 I watched him for many decades

01:18:50.480 when I was a lawyer in New York,

01:18:51.660 when he was a, you know,

01:18:53.100 big real estate vocal

01:18:54.200 constantly being sued

01:18:55.160 in lawsuits.

01:18:55.900 Everybody knew how he was.

01:18:58.300 And that's what is

01:19:00.140 so threatening about him.

01:19:01.700 It's not his ideology

01:19:03.160 or his beliefs

01:19:03.680 or the fact that

01:19:04.220 they think he's in Russia.

01:19:05.340 It's the fact that

01:19:06.180 he's immune.

01:19:06.640 Immigration, racism. 0.99

01:19:07.900 Right, or that he's a race. 0.80

01:19:08.660 Right, none of,

01:19:09.320 no one cares about that.

01:19:10.200 No one believes that.

01:19:11.020 It's the fact that

01:19:11.820 he's immune to the type of control

01:19:13.660 that for decades

01:19:15.220 they've been able to

01:19:16.600 impose on people

01:19:18.180 who wield any power,

01:19:19.400 let alone the power

01:19:20.500 of the presidency.

01:19:23.560 Well,

01:19:24.200 just to type the,

01:19:26.100 the current state

01:19:27.640 of U.S.-Russia relations

01:19:29.060 or the war

01:19:29.560 that we're about to get.

01:19:30.380 Like, how do you,

01:19:30.960 how do you think this ends?

01:19:33.340 I mean,

01:19:33.980 if you're sitting in Moscow,

01:19:35.840 obviously,

01:19:38.620 if there's a barrage

01:19:39.500 of weapons,

01:19:40.640 you know,

01:19:40.980 aimed at Moscow,

01:19:41.800 St. Petersburg,

01:19:42.420 your major cities,

01:19:43.440 that's one thing.

01:19:44.780 If there's a limited number

01:19:46.000 of missiles

01:19:46.520 aimed in Kursk,

01:19:47.800 where, you know,

01:19:48.620 Ukrainian forces are,

01:19:50.220 that's another.

01:19:52.140 And, obviously,

01:19:53.040 they know what we talked about,

01:19:54.680 which is that

01:19:55.260 in about seven weeks,

01:19:57.240 there's going to be

01:19:58.480 a new American president

01:19:59.360 with whom they've dealt

01:20:00.700 extensively.

01:20:02.760 And despite claims

01:20:03.880 that he's some sort of,

01:20:05.240 you know,

01:20:05.620 lackey of Putin,

01:20:06.560 he basically did

01:20:07.400 the two things

01:20:08.020 that were most threatening

01:20:08.740 to Russian interest.

01:20:09.540 He sent lethal arms

01:20:10.940 to Ukraine

01:20:11.320 after Obama refused to.

01:20:13.500 Trump did.

01:20:14.460 I didn't agree with it,

01:20:15.180 but that's what he did.

01:20:16.200 And what he did even more so

01:20:17.700 that was more threatening,

01:20:18.920 damaging to Russia 0.75

01:20:19.540 is he spent years

01:20:20.380 trying to badger

01:20:21.060 the Europeans

01:20:21.660 out of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

01:20:23.780 He was like,

01:20:24.900 why would you be buying gas

01:20:26.380 from Russia?

01:20:27.380 You're getting dependent on Russia 0.75

01:20:28.480 and we're the ones

01:20:29.080 who pay for your protection.

01:20:30.220 You should be buying it from us.

01:20:32.100 That's the,

01:20:33.160 selling natural gas to Europe

01:20:34.740 was the anchor,

01:20:36.120 the key

01:20:36.560 to Russian vital interests

01:20:37.960 and Trump threatened

01:20:39.080 those vital interests continuously.

01:20:40.500 So the idea,

01:20:41.380 like anyone who's even

01:20:42.420 a little bit rationally thinking

01:20:43.600 would understand

01:20:44.240 that this claim

01:20:44.960 that he's being blackmailed

01:20:46.060 by Putin

01:20:46.480 while at the same time

01:20:47.700 he's simultaneously

01:20:48.340 doing the two most threatening things

01:20:49.980 to Russian vital national interests,

01:20:51.720 you would immediately recognize

01:20:52.920 what a fictitious claim that was.

01:20:55.140 So he's being blackmailed

01:20:55.920 by the U.S. intel agencies

01:20:56.960 and in fact,

01:20:57.760 More so.

01:20:58.380 our government 0.92

01:20:58.880 is the fascist state

01:20:59.800 that they claim Russia is.

01:21:00.780 Exactly.

01:21:01.480 So,

01:21:02.100 and that's not to say

01:21:03.860 Russia's not dressing, 0.99

01:21:04.840 but,

01:21:05.180 so I think they know that,

01:21:06.820 you know,

01:21:07.020 they obviously know

01:21:07.520 Trump's coming in

01:21:08.260 and they feel like

01:21:10.820 he wants to go

01:21:11.480 in a different direction

01:21:12.180 with the war

01:21:12.780 and so even though

01:21:14.520 there is going to be pressure

01:21:15.420 on Putin

01:21:16.140 as there would be

01:21:16.880 on the United States

01:21:17.640 and any other country

01:21:18.660 to respond in kind

01:21:20.620 to NATO and the United States

01:21:22.020 now bombing Russia, 0.92

01:21:23.220 basically.

01:21:24.600 I think

01:21:25.320 as long as it's limited,

01:21:26.680 as long as it stays

01:21:27.540 limited to Kursk,

01:21:28.460 as long as it's not,

01:21:29.820 you know,

01:21:30.740 in large numbers,

01:21:31.800 knowing that Trump

01:21:32.900 is coming into office,

01:21:34.140 I think they understand

01:21:35.320 that that's an opportunity

01:21:36.260 to try and end this war

01:21:37.300 without its escalation.

01:21:38.820 I hope.

01:21:39.400 Again,

01:21:39.660 as you said,

01:21:40.360 we're depending on Putin's

01:21:41.560 restraint and rationality.

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01:22:55.420 So among the many people

01:23:12.280 Donald Trump has spoken to

01:23:13.840 since winning

01:23:14.520 a week and a half ago

01:23:15.780 is Joe and Mika.

01:23:18.420 And Joe Scarborough

01:23:19.300 and Mika Brzezinski,

01:23:20.680 they have a very low-rated show

01:23:22.740 on MSNBC,

01:23:23.460 which I do think

01:23:24.500 has outsized influence.

01:23:25.880 The numbers are really,

01:23:27.000 are small.

01:23:27.760 People in Washington

01:23:28.360 watch it.

01:23:28.880 That's exactly it.

01:23:29.740 That's exactly right.

01:23:30.880 And so I think the show

01:23:32.340 does have influence.

01:23:33.740 I disagree with every single

01:23:34.980 word ever uttered

01:23:35.940 on that show,

01:23:36.500 but I don't think

01:23:37.020 it's totally insignificant.

01:23:38.320 You know,

01:23:38.600 it's not Joy Reid.

01:23:40.160 So they went

01:23:42.040 to Mar-a-Lago

01:23:42.720 to meet with Trump.

01:23:45.040 Like, what do you make?

01:23:46.000 And then now they're saying,

01:23:46.920 well, we went

01:23:47.220 because we were afraid

01:23:48.060 that we were going

01:23:48.500 to be persecuted

01:23:49.480 if we didn't kiss the ring

01:23:50.880 or something like that.

01:23:51.680 No, it's what their excuse 0.99

01:23:52.760 is even more pathetic, 0.99

01:23:53.700 which is we're journalists. 1.00

01:23:55.740 You have to go

01:23:56.560 and talk to the people

01:23:57.380 in power.

01:23:58.080 We're journalists.

01:23:59.180 But I think those two

01:24:01.440 in particular 1.00

01:24:02.000 are singularly pathetic. 0.99

01:24:05.040 And I realize 1.00

01:24:05.840 saying singularly pathetic 0.85

01:24:06.840 in the context 0.97

01:24:07.460 of employees

01:24:08.260 of the corporate media

01:24:08.960 seems like a designation

01:24:10.140 that no one deserves alone.

01:24:12.360 But I think in their case,

01:24:14.140 they really merit

01:24:15.600 that distinction

01:24:16.800 because I think

01:24:18.720 like most of the people

01:24:19.700 who work in corporate media,

01:24:20.820 like the Rachel Maddows 0.80

01:24:21.860 and like the Lawrence O'Donnells

01:24:23.320 and the Don Loke Lemons

01:24:24.400 and those kind of people,

01:24:25.700 I think they believe

01:24:27.060 all the insane unhinged stuff.

01:24:28.400 Like, I think they really believe 0.96

01:24:29.520 that Trump is a Russian agent,

01:24:31.560 that Putin is blackmailing him,

01:24:32.840 that Trump wants

01:24:33.420 to like put them in camps.

01:24:34.540 Like, I think it's insane,

01:24:36.160 but like credit

01:24:37.020 for at least actually saying

01:24:38.480 what they really believe

01:24:39.360 is as preposterous 0.96

01:24:40.700 and laughable as it is. 0.89

01:24:42.920 Joe Scarborough has no beliefs

01:24:44.760 other than his own advancement

01:24:46.400 and self-importance.

01:24:48.660 Okay, let's remember

01:24:49.660 in the 1990s,

01:24:50.940 he was elected

01:24:51.520 not as a Republican congressman,

01:24:53.160 but as a radical conservative

01:24:55.520 with the whole new Gingrich,

01:24:57.300 like young firebrands

01:24:58.540 were going to go in

01:24:59.140 and like radically reform,

01:25:00.960 you know,

01:25:01.620 change the country

01:25:02.820 and Washington.

01:25:04.760 No more of that

01:25:05.800 anywhere in Joe Scarborough,

01:25:06.960 like this radical transformation

01:25:08.180 of institutional power.

01:25:09.020 And then,

01:25:10.520 as Megyn Kelly said,

01:25:12.620 no show did more

01:25:13.940 to boost Donald Trump

01:25:15.280 in 2015 and 2016

01:25:16.420 in the Republican primary

01:25:18.200 than Joe and Mika.

01:25:19.380 They were down at Mar-a-Lago

01:25:20.260 all the time.

01:25:21.080 They loved Trump.

01:25:22.240 They were best friends with Trump.

01:25:23.820 They laughed with him.

01:25:24.980 They let him call in

01:25:25.660 on their show all the time,

01:25:26.800 in part because it was

01:25:27.300 very beneficial to that show.

01:25:29.360 It was the only thing

01:25:29.820 that raided.

01:25:30.500 Trump saved all their jobs.

01:25:32.340 But they also loved

01:25:33.560 just being proximate

01:25:35.100 to power like that.

01:25:36.220 Oh, yeah.

01:25:36.400 That's the thing

01:25:37.080 that they crave most.

01:25:38.440 And then,

01:25:39.500 once,

01:25:40.200 what really happened

01:25:40.860 was Scarborough thought

01:25:42.260 that he was going to be chosen

01:25:43.200 as Trump's vice president.

01:25:44.520 He really wanted to.

01:25:45.900 And when Trump rejected him

01:25:47.200 in favor of Mike Pence

01:25:48.260 and then also MSNBC

01:25:50.820 turned into this

01:25:52.020 fanatical anti-Trump network

01:25:54.300 where the only people

01:25:55.120 who watched

01:25:55.520 were Trump haters

01:25:56.240 both out of personal affront

01:25:59.000 but also out of survival,

01:26:00.400 they had to turn into

01:26:02.080 a full-on Trump-hating show.

01:26:04.700 You couldn't have the morning show

01:26:05.800 of three hours

01:26:07.080 be someone positive

01:26:08.600 toward or neutral about Trump

01:26:09.840 when the whole rest

01:26:10.700 of the network,

01:26:11.300 everyone who watched.

01:26:12.100 May I just ask you

01:26:12.620 to pause for a sec?

01:26:13.360 I'm just digesting this.

01:26:15.340 Scarborough,

01:26:15.880 who I used to know really well,

01:26:17.220 he thought he was going to be VE.

01:26:18.800 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:19.140 That's what,

01:26:19.540 remember how close they were?

01:26:20.840 No, I remember that.

01:26:21.900 I didn't know.

01:26:22.320 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:23.540 He, that's...

01:26:24.280 You should come to the United States 1.00

01:26:25.160 more often.

01:26:25.640 I learn a lot.

01:26:26.960 I think my distance

01:26:28.080 is what enables me

01:26:28.920 to learn things.

01:26:30.800 So, yeah,

01:26:31.360 that was a big part of it.

01:26:32.320 And, but also it was

01:26:34.300 survival at MSNBC.

01:26:36.320 And so they turned into these,

01:26:38.140 you know,

01:26:38.380 Joe Scarborough,

01:26:39.040 Mr. Radical Conservative,

01:26:40.880 let's change all of Washington work, 0.99

01:26:41.940 became Mr. Institutionalist.

01:26:43.800 You know,

01:26:44.120 the people he had on his show

01:26:45.040 were like Richard Haast

01:26:46.380 and like Norm Ornstein,

01:26:48.100 like all these,

01:26:48.560 these like Council on Foreign Relations

01:26:50.660 and think tanks people

01:26:51.840 who were obsessed

01:26:53.780 with hating Trump as well.

01:26:54.820 And it became grounds of Europe 0.97

01:26:55.760 for Trump as Hitler.

01:26:57.020 They were saying

01:26:57.860 as recently as two months ago

01:26:59.140 or a month ago,

01:27:00.160 like Trump is comparable

01:27:03.420 to Adolf Hitler. 0.99

01:27:04.440 He is a Nazi figure.

01:27:06.040 Mika Brzezinski went on The View

01:27:07.100 and cried and said 1.00

01:27:08.080 Trump wants to murder women. 1.00

01:27:09.520 Women are going to die 1.00

01:27:10.260 because of Donald Trump. 1.00

01:27:11.280 He's a fascist. 1.00

01:27:12.240 He's a racist. 1.00

01:27:12.820 They said it every day 1.00

01:27:13.700 over and over.

01:27:15.140 And then Trump wins

01:27:16.640 and their whole influence

01:27:18.580 was because they were

01:27:19.440 Joe Biden's favorite show.

01:27:20.560 Joe Biden would wake up

01:27:21.400 at like 6 a.m.

01:27:22.280 like many geriatrics do

01:27:24.260 because he went to bed

01:27:25.320 at like 7 o'clock p.m.

01:27:27.000 and he would watch Morning Joe

01:27:28.220 and they would hear,

01:27:29.660 you know,

01:27:30.240 Joe Biden is the greatest president

01:27:31.320 of the art.

01:27:32.240 Joe Scarborough said that

01:27:33.360 he personally can assure the country

01:27:35.780 having spent so much time

01:27:36.740 around Joe Biden

01:27:37.360 that he's sharper than ever.

01:27:38.640 He runs intellectual circles around.

01:27:40.880 All the Republicans

01:27:41.580 were claiming

01:27:42.180 that he's cognitively impaired.

01:27:43.340 This is like a month

01:27:43.840 before the debate

01:27:44.480 he was saying that.

01:27:46.180 So, of course,

01:27:46.880 Joe Biden watched that show

01:27:48.380 every day.

01:27:49.000 That's what gave

01:27:49.720 Joe Scarborough

01:27:50.620 his sense of importance

01:27:51.440 was like,

01:27:51.840 oh, I'm close to the White House.

01:27:52.880 He was at the White House

01:27:53.460 all the time.

01:27:54.540 Now Biden's gone.

01:27:55.780 Biden's not an asset anymore.

01:27:56.980 Trump is back in power.

01:27:58.940 And one of the things

01:27:59.980 that has happened

01:28:00.520 amazingly

01:28:01.220 since Kamala's loss

01:28:03.740 is that the MSNBC audience,

01:28:05.060 which is already tiny,

01:28:06.280 has basically

01:28:07.120 completely disappeared.

01:28:08.840 Like,

01:28:09.120 the number of people

01:28:09.880 watching those shows

01:28:10.680 when they're live

01:28:11.380 in prime time

01:28:12.380 with that big,

01:28:13.260 gigantic corporate power

01:28:14.300 behind them

01:28:14.800 promoting it,

01:28:16.400 it's less than a lot

01:28:17.720 of like YouTube shows.

01:28:19.260 Oh, wait, wait.

01:28:20.040 Yeah, including like,

01:28:21.060 I don't mean like

01:28:21.680 the cumulative audience

01:28:22.780 of how many people

01:28:23.540 watch YouTube,

01:28:24.400 or YouTube video

01:28:25.000 at the end of the day.

01:28:25.640 I just mean

01:28:26.460 live watching.

01:28:27.920 Like Dan Bongino's show

01:28:28.940 has, I think,

01:28:30.280 Unrumble,

01:28:31.100 has like five or six

01:28:32.980 or seven times more

01:28:34.300 viewers than

01:28:35.580 MSNBC's prime time.

01:28:37.360 This is Unrumble,

01:28:38.500 you know,

01:28:38.920 which a lot of people

01:28:39.560 don't even know about,

01:28:40.480 don't even watch.

01:28:42.060 That audience is gone

01:28:43.540 in part because

01:28:44.500 they feel disillusioned

01:28:46.080 that the people

01:28:46.460 they trusted

01:28:47.000 who told them

01:28:47.860 Trump was going to prison,

01:28:49.040 the whole Trump family

01:28:49.720 was going to prison,

01:28:50.960 Trump could never win,

01:28:52.160 he was going to be in jail

01:28:52.920 before the election,

01:28:54.280 all the women 0.93

01:28:55.040 were going to rise up

01:28:55.700 and vote for Kamala

01:28:56.440 out of anger toward Trump,

01:28:57.920 none of that happened.

01:28:59.260 And they're like,

01:28:59.860 I've been watching this show

01:29:00.940 every day

01:29:01.740 for nothing.

01:29:03.780 It was,

01:29:04.100 I was,

01:29:04.540 none of it happened,

01:29:06.700 none of it was true.

01:29:07.760 And that audience is gone,

01:29:09.440 half out of disillusionment

01:29:10.420 and anger,

01:29:10.760 but half out of just like

01:29:11.660 kind of checking out

01:29:12.400 through impotence

01:29:13.020 and helplessness.

01:29:14.700 And I think that

01:29:16.000 they're desperate.

01:29:16.900 The only way they think

01:29:17.700 they can get people

01:29:18.960 to come back on

01:29:19.640 is to have Trump

01:29:20.640 come back on their show

01:29:21.560 and their,

01:29:22.480 Trump is going to make them

01:29:23.240 crawl around on the floor

01:29:24.280 multiple times.

01:29:26.500 Bark like a dog.

01:29:27.340 Yeah,

01:29:27.620 they were like,

01:29:28.280 Joe and Mika were like,

01:29:29.540 Trump was incredibly

01:29:30.500 cheerful and happy.

01:29:33.060 Of course he was.

01:29:34.080 He loves seeing you 0.68

01:29:35.060 humiliate yourself

01:29:36.040 because you know,

01:29:36.840 he knows you need them now.

01:29:38.060 I don't think

01:29:42.000 that,

01:29:42.740 you know,

01:29:43.720 a weekly interview

01:29:44.320 with Trump,

01:29:44.740 which is not going

01:29:45.180 to happen anyway,

01:29:45.880 but even if it did,

01:29:46.660 was going to save MSNBC.

01:29:48.120 No,

01:29:48.300 because who would watch it?

01:29:49.380 Because no conservatives

01:29:50.720 are going to trust

01:29:51.340 that show or MSNBC

01:29:52.280 and no liberals

01:29:53.580 want to see

01:29:54.200 MSNBC host.

01:29:56.220 Do you know how angry

01:29:57.240 liberals are

01:29:58.400 about just even the fact

01:29:59.460 that Joe and Mika

01:29:59.980 went to Mar-a-Lago?

01:30:02.260 So who,

01:30:02.860 who's the audience

01:30:03.820 for that?

01:30:04.360 They're caught.

01:30:04.880 But like Liz Cheney, 0.82

01:30:06.800 you know,

01:30:07.480 I have to say

01:30:08.240 of all the reasons

01:30:08.920 I'm so grateful

01:30:09.620 that Kamala lost,

01:30:11.580 seeing Democrats

01:30:13.560 turn on Liz Cheney 1.00

01:30:14.780 and seeing her stranded

01:30:16.040 between the parties

01:30:17.160 in no man's land.

01:30:18.280 It's the best.

01:30:19.120 Honestly,

01:30:19.860 I can't,

01:30:20.620 there was a piece

01:30:21.140 by John Nichols

01:30:21.760 in The Nation today,

01:30:22.540 I don't read The Nation

01:30:23.160 much anymore,

01:30:24.440 but you know,

01:30:24.780 occasionally The Nation

01:30:25.580 is like kind of

01:30:26.640 true to itself,

01:30:27.760 not always,

01:30:28.960 but sometimes,

01:30:29.400 and I don't agree with it,

01:30:30.560 but John Nichols

01:30:32.380 wrote this piece

01:30:32.920 about Kamala Harris

01:30:33.620 where he goes through

01:30:35.360 like all the places

01:30:36.100 that she went with,

01:30:37.540 Liz Cheney went

01:30:38.020 with Kamala Harris

01:30:38.600 and like,

01:30:39.340 that lady did not work. 1.00

01:30:40.620 She turned off Republicans.

01:30:43.280 Like,

01:30:43.780 the idea was,

01:30:44.580 you know,

01:30:44.800 we've got Liz Cheney

01:30:45.840 campaigning with us,

01:30:46.640 a lot of Republicans

01:30:47.340 are like,

01:30:47.720 Donald Trump will vote for us.

01:30:48.920 It's like,

01:30:49.240 just the opposite happened.

01:30:50.840 You know,

01:30:51.200 it was so predictable

01:30:52.220 and so obvious at the time.

01:30:53.120 It was predictable.

01:30:53.740 Also like,

01:30:54.780 what made Kamala's campaign

01:30:55.820 like for the six seconds

01:30:57.180 that it seemed like

01:30:57.940 it had some like air to it

01:31:00.320 was this like vibrancy

01:31:02.500 of young people,

01:31:03.500 you know,

01:31:03.760 like celebrating the emergence.

01:31:06.120 Right, right, right.

01:31:06.440 Yeah, totally.

01:31:07.240 And so,

01:31:07.880 you then take Liz Cheney

01:31:09.160 and like,

01:31:11.180 send Bill Clinton to Michigan

01:31:12.460 to like,

01:31:13.620 lecture everybody

01:31:14.700 in the Muslim community

01:31:16.080 and the Arab community 0.87

01:31:16.580 who already hates you

01:31:17.340 because you've been

01:31:17.880 us buying Israel 0.73

01:31:19.100 about how the Israelis

01:31:20.520 are totally right

01:31:21.300 and it's all the fault 0.89

01:31:22.280 of the Arabs 0.97

01:31:22.700 and then you take Liz,

01:31:24.800 Dick Cheney's daughter,

01:31:26.320 with you through the Rust Belt

01:31:27.960 where like all those policies

01:31:30.360 devastated their lives,

01:31:32.360 all those wars

01:31:33.240 and you think Liz,

01:31:34.720 think about,

01:31:35.640 I mean,

01:31:35.860 this is the thing,

01:31:36.620 think about how

01:31:37.580 out of touch

01:31:38.900 and cloistered

01:31:39.540 and in a bubble

01:31:40.080 you have to be

01:31:40.980 to think

01:31:41.980 that you're going to win

01:31:43.160 an election

01:31:43.700 depending on people

01:31:45.000 who are in the working class

01:31:45.980 who feel alienated

01:31:46.860 from society,

01:31:47.640 who feel like

01:31:48.060 DC doesn't work for you

01:31:49.200 by taking the daughter

01:31:50.900 of like the face

01:31:53.900 of the American establishment,

01:31:55.220 Dick Cheney,

01:31:55.860 around with you

01:31:57.000 as if she's your running mate

01:31:58.260 and people are craving change

01:32:01.540 and you have sitting there

01:32:02.480 with Liz Cheney

01:32:03.740 who people only know

01:32:05.560 because she was

01:32:06.660 the vice president's daughter.

01:32:08.260 Her dad was Dick Cheney

01:32:09.960 and not just Dick Cheney

01:32:11.420 but somebody who supports

01:32:12.840 a whole range of policies

01:32:13.900 that Americans

01:32:14.600 vehemently reject now

01:32:16.160 and I think that's

01:32:17.500 more than anything

01:32:18.120 what people in the media

01:32:19.400 have finally had to come

01:32:20.220 to grips with is

01:32:21.180 first of all,

01:32:21.940 it's good that Liz Cheney

01:32:23.080 actually isn't the

01:32:23.720 Secretary of Defense

01:32:24.400 or Secretary of State.

01:32:25.100 That also is good

01:32:26.040 even though there are

01:32:26.780 a couple of people

01:32:27.200 in Trump's campaign

01:32:27.880 who have very similar views

01:32:29.040 like Mark Ruby

01:32:29.760 and Liz Cheney

01:32:30.300 and Elise Stefanik

01:32:31.680 but be that aside,

01:32:33.060 it's good that Liz Cheney

01:32:33.760 specifically is not

01:32:34.760 any of those positions

01:32:35.860 but I think the best thing

01:32:39.600 is that you have

01:32:40.160 all these people

01:32:40.900 inside these cloistered bubbles

01:32:42.460 in Washington

01:32:42.860 who really thought

01:32:43.680 that they were

01:32:44.180 the conscience of the nation,

01:32:45.580 the voice of the nation

01:32:46.460 and not only were they

01:32:48.840 applauding the decision

01:32:50.080 to take Liz Cheney 0.85

01:32:50.760 but they have been

01:32:51.480 spending eight years

01:32:52.660 claiming that Donald Trump 0.97

01:32:54.620 is a white supremacist 0.99

01:32:55.640 who wants to put 0.99

01:32:56.160 minorities in camp

01:32:57.060 and not only did Donald Trump

01:32:58.440 win the election

01:32:59.040 but there was millions

01:33:01.420 of non-white voters

01:33:02.700 Oh yeah.

01:33:03.540 who for the first time

01:33:04.460 left the Democratic Party

01:33:05.440 and went to vote for Trump

01:33:06.740 so imagine you've wasted

01:33:08.140 eight years of your life

01:33:09.180 screaming and screeching

01:33:10.440 like a petulant bird

01:33:12.340 who has been like shot 1.00

01:33:13.720 Donald Trump's a racist 1.00

01:33:15.000 he's a fascist 1.00

01:33:15.820 he hates 1.00

01:33:16.400 he only likes white people 0.98

01:33:17.560 and then you watch 0.97

01:33:18.680 millions of Latino people 0.89

01:33:20.200 and black people

01:33:21.280 and Asian people 0.52

01:33:22.080 and Muslims 0.52

01:33:22.640 refuse to vote

01:33:24.080 for Kamala Harris

01:33:24.720 you obviously are like

01:33:25.760 I have no influence at all

01:33:27.780 I'm completely out of touch

01:33:29.200 Well but it's so good

01:33:30.100 to know that about yourself

01:33:31.080 I mean this happened to me

01:33:31.860 by the way

01:33:32.300 they're all kind of

01:33:33.560 vehemently opposed

01:33:35.040 to abortion

01:33:36.260 which I think is like horrifying

01:33:37.820 and but lots of people

01:33:38.780 don't agree with me

01:33:39.380 and so I see this

01:33:40.200 you know Roe v. Wade

01:33:41.200 comes down

01:33:41.780 and you see these

01:33:42.360 ballot initiatives

01:33:43.080 and say you know

01:33:43.560 we're going to allow abortion 1.00

01:33:44.440 until birth

01:33:45.040 and I'm like wow

01:33:46.300 I'm so glad it's up for a vote

01:33:47.560 and then it turns out

01:33:48.160 the voters just don't agree

01:33:48.880 with me at all

01:33:49.540 even in red states

01:33:51.280 it's true

01:33:51.980 it's true

01:33:52.740 like that was hard for me

01:33:54.080 to accept

01:33:55.020 because I am

01:33:56.100 I never talked about it

01:33:57.240 but I was just so

01:33:57.820 I'm so sincere on the subject

01:33:58.980 I'm just

01:33:59.500 I'm not for abortion

01:34:00.800 period

01:34:01.260 and so

01:34:02.240 but you have to

01:34:03.300 be real

01:34:04.360 like okay

01:34:04.880 sometimes people agree

01:34:05.620 with you

01:34:05.800 sometimes they don't

01:34:06.700 but there's something

01:34:07.720 about the democratic base

01:34:10.020 which really is

01:34:10.900 just basically

01:34:11.700 just like unhappy

01:34:12.800 college educated 0.91

01:34:13.820 white ladies 0.99

01:34:14.400 that's really who it is

01:34:15.600 honestly

01:34:16.000 I mean

01:34:16.480 and they say that

01:34:17.380 they're like

01:34:17.640 we're relying on affluent

01:34:19.020 women in the suburbs 0.99

01:34:19.900 that's their base

01:34:20.520 but that's exactly

01:34:21.000 but the unhappy ones

01:34:22.260 I mean I'm related

01:34:23.020 to some happy ones

01:34:24.020 they're not voting

01:34:24.520 for Kamala Harris

01:34:25.160 but the ones

01:34:26.140 who are sort of

01:34:26.660 disappointed in their husbands

01:34:27.700 and in their lives

01:34:28.580 or whatever

01:34:28.960 I get it

01:34:29.540 I'm not being mean

01:34:30.180 but it's just true

01:34:30.840 but they should know

01:34:32.740 that they're in

01:34:34.460 the subset

01:34:35.020 of a subset

01:34:35.600 and that not everyone

01:34:37.340 agrees with them

01:34:37.820 I think that's the

01:34:38.360 beginning of wisdom

01:34:39.080 I mean it has been

01:34:39.640 for me

01:34:39.980 like not everyone

01:34:40.460 agrees with me

01:34:40.880 that's okay

01:34:41.340 but the thing is

01:34:41.980 like you were just

01:34:42.400 saying you read

01:34:42.880 the nation sometimes

01:34:43.740 yeah

01:34:44.080 I go out of my way

01:34:46.120 to read everything

01:34:47.160 everybody

01:34:47.700 me too

01:34:48.200 you know

01:34:49.300 I try and have people

01:34:50.500 in my life

01:34:50.940 who have very different

01:34:51.620 views

01:34:52.060 you know

01:34:53.180 I have a lot

01:34:53.580 of people in my life

01:34:54.180 in Brazil

01:34:54.600 for example

01:34:55.100 who worship Lua

01:34:55.860 I have a lot

01:34:56.440 of people in my life

01:34:56.900 who hate Lua 0.93

01:34:57.360 who worship Bolsonaro

01:34:58.000 people who are in between

01:34:59.460 I want that

01:35:00.440 like I want to hear

01:35:01.300 constantly from

01:35:02.260 you want to be challenged

01:35:02.980 all the time

01:35:03.420 not be ossified

01:35:04.340 I'm telling you

01:35:05.520 I know a lot

01:35:05.880 of these people

01:35:06.380 I used to be on MSNBC

01:35:07.880 all the time

01:35:08.260 I've been friends

01:35:08.780 with a lot of the people

01:35:09.360 who are still there

01:35:10.340 oh they despise me

01:35:11.720 with burning passion

01:35:12.720 but in part because

01:35:15.640 nobody hates things

01:35:16.760 more than

01:35:17.320 no one

01:35:18.040 the person always most hated

01:35:19.340 is the one perceived

01:35:20.000 as the heretic

01:35:20.700 of course

01:35:21.480 you know

01:35:21.840 but I was never

01:35:23.000 really on their side

01:35:24.300 in the way

01:35:24.540 that they thought

01:35:25.060 actually anyway

01:35:26.040 but anyway

01:35:26.840 it doesn't matter

01:35:27.420 I know a lot

01:35:29.440 of these people

01:35:29.920 and what has happened

01:35:31.400 on MSNBC

01:35:32.060 is that

01:35:33.820 or places like

01:35:35.260 the New York Times

01:35:35.680 op-ed page

01:35:36.380 similar

01:35:36.760 people who support

01:35:39.300 Trump don't exist

01:35:40.000 in that world

01:35:40.500 there's not one

01:35:41.580 op-ed writer

01:35:42.420 at the New York Times

01:35:43.740 of the dozens

01:35:44.540 who is a Trump supporter

01:35:46.680 even though half the country

01:35:47.560 is

01:35:47.820 more than half the country

01:35:48.580 is

01:35:48.740 like Ross Dufat

01:35:49.860 is like the person

01:35:50.500 closest to

01:35:51.380 sort of understanding

01:35:52.740 the Trump movement

01:35:53.340 but he certainly

01:35:53.940 doesn't like

01:35:54.420 Donald Trump at all

01:35:55.300 and other than that

01:35:56.460 it doesn't exist

01:35:57.540 in the world

01:35:57.960 there's nobody ever

01:35:58.740 on MSNBC

01:35:59.440 on their shows

01:36:00.440 who brings that perspective

01:36:02.220 of why they support

01:36:03.620 Donald Trump

01:36:04.220 so if you're only

01:36:05.720 talking to people

01:36:06.480 who are like-minded

01:36:07.300 and a lot of them

01:36:08.320 have now left Twitter

01:36:09.020 trying to go to

01:36:09.600 some other platform

01:36:10.320 where only

01:36:10.940 they're only there

01:36:12.200 they really don't

01:36:13.460 want to hear any dissent

01:36:14.160 and you're living

01:36:15.580 a certain kind of life

01:36:16.640 you know

01:36:17.300 they're well-paid

01:36:17.920 they like

01:36:18.540 are cloistered

01:36:19.400 in these like

01:36:19.900 affluent places

01:36:21.040 in the United States

01:36:21.700 like in the East Coast

01:36:23.180 like Brooklyn

01:36:24.000 and Manhattan

01:36:24.960 and Washington

01:36:25.660 and Northern Virginia

01:36:26.520 how do you not realize

01:36:29.020 that the life

01:36:29.520 you're leading

01:36:29.980 is so fundamentally

01:36:31.720 different from the people

01:36:32.800 on whose behalf

01:36:33.500 you claim to be speaking

01:36:34.480 and I do think

01:36:36.340 a lot of them

01:36:36.860 even though they're

01:36:37.340 going to resist it

01:36:38.360 and battle it

01:36:39.060 have to swallow

01:36:40.440 this election

01:36:41.040 as a complete repudiation

01:36:42.740 of not just themselves

01:36:43.760 but their entire purpose

01:36:45.520 in life

01:36:45.820 their entire function

01:36:46.620 do you think that they

01:36:46.960 again I just want to say

01:36:48.980 how non-judgmental

01:36:50.080 I feel about this

01:36:51.600 that has happened to me

01:36:53.140 I've been fired

01:36:54.380 I have found

01:36:55.260 my views repudiated

01:36:57.500 by the public at large

01:36:58.700 those are very important

01:37:00.280 moments to me

01:37:01.060 personally

01:37:01.520 they made me

01:37:02.200 a better person

01:37:02.840 so I am hoping

01:37:04.240 that they internalize

01:37:05.640 the pain

01:37:06.080 and learn from it

01:37:06.880 do you think they will?

01:37:08.700 yeah I mean

01:37:09.040 what always amazes me

01:37:10.360 is like you know

01:37:10.860 I really did grow up

01:37:11.960 like in a working class 0.95

01:37:12.800 environment

01:37:13.140 but like my whole life

01:37:14.620 you're the only one

01:37:15.580 yeah no I mean

01:37:16.640 there are other people

01:37:17.240 who grew up like

01:37:17.980 you know

01:37:18.320 I wasn't like poor

01:37:19.220 but I was not even

01:37:20.340 near middle class

01:37:21.180 didn't your mom work 0.99

01:37:21.340 at McDonald's

01:37:21.880 yeah my mom worked

01:37:22.420 at McDonald's

01:37:23.080 she like my parents

01:37:23.940 got divorced when I was

01:37:24.680 seven

01:37:24.980 my father was an

01:37:25.720 accountant

01:37:26.040 he had three marriages

01:37:26.920 actually you are

01:37:27.860 like I don't know

01:37:29.280 anybody

01:37:29.920 and I mean this

01:37:30.980 I don't know

01:37:31.500 anybody in journalism

01:37:33.200 I know people whose mom

01:37:34.120 worked at McDonald's

01:37:34.760 I don't know anyone

01:37:35.460 in journalism whose mom

01:37:36.380 worked at McDonald's

01:37:37.040 well I'm just

01:37:37.820 I guess my point is that

01:37:39.160 like of course

01:37:40.520 that shaped me

01:37:41.180 for a long time

01:37:41.860 but I realize now

01:37:42.960 that that's not my life

01:37:44.000 any longer

01:37:44.440 like and it hasn't been

01:37:45.500 for you know

01:37:46.260 10 years 15 years

01:37:47.540 like my life has been

01:37:48.400 very separate from that

01:37:49.120 so I have a great

01:37:50.480 amount of humility

01:37:51.120 about my ability

01:37:51.860 to speak for people

01:37:52.880 who have a different

01:37:53.580 kind of life

01:37:54.180 because you're

01:37:55.500 of course the way you live

01:37:56.700 shapes your perspective

01:37:57.800 shapes your understanding

01:37:58.920 shapes your priorities

01:37:59.840 and it amazes me

01:38:01.740 that these people

01:38:02.320 don't have that

01:38:03.240 humility at all

01:38:04.360 and so

01:38:05.780 I think

01:38:07.700 they're resisting it

01:38:08.660 like they're

01:38:09.300 you know

01:38:09.680 that was what Obama

01:38:10.720 did remember

01:38:11.540 when he was like

01:38:11.920 yeah I know

01:38:12.280 there's a lot of black men 0.80

01:38:12.940 who don't want to vote 0.53

01:38:13.640 for Kamala

01:38:14.180 who are going to vote

01:38:14.640 for Trump

01:38:14.960 that's because you all 1.00

01:38:15.580 hate women 1.00

01:38:16.000 and you're misogynists 1.00

01:38:16.960 and then

01:38:18.320 they're basically saying

01:38:19.340 the reason a lot of Latino 1.00

01:38:20.220 what an arrogant douchebag 1.00

01:38:21.520 to say something like that 1.00

01:38:22.820 and you know

01:38:23.740 and there's a perfect example

01:38:24.900 like he spends all his time

01:38:26.080 in like Richard Branson's yacht

01:38:27.300 yeah I know

01:38:27.960 and you know

01:38:29.200 just with the highest level

01:38:30.660 of jet set

01:38:31.280 and then he thinks

01:38:32.080 he's going to go

01:38:32.560 and speak to

01:38:33.420 like black working class men 0.99

01:38:35.060 if you disagree with me 0.99

01:38:36.200 you're a bigot

01:38:36.960 that's like 0.99

01:38:37.460 that's such a crazy place

01:38:38.880 to start any conversation

01:38:39.980 it's so alienating

01:38:41.060 I think

01:38:41.540 I think this kind of condescension

01:38:43.240 but the other thing is

01:38:44.320 like the main argument

01:38:45.300 is that like 1.00

01:38:46.020 they're all stupid 1.00

01:38:47.100 like they're victims 1.00

01:38:48.180 of disinformation

01:38:49.060 they're misled

01:38:50.180 they have all these

01:38:51.180 alternative media

01:38:52.260 they're listening to

01:38:52.940 that don't have the controls

01:38:54.100 that have with us

01:38:55.260 they're getting full

01:38:56.440 you know basically 1.00

01:38:57.240 they're stupid 1.00

01:38:57.740 they're like 1.00

01:38:58.800 they're easily misled

01:38:59.900 they're gullible

01:39:00.480 so either they're racist 0.99

01:39:02.240 or misogynist 1.00

01:39:03.160 or stupid 1.00

01:39:03.680 that's their explanation 1.00

01:39:04.500 that's the thing

01:39:05.160 they're clinging to

01:39:05.900 you know like

01:39:07.260 oh they don't realize

01:39:08.800 how good they had it

01:39:09.940 under Biden

01:39:10.360 how great the economy is

01:39:11.640 how much Kamala Harris

01:39:13.120 and Joe Biden did for them

01:39:14.040 they just don't

01:39:14.540 because they were told

01:39:15.380 that it was untrue

01:39:16.300 they can't figure it out

01:39:17.140 on their own

01:39:17.980 like the condescension

01:39:19.420 it oozes out of

01:39:21.940 every pore of their being

01:39:23.600 and then they wonder

01:39:24.680 why people despise them

01:39:26.020 and their culture

01:39:26.680 and their subculture

01:39:27.440 it's

01:39:27.840 who wants that

01:39:29.140 it is nauseating

01:39:30.440 but despite

01:39:32.180 so what I'm saying

01:39:33.080 is that

01:39:33.540 they're not

01:39:34.180 they don't have

01:39:34.580 the attitude you had

01:39:35.360 which is like

01:39:36.020 oh it's actually good

01:39:37.120 to be humbled

01:39:38.160 to like

01:39:39.420 realize that things

01:39:41.020 that you thought

01:39:41.620 about the world

01:39:42.300 need to be re-evaluated

01:39:44.120 there's no self-criticism

01:39:45.980 no reflection

01:39:46.740 in fact

01:39:47.540 every Democrat

01:39:48.240 thinks like

01:39:48.940 oh yeah

01:39:49.700 I know why we lost

01:39:50.660 it's been what I was

01:39:51.460 saying all along

01:39:52.100 none of them

01:39:52.480 are saying that

01:39:53.160 but you know

01:39:53.680 they're like

01:39:53.980 Democrats did this

01:39:55.080 and Kamala did that 1.00

01:39:55.860 you know

01:39:56.240 they all are trying

01:39:57.220 to pretend

01:39:57.820 that if people

01:39:58.780 had just listened

01:39:59.260 to them

01:39:59.740 the Democrats

01:40:00.580 would have won

01:40:01.260 even though all on

01:40:02.200 they were like

01:40:02.540 oh Kamala's running 0.99

01:40:03.200 the most brilliant

01:40:03.720 campaign ever

01:40:04.340 but what I'm saying

01:40:06.060 is that the result

01:40:07.100 is so overwhelming

01:40:10.080 so kind of pointed

01:40:11.340 and devastating

01:40:12.060 to their world view

01:40:12.980 as I said

01:40:13.620 I think the thing

01:40:14.900 that has really

01:40:15.920 shaken them the most

01:40:16.880 even though they're

01:40:17.320 fighting it

01:40:17.760 they're not embracing

01:40:18.360 it

01:40:18.540 they're fighting it

01:40:19.240 but they can't

01:40:20.420 is that

01:40:21.040 so many non-white voters

01:40:23.260 oh yeah

01:40:24.180 are the

01:40:25.140 and Trump

01:40:26.360 made huge gains

01:40:27.400 in almost every

01:40:28.220 non-white 0.52

01:40:28.860 sector of society

01:40:30.140 I mean

01:40:30.540 Trump was saying

01:40:31.500 that New Jersey

01:40:32.040 and New York

01:40:32.500 are swing states

01:40:33.320 and people were laughing

01:40:34.060 at him

01:40:34.580 and he only lost

01:40:35.760 New Jersey

01:40:36.160 by five points

01:40:37.280 and did the best

01:40:39.840 any Republican

01:40:40.320 has done

01:40:40.880 in New York City

01:40:42.380 in many many years

01:40:44.400 because of how many

01:40:45.200 black and Latino

01:40:46.000 and Asians

01:40:47.080 and Muslims

01:40:48.420 voted for Trump

01:40:49.280 non-white voters

01:40:50.500 and so

01:40:51.660 when that happens

01:40:53.720 like you don't even

01:40:54.360 get to blame 0.99

01:40:54.760 white people 0.99

01:40:55.320 but you 0.93

01:40:56.720 you have to accept

01:40:58.560 that the people

01:40:59.300 who you think

01:41:00.200 you own

01:41:00.720 who have

01:41:01.520 mindless loyalty

01:41:02.360 to you

01:41:02.900 disobeyed you

01:41:04.420 and didn't

01:41:04.800 listen to you

01:41:05.480 that's what

01:41:06.820 makes them feel

01:41:07.360 really shaken

01:41:07.900 inside

01:41:08.180 it's a slave revolt

01:41:09.240 and if you read

01:41:10.620 the accounts

01:41:11.160 of people

01:41:11.540 who live

01:41:11.900 through slave

01:41:12.340 revolts

01:41:12.600 not just

01:41:12.940 in the American

01:41:13.400 South

01:41:13.720 but like

01:41:14.220 in Haiti

01:41:14.860 or you know

01:41:15.360 anywhere

01:41:15.560 they're always

01:41:16.160 wherever you have

01:41:16.860 slavery

01:41:17.120 you've got

01:41:17.440 slave revolts

01:41:17.960 at some point

01:41:18.440 they're always

01:41:19.560 so shocked

01:41:20.540 like they

01:41:21.720 they

01:41:22.300 they can't

01:41:23.600 believe

01:41:24.300 that like

01:41:24.880 the nanny

01:41:25.720 came after them

01:41:26.980 with a knife

01:41:27.540 like I

01:41:28.080 we thought

01:41:29.140 you loved us

01:41:30.140 it's so crucial

01:41:31.860 to their world

01:41:32.440 view

01:41:32.660 to believe

01:41:33.080 it's the

01:41:33.980 I mean

01:41:34.420 those people

01:41:35.340 central to their

01:41:36.780 world view

01:41:37.280 is that they're

01:41:38.820 benevolent leaders

01:41:40.060 of these people

01:41:41.420 it's like that scene

01:41:42.240 at Animal House

01:41:43.040 Otis

01:41:43.700 he loves us

01:41:45.120 sure he does

01:41:46.900 drunk frat boy

01:41:48.160 yeah

01:41:48.700 no people

01:41:49.500 always imagine

01:41:50.500 that the people

01:41:51.200 they control

01:41:51.940 their employees

01:41:52.860 their serfs 0.96

01:41:54.300 love them

01:41:55.120 and what

01:41:55.500 they need to

01:41:56.280 understand

01:41:56.640 I think this is

01:41:57.120 just true in

01:41:57.600 life

01:41:57.860 is that the

01:41:58.740 people subordinate

01:41:59.440 to you

01:41:59.700 resent you

01:42:00.220 they may like

01:42:00.920 you but they

01:42:01.240 also resent

01:42:01.700 you

01:42:01.900 that's what

01:42:04.900 I'm saying

01:42:05.620 right

01:42:06.180 and it's one

01:42:06.720 of the reasons

01:42:07.200 you see

01:42:07.580 hostility

01:42:08.120 among women

01:42:09.440 toward men

01:42:09.900 just in general

01:42:10.560 not a defining

01:42:11.720 characteristic

01:42:12.260 but there's a

01:42:12.880 little bit of

01:42:13.420 there's a little

01:42:14.360 bit of that

01:42:14.880 if you're in

01:42:15.240 the subordinate

01:42:15.740 sexual position 0.98

01:42:16.680 you're like a

01:42:17.900 little mad about

01:42:18.440 it I'm just

01:42:18.840 I'm sorry

01:42:19.260 I think that

01:42:19.800 sorry to

01:42:20.500 channel Dr.

01:42:21.280 Freud but there's

01:42:21.820 some truth in

01:42:22.280 that

01:42:22.440 and I

01:42:23.620 it's what we

01:42:24.460 were talking

01:42:24.700 before about you

01:42:25.280 I've said this

01:42:26.120 so many times

01:42:26.740 like just

01:42:28.020 if you belong

01:42:30.080 to one of

01:42:30.520 these so-called

01:42:31.060 marginalized groups

01:42:32.040 that liberals

01:42:32.860 think they own

01:42:33.580 and have an

01:42:34.200 entitlement to

01:42:34.720 control

01:42:35.160 you will never

01:42:37.640 see more

01:42:38.860 naked and

01:42:40.660 unadorned 0.92

01:42:41.480 bigotry

01:42:42.000 contemptuous

01:42:42.960 bigotry

01:42:43.520 than you will

01:42:44.400 see toward

01:42:44.880 individuals within

01:42:45.760 that group

01:42:46.220 who disobey

01:42:46.860 obviously

01:42:47.920 I remember

01:42:48.680 when I really

01:42:49.440 started splitting

01:42:49.900 from the left

01:42:50.360 I'd never had

01:42:51.180 real homophobia

01:42:51.880 in my entire

01:42:52.420 life before

01:42:53.060 I only started

01:42:54.400 seeing it

01:42:54.960 like once

01:42:55.860 I had that

01:42:56.420 breach

01:42:56.580 once you

01:42:57.680 questioned

01:42:58.220 before you

01:42:59.400 were a member

01:42:59.860 of the LBGT

01:43:01.060 community

01:43:01.380 exactly 0.85

01:43:01.880 and a pedophile 0.94

01:43:04.900 whatever 0.99

01:43:05.140 you know

01:43:05.440 all the things

01:43:06.140 and then

01:43:07.420 are you serious

01:43:08.120 oh yeah

01:43:08.640 and then

01:43:09.640 you know

01:43:10.600 the way they have

01:43:12.100 always talked about

01:43:12.740 I'm sorry to laugh

01:43:13.480 Clarence Thomas

01:43:13.720 no it's amazing

01:43:15.460 it's hilarious

01:43:16.460 the way they talk

01:43:17.240 about Clarence Thomas

01:43:18.080 oh I know

01:43:18.860 you know

01:43:19.320 any black person

01:43:20.220 who's been a

01:43:21.720 conservative

01:43:22.140 same with like

01:43:23.280 women who are 1.00

01:43:24.340 you know

01:43:24.700 Gloria Steinem

01:43:26.160 said about the

01:43:26.960 people

01:43:27.280 the young women

01:43:28.360 who were refusing

01:43:29.220 to vote for Hillary

01:43:29.880 and voting for Bernie

01:43:30.760 when asked like

01:43:31.460 why they were doing

01:43:32.120 that she's like

01:43:32.580 because young girls

01:43:33.240 go where the boys

01:43:33.940 are

01:43:34.280 you know like

01:43:35.400 the most demeaning

01:43:36.600 insulting thing

01:43:37.400 you can say

01:43:37.880 about women

01:43:38.520 that they don't

01:43:39.780 think on their own

01:43:40.420 they just like

01:43:40.960 mindlessly do

01:43:41.840 whatever the boys are

01:43:42.700 that and so

01:43:43.900 now you're seeing

01:43:44.800 this like

01:43:45.560 oh yeah

01:43:46.060 like Latinos 1.00

01:43:47.140 like are very 1.00

01:43:48.300 misogynistic 0.97

01:43:49.440 and primitive 1.00

01:43:49.920 so are black men 1.00

01:43:50.820 they hate women 1.00

01:43:51.600 you know 0.94

01:43:52.300 they're easily misled

01:43:53.460 they're low information

01:43:54.460 voters

01:43:54.980 you know

01:43:55.880 the amount of contempt

01:43:57.180 that liberal elites

01:43:58.360 have for these

01:43:59.680 non-white voters

01:44:00.660 who didn't do

01:44:01.400 as they're told

01:44:02.260 is almost scary

01:44:04.460 well it is scary

01:44:05.220 because it's a

01:44:05.760 psychological condition

01:44:06.580 that's of course 0.99

01:44:07.100 why they hate whites 0.98

01:44:07.840 that they've been 0.54

01:44:08.380 because they're losing

01:44:09.080 the white vote

01:44:09.780 and the second

01:44:10.380 they start to lose

01:44:11.000 the white vote

01:44:11.460 then whites became 0.98

01:44:12.140 the problem 0.98

01:44:12.580 in the country

01:44:13.040 it's like

01:44:13.280 where's all this 0.80

01:44:13.680 anti-white hate 0.99

01:44:14.340 coming from 0.97

01:44:14.780 well it's coming

01:44:15.200 from the democratic

01:44:16.240 party institutionally

01:44:17.180 because they're being

01:44:17.720 rejected by white voters

01:44:18.620 yeah and they were

01:44:19.300 ready to they thought

01:44:20.160 they were going to

01:44:20.560 get white women 1.00

01:44:21.260 they're going to

01:44:21.840 get to embrace

01:44:22.420 like white women 1.00

01:44:23.080 were going to rise up

01:44:23.900 and join them

01:44:24.680 against trump

01:44:25.200 but a majority

01:44:25.780 of white women

01:44:26.740 voted for trump

01:44:27.620 incredible

01:44:28.720 so they're going to

01:44:29.500 get I mean I will

01:44:30.720 say to his

01:44:31.600 Hispanics in the

01:44:32.640 United States

01:44:33.060 you're about to

01:44:33.660 be the subject

01:44:34.060 of a hate campaign

01:44:34.780 because

01:44:36.020 oh and like

01:44:37.200 and Muslims too

01:44:38.420 who didn't want

01:44:38.860 to vote for Kamala

01:44:39.780 because they were

01:44:41.060 feeding Israel

01:44:41.480 I can't tell you

01:44:42.780 how many times

01:44:43.180 I've seen

01:44:43.600 I can't wait

01:44:44.720 till you people 0.61

01:44:45.420 are deported

01:44:46.060 I can't wait

01:44:46.960 to see you 0.99

01:44:47.420 blown up in Gaza

01:44:48.380 there's this sentiment

01:44:49.680 like you're going

01:44:50.240 to get what you

01:44:50.800 deserve and I'm

01:44:51.500 going to laugh

01:44:51.940 about it and I'm

01:44:52.500 going to cheer it

01:44:53.240 same with the

01:44:54.040 with Latinos

01:44:54.660 I can't wait 0.99

01:44:55.280 till you're deported 0.92

01:44:56.120 you're going to

01:44:57.360 get what you

01:44:57.780 deserve when

01:44:58.480 your abuela

01:44:59.360 is deported 0.99

01:45:00.700 like really sick 0.90

01:45:02.060 stuff

01:45:02.260 Joy Reid

01:45:02.800 I'm not talking

01:45:03.360 about obscure

01:45:03.800 people on the

01:45:04.240 internet

01:45:04.440 she's gone

01:45:05.420 on the air

01:45:05.740 almost every night

01:45:06.480 and talked

01:45:06.820 that way 0.89

01:45:07.220 attack the Hispanics 1.00

01:45:08.620 and Muslims 1.00

01:45:10.400 and Arabs

01:45:10.920 well so the

01:45:11.700 best part about

01:45:12.460 this is the

01:45:13.040 language barrier

01:45:13.680 and very so few

01:45:14.660 liberals like even

01:45:15.500 bother to listen

01:45:16.200 to what people

01:45:16.920 actually think

01:45:17.860 or say

01:45:18.460 they just they're

01:45:19.060 not interested

01:45:19.820 you know it's

01:45:20.620 like they treat

01:45:21.180 everyone like a

01:45:21.680 three-year-old

01:45:22.640 but when they

01:45:23.800 find out the

01:45:24.960 social views of

01:45:26.080 your average

01:45:26.440 Central American

01:45:27.260 which I find

01:45:28.740 hilarious and

01:45:29.320 kind of great

01:45:29.740 but whatever

01:45:30.280 leaving my views

01:45:30.980 aside

01:45:31.460 the average

01:45:32.660 social views

01:45:33.580 of a Central

01:45:34.400 American just

01:45:35.200 on the social

01:45:35.660 issues

01:45:36.060 are so

01:45:37.880 far far out

01:45:39.460 of what's

01:45:39.920 considered

01:45:40.300 acceptable

01:45:40.900 but they have

01:45:41.600 no idea

01:45:42.140 which is so

01:45:42.640 ironic because

01:45:43.180 Democratic

01:45:43.580 strategists used

01:45:44.600 to openly

01:45:45.580 boast about

01:45:46.200 what if you

01:45:46.900 say you'll

01:45:47.240 get called

01:45:47.620 as a white

01:45:48.120 supremacist

01:45:48.520 of the 0.70

01:45:48.700 replacement

01:45:48.980 theory

01:45:49.300 that oh

01:45:50.020 we're going

01:45:50.240 to import

01:45:50.600 all these

01:45:50.900 people in

01:45:51.340 the United

01:45:51.540 States

01:45:51.800 make them

01:45:52.140 citizens

01:45:52.480 and they're

01:45:52.820 going to

01:45:52.980 be supporters

01:45:53.920 of the

01:45:54.180 Democratic

01:45:54.440 party

01:45:54.740 and we're

01:45:54.980 going to

01:45:55.180 reign

01:45:55.360 forever

01:45:55.760 like a

01:45:56.160 thousand

01:45:56.420 years

01:45:56.840 because these

01:45:57.500 are all

01:45:57.800 our voters

01:45:58.300 when they

01:45:58.680 get here

01:45:59.200 and they

01:45:59.820 find out

01:46:00.320 that actually

01:46:01.040 but I have

01:46:02.660 to say

01:46:02.940 like there's

01:46:03.300 a great

01:46:03.620 article in

01:46:04.200 New York

01:46:04.340 Magazine

01:46:04.620 which is

01:46:04.960 words that

01:46:05.480 pass my

01:46:06.160 lips very

01:46:06.740 very rarely

01:46:07.280 where this

01:46:08.480 writer

01:46:08.880 who actually

01:46:10.600 wrote a very

01:46:11.000 critical profile

01:46:11.640 of me like

01:46:12.100 five years

01:46:12.480 ago so

01:46:13.080 who is it

01:46:13.860 his name

01:46:14.580 is Simon

01:46:15.100 I just

01:46:17.100 talked to him

01:46:18.100 today about

01:46:18.400 this article

01:46:18.780 because it's

01:46:19.160 a great

01:46:19.440 article

01:46:19.800 I'm embarrassed

01:46:21.180 I don't know

01:46:21.520 his name

01:46:21.820 but I can't

01:46:22.540 remember his

01:46:22.760 last name

01:46:23.160 it's hyphenated

01:46:24.420 so it's just

01:46:24.900 a little complicated

01:46:25.380 but anyway

01:46:25.720 I really recommend

01:46:26.580 this article

01:46:26.920 he just went

01:46:27.620 what he did

01:46:28.020 was he

01:46:28.320 purposely went

01:46:29.080 to black 0.94

01:46:30.740 Latino

01:46:31.500 Asian

01:46:32.780 neighborhoods

01:46:33.180 where there

01:46:33.820 was a lot

01:46:34.120 of Trump

01:46:34.420 votes

01:46:34.860 and he

01:46:35.200 just walked

01:46:35.560 around the

01:46:35.920 street

01:46:36.140 and talked

01:46:36.520 to as many

01:46:36.900 people as he

01:46:37.380 could who voted

01:46:38.080 for Trump

01:46:38.460 about why

01:46:39.060 and what I

01:46:42.840 think people

01:46:43.720 don't understand

01:46:45.200 is that the 0.94

01:46:46.640 Latino and black

01:46:48.240 NGO presidents

01:46:49.360 who get put on

01:46:49.920 TV who are

01:46:50.420 supposedly there to

01:46:51.060 speak for

01:46:51.620 have less in

01:46:53.420 common with the

01:46:54.580 people on whose

01:46:55.060 behalf they're

01:46:55.520 speaking than 0.71

01:46:56.640 like the white 0.63

01:46:57.840 host of these

01:46:58.560 shows

01:46:58.860 way less

01:46:59.420 and so you go

01:47:00.180 there

01:47:00.320 certainly less than

01:47:01.000 me

01:47:01.340 I mean I have

01:47:01.860 like attitudes

01:47:02.420 that are pretty

01:47:02.880 popular in those

01:47:03.540 communities

01:47:03.900 right exactly

01:47:04.620 but still like

01:47:05.420 you know a lot

01:47:06.080 of them are

01:47:06.340 just like

01:47:07.300 far from being

01:47:09.180 like you know

01:47:10.900 deceived by

01:47:11.780 disinformation

01:47:12.420 they're like

01:47:13.900 there's the

01:47:14.740 democratic party

01:47:15.280 that supported

01:47:15.720 NAFTA

01:47:16.240 like we're having

01:47:17.860 trouble paying for

01:47:18.680 our health care

01:47:19.280 or food for our

01:47:19.980 kids and they're

01:47:20.420 sending billions

01:47:20.980 of dollars to

01:47:21.620 Ukraine and to

01:47:22.280 Israel to all

01:47:22.900 these other

01:47:23.240 countries

01:47:23.620 they're just

01:47:24.440 talking about

01:47:24.920 the struggles

01:47:25.420 that they have

01:47:25.960 in their lives

01:47:26.480 and the way in

01:47:26.960 which the

01:47:27.260 government doesn't

01:47:27.900 care

01:47:28.200 there's some

01:47:28.820 social issue

01:47:29.300 stuff too

01:47:29.820 but once you

01:47:31.220 get to the

01:47:31.520 United States

01:47:31.880 to become a

01:47:32.380 citizen

01:47:32.680 you integrate

01:47:34.100 pretty quickly

01:47:34.720 and the thing

01:47:35.780 you don't sit

01:47:36.680 around thinking

01:47:37.100 about trans

01:47:37.920 people or

01:47:38.680 whatever

01:47:38.960 gay marriage

01:47:39.920 or these are

01:47:40.520 ancillary issues

01:47:41.300 even if they

01:47:41.800 don't agree

01:47:42.100 with the

01:47:42.300 democratic party

01:47:42.780 on they

01:47:43.080 might that

01:47:43.680 might contribute

01:47:44.240 to the

01:47:44.560 alienation

01:47:45.060 the fact

01:47:45.420 that you

01:47:46.320 know

01:47:46.500 they had

01:47:47.080 that's why

01:47:47.380 that Kamala

01:47:48.060 ad was

01:47:48.800 effective

01:47:49.140 not because

01:47:49.520 people are

01:47:49.900 sitting around

01:47:50.200 thinking about

01:47:50.580 whether trans

01:47:51.040 people should

01:47:51.440 get government

01:47:51.840 funded

01:47:52.260 sexual assignment

01:47:53.740 surgeries

01:47:54.000 in prison

01:47:54.680 but because

01:47:55.420 it was like

01:47:55.700 a proxy

01:47:56.260 for explaining

01:47:58.280 that these

01:47:58.920 people have

01:47:59.720 nothing in

01:48:00.280 common with

01:48:00.660 their lives

01:48:01.000 they don't

01:48:01.240 care about

01:48:01.720 you

01:48:01.880 they don't

01:48:02.120 care about

01:48:02.400 your values

01:48:02.760 had they

01:48:03.620 felt

01:48:04.000 economically

01:48:04.680 satisfied

01:48:05.200 I don't

01:48:05.600 think that

01:48:05.880 would have

01:48:06.080 resonated

01:48:06.360 because that's

01:48:06.700 not what

01:48:06.860 people care

01:48:07.180 about

01:48:07.420 but most

01:48:08.540 of them

01:48:08.820 are just

01:48:09.260 worried about

01:48:10.100 the same

01:48:10.380 thing everybody

01:48:10.820 else is worried

01:48:11.360 about

01:48:11.600 and they

01:48:12.640 finally got to

01:48:13.120 the point

01:48:13.360 where they

01:48:13.560 realize

01:48:13.940 less power

01:48:14.500 so they're

01:48:14.980 even more

01:48:15.400 worried

01:48:15.760 exactly

01:48:16.740 they're the

01:48:17.140 people who

01:48:17.500 get most

01:48:18.380 affected

01:48:18.780 especially

01:48:19.220 by immigration

01:48:19.840 totally

01:48:20.520 I mean

01:48:20.960 the people

01:48:21.440 who lose

01:48:21.780 their jobs

01:48:22.160 with immigration

01:48:22.680 often are

01:48:24.020 non-white people

01:48:25.180 black working 0.70

01:48:26.380 class

01:48:26.760 latino working

01:48:27.400 class

01:48:27.740 and they feel

01:48:28.120 resentful

01:48:28.720 about everything

01:48:29.480 that's being

01:48:29.840 done for

01:48:30.320 you know

01:48:30.560 there was a lot

01:48:31.080 of oh

01:48:31.920 they're giving

01:48:32.400 free housing

01:48:33.160 and free

01:48:34.040 meals to

01:48:35.160 illegal immigrants

01:48:36.560 while I can't 0.53

01:48:37.400 feed my family

01:48:38.160 I really recommend

01:48:39.320 the article

01:48:39.720 it's not done

01:48:40.820 with caricature

01:48:41.500 it's not like

01:48:42.160 handpicking a few

01:48:42.840 comments

01:48:43.180 which is a very

01:48:43.520 long article

01:48:44.040 and it just

01:48:45.080 lets these people

01:48:45.680 speak for themselves

01:48:46.320 in a very

01:48:47.100 revealing way

01:48:47.880 what's just so

01:48:48.720 funny is you

01:48:49.320 live in brazil

01:48:50.160 which is another

01:48:51.620 continent

01:48:52.080 it is

01:48:53.260 you've been there

01:48:53.760 a while

01:48:54.160 20 years

01:48:54.920 20 years

01:48:56.000 but I bet

01:48:57.260 if I called you

01:48:57.940 the week before

01:48:58.400 the election

01:48:58.720 which I should

01:48:59.180 have done

01:48:59.480 but I got

01:49:00.380 busy

01:49:00.600 but if I'd

01:49:01.440 said like

01:49:01.760 what do you

01:49:02.720 think

01:49:03.340 black and

01:49:04.900 latino

01:49:05.560 people

01:49:06.540 men

01:49:07.120 married people

01:49:08.000 in new york

01:49:08.520 city around

01:49:08.840 the country

01:49:09.160 what do you

01:49:09.420 think they

01:49:09.960 think

01:49:10.400 politically

01:49:10.880 I bet

01:49:11.440 you would

01:49:11.740 have been

01:49:11.940 pretty

01:49:12.160 I know

01:49:12.640 you would

01:49:13.000 have

01:49:13.200 figured

01:49:13.740 this

01:49:13.940 out

01:49:14.080 yeah

01:49:14.180 I was

01:49:14.340 talking

01:49:14.540 about

01:49:14.780 this

01:49:15.000 but you

01:49:15.300 don't even

01:49:15.600 live here

01:49:16.080 I know

01:49:16.380 but I lived

01:49:16.900 here like

01:49:17.280 for the first

01:49:17.800 38 years

01:49:18.420 of my life

01:49:18.860 it's the only

01:49:19.340 country of which

01:49:19.960 I've ever been

01:49:20.380 a citizen

01:49:20.800 I'm here all

01:49:21.820 the time

01:49:22.380 but I do

01:49:23.960 think that

01:49:24.880 but how do you

01:49:25.560 know that

01:49:25.880 and they don't

01:49:26.440 that's the

01:49:26.840 point

01:49:27.060 I think

01:49:27.580 that distance

01:49:28.180 gives you

01:49:28.600 a perspective

01:49:29.660 like the fact

01:49:31.220 that I'm

01:49:31.660 my friends

01:49:32.340 are not

01:49:33.120 media and

01:49:33.840 political

01:49:34.080 people in

01:49:34.600 New York

01:49:34.840 and Washington

01:49:35.320 that I'm

01:49:35.800 not hooked

01:49:36.660 into their

01:49:37.380 to their

01:49:37.940 worldview

01:49:43.000 gives me

01:49:43.720 I think

01:49:44.080 a broader

01:49:44.400 perspective

01:49:44.900 like if you

01:49:45.400 live in

01:49:45.700 Northern Virginia

01:49:46.320 and you like

01:49:47.060 spend all your

01:49:47.480 time in

01:49:47.780 Washington

01:49:48.060 and green

01:49:48.460 rooms

01:49:48.700 or New York

01:49:49.260 you're going

01:49:49.580 to be so

01:49:50.220 distorted

01:49:51.080 in the things

01:49:51.720 that you think

01:49:52.080 about the world

01:49:52.780 but also I think

01:49:54.260 you have to

01:49:54.600 like go out

01:49:55.100 of your way

01:49:55.540 to okay

01:49:56.660 I don't want

01:49:57.120 to be told

01:49:57.820 what people

01:49:59.040 think by other

01:50:00.040 people who are

01:50:00.540 reporting to their

01:50:01.180 spokespeople

01:50:01.540 I want to hear

01:50:02.220 from them

01:50:02.560 directly

01:50:02.940 I want to

01:50:03.320 look at the

01:50:03.720 polling data

01:50:04.320 I want to

01:50:04.720 understand what

01:50:05.380 they're thinking

01:50:05.980 and you can

01:50:07.020 just see it

01:50:07.640 you could hear

01:50:08.220 it you could

01:50:08.640 feel it

01:50:09.060 you could

01:50:09.400 observe it

01:50:10.080 analytically

01:50:10.880 in data

01:50:11.820 but they just

01:50:13.320 I remember

01:50:13.880 people on CNN

01:50:14.500 saying you know

01:50:15.860 I think it was

01:50:16.480 Van Jones

01:50:18.500 or no it was

01:50:19.160 Bakari Sellers

01:50:20.060 who was like

01:50:20.580 I don't care

01:50:21.820 what the polls

01:50:22.280 say

01:50:22.700 I can guarantee

01:50:23.760 you there won't

01:50:24.260 be more than

01:50:24.720 5% of black men

01:50:25.700 voting for Donald

01:50:26.380 Trump I don't

01:50:26.920 care what the

01:50:27.320 polls say

01:50:27.780 there won't

01:50:28.360 be anywhere

01:50:28.700 near 15%

01:50:29.960 of you know

01:50:31.320 he Bakari

01:50:32.540 Sellers said

01:50:33.200 that oh

01:50:33.560 yeah just

01:50:34.500 like I don't

01:50:35.060 care what the

01:50:35.420 polls say

01:50:35.720 I'm not

01:50:36.140 like a huge

01:50:36.820 you know I'm

01:50:37.300 not a huge

01:50:37.760 expert on

01:50:38.360 black America

01:50:39.400 and I don't 0.91

01:50:40.120 have a million

01:50:40.700 black friends

01:50:41.380 but I have

01:50:41.720 some actually

01:50:42.700 like actual

01:50:43.140 friends I

01:50:44.280 don't know

01:50:44.920 a liberal

01:50:45.600 black guy

01:50:46.360 I know some

01:50:47.480 who vote for

01:50:47.820 Democrats or

01:50:48.320 whatever but I

01:50:48.840 don't know I

01:50:49.680 literally don't

01:50:50.340 know except like

01:50:50.800 the guys you see

01:50:51.360 in green rooms

01:50:51.820 went to Princeton

01:50:52.360 or like fake

01:50:53.000 preachers or

01:50:53.540 something but

01:50:53.920 like actual

01:50:54.360 black men I

01:50:55.520 don't know any 0.98

01:50:56.460 the only ones

01:50:57.300 are in the

01:50:57.560 media the ones

01:50:58.340 I just don't

01:50:59.140 know any

01:50:59.460 person I've

01:50:59.980 never even

01:51:00.340 met one

01:51:00.840 right and

01:51:01.480 so like what

01:51:02.240 is this

01:51:02.700 but this has

01:51:03.260 been if you

01:51:04.000 think about the

01:51:04.680 Democratic Party

01:51:05.340 the thing you

01:51:06.480 fear most is

01:51:07.980 that these

01:51:08.600 groups that

01:51:09.860 have been

01:51:10.260 voting for you

01:51:10.860 for generations

01:51:11.580 and have been

01:51:13.020 passed had

01:51:13.880 loyalties passed

01:51:14.740 down from their

01:51:15.900 parents their

01:51:16.540 grandparents who

01:51:17.600 don't even think

01:51:18.280 about not voting

01:51:19.160 for you every

01:51:19.820 election once that

01:51:21.840 breaks I'm

01:51:23.460 not saying

01:51:23.880 that those

01:51:24.540 people who

01:51:24.920 voted for

01:51:25.240 Trump will

01:51:25.520 never vote

01:51:25.900 Democrat again

01:51:26.600 but now they

01:51:27.960 know there's an

01:51:28.460 option they're

01:51:29.300 free people they

01:51:30.140 get to decide

01:51:30.840 for themselves

01:51:31.400 who they want

01:51:32.260 and nothing is

01:51:33.280 more alarming

01:51:34.480 or or or

01:51:35.940 petrifying to

01:51:36.960 Democratic Party

01:51:37.700 elites than

01:51:38.360 seeing that

01:51:39.260 I think it's

01:51:40.200 really good it's

01:51:40.840 good for the

01:51:41.240 country the

01:51:42.960 Democratic Party

01:51:43.900 in its you

01:51:45.140 know current

01:51:45.680 iteration is

01:51:46.580 just is almost

01:51:47.960 purely destructive

01:51:48.800 and shouldn't

01:51:50.760 be you you need

01:51:51.720 a two-party

01:51:52.180 system where both

01:51:53.140 parties are

01:51:53.820 represent it's

01:51:55.780 integrated like

01:51:56.780 yeah I remember

01:51:57.580 like the smartest

01:51:58.180 Republicans like

01:51:59.060 J.D. Vance

01:51:59.700 Josh Hotley

01:52:00.660 like the ones who

01:52:02.220 really understand

01:52:03.380 that you can't

01:52:04.020 have the same

01:52:04.400 Republican Party

01:52:04.940 as you did in

01:52:05.400 1980 have always

01:52:07.420 been describing the

01:52:08.140 future of the

01:52:08.520 Republican Party

01:52:09.060 as a multi-racial

01:52:10.100 working-class

01:52:10.720 coalition and to

01:52:12.140 watch people

01:52:13.500 identifying primarily

01:52:15.020 based on their

01:52:16.160 citizenship and

01:52:17.460 their class that's

01:52:18.540 what you want as

01:52:19.260 opposed to

01:52:19.720 constantly being

01:52:20.340 divided by race

01:52:21.360 you want is so

01:52:22.740 amen promising to

01:52:24.420 see well it's

01:52:25.260 essential or else

01:52:26.140 you have Rwanda I

01:52:27.100 mean because you

01:52:28.500 know your class

01:52:29.520 can change but

01:52:32.340 your race doesn't 0.98

01:52:33.300 change and so if

01:52:34.300 you engender a

01:52:34.980 conflict on the

01:52:35.540 basis of immutable

01:52:36.280 characteristics it's

01:52:37.220 not solvable

01:52:37.800 and so you don't

01:52:39.300 want to ever do

01:52:40.020 that you make

01:52:40.840 people hate each

01:52:41.460 other based on how

01:52:42.060 much they make

01:52:42.740 okay where they

01:52:43.500 live even but

01:52:44.800 their skin color

01:52:45.660 well as you say

01:52:46.400 that gives them the

01:52:47.200 idea of change like

01:52:48.200 hey we can change

01:52:48.820 the government

01:52:49.240 well that's exactly

01:52:49.980 right exactly

01:52:50.500 whereas immutable

01:52:51.040 characteristic by

01:52:51.820 definition don't

01:52:52.620 no that's like

01:52:53.660 that's like Albanian 0.98

01:52:55.120 blood feud that

01:52:56.100 last 800 years like

01:52:57.240 you can't do that

01:52:58.160 but that has been

01:52:58.960 the predominant

01:53:00.220 liberal mindset is

01:53:01.460 to encourage people

01:53:02.240 to see themselves

01:53:03.100 as part of

01:53:04.820 insulated factions

01:53:05.720 who hate other

01:53:06.460 factions based on

01:53:07.380 those characteristics

01:53:08.080 and there's almost

01:53:08.820 nothing more offensive

01:53:09.840 to me about what

01:53:11.320 American liberalism

01:53:12.220 writ large has done

01:53:13.300 than try and impose

01:53:14.580 that framework on

01:53:15.360 people to divide

01:53:16.220 people based on

01:53:17.240 things that in fact

01:53:18.340 don't divide them

01:53:19.200 well yeah especially

01:53:20.280 since the experience

01:53:21.420 of just like living

01:53:22.440 in this country

01:53:23.260 you know is so

01:53:24.920 different from what

01:53:25.540 they describe I

01:53:26.460 have always been on

01:53:27.660 the right I've

01:53:28.480 never had anybody

01:53:30.200 anybody who's black

01:53:32.080 or hispanic or

01:53:32.760 non-white ever 0.93

01:53:33.740 attack me one time 0.59

01:53:34.780 in public as a

01:53:35.740 racist I've only

01:53:37.020 had affluent white 0.98

01:53:38.000 women attack me 1.00

01:53:38.720 that way I don't

01:53:39.880 see people hating

01:53:40.560 each other on the

01:53:41.120 basis of race I

01:53:42.040 don't I'm sure

01:53:42.720 there's racism I

01:53:43.460 know that there is

01:53:44.160 because people are

01:53:45.500 flawed but it's not

01:53:46.300 a defining fact in

01:53:47.400 this country that I

01:53:48.340 have ever known I

01:53:48.960 don't know what the

01:53:49.340 hell they're talking

01:53:50.020 about I mean they're

01:53:50.760 trying to scare the 0.66

01:53:51.340 shit out of people to 0.90

01:53:52.080 get their votes that's 0.99

01:53:52.840 it one obviously

01:53:53.640 millions of non-white 0.97

01:53:54.940 people agree with

01:53:55.800 these and voted for

01:53:57.400 the white candidate over

01:53:58.460 the black one I 0.67

01:53:59.420 know and the

01:54:00.160 white candidate who

01:54:00.880 they were told was

01:54:02.460 Adolf Hitler and 0.75

01:54:03.660 wanted to put all 0.68

01:54:04.380 non-white people in 0.99

01:54:05.080 camps they were

01:54:05.900 looking around

01:54:06.360 they're like that's

01:54:07.120 not my experience

01:54:08.220 so I gotta one last

01:54:11.460 question like that we

01:54:13.080 began the conversation

01:54:14.280 with the war that

01:54:16.900 we're now in I

01:54:17.500 were in a war with

01:54:18.080 Russia and that

01:54:20.560 really is something

01:54:21.460 that the Biden

01:54:22.200 administration is

01:54:22.840 doing to punish the

01:54:25.000 incoming Trump

01:54:25.640 administration I

01:54:26.600 think and to

01:54:27.340 prevent it from

01:54:28.060 acting you know with

01:54:29.440 the autonomy any

01:54:30.160 administration should

01:54:30.860 have but they're

01:54:32.240 also going to leave

01:54:32.960 all behind all kinds

01:54:34.400 I mean they're not

01:54:34.820 going to spend the

01:54:35.180 next seven weeks

01:54:35.680 doing nothing

01:54:36.300 one of the things

01:54:37.520 they're going to try

01:54:37.920 to do is increase

01:54:38.620 censorship I think

01:54:39.680 over the next seven

01:54:41.560 weeks or am I just

01:54:42.440 being paranoid

01:54:42.940 I think you're right

01:54:44.820 they're obviously not

01:54:45.760 going to do nothing

01:54:46.360 they're going to try

01:54:47.100 and fortify everything

01:54:48.200 as much as possible

01:54:49.080 from the kind of

01:54:49.980 change the American

01:54:50.600 people just voted

01:54:51.240 for the party of

01:54:51.920 democracy is going

01:54:52.680 that censorship in

01:54:58.060 my view began like

01:54:59.920 systemic censorship on

01:55:01.360 the internet began as

01:55:02.440 a reaction to 2016

01:55:03.800 without question

01:55:04.440 both to Brexit but

01:55:05.340 especially to Trump

01:55:06.240 that's right that's

01:55:06.940 when you saw the

01:55:07.480 emergence of these

01:55:09.220 highly well-funded

01:55:10.100 disinformation experts

01:55:11.360 the concoction of this

01:55:12.620 fake expertise called

01:55:13.800 disinformation experts

01:55:15.040 how do people get to

01:55:17.600 be that where where do

01:55:19.020 you go to school to be

01:55:19.660 a disinformation expert

01:55:20.940 like a floating

01:55:21.880 arbiter of truth

01:55:22.760 but they needed to

01:55:24.600 radically intensify

01:55:26.140 censorship because

01:55:26.760 they blamed free speech

01:55:28.920 and the free flow of

01:55:29.700 information on they

01:55:31.720 blamed that for for

01:55:32.800 Brexit first but

01:55:33.760 especially for Trump's

01:55:34.840 victory and they 0.70

01:55:35.940 wanted to crack down

01:55:36.580 on that there's always

01:55:37.460 now an ongoing effort

01:55:38.520 to try and crack down

01:55:39.480 on that I think

01:55:41.460 though what they're

01:55:42.260 going to try and do

01:55:43.000 is look at the areas

01:55:44.800 that they believe Trump

01:55:45.780 is trying most radically

01:55:47.140 to change beginning

01:55:47.900 with foreign but

01:55:48.460 that's foreign policy

01:55:49.300 the thing that they

01:55:50.080 value most that's

01:55:51.640 by far you know

01:55:52.600 centerpiece of how

01:55:53.540 America runs in their 0.95

01:55:54.360 view and they're

01:55:56.260 going to spend as

01:55:56.740 much of their time

01:55:57.360 subverting him and

01:55:58.400 sabotaging him in

01:55:59.400 advance even though

01:56:01.160 he just won the

01:56:02.140 election by a pretty 0.98

01:56:03.140 like solid margin

01:56:06.060 and there are some

01:56:09.380 things that will be

01:56:09.860 reversible but if you

01:56:11.280 escalate the war in

01:56:12.020 Ukraine and Trump

01:56:12.880 now is coming into a

01:56:13.760 war that the Russians 0.99

01:56:15.380 perceive accurately to

01:56:17.320 be not just a proxy

01:56:18.260 war with the West

01:56:19.040 behind Ukraine but

01:56:20.540 where NATO is

01:56:21.380 actually bombing

01:56:22.040 Russia it becomes 0.85

01:56:23.540 infinitely more

01:56:24.400 difficult to keep

01:56:25.200 under control and to

01:56:27.000 resolve the problem

01:56:28.960 is is that the risks

01:56:30.020 of this are so great

01:56:32.760 that it it actually

01:56:35.220 sickens me more than

01:56:36.300 almost anything I've

01:56:37.120 ever seen me too that

01:56:38.400 they're willing to do

01:56:39.020 this on the way out

01:56:39.860 to just prevent this

01:56:41.860 war from ending and

01:56:42.960 trifling with the risk

01:56:46.200 of a nuclear exchange

01:56:47.500 with the lives of

01:56:48.780 every person on earth

01:56:49.900 yeah I just got to

01:56:54.880 close by saying

01:56:55.760 there's been in

01:56:57.280 journalism my whole

01:56:57.860 life I you know

01:56:58.780 spent a lot of time

01:56:59.480 around journalists

01:56:59.920 bragging about the

01:57:00.540 risks they take I've

01:57:01.540 never known a

01:57:02.340 journalist who's been

01:57:03.300 threatened with prison

01:57:04.440 more times than you

01:57:05.140 have probably once

01:57:07.220 every six months I just

01:57:08.100 check to make sure

01:57:08.940 that you're not in

01:57:09.600 prison yeah my

01:57:10.380 friends do that too

01:57:11.040 I'm always assuming

01:57:12.540 you're going to wind

01:57:13.540 up in prison for

01:57:14.720 challenging the

01:57:15.760 powerful and revealing

01:57:17.060 what they're actually

01:57:17.580 doing so I just want

01:57:18.540 to say congratulations

01:57:19.660 on remaining free

01:57:20.540 thank you I

01:57:21.040 appreciate that it's

01:57:21.760 not always been such

01:57:22.780 an easy task there

01:57:24.300 have been times when

01:57:24.860 I've gotten pretty

01:57:25.540 close including

01:57:26.220 recently but I feel

01:57:28.740 like if you're not

01:57:29.620 hated by and feel

01:57:31.660 and perceived as a

01:57:32.820 threat by people in

01:57:33.820 power you're not

01:57:34.320 doing your job

01:57:34.960 that's for sure

01:57:35.640 what I really believe

01:57:36.680 well then by that

01:57:37.820 measure you're the

01:57:38.300 most successful

01:57:38.800 journalist of our

01:57:39.420 generation which I

01:57:40.140 already thought it

01:57:40.520 anyway but

01:57:41.000 congratulations

01:57:41.520 thank you Tucker

01:57:42.360 Glenn Greenwald

01:57:42.960 always great to see

01:57:43.640 you thank you

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The Tucker Carlson Show - November 20, 2024

Glenn Greenwald： Dangerous New Escalation in Russia, & Our Blackmailed Politicians

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