The Tucker Carlson Show - Glenn Greenwald： The Truth About Epstein, Jake Tapper's Humiliation, & Insane New Push to Nuke Gaza

00:00:00.000 It must be a little weird to get scooped by CNN on Joe Biden's dementia.

00:00:04.640 Like, you had no idea.

00:00:05.720 None of us knew.

00:00:06.540 You know, but no, now Jake Tapper has uncovered the truth.

00:00:10.700 Like, it turns out Joe Biden was in cognitive decline.

00:00:13.280 Did you know that?

00:00:14.060 How did he find out?

00:00:14.980 Just hardcore shoe leather investigative reporting.

00:00:16.900 Just working his sources.

00:00:17.920 Working his sources, like calling all the people in Washington,

00:00:20.840 digging up, like, FOIA documents.

00:00:23.880 I just find the Epstein file so fascinating because the two biggest issues are,

00:00:28.200 are there people to whom he's trafficked?

00:00:30.300 Minors, but nobody has been charged with being the recipient of that sex trafficking.

00:00:34.960 But the much more interesting question for me is,

00:00:38.280 was he working with or for any foreign intelligence agencies?

00:00:42.200 Israel is the number one recipient of NSA technology and NSA intelligence.

00:00:46.640 But at the same time, the documents that describe who are our greatest intelligence threats,

00:00:52.640 who are our greatest intelligence adversaries, who spies on us the most,

00:00:56.260 who is capable of spying out the most, number one on the list is Israel as well.

00:01:00.000 All right, Glenn, I think last time you're here,

00:01:22.320 I ambushed you just by rolling the cameras.

00:01:24.760 Not doing that.

00:01:25.500 We are on camera right now.

00:01:26.940 Right.

00:01:27.240 It was funny because every show you ever go on,

00:01:29.480 it always begins in some sort of way to indicate that you're actually starting.

00:01:32.480 Like, Glenn Greenwald, welcome to the program.

00:01:33.880 Thank you, Tucker, for having me.

00:01:35.000 But the last time I was on, we were just sitting here chatting,

00:01:37.360 and it turned out 10 minutes in, I was like, oh, we're rolling?

00:01:39.820 Yeah, we've been rolling since we started.

00:01:41.040 Yeah, but you are one of those people, and this is the highest compliment I can give,

00:01:44.300 who's exactly the same off camera, exactly the same as you are on camera.

00:01:48.960 Right.

00:01:49.300 But that's why I thought our conversation was just the conversation that we always have,

00:01:53.960 and it turned out it was just the show, which made no difference.

00:01:57.540 Your staff, Curtis, let me see this first time in it.

00:02:00.020 I was like, yeah, that's what I think.

00:02:01.720 That's how I speak, and that's all fine.

00:02:03.860 Yeah, there is, if you like Glenn Greenwald, you'll like him at dinner.

00:02:06.980 Trust me, that's what I can say about you.

00:02:08.980 So you are, I think, the dean of alternative media.

00:02:12.700 You've been doing this longer than anybody that I know personally.

00:02:16.940 So it must be a little weird to get scooped by CNN on Joe Biden's dementia.

00:02:21.860 Like, you had no idea.

00:02:22.980 None of us knew.

00:02:24.060 You know, I mean, there was that debate, and we were all shocked,

00:02:27.520 but we were told he had a cold.

00:02:29.340 So I was like, okay, he's on some cold medication.

00:02:31.080 Like, who hasn't been there before?

00:02:32.680 He makes you a little draggy, a little groggy, a little just like drag.

00:02:36.980 But no, now Jake Tapper has uncovered the truth.

00:02:40.820 Like, it turns out Joe Biden was in cognitive decline.

00:02:43.400 Did you know that?

00:02:44.180 How did he find out?

00:02:45.600 Just hardcore shoe leather investigative reporting.

00:02:47.800 Just working his sources.

00:02:48.840 Working his sources, like calling all the people in Washington,

00:02:51.780 digging up, like, FOIA documents.

00:02:56.160 No, it really, you know, it's one of those things where

00:03:00.560 you kind of can't believe what you're witnessing

00:03:03.400 because Jake Tapper is pretending to have uncovered

00:03:06.820 a scandal that he himself led the way in the media

00:03:10.680 or one of the leaders in the media in covering up

00:03:13.060 to the point where if somebody would go on his show and say,

00:03:16.660 Joe Biden is obviously in cognitive decline.

00:03:19.240 He can't get a sentence out.

00:03:20.440 He would say, how dare you bully kids who stutter?

00:03:24.280 Like, are you at all ashamed of what you're doing?

00:03:27.040 That's what he told Laura Trump when she was like,

00:03:28.560 yeah, I just, I feel bad for Joe Biden.

00:03:30.320 And I wish you could get a sentence out.

00:03:31.520 And he's like, do you ever think about what you're doing

00:03:34.040 to kids who stutter and the kind of world

00:03:36.120 you're creating for them?

00:03:37.120 And she's like, what?

00:03:38.380 Like everyone else, I never even knew Joe Biden

00:03:40.360 had a stutter.

00:03:40.960 I've been watching him for decades.

00:03:42.180 I never saw him stutter before.

00:03:44.200 The whole stuttering thing was just itself.

00:03:46.020 Did he actually say that?

00:03:47.940 Yes, he told Laura Trump that she was like at an event

00:03:51.420 and it was a very like, you know, benign remark.

00:03:54.320 She was just saying, yeah, you watch Joe Biden.

00:03:56.480 Because we've talked about this before when,

00:03:58.320 you know, I was on your show.

00:03:59.120 So it wasn't even when he was president,

00:04:01.540 it was in the run-up to the 2020 campaign.

00:04:03.860 And we were talking about this

00:04:04.540 and we always talked about, everybody I know did,

00:04:07.440 no one takes joy in it.

00:04:08.740 Like we've all had that experience

00:04:09.920 of watching an older person in our family,

00:04:11.780 you know, go through cognitive decline.

00:04:13.700 It's actually quite sad.

00:04:15.660 So the way she was saying it was like, yeah,

00:04:17.780 you know, honestly, as a human being,

00:04:19.080 I watched Joe Biden

00:04:19.980 and he's in the middle of a sentence

00:04:21.760 that he can't finish.

00:04:22.500 I'm like, come on, Joe, get that out.

00:04:23.800 And then when he went on,

00:04:24.960 she went on Jake Tapper's show,

00:04:26.560 he played that tape and he said,

00:04:28.720 do you understand the world of bullying

00:04:31.260 that you're creating for kids who stutter?

00:04:34.040 And she was like, what?

00:04:37.480 I'm just attacking stuttering kids.

00:04:39.420 Yeah.

00:04:39.720 And she's like, I didn't even know he had a stutter.

00:04:41.420 And she said, and we all know he has a stutter.

00:04:43.760 And I know that you are mocking his stutter.

00:04:46.660 And so this was not just a person

00:04:48.840 who didn't speak about Joe Biden's cognitive decline,

00:04:52.080 who's now uncovering this shocking truth

00:04:55.000 that 85% of the public has known for years,

00:04:57.200 according to polls.

00:04:58.400 He was, he would go on.

00:04:59.560 I heard him this week saying,

00:05:01.320 one of the very few people,

00:05:02.760 because he was asked,

00:05:03.660 why didn't people in the Democratic Party

00:05:05.180 speak up and say this since they all knew it?

00:05:08.060 And he said, well, Dean Phillips tried

00:05:09.860 and he got mauled and maligned.

00:05:13.640 And his character was attacked by the Democratic Party.

00:05:15.960 I was like, by the Democratic Party?

00:05:17.760 Go watch what happened when Dean Phillips

00:05:19.540 went on Jake Tapper's show

00:05:21.020 and said that one of the reasons

00:05:22.600 he was running for president,

00:05:23.560 he was concerned about Joe Biden's age

00:05:25.640 and his infirmities and how he couldn't win

00:05:27.540 and couldn't govern.

00:05:29.160 And Jake Tapper said to him,

00:05:30.980 do you know that your Democratic colleagues

00:05:33.480 despise you and they've been telling me

00:05:35.660 the worst possible thing?

00:05:37.480 That's what he did to everybody who went on his show

00:05:40.220 in order to say, hey,

00:05:42.580 I think Joe Biden's in cognitive decline.

00:05:44.360 He was, he was, I mean,

00:05:45.560 obviously he wanted Biden to win desperately

00:05:47.920 and would not tolerate anyone going on the show

00:05:51.640 and saying that Biden was in cognitive decline.

00:05:53.440 And now he's making millions of dollars off a book.

00:05:55.720 But the only good thing is

00:05:56.880 that his credibility is so in tatters from it

00:06:00.640 that he had to hire a PR crisis firm,

00:06:03.140 like the kind that Anthony Weiner had to hire,

00:06:05.160 that like Puffy Combs hired.

00:06:07.060 Like imagine being a journalist

00:06:08.260 and being exposed is such a fraud

00:06:11.160 that you have to hire a PR crisis team

00:06:13.680 of the kind that like public figures hire

00:06:16.300 when they're involved in some like big,

00:06:17.720 you know, sex scandal or like bribery scandal.

00:06:21.100 That's who's managing Jake Tapper's behavior

00:06:24.240 and his comportment.

00:06:25.180 They've tried to place like hit pieces on me

00:06:27.160 and succeed in like, you know,

00:06:28.680 shitty places like the Daily Beast.

00:06:30.380 But every, and everything he says now is scripted.

00:06:32.940 You know, like every interview he does now,

00:06:34.460 at first it was like,

00:06:35.080 I did, what are you talking about?

00:06:36.120 This is outrageous.

00:06:37.200 And now every time he's in an interview,

00:06:38.760 he says, I look back on my coverage with humility.

00:06:42.360 You know, that phrase they feed you

00:06:43.820 to make it seem like you're accepting accountability

00:06:45.860 even though you're really not?

00:06:46.740 False humility is called, yes.

00:06:47.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:48.420 What's interesting though is to,

00:06:50.360 that it wasn't just, you know,

00:06:53.800 I disagree with you.

00:06:54.680 Biden seems fine to me.

00:06:56.740 What's interesting is that he used

00:06:58.240 the kind of most vulgar moral blackmail.

00:07:02.440 You can't, like you're attacking children who stutter.

00:07:04.160 You're attacking disabled kids

00:07:05.660 when you criticize the president of the United States.

00:07:07.980 Like that is so low.

00:07:10.080 It's hard to believe that happened.

00:07:11.080 I haven't seen the clip, but.

00:07:12.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:12.720 I mean, he claims he called Laura Trump to apologize.

00:07:15.920 Maybe he should do that on his show

00:07:17.000 since that's where he told his audience

00:07:19.100 she was attacking kids who stutter.

00:07:21.980 Like that's a pretty,

00:07:23.280 that's like one of the worst things

00:07:24.320 pretty much that you could do

00:07:25.380 is like bully kids with disabilities, right?

00:07:28.160 Like if my kids ever did that,

00:07:29.340 I would punish them for three months.

00:07:30.640 You know, so like accusing her of having done that,

00:07:34.140 like probably doesn't warrant a private apology

00:07:36.180 or maybe it does too,

00:07:37.080 but also, you know, you go on air

00:07:38.660 and you were like,

00:07:39.160 hey, I did something really despicable.

00:07:41.500 You know, what's so amazing too

00:07:42.620 is they're trying to rewrite history.

00:07:43.920 Obviously, one of the ways

00:07:44.700 they're trying to rewrite history

00:07:45.600 is to say we were the victims of the fraud.

00:07:48.680 We in the media were the victims of the fraud.

00:07:50.360 And we're so angry at this inner team

00:07:52.300 of Joe Biden's White House advisors

00:07:54.500 who kept this from us,

00:07:55.740 who hid this,

00:07:56.580 even though the entire public knew forever.

00:08:00.560 But I, you know,

00:08:02.060 I've written about this so many times

00:08:03.160 it drives me crazy

00:08:03.920 how easily history is rewritten.

00:08:05.940 The first time I ever heard concerns

00:08:08.620 about Joe Biden's cognitive decline

00:08:10.160 was back in 2018

00:08:12.140 when the Democratic field was coalescing

00:08:15.340 of, you know,

00:08:17.180 people who were going to run against Donald Trump.

00:08:19.720 And they were really worried

00:08:21.080 Joe Biden was going to get the nomination

00:08:22.520 solely by virtue of name recognition

00:08:24.240 because he was the vice president

00:08:25.660 to Barack Obama for eight years,

00:08:27.700 was viewed as loyal,

00:08:28.580 has been around forever.

00:08:30.040 And they all knew

00:08:31.040 there was no way

00:08:32.220 he could sustain the rigors of an election

00:08:33.680 because he was in cognitive decline.

00:08:35.680 And so it was like

00:08:36.340 these Democratic operatives,

00:08:37.800 like Andrea Mitchell talked about it,

00:08:39.380 Cory Booker and Julian Castro

00:08:40.780 in that 2019 debate

00:08:42.060 all made fun of Biden

00:08:44.200 for not being able to remember

00:08:45.360 what he had said three seconds ago.

00:08:47.180 This, it was the Democrats

00:08:48.820 who were raising it,

00:08:50.180 trying to alert everybody

00:08:51.480 that you shouldn't vote for Joe Biden

00:08:53.460 because he's not the same Joe Biden he was.

00:08:55.540 I'm not talking about 2023,

00:08:56.600 I'm talking about 2018 and 2019.

00:08:58.420 I remember.

00:08:58.920 The minute it was down to

00:09:01.700 Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders

00:09:03.540 in the 2020 primary,

00:09:05.500 that's when all of a sudden

00:09:06.980 the media narrative shifted

00:09:08.520 and it became

00:09:09.880 the only people

00:09:11.240 who are talking about

00:09:12.100 Biden's supposed

00:09:12.840 cognitive decline

00:09:13.880 are Bernie bros

00:09:14.920 and MAGA people

00:09:16.280 and it's absolutely immoral

00:09:17.680 and disgusting.

00:09:18.440 And that's when I wrote an article

00:09:19.300 saying,

00:09:19.800 what do you mean?

00:09:20.440 You were the ones

00:09:21.140 who first raised it.

00:09:22.200 I heard it from you,

00:09:24.160 you know,

00:09:24.420 those DC insiders.

00:09:26.860 So it's not,

00:09:27.740 and the only reason why,

00:09:28.980 you know,

00:09:29.380 what saved Joe Biden from that

00:09:31.080 was that COVID happened

00:09:32.840 and he got to run the campaign

00:09:34.440 from his basement

00:09:35.140 where he only talked

00:09:36.540 to like Nicole Wallace

00:09:37.500 who spoke to him

00:09:38.180 like some,

00:09:38.700 you know,

00:09:39.160 ailing grandpa.

00:09:40.380 You know,

00:09:40.900 that voice that you use

00:09:41.800 for like your ailing grandpa,

00:09:43.080 like Mr. President,

00:09:44.540 Mr. Biden,

00:09:45.880 hello.

00:09:46.360 Oh,

00:09:46.540 and then you do that fake laugh.

00:09:47.820 They get even close to a joke

00:09:49.300 because those were the kind

00:09:50.380 of interviews he was doing

00:09:51.380 and he was in that basement

00:09:52.600 in Delaware.

00:09:53.420 That's the only reason

00:09:54.380 why he could sustain

00:09:55.240 that campaign.

00:09:56.800 But it was so widely known.

00:09:58.820 I mean,

00:09:59.020 his sister Valerie

00:10:00.260 told a good friend of mine

00:10:02.140 that she didn't want him

00:10:03.000 to run in 2020

00:10:04.420 because he had dementia.

00:10:06.720 My former makeup artist,

00:10:08.300 a makeup artist,

00:10:09.160 was there in the room

00:10:11.180 when he was injected

00:10:11.940 with amphetamines

00:10:12.720 before an event

00:10:13.420 more than once

00:10:14.720 during that campaign.

00:10:16.820 And like I said all that

00:10:17.980 on TV

00:10:18.520 and everyone I knew

00:10:19.740 in D.C.

00:10:20.280 who knew Biden,

00:10:20.840 I knew Biden,

00:10:21.860 said,

00:10:22.140 yeah,

00:10:22.260 no,

00:10:22.460 he's got dementia.

00:10:23.360 Like every,

00:10:24.280 everybody knew.

00:10:25.640 Everybody knew.

00:10:26.520 It wasn't just like

00:10:27.300 some right-wing Twitter thing

00:10:28.780 where people were being cruel.

00:10:29.960 It was like the people

00:10:30.540 who knew Biden

00:10:31.240 knew that.

00:10:32.440 So like,

00:10:32.900 how could you not know that?

00:10:33.780 Well,

00:10:33.900 I think the reason

00:10:35.600 this media fraud

00:10:36.520 of all the other media frauds

00:10:37.780 that have been perpetrated

00:10:38.720 is probably the most damaging.

00:10:41.040 In 2016,

00:10:42.380 they pushed this whole

00:10:43.800 deranged,

00:10:45.020 demented conspiracy theory

00:10:47.200 that Vladimir Putin

00:10:48.160 had sex tapes

00:10:49.120 on Donald Trump

00:10:49.960 where he was being urinated on

00:10:51.220 by a prostitute.

00:10:52.100 And of course,

00:10:52.460 if you know Donald Trump,

00:10:53.580 that's pretty much

00:10:54.380 the last thing

00:10:55.060 that all the people

00:10:56.100 on the planet

00:10:56.660 It's one sin

00:10:57.320 he didn't commit.

00:10:58.120 Yeah, no, for sure.

00:10:58.480 Yeah, but,

00:10:58.820 but, you know,

00:10:59.360 it was that sort of thing.

00:11:00.760 Like they always accused

00:11:01.780 people on independent media

00:11:02.820 or, you know,

00:11:03.820 whoever of being

00:11:04.520 conspiracy theorists.

00:11:05.540 Like think about

00:11:06.220 that conspiracy.

00:11:07.140 Like Donald Trump

00:11:07.760 was being blackmailed

00:11:08.740 by the Russian government

00:11:09.540 into sacrificing

00:11:11.040 the interests

00:11:11.540 of the United States

00:11:12.260 to serve the interests

00:11:13.340 of the Kremlin.

00:11:13.820 And that really was

00:11:14.980 the predominant media narrative

00:11:16.100 from 2016 to 2018.

00:11:17.720 So that's what they did

00:11:18.660 to try and stop Trump

00:11:19.580 the first time.

00:11:20.760 In 2020,

00:11:21.920 you know,

00:11:22.220 weeks before the election,

00:11:23.720 the New York Post

00:11:24.260 had very serious reporting

00:11:25.900 about the Biden family

00:11:27.000 unethically exploiting

00:11:28.620 Joe Biden's influence

00:11:29.520 in Ukraine and China

00:11:30.400 to profit

00:11:31.000 not for themselves only,

00:11:32.220 but also for Joe Biden.

00:11:33.520 And we were told

00:11:34.200 by the media

00:11:34.720 over and over the lie

00:11:35.600 that this is Russian disinformation,

00:11:37.400 that this laptop should be,

00:11:39.100 the contents of it

00:11:39.820 should be ignored

00:11:40.220 because it's inauthentic.

00:11:41.500 That, of course,

00:11:42.040 was when I left the intercept

00:11:42.860 because they wouldn't let me

00:11:43.500 write about it,

00:11:43.980 claiming that there were doubts

00:11:44.820 about its authenticity

00:11:45.540 when I knew there weren't.

00:11:46.840 But that was,

00:11:47.780 and then Twitter

00:11:48.380 and Facebook censored it.

00:11:49.600 But on those kind of questions

00:11:50.960 like Reshigate,

00:11:51.980 the authenticity of these emails,

00:11:54.380 like for most Americans,

00:11:55.200 they don't have the competence

00:11:56.820 to judge that

00:11:57.460 because they do other things.

00:11:58.700 But when it comes to

00:12:00.060 seeing older people

00:12:02.360 in cognitive decline,

00:12:03.500 most of them have had

00:12:04.480 that experience

00:12:05.160 with like a grandparent

00:12:06.320 or a parent

00:12:07.020 or a sibling

00:12:07.720 or a neighbor

00:12:08.380 or whatever

00:12:09.140 and don't need

00:12:11.140 to be told

00:12:12.260 by quote-unquote experts

00:12:13.440 that it's happening

00:12:14.160 because they can see it

00:12:15.220 with their own eyes.

00:12:17.200 And for the media

00:12:18.500 to have sat there

00:12:19.480 for a year and a half

00:12:20.840 and told everybody,

00:12:22.300 as Joe Scarborough said,

00:12:23.560 this version of Joe Biden

00:12:24.800 is the best Biden

00:12:25.880 we've ever seen.

00:12:26.880 I mean,

00:12:27.060 imagine being such

00:12:28.160 a state propagandist

00:12:29.200 that you do that

00:12:29.980 and then keep your job.

00:12:31.740 I think that's why

00:12:32.680 this scandal

00:12:33.140 is so devastating to them

00:12:34.280 and why like

00:12:34.840 when Jake Tapper

00:12:35.620 stands up to write a book

00:12:36.600 saying,

00:12:36.820 I've uncovered the truth

00:12:38.100 with investigative reporting,

00:12:39.900 you know,

00:12:40.200 everybody is reacting

00:12:41.060 with justifiable nausea.

00:12:43.580 You've got to admit

00:12:44.340 it takes some balls

00:12:45.060 to do that though.

00:12:46.540 I mean,

00:12:46.800 I famously advocated

00:12:48.060 for the Iraq War,

00:12:49.160 realized in 2003

00:12:51.100 that it was a bad idea

00:12:52.440 and said I was wrong.

00:12:54.640 What I didn't do

00:12:55.620 was write a book

00:12:56.520 saying like

00:12:57.800 it was wrong

00:12:58.540 and I always thought

00:12:59.140 it was wrong.

00:12:59.940 Or like,

00:13:00.920 hey,

00:13:01.100 I'm here to write a book

00:13:01.940 saying why the Iraq War

00:13:02.980 was based on falsehoods.

00:13:04.220 It's like,

00:13:04.520 we already know, Tucker.

00:13:05.780 Thank you.

00:13:06.680 Right?

00:13:07.000 Like you didn't go

00:13:07.540 and write that book

00:13:08.220 because you were the one

00:13:09.020 helping to perpetuate that.

00:13:10.540 I totally agree.

00:13:12.000 So I guess

00:13:13.200 without repentance,

00:13:15.340 without the acknowledgement

00:13:16.220 of wrongdoing,

00:13:17.860 of dishonesty,

00:13:18.540 without saying

00:13:19.040 I screwed up

00:13:20.240 and making that the headline,

00:13:21.380 nothing that follows

00:13:22.120 is credible at all.

00:13:23.300 It's like all fake

00:13:24.000 unless you admit

00:13:24.780 your role in the lie.

00:13:27.260 Right.

00:13:27.600 Which,

00:13:28.440 and if that happened,

00:13:29.780 if you said like,

00:13:30.420 look,

00:13:30.560 I was really swept up

00:13:31.600 in the media bubble

00:13:32.420 I was in

00:13:33.060 and I want to tell

00:13:33.960 the story of why

00:13:34.760 I did this

00:13:35.320 or how I got,

00:13:36.100 I convinced myself

00:13:37.000 of this lie,

00:13:38.340 then there would be

00:13:39.360 some nobility to it.

00:13:40.460 There would be some value

00:13:41.240 in work.

00:13:41.840 Yes.

00:13:42.220 But this is what I mean.

00:13:43.600 Like, you know,

00:13:44.200 I was,

00:13:44.700 there were several people,

00:13:45.740 but myself was included,

00:13:47.940 who was,

00:13:48.280 I was bashing the table

00:13:49.200 every day.

00:13:49.700 You know,

00:13:49.840 we were compiling tapes

00:13:50.800 of Jake Tapper

00:13:51.300 doing all the things

00:13:51.980 that I had just referenced.

00:13:53.740 And I remember at the time

00:13:54.620 Jake Tapper

00:13:55.100 always serving

00:13:56.020 the Democratic Party

00:13:57.000 in these ways.

00:13:58.340 And his initial response

00:14:00.700 was to send out

00:14:02.180 like publicists

00:14:03.440 to try and,

00:14:04.080 you know,

00:14:04.520 plant stories

00:14:05.140 that I was lying,

00:14:05.980 that I was manipulating media.

00:14:07.180 There was one in the Daily Beast,

00:14:08.020 one in the Huffington Post.

00:14:08.840 Wait,

00:14:09.020 actually attacking you?

00:14:10.380 Oh yeah,

00:14:10.700 they were pitching stories

00:14:12.020 like,

00:14:12.540 yeah,

00:14:12.740 and there's,

00:14:13.240 you know,

00:14:13.500 they were in like

00:14:14.520 shitty liberal sites

00:14:15.920 that no one,

00:14:16.400 like Huffington Post

00:14:17.000 and the Daily Beast.

00:14:18.160 There was a couple others.

00:14:20.720 But they had pitched them

00:14:21.660 like to the New York Post

00:14:22.600 into the Wall Street Journal

00:14:23.400 I think as well.

00:14:24.360 Like New York Post

00:14:24.800 got in contact with me.

00:14:25.920 They didn't run it

00:14:26.900 because it was

00:14:27.580 so easy to prove that.

00:14:29.360 What was the allegation?

00:14:30.820 That all of these incidents

00:14:32.840 that I just described

00:14:33.860 and there were others as well

00:14:35.220 of things he did on his show

00:14:36.540 were like

00:14:37.000 taken out of context

00:14:38.700 or the video was manipulated

00:14:40.180 just like they did

00:14:41.160 when people saw

00:14:42.220 Joe Biden

00:14:43.120 wandering around

00:14:43.980 on that D-Day

00:14:44.820 and had to be,

00:14:45.500 you know,

00:14:45.980 redirected by Georgia Maloney

00:14:47.420 or having been

00:14:48.660 taken off the stage

00:14:49.480 by this.

00:14:50.200 That's the other thing.

00:14:51.420 They didn't just deny it.

00:14:53.220 They attacked anyone

00:14:54.300 who said it.

00:14:55.340 People in 2024

00:14:56.220 who were saying,

00:14:56.900 oh, look,

00:14:57.200 Biden clearly doesn't

00:14:57.980 know where he is

00:14:58.560 including at that event

00:14:59.340 with Obama,

00:14:59.860 that big George Clooney

00:15:00.520 fundraiser.

00:15:01.840 The Washington Post

00:15:02.400 wrote an article saying

00:15:03.340 they were using,

00:15:04.740 it was a new phrase,

00:15:05.720 cheap fakes.

00:15:06.860 Like they weren't

00:15:07.360 exactly fake

00:15:08.360 but the narrative

00:15:10.120 was fake.

00:15:11.500 And anyone who said

00:15:12.840 Joe Biden clearly

00:15:13.640 is in cognitive decline

00:15:14.400 if you look at him

00:15:14.980 at these events

00:15:15.460 they were called

00:15:15.980 right-wing

00:15:16.880 disinformation agents.

00:15:18.860 And as it turns out,

00:15:21.300 George Clooney

00:15:21.920 ended up saying

00:15:22.680 the reason why

00:15:24.260 I wanted Biden

00:15:24.860 not to run

00:15:25.340 was because

00:15:25.740 the Joe Biden

00:15:26.300 I saw at that event

00:15:27.120 was completely

00:15:27.680 unrecognizable.

00:15:28.580 He was like a,

00:15:29.480 he has dementia.

00:15:32.040 And at the time

00:15:33.720 when people were saying

00:15:34.960 like clearly

00:15:35.380 he doesn't know

00:15:35.800 where he is

00:15:36.100 being let off the stage

00:15:36.900 by Barack Obama,

00:15:39.020 none of this was new.

00:15:40.240 This is what we had

00:15:41.200 been seeing for so long.

00:15:42.640 The media

00:15:43.260 affirmatively used

00:15:45.140 that disinformation term

00:15:46.400 that has become

00:15:46.960 their weapon

00:15:47.380 of deception

00:15:47.960 and propaganda

00:15:49.220 and smearing people

00:15:50.960 who tell the truth

00:15:51.820 to label

00:15:52.920 all of that disinformation.

00:15:56.580 And so

00:15:57.100 they were the ones

00:15:58.280 who perpetrated

00:15:59.120 the fraud

00:15:59.760 and now they're

00:16:01.480 pretending like

00:16:02.020 they're the ones

00:16:02.520 uncovering it.

00:16:03.500 It is,

00:16:03.920 I think the reason

00:16:04.740 they don't get it

00:16:05.540 is because of that

00:16:06.440 insulated bubble

00:16:07.360 that they exist in.

00:16:08.560 They all do believe

00:16:10.140 that they're truthful,

00:16:11.620 they're good,

00:16:12.280 they're benevolent,

00:16:13.040 they're non-partisan

00:16:13.800 and that unfortunately

00:16:15.640 there was no way

00:16:16.960 for them to have

00:16:17.560 told the story

00:16:18.180 because Mike Donilon

00:16:19.600 was lying about it

00:16:20.700 or Jill Biden

00:16:21.680 was keeping the truth

00:16:22.600 from them.

00:16:23.240 And so what can they do?

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00:16:36.760 about that,

00:16:37.660 knowing the person

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00:16:40.100 and at some point

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00:16:41.460 knew the people

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00:16:43.800 So they could trust

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00:18:19.060 to our military.

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00:18:22.760 We're dependent

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00:18:24.120 state-owned enterprises.

00:18:25.600 Now,

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00:18:27.640 to manufacture

00:18:28.320 their centrifuges overseas.

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00:18:46.580 I think that

00:18:47.740 kind of self-deception

00:18:49.400 is a byproduct

00:18:50.760 of the tribalism

00:18:51.740 that really defines DC

00:18:54.020 and it's like

00:18:54.720 we can't help

00:18:55.640 the other side.

00:18:56.380 Like,

00:18:56.560 we're going to start with

00:18:57.560 the other side is evil

00:18:58.500 and anything that helps them

00:19:00.120 we can't do.

00:19:01.200 Therefore,

00:19:01.480 we're going to have to make

00:19:02.080 some accommodations

00:19:02.700 that may include lying,

00:19:03.740 but it's not really lying.

00:19:04.600 It's in the service

00:19:05.060 of a greater good.

00:19:06.300 Oh, yeah,

00:19:06.480 which is what

00:19:07.060 every person

00:19:08.020 who has ever done

00:19:08.660 anything evil

00:19:09.240 has said

00:19:10.080 to justify it.

00:19:12.140 I'm not an evil person.

00:19:13.400 I'm not a sociopath.

00:19:14.440 I'm doing something

00:19:15.040 that seems evil,

00:19:15.860 but it's for a greater cause.

00:19:17.500 The end is justify the means.

00:19:18.580 I mean,

00:19:18.700 that's the most basic,

00:19:19.680 basically amoral statement

00:19:21.080 you can have

00:19:21.740 and that's

00:19:22.120 since the emergence of Trump,

00:19:23.460 that is all

00:19:24.700 that journalism has become.

00:19:26.200 Not just journalism,

00:19:26.980 but so many academia,

00:19:28.980 so many different institutions

00:19:30.120 have renounced

00:19:30.960 their core function,

00:19:31.820 whatever that might be,

00:19:32.660 science,

00:19:33.180 in order to

00:19:35.140 devote themselves

00:19:37.140 to this monomaniacal mission

00:19:38.800 of stopping Donald Trump

00:19:40.520 and his movement.

00:19:41.360 That's right.

00:19:41.760 And, you know,

00:19:42.040 Sam Harris,

00:19:43.240 just whether through stupidity

00:19:45.920 or just like

00:19:46.680 in like

00:19:48.300 inadvisable candor,

00:19:50.020 you know,

00:19:50.240 was the first one

00:19:50.840 who came out

00:19:51.280 when the Hunter Biden

00:19:51.960 laptop stuff

00:19:52.620 after he realized

00:19:53.300 it was a lie

00:19:53.840 and said like,

00:19:54.460 yeah,

00:19:54.760 I guess this laptop

00:19:56.600 was true,

00:19:57.660 but at the end of the day,

00:19:58.660 I really don't care

00:19:59.520 if they have to lie about it.

00:20:00.520 Fine.

00:20:00.860 The evil of electing Donald Trump

00:20:02.800 is so much greater

00:20:03.520 and he was the first one

00:20:04.400 to really candidly

00:20:05.520 acknowledge

00:20:06.340 what they are all thinking,

00:20:07.980 which is,

00:20:08.740 we'll lie,

00:20:09.780 we'll spread disinformation,

00:20:11.700 we'll, you know,

00:20:12.800 hide things

00:20:13.700 because the destruction

00:20:15.820 and fear that we have

00:20:17.160 of Donald Trump

00:20:18.160 in power

00:20:18.820 is so great

00:20:20.420 that anything we do

00:20:22.120 to try and impede it

00:20:23.000 is not just justifiable,

00:20:24.180 but almost like

00:20:24.740 morally imperative.

00:20:25.540 That is how

00:20:26.500 most of these institutions

00:20:27.880 ended up reasoning

00:20:29.200 and that's why

00:20:29.860 they've lost their credibility.

00:20:30.540 We're all Dietrich Bonhoeffer

00:20:31.740 at this point.

00:20:32.560 Yeah,

00:20:32.740 it's very self-glorifying too,

00:20:34.060 like we're on the front line

00:20:34.960 of fighting fascism.

00:20:37.080 What,

00:20:37.600 I mean,

00:20:37.880 this is such a tired question,

00:20:39.220 but I've never really gotten

00:20:40.040 an answer that satisfies me.

00:20:41.440 What is,

00:20:42.680 I mean,

00:20:42.840 I look at Trump

00:20:43.520 and I'm like,

00:20:44.340 you know,

00:20:45.240 this is not a radical person

00:20:47.280 in most ways.

00:20:49.540 Why,

00:20:50.200 and a lot of the things

00:20:51.100 that he says

00:20:51.980 are things that the Democratic Party

00:20:53.340 was like officially for

00:20:54.400 10 years ago.

00:20:56.840 You know,

00:20:57.400 less wars,

00:20:58.200 pay attention

00:20:59.020 to the forgotten man.

00:21:00.340 Free trade is kind of bad.

00:21:01.600 Right,

00:21:01.940 exactly,

00:21:02.440 right.

00:21:02.820 I mean,

00:21:03.100 these are not,

00:21:04.200 he is not a radical right-winger

00:21:05.860 as I would have conceived

00:21:06.880 of a radical right-winger

00:21:07.780 in 1998

00:21:08.580 or 2018.

00:21:11.320 So,

00:21:12.180 why,

00:21:13.220 but

00:21:13.680 the Hive

00:21:14.900 like reacted to him

00:21:16.440 like the devil does holy water,

00:21:18.120 just like,

00:21:18.680 I can't be near you.

00:21:20.360 What,

00:21:20.760 what is that?

00:21:21.760 I still don't fully understand it.

00:21:23.940 I think it's

00:21:24.820 two things.

00:21:26.040 one

00:21:27.860 less important,

00:21:29.560 though still not trivial,

00:21:31.000 which is comportmentally,

00:21:32.480 he's just such a radical departure

00:21:33.960 from the way anybody

00:21:34.920 who has ever gotten close

00:21:35.940 to the presidency

00:21:36.600 has conducted themselves.

00:21:38.360 And I remember so well

00:21:39.320 the time I realized.

00:21:40.040 That's fair.

00:21:40.680 Yeah,

00:21:41.000 it's true.

00:21:41.840 But like,

00:21:43.160 but once you understand

00:21:44.080 what that is,

00:21:46.260 you can put it

00:21:47.620 in your proper,

00:21:48.320 in the proper context

00:21:49.200 and not

00:21:49.680 go insane about it.

00:21:51.140 I remember the time

00:21:51.900 that I realized

00:21:52.680 just how far

00:21:53.380 gone the media was

00:21:54.620 when it came to this

00:21:55.620 and like the political

00:21:57.000 establishment generally,

00:21:58.260 which was during

00:21:58.700 the 2016 campaign

00:21:59.920 when they kept asking

00:22:01.220 about like collusion

00:22:02.020 with Russia

00:22:02.540 and collusion with Russia

00:22:03.500 and all that.

00:22:04.480 And he said,

00:22:05.720 I don't know anything about that.

00:22:07.500 I have nothing to do

00:22:07.860 with the Russians,

00:22:08.400 but hey,

00:22:09.120 Russians,

00:22:09.740 if you're listening,

00:22:10.700 they were asking him,

00:22:11.260 did you participate

00:22:11.960 in the hacking?

00:22:13.060 And he was like,

00:22:13.660 I didn't have anything

00:22:14.540 to do with that,

00:22:15.080 but hey,

00:22:15.460 like Russia,

00:22:16.040 if you're listening,

00:22:16.640 maybe you could find

00:22:17.280 Hillary Clinton's

00:22:18.080 like 87,000 deleted emails,

00:22:20.460 which was obviously

00:22:22.300 like a joke,

00:22:23.140 just a joke.

00:22:24.900 I have nothing

00:22:25.380 to do with Russia,

00:22:25.860 but if they're

00:22:26.400 such great hackers,

00:22:27.180 maybe they can find.

00:22:28.040 The media took that

00:22:28.940 and they,

00:22:29.660 for over a year,

00:22:30.780 earnestly pretended

00:22:32.480 that this was proof

00:22:34.940 that he was in cahoots

00:22:36.600 with Russia

00:22:37.060 because he submits

00:22:38.020 hacking requests

00:22:38.920 to Russia.

00:22:40.260 Like if you have

00:22:41.380 some like back channel

00:22:42.440 secret relationship

00:22:44.300 with Russia,

00:22:44.980 the way you're going

00:22:45.480 to like submit

00:22:46.020 your requests

00:22:46.540 is by standing

00:22:47.120 in front of 130 cameras

00:22:48.680 and be like,

00:22:49.940 hey Putin,

00:22:50.560 this is my latest

00:22:51.280 hacking request.

00:22:52.100 Go find those emails.

00:22:53.400 Instead of like me having

00:22:54.480 a, you know,

00:22:55.300 Don Jr.

00:22:55.820 meet in a parking lot

00:22:56.660 with some like

00:22:57.340 Russian agent

00:22:58.260 or whatever.

00:22:58.820 I mean,

00:22:59.080 but the fact that

00:22:59.980 they were willing to,

00:23:01.940 they really thought

00:23:02.700 that that was

00:23:03.260 a smoking gun

00:23:04.260 and could not understand

00:23:06.800 how Trump jokes,

00:23:08.700 how he uses irony,

00:23:10.000 how he like purposely trolls

00:23:11.560 was,

00:23:13.620 you know,

00:23:14.600 the time that I realized

00:23:15.460 just how far gone they were.

00:23:17.060 But I think the bigger reason

00:23:18.120 why they were,

00:23:19.340 I think we've talked

00:23:19.840 about this before

00:23:20.460 is I would say

00:23:23.000 since the end

00:23:23.860 of World War II,

00:23:25.360 maybe before that,

00:23:26.580 but certainly since

00:23:27.220 the end of World War II,

00:23:28.480 what we have more or less

00:23:30.020 is a continuity

00:23:31.480 of core Washington dogma

00:23:34.360 on foreign

00:23:34.860 and economic policy.

00:23:36.480 You have,

00:23:37.140 you know,

00:23:37.460 on the margins,

00:23:38.400 things that make it appear

00:23:39.420 like the parties

00:23:40.140 are so different.

00:23:41.040 They fight about abortion.

00:23:41.840 They do disagree on abortion

00:23:42.900 or culture war issues,

00:23:44.500 all of that.

00:23:44.960 But on the question

00:23:46.680 of how power is distributed

00:23:47.860 on how the U.S.

00:23:48.680 maintains global hegemony,

00:23:50.960 on feeding the war machine,

00:23:52.980 on how our economic system

00:23:56.180 functions

00:23:56.940 and who it serves,

00:23:58.560 there is complete continuity

00:24:00.300 between Republicans

00:24:01.340 and Democrats.

00:24:01.940 Like those permanent

00:24:02.620 power factions in Washington,

00:24:03.880 the corporatism,

00:24:04.640 militarism,

00:24:05.180 don't care at all

00:24:05.960 who wins

00:24:06.500 because their policies

00:24:08.980 prevail no matter what.

00:24:10.600 You can vote

00:24:10.920 for whoever you want.

00:24:11.560 You can vote against it.

00:24:12.220 You can vote for it.

00:24:12.700 It doesn't matter.

00:24:13.380 It continues.

00:24:14.760 Trump,

00:24:15.240 by necessity,

00:24:16.460 because the Republicans

00:24:17.360 had already chosen

00:24:18.000 Jeb Bush

00:24:18.660 as their candidate,

00:24:19.960 we all expected

00:24:20.420 it was going to be

00:24:20.960 another Bush-Clinton race.

00:24:23.340 It was going to be

00:24:23.740 Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

00:24:24.660 That was the assumption

00:24:25.480 that everyone had.

00:24:29.460 Hillary would have lost

00:24:30.360 had the DNC not cheated for her,

00:24:31.700 but they did cheat for her,

00:24:32.660 so she was the nominee.

00:24:33.940 But the only way

00:24:34.620 Trump could break through,

00:24:35.500 how do you break through

00:24:36.040 against all the Republican money

00:24:37.000 behind Jeb Bush?

00:24:37.680 You have to run

00:24:38.220 against the Bush family.

00:24:39.100 You have to run

00:24:39.580 against conservative

00:24:40.760 Republican dogma

00:24:42.160 on both economic

00:24:43.820 and foreign policy.

00:24:45.060 He ran against the Iraq War.

00:24:46.300 He ran against permanent war.

00:24:47.440 He ran against serving corporatism

00:24:49.700 at the expense of the working people,

00:24:51.520 against free trade,

00:24:52.680 at the expense of,

00:24:53.640 you know,

00:24:54.560 like having an industrial base.

00:24:56.940 And he became a kind of threat.

00:25:00.340 And Steve Bannon was the architect

00:25:01.400 at the time.

00:25:02.060 And Steve Bannon's vision

00:25:02.920 very much was that,

00:25:04.100 like,

00:25:04.560 the Republican establishment

00:25:05.340 is at least as bad

00:25:06.320 as the Democratic establishment.

00:25:07.300 And he was a threat

00:25:09.240 to disrupt this bipartisan continuity

00:25:11.940 on which power factions

00:25:13.560 in Washington depend.

00:25:14.660 And I think that's what made him

00:25:16.000 so anathema

00:25:17.000 to so many different factions.

00:25:20.760 He was a challenge

00:25:22.840 to the post-war order,

00:25:24.860 basically.

00:25:25.460 Like,

00:25:25.780 questioning the viability of NATO?

00:25:27.860 I know.

00:25:29.100 Which,

00:25:29.760 it's like walking into a church

00:25:30.820 and saying,

00:25:31.280 like,

00:25:31.480 we sure Jesus is divine?

00:25:33.540 You know,

00:25:34.180 like,

00:25:34.740 that alone.

00:25:36.440 That actually changed my life

00:25:37.940 when he said that.

00:25:38.680 I grew up around NATO,

00:25:40.120 grew up supporting NATO

00:25:41.380 unthinkingly,

00:25:42.740 never thought about NATO.

00:25:43.520 NATO's the good guys.

00:25:44.400 NATO keeps the same.

00:25:45.060 100%.

00:25:45.240 NATO keeps the Soviets

00:25:47.060 from rolling into Belgium,

00:25:48.480 you know,

00:25:48.820 and like,

00:25:49.140 that's good.

00:25:49.680 Why is that bad?

00:25:50.560 Of course,

00:25:50.800 we love NATO.

00:25:51.840 And then he was like,

00:25:52.460 hey,

00:25:52.660 but like,

00:25:52.980 the Soviet Union

00:25:53.680 doesn't exist anymore.

00:25:55.640 No one had ever,

00:25:56.980 in a lifetime in D.C.,

00:25:58.460 no one had ever mentioned NATO

00:25:59.800 in a way that challenged me

00:26:01.160 to think about what it was

00:26:02.060 or its role

00:26:02.540 until that.

00:26:03.860 And he just said it offhandedly.

00:26:05.560 And I was like,

00:26:06.740 NATO?

00:26:07.220 Really?

00:26:07.900 He's against NATO?

00:26:08.800 How could you be against NATO?

00:26:09.660 And that began a chain of thinking

00:26:12.020 that totally changed

00:26:13.520 my view of everything.

00:26:14.460 So,

00:26:15.340 I think you're right.

00:26:16.760 It's dangerous to have people

00:26:17.720 saying stuff like that.

00:26:19.060 I mean,

00:26:19.420 what you want is

00:26:21.220 continuity with the status quo.

00:26:23.560 Yes.

00:26:23.720 And like,

00:26:24.140 who was a more reliable

00:26:27.320 maven of the status quo

00:26:28.740 than Hillary Clinton?

00:26:29.760 Yes.

00:26:30.140 Or Joe Biden?

00:26:31.400 And so,

00:26:32.300 that's why they were

00:26:33.380 so desperate.

00:26:34.680 Including all,

00:26:35.340 you know,

00:26:35.600 all the neocons

00:26:37.080 and conservatives

00:26:38.040 that you knew,

00:26:39.760 so many of them

00:26:40.380 openly supported

00:26:41.280 Clinton and Biden

00:26:42.120 and many of them,

00:26:43.100 like,

00:26:43.240 to this day,

00:26:43.740 like,

00:26:43.960 half the Republican Senate caucus

00:26:45.380 at least hates Trump,

00:26:46.840 hates his ideology,

00:26:47.840 hates his policy.

00:26:48.980 Oh, yeah.

00:26:50.160 You really think

00:26:50.840 Mike Rounds voted for Trump?

00:26:52.060 I don't think so.

00:26:52.920 I don't know,

00:26:53.800 but I'm just saying,

00:26:54.560 like,

00:26:54.700 these guys.

00:26:55.300 Those types.

00:26:56.520 So,

00:26:56.860 can I just go back?

00:26:57.500 I want to ask you

00:26:58.240 more about that

00:26:58.960 and,

00:26:59.160 like,

00:26:59.220 the place of

00:26:59.840 neoconservatives.

00:27:01.320 And I guess we're not

00:27:02.000 even to use that term,

00:27:03.100 so think of a new term

00:27:03.920 as I ask the question.

00:27:04.320 All right,

00:27:04.560 I will.

00:27:05.960 But before we get to that,

00:27:06.940 like,

00:27:07.200 you mentioned Russiagate

00:27:08.400 a couple of times

00:27:09.280 and the hacking

00:27:10.100 and the subsequent leaking

00:27:11.500 of those emails

00:27:12.120 from the DNC.

00:27:14.960 Who did that?

00:27:18.780 It's possible,

00:27:21.060 of course,

00:27:21.820 that the Russians did it.

00:27:22.680 Like,

00:27:22.960 sometimes you get

00:27:23.800 the official story

00:27:24.640 and it's possible.

00:27:28.800 You know,

00:27:29.440 I know Julian Assange

00:27:30.320 a long time.

00:27:31.020 I know him very well.

00:27:33.260 What a good man.

00:27:35.120 Oh,

00:27:35.400 he's,

00:27:35.920 I think he's,

00:27:36.500 like,

00:27:36.540 one of the heroes

00:27:37.220 of our lifetime.

00:27:37.860 I totally agree.

00:27:38.640 And not just a hero,

00:27:39.640 but,

00:27:39.800 like,

00:27:40.080 incredibly consequential.

00:27:41.460 And just a decent person,

00:27:42.980 too.

00:27:43.260 And,

00:27:43.500 like,

00:27:43.900 brilliant and courageous.

00:27:45.440 I agree.

00:27:45.820 Not without his personality flaws,

00:27:47.360 but oftentimes

00:27:48.180 that kind of courage.

00:27:49.460 Like,

00:27:49.780 whenever people used to complain

00:27:50.720 about Julian's

00:27:51.300 difficult personality,

00:27:52.120 let's use the generous term

00:27:53.280 difficult personality,

00:27:54.460 I would always say,

00:27:56.240 like,

00:27:56.440 who do you think

00:27:57.100 is going to go

00:27:57.640 and,

00:27:57.820 like,

00:27:58.260 spill the secrets

00:27:59.580 of the world's

00:28:00.120 most powerful government?

00:28:00.940 You think it's going to be

00:28:01.460 some,

00:28:01.720 like,

00:28:01.880 mild-mannered,

00:28:02.900 like,

00:28:03.400 gentle,

00:28:04.520 congenial person?

00:28:05.960 No,

00:28:06.200 it takes a certain

00:28:06.900 personality type.

00:28:07.800 Yes,

00:28:08.020 yes.

00:28:09.120 And,

00:28:09.540 but in any event,

00:28:11.140 he had insinuated

00:28:13.260 several times

00:28:13.980 that it came from

00:28:14.620 within the DNC.

00:28:15.500 He had raised the possibility

00:28:16.380 that Seth Rich was murdered

00:28:17.460 because he was the leaker.

00:28:19.460 It was Julian,

00:28:23.020 it was WikiLeaks

00:28:23.480 who ran those docs.

00:28:25.560 It was WikiLeaks

00:28:26.520 who received them.

00:28:27.680 Yeah,

00:28:27.920 but who shared them

00:28:29.100 with the world.

00:28:29.840 Who then published them all,

00:28:30.980 exactly.

00:28:31.620 So it's not a small thing

00:28:32.660 when the guy who runs

00:28:33.420 WikiLeaks suggests something.

00:28:34.580 Correct.

00:28:35.340 That said,

00:28:36.560 if you are the recipient

00:28:38.900 of leaks,

00:28:39.560 as I've been many times,

00:28:41.100 you don't actually know

00:28:42.000 who the kind of,

00:28:43.280 you're not sure

00:28:44.160 if the person

00:28:44.840 bringing you the leaks

00:28:45.820 is the person

00:28:46.540 who actually engineered it,

00:28:47.700 that could be a cut between,

00:28:49.280 you know,

00:28:49.480 a go between.

00:28:51.360 And,

00:28:51.800 but at the same time,

00:28:54.440 you know,

00:28:55.000 Julian is extremely smart.

00:28:56.460 You know,

00:28:56.540 I talked to him this day.

00:28:57.600 He's,

00:28:58.300 I think,

00:28:59.200 not fully recovered.

00:29:00.160 He'll never be,

00:29:00.780 I mean,

00:29:01.000 after what he went through,

00:29:01.800 but his brain is,

00:29:03.280 you know,

00:29:03.620 just like a font of insight.

00:29:07.520 And,

00:29:07.960 I trust his judgment so much.

00:29:10.920 You can go back

00:29:11.460 and look at stuff he said,

00:29:12.680 and it proved to be so prescient.

00:29:14.540 I know.

00:29:14.700 And so,

00:29:16.800 when he says that,

00:29:18.000 I do think Julian

00:29:18.980 sees himself,

00:29:20.040 for good reason,

00:29:20.980 as an enemy

00:29:21.620 of the intelligence agencies

00:29:22.780 in the West.

00:29:23.540 I mean,

00:29:24.320 he is that.

00:29:25.540 So,

00:29:25.860 undoubtedly.

00:29:26.580 We did like seven and a half years

00:29:27.800 in confinement because of it.

00:29:29.180 Yeah,

00:29:29.500 like eight years

00:29:30.720 in the Ecuadorian embassy

00:29:31.480 and then four and a half years

00:29:32.460 in the prison

00:29:32.960 that the BBC calls

00:29:34.080 the British Guantanamo.

00:29:36.680 Mike Pompeo,

00:29:37.440 the head of CIA,

00:29:38.680 plotted his assassination.

00:29:40.160 So,

00:29:40.280 I think it's...

00:29:40.680 Plotted his assassination,

00:29:41.640 badgered the Ecuadorians

00:29:42.660 into lifting the asylum

00:29:44.020 they had given him

00:29:44.720 and promised him

00:29:45.420 and allowed the London police

00:29:46.980 to go in and,

00:29:47.720 you know,

00:29:48.460 coerced,

00:29:49.800 threatened,

00:29:50.880 bribed the Ecuadorians

00:29:52.120 to lift that grant of asylum

00:29:54.200 so that they could then go in.

00:29:55.980 Mike Pompeo,

00:29:56.760 in his like,

00:29:57.700 first month,

00:29:58.440 as CIA director,

00:29:59.280 gave a speech saying,

00:30:00.620 we're going to destroy WikiLeaks.

00:30:01.900 It's time that they stop

00:30:03.160 hiding behind the First Amendment.

00:30:05.180 So,

00:30:05.960 he was very serious about that.

00:30:08.060 Mike Pompeo should be charged

00:30:09.420 with plotting someone's assassination.

00:30:11.940 That's a crime.

00:30:12.480 You can't do that

00:30:13.180 in the United States.

00:30:14.180 I mean,

00:30:14.480 there's so many things

00:30:15.200 Mike Pompeo should be charged with,

00:30:16.440 but we know for certain

00:30:17.260 that he was wanting...

00:30:18.560 I mean,

00:30:18.720 he was the CIA director thinking,

00:30:20.440 oh,

00:30:20.780 now I get to murder people

00:30:22.460 who I want.

00:30:23.560 Yeah,

00:30:23.760 who embarrassed me,

00:30:24.440 who've never been charged...

00:30:25.060 Not who committed crimes.

00:30:26.200 He'd never been charged

00:30:27.040 with a crime in the United States

00:30:27.940 when that...

00:30:28.380 Until,

00:30:29.500 like,

00:30:29.900 until 2018,

00:30:30.900 when they engineered this,

00:30:33.720 you know,

00:30:34.780 obscenely

00:30:35.620 faceless indictment

00:30:37.380 that they knew...

00:30:38.000 They never wanted to bring him

00:30:39.000 to the United States

00:30:39.660 to stand trial.

00:30:40.640 He would never have been convicted.

00:30:43.360 They wanted to break him

00:30:45.280 psychologically and physically,

00:30:47.100 and they came very close

00:30:48.180 to doing that.

00:30:50.340 But in any event,

00:30:51.360 so when Julian Assange

00:30:52.180 says something like that,

00:30:53.060 part of me knows

00:30:53.700 that he views himself

00:30:55.220 as an enemy

00:30:55.740 of the intelligence agencies

00:30:56.960 and wants to use

00:30:57.660 the same methods they use,

00:30:58.820 which is sometimes

00:31:00.140 you spread disinformation

00:31:01.040 for confusion.

00:31:02.460 But I also believe

00:31:04.020 that he believes

00:31:04.820 there's something to it.

00:31:06.160 And so we never had

00:31:08.620 a real investigation

00:31:09.620 into anything

00:31:11.260 relating to Russiagate

00:31:12.740 at all

00:31:13.800 because in the first term,

00:31:15.560 Trump was,

00:31:16.720 you know,

00:31:16.920 that whole administration

00:31:17.560 was commandeered.

00:31:19.140 It was run by people

00:31:20.620 who were opposed

00:31:22.100 to Trump's agenda

00:31:24.460 for the most part.

00:31:26.520 And part of this new administration

00:31:28.640 is constructed

00:31:29.780 to avoid that from happening.

00:31:31.220 And I think they are now

00:31:32.460 going back

00:31:33.260 and looking at

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00:35:28.980 I don't like to,

00:35:29.900 I'm open to it.

00:35:31.340 I'm definitely open to it,

00:35:32.940 but I'm not going to affirm it.

00:35:34.600 I think it's very strange.

00:35:36.500 I got from an MPD,

00:35:37.820 Metropolitan Police Department

00:35:38.520 officer,

00:35:39.140 who was a friend of mine,

00:35:40.460 the fact,

00:35:41.280 which I checked,

00:35:41.880 which is that the FBI

00:35:42.740 immediately took over

00:35:43.420 the murder investigation.

00:35:44.680 Now,

00:35:44.780 why would the FBI

00:35:45.580 of a routine,

00:35:46.880 supposedly routine,

00:35:47.940 random,

00:35:48.500 attempted robbery?

00:35:49.880 Attempted robbery.

00:35:50.700 Why would the FBI

00:35:51.280 take that over?

00:35:53.020 Like,

00:35:53.280 is there a good reason

00:35:54.000 for that?

00:35:54.360 That's bizarre.

00:35:55.520 Yeah,

00:35:56.140 I know.

00:35:58.040 That's why I say

00:35:58.880 I'm open to it,

00:35:59.680 even though,

00:36:00.300 you know,

00:36:01.040 that's been something

00:36:01.940 that is immediately

00:36:03.100 branded like such

00:36:04.140 an obvious conspiracy

00:36:05.200 theory that the second

00:36:06.160 you suggest that

00:36:06.920 you're receptive to it,

00:36:08.020 but that's exactly

00:36:09.280 when conspiracy theories

00:36:10.400 are often

00:36:11.280 ones that deserve

00:36:12.720 attention.

00:36:13.000 I don't know,

00:36:13.380 an American citizen

00:36:14.140 got murdered in my city,

00:36:15.800 and so I feel like

00:36:16.780 I have an absolute right

00:36:17.520 to ask why the FBI

00:36:18.380 take that over

00:36:18.920 and what did they learn

00:36:19.640 and like,

00:36:20.040 what is that?

00:36:21.040 That's a totally

00:36:21.720 fair question.

00:36:22.520 They don't,

00:36:23.160 you know,

00:36:23.280 it's so funny,

00:36:23.720 they set themselves up

00:36:24.800 as the arbiters

00:36:25.720 of everything,

00:36:26.960 as the moral arbiters

00:36:27.760 for sure,

00:36:28.560 and you're like,

00:36:29.060 not allowed to ask

00:36:29.760 that question.

00:36:30.220 It's like,

00:36:30.840 I live,

00:36:31.520 I spent my life in D.C.

00:36:32.800 I know the street

00:36:33.500 he was shot on.

00:36:34.740 He's an American

00:36:35.420 just like me.

00:36:36.240 I have absolutely

00:36:37.260 a fundamental right

00:36:38.220 to ask like,

00:36:39.600 and same with Epstein.

00:36:40.960 Why wasn't there

00:36:41.760 a real investigation

00:36:43.000 like,

00:36:43.340 this seems anomalous.

00:36:44.300 Like,

00:36:44.440 what's the answer?

00:36:45.600 Shut up!

00:36:46.660 And then the tactic is

00:36:48.360 by like,

00:36:48.740 the Ben Shapiros

00:36:49.280 of the world

00:36:49.620 and the people

00:36:50.000 who are the same,

00:36:50.680 like the people

00:36:51.880 who have anointed themselves

00:36:52.880 to be the guardians

00:36:53.780 of official versions

00:36:55.080 or,

00:36:55.740 you know,

00:36:56.320 no challenging

00:36:56.980 any sorts of like,

00:36:58.280 why did the USS Liberty happen?

00:36:59.680 Those kind of things.

00:37:00.460 Like,

00:37:00.560 what happened with JFK?

00:37:01.160 Why was JF,

00:37:01.760 my favorite was,

00:37:02.360 why was JFK murdered?

00:37:03.080 I don't care.

00:37:03.660 It was a long time ago.

00:37:04.520 Yeah,

00:37:04.660 it was so long ago.

00:37:05.640 Yeah,

00:37:05.820 it was a long time ago.

00:37:08.860 And,

00:37:09.260 they mocked that now

00:37:12.740 as just asking questions.

00:37:14.720 They'll be,

00:37:15.160 oh,

00:37:15.480 it's like,

00:37:16.280 I don't know,

00:37:16.740 I feel like my job

00:37:17.960 as like a,

00:37:18.680 not just a journalist,

00:37:19.520 but a human being

00:37:20.220 and a citizen

00:37:20.720 is like,

00:37:21.200 I kind of want to be

00:37:22.240 asking questions.

00:37:23.500 I don't want to just be

00:37:24.380 ingesting what I'm told

00:37:25.560 because what we've been told

00:37:26.800 has been proven

00:37:27.580 to be deliberate lies

00:37:29.460 so often.

00:37:30.580 Also,

00:37:30.900 I like people who ask questions.

00:37:32.100 I'm uncomfortable with

00:37:33.380 people who make

00:37:34.140 declarative statements

00:37:35.180 exclusively

00:37:36.300 because you actually

00:37:37.360 don't know the answer

00:37:38.100 to most things.

00:37:38.700 Like,

00:37:38.820 I said,

00:37:39.300 where do you think

00:37:40.000 those emails came from?

00:37:42.200 Podesta's emails,

00:37:42.960 DNC emails.

00:37:43.720 And you're like,

00:37:44.600 I don't really know,

00:37:45.380 but here are the questions

00:37:46.020 that I have.

00:37:46.340 Like,

00:37:46.520 that's the honest answer.

00:37:48.240 Well,

00:37:48.440 also,

00:37:48.760 you know how many times,

00:37:50.420 not just in politics

00:37:51.220 where deliberate lies happen,

00:37:52.920 but in every field

00:37:53.560 of discipline,

00:37:54.180 like physics

00:37:54.660 and chemistry

00:37:55.920 and biology,

00:37:56.700 everything,

00:37:57.060 linguistics

00:37:58.020 where a certain

00:37:59.820 time arrives

00:38:01.520 and people believe

00:38:02.420 they've discovered

00:38:03.180 an absolute proven truth

00:38:04.960 and by the next generation

00:38:06.060 it's completely debunked.

00:38:07.700 Like,

00:38:08.060 if you don't have,

00:38:08.800 and that's why

00:38:09.320 I believe in the

00:38:10.380 absolute necessity

00:38:12.500 of preserving the right

00:38:13.740 to question everything.

00:38:14.580 That's the scientific method.

00:38:15.880 Yeah,

00:38:16.160 and it's just basic humility.

00:38:17.580 It's like,

00:38:17.860 to think that human beings

00:38:19.160 have discovered

00:38:19.880 unchallenged truths

00:38:21.140 that can never be disproven

00:38:22.580 and that from here,

00:38:23.520 henceforth,

00:38:24.040 you're not allowed to question.

00:38:25.560 No,

00:38:25.960 I'm not accepting that

00:38:26.760 from anybody.

00:38:29.860 Oh,

00:38:30.340 I want to print that

00:38:31.080 and put it on my fridge.

00:38:32.960 I'll give you,

00:38:33.420 I'll sign it for you.

00:38:34.320 Good,

00:38:34.780 thank you.

00:38:37.200 Yeah.

00:38:38.600 Okay,

00:38:38.980 so let me,

00:38:39.480 let me do the apps,

00:38:40.080 do you want to talk

00:38:40.740 about the option files

00:38:41.340 in relation to that as well?

00:38:42.420 Yeah,

00:38:42.640 sure.

00:38:43.220 I mean,

00:38:43.920 just because,

00:38:44.740 I just want to,

00:38:45.540 I just find the Epstein files

00:38:46.760 so fascinating

00:38:47.420 because

00:38:48.020 all the people

00:38:50.180 who are now in charge

00:38:50.980 of the government

00:38:51.560 under Donald Trump,

00:38:53.940 particularly Cash Patel

00:38:55.120 and Dan Bongino

00:38:55.700 at the FBI,

00:38:56.220 but others as well

00:38:57.720 throughout the government

00:38:58.620 were over the last four years

00:39:02.040 everywhere in the media

00:39:02.940 on their shows,

00:39:03.940 on every other show,

00:39:04.860 banging on the table,

00:39:06.240 demanding the immediate release

00:39:07.560 of all the Epstein files.

00:39:10.220 We're now five months

00:39:12.280 into the Trump administration.

00:39:13.680 We haven't gotten

00:39:14.280 a single document

00:39:15.840 that wasn't previously published

00:39:18.020 of the Epstein files.

00:39:20.500 The,

00:39:21.220 they made a humiliating showing

00:39:22.860 of pretending to release it

00:39:24.440 when they called those

00:39:25.480 conservative influence

00:39:26.300 and they all waved around

00:39:26.920 the binder,

00:39:27.380 Epstein files,

00:39:28.080 oh my God,

00:39:28.780 what was in them?

00:39:29.260 And then it turns out like

00:39:30.080 nothing,

00:39:31.300 you know,

00:39:31.440 just every document

00:39:32.400 that was in this binder

00:39:33.240 was already previously released

00:39:34.540 as part of the litigation

00:39:35.280 or journalism that was done.

00:39:36.880 And Pam Bondi's new excuse,

00:39:39.800 because,

00:39:40.160 I mean,

00:39:40.540 I'm glad that there are

00:39:41.780 a lot of people

00:39:42.280 in the Trump movement

00:39:42.940 and the Mug movement

00:39:43.780 who are not contrary

00:39:45.980 to how they're depicted

00:39:47.380 in some sort of cult.

00:39:48.600 Like,

00:39:48.800 they hold these people accountable.

00:39:51.620 Like,

00:39:51.740 they want to understand,

00:39:52.760 like,

00:39:53.020 we were promised these things.

00:39:54.220 Like,

00:39:54.580 why isn't this happening?

00:39:56.200 And so Pam Bondi's

00:39:57.380 excuse now is

00:39:58.660 we have thousands

00:40:00.020 and thousands

00:40:00.920 of sex videos

00:40:02.300 of Jeffrey Epstein

00:40:03.640 having sex with minors

00:40:04.960 implying that

00:40:06.640 it's obviously

00:40:07.200 going to take a lot of time

00:40:07.980 to go through these videos

00:40:08.960 and therefore

00:40:10.620 we have to be patient

00:40:12.280 before we get them.

00:40:13.900 It's like,

00:40:14.840 I don't care about

00:40:16.580 sex videos

00:40:17.580 of Jeffrey Epstein

00:40:18.960 having sex with children

00:40:20.000 because we already know

00:40:20.900 that Jeffrey Epstein

00:40:21.740 had sex with children.

00:40:22.740 That's kind of

00:40:23.320 the reason we know

00:40:24.580 who he is.

00:40:25.280 He's been twice

00:40:26.140 charged with that,

00:40:27.240 once convicted

00:40:27.860 and then was ready

00:40:28.960 to be charged again.

00:40:30.280 For me,

00:40:31.120 the two biggest issues are

00:40:32.260 are there people

00:40:33.040 to whom he

00:40:33.740 trafficked minors

00:40:35.360 because he was charged

00:40:36.800 with sex trafficking

00:40:37.540 but nobody has been charged

00:40:38.860 with being the recipient

00:40:40.340 of that sex trafficking?

00:40:42.020 But the much more

00:40:42.880 interesting question for me

00:40:44.140 is,

00:40:45.980 and there's a lot of reason

00:40:46.760 to believe it's true,

00:40:47.580 is

00:40:47.840 was he working

00:40:49.860 with or for

00:40:50.760 any foreign intelligence agencies?

00:40:52.420 There is no way

00:40:54.000 they don't already

00:40:54.740 have that answer.

00:40:55.680 Maybe the answer is no.

00:40:57.780 Maybe he wasn't

00:40:58.620 working with any,

00:40:59.280 it would shock me,

00:41:01.080 but maybe that's their answer.

00:41:02.620 Maybe their answer is he was.

00:41:04.020 Why don't we have those answers?

00:41:05.720 Like,

00:41:05.960 have FBI agents

00:41:06.720 for whatever reason

00:41:07.260 go through those sex tapes

00:41:08.220 for the next three years,

00:41:09.040 that's fine.

00:41:09.680 What stops them

00:41:10.660 from releasing

00:41:11.160 that question,

00:41:12.020 that answer now?

00:41:13.420 For people

00:41:14.460 who may not be

00:41:15.360 as familiar

00:41:15.880 with the details,

00:41:16.980 what leads you

00:41:18.260 to raise that question?

00:41:19.520 Is there evidence

00:41:20.360 that suggests

00:41:21.220 he might have been

00:41:21.980 working with

00:41:22.740 a foreign intelligence?

00:41:23.540 Well,

00:41:23.720 first of all,

00:41:24.420 the source of his wealth

00:41:25.760 has always been mysterious.

00:41:27.840 I mean,

00:41:28.240 he wasn't just very rich.

00:41:30.840 He was living the life

00:41:31.640 of a multi-multi-billionaire.

00:41:33.660 He had,

00:41:34.060 you know,

00:41:34.520 $50 million properties

00:41:35.860 in Manhattan

00:41:36.540 and West Palm Beach

00:41:38.100 and bought that island,

00:41:39.900 New Mexico,

00:41:40.680 flying around on a 747.

00:41:42.420 This is not just like

00:41:43.440 somebody who's very wealthy.

00:41:44.480 This is somebody

00:41:45.000 with essentially

00:41:46.100 unlimited resources,

00:41:47.440 right?

00:41:47.600 like Bill Gates type wealth.

00:41:50.520 And one of the ways,

00:41:52.580 one of his primary benefactors

00:41:54.860 is Les Wexner,

00:41:56.300 who is a multi-billionaire,

00:41:58.300 somebody with whom

00:41:59.100 he worked closely.

00:41:59.840 And I guess the argument

00:42:00.600 or the claim is

00:42:02.560 he was a brilliant strategist

00:42:06.100 for how to save taxes,

00:42:07.480 how to save money on taxes.

00:42:09.580 He was like a highly

00:42:10.060 competent accountant,

00:42:11.380 basically.

00:42:11.920 Yeah,

00:42:12.020 like a tax accountant.

00:42:12.960 That's a tax accountant.

00:42:13.860 They tell you how,

00:42:14.500 like what strategies

00:42:15.160 to use to save money.

00:42:16.100 So maybe Les Wexner

00:42:17.980 valued him so much

00:42:19.000 that he gave him,

00:42:20.020 I don't know,

00:42:20.560 $3 billion.

00:42:21.460 In general,

00:42:22.300 billionaires don't like

00:42:23.040 to give money away

00:42:23.640 that they don't have to.

00:42:24.880 Maybe Les Wexner

00:42:25.800 is like super generous,

00:42:27.140 like, oh,

00:42:27.380 so grateful to Jeffrey Epstein,

00:42:28.620 here's like $2 billion.

00:42:30.460 But Les Wexner

00:42:31.440 has all sorts of ties

00:42:33.120 to like his main

00:42:34.640 non-moneymaking

00:42:36.380 endeavor in life

00:42:37.880 is supporting Israel

00:42:39.600 and donating

00:42:40.400 to pro-Israel groups

00:42:43.280 and working closely

00:42:44.220 with the Israeli government.

00:42:45.980 Jazayne Maxwell,

00:42:47.000 who's now in prison

00:42:47.840 as having been

00:42:48.780 essentially his right-hand man,

00:42:51.000 her father,

00:42:51.740 Robert Maxwell,

00:42:52.540 who died in a very

00:42:53.460 mysterious way,

00:42:54.160 he slipped off his yacht,

00:42:55.940 was a known Mossad agent.

00:42:59.080 He worked with the Mossad.

00:43:00.460 He had very close ties

00:43:01.520 to Israel.

00:43:03.240 We all know...

00:43:03.960 Given a state funeral.

00:43:05.860 Yes,

00:43:06.260 in Israel.

00:43:06.940 Yes.

00:43:07.360 And, you know,

00:43:07.920 when I did this

00:43:08.460 note in reporting,

00:43:09.680 people,

00:43:10.360 there's a lot of documents

00:43:11.060 that we released

00:43:11.620 that in just because

00:43:12.420 there were so many,

00:43:13.140 not all of them

00:43:14.640 got the attention

00:43:15.160 they deserved.

00:43:16.560 One of the set of files

00:43:18.020 we released

00:43:18.800 described

00:43:20.080 the intelligence

00:43:22.160 relationship

00:43:22.960 that we have

00:43:23.400 with Israel,

00:43:23.940 the NSA has with Israel.

00:43:25.720 Israel is the number

00:43:26.660 one recipient

00:43:27.260 of NSA technology

00:43:28.880 and NSA intelligence.

00:43:30.160 We share more

00:43:30.880 with Israel,

00:43:31.860 even more than

00:43:32.960 we do with

00:43:33.400 the Five Eyes partners

00:43:34.780 who developed

00:43:35.400 this technology.

00:43:36.080 We give more

00:43:36.740 to Israel,

00:43:37.760 more intelligence,

00:43:38.900 raw intelligence

00:43:39.480 about Americans

00:43:40.160 as well,

00:43:41.160 and more

00:43:42.740 intelligence know-how.

00:43:44.700 But at the same time,

00:43:46.400 the documents

00:43:47.020 that describe

00:43:47.700 who are our

00:43:48.920 greatest intelligence

00:43:50.220 threats,

00:43:50.920 who are our

00:43:51.320 greatest intelligence

00:43:52.280 adversaries,

00:43:52.940 who spies on us

00:43:53.760 the most,

00:43:54.480 who is capable

00:43:55.180 of spying out the most,

00:43:56.360 number one on the list

00:43:57.200 is Israel as well.

00:43:58.800 Obviously,

00:43:59.300 the Israelis use,

00:44:00.640 you know,

00:44:00.940 some,

00:44:01.300 I mean,

00:44:01.540 the most dangerous

00:44:02.340 spying programs

00:44:03.040 like Pegasus

00:44:03.860 and others

00:44:05.040 come from Israel,

00:44:07.140 are developed by Israel,

00:44:08.280 are controlled

00:44:08.680 by the Israelis,

00:44:09.440 by which I simply

00:44:10.440 mean to say

00:44:11.080 that Israel uses

00:44:12.920 every weapon

00:44:13.580 at its disposal,

00:44:14.360 including gathering

00:44:15.100 and incriminating

00:44:15.760 information about

00:44:16.400 its enemies.

00:44:17.900 Some people

00:44:18.620 have suggested

00:44:19.300 that,

00:44:20.180 oh no,

00:44:20.440 it's not Israel,

00:44:21.220 it's probably

00:44:21.660 the Qatari

00:44:22.220 intelligence agencies

00:44:23.300 with whom he worked.

00:44:25.160 Maybe,

00:44:25.540 I don't know,

00:44:25.860 maybe it was like,

00:44:26.640 maybe it was Peru.

00:44:27.980 Maybe it was like

00:44:28.820 Indonesia.

00:44:29.540 People have said

00:44:30.300 that Epstein

00:44:30.680 was working

00:44:31.160 with the Qataris?

00:44:31.940 Yeah.

00:44:32.400 Like,

00:44:32.860 what,

00:44:33.420 like,

00:44:34.000 there's been a...

00:44:34.180 I want to keep

00:44:34.760 a list of people

00:44:35.320 who make that claim.

00:44:36.000 Do you know anyone?

00:44:37.260 Anyone who said that?

00:44:37.680 I mean,

00:44:38.900 it's kind of...

00:44:40.680 It's pretty funny.

00:44:40.840 You know how,

00:44:41.220 like,

00:44:41.980 Israeli,

00:44:42.500 like,

00:44:42.740 supporters,

00:44:43.240 like,

00:44:43.940 loyalists of Israel

00:44:44.780 in the United States

00:44:45.540 are now constantly

00:44:46.960 trying to convince people

00:44:47.940 that the real foreign government

00:44:49.400 that is exhorting

00:44:51.240 extreme amounts

00:44:52.100 of influence

00:44:52.560 over our politicians

00:44:53.400 and our institutions

00:44:55.300 is Qatar?

00:44:56.060 I find it hilarious.

00:44:57.320 And I'm always like,

00:44:57.960 you know what?

00:44:58.600 Let me know

00:44:59.400 when Congress

00:45:00.360 starts passing

00:45:01.100 on a weekly basis

00:45:02.020 pro-Qatar resolutions

00:45:03.300 or when,

00:45:04.340 like,

00:45:04.500 students are being

00:45:05.520 expelled and deported

00:45:07.760 because they've criticized

00:45:08.780 Qatar.

00:45:09.720 Let me know

00:45:10.440 when,

00:45:10.720 like,

00:45:11.040 we start sending

00:45:12.380 billions of dollars

00:45:13.200 a year to Qatar.

00:45:14.700 Let me know

00:45:15.140 when all that starts

00:45:15.780 to happen

00:45:16.100 and I'll be receptive

00:45:16.820 to the fact

00:45:17.340 that maybe Qatar...

00:45:18.620 But anyway,

00:45:19.420 all I'm saying,

00:45:20.000 I'm not saying

00:45:20.540 it's Israel.

00:45:21.200 I'm just saying

00:45:21.840 the nature

00:45:24.480 of what Jeffrey Epstein

00:45:25.720 was doing,

00:45:26.400 the amount of wealth

00:45:27.580 that it required,

00:45:29.700 the number of

00:45:30.680 the most powerful

00:45:31.600 elites on the planet

00:45:32.700 who were with him,

00:45:33.680 who were involved with him,

00:45:34.600 who were at his island too,

00:45:36.180 despite knowing

00:45:36.920 that he had been convicted

00:45:37.760 in 2010

00:45:38.640 of having sex with minors,

00:45:43.000 hiring prostitutes

00:45:43.960 who were underage,

00:45:45.420 who continued

00:45:46.060 to consort with him

00:45:47.000 in the most,

00:45:47.660 you know,

00:45:48.240 proximate ways,

00:45:49.320 something was going on there.

00:45:52.900 It would be

00:45:53.240 incredibly valuable.

00:45:54.540 He kept,

00:45:55.120 you know,

00:45:55.380 he had cameras

00:45:56.600 in every part

00:45:57.360 of his house.

00:45:58.000 He had tapes

00:45:58.680 of everything.

00:46:00.460 Obviously,

00:46:00.860 that would be

00:46:01.300 of immense value

00:46:02.360 to any foreign

00:46:03.180 intelligence agent.

00:46:04.180 And American.

00:46:04.960 I mean,

00:46:05.120 he was close friends

00:46:06.260 with Bill Burns,

00:46:07.060 the former head of the CIA.

00:46:08.300 Maybe domestic intelligence

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00:48:36.520 Two facts,

00:48:38.320 data points

00:48:39.000 as they're now called,

00:48:39.820 that suggest to me

00:48:41.860 that something's up.

00:48:42.880 One is the fact

00:48:44.060 that Epstein

00:48:44.960 was represented

00:48:45.660 in his first

00:48:47.600 tangle with the

00:48:48.680 authorities in Florida

00:48:49.440 by Bill Kristol's lawyer,

00:48:52.780 Jay Lefkowitz,

00:48:53.280 who I know.

00:48:55.520 And the second

00:48:56.380 is the statement

00:48:57.480 by Alex Acosta,

00:48:58.420 which I think

00:48:58.840 maybe is at the top

00:48:59.640 of your memory

00:49:00.360 about why Epstein

00:49:01.720 got off so easily.

00:49:03.140 How is this not

00:49:04.060 talked about every day?

00:49:05.680 Okay, so

00:49:06.260 in Florida,

00:49:07.740 in the United States

00:49:08.340 generally,

00:49:09.340 having sex with minors,

00:49:11.100 hiring,

00:49:11.960 you know,

00:49:12.260 using minors

00:49:13.060 as prostitutes

00:49:14.660 is considered

00:49:15.340 like a pretty

00:49:16.180 terrible crime.

00:49:17.600 Yeah.

00:49:17.960 Yeah, you know,

00:49:18.560 most people agree on that.

00:49:19.700 Yeah, you don't really

00:49:20.440 have to debate that.

00:49:21.320 That's considered

00:49:21.920 like something

00:49:22.400 that deserves

00:49:22.940 huge amounts

00:49:23.420 of jail time

00:49:24.040 and typically

00:49:24.660 results in

00:49:25.760 huge amounts

00:49:26.160 of jail time.

00:49:27.780 Jeffrey Epstein

00:49:28.480 barely went to jail

00:49:29.820 for that.

00:49:30.680 As part of a plea bargain,

00:49:32.900 they had

00:49:33.400 enormous amounts

00:49:34.340 of evidence.

00:49:35.160 It wasn't a question

00:49:35.860 of could they

00:49:36.340 prove his guilt.

00:49:37.480 They gave him

00:49:38.340 a plea deal,

00:49:39.260 a plea deal,

00:49:40.620 where he spent

00:49:41.020 like six seconds

00:49:41.840 in jail

00:49:42.340 and then like

00:49:43.440 most of the time

00:49:44.060 at home

00:49:44.540 doing community service.

00:49:46.620 And Alex Acosta,

00:49:47.920 who was the

00:49:48.880 U.S. attorney

00:49:49.440 for the

00:49:50.580 Southern District of Florida

00:49:51.420 at the time,

00:49:51.920 which was

00:49:52.920 in charge of the case,

00:49:54.240 that's where Epstein was,

00:49:56.520 ultimately ended up

00:49:57.160 in the Justice Department

00:49:57.840 and other roles

00:49:58.420 inside the government.

00:49:59.720 And so he was

00:50:00.620 constantly asked,

00:50:01.460 why would you give

00:50:02.120 Jeffrey Epstein

00:50:02.840 such a

00:50:04.360 like generous

00:50:05.400 plea deal

00:50:06.040 that nobody

00:50:06.780 would ever get

00:50:07.380 for those crimes?

00:50:08.460 And he ended up

00:50:09.760 saying,

00:50:10.220 I was told

00:50:10.860 that he's intelligence

00:50:11.980 and therefore

00:50:12.500 leave him alone.

00:50:14.260 That's what Alex Acosta,

00:50:15.540 the prosecutor says

00:50:16.600 that he was told

00:50:17.400 about what he should

00:50:18.680 do with the Jeffrey,

00:50:19.320 like leave him alone

00:50:20.180 because he's intelligent.

00:50:21.540 Well, there were,

00:50:22.020 we're just kind of,

00:50:23.120 the conversation

00:50:24.000 just like ended.

00:50:25.400 Like we know now.

00:50:27.060 I mean,

00:50:27.200 if the prosecutor says,

00:50:28.540 the federal prosecutor

00:50:29.400 in Florida says that,

00:50:30.580 then I think we can

00:50:31.260 assume that that's true.

00:50:33.080 Right.

00:50:33.660 So why don't we know

00:50:34.680 what that means?

00:50:35.520 That's what,

00:50:36.340 you know,

00:50:36.620 like what would be

00:50:38.180 the reason that people

00:50:39.300 inside the Trump

00:50:40.560 administration

00:50:41.100 who have long

00:50:42.760 expressed vehemently,

00:50:44.460 vocally at the top

00:50:45.560 of their agenda

00:50:46.180 demands that

00:50:48.200 the Epstein files

00:50:49.120 be released?

00:50:50.440 Why are they

00:50:51.380 not telling us

00:50:52.660 that information?

00:50:54.620 I think the net effect

00:50:56.180 of this is to drive

00:50:57.220 everyone insane

00:50:58.120 and to make everyone

00:50:59.560 like angry

00:51:00.160 and suspicious

00:51:00.800 and paranoid

00:51:01.560 and conspiracy minded.

00:51:03.200 I do think that.

00:51:04.060 It's like you expect

00:51:05.200 that we're going

00:51:05.740 to hear the truth

00:51:06.480 and then it's like,

00:51:08.240 oh, by the way,

00:51:08.740 no.

00:51:10.180 Everyone assumes

00:51:10.940 the worst.

00:51:11.840 I mean,

00:51:12.040 why wouldn't you

00:51:12.680 assume the worst?

00:51:13.460 Well, you know,

00:51:14.140 it's that improves

00:51:14.760 American society.

00:51:15.840 The thing is like,

00:51:16.340 you know,

00:51:16.620 I whenever I talk

00:51:18.700 about independent media,

00:51:19.440 including from people

00:51:20.080 who are supporters of it,

00:51:21.880 believe it's a positive

00:51:22.580 development,

00:51:23.020 they all say,

00:51:23.900 oh, but, you know,

00:51:25.000 there's so many

00:51:25.500 conspiracy theories

00:51:26.540 that end up being

00:51:27.480 cultivated and spread

00:51:28.980 that people embrace.

00:51:31.120 And that's true.

00:51:32.360 Yeah, of course it is.

00:51:32.920 There's been a lot

00:51:33.480 of conspiracy theories

00:51:34.440 embraced by the

00:51:35.320 credible legacy media

00:51:36.580 as well.

00:51:36.920 I mean,

00:51:37.040 it wasn't like Reddit

00:51:37.940 that convinced Americans

00:51:39.480 Saddam Hussein had

00:51:40.280 an active nuclear weapons

00:51:41.240 program.

00:51:41.820 Or that Joe Biden

00:51:42.640 was the best version ever.

00:51:43.980 Right.

00:51:44.200 Or that, like,

00:51:45.220 the North Vietnamese

00:51:46.300 were the aggressors

00:51:47.340 in the Gulf of Punkin.

00:51:48.760 Right?

00:51:49.220 That came from, like,

00:51:50.300 CBS and Walter Cronkite

00:51:51.840 and the New York Times.

00:51:52.860 But in any event,

00:51:53.860 of course there's going

00:51:55.640 to be Americans

00:51:56.720 who are now amenable

00:51:58.680 to every conspiracy theory

00:51:59.960 because what have we

00:52:00.780 lived through?

00:52:01.220 The Iraq War,

00:52:02.380 the 2008 financial crisis,

00:52:04.680 all of the lies

00:52:05.340 around the Trump.

00:52:05.600 Well, 9-11.

00:52:06.380 9-11 itself.

00:52:08.320 And then if you go back

00:52:09.100 further, like,

00:52:09.800 the Vietnam War,

00:52:10.740 but then also COVID.

00:52:12.860 And, like,

00:52:13.560 one after the next,

00:52:16.100 at best,

00:52:17.600 massive fundamental

00:52:19.020 systemic failure

00:52:19.960 on the part of all

00:52:20.600 the institutions

00:52:21.180 we were taught to trust

00:52:22.280 and probably at worst

00:52:23.840 and probably more accurately,

00:52:25.640 overwhelming deceit

00:52:26.760 and lies

00:52:27.880 and falsehoods

00:52:29.120 and propaganda

00:52:29.860 continuously disseminated

00:52:31.840 by them

00:52:32.340 in order to facilitate

00:52:33.280 what they wanted.

00:52:34.020 what is going to happen

00:52:35.520 to a society

00:52:36.200 where people lose faith

00:52:38.400 and trust

00:52:39.000 in institutions

00:52:39.880 not because,

00:52:41.180 you know,

00:52:42.020 charlatans are on the sidelines

00:52:43.580 encouraging them

00:52:44.420 to make that happen

00:52:45.160 but because rationally

00:52:46.620 those institutions

00:52:48.820 no longer merit

00:52:49.620 trust or faith.

00:52:50.700 If you lie too much,

00:52:51.420 I don't believe you.

00:52:53.000 It's kind of basic.

00:52:54.040 So the only antidote

00:52:55.020 to that is

00:52:55.520 transparency

00:52:57.040 is revealing the truth

00:52:58.280 and I really worry

00:53:00.080 right now especially

00:53:01.240 that this is hardening

00:53:03.660 people's cynicism

00:53:04.760 and rage

00:53:06.460 and really

00:53:08.500 at some point nihilism

00:53:09.640 like nothing is true.

00:53:11.160 That is the conclusion

00:53:12.280 a lot of people

00:53:12.800 are going to read.

00:53:13.060 Nothing is true.

00:53:13.540 I don't believe anything

00:53:14.100 like it's all fake.

00:53:15.360 Well, and also,

00:53:16.040 you know,

00:53:17.340 Cash Patel

00:53:17.840 and Dan Bongino

00:53:18.560 are people who

00:53:21.000 were among

00:53:22.040 the most popular

00:53:23.380 among the MAGA base.

00:53:25.320 I mean,

00:53:25.480 these were the people

00:53:26.120 among the most respected.

00:53:28.160 I mean,

00:53:28.280 Dan Bongino's show

00:53:29.160 on Rumble,

00:53:30.940 a platform that

00:53:31.760 still maybe like

00:53:32.960 30, 40,

00:53:33.800 maybe even 50%

00:53:34.660 of the people

00:53:35.240 in the United States

00:53:36.100 that we have never

00:53:36.500 even heard of

00:53:37.120 was getting bigger audiences

00:53:38.740 than almost every

00:53:40.960 daytime cable show.

00:53:43.900 Cash Patel,

00:53:44.900 you know,

00:53:45.300 the surge of support

00:53:46.600 for him

00:53:46.960 when he was nominated

00:53:47.600 to lead the FBI

00:53:48.380 was massive

00:53:49.720 because people thought,

00:53:50.560 no,

00:53:50.700 that's who we need

00:53:51.420 to like get in

00:53:52.880 and root this out

00:53:53.680 and clean it out.

00:53:54.820 And I believe

00:53:55.800 that they,

00:53:57.160 I believe there is

00:53:58.420 something to that.

00:53:59.240 I think they are

00:54:00.300 authentic and genuine

00:54:01.960 in that way.

00:54:02.900 But at the same time,

00:54:04.720 something is constraining them.

00:54:06.480 And so I ask myself,

00:54:08.060 what kinds of truths

00:54:09.840 would people

00:54:11.540 be determined to hide

00:54:13.700 who are more powerful

00:54:15.080 than they are?

00:54:16.360 And when it comes

00:54:17.440 to the Epstein files,

00:54:18.740 I continuously zero in

00:54:19.940 on that question

00:54:20.700 of who was he working with

00:54:24.060 or for whom?

00:54:25.280 And I can see

00:54:26.900 people in government

00:54:28.780 not wanting that answer

00:54:30.160 to be disclosed

00:54:30.780 just like the same reason

00:54:31.760 we didn't have

00:54:32.180 the JFK files

00:54:32.880 and still don't.

00:54:34.220 We still don't.

00:54:35.000 For 65 years.

00:54:37.180 I know Bongino well.

00:54:39.040 I think of him

00:54:39.700 as a friend.

00:54:40.640 I think he is

00:54:41.360 a man of integrity

00:54:42.540 and I think

00:54:44.180 his integrity

00:54:44.740 remains pure

00:54:45.440 because of his rage.

00:54:46.640 Like Dan's mad

00:54:47.380 at lying.

00:54:49.420 And so I do,

00:54:50.260 I don't know

00:54:50.820 what's going on

00:54:51.880 at all.

00:54:53.560 And to be clear,

00:54:54.240 he said,

00:54:54.940 I know that Epstein

00:54:55.960 killed himself

00:54:56.460 because I've seen

00:54:56.940 the evidence.

00:54:57.360 So I'm pretty confident

00:54:59.280 in the case

00:55:00.120 of Dan Bongino.

00:55:01.240 I don't even mind that

00:55:01.940 but then the question

00:55:02.540 still becomes

00:55:03.080 like they said,

00:55:03.800 they know how

00:55:04.880 their supporters

00:55:06.580 are going to react to that.

00:55:08.180 Right.

00:55:08.440 And they were among

00:55:09.420 the people raising

00:55:10.120 doubts about whether

00:55:11.020 Epstein killed himself.

00:55:12.040 I'm not that,

00:55:13.160 I'm not,

00:55:14.360 it wouldn't shock me

00:55:15.360 if Epstein killed himself.

00:55:16.580 Like you live a life

00:55:17.160 of great wealth

00:55:17.640 and then suddenly

00:55:18.100 you know you're going

00:55:18.500 to spend the prison,

00:55:19.520 spend the rest of your life

00:55:20.440 in prison.

00:55:21.540 It seems odd to me

00:55:22.580 that you can go

00:55:23.020 to a federal prison

00:55:23.700 and kill yourself.

00:55:24.480 Like there's not safeguards

00:55:25.320 against that

00:55:25.800 but whatever.

00:55:26.960 Things that are run

00:55:28.560 by the government

00:55:28.940 failed.

00:55:29.560 I'm not suggesting

00:55:30.460 that they're lying

00:55:32.200 about that

00:55:32.720 but even there

00:55:33.480 they're saying like

00:55:34.140 look I promise you

00:55:34.940 we read the files.

00:55:36.300 He killed himself.

00:55:37.440 So then my question is

00:55:38.220 well why can't we

00:55:38.900 read those files?

00:55:39.760 Well that is my

00:55:40.160 question too

00:55:41.240 and I would just say

00:55:43.300 in the case of Bongino

00:55:44.280 I know Kash Patel

00:55:45.140 but I'm not like a friend

00:55:46.040 of Kash Patel's.

00:55:46.640 I am a friend of Bongino's

00:55:47.380 and I do think

00:55:47.980 that will come out

00:55:49.840 but I think big picture

00:55:51.200 DOJ is making

00:55:53.620 a huge mistake

00:55:54.740 huge mistake

00:55:55.960 in promising

00:55:57.500 to reveal things

00:55:58.460 and then not revealing them

00:55:59.580 and that gives

00:56:01.120 the whole country

00:56:01.660 a kind of moral blue balls

00:56:03.060 at that point

00:56:03.760 and it's bad

00:56:04.720 it's really bad

00:56:05.680 like it's gonna

00:56:06.300 it's gonna cause

00:56:07.540 a lot of hate

00:56:08.020 and second

00:56:09.420 I think that we

00:56:10.280 underestimate

00:56:11.400 the physical threat

00:56:12.560 that people in Washington

00:56:13.460 face.

00:56:13.960 It's always like

00:56:14.580 blackmail

00:56:15.200 or ideological affinity

00:56:16.760 that gets

00:56:17.120 people are afraid

00:56:18.160 of getting hurt.

00:56:18.720 I do think

00:56:19.600 that's a component

00:56:20.140 I mean I know

00:56:20.620 that's a component

00:56:21.360 here.

00:56:22.320 I mean

00:56:22.560 political assassination

00:56:24.140 political murder

00:56:24.980 has been going on

00:56:25.740 for as long

00:56:26.180 as politics have

00:56:27.120 and the JFK case

00:56:28.880 is an example

00:56:29.580 of the president

00:56:30.240 of the United States

00:56:30.760 having his head

00:56:31.360 blown off.

00:56:32.100 Exactly.

00:56:33.380 Exactly.

00:56:34.220 And you think

00:56:34.820 that that's not

00:56:35.500 ever present

00:56:36.240 or constantly present

00:56:37.340 in the minds

00:56:37.720 of people in Washington?

00:56:38.680 They killed the president

00:56:39.500 and got away with it

00:56:40.100 for over 60 years

00:56:42.100 so like

00:56:42.760 clearly there are

00:56:43.700 forces that are

00:56:44.420 above justice.

00:56:46.500 Oh no don't worry

00:56:46.980 Lee Harvey Oswald

00:56:47.620 was killed

00:56:48.060 and Jack Ruby

00:56:48.580 went to prison.

00:56:50.520 Jack Ruby

00:56:51.360 the whole story

00:56:52.640 is Jack Ruby

00:56:53.500 by the way

00:56:53.920 the whole story

00:56:54.460 is Jack Ruby.

00:56:55.380 I mean he just

00:56:55.840 walked up to the person

00:56:56.900 they had claimed

00:56:58.040 and just shot him

00:56:59.200 in the stomach.

00:57:00.720 And there's no evidence

00:57:01.540 he even liked

00:57:02.220 the Kennedys.

00:57:03.120 There's zero evidence

00:57:04.120 he never campaigned

00:57:04.880 for them

00:57:05.340 never gave them money

00:57:06.560 there's not one person

00:57:08.160 who's ever come forward

00:57:08.860 to say you know

00:57:09.760 Jack Ruby was passionately

00:57:11.060 attached to JFK

00:57:12.040 not one person.

00:57:12.860 Right.

00:57:13.260 So like what was

00:57:14.220 the motive there?

00:57:14.980 He was clearly

00:57:15.780 sent there

00:57:17.120 to silence

00:57:18.140 Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:57:19.660 So by whom

00:57:20.260 is the obvious question?

00:57:21.380 There are very serious

00:57:22.600 indications

00:57:23.120 by whom

00:57:23.920 but whatever

00:57:24.480 I don't know

00:57:25.000 but I don't know

00:57:26.620 why everyone

00:57:27.080 spends all this time

00:57:27.960 on Lee Harvey Oswald

00:57:28.980 when the key

00:57:30.680 to the story

00:57:31.240 is so clearly

00:57:32.380 Jack Ruby.

00:57:33.660 Yeah I mean

00:57:34.260 this is

00:57:35.940 I think we are

00:57:37.320 so indoctrinated

00:57:38.060 to believe

00:57:38.600 that this sort of thing

00:57:39.460 happens in other countries

00:57:40.600 like how much

00:57:41.240 think about how much

00:57:42.040 we've heard for example

00:57:42.900 about Putin and Albani.

00:57:44.380 Right.

00:57:45.640 And we're all supposed

00:57:46.420 to like obsess

00:57:47.240 on the idea

00:57:47.820 that in Russia

00:57:48.760 you know

00:57:49.940 if you get too much

00:57:50.740 influence

00:57:51.220 you become too much

00:57:52.000 of a threat

00:57:52.320 to somebody

00:57:52.720 you get killed

00:57:53.500 or imprisoned.

00:57:54.420 The funny thing is

00:57:54.920 Putin didn't even

00:57:55.700 kill Navalny.

00:57:57.100 I think everybody

00:57:58.220 the CIA says that

00:57:59.820 so like no

00:58:00.400 he didn't.

00:58:00.980 Yeah exactly

00:58:01.800 after months of

00:58:03.300 just making it obvious

00:58:04.220 that he

00:58:04.480 I got blamed for his murder

00:58:05.360 I was in Russia

00:58:06.160 when he died

00:58:06.800 I can't believe

00:58:07.620 you killed Navalny.

00:58:08.560 I remember that timing

00:58:09.320 you were going to go

00:58:10.020 you had your big Putin interview

00:58:11.060 then like two days earlier

00:58:12.100 Putin killed Navalny

00:58:13.800 and you're like

00:58:14.600 they're with Putin.

00:58:16.320 No but

00:58:16.700 that's a big part

00:58:18.160 of how that propaganda works

00:58:19.300 you know

00:58:19.740 I grew up thinking that

00:58:20.620 like these kind of

00:58:21.620 bad things happen

00:58:22.460 they just don't happen

00:58:23.280 in our country.

00:58:24.760 It must be cool to live

00:58:26.020 you live outside the country

00:58:27.420 famously

00:58:27.920 where you know

00:58:30.300 you're a foreigner

00:58:31.300 living in a country

00:58:32.180 you've been a long time

00:58:32.880 you speak the language

00:58:33.600 you're engaged

00:58:34.640 in the politics

00:58:35.300 so you're like part of it

00:58:36.380 but you're also

00:58:36.880 from the United States

00:58:37.620 so you're not coming at it

00:58:39.740 with that baggage

00:58:40.420 you can see

00:58:41.020 you're just like

00:58:41.660 you don't lie to yourself

00:58:42.620 about what it is.

00:58:44.380 Yeah I do think

00:58:45.260 I think one of the great

00:58:47.580 one of the things

00:58:48.240 for which I'm most grateful

00:58:49.420 is that I was never

00:58:50.520 embedded in the

00:58:52.660 DC political

00:58:53.760 and media scene

00:58:54.820 and obviously

00:58:55.480 you removed yourself

00:58:56.340 from it

00:58:56.820 which is why we're here

00:58:58.060 and not in Georgetown.

00:58:59.180 It didn't help me

00:59:00.040 being a part of that at all.

00:59:02.740 I'll tell you

00:59:03.540 there's a

00:59:04.840 I've had a friendly relationship

00:59:08.460 with Alex Thompson

00:59:09.160 for a while

00:59:10.180 I've been Jake Tapper's

00:59:12.140 co-author in that book

00:59:13.060 Former political reporter

00:59:14.200 Yeah

00:59:14.960 who now works at Axios

00:59:15.880 Yeah

00:59:16.280 And I've been very aggressive

00:59:18.180 about praising him

00:59:18.900 like going back two years

00:59:19.940 when he was one of the only ones

00:59:21.720 working for these news outlets

00:59:23.420 who was on the story

00:59:24.820 of Biden's cognitive decline

00:59:26.140 getting mauled

00:59:26.840 and attacked

00:59:27.320 by the entire Democratic Party

00:59:29.180 I was often praising him

00:59:30.240 and defending him

00:59:30.960 You know

00:59:32.460 I mean

00:59:32.740 I wouldn't say

00:59:33.260 we're great friends

00:59:34.080 but you know

00:59:34.560 he like sent me a copy

00:59:35.540 of the book

00:59:35.900 with very nice words

00:59:36.740 and so

00:59:37.180 when I go to attack

00:59:39.300 Jake Tapper

00:59:39.960 which is essentially

00:59:40.800 attacking that book

00:59:41.920 of course

00:59:43.000 there's a part of my brain

00:59:43.880 that like

00:59:44.400 you know

00:59:45.340 thinks about

00:59:46.100 like

00:59:46.540 wait

00:59:46.980 what is that going to do

00:59:47.680 to my relationship

00:59:48.340 with Alex Thompson

00:59:49.760 and then you have to be like

00:59:50.620 I don't care

00:59:51.260 but if

00:59:52.740 that is your life

00:59:55.020 you know

00:59:55.220 I mean Alex Thompson

00:59:56.160 is not like an important

00:59:57.160 close friend of mine

00:59:58.140 but like

00:59:58.560 if you live in Washington

00:59:59.880 and every

01:00:00.840 your whole social scene

01:00:02.080 is integrated into

01:00:03.580 that is why

01:00:04.800 there's no adversarial

01:00:05.600 relationship

01:00:05.960 between the media

01:00:06.620 you know

01:00:07.280 so funny

01:00:08.020 Jake Tapper

01:00:10.160 and Alex Thompson

01:00:11.160 were on

01:00:11.660 that shitty PBS show

01:00:13.740 that is now hosted

01:00:14.600 by Jeffrey Goldberg

01:00:15.540 so can you imagine

01:00:16.360 Jeffrey Goldberg

01:00:17.420 is a PBS show?

01:00:18.380 Yeah it's like

01:00:18.720 The Week in Washington

01:00:19.600 Jeffrey Goldberg

01:00:21.020 hosts a TV show?

01:00:21.900 Yeah

01:00:22.080 PBS

01:00:22.740 like The Week in Washington

01:00:24.280 He's the most

01:00:25.100 unappealing person

01:00:25.380 I know

01:00:25.660 I know

01:00:25.960 you can't find anyone

01:00:26.820 less telegenic

01:00:27.540 but anyway

01:00:28.060 he is

01:00:28.660 the person

01:00:30.160 sits there like

01:00:31.040 anyway

01:00:31.940 Jeffrey Goldberg

01:00:34.260 was defending

01:00:34.900 the media

01:00:35.420 saying like

01:00:35.880 I think it's outrageous

01:00:36.800 that we're being blamed

01:00:37.940 for this whole thing

01:00:38.800 with Biden

01:00:39.180 and cognitive decline

01:00:39.980 when there was

01:00:40.520 nothing we could do

01:00:41.280 and so at the end

01:00:42.560 he said to Jake Tapper

01:00:43.460 like what is the lesson

01:00:44.360 that we have to take

01:00:45.020 from all this

01:00:45.640 and Jake Tapper

01:00:46.220 got very serious

01:00:47.280 he like furred his brow

01:00:48.320 but he only like

01:00:49.040 looked down at the table

01:00:50.380 because he just

01:00:50.980 it was a very weird thing

01:00:52.320 like he's just kind of

01:00:53.080 you know he's on television

01:00:53.980 every day

01:00:54.300 you know you look up

01:00:55.180 you talk to people

01:00:55.840 you engage

01:00:56.120 he was like looking down

01:00:57.280 he had his head bowed

01:00:58.060 like the face of somebody

01:00:59.880 who has a

01:01:00.520 PR crisis firm

01:01:02.240 and he said

01:01:04.840 what I have realized

01:01:08.880 is that

01:01:09.960 you cannot trust

01:01:11.460 what people in power

01:01:13.160 tell you

01:01:13.780 people in power

01:01:14.620 lie

01:01:15.220 and when they tell you things

01:01:17.800 you have to take it

01:01:19.320 with skepticism

01:01:20.060 you cannot take it

01:01:21.000 on face value

01:01:21.820 so Jake Tapper

01:01:22.640 at 56 years old

01:01:24.100 after 30 years

01:01:25.640 of working in journalism

01:01:27.240 has discovered

01:01:28.580 what if I were to teach

01:01:30.440 college freshmen

01:01:31.340 a class on journalism

01:01:32.520 would be the thing

01:01:33.180 that I would say

01:01:33.700 on the first day

01:01:34.520 about what the job is

01:01:36.880 right

01:01:37.180 like why it's important

01:01:38.120 to have journalism

01:01:38.840 because people in power

01:01:39.900 lie to keep their power

01:01:41.660 and this is something

01:01:43.640 that now that

01:01:44.620 Trump's in office

01:01:46.120 they've suddenly discovered

01:01:47.700 it's an important thing

01:01:48.460 to do to be adversarial

01:01:49.520 to people in power

01:01:50.940 and I think

01:01:52.000 that is in their mind

01:01:53.880 like there is an element

01:01:54.760 of truth to their

01:01:55.480 revisionist history

01:01:56.220 that makes them the victim

01:01:57.060 like they are friends

01:01:57.840 with Mike Donilon

01:01:58.500 and like Anita Dunn

01:02:00.300 their kids go to

01:02:01.340 their same schools

01:02:02.360 they live in the same

01:02:03.420 neighborhoods

01:02:03.800 they intermarry

01:02:04.980 you know like

01:02:05.780 half these couples

01:02:06.480 are like one in the media

01:02:07.640 one in politics

01:02:08.440 and then the rumbling door

01:02:09.360 they constantly switch

01:02:10.280 and they're at lobbyist

01:02:11.260 firms together

01:02:11.900 Washington is like

01:02:13.260 you know Versailles

01:02:14.520 and so it's impossible

01:02:17.640 to be adversarial

01:02:19.680 man we had dinner

01:02:20.720 without naming names

01:02:21.580 but with a journalist

01:02:22.340 last night

01:02:22.920 you and I did here

01:02:23.940 who I don't

01:02:25.720 I never met before

01:02:26.820 nice guy actually

01:02:27.940 but from DC

01:02:29.240 grew up two blocks

01:02:30.300 from me

01:02:30.900 mother went to the same

01:02:32.300 school that I did

01:02:33.280 he went to the same

01:02:34.480 schools as everyone

01:02:35.160 I know

01:02:35.480 I mean it's like

01:02:36.180 if you're from there

01:02:37.780 you are connected

01:02:38.840 to every other person

01:02:40.380 who's from there

01:02:41.180 of course

01:02:42.620 it's but like

01:02:43.520 to a much greater extent

01:02:44.640 than people understand

01:02:46.000 just physically

01:02:46.780 it's like the British court

01:02:48.280 like totally incestuous

01:02:49.540 it's unbelievable

01:02:50.200 but you know

01:02:50.720 this is what I think

01:02:51.800 I think

01:02:53.120 a lot of times

01:02:54.100 you know

01:02:54.420 because I've been

01:02:55.240 a very harsh critic

01:02:56.260 of media corporations

01:02:57.360 and the like

01:02:57.760 people you know

01:02:58.400 ask me like

01:02:58.900 when did this change

01:02:59.680 or whatever

01:03:00.020 and I like

01:03:00.680 there's always been

01:03:02.440 a lot of closeness

01:03:03.360 between the media

01:03:05.140 and its supposed

01:03:05.880 heyday in the 50s

01:03:07.060 with like

01:03:07.480 with Murrow

01:03:09.120 and Cronkite

01:03:09.720 and all of that

01:03:10.200 but you know

01:03:11.300 they were

01:03:11.580 you look at Time Magazine

01:03:12.860 and the New York Times

01:03:13.600 they were outpost

01:03:14.380 for US propaganda

01:03:15.200 on foreign policy

01:03:15.900 during the Cold War

01:03:16.580 but I think

01:03:18.360 you know

01:03:18.800 there was a long time

01:03:20.320 when journalism

01:03:21.440 was considered

01:03:22.080 this like

01:03:22.820 working class

01:03:25.260 you know

01:03:25.860 outsider profession

01:03:26.920 and the people

01:03:27.460 who went into it

01:03:28.120 didn't want to be

01:03:29.040 like wearing Armani suits

01:03:30.360 and you know

01:03:31.480 going to dinner

01:03:32.080 at the White House

01:03:32.860 and with like

01:03:33.920 B-list celebrities

01:03:34.880 they were just like

01:03:35.800 you know

01:03:36.160 working class guys

01:03:37.760 who just wanted to like

01:03:38.540 throw rocks at power

01:03:39.640 that was their personality

01:03:40.840 that's why they went

01:03:41.300 into journalism

01:03:41.840 and of course

01:03:42.920 going back even further

01:03:43.920 like the First Amendment

01:03:45.100 says you know

01:03:46.500 all Americans enjoy

01:03:47.480 freedom of the press

01:03:48.200 there was no such thing

01:03:49.100 as like

01:03:49.400 this secret priesthood

01:03:51.020 of called journalists

01:03:52.440 like professional

01:03:53.060 the press was

01:03:54.040 literally the printing press

01:03:55.200 that everybody could use

01:03:56.200 and everybody did use

01:03:56.980 you'd have to be

01:03:57.620 a journalist to use it

01:03:58.500 it was just a means

01:03:59.300 of expressing

01:04:00.560 and disrupting

01:04:01.340 and informing

01:04:02.160 and organizing

01:04:02.940 and that's what

01:04:03.380 they protected

01:04:03.920 and as

01:04:06.200 huge corporations

01:04:07.600 started buying

01:04:08.680 media outlets

01:04:09.940 you know

01:04:10.140 like Westinghouse

01:04:10.760 buys CBS

01:04:12.200 and it's owned by

01:04:12.960 Viacom

01:04:13.440 or Disney now owns ABC

01:04:14.580 you know

01:04:14.920 that sort of thing

01:04:15.520 the corporatization

01:04:16.420 of mainstream media

01:04:17.720 if you think about

01:04:20.240 the kind of attributes

01:04:21.240 that are required

01:04:22.960 to succeed

01:04:23.740 in large corporations

01:04:25.240 it's never being disruptive

01:04:28.860 to anybody

01:04:29.460 who has authority

01:04:30.300 it's conformity

01:04:32.000 it's you know

01:04:34.720 just sort of being

01:04:36.680 a good soldier

01:04:38.040 for people in power

01:04:40.040 which is the exact

01:04:41.500 opposite attributes

01:04:43.520 that make a good journalist

01:04:44.680 and the incentive schemes

01:04:47.120 that journalists

01:04:48.240 are now

01:04:48.840 encouraged to

01:04:50.400 follow

01:04:51.000 to rise

01:04:51.880 within

01:04:52.540 media

01:04:53.300 are the kind of people

01:04:54.900 who worship power

01:04:55.820 who are obedient to it

01:04:57.600 and that to me

01:04:59.060 has become

01:04:59.480 the most fundamentally

01:05:00.540 rotted part

01:05:00.980 and that's why

01:05:01.560 you know

01:05:02.160 what inspired media

01:05:03.020 and journalism

01:05:03.420 like the blogosphere

01:05:04.520 of like the early 2000s

01:05:05.840 which are like

01:05:06.180 just all these angry people

01:05:07.100 on the right and left

01:05:07.720 like hating the media

01:05:08.920 no credentials

01:05:09.680 but like

01:05:10.260 seeing things

01:05:11.020 that they weren't seeing

01:05:11.960 you know

01:05:12.540 hating the Bush administration

01:05:13.500 but either from the right

01:05:14.840 or from the left

01:05:15.420 hating the mainstream media

01:05:16.500 same thing

01:05:17.080 and like

01:05:17.440 you start realizing

01:05:18.340 like wow

01:05:18.900 like this

01:05:20.520 mainstream media

01:05:21.300 and politics

01:05:21.680 is like a tiny little

01:05:22.800 like Obama once

01:05:23.560 described it as

01:05:24.420 you know

01:05:25.340 like well

01:05:26.260 like John Boehner

01:05:27.220 is supposed to call me

01:05:28.000 a communist

01:05:28.400 but you know

01:05:28.920 everyone knows

01:05:29.480 the reality is

01:05:30.120 we just fight

01:05:30.600 within the 40 yard lines

01:05:31.700 like we're basically

01:05:32.380 on the same team

01:05:33.080 we just

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01:05:34.040 and you realize

01:05:34.760 there's this whole other

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01:05:36.400 of looking at things

01:05:37.340 and it was really

01:05:39.680 the internet

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01:09:02.440 why do you

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01:09:04.640 well I should

01:09:06.040 just say I

01:09:06.400 think your mom

01:09:06.820 worked at

01:09:07.120 mcdonald's

01:09:07.760 actually

01:09:08.380 yeah I mean

01:09:09.360 I think

01:09:09.880 it's just like

01:09:10.800 I think

01:09:11.300 which wouldn't

01:09:11.700 be shocking

01:09:12.200 if you were

01:09:12.660 in any other

01:09:13.080 business

01:09:13.460 but I don't

01:09:14.240 think I know

01:09:14.820 a single other

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01:09:15.840 I don't think

01:09:16.580 I know

01:09:16.820 a single

01:09:17.560 other person

01:09:18.300 in our

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01:09:19.840 in media

01:09:20.400 who can

01:09:20.760 say that

01:09:21.220 yeah I

01:09:22.060 think like

01:09:22.640 I do

01:09:23.320 I mean

01:09:23.680 Richard Nixon

01:09:24.240 had this

01:09:24.700 as well

01:09:25.440 this you know

01:09:26.300 I think Trump

01:09:26.920 has it to an

01:09:27.400 extent too

01:09:27.920 even though

01:09:28.300 like Trump

01:09:28.700 grew up very

01:09:29.140 wealthy

01:09:29.420 but it was

01:09:29.820 like outer borough

01:09:30.500 wealth

01:09:31.340 which is not

01:09:32.400 looked upon

01:09:32.940 kindly by like

01:09:33.820 old money

01:09:34.320 in Manhattan

01:09:34.800 at all

01:09:35.160 and then he

01:09:35.760 comes into

01:09:36.100 Manhattan

01:09:36.440 and started

01:09:36.780 building gigantic

01:09:37.460 buildings and

01:09:38.120 being all like

01:09:38.820 flashy about it

01:09:39.780 you know

01:09:40.120 and so he

01:09:41.000 understood that

01:09:41.600 he was looked

01:09:42.020 down upon

01:09:42.440 by those

01:09:43.220 people

01:09:43.620 same with

01:09:44.500 Richard Nixon

01:09:44.920 Richard Nixon

01:09:45.400 always knew

01:09:46.260 that like

01:09:47.020 the intelligentsia

01:09:47.980 on the east

01:09:48.380 coast hated him

01:09:49.740 thought he was

01:09:50.180 disgusting

01:09:50.680 and I think

01:09:52.620 if you grow up

01:09:53.380 feeling excluded

01:09:55.520 from certain

01:09:56.200 kind of power

01:09:56.660 centers there's

01:09:57.360 always going to

01:09:57.900 be a kind of

01:09:58.540 resentment

01:09:58.900 that you have

01:09:59.440 toward it

01:09:59.860 and I suppose

01:10:00.960 in some way

01:10:01.500 that could lead

01:10:02.080 to like a

01:10:02.500 desperation

01:10:02.880 to be

01:10:03.300 integrated

01:10:03.700 into it

01:10:04.240 but I think

01:10:05.340 more often

01:10:05.800 than not

01:10:06.140 and certainly

01:10:06.440 in my case

01:10:06.980 it made me

01:10:08.040 want to

01:10:08.520 like deconstruct

01:10:11.460 it and show

01:10:12.100 like the facade

01:10:13.180 that they use

01:10:14.040 to glorify

01:10:14.660 themselves

01:10:15.040 but the dirt

01:10:15.920 and felt

01:10:16.340 that really

01:10:16.860 lay underneath

01:10:17.840 and I think

01:10:19.160 that kind

01:10:19.500 of distance

01:10:20.020 really helps

01:10:20.960 with clarity

01:10:21.620 of vision

01:10:22.160 I totally

01:10:23.580 agree

01:10:24.060 and traveling

01:10:25.040 you were saying

01:10:25.860 last night

01:10:26.220 that you think

01:10:26.800 that traveling

01:10:27.500 is one of the

01:10:28.940 most expanding

01:10:29.540 things you can

01:10:30.200 do

01:10:30.460 I had this

01:10:31.900 I did that

01:10:32.940 interview with

01:10:33.500 Alexander Dugan

01:10:34.860 I know you've

01:10:35.440 interviewed him too

01:10:35.980 and I know

01:10:37.740 we're all supposed

01:10:38.080 to hate him

01:10:38.500 and he's a fascist

01:10:39.160 whatever

01:10:39.420 but one of the

01:10:41.920 reasons I really

01:10:42.340 loved him

01:10:42.640 is you know

01:10:42.920 he's a philosopher

01:10:43.640 when I say

01:10:45.000 I loved him

01:10:45.440 I mean I love

01:10:45.860 talking to him

01:10:46.420 he's a philosopher

01:10:48.060 and I like

01:10:48.540 that was

01:10:49.160 I know

01:10:49.540 sometimes I

01:10:50.660 studied philosophy

01:10:51.280 in college

01:10:51.760 it was my obsession

01:10:52.720 I wanted to teach

01:10:53.480 philosophy

01:10:53.920 I ended up being

01:10:54.480 more practical

01:10:54.920 in law school

01:10:55.540 but thinking about

01:10:57.300 you know

01:10:58.240 things in like

01:10:58.800 terms of their

01:10:59.260 first principles

01:10:59.980 and like

01:11:00.580 always needing

01:11:01.600 a like

01:11:02.180 rationale

01:11:02.760 or a logical

01:11:03.660 train that gets

01:11:04.440 you from the

01:11:04.880 start of your

01:11:05.300 question to the

01:11:05.940 end of whatever

01:11:06.400 answer you think

01:11:07.140 you've embraced

01:11:07.920 is very important

01:11:08.980 to me

01:11:09.320 and just thinking

01:11:10.660 about you know

01:11:11.440 like not being

01:11:12.800 reflexive

01:11:13.320 so one of the

01:11:13.840 things he said

01:11:14.260 to me

01:11:14.640 was he said

01:11:16.260 you know

01:11:16.980 I'm always accused

01:11:17.680 of being like

01:11:18.400 a racist

01:11:19.460 or a white

01:11:20.580 supremacist

01:11:21.420 because I'm so

01:11:22.300 devoted to

01:11:22.960 preserving Russian

01:11:23.980 culture

01:11:24.800 and Russian

01:11:26.100 civilization

01:11:26.560 and he said

01:11:27.220 actually the

01:11:27.960 biggest racist

01:11:28.700 by far

01:11:29.380 are western

01:11:30.680 liberals

01:11:31.060 because they

01:11:31.760 believe that

01:11:32.280 their way

01:11:32.840 of being

01:11:33.840 is so

01:11:34.320 superior

01:11:34.760 that every

01:11:35.380 single other

01:11:36.160 culture should

01:11:37.500 give way to

01:11:38.620 adapting itself

01:11:40.100 to their way

01:11:40.780 of life

01:11:41.120 like the whole

01:11:41.640 world should be

01:11:42.160 homogenized in

01:11:42.980 their vision

01:11:43.400 because they're

01:11:43.960 inherently superior

01:11:44.740 like they find

01:11:45.400 a tribe

01:11:46.040 some ancient

01:11:47.040 tribe

01:11:47.500 and they want

01:11:47.960 to immediately

01:11:48.500 like mold it

01:11:49.360 into like

01:11:49.860 Washington

01:11:50.540 neoliberals

01:11:51.240 and what he

01:11:54.080 was saying

01:11:54.420 was like

01:11:54.860 what makes

01:11:55.480 the world

01:11:55.840 valuable

01:11:56.400 and interesting

01:11:57.140 and ultimately

01:11:57.840 like the way

01:11:58.360 you advance

01:11:58.860 and think

01:11:59.160 about things

01:11:59.540 is that you

01:11:59.940 have all

01:12:00.400 these different

01:12:01.020 traditions

01:12:01.660 all these

01:12:02.120 different

01:12:02.460 civilizations

01:12:03.140 like Russian

01:12:03.780 civilization

01:12:04.340 and Chinese

01:12:04.900 civilization

01:12:05.380 and Muslim

01:12:05.860 civilization

01:12:06.460 and you

01:12:07.720 know western

01:12:08.220 civilization

01:12:08.840 and preserving

01:12:10.640 those is what

01:12:12.360 ensures that we

01:12:13.260 have this diversity

01:12:14.020 of thought

01:12:14.660 and it's like

01:12:15.300 a seed bank

01:12:15.900 yeah everything

01:12:16.580 contributes something

01:12:17.680 exactly

01:12:18.120 and so you

01:12:19.600 are constantly

01:12:20.460 told and maybe

01:12:21.740 this is universal

01:12:22.500 when you grow up

01:12:23.640 in a society

01:12:24.160 that your way

01:12:24.720 of life is

01:12:25.360 you know we're

01:12:25.820 always told like

01:12:26.280 the United States

01:12:26.680 is the greatest

01:12:27.060 country ever

01:12:27.800 to exist in the

01:12:28.940 whole history

01:12:29.500 of the world

01:12:29.940 like what a

01:12:30.560 great coincidence

01:12:31.260 for me

01:12:31.860 that I was born

01:12:32.920 in like the

01:12:33.580 objectively greatest

01:12:34.680 country to ever

01:12:35.460 be on the planet

01:12:36.080 not just now

01:12:36.700 but all of human

01:12:37.440 history

01:12:37.780 and there are

01:12:38.720 some parts

01:12:39.080 of the United

01:12:39.320 States that I

01:12:39.980 know I love

01:12:40.560 and I think

01:12:40.940 are very uniquely

01:12:42.000 valuable for sure

01:12:43.700 but the more

01:12:45.660 you get to know

01:12:46.760 other types

01:12:47.900 of ways of

01:12:48.660 thinking

01:12:49.060 and you have

01:12:49.820 this experience

01:12:50.240 like some neighbor

01:12:50.840 has a politics

01:12:51.660 different than yours

01:12:52.400 and you think

01:12:52.820 they're crazy

01:12:53.240 and then you go

01:12:53.680 and talk to them

01:12:54.200 and you understand

01:12:54.740 them better

01:12:55.200 yes

01:12:55.880 and then that

01:12:56.300 makes you

01:12:56.880 be more open

01:12:57.700 to ways of

01:12:58.120 looking at things

01:12:58.780 that that to me

01:13:00.380 is what you know

01:13:02.060 like intellectual

01:13:02.780 vibrancy is

01:13:03.800 is going to

01:13:05.580 places that you

01:13:06.400 don't understand

01:13:07.000 hearing ideas

01:13:08.060 that you were

01:13:08.560 taught to believe

01:13:09.560 are crazy

01:13:10.820 or evil

01:13:11.500 or wrong

01:13:12.160 and then you know

01:13:13.480 when you talk

01:13:14.040 to the human beings

01:13:14.760 who believe them

01:13:15.360 you understand

01:13:15.920 that they actually

01:13:16.540 have as much

01:13:17.260 conviction about it

01:13:18.100 or as much

01:13:18.560 rationale for it

01:13:19.360 as you do

01:13:19.900 for yours

01:13:20.700 I just think

01:13:21.800 that's a beautiful

01:13:22.360 sentiment

01:13:22.720 and thank you

01:13:23.220 for saying it

01:13:23.840 so what you're

01:13:24.260 really arguing

01:13:24.720 for is diversity

01:13:25.900 yeah

01:13:27.600 like diversity

01:13:28.340 like not the kind

01:13:29.600 that you know

01:13:30.380 we've been told

01:13:31.160 is diversity

01:13:31.700 where everyone

01:13:32.200 thinks the same

01:13:32.760 thing but like

01:13:33.380 they have surface

01:13:34.020 level diversity

01:13:34.740 the Indian guy

01:13:36.080 the black guy

01:13:36.900 and the white lady

01:13:37.780 all went to Princeton

01:13:38.540 and they're diverse

01:13:39.520 yeah I remember

01:13:40.480 this initiative

01:13:41.040 where we wanted

01:13:41.660 to diversify our

01:13:42.360 newsroom at

01:13:42.820 The Intercept

01:13:43.300 and so we hired

01:13:43.960 like a black

01:13:45.560 Harvard student

01:13:46.160 whose parents

01:13:46.740 were partners

01:13:47.520 at Goldman Sachs

01:13:48.400 and then like

01:13:48.800 a Latino person

01:13:49.820 who went to Yale

01:13:50.640 and their partners

01:13:51.440 were at J.P. Morgan

01:13:52.320 and then like

01:13:52.840 you know

01:13:53.480 and that was like

01:13:54.080 diversity

01:13:54.600 like everything

01:13:55.340 but like

01:13:56.340 working class

01:13:57.040 diversity

01:13:57.580 or experiential

01:13:58.660 diversity

01:13:59.200 you know

01:14:00.320 the most like

01:14:01.000 superficial kind

01:14:01.900 the most easily

01:14:02.700 accommodated kind

01:14:03.720 yeah

01:14:04.040 I do know

01:14:05.160 very much

01:14:05.980 so what did you think

01:14:06.960 so you interviewed

01:14:07.700 Dugan in Russia

01:14:08.340 in Moscow

01:14:09.940 what did you think

01:14:10.780 of it

01:14:11.060 when was the last

01:14:11.980 time you were there

01:14:12.480 I had been several

01:14:14.220 times because I

01:14:15.320 visited Snowden

01:14:16.300 and you know

01:14:17.180 we in Citizen 4

01:14:18.500 the one of

01:14:19.120 the last scene

01:14:19.820 of Citizen 4

01:14:20.440 the film that was

01:14:21.300 made about the Snowden

01:14:22.140 our work with Snowden

01:14:24.740 that won the Oscar

01:14:25.760 that Laura Poit just

01:14:26.460 directed

01:14:26.740 was her and myself

01:14:28.720 going to

01:14:29.400 to Russia

01:14:31.640 to interview Snowden

01:14:32.600 about like a next

01:14:33.720 sort of story

01:14:34.400 imagine

01:14:34.820 pardon to interrupt

01:14:35.540 imagine a Snowden

01:14:37.020 film winning an Oscar

01:14:38.640 now

01:14:39.020 I mean

01:14:40.580 at the time

01:14:41.600 it was

01:14:42.560 we were

01:14:44.680 when we started

01:14:45.720 winning all the awards

01:14:47.100 and we did the whole

01:14:47.720 like award circuit

01:14:48.380 and we started winning

01:14:49.060 we were very shocked

01:14:50.080 and

01:14:52.160 at the time

01:14:54.480 I remember

01:14:55.060 after they announced

01:14:56.580 Citizen 4

01:14:57.940 as the winner

01:14:58.240 of the Oscars

01:14:58.980 it was Neil Patrick Harris

01:15:00.260 who was the host

01:15:00.840 of the Oscars

01:15:01.380 we had gone on stage

01:15:02.100 and got an award

01:15:03.160 and he then said

01:15:05.580 Edward Snowden

01:15:07.700 wanted to be here

01:15:08.440 but he was unable to

01:15:09.440 for some sort of treason

01:15:10.780 you know like

01:15:12.060 doing a wordplay

01:15:13.060 on reason

01:15:13.620 but like with the word

01:15:14.620 treason

01:15:15.080 and it's like

01:15:15.880 you fucking idiots

01:15:18.240 like you're Hollywood

01:15:19.280 you went through

01:15:19.780 like the McCarthy era

01:15:20.900 you went through

01:15:21.620 all these things

01:15:22.660 that you claim

01:15:23.460 well he was told

01:15:24.200 to say that

01:15:24.620 yeah of course

01:15:25.380 it was part of the script

01:15:26.240 but it was a very

01:15:28.940 you know

01:15:29.200 Laura is a brilliant

01:15:29.900 filmmaker

01:15:30.420 and I think

01:15:31.160 it won because

01:15:32.300 of the quality

01:15:32.980 of the film

01:15:33.500 like and the drama

01:15:34.340 inherent in the story

01:15:35.300 not because

01:15:35.740 the politics of it

01:15:36.920 were that we were

01:15:37.440 exposing

01:15:37.880 spying programs

01:15:39.340 developed under

01:15:40.500 President Obama

01:15:41.300 largely

01:15:41.920 almost entirely

01:15:42.800 but as you're so right

01:15:44.880 this was before

01:15:45.480 Russiagate

01:15:46.000 this was before

01:15:46.720 you know

01:15:47.040 where anything

01:15:47.540 connected to Russia

01:15:48.640 was considered

01:15:49.300 like

01:15:49.540 no chance

01:15:50.220 you wouldn't even

01:15:51.140 get it here

01:15:51.480 I don't think

01:15:51.940 it would even

01:15:52.440 yeah

01:15:53.220 they wouldn't even

01:15:53.840 consider it

01:15:54.340 right

01:15:54.520 at this point

01:15:55.080 so you'd been

01:15:55.920 to Moscow before

01:15:56.740 but you were just

01:15:57.420 there this winter

01:15:57.960 this spring

01:15:59.060 just yeah

01:15:59.580 a few months ago

01:16:00.140 two three months ago

01:16:00.660 what'd you think

01:16:01.120 well I mean

01:16:03.300 you know

01:16:04.060 we talked about

01:16:04.480 this before

01:16:04.820 but like

01:16:05.120 I remember

01:16:05.560 the first time

01:16:06.000 I ever went to Russia

01:16:06.640 I was so shocked

01:16:08.920 by the immense

01:16:10.640 disparity

01:16:11.400 between what I had

01:16:12.600 been taught

01:16:13.040 to think

01:16:13.620 what Russia was like

01:16:14.860 and what I was

01:16:15.460 seeing in front

01:16:16.000 of my own eyes

01:16:16.760 and you know

01:16:17.600 you can go anywhere

01:16:18.480 and like you know

01:16:19.480 people come to Brazil

01:16:20.420 to Rio de Janeiro

01:16:21.180 and they only go

01:16:21.980 to the richest

01:16:22.400 neighborhoods

01:16:22.820 and they're like

01:16:23.200 oh it's

01:16:23.560 but you know

01:16:24.080 there's a whole

01:16:24.820 undergirding of misery

01:16:26.260 and suffering

01:16:26.820 that you don't see

01:16:27.640 because you don't go there

01:16:28.560 so I'm very cognizant

01:16:30.000 of that right

01:16:30.560 you can't go to a country

01:16:31.700 and spend like two days there

01:16:32.780 and be shown the best parts

01:16:34.200 and think like

01:16:34.860 oh wow

01:16:35.160 nonetheless

01:16:35.960 it's not only beautiful

01:16:39.740 it's extremely well run

01:16:41.440 it's clean

01:16:42.160 but the thing that

01:16:43.840 you know

01:16:44.420 that I felt like

01:16:45.720 was most present

01:16:47.980 was the

01:16:48.920 the richness

01:16:50.200 of Russian history

01:16:51.400 and culture

01:16:52.360 and tradition

01:16:53.180 I mean this is a

01:16:54.300 civilization

01:16:55.100 that has been around

01:16:56.060 for you know

01:16:56.880 thousands of years

01:16:58.060 and that has produced

01:16:59.120 the highest

01:17:00.480 in like literature

01:17:01.460 and music

01:17:02.340 and dance

01:17:03.300 and architecture

01:17:04.200 and I mean

01:17:05.500 and has been through

01:17:07.000 like wars

01:17:08.120 of like

01:17:09.020 like the most

01:17:10.540 difficult kind

01:17:11.660 and you just feel

01:17:12.980 the heaviness

01:17:13.660 of all of that

01:17:14.280 like the

01:17:14.680 the greatness

01:17:16.640 of it

01:17:17.260 and obviously

01:17:19.200 I understand

01:17:19.780 that there's

01:17:20.180 political repression

01:17:21.120 there

01:17:21.340 I understand

01:17:21.800 that there's

01:17:22.240 a huge

01:17:22.780 all kinds

01:17:23.640 of social problems

01:17:24.420 I'm not denying

01:17:25.820 any of that

01:17:26.240 that's true

01:17:26.660 everywhere

01:17:26.960 right

01:17:27.440 pretty much

01:17:28.760 but

01:17:29.460 you understand

01:17:31.340 why Russians

01:17:32.000 have

01:17:32.880 this immense

01:17:33.800 pride

01:17:34.300 in their

01:17:34.740 country

01:17:35.320 and in their

01:17:36.080 civilization

01:17:37.000 and

01:17:38.840 so it didn't feel

01:17:40.040 like a gas station

01:17:40.780 with nuclear weapons

01:17:41.660 as McCain said

01:17:43.000 exactly

01:17:43.520 right

01:17:44.460 I mean

01:17:44.880 has there ever

01:17:45.600 been an uglier

01:17:46.520 thing

01:17:47.260 than any politician

01:17:48.180 just a dumber

01:17:49.160 I mean

01:17:49.580 and McCain was dumb

01:17:50.700 I knew him very well

01:17:51.760 he was low IQ

01:17:53.280 totally

01:17:53.800 wasp

01:17:54.640 hate to say that

01:17:55.560 but it's true

01:17:56.000 with good qualities

01:17:58.360 he had good qualities

01:17:59.220 but he was an idiot

01:18:00.640 but to say something

01:18:02.440 like that out loud

01:18:03.500 is like

01:18:04.140 there's just

01:18:04.620 I don't know

01:18:06.060 like

01:18:06.500 if you're an idiot

01:18:07.640 keep it to yourself

01:18:08.520 a gas station

01:18:09.320 with nuclear weapons

01:18:10.200 it's just

01:18:10.560 ugh

01:18:10.840 yeah

01:18:11.240 I mean

01:18:11.520 that's what I mean

01:18:12.760 like

01:18:13.040 you

01:18:13.880 you know

01:18:14.860 you're taught in college

01:18:16.100 even

01:18:16.380 like the greatest literature

01:18:17.440 is like Tolstoy

01:18:18.320 and Dostoevsky

01:18:19.020 who are the greatest

01:18:19.740 novelists ever

01:18:20.540 and you know

01:18:21.180 which is true

01:18:22.260 I mean undoubtedly

01:18:23.400 and

01:18:24.680 also just the history

01:18:27.360 like the role

01:18:28.180 they played in World War II

01:18:29.500 and like the

01:18:30.400 Bolshevik revolution

01:18:32.160 and the

01:18:32.860 you know

01:18:33.500 the wars of the

01:18:35.140 the 17th and 18th centuries

01:18:36.880 and then

01:18:37.380 you know

01:18:37.780 the

01:18:38.220 like Moscow itself

01:18:39.640 and St. Petersburg

01:18:40.540 even more so

01:18:41.280 are so

01:18:42.220 you know

01:18:42.960 beautiful and striking

01:18:44.080 overwhelming

01:18:44.660 like

01:18:45.300 in a way that like

01:18:46.360 the best Western European cities are

01:18:48.340 you know

01:18:48.940 like the history of it

01:18:50.060 the grandness of it

01:18:51.740 and

01:18:53.260 so yeah

01:18:55.340 I mean

01:18:55.680 that

01:18:55.920 you have to go see things for yourself

01:18:57.460 and you start realizing

01:18:58.480 how much

01:18:58.960 you're

01:18:59.120 how much

01:18:59.780 you know

01:19:00.180 that

01:19:00.400 this

01:19:00.760 like

01:19:01.140 when I started writing about politics

01:19:02.380 I'll just tell you this quick story

01:19:03.380 I never intended to be a journalist

01:19:05.860 I didn't go to school for journalism

01:19:06.860 that was not part of my

01:19:07.740 my life plan

01:19:09.860 in any way

01:19:10.720 it was just after 9-11

01:19:12.440 you know

01:19:13.320 as I saw these radical changes

01:19:15.300 like

01:19:15.880 to

01:19:16.620 our civil liberties

01:19:17.860 and the name of fighting terrorism

01:19:19.160 but also just the climate

01:19:20.380 became so oppressive

01:19:21.460 in terms of what you could question

01:19:22.640 what you could say

01:19:23.440 that's when I started

01:19:25.320 feeling a need to want to

01:19:26.700 say things that I felt like

01:19:27.860 weren't being said

01:19:28.560 and

01:19:29.660 when I started doing that

01:19:31.160 more or less full time

01:19:32.980 it gave me the luxury

01:19:34.320 of

01:19:35.900 going and looking at things

01:19:37.680 so that I wasn't

01:19:38.540 being told by the New York Times

01:19:40.000 what a document said

01:19:40.940 I was able to go spend the three hours

01:19:42.460 to read the document

01:19:43.340 and when you go and do that

01:19:45.260 you have the like

01:19:45.940 luxury of that time

01:19:46.880 which most people don't have

01:19:47.640 they're taking care of their kids

01:19:48.420 they're working etc

01:19:49.220 you can't fight propaganda

01:19:50.680 if you don't

01:19:51.460 you know

01:19:51.700 have the resources

01:19:53.300 to do it

01:19:54.000 especially time

01:19:54.960 I started realizing

01:19:57.660 how many things

01:19:58.780 I had believed

01:20:00.060 and I had like a

01:20:01.360 you know

01:20:01.720 high opinion of my intellect

01:20:03.040 I thought I was like

01:20:03.840 a high-end political consumer

01:20:05.260 you know

01:20:05.740 I like lived in New York

01:20:06.800 I like went to good schools

01:20:08.080 in many ways

01:20:09.700 that makes it worse

01:20:10.600 not better

01:20:11.280 I have learned that

01:20:12.140 yeah

01:20:12.320 and so

01:20:13.200 you know

01:20:14.260 just going back

01:20:15.020 and

01:20:15.220 I basically decided

01:20:17.060 I had to dismantle

01:20:17.980 almost everything

01:20:18.980 because so much of it

01:20:20.780 was just ingested

01:20:21.940 through no critical faculty

01:20:24.300 but why would you want

01:20:25.200 to dismantle your assumptions

01:20:26.520 I mean that's such a painful process

01:20:28.220 it sucks

01:20:29.560 but why would you want that

01:20:30.940 why wouldn't you just say

01:20:31.780 you know

01:20:32.020 I believe what I believe

01:20:32.940 and that's it

01:20:33.560 like I decided in college

01:20:34.900 you know

01:20:35.240 this is like right after

01:20:37.100 9-11

01:20:38.000 and the war on terror

01:20:38.960 like the Iraq war

01:20:39.960 which everybody was kind of like

01:20:42.420 wait what just happened

01:20:43.700 we just went

01:20:44.620 and did this massive land war

01:20:46.340 this invasion on the other side

01:20:47.720 of the country

01:20:48.220 a country that had nothing

01:20:49.100 to do with 9-11

01:20:49.840 because we were told

01:20:50.940 they were somehow responsible

01:20:51.940 based on nuclear weapons

01:20:53.660 and chemical weapons

01:20:54.400 they actually didn't have

01:20:55.700 like everybody at that point

01:20:57.600 more or less

01:20:59.300 was starting to question

01:21:01.040 and you know

01:21:02.780 you feel angry and betrayed

01:21:04.200 when inside your brain

01:21:05.720 you're led to believe things

01:21:07.000 that are just false

01:21:08.740 yes

01:21:09.340 and you want to

01:21:10.980 expunge it from yourself

01:21:12.440 you want to

01:21:13.140 cleanse yourself of that

01:21:14.380 I think that's a virtuous

01:21:17.200 response

01:21:18.900 well I think you've done that

01:21:19.880 that has been

01:21:20.640 I have

01:21:21.080 it took a little longer

01:21:22.320 but yeah

01:21:22.900 and it was

01:21:23.320 because you were so much more

01:21:24.540 immersed

01:21:24.760 it was a little more painful

01:21:25.820 yeah

01:21:26.100 it was right in the middle of it

01:21:27.260 but a lot of people

01:21:29.360 you know

01:21:29.720 didn't do

01:21:30.060 I just want to

01:21:30.540 call to the attention

01:21:31.660 of listeners

01:21:32.280 how rare

01:21:33.220 what you did was

01:21:34.340 and that

01:21:34.880 process of self-examination

01:21:36.540 which is the root of wisdom

01:21:37.640 is unusual

01:21:39.820 people just don't want to deal with it

01:21:41.100 like Jake Tapper saying

01:21:42.460 I look upon my

01:21:43.520 some of my coverage

01:21:44.640 with humility

01:21:45.440 like that fake

01:21:46.840 kind of like

01:21:47.720 well there's really nothing

01:21:49.120 more galling than fake humility

01:21:50.520 I mean that's the

01:21:51.120 that's like

01:21:51.740 meta-fake

01:21:52.460 scripted

01:21:52.960 scripted fake humility

01:21:54.340 because

01:21:55.680 like the one thing you hope

01:21:56.960 is real is humility

01:21:57.860 but

01:21:58.960 it's not

01:21:59.860 so I got to ask you about something

01:22:01.420 so

01:22:01.680 because of AI

01:22:02.840 I'm a little suspicious

01:22:04.800 of things I see on the internet

01:22:06.060 because

01:22:06.580 could that really be real

01:22:07.600 so someone sent this to me

01:22:08.580 the other day

01:22:09.000 this is a person

01:22:10.780 who I confirmed

01:22:12.040 is a real person

01:22:12.880 I didn't believe it at first

01:22:13.960 Congressman Randy Fine

01:22:16.300 of

01:22:17.140 of Florida

01:22:18.440 and he said this the other day

01:22:19.660 on Fox News

01:22:20.680 last week

01:22:21.400 quote

01:22:21.840 in World War II

01:22:23.140 we did not negotiate a surrender

01:22:24.820 with the Nazis

01:22:25.620 we did not negotiate a surrender

01:22:27.260 with the Japanese

01:22:27.920 we nuked

01:22:29.020 the Japanese twice

01:22:30.500 in order to get

01:22:31.560 unconditional surrender

01:22:32.620 that needs to be the same here

01:22:34.400 in Gaza

01:22:34.920 there is something

01:22:36.160 deeply wrong with this culture

01:22:37.480 and it needs to be defeated

01:22:38.680 so

01:22:40.220 we're going to nuke Gaza

01:22:41.800 because of its culture

01:22:43.340 we're going to kill everybody

01:22:44.380 because we don't like the culture

01:22:45.380 which by the way

01:22:46.020 lots of Christians in Gaza

01:22:47.800 Muslims in Gaza

01:22:49.300 just innocent people in Gaza

01:22:50.960 of all kinds

01:22:51.560 of course

01:22:51.980 but like to say there's some

01:22:53.100 like Gazan culture

01:22:54.520 that's cohesive

01:22:55.140 it's like what

01:22:55.900 but we're going to

01:22:57.140 kill them all

01:22:58.140 because

01:22:59.360 we don't like their culture

01:23:01.080 and so I didn't believe

01:23:02.600 that was real

01:23:03.100 I didn't really think

01:23:03.820 he was a member of Congress

01:23:04.860 I texted

01:23:05.880 he's newly elected

01:23:06.780 like in the last

01:23:07.460 he filled Matt

01:23:08.360 I think it was Mike Waltz

01:23:10.060 or Matt Gage's seat

01:23:11.060 one or the other

01:23:11.680 it was Waltz

01:23:13.020 Waltz yeah

01:23:13.640 so I texted a friend of mine

01:23:14.940 in Congress

01:23:15.240 is this really a member of Congress

01:23:16.340 yes

01:23:16.780 it's like I don't even know

01:23:18.300 what to say to that

01:23:18.980 but that first of all

01:23:19.760 it's evil

01:23:20.540 but how can you say

01:23:22.360 something like that

01:23:22.720 and not get expelled

01:23:23.320 from Congress

01:23:23.980 or the Republican

01:23:24.540 how can that person

01:23:25.240 be a member

01:23:25.620 of the Republican Party

01:23:26.440 I don't understand

01:23:28.180 so let me say two things

01:23:29.220 about that

01:23:29.740 and yes

01:23:30.720 Randy Fine is very real

01:23:32.140 I've been watching him

01:23:32.940 for a while now

01:23:33.820 ever since Trump

01:23:34.460 endorsed him

01:23:35.020 as this America First candidate

01:23:36.560 he had served

01:23:38.300 in the Florida Senate

01:23:40.020 in the Florida legislature

01:23:41.520 maybe the Florida House

01:23:42.900 but one of those two bodies

01:23:44.300 so he was a member

01:23:45.060 of the Florida

01:23:45.520 hates

01:23:47.440 DeSantis hates him

01:23:48.480 he hates DeSantis

01:23:49.200 he like has a

01:23:50.660 feud with DeSantis

01:23:52.200 and

01:23:53.600 his entire

01:23:55.060 political existence

01:23:58.000 is centered around

01:23:58.660 a foreign country

01:23:59.340 which is Israel

01:24:00.040 not the United States

01:24:01.240 he barely ever talks

01:24:02.020 about the United States

01:24:02.840 so that's America First

01:24:04.140 right

01:24:04.500 America First

01:24:05.380 so let me just say two things

01:24:06.840 one is this broader point

01:24:08.180 and then I want to get

01:24:08.620 the more important one

01:24:09.980 I started noticing this

01:24:11.160 in like 2006

01:24:12.140 2007

01:24:12.600 and I know you

01:24:13.460 hear this all the time

01:24:14.840 World War II

01:24:17.820 was one of the worst things

01:24:20.320 that has ever happened

01:24:20.940 to humanity

01:24:21.480 and the reason

01:24:23.180 it happened

01:24:24.660 was because

01:24:25.220 you had

01:24:25.800 these massive

01:24:27.240 military powers

01:24:28.220 with these new technologies

01:24:29.960 that had never

01:24:30.680 previously been used

01:24:31.660 in war

01:24:32.100 engaged in mass destruction

01:24:33.480 and a madman

01:24:34.820 who was

01:24:36.920 leading

01:24:38.880 and had started

01:24:39.520 the war

01:24:39.820 for all kinds of reasons

01:24:41.020 and you had

01:24:42.260 the world's

01:24:42.820 most powerful factions

01:24:43.720 throughout the world

01:24:44.580 destroying each other

01:24:45.800 in the most inhumane way

01:24:47.160 to the point

01:24:47.980 where we not only

01:24:48.620 used nuclear weapons

01:24:49.360 but after the war

01:24:50.240 was over

01:24:50.860 we decided

01:24:52.080 we never wanted

01:24:53.160 to have a war

01:24:53.880 like that again

01:24:54.700 we imposed

01:24:55.960 by convention

01:24:56.700 we agreed

01:24:57.280 to all sorts of limits

01:24:58.560 through the Geneva Convention

01:25:00.100 and all these other

01:25:00.840 treaties and conventions

01:25:02.500 ways to make sure

01:25:03.700 that what happened

01:25:04.560 in World War II

01:25:05.280 never happens again

01:25:06.500 the people

01:25:07.680 who got blamed for it

01:25:08.980 it was a form

01:25:09.480 of victor's justice

01:25:10.200 at Nuremberg

01:25:10.940 were put to death

01:25:11.960 but at the same time

01:25:12.780 the Nuremberg trial

01:25:13.560 the judges

01:25:15.580 and prosecutors

01:25:16.160 said the only way

01:25:17.480 the principles

01:25:18.560 that we're pronouncing

01:25:19.440 here at the Nuremberg trials

01:25:20.500 will have any value

01:25:21.740 as anything

01:25:22.460 other than victor's justice

01:25:23.400 is if the principles

01:25:25.240 were enunciating

01:25:26.460 applied to all countries

01:25:27.840 in the future

01:25:28.400 including the part

01:25:29.440 of the countries

01:25:30.140 presiding

01:25:30.760 over the tribunal

01:25:32.180 it was meant

01:25:32.680 to enunciate

01:25:34.680 universal principles

01:25:36.200 that all countries

01:25:37.160 agreed to on earth

01:25:37.900 because it was so

01:25:39.080 inhumane

01:25:40.740 like it just stripped

01:25:41.660 everybody of their humanity

01:25:42.940 and yet

01:25:44.140 so every time

01:25:45.020 we have a new war

01:25:45.840 where someone

01:25:47.460 wants to sell

01:25:48.120 a new war

01:25:48.600 in the United States

01:25:49.540 the only

01:25:50.680 historical framework

01:25:52.480 that they'll use

01:25:53.260 as if they only

01:25:54.080 studied one thing

01:25:54.920 in high school

01:25:55.720 and college

01:25:56.120 like the only thing

01:25:56.940 they know

01:25:57.300 is World War II

01:25:58.080 and either you're

01:25:59.240 on the side of Churchill

01:25:59.900 and they know nothing

01:25:59.960 about World War II

01:26:00.860 by the way

01:26:01.300 no but they know

01:26:02.020 all they know

01:26:02.680 is that

01:26:03.120 the Wikipedia version

01:26:03.820 Churchill is good

01:26:04.920 because he went

01:26:06.120 and fought

01:26:06.700 and Chamberlain is bad

01:26:08.340 because he tried

01:26:09.080 to use diplomacy

01:26:10.000 I wrote an article

01:26:11.420 about this

01:26:11.760 when like six months

01:26:12.740 after I started

01:26:13.240 writing about politics

01:26:13.920 in 2006

01:26:14.740 how everything

01:26:15.660 was had

01:26:16.940 like superimposed

01:26:18.200 on it was

01:26:18.920 the framework

01:26:20.000 of World War II

01:26:20.720 and you are either

01:26:21.380 Churchill or Chamberlain

01:26:22.760 and you choose

01:26:23.580 one or the other

01:26:24.300 and neocons

01:26:24.900 to this very day

01:26:25.860 by which I mean

01:26:27.140 people who always

01:26:27.800 want the United States

01:26:28.460 to go to war

01:26:28.940 in the Middle East

01:26:29.460 and elsewhere

01:26:29.880 the minute

01:26:30.900 you say you're not

01:26:32.220 interested in war

01:26:32.840 you're Chamberlain

01:26:33.600 and the minute

01:26:34.840 that you want

01:26:35.660 to go to war

01:26:36.100 you're heroic

01:26:36.900 Churchill

01:26:37.340 and so the idea

01:26:38.680 that because we use

01:26:39.760 nuclear weapons

01:26:40.940 against Japan

01:26:43.520 Imperial Japan

01:26:44.600 filled with

01:26:45.920 enormous amounts

01:26:47.040 of skill

01:26:48.080 and money

01:26:48.520 and know-how

01:26:49.140 and a massive

01:26:49.820 military force

01:26:50.760 allied with Nazi Germany

01:26:52.160 one of the most

01:26:52.980 industrialized military

01:26:53.840 forces ever

01:26:54.880 that because we

01:26:57.260 ended the war

01:26:57.800 with nuclear weapons

01:26:58.620 then we're supposed

01:27:00.480 to now use it

01:27:01.300 on a completely

01:27:02.260 defenseless population

01:27:03.380 of two million

01:27:04.100 people

01:27:04.860 half of whom

01:27:05.460 are children

01:27:05.940 who have no army

01:27:06.900 of any kind

01:27:07.520 can't even break

01:27:08.220 out of Gaza

01:27:08.760 let alone threaten

01:27:09.500 any other country

01:27:10.220 in the world

01:27:10.660 is absolutely demented

01:27:11.900 but that is one

01:27:13.180 of the war propaganda

01:27:14.400 themes that are

01:27:15.760 always used

01:27:16.320 is everything

01:27:16.940 is World War II

01:27:17.780 and that's the only

01:27:19.060 word that we

01:27:20.380 can reference

01:27:21.640 even though at the time

01:27:22.660 the idea was

01:27:23.380 we have to prevent

01:27:24.120 all this from

01:27:24.640 ever happening again

01:27:25.320 they want to

01:27:26.140 replicate it eternally

01:27:27.520 but I don't know

01:27:28.120 that I can support

01:27:28.920 a party with someone

01:27:29.840 like Randy Fine

01:27:30.680 I don't understand

01:27:32.220 like how could

01:27:32.820 someone Randy Fine

01:27:33.900 I mean that's

01:27:34.860 so disgusting

01:27:35.800 it's demented

01:27:36.460 it's that is

01:27:37.660 that is

01:27:38.240 that is psychotic

01:27:39.580 to say that

01:27:40.500 does anyone say that

01:27:41.720 about Randy Fine

01:27:43.320 well here's

01:27:45.060 I think Randy Fine

01:27:46.580 is such an important

01:27:47.420 despite his

01:27:49.620 how repulsive he is

01:27:50.960 ethically

01:27:52.100 morally

01:27:52.440 and physically

01:27:53.040 despite that

01:27:54.500 I think he's a

01:27:55.280 very important

01:27:55.940 instrument for

01:27:57.080 looking at this

01:27:58.100 radical contradiction

01:27:59.780 within the

01:28:00.680 Republican Party

01:28:01.340 and especially

01:28:01.900 the the America

01:28:02.700 First movement

01:28:03.320 so Donald Trump

01:28:04.880 and obviously

01:28:06.500 there were a lot

01:28:06.900 of Republicans

01:28:07.260 who wanted to run

01:28:07.820 for that Mike

01:28:08.460 Walt seat

01:28:08.940 and for the Matt

01:28:09.620 Gates seat

01:28:10.020 and whoever

01:28:10.540 Trump endorses

01:28:11.340 is essentially

01:28:12.200 guaranteed

01:28:12.500 to be the winner

01:28:13.500 and he endorsed

01:28:14.700 Randy Fine

01:28:15.260 and said

01:28:16.400 Randy Fine

01:28:16.980 is all America

01:28:17.860 first

01:28:18.380 and I remember

01:28:19.460 the day that

01:28:20.080 that happened

01:28:20.660 thinking

01:28:21.480 Randy Fine

01:28:23.240 actually is

01:28:24.440 not even

01:28:25.220 concerned about

01:28:26.080 America

01:28:26.600 let alone

01:28:27.140 placing it first

01:28:27.940 his entire

01:28:28.520 political existence

01:28:29.340 is driven

01:28:31.160 by loyalty

01:28:31.760 to a foreign

01:28:32.460 country

01:28:32.900 everything for him

01:28:34.260 is Israel

01:28:34.760 everything

01:28:35.500 and to

01:28:37.500 like even

01:28:38.620 to an extent

01:28:39.580 that is very

01:28:40.140 severe

01:28:40.580 for a Congress

01:28:41.740 that in general

01:28:44.020 prioritizes Israel

01:28:45.080 to a shocking

01:28:45.780 amount

01:28:46.120 I can't think

01:28:46.740 of a foreign

01:28:47.180 country

01:28:47.620 that is as

01:28:48.960 important

01:28:49.460 to as Israel

01:28:51.380 is to the United

01:28:51.780 States

01:28:52.060 that has any

01:28:52.820 other kind

01:28:53.440 of foreign

01:28:53.720 country

01:28:54.060 placing its

01:28:54.660 interest

01:28:55.120 on par

01:28:55.620 with if not

01:28:56.080 above it

01:28:56.560 and so

01:28:57.460 here you have

01:28:58.580 a member

01:28:59.960 of the Republican

01:29:00.320 Party

01:29:00.700 who identifies

01:29:01.900 as America

01:29:02.320 first

01:29:02.780 who Donald

01:29:03.980 Trump endorses

01:29:04.800 a member

01:29:05.120 of America

01:29:05.720 first

01:29:06.160 and whose

01:29:06.680 loyalty

01:29:07.040 is to a

01:29:07.620 foreign

01:29:07.800 country

01:29:08.180 who wants

01:29:08.660 to have

01:29:09.340 the American

01:29:09.740 worker

01:29:10.040 fund

01:29:10.360 that foreign

01:29:10.760 country

01:29:11.180 wants the

01:29:12.200 American

01:29:12.440 worker

01:29:12.680 to pay

01:29:13.040 for their

01:29:13.340 military

01:29:13.820 give $4

01:29:14.920 billion

01:29:15.180 automatically

01:29:16.120 every year

01:29:16.680 in a deal

01:29:17.000 negotiated by

01:29:17.780 Obama and

01:29:18.340 Netanyahu

01:29:18.760 when Obama

01:29:19.320 was on his

01:29:19.800 way out

01:29:20.180 and every

01:29:21.740 time Israel

01:29:22.300 wants to have

01:29:22.760 a new war

01:29:23.100 we send them

01:29:23.580 whatever they

01:29:24.000 want

01:29:24.240 billions more

01:29:24.900 we feed

01:29:25.600 them all

01:29:25.840 these weapons

01:29:26.480 paid for

01:29:26.920 by the

01:29:27.180 American

01:29:27.380 taxpayer

01:29:27.820 we isolate

01:29:29.380 ourselves

01:29:29.800 from the

01:29:30.080 rest of

01:29:30.320 the world

01:29:30.620 we block

01:29:31.080 every UN

01:29:31.940 resolution

01:29:32.840 that the

01:29:33.200 entire

01:29:33.520 world

01:29:33.800 supports

01:29:34.380 in order

01:29:34.880 to tie

01:29:35.720 ourselves

01:29:36.080 to Israel

01:29:36.600 we lose

01:29:37.000 our own

01:29:37.320 standing

01:29:37.720 our own

01:29:38.100 soft power

01:29:38.700 our own

01:29:39.180 imagery

01:29:39.520 in the

01:29:39.800 world

01:29:40.060 we lose

01:29:41.180 massive

01:29:42.300 amounts

01:29:42.620 of money

01:29:43.080 all sorts

01:29:44.340 of people

01:29:44.840 have said

01:29:45.180 that the

01:29:45.480 reason

01:29:45.940 we have

01:29:47.060 there's so

01:29:47.440 much anti-American

01:29:48.100 hatred in the

01:29:48.640 Middle East

01:29:49.060 the reason

01:29:49.660 why

01:29:50.060 people want

01:29:51.900 to attack

01:29:52.220 our country

01:29:52.720 the reason

01:29:53.100 why we

01:29:53.400 can't get

01:29:53.840 things done

01:29:54.280 in the

01:29:54.460 Middle East

01:29:54.800 a region

01:29:55.600 where we

01:29:55.800 have a lot

01:29:56.080 of interest

01:29:56.560 is because

01:29:57.480 of the

01:29:57.860 hatred

01:29:58.120 for the

01:29:58.480 United

01:29:58.620 States

01:29:58.980 driven

01:29:59.280 primarily

01:29:59.740 by our

01:30:00.620 standing

01:30:01.640 behind

01:30:01.960 and doing

01:30:02.320 everything

01:30:02.760 for Israel

01:30:03.500 Bin Laden

01:30:03.740 said that

01:30:04.280 in his

01:30:04.580 manifesto

01:30:05.200 he spelled

01:30:05.820 it out

01:30:06.300 I just

01:30:07.580 can we

01:30:08.340 just talk

01:30:08.780 one second

01:30:09.340 about the

01:30:09.960 fact that

01:30:10.740 Bin Laden

01:30:12.940 wrote a

01:30:14.100 note to the

01:30:14.600 American people

01:30:15.300 explaining

01:30:16.160 why

01:30:17.500 Al Qaeda

01:30:18.880 was driven

01:30:19.300 to attack

01:30:19.780 the United

01:30:20.020 States

01:30:20.480 and

01:30:22.140 there were

01:30:22.860 some religious

01:30:23.340 references

01:30:23.740 obviously

01:30:24.340 because

01:30:24.860 Al Qaeda

01:30:25.360 is a

01:30:26.200 nominally

01:30:26.940 religious

01:30:27.320 organization

01:30:27.960 but

01:30:29.160 overwhelmingly

01:30:29.740 he listed

01:30:30.720 very specific

01:30:31.540 grievances

01:30:32.340 with American

01:30:32.880 foreign

01:30:33.160 policy

01:30:33.580 all having

01:30:34.100 to do

01:30:34.320 with the

01:30:34.560 fact that

01:30:34.900 we

01:30:35.180 constantly

01:30:35.980 interfere

01:30:36.440 in that

01:30:36.680 region

01:30:36.900 we place

01:30:37.440 military

01:30:38.460 bases

01:30:39.140 on

01:30:39.440 sacred

01:30:40.000 Saudi

01:30:40.540 soil

01:30:41.020 we

01:30:42.140 imposed

01:30:42.580 a

01:30:42.760 sanctioned

01:30:43.240 regime

01:30:43.500 on Iraq

01:30:44.100 for years

01:30:44.740 that killed

01:30:45.280 500,000

01:30:46.260 Iraqi

01:30:47.140 children

01:30:47.720 that

01:30:47.960 Madeline

01:30:48.280 Albright

01:30:48.660 said

01:30:49.360 was worth

01:30:49.840 it

01:30:50.080 we

01:30:51.020 overthrow

01:30:51.860 their

01:30:52.280 leaders

01:30:53.380 and impose

01:30:54.160 the ones

01:30:54.520 that we

01:30:54.800 want

01:30:55.040 that then

01:30:55.380 serve

01:30:55.780 the

01:30:55.980 interests

01:30:56.280 of the

01:30:56.440 United

01:30:56.580 States

01:30:56.920 and

01:30:57.060 Israel

01:30:57.360 and

01:30:58.380 we

01:30:58.860 fund

01:30:59.800 and arm

01:31:00.100 Israel

01:31:00.420 to

01:31:00.820 repress

01:31:01.620 and kill

01:31:01.940 Palestinians

01:31:02.540 and he

01:31:03.100 said

01:31:03.260 that

01:31:03.500 it's

01:31:03.880 not

01:31:04.080 that

01:31:04.300 you're

01:31:04.600 some

01:31:04.800 country

01:31:05.160 that's

01:31:05.420 just

01:31:05.560 sitting

01:31:05.760 there

01:31:05.940 peacefully

01:31:06.300 and that

01:31:07.320 never

01:31:07.740 bothers

01:31:08.080 us

01:31:08.300 and we

01:31:08.500 decided

01:31:08.800 hey

01:31:09.040 look over

01:31:09.440 there

01:31:09.660 they let

01:31:10.240 their

01:31:10.640 women wear

01:31:11.380 bikinis

01:31:11.800 so we

01:31:12.120 better go

01:31:12.440 and attack

01:31:12.840 them

01:31:13.140 right

01:31:13.440 like we

01:31:13.720 were

01:31:13.820 attacked

01:31:14.040 for our

01:31:14.320 freedom

01:31:14.560 so he

01:31:15.460 so he

01:31:15.480 writes

01:31:15.700 this

01:31:15.880 letter

01:31:16.140 I

01:31:16.580 remember

01:31:16.860 the

01:31:17.000 letter

01:31:17.140 at

01:31:17.260 the

01:31:17.340 time

01:31:17.660 he

01:31:18.680 was

01:31:18.840 interviewed

01:31:19.160 by

01:31:19.920 Al Jazeera

01:31:22.000 and previously

01:31:22.800 by

01:31:23.340 by

01:31:25.460 the

01:31:25.780 New Yorker

01:31:26.420 so we

01:31:27.880 got to hear

01:31:28.220 from Osama

01:31:28.640 bin Laden

01:31:29.000 although

01:31:30.320 right after

01:31:31.220 9-11

01:31:31.700 the US

01:31:32.900 government

01:31:33.240 told

01:31:33.920 media

01:31:34.900 outlets

01:31:35.300 do not

01:31:35.920 broadcast

01:31:36.640 any speeches

01:31:37.340 or interviews

01:31:37.960 with Osama

01:31:38.780 bin Laden

01:31:39.280 and their

01:31:39.820 reasoning

01:31:40.180 was

01:31:40.740 we're

01:31:41.380 concerned

01:31:42.000 that he

01:31:42.820 may have

01:31:43.200 embedded

01:31:43.620 within

01:31:44.000 his

01:31:44.500 speech

01:31:45.040 some

01:31:45.680 sort

01:31:45.920 of

01:31:46.060 secret

01:31:46.400 code

01:31:46.760 that

01:31:46.940 will

01:31:47.100 activate

01:31:47.660 sleeper

01:31:48.180 cells

01:31:48.560 inside

01:31:49.000 the

01:31:49.160 United

01:31:49.320 States

01:31:49.600 like he

01:31:49.860 was

01:31:49.960 going to

01:31:50.180 blank

01:31:50.480 Morse

01:31:50.800 code

01:31:51.200 or like

01:31:52.340 have

01:31:52.740 secret

01:31:53.360 phrases

01:31:53.860 and then

01:31:54.400 people

01:31:54.600 inside

01:31:54.860 the

01:31:54.960 United

01:31:55.100 States

01:31:55.320 would

01:31:55.440 hear

01:31:55.580 it

01:31:55.680 so

01:31:55.760 they

01:31:55.880 told

01:31:56.140 ABC

01:31:56.500 CBS

01:31:56.980 NBC

01:31:57.360 Fox

01:31:57.860 CNN

01:31:58.200 do

01:31:58.980 not

01:31:59.240 air

01:31:59.480 any

01:31:59.700 interviews

01:32:00.380 with

01:32:00.620 bin Laden

01:32:00.940 when

01:32:01.160 of course

01:32:01.580 it was

01:32:01.760 because

01:32:01.980 they

01:32:02.140 didn't

01:32:02.320 want

01:32:02.620 Americans

01:32:03.100 to

01:32:03.480 hear

01:32:03.880 from

01:32:04.220 bin

01:32:04.440 Laden

01:32:04.720 why

01:32:05.660 there

01:32:05.820 was

01:32:05.960 so

01:32:06.100 much

01:32:06.260 anti-American

01:32:06.880 sentiment

01:32:07.260 it was

01:32:07.500 because

01:32:07.740 of our

01:32:07.960 interference

01:32:08.360 in the

01:32:08.600 Middle East

01:32:08.940 in general

01:32:09.400 and our

01:32:09.680 support

01:32:09.920 for Israel

01:32:10.360 in particular

01:32:10.860 they were

01:32:11.580 selling this

01:32:12.040 lie

01:32:12.300 that it

01:32:12.540 was

01:32:12.660 because

01:32:13.080 we're

01:32:13.920 free

01:32:14.160 and they

01:32:14.400 hate

01:32:14.560 our

01:32:14.700 freedom

01:32:14.960 there

01:32:15.140 are

01:32:15.220 a lot

01:32:15.420 of

01:32:15.520 countries

01:32:15.800 that

01:32:15.960 are

01:32:16.060 free

01:32:16.360 like

01:32:16.980 Brazil

01:32:17.400 women

01:32:17.680 walk

01:32:17.900 around

01:32:18.060 in

01:32:18.160 bikinis

01:32:18.580 they

01:32:19.180 have

01:32:19.360 elections

01:32:20.020 Al Qaeda

01:32:20.420 has never

01:32:20.780 attacked

01:32:21.080 Brazil

01:32:21.520 or

01:32:22.480 Japan

01:32:22.920 or

01:32:23.300 South

01:32:23.500 Korea

01:32:23.880 or

01:32:24.660 Norway

01:32:25.060 and

01:32:26.560 bin

01:32:27.060 Laden

01:32:27.220 was

01:32:27.420 explaining

01:32:27.820 why

01:32:28.280 there's

01:32:28.680 so

01:32:28.820 many

01:32:28.940 Muslims

01:32:29.240 in

01:32:29.440 that

01:32:29.580 region

01:32:29.800 who

01:32:29.940 hate

01:32:30.060 the

01:32:30.160 United

01:32:30.260 States

01:32:30.560 but

01:32:31.040 the

01:32:31.340 United

01:32:31.500 States

01:32:31.680 government

01:32:31.940 didn't

01:32:32.220 want

01:32:32.500 anyone

01:32:32.980 to

01:32:33.160 hear

01:32:33.340 it

01:32:33.580 20

01:32:35.060 years

01:32:35.340 later

01:32:35.700 while

01:32:36.700 October

01:32:37.860 7th

01:32:38.260 happened

01:32:38.500 and

01:32:38.660 we're

01:32:38.780 supporting

01:32:39.180 this

01:32:40.260 ethnic

01:32:41.440 cleansing

01:32:41.840 and I

01:32:42.380 would

01:32:42.500 call it

01:32:42.800 now

01:32:43.020 a

01:32:43.220 genocide

01:32:43.480 as

01:32:43.780 well

01:32:44.040 in

01:32:44.640 Gaza

01:32:44.980 that's

01:32:45.360 what

01:32:45.460 most

01:32:45.820 genocidal

01:32:47.540 experts

01:32:47.860 including

01:32:48.220 Israelis

01:32:48.640 and Jewish

01:32:49.100 ones

01:32:49.380 call it

01:32:49.880 it's

01:32:50.360 hard to

01:32:50.740 say

01:32:51.040 anything

01:32:51.260 else

01:32:51.440 but

01:32:51.620 whatever

01:32:52.040 in the

01:32:53.860 middle

01:32:53.980 of all

01:32:54.200 that

01:32:54.500 a

01:32:55.440 bunch

01:32:55.620 of

01:32:55.740 young

01:32:55.900 people

01:32:56.300 who

01:32:57.180 were

01:32:57.300 told

01:32:57.520 the

01:32:57.660 history

01:32:57.980 of

01:32:58.200 9-11

01:32:58.660 that

01:32:59.180 the

01:32:59.320 U.S.

01:32:59.540 government

01:32:59.760 wanted

01:33:00.080 everyone

01:33:00.360 to

01:33:00.560 believe

01:33:00.880 discovered

01:33:02.200 the

01:33:02.900 Bin Laden

01:33:03.220 letter

01:33:03.460 because

01:33:03.700 it was

01:33:03.900 on

01:33:04.020 the

01:33:04.120 Guardian's

01:33:04.520 website

01:33:04.940 because

01:33:05.660 the

01:33:05.760 Guardian's

01:33:06.040 a

01:33:06.160 British

01:33:06.360 newspaper

01:33:06.780 it was

01:33:07.400 no

01:33:07.680 American

01:33:08.540 news

01:33:08.780 out

01:33:08.960 despite

01:33:09.460 its

01:33:09.640 historical

01:33:10.060 importance

01:33:10.660 and

01:33:11.440 they

01:33:11.540 started

01:33:11.760 passing

01:33:12.120 it

01:33:12.260 around

01:33:12.580 on

01:33:13.060 TikTok

01:33:13.360 and

01:33:14.920 saying

01:33:15.180 oh

01:33:15.460 wow

01:33:15.660 I

01:33:15.860 never

01:33:16.220 knew

01:33:16.460 any

01:33:16.620 of

01:33:16.760 this

01:33:16.980 I

01:33:17.120 never

01:33:17.380 understood

01:33:17.900 that

01:33:18.240 one

01:33:18.640 of

01:33:18.720 the

01:33:18.840 reasons

01:33:19.200 why

01:33:19.720 these

01:33:20.120 people

01:33:20.360 attacked

01:33:20.760 us

01:33:21.220 was

01:33:21.940 because

01:33:22.220 we

01:33:22.720 are

01:33:23.280 so

01:33:23.520 monomaniacally

01:33:24.300 devoted

01:33:25.860 to

01:33:26.080 Israel

01:33:26.520 and

01:33:27.500 why

01:33:27.720 we're

01:33:28.100 constantly

01:33:28.440 interfering

01:33:28.860 in that

01:33:29.080 region

01:33:29.320 bombing

01:33:29.660 them

01:33:30.000 sanctions

01:33:30.560 overthrowing

01:33:31.120 their

01:33:31.260 government

01:33:31.660 overthrowing

01:33:32.320 their

01:33:32.440 leaders

01:33:32.740 what

01:33:33.280 of

01:33:33.600 course

01:33:33.800 people

01:33:34.060 are

01:33:34.200 going

01:33:34.300 to

01:33:34.500 get

01:33:34.760 angry

01:33:34.960 at

01:33:35.100 us

01:33:35.220 and

01:33:35.320 want

01:33:35.420 to

01:33:35.500 attack

01:33:35.740 back

01:33:36.100 and

01:33:37.060 the

01:33:37.200 minute

01:33:37.540 that

01:33:37.880 letter

01:33:38.160 started

01:33:38.460 to

01:33:38.600 become

01:33:38.900 well

01:33:39.360 read

01:33:39.780 by

01:33:40.460 the

01:33:40.620 American

01:33:40.860 people

01:33:41.620 who

01:33:41.780 were

01:33:41.960 primarily

01:33:42.700 younger

01:33:43.160 the

01:33:44.360 U.S.

01:33:44.580 government

01:33:44.840 went

01:33:45.120 ballistic

01:33:45.580 and

01:33:46.140 demanded

01:33:46.700 that

01:33:46.980 TikTok

01:33:47.320 ban

01:33:48.880 it

01:33:49.140 the

01:33:49.580 Guardian

01:33:50.000 a

01:33:50.420 news

01:33:50.920 outlet

01:33:51.280 immediately

01:33:51.820 took

01:33:52.220 the

01:33:52.400 letter

01:33:52.620 off

01:33:53.240 their

01:33:53.440 website

01:33:53.900 so

01:33:54.200 nobody

01:33:54.440 could

01:33:54.660 read

01:33:54.840 it

01:33:54.940 any

01:33:55.080 longer

01:33:55.300 all

01:33:55.560 those

01:33:55.800 links

01:33:56.080 that

01:33:56.260 people

01:33:56.460 were

01:33:56.600 posting

01:33:56.880 on

01:33:57.040 TikTok

01:33:57.260 to

01:33:57.520 go

01:33:57.660 read

01:33:57.820 that

01:33:57.980 letter

01:33:58.180 would

01:33:58.360 no

01:33:58.520 longer

01:33:58.740 work

01:33:59.140 and

01:34:00.120 then

01:34:00.280 TikTok

01:34:00.560 immediately

01:34:01.060 under

01:34:01.340 pressure

01:34:01.580 from

01:34:01.740 the

01:34:01.800 U.S.

01:34:02.020 government

01:34:02.200 which

01:34:02.420 was

01:34:02.540 obviously

01:34:02.800 already

01:34:03.020 threatened

01:34:03.280 to

01:34:03.500 close

01:34:04.080 TikTok

01:34:04.360 and

01:34:04.640 ban

01:34:04.820 it

01:34:04.900 from

01:34:05.020 the

01:34:05.100 United

01:34:05.200 States

01:34:05.400 anyway

01:34:05.720 started

01:34:06.680 banning

01:34:07.000 all

01:34:07.140 the

01:34:07.260 hashtags

01:34:07.800 bin

01:34:08.200 Laden

01:34:08.380 letter

01:34:08.700 you

01:34:08.960 could

01:34:09.140 not

01:34:09.440 anymore

01:34:09.940 read

01:34:10.300 or

01:34:10.440 I mean

01:34:10.880 this

01:34:11.160 is

01:34:11.540 like

01:34:12.200 the

01:34:12.700 stuff

01:34:12.940 we're

01:34:13.080 taught

01:34:13.320 that

01:34:13.480 the

01:34:13.700 Soviets

01:34:14.120 did

01:34:14.560 right

01:34:14.960 like

01:34:15.220 hiding

01:34:15.920 letters

01:34:16.400 hiding

01:34:16.920 documents

01:34:17.620 erasing

01:34:18.200 history

01:34:18.760 and

01:34:19.980 I

01:34:20.240 continue

01:34:20.720 to be

01:34:21.120 shocked

01:34:21.520 by that

01:34:21.900 by that

01:34:22.580 event

01:34:23.320 that

01:34:23.620 everybody

01:34:24.060 thought

01:34:24.380 that

01:34:24.500 that

01:34:24.620 was

01:34:24.800 fine

01:34:25.300 to

01:34:26.280 take

01:34:26.620 a

01:34:26.940 letter

01:34:27.660 that

01:34:28.020 is

01:34:28.160 of

01:34:28.300 great

01:34:28.560 historical

01:34:29.020 importance

01:34:29.760 yes

01:34:30.160 from

01:34:31.340 the

01:34:31.640 person

01:34:31.940 that

01:34:32.300 is

01:34:33.340 alleged

01:34:34.060 to

01:34:34.280 have

01:34:34.560 been

01:34:34.880 responsible

01:34:35.360 for

01:34:35.780 the

01:34:36.240 single

01:34:36.460 worst

01:34:36.680 attack

01:34:37.140 American

01:34:37.400 soil

01:34:37.640 maybe

01:34:37.860 on

01:34:38.060 par

01:34:38.240 with

01:34:38.460 Pearl

01:34:38.800 Harbor

01:34:39.040 but

01:34:39.260 in

01:34:39.620 terms

01:34:39.840 of

01:34:40.000 like

01:34:40.160 a

01:34:40.280 single

01:34:40.440 day

01:34:40.620 casualty

01:34:41.080 count

01:34:41.340 explaining

01:34:43.360 from his

01:34:43.760 perspective

01:34:44.220 why he

01:34:44.580 did it

01:34:44.780 like

01:34:44.900 you

01:34:45.020 want

01:34:45.160 to hear

01:34:45.340 from

01:34:45.520 your

01:34:45.640 enemy

01:34:45.860 right

01:34:46.120 like

01:34:46.300 you

01:34:46.400 want

01:34:46.540 to

01:34:46.640 understand

01:34:47.120 like

01:34:47.360 what

01:34:47.540 they're

01:34:47.740 I

01:34:47.860 want

01:34:48.060 all

01:34:48.300 relevant

01:34:48.640 information

01:34:49.180 and

01:34:49.380 all

01:34:49.500 decide

01:34:49.820 yeah

01:34:50.080 yeah

01:34:50.340 yeah

01:34:50.620 you

01:34:50.840 don't

01:34:50.940 want

01:34:51.060 people

01:34:51.240 deciding

01:34:51.620 for

01:34:51.860 you

01:34:51.980 what

01:34:52.160 you

01:34:52.280 can

01:34:52.480 and

01:34:52.580 can't

01:34:52.780 read

01:34:53.040 yeah

01:34:53.300 they

01:34:53.960 were

01:34:54.540 petrified

01:34:55.480 that

01:34:56.800 young

01:34:57.020 Americans

01:34:57.420 were

01:34:57.680 going

01:34:57.880 to

01:34:58.020 hear

01:34:58.280 the

01:34:58.540 reasons

01:34:59.080 proffered

01:34:59.780 and

01:35:00.320 they

01:35:00.520 made

01:35:01.400 that

01:35:01.620 letter

01:35:01.880 disappear

01:35:02.540 why

01:35:03.100 would

01:35:03.220 the

01:35:03.340 Guardian

01:35:03.640 which

01:35:04.320 is

01:35:04.460 supposedly

01:35:04.720 like

01:35:04.920 this

01:35:05.060 left-wing

01:35:05.640 British

01:35:06.400 publication

01:35:06.920 like

01:35:07.240 why

01:35:07.340 would

01:35:07.440 they

01:35:07.540 go

01:35:07.680 along

01:35:07.900 with

01:35:08.060 that

01:35:08.280 the

01:35:10.000 Guardian

01:35:10.260 is

01:35:10.480 very

01:35:10.820 you

01:35:11.620 know

01:35:11.840 supportive

01:35:12.760 of

01:35:13.080 the

01:35:13.480 western

01:35:14.620 establishment

01:35:15.260 the

01:35:16.260 UK

01:35:16.520 is

01:35:17.060 aggressively

01:35:17.980 supportive

01:35:18.460 of

01:35:18.640 Israel

01:35:18.980 always

01:35:19.440 has

01:35:19.720 been

01:35:20.060 finds

01:35:20.700 it

01:35:20.800 with

01:35:20.940 arms

01:35:21.240 does

01:35:21.520 a lot

01:35:21.800 of

01:35:21.880 reconnaissance

01:35:22.440 fights

01:35:22.840 over

01:35:23.040 Gaza

01:35:23.360 to

01:35:23.580 feed

01:35:23.820 the

01:35:23.940 Israelis

01:35:24.240 intelligence

01:35:24.820 and

01:35:26.160 when

01:35:26.340 that

01:35:26.520 kind

01:35:26.680 of

01:35:26.760 pressure

01:35:26.980 comes

01:35:27.280 to

01:35:27.440 bear

01:35:27.720 TikTok

01:35:28.740 a

01:35:29.560 gigantic

01:35:30.120 multi

01:35:30.880 multi

01:35:31.360 billion

01:35:31.760 dollar

01:35:32.200 corporation

01:35:33.400 the

01:35:33.720 Guardian

01:35:34.040 one

01:35:34.340 of

01:35:34.420 the

01:35:34.540 oldest

01:35:34.980 newspapers

01:35:35.860 in

01:35:36.120 the

01:35:36.200 West

01:35:36.540 they

01:35:36.860 fold

01:35:37.100 in

01:35:37.240 a

01:35:37.380 second

01:35:37.660 like

01:35:37.900 they're

01:35:38.120 no

01:35:38.280 match

01:35:38.580 for

01:35:38.820 that

01:35:39.580 kind

01:35:39.800 of

01:35:39.900 pressure

01:35:40.280 a

01:35:41.100 pressure

01:35:41.480 that

01:35:41.720 said

01:35:41.940 we

01:35:42.100 want

01:35:45.260 I

01:35:52.400 didn't

01:35:53.380 mean

01:35:53.500 to

01:35:53.620 go

01:35:53.740 into

01:35:53.880 that

01:35:54.060 so

01:35:54.400 why

01:35:54.860 do

01:35:55.020 you

01:35:55.140 love

01:35:55.320 Osama

01:35:55.620 Bin Laden

01:35:55.940 so much

01:35:56.420 I

01:35:57.540 mean

01:35:57.720 of

01:35:57.880 course

01:35:58.060 that's

01:35:58.360 I

01:35:59.580 remember

01:35:59.880 being

01:36:00.140 shocked

01:36:00.420 by it

01:36:00.740 and

01:36:00.860 saying

01:36:01.060 how

01:36:01.740 can

01:36:02.000 it

01:36:02.780 possibly

01:36:03.220 be

01:36:03.460 the

01:36:03.640 case

01:36:04.140 that

01:36:04.760 we're

01:36:04.920 watching

01:36:05.360 this

01:36:05.720 and

01:36:05.920 it

01:36:06.040 wasn't

01:36:06.720 there

01:36:07.100 was

01:36:07.220 no

01:36:07.360 pretext

01:36:07.820 to

01:36:08.040 it

01:36:08.200 it

01:36:08.340 was

01:36:08.460 explicit

01:36:08.900 like

01:36:09.800 we

01:36:09.980 can't

01:36:10.260 have

01:36:10.440 people

01:36:10.680 reading

01:36:10.960 this

01:36:11.360 this

01:36:12.140 is

01:36:12.280 terrorist

01:36:12.600 propaganda

01:36:13.200 and

01:36:14.500 exactly

01:36:15.080 if

01:36:15.280 you

01:36:15.380 stand

01:36:15.580 up

01:36:15.720 and

01:36:15.820 say

01:36:15.920 no

01:36:16.040 I

01:36:16.140 actually

01:36:16.360 think

01:36:16.600 people

01:36:16.840 should

01:36:17.040 be

01:36:17.160 able

01:36:17.280 to

01:36:17.420 read

01:36:17.600 that

01:36:18.220 and

01:36:18.720 then

01:36:18.900 they'll

01:36:19.220 say

01:36:19.380 like

01:36:19.720 oh

01:36:20.120 you're

01:36:20.960 pro

01:36:21.360 al-qaeda

01:36:22.000 you want

01:36:22.460 terrorist

01:36:23.200 propaganda

01:36:23.680 to be

01:36:24.020 to

01:36:24.260 spread

01:36:24.620 and I'm

01:36:24.840 like

01:36:24.960 no

01:36:25.520 I

01:36:25.640 just

01:36:25.820 think

01:36:26.020 adults

01:36:26.380 should

01:36:26.560 have

01:36:26.780 all

01:36:27.020 information

01:36:27.460 that

01:36:27.740 they

01:36:27.900 want

01:36:28.120 to

01:36:28.220 have

01:36:28.700 available

01:36:29.560 to

01:36:29.820 them

01:36:29.980 and

01:36:30.060 I

01:36:30.140 don't

01:36:30.240 think

01:36:30.420 the

01:36:30.580 government

01:36:30.880 should

01:36:31.140 be

01:36:31.820 prohibiting

01:36:32.580 certain

01:36:32.860 information

01:36:33.340 from

01:36:33.680 being

01:36:34.560 accessible

01:36:35.020 also

01:36:35.320 3,000

01:36:36.100 Americans

01:36:36.540 were

01:36:37.340 murdered

01:36:37.760 that

01:36:38.340 day

01:36:38.720 and

01:36:39.080 I'm

01:36:39.340 an

01:36:39.460 American

01:36:39.760 I have

01:36:40.080 an

01:36:40.220 absolute

01:36:40.620 right

01:36:41.000 to

01:36:41.160 know

01:36:41.760 all

01:36:42.380 available

01:36:42.700 information

01:36:43.140 about

01:36:43.420 that

01:36:43.640 I

01:36:43.780 don't

01:36:43.940 understand

01:36:44.440 what's

01:36:45.660 the

01:36:45.760 justification

01:36:46.140 for keeping

01:36:46.880 that

01:36:47.020 information

01:36:47.360 from me

01:36:47.740 an

01:36:47.840 American

01:36:48.100 citizen

01:36:48.480 who

01:36:48.640 faithfully

01:36:48.920 pays

01:36:49.180 taxes

01:36:49.600 and

01:36:49.760 obeys

01:36:49.980 the

01:36:50.140 laws

01:36:50.340 that

01:36:50.500 was

01:36:50.760 born

01:36:50.960 here

01:36:51.160 you

01:36:51.440 can't

01:36:52.880 do

01:36:53.040 that

01:36:53.300 you

01:36:53.420 know

01:36:53.540 after

01:36:53.980 the

01:36:54.900 2022

01:36:55.300 invasion

01:36:55.920 by the

01:36:56.220 Russians

01:36:56.500 into

01:36:56.780 Ukraine

01:36:57.220 one of

01:36:57.940 the

01:36:58.040 first

01:36:58.500 things

01:36:58.960 the

01:36:59.200 EU

01:36:59.440 parliament

01:36:59.800 did

01:37:00.200 is

01:37:00.840 made

01:37:01.040 it

01:37:01.140 a

01:37:01.280 crime

01:37:01.860 to

01:37:02.400 platform

01:37:03.020 Russian

01:37:04.300 state

01:37:04.600 media

01:37:04.980 so

01:37:05.320 if

01:37:05.440 you

01:37:05.540 wanted

01:37:05.740 to

01:37:05.920 say

01:37:06.200 I

01:37:06.620 want

01:37:07.060 to

01:37:07.120 hear

01:37:07.240 from

01:37:07.400 Russia

01:37:07.720 I

01:37:07.940 want

01:37:08.060 to

01:37:08.160 understand

01:37:08.480 what

01:37:08.940 Russia's

01:37:09.500 argument

01:37:09.840 is

01:37:10.140 for

01:37:10.300 doing

01:37:10.520 this

01:37:10.860 you

01:37:11.980 couldn't

01:37:12.480 get

01:37:12.660 it

01:37:12.780 if

01:37:13.000 you

01:37:13.700 looked

01:37:13.880 hard

01:37:14.040 enough

01:37:14.260 you

01:37:14.400 could

01:37:14.620 if

01:37:14.980 you

01:37:15.040 went

01:37:15.180 to

01:37:15.300 rumble

01:37:15.540 you

01:37:21.160 think

01:37:21.380 about

01:37:21.580 what

01:37:21.740 that

01:37:21.940 says

01:37:22.240 like

01:37:22.420 we

01:37:22.680 want

01:37:22.880 to

01:37:22.960 make

01:37:23.120 sure

01:37:23.320 that

01:37:23.540 we

01:37:23.960 monopolize

01:37:25.120 the

01:37:25.340 flow

01:37:25.640 of

01:37:25.780 information

01:37:26.180 that

01:37:26.420 our

01:37:26.700 citizenry

01:37:27.360 gets

01:37:27.760 and

01:37:28.060 nothing

01:37:28.400 that

01:37:28.720 disputes

01:37:29.460 what

01:37:29.620 we

01:37:29.760 want

01:37:29.940 them

01:37:30.060 to

01:37:30.220 believe

01:37:30.560 can

01:37:30.820 even

01:37:31.100 be

01:37:31.300 heard

01:37:31.660 or

01:37:32.040 available

01:37:32.360 I

01:37:32.500 went

01:37:32.680 to

01:37:32.840 Russia

01:37:33.060 because

01:37:33.300 it

01:37:33.460 drove

01:37:33.600 me

01:37:33.760 I

01:37:33.980 had

01:37:34.120 no

01:37:34.340 interest

01:37:34.740 really

01:37:35.000 in

01:37:35.120 going

01:37:35.240 to

01:37:35.400 Russia

01:37:35.620 but

01:37:35.840 it

01:37:36.060 I'm

01:37:36.500 so

01:37:36.660 grateful

01:37:36.880 that

01:37:37.060 I

01:37:37.160 did

01:37:37.300 but

01:37:37.440 it

01:37:37.680 drove

01:37:38.080 me

01:37:38.220 so

01:37:38.560 crazy

01:37:39.160 that

01:37:40.000 I

01:37:40.120 wasn't

01:37:40.500 allowed

01:37:40.880 and

01:37:41.040 Americans

01:37:41.480 were

01:37:41.720 not

01:37:41.900 allowed

01:37:42.320 relevant

01:37:43.460 information

01:37:44.000 about

01:37:44.200 what

01:37:44.300 their

01:37:44.420 government

01:37:44.660 was

01:37:44.840 doing

01:37:44.960 I

01:37:45.180 want

01:37:45.420 to

01:37:45.520 hear

01:37:45.740 from

01:37:46.240 them

01:37:46.580 what

01:37:46.880 their

01:37:47.100 perspective

01:37:47.520 is

01:37:47.820 I

01:37:48.000 walk

01:37:48.440 away

01:37:48.700 and

01:37:48.840 think

01:37:49.020 like

01:37:49.280 oh

01:37:50.000 they're

01:37:50.420 murderous

01:37:51.640 imperialists

01:37:53.080 who just

01:37:53.380 want to

01:37:53.800 consume

01:37:54.540 their

01:37:54.760 neighbor

01:37:55.080 or

01:37:55.600 maybe

01:37:56.380 there's

01:37:56.680 some

01:37:56.880 other

01:37:57.360 way

01:37:57.940 of

01:37:58.060 looking

01:37:58.240 at

01:37:58.420 things

01:37:58.680 that

01:37:58.920 I'm

01:37:59.200 not

01:37:59.380 permitted

01:37:59.640 in

01:37:59.800 the

01:37:59.880 West

01:38:00.060 I

01:38:00.220 know

01:38:00.420 what

01:38:00.600 the

01:38:00.680 truth

01:38:00.920 is

01:38:01.180 and

01:38:01.480 that's

01:38:01.740 the

01:38:01.840 whole

01:38:01.980 point

01:38:02.220 of

01:38:02.340 living

01:38:02.560 here

01:38:02.780 is

01:38:02.940 I

01:38:03.060 get

01:38:03.200 to

01:38:03.340 know

01:38:03.480 what

01:38:03.660 the

01:38:03.800 truth

01:38:03.980 is

01:38:04.140 I

01:38:04.260 get

01:38:04.400 to

01:38:04.560 decide

01:38:04.840 for

01:38:05.020 myself

01:38:05.340 what's

01:38:05.620 true

01:38:05.840 and

01:38:06.780 if

01:38:06.900 you

01:38:07.000 take

01:38:07.180 that

01:38:07.380 away

01:38:07.600 then

01:38:07.860 why

01:38:08.260 let me

01:38:09.500 just

01:38:09.640 finish

01:38:09.900 this

01:38:10.100 thing

01:38:10.260 about

01:38:10.420 Randy

01:38:10.640 fine

01:38:10.960 if I

01:38:11.320 could

01:38:11.720 so

01:38:12.280 I

01:38:13.820 I

01:38:16.220 like

01:38:16.580 in

01:38:16.740 2022

01:38:17.200 and

01:38:17.440 2023

01:38:17.800 there

01:38:18.240 were

01:38:18.340 a bunch

01:38:18.640 of

01:38:18.800 MAGA

01:38:19.040 people

01:38:19.380 who

01:38:19.720 were

01:38:19.900 opposed

01:38:20.360 to

01:38:20.660 the

01:38:20.940 funding

01:38:21.340 of

01:38:21.960 the

01:38:22.160 war

01:38:22.320 in

01:38:22.460 Ukraine

01:38:22.800 and

01:38:24.520 some

01:38:24.740 non

01:38:24.960 MAGA

01:38:25.160 people

01:38:25.420 too

01:38:25.620 like

01:38:25.820 RFK

01:38:26.200 Jr.

01:38:26.460 and

01:38:27.720 I

01:38:28.080 was

01:38:28.240 obviously

01:38:28.640 very

01:38:29.120 opposed

01:38:29.440 to

01:38:29.560 it

01:38:29.640 from

01:38:29.740 the

01:38:29.860 start

01:38:30.060 you

01:38:30.240 were

01:38:30.360 too

01:38:30.560 I

01:38:30.680 went

01:38:30.840 on

01:38:30.920 the

01:38:31.000 show

01:38:31.080 many

01:38:31.240 times

01:38:31.440 to

01:38:31.520 talk

01:38:31.640 about

01:38:31.800 that

01:38:32.040 and

01:38:33.400 I

01:38:33.880 had

01:38:34.020 a bunch

01:38:34.260 of

01:38:34.340 them

01:38:34.440 on

01:38:34.660 like

01:38:34.880 Matt

01:38:35.100 Gates

01:38:35.500 and

01:38:35.720 Marjorie

01:38:36.080 Taylor

01:38:36.280 Green

01:38:36.580 and

01:38:36.960 RFK

01:38:37.380 Jr.

01:38:37.880 a lot

01:38:38.520 of

01:38:38.620 them

01:38:38.800 and

01:38:40.120 I

01:38:41.300 always

01:38:41.520 had

01:38:41.660 this

01:38:41.840 same

01:38:42.220 plan

01:38:42.520 I

01:38:42.660 would

01:38:42.780 ask

01:38:42.980 them

01:38:43.120 why

01:38:43.460 are

01:38:43.640 opposed

01:38:44.100 to

01:38:44.360 having

01:38:44.640 the

01:38:44.780 U.S.

01:38:45.060 fund

01:38:45.180 the

01:38:45.300 war

01:38:45.420 in

01:38:45.540 Ukraine

01:38:45.760 don't

01:38:46.100 you

01:38:46.220 want

01:38:46.440 the

01:38:46.700 U.S.

01:38:46.940 to

01:38:47.080 stand

01:38:47.300 up

01:38:47.560 for

01:38:47.900 Ukraine

01:38:48.260 against

01:38:48.580 Russia

01:38:48.920 and

01:38:49.520 they

01:38:49.620 would

01:38:49.740 all

01:38:49.940 say

01:38:50.240 this

01:38:51.440 isn't

01:38:51.700 our

01:38:51.860 business

01:38:52.260 this

01:38:53.040 is

01:38:53.140 on

01:38:53.240 the

01:38:53.320 other

01:38:53.440 side

01:38:53.640 of

01:38:53.720 the

01:38:53.820 world

01:38:54.140 it

01:38:54.540 doesn't

01:38:54.760 affect

01:38:55.020 my

01:38:55.200 constituents

01:38:55.740 our

01:38:56.680 communities

01:38:57.060 are

01:38:57.280 falling

01:38:57.540 apart

01:38:57.900 we

01:38:58.440 have

01:38:58.640 fentanyl

01:38:59.040 addictions

01:38:59.420 sweeping

01:38:59.740 our

01:38:59.920 communities

01:39:00.320 nobody

01:39:00.740 has

01:39:01.020 jobs

01:39:01.460 nobody

01:39:01.700 has

01:39:01.920 health

01:39:02.160 care

01:39:02.340 our

01:39:02.500 country

01:39:02.740 is

01:39:02.900 falling

01:39:03.100 apart

01:39:03.400 we

01:39:03.600 don't

01:39:03.780 have

01:39:03.940 the

01:39:04.080 money

01:39:04.280 to

01:39:04.460 keep

01:39:04.640 sending

01:39:04.940 to

01:39:05.100 foreign

01:39:05.340 countries

01:39:05.820 and

01:39:06.320 it's

01:39:06.480 outrageous

01:39:06.840 that

01:39:07.100 we

01:39:07.240 keep

01:39:07.460 doing

01:39:07.740 it

01:39:07.860 they

01:39:08.000 would

01:39:08.120 be

01:39:08.240 very

01:39:08.700 passionate

01:39:09.200 and

01:39:09.460 very

01:39:09.660 adamant

01:39:10.080 I

01:39:10.200 would

01:39:10.300 encourage

01:39:10.640 them

01:39:10.840 to

01:39:11.000 keep

01:39:11.180 developing

01:39:11.540 that

01:39:11.740 idea

01:39:12.040 and

01:39:12.580 they

01:39:12.700 would

01:39:12.920 say

01:39:13.420 all

01:39:13.580 those

01:39:13.720 things

01:39:13.920 with

01:39:14.060 which

01:39:14.220 I

01:39:14.340 completely

01:39:14.780 agreed

01:39:15.200 and

01:39:15.960 then

01:39:16.060 my

01:39:16.160 next

01:39:16.340 question

01:39:16.600 was

01:39:16.760 always

01:39:17.240 do

01:39:17.760 you

01:39:17.900 apply

01:39:18.140 the

01:39:18.320 same

01:39:18.520 rationale

01:39:18.900 to

01:39:19.280 the

01:39:19.400 United

01:39:19.560 States

01:39:19.920 funding

01:39:20.460 the

01:39:21.640 Israeli

01:39:22.020 military

01:39:22.440 and Israeli

01:39:23.060 society

01:39:23.600 and Israeli

01:39:24.180 wars

01:39:24.680 and they

01:39:26.080 would

01:39:26.220 all

01:39:26.460 stutter

01:39:27.140 to try

01:39:27.940 and

01:39:28.060 distinguish

01:39:28.520 why

01:39:29.700 it

01:39:29.860 was

01:39:30.180 that

01:39:30.580 they

01:39:31.360 had

01:39:31.620 one

01:39:37.100 Israel

01:39:37.340 is

01:39:37.520 different

01:39:37.740 to

01:39:37.880 the

01:39:38.020 point

01:39:38.220 that

01:39:38.360 RFK

01:39:38.740 Jr.

01:39:39.080 and I

01:39:39.260 actually

01:39:39.800 really

01:39:40.140 appreciated

01:39:40.560 this

01:39:40.780 about

01:39:40.980 him

01:39:41.180 when

01:39:41.780 I

01:39:41.880 kept

01:39:42.040 pressing

01:39:42.300 him

01:39:42.420 about

01:39:42.540 it

01:39:42.640 I

01:39:42.660 said

01:39:42.800 you're

01:39:43.060 saying

01:39:43.300 we

01:39:43.420 don't

01:39:43.540 have

01:39:43.680 money

01:39:43.920 to

01:39:44.100 fund

01:39:44.660 foreign

01:39:44.920 wars

01:39:45.140 that

01:39:45.240 our

01:39:45.340 country

01:39:45.560 is

01:39:45.680 falling

01:39:45.860 apart

01:39:46.140 why

01:39:46.820 are

01:39:47.560 we

01:39:47.720 sending

01:39:47.960 billions

01:39:48.560 of

01:39:48.740 dollars

01:39:49.060 to

01:39:49.920 Israel

01:39:50.320 when

01:39:50.680 Israelis

01:39:51.200 have

01:39:51.500 a

01:39:51.660 higher

01:39:51.900 standard

01:39:52.220 of

01:39:52.420 living

01:39:52.720 than

01:39:53.300 millions

01:39:53.720 of

01:39:53.920 American

01:39:54.220 workers

01:39:54.580 and

01:39:54.860 millions

01:39:55.320 of

01:39:55.480 American

01:39:55.720 citizens

01:39:56.080 why

01:39:56.360 is

01:39:56.540 the

01:39:56.640 American

01:39:56.840 worker

01:39:57.100 forced

01:39:57.460 to

01:39:57.620 subsidize

01:39:58.260 Israel

01:39:59.020 you

01:39:59.220 said

01:39:59.500 we

01:39:59.700 can't

01:39:59.940 be

01:40:00.060 doing

01:40:00.260 that

01:40:00.380 we

01:40:00.500 can't

01:40:00.660 afford

01:40:00.860 it

01:40:00.940 when

01:40:01.040 you

01:40:01.180 came

01:40:01.380 to

01:40:01.700 Ukraine

01:40:01.980 why

01:40:02.180 isn't

01:40:02.400 the

01:40:03.380 same

01:40:03.580 applicable

01:40:03.920 to

01:40:04.220 Israel

01:40:04.640 and

01:40:05.460 he

01:40:05.620 then

01:40:05.840 finally

01:40:06.060 said

01:40:06.260 you

01:40:06.360 know

01:40:06.440 what

01:40:06.580 I'm

01:40:06.700 going

01:40:06.780 to

01:40:06.860 think

01:40:07.040 about

01:40:07.260 that

01:40:07.420 maybe

01:40:07.640 it

01:40:07.780 is

01:40:07.920 time

01:40:08.100 for

01:40:08.240 Israel

01:40:08.520 to

01:40:08.700 stand

01:40:08.900 on

01:40:09.060 its

01:40:09.200 own

01:40:09.420 I

01:40:09.580 was

01:40:09.700 like

01:40:09.820 oh

01:40:10.000 you

01:40:10.160 think

01:40:10.520 so

01:40:11.580 this

01:40:11.960 is

01:40:12.180 the

01:40:12.520 utterly

01:40:13.280 irreconcilable

01:40:14.400 contradiction

01:40:14.940 at the

01:40:15.360 heart

01:40:15.520 of the

01:40:15.740 America

01:40:16.020 first

01:40:16.380 movement

01:40:16.780 which

01:40:17.400 is

01:40:17.880 America

01:40:18.380 first

01:40:18.720 means

01:40:19.120 we

01:40:19.540 use

01:40:19.780 our

01:40:19.940 resources

01:40:20.300 for

01:40:20.580 ourselves

01:40:21.060 we

01:40:21.680 build

01:40:21.900 our

01:40:22.060 military

01:40:22.440 to

01:40:22.900 defend

01:40:23.580 our

01:40:23.820 borders

01:40:24.280 to

01:40:25.000 defend

01:40:25.680 the

01:40:25.940 American

01:40:26.200 people

01:40:26.560 we

01:40:26.740 use

01:40:26.880 our

01:40:27.020 resources

01:40:27.500 to

01:40:27.780 improve

01:40:28.140 their

01:40:28.320 lives

01:40:28.580 materially

01:40:29.060 to

01:40:29.260 build

01:40:29.440 better

01:40:29.640 roads

01:40:29.960 and

01:40:30.080 better

01:40:30.260 schools

01:40:30.580 and

01:40:30.740 better

01:40:30.880 communities

01:40:31.320 to

01:40:31.900 offer

01:40:32.140 them

01:40:32.420 addiction

01:40:33.100 services

01:40:33.880 and

01:40:34.220 whatever

01:40:34.560 else

01:40:34.920 they

01:40:35.080 need

01:40:35.380 healthcare

01:40:35.760 access

01:40:36.380 and

01:40:37.020 we

01:40:37.140 do

01:40:37.360 not

01:40:37.640 anymore

01:40:38.100 use

01:40:38.440 it

01:40:38.560 for

01:40:38.680 this

01:40:38.860 globalist

01:40:39.360 agenda

01:40:39.700 of

01:40:39.900 going

01:40:40.140 around

01:40:40.340 the

01:40:40.480 world

01:40:40.740 giving

01:40:41.320 it

01:40:41.480 to

01:40:41.580 other

01:40:41.780 countries

01:40:42.140 and

01:40:42.360 funding

01:40:42.600 other

01:40:42.800 countries

01:40:43.140 that

01:40:43.400 is

01:40:43.640 the

01:40:43.780 America

01:40:44.040 first

01:40:44.440 philosophy

01:40:45.440 as

01:40:45.920 Trump

01:40:46.180 has

01:40:46.520 articulated

01:40:47.160 it

01:40:47.520 and

01:40:47.720 many

01:40:48.000 people

01:40:48.220 have

01:40:48.340 articulated

01:40:48.700 it

01:40:48.880 for

01:40:49.000 years

01:40:49.360 and

01:40:49.960 the

01:40:50.120 foreign

01:40:50.320 policy

01:40:50.760 of

01:40:50.920 America

01:40:51.160 first

01:40:51.420 as

01:40:51.600 well

01:40:51.800 excellent

01:40:52.880 and

01:40:53.120 then

01:40:53.240 on

01:40:53.360 the

01:40:53.480 other

01:40:54.240 hand

01:40:54.680 those

01:40:55.760 same

01:40:56.080 people

01:40:56.380 many

01:40:56.720 are

01:40:58.120 adamant

01:40:59.140 that

01:40:59.900 we

01:41:00.020 have

01:41:00.200 to

01:41:00.340 fund

01:41:00.880 Israel

01:41:02.340 we

01:41:02.560 have

01:41:02.700 to

01:41:02.840 fund

01:41:03.220 its

01:41:03.480 military

01:41:03.960 we

01:41:04.180 have

01:41:04.320 to

01:41:04.440 fund

01:41:04.840 its

01:41:05.080 wars

01:41:05.500 we

01:41:06.220 have

01:41:06.360 to

01:41:06.520 subsidize

01:41:07.180 society

01:41:07.720 we

01:41:07.940 have

01:41:08.080 to

01:41:08.240 sacrifice

01:41:08.720 our

01:41:09.000 own

01:41:09.140 interests

01:41:09.440 to

01:41:09.620 protect

01:41:09.960 theirs

01:41:10.300 we

01:41:10.860 have

01:41:11.000 to

01:41:11.120 put

01:41:11.280 the

01:41:11.480 lives

01:41:11.780 of

01:41:11.900 our

01:41:12.040 service

01:41:12.400 members

01:41:12.800 in

01:41:13.240 risk

01:41:13.680 have

01:41:13.960 American

01:41:14.560 citizens

01:41:15.040 die

01:41:15.660 in order

01:41:16.980 to

01:41:17.340 protect

01:41:17.860 Israel

01:41:18.260 and the

01:41:18.520 wars

01:41:18.740 that it

01:41:19.020 starts

01:41:19.280 with

01:41:19.440 its

01:41:19.600 neighbors

01:41:19.880 and

01:41:21.180 there

01:41:21.460 is

01:41:21.820 no

01:41:22.040 reconciling

01:41:22.780 this

01:41:23.020 there

01:41:23.220 is

01:41:23.560 no

01:41:23.800 way

01:41:24.140 to

01:41:24.600 take

01:41:25.440 an

01:41:25.560 America

01:41:25.820 first

01:41:26.300 ideology

01:41:26.980 and

01:41:28.340 make

01:41:28.700 it

01:41:28.840 consistent

01:41:29.340 with

01:41:30.340 this

01:41:30.560 constant

01:41:31.300 prioritization

01:41:33.880 of Israeli

01:41:34.340 interests

01:41:34.840 let alone

01:41:36.280 what is

01:41:37.480 now

01:41:37.720 happening

01:41:38.100 which

01:41:38.360 is

01:41:38.480 the

01:41:38.720 aggressive

01:41:39.400 erosion

01:41:40.000 of

01:41:40.500 our

01:41:40.660 free

01:41:40.860 speech

01:41:41.160 rights

01:41:41.520 and

01:41:41.680 core

01:41:41.940 civil

01:41:42.200 liberties

01:41:42.520 guaranteed

01:41:42.920 to

01:41:43.240 us

01:41:43.380 by

01:41:43.500 the

01:41:43.660 constitution

01:41:44.240 not

01:41:45.440 to

01:41:45.600 protect

01:41:45.900 our

01:41:46.080 own

01:41:46.360 government

01:41:46.640 from

01:41:46.860 criticism

01:41:47.240 but

01:41:47.460 protect

01:41:47.920 this

01:41:48.200 foreign

01:41:48.420 country

01:41:49.080 from

01:41:49.340 criticism

01:41:49.780 and

01:41:50.500 I

01:41:50.660 do

01:41:50.880 think

01:41:51.160 there

01:41:51.320 are

01:41:51.420 people

01:41:51.680 now

01:41:51.980 starting

01:41:52.440 finally

01:41:53.300 to

01:41:54.600 understand

01:41:55.240 that

01:41:55.780 these

01:41:56.040 two

01:41:56.240 things

01:41:56.560 cannot

01:41:56.820 be

01:41:57.060 maintained

01:41:57.420 simultaneously

01:41:58.060 it's

01:41:58.660 going to

01:41:58.920 blow up

01:41:59.300 the

01:41:59.440 Trump

01:41:59.640 movement

01:42:00.040 I

01:42:00.720 think

01:42:00.980 I

01:42:01.200 don't

01:42:01.340 think

01:42:01.460 it

01:42:01.580 needs

01:42:01.840 to

01:42:02.060 I

01:42:02.240 think

01:42:02.660 there's

01:42:02.980 a

01:42:03.220 you

01:42:04.740 know

01:42:04.840 you

01:42:05.020 could

01:42:05.220 you

01:42:05.560 could

01:42:05.760 pivot

01:42:06.020 but

01:42:06.540 I

01:42:06.800 agree

01:42:07.380 just

01:42:07.860 conceptually

01:42:08.660 that

01:42:08.980 those

01:42:09.440 are

01:42:09.560 irreconcilable

01:42:10.360 goals

01:42:10.800 they're

01:42:11.180 so

01:42:11.360 blatantly

01:42:11.740 irreconcilable

01:42:12.520 and

01:42:13.360 of course

01:42:13.940 the

01:42:14.260 the

01:42:14.600 proof

01:42:15.000 in the

01:42:15.200 pudding

01:42:15.380 is

01:42:15.520 going

01:42:15.660 to

01:42:15.700 be

01:42:15.820 what

01:42:15.980 happens

01:42:16.240 with

01:42:16.400 Iran

01:42:16.760 you

01:42:16.980 know

01:42:17.060 I

01:42:17.160 woke

01:42:17.360 up

01:42:17.500 today

01:42:17.800 I'm

01:42:18.280 here

01:42:18.540 and

01:42:19.660 I

01:42:20.240 saw

01:42:20.360 the

01:42:20.480 New York

01:42:20.660 Times

01:42:20.960 and

01:42:21.140 the

01:42:21.300 lead

01:42:21.640 story

01:42:21.860 on

01:42:21.980 the

01:42:22.040 front

01:42:22.180 page

01:42:22.320 of

01:42:22.420 the

01:42:22.460 New

01:42:22.500 York

01:42:22.600 Times

01:42:22.820 is

01:42:23.220 Israel

01:42:24.220 may

01:42:24.480 attack

01:42:24.960 Iran

01:42:25.820 despite

01:42:27.200 Trump's

01:42:27.760 desire

01:42:28.120 to

01:42:28.440 reach

01:42:28.740 a

01:42:28.880 deal

01:42:29.160 and

01:42:30.760 it's

01:42:30.920 like

01:42:31.100 how

01:42:31.320 can

01:42:31.500 that

01:42:31.640 even

01:42:31.820 be

01:42:31.980 possible

01:42:32.400 what

01:42:32.620 do

01:42:32.700 you

01:42:32.720 mean

01:42:32.860 Israel

01:42:33.340 might

01:42:33.600 attack

01:42:33.960 Iran

01:42:34.320 despite

01:42:34.780 Trump's

01:42:35.280 desire

01:42:35.580 to

01:42:35.720 reach

01:42:35.900 a

01:42:36.040 deal

01:42:36.280 their

01:42:36.880 weapons

01:42:37.320 came

01:42:37.680 from

01:42:37.860 the

01:42:37.960 United

01:42:38.160 States

01:42:38.740 we

01:42:39.680 pay

01:42:39.960 for

01:42:40.120 the

01:42:40.220 operation

01:42:40.620 of

01:42:40.820 those

01:42:41.000 weapons

01:42:41.340 they

01:42:41.920 can't

01:42:42.380 attack

01:42:42.660 Iran

01:42:42.960 without

01:42:43.380 some

01:42:44.760 kind

01:42:45.100 of

01:42:45.240 military

01:42:45.620 and

01:42:45.880 logistical

01:42:46.280 support

01:42:46.840 from

01:42:47.400 the

01:42:47.520 United

01:42:47.700 States

01:42:48.320 and

01:42:49.460 who

01:42:49.760 is

01:42:49.960 Israel

01:42:50.520 that

01:42:51.280 depends

01:42:51.740 on

01:42:51.900 the

01:42:52.000 United

01:42:52.220 States

01:42:52.620 that

01:42:52.880 is

01:42:53.000 a

01:42:53.140 vassal

01:42:53.480 state

01:42:53.740 of

01:42:53.840 the

01:42:53.920 United

01:42:54.080 States

01:42:54.480 supposedly

01:42:55.100 to

01:42:56.220 say

01:42:56.380 we

01:42:56.520 don't

01:42:56.660 care

01:42:56.860 what

01:42:57.000 the

01:42:57.140 president

01:42:57.400 of

01:42:57.520 the

01:42:57.540 United

01:42:57.640 States

01:42:57.920 wants

01:42:58.200 in

01:42:58.300 his

01:42:58.440 foreign

01:42:58.640 policy

01:42:59.020 we're

01:42:59.260 going

01:42:59.340 to

01:42:59.460 subvert

01:42:59.780 it

01:42:59.900 and

01:43:00.000 undermine

01:43:00.240 and

01:43:00.460 blow

01:43:00.640 it

01:43:00.760 up

01:43:00.900 and

01:43:01.040 destroy

01:43:01.320 it

01:43:01.480 if

01:43:01.580 we

01:43:01.700 want

01:43:01.940 to

01:43:02.160 that

01:43:03.240 is

01:43:03.340 not

01:43:03.460 the

01:43:03.580 behavior

01:43:03.880 of

01:43:04.080 an

01:43:04.180 ally

01:43:04.480 and

01:43:05.160 I

01:43:05.280 think

01:43:05.620 that

01:43:06.000 someone

01:43:07.720 who's

01:43:07.880 really

01:43:08.040 tried

01:43:08.240 to avoid

01:43:08.580 this

01:43:08.760 topic

01:43:09.060 and

01:43:09.360 bears

01:43:09.900 no

01:43:10.060 animus

01:43:10.340 toward

01:43:10.520 Israel

01:43:10.920 actually

01:43:12.060 like

01:43:12.280 a lot

01:43:12.480 of

01:43:12.580 Israelis

01:43:12.960 talked

01:43:14.160 to

01:43:14.260 them

01:43:14.340 the

01:43:14.400 other

01:43:14.480 day

01:43:14.720 but

01:43:15.900 I

01:43:16.300 think

01:43:17.000 the

01:43:17.200 idea

01:43:17.580 that

01:43:18.120 we're

01:43:19.200 getting

01:43:19.400 a lot

01:43:19.660 out

01:43:19.820 of

01:43:19.920 this

01:43:20.240 our

01:43:20.560 interest

01:43:20.800 of

01:43:20.920 being

01:43:21.060 served

01:43:21.400 is

01:43:21.820 clearly

01:43:22.900 not

01:43:23.120 true

01:43:23.400 it's

01:43:23.680 the

01:43:23.780 opposite

01:43:24.140 well

01:43:25.140 you know

01:43:26.080 there's

01:43:26.560 the

01:43:27.460 Israeli

01:43:27.700 government

01:43:28.020 has

01:43:28.240 had

01:43:28.380 a

01:43:28.500 close

01:43:29.600 relationship

01:43:30.180 with

01:43:30.700 the

01:43:31.020 Chinese

01:43:31.280 communist

01:43:31.680 government

01:43:32.100 for

01:43:32.440 over

01:43:32.640 40

01:43:32.920 years

01:43:33.280 and

01:43:33.740 there

01:43:33.900 have

01:43:34.020 been

01:43:34.160 a

01:43:34.280 lot

01:43:34.380 of

01:43:34.480 transfers

01:43:35.040 of

01:43:35.200 military

01:43:35.420 technology

01:43:35.980 from

01:43:36.440 Israel

01:43:37.040 to

01:43:37.780 China

01:43:38.120 including

01:43:40.520 technology

01:43:41.260 to

01:43:41.840 China

01:43:42.040 it's

01:43:42.200 a

01:43:42.300 fact

01:43:42.620 people

01:43:43.500 lie

01:43:43.860 about

01:43:44.180 it

01:43:44.440 and

01:43:44.580 it

01:43:44.800 is

01:43:44.880 true

01:43:45.680 actually

01:43:46.360 and

01:43:47.540 I

01:43:48.200 don't

01:43:48.820 think

01:43:49.000 that's

01:43:49.200 widely

01:43:49.400 known

01:43:49.720 I

01:43:50.160 mean

01:43:50.260 the

01:43:50.400 Chinese

01:43:50.680 help

01:43:50.880 operate

01:43:51.180 the

01:43:51.320 port

01:43:51.440 of

01:43:51.540 Haifa

01:43:51.780 one

01:43:52.480 of

01:43:52.560 the

01:43:52.580 most

01:43:52.660 beautiful

01:43:52.900 ports

01:43:53.160 in

01:43:53.260 the

01:43:53.340 world

01:43:53.520 wonderful

01:43:54.680 place

01:43:55.040 but

01:43:55.220 yeah

01:43:55.420 they're

01:43:55.600 in

01:43:55.880 the

01:43:55.960 port

01:43:56.060 of

01:43:56.160 Haifa

01:43:56.340 so

01:43:56.720 how

01:43:57.060 is

01:43:57.300 it

01:43:57.560 that

01:43:58.040 the

01:43:58.880 main

01:43:59.500 recipient

01:44:00.080 of

01:44:00.500 American

01:44:00.900 support

01:44:01.420 both

01:44:01.720 financial

01:44:02.100 and

01:44:02.340 moral

01:44:02.680 and

01:44:02.900 legal

01:44:03.220 and

01:44:03.600 you

01:44:03.720 know

01:44:03.820 all

01:44:10.520 our

01:44:10.960 main

01:44:11.440 global

01:44:12.140 adversary

01:44:13.280 a

01:44:14.500 country

01:44:14.780 really

01:44:15.000 described

01:44:15.280 by the

01:44:15.420 Trump

01:44:15.560 administration

01:44:15.920 as an

01:44:16.260 enemy

01:44:16.540 that's

01:44:17.420 their

01:44:17.560 posture

01:44:17.840 toward

01:44:18.100 China

01:44:18.440 as an

01:44:18.640 enemy

01:44:18.860 and

01:44:20.360 our

01:44:21.180 military

01:44:21.560 technology

01:44:22.180 is going

01:44:23.200 to Israel

01:44:23.580 and then

01:44:23.860 why

01:44:23.980 make up

01:44:24.180 in

01:44:24.300 China

01:44:24.640 that's

01:44:25.400 a

01:44:25.580 fact

01:44:25.940 like

01:44:26.180 how

01:44:26.580 I

01:44:26.800 don't

01:44:26.940 think

01:44:27.120 again

01:44:27.360 I

01:44:27.460 don't

01:44:27.520 think

01:44:27.620 most

01:44:27.760 people

01:44:27.920 know

01:44:28.120 that

01:44:28.420 and

01:44:29.300 I

01:44:29.400 don't

01:44:29.580 I

01:44:30.300 don't

01:44:30.460 know

01:44:30.620 even

01:44:30.920 if

01:44:31.200 people

01:44:31.560 in

01:44:31.660 administration

01:44:31.900 know

01:44:32.260 that

01:44:32.540 I

01:44:32.780 mean

01:44:32.880 some

01:44:33.040 do

01:44:33.260 how

01:44:34.720 can

01:44:34.920 that

01:44:35.180 what

01:44:36.040 is

01:44:36.220 what's

01:44:36.480 the

01:44:36.580 answer

01:44:36.780 to

01:44:36.960 that

01:44:37.300 Mark

01:44:37.640 Levin

01:44:37.860 well

01:44:38.280 also

01:44:39.180 you know

01:44:39.720 there's

01:44:40.280 this

01:44:40.440 fascinating

01:44:40.880 history

01:44:41.280 but

01:44:41.500 because

01:44:41.960 it's

01:44:42.480 30

01:44:42.760 years

01:44:42.940 ago

01:44:43.120 a lot

01:44:43.340 of

01:44:43.400 people

01:44:43.540 didn't

01:44:43.720 live

01:44:43.860 through

01:44:44.000 it

01:44:44.220 people

01:44:44.620 did

01:44:44.880 forgot

01:44:45.180 about

01:44:45.500 it

01:44:45.700 it's

01:44:45.920 been

01:44:46.100 whitewashed

01:44:46.620 but

01:44:46.900 the

01:44:47.640 last

01:44:48.000 two

01:44:48.380 presidents

01:44:49.140 that

01:44:50.200 tried

01:44:50.480 to

01:44:50.640 exert

01:44:50.940 independence

01:44:51.580 with

01:44:52.020 respect

01:44:52.280 to

01:44:52.460 Israel

01:44:52.800 and

01:44:53.540 that

01:44:53.680 told

01:44:53.920 Israel

01:44:54.240 you

01:44:54.440 cannot

01:44:54.740 do

01:44:54.940 this

01:44:55.200 if

01:44:55.340 you

01:44:55.440 want

01:44:55.560 to

01:44:55.640 continue

01:44:55.960 to

01:44:56.140 receive

01:44:56.440 our

01:44:56.600 largesse

01:44:57.220 were

01:44:58.060 Ronald

01:44:58.300 Reagan

01:44:58.580 and

01:45:06.220 Holocaust

01:45:06.460 and

01:45:07.520 picked

01:45:07.780 up

01:45:07.940 the

01:45:08.080 phone

01:45:08.280 and

01:45:08.520 ordered

01:45:09.060 them

01:45:09.240 to

01:45:09.420 stop

01:45:09.820 and

01:45:10.200 they

01:45:10.340 did

01:45:10.520 and

01:45:10.620 withdrew

01:45:11.180 the

01:45:11.540 military

01:45:11.860 barracks

01:45:12.100 1982

01:45:12.580 exactly

01:45:13.540 George

01:45:14.440 H.W.

01:45:15.000 Bush

01:45:15.280 and

01:45:15.560 then

01:45:16.160 our

01:45:16.440 marine

01:45:16.680 barracks

01:45:16.980 were

01:45:17.120 bombed

01:45:17.360 a year

01:45:17.520 later

01:45:17.780 but

01:45:18.920 then

01:45:19.180 he

01:45:19.420 didn't

01:45:19.720 go

01:45:19.900 to

01:45:20.060 war

01:45:20.280 as

01:45:20.400 they

01:45:20.500 were

01:45:20.620 demanding

01:45:20.960 he

01:45:21.160 did

01:45:21.440 with

01:45:21.680 Iran

01:45:22.080 whoever

01:45:22.600 he

01:45:22.960 said

01:45:23.460 why

01:45:23.720 are

01:45:23.840 we

01:45:23.960 even

01:45:24.160 there

01:45:24.480 but

01:45:25.260 how

01:45:25.740 did

01:45:25.900 our

01:45:26.020 American

01:45:26.320 military

01:45:26.500 without

01:45:27.240 getting

01:45:27.540 into

01:45:27.740 this

01:45:27.940 but

01:45:28.120 did

01:45:29.300 anyone

01:45:29.580 know

01:45:29.920 that

01:45:30.080 the

01:45:30.200 bombing

01:45:30.440 was

01:45:30.640 coming

01:45:30.900 is

01:45:31.200 it

01:45:31.320 possible

01:45:31.660 that

01:45:31.840 information

01:45:32.340 intel

01:45:32.980 about

01:45:33.660 that

01:45:33.880 bombing

01:45:34.160 was

01:45:34.340 withheld

01:45:34.620 from

01:45:34.800 the

01:45:34.900 United

01:45:35.040 States

01:45:35.400 I

01:45:35.600 mean

01:45:35.860 the

01:45:36.060 Israelis

01:45:36.360 do

01:45:36.820 have

01:45:37.400 a lot

01:45:37.920 of

01:45:38.140 their

01:45:38.380 neighbors

01:45:38.800 under

01:45:39.720 extremely

01:45:40.220 heavy

01:45:40.980 surveillance

01:45:41.340 as you

01:45:41.580 imagine

01:45:41.900 they

01:45:42.220 would

01:45:42.540 but

01:45:43.480 the

01:45:43.780 other

01:45:44.060 interesting

01:45:44.420 thing

01:45:44.620 was

01:45:45.040 in

01:45:45.920 the

01:45:46.040 George

01:45:46.220 H.W.

01:45:46.680 Bush

01:45:46.800 administration

01:45:47.340 which

01:45:48.120 was run

01:45:48.400 by

01:45:48.580 these

01:45:48.840 kind

01:45:49.040 of

01:45:49.140 realists

01:45:49.720 like

01:45:50.100 that

01:45:50.460 of

01:45:50.680 the

01:45:50.780 kind

01:45:51.020 you

01:45:51.220 know

01:45:51.300 that

01:45:51.480 they

01:45:52.020 didn't

01:45:52.140 call

01:45:52.300 it

01:45:52.400 to

01:45:52.500 America

01:45:52.900 first

01:45:53.160 but

01:45:53.300 the

01:45:53.400 idea

01:45:53.620 was

01:45:53.960 you

01:45:54.660 know

01:45:54.840 we

01:45:55.280 do

01:45:56.080 foreign

01:45:56.340 policy

01:45:56.720 not

01:45:57.000 for

01:45:57.440 benevolence

01:45:58.620 to

01:45:58.780 other

01:45:58.980 countries

01:45:59.340 we

01:45:59.520 don't

01:45:59.700 rebuild

01:46:00.080 other

01:46:00.360 countries

01:46:00.740 we

01:46:01.120 prioritize

01:46:01.980 American

01:46:02.460 interests

01:46:02.780 people

01:46:02.980 like

01:46:03.140 James

01:46:03.360 Baker

01:46:03.660 and

01:46:03.880 Brent

01:46:04.080 Scowcroft

01:46:04.640 who

01:46:05.620 were

01:46:05.740 the

01:46:05.900 key

01:46:06.100 foreign

01:46:06.320 policy

01:46:06.600 figures

01:46:06.860 in

01:46:07.000 the

01:46:07.200 Bush

01:46:07.680 41

01:46:08.180 administration

01:46:08.620 he

01:46:08.860 was

01:46:09.020 in

01:46:09.120 the

01:46:09.220 CIA

01:46:09.480 had

01:46:09.760 a

01:46:10.040 very

01:46:10.200 similar

01:46:10.440 foreign

01:46:10.660 policy

01:46:10.980 and

01:46:11.900 their

01:46:12.120 argument

01:46:12.500 was

01:46:12.840 what

01:46:13.280 American

01:46:13.740 presidents

01:46:14.040 have

01:46:21.220 conflict

01:46:21.500 and

01:46:22.200 the

01:46:22.660 expansion

01:46:23.180 of

01:46:23.860 Israeli

01:46:24.380 settlements

01:46:24.760 in

01:46:24.920 the

01:46:25.000 West

01:46:25.160 Bank

01:46:25.500 was

01:46:26.080 a

01:46:26.240 direct

01:46:26.560 threat

01:46:26.800 to

01:46:26.960 American

01:46:27.240 interests

01:46:27.720 and

01:46:28.680 James

01:46:29.120 Baker

01:46:29.380 said

01:46:29.800 as

01:46:30.380 part

01:46:30.540 of

01:46:30.600 the

01:46:30.680 State

01:46:30.820 Department

01:46:31.040 policy

01:46:31.460 if

01:46:32.000 you

01:46:32.140 continue

01:46:32.540 to

01:46:32.800 expand

01:46:33.180 West

01:46:33.460 Bank

01:46:33.660 settlements

01:46:34.040 which

01:46:34.280 prevent

01:46:34.640 an

01:46:34.800 Israeli

01:46:35.100 Palestinian

01:46:35.660 two

01:46:35.920 state

01:46:36.120 solution

01:46:36.540 that

01:46:37.080 harm

01:46:37.340 our

01:46:37.500 interests

01:46:37.940 we're

01:46:38.440 going

01:46:38.560 to

01:46:39.100 cease

01:46:39.520 giving

01:46:39.840 you

01:46:39.980 the

01:46:40.120 loan

01:46:40.320 guarantees

01:46:40.720 that

01:46:41.040 you

01:46:41.160 desperately

01:46:41.540 need

01:46:42.020 why

01:46:42.540 are

01:46:42.660 we

01:46:42.740 going

01:46:42.840 to

01:46:42.920 give

01:46:43.020 you

01:46:43.120 loan

01:46:43.320 guarantees

01:46:43.680 if

01:46:44.000 you're

01:46:44.220 directly

01:46:44.740 harming

01:46:45.140 what

01:46:45.400 we

01:46:45.780 keep

01:46:46.000 telling

01:46:46.260 you

01:46:46.460 are

01:46:46.660 our

01:46:46.860 interests

01:46:47.340 and

01:46:47.980 what

01:46:48.860 happened

01:46:49.140 was

01:46:49.600 there

01:46:50.220 was

01:46:50.380 this

01:46:50.560 massive

01:46:50.960 smear

01:46:51.240 campaign

01:46:51.580 you can

01:46:51.800 go read

01:46:52.060 it

01:46:52.220 in any

01:46:52.660 newspaper

01:46:53.080 it was

01:46:53.900 led by

01:46:54.380 Bill

01:46:54.680 Clinton

01:46:55.000 who was

01:46:55.520 preparing

01:46:55.960 to run

01:46:56.340 against

01:46:56.620 George

01:46:56.860 H.W.

01:46:57.320 Bush

01:46:57.580 calling

01:46:58.400 the

01:46:58.620 Bush

01:46:58.780 administration

01:46:59.340 anti-Semites

01:47:00.420 suggesting

01:47:01.580 that they

01:47:02.040 were

01:47:02.200 inflaming

01:47:02.860 anti-Semitism

01:47:03.900 by

01:47:04.520 disagreeing

01:47:05.320 with Israel

01:47:05.740 in public

01:47:06.340 and since

01:47:07.260 then

01:47:07.520 there has

01:47:07.880 been

01:47:08.040 no

01:47:08.480 president

01:47:09.060 James

01:47:09.980 Baker

01:47:10.320 I mean

01:47:10.860 this is

01:47:11.820 like one

01:47:12.060 of the

01:47:12.240 most

01:47:12.440 respected

01:47:14.220 foreign

01:47:14.900 policy

01:47:15.480 operatives

01:47:16.860 in the

01:47:17.680 world

01:47:17.860 and I

01:47:18.160 hated

01:47:18.640 James

01:47:18.900 Baker

01:47:19.140 for a

01:47:19.460 lot

01:47:19.560 of

01:47:19.660 what

01:47:19.780 he

01:47:19.880 believed

01:47:20.220 at

01:47:20.360 the

01:47:20.480 time

01:47:20.720 I

01:47:20.900 would

01:47:21.580 have

01:47:21.700 to

01:47:21.820 probably

01:47:22.040 go back

01:47:22.420 and

01:47:22.660 revise

01:47:23.300 some

01:47:23.520 of

01:47:23.620 that

01:47:23.760 and

01:47:23.880 think

01:47:24.020 about

01:47:24.260 why

01:47:24.600 if

01:47:25.420 only

01:47:25.780 we

01:47:25.980 had

01:47:26.180 that

01:47:26.380 now

01:47:26.760 but

01:47:26.980 there

01:47:27.120 was

01:47:27.300 like

01:47:27.480 zero

01:47:28.100 zero

01:47:28.740 evidence

01:47:30.080 that he

01:47:30.800 harbored

01:47:31.440 any

01:47:31.780 animosity

01:47:32.340 well

01:47:32.620 there's

01:47:32.840 also

01:47:33.060 evidence

01:47:33.480 that

01:47:33.660 there

01:47:33.760 are

01:47:33.860 plans

01:47:34.080 to

01:47:34.220 commit

01:47:34.360 violence

01:47:34.800 against

01:47:35.200 George

01:47:35.780 H.W.

01:47:36.240 Bush

01:47:36.360 the

01:47:36.520 president

01:47:36.840 actually

01:47:37.600 that's

01:47:38.520 been

01:47:38.740 incredibly

01:47:39.140 alleged

01:47:39.520 so

01:47:40.300 whatever

01:47:40.720 no

01:47:41.520 of

01:47:41.780 course

01:47:42.000 you're

01:47:42.200 absolutely

01:47:42.520 what

01:47:42.720 you're

01:47:42.840 saying

01:47:43.060 is

01:47:43.200 absolutely

01:47:43.520 right

01:47:43.840 and

01:47:44.100 no

01:47:45.100 one

01:47:45.240 wants

01:47:45.520 to

01:47:45.680 deal

01:47:45.840 with

01:47:46.080 being

01:47:46.620 slandered

01:47:47.200 and

01:47:47.500 it

01:47:47.900 is

01:47:48.080 slander

01:47:48.420 it's

01:47:48.700 not

01:47:48.860 true

01:47:49.200 it's

01:47:49.460 unfair

01:47:49.860 it's

01:47:50.260 actually

01:47:51.400 pretty

01:47:52.520 over

01:47:52.740 the

01:47:52.900 top

01:47:53.280 well

01:47:54.760 the

01:47:54.960 irony

01:47:55.260 of it

01:47:55.520 Tucker

01:47:55.740 you're

01:47:56.100 transferring

01:47:56.540 American

01:47:56.980 military

01:47:57.400 technology

01:47:57.820 to China

01:47:58.240 if they're

01:47:59.220 operating

01:47:59.780 at least

01:48:00.380 in part

01:48:00.720 the port

01:48:01.060 of Haifa

01:48:01.440 we're

01:48:02.200 supporting

01:48:02.600 you

01:48:02.860 you have

01:48:03.860 to explain

01:48:04.260 that right

01:48:04.680 away

01:48:05.000 or else

01:48:05.820 we're

01:48:08.520 why would

01:48:08.980 we want

01:48:09.180 to be

01:48:09.420 helping

01:48:10.000 the

01:48:10.240 transfer

01:48:10.600 of

01:48:10.760 American

01:48:11.080 military

01:48:11.520 technology

01:48:12.060 to China

01:48:12.640 what the

01:48:13.300 hell

01:48:13.520 is

01:48:13.660 going

01:48:13.900 on

01:48:14.160 so

01:48:14.320 what

01:48:14.520 is

01:48:15.220 the

01:48:15.420 answer

01:48:15.840 to why

01:48:17.320 the

01:48:17.920 Trump

01:48:18.100 administration

01:48:18.540 given their

01:48:19.000 views of

01:48:19.300 China

01:48:19.500 doesn't

01:48:20.720 I think

01:48:21.360 that

01:48:21.740 the

01:48:23.100 first

01:48:23.500 step

01:48:24.100 well

01:48:25.060 I'll

01:48:25.160 just

01:48:25.280 say

01:48:25.420 my

01:48:25.680 position

01:48:26.000 is

01:48:26.140 probably

01:48:26.280 different

01:48:26.500 from

01:48:26.680 yours

01:48:26.880 but

01:48:27.060 like

01:48:27.320 I'm

01:48:27.780 not

01:48:27.920 against

01:48:28.160 Israel

01:48:28.500 I like

01:48:28.880 Israel

01:48:29.140 like

01:48:29.380 going

01:48:29.560 there

01:48:29.820 like

01:48:30.620 the

01:48:30.760 Israelis

01:48:31.000 nice

01:48:31.220 people

01:48:31.500 I'm

01:48:31.640 not

01:48:31.800 you know

01:48:32.080 don't

01:48:32.880 seek

01:48:33.080 any

01:48:38.520 desperately

01:48:39.000 lacks

01:48:39.580 and

01:48:40.200 it's

01:48:40.420 gotten

01:48:40.640 to

01:48:40.780 a

01:48:40.880 point

01:48:40.960 where

01:48:41.060 it's

01:48:41.160 dangerous

01:48:41.580 for

01:48:41.920 the

01:48:42.000 country

01:48:42.240 is

01:48:42.460 like

01:48:42.620 an

01:48:42.720 honest

01:48:42.880 conversation

01:48:43.340 about

01:48:43.580 any

01:48:43.920 of

01:48:44.080 this

01:48:44.240 stuff

01:48:44.580 and

01:48:45.340 that's

01:48:45.620 because

01:48:45.980 certain

01:48:46.460 ruthless

01:48:47.120 actors

01:48:48.460 when it's

01:48:49.000 coordinated

01:48:49.420 online

01:48:50.180 like

01:48:50.480 attack

01:48:50.880 everyone

01:48:51.260 is

01:48:51.480 like

01:48:51.700 a

01:48:51.880 you know

01:48:53.100 call

01:48:53.360 them

01:48:53.560 really

01:48:54.100 hurtful

01:48:55.680 names

01:48:56.160 that affect

01:48:57.180 your personal

01:48:57.640 relationships

01:48:58.160 when you

01:48:58.520 raise

01:48:58.720 these

01:48:58.840 questions

01:48:59.100 but

01:48:59.280 like

01:48:59.400 someone

01:48:59.580 needs

01:48:59.720 to be

01:48:59.880 brave

01:49:00.080 enough

01:49:00.280 to

01:49:00.400 say

01:49:00.620 let's

01:49:01.140 have

01:49:01.260 a

01:49:01.360 rational

01:49:01.620 conversation

01:49:02.140 about

01:49:02.380 our

01:49:02.500 national

01:49:02.780 interest

01:49:08.520 critique

01:49:09.680 or

01:49:10.140 grievance

01:49:10.900 about

01:49:11.300 the

01:49:11.480 American

01:49:11.760 left

01:49:12.220 over

01:49:12.560 the

01:49:12.720 past

01:49:13.100 20

01:49:13.620 years

01:49:14.160 has

01:49:15.080 been

01:49:15.360 the

01:49:15.560 minute

01:49:15.740 you

01:49:15.960 try

01:49:16.160 and

01:49:16.260 have

01:49:16.440 an

01:49:16.540 honest

01:49:16.760 conversation

01:49:17.280 about

01:49:17.560 any

01:49:17.840 kind

01:49:18.020 of

01:49:18.120 policy

01:49:18.440 you

01:49:18.620 instantly

01:49:19.000 get

01:49:19.340 smeared

01:49:20.000 as

01:49:20.220 a

01:49:20.340 racist

01:49:20.900 a

01:49:21.460 misogynist

01:49:22.400 because

01:49:22.800 of identity

01:49:23.240 politics

01:49:23.740 I don't

01:49:25.860 know

01:49:26.000 you may

01:49:26.460 be

01:49:26.620 suggesting

01:49:27.060 that

01:49:27.520 something

01:49:27.780 like

01:49:28.020 that's

01:49:28.280 going

01:49:28.460 on

01:49:28.660 it

01:49:29.040 might

01:49:29.260 be

01:49:29.400 a

01:49:29.560 little

01:49:29.740 bit

01:49:29.940 similar

01:49:30.320 that

01:49:30.620 the

01:49:30.780 minute

01:49:31.060 you

01:49:31.300 suggest

01:49:32.620 a

01:49:33.000 question

01:49:33.600 or

01:49:33.860 even

01:49:34.460 a

01:49:34.660 peep

01:49:34.840 of

01:49:34.980 criticism

01:49:35.360 about

01:49:35.580 Israel

01:49:35.840 you

01:49:36.020 instantly

01:49:36.500 are

01:49:36.700 branded

01:49:36.960 an

01:49:37.160 anti

01:49:37.420 summit

01:49:37.680 it

01:49:37.880 seems

01:49:38.220 pretty

01:49:38.460 similar

01:49:38.900 to me

01:49:39.360 to the

01:49:40.060 tactics

01:49:40.500 long used

01:49:40.980 by the

01:49:41.260 American

01:49:41.520 left

01:49:41.800 that the

01:49:42.100 conservatives

01:49:42.500 have been

01:49:43.000 vocally

01:49:44.080 complaining

01:49:44.440 about

01:49:44.680 for a

01:49:44.920 long time

01:49:45.320 Glenn

01:49:46.720 I would

01:49:47.260 love to

01:49:47.620 shout

01:49:47.800 you down

01:49:48.160 and say

01:49:48.400 that's

01:49:48.640 unfair

01:49:48.920 but it's

01:49:49.280 not

01:49:49.540 that is

01:49:50.100 fair

01:49:50.320 it's

01:49:51.100 true

01:49:51.300 what

01:49:51.460 you're

01:49:51.580 saying

01:49:51.800 is

01:49:51.940 true

01:49:52.240 and

01:49:52.580 it's

01:49:52.880 I

01:49:53.080 agree

01:49:53.500 and

01:49:53.820 it's

01:49:54.120 shameful

01:49:54.820 so

01:49:55.440 but

01:49:56.880 you know

01:49:57.520 the choice

01:49:58.100 is not

01:49:58.580 between

01:49:59.240 like

01:50:00.520 being a

01:50:01.000 Nazi

01:50:01.340 or being

01:50:02.220 Randy

01:50:02.540 fine

01:50:02.960 there is

01:50:05.580 like a

01:50:06.060 reasonable

01:50:06.740 sensible

01:50:07.620 rational

01:50:08.460 course

01:50:09.740 forward

01:50:10.280 where

01:50:10.960 our

01:50:11.740 country

01:50:12.100 like

01:50:12.320 every

01:50:12.580 other

01:50:12.760 country

01:50:13.220 makes

01:50:14.060 its

01:50:14.300 foreign

01:50:14.580 policy

01:50:14.940 decisions

01:50:15.340 on the

01:50:15.660 basis

01:50:15.900 of what's

01:50:16.380 best

01:50:16.580 for its

01:50:16.880 own

01:50:17.060 citizens

01:50:17.540 that's

01:50:17.960 like

01:50:18.100 like

01:50:18.600 you can

01:50:18.920 say

01:50:19.160 I don't

01:50:19.660 think

01:50:19.920 it serves

01:50:20.300 our

01:50:20.460 interest

01:50:20.800 to keep

01:50:21.240 the war

01:50:21.580 in Ukraine

01:50:21.920 going

01:50:22.240 and paying

01:50:22.620 for it

01:50:22.980 without

01:50:23.200 being

01:50:23.480 a

01:50:23.640 Kremlin

01:50:23.840 agent

01:50:24.260 exactly

01:50:24.980 or saying

01:50:25.780 I don't

01:50:26.820 know

01:50:27.100 you know

01:50:27.620 how is

01:50:28.220 it

01:50:28.380 good

01:50:28.680 that

01:50:28.900 American

01:50:29.260 military

01:50:29.640 technology

01:50:30.200 winds

01:50:30.540 up

01:50:30.720 in

01:50:30.880 China

01:50:31.280 or Pakistani

01:50:32.260 fighters

01:50:32.820 that they

01:50:33.160 receive

01:50:33.480 from

01:50:33.680 China

01:50:34.040 through

01:50:36.880 Israel

01:50:37.220 like

01:50:37.640 if

01:50:37.980 that's

01:50:38.300 true

01:50:38.540 and I

01:50:38.800 think

01:50:38.960 I

01:50:39.660 think

01:50:40.140 there's

01:50:40.320 a lot

01:50:40.480 of

01:50:40.580 evidence

01:50:40.820 that it

01:50:41.140 is

01:50:41.300 true

01:50:41.560 like

01:50:42.420 how

01:50:42.680 is

01:50:42.820 that

01:50:42.960 a

01:50:43.080 good

01:50:43.220 arrangement

01:50:43.660 and

01:50:43.980 why

01:50:44.360 is

01:50:44.580 our

01:50:44.740 greatest

01:50:45.020 ally

01:50:45.280 doing

01:50:45.580 that

01:50:45.780 to

01:50:45.980 us

01:50:46.320 I

01:50:46.500 don't

01:50:46.700 understand

01:50:47.100 I'm

01:50:47.360 like

01:50:47.460 really

01:50:47.640 confused

01:50:48.040 like

01:50:48.200 why

01:50:48.320 don't

01:50:48.400 you

01:50:48.480 answer

01:50:48.660 the

01:50:48.800 question

01:50:49.140 and

01:50:49.600 it's

01:50:49.700 not

01:50:49.920 enough

01:50:50.420 to

01:50:50.620 call

01:50:50.760 me

01:50:50.920 names

01:50:51.360 you

01:50:51.680 should

01:50:51.860 have

01:50:52.100 to

01:50:52.240 have

01:50:52.440 an

01:50:52.540 honest

01:50:52.760 conversation

01:50:53.240 about

01:50:53.480 this

01:50:53.700 and

01:50:54.460 I

01:50:54.560 do

01:50:54.700 think

01:50:54.900 when

01:50:55.040 that

01:50:55.300 begins

01:50:55.800 like

01:50:56.160 healing

01:50:56.720 begins

01:50:57.140 things

01:50:57.380 get

01:50:57.580 better

01:50:57.940 when

01:50:58.160 people

01:50:58.400 can

01:50:58.580 be

01:50:58.740 honest

01:50:59.160 I

01:50:59.700 think

01:50:59.960 I

01:51:01.240 mean

01:51:01.420 but

01:51:01.600 there's

01:51:01.840 so

01:51:02.040 many

01:51:02.280 mechanisms

01:51:02.840 like

01:51:03.280 we

01:51:03.400 just

01:51:03.580 I

01:51:04.000 just

01:51:04.440 I'm

01:51:04.720 still

01:51:05.020 every

01:51:05.280 I

01:51:05.440 know

01:51:05.580 I've

01:51:05.740 talked

01:51:05.900 about

01:51:06.020 it

01:51:06.080 so

01:51:06.160 many

01:51:06.240 times

01:51:06.420 but

01:51:06.540 my

01:51:06.660 mind

01:51:06.860 always

01:51:07.080 gets

01:51:07.260 so

01:51:07.460 blown

01:51:07.620 when

01:51:07.760 we

01:51:07.860 talk

01:51:08.040 about

01:51:08.200 it

01:51:08.280 again

01:51:08.540 talking

01:51:09.780 about

01:51:09.920 honesty

01:51:10.180 and

01:51:10.340 discourse

01:51:10.700 they

01:51:11.900 ban

01:51:12.280 the

01:51:12.440 bin

01:51:12.580 Laden

01:51:12.780 letter

01:51:13.100 there's

01:51:13.700 so

01:51:13.880 many

01:51:14.060 mechanisms

01:51:14.620 designed

01:51:15.460 to

01:51:15.700 prevent

01:51:16.120 any

01:51:17.140 honest

01:51:17.600 conversation

01:51:18.160 from being

01:51:18.620 held

01:51:18.920 about

01:51:19.160 all

01:51:19.540 sorts

01:51:19.920 of

01:51:20.100 policies

01:51:20.620 that

01:51:21.100 people

01:51:21.660 in

01:51:21.840 power

01:51:22.060 want

01:51:22.360 to

01:51:22.500 keep

01:51:22.680 immune

01:51:23.020 from

01:51:23.400 questioning

01:51:23.980 or

01:51:24.480 challenge

01:51:25.320 like

01:51:26.380 hey

01:51:26.660 why

01:51:27.140 are we

01:51:27.360 still

01:51:27.520 in

01:51:27.640 NATO

01:51:27.800 that's

01:51:28.200 to

01:51:28.340 me

01:51:28.540 the

01:51:28.700 thing

01:51:28.880 that

01:51:29.060 turned

01:51:29.380 people

01:51:30.300 in

01:51:30.580 the

01:51:32.100 establishment

01:51:32.520 against

01:51:33.220 Trump

01:51:33.440 more than

01:51:33.600 anything

01:51:33.760 we

01:51:33.880 already

01:51:34.000 talked

01:51:34.220 about

01:51:34.420 that

01:51:34.600 but

01:51:34.720 that's

01:51:35.840 not

01:51:35.980 supposed

01:51:36.160 to

01:51:36.280 be

01:51:36.780 a

01:51:37.080 questionable

01:51:37.760 topic

01:51:38.660 like

01:51:39.320 why

01:51:39.600 are we

01:51:39.780 still

01:51:39.960 NATO

01:51:40.240 and

01:51:40.720 oh

01:51:41.020 it's

01:51:41.160 a

01:51:41.280 defensive

01:51:41.680 alliance

01:51:42.520 except

01:51:42.840 like

01:51:43.220 we

01:51:43.600 bombed

01:51:44.540 Serbia

01:51:46.800 and

01:51:47.460 Yugoslavia

01:51:49.300 with it

01:51:50.120 even though

01:51:50.480 they weren't

01:51:50.880 actually posing

01:51:51.560 a threat

01:51:51.920 to

01:51:52.360 Western

01:51:53.080 Europe

01:51:53.340 and had

01:51:53.640 nothing

01:51:53.820 to do

01:51:54.060 with

01:51:54.180 the

01:51:54.320 Soviet

01:51:54.540 Union

01:51:54.940 or

01:51:55.600 like

01:51:55.840 it

01:51:56.020 went

01:51:56.200 to

01:51:56.360 war

01:51:56.520 in

01:51:56.660 Libya

01:51:56.960 to

01:51:57.320 remove

01:51:57.580 Muammar

01:51:57.940 Gaddafi

01:51:58.460 because

01:51:59.540 he

01:51:59.760 wanted

01:51:59.940 to

01:52:00.120 start

01:52:00.280 using

01:52:00.560 Libyan

01:52:00.840 oil

01:52:01.100 more

01:52:01.420 for

01:52:01.640 the

01:52:02.020 benefit

01:52:02.380 of

01:52:02.620 the

01:52:02.740 people

01:52:03.160 okay

01:52:03.600 Glenn

01:52:03.860 if I

01:52:04.040 could

01:52:04.140 say

01:52:04.300 it's

01:52:04.460 a

01:52:04.540 defensive

01:52:04.900 alliance

01:52:05.420 okay

01:52:05.880 those

01:52:06.300 are

01:52:06.700 preemptive

01:52:07.220 it's

01:52:07.580 no

01:52:12.640 it's

01:52:13.080 yeah

01:52:13.260 no

01:52:13.440 I

01:52:13.640 look

01:52:14.200 so

01:52:14.320 there

01:52:14.440 are

01:52:14.480 all

01:52:14.580 those

01:52:14.760 mechanisms

01:52:15.240 including

01:52:15.980 like

01:52:16.260 calling

01:52:16.480 people

01:52:16.680 racist

01:52:16.960 for

01:52:17.140 a

01:52:17.240 long

01:52:17.380 time

01:52:17.600 who

01:52:17.760 wanted

01:52:17.980 to

01:52:18.140 raise

01:52:18.320 issues

01:52:18.600 about

01:52:19.000 whatever

01:52:20.060 well

01:52:21.560 sure

01:52:21.820 I mean

01:52:22.060 I

01:52:22.140 remember

01:52:22.360 this

01:52:22.560 in

01:52:22.680 1991

01:52:23.160 when

01:52:23.440 I

01:52:23.540 got

01:52:23.700 into

01:52:23.860 this

01:52:24.040 business

01:52:24.460 doing

01:52:24.860 a

01:52:25.020 story

01:52:25.180 on

01:52:25.340 Head Start

01:52:25.720 I've

01:52:26.820 never

01:52:27.060 been

01:52:27.220 against

01:52:27.520 Head Start

01:52:27.900 as an

01:52:28.260 idea

01:52:28.620 the

01:52:28.880 original

01:52:29.260 idea

01:52:29.560 was

01:52:29.820 like

01:52:30.020 we're

01:52:30.160 going

01:52:30.260 to

01:52:30.400 literally

01:52:30.700 raise

01:52:31.300 children's

01:52:32.500 IQs

01:52:33.500 through

01:52:34.420 better

01:52:34.660 nutrition

01:52:35.120 and early

01:52:35.620 childhood

01:52:36.240 education

01:52:36.720 that is

01:52:37.500 not a

01:52:37.760 crazy

01:52:37.980 idea

01:52:38.300 it didn't

01:52:38.560 strike me

01:52:39.040 as crazy

01:52:39.380 at the

01:52:39.640 time

01:52:39.960 and you

01:52:40.620 start

01:52:40.760 asking

01:52:40.980 questions

01:52:41.400 well

01:52:41.580 does it

01:52:41.880 work

01:52:42.260 I don't

01:52:42.960 know

01:52:43.040 I'm

01:52:43.100 supposed

01:52:43.180 to

01:52:43.280 help

01:52:43.440 these

01:52:43.600 kids

01:52:43.860 is it

01:52:44.080 helping

01:52:44.300 them

01:52:44.480 shut up

01:52:44.840 racist

01:52:45.220 I was

01:52:47.140 so

01:52:47.400 confused

01:52:48.160 and I

01:52:48.540 realized

01:52:49.260 no one

01:52:50.040 even

01:52:50.160 remembers

01:52:50.420 what

01:52:50.540 Head Start

01:52:50.800 is

01:52:51.060 but it

01:52:51.420 was a

01:52:51.680 very

01:52:52.200 promising

01:52:52.640 program

01:52:53.120 in the

01:52:53.340 minds

01:52:53.520 of many

01:52:53.840 that

01:52:54.480 didn't

01:52:54.720 work

01:52:55.020 but the

01:52:56.020 point

01:52:56.420 of calling

01:52:56.880 you

01:52:57.060 names

01:52:57.440 was

01:52:58.060 to

01:52:58.440 continue

01:52:58.860 doing

01:52:59.200 things

01:52:59.560 the way

01:52:59.800 they'd

01:53:05.620 has

01:53:06.740 anything

01:53:07.180 to

01:53:07.480 necessarily

01:53:08.420 to do

01:53:09.160 with

01:53:09.560 ethnicity

01:53:10.260 or

01:53:10.540 religion

01:53:10.860 it's

01:53:11.120 just

01:53:11.260 like

01:53:11.420 what's

01:53:11.660 best

01:53:11.820 for

01:53:11.960 America

01:53:12.120 the

01:53:12.340 protest

01:53:12.680 movements

01:53:13.200 on college

01:53:13.640 campuses

01:53:14.080 were

01:53:14.760 I don't

01:53:15.440 want to

01:53:15.700 say

01:53:15.840 led by

01:53:16.400 because

01:53:16.660 that's

01:53:16.920 maybe

01:53:17.120 an

01:53:17.280 exaggeration

01:53:17.760 but

01:53:17.900 in many

01:53:18.160 cases

01:53:18.460 it's

01:53:18.660 definitely

01:53:19.520 true

01:53:19.860 but

01:53:20.100 driven

01:53:21.380 in large

01:53:22.140 part

01:53:22.440 by

01:53:22.840 Jewish

01:53:23.600 students

01:53:24.180 vehemently

01:53:24.900 opposed

01:53:25.460 to the

01:53:25.820 destruction

01:53:26.160 of Gaza

01:53:26.540 by Israel

01:53:27.060 so the

01:53:27.980 idea

01:53:28.280 that

01:53:28.540 somehow

01:53:29.060 it's

01:53:29.700 anti-Semitic

01:53:30.760 to question

01:53:31.920 either the

01:53:33.040 Israeli

01:53:33.360 destruction

01:53:33.880 of Gaza

01:53:34.360 or the

01:53:34.880 U.S.

01:53:35.120 financing

01:53:35.560 of it

01:53:36.040 when you

01:53:36.600 have

01:53:36.780 huge

01:53:37.060 numbers

01:53:37.320 of Jews

01:53:37.780 on the

01:53:38.240 streets

01:53:38.500 every day

01:53:38.940 marching

01:53:39.300 in protest

01:53:39.800 against

01:53:40.360 it

01:53:40.560 by itself

01:53:41.300 should reveal

01:53:42.040 how corrupted

01:53:43.360 that tactic

01:53:44.640 is

01:53:45.000 and yet

01:53:45.400 it's

01:53:46.180 so effective

01:53:47.460 because

01:53:48.120 it's

01:53:48.400 instantaneous

01:53:49.000 right

01:53:49.360 no one

01:53:49.880 wants to

01:53:50.160 be called

01:53:50.440 a racist

01:53:50.800 no one

01:53:51.300 wants to

01:53:51.580 be called

01:53:51.800 an anti-Semite

01:53:52.620 and it

01:53:54.660 is an

01:53:55.060 effective

01:53:55.320 tactic

01:53:55.660 at least

01:53:56.120 it makes

01:53:57.060 it so

01:53:57.460 that you

01:53:57.680 think

01:53:57.900 maybe it's

01:53:58.360 just easier

01:53:58.720 for me

01:53:58.980 to keep

01:53:59.200 my mouth

01:53:59.480 shut

01:53:59.620 about this

01:53:59.980 and talk

01:54:00.220 about

01:54:00.360 something

01:54:00.540 else

01:54:00.800 I've

01:54:01.080 always

01:54:01.300 felt

01:54:01.480 that way

01:54:01.860 it's

01:54:02.160 easier

01:54:02.560 I don't

01:54:02.740 want to

01:54:02.880 get involved

01:54:03.320 in it

01:54:03.680 it's not

01:54:04.040 worth it

01:54:04.780 I've got

01:54:05.820 all kinds

01:54:06.200 of concerns

01:54:06.680 about my

01:54:07.180 country

01:54:07.660 which really

01:54:08.440 is kind

01:54:08.800 of falling

01:54:09.160 apart

01:54:09.560 in key

01:54:10.620 and measurable

01:54:11.160 ways

01:54:11.660 like people

01:54:12.060 are dying

01:54:12.520 younger

01:54:12.940 I feel like

01:54:13.820 that's something

01:54:14.220 we should

01:54:14.500 think a lot

01:54:14.900 about

01:54:15.200 and try

01:54:15.540 and fix

01:54:15.940 and everything

01:54:16.340 it's like

01:54:16.620 I don't

01:54:16.800 want to

01:54:16.940 get involved

01:54:17.520 and I do

01:54:18.900 grieve

01:54:19.380 when I see

01:54:20.000 our public

01:54:20.500 conversation

01:54:21.080 hijacked

01:54:21.620 by what I

01:54:22.540 consider

01:54:22.800 foreign

01:54:23.220 concerns

01:54:23.860 like both

01:54:25.240 sides

01:54:25.480 like you

01:54:25.940 know you

01:54:26.160 shut down

01:54:26.860 midtown

01:54:27.240 Manhattan

01:54:27.620 because of

01:54:28.740 some conflict

01:54:29.560 thousands of

01:54:30.140 miles away

01:54:30.680 except it's

01:54:32.280 an American

01:54:32.700 war though

01:54:33.260 well that is

01:54:33.980 that is it

01:54:34.720 but it's not

01:54:35.920 just Israel

01:54:36.480 I mean you

01:54:36.880 you see it

01:54:37.380 all the time

01:54:37.820 you see people

01:54:38.120 getting murdered

01:54:39.320 in like the

01:54:40.060 upper midwest

01:54:41.000 because of

01:54:41.620 like there's

01:54:42.060 a sick

01:54:42.840 Hindu

01:54:43.900 you know

01:54:45.140 whatever

01:54:45.480 all that stuff

01:54:46.100 I just feel

01:54:46.480 I do feel

01:54:47.240 like this

01:54:48.360 country needs

01:54:49.080 a lot of

01:54:49.900 care and

01:54:50.220 attention

01:54:50.560 and it's

01:54:50.920 been neglected

01:54:51.480 and that's

01:54:52.080 how I feel

01:54:52.400 so I

01:54:52.720 maybe that's

01:54:53.940 how I

01:54:54.120 justify

01:54:54.480 staying out

01:54:55.100 of it

01:54:55.300 I don't

01:54:55.500 want to

01:54:55.680 be involved

01:54:56.160 in it

01:54:56.540 but you

01:54:56.900 have kind

01:54:57.360 of been

01:54:57.620 a little

01:54:57.840 bit more

01:54:58.120 involved

01:54:58.400 than you

01:54:58.640 used to

01:54:58.860 be

01:54:58.940 and I

01:54:59.240 think

01:54:59.440 but also

01:55:00.000 because

01:55:00.380 well it's

01:55:00.640 going to

01:55:00.840 destroy

01:55:01.260 the MAGA

01:55:02.180 movement

01:55:03.000 which I

01:55:03.380 think is

01:55:03.680 really

01:55:03.900 important

01:55:04.260 it's in

01:55:04.620 a sense

01:55:05.200 not just

01:55:05.580 about

01:55:05.780 Trump

01:55:06.020 of course

01:55:06.420 I love

01:55:06.700 Trump

01:55:07.000 I've said

01:55:07.740 that many

01:55:08.020 times

01:55:08.360 I have

01:55:09.340 displayed it

01:55:09.860 I campaigned

01:55:10.520 for Trump

01:55:10.900 and I'm

01:55:11.720 glad that I

01:55:12.120 did

01:55:12.320 but I

01:55:13.920 feel like

01:55:14.480 if there's

01:55:14.840 one thing

01:55:15.320 that could

01:55:15.720 destroy

01:55:16.240 this essential

01:55:17.180 reform

01:55:17.720 movement

01:55:18.180 it's like

01:55:18.900 kind of

01:55:19.160 our last

01:55:19.640 chance

01:55:20.080 to make

01:55:21.260 government

01:55:21.620 responsive

01:55:22.160 to the

01:55:22.620 people who

01:55:23.020 own the

01:55:23.300 government

01:55:23.560 which is

01:55:23.900 the

01:55:24.060 citizenry

01:55:24.540 this will

01:55:26.240 destroy it

01:55:26.940 because the

01:55:27.380 massive

01:55:27.640 contradiction

01:55:28.140 sitting at

01:55:28.640 the heart

01:55:28.880 of it

01:55:29.200 it's not

01:55:30.960 all the

01:55:31.140 stuff we

01:55:31.380 talked about

01:55:31.700 but also

01:55:32.200 free speech

01:55:33.280 free expression

01:55:34.260 not being

01:55:35.180 punished for

01:55:35.720 your views

01:55:36.240 was also a

01:55:37.420 vital part of

01:55:37.940 this movement

01:55:38.360 I know

01:55:38.880 that's why I

01:55:39.940 found so much

01:55:40.640 common ground

01:55:41.120 with the

01:55:41.480 American

01:55:41.720 right and

01:55:41.980 with the

01:55:42.200 MAGA

01:55:42.380 movement

01:55:42.700 over the

01:55:43.340 last 10

01:55:43.720 years

01:55:43.920 because of

01:55:44.360 my vehement

01:55:44.740 opposition

01:55:45.140 to

01:55:45.720 attempts to

01:55:46.660 censor

01:55:47.080 the internet

01:55:47.480 or introduce

01:55:48.200 laws to

01:55:49.000 characterize certain

01:55:50.200 views as

01:55:50.580 hate speech

01:55:51.060 and therefore

01:55:51.420 punishable

01:55:52.140 and that's

01:55:52.920 exactly what

01:55:53.720 has been

01:55:54.060 done

01:55:54.300 and it's

01:55:54.680 still being

01:55:55.060 done

01:55:55.280 I couldn't even

01:55:55.420 believe it

01:55:55.940 like when

01:55:56.380 I always liked

01:55:57.220 DeSantis

01:55:57.680 I spent a lot

01:55:58.980 of time in

01:55:59.420 Florida

01:55:59.680 I was there

01:56:00.120 for part

01:56:00.860 of the

01:56:01.160 pandemic

01:56:01.780 and I like

01:56:03.720 DeSantis

01:56:03.960 he's smart

01:56:04.660 you know

01:56:05.280 he's not a

01:56:05.740 warm guy

01:56:06.200 or anything

01:56:06.580 but I'm not

01:56:07.820 looking for

01:56:08.180 new friends

01:56:08.640 I like

01:56:09.060 respect DeSantis

01:56:09.720 and he's

01:56:10.380 very on it

01:56:11.040 on the

01:56:11.320 details

01:56:11.640 then he

01:56:12.560 signs a

01:56:13.520 hate speech

01:56:14.120 law

01:56:14.480 travels to a

01:56:15.920 foreign country

01:56:16.380 to sign a

01:56:16.820 hate speech

01:56:17.200 law in

01:56:17.580 Florida

01:56:18.020 and I was

01:56:19.360 so confused

01:56:20.240 I didn't even

01:56:20.640 think this was

01:56:21.040 real

01:56:21.320 and I said

01:56:22.240 to some people

01:56:23.220 that was a

01:56:23.740 hate speech

01:56:24.040 it's not a

01:56:24.440 hate speech

01:56:24.820 law

01:56:25.120 looks like

01:56:26.200 a hate

01:56:26.420 speech law

01:56:26.880 it looks like

01:56:27.580 Sharia law

01:56:28.060 kind of a

01:56:28.480 version of

01:56:28.860 Sharia law

01:56:29.360 in Florida

01:56:30.300 shut up

01:56:31.900 and no one

01:56:32.460 said anything

01:56:32.940 about it

01:56:33.520 and then

01:56:34.020 like all the

01:56:34.800 DeSantis

01:56:35.180 people start

01:56:35.760 attacking me

01:56:36.400 for noting

01:56:36.840 that I've

01:56:37.100 never talked

01:56:37.480 to DeSantis

01:56:37.800 again

01:56:38.200 on the basis

01:56:39.920 of that

01:56:40.240 like I don't

01:56:40.680 what is that

01:56:41.500 how can you

01:56:41.940 do that

01:56:42.320 in the United

01:56:42.660 States

01:56:42.960 I mean

01:56:43.300 there's

01:56:44.260 there's

01:56:44.780 this attempt

01:56:45.420 now to

01:56:45.800 impose on

01:56:46.320 colleges

01:56:46.760 require colleges

01:56:47.960 to adopt

01:56:48.440 but also

01:56:48.920 enact into

01:56:49.500 American law

01:56:50.120 this radical

01:56:51.080 expansion of

01:56:51.680 what anti-Semitism

01:56:52.380 means

01:56:52.840 like there's

01:56:53.200 laws that say

01:56:53.820 here's what

01:56:54.440 racism is

01:56:55.060 here's what

01:56:55.620 you know

01:56:56.060 xenophobia is

01:56:57.320 here's what

01:56:57.600 Islamophobia is

01:56:58.460 misogyny

01:56:59.020 whatever

01:56:59.280 to expand

01:57:00.420 the definition

01:57:00.920 of anti-Semitism

01:57:02.240 to include

01:57:03.740 statements

01:57:04.300 not only about

01:57:05.240 Jewish people

01:57:06.280 who should be

01:57:07.160 subjected to

01:57:07.840 critique

01:57:08.120 like you should

01:57:08.560 be able to

01:57:08.980 say

01:57:09.220 huh that

01:57:10.040 Ben Shapiro

01:57:10.580 seems to care

01:57:11.280 quite a lot

01:57:11.860 about Israel

01:57:12.420 maybe even

01:57:12.980 to the point

01:57:13.460 that he cares

01:57:14.160 about it more

01:57:14.560 than the United

01:57:14.900 States

01:57:15.180 like you should

01:57:15.940 be able to

01:57:16.360 express that

01:57:17.280 critique

01:57:17.600 so this

01:57:19.000 expanded

01:57:19.600 definition

01:57:20.200 prohibits

01:57:21.500 not only

01:57:21.840 statements like

01:57:22.320 that accusing

01:57:23.000 any Jewish

01:57:23.440 person of

01:57:23.900 having greater

01:57:24.320 loyalty

01:57:24.580 you can have

01:57:25.260 I can say

01:57:25.900 oh that

01:57:26.620 person's Irish

01:57:27.260 he seems to

01:57:28.140 really care a lot

01:57:28.860 about Ireland

01:57:29.440 more than the United

01:57:30.740 States

01:57:31.260 or that person

01:57:32.120 is Indian

01:57:32.760 he really seems

01:57:34.120 to care a lot

01:57:34.740 about India

01:57:35.300 maybe even more

01:57:36.440 so you're

01:57:36.880 allowed to say

01:57:37.240 all that

01:57:37.520 or in my

01:57:38.380 case Swedish

01:57:38.940 I've been

01:57:39.360 accused of dual

01:57:40.000 loyalty many times

01:57:40.900 oh your

01:57:41.240 obsession with Sweden

01:57:42.300 is so annoying

01:57:43.440 and like very

01:57:44.180 disturbing

01:57:44.700 but the other

01:57:45.880 thing is

01:57:46.240 you cannot

01:57:46.980 say

01:57:47.500 this is just

01:57:48.700 one example

01:57:49.140 you cannot

01:57:49.640 say Israel

01:57:50.400 is a racist

01:57:51.700 endeavor

01:57:52.260 you can say

01:57:53.660 Iran is a racist

01:57:54.980 endeavor

01:57:55.360 you can say

01:57:55.960 Hamas is a racist

01:57:56.900 endeavor

01:57:57.140 you can say

01:57:57.600 the United

01:57:58.060 States is a racist

01:57:59.180 endeavor

01:57:59.600 you can say

01:58:00.460 anything

01:58:00.920 you can be a

01:58:02.820 student at a

01:58:03.420 school a month

01:58:04.880 away from

01:58:05.260 completing your

01:58:05.860 PhD with a

01:58:07.100 completely clean

01:58:07.700 record

01:58:08.020 and you can

01:58:08.880 write an op-ed

01:58:09.440 saying

01:58:09.960 I think

01:58:10.660 America is a

01:58:11.700 country of

01:58:12.900 violence and

01:58:13.800 imperialism

01:58:14.560 and evil

01:58:15.200 and was

01:58:15.920 founded on

01:58:16.460 racism

01:58:16.860 and you'll

01:58:17.220 be totally

01:58:17.560 fine

01:58:17.900 you write

01:58:18.640 an op-ed

01:58:19.180 one-tenth

01:58:20.180 of those

01:58:21.600 criticisms

01:58:22.080 but about

01:58:22.660 Israel

01:58:23.040 and ISIS

01:58:23.920 coming to

01:58:24.360 get you

01:58:24.640 and to

01:58:24.840 deport

01:58:25.140 you

01:58:25.420 why is

01:58:26.580 that

01:58:26.800 why is

01:58:27.480 not just

01:58:28.160 our free

01:58:28.440 speech being

01:58:28.860 limited

01:58:29.180 but being

01:58:30.100 limited

01:58:30.440 not even

01:58:31.260 to protect

01:58:31.700 our own

01:58:32.060 society

01:58:32.420 and our

01:58:32.700 own

01:58:32.860 government

01:58:33.140 but to

01:58:33.500 protect

01:58:33.780 a foreign

01:58:34.240 government

01:58:34.620 from

01:58:34.880 critique

01:58:35.440 so this

01:58:37.600 is the

01:58:37.880 kind of

01:58:38.160 thing

01:58:38.320 that cannot

01:58:38.980 be sustained

01:58:39.740 by a

01:58:40.160 movement

01:58:40.420 that has

01:58:41.060 certain

01:58:41.320 values

01:58:41.700 that it

01:58:41.960 professes

01:58:42.460 that are

01:58:42.700 being

01:58:42.960 radically

01:58:43.800 assaulted

01:58:44.340 by this

01:58:45.180 one single

01:58:45.840 policy

01:58:46.880 and loyalty

01:58:47.400 toward this

01:58:47.800 other country

01:58:48.260 I could not

01:58:48.720 agree more

01:58:49.320 I mean it's

01:58:50.060 no matter

01:58:50.560 and I do

01:58:51.500 think

01:58:51.760 and I know

01:58:52.160 people who

01:58:53.020 love Israel

01:58:54.140 and believe

01:58:55.780 in the project

01:58:56.500 and it's fine

01:58:57.480 I have a million

01:58:58.660 friends who

01:58:59.140 believe that

01:59:00.080 and I'm not

01:59:00.940 mad at them

01:59:01.660 about it

01:59:02.120 but you could

01:59:03.160 believe that

01:59:03.960 and say

01:59:04.820 America's

01:59:05.940 founding documents

01:59:07.220 its bill of

01:59:07.800 rights

01:59:08.140 is sacrosanct

01:59:09.500 and under

01:59:10.220 no circumstances

01:59:11.240 should American

01:59:11.900 citizens

01:59:12.480 be stripped

01:59:13.140 of their

01:59:13.500 rights

01:59:13.840 any

01:59:14.640 circumstances

01:59:15.260 period

01:59:15.740 it doesn't

01:59:16.160 matter

01:59:16.500 whether it's

01:59:17.020 in the

01:59:17.200 service of

01:59:17.540 a foreign

01:59:17.840 nation

01:59:18.180 or any

01:59:19.100 service of

01:59:19.820 anything

01:59:20.060 like that's

01:59:20.680 the whole

01:59:20.920 point of

01:59:21.260 America

01:59:21.680 like you

01:59:22.860 could have

01:59:23.140 that position

01:59:23.620 couldn't you

01:59:24.080 I mean

01:59:25.060 there's

01:59:25.620 the whole

01:59:26.280 MAGA movement

01:59:26.720 is about

01:59:27.100 preserving

01:59:27.540 American

01:59:28.960 identity

01:59:29.780 and American

01:59:30.280 values

01:59:30.840 so what

01:59:31.220 does that

01:59:31.520 mean

01:59:31.820 it certainly

01:59:32.620 has to

01:59:33.200 include

01:59:33.760 America's

01:59:34.980 founding

01:59:35.220 documents

01:59:35.760 I don't

01:59:35.980 know what

01:59:36.260 else it

01:59:36.600 would include

01:59:37.100 I don't

01:59:37.540 know what

01:59:37.780 else there

01:59:38.060 is

01:59:38.260 right

01:59:38.500 so if

01:59:39.080 you cannot

01:59:39.740 simultaneously

01:59:40.420 say that

01:59:41.240 you want

01:59:41.580 to be a

01:59:42.360 movement

01:59:42.600 that is

01:59:43.020 devoted to

01:59:43.700 preserving

01:59:44.200 American

01:59:45.000 identity

01:59:45.580 and American

01:59:46.080 values

01:59:46.620 while at

01:59:47.480 the same

01:59:47.860 time

01:59:48.300 permitting

01:59:49.060 attacks

01:59:50.140 on the

01:59:50.560 core

01:59:50.760 rights

01:59:51.100 and the

01:59:51.400 core

01:59:51.580 founding

01:59:52.040 ideals

01:59:52.640 on which

01:59:53.660 the entire

01:59:54.140 country

01:59:54.460 was founded

01:59:54.960 right

01:59:55.180 right

01:59:55.780 no I

01:59:56.240 couldn't

01:59:56.680 agree

01:59:56.900 more

01:59:57.180 I'm

01:59:58.020 for all

01:59:58.740 my

01:59:59.060 really

02:00:00.440 sustained

02:00:00.940 efforts

02:00:01.360 to just

02:00:01.680 stay away

02:00:02.060 from stuff

02:00:02.460 I don't

02:00:02.660 want to

02:00:02.880 deal

02:00:03.020 with it

02:00:03.500 upsets

02:00:04.120 people

02:00:04.500 it's

02:00:04.860 like not

02:00:05.160 my

02:00:05.420 greatest

02:00:05.820 interest

02:00:06.160 in life

02:00:06.580 it's

02:00:06.740 not even

02:00:06.940 on the

02:00:07.160 top 10

02:00:07.560 and I

02:00:09.200 shouldn't

02:00:09.500 have to

02:00:10.000 care

02:00:10.160 this

02:00:10.340 much

02:00:10.520 about

02:00:10.660 a

02:00:10.740 foreign

02:00:10.880 country

02:00:11.140 that's

02:00:11.400 kind

02:00:11.560 of

02:00:11.640 like

02:00:11.780 my

02:00:11.960 internal

02:00:12.280 monologue

02:00:13.260 on this

02:00:13.720 question

02:00:14.060 I feel

02:00:15.100 like it's

02:00:15.640 being pushed

02:00:16.120 to the

02:00:16.400 point

02:00:16.620 where

02:00:16.960 it's

02:00:17.340 in a

02:00:17.600 this

02:00:18.420 whole

02:00:18.860 species

02:00:19.460 of

02:00:20.200 new

02:00:20.900 stories

02:00:21.200 ideas

02:00:21.640 developments

02:00:24.340 is a

02:00:24.880 threat

02:00:25.120 to

02:00:25.440 our

02:00:26.640 bill

02:00:27.080 of

02:00:27.220 rights

02:00:27.560 and that

02:00:28.480 has to

02:00:28.920 be

02:00:29.220 the

02:00:29.780 point

02:00:29.940 where

02:00:30.060 you're

02:00:30.160 like

02:00:30.300 no

02:00:30.460 stop

02:00:30.800 right

02:00:31.580 I

02:00:32.520 mean

02:00:32.840 you know

02:00:34.040 I

02:00:34.300 I

02:00:34.860 I

02:00:35.720 said

02:00:36.120 before

02:00:36.460 that you

02:00:36.840 go to

02:00:37.120 other

02:00:37.300 countries

02:00:37.620 and you

02:00:37.880 see

02:00:38.040 all

02:00:38.240 these

02:00:38.420 values

02:00:38.780 of

02:00:38.940 other

02:00:39.120 countries

02:00:39.400 that

02:00:39.520 you're

02:00:39.640 told

02:00:39.840 have

02:00:40.060 none

02:00:40.320 but I

02:00:41.140 also

02:00:41.340 said

02:00:41.640 like

02:00:41.920 there

02:00:42.120 are

02:00:42.260 certain

02:00:42.520 things

02:00:42.920 about

02:00:43.360 the

02:00:43.480 United

02:00:43.620 States

02:00:43.920 that I

02:00:44.180 consider

02:00:44.480 uniquely

02:00:44.840 valuable

02:00:45.300 and one

02:00:45.660 of them

02:00:45.980 is

02:00:46.260 you know

02:00:46.860 the stuff

02:00:47.220 that I

02:00:47.420 went and studied

02:00:48.020 in law school

02:00:48.520 which I

02:00:48.840 became incredibly

02:00:49.640 enamored of

02:00:50.200 and still

02:00:50.580 am

02:00:50.820 which are

02:00:51.080 like

02:00:51.340 the

02:00:51.720 federalist

02:00:52.180 papers

02:00:52.500 and the

02:00:52.920 debates

02:00:53.240 over

02:00:53.480 like how

02:00:53.900 to form

02:00:54.280 this new

02:00:54.620 government

02:00:54.940 to prevent

02:00:55.660 it from

02:00:56.560 replicating

02:00:57.060 the tyrannies

02:00:57.740 of other

02:00:58.320 governments

02:00:58.680 including

02:00:59.040 the

02:00:59.240 empire

02:00:59.560 that

02:00:59.780 they

02:00:59.920 had

02:01:00.060 just

02:01:00.240 risked

02:01:00.580 all

02:01:00.760 of

02:01:00.860 their

02:01:00.980 lives

02:01:01.340 to

02:01:01.540 wage

02:01:01.780 war

02:01:01.980 from

02:01:02.180 and

02:01:02.320 gain

02:01:02.480 independence

02:01:02.940 from

02:01:03.360 and

02:01:04.440 created

02:01:05.080 these

02:01:05.340 documents

02:01:05.820 that

02:01:06.060 to

02:01:06.200 this

02:01:06.380 very

02:01:06.540 day

02:01:06.760 continue

02:01:07.200 to

02:01:07.440 be

02:01:07.720 our

02:01:07.900 guiding

02:01:08.140 principles

02:01:08.700 and

02:01:09.900 the

02:01:10.560 idea

02:01:10.880 that

02:01:11.080 we're

02:01:11.200 going

02:01:11.360 to

02:01:11.540 permit

02:01:11.980 the

02:01:12.300 erosion

02:01:12.740 of

02:01:12.940 those

02:01:13.320 for

02:01:13.660 any

02:01:14.000 reason

02:01:14.480 is

02:01:15.100 offensive

02:01:15.420 to

02:01:15.640 me

02:01:15.780 but

02:01:15.960 to

02:01:16.140 do

02:01:16.460 so

02:01:16.800 in

02:01:17.140 defense

02:01:17.640 of

02:01:17.880 a

02:01:18.060 foreign

02:01:18.340 country

02:01:18.680 on

02:01:18.820 the

02:01:18.900 other

02:01:19.040 side

02:01:19.220 of

02:01:19.320 the

02:01:19.420 world

02:01:19.740 because

02:01:20.500 they

02:01:20.700 have

02:01:20.820 so

02:01:21.000 much

02:01:21.160 influence

02:01:21.600 in

02:01:21.740 our

02:01:21.880 politics

02:01:22.440 that

02:01:23.820 is

02:01:24.080 just

02:01:25.280 so

02:01:25.640 offensive

02:01:25.940 to

02:01:26.120 me

02:01:26.220 I

02:01:26.300 don't

02:01:26.400 care

02:01:26.520 what

02:01:26.640 impact

02:01:26.920 it

02:01:27.060 has

02:01:27.220 on

02:01:27.320 my

02:01:27.460 career

02:01:27.740 I

02:01:27.880 don't

02:01:27.980 care

02:01:28.120 what

02:01:28.240 people

02:01:28.460 say

02:01:28.660 about

02:01:28.860 me

02:01:29.040 that

02:01:29.300 is

02:01:29.540 something

02:01:29.900 I

02:01:30.080 will

02:01:30.180 never

02:01:30.480 stop

02:01:30.940 talking

02:01:31.240 about

02:01:31.440 I

02:01:31.580 agree

02:01:31.780 and

02:01:31.900 I

02:01:32.000 think

02:01:32.180 it's

02:01:32.340 not

02:01:32.560 sustainable

02:01:33.440 because

02:01:33.860 as

02:01:34.060 you

02:01:34.200 said

02:01:34.400 it's

02:01:34.660 the

02:01:34.820 contradiction

02:01:35.240 is

02:01:35.500 just

02:01:35.660 too

02:01:35.880 obvious

02:01:36.780 and

02:01:37.100 last

02:01:38.700 thing

02:01:38.880 I'll

02:01:38.960 say

02:01:39.120 is

02:01:39.340 not

02:01:39.920 that

02:01:40.080 it's

02:01:40.260 a

02:01:40.520 top

02:01:40.960 concern

02:01:50.700 yeah

02:01:51.480 that's

02:01:52.180 not

02:01:52.340 I

02:01:52.500 don't

02:01:52.600 know

02:01:52.740 how

02:01:52.860 that

02:01:53.040 helps

02:01:53.340 and

02:01:53.980 you

02:01:54.140 can't

02:01:54.820 transfer

02:01:55.300 American

02:01:55.880 military

02:01:56.480 technology

02:01:57.000 to

02:01:57.220 China

02:01:57.520 I

02:01:57.800 just

02:01:57.900 want

02:01:58.000 to

02:01:58.060 say

02:01:58.160 that

02:01:58.280 for

02:01:58.380 the

02:01:58.480 fifth

02:01:58.640 time

02:01:58.860 because

02:01:59.220 I

02:01:59.860 don't

02:01:59.960 think

02:02:00.080 most

02:02:00.240 people

02:02:00.420 know

02:02:00.600 that

02:02:00.740 that's

02:02:01.040 happening

02:02:01.540 but

02:02:01.800 it

02:02:01.900 is

02:02:02.140 I

02:02:02.900 want

02:02:03.000 to

02:02:03.040 ask

02:02:03.160 you

02:02:03.220 one

02:02:03.320 last

02:02:03.520 question

02:02:04.420 on

02:02:05.120 we

02:02:05.860 had

02:02:05.920 this

02:02:06.040 long

02:02:06.680 and

02:02:06.860 deep

02:02:07.060 conversation

02:02:07.740 off

02:02:08.000 camera

02:02:08.400 about

02:02:09.140 what

02:02:10.500 makes

02:02:11.360 people

02:02:11.760 happy

02:02:12.280 and

02:02:12.780 there

02:02:12.920 does

02:02:13.280 seem

02:02:13.540 to

02:02:13.700 be

02:02:13.820 quite

02:02:14.080 apart

02:02:14.400 from

02:02:14.800 politics

02:02:15.760 or

02:02:16.080 global

02:02:17.440 affairs

02:02:18.280 like

02:02:18.900 an

02:02:19.440 epidemic

02:02:19.960 of

02:02:20.320 unhappiness

02:02:20.980 at least

02:02:21.540 in the

02:02:21.840 world

02:02:22.040 that I

02:02:22.380 live

02:02:22.620 in

02:02:22.920 in

02:02:23.300 the

02:02:23.420 west

02:02:23.820 in

02:02:24.040 the

02:02:24.180 west

02:02:24.580 not

02:02:25.440 thank

02:02:25.720 god

02:02:25.880 in

02:02:25.960 my

02:02:26.100 family

02:02:26.340 but

02:02:26.600 everywhere

02:02:27.320 else

02:02:27.580 people

02:02:27.800 are

02:02:27.960 really

02:02:28.100 unhappy

02:02:28.300 it's

02:02:28.440 measurable

02:02:28.820 suicide

02:02:29.200 rates

02:02:29.440 where

02:02:31.040 do

02:02:31.160 you

02:02:31.260 think

02:02:31.420 what

02:02:31.660 is

02:02:31.800 that

02:02:32.120 well

02:02:33.800 first

02:02:34.060 of

02:02:34.160 all

02:02:34.260 there's

02:02:34.800 a

02:02:35.020 documentary

02:02:35.480 that

02:02:36.380 is

02:02:36.960 on

02:02:37.120 Netflix

02:02:37.540 that

02:02:37.720 I

02:02:37.840 watched

02:02:38.280 many

02:02:38.920 years

02:02:39.180 ago

02:02:39.500 called

02:02:40.720 happiness

02:02:41.120 and it

02:02:42.120 measures

02:02:42.640 the rate

02:02:43.680 of

02:02:43.800 happiness

02:02:44.180 in various

02:02:44.640 places

02:02:44.980 around

02:02:45.220 the

02:02:45.360 world

02:02:45.560 and it

02:02:45.840 turns

02:02:46.100 out

02:02:46.460 that

02:02:47.040 in

02:02:47.200 some

02:02:47.340 of

02:02:47.420 the

02:02:47.520 poorest

02:02:47.740 countries

02:02:48.060 in the

02:02:48.340 world

02:02:48.540 the levels

02:02:48.980 of

02:02:49.140 happiness

02:02:49.480 are at

02:02:49.820 its

02:02:49.940 highest

02:02:50.220 and some

02:02:50.560 of the

02:02:50.740 richest

02:02:50.920 countries

02:02:51.280 of the

02:02:51.540 world

02:02:51.720 the rate

02:02:52.260 of happiness

02:02:52.680 is at

02:02:53.020 its lowest

02:02:53.720 and

02:02:55.060 in many

02:02:56.440 of those

02:02:56.700 poorest

02:02:57.020 countries

02:02:57.500 they live

02:02:58.020 in

02:02:58.160 villages

02:02:58.500 where

02:02:59.960 they have

02:03:01.260 their children

02:03:01.680 around them

02:03:02.120 all the

02:03:02.340 time

02:03:02.700 they

02:03:03.440 have

02:03:04.720 extreme

02:03:05.940 connectivity

02:03:06.580 and

02:03:06.900 connection

02:03:07.280 to

02:03:07.780 other

02:03:08.240 human

02:03:08.460 beings

02:03:08.740 who live

02:03:09.120 in their

02:03:09.300 community

02:03:09.620 they live

02:03:10.120 in a

02:03:10.320 communitarian

02:03:10.800 way

02:03:11.220 so

02:03:12.220 they are

02:03:13.400 constantly

02:03:13.940 receiving

02:03:14.820 one of

02:03:15.920 the things

02:03:16.340 I might

02:03:16.860 even say

02:03:17.300 the

02:03:17.680 greatest

02:03:18.500 thing

02:03:18.960 that

02:03:19.620 constitutes

02:03:20.140 human

02:03:20.480 happiness

02:03:20.860 which is

02:03:21.280 connection

02:03:21.700 to other

02:03:22.160 human

02:03:22.420 beings

02:03:22.940 we are

02:03:23.860 political

02:03:24.420 and social

02:03:24.820 animals

02:03:25.160 we can't

02:03:25.620 survive

02:03:26.020 isolated

02:03:26.540 you look

02:03:27.700 at any

02:03:28.060 people

02:03:28.420 who have

02:03:28.960 been put

02:03:29.360 in

02:03:29.540 sustained

02:03:29.920 isolation

02:03:30.340 and they

02:03:30.780 will say

02:03:31.140 that

02:03:31.400 there's

02:03:32.280 nothing

02:03:32.620 worse

02:03:33.020 than

02:03:33.200 that

02:03:33.460 John McKean

02:03:33.960 talked about

02:03:34.300 that all

02:03:34.480 the time

02:03:34.760 that he

02:03:34.940 was physically

02:03:35.780 savage

02:03:36.280 but that

02:03:36.820 that was

02:03:37.120 nowhere near

02:03:37.820 as horrifying

02:03:39.780 and terrorizing

02:03:40.960 as the

02:03:41.800 sustained

02:03:42.220 isolation

02:03:42.700 that he

02:03:42.960 was kept

02:03:43.280 in

02:03:43.400 where you

02:03:43.620 have no

02:03:44.040 human

02:03:44.300 beings

02:03:44.600 around

02:03:44.820 to connect

02:03:45.260 to

02:03:45.420 or talk

02:03:45.800 to

02:03:45.980 or interact

02:03:46.860 with

02:03:47.200 we need

02:03:47.640 that

02:03:47.840 so

02:03:48.140 fundamentally

02:03:48.700 and you

02:03:49.660 look at

02:03:49.960 how the

02:03:50.220 West

02:03:50.460 is now

02:03:51.380 constructed

02:03:51.880 where

02:03:52.400 people

02:03:53.080 leave their

02:03:54.020 house

02:03:54.400 early in the

02:03:55.280 morning

02:03:55.560 both

02:03:56.040 couples

02:03:56.960 you know

02:03:57.380 both parts

02:03:57.840 of a

02:03:58.360 couple

02:03:58.640 the children

02:03:59.100 don't

02:03:59.620 go run

02:04:00.120 off to

02:04:00.420 so everybody's

02:04:00.980 running off

02:04:01.320 in different

02:04:01.600 directions

02:04:02.120 when our

02:04:04.580 parents get

02:04:06.220 sick we put

02:04:06.720 them at

02:04:06.980 homes we

02:04:07.460 don't you

02:04:07.920 know when

02:04:08.380 they get

02:04:08.640 old that we

02:04:09.000 put them

02:04:09.240 in homes we

02:04:09.720 don't stay

02:04:10.380 together as

02:04:10.900 families anymore

02:04:11.540 and then when

02:04:12.920 we work we

02:04:13.420 all go

02:04:13.780 scatter far

02:04:14.780 away and we

02:04:15.420 spend all

02:04:15.900 day in

02:04:16.320 cubicles and

02:04:17.480 then the

02:04:17.760 worst part is

02:04:18.480 the internet

02:04:19.140 encourages us

02:04:20.020 to stay at

02:04:20.600 home people

02:04:21.020 got trained

02:04:21.620 during COVID

02:04:22.200 especially how

02:04:23.540 to live

02:04:23.940 completely isolated

02:04:24.920 from the rest

02:04:25.400 of the

02:04:25.560 world and

02:04:25.860 from everybody

02:04:26.380 else they

02:04:26.780 were forced

02:04:27.360 into it

02:04:27.900 and if you

02:04:29.600 deprive human

02:04:30.280 beings of

02:04:30.840 connection then

02:04:32.580 there you can

02:04:33.360 have all the

02:04:33.940 money in the

02:04:34.320 world all the

02:04:34.760 fame in the

02:04:35.100 world whatever

02:04:35.660 you think is is

02:04:36.740 the thing that

02:04:37.240 will make you

02:04:37.560 happy and you

02:04:38.120 will never find

02:04:38.800 happiness and I

02:04:40.100 think we know we

02:04:41.060 both know

02:04:41.540 Johanna Hari who's

02:04:43.040 a friend of ours who

02:04:43.660 wrote this incredibly

02:04:44.560 like I think

02:04:46.160 revolutionary book

02:04:47.000 about how to

02:04:47.440 understand addiction

02:04:48.300 yes and

02:04:49.720 and depression and

02:04:50.660 sadness in general

02:04:51.480 emptiness right he

02:04:52.280 then wrote another

02:04:52.920 book about just like

02:04:53.760 the depression

02:04:54.520 epidemic in

02:04:56.460 especially among

02:04:57.420 younger people in

02:04:57.960 the west that

02:04:59.020 first book about

02:04:59.680 addiction the

02:05:02.620 thesis of it was

02:05:03.600 that people think

02:05:04.780 the opposite of

02:05:06.220 addiction is

02:05:06.780 sobriety when in

02:05:08.560 reality the opposite

02:05:09.400 of addiction is

02:05:10.120 connection and by

02:05:12.800 that what he

02:05:13.620 means is that all

02:05:14.720 of these things are

02:05:15.260 spiritual diseases

02:05:16.080 depression and

02:05:18.060 addiction and

02:05:19.400 anxiety and all

02:05:20.840 these disorders that

02:05:21.600 people suffer from

02:05:22.380 that are new like

02:05:23.500 you talk to anyone

02:05:24.440 in Gen Z I have

02:05:25.560 colleagues in Gen Z

02:05:26.380 my kids are getting

02:05:27.040 to that age you

02:05:28.160 know they're 16 and

02:05:28.880 17 I see their

02:05:29.740 their their age group

02:05:30.900 there's so much like

02:05:32.000 mental disorder it's

02:05:34.500 because society is not

02:05:35.540 giving human beings

02:05:36.280 what they want which

02:05:37.360 is connection and

02:05:39.180 that's why like the

02:05:40.060 only you can go talk

02:05:41.060 to medical doctors

02:05:42.740 about addiction and

02:05:44.700 they will all tell you

02:05:45.400 the same thing which

02:05:46.040 is like there is no

02:05:47.380 cure for addiction

02:05:48.480 chemically medically

02:05:49.560 the only cure for

02:05:50.600 addiction is going to

02:05:52.680 places like an A or

02:05:53.480 A or whatever because

02:05:54.600 there you find this

02:05:55.780 instant and immediate

02:05:57.180 connection based on

02:05:58.440 with any kind of human

02:05:59.660 being based on shared

02:06:01.100 experiences and that's

02:06:02.560 the only thing that

02:06:04.340 cures that disease

02:06:05.280 because it's a disease

02:06:06.420 of the spirit like of

02:06:07.660 the soul it's not a

02:06:09.100 biological disease where

02:06:10.100 chemical medications

02:06:11.720 will cure it and I

02:06:14.120 think that the ability

02:06:15.680 to be open to human

02:06:16.940 connection to have it

02:06:19.160 readily available is

02:06:20.580 probably the foundation

02:06:21.660 of human happiness and

02:06:22.640 the deprivation of it is

02:06:23.620 what will eliminate

02:06:25.080 human happiness and all

02:06:26.140 of modern society is

02:06:27.020 about keeping people

02:06:28.240 stratified and isolated

02:06:29.420 and away from each

02:06:30.260 other and you know I

02:06:33.100 think there's like

02:06:33.660 surveys that say you

02:06:34.940 know people who are in

02:06:35.640 their 20s will say on

02:06:37.060 average they have like

02:06:37.960 one friend at most or

02:06:39.940 like two friends at most

02:06:41.580 that they rarely see

02:06:42.600 people live away from

02:06:43.720 their family everything

02:06:44.640 is about depriving

02:06:46.840 people of connection

02:06:47.800 not saying that was

02:06:48.900 the intent or the

02:06:49.800 plan but that's the

02:06:50.560 outcome and there's no

02:06:52.120 way to have human

02:06:54.120 happiness without

02:06:54.940 connection I know that

02:06:57.360 in my life the place

02:06:58.440 where I've seen it most

02:06:59.580 clearly is in AA I

02:07:01.560 haven't sober many years

02:07:03.420 haven't been a ton but

02:07:04.740 the first time I ever

02:07:05.640 went I was so struck by

02:07:08.260 how what I was seeing

02:07:09.560 was kind of what people

02:07:12.280 have talked about but

02:07:13.400 sort of presented an

02:07:14.560 ersatz replica of like

02:07:16.740 true connection between

02:07:19.200 people from totally

02:07:20.940 different backgrounds

02:07:22.740 cultures races it was

02:07:25.180 the diversity we're

02:07:26.160 always promised but like

02:07:27.140 we're so cynical about I

02:07:28.340 am so cynical about it's

02:07:29.120 all bullshit you go to

02:07:30.840 an AA meeting and

02:07:31.740 because it begins with

02:07:33.360 stripping away with

02:07:35.380 basically ritual

02:07:36.480 humiliation oh I'm

02:07:37.960 talking about an

02:07:38.320 alcoholic it's like look

02:07:39.420 say that out loud it

02:07:40.460 hurts even if it's true

02:07:42.120 which my case and like

02:07:42.900 the first admission is

02:07:43.980 like I am powerless

02:07:45.000 that's exactly right like

02:07:46.960 you're to confess your

02:07:48.260 impotence but you have

02:07:49.560 to confess it and once

02:07:51.820 that that strips away all

02:07:53.880 the pretense and then

02:07:55.660 you like you experience

02:07:57.540 people on a level that

02:07:59.180 church promises but I

02:08:00.600 personally have never

02:08:01.400 experienced in church I

02:08:02.540 want to but where it's

02:08:04.280 just like you are dealing

02:08:07.840 with people on the most

02:08:09.720 human level like all

02:08:11.480 that matters is the

02:08:12.240 other person's soul or

02:08:14.500 something I don't know I

02:08:15.620 you know it's into like

02:08:17.020 the new the new pope and

02:08:19.080 like this is the part of

02:08:20.180 catholicism that I really

02:08:21.460 admire so much like the

02:08:23.220 ethos of the gospels you

02:08:24.520 know Jesus always wanted

02:08:26.200 to minister to the like the

02:08:27.500 lepers and the

02:08:28.160 prostitutes and the

02:08:29.020 outcasts even though there

02:08:31.360 was no necessary like

02:08:32.620 common bond between them

02:08:33.960 other than their humanity

02:08:35.000 which is what the gospels

02:08:36.520 teach you to to basically

02:08:39.860 think about the world as

02:08:42.060 as being about is human

02:08:43.780 connection is as as as the

02:08:46.160 ability to look at the

02:08:47.800 lowest people and see

02:08:50.020 their soul see that they're

02:08:51.180 all equal before God all

02:08:52.420 of this exactly and one of

02:08:54.460 the things diversity does

02:08:55.480 like diversity in this like

02:08:56.600 modern corporatized HR

02:08:58.400 sense is it pretends to do

02:09:00.500 that but it actually is

02:09:01.540 constantly reminding you of

02:09:02.960 these differences and

02:09:03.760 forcing you to think about

02:09:04.660 them like oh I have three

02:09:06.360 black co-workers and I'm

02:09:07.540 supposed to get along with

02:09:08.400 and I have like two gay

02:09:09.320 ones over here and like

02:09:10.380 you're it is constantly

02:09:11.940 stratifying people across

02:09:13.500 the lines like categorizing

02:09:14.880 them and counting them

02:09:15.740 based on their differences

02:09:17.320 and so there's any kind of

02:09:19.360 like similarity or

02:09:20.220 connection is forced it's

02:09:21.720 it's like very self

02:09:22.880 conscious nothing causes

02:09:24.260 more division than that

02:09:25.500 right you strip everybody

02:09:27.060 down to like no ego and

02:09:30.820 have everybody converge based

02:09:34.160 on their greatest weakness

02:09:36.220 and suffering and

02:09:37.100 difficulty and you don't

02:09:39.860 even have to give the

02:09:40.840 slightest thought to oh

02:09:42.460 this person is different

02:09:43.460 and yet I'm able to have

02:09:44.400 communion with them that's

02:09:45.480 so genuine it just happens

02:09:46.820 automatically like it all

02:09:48.780 those things fade away like

02:09:50.940 people can walk into an a

02:09:52.000 meeting and just feel like

02:09:53.580 they're living in a different

02:09:54.360 world and thinking about

02:09:55.540 other people and feeling

02:09:56.580 other people in a way and

02:09:57.540 then they walk out and the

02:09:58.380 whole world then reappears

02:09:59.680 that constantly teaches us

02:10:01.540 to you know keep everybody

02:10:02.980 at arm's length but you

02:10:04.700 walk into those kind of

02:10:05.580 meetings the idea of it is

02:10:06.820 like you strip down to your

02:10:08.560 the deepest core like

02:10:10.280 foundation of your humanity

02:10:11.580 and then on that level

02:10:13.980 everyone is the same and

02:10:15.740 it's the connection that

02:10:17.220 emerges from that is why it

02:10:18.940 works why people go their

02:10:20.120 whole lives to it you know

02:10:22.180 even if they haven't had a

02:10:23.040 drink or a drug for 25

02:10:24.320 years they still need it

02:10:25.640 well that's why when I have

02:10:27.960 no interest in drinking I

02:10:28.860 went because a loved one

02:10:30.480 you know someone I love

02:10:32.420 needed to go so I brought

02:10:33.900 that person and I was like

02:10:35.200 I want to go every day

02:10:36.400 I've never seen anything

02:10:38.780 like that in my life

02:10:39.740 it makes you see the

02:10:40.600 potential for what the

02:10:41.360 world could be

02:10:42.080 what's what everyone wants

02:10:43.260 is the connection right

02:10:44.280 because other people are

02:10:45.060 all that matters just to

02:10:45.940 receive other people are all

02:10:46.960 that matters and you gosh

02:10:49.120 that's so easy to lose that

02:10:50.360 thread

02:10:50.740 yeah that's like our

02:10:52.260 humanity that's like the

02:10:53.600 soul that's like the

02:10:54.940 spirit it's everything and

02:10:56.920 that is what western

02:10:58.040 society is assaulting and

02:11:00.740 and depriving people of

02:11:02.640 and so it's no wonder we

02:11:03.840 have epidemics of

02:11:04.900 addiction and suicide

02:11:06.000 and anxiety disorders and

02:11:08.140 depression

02:11:08.540 and distraction

02:11:09.320 it's so easy to see why

02:11:11.160 you should write you should

02:11:14.160 write on this

02:11:14.780 yeah I mean I've thought a

02:11:16.180 lot about it I think a lot

02:11:17.100 about it I try and like

02:11:17.960 incorporate it and at some

02:11:19.720 point maybe I will

02:11:20.500 I hope you will

02:11:21.520 you can you describe it much

02:11:23.020 better than I do I'm still

02:11:24.160 trying to sort it out I'm

02:11:24.940 in my head I've really it

02:11:25.840 was less than a year ago I

02:11:26.540 saw this I was like I've

02:11:27.480 not stopped thinking about

02:11:28.520 it yeah we talked about it

02:11:29.560 last night and so then I

02:11:30.660 thought about it last night

02:11:31.680 this morning so it's fresh

02:11:33.160 in my mind as well like in

02:11:34.260 terms of what it means and

02:11:35.620 how to think about it but

02:11:36.940 yeah it's something that is I

02:11:38.400 think it's kind of like

02:11:39.560 sitting there right in

02:11:40.380 plain sight it's a solution

02:11:42.140 to a lot of things but for a

02:11:44.940 lot of reasons you need a

02:11:46.400 lot of vulnerability and

02:11:47.640 humility to strip yourself

02:11:48.820 down that way to admit your

02:11:49.940 powerlessness we're

02:11:50.920 constantly taught to affirm

02:11:52.800 our invulnerability like I'm

02:11:54.800 strong I'm powerful I can

02:11:56.820 deal with anything but human

02:11:58.820 beings are by themselves not

02:12:01.880 all that powerful but there's

02:12:03.880 a lot of things we can do

02:12:04.700 there's a lot of things we

02:12:05.540 can't and the whole point of

02:12:08.840 these kind of addiction

02:12:09.480 groups or whatever there's a

02:12:10.560 lot of these different kind of

02:12:11.340 groups I think all communities

02:12:12.840 are like them is like together

02:12:14.620 like human beings connecting to

02:12:16.700 each other creates a much

02:12:17.840 bigger power than every human

02:12:19.560 being sitting kind of isolated

02:12:21.100 and alone yes I mean I I

02:12:23.500 believe in a religion that

02:12:24.620 extols humility that in which

02:12:27.360 humility is like the cover

02:12:29.100 charge like you don't get

02:12:30.500 anywhere without humility

02:12:31.480 that teaches that God like

02:12:34.100 submitted to being tortured to

02:12:35.400 death so like and you get on

02:12:36.760 your knees in a church like

02:12:37.860 like bow on the ground like

02:12:40.440 that's exactly right all an

02:12:41.980 expression of that same I

02:12:43.300 remember after 9-11 when I was

02:12:45.060 like you know all about

02:12:46.180 attacking Islam I knew nothing

02:12:47.340 about Islam I'm not Muslim by the

02:12:49.120 way I don't work for Qatar

02:12:50.440 contrary to what a lot of

02:12:51.240 people think despite the

02:12:52.580 paychecks from Qatar not a

02:12:54.300 secret shit but I remember

02:12:56.060 hearing someone on I worked at

02:12:58.520 CNN at the time and like we

02:12:59.700 had all these endless experts

02:13:00.960 most of whom kind of work for

02:13:02.520 the CIA but whatever I

02:13:03.580 realized that later but I

02:13:04.980 remember who it was come on

02:13:06.020 and be like you know Islam is

02:13:07.140 bad and I was like sounds bad

02:13:08.780 you know whatever I don't know

02:13:10.260 if I ever met a Muslim but he's

02:13:11.960 like you know what Islam means

02:13:13.100 submission and like let it hang

02:13:16.900 in the air like that was

02:13:17.720 self-evidently disgusting and I

02:13:19.120 was like I kind of think

02:13:20.200 submission to God is like the

02:13:21.480 whole point of life but I

02:13:22.900 didn't say anything I was

02:13:23.960 like I'm I don't think I'm

02:13:25.760 against that anyone who

02:13:28.860 submits to God like I'm just

02:13:31.920 for that well and the the

02:13:33.800 foundation I mean I think a lot

02:13:35.460 of religions seek the same

02:13:36.420 things just find different ways

02:13:37.580 to think about how to to find

02:13:40.260 them but the whole point of

02:13:43.700 AA and NA like the foundation of

02:13:45.600 it is that you submit to a

02:13:46.720 higher power yes it can be you

02:13:48.580 know understanding that there's

02:13:49.840 a lot of people who are now

02:13:50.580 atheists or secular it doesn't

02:13:51.920 necessarily have to be some like

02:13:53.140 religious conception of a God

02:13:54.440 and so many people go into these

02:13:56.520 groups and they're adamantly

02:13:58.420 contemptuous of this idea like

02:14:00.500 this is so irrational I'm not

02:14:02.300 going to pretend that there's

02:14:03.260 some magic thing and you know I

02:14:06.160 used to think that way too and

02:14:07.540 then I got the point where I was

02:14:08.260 like no you know what actually is

02:14:09.580 irrational thinking that there's

02:14:11.820 no higher power than you like I

02:14:13.700 am the highest power like that's

02:14:16.200 the absurd thing but it's all

02:14:18.520 about you know losing that sense

02:14:21.500 that you're invulnerable and

02:14:23.460 understanding that you know you

02:14:25.860 can find something higher than

02:14:27.200 yourself and it could just be the

02:14:29.080 connection of the human group

02:14:30.260 whatever you want it to be like

02:14:31.360 whatever you recognize is being

02:14:33.540 able to something being able to

02:14:34.700 do things that you can't do is

02:14:36.140 already an acknowledgement that

02:14:37.460 there's a higher power than you

02:14:38.780 but if you're if you think you're

02:14:40.480 God you're not allowed and I

02:14:42.440 mean if you think you're God

02:14:43.320 you're gonna have a lot of

02:14:44.200 difficulties in life you're gonna

02:14:46.280 be Toria Nuland so it's not good

02:14:48.700 Glenn Greenwell thank you really

02:14:50.780 always my favorite person to talk

02:14:52.560 to so I appreciate your

02:14:53.380 thank you Tucker I was enjoyed as

02:14:54.740 well thank you

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