The Tucker Carlson Show - How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It

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00:00:15.700 Okay, so here's my theory.

00:00:18.560 The death of the U.S. auto industry was a bigger deal than, I think we realized,

00:00:23.300 maybe a harbinger, hopefully not, but perhaps a harbinger of, like,

00:00:27.660 what happens to the country going forward.

00:00:29.200 So Detroit dies, and people are like, oh, Detroit's such a mess.

00:00:33.200 My wife is from there, so I've been there a lot.

00:00:35.620 But you never thought, like, that would happen to the rest of the country.

00:00:39.040 Oh, no, we're going similar ways.

00:00:40.740 We are. That's exactly right.

00:00:41.820 Yeah. I live in the greater Toledo area, and it's baby Detroit. 0.60

00:00:44.320 Toledo. Exactly. Home of Champion Sparkplugs.

00:00:46.540 Yeah.

00:00:46.840 Yeah, no longer.

00:00:59.200 So I guess the question is, if we want to prevent this from spreading with the cancer that it clearly is,

00:01:15.300 I think it's important to know the cause of it.

00:01:16.840 So why did the auto industry, which was the most important non-defense industry we had,

00:01:23.840 why did it die?

00:01:25.520 I would say largely regulation and the nature of trying to find more profit and where you ship things.

00:01:31.280 It was a lack of pride in having a workforce in the future tomorrow.

00:01:35.360 And those are the two things I would stick with.

00:01:37.840 Because since, you know, in my opinion, I've been a car guy for a long time.

00:01:41.380 Wait, you didn't mention the unions.

00:01:43.080 Everyone blames the unions for the destruction of Detroit.

00:01:47.360 I think that's a secondary symptom.

00:01:49.760 I mean, that's a big thing.

00:01:51.400 But I think culturally, it has to do more with where we're going and what happened.

00:01:56.360 I mean, the automotive industry right now, if you look at new cars, I don't own a new car.

00:02:00.480 The newest vehicle I own is early 2000s.

00:02:02.980 Really?

00:02:03.320 The newest.

00:02:03.740 Yeah. And honestly, I've been thinking like that's too new.

00:02:05.400 And you're a professional car guy and you have no use.

00:02:07.060 Yeah, no.

00:02:07.400 You know, I work on all my own stuff from exotics to building race cars, helping students building airplanes to vintage stuff.

00:02:13.360 Like, I know automotive history.

00:02:15.080 And honestly, kind of the sweet spot for cars to daily drive are the 1980s and 1990s.

00:02:20.020 What?

00:02:20.640 We've just gotten worse since then.

00:02:23.480 In what ways?

00:02:25.320 Consumer culture.

00:02:26.440 You know, they try to find new ways to make money and give something to buy a new model year.

00:02:31.520 But cars haven't really gotten any better since the 1990s.

00:02:35.200 They're coming in more like a cell phone.

00:02:37.400 And then you get more and more and more regulation, which just stymies the automotive industry into building just the one thing.

00:02:43.680 That's why all the cars look the same.

00:02:45.500 That's why there's no real innovation.

00:02:47.000 That's why anything interesting ends up being wildly expensive.

00:02:50.820 And then the two things that are always used as, shall we say, the scapegoat is either the environment, the EPA, or safety.

00:02:58.620 But it's not always about that.

00:03:00.780 And if you're really worried about safety.

00:03:01.940 Wait, wait. Those are scapegoats?

00:03:03.480 Well, that's scapegoats, but reasons to force things in to be a certain way.

00:03:06.960 Because if you speak up and question anything, they'll always say, environment, safety.

00:03:11.460 It seems like that's always the way.

00:03:13.760 But we're always just quagmired in this regulation and direction.

00:03:18.020 Well, you're blowing my mind.

00:03:18.960 So, I mean, getting older is a process of realizing how many of the lies you've internalized and believed.

00:03:25.440 And I guess if you had asked me when I woke up this morning what destroyed Detroit, I would say, I mean, I'm not actually even that against unions, to be honest with you.

00:03:33.300 But I would say, well, everyone says the unions and EPA and safety.

00:03:37.680 Ralph Nader and the EPA and the UAW.

00:03:41.060 True.

00:03:41.540 But no.

00:03:42.640 True.

00:03:43.020 It's deeper, you're saying.

00:03:44.340 Well, it is.

00:03:45.120 And, okay, you know, I'm an individual.

00:03:46.840 I build stuff.

00:03:47.520 I think about the nation, individuals, community, my family, my friends.

00:03:51.620 Like, we want a car that gets us there, that we can fix, that we can afford, right?

00:03:56.280 But it's not what we're making.

00:03:57.840 Another thing which I want to mention, two points.

00:03:59.880 The other thing that's happening nowadays is we don't really innovate or make anything new anymore that people can afford, really.

00:04:08.060 And I'm finding another, it seems like a symptom, a cross-culture of just everything now is about money from one pocket to another.

00:04:15.720 It's not about really creating something new or building tomorrow.

00:04:19.120 And I started to see that in the automotive industry with the nature of hybrids to electric.

00:04:25.420 They have a purpose, but they're not a solution for everything.

00:04:29.880 But the political push and powers are trying to make it a solution for everything.

00:04:34.700 And I look at this and go, no, no, no, no.

00:04:35.980 This isn't about what's best for everybody or even the environment or anything.

00:04:40.840 This is money from one pocket to another and a power play.

00:04:43.540 What does that mean, money from one pocket to another?

00:04:46.060 So, it's kind of a deeper discussion that led to when I built what I called the Omega car,

00:04:55.540 which I built that high-efficiency diesel car that I thought would be more recyclable, low environment impact, affordable, and a good car and a direction to go.

00:05:04.660 And if I may, can I just back up a second kind of what I saw?

00:05:08.660 So, you know, in my teens and 20s, I'm just a normal car guy.

00:05:12.480 I liked fast cars and going on dates with pretty girls.

00:05:15.360 That's pretty much all I cared about.

00:05:16.460 So, fast cars and fast women is what you're saying. 1.00

00:05:18.120 Well, they say in Kentucky, what is it?

00:05:19.540 They say beautiful horses and fast women. 1.00

00:05:21.740 No, I meant beautiful women and fast horses. 0.98

00:05:23.460 Something like that.

00:05:24.760 But, no, that was kind of all I cared about.

00:05:26.980 But my grandfather always talked about politics and things going on in the world.

00:05:29.580 And while I didn't really care so much to look into it, things stuck with me.

00:05:32.580 Yes.

00:05:32.880 And I remember in, was it 2008 when Obama was running, people are all excited.

00:05:41.720 I'm like, okay.

00:05:42.760 And I remember watching all the presidential stuff.

00:05:45.920 That was kind of the first time I really started paying attention to politics when I was a younger guy.

00:05:50.840 And we're watching the Democratic National Convention and Obama's talking. 0.99

00:05:55.020 And I remember thinking, this guy's full of crap. 1.00

00:05:57.500 That's just my gut feeling. 1.00

00:05:58.800 I didn't know where it came from.

00:06:00.280 I didn't really know that much of politics. 1.00

00:06:01.840 But I'm just like, this guy is full of crap. 1.00

00:06:03.320 You didn't think he was black Jesus? 1.00

00:06:04.980 No.

00:06:05.580 No.

00:06:05.960 I mean, you sound like a racist. 0.60

00:06:07.940 I don't care. 0.87

00:06:10.940 I don't care.

00:06:12.060 That's his spirit. 1.00

00:06:12.720 So, I just thought he was full of crap. 0.99

00:06:15.020 And so, I'm listening, get to the point, and he goes, and I'll help Detroit retool. 0.99

00:06:18.740 So, the energy-efficient cars of tomorrow will build here for the sake of the nation and world. 0.99

00:06:22.940 I'm like, bullshit. 0.99

00:06:25.240 You're not going to. 0.99

00:06:25.980 This isn't, you're not doing a Kennedy speech like we're going to the moon before the decade is out.

00:06:29.460 You're not going to do it.

00:06:30.300 I just, it just, it ticked me off.

00:06:32.960 And I've remembered it to this day.

00:06:34.820 And, of course, we have the...

00:06:36.380 Why did you know he was not going to do it?

00:06:39.080 Because Detroit's not going to change.

00:06:40.560 He's not going to change that.

00:06:41.620 Like, a politician changes their own oil, let alone know how a car works or the industry or what to do with it.

00:06:47.240 Fair.

00:06:47.960 Respectfully.

00:06:48.420 Fair, fair.

00:06:49.240 No, with no respect, I would say.

00:06:50.720 No, you know, and I can think of some, you know, military leaders and such saying things that I'll be a little kinder about.

00:06:58.080 We don't want to take advice from, you know, pantsuits in Washington.

00:07:02.260 It's like, what do they know about it?

00:07:03.600 Respectfully.

00:07:04.200 But things like that go across the board.

00:07:05.800 So, I'm thinking, he's not doing anything.

00:07:08.020 Well, the other thing that interesting happened was the financial crisis, 2008, 2009, right?

00:07:13.160 Now, I didn't fully understand what was going on.

00:07:15.500 Again, I cared more about going on dates and fast cars than politics and things going on at the time.

00:07:20.100 But the family business we had was a small-town public golf course in the Midwest.

00:07:24.180 You know, 18 holes, worked our butt off.

00:07:26.000 My father worked seven days a week, 6 o'clock in the morning, 10 o'clock at night every day throughout the entire of the season.

00:07:30.980 So, we worked.

00:07:32.200 I know, like, being in a small town, everybody makes fun of you.

00:07:34.120 Oh, you're rich.

00:07:34.660 You just sit on a golf course all day.

00:07:35.720 I'm like, no, we're changing oil in, like, diesel tractors and back-lapping mowers and mowing and putting on banquets and doing family business, right?

00:07:42.520 What does it mean to back-lap a mower?

00:07:43.780 Oh, sorry.

00:07:44.180 Right. That was—so, if you mow a fairway or a green, it's not a rotary blade that cuts by kind of, like, whacking the—

00:07:52.380 Right.

00:07:52.600 It's actually—it's a reel, which comes through and slices on a blade.

00:07:56.300 Yes.

00:07:56.700 Well, they get dull.

00:07:58.740 And so, you have to sharpen them.

00:08:00.300 And it's dirty, and you beat up your knuckles, and that's kind of the work you actually do in the winter with the golf course.

00:08:05.220 By hand, like, with a file, or?

00:08:06.680 Oh, no.

00:08:07.580 You have to run them backwards with a dirty compound with, like, grit on it.

00:08:13.180 And you have to adjust it.

00:08:14.360 Oh, you laugh at it, like you laugh at your mouth.

00:08:15.160 Yeah, you laugh at it.

00:08:16.060 Exactly.

00:08:16.500 Exactly.

00:08:17.040 Thank you.

00:08:17.560 Sorry to interrupt.

00:08:18.260 No, it's all right.

00:08:19.000 I just kind of bring that up because that was my world at the time.

00:08:21.500 Yes.

00:08:21.600 We worked hard, and we saw that.

00:08:23.180 But at that time, I started to see how it was affecting people in Little Tiffin, Ohio, on a daily basis.

00:08:31.620 Loans, housing loans, business loans.

00:08:34.140 And I also saw how that affected, eventually, when the family was thinking of selling the business, you couldn't get lending for something like that.

00:08:41.660 And I started to see how that hurt everything.

00:08:44.700 But where I was going with it in relation to the overarching things with the automotive industry.

00:08:48.980 So now we're bailing out the automotive industry?

00:08:52.720 Tax dollars?

00:08:53.900 Huge amounts of money?

00:08:55.200 Okay.

00:08:56.260 Huh.

00:08:57.220 Paying attention.

00:08:57.780 And I'd lived in Columbus, Ohio at the time.

00:09:00.360 Head of my little shop working on vintage race cars and things like that, and riding my motorcycle around.

00:09:06.580 And after we were bailing out the automotive industries, I kind of remember back, and I'm like, so I wonder, is Obama going to try to make everything efficient now?

00:09:13.600 Are they going to do anything?

00:09:14.660 And I see us, we just kind of doubled down on making bigger trucks and muscle cars and things, which, I have to tell you, I love big trucks and muscle cars and fast cars, okay?

00:09:24.680 Like, if you can afford the fuel and do what you want, don't get in my way.

00:09:28.100 You can pry my sports cars out of my cold, dead hands.

00:09:30.020 I agree.

00:09:30.320 Okay?

00:09:30.680 Don't.

00:09:30.960 Yeah.

00:09:31.340 But, you know, it doesn't mean I don't necessarily want something that could be better for as a daily driver, or I can't think of something that might be more efficient.

00:09:37.260 So, I was noticing that, and I'm thinking, this is wrong.

00:09:42.300 Something's wrong here.

00:09:43.660 And just in what I was doing and, you know, researching various materials and thinking of building cars, and it's kind of what I do, you know, I started to realize there's a myriad of ways that we can mass produce cars, automobiles, that will be less toxic, less environmental impact, cheaper, more efficient than what we're doing.

00:10:03.600 Because, in a sense, all of our cars are stamped metal boxes with chairs bolted in them.

00:10:08.620 We've been doing that since the mid-1930s.

00:10:11.120 We have.

00:10:12.620 Not much has changed.

00:10:14.460 And it's been a long time.

00:10:17.380 And I'll say this also, which I think you might enjoy as a history guy.

00:10:21.440 So, SR-71 Blackbird, right?

00:10:23.520 CIA spy plane, Mach 3.

00:10:26.160 They came up with that in the late 1950s.

00:10:28.580 We had to go to the trouble of getting all the titanium, I think, from Russia at the time, which required a zillion shell companies and orchestration just to get the material to build it.

00:10:37.940 And we built an aircraft, effectively, in the late 1950s, 1960, that'll do Mach 3 and can map hundreds of thousands of miles of the Earth's surface.

00:10:47.000 And, before GPS existed, be able to plot the stars through broad daylight and through clouds in the late 50s.

00:10:55.060 And we're still making cars like the 1930s now.

00:10:59.360 I think that's BS.

00:11:00.900 Yeah.

00:11:01.480 So, as—

00:11:02.780 But, to be fair, you've also seen the death of innovation in aviation as well.

00:11:06.860 That's true, too.

00:11:07.840 I mean, the 747 came out in 1969.

00:11:10.960 True.

00:11:11.320 Tell me we've made it—and I was born that year, 55, almost six years ago.

00:11:15.480 When was the last time we built a plane that cool?

00:11:17.560 1969.

00:11:18.240 We haven't.

00:11:18.680 And, to be fair, there's a lot of things that we still—like the B-52 bomber.

00:11:22.620 It's still around.

00:11:23.400 Buff is eternal, they joke, you know?

00:11:25.540 And so, there's a lot of great designs from back when that are still perfect designs now and can be upgraded.

00:11:31.160 It doesn't mean that we have to have innovation for innovation's sake.

00:11:34.340 Right.

00:11:34.420 Some things just work.

00:11:35.520 Mm-hmm.

00:11:35.940 But sometimes you need new things.

00:11:37.180 Um, but as a younger guy at the time, I was—I was frustrated by all this.

00:11:42.920 And I'm like, you know what?

00:11:44.380 I'm going to build a car.

00:11:45.660 I got a point to prove.

00:11:47.440 And my thinking at the time was, it can't be electric, because nobody knows what the heck a kilowatt hour is back then.

00:11:54.220 We're not accustomed to thinking like that.

00:11:55.920 We think miles per gallon.

00:11:57.180 How fast is it?

00:11:58.380 Zero to 60.

00:11:59.320 You know, things like that.

00:12:00.060 That's kind of the two things that matter most to people.

00:12:01.980 And can you use this?

00:12:02.800 And how much does it cost?

00:12:03.680 I was like, okay, I want to build a car that'll be representative of something that can be mass-produced that, let's say, would cost about $20,000 or less.

00:12:13.100 I made it diesel, turbo diesel.

00:12:14.900 So, I looked around for what I felt was about the most efficient engine, reasonably available, and built the car.

00:12:20.460 Now, I said something like 11 years ago on video, so I can prove it.

00:12:24.240 I said, it will get over 100 miles a gallon, and it will do zero to 60 in under five seconds.

00:12:29.200 Now, I built the car.

00:12:30.740 I even showed it at a private, like, car event with sports cars and exotic cars and told everybody about my concept.

00:12:37.220 But when I got it all together and done, I realized, I don't have a voice.

00:12:41.380 Like, what am I going to do with this thing?

00:12:43.960 If the world doesn't know it exists and nobody hears about it, it doesn't exist.

00:12:47.700 You felt like Nikolai Tesla at this point, I'm sure.

00:12:50.020 Perhaps.

00:12:51.060 I don't, maybe.

00:12:52.140 I, you know, he's an interesting character.

00:12:54.140 Yeah, for sure.

00:12:54.940 Certainly.

00:12:55.340 And I sat on it.

00:12:56.520 I just put it in my garage for a better part of a decade because I didn't have a voice.

00:13:02.080 But other things going on in life, I was doing my nonprofit Genius Garage, which I really believed in, because we can go into some big problems with the American educational system, especially higher education.

00:13:11.680 I think we're stymieing our youth, the families in the future.

00:13:14.240 And I think it comes from predatory lending and loans you can't default on.

00:13:17.300 And I think the schools are creating this vacuum monster that is not the real world with majors that are not providing jobs and creating an environment for political radicalization.

00:13:28.780 But that's another topic.

00:13:30.940 But the reason I say that is—

00:13:32.500 Everything you just said is obvious, and it's crazy that it still exists.

00:13:36.480 But let me just back up to the vehicle itself.

00:13:38.320 Yes, yes.

00:13:39.160 Without getting boring on the subject.

00:13:40.080 No, it's coming back to that, yeah.

00:13:40.980 But what—explain how you get 100 miles to the gallon on diesel, and it goes 0 to 60 in under 5 seconds.

00:13:47.920 Like, how—what is that?

00:13:49.340 How big is the motor?

00:13:50.380 Like, tell us about the car.

00:13:51.200 Let me ask you a question.

00:13:52.400 Yeah.

00:13:52.860 So, I don't know what you drove here, but let's—pick your average car or SUV.

00:13:56.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:57.380 Put it in neutral.

00:13:58.580 How hard is it to push it?

00:14:01.400 Pretty hard.

00:14:02.480 Pretty hard, right?

00:14:03.160 Yeah.

00:14:03.500 Like, I know it sounds silly, but when you work on cars, if you spend your day pushing around cars, you start thinking about how efficient they are.

00:14:10.660 Look at a car and a SUV going down the road, or a semi.

00:14:13.740 How aerodynamic do you think that is?

00:14:16.500 Not super aerodynamic.

00:14:18.160 No.

00:14:18.580 I drive a Silverado, not aerodynamic.

00:14:20.940 There's nothing about our cars that are remotely efficient at all.

00:14:24.460 So, how do you get that?

00:14:26.760 You just make the actual car, not so much the drivetrain.

00:14:29.940 You're not looking for a magic bullet.

00:14:31.260 Everybody wants a magic bullet.

00:14:32.720 You make the car more efficient.

00:14:35.580 Like the—

00:14:36.580 Lower coefficient of drag, somewhat lighter weight,

00:14:39.820 where you don't need weight.

00:14:41.660 Just less rolling resistance.

00:14:43.520 You make it actual, efficient, good design.

00:14:46.000 We don't do that with the automotive industry anymore.

00:14:48.220 And the reason I chose diesel is because people would understand that.

00:14:51.280 Diesel is also a very flexible fuel.

00:14:54.000 We can make biodiesel.

00:14:55.080 You can make diesel effectively out of what's left over from the meatpacking industry,

00:14:59.820 the winemaking industry, agriculture, you name it.

00:15:02.280 And this is fascinating, too, because—and I got to get into why I talked about the car—but

00:15:08.120 since that time, I got word back from people kind of more in traditional automotive media

00:15:13.000 and whatnot.

00:15:13.520 No one would talk about it or write about it.

00:15:15.520 And it kind of pissed me off.

00:15:17.300 Because back when I was in a concept and I just talked about it a little bit on my YouTube

00:15:20.380 channel, some places would report about it.

00:15:22.340 But why is it when it was just a concept and a YouTuber was trying to do something efficient

00:15:27.020 and, like, maybe eco-friendly and whatnot, they'd write about it.

00:15:30.340 But then when it actually did what I said it was going to do, they wouldn't.

00:15:33.700 So—

00:15:34.000 It actually gets 100 miles to the gallon?

00:15:35.940 Yeah.

00:15:36.140 First time out, I didn't even have all the fairings on it.

00:15:38.160 I haven't even tuned it.

00:15:39.040 It was 104.72 miles to the gallon just driving to the countryside normally with stop signs and

00:15:44.100 turns and such.

00:15:45.580 Just jumping in it without even tuning it more.

00:15:47.240 The first time I took it out, we were just idling and doing hard pulls and everything else.

00:15:50.600 I looked at it, I'm like, we just got, like, 88 miles to the gallon and we're not even

00:15:53.700 trying.

00:15:55.000 That's crazy.

00:15:56.540 Well, and the other thing—

00:15:57.860 Considering gas is pretty—it's like three bucks or something.

00:16:00.120 Yeah.

00:16:00.380 Right here, yeah.

00:16:01.340 Yeah, I mean, it's expensive.

00:16:02.260 It's more expensive in Europe.

00:16:03.840 And, like, okay, I have some gas guzzlers for sure.

00:16:07.140 I like V12s and stick shifts and straight pipes.

00:16:08.780 So tell me about the engine in this vehicle.

00:16:11.780 It's largely conventional.

00:16:13.300 It's turbo, which is good for diesel because it allows you some flexibility to, you know, cruise

00:16:18.600 more.

00:16:18.920 But if you want to make power, you can crank in the boosts and do some things to make

00:16:22.240 it efficient.

00:16:23.160 You know, and I experimented even with some catalytic converters and such that will even

00:16:27.640 be better.

00:16:28.400 So there's nothing crazy about the drivetrain.

00:16:31.480 There's no magic bullet there.

00:16:32.760 What about—

00:16:33.260 The other thing, I got to point this out.

00:16:34.580 Yeah.

00:16:34.700 That drivetrain, when I started, had 130,000 miles on it.

00:16:39.040 It's no spring chicken.

00:16:40.140 What was it from?

00:16:41.100 What'd you pull it out of?

00:16:42.000 Volkswagen.

00:16:42.580 Pre-diesel gate.

00:16:43.640 Diesel gate's an interesting thing to talk about too.

00:16:45.680 But, um—

00:16:47.800 What's diesel gate?

00:16:49.260 That was the big scandal that Volkswagen went through with allegedly cheating their

00:16:54.420 emissions and tests.

00:16:55.000 Oh, I remember this.

00:16:55.920 Yes.

00:16:56.120 That was back in, uh, what the heck was that?

00:16:58.500 2015, I think.

00:16:59.840 Right.

00:17:00.340 That was a big scandal.

00:17:01.420 Which is interesting, because in looking back on it now, it seems to tie into more with

00:17:08.180 not regulating a car company so much for the betterment of all, but an attack.

00:17:16.240 It's the way it kind of looks like to me.

00:17:19.020 An attack on Volkswagen.

00:17:21.060 I would say diesel.

00:17:22.480 Because Volkswagen was in—I don't know about now, but it certainly was the best and most

00:17:26.580 efficient.

00:17:27.160 The engine I used was from back in, like, 2000 when they made it.

00:17:30.580 Volkswagen.

00:17:31.100 Yeah.

00:17:31.540 Good engine.

00:17:32.680 And it's manual.

00:17:33.820 More efficient that way.

00:17:35.800 Um—

00:17:35.960 The transmission's manual?

00:17:37.080 Yeah, manual.

00:17:37.760 Less parasitic losses.

00:17:39.060 It's just—

00:17:39.580 Really?

00:17:40.200 It's cheaper to produce.

00:17:41.120 Gets better miles to the gallon.

00:17:42.380 And, um, you know, back in the day, um, sports cars, if they were manual, would have

00:17:47.520 better zero to 60 times and such.

00:17:49.080 No longer true.

00:17:49.900 Yeah, no longer true.

00:17:51.000 Our automatics have gotten a lot more interesting and whatnot.

00:17:53.820 But, um—

00:17:54.240 But manual transmission still makes for more efficient driving.

00:17:57.680 Yeah, because there's less parasitic drag.

00:18:00.060 There's less losses in the drivetrain.

00:18:02.140 Huh.

00:18:03.220 Interesting.

00:18:03.840 Like, meaningfully more efficient?

00:18:05.840 Well, especially in that time, in the 2000s, probably, um, could be five to seven miles

00:18:12.700 to a gallon on the highway.

00:18:14.020 Oh, wow.

00:18:14.760 Maybe even—maybe only, like, three, but it's still a lot.

00:18:17.240 I mean, you consider millions of cars over years, that's—

00:18:19.560 For sure.

00:18:20.100 Or even your car over years.

00:18:21.620 And it doesn't all have to just be about, like, oh, we have to do this for the sake

00:18:25.420 of environment.

00:18:26.040 These are costs that hit people's pockets.

00:18:27.820 Oh, I—

00:18:28.500 That's the whole point.

00:18:29.040 I wasn't thinking about emissions, even.

00:18:30.800 Yeah.

00:18:31.300 So, um, well, that's amazing.

00:18:33.660 So, and what about—what about emissions on this vehicle?

00:18:36.220 I'm trying to get to, like—

00:18:37.040 In regard to mine or the whole scandal thing going on.

00:18:39.700 It's the basic stuff that diesel would have.

00:18:41.600 I mean, you've got a pretty serious catalytic converter, you've got the, uh, exhaust gas

00:18:46.180 regulation and such, and the—without getting an overly nitty-gritty, diesel does have

00:18:52.280 some things about it that the EPA likes to go after.

00:18:58.520 But it's kind of strange, and I'm curious to see what happens in the future.

00:19:02.900 So, you probably—I'm sure you saw this.

00:19:05.340 Um, the Supreme Court ruled, uh, differently on the Chevron deference.

00:19:09.440 Of course.

00:19:09.820 Which I'm really fascinated to see how that changes the nature of the way laws are interpreted.

00:19:16.220 So, the bottom—the question, um, before the court was, can federal agencies create legislation

00:19:23.720 when the Constitution says, no, Congress creates the laws?

00:19:27.220 Right.

00:19:27.700 On how it's interpreted.

00:19:28.820 Right.

00:19:29.060 But for generations, the federal agencies, including EPA, but—but all of them, from the

00:19:34.580 Department of Education to the Department of Defense, have come out with regulations that

00:19:39.340 have the force of law that no one ever voted for and that no elected official had a hand

00:19:44.800 in.

00:19:45.040 So, it's anti-democratic, right?

00:19:46.440 That's the idea.

00:19:47.000 That's probably the reason why so many friends complain about the ATF.

00:19:49.940 I think they're pretty good at making laws that nobody thinks they—

00:19:51.660 Well, the ATF has all kinds of other problems, like shooting innocent people.

00:19:55.100 But, yes, no, absolutely.

00:19:56.880 Yeah.

00:19:57.260 Um, but they—they create regulations that no one voted on and that no elected official

00:20:02.920 administers.

00:20:03.520 So, it's like, as a citizen, I have no recourse.

00:20:06.720 So, that's not democracy.

00:20:07.620 That's tyranny.

00:20:08.380 Yeah.

00:20:08.880 Exactly.

00:20:09.120 So, that's the conceptual explanation.

00:20:10.480 No, exactly right.

00:20:11.460 Explanation.

00:20:11.700 Exactly right.

00:20:12.360 And, you know, it's not looking for a, you know, a way around something or a loophole,

00:20:15.700 but, like, what is right?

00:20:16.620 Like, what are we actually doing here?

00:20:18.140 Where are we going?

00:20:18.560 Also, if you want a law, vote on it.

00:20:19.580 Yeah.

00:20:19.800 You know?

00:20:20.240 And the beauty of the Congress is they have two or six years between elections.

00:20:26.100 So, they're pretty accountable to voters.

00:20:27.980 And if voters don't like the way they vote, they can turn them out, at least conceivably,

00:20:30.860 right?

00:20:31.420 One hopes.

00:20:32.260 One hopes.

00:20:32.700 But the undersecretary of douchebaggery is completely beyond the control of any voter.

00:20:41.020 So, like, that's, again, tyranny, right?

00:20:44.080 Yes.

00:20:44.940 Yeah.

00:20:45.440 And that affects things greatly.

00:20:47.140 Because when you overregulate things, it just makes it difficult to innovate or go anywhere.

00:20:53.480 Right.

00:20:54.000 You know?

00:20:54.420 And the thing of it is, so, going back to the car, the car I built.

00:20:58.660 So, I mentioned to you, got 104.72 miles to gown.

00:21:01.280 And I video recorded the whole thing.

00:21:02.900 Because I want to know, what does this thing actually do?

00:21:05.140 Because last year was a very important year.

00:21:06.700 It was an election year.

00:21:08.960 One thing that also drove me nuts.

00:21:10.940 So, if you look at, so, the Biden administration and even Gavin Newsom's pushing it, electric

00:21:15.060 vehicle mandates.

00:21:16.520 Like, large electric vehicle mandates.

00:21:18.060 Not like back to the Clinton era when it was like, I don't know, one to two percent of

00:21:21.660 vehicles sold by certain times need to be electric.

00:21:23.920 No, they're big ones.

00:21:25.240 And I had a huge problem with, you know, Biden's administration doing that.

00:21:29.480 Because I'm like, this destroys innovation.

00:21:32.020 You know?

00:21:32.300 And the other thing you go into, and I don't want to beat up on electric because it, you

00:21:35.020 know, it has its purpose in places.

00:21:36.660 I think all kinds of drivetrains and energy do.

00:21:39.260 And I don't mean that as just like political BS rhetoric.

00:21:42.120 I mean that genuinely.

00:21:43.320 But it's not a Band-Aid fix.

00:21:45.820 Well, so, how are we going to charge them?

00:21:48.480 Our grid?

00:21:49.100 Yeah.

00:21:49.300 How?

00:21:49.800 I'll tell you this.

00:21:50.500 So, I did some math with all this.

00:21:53.420 Let me tell you this.

00:21:54.120 So, the next day, I'm coming right back to this point on the math.

00:21:58.140 The next day after I did the initial mile per gallon testing on my car, I did zero to

00:22:01.540 60 times with it.

00:22:02.440 So, I put accelerometers and GPS in this car.

00:22:04.880 Also, my 93 Dodge Viper RT10, C7 Corvette Grand Sport, and my neighbor's Tesla Model 3 rear

00:22:11.920 wheel drive with the full charge.

00:22:14.340 My car, the 104 miles a gallon, beat the Dodge Viper by two tenths of a second and exactly

00:22:18.740 matched the Corvette Grand Sport and the Tesla. 0.99

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00:25:28.720 So, what was zero to 60 in that?

00:25:30.680 4.61.

00:25:32.420 And I probably could have done better, but honestly, the tires are over a decade old now

00:25:35.440 because I built the car a while ago and such.

00:25:37.060 But that was real-world driving.

00:25:39.080 And yeah, I gave it.

00:25:39.980 And I got videos of it, if you want to look me up.

00:25:41.860 How did you beat the Tesla?

00:25:43.320 It matched the Tesla.

00:25:44.580 But that was only with the Tesla to full charge.

00:25:46.380 It would consistently get a little slower every time as it would lose juice.

00:25:50.340 My car.

00:25:50.500 Just because the nature, obviously, of an electric vehicle just gives you massive advantage.

00:25:54.780 Yeah.

00:25:55.380 And the Tesla is simple.

00:25:56.160 You just stick your foot down and computers.

00:25:58.220 That's the best it's going to do.

00:25:59.360 My car would actually probably beat it if I gave it some clever traction control and such in it, to be honest.

00:26:05.100 But that's not the point.

00:26:06.700 The point of it is, so I'm like, I'm going to run some numbers.

00:26:10.140 Just out of curiosity.

00:26:11.860 What is the carbon footprint of burning one gallon of diesel?

00:26:15.820 Oh, interesting.

00:26:16.600 Okay, EPA has got numbers for that.

00:26:17.740 Okay, what's the carbon footprint on average, the United States electrical generation, whether it's nuclear, wind, coal, whatever.

00:26:24.280 National average of the carbon footprint of a kilowatt hour of electricity.

00:26:29.020 Say like you're in a perfect world charging your electric vehicle at home.

00:26:32.600 And then I just did the basic math on, okay, what's the carbon footprint of my car on diesel getting over 100 miles a gallon versus the electric car charged at home, national average over 100 miles.

00:26:42.840 My car beat the electric car at a lower carbon footprint.

00:26:46.820 Well, yeah.

00:26:47.840 And it has a much lower one to manufacture, and it's easier to fix.

00:26:52.400 So that's when I went, okay.

00:26:54.840 I also did some other fun math.

00:26:57.680 Respectfully towards coal, I think.

00:26:59.000 But hold on, just to be fair.

00:27:00.400 Can it be turned off by remote by a politician who doesn't like your politics?

00:27:04.100 Thank you.

00:27:04.740 No, it can't.

00:27:05.480 Oh, it can't?

00:27:06.260 No, it can't.

00:27:06.620 Then I don't feel comfortable with it.

00:27:07.680 Oh, you don't?

00:27:08.280 Well, how are we going to control you?

00:27:08.800 I don't care.

00:27:09.800 You're not.

00:27:10.740 It's going to stay that way.

00:27:11.780 I like your spirit.

00:27:13.020 Yeah.

00:27:13.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:14.440 No, thank you for bringing that up.

00:27:15.680 That's very important.

00:27:16.540 Because the other thing about-

00:27:18.420 That's why I drive a 1987.

00:27:19.820 Well done, sir.

00:27:20.540 Yeah.

00:27:21.080 For real.

00:27:22.060 No, I get it.

00:27:23.060 With a gun in it.

00:27:23.740 Yeah, good.

00:27:24.480 Good.

00:27:25.780 Sorry, I shouldn't say that.

00:27:26.860 I get too excited on this.

00:27:27.940 But it's true.

00:27:28.460 You remember the days at school, like you could have a gun rack because people were reasonable human beings in a community.

00:27:34.180 I grew up in Illinois, California.

00:27:34.900 We didn't have a lot of deer hunting then.

00:27:36.000 Right.

00:27:36.560 We had surfboards.

00:27:37.120 But she could still-

00:27:37.780 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:38.560 But now you can still do it.

00:27:39.840 I kind of get my independent spirit.

00:27:42.560 I'm like, I'm going to put a gun rack in my Viper.

00:27:44.140 Not because I need it, just because.

00:27:45.720 Yeah.

00:27:45.900 America.

00:27:46.400 You know?

00:27:46.900 I totally agree.

00:27:48.060 But, and that's the other thing about the electric car.

00:27:51.300 So when I look at it, all the governmental control and what it appears to me globally is going on with much of that and the push.

00:27:58.620 And then the other thing that doesn't make any sense.

00:28:00.100 So the Biden administration doing the big electric vehicle mandates and such and push, but excluding Tesla from their meetings at the White House and Summit and all that?

00:28:09.500 Really?

00:28:10.320 So what you're telling me is the thing that you want to do with industry and cars and transportation is super important, but not as important as the politics with the guy with the biggest electric car company in the world?

00:28:21.440 I don't like that either.

00:28:22.380 Well, it's just criminals.

00:28:23.260 I mean, we know that now.

00:28:24.340 That was a criminal organization running our country.

00:28:27.600 I know. 0.95

00:28:28.040 I think a lot of my grandmother, who was married to my World War II vet granddad, of course, she always said, give him a fair trial and hang him in the morning.

00:28:34.680 And that phrase has been ringing in my mind a lot lately.

00:28:37.280 She sounds like my kind of woman.

00:28:39.120 So, but let me just back a little bit.

00:28:41.060 So you create this vehicle in your shop, right?

00:28:44.660 Yeah.

00:28:44.800 At home?

00:28:45.220 Yeah.

00:28:45.400 And you think that you could build it for 20 grand?

00:28:50.540 Is that true?

00:28:51.200 Okay, 20 grand.

00:28:52.360 So it gets 104-

00:28:53.740 It mass-produced, of course.

00:28:55.140 At scale.

00:28:56.100 Not as a prototype.

00:28:57.360 Obviously.

00:28:58.440 So, but it gets 104 miles per gallon.

00:29:03.280 It matches the Tesla off the line.

00:29:05.840 You get to 60 in under five seconds.

00:29:08.720 So that's like kind of the dream package right there.

00:29:10.980 And it runs on a readily available fuel that you can buy at any.

00:29:13.800 Yeah, and I only put a, and we have the infrastructure for it.

00:29:17.840 Well, yeah, you can fill it up at a gas station.

00:29:19.960 I only put a five-gallon tank in it.

00:29:22.020 Because at 100 miles a gallon, like, I'm going to need to get out and, you know, have the call of nature or stop at a gas station before.

00:29:27.140 But if I put a bigger gas tank on it, I can drive from New York to LA.

00:29:31.420 On one tank?

00:29:32.400 Yeah, of course.

00:29:35.680 Okay.

00:29:36.880 Now, I have to point this out because there's lots of smart people watching.

00:29:39.720 They'll get it.

00:29:40.820 Okay.

00:29:41.140 Things like crash testing, airbags, climate control, all that jazz.

00:29:46.140 Okay, great.

00:29:47.180 It'll add a few hundred pounds more to it.

00:29:49.300 Maybe it'll make the car a little bit better.

00:29:50.560 But the other thing that happens when you actually develop and build something like that, you tune it better.

00:29:55.140 I still can get those numbers and meet all of those same requirements.

00:29:58.580 Okay, so can I just ask, like, at that point, it's like if you invent something that is truly useful and that, you know, at 20 grand-ish, a new Suburban is, like, pushing 100 grand right now.

00:30:12.280 Like, the cars are out of control.

00:30:13.280 Yeah, who can afford that?

00:30:14.160 I couldn't agree more.

00:30:15.040 If you're going to spend that much money on a car, go buy a vintage Ferrari or something, you know?

00:30:18.120 I don't know that I've ever bought a new car in my life, and I don't plan to, but people want to, whatever, leaving that whole aside.

00:30:23.380 But what you just described is something that, like, almost by definition would be successful.

00:30:28.680 So why can't you find someone to build it at scale?

00:30:32.960 Well, it's 2025, and we live in a wonderful country, but one that has evolved into a lot of industrial complexes, and they don't like change.

00:30:48.000 Yeah, but, I mean, you know, no one wants AI.

00:30:52.720 We're getting it anyway.

00:30:54.080 Well, yeah, but—

00:30:54.940 Right?

00:30:55.140 We're getting massive change.

00:30:56.460 It's power.

00:30:57.320 That's power and control and money, and they can do it, and they will.

00:31:00.420 Which, I have to say one thing, which I think you may appreciate.

00:31:05.080 AI, effectively, is a synthetic god that we're creating.

00:31:08.240 Oh, of course.

00:31:09.580 How much of a biblical warning disaster is that?

00:31:13.540 Oh, you don't have to dig too deep to be—

00:31:16.060 We're destroying the entirety of the human experience?

00:31:18.540 I just wanted to say that.

00:31:19.640 And people themselves, right?

00:31:20.820 Yeah, it's the—

00:31:21.420 We're replacing human beings. 0.91

00:31:22.400 I know that'll end well.

00:31:23.180 Apex of the golden calf.

00:31:24.420 And by the way, I've done, I don't know, how many interviews on the topic of AI around the world.

00:31:28.180 I've been to a lot of different countries to learn, just for myself, more about what's happening there.

00:31:32.680 And the one question that no one can answer is, like, what's the benefit of this?

00:31:38.680 Power, control for others.

00:31:40.560 Yeah.

00:31:41.260 None of the benefits—

00:31:42.120 Yeah, whatever.

00:31:42.820 I don't want to sound like an old guy.

00:31:44.700 But I feel like when I hear this topic.

00:31:46.680 So—

00:31:47.040 But anyway, just back to the point.

00:31:50.220 Like, why specifically—

00:31:51.400 So, you've been talking about this on your podcast, on YouTube.

00:31:55.460 Yeah, my YouTube channel.

00:31:56.440 Yeah.

00:31:56.600 And which has a lot of viewers.

00:31:58.600 And why has no one called you to say, you know, I'll front you a couple hundred million bucks and we'll just build a facility and—

00:32:06.420 The difficulty with things like this is, so, okay, first of all, you think, how do you do that?

00:32:11.980 Okay, with what I'm talking about is not something that can be reasonably just scaled from a garage.

00:32:16.700 Like, what am I going to do?

00:32:17.520 Just build a few little ones here, sell them out, and eventually—

00:32:19.540 No, no, I got it.

00:32:19.560 I would buy one.

00:32:20.160 You got to do something.

00:32:20.940 If you're selling one, I would buy.

00:32:22.080 What's it look like?

00:32:23.080 I'm such a bad interviewer.

00:32:25.320 I haven't even asked the basic question.

00:32:26.460 No, you should.

00:32:26.960 It's pretty cool.

00:32:29.080 But can you describe it?

00:32:30.020 Give me a word picture.

00:32:31.560 I'm trying to think of anything that quite looks like it.

00:32:33.520 It's slippery.

00:32:34.880 It looks like a cross between an exotic car and a little bit of a Bonneville Salt Flats car.

00:32:40.600 Wow.

00:32:41.100 You didn't mention Cybertruck.

00:32:42.280 Does it have hard lines?

00:32:43.860 No.

00:32:45.340 Really?

00:32:46.220 Well, I'd like it to be efficient.

00:32:49.320 Oh.

00:32:49.640 Rather than just interesting for aesthetic state.

00:32:53.920 Respectfully.

00:32:54.300 I don't mean that as a dig.

00:32:55.920 No, no, no.

00:32:56.340 I'm not attacking the Cybertruck.

00:32:57.400 I personally think it's incredibly unattractive.

00:33:00.200 The Cybertruck?

00:33:00.980 Yes.

00:33:02.000 I just like the mean—

00:33:02.940 And I respect the Cybertruck, by the way.

00:33:04.300 I did a Cybertruck review.

00:33:05.280 Yeah.

00:33:05.460 I think it's a really interesting vehicle.

00:33:07.040 I'm glad it exists.

00:33:08.880 But I'm just saying, aesthetically—

00:33:10.700 Yeah.

00:33:11.480 It's pretty good looking.

00:33:12.680 It's a little different because we're accustomed to seeing what we're seeing.

00:33:15.460 Too many angles for me.

00:33:16.820 Oh, no, I was talking about my car, not the Cybertruck.

00:33:18.840 Okay, sorry.

00:33:19.580 I'm obsessed with—

00:33:20.320 No, the Cybertruck, the best meme is there's a DeLorean and an F-117 Nighthawk, right?

00:33:26.120 Yeah.

00:33:26.220 And an F-117 is like the military guy.

00:33:27.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:28.240 And the DeLorean is kind of like the mom.

00:33:29.460 And the Nighthawk's like, what do you mean he's my son? 0.93

00:33:33.000 He doesn't look anything like me.

00:33:34.980 And they show the Cybertruck, and he's like, whoa, you know.

00:33:38.080 I'm more like 1935 Packard, you know, just soft lines.

00:33:41.920 I have a 31 Buick Phaeton.

00:33:44.240 Is it pretty?

00:33:44.960 Yes, very.

00:33:45.500 Yeah, of course it is.

00:33:46.820 So, anyway, I keep interrupting you.

00:33:48.880 Tell me what it looks like.

00:33:50.000 What would you compare it to, something that people might—

00:33:52.980 Well, it's mid-engine, okay?

00:33:54.520 So, the engine's within the wheelbase but behind the cockpit.

00:33:58.440 It's two-seat.

00:33:59.360 It has butterfly doors similar to like a McLaren F1 in that regard.

00:34:03.160 It was efficient.

00:34:03.660 It has something of an open tail because I—it was very important the way the air flows around it but also underneath it so that I can make it highly efficient.

00:34:14.340 So, you know, the bottom of the—it's a monocoque structure where it's not like a tube frame with a body stuck on it.

00:34:21.620 The whole car is itself the structure as well.

00:34:23.680 So, the air, the way it flows over it through the radiator in the back, also to the heating of the motor, and the way that then intersects the trailing edge and the way the air flows around it.

00:34:33.540 It's just all designed to be design efficient.

00:34:36.320 It sounds amazing.

00:34:38.520 And you can even use the structure of the—sorry, the chassis or the structure.

00:34:42.920 So, I can even make the stereo system very small and effective and efficient because naturally, acoustically, it works out well for that too.

00:34:49.720 So, it's a lot of fun with design.

00:34:51.720 I just—every once in a while, you need somebody who looks around at the world and goes, this is wrong.

00:34:58.000 We can do better.

00:34:59.180 I can do better.

00:34:59.860 I'm going to do better.

00:35:00.940 And that's just—

00:35:01.920 So, you build this thing.

00:35:03.440 Can you register it?

00:35:04.440 Yeah.

00:35:04.640 Just, like, go to the DMV and register it?

00:35:07.520 Yeah.

00:35:07.760 It's registered no different than, like, an assembled vehicle or a kit car.

00:35:10.320 There's a lot of ways that are a modified vehicle.

00:35:12.440 It's just, like, a make car I made.

00:35:15.160 Yeah.

00:35:16.180 Huh.

00:35:17.480 Amazing.

00:35:18.860 Car guy stuff.

00:35:20.640 What do people say when you drive it around?

00:35:22.680 I keep it relatively under wraps because, respectfully, for as much time as it took me to build and what it represents, I consider it kind of valuable to trust out there in the wild with people on their cell phones and stuff.

00:35:32.060 So, I kind of go with a low profile, but people are definitely interested and enamored by it when they see it.

00:35:39.280 But they're not beating down your door.

00:35:41.340 Correct.

00:35:41.840 And that was the other interesting thing.

00:35:44.000 So, nobody reported on it, even though, you know, I got a few hundred thousand views on it when I said everything I wanted to say and show it and it did the numbers, right?

00:35:52.100 I would think if somebody builds a diesel car that represents being affordable and recyclable mass-produced, that gets great fuel efficiency and has a low carbon impact and all people would be into that.

00:36:02.960 Well, one word I got back from an automotive media was telling.

00:36:06.300 They said, we don't report on dirty diesel.

00:36:09.620 And the other was, diesel's dead.

00:36:11.100 And I thought about that.

00:36:11.960 And I go, hang on.

00:36:14.560 Diesel's, like, one of the most used fuels there are.

00:36:16.720 Wait, who wrote that?

00:36:18.740 It was said.

00:36:19.520 It wasn't written.

00:36:20.520 It was said to us privately.

00:36:21.400 But these are, like, professional car reviewers?

00:36:23.100 Correct.

00:36:23.380 They won't touch it.

00:36:24.020 They won't write about it. 0.98

00:36:26.360 Why do, this is obviously a much deeper question, but why do the worst people in the world, the most small-minded, the stupidest, the meanest, the people with, like, the most unbalanced, unhealthy personal lives, why do they all go into journalism, do you think? 0.99

00:36:40.560 That's a better question for you. 0.99

00:36:41.680 I don't know.

00:36:42.540 I've been pondering this for, like, 35 years and I don't understand it.

00:36:45.820 There are certain personality types.

00:36:48.560 And I see the worst ones as kind of, like, we talk about, like, the dark triad personality traits, which is, like, you know, psychopathy and Machiavellianism and narcissism, et cetera.

00:36:57.680 You know, these kinds.

00:36:59.600 I'm going to get in a lot of trouble for this.

00:37:00.940 No, I love it.

00:37:01.680 I've totally thought about this.

00:37:02.840 No, I've been around.

00:37:04.200 So, in the normal car world, sports cars and such, I'm going to get in trouble.

00:37:08.760 I love exotic cars.

00:37:09.940 I really do.

00:37:10.400 Okay?

00:37:10.960 Like, when I was a kid, my dad showed me the movies Grand Prix with James Gardner and Le Mans with Steve McQueen.

00:37:16.080 Please tell me you've seen at least one of these movies, right?

00:37:17.820 I don't know.

00:37:18.700 Okay, well, watch Le Mans with Steve McQueen.

00:37:20.500 Just getting a good vibe as Steve McQueen being himself and just Le Manson straight at Le Mans, early 70s, Porsche flat 12 against a Ferrari V12.

00:37:30.400 Just singing it.

00:37:30.960 And, like, as a kid, I'm like, I want that.

00:37:33.060 You know what I mean?

00:37:33.980 So, I love exotic cars because, for me, something like a V12 Lamborghini is like, yes, I can't be Steve McQueen at Le Mans, but I can drive this.

00:37:41.680 You know what I mean?

00:37:42.260 Yeah.

00:37:43.220 But, nowadays, they're paddle shifted and anybody that wants to flex can buy them.

00:37:48.460 So, if somebody ever said to me, hey, Casey, I need you to find me the most narcissistic sociopath possible.

00:37:53.160 I'm like, no problem.

00:37:54.040 Let's find the most Lamborghinis.

00:37:56.260 And the reason I bring that up—

00:37:57.680 And you say they're paddle shifted, meaning the—

00:38:00.300 Anybody can drive them.

00:38:01.080 They don't take any more skill or appreciation for the machinery, respectfully.

00:38:05.480 How were they—were you, like, double-clutching them?

00:38:07.760 Like, how hard were they to operate before when there was standard transmission?

00:38:11.860 Yeah, things like that back when, you know, carbureted.

00:38:14.220 Like anything, you've got to treat a muscle car right a little bit.

00:38:17.000 You know, something that's carbureted.

00:38:18.260 Or an old Harley-Davidson.

00:38:19.020 You have to know how to operate it.

00:38:21.180 But, yeah, I mean, if you get the privilege of driving something like an old Lamborghini or Ferrari from the 70s or earlier, you've got to be a little sympathetic.

00:38:28.600 You've got to understand the transmission.

00:38:29.740 You've got to be able to rev match gears and such.

00:38:31.840 You're not going to be doing wild burnouts and such.

00:38:35.580 You've got to understand the carburetors and letting it warm up and appreciate it.

00:38:38.160 And we're in an industrial age where you don't have to do that.

00:38:40.980 But to answer your question relating to journalism, I make that joke about certain things attract certain personality traits because those personality traits can do well. 0.89

00:38:49.720 So, you know, they also say Washington, D.C. is Hollywood for ugly people. 0.76

00:38:54.780 That's for sure. 0.95

00:38:55.280 And I think a lot of the traits of Hollywood to Washington, D.C. to journalism are the same kind of manipulative sociopath tendencies.

00:39:05.040 That you can lie to somebody with a smile perfectly and find the structured crazy chess game to ruin people's life and power play your way up and find power and money.

00:39:14.620 I mean, I think, I mean, everything you're saying is true, but it's just disappointing to see it in journalism, not because crappy people with weird personal lives go into journalism. 0.96

00:39:25.780 And they're cowards, of course. 0.92

00:39:27.740 Most people are, unfortunately. 0.98

00:39:29.500 But they have no curiosity.

00:39:32.680 I know.

00:39:32.920 And that's what drives me insane.

00:39:34.840 Thank you.

00:39:35.220 If there's one quality that defines journalism and a journalist, it's the desire to know more.

00:39:41.740 Right.

00:39:42.200 And they spend their whole lives trying to, you know, attack you, call you a racist for wanting to know more. 0.52

00:39:47.060 It's insane.

00:39:48.200 So somebody called me.

00:39:49.080 Well, actually, you did call me.

00:39:50.480 Oh, yeah.

00:39:50.700 And you're like, I built this car that gets 104 gallons.

00:39:53.860 I mean, miles to a gallon.

00:39:54.820 I'm not even a car guy, really.

00:39:56.100 But I'm like, well, that's kind of crazy.

00:39:57.480 On a diesel motor, really?

00:39:59.140 Engine?

00:39:59.600 Yes.

00:39:59.860 And, you know.

00:40:02.260 I tried to be polite and qualify myself.

00:40:03.680 Oh, but I just thought that was amazing.

00:40:04.940 It was amazing.

00:40:05.760 I was like, really?

00:40:06.540 Is that really true?

00:40:07.420 I guess you get video of it.

00:40:08.460 So I guess it is.

00:40:09.720 So I don't know why, if I was a professional car viewer, I'd be like, I'm coming to your house.

00:40:13.920 I want to see what this is.

00:40:15.020 Yeah.

00:40:15.220 And to be fair, in a manner of speaking, I didn't really invent anything.

00:40:18.760 I just designed something better and thought about the world independently.

00:40:22.940 And, like, I'm doing this.

00:40:24.200 It needs to represent what we actually can do and where we can go.

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00:42:59.880 Were you obsessed?

00:43:05.840 I don't think obsessed.

00:43:07.160 No, but I mean, did it, was it the kind of thing that occupied your thoughts in bed and

00:43:10.180 like, were you really fixated on it?

00:43:13.420 I mean, yeah, because I design the things in my head.

00:43:16.400 Yeah.

00:43:16.540 I'll do like a drawing or an engineering drawing or something just to communicate and show

00:43:20.240 somebody else.

00:43:20.880 But I'll run all the simulations and design the entire structure and everything in my

00:43:23.860 head.

00:43:25.220 My wife gets on my case sometimes. 1.00

00:43:27.160 So we go to date her.

00:43:27.720 She's like, I can see the hamster wheel turning. 0.84

00:43:29.420 I'm like, I'm sorry.

00:43:30.520 That's how creativity works.

00:43:32.900 It just, you know.

00:43:33.920 It germinates in your head.

00:43:34.560 No, I've lived in here.

00:43:35.540 But no, the journalists, I appreciate you saying that because they follow along.

00:43:39.640 They want their power within their bubble.

00:43:41.000 But the thing that's kind of crazy to me, when I say they're gutless, you would think

00:43:44.840 they would actually get better views and more clicks if they broke the mold to show something

00:43:48.700 interesting that maybe goes against popular narratives.

00:43:51.460 But they don't.

00:43:53.720 Oh, they spend their lives dutifully ignoring things.

00:43:56.700 I mean, there are megaliths around the world, including in the United States, huge stone structures.

00:44:01.360 And nobody, including any structural engineer in the United States, has no idea how they

00:44:06.940 were built in the pre-internal combustion age.

00:44:11.000 In the pre-industrial age.

00:44:12.320 Like, there's literally not even a good guess as to how this was built.

00:44:16.040 And I, of course, I don't know the answer either.

00:44:17.560 But I mean, that's such an amazing thing.

00:44:20.180 When were the pyramids built?

00:44:21.000 Nobody knows.

00:44:21.700 How were they built?

00:44:22.300 Nobody knows.

00:44:23.280 I can't get that out of my head.

00:44:24.860 And again, I'm not pushing a conspiracy theory.

00:44:27.280 I'm just noting what we don't know.

00:44:29.040 Yeah. 0.70

00:44:29.180 And I don't know why, like, everyone's like, shut up. 1.00

00:44:33.240 Shut up. 1.00

00:44:34.420 What? 1.00

00:44:35.340 No, I'm glad you said that.

00:44:36.380 And there's a lot of other structures that are popping up more nowadays in archaeology.

00:44:40.740 And there's even guys that do, like, surface LIDAR.

00:44:43.560 And they're seeing things in fields and such. 0.91

00:44:45.780 And as silly as it is.

00:44:46.760 Can you explain what that is for people who don't know what you're talking about? 0.95

00:44:48.180 To be perfectly honest, I don't know it as well.

00:44:50.400 But I think through the satellites and stuff that we can use now, like, nerds, and I mean that in a nice way, spend the time, like, looking over—it shows the exact topography of the ground.

00:44:59.580 Exactly.

00:45:00.200 Without vegetation and building things on the way.

00:45:02.280 And suggest what's underneath it.

00:45:03.400 Yeah.

00:45:03.620 So if you start seeing geometric shapes and stuff, might be something.

00:45:07.140 It might be man-made.

00:45:08.100 You know?

00:45:08.380 Or at least made.

00:45:09.600 Yeah.

00:45:09.820 And the other thing is, so, maybe not too long ago, 10, 20, 30 years ago, we think, oh, we've discovered everything.

00:45:15.920 We're brilliant.

00:45:16.520 We know everything.

00:45:17.000 It's just the opposite of the truth.

00:45:17.460 It's not true.

00:45:18.180 It's not true.

00:45:18.600 I know.

00:45:18.880 I know.

00:45:19.220 I really—I don't know if I'll have time or what the future will bring, but I really want to do some videos where you go to interesting places in the world to see and find these things.

00:45:31.440 And one thing I'd really like to do is motorcycles around Saudi Arabia.

00:45:35.520 Yeah.

00:45:35.920 Because it is a fascinating kingdom with some really interesting history.

00:45:39.720 I was just there.

00:45:40.680 Oh, yeah?

00:45:41.180 Yes.

00:45:41.740 And I was out in Al-Ula, which is the truly ancient—

00:45:45.180 Yes.

00:45:45.820 Right.

00:45:46.180 Yes.

00:45:46.540 That's the place you want to see it.

00:45:47.520 Yeah, one of them.

00:45:48.180 Right out from Riyadh.

00:45:49.220 It's quite amazing.

00:45:51.680 But the archaeology there, which is, you know, the Saudis have a lot going on.

00:45:54.560 They're building a whole new society.

00:45:56.260 Yeah.

00:45:56.440 And I don't know that they are, you know, focused on, like most emerging nations are not focused on archaeology.

00:46:04.420 All of the archaeological sites of significance in the Middle East and then, you know, the Near East, the Levant, were discovered by the Brits and the French.

00:46:14.140 Right.

00:46:14.300 All of them.

00:46:15.040 They'd sat there for thousands of years.

00:46:16.660 The locals were, like, too busy trying to stay alive to notice.

00:46:18.820 Well, they knew of it.

00:46:19.640 It was—I don't want to say normal to them, but that's their home.

00:46:21.960 But it took people from the outside to be like, wait, what the hell is that?

00:46:25.180 You know, where was whatever?

00:46:26.960 Sodom and Gomorrah, you know?

00:46:28.040 Yes.

00:46:28.440 Yes.

00:46:28.700 I mean, how much of that is biblical land, like the land of Midian, you know, which they know.

00:46:32.920 But the point is, that process of discovery and of creativity is driven by a common impulse, which is curiosity.

00:46:42.100 Yeah.

00:46:42.380 And so when you don't have curiosity, you're never going to discover it or create.

00:46:48.060 But more important, I think, for the moment we're living in, it's like, why don't you have curiosity?

00:46:54.620 Why is curiosity discouraged?

00:46:56.400 Like, that is a very—and I don't know the answer.

00:46:58.860 But I find it scary.

00:47:00.860 There's something sinister about that.

00:47:02.180 Don't ask questions.

00:47:03.000 Well, why?

00:47:03.840 Social media is doing it to us.

00:47:06.020 Yeah, but why?

00:47:07.380 What's the—

00:47:08.460 Well—

00:47:09.240 I mean, I don't even have very interesting, crazy views on anything.

00:47:12.720 But I know, just from talking about World War II, there are people alive who are in World War II.

00:47:17.660 It's like, it just happened 80 years ago.

00:47:20.340 People, like, denounce you as some Nazi.

00:47:23.040 I couldn't be more against the Nazis, just for the record. 0.91

00:47:25.220 But it's like, what was Rudolf Hess doing in Great Britain?

00:47:29.520 That's like a really interesting question.

00:47:31.440 No, not a lot.

00:47:32.380 They murdered Rudolf Hess in Spandau in his 80s.

00:47:36.780 I think it's really clear that he was killed.

00:47:39.180 So he wouldn't say why he flew over.

00:47:42.380 People just won't talk about things.

00:47:43.460 But it's like, but why?

00:47:45.220 Why is that scary to anybody?

00:47:47.000 What are—and the megalith thing and the archaeology thing.

00:47:49.700 Why are these scary questions?

00:47:52.480 Well—

00:47:52.760 What's the answer?

00:47:53.300 I don't understand.

00:47:54.160 I'll say it.

00:47:54.620 So you said relating to your cars about control, right?

00:47:58.960 Yeah.

00:47:59.320 I don't want this because they can't control it.

00:48:00.800 It's the same thing of, like, saying you can pry this, whether it's a sports car or firearm, out of my cold, dead hands.

00:48:06.000 If people don't ask questions and they're not interested in their own history or culture or the past or any others and they can't relate, it's easier to keep them in one place and your thumb on them.

00:48:16.540 I think that's—I mean, look, if—but I don't begrudge people a lack of interest in anything.

00:48:21.620 I mean, every person makes his own decisions about what he cares about and—

00:48:24.700 Yeah.

00:48:25.180 —and, you know, his beliefs, his religion, all those things.

00:48:27.580 You know, I'm, like, very, I guess, liberal in that sense.

00:48:30.820 I just—I'm worried when people attack me for being curious.

00:48:35.320 Yeah, I don't—I'm not into that myself.

00:48:36.300 And all these people on the so-called right, you know, whatever, a lot of which is, like, totally fake.

00:48:41.040 There's nothing right about it.

00:48:42.480 They're leftists.

00:48:43.700 Or they're—

00:48:44.340 True.

00:48:44.660 —you know, obeying the same masters.

00:48:46.540 They're sort of attacking you for asking—oh, just asking questions.

00:48:49.940 It's like, yeah, I am just asking questions.

00:48:51.580 Like, that's okay.

00:48:52.500 In fact, that's, like—

00:48:54.280 The nature of human existence.

00:48:55.200 —the core of Western civilization.

00:48:56.620 That's what Martin Luther did.

00:48:57.720 And the thing that, frankly, is so dangerous about—

00:48:59.780 No, it's perfect.

00:49:02.280 And, frankly, that's what I think is so dangerous about AI.

00:49:05.080 Yeah.

00:49:05.680 The journey, the life journey to find the wisdom, to learn, to seek the truth.

00:49:09.320 Will that stop it?

00:49:10.320 And then who's controlling it?

00:49:12.100 Well, the iPhone has not made us better informed.

00:49:14.200 You know, the internet has not made us better informed.

00:49:17.120 In fact, it's centralized control over information.

00:49:20.540 In effect, when Wikipedia is the first search result, and Wikipedia is completely controlled by the U.S. government, by the intel agency's fact.

00:49:29.760 And the results in Wikipedia are shaped subtly, sometimes not so subtly, to produce a worldview that is inherently dishonest.

00:49:39.760 It's not true.

00:49:40.960 And if you get your history through Wikipedia—I look at Wikipedia every day.

00:49:44.460 I'm not—you know, there are certain great things about Wikipedia.

00:49:46.820 But big picture, you're going to have no idea what happened in the past if all you do is read Wikipedia.

00:49:52.600 No, how can you?

00:49:53.320 I mean, we can think of so many popular things through history that are just that way, where people only know one superficial level.

00:49:58.960 The internet did that to us.

00:49:59.360 Are you kidding me?

00:49:59.980 The internet did that to us.

00:50:00.700 Oh, no.

00:50:01.700 No, it has.

00:50:02.300 It has made everything more extreme and pigeonholed everything.

00:50:05.040 You know, and it's— 1.00

00:50:05.600 But it's a dumber. 0.99

00:50:06.520 Like, people don't read books. 0.99

00:50:07.880 Well, here's something I noticed just from—

00:50:09.260 Sorry, now I'm really good.

00:50:10.320 Oh, no, you're right.

00:50:12.080 Well, just from doing automotive YouTube.

00:50:14.680 Yeah.

00:50:14.860 It still works the same as every other YouTube and human interaction and all that.

00:50:18.940 I—it's kind of a funny way to put it.

00:50:22.360 So, I was a car guy before YouTube, right?

00:50:24.480 I built cars.

00:50:25.100 I did all that sort of thing.

00:50:25.940 A lot of people that become more prominent in the automotive region of YouTube, they weren't as big a car guy.

00:50:31.160 They kind of just rose up as an interesting character.

00:50:33.500 And they're happy to be somewhat famous, make some money, do their thing, get acknowledgement.

00:50:37.740 And as I—I grew that, which is funny because the entirety of the reason I went on YouTube was just to try to get some exposure for the nonprofit I was doing because I couldn't get any with traditional media.

00:50:49.000 I was kind of pissed off.

00:50:50.500 Yeah.

00:50:51.400 So, I ended up there for that reason but kept it going because it's like, okay, well, I have something of a voice.

00:50:56.100 This is good for the nonprofit to give it exposure or just try to have a life and go somewhere, you know?

00:51:01.700 But what I noticed is they call the people that are creating the content the influencers.

00:51:08.340 They're the influenced because they're always chasing an algorithm.

00:51:11.400 And the algorithm wants to keep you in one place.

00:51:13.620 It doesn't let you evolve.

00:51:14.920 It doesn't let you do anything.

00:51:16.120 No, no, it's totally right.

00:51:17.120 It's a pseudo-reality.

00:51:19.180 And I see how that affects the culture in young people.

00:51:21.620 I don't like it.

00:51:22.740 No.

00:51:23.380 It's a snake in the ant's tail for sure.

00:51:26.840 I wonder that, like—I'm sure this has occurred to you, and I'm terrible at business, so don't take my advice.

00:51:32.460 But, like, since you have designed something that has inherent utility and obvious mass appeal, and I'm naive enough to think that still matters.

00:51:42.860 Like, if you make a great thing—

00:51:44.080 It does matter.

00:51:44.560 People want it, and they'll pay for it, especially if it's cheap.

00:51:48.420 Why not just do, like, a crowdfunding situation where you're like, all right, you know, I designed this vehicle.

00:51:53.480 It's 104 miles to the gallon on diesel fuel, which you can buy anywhere.

00:51:58.720 And that, you know, can match an electric vehicle off the line.

00:52:02.600 Like, who wants to send in money and let's make this thing?

00:52:06.240 Well, it's how you scale it, right?

00:52:07.820 So, in my thinking, if you do a crowdfunding type of thing, that's very grassroots, respectfully.

00:52:12.100 Yeah.

00:52:13.340 And I would have to go a different direction with the car where they'd kind of almost be, like, self-assembled prototype type things, and that's cool.

00:52:19.480 But honestly, the thing I kind of worry about doing that, starting a small scale versus something else, is that I don't want to do something, in a sense, too good to where they try to change the laws and ruin the ability for people to build their own cars.

00:52:34.600 I know that sounds a little kooky, but the other thing is if you think of, like, private equity guys and such, typically they want a faster return on such.

00:52:42.960 And the problem is when you're thinking of something that, frankly, upsets an industry and relates to the automotive industry, how do you integrate it?

00:52:49.480 Can you use the processes to make smaller parts that can be profitable in industry?

00:52:54.300 Do you start smaller like that?

00:52:56.100 Do you want to do all big scale and create a car company from the ground up?

00:52:59.300 Because that's no small task, monetarily speaking.

00:53:02.100 No, it's not.

00:53:02.500 And there's only so many idealistic rogue billionaires in the world, you know?

00:53:06.760 And that's generally what it takes, unless you have a government that wants to make something happen.

00:53:11.700 If you can make a vehicle like this for $20,000, why not just sell it for $50,000 on the internet?

00:53:17.960 I'd buy one.

00:53:18.900 You have a point, but you've got to scale that to a point that works, because there's a big difference between doing something in a small manufacturing to mass production.

00:53:26.940 There's just got to be a way to get it out there.

00:53:29.420 Well, Elon's first car with Tesla, the Roadster, was a Lotus Elise chassis with a different body and electrified.

00:53:36.340 And the guys that I knew who had those originally were rich guys.

00:53:39.620 They had Ferraris and Lamborghinis, and that was their cool toy to start with.

00:53:42.920 What's this car called, by the way?

00:53:44.660 The Tesla Roadster?

00:53:45.700 Your car.

00:53:46.300 The original one.

00:53:46.700 Oh, mine.

00:53:47.100 The Omega car, I called it.

00:53:48.280 The Omega car.

00:53:49.220 Yeah.

00:53:50.720 I'd like an Omega car in forest green.

00:53:52.760 Could you do that?

00:53:53.540 Oh, yeah.

00:53:54.380 Actually?

00:53:55.160 Yeah, why not?

00:53:57.360 I'd buy it in a second.

00:53:58.660 Can you ship them?

00:53:59.880 You can.

00:54:00.760 You can.

00:54:01.680 We'd have to talk if we want to prototype something, though.

00:54:03.480 Maybe we'll make something special.

00:54:05.240 Yeah.

00:54:05.780 Hold your fly rods.

00:54:06.980 Yeah, for real.

00:54:07.840 If you can't use it, what good is it, you know?

00:54:09.880 I'm getting one.

00:54:12.080 So, I just want to go back to something you said in the very first moments of this interview.

00:54:17.780 You said that you don't own any, you're obviously a car guy, you build cars.

00:54:23.060 My happiness is way too wrapped up in the ability to just drive my own car.

00:54:27.960 Yeah, I love it.

00:54:28.740 Whether anybody's around or not, I don't care.

00:54:30.340 Just let me drive my own car.

00:54:31.680 But you, like, wrenched on them, too.

00:54:33.300 Yeah, it's rewarding.

00:54:34.700 I don't necessarily want to do it all the time.

00:54:36.120 No, no.

00:54:36.680 No, it's awful.

00:54:37.760 I try to, my hands have healed up enough I won't bleed on my white shirt today.

00:54:42.320 That's nice.

00:54:43.660 But can I ask, like, you said that you don't have any vehicle older than early 2000s.

00:54:49.840 Newer.

00:54:50.320 Newer than early 2000s.

00:54:51.080 Rather.

00:54:51.720 Yeah.

00:54:52.240 Newer.

00:54:52.780 I beg your pardon.

00:54:53.980 So, why is that, like, what's bad about cars made in the last 25 years?

00:54:59.280 And please be very specific.

00:55:00.500 Oh, I will.

00:55:02.000 The first problem with new cars is you lose money hand over fist to depreciation.

00:55:06.200 Yes.

00:55:06.320 And then if you have to take out a loan for it, you're also paying interest on that.

00:55:09.020 Yes.

00:55:09.220 And one of the fastest ways I see normal people, in general, lose money is on new cars.

00:55:15.080 Yeah.

00:55:15.440 And they do it because they're afraid they can't work on it or service on it.

00:55:18.080 That's exactly right.

00:55:18.980 That's basically the only real deal.

00:55:20.280 That's exactly right.

00:55:21.780 But then you get dealerships that just find new ways to not do their warranty work.

00:55:25.880 Because that's where they make a lot of money.

00:55:27.140 And that's a separate thing.

00:55:28.280 So, a new car, I mean, that's nice if you can afford it.

00:55:32.220 But rather than buying a new $100,000 truck or SUV, I'd rather buy this nice used one for,

00:55:37.680 I don't know, $15,000 or $20,000 and spend the rest of the money.

00:55:39.980 I'll go, you know, if you got it, go buy a vintage Ferrari or a muscle car or something

00:55:43.260 cool.

00:55:43.700 You know, at least keep your money and have some fun.

00:55:45.600 But it's more than that.

00:55:46.820 So, cars, I would say, in the last 20 to 25 years, the evolution is not for the sake

00:55:55.160 of the car and the person and so much of the experience.

00:55:58.780 It's more for the sake of the nature of dealing with regulation and keeping a profit margin

00:56:04.060 and building it.

00:56:05.860 And when you do that, you make things that are inherently more prone to failing in the

00:56:11.440 future and less serviceable.

00:56:13.740 And that's not good for ownership or an actual lifespan.

00:56:17.800 So, everything, I mean, I grew up working on a motorcycle with a carburetor and rebuilding

00:56:23.560 the carburetor, adjusting the flow bowl, you know, had a timing light, adjust the points.

00:56:28.600 I mean, all that stuff, just like really super basic mechanics.

00:56:31.800 And, you know, there are lots of downsides to that.

00:56:33.420 They break a lot.

00:56:34.740 But you could understand it.

00:56:36.220 My feeling is the vehicles that I have had that are newer, I mean, I have no idea how they

00:56:41.320 work.

00:56:42.300 I don't feel injection is still kind of a mystery to me.

00:56:45.200 I'm sorry to say that it is.

00:56:46.460 It works the same way as a carburetor.

00:56:47.880 It's just metered and more complicated.

00:56:49.540 Well, I guess this trend toward making everything electric.

00:56:54.200 I bought a truck last year, a Chevy truck, which I've always had, and I was at a gas station

00:57:02.740 and all of a sudden on the dashboard, it says, stop, we're downloading information from the

00:57:07.240 internet or something.

00:57:07.940 While you were driving?

00:57:09.180 No, I was stopped.

00:57:10.460 It just specifically wanted you to stay stopped so it can...

00:57:13.100 So it could, I don't know, download softwares.

00:57:16.220 I sold the car immediately.

00:57:17.020 I brought it back and sold it.

00:57:17.740 They wanted all your data to provide it to insurance companies to wreck your life, I'm

00:57:21.280 sure.

00:57:21.460 Is that true?

00:57:22.860 Okay.

00:57:23.580 Insurance companies will be the downfall of cars and driving.

00:57:26.860 I guarantee it.

00:57:27.780 And the other thing is all the cameras that are out there, everybody's putting cameras

00:57:30.640 on their car.

00:57:31.240 I'm like, okay, you guys...

00:57:32.160 Cameras on their car?

00:57:33.420 Well, I'm sure you've seen it.

00:57:34.860 Like people are buying little cameras to see what happens. 0.97

00:57:37.880 If somebody does something stupid on the road, you can use that to protect yourself 0.97

00:57:41.320 legally, right? 0.99

00:57:42.140 That's why they sell it.

00:57:43.140 It's never occurred to me, but yes.

00:57:44.900 Okay.

00:57:45.340 What happens when those are mandated in every car everywhere?

00:57:48.060 What happens when you're completely mandated control?

00:57:51.220 Car shuts off at exactly 55 mile an hour speed limit, no matter what.

00:57:55.220 It's just another method of slippery slope of control, and it'll come from insurance companies.

00:57:59.780 And the law enforcement can turn off your car from afar, correct?

00:58:03.420 Yeah, and they do.

00:58:04.360 Well, with certain cars.

00:58:05.860 Yeah, certain cars.

00:58:06.680 So what's the...

00:58:07.900 When's the last year you could have a car that can't be controlled?

00:58:12.220 Oh, that's a good question because I don't mess around with those cars.

00:58:14.480 Very often.

00:58:15.920 Or ever.

00:58:16.760 But if you...

00:58:17.360 Is it fair to say...

00:58:18.080 Ones that are connected to the internet or a satellite in some way.

00:58:21.460 You know, OnStar kind of came about with your mirror, and I don't really know much about

00:58:25.140 it, but that was kind of the first, I think, mainstream way when we saw cars were being

00:58:28.420 specifically connected to something beyond yourself.

00:58:30.940 So would you say pre-9-11 cars are not...

00:58:35.320 They're a lot safer in terms of that.

00:58:36.900 The other thing, too, in the early 2000s, a system called hand bus system came out.

00:58:41.580 Hand bus.

00:58:42.360 It was to make wiring more efficient.

00:58:44.400 You theoretically have less wires, but everything is tied together through almost like a spinal

00:58:48.680 cord of the computer, and it has to speak to each other.

00:58:51.380 And that was something else that's kind of a beginning of the end and being serviceable

00:58:54.520 in the future and not creating cars with a lot of glitches.

00:58:57.460 It does feel like everything is...

00:59:01.640 You're going to have like fly-by-wire cars with, you know...

00:59:04.300 We already do.

00:59:06.260 The other thing is, a couple of small points that are also happening were the right to

00:59:11.540 repair your own private property is under attack.

00:59:13.860 That's for farmers. 1.00

00:59:14.660 What does that mean?

00:59:15.900 Well, I think there was a big thing going on with John Deere tractors where farmers couldn't

00:59:19.800 service their vehicles.

00:59:20.840 They have to take them to the dealership and have to plug in with the computer that only

00:59:24.480 the dealership has through the company.

00:59:26.960 And forgive me if I got this wrong.

00:59:28.160 I think it was John Deere.

00:59:29.620 But that's something that's happening everywhere.

00:59:32.340 Because if manufacturers or dealerships want more money, well, they want you to service

00:59:35.720 with them.

00:59:37.080 If they make it so you can only service with them no matter what, well, then they're going

00:59:40.840 to, in an authoritarian way, force you to let them make the money, which is, frankly, another

00:59:47.340 method of control.

00:59:48.380 And when you start adding all of those things up, you just keep taking away all the power

00:59:52.560 for the people before eventually you get to a point where, will you even be able to own

00:59:56.980 your own car anymore?

00:59:58.820 And will you driving it be a liability to where if we have self-driving cars, it just takes

01:00:04.300 you there at the most efficient time that whatever the it wants you to, wants you to.

01:00:09.660 So that's like an attack on human autonomy, obviously.

01:00:13.260 Yeah, it's where that's going.

01:00:15.160 It's something I hate.

01:00:15.820 So I had a Harley Davidson, you know, since I was in college in 1971, which, you know,

01:00:20.660 I could kind of understand.

01:00:22.220 Great bike.

01:00:23.260 But I bought a new Harley last year, and they delivered it, you know, big, fun bike, fast,

01:00:31.200 you know, like six speeds, which is crazy to me.

01:00:34.760 And just the transmission is like great.

01:00:36.420 I mean, my bike, you downshift, you got to pop the throttle, no return spring in the

01:00:41.140 throttle.

01:00:41.620 You got to pop that to get it down.

01:00:44.500 And so the shifting in this thing was just like beyond belief.

01:00:47.800 But when they delivered it to my barn, they, I said, let's talk about how to change the

01:00:53.480 oil, obviously.

01:00:54.960 And they go, you know, we don't, we actually recommend bringing it to the dealership.

01:01:01.740 And I was like, yeah, but it's changing the oil in the motorcycles, like not hard.

01:01:05.960 And they're like, well, you know, there are gaskets and gaskets.

01:01:10.140 Why would it be a gas?

01:01:11.320 Why did you have to replace a gasket to change the oil?

01:01:14.040 Anyway, I brought it back to the dealership.

01:01:15.660 Didn't want it.

01:01:16.040 Oh, really?

01:01:16.480 You're like, and now I'm done with you guys.

01:01:17.840 I did.

01:01:19.100 They were great.

01:01:19.900 I don't mean to attack them in any way.

01:01:21.280 They were awesome people.

01:01:22.520 Most motorcycle people are great people.

01:01:24.380 And they definitely were.

01:01:25.600 But I didn't want a motorcycle where you had to replace a gasket.

01:01:30.600 I mean, like pop the jugs off.

01:01:32.340 Okay.

01:01:32.640 But I mean, maybe like a little like copper O-ring or aluminum ring or something on the

01:01:37.660 drain plug.

01:01:38.420 But like, of course, you always have.

01:01:39.460 Is this one of those crazy modern manufacturing thing where you have to disassemble half the

01:01:43.100 engine?

01:01:43.260 And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:01:45.900 I was like, I'm not rebuilding the lower end.

01:01:48.140 I just want to change the oil.

01:01:50.140 And they're like, you know, most of our customers bring that back to the dealership.

01:01:54.360 And I was, and I don't know.

01:01:56.660 I didn't like that at all.

01:01:57.860 Yeah.

01:01:57.980 And I felt like there was a scam involved, which is the one you described, right?

01:02:02.260 Yeah.

01:02:02.500 It just triggers something kind of in your, uh, in the back.

01:02:05.340 It's like something's wrong here.

01:02:08.160 Yeah.

01:02:08.940 Well, and I don't say those things in a like kooky conspiracy, conspiratorial type of way,

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01:02:16.080 And, you know, when I see things like that, and I mentioned about, it'll be insurance

01:02:19.200 companies that ruin it for everybody.

01:02:21.120 Because the other thing is what happens when they start making it where you can't drive

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01:03:39.280 So I always felt that Cash for Clunkers, do you remember that program?

01:03:42.260 Yes.

01:03:42.700 That was a little early before I started paying attention to the goings on in the world.

01:03:45.720 So the federal government basically clunkers, like perfectly fine cars built before a certain

01:03:51.640 date, you could redeem them for cash.

01:03:53.840 And then they just, they melted them.

01:03:56.520 And I felt like there was something pretty sinister about that.

01:03:59.480 But maybe I'm just like one of those paranoid wackos who don't think Randy Weaver deserved 0.90

01:04:03.340 to be killed. 0.76

01:04:04.100 I don't know. 0.98

01:04:04.860 Maybe I'm just on the fringe.

01:04:05.940 If an industry, no, if an industry is no longer about innovation and it's so big that it can't

01:04:12.160 fail and it's pushed to go a certain way, well, then the best way to ensure that it succeeds

01:04:17.900 is force you to buy something new, even if it's not in your own best interest.

01:04:23.480 But it does, you know, you raised the question, which is how do you service vehicles made before

01:04:29.560 9-11?

01:04:30.180 And that is why people don't want them.

01:04:32.600 And I must say made before.

01:04:34.660 You said you buy-

01:04:35.780 The ones made before are easier to service than the ones made after.

01:04:38.980 Well, no.

01:04:39.660 I mean, it's like if you buy an older vehicle, and I drive an older vehicle, so I know, it's

01:04:44.600 like you can't just, I mean, you have to know someone who can fix it.

01:04:48.100 Yeah, of course, to an extent.

01:04:49.480 Yeah.

01:04:50.060 But are we entering a world where there won't be any mechanics who can, who know what a

01:04:54.940 carburetor is, for example?

01:04:56.460 I don't know about that so much.

01:04:58.620 It's specialized, but they're simple.

01:04:59.880 You can look at it and know the basic principles that are going on.

01:05:02.460 It's the newer stuff that's crazy.

01:05:04.660 For instance, my father-in-law recently got my mother-in-law this nice newer SUV.

01:05:09.440 I think it's a BMW.

01:05:10.380 I think it's a hybrid SUV.

01:05:11.460 She likes it.

01:05:12.460 And my father-in-law look at it and go by and we're like, there's a lot of servos and

01:05:16.280 things whirring and buzzing.

01:05:17.560 And I don't want to say it, but I guess I'm saying it now.

01:05:20.220 It's kind of like, when is this thing going to break?

01:05:22.080 And how much is that going to cost?

01:05:23.560 Yeah.

01:05:23.780 No, you're not going to reasonably fix that.

01:05:25.400 And then when that thing is older, that all these highly specialized little mechanisms

01:05:29.840 and circuit boards and servos or whatever go bad, who's making that?

01:05:34.500 And is it worth making it anymore?

01:05:36.520 Or is it just another giant, complicated, toxic, wasteful thing that we go on in this

01:05:41.960 vicious consumer cycle?

01:05:42.880 No, they just crush it.

01:05:46.060 Well, some older cars, you can still fix.

01:05:48.580 It's a goofy story maybe, but I bought a, for $8,000, I bought a 1996 Rolls-Royce off

01:05:55.540 Facebook marketplace, kind of as a joke.

01:05:57.960 I'm like, I don't know, this might be kind of cool.

01:06:00.620 I love the car.

01:06:02.220 And I ended up fixing it up for almost nothing.

01:06:04.300 And I got a car that in 1996-

01:06:05.980 Did it run?

01:06:06.660 Yeah.

01:06:07.480 It's a great car.

01:06:08.680 Taking off family trips and all in it.

01:06:10.720 I didn't have to do that much.

01:06:11.500 And a Rolls-Royce?

01:06:11.880 Yeah, it was like $170,000, $80,000 in the 90s.

01:06:15.060 But where I'm going with it is-

01:06:16.140 What about the way you roll?

01:06:17.440 Hey, look, I may not be wealthy, but I can live well if you've got a toolbox and some

01:06:21.700 know-how and you think for yourself, you know?

01:06:23.440 But where I was going with it is, that car's fixable.

01:06:26.580 The way it's constructed-

01:06:27.440 What kind of engine does it have?

01:06:28.700 It's got a V8.

01:06:29.400 It's all aluminum, naturally aspirated V8.

01:06:31.080 The transmission's General Motors-based.

01:06:33.040 So when I needed stuff to fix it, I just got it locally.

01:06:35.720 It was no big deal.

01:06:36.840 And sure, there's some things that are old Rolls-Royce on it, but it's built differently.

01:06:41.040 It's built to where you can actually repair the part, not just be a parts-changing type

01:06:47.480 of mechanic like modern things.

01:06:50.380 And people get into technology for technology's sake nowadays, but it's the philosophy of

01:06:56.320 design that goes behind it.

01:06:57.560 So we're locked in this consumer, industrialized, only new is better, more complicated, more

01:07:03.320 expensive, more regulated.

01:07:05.160 When the mentality and the know-how, should we say, of the first half of the 20th century,

01:07:09.840 we built things that could actually be repaired.

01:07:12.620 We built things that can be serviceable, that can last to an extent.

01:07:16.620 So why are we not still using good design and engineering mindsets and technology, you know,

01:07:23.540 direction with modernity in a way that's actually useful for people and communities and a nation

01:07:30.640 and rather than just an industry?

01:07:32.320 I'm most struck by, I mean, because we've de-industrialized, is part of it.

01:07:39.480 So that makes sense to me.

01:07:40.820 You know, why can't we build this or that thing?

01:07:43.480 Why haven't we been to the moon, you know, in 50 years?

01:07:47.360 Assuming we went in the first place.

01:07:49.160 I kind of get that because there are fewer competent engineers.

01:07:53.900 Everyone's a marketing major.

01:07:54.920 Okay, that makes sense.

01:07:56.300 What I don't understand is the decline in design, and not just in automotive, but across the

01:08:04.360 society, the civilization, actually.

01:08:06.720 We're making things uglier, aren't we?

01:08:08.300 Why is that?

01:08:10.380 That's a cultural issue.

01:08:11.900 I was in another city, I won't name it, but a nice kind of tertiary city, but a growing

01:08:19.080 city with a lot of nice people in it, affluent.

01:08:21.460 And I was driving through, this was last week, and I was driving through an affluent neighborhood

01:08:24.660 with one of my children, who's a design person, and I said, that house is black.

01:08:30.300 This is new built.

01:08:32.040 It's a brand new house.

01:08:32.940 Yeah, and they painted it black.

01:08:33.580 Normally, that would have meant, in Europe, you got the black pill egg, don't come here. 1.00

01:08:37.420 Yeah.

01:08:37.720 Back in the day, right?

01:08:38.500 Like, if you're in Amsterdam.

01:08:39.360 A black house?

01:08:40.540 Like, what?

01:08:41.320 Amsterdam.

01:08:41.640 And then I saw another.

01:08:42.860 And then I saw, like, three more.

01:08:43.880 I said to my daughter, I said, what is this?

01:08:47.340 She goes, it's disgusting.

01:08:49.260 And I felt that way, but, like, what?

01:08:51.740 Why would you ever paint a house black?

01:08:53.660 Or why would you build, like, what the hell is going on with design?

01:08:57.280 What's your theory?

01:08:58.620 Actually, I went, in college, I went to Ohio State, third generation there.

01:09:03.940 And originally, I was going in for automotive design or product design.

01:09:08.140 I really should have gone into engineering.

01:09:10.000 That's my forte.

01:09:10.780 But where I'm going with this is, it's housed within fine art in colleges.

01:09:15.760 Yeah.

01:09:16.080 And I generally dislike modern art, okay?

01:09:20.360 You think?

01:09:21.140 I think that if you don't have the technical skill to do something actually beautiful, then I don't care about your hoo-hoo abstract ideas, right? 0.98

01:09:30.620 But where I'm going with this is so-called art and design and product design has been influenced over the 20th century going back to, like, the Frankfurt School in Europe, which, frankly, was a lot of communist mindset that infiltrated the art world.

01:09:49.040 And it's made—

01:09:49.800 Sure, it's anti-Western civilization, anti-Christian. 1.00

01:09:52.600 It's anti-beauty.

01:09:53.520 So that's the point.

01:09:54.120 It's the simplest thing.

01:09:55.020 In fact, I gave you this small detail.

01:09:56.720 I ended up hating my experience there.

01:09:59.680 I ended up quitting after, like, a year and a half and designing my own major just to get the hell out of school.

01:10:03.660 Because I was kind of pissed off, actually, because there was one specifically, I remember in this one class, we get to design something for the whole semester, right?

01:10:12.240 And we're going to design a bathroom scale.

01:10:15.220 I'm like, okay.

01:10:16.220 I thought about it. 0.98

01:10:16.920 I'm like, this sucks. 0.89

01:10:18.360 With the way they're teaching us to have an aesthetic, do the simplest thing possible, which is somewhat communistic in a way, you know, it seems almost solely— 0.95

01:10:27.180 That's the imperative?

01:10:27.960 Make it as simple as possible?

01:10:29.020 The simplest, most boring thing possible.

01:10:30.700 I'm like, what is the point?

01:10:31.400 Let's just have a white room with one wasili chair in the back of it.

01:10:34.700 We'll just sit there and hate our lives.

01:10:36.120 Like, anything beautiful, anything classic, they shied away from design.

01:10:41.560 Literally pushed away.

01:10:43.120 What about natural?

01:10:44.520 Natural beauty?

01:10:45.480 That's not their thing.

01:10:47.040 It does seem like there's a very intense, like, almost visceral hatred of nature coming off design people.

01:10:54.420 It's like—

01:10:54.820 Strangely, yes.

01:10:56.100 Strangely.

01:10:56.840 But in regard to this story, I have to tell you.

01:10:59.400 So, the bathroom scale, I thought to myself, this is going to take a semester?

01:11:03.260 It doesn't even have to function.

01:11:05.140 And if they just want to make the simplest thing possible, okay, here, here's a round piece of glass with an LCD display on it that tells you to go eat a salad.

01:11:12.100 Like, well, I don't want to do this.

01:11:13.940 And so, I met with the academic advisor, and I said, I will meet all of your academic requirements for this class, but please let me design something at my level right now.

01:11:22.920 Let me design a car.

01:11:24.380 And they said no.

01:11:26.580 They would not let me design anything.

01:11:27.920 Just because there's too much initiative and too much creativity?

01:11:30.500 They wouldn't let me do it.

01:11:31.580 Did you pay for this experience?

01:11:33.020 Yeah, sadly.

01:11:33.980 And that's a problem with the American educational system.

01:11:35.800 You know, libraries are free.

01:11:38.420 Yeah.

01:11:39.400 You know, there's a lot of nice people out there that can help you learn.

01:11:41.840 But, so, I stayed around in that program for another semester.

01:11:46.580 I didn't do anything the whole semester.

01:11:48.060 The night before the exam and presentation, I just Ferris Bueller'd a bunch of stuff together and ran around.

01:11:52.940 I don't know, got a B+.

01:11:53.960 And I just designed cars and things on my own.

01:11:56.600 But how insane is that, that in college, when you're actually paying to be there, and there's supposed to be design and product design, that they won't actually let students do what they're capable of doing or push a boundary or go anywhere.

01:12:09.620 They literally keep a thumb on you like that.

01:12:11.700 I quit the program after that.

01:12:14.320 And I stopped caring.

01:12:16.940 Fortunately, when I was in high school, and hopefully people have teachers that actually care that matter.

01:12:22.680 I had art teachers that made the world of difference for me and a lot of other people.

01:12:27.640 That was huge.

01:12:28.900 And people write things off now in, you know, pre-college.

01:12:32.800 Things like shop, home ec, vocational, art, engineering, drawing.

01:12:38.620 Those are some of the most important things you can possibly have.

01:12:42.080 But we got rid of all of those things to push college prep.

01:12:44.540 Way more than, I don't know, third wave feminist literature?

01:12:47.540 I don't know.

01:12:48.020 Rethink what you just said and ask yourself, do I really mean what I said?

01:12:53.920 Well, that, I don't know, that architectural draftsmanship is more important than, say, The Color Purple by Alice Walker?

01:13:01.020 You mean the things that actually make you contributing, functioning, individual members of society? 0.97

01:13:05.340 That elevate beauty and truth over, like, garbage by some low-IQ unhappy chick? 1.00

01:13:10.260 Yeah, they go into an academic vacuum that's not the real world, that's fueled by loans you can't default on? 0.80

01:13:16.980 Whether there's going to be a job for you or not?

01:13:21.280 You know, I would say beneath your car design exterior lies a fairly incisive and bitter critique of the society.

01:13:29.860 I think and look around.

01:13:31.660 Yeah.

01:13:31.980 I don't like liars.

01:13:33.420 I don't like being lied to, and that goes culturally, too.

01:13:35.660 I don't either.

01:13:36.620 I completely agree.

01:13:38.360 So how, I just have to be clear on this, how, if there are other eccentric people out there who would like one of these vehicles that you've designed, how would they, would you be willing to make them to order?

01:13:53.940 Yeah, I could do that.

01:13:55.280 You have to think about the structure of who wants to do what.

01:13:58.080 You know, early adopters are usually people that can afford something.

01:14:00.480 It's going to cost more than $20,000 when you're building something, but certainly that can be done.

01:14:04.720 I could make lower production numbers, and you could build something and a bit of a movement, too, from the ground up.

01:14:10.740 Well, it would be cool to build it with a gas tank sufficient to get coast-to-coast, or, you know, I'd be...

01:14:16.040 It's very doable.

01:14:16.880 And the other thing is, I, you know, I like to do amateur race driving and vintage racing, so I like to make cars that are fast.

01:14:23.320 And for me, it's kind of fun, the idea, to make things that get over 100 miles a gallon that beat Dodge Vipers and Corvettes and Teslas.

01:14:30.420 You know, that's what we did back with Bustle Cars.

01:14:32.300 So how do people find you if, like, if you made it this far in the interview?

01:14:36.040 I'm shockingly easy to find.

01:14:37.340 You are.

01:14:38.800 Perhaps a little scary.

01:14:40.080 So maybe find a nice method rather than I just look out the window one day and go, ugh.

01:14:44.060 So you're not giving your home address?

01:14:46.460 Not at this moment.

01:14:47.360 But are you open to kind of custom builds?

01:14:49.440 Of course I'm open to doing things.

01:14:51.040 I mean, you know, I have a nice enough life.

01:14:53.600 I have a wife.

01:14:54.480 I have a cute daughter.

01:14:55.720 Nice neighborhood and neighbors and toys to play with.

01:14:58.760 But there's more to life than that.

01:14:59.840 Can you find men to work for you? 1.00

01:15:03.660 Of course.

01:15:04.540 Heck, I've been mentoring college students for the last decade plus.

01:15:07.280 I can call up half of them.

01:15:09.280 They've got great jobs out there.

01:15:10.300 So I guess it gets to a larger question.

01:15:11.560 I mean, the trades are not dead, correct?

01:15:13.480 No, they're not dead.

01:15:14.460 And they're vastly important right now.

01:15:16.040 More people should be going into them.

01:15:17.100 I know.

01:15:18.260 You wouldn't have all the student debt.

01:15:19.380 But in your life, if you all of a sudden got an order for 15 of these vehicles, could you find the people necessary?

01:15:25.360 Yeah, I can put that together.

01:15:26.380 Wow.

01:15:26.940 Okay.

01:15:28.640 Well, and even if there's something that I don't know, I'm going to find it.

01:15:31.820 Yes.

01:15:32.280 Like you make it happen.

01:15:34.020 But, you know, one man can't do everything by themselves.

01:15:37.320 You know, if you're building something and nobody wants it, well, that's a problem.

01:15:41.000 You need to build something somebody wants.

01:15:42.320 And if it requires a team of people coming together, whether that's with talents or resources or finances to do it, then you find a way.

01:15:51.700 Do you think if you started doing this, the government would jump on you?

01:15:55.220 It depends on how you do it.

01:15:56.440 It is a game.

01:15:57.280 And to be honest, when I look at the car and what I've done with that or with the educational nonprofit or anything else in life, I look at how do I have the biggest positive impact I possibly can?

01:16:09.660 You know, and right now, the biggest impact with regard to the car is talking about it.

01:16:12.940 So people do know what's possible.

01:16:15.200 So hopefully maybe they kind of, you know, wake up for a second from the cell phone, look around and think.

01:16:21.880 That's a vastly important thing to do.

01:16:24.620 So I think it has tremendous value there.

01:16:28.480 But, you know, I want to build something.

01:16:30.720 You know, I'm an America first kind of guy.

01:16:32.480 Like, why in the heck are we not building these things here?

01:16:35.520 Yeah.

01:16:35.860 Why?

01:16:36.520 We should.

01:16:37.540 You know, I'll give you an example.

01:16:39.340 I've been around the sun, I don't know, 43 times in my life, right?

01:16:42.800 When I was younger and we were working in a little town golf course that's a family business, and a lot of the guys that golf at our golf course were blue-collar.

01:16:51.120 Everybody there is largely working class, old World War II vets, that sort of thing, right?

01:16:55.560 Yeah, it's Toledo.

01:16:56.540 Yeah.

01:16:56.940 Yeah, well, and that was even Tiffin.

01:16:58.200 But the point I'm making is if I'm, like, riding a motorcycle around Toledo or something, I'm like, nothing's changed.

01:17:02.540 Nothing's changed in the last 50 years.

01:17:03.900 There's people out here.

01:17:04.620 They want to work.

01:17:06.400 They want a job.

01:17:07.220 They want a community.

01:17:08.000 But what's going on out there in the world that doesn't allow people to have that anymore?

01:17:13.360 And that's what, frankly, ticks me off.

01:17:16.120 And usually I get ticked off, and then I think and plan and do something.

01:17:19.640 Yeah.

01:17:20.780 Well, there's an instinctive hatred coming from our leaders for those kind of people.

01:17:26.360 I know.

01:17:27.260 It's pretty obvious.

01:17:28.740 I know.

01:17:29.600 Casey, I really appreciate you taking all this time.

01:17:31.500 Amazing.

01:17:31.920 Thank you.

01:17:32.140 And I'm going to order a vehicle from you.

01:17:33.500 I appreciate it.

01:17:34.100 It'd be fun.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - March 28, 2025

How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It

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