The Tucker Carlson Show - How Wall Street & the FBI Colluded to Destroy Trevor Milton After His Tech Threatened Big Oil

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00:00:33.320 In a lifetime of listening to stories about innocent people wrongly prosecuted,

00:00:37.980 I have never heard anything like what happened to Trevor Milton.

00:00:42.240 You've got to watch this.

00:00:56.060 You often hear the phrase miscarriage of justice, and we had this pretty amazing dinner last night

00:01:10.040 where you explained exactly what happened to you.

00:01:11.840 And the details are so shocking that I just want to start this by saying

00:01:15.640 I'm really excited for people to hear exactly what happened to you

00:01:19.480 because I think those of us who felt that this was the most just country in the world

00:01:24.200 will have our preconceptions adjusted.

00:01:29.260 You had a vehicle company.

00:01:31.680 Tell us about the company.

00:01:32.660 What did it do?

00:01:33.360 You started it.

00:01:34.820 What was the product?

00:01:35.820 How did it work?

00:01:36.420 Yeah, so Nikola.

00:01:38.900 Nikola was a company I built out of my basement.

00:01:41.520 And a quick pause there just for everybody.

00:01:44.000 By the way, Tucker's dinners are awesome.

00:01:47.620 I don't make them.

00:01:49.140 We came here last night, had dinner with him first.

00:01:51.640 It was such an incredible time to just talk about anything.

00:01:55.080 So thanks for having us over for dinner.

00:01:57.000 Oh, gosh. It was great. I loved it.

00:01:57.600 And it allowed me to really get to know you, too.

00:01:59.700 So thanks. That was really cool.

00:02:01.140 Thank you.

00:02:01.520 So Nikola. Nikola was a company I built out of my basement.

00:02:07.020 So a true entrepreneur story.

00:02:09.500 Literally right out of my basement in my house in Salt Lake City is where we started it.

00:02:14.360 We grew it to the point where we are bursting at our seams inside of our basement.

00:02:19.420 And our whole goal was to build a clean emission truck.

00:02:24.320 And it kind of morphed through the time.

00:02:26.840 Like we started off as like a natural gas truck.

00:02:28.720 And then we moved it to a hydrogen zero emission truck.

00:02:32.480 When you say truck, like pickup truck?

00:02:33.900 A big semi truck.

00:02:34.980 Okay. So the trucks that haul goods across the country.

00:02:37.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:38.660 The ones you see on the freeways hauling 80,000 pounds.

00:02:41.520 That was our...

00:02:42.460 Because it was the third...

00:02:43.440 I think it was around the third largest polluting industry in America.

00:02:46.080 So the whole point was just to reduce, you know, the amount of the emissions and noise.

00:02:51.240 And it was also the fact that electric powertrains are so efficient.

00:02:55.560 I just loved them.

00:02:56.500 I grew up on locomotives.

00:02:57.760 My dad managed the railroad when I was a kid.

00:03:00.280 So I grew up on locomotives.

00:03:01.780 And the whole idea was to build a locomotive semi truck.

00:03:04.400 That was like my...

00:03:05.140 People may not know that many locomotives are electric.

00:03:08.640 They all are.

00:03:09.760 All their entire powertrains electric.

00:03:11.920 They have a diesel generator that powers the electric motors.

00:03:14.240 But for the torque and the power, you have to have the electric motors.

00:03:20.720 We did a video last summer on the Cybertruck.

00:03:23.580 And we hauled 8,000 pounds of dirt in the thing.

00:03:26.540 And if you ever hauled anything in a truck, you know...

00:03:29.040 You can feel the engine strain when you're in an electric vehicle.

00:03:32.020 And I'm pretty opposed to electric vehicles generally.

00:03:34.380 But for hauling stuff, it's beyond.

00:03:37.100 The difference is just crazy.

00:03:38.600 One of the best parts is the ability to recapture all the energy.

00:03:42.340 That's what I love the most about electric powertrains is that like when you go to hit your brakes, rather than wearing brake pads down, what happens is those motors go into reverse.

00:03:51.780 And they're able to absorb all that.

00:03:53.360 They become a generator and they start outputting.

00:03:55.620 So say like the Cybertruck's like 400...

00:03:58.560 I don't know if it's a 400 or 800 volt platform.

00:04:00.860 I think it's 400 volt.

00:04:01.620 But anyways, what happens is instead of using 400 volts, now you're charging 400 volts into your batteries.

00:04:06.980 And so with big semi trucks, it makes a huge difference.

00:04:09.340 So I live a part of my life up in kind of the Utah, Wyoming area.

00:04:14.720 And there's a part of these paths that goes from Park City down to Salt Lake.

00:04:18.480 Imagine if you have an 800 or an 80,000 pound load, you're charging your battery all the way from the top of Park City all the way to the bottom.

00:04:25.360 You're going to have a battery that's 20, 30% charged more when you get to the bottom.

00:04:30.060 Just from braking.

00:04:30.560 Just from, exactly, regeneration.

00:04:32.880 So you're not even braking.

00:04:34.040 You never use your brakes.

00:04:35.520 And that's what's so cool about electric vehicle.

00:04:37.760 Like really what it is, is the instant torque and the ability to recover all the lost energy.

00:04:42.460 And that's just something you can't get anywhere else except for that.

00:04:45.360 I strongly agree.

00:04:47.300 Just as an engineering matter, it's incredible.

00:04:50.300 So you build this company, it starts electric, and then you go into hydrogen.

00:04:57.700 Can you give us the non-complicated one-minute explanation of what that means?

00:05:01.320 What's a hydrogen motor?

00:05:02.800 Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the atmosphere.

00:05:05.560 It's the only energy that can never be depleted.

00:05:09.580 So there's a reason why I love hydrogen is that it comes from water.

00:05:13.700 You can split.

00:05:14.260 It comes from water.

00:05:15.420 You're able to split it.

00:05:16.180 It's also in the atmosphere.

00:05:17.720 H2O.

00:05:18.480 H2O hydrogen, exactly two parts.

00:05:20.300 Exactly.

00:05:21.400 So how this works is the hydrogen is stored in, you separate it from the water, you store it.

00:05:28.760 And the hydrogen is then passed through a membrane, which creates electricity.

00:05:32.580 That electricity is captured through these membranes and delivered to the batteries of the vehicle.

00:05:37.680 Now, there's inefficiencies with hydrogen, but there's also inefficiencies with electricity on the grid.

00:05:42.480 So if you produce hydrogen on site, it can be as efficient or better efficiency than electricity itself.

00:05:49.920 So when a lot of people plug in their cars, they're like, oh my, you know, they talk about the efficiency of an electric vehicle like 97% or 92%.

00:05:59.400 Well, that's great, but it's actually not really that.

00:06:03.300 Let's talk about where was that power generated from.

00:06:05.820 Exactly.

00:06:06.520 It was generated from a solar farm.

00:06:08.880 Okay.

00:06:09.100 I have 22% efficiency or less.

00:06:11.520 And then transmission lines that take you 800 miles to your home through transformers.

00:06:17.460 You've lost another 20, 30% of efficiency over all that entire lifeline if you factor in how much loss actually happens on a grid.

00:06:24.900 And through transformers and transformers into your home and all this stuff.

00:06:30.720 And so realistically, like if you look at that, the numbers can actually be worse than hydrogen, but people don't want to believe it.

00:06:35.200 They're like, oh, my car is 90, 92% or 97% efficient.

00:06:39.080 Once the electricity reaches your vehicle.

00:06:40.940 Once it reaches your vehicle.

00:06:41.960 Right.

00:06:42.220 So with hydrogen, the point is, is that you're producing, hydrogen is so difficult to say transport.

00:06:50.020 It's not extremely difficult, but it's harder than electricity to transport.

00:06:53.340 So what you do is you, you produce it on site.

00:06:56.340 So you're saving all that efficiency, say from like hydroelectricity or whatever.

00:06:59.240 Right.

00:06:59.820 But the whole point is, is that hydrogen can be used over and over and over again.

00:07:02.980 And you don't have to mine any mountains.

00:07:05.260 You don't have to, you don't have to, you know, there's no other elements other than just water and electricity.

00:07:11.500 That's it to produce hydrogen.

00:07:13.140 So there's good and bad about hydrogen.

00:07:15.060 It does not fix every application.

00:07:17.140 And I've always told people, like, I think that like electric vehicles on a car level or make much more sense.

00:07:21.620 But hydrogen on a heavy duty level makes more sense.

00:07:24.500 So hydrogen for semi-trucks, for trains, for, for the maritime, the marine industry, the maritime industry, for ships, for aviation.

00:07:33.180 That's where hydrogen makes all the, all the.

00:07:34.900 How expensive is it?

00:07:36.600 It's not that expensive, actually.

00:07:38.640 To produce it, we call it, you move the decimals.

00:07:41.340 So let's say that your cost of energy is two cents a kilowatt hour, hour.

00:07:46.300 Okay.

00:07:46.460 So let's just say your, or two cents a kilowatt, your hydrogen is $2 a kilogram.

00:07:51.740 So it's actually really cheap.

00:07:53.040 And a kilogram is actually about a kilogram on a, on a, uh, is pretty equivalent to, if you were to think about like a gallon of diesel, it's very similar.

00:08:05.220 Kind of on energy level, like if, how far a vehicle can go, that's kind of how we, there's a lot of factors into that.

00:08:11.180 So it's not an exact science, but the point is, is that to make it easy is a kilogram of, kilogram of hydrogen is going to get, is going to be very similar to like, you're going to cost compare it to a gallon of diesel.

00:08:21.320 So just a couple of dumb questions.

00:08:22.820 I, I have a hydrogen powered truck.

00:08:24.500 How do I fill it up?

00:08:25.580 You can't right now.

00:08:26.260 And that's a problem.

00:08:26.920 So that's what Nikola was all about was the chicken and the egg.

00:08:29.640 The idea around Nikola, the reason why it went parabolic was it was not just building hydrogen trucks.

00:08:34.440 It was actually supplying the, the egg too.

00:08:37.040 So it's like a cell phone.

00:08:38.200 Your cell phone is worthless without the tower.

00:08:40.660 So there, everyone's like, oh, you know, hydrogen, there's no, there's no infrastructure.

00:08:44.180 It's stupid.

00:08:44.640 It's going to cost a hundred billion to develop infrastructure.

00:08:46.820 Well, they spent, you know, hundreds of billions on cell phone towers.

00:08:50.620 Who cares?

00:08:51.780 Infrastructure is like, you know, it's, it usually sticks around for 50 to 100 years.

00:08:54.880 You spent over a trillion dollars on the Iraq war.

00:08:56.920 There you go.

00:08:58.760 Yeah.

00:08:59.180 Got a lot out of it.

00:09:00.420 We didn't even get our, our airplanes back.

00:09:02.020 They left them over there.

00:09:02.980 Yeah.

00:09:03.640 It's now controlled by Iran.

00:09:05.020 So yeah, big win.

00:09:07.980 Okay.

00:09:08.500 So you were in the business, not just to building the trucks, but of building the infrastructure

00:09:13.720 to fuel the trucks.

00:09:14.700 It was, that was the whole reason of Nikola.

00:09:17.380 It was really an energy play.

00:09:19.080 The point was, is to displace the oil companies.

00:09:22.180 That was my, that was my goal.

00:09:23.480 And my dream was to, it was to either partner with or displace the oil company.

00:09:26.920 And I look, I have no problem with, with diesel.

00:09:30.460 I think it's one of the greatest things Americans, America's ever found was diesel.

00:09:34.360 It, it's powers everything.

00:09:35.920 It powers, I mean, you have diesel literally you have like, you have this, it touches your

00:09:41.360 life probably a hundred times a day.

00:09:43.500 I mean, even a piece of plastic has, you know, has petroleum in it, right?

00:09:47.040 There's everything about diesel was, it's the most efficient way of moving American goods

00:09:53.060 for over a hundred years.

00:09:54.080 You know, like it's just the greatest thing America's ever seen, but there's also ways

00:09:58.680 you can have both in this world.

00:10:00.200 And that was my, my goal was, is to, was to become a, or like essentially as powerful

00:10:07.480 or as big as like an oil company, but not doing oil, but doing hydrogen.

00:10:12.140 And that was my goal.

00:10:13.340 That was really the idea was to, is to eliminate the emissions on the road, become an, uh, an

00:10:17.980 energy conglomerate and provide energy.

00:10:21.020 That's a residual income every month in your life.

00:10:23.180 And that's what I, that's, that was what is hydrogen produced at plants.

00:10:28.320 They don't want to produce hydrogen to power a fleet of trucks.

00:10:31.280 Where do I produce it?

00:10:32.500 Yeah.

00:10:32.780 You would have a plant that you would build and it would be done.

00:10:34.880 There's two different ways of doing it through a proton exchange membrane.

00:10:37.600 They call them PEMs or through electrolysis.

00:10:40.700 So those are the two main methods.

00:10:42.880 And even like Chevron right now produces hydrogen, but it's like $20 a kilogram.

00:10:47.200 Well, that's, that, that equates to $20 a gallon of diesel.

00:10:51.420 So you'll never compete.

00:10:52.620 The point of hydrogen is, is what you have to do is build it on size.

00:10:55.900 So very similar to data synergy.

00:10:57.100 We were talking about data centers last night, um, the amount of energy that they're consuming

00:11:02.320 for AI.

00:11:03.160 And so what do they do?

00:11:04.140 They go build them on right next to the, what do they do?

00:11:06.660 They build them next to the nuclear plant now.

00:11:08.500 No, of course.

00:11:09.200 So it's the same thing with hydrogen.

00:11:10.560 The only, like we, we had, we had the nuclear plant in Arizona was quoting us energy under

00:11:14.860 two cents a kilowatt hour at the time.

00:11:17.700 So that they can make it for a penny and a quarter, a nuclear plant can.

00:11:21.460 So what you're talking about is you're talking about if it's two cents a kilowatt hour, you're

00:11:25.100 talking about, I'm sorry, uh, you know, two cents a kilowatt.

00:11:28.360 You're essentially, uh, you're essentially producing hydrogen in about, um, you're producing

00:11:33.100 hydrogen about $2 a kilogram.

00:11:34.340 And at that point, you're half the cost of diesel.

00:11:36.160 It's game over.

00:11:36.740 The entire world would, everything would go hydrogen.

00:11:39.160 And we were on the verge of that.

00:11:40.480 And then that's when the forces that be came after us and decided to completely destroy

00:11:45.260 us.

00:11:45.520 It was a, it was a most wild event.

00:11:47.160 So it takes a lot of energy to produce hydrogen.

00:11:49.600 A ton.

00:11:50.160 But it's, but it's okay.

00:11:51.200 Cause we have more energy than we know what to do with it.

00:11:53.860 Realistically we do.

00:11:54.740 Cause for instance, um, the grid can only handle so much energy.

00:11:58.840 And so if you look at California, California will actually pay you to take their energy

00:12:02.840 at parts of the day.

00:12:03.880 Cause you have too much of it from solar.

00:12:05.460 Solar is fantastic in, in the West coast.

00:12:08.100 Um, and even in some other areas.

00:12:09.740 But the problem is, is the sun comes out, it loads the whole grid full of energy and

00:12:13.320 then they have to start dumping it.

00:12:14.980 So what one great thing about hydrogen is, is that you can buffer the grid.

00:12:18.640 You can say, send anything you want to the grid.

00:12:21.060 Doesn't matter.

00:12:21.660 Cause any excess, we can produce hydrogen and you can suck out hundreds of megawatts of

00:12:26.240 energy from the grid producing hydrogen and storing it.

00:12:28.900 And then you can store it liquid as well.

00:12:30.780 And then you can transport it from there.

00:12:32.440 And that was the whole idea of hydrogen.

00:12:34.140 It's, it's not a one size fits all, but it's a solution to the major problems we have in

00:12:38.800 America.

00:12:40.160 How dangerous is it to transport hydrogen?

00:12:42.560 Not dangerous at all to transport it.

00:12:44.380 Um, most of the time they'll transport it in liquid form and that's the best way to transport

00:12:48.260 it.

00:12:48.420 And it's very inexpensive to liquefy.

00:12:50.140 It's about 50 cents a kilo, a kilogram.

00:12:52.460 So if you're $2 a kilogram and you can liquefy it for 50 cents, now you're $2.

00:12:56.240 50 a kilogram.

00:12:57.320 And you can, you can move that anywhere in America at, at eight to 16,000 kilograms at

00:13:02.220 a time, just like an oil tanker is.

00:13:04.540 And it's as not more dangerous than an oil tanker.

00:13:08.560 It's, it's more, I would say it's more dangerous, but it's, it's nothing different than like

00:13:12.500 transporting helium or, or, or any other gas like natural gas.

00:13:16.160 Like you see, no one knows that natural gas is being transported everywhere all the time.

00:13:20.240 And it's extremely volatile.

00:13:22.100 So, uh, hydrogens, hydrogen, the reason why hydrogen can be a little bit dangerous is that

00:13:26.980 the molecule is so tiny.

00:13:28.400 It's the smallest molecule in the, and you know, out there.

00:13:31.120 So it gets, the fittings have to be designed perfectly.

00:13:33.540 The lines have to be inspected all the time.

00:13:35.640 But one great thing about hydrogen is, is it's, is how light it is.

00:13:40.120 So if you were to have an accident or something like that, it just goes straight into the atmosphere

00:13:43.180 because of how light it is.

00:13:44.500 Unlike propane where it settles.

00:13:46.320 Yes.

00:13:46.640 The real dangerous stuff is propane.

00:13:48.060 That's like, cause it settles below the air and any sparkle just, I mean, I mean, everyone

00:13:51.960 doesn't even know that.

00:13:52.840 I mean, they have a propane tank next to almost everyone's house in a lot of rural areas in

00:13:56.280 America.

00:13:56.800 Oh yeah.

00:13:57.620 That thing.

00:13:58.060 We do right here.

00:13:59.240 Yeah.

00:13:59.560 I had, I had eight of them at my cabin.

00:14:02.020 So you have like eight, eight, 1,000 gallon propane tanks buried.

00:14:04.980 Imagine if that went off, it would be, there'd be nothing left of like an acre lot or five

00:14:08.800 acre lot.

00:14:09.580 I have a lot of propane tanks and I never think about it at all.

00:14:13.720 So hydrogen is way safer than propane.

00:14:15.840 In fact, I always take my matches and light them off the propane tanks.

00:14:18.940 Do you?

00:14:19.400 No, just kidding.

00:14:20.180 Jeez.

00:14:21.160 No, but no, but your point is a good one.

00:14:23.580 I mean, people who live, you know, far from anyone in rural America has a lot of propane

00:14:28.660 around.

00:14:29.560 A lot.

00:14:30.960 Anything new scares people until they realize it's not dangerous.

00:14:35.720 Hydrogen.

00:14:36.200 So it's not directly connected to the hydrogen bomb.

00:14:38.380 It's not the same as the hydrogen bomb.

00:14:40.280 No, philosophy is similar, but like a little bit different.

00:14:44.340 Just kidding.

00:14:46.180 Okay.

00:14:46.800 So you build this company.

00:14:47.980 How does it do?

00:14:49.280 It does fantastic for a long, long time.

00:14:52.340 We took this thing.

00:14:53.540 We, we developed our first prototype was called the Nicola one.

00:14:56.840 It was our very first prototype truck, semi truck.

00:15:00.560 We unveiled it in 2019.

00:15:02.340 Where'd you build it?

00:15:03.180 In Salt Lake city.

00:15:04.600 Wow.

00:15:05.040 At our facility.

00:15:06.440 Yeah.

00:15:06.660 It's really cool.

00:15:07.620 You built the truck at the facility.

00:15:08.720 We did at the facility.

00:15:09.780 We have hundreds of photos of us assembling and we was all fabricated by our teams and

00:15:13.380 people we hired to help us.

00:15:14.500 It's like, so like the frame was ours.

00:15:16.780 The suspension was, was, was designed by our team and a group and outside engineering partners,

00:15:21.740 but we own the IP on or co-owned.

00:15:24.200 It was just like, it was really cool.

00:15:25.720 So like you think about a Peter built or a Kenworth truck, right?

00:15:28.080 Yeah.

00:15:28.260 Yeah.

00:15:28.440 Yeah.

00:15:28.620 That all taken them decades to design their trucks.

00:15:31.640 We had a, an initial design of our truck that we built.

00:15:34.580 So all the frame was ours, the suspension, how the cab, everything, it was a, it was not

00:15:40.160 a pile of crap, but it was a first prototype.

00:15:42.140 It was like, it was rugged.

00:15:43.980 I mean, it didn't just take a Peter built and throw your logo.

00:15:46.620 No, no, no.

00:15:47.300 It was entirely from ground up our truck.

00:15:49.900 It was beautiful, but it was like it, you know, it wasn't ready for production.

00:15:53.080 It was a prototype and all the parts is where the world didn't know, like the whole, and

00:15:58.000 I'm going to tell you a little later about like, you know, how the short sellers came

00:16:00.460 after us and the government did.

00:16:02.580 But what they don't know is that truck was actually real and it functioned and everyone,

00:16:05.960 they sold this huge lie that this truck was fake, but it was really real.

00:16:09.420 So let's go through that.

00:16:10.180 Like the suspension was real.

00:16:11.900 The airlines, the air rides system was real.

00:16:16.940 The entire frame system was real.

00:16:18.900 The cab was real.

00:16:19.920 The power steering was real.

00:16:21.420 The batteries were real.

00:16:22.400 We had the first 800 volt battery on a, on a, on a semi truck that I knew of in the world.

00:16:27.440 And we tested it.

00:16:28.660 We tested the battery, 800 volts.

00:16:30.600 It worked.

00:16:30.920 Everything was fine.

00:16:31.880 So the, the axles were real.

00:16:33.880 The, the case was real.

00:16:34.840 We had the rotors and staters and gears.

00:16:36.440 Everything was real.

00:16:38.280 All this stuff was real in this truck.

00:16:39.900 And what's crazy is when, you know, later on we ended up doing a commercial and we're

00:16:44.740 like, oh yeah, go ahead and use it for commercial.

00:16:46.340 No problem.

00:16:46.860 You know, you see like the Chevy Camaro turning into Bumblebee on the transformers.

00:16:51.120 It's like, you don't think that GM's defrauding everyone because the Camaro becomes Bumblebee.

00:16:56.200 You're like, it's a, it's a, it's a commercial or it's a, uh, where it's a, um, um, you know,

00:17:01.640 a movie who cares is what it's used for.

00:17:03.360 I was like, yeah, go ahead and use it.

00:17:04.380 Who cares?

00:17:05.400 So they used our truck in a commercial and, uh, they rolled it down a hill.

00:17:09.300 Um, all the parts worked on it could have powered itself if we wanted to, we probably

00:17:13.240 would have taken a month's worth of work to make sure it was safe enough to maybe

00:17:16.580 two months to make sure it was safe enough to drive on all on its own.

00:17:19.600 But the truck function, it was real.

00:17:21.020 And this is the, this was the lie that destroyed my life.

00:17:26.140 This was the moment that destroyed my life because later on the short sellers sold it

00:17:32.360 to the government that this truck was fake and it never worked.

00:17:35.980 And that message was so sexy that this truck was rolling down the hill that no one cared

00:17:40.980 about the facts.

00:17:41.780 They cared about this headline.

00:17:42.940 Nikola rolls a truck down a hill.

00:17:44.800 And that's what ended up, uh, uh, that's what ended up, uh, um, you know, allowing these

00:17:49.600 people, all these evil people to destroy the company, destroy me, make hundreds of millions

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00:21:48.880 is because of the role of the short sellers.

00:21:52.700 And I think this is one of the most extraordinary things I've ever heard, ever.

00:21:56.200 And so I just want to ask you to explain it in a way that people can understand.

00:22:01.940 So you've made two references to a short seller.

00:22:03.860 What's a short seller?

00:22:04.580 So a short seller is a person or a fund that actively bets against you that your stock is going to collapse.

00:22:13.020 So unlike a regular investor that buys shares and they hope that the stock goes up,

00:22:18.960 short sellers buy shares and they force it down.

00:22:23.120 So it's like a – it should be completely illegal.

00:22:26.220 It should be –

00:22:26.540 Well, it has been for most of the last 100 years from, I think, the Depression

00:22:30.860 until right before the last financial crisis.

00:22:32.980 There was something called the uptick rule,

00:22:34.200 which prevented short sellers from selling when the stock was in decline.

00:22:38.080 I think that's correct.

00:22:39.620 I don't know.

00:22:40.220 It's been heavily regulated.

00:22:41.840 It's banned in a lot of countries.

00:22:43.300 It's so clearly immoral and bad for a country and for markets

00:22:47.220 that I don't exactly know why we have it, but we've had it since 2007.

00:22:52.520 But anyway, but you're saying that a short seller as distinct from an investor makes money on failure.

00:23:00.320 And not just failure, but forcing failure.

00:23:03.300 So an investor invests and then they hope it goes well.

00:23:06.960 They go out and they hope it goes well and they hope it does.

00:23:09.760 So you say you invest in Tesla or somebody else, whatever.

00:23:13.400 You're hoping that they come out and they deliver on their products, right?

00:23:16.220 You hope that they do good and it goes up and you make money and everybody makes money.

00:23:20.040 A short seller is different because they don't just hope it goes down.

00:23:22.380 They force it down.

00:23:23.760 And this is where it gets really crazy in the story.

00:23:26.660 This is crazy.

00:23:28.480 It's never been told before.

00:23:29.740 I've never gone through this.

00:23:30.620 Explain how a short seller, this disreputable, evil, should-be-illegal brand of anti-investment,

00:23:40.060 how they're working with the U.S. government, the DOJ.

00:23:43.200 Like, how could that be?

00:23:44.140 How does that work?

00:23:45.100 This is where the Department of Justice has just gone so far off the rails.

00:23:48.580 And it was covered up for a long time.

00:23:50.400 No one knew about it.

00:23:51.200 In my trial, this stuff got exposed.

00:23:52.900 So you can, it's actually available.

00:23:54.320 It's not like a, someone doesn't have to take my word for it, but we can, it's easily

00:23:58.700 available through the, anyone can ask for a FOIA on it.

00:24:02.700 Anyone can look at all the materials that was submitted in my trial.

00:24:05.940 What was really crazy is that the short sellers were building a fake report on me and the company

00:24:10.860 prior to us going public.

00:24:13.140 And their entire goal was, okay, the SPAC is going to go crazy.

00:24:16.340 We went public via SPAC.

00:24:17.620 It's a special acquisition company.

00:24:19.760 They knew it was going to go up.

00:24:21.500 And what they wanted to do was then force it down.

00:24:23.760 And that's where they make their money.

00:24:25.320 So what they were doing is they were working with the Department of Justice.

00:24:28.020 They were actually communicating with the Department of Justice prior to releasing the report,

00:24:32.360 which to me is mind boggling.

00:24:35.460 What is a short selling report?

00:24:37.640 Short selling report is a, is normally a salacious and false report for the most part.

00:24:42.800 So what they'll do is they'll mix in 5% truth and 95% lies to just scare the market.

00:24:47.800 It's always, some companies, look, there are some bad ones and they've, and like everything,

00:24:52.640 a short seller has gotten it right on a few companies, but majority of what they attack

00:24:57.680 is all complete bullcrap.

00:24:59.180 It's just their interpretation to make a company look bad.

00:25:01.820 But a short selling report is like a magazine piece.

00:25:03.740 It's like a hit, what we used to call a hit piece against a company.

00:25:06.660 Exactly.

00:25:06.980 Like this company is bad, fraudulent for these reasons.

00:25:10.040 Yeah.

00:25:10.540 And they do research on you.

00:25:11.800 They do.

00:25:12.240 And they do, they pay an enormous amount of money to employees.

00:25:15.160 So they get inside information that a lot of time is slanted because they promise the

00:25:18.920 employees money.

00:25:19.540 So they, wait, what?

00:25:21.760 Yeah.

00:25:22.300 So if I go to your employees and pay them for incident information on your company and

00:25:27.480 then invest in the company, I go to prison because that's called inside trading.

00:25:30.800 Yes.

00:25:31.580 But if I go and pay your employees for bad information and bet against your company, that's

00:25:37.500 legal.

00:25:38.220 It's still inside, it's still inside trading, but.

00:25:40.900 Yes, it is.

00:25:43.280 The government, but the prosecutors look the other way.

00:25:45.080 We actually presented them.

00:25:46.100 Wait, is that really real?

00:25:47.380 It's real.

00:25:47.840 So look, they actually.

00:25:49.300 Martha Stewart went to prison.

00:25:50.620 Yes.

00:25:51.020 This is the, this is why it's so, I get so angry is we presented the Department of Justice,

00:25:56.040 the evidence on, on Hindenburg's essentially insider trading.

00:26:00.120 Tell us what Hindenburg is.

00:26:01.460 Hindenburg was a short seller group that attacked us, that attacked Nikola and me, primarily

00:26:05.860 me, but Nikola.

00:26:07.120 And it's run by.

00:26:08.460 A guy named Nate Anderson, who is a, who is the head of Hindenburg research.

00:26:12.080 Uh-huh.

00:26:13.100 And his entire goal was, is to burn a company, take out an insurance policy, burn the company

00:26:18.300 to the ground, call the cops on you and then collect on the insurance policy.

00:26:21.640 So Nate Anderson, I just looked him up on the internet, never heard of him.

00:26:24.540 This is not my world, but there's like nothing on the guy at all.

00:26:28.940 He was like 39 years old, no real track record as an investor.

00:26:33.980 He was an ambulance driver in Israel for a while, not clearly graduated from college.

00:26:38.640 There's like no information on the guy.

00:26:40.620 And all of a sudden he winds up as this like major player in the American economy running

00:26:46.960 the short selling group called Hindenburg, which just disbanded pretty recently.

00:26:49.920 Just barely, just disbanded completely.

00:26:52.320 Okay.

00:26:52.760 Yeah.

00:26:53.160 Ran away.

00:26:53.960 So Nate Anderson produces a report attacking you, a hit piece on you designed to drive your

00:27:02.180 share price down because he's bet against your share price as a short seller.

00:27:06.780 Yeah.

00:27:07.380 The weird part about this, this is so crazy.

00:27:10.200 The short, the, the short sellers, you like essentially commit this, like I'm going to

00:27:15.920 try to explain this easy to the public, but this is, this will just get your blood boiling.

00:27:20.480 Without the Department of Justice involvement, the short would never work because your stock

00:27:25.820 would like, they would just come out with some report and people would be like, whatever,

00:27:28.420 this stupid, like it's not true.

00:27:29.620 The trucks are obviously real.

00:27:30.580 So it turned out that Nate Anderson was communicating directly to the Department of Justice prior

00:27:36.960 to releasing the report, which means, so what he was doing is he was telling the Department

00:27:41.220 of Justice that there was this fraud that he was going to, he was going to launch, he's

00:27:45.640 launching this investigation, he's going to launch it.

00:27:47.580 And he wanted to make sure that they had it in their hands and they were ready to look

00:27:50.320 at it the second it hit.

00:27:52.240 So what he does, he stokes the fire, gets them all angry at you, sells this big fraud,

00:27:57.820 pays for it.

00:27:58.240 Were they looking, was DOJ looking at your company before?

00:28:00.900 They were because of Nate, because what we found out was because of what Hindenburg was

00:28:05.740 doing.

00:28:05.980 So Hindenburg was feeding this.

00:28:07.880 So you, so the Southern District of New York, the federal prosecutors in New York had, as

00:28:14.180 far as you know, no intention of investigating or prosecuting you until they were approached

00:28:18.040 by a short seller?

00:28:19.000 That is our knowledge, yes.

00:28:21.340 It's fucking crazy, man.

00:28:23.000 That's the craziest thing.

00:28:23.920 That's insane.

00:28:24.640 So this, the audience doesn't know this.

00:28:26.860 The feds showed up.

00:28:27.740 Excuse me, sorry.

00:28:28.260 I'm just like, I'm shocked.

00:28:30.300 Yeah.

00:28:31.500 It gets so much worse too.

00:28:33.100 But let me just say, just to put a finer point on this, in the United States, you're

00:28:36.920 not supposed to be prosecuted so some guy can profit from your prosecution.

00:28:43.560 Is that justice?

00:28:44.460 It's, it's not our country anymore.

00:28:47.820 We've lost it.

00:28:49.240 It's, it's, look, it is so, if people, this is going to be fun today because I get to

00:28:54.920 tell you, I get to, you know, tell us the entire thing, but what no one's ever heard.

00:28:58.220 This is why I love coming on your platform because it's so, so big and we can really explain

00:29:02.260 the truth.

00:29:03.820 The FBI, so Hindenburg started investigating us and filling the FBI with all these lies.

00:29:09.020 But just to be clear, you don't believe the Department of Justice had any plans to screw

00:29:16.580 with you, investigate, indict, bring you to trial, anything, until they were approached

00:29:22.220 by this group of short sellers who was like, hey, you should look into this, to this Trevor

00:29:27.900 Milton.

00:29:28.800 From what I know, that is a hundred percent accurate.

00:29:32.700 This is unbelievable.

00:29:33.860 So Nate sent, Nate, Nate gets the Department of Justice that he originally, he goes to

00:29:39.720 the Eastern District.

00:29:40.920 That was what we hear.

00:29:42.120 He goes to the East, he lands in the Eastern District of New York's, uh, cause he wanted

00:29:45.480 New York cause New York, you can get like New York, you're done.

00:29:47.900 If you get indicted in New York, you're over.

00:29:49.820 You get indicted in Arizona, Utah, you're going to get a fair jury in New York.

00:29:53.560 It's over.

00:29:54.100 It's a guaranteed stamp, a conviction, 90 plus percent conviction rate.

00:29:57.960 And the ones that get off are low level crimes.

00:29:59.840 They don't care about.

00:30:00.460 So what happened was, is the Eastern District researched it.

00:30:05.080 They sent the feds in, in, in Arizona out to our facility.

00:30:07.980 They showed up at my chief engineer's home out of the blue.

00:30:11.340 My, I get a call from my chief engineer and, and he's like, Trevor, the FBI just showed

00:30:16.120 up at my house.

00:30:16.580 I'm like, for what?

00:30:17.900 They said the truck was fake.

00:30:19.960 And I'm like, well, the truck's not fake.

00:30:22.580 So, well, I mean, well, that's weird.

00:30:24.220 I'm like, did you take him down to the facility?

00:30:26.560 Go show it to him.

00:30:27.380 I don't care.

00:30:27.740 Have him call us, have him call our attorneys.

00:30:29.040 And they're, they asked, he's like, yeah, they questioned me for like 10 minutes.

00:30:32.200 They're like, Hey, is the truck real?

00:30:33.600 We know it's fake.

00:30:34.300 And he's like, what are you talking about?

00:30:35.420 It's real.

00:30:35.780 Of course it's real.

00:30:37.180 The truck's freaking real.

00:30:38.480 It's at the facility.

00:30:39.380 Why don't you come down?

00:30:40.240 I'll, I'll show it to you.

00:30:41.840 Feds wrapped up essentially like made, you know, scared them.

00:30:44.800 And then they went back and they're like, yeah, nothing's wrong.

00:30:47.740 The trucks are real.

00:30:48.740 So the feds originally, you know, they originally looked at it and they said, nothing's wrong.

00:30:52.720 So he didn't get the response he wanted.

00:30:54.860 They went back.

00:30:55.580 They essentially declined anything.

00:30:56.900 They're like, yeah, the company's real.

00:30:57.880 It's all like, I don't know what these guys are even saying that the company's fake.

00:31:00.740 This bullcrap.

00:31:02.460 So then he moves from the, from essentially the Eastern district to the Southern district.

00:31:05.720 Then he goes, then they go essentially to different prosecutors, people they have better

00:31:09.200 connections with her.

00:31:10.600 And next thing you know, the Southern district opens up an investigation.

00:31:13.380 So this is after the Eastern district already turned it down, looked at it and said, there's

00:31:17.920 nothing wrong.

00:31:18.600 So then the Southern district gets it and decides they want to take me down.

00:31:21.740 But this is all being shopped by a guy who's hoping to get rich from your failure.

00:31:26.720 Exactly.

00:31:28.320 Before, by the way, before we go.

00:31:30.220 Why is he not in jail?

00:31:33.160 It's the question that I think that's the question that should be answered.

00:31:38.280 I just, I.

00:31:40.400 But it gets worse.

00:31:41.480 It gets worse.

00:31:42.080 I just didn't know.

00:31:43.080 I'm sorry to keep repeating myself.

00:31:44.140 I just didn't know that this happened.

00:31:46.740 Yeah.

00:31:48.480 And it gets even worse because of what he does and how involved he is in making sure that

00:31:53.880 the Southern district creates an indictment.

00:31:55.660 So his report is worthless without an indictment or an investigation by the Southern district.

00:32:01.740 So then what happens is, is that he, he creates, you know, he creates this big report and he

00:32:07.500 shares it with the government and then he launches his, his report, his short.

00:32:12.000 So he takes out a huge position that your stock's going to collapse.

00:32:15.920 And from according to the court, we have some information, how much money he made.

00:32:20.200 We don't have it all.

00:32:20.800 We're going to get it through the, there's a big lawsuit going on right now and we'll find

00:32:23.380 it all out.

00:32:24.140 But we know that he made somewhere between 30 and a hundred million dollars off of this

00:32:27.660 short.

00:32:29.320 Nate Anderson did.

00:32:30.460 Hindenburg.

00:32:31.460 Nate Anderson.

00:32:33.160 That's what we know.

00:32:34.080 It was, we know he's somewhere between 30 and a hundred million is what he made on this

00:32:38.000 short from, from creating this fake report, getting the department of justice involved.

00:32:43.740 And then when he launched it, what happens is then the next, literally that day or the

00:32:48.040 next day or whatever it was within a, within 48 hours, the department of justice sends

00:32:52.320 all their subpoenas to everybody, like our entire company, us, our attorneys, me, everyone

00:32:57.120 like scaring the shit out of everybody.

00:32:59.120 And as a publicly traded company, you have to disclose it.

00:33:01.620 So what happens when you disclose it, a federal, an investigation by the department of

00:33:05.960 justice, your stock does what?

00:33:08.800 And Nate Anderson and Hindenburg get rich.

00:33:10.860 It's a guaranteed, absolute guaranteed profit because without the department of justice,

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00:36:31.740 Did you know that this could happen?

00:36:33.560 No, I didn't even know it was happening, dude.

00:36:36.360 I didn't know until way, way, way late.

00:36:38.900 Like, almost probably two or three years later who was all involved in it.

00:36:43.440 Like, it took the subpoena power and everything else of when I got indicted to finally get in there and find all this out.

00:36:51.880 And by then, it was like too late to do anything about it.

00:36:54.700 The company's gone.

00:36:55.840 The company now is destroyed.

00:36:58.520 And the Department of Justice at fault.

00:36:59.740 $34 billion destroyed by the Department of Justice.

00:37:03.980 So, Nate Anderson could make $100 million.

00:37:07.180 And the other people he's involved with made who knows how much money.

00:37:10.120 So, there's funds in Canada that were involved in this.

00:37:13.080 And we still don't know who they all were.

00:37:14.980 That made massive.

00:37:15.940 So, what he did is he went out and told them to.

00:37:18.300 So, the insider trading was prolific.

00:37:20.520 Like, you're not allowed to go tell people something that you have insider knowledge on and get them to trade on it.

00:37:25.960 He did this.

00:37:26.560 So, this is why he shut his entire, this is why I believe, this is why I believe, this is why I believe he shut his entire firm down and ran.

00:37:33.340 Where is he now?

00:37:34.100 No idea.

00:37:35.280 I mean, he's obviously, we're in the middle of a lawsuit, but like, no idea.

00:37:37.600 So, short sellers, as far as I know, don't have to disclose or he does not specifically have to disclose who his investors are.

00:37:43.980 So, there's a syndicate, presumably, because that's typically the way, I don't know this, but I'm just guessing that there's a syndicate behind him.

00:37:51.860 He has investors.

00:37:52.880 Yep.

00:37:53.240 Correct?

00:37:53.860 Yep.

00:37:54.060 And they're all profiting from this with insider information, and you know for a fact they paid members of your staff.

00:38:03.900 So, the government's chief witness was a guy who made $600,000 on the short, paid by Hindenburg, by the way, paid by Nate Anderson.

00:38:14.580 So, the government's chief witness in my trial, my federal trial, was on the stand, made $600,000 by making sure I got convicted, and is set to make millions off of the so-called fraudulent whistleblower group.

00:38:30.500 This is the government's chief witness.

00:38:31.780 I mean, imagine, like, the guy on the stand.

00:38:33.260 Who was he?

00:38:33.700 This guy named Paul Lackey.

00:38:35.240 But what was his role?

00:38:36.220 Did he work for him?

00:38:36.520 And it's public because it was in the trial.

00:38:37.740 That's why I could say it.

00:38:38.040 Did he work for the company?

00:38:39.040 No, he had been to our facility one time in his life.

00:38:41.040 He worked on the batteries.

00:38:42.280 He was an outside guy.

00:38:43.100 He worked on the batteries.

00:38:44.580 He had been to our facility one time in his life, and he was the government's chief witness.

00:38:47.560 And he was paid by Hindenburg?

00:38:49.100 $600,000 by Hindenburg.

00:38:51.700 He's admitted that on the stand.

00:38:54.540 And he stood to make millions in the whistleblower groups.

00:38:57.880 Who knows how much money he made from the fake fraudulent whistleblower group.

00:39:01.380 I'm going to say this one more time.

00:39:02.600 Are you positive that Hindenburg paid your employees for information about your company?

00:39:07.620 They paid contractors and other people for it, yes, that were inside of our company that had come in.

00:39:12.740 Yes, 100% for sure.

00:39:14.960 And they used that information to trade.

00:39:16.940 Yes.

00:39:17.300 Like, if someone wants to see, go look at the trial transcript.

00:39:20.200 It's public.

00:39:21.460 If you want to go see, go search for Paul Lackey.

00:39:23.380 And he admits he made $600,000 from Hindenburg.

00:39:26.300 Hindenburg paid him $600,000, a portion of how much he would make if he agreed to come in and create a story.

00:39:36.100 And they did this.

00:39:37.100 And they did it to other people.

00:39:38.300 There was other people that he promised money to, too.

00:39:40.400 There's probably a half a dozen people that, I don't know the exact number.

00:39:43.980 We're going to find out in the lawsuit.

00:39:45.580 But there was somewhere around a half a dozen people that Nate Anderson paid for information and gave him a portion of all the profits.

00:39:52.800 And these are the guys that are part of this fake whistleblower group and that were part of testifying against me at trial.

00:39:58.800 So justice in the United States and all civilized countries is administered by the state on behalf of the population, the whole population.

00:40:06.720 So when the state indicts somebody, the state makes the claim that indicting this person, convicting and imprisoning this person, protects the public.

00:40:13.520 That's the point, right?

00:40:14.620 That's the point of justice.

00:40:15.720 It's to protect the society.

00:40:17.920 The idea that a private investor could be driving a prosecution in order to benefit from it makes a mockery of the idea of justice.

00:40:29.900 It's not on behalf of the public or protecting the public.

00:40:32.060 It's on behalf of a commercial interest to try to put you in prison in order to help someone get rich.

00:40:38.580 If Pam Bondi looked into this right now, Nate would probably be in prison for 30 years.

00:40:44.340 This is how corrupt, and not just him, there's other short sellers.

00:40:46.840 And it scares me because, like, my life—

00:40:48.400 Lachman was a big short seller.

00:40:49.580 I mean, there are a bunch of short—there are a lot of prominent people who've done a lot of short sales and gone on television to talk down share prices in order to benefit from the decline in share prices.

00:40:59.640 And I don't understand why none of those people is ever prosecuted.

00:41:04.060 And now I'm starting to understand that the system seems captive to those people.

00:41:08.640 So you didn't—as you just said, you didn't know why this was happening for a couple of years.

00:41:16.540 In those couple of years, what did the government do to you?

00:41:19.620 Oh, my gosh, man.

00:41:20.600 So the government—it's really interesting.

00:41:24.740 The government has—what Americans don't know is the government has a playbook, and it's been developed by the CIA and other entities inside the government, and it's passed down into the Department of Justice.

00:41:33.320 They have a very clear playbook of how to guarantee a conviction and destroy someone's life and break them.

00:41:38.640 So it's like the profilers, but psychological profiling.

00:41:43.680 And what they do is they figure out how to do it, and they have a very clear playbook, and it's taught and very disseminated within these groups how to do it.

00:41:51.620 The first thing you do is you separate the person from all their friends and colleagues.

00:41:55.340 And that's the number one thing you have to do.

00:41:56.480 You have to separate them.

00:41:57.280 You have to turn everybody against each other.

00:41:59.200 Yes.

00:41:59.540 That's number one.

00:42:00.480 So psychological warfare.

00:42:01.660 So they come in and they threaten everybody differently individually.

00:42:04.620 They separate them.

00:42:05.440 They don't care about the truth.

00:42:06.100 They do not give a crap about the truth.

00:42:08.720 We actually showed them the truth about major things that they were going after me for, and once they realized that they were wrong, they just pivoted to something else that didn't matter to indict me on.

00:42:17.200 So I want to stop at this psychological warfare real quick, and I want to tell everyone in the audience right now.

00:42:24.080 In my indictment, there was never not one time they could not find not $1 missing ever, not $1 misappropriated ever, not one filing incorrect ever.

00:42:38.980 There was no crime.

00:42:40.720 There was no fraud.

00:42:42.000 There was no, there was nothing.

00:42:43.660 What did they hate me for?

00:42:45.020 They came after me and died to me specifically because of my tweets, my speech, how I explained the business plan.

00:42:50.480 We were a pre-revenue company going public pre-revenue.

00:42:54.060 All of our filings disclosed that, that we were four years, two to four years out on revenue.

00:42:59.360 And so I would speak about this business plan in present tense because why?

00:43:02.440 Because all of our filings, which is what the government requires you to do, explain that we are two to four years out.

00:43:07.540 So I was like, hey, this is how we're doing this.

00:43:09.760 Okay, well, I didn't realize that when you say this is how we're doing it, that somehow they could indict you because like, oh, well, you haven't done it yet.

00:43:15.680 Well, yeah, but this is the process of what we're doing.

00:43:17.620 Like I've explained that and they didn't care.

00:43:19.360 They just indict you on it.

00:43:20.160 They cut your words out.

00:43:21.440 So it's speech.

00:43:22.060 I want America to know why.

00:43:23.860 This is important because I've had a lot of people ask me like, you know, Trevor, why did the government indict you?

00:43:29.620 And, you know, why did these guys take you down?

00:43:31.200 And later I'll get into that.

00:43:32.360 But the answer is the speech is what they indicted me for.

00:43:36.200 The answer is even more scary.

00:43:38.340 And we'll go into that later.

00:43:40.600 It's the ability to prosecute speech is what the Biden administration wanted was the ability to prosecute free speech.

00:43:47.680 So I was the poster board for prosecuting free speech.

00:43:51.000 But we're going to, I'll get into that later and we'll actually really hit it hard.

00:43:54.540 But the, the, what they do is they, they psychologically, what they do is they come in, they threaten everyone individually and they split you up.

00:44:02.260 And so what they did is they scared everybody.

00:44:04.300 They threatened, they actually told my, we have an email from where they called Kirkland, which was the attorney group.

00:44:10.300 Kirkland and Ellis, the law firm.

00:44:11.900 The prosecutors call Kirkland and Kirkland called the company because they want to keep these communications from ever getting private.

00:44:18.040 This is how they do it.

00:44:18.720 It's like a big sham.

00:44:19.380 It's called, you know, privileged communications.

00:44:22.940 Normally it's good when you seek advice from your attorney, but the government uses it to circumvent the ability of disclosure.

00:44:28.900 So what they did is they called Kirkland.

00:44:30.300 Kirkland called the company and said, we need two people, two executives to testify against Trevor or they're going to get indicted.

00:44:35.200 So what they do is they just say, executives, we're going to indict you too.

00:44:41.160 If you don't turn, if you don't just don't do whatever we say, they don't care about the truth.

00:44:44.660 They just, they're just saying, this is what we're going to want and demand and you're going to do it.

00:44:47.580 So who showed up?

00:44:49.060 The two executives to testify against me.

00:44:51.880 And this was like, this is the crazy part.

00:44:53.880 And by the way, I like, so that's, that's step one.

00:44:57.040 Divide, divide everybody.

00:44:59.060 Turn them against each other.

00:45:00.000 Do you believe, if I could ask you to pause, do you believe the Department of Justice had an inappropriate relationship with Kirkland and Ellis?

00:45:06.580 Personally, I do, but it's, it's extremely inappropriate.

00:45:10.820 But I think that they are very good at what they do and cover up their tracks.

00:45:16.960 It's very, be very hard to.

00:45:17.960 You felt that Kirkland and Ellis was not straight, straightforward.

00:45:21.740 Well, no, we found communications between Kirkland and Ellis and ICLA where they actually laid out nine steps on how to frame me.

00:45:28.320 And this came from the Department of Justice because it was my exact, it was my exact indictment.

00:45:33.020 So we know that the department, the prosecutors had to have been talking to Kirkland and Ellis because they gave them literally the blueprint on what their indictment was going to be.

00:45:41.420 And these idiots put it in writing.

00:45:42.960 Some, some intern was actually writing it down.

00:45:45.740 There was nine steps on how they were going to frame me step by step.

00:45:48.840 They actually said, we're going to make up stories about Trevor.

00:45:50.980 And this is what we need to say.

00:45:52.100 Were you being represented by that firm?

00:45:53.740 I was at first.

00:45:54.820 Yeah.

00:45:55.580 And then later I wasn't.

00:45:57.120 So there's some really bad misconduct there that is like, but ultimately like there's.

00:46:03.020 The hard part is, is they, it's almost impossible to, to get into privileged communications and sue people on privileged.

00:46:08.660 It's really, really difficult.

00:46:09.820 It's not, not much you can do about it.

00:46:11.260 How much did you pay Kirkland?

00:46:12.780 The company paid Kirkland over a hundred million dollars.

00:46:16.580 Okay.

00:46:17.840 So I'm just trying to figure out who wins in this.

00:46:20.200 So, so shareholders lost tens of billions of dollars.

00:46:24.580 Your life was destroyed.

00:46:26.460 You were convicted of a felony.

00:46:28.780 And so the short seller won and the law firm won.

00:46:32.400 Law firm.

00:46:32.860 So my, my legal fees were over 80 million.

00:46:36.280 Personally?

00:46:36.880 Personally.

00:46:37.920 And currently.

00:46:38.500 80 million?

00:46:39.080 80 million.

00:46:39.960 And you know why?

00:46:40.680 It was because the, remember how I talked about psychological warfare?

00:46:43.300 The next thing the government does is say, you're going to turn them into an enemy combative and you're not going to share anything.

00:46:47.740 So then what happened is I was not privy to any of my communicate, any communications inside the company.

00:46:52.860 I couldn't interview a single employee.

00:46:55.480 I couldn't interview anyone in the company.

00:46:57.040 I couldn't get documents from the company.

00:46:58.660 They were obligated to turn me over for my company.

00:47:01.080 Because I, I left at this time.

00:47:03.320 And they, they were obligated to turn this over contractually, but they just said, what are you going to do?

00:47:07.500 Sue us?

00:47:07.940 Go ahead.

00:47:08.380 It'll take you two years.

00:47:10.080 Kirkland said that to you.

00:47:10.940 Well, that was, yes.

00:47:11.920 And, and, and essentially Nikola, but through Kirkland said, we're not sharing anything.

00:47:15.960 Piss off.

00:47:16.340 So then I was, then they, they got Kirkland to essentially turn the company against me.

00:47:21.660 Wait, can I, just to be clear on the fees here, because the fees are really substantial.

00:47:27.260 And so they're, they're an incentive, clearly.

00:47:31.660 So you paid Kirkland $80 million?

00:47:34.320 I didn't pay Kirkland.

00:47:34.940 I paid my attorneys, separate attorneys, $80 million.

00:47:37.880 Okay.

00:47:38.460 And Kirkland made $100 million.

00:47:40.900 The company paid Kirkland around, over $100 million.

00:47:43.300 $100 million.

00:47:44.560 So this is what they did, is what the law firms do.

00:47:47.320 They, they, Kirkland, think about it.

00:47:49.220 If Kirkland went into the Department of Justice and defended us and actually got this thing squashed, they might make $5 million.

00:47:54.840 But if they create an indictment, now they create controversy.

00:47:58.620 They get a bill at $2,000 to $3,000 an hour.

00:48:00.820 They destroy the company.

00:48:02.300 They create more problems.

00:48:03.460 They defend every one of those fires.

00:48:04.960 They create shareholder lawsuits.

00:48:06.700 They defend those two.

00:48:07.740 And then they defend the company against, a company with the Department of Justice through the indictment.

00:48:13.160 So if they create chaos, they make $100 million.

00:48:16.060 If they, if they, if they prove innocence, they make five.

00:48:20.240 Do you see it now?

00:48:21.140 I do see it.

00:48:23.060 America?

00:48:23.740 I'm not even a math guy, Trevor, and I see it.

00:48:27.140 Yeah.

00:48:27.440 Yeah, yeah, that's literally what happened.

00:48:30.620 Over $100 million, is what I've, what I've heard.

00:48:33.100 And through the lawsuits, what I've heard through the discovery, around over $100 million to, to, to Kirkland and their, and their attorneys.

00:48:41.220 I've known a lot of Kirkland attorneys.

00:48:43.340 Some nice ones, but most, mostly just greasy, disgusting people.

00:48:48.300 Honestly.

00:48:48.740 I can tell you that they're, that law firms in New York are, are, are, their single goal is to represent chaos because chaos creates immense wealth.

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00:52:51.980 Like, I didn't realize how deep this was.

00:52:53.580 Dude, look, I came from a farm town, man.

00:52:55.440 I grew up in a small town called Kanab, Utah.

00:52:58.280 Okay?

00:52:59.180 My mom was dying when I was eight years old of cancer.

00:53:02.920 We lived in Vegas.

00:53:03.940 My dad's like, I got to get out of here.

00:53:05.240 We got to.

00:53:05.580 My mom's like, I don't want to die in a city.

00:53:07.480 Just don't.

00:53:08.380 I want to get out of here.

00:53:09.360 So we moved to a small town called Kanab, Utah.

00:53:12.360 One of the best things for me.

00:53:13.500 It was really tough.

00:53:14.440 But I moved to a small town in Kanab.

00:53:17.880 We were extremely poor.

00:53:20.720 My dad or my mom, my essentially my mom was dying.

00:53:23.420 Our insurance company dropped us, refused to pay any of her medical bills.

00:53:27.040 My dad sold everything he owned in his life to pay for her medical bills.

00:53:31.480 And, and then try to try to figure out a way for her to have some sense of like happiness

00:53:37.200 as she died.

00:53:38.300 So we're in the small town in Kanab.

00:53:40.000 I'm taking care of my mom.

00:53:41.580 My dad's working in Las Vegas, three to four hours away, trying to find work.

00:53:46.600 And we are broke beyond measure.

00:53:49.380 Like no food.

00:53:51.580 Sometimes I had no money, nothing.

00:53:54.040 Like I had to go out and work.

00:53:55.180 I was working in the morning.

00:53:56.360 I was delivering papers.

00:53:57.440 I was, you know, go over to milk cows with some of my neighbors.

00:54:00.520 I did whatever I could to, to, to make a few bucks mowing lawns after school, whatever

00:54:04.480 I could.

00:54:05.000 I was also in wrestling.

00:54:06.620 And so I'd have to get up early and go to wrestling practice.

00:54:08.800 And, and sometimes I'd go to practice, you know, and I wasn't very good.

00:54:12.460 I just wasn't good.

00:54:13.240 It was interesting because through Hindenburg and all the media there, they use this guy

00:54:18.700 in locally in Kanab about me.

00:54:20.420 They were like, oh, what do you think about Trevor?

00:54:22.480 That he's like, oh, he's a loser.

00:54:23.500 He lost every wrestling match he did.

00:54:25.000 And he's like, he's a total loser.

00:54:27.120 And it was really interesting.

00:54:28.160 Wait, can I just ask you, so Hindenburg went and interviewed your childhood friends?

00:54:32.640 The, they sent media to do it because they, they got media to, Hindenburg works with massive

00:54:37.740 media groups.

00:54:38.320 One of them was, one of them was, was Bloomberg.

00:54:40.680 The other one was CNBC.

00:54:42.580 Hindenburg works with Bloomberg and CNBC?

00:54:44.840 Yeah.

00:54:45.160 They're tied.

00:54:45.880 I mean, tied together, almost tied completely together.

00:54:49.480 What?

00:54:50.000 Yeah.

00:54:50.980 So the short seller uses, like has a formal relationship with the media?

00:54:54.880 Oh, monster relationship.

00:54:56.160 This is how they, this is how they get the short.

00:54:57.760 They guarantee the collapse of a company.

00:54:59.520 And this is, dude, it's deep, fucking deep.

00:55:01.960 How can a short seller use the media to destroy a company and then profit from it?

00:55:06.840 They're best friends.

00:55:07.480 Do they, they all, I, where the, what happens and how they get like, I can't tell you the

00:55:11.700 relationship of how, of what happens behind the doors with these guys.

00:55:15.120 All we know is there was an enormous amount of communication between Hindenburg, a guy

00:55:19.380 named Bloomberg, Ben Foley, other guys, and also CNBC where they created a, a, a salacious

00:55:26.560 TV episode to hit during my jury deliberations.

00:55:29.320 We'll talk about that later.

00:55:30.820 Actually.

00:55:31.340 Yeah.

00:55:32.260 We have a massive billion dollar lawsuit against CNBC and Hindenburg for this.

00:55:36.100 That just got the judge.

00:55:37.560 We just cleared the motion to dismiss.

00:55:39.640 And the judge is like, I can't, wow.

00:55:42.620 It's this deep.

00:55:43.540 It goes so deep, dude.

00:55:44.680 These guys are like straight up.

00:55:46.360 It may, it reminds me of a government entity, how deep the layers go.

00:55:49.920 Like these guys were, had so much control with so many groups and they were working directly

00:55:55.640 with the media.

00:55:59.060 Man.

00:55:59.620 Man, the story is, it's so much bigger than just you.

00:56:06.760 Yeah.

00:56:07.240 And your family.

00:56:08.260 Like this just says so much about how our financial system works in tandem with our justice system

00:56:13.840 and our media establishment to make a few people rich while destroying so much like the country

00:56:19.160 itself.

00:56:19.620 It's, it's really difficult.

00:56:22.400 Cause the, the, the, the audience has only heard, oh, Nicola rolled a truck down the hill.

00:56:26.300 They don't know the truth.

00:56:27.000 The truck was actually a real function.

00:56:28.280 No problem.

00:56:28.920 We just didn't turn it on for that scene.

00:56:30.980 And you could have easily, but here's the thing.

00:56:34.940 What's important to know is like why I did certain things.

00:56:37.800 This is what is important.

00:56:38.920 So as going back to cab, you know, so I mean like the, the media went and interviewed in conjunction

00:56:43.760 with the short seller groups when interviewed this guy and he's like, oh, Trevor's a loser.

00:56:47.620 He lost every wrestling match.

00:56:50.020 And it was interesting because later on someone was like, you know, and this kid, this kid

00:56:54.120 was like, oh yeah, he's a loser.

00:56:55.220 He lost.

00:56:55.780 This is why he, he probably stole from everyone.

00:56:57.920 This is why he got indicted.

00:56:59.140 Like tied it to my wrestling matches.

00:57:00.900 Right.

00:57:01.260 Okay, cool.

00:57:02.040 Your high school wrestling, high school wrestling match.

00:57:04.240 And so they went pretty deep on you, huh?

00:57:06.700 Deep, deep.

00:57:07.440 It was just fine.

00:57:08.200 They're interviewing your ninth grade classmates.

00:57:10.700 Actually earlier than that, it was like the seventh, it was like seventh and eighth grade.

00:57:13.880 So by the way, I'm like, uh, this is, this is kind of interesting because like, there's

00:57:19.100 one of the only areas that the short sellers got it right.

00:57:21.360 I mean, I'm, it's kind of sad to say, but the answer is I did lose all my wrestling matches.

00:57:27.320 I'm sorry.

00:57:28.000 I lost every one.

00:57:29.200 Um, but they don't know the reason why, you know, it'd be, sometimes it'd be two days

00:57:34.300 that I hadn't eaten.

00:57:35.640 Uh, you know, I was so I, we had no money.

00:57:37.440 We were broke.

00:57:38.040 We lost everything.

00:57:38.820 My dad sold his welder to pay for his money to get to Vegas, to go work.

00:57:42.260 I had no money and it would be two days, sometimes three days.

00:57:45.480 I wouldn't, I wouldn't eat.

00:57:47.040 And I would maybe grab like a handful of cereal from a neighbor.

00:57:50.140 And like, that was my food.

00:57:51.320 And like, and it was just a tough time.

00:57:52.640 It wasn't like that for all of our life.

00:57:53.860 It was just that time for a few years, really bad.

00:57:56.660 And, uh, we lost everything.

00:57:57.940 And like, I would go to wrestling matches and get my ass kicked.

00:58:00.300 I mean, just bad, just get beat.

00:58:01.660 And, but I didn't even have enough energy to even stand up.

00:58:04.600 And so like, I was like, yeah, I like some friends asked me, like, is it true, Trevor?

00:58:08.320 Cause you're a fighter.

00:58:08.940 I can't believe you're losing wrestling.

00:58:10.440 Cause I'm a pretty scrappy guy.

00:58:12.800 And, uh, and I'm like, no, it's true.

00:58:15.060 I lost every one.

00:58:16.820 And they're like, really?

00:58:17.660 And I'm like, yeah, but I hadn't eaten for two days, dude.

00:58:20.840 My, I was skin and bone.

00:58:22.060 I had nothing on me.

00:58:22.700 I was so exhausted, tired.

00:58:23.900 My mom was dying.

00:58:25.020 I wasn't mentally there.

00:58:26.540 And I was like, yeah, I lost it.

00:58:27.500 They use it.

00:58:27.880 Like what they do is they take these huge things.

00:58:29.560 And then they, they roll it into like this whole entire short sale report about how you're

00:58:33.400 this big fraud.

00:58:34.780 And, um, and, and it, that story is important because like my family means more to me than

00:58:39.100 anything in life.

00:58:39.940 It just makes you not want to have a publicly traded company.

00:58:44.920 There, there, I, I love the public system.

00:58:48.080 I hate the corruption that the government allows to exist around it.

00:58:51.980 Um, it, it, it allows people to actually be equal to other people.

00:58:57.060 Like think about it, it allows an entrepreneur to go from zero to, you know, to creating incredible

00:59:01.420 wealth for their employees.

00:59:03.020 The problem is, is the government real, the government figures out a way to destroy so

00:59:07.120 many good people and profit the big people that are their friends, like the big banks

00:59:10.360 and, and other people that are like making a billion off of every one they touch.

00:59:13.980 And then the law firms making a hundred million dollars by encouraging chaos.

00:59:17.340 Each one.

00:59:17.820 Yeah.

00:59:18.740 So it's important to know why I do things like, you know, everyone, one of the big

00:59:21.920 lies that was set out was like, Oh, Trevor, Trevor left the company because he was, uh,

00:59:25.500 you know, because you know, when, when Hindenburg hit, I decided to step away from the company.

00:59:30.180 Um, what the public doesn't know is they see the headlines, the media, the lies, but they

00:59:34.620 don't know the truth.

00:59:35.840 You know, why, why did I step away?

00:59:37.660 What was the reason for that?

00:59:39.160 Um, my, uh, I had told the board, uh, uh, prior to when, when we went public, I told the

00:59:44.280 board I was going to retire in December.

00:59:45.460 So just a few months later, I was like, look guys, I've taken this company as far as I

00:59:49.160 can.

00:59:49.400 It's up to you guys to take it the rest of the way.

00:59:51.100 And my wife is incredibly sick.

00:59:52.760 She was, uh, and this, this interview is amazing because of the documentary comes out

00:59:56.760 today.

00:59:57.100 Finally, I've been working on this for almost a year.

00:59:59.900 The documentary about Nicola and myself comes out is just, is now live and everyone can

01:00:05.080 see it on YouTube.

01:00:05.760 It just launched.

01:00:06.880 So the handle is Trevor Milton, but the title of the documentary is a conviction or conspiracy

01:00:11.220 conspiracy and he's made to provoke the thought processes.

01:00:14.100 This guy, was it a gigantic conspiracy or was it a true conviction?

01:00:18.280 And part of the documentary is not favorable to me.

01:00:20.340 I mean, come bash it.

01:00:21.080 It kind of, you know, you got to show both sides.

01:00:22.540 It's pretty, pretty fair.

01:00:24.600 And we wanted to make sure it was fair, but we also want to make sure the truth was out

01:00:27.600 there.

01:00:27.860 And, and so I had told the board, I said, look, I'm going to, um, I'm going to step

01:00:32.240 aside.

01:00:33.260 And, um, and your wife was sick.

01:00:34.700 My wife was actually dying at the time.

01:00:36.200 I thought she wasn't going to make it.

01:00:37.320 She was, uh, uh, a doctor had put the wrong person's blood plasma into my wife during a

01:00:42.280 procedure.

01:00:42.820 Oh gosh.

01:00:43.560 Yeah.

01:00:45.060 She developed all kinds of diseases and I don't like to go over them publicly cause it's

01:00:48.540 not fair to her, but like she developed a lot of diseases from what happened there and

01:00:53.660 also autoimmune diseases.

01:00:54.900 She developed, um, diabetes instantly.

01:00:57.380 She went from a very healthy woman to a type one and type one, one and a half diabetic to

01:01:03.020 no longer being able to have children.

01:01:04.820 Um, oh God, it was the worst thing you can.

01:01:07.320 Imagine.

01:01:07.880 And so I, she had been, she, she had taken a, uh, a vac and she went to, we went to the

01:01:13.260 emergency room.

01:01:13.840 They gave her a, um, they gave her like a, um, some type of vaccine that was a, that was

01:01:18.440 there for, they thought that maybe she got, they wanted to make sure it was like, I don't

01:01:22.660 know, I'm not a doctor, but they required it when we went to the ER and that put her

01:01:26.340 into seizures.

01:01:26.920 It just, it almost killed her.

01:01:28.540 It was off.

01:01:29.020 It was like the most, so my wife was literally dying on her death, but couldn't get out of

01:01:32.740 her bed.

01:01:33.040 I was like, I was like bathing her.

01:01:34.600 I, I, she couldn't get out of bed, couldn't walk and all, and then all of a sudden Hindenburg

01:01:38.860 hits and I'm like, I can't stay here and fight all this.

01:01:42.320 When I got my company, they all promised me everything would be fine, that they would

01:01:45.620 fight the government and they would expose the truth and work with me.

01:01:49.040 And they got me to sign these papers, these lying scumbags.

01:01:53.200 And I, they used my wife's death, like, or like on a verge of death in order to get me

01:01:57.500 to sign papers because they wanted power and greed and control.

01:02:01.320 Who's they?

01:02:01.820 The law firm?

01:02:02.620 The, the executives in the law firm.

01:02:04.480 Yeah.

01:02:04.880 The law firm wanted it because they knew they couldn't control me, but they could control

01:02:07.860 the other people because they were idiots.

01:02:10.020 So they controlled them like little puppets, but they would never, they would have never

01:02:12.900 gotten away with that with me.

01:02:13.920 I would never allow it.

01:02:15.700 So I decided to go help my wife.

01:02:17.820 And then what does Hindenburg do?

01:02:19.460 They go out and they're celebrating the, like, see Trevor's, he's a criminal.

01:02:22.260 He's a liar.

01:02:22.860 He, he, he, he got thrown out of his company.

01:02:24.780 He resigned because of the disgrace Hindenburg's true.

01:02:27.100 And that's where, you know, so Hindenburg used the department of justice, the media

01:02:30.880 and, and my, my, my wife, my wife's sick illness to, in order to make sure that they

01:02:37.300 profited 30 to a hundred million dollars or whatever it was.

01:02:40.560 Did you ever meet anyone from Hindenburg?

01:02:41.980 No.

01:02:43.320 I saw him at, I saw him at trial.

01:02:44.700 He came to my trial to rub it in my face.

01:02:46.140 Like he had just sat in the, he'd sit in the.

01:02:47.500 Nate Anderson did?

01:02:48.360 Yeah.

01:02:48.460 They would like, they, they, there was times when he came through the, came through the

01:02:52.180 trial.

01:02:52.400 I think it was just intimidation is what I believe.

01:02:55.760 But he never called you?

01:02:56.740 You had no content.

01:02:57.920 No, never, no, never even wanted to know the truth.

01:03:00.840 Never wanted to have any comment on anything.

01:03:02.820 He used people.

01:03:03.700 Like one thing they did is they used a, they used like, they would use recordings from people

01:03:08.620 and then like, and delete half them.

01:03:11.180 So Bloomberg did a, Bloomberg did a, an interview with me and they were like, he asked me, he's

01:03:19.060 like, oh, was the truck, they're trying to get me and catch me in like some kind of lie

01:03:22.220 or fraud.

01:03:22.920 They're like, oh, was the truck real?

01:03:24.260 Did it, or, or did you guys just, you know, push it down?

01:03:26.580 You know, did you guys push it down the hill or it wasn't under its own power?

01:03:28.840 And I said, I said, no, the truck was real, but we didn't use its own power.

01:03:31.720 We just used it in a commercial and we, we let it roll down the hill for a cinematic

01:03:34.800 effect.

01:03:35.340 And, and, and I told the truth, right?

01:03:37.820 So what does it, what does Bloomberg do?

01:03:39.040 They come out with an article and they cut out my answer.

01:03:41.120 And the headline is, is that Trevor rolled the truck down the hill, but they cut my answer

01:03:45.540 out.

01:03:46.160 So in the criminal trial, we got the judge to actually, one thing the judge did fair to

01:03:50.040 me, one of the very few things was he actually forced Bloomberg to turn over the entire, the

01:03:55.880 entire recording.

01:03:57.500 And sure enough, there, it was me explaining that like, oh no, we never, we never, you know,

01:04:01.640 the truck wasn't under its own power.

01:04:02.920 It was, it was, you know, we rolled it down the hill for cinematic effects and dah, dah,

01:04:06.080 dah, dah.

01:04:06.300 And so literally Bloomberg deleted everything that showed I was innocent and hid it from

01:04:11.040 the department of justice.

01:04:12.260 And Bloomberg was working with the short seller.

01:04:14.200 With, with, with Nate Anderson.

01:04:16.400 Do you think Bloomberg or CNBC took money from Nate Anderson?

01:04:19.680 I don't know.

01:04:21.160 Don't know.

01:04:21.800 Um, I, I, I, if, I don't think the company would be, who knows?

01:04:26.180 I don't know.

01:04:26.560 I don't know.

01:04:26.920 I do know that they're very close.

01:04:28.500 They're like best friends and Nate and some of these guys at Bloomberg and they work on

01:04:32.780 every one of his projects.

01:04:34.020 They literally, every one of the short sales, they.

01:04:36.300 You see the same guys disclosing, like launching massive attacks against people.

01:04:40.580 So it's a coordinated effect.

01:04:42.100 That is crazy.

01:04:43.960 Yeah.

01:04:44.420 That Bloomberg allows that.

01:04:46.040 Unbelievable.

01:04:47.720 We're actually suing, we're suing to CNBC right now because of the fact that, and, and,

01:04:51.940 and Nate Anderson, but not the hard part with Bloomberg is, is there's nothing I can, I can't

01:04:55.700 sue him for deleting part of the recording and withholding it.

01:04:58.360 There's no crime for lying about someone, unfortunately.

01:05:02.040 Like it has to be a slander and it has to be like premeditated and it has to be slander.

01:05:05.800 Like you have to prove that they knew it was a lie.

01:05:08.700 It was, it was, we have it with CNBC easy, but we don't have it with, with, with, with

01:05:13.460 Bloomberg.

01:05:13.860 It's just, they just did really awful discussing stuff.

01:05:16.060 Well, the fact that media organizations, business networks are working with short sellers

01:05:20.200 who profit from attacking people is just, I mean, so prima facie corrupt that you don't,

01:05:28.880 you don't need to make a case beyond that.

01:05:30.320 Just that fact alone is disgraceful.

01:05:32.700 Yeah.

01:05:33.600 Um, and I didn't know it as low an opinion as I have the U S media having spent a lifetime

01:05:37.600 in it.

01:05:38.560 You're still, you're still shocking me.

01:05:41.520 My opinion's even lower.

01:05:43.500 Uh, they are criminals.

01:05:44.520 Um, okay.

01:05:45.640 So back to the playbook, um, the, the U S government in conjunction with the media and

01:05:52.100 the short sellers ran on you.

01:05:53.440 The first part of that you said was to separate you from everyone you knew and loved and trusted.

01:05:59.480 And they did that.

01:06:00.480 Yeah.

01:06:00.580 And then they threatened, uh, the other guys.

01:06:02.400 Um, and then what they do from there is they get the company to, this is the third step

01:06:07.580 is, is what they do is they, what they call control the environment, control the environment

01:06:11.420 is where they, where they come in and they, they sanitize and filter every interview.

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01:07:05.380 So I, these employees came to me afterwards and told me about this.

01:07:07.940 This is now after my trial, this is how I knew.

01:07:09.920 So they threatened the employees.

01:07:11.060 They said, you can't talk to Trevor.

01:07:12.060 You'll get arrested, which is a lie.

01:07:13.340 They could, they could talk to my attorneys, but the government threatened them.

01:07:16.060 If they did, they would be turned on.

01:07:17.200 So Kirkland would threaten the employees and essentially divide and conquer and then sit

01:07:23.540 down and say, okay, they would interview an employee and they'd say, all right, you

01:07:26.740 know, here's our, here's our nine steps on how to frame Trevor.

01:07:29.880 And they would go through it with the employee and they would tell the employee what they

01:07:32.880 wanted to hear.

01:07:33.900 The employee's like, that's not accurate.

01:07:35.220 They're like, okay, well, we're just going to move on.

01:07:38.020 It is accurate, but we're going to move on.

01:07:39.500 And then they would, but they wouldn't take notes of it.

01:07:42.960 They wouldn't take notes of it.

01:07:43.740 So when an employee would be like, oh no, Trevor didn't, like Trevor told the chief legal

01:07:47.980 counsel this and the chief legal counsel signed off on this.

01:07:51.040 And Kirkland was like, no, that's actually not how it happened, but it's okay.

01:07:53.840 We're going to move on.

01:07:54.920 And then they wouldn't write it down and they would just move on.

01:07:56.760 So like, I had no idea an employee would actually tell this.

01:07:59.060 Imagine this is Brady, Brady material means information that shows you're innocent or exculpatory.

01:08:04.400 Kirkland and the company would sanitize all of it.

01:08:06.600 And then what they did is they would, they would come up with a plan that they would

01:08:09.720 come up with this report and Kirkland came out with it, a whole report on me about how

01:08:13.360 I was a fraud.

01:08:14.820 They created this report fraudulently with all these partial employee comments where

01:08:20.860 they sanitized everything out of it that showed I was innocent.

01:08:23.340 And the government wanted it because they wanted to guarantee they would use that as part

01:08:26.740 of their indictment and use it as part of the SEC coming after me.

01:08:30.220 So it's crazy.

01:08:31.240 The whole thing is planned out.

01:08:33.660 It's just bonkers.

01:08:34.020 So what kind of penalty were you facing at trial?

01:08:37.120 64 years is what the government asked.

01:08:38.900 Oh God, sorry.

01:08:41.280 64 years in prison.

01:08:42.400 64 years in prison, I think is what the number was that they asked for.

01:08:44.840 How old were you at the time?

01:08:46.320 I was, I was like 40.

01:08:48.280 Right.

01:08:48.720 So you'd be 104 when you got out.

01:08:50.040 Yeah, I'd be dead.

01:08:50.640 Yeah.

01:08:51.720 And-

01:08:52.000 So you're facing a life in prison.

01:08:53.260 Life in prison for, for, for tweeting, by the way.

01:08:55.540 Remember, this is important to know.

01:08:57.200 Even one day in prison is the worst thing you can do to a human that's innocent because

01:09:00.480 it destroys their life, their freedom, their liberty, their family, their name.

01:09:03.400 It's irreparable.

01:09:04.380 Like I, there's probably been a quarter million negative articles written about me because

01:09:09.420 they just follow what the government says.

01:09:11.700 So a great example is at when the gut, when the government came out, the U S attorney,

01:09:15.320 Audrey Strauss came out and this is the crazy thing.

01:09:18.360 They will, they convict me for misunderstanding my tweet, right?

01:09:20.820 Cause they say it was more, it affected the market.

01:09:22.600 But so here's the crazy part.

01:09:24.820 Audrey Strauss comes out.

01:09:26.300 She stands in front of the whole world.

01:09:27.820 And she says, Trevor Milton is a liar, a fraud is where the, the, the rubber meets

01:09:33.080 the pavement.

01:09:34.320 He created a truck that was nothing more than a Ford, a Ford truck with, with, with, with

01:09:38.980 his own badge on it.

01:09:39.860 It wasn't even real.

01:09:40.720 It was fake everything that was categorically 100% false.

01:09:46.020 So the market collapses on equal.

01:09:48.200 So this market manipulation, they should indict her like they indicted me.

01:09:52.900 Because she actually caused massive market collapse when she had the resources at her

01:09:56.500 hands to know that what she was saying was fake, but she didn't care.

01:09:59.620 You know why she can say, Oh, well maybe, uh, maybe we misrepresented it a little bit.

01:10:04.420 No, they destroyed the company.

01:10:05.840 The department of justice destroyed $34 billion in value.

01:10:09.220 And she is responsible.

01:10:10.920 The U S attorney came out, literally lied to the entire market.

01:10:14.920 Okay.

01:10:15.140 Like it's provable.

01:10:15.980 The Nikola, the pickup, one of the other trucks we did, the pickup truck was a Nikola

01:10:19.980 truck, Nikola frame, Nikola e-axle, Nikola battery that we were working on all of our

01:10:23.860 own suspension designs, our own exterior panels, everything.

01:10:27.320 All that design was ours.

01:10:28.180 We used like a couple of pieces from other OEMs, which every OEM in the world does.

01:10:32.880 And she came out and said it was literally just destroyed when that, when she came out

01:10:37.540 and said that it, the whole entire company at that point was known as a fraud.

01:10:40.580 And it's one of the wildest interviews I've ever done.

01:10:43.420 And I hope people understand the importance of it.

01:10:46.220 Um, because what it shows is that the, that there's a shocking level of coordination between

01:10:52.460 major institutions in our society that are not supposed to be coordinating with each other

01:10:56.660 and that it's on behalf of what is in my view, a criminal enterprise short selling.

01:11:02.080 Here's where it gets really like, okay, so now we've had all the, I agree.

01:11:07.560 And now we've had all this fun talking about this.

01:11:09.760 And here's like the, here's the cherry on top.

01:11:12.460 Here's the cherry on top.

01:11:13.980 Um, this just shows you how corrupt it is.

01:11:17.040 So I didn't know this was going down.

01:11:19.820 This was completely, I did not know this was going down in the background.

01:11:23.260 Okay.

01:11:23.880 So after everything I'm telling you, I'm sitting there, I get a call from my attorney and

01:11:29.560 he says, Trevor, I need you to answer me something honestly.

01:11:33.040 And if you lie to me, I'll never represent you.

01:11:35.580 You need to be a hundred percent truthful to me right now.

01:11:38.080 And I'm like, what?

01:11:39.080 I've never lied to you.

01:11:39.940 What are you talking about?

01:11:40.460 Why would you even phrase it that way?

01:11:41.740 What's, what's going on, dude?

01:11:43.040 What the hell else is going on that I don't know about?

01:11:46.120 And he says, Trevor, are you a Russian asset?

01:11:54.340 I thought you were like a Mormon kid from Kanab, Utah.

01:11:56.840 Oh, I, I was a very innocent, naive Mormon kid from Kanab, Utah that had met, I had met

01:12:03.740 one Russian in my lifetime up to that point.

01:12:05.540 And she was a male lady.

01:12:07.320 She was really nice.

01:12:08.560 Like at the post office?

01:12:09.440 Yeah.

01:12:09.620 The post office.

01:12:10.300 She worked for the post office.

01:12:11.880 And, uh, are you a Russian asset?

01:12:15.500 I had never been to Russia.

01:12:16.780 I had never met a Russian in my life up to that point.

01:12:19.020 No big deal.

01:12:19.820 I mean, there's probably lots of great people.

01:12:21.220 I mean, it's probably good and bad, just like every country.

01:12:23.140 Um, I, uh, I, and I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

01:12:28.380 I'm sorry for the language.

01:12:29.540 Sorry for the language.

01:12:30.180 Everyone.

01:12:31.600 It's justified.

01:12:32.760 My job.

01:12:33.400 I mean, I had no clue.

01:12:34.540 I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:12:35.560 They're like, did you hack, um, Nate Anderson and the department of justice?

01:12:39.800 What the fuck are you talking about?

01:12:41.300 I don't even know how to hack dude.

01:12:43.200 I'm not a hacker.

01:12:44.220 I'm not a Russian asset.

01:12:46.320 Dude.

01:12:46.700 I have to go to my engineers to ask them simple questions for, because that's how I learned.

01:12:50.060 Like, I don't know how to do it.

01:12:51.120 Like, I'm not like the expert when it comes to like, you get in super advanced chemical

01:12:54.940 engineering.

01:12:55.520 I'm not the expert.

01:12:56.420 I have my engineers teach me.

01:12:57.440 I don't know how to hack a government system.

01:12:59.960 Good fuck, dude.

01:13:02.120 So I was, um, this is, that was the line of questioning right up front.

01:13:07.460 And I said, why?

01:13:08.160 And they said, um, there's a meeting before the judge.

01:13:11.020 The department of justice is alleging that you're a government Russian asset and that

01:13:17.760 you've been hacking their systems and Nate Anderson.

01:13:21.160 And, um, they want to, they essentially want to take you to jail like a pre pre-trial.

01:13:26.040 Like they want to just throw me in prison for this.

01:13:28.720 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

01:13:30.900 He's like, you've never emailed anyone ever to get information from, to like, try to get

01:13:34.780 into the system of Hindenburg or the United States government.

01:13:36.960 No, you've never talked to anyone ever.

01:13:38.900 No, you never asked someone to talk to someone else about it.

01:13:41.560 No, don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

01:13:45.260 So guess what happened?

01:13:46.600 Nate Anderson before trial wanted to stoke the fear of the United States, get the government

01:13:51.680 so mad at me that I have no ability to have a fair trial.

01:13:54.240 Remember they're profiting off of the failure of me every step of the way.

01:13:57.320 So every month they would make another, however many millions of dollars, millions of dollars,

01:14:00.620 millions of dollars.

01:14:01.000 As your stock price declines.

01:14:02.020 As the stock price declines, negative news comes out.

01:14:04.380 They had to make sure that I was convicted.

01:14:05.980 Their entire life and identity was on this.

01:14:09.680 From what we hear, and I have to say, this is only from what I know.

01:14:14.700 I don't know all the details.

01:14:16.160 I just know a lot of them.

01:14:17.500 But from what I know, Nate Anderson reached out to his buddies in the Department of Justice,

01:14:22.360 the prosecutors that he's been, that he fed the report to and told them that some Russian

01:14:26.800 asset was trying to hack him and the government and get information.

01:14:30.360 And that it was me and that the Department of Justice fell for it, hook, lying and sinker.

01:14:36.840 They go to the judge, they tell the judge and they set up a FBI sting.

01:14:42.540 I've never told any, this is breaking here.

01:14:47.100 An FBI sting in New York City.

01:14:50.520 Supposedly I'm behind it.

01:14:51.460 They're going to nab me and my Russian asset.

01:14:56.940 They set it up.

01:14:58.540 Nate Anderson or a lookalike.

01:15:00.140 I heard it might, it was a lookalike.

01:15:01.640 It was a guy dressed up as Nate Anderson.

01:15:03.320 Like that he was like in the FBI or like away or something.

01:15:06.020 But they didn't want to risk his life.

01:15:08.060 They got to protect him.

01:15:10.640 He, a personal lookalike was there.

01:15:13.420 The Russian, this Russian person shows up.

01:15:15.700 realizes it's not Nate or whatever and fucking takes off.

01:15:21.180 Hits an FBI vehicle from what I hear.

01:15:23.380 And by the way, this is all filmed.

01:15:24.540 The FBI has it.

01:15:25.360 These fuckers, I'm sorry.

01:15:26.100 These people have it.

01:15:27.260 I don't have access to it.

01:15:28.420 I've seen, I've heard about it and my attorneys have seen it.

01:15:30.760 They fucking filmed this thing.

01:15:33.000 They actually, because they were going to use it to go to the judge and throw me in prison.

01:15:35.960 If Nate Anderson is texting federal prosecutors, that right there should trigger a criminal investigation.

01:15:41.360 It should.

01:15:42.480 If that's true.

01:15:43.380 I mean, I'm hearing this from you.

01:15:44.620 If it's true.

01:15:45.960 From what I know, that's the thing.

01:15:48.040 That's where I have all the evidence from what has been told to me, from my attorneys, from what I've seen.

01:15:53.020 I was standing there one day when one of the prosecutors had to show me a message because for disclosure reasons,

01:15:59.380 they literally had to show me their phone and say, hey, we just have to show you this message because it came into us.

01:16:05.680 They had to show it.

01:16:06.560 It was like, so this is how I know that.

01:16:07.940 And what was the message?

01:16:09.120 Who was the message from?

01:16:09.720 It was a message about me fleeing the country.

01:16:12.080 Who was it from?

01:16:12.740 One of the, one of their, one of their, who, who, one of their friends that was involved in this whole scheme.

01:16:18.100 And I couldn't tell you who it was.

01:16:19.340 I didn't, I didn't have their, I couldn't write their number down in the research.

01:16:22.120 I'm, it was in the prosecutor's cell phone, their fucking cell phone.

01:16:24.980 It's just, it's insane that like these guys have gone.

01:16:29.200 So they, they, meaning likely the short sellers, were telling federal prosecutors that you were a flight risk in order to encourage them to put you in.

01:16:38.280 And a Russian asset.

01:16:39.340 And a Russian asset.

01:16:40.060 They wanted me in prison.

01:16:41.260 They did not, they had to do it because they needed to make the judge think I was guilty.

01:16:44.640 So remember, they had approached the, the judge sees all this shit.

01:16:49.280 So the judge is thinking I'm the biggest scum on earth.

01:16:52.820 You know how it is.

01:16:53.440 Like the liberal, like the very far left in New York, where do they hate more than anything?

01:16:57.040 Russian assets.

01:16:57.900 They, I mean, it was Trump.

01:16:59.020 101.

01:16:59.820 Trump's a Russian asset.

01:17:01.500 They use that to stoke the anger to the judge to fuck my life and my, my trial.

01:17:07.720 Knowing that they're going to make another 10, 20, $30 million on it.

01:17:11.380 That is just crazy.

01:17:13.740 I lost almost everything I have in my life because of this.

01:17:16.800 I lost 80 million in attorney fees, billions of dollars in losses in my, in my, on my stock.

01:17:22.020 In, in, innocent investors lost billions of dollars out there potentially in different ways because of what the, because of the decline of the stock value, because of the department, the misconduct of the department of justice.

01:17:33.160 And then they blamed it on me and there's been 200,000 articles out there about how I was the cause of this.

01:17:39.700 And it, now the truth gets out is why I'm so excited to finally think.

01:17:44.260 And I, and I, and I use his name so sacredly because I'm a, I'm a religious person and I use this most in the most sacred, most amazing way I ever can.

01:17:52.720 And like respectful and reverent way, like thank my God for stepping in and, and allowing Donald Trump to, to, to see my story.

01:18:03.160 Because he issued me a full and unconditional pardon days before the government was going to seize every asset I ever owned.

01:18:11.060 And I, that's all, if it was not for Donald Trump, I would be destroyed.

01:18:15.320 And it was the same people that came after him, came after me.

01:18:18.940 And when he saw this, he was like, this is a huge abomination.

01:18:21.800 I can't stand for it.

01:18:23.280 I don't care what the articles say.

01:18:24.900 I don't care what the, what the short seller narrative is.

01:18:28.260 This is wrong.

01:18:29.360 And I don't stand for it.

01:18:30.360 And that's one thing I love about Donald Trump.

01:18:32.480 He does not stand for something when he thinks it's wrong.

01:18:34.900 He doesn't give a shit who is going to attack him.

01:18:37.520 He knew there was going to be blowback.

01:18:39.320 He didn't care.

01:18:40.560 I don't care.

01:18:41.340 I do what's right.

01:18:42.380 This is, and he is a man, like he has got a spine.

01:18:45.360 He's a real man.

01:18:46.400 He's a true man.

01:18:47.120 He's not a cow.

01:18:47.720 He's not, he literally stood up to the media.

01:18:49.560 They said, why'd you pardon Trevor Milton?

01:18:51.200 And because they were trying to, you know, get in, like, make him look bad.

01:18:55.620 And he said, he stood there and said, they destroyed five years of this man's life.

01:19:04.700 Trevor did nothing wrong.

01:19:08.120 They're evil people.

01:19:10.500 Yes.

01:19:10.620 And that was his statement to the press live on the fly.

01:19:14.980 And he, and that was, if it wasn't for Donald Trump, I'd be screwed.

01:19:19.000 They had filed to seize $690 million or something like that from me.

01:19:23.820 They were days away from taking everything.

01:19:25.880 I was sending you to prison.

01:19:27.120 And then sending me to prison just weeks or months later.

01:19:29.840 I, I've been, my goal in this life now has been to try to figure out a way to help Trump

01:19:34.100 reform the criminal justice system, because there's four or five things I could do.

01:19:37.380 And I can lay them out real quick.

01:19:38.360 Like, that will change the entire justice system.

01:19:40.340 I think it's important to tell the world what it is.

01:19:42.240 This would be, these would be like, because, you know, you can go into thousands of things.

01:19:45.240 I only care about four or five things because it'll, 80 to 90% of prosecutions, wrong prosecutions

01:19:50.060 would go away instantaneously.

01:19:51.860 Number one is the, the Department of Justice should never allow, be allowed to talk to anyone

01:19:56.100 unless it's a recorded call.

01:19:57.900 I totally agree.

01:19:58.620 That's number one.

01:19:59.280 They should never be allowed to talk to an attorney.

01:20:00.960 Cops have, beat cops who are making 50 grand a year and risking their life every day in

01:20:05.700 the worst places in the United States have to wear a chess camera.

01:20:10.440 But FBI agents don't?

01:20:12.220 No.

01:20:12.660 So here's the problem.

01:20:13.540 Here's the problem.

01:20:14.120 They coerce and they lie and they destroy people and they destroy evidence.

01:20:16.860 So the number one thing they should be is, is every call, every personal visit, everything

01:20:20.280 should be on camera.

01:20:21.280 And certainly every interview.

01:20:22.600 Every interview as well.

01:20:24.480 May I ask you a dumb question?

01:20:25.580 Are you allowed to whip out your iPhone and record the interview?

01:20:28.540 Um, I believe you are if, I believe you are, if you're being interviewed, um, that person

01:20:34.460 is, but, uh, the person wouldn't know.

01:20:35.980 The employee would never know that.

01:20:37.240 Yes.

01:20:37.700 They're never told.

01:20:38.500 So, but they should force the Department of Justice to do it.

01:20:41.220 So that way it's turned over in discovery.

01:20:42.880 I mean, that, that should be part of their discovery obligations.

01:20:45.320 Okay.

01:20:45.420 Number one is every single interview or, or communication with the, with any counsel, any, any, any, any,

01:20:51.880 uh, attorney or anyone working on the case or instructed to work on the case.

01:20:55.460 It should be a recorded call or video.

01:20:58.340 Number one.

01:20:59.020 Number two is if you indict someone, they, the, the person, the defendant should be able

01:21:02.480 to choose the venue.

01:21:04.240 This is a really important one because what they did is they, I had no connections to

01:21:08.700 New York.

01:21:09.740 We filed them.

01:21:10.680 You're not a native New Yorker.

01:21:11.600 No, I've never, I didn't own a property.

01:21:13.440 I had passed through New York on a flight one time overseas.

01:21:17.860 I've been to Kennedy airport once.

01:21:20.640 I was, I had been interviewed one time, one time early on, um, uh, about an equal

01:21:25.160 in, in New York.

01:21:26.100 And it was, uh, it had nothing to do with the allegations of the government claim.

01:21:28.700 For a media interview.

01:21:29.280 Yeah.

01:21:29.480 For a media interview.

01:21:30.380 So if you look at my whole history, everything the government alleged happened, happened in

01:21:34.360 Arizona and Utah, not in New York.

01:21:36.500 So we filed a motion with the judge and we said, your honor, this is the wrong venue.

01:21:39.080 I'm, I'm guaranteed by the, by the constitution.

01:21:41.260 It's actually one of the reasons why America exists is because they used to drag the founding

01:21:46.420 fathers across sometimes the ocean, sometimes into other cities and states, and they would

01:21:51.060 prosecute them with people that hated them.

01:21:52.640 There's one reason why our founding fathers created the venue clause.

01:21:57.540 And that is, that was, for me, was one of the most, was, was very sacred.

01:22:01.860 May I ask, how did the case wind up in New York City?

01:22:06.080 If you had no connection to New York City?

01:22:07.780 That's the whole scam.

01:22:09.100 Was the company chartered in New York City?

01:22:10.760 Well, no, they said, well, so the prosecutors claimed that it was because we were, the, the,

01:22:14.860 they were publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange that they could drag me to New

01:22:18.540 York.

01:22:19.120 So my con, somehow the company's organization would bring my personal venue into the, underneath

01:22:26.400 the company, which is crazy.

01:22:27.420 That doesn't happen.

01:22:28.340 Number two is we, so they, we filed this motion with the judge and we said, your honor, Trevor

01:22:32.560 doesn't have any connections to New York.

01:22:34.180 This shouldn't even be here.

01:22:34.940 It should be in Arizona, Utah.

01:22:36.120 They would never try it in Arizona, Utah ever.

01:22:38.060 Because your stock was traded in New York.

01:22:40.320 Yeah, but here's the funny part.

01:22:40.860 It's actually traded on the internet.

01:22:42.540 It's traded.

01:22:42.820 Well, yeah.

01:22:43.120 So they say it passes through, it's traded through New York.

01:22:45.020 But you know, the funny thing is, we told the judge, we're like, your honor, even that,

01:22:48.060 even that argument's wrong.

01:22:49.360 And he says, why is that?

01:22:50.360 Why is that?

01:22:50.800 It's a New York Stock Exchange.

01:22:51.600 He says, your honor, the servers are in New Jersey.

01:22:54.440 Well, there is no New York Stock Exchange anymore.

01:22:56.720 I mean, this whole, the whole thing's stupid.

01:22:58.380 That there are a bunch of guys in coats with slips of paper trading stocks.

01:23:01.720 No, it's taking place digitally.

01:23:03.660 So what, what that means is, is that if you took away the venue clause in the constitution,

01:23:09.580 then the, the rights that we've been given, the venue is one of the most powerful clauses

01:23:14.440 ever given.

01:23:15.120 And it was, it was made to prevent people from dragging people into other venues where

01:23:19.060 they could get destroyed.

01:23:20.020 So here's the important thing though, real quick.

01:23:23.080 The, the prosecutors claimed that because something passed through New York somehow digitally,

01:23:28.020 that it allows them to prosecute me in New York.

01:23:30.160 If that's the case, you might as well get rid of every, every district in America.

01:23:33.580 It should only be Southern district because that allows them to pull anyone they want from

01:23:37.540 California, from, from, from Portland, from Texas and charge them in New York, just because

01:23:42.200 the internet goes through New York or some kind of thing like that.

01:23:44.860 That's the problem is it would, it would, it would destroy every venue in America.

01:23:48.840 So did you have to move to New York?

01:23:50.540 I did.

01:23:51.640 You moved to New York?

01:23:52.940 I had to move there during the entire time in trial.

01:23:55.680 Like how long was that?

01:23:56.580 How long were you in New York?

01:23:57.100 I mean, you know, we, we, we had, we bought a house there for, for the whole, for the whole

01:24:00.540 trial was awful.

01:24:01.480 It was terrible.

01:24:02.920 I was for the trial and we were there, you know, the trial took, I mean, the pre-trial and

01:24:06.680 trial was over a couple of years.

01:24:08.880 So did you move to New York for a couple of years?

01:24:10.480 Not, I wasn't there the full time.

01:24:11.760 I was still, I'd still go back and forth, but yeah, I was there for, I was there for

01:24:15.260 a little over a year.

01:24:16.260 I mean, at least probably a year in and out all the time.

01:24:19.040 What did you think of the jury pool?

01:24:21.680 That was hard.

01:24:22.580 And this is why the government tries people in New York.

01:24:26.200 So the jury pool in, in, in my, in my trial was, this is why they rubber stamp convictions

01:24:30.840 in New York.

01:24:31.360 This is how it works.

01:24:32.580 In, in Utah and Arizona, the jury would, the people actually feel like it's a, a, like a very

01:24:38.220 patriotic thing to serve on the jury.

01:24:40.040 And they want to make sure that no innocent person goes to prison.

01:24:42.320 This is why they wouldn't try me in Arizona or Utah.

01:24:45.580 They would, the prosecutors would have been laughed out of the courtroom and probably sanctioned

01:24:49.880 by the judge for their conduct.

01:24:51.300 But in New York, the judges cover for them.

01:24:54.400 They can do whatever they want.

01:24:55.660 There's never a prosecutor that's ever reprimanded for anything in New York ever.

01:24:59.320 Shit in Utah, just barely that the chief justice in Utah called the SEC and essentially told

01:25:06.920 them that they had committed crimes, shut down the entire SEC division in Utah over

01:25:10.640 this because the SEC lied to the judge one time that the prosecutors lied to the judge

01:25:15.120 hundreds of times in my trial, the judge literally threw the entire criminal case out against

01:25:19.920 a guy because the prosecutors misled the judge one time they out there.

01:25:24.780 They actually give a shit about the rule of law in New York.

01:25:27.940 They don't.

01:25:29.040 So what do they do in New York?

01:25:29.940 How does it work?

01:25:30.500 They bring you in and they have this huge jury pool.

01:25:35.320 New York is, the people in my jury pool that ended up through process of attrition, which

01:25:41.400 is guaranteed every time, almost every one of them, none of them had, very few of them

01:25:47.360 had any type of job.

01:25:48.800 Most of them were on government subsidies and welfare.

01:25:51.280 Actually?

01:25:51.820 Yeah.

01:25:52.800 The people that did have jobs, like there was one guy that came through that was a plumber,

01:25:56.460 an electrician, and I was begging, I was like, please, like, stay on my journey.

01:26:00.620 They didn't have jobs or on welfare?

01:26:02.660 Some of them.

01:26:03.660 Some of them.

01:26:04.100 Not all of them.

01:26:04.580 This is the jury of your peers you promised?

01:26:05.420 My jury.

01:26:05.820 Yeah.

01:26:06.620 Yeah.

01:26:06.820 So one of the guys was like, was a small business guy.

01:26:11.480 I'm like, oh, please, for the love, stay on my journey.

01:26:13.980 And he's like, and the prosecutor's like, your honor, this jury, this trial could take

01:26:17.980 up to four months.

01:26:20.420 The business guy's like, I can't be away from my business for four months.

01:26:23.540 I'll lose it.

01:26:24.780 I'm sorry.

01:26:25.320 I can't be here.

01:26:26.740 So the guy who's actually, like, who's actually run a company that's like, would be a peer,

01:26:30.640 one person left.

01:26:32.740 See, other guys making, you know, the other people, they're making six, eight bucks an

01:26:35.880 hour, 10 bucks an hour, whatever, getting welfare, getting welfare checks, retired, don't

01:26:38.940 even work anymore.

01:26:40.660 They're like really old people.

01:26:41.860 We had a couple of them that slept through the whole trial.

01:26:43.980 They're so old.

01:26:44.420 They just slept.

01:26:45.040 They didn't even, they weren't even awake.

01:26:47.800 We, one of them was, and then what we found, the crazy part is, so during this Void Dyer,

01:26:51.820 you know, they call it Void Dyer, where they, where they interview the jurors.

01:26:56.580 There's this one juror and this juror had, she was a younger African-American female.

01:27:03.340 And most of my jury was, was, was, was, was other races.

01:27:07.300 They were not white.

01:27:07.860 It was, most of it was all, I think that might've only had one white person on our, our jury

01:27:12.080 off to look, but it was almost all a different race, which is fine.

01:27:14.860 But, you know, you would think normally, but in this situation, it wasn't.

01:27:19.300 So this, this juror had, and during questionnaires, we asked the juror, do you have social media?

01:27:24.600 No, I don't.

01:27:25.380 Do you use social media?

01:27:26.140 No, I don't.

01:27:27.180 Do you, where do you get your news from?

01:27:28.660 I get it from YouTube.

01:27:30.880 Okay.

01:27:31.560 All right, cool.

01:27:32.300 Sounds good.

01:27:33.120 Any prior convictions?

01:27:34.100 No, no, no.

01:27:34.820 Okay, cool.

01:27:35.700 Whatever.

01:27:36.060 So there was nothing on her.

01:27:37.040 And we asked the judge if we could research these jurors to make sure that the jurors weren't

01:27:40.180 lying.

01:27:40.680 She was like, yeah, no problem.

01:27:41.420 You can research.

01:27:41.860 You know, so we, the person said they had never had social media, never had, do you

01:27:45.440 have anything against rich people or white people that would, that would affect your

01:27:48.860 ability to be fair?

01:27:49.560 No, no, your honor.

01:27:50.600 Okay.

01:27:50.920 So cool.

01:27:51.340 We put her in a pool of like potentially just acceptable people because they didn't meet

01:27:55.340 any qualifications to be disregarded or just, just, you know, essentially thrown out.

01:28:01.000 And so long story short is that we go into the trial.

01:28:04.140 Most of my jury is.

01:28:05.620 And she's on the jury.

01:28:06.360 She's on the jury.

01:28:06.760 There was, I had one good juror.

01:28:08.120 I had one good juror and it was a, it was a, it was a Hispanic lady and she was awesome.

01:28:11.120 Um, she ultimately went along with the rest, but she was, she was actually, she was the

01:28:14.340 only one that had any sense of, of soul in her, her heart in her that was like, Hey,

01:28:18.760 this might be wrong guys.

01:28:20.480 Um, she was a really great woman and I think she was bulldozed by everybody.

01:28:24.080 She had, she, but I'll go through this.

01:28:25.760 This African-American girl, um, lied to the judge, lied to us.

01:28:29.380 My trial happens.

01:28:30.500 I get convicted and she goes out and she starts speaking to the jury.

01:28:33.780 I mean, speaking to the media.

01:28:36.300 We're like, what the fuck?

01:28:37.920 Like, and so she, she starts speaking to the media.

01:28:40.840 She gets interviewed by the media and, and the media is, uh, the media asks her questions

01:28:46.140 and they were really weird.

01:28:47.640 And we start researching her and we find multiple social media accounts that she owned through

01:28:53.560 investigative ways that she never disclosed to the, to the judge or us.

01:28:57.900 And right before my trial, guess what her new year's resolution was to abolish a quote, abolish

01:29:05.480 the billionaire class, end of quote.

01:29:10.620 That's unbelievable.

01:29:12.320 Her new year's resolution was to abolish the class of the human that she was on the trial

01:29:18.460 for.

01:29:19.220 Imagine this.

01:29:20.280 Imagine if there was a trial with a young Hispanic kid or a young black kid, and there

01:29:25.560 was a white supremacist on, on, on the trial and his, and his new year's resolution was

01:29:29.840 to abolish the African American culture, abolish or, or class or abolish the Hispanic class.

01:29:36.480 Can you imagine how quick that fucking trial would be thrown out?

01:29:39.860 What did she express any racial views?

01:29:41.840 Yeah.

01:29:42.160 Lots of stuff against white people, wealthy people.

01:29:44.340 Everything was a, everything was a class warfare against wealthy white people.

01:29:48.040 Like explicitly against whites.

01:29:49.720 Everyone except for Elon Musk, which was her, which was her, her hero.

01:29:52.820 So she was like, implant my brain with your neural link, Elon.

01:29:55.760 Like she was like a, she was an Elon lover.

01:30:00.620 Implant my brain with your neural link.

01:30:03.520 That's what she said.

01:30:04.320 She actually tweeted that.

01:30:06.400 Yeah.

01:30:06.800 She tweeted it.

01:30:07.400 But she hates whites.

01:30:08.260 Otherwise she hates whites.

01:30:09.280 Otherwise I think it's because he's South African or something.

01:30:11.120 But like the point is that she absolutely was like, her whole thing was like, she served

01:30:16.960 on the jury and voted for your conviction.

01:30:18.280 Not only served, she was the head of the, she took full control of the jury.

01:30:21.240 She even admitted it.

01:30:23.840 So it was.

01:30:25.160 Why wasn't, why wasn't the conviction thrown out on the basis?

01:30:27.940 Oh, it's even gets worse already.

01:30:28.940 So one last thing I'll say.

01:30:30.060 So when she went out and interviewed with the media, they were like, they're like, oh,

01:30:32.920 why didn't you, you know, like, what about this, this, and this?

01:30:35.200 They asked her questions about something.

01:30:36.460 She's like, well, we didn't want to have an alternate come in because we knew he'd be

01:30:38.960 found innocent.

01:30:42.740 She actually said that I would be found innocent.

01:30:44.240 Why didn't you flee the country?

01:30:46.600 No, seriously.

01:30:47.400 I wanted to stand.

01:30:51.280 I mean, this is a joke.

01:30:52.500 Everything about this is fake.

01:30:54.440 There's no reference point in justice here at all or truth.

01:30:58.180 And I know it's your country and you love the country.

01:30:59.780 I feel the same way.

01:31:00.400 But like, if you, you're sitting before a jury of racists who hate you for being white

01:31:05.640 and rich and say so and lie, you're, you're going to do life in prison.

01:31:12.720 Life in prison.

01:31:13.320 They asked for 64 years.

01:31:14.500 So, did you consider fleeing the country?

01:31:17.080 No, I never did.

01:31:18.700 Mainly because like, I grew up in a really small farm town.

01:31:21.640 As I said, my dad was very patriotic, is still.

01:31:25.280 But like, we know the problems in the government.

01:31:27.880 We hope we can fix them.

01:31:28.760 But the point was, is there's something very, very brave and very like patriotic and very

01:31:34.260 like manly about standing up, knowing you're going to be assassinated and look at him in

01:31:40.220 your eye and just saying, fuck you.

01:31:41.320 That was my, my best thing I could do is look at him and through the eyes and I looked at

01:31:45.540 the jury and I said, you know, one day you're going to stand before God and oh, how the hell

01:31:50.120 you're going to pay because they're going to realize that they, that they like, so the

01:31:53.820 one juror was like, oh, we didn't want him.

01:31:55.620 We didn't want an alternate because they were going to exclude someone though.

01:31:57.860 We didn't want an alternate because he would have been found innocent.

01:32:00.300 She's like, I couldn't stay.

01:32:01.280 So I just decided we need to have this done by 5 p.m.

01:32:03.420 So I could go home.

01:32:04.160 So she like literally is just like, well, I have to be home by 5 p.m.

01:32:07.640 So we're going to convict him.

01:32:08.420 We're not even going to look at the jury and start away the stuff.

01:32:10.460 We're just going to, let's just, let's just go home.

01:32:13.160 And she like, she was, she was bragging about convicting, convicting me, putting me in prison

01:32:17.620 by 5 p.m.

01:32:19.000 And it was her lifelong goal.

01:32:20.260 And then she went and bragged about it to the media because she wanted a big, she wanted

01:32:23.100 a big payday.

01:32:24.680 It was just sick, dude.

01:32:25.900 It's sick.

01:32:26.500 And I, and there's something about like, like, I feel like, you know, God, like Christ,

01:32:31.160 you know, if you believe in God, you know, allegedly, you know, what they believe is that

01:32:35.440 he died on a cross.

01:32:37.060 He didn't die because he, he, he didn't, he didn't die on that cross because he had, I

01:32:41.020 mean, because he was forced to, he did it willingly.

01:32:44.700 And it's the greatest sign of a man is to look his, look at the people that are evil in

01:32:48.100 their eye, why they, why they hurt him or murder him and look him in the eye and just

01:32:51.640 say, you don't know.

01:32:52.980 And one day you will, and it'll be pain.

01:32:56.440 The pain will be deep.

01:32:57.400 And I can promise you, like, if God does exist, when they meet their maker, the pain, they,

01:33:01.360 the pain, they caused me and the lies that they, what they did to me through race, through

01:33:05.980 their hatred towards wealth and race and everything else and whatever other reason, they will have

01:33:12.420 to pay a price greater than what I paid over my five years of hell.

01:33:16.720 Because that's the only way you can truly atone for something is you have to pay for what

01:33:19.640 you did and then God can forget about it.

01:33:21.940 But their, their, their pain is going to be incredible.

01:33:24.760 And, and I, I don't wish that on them, but the growth that's required requires that.

01:33:29.580 And so they will have to go through it.

01:33:31.340 And that's why I'm so afraid of ever doing anything wrong to anyone.

01:33:33.760 It's why I give so much away.

01:33:35.080 It's why I love, I give so, I gave 70% of my company away.

01:33:38.860 The judge wouldn't let me talk about that at trial.

01:33:41.660 So they could say that I, somehow I was like, oh, I was lying.

01:33:43.960 I was defrauding the company, you know, defrauding shareholders because I like lied about

01:33:47.180 something in a tweet when it was a misunderstanding.

01:33:49.200 But like, they just didn't understand what, how I was explaining it.

01:33:52.960 But if, if I was really trying to pump the stock and defraud people, wouldn't I have not

01:33:58.140 given 70% of, I mean, I'm talking 10 billion plus dollars away.

01:34:03.400 Why would I keep such a small amount for me?

01:34:06.060 Why wouldn't I keep it all?

01:34:08.060 No, I gave it all away, but somehow I'm a fraud.

01:34:10.800 It was just, it's just, it's, it's, it's, that's America.

01:34:14.440 Talk about, that's where we're at now.

01:34:15.420 And that's, this is the first time I've ever exposed it.

01:34:17.580 And the first time I've ever come clean about like what really happened and what went down.

01:34:21.640 And it's, and I'm just really great.

01:34:23.720 I'm really proud.

01:34:24.300 How did your wife take this?

01:34:27.340 Not well.

01:34:28.640 Yeah.

01:34:30.240 Yeah, I bet.

01:34:31.760 She still struggles to this day because with her, with her illnesses and sicknesses,

01:34:36.160 stress is like the number one factor for diabetics and for, for autoimmune diseases,

01:34:41.160 that that's what it flares up the, the, the, the histamine reactions and everything.

01:34:45.540 And her stress level, like there was days where I thought we were both going to probably just

01:34:49.800 wake up, like God would just be kind to us and just let us like die in our sleep.

01:34:53.580 Like, I was like, you know, that'd be the greatest way to go.

01:34:55.680 I was like, you know, that'd be wonderful to like, just wake up and I'm in heaven with her.

01:34:59.980 That'd be rad.

01:35:00.980 Like, like there was, my heart hurts so bad and tore so hard.

01:35:04.960 I was like, I can't, I could never imagine hurting.

01:35:08.840 Like I've come from a life of service.

01:35:10.360 I lived in Brazil when I was a kid, I did a service mission in the favelas.

01:35:13.420 I taught people English.

01:35:14.640 I taught people about God for a period, you know, for, for, for a period of time.

01:35:18.480 I've given almost everything away to my employees.

01:35:20.580 I gave everything away to other people.

01:35:22.380 I never pass up a per, you can ask anyone you ever meet that knows me.

01:35:25.460 I'll never pass anyone up on the street unless it's like a dangerous position where I won't

01:35:29.280 stop and help a person.

01:35:30.460 It's been my, it's who I was raised from the time I was a kid as a true patriot, as a lover,

01:35:34.600 like of just wanting to see people happy.

01:35:37.360 I want to see when I meet my maker, I want him to say, you know, Trevor, you stopped 23,000

01:35:42.300 times in your life to help my, help me help my, my children, the people that I, that I,

01:35:47.740 that I made.

01:35:49.240 And they were never grateful for it, but I am.

01:35:52.120 And that's what I wanted.

01:35:53.240 I wanted that feel.

01:35:54.060 I wanted to know when I met my maker that I was like, you know what?

01:35:56.200 I, I never passed someone up that needed help.

01:35:59.420 And that's why I was so grateful for president Trump.

01:36:01.940 He was the first person, there was other people there that helped as well, but he was

01:36:05.420 the first person that was, that was, uh, that was publicly able to, you know, that was

01:36:11.460 able to willing to, willing to stand up and do what's right, regardless of the consequence

01:36:14.900 and thank my God for president Donald Trump.

01:36:17.860 Cause I'd be in prison.

01:36:19.100 Everything would be ripped away.

01:36:20.080 My wife would probably be dead.

01:36:21.360 And that's how evil these prosecutors are.

01:36:23.820 And I hope they go to, I hope they hear this and I hope they understand the damage they

01:36:27.340 do to people.

01:36:27.840 Cause they have to meet their maker one day and they can excuse it of like, oh, it's

01:36:31.340 just my job.

01:36:32.240 God doesn't care if it was your job.

01:36:34.040 Was it your job to throw a, you know, not comparing equals here, but was it your job to

01:36:38.420 throw the Jews in the oven?

01:36:40.540 He doesn't care if it's your job.

01:36:42.900 He cares what you cannot excuse your behavior on your job.

01:36:47.800 And I'm telling you right now, dude, like I'm, I'm halfway through my life right now.

01:36:51.360 And I don't think America has much more and much more in the future.

01:36:54.140 I think we got maybe 10 years left in us probably.

01:36:57.640 So if I really think about it, I probably have 10 years left in my life.

01:37:00.240 Cause I think we're going to end up in a world of hurt.

01:37:02.100 And most of us are going to be, most of us are going to be affected negatively.

01:37:05.340 And I, I look at it and I'm like, I'm pretty close to meeting my maker right now.

01:37:11.100 And, uh, and I'm, I'm really glad I'm really proud.

01:37:13.280 Like I can look at my maker in the eyes and I can say, I, I like, I did nothing but love

01:37:17.260 people and help them and give everything I could.

01:37:19.220 And I never lied.

01:37:20.060 I never defrauded.

01:37:21.360 These guys, these short sellers and the prosecutors, they all just lied and they just, and they

01:37:25.300 just spread it and they have their power.

01:37:26.820 They have layers, like nine layers, just deep everywhere.

01:37:29.300 And they back it up because, oh, well, the media said this.

01:37:31.860 Oh, well, Bloomberg said this.

01:37:33.080 Oh, CNBC said this.

01:37:35.280 And the, the, the thing I didn't tell you about, and I kind of missed it in that timeline

01:37:39.000 was, is that Hindenburg worked with a group called, um, within CNBC called, uh, American

01:37:43.940 Greed.

01:37:44.880 And they launched this massive, a show, a massive, disgusting show about me.

01:37:50.800 That was all lies.

01:37:51.980 The entire thing was lies.

01:37:53.240 They launched it during my jury deliberation to guarantee.

01:37:56.860 So if you think about this, these.

01:37:58.760 Wait, are you sure that Nate Anderson and Hindenburg worked with CNBC on that show?

01:38:04.480 A hundred percent.

01:38:05.300 It's actually, it's, it's in all the, the lawsuit proven to the judges.

01:38:08.180 It just, it just passed a motion to dismiss.

01:38:09.620 How could CNBC work with a short seller to defame or attack in any case, a company in

01:38:17.240 the short seller was profiting from the decline of?

01:38:20.260 During my jury deliberations, knowing the jury members would go home because they're all

01:38:24.100 social media watchers.

01:38:25.000 They all watch this shit.

01:38:26.360 Every show that comes out, people watch.

01:38:27.740 They're all bingers.

01:38:29.760 Watch it too.

01:38:30.460 Think about it.

01:38:31.120 During the jury deliberations.

01:38:33.560 And it's, it's a hundred percent factual that they, uh, that, that Hindenburg was working

01:38:38.340 with, with, uh, American greed.

01:38:40.660 It's part of the big lawsuits, a billion dollar lawsuit against them.

01:38:43.920 I hope you put them under.

01:38:45.060 I hope, I hope they have to pay.

01:38:46.800 I don't know if the court systems are honorable enough to make them pay, but I hope they do.

01:38:51.380 It's bad.

01:38:52.060 I mean, the best thing would be is the department of justice to actually open a full investigation

01:38:55.580 on the prosecutors, the process, what happened, Hindenburg, what they did, who they, who,

01:39:01.160 who was paying the money, who they, you know, did they trade on this information, which we

01:39:04.820 know, which they, which we have high beliefs that they did.

01:39:07.620 We know it.

01:39:08.140 Well, I mean, obviously they traded on it.

01:39:10.240 So if they did this, that would be the greatest, that would be the best thing that could happen

01:39:14.300 to America is for them to actually restore trust in the justice system to realize, you

01:39:17.740 know what, we're not going to stand for prosecutors fucking around with, with short seller

01:39:20.880 people committing crimes.

01:39:22.400 We're not going to, we're not going to stand for it.

01:39:23.920 And if you are, you're gone.

01:39:24.840 And, and you're prosecuted too, not just gone, but prosecuted.

01:39:28.040 And that would be the, that would be the best way to restore faith in the American system

01:39:31.220 because it's gone right now.

01:39:33.380 How did you find out you were getting a pardon?

01:39:36.980 I, uh, I, I got a call on, so this is crazy.

01:39:41.240 I was actually like, I, my world was over at this time.

01:39:43.900 I had finally come to the conclusion.

01:39:45.240 I had finally resigned mentally that it was done.

01:39:47.480 When was this?

01:39:48.520 Um, beginning of April.

01:39:50.660 I think it was, I think it was April, beginning of April.

01:39:52.960 It was March, sorry.

01:39:54.340 I was sorry.

01:39:54.860 It was beginning.

01:39:55.280 I'm sorry.

01:39:55.920 It was a beginning.

01:39:56.380 It was about the beginning of March.

01:39:57.760 I heard you.

01:39:58.260 Thanks, baby.

01:39:59.080 I appreciate it.

01:39:59.960 She was just like March.

01:40:00.900 I'm like, okay, March.

01:40:01.560 Sorry.

01:40:01.780 Your wife is a very good memory for dates and names.

01:40:04.120 I noticed that last night.

01:40:05.960 Yes.

01:40:06.380 She remembers everything.

01:40:07.600 It's good.

01:40:09.000 Um, and so sometime around the beginning of March, in March, I got a, I got a call on

01:40:13.840 my phone and it pulled up and I screenshotted just the, just the caller ID number because

01:40:19.720 I was like, it was like so interesting.

01:40:21.260 It was, it said, it said, um, executive office of the president of the United States.

01:40:25.180 And I was like, I'm either getting trolled, like straight troll, like they're going to

01:40:31.900 impersonate him with AI.

01:40:33.360 I'm getting full on set up here.

01:40:35.280 But I was like, I got to answer this.

01:40:36.620 I answered it.

01:40:37.100 And they're like, Hey, this is Trevor Milton.

01:40:38.680 I said, yeah.

01:40:39.620 And then this is the executive office of the president of the United States.

01:40:42.560 So-and-so.

01:40:43.060 And Mr.

01:40:43.500 President, uh, President Trump would like to speak with you.

01:40:45.400 Do you have a minute?

01:40:46.900 And I was like, yeah, absolutely.

01:40:48.680 And I, that'd be great.

01:40:50.260 And I go on hold and I'm a hold for probably like three minutes.

01:40:52.840 And I'm like, this is really scary.

01:40:56.300 Cause I truly thought it was like a full setup.

01:40:59.800 And, um, and all of a sudden it was, uh, the president comes on the line.

01:41:03.100 He said, you know, is this Trevor?

01:41:04.000 And I said, yeah.

01:41:05.340 And he says, Trevor, how are you doing today?

01:41:06.880 And I said, not too great, Mr.

01:41:08.220 President, but I'm alive still.

01:41:09.420 And that's, you know, it's all you can do is just keep fighting.

01:41:11.700 And he says, you're, you're, you're so true, Trevor.

01:41:15.520 So true.

01:41:16.060 And he says, well, you're going to have a, you're going to have a better day after this.

01:41:19.660 And I just wanted to tell you.

01:41:20.600 And I said, I said, yeah.

01:41:22.260 And why, and I said, why is that?

01:41:23.460 And he says, um, he says, well, um, Trevor, I've, I've heard your story.

01:41:28.280 And, um, uh, what they did to you was evil and disgusting.

01:41:32.960 It was wrong on every level.

01:41:35.960 And, uh, I'm going to issue you a full and unconditional pardon.

01:41:39.220 The highest pardon a president can give a human is a full and unconditional.

01:41:43.200 And I'm going to give, I'm going to issue you a pardon.

01:41:46.540 You don't deserve what you've been through.

01:41:48.820 I'm so sorry.

01:41:50.500 And, uh, and he says, you're clean, you're cleaner than a baby's bottom.

01:41:53.960 And, um, it was a very, very like, and, and I didn't know how to take it.

01:41:58.100 I'm like, I don't even, here I am.

01:41:59.580 Like I, I had, I had finally given up, finally resigned mentally.

01:42:04.360 It's five years.

01:42:05.060 I was just like, I just didn't have anything left in me.

01:42:06.800 I was just over.

01:42:08.780 And, uh, and he, and, and that was when I got the call on it.

01:42:11.380 And it was like, it was so incredibly because I, I like, I realized that sometimes in this

01:42:15.560 life, you don't get the help until you have nothing left to give.

01:42:19.000 And it was at that moment.

01:42:20.040 And he, and he stepped in for what reason I, you know, I, I know the reason because it

01:42:24.060 was wrong, but like most politicians don't have bravery to do the right thing.

01:42:27.180 They always do the wrong thing.

01:42:29.280 And, and then he says, I'll be in touch soon.

01:42:32.740 And, uh, and he says the team, he's like, I just want to let you know, he's like, uh,

01:42:37.280 you know, I'll be in touch soon.

01:42:38.220 So two and a half, three weeks go by.

01:42:40.740 So what, what did you do in the meantime?

01:42:42.180 Did you tell your lawyer?

01:42:42.960 I told my, I told my parent, my dad, and I told my brothers and my sisters, and I told

01:42:47.900 my lawyers and I made sure that like, I was like, listen guys, this cannot get out.

01:42:52.360 This is the highest level of secrecy.

01:42:54.040 Do not mention this to anybody.

01:42:55.840 And my attorneys actually were like, didn't know how to take it.

01:42:58.940 They were like, are you, um, you know, Trevor, they're like, do you have a, do you have

01:43:02.500 a piece of paper that signed?

01:43:05.400 And in that moment I realized, oh shit, I don't.

01:43:09.500 I'm like, uh, no, I don't.

01:43:11.880 Then they're like, then it didn't happen and it doesn't matter.

01:43:14.580 And there's a million things that can go wrong from now until then.

01:43:16.820 Or if it even, you know, who, you know, like not questioning you because we like you and

01:43:20.460 we trust you, but this is a little, like you got to understand it's very rare to get

01:43:23.680 a pardon.

01:43:24.940 And I said, I, I've never lied to you guys before and I'm not lying to you now.

01:43:27.960 That's, I was like, my wife was here.

01:43:29.120 She listened to the whole thing.

01:43:30.080 And, um, they're like, all right, well, we'll see two to three weeks goes by and nothing.

01:43:34.000 And I'm like, terrified.

01:43:35.160 I'm like, great.

01:43:35.600 Someone got to him.

01:43:36.640 Someone made him think I was the evil man that the press said made him think what the

01:43:40.720 short sellers believe.

01:43:42.460 And, um, and next thing you know, I, I'm sitting there on an architecture.

01:43:46.740 And meanwhile, the government's looming over you to seize all your assets and put you in

01:43:51.380 jail.

01:43:51.780 They did.

01:43:52.220 I was three, I was a few days late on a, on a, on a filing, um, because it was like all

01:43:56.320 my, it was an asset to seize all my assets.

01:43:58.960 It was a filing to seize all my assets.

01:44:01.400 It would, they've, they asked my judge to allow him to take $660 million from me when

01:44:07.360 they couldn't prove a single dollar had ever been, ever been, ever been lost or, or anything

01:44:12.160 that like I had nothing wrong.

01:44:13.920 So that's part of reform when you'll talk about that, you know, that that's one of the

01:44:18.560 things in reform needs to be the true, you know, it needs to be not what the government

01:44:21.340 just says that you like, it has to be true.

01:44:23.020 Like show me someone who invested on my comment when they made it and how much they lost.

01:44:26.800 They couldn't find one person that ever did ever.

01:44:28.680 They searched every investor that ever invested in NICLA.

01:44:31.240 They could never find one person that said they invested based upon the comments that

01:44:34.760 they took me to trial for.

01:44:36.620 And what was the losses from that?

01:44:38.140 None.

01:44:38.540 Zero.

01:44:38.760 So, so it was a 660 million and we were a few days late on our filing and we, and then

01:44:46.920 all of a sudden I'm on the, I'm on a call with our architects and attorneys and Chelsea,

01:44:52.700 Chelsea, like all of a sudden I get a call and it was a Florida number and I was like,

01:44:57.320 okay, I better take this.

01:44:59.860 I usually don't answer calls that I don't know numbers from because I get so much spam,

01:45:02.560 but it was a Florida number.

01:45:03.380 And I thought, okay, maybe.

01:45:04.940 And it comes over the line, Trevor.

01:45:07.540 Yeah.

01:45:07.880 Trevor, it's, it's, it's, it's president Trump.

01:45:10.760 How are you doing?

01:45:12.120 And I said, I am doing, I'm doing okay, Mr. President.

01:45:15.140 And he says, he says, oh, he says, boy, are you going to be doing better today?

01:45:19.500 He says, I wanted to let you know that I'm sitting in front of your pardon right now and

01:45:22.980 I'm about to sign it.

01:45:25.200 And, but I wanted you on the phone while I signed it.

01:45:29.220 And it was, and, and then he said something to me that was really the most powerful thing I've

01:45:34.700 ever heard probably in my life.

01:45:36.180 And he says, I'm doing something for you that they, that they, that they never did for me.

01:45:43.960 And it was one of the most deals like that they, no one can do for me, like that except

01:45:48.460 for him.

01:45:48.880 He may be the only person that can ever do it for himself, but you know, as a president,

01:45:52.280 whatever those constitutional powers are.

01:45:53.920 But essentially what he told me in that moment was, I almost broke down bawling in this because

01:45:59.660 it was, it was like out of everything, that's what I took more powerfully than anything is

01:46:03.260 that Trevor, I'm giving you something that I've long wished I could have been given.

01:46:10.400 And I can't, no one did it for me, but I'm doing it for you.

01:46:16.700 And I almost busted down because it was really like a religious moment for me.

01:46:21.280 It was a moment of like, of like where I felt like God was sometimes like, that's the moment

01:46:26.260 where God was like, I, I didn't do anything, but I had to let the evil man of the world murder

01:46:31.400 me and hang me on a cross and suffer for days beyond any human could ever comprehend.

01:46:37.080 And I had to do it because you couldn't do it for me.

01:46:40.680 And like, fuck, that was like, that was like, that was a moment that like, I had, I had never

01:46:47.060 imagined the power of a man's words in my life ever hit me like that.

01:46:50.880 And it was when Trump told me, I'm doing something for you that no one could do for me.

01:46:55.920 And it was like, it hurt my heart.

01:46:57.420 Like it hurt me to like, think about like what he went through and what Trump's been through

01:47:01.480 and like what they're doing and they, and no one could come in and do that for him.

01:47:05.980 And I was like, this guy's a, a human beyond measure.

01:47:09.200 The media loves to make him out to be a villain.

01:47:11.840 He is, he is so human.

01:47:14.440 So fucking amazing.

01:47:16.160 Like I, I, I, I straight up, I would die for him, dude.

01:47:19.120 In two seconds, I'd take, I'd, I'd take a bullet in one second for him.

01:47:22.860 Like he, he, he's that good of a man.

01:47:25.420 And like, I'm like, I just, I, it was, it was so special that my wife was crying.

01:47:32.620 Like I was crying.

01:47:33.160 It was just like, it was just like he, and he, he did it.

01:47:37.100 He called me, he wanted to make sure I heard his pin.

01:47:40.180 He put the phone and you could hear his pin up and down and up and down and up and down,

01:47:45.240 up and down.

01:47:45.860 Like he has, you know, 20 peaks and valleys in the signature and it's so beautiful.

01:47:50.020 And, uh, and he says, Trevor, we, everyone here loves you.

01:47:53.520 You don't deserve this.

01:47:55.040 I'm so sorry.

01:47:55.900 And he says, he says, go tell the whole world.

01:47:57.820 You should be proud of this.

01:47:59.000 Go tell the whole world.

01:48:00.040 And I said, you're okay.

01:48:00.900 If I tell, if I, if I talk about it, it's just, I expect you to.

01:48:05.340 And I was like, what a, what a, what a man.

01:48:09.140 Like, I think we forgot what men are.

01:48:12.300 Like, it's just, I feel like society has dumbed men down to nothing to almost no, no heroism

01:48:18.220 anymore.

01:48:18.660 No, no, no greatness, no spine, no, no character, no nothing.

01:48:22.780 And I'm like, this is what our founding fathers were like, like the guy is willing to give

01:48:27.100 up his life, everything.

01:48:28.120 And he's willing to save someone who's, who means nothing to him.

01:48:31.200 I meant nothing to Trump.

01:48:32.340 I mean, other than the story, other than he was wrong, but like he didn't, he, he, you

01:48:36.720 know, I wasn't a, I wasn't a lifelong friend of his.

01:48:38.820 He did this because it was wrong.

01:48:42.160 The, the, what they did to me was wrong.

01:48:43.560 And so he, he did this because he wanted to write a wrong and that's as godlike as they

01:48:47.780 make in this world.

01:48:48.500 And I'm, I'm damn proud.

01:48:49.880 I have that, I have that, that pardon on my desk and I'm blowing it up and I'm putting

01:48:54.220 it on my wallet, my, in my hanger, and I'm going to blow it up to 30 feet high and I'm

01:48:59.000 going to wear it with a badge of honor for my entire life.

01:49:00.980 And I'll go down and I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll go down and die for that dude.

01:49:04.040 It doesn't matter.

01:49:06.040 He deserves it.

01:49:06.900 He, he, he's earned it.

01:49:08.820 I can't thank you enough for the interview.

01:49:11.980 Thank you.

01:49:12.900 Trevor Milton.

01:49:13.760 Congrats.

01:49:14.500 Thanks, Tucker.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - July 23, 2025

How Wall Street & the FBI Colluded to Destroy Trevor Milton After His Tech Threatened Big Oil

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