ICE Protests and Antifa Riots: Tucker Carlson Warns of Total Destruction if America Doesn’t Act Fast
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The United States is moving, not inexorably, but still moving toward civil war, Bob Greene says . Greene: The U.S. population has less in common with itself, with one another than ever before . He says diversity, difference, is intolerable to most people; diversity of all kinds is not our strength, it's our weakness .
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Well, not to be depressing, but here's the truth and something you should keep in mind
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over the next few years. The United States, two things to keep in mind. The United States
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is moving, not inexorably, but still moving toward civil war, number one. And number two,
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civil wars are the very worst kind of wars, worse than any kind of war fought against a foreign
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adversary. So to number one, why is America moving towards civil war? For the same reason
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all countries that wind up in civil war get there, because the differences between their
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population, between people within their borders, becomes too great to bear. People decide I have
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nothing in common with people who live near me, and I don't want to live near them anymore. In other
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words, diversity, difference, is actually intolerable to most people. Not necessarily
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racial diversity, though sometimes that too, but diversity of all kinds. It is not our strength.
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In fact, it is without question our weakness, and it has always been. If you have nothing in
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common with your wife, do you have a stronger marriage? No, of course your marriage falls
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apart, and the same is true for countries. And the truth about the United States is that on
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every level, beginning with a demographic level, the American population has less in common with
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itself, with one another, than ever before. When I was born, which wasn't that long ago,
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it was the modern era, it was air travel and air conditioning, electricity. When I was born,
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the United States was about 90% white Christian. It's now less than 40% white Christian. Now,
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you may think that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's a massive change, an unprecedented change,
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really, in a very short period of time. And of course, it's not accidental or organic. That was
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the result of policies put in place to achieve that result, and they did. There are people who
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didn't want a majority white Christian country. Okay, they got what they wanted, but what do they have?
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They have a country with no majority demographically at all. There is no American majority, which is to
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say 51% of people who have something very basic in common. And so what you have is an inherently
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fractured country. Languages, religions, ethnicities, backgrounds, beliefs, too innumerable to catalog.
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And so a country like that, unless unified by something, will split apart, particularly when
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that country is the size of a continent, and is held together by a pretty fragile web of infrastructure,
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air routes and highways. And so unless you are very self-conscious about keeping it together
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physically, but also spiritually, explaining to people why they should have any regard at all,
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much less any obligation to people in, say, the next town, much less the next state.
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Unless you do that self-consciously, unless you inculcate a sense of national identity,
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it will by nature fall apart. That is a physics principle, entropy. It'll blow up unless you hold
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it together. And this has been an untended garden for decades, decades. Nobody in charge of the United
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States over the past, say, 40 years has really tried to articulate why all of us should live
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together on the same continent. There's kind of been an unspoken ethos of America, a kind of gay
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rights technocracy, globo homo. We're all kind of cool with, you know, lifestyles. But that's thin
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gruel in the end. It's also repulsive. But even if you like it, it's not enough to hold people together
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who don't have common beliefs, backgrounds, languages, religions. It's just not. It's pathetic.
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It's rich people politics. It doesn't actually mean anything. It's just an adornment. It's political
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jewelry. It's a bumper sticker. It's not a national identity, and it's not enough to hold your country
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together. And that's why ours is coming apart, because people don't have enough in common.
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So what would happen if it came apart? What would happen if there were a civil war? Well, the first thing
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to know is it would be incredibly violent because wars are by nature violent, and civil wars especially
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so. Violent and crazy. And you do hear from time to time people on both sides, particularly on the
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left, but not only on the left, say, well, I'm just sick of it. I'm just sick of it. You know, I'm ready.
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I'm ready for the fight. People who say that have never seen what that looks like. Anyone who has seen
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what that looks like approaches the entire topic with care and respect, because it's incredibly ugly,
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and its effects are generational. And if you don't believe it, consider our own civil war,
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which ended 160 years ago in 1865, and we're still fighting it. We're still arguing over the
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names of Confederate generals, tearing down their statues, renaming military bases, and stereotyping
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people in the South. That war is still ongoing on some level. It's not a hot war, but it's very
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much a cold war and has been for 160 years. Go to Spain. Their civil war ended in, what, 1939.
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They're still arguing about it. They're still passing legislation about it. The wounds left
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by civil wars do not heal quickly. They last for, I don't know, hundreds of years, and they
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completely remake the country, usually for the worse. So disunity is easy. Rebuilding into a
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single country after a civil war is very, very hard, and sometimes it never even works. There
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are civil wars in effect ongoing on this planet right now for hundreds of years, and they probably
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will never be resolved, because the people fighting each other within national borders don't have
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anything in common. That's the truth. So if you want to prevent a civil war, figure out what everybody,
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or at least the bulk of the people in your nation have in common, and emphasize that. And so what
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would that be in our case? Hard to know. In fact, at this stage, really the only realistic hope
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for national unity is spiritual revival is a place where most Americans wake up to realize that God
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exists and created every single person in the United States of America, and that's what we have
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in common, our humanity. Not because our common humanity is meaningful by itself, but because
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our common humanity comes from God and we're created in His image. And only when people truly realize
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that, well, they hesitate before killing each other. But in the meantime, and we hope that comes soon,
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but in the meantime, there is a step that the government at all levels, federal, state, and local,
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can take to restore at least a sense of calm in the midst of rising chaos. And if you can't
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smell that right now, then you obviously have long COVID because it is redolent. This country is on
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the brink. And in fact, you saw the normal dummies today on social media taking pictures from Portland,
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Oregon. Everything is fine here in Portland. They're liars. Or they're intentionally blind to
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the reality right in front of them, which is the country is degrading. And you can tell by its cities,
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they are falling apart. There's no country in the world with as many ugly, dangerous, dysfunctional,
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dirty cities as we have. It's painful to say that as someone who was born and has always lived here
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and plans to always live here. But that's a fact. And as someone who travels a lot, I can affirm what
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you already know. Our cities are dying. And when your cities die, your country dies. And a lot of
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people don't want to believe this because they moved to rural areas and are hoping to just sort of ignore
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it. I'd be in that category. But it's nevertheless true. When your cities die, your country dies.
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And our cities are dying the kind of death that can't be permanent. They're dying the death born of
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chaos where things just get so crazy and people literally die on the street. Also have sex and
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defecate on the street, but die on the street. And that's intolerable. Chaos is intolerable. People can't
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handle it. So out of chaos comes what? Democracy? Spontaneous order? No. Imposed order? Dictatorship?
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Of course. Each and every time. That's what happens out of chaos. People beg for a strong man.
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There's always someone willing to oblige. And that's exactly what they get.
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And that's exactly what we're going to get unless some kind of order is restored.
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Which is another way of saying restoring order is not a step toward totalitarianism. It may be the
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only way to prevent it. But we need to do it now. Walk through any American city and be honest with
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yourself. Is this working? It's clearly getting worse. What'll it look like in 10 years? The
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differences between states are getting more profound. You wouldn't expect that, actually.
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After the advent of radio and then television, the internet, mass media, the idea was, well,
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regional differences are going away because all of us are united by the media we consume. And that's
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no longer true. And in fact, our media are exacerbating the differences or highlighting them
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anyway. And so a place like South Florida is more different from South California than it's ever been.
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And extrapolate forward five years, eight years, 10 years. Will it be possible to drive from South
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Florida to Southern California? Well, of course it will. It's America. Really? Is it possible to drive
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from Sao Paulo, Brazil to Rio? Not really. Because it's too dangerous. Because it's too chaotic. And
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Brazil, by the way, is not a third world country. Brazil is a real country about the size of the United
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States with a highly educated, impressive population, amazing natural resources, a lot going
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for it. And yet that country, through successive governments, has been unable to restore order to
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its highways. So that's the rule globally. That's the state of nature globally. And that could very
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easily happen here. And we've been moving in that direction for decades. We sit, those of us on the
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East Coast, and look over at the West Coast, my home state of California, and watch its politicians
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declare boycotts against this or that American state. Or say in public, I'm not going to follow
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this federal law. The federal government has no dominion here. We all sort of laugh. Oh, they're so
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crazy. Each one of those actions is a form of insurrection. In fact, every bit as profound as anything
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that happened in Fort Sumter in 1861, the battle that kicked off the Civil War, the deadliest war in
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American history, the one from which we're still recovering, those are acts of insurrection.
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Either you have a federal government with power over the states, or you don't. Either federal laws
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apply to all 50 states, or they don't. And for decades, some states have opted out of federal law,
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and the rest of the states have just sort of laughed at them or tried to ignore it.
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Oh, marijuana is illegal? Well, we're going to have marijuana anyway.
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Oregon decriminalized fentanyl and meth five years ago. If ever there was a time to send federal
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troops into Oregon, it was when Oregon did that, thereby killing thousands and thousands and thousands
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of its citizens and also ignoring federal law. Those are illegal narcotics. We blow up boats full of those
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things. But the state of Oregon decided unilaterally, well, we're just going to effectively legalize
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them. And lots of states have done that, and the feds have done nothing. But now, because the issue
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is immigration, which is a core issue, the federal government is doing something. President Trump
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has announced that he is sending federal troops to the state of Oregon and to the city of Chicago.
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He's not yet sent federal troops to Oregon. There's a court fight that's way too complex and
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not that interesting to explain at the moment, look it up, that has prevented that. But National
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Guardsmen have arrived, mostly from Texas, in the state of Illinois, in Chicago, to force,
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the president says, that city to allow ICE, the Immigration Service, federal immigration officers,
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to do their job, to deport people who are breaking federal law, illegal aliens. And the mayor of
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Chicago and the governor of Illinois have said multiple times, we do not follow federal immigration
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law in the state of Illinois and the city of Chicago. So the president is forcing this issue.
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They're in violation of the law. He says he's working to uphold the law. Here is the response of J.B.
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Pritzker, who is the longtime, six years now, I think, governor of Chicago, to the president's
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deployment of National Guards troops to Illinois. Watch.
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What I know is, in the early days of the Nazi regime, they started slowly but surely taking away
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people's rights. And what we're seeing now is the very same thing. They've gone into cities now with
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the military. Think about that. In your lifetime, have you ever seen anything like that? Where the
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president of the United States is sending military or troops dressed as military, ICE and CBP, in
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camouflage, with automatic weapons, into our major cities? It's wrong. He's such a buffoon. So
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demented is the Democratic Party. That guy thinks he's going to be president. Have you ever seen this
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before us? In American history, has there ever been a single instance of some Nazi in the White
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House sending troops into a state to uphold federal? It's never happened before. It's never
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happened before, except it's happened like a million times. And it's been celebrated almost
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every single time. Beginning at least in September of 1957, three years after the Brown versus Board of
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Education decision came down from the Supreme Court banning segregation in public schools in the
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United States. And in the state of Arkansas, in the capital city, Little Rock, Central High School,
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a high school was not following this Supreme Court decision. And so Dwight David Eisenhower,
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General Eisenhower, commander of American troops in Europe during World War II, the president of the
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United States sent the 101st Airborne to Central High School. The 101st Airborne, not like 300 fat
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guardsmen from San Antonio, but the 101st Airborne with M1s to a high school. And then he left his
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vacation and he went on television to explain why he did it. And remarkably, thanks to the internet,
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we have the tape. Here's part of it. In that city, under the leadership of demagogic extremists,
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disorderly mobs have deliberately prevented the carrying out of proper orders from a federal court.
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Local authorities have not eliminated that violent opposition. And under the law,
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I yesterday issued a proclamation calling upon the mob to disperse.
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Yep, that was General then President Eisenhower, September 1957, sending the 101st Airborne to
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Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, because the racist governor, Orville Faubus, wouldn't let
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black students attend a white high school. And every liberal in America applauded. Shoot them!
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There was one girl in the crowd that day who smirked or scowled at one of the young black ladies being
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escorted into the school. And she shouldn't have done that. It was cruel, obviously. But it wrecked her
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life. That picture, which ran the Arkansas Democrat, September of 1957, wrecked her life, actually. She
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never got out from under that. And that's a measure of how strongly the media, the American establishment,
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and some of the public were behind the president. Look, it's a Supreme Court order. It's the law of
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the land. You can't disobey it, or else we have mob rules. Someone's going to rule, okay? It'll either be
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a dispassionate law that treats everybody equally, or it will be an individual who plays favorites.
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So your choice really is not between no law and law. That's not a choice. Your choice is between
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the rule of law or anarchy, which leads to dictatorship. That's your choice. And Eisenhower,
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in an interesting speech, 13-minute long speech, laid this all out, which is on YouTube. You should
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check it out. He explained why he did it. It wasn't about simply desegregating a high school in Little
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Rock. It was about upholding the basis of the American judicial system, which is to say the
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basis of America itself, which is equal application of the law, fairness under the law. It's a nation
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of laws, not men. And he did that, and it was roundly applauded, and it worked in some ways.
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Public education was totally destroyed nationally, but whatever, the rule of law was upheld.
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Five years later, noting what a popular move this was, apparently, his successor, John F. Kennedy,
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faced a pretty similar situation at the University of Mississippi in Oxford, Mississippi. It was,
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again, September 1962, and there was a lone black student attempting to enroll. His name was James
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Meredith. He's still alive. He's 92 years old. He's a total right-winger, by the way, which is
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interesting. But he was trying to enroll, and the school would not accept his application because he
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was black. And so President Kennedy also sent the military to Ole Miss. How many did he send?
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President Trump has sent three to five hundred guardsmen to Chicago, to a city of millions.
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President Kennedy sent 31,000 U.S. soldiers, U.S. Army soldiers, to a campus of 6,000.
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Yeah, that's more than five armed soldiers per student. 31,000 American troops descended on the
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campus of Ole Miss in Oxford, Mississippi at the very end of September, early October 1962,
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and they shut it down. And they camped on the quad in tents, and they put tanks on the football field,
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and they put machine gun emplacements on the quad. A couple people were shot to death.
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And President Kennedy made a bit overkill, in fact, disgusting overkill, in fact, fascist
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overkill. But the point is, he was applauded for it because there was a federal law emanating from
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a Supreme Court decision, and he was upholding it in the same way that President Trump is currently
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attempting to, in a much less vigorous way, uphold federal immigration law passed by the United
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States Congress, which is core to the country. Who lives here is the main question in any country.
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Who lives there? What is the country? It's the people who live there.
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And immigration law is the way that you regulate that. So if you don't control that,
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you're literally not a country. So that's not an optional law. That is a core law.
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And in the case of Chicago and Portland, but particularly Chicago, shameful. Thousands,
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thousands of people are shot in Chicago every year. Whole parts of Chicago you can't go to. Not
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if you're like me, you can't. It's so racist and violent, you literally can't walk through parts
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of a city that you pay for as a federal taxpayer, as an American. You can't walk through it.
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But several years ago, you'll remember there was a huge debate in Europe. Are there no go zones in
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Paris? Are there parts where, you know, native-born Parisians can't go? Where they're not welcome?
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Oh, that's not true. They said that's not true. But of course, whether or not, of course, it was true.
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But what's even more true is that that's the state of play in the United States and has been
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for generations. Huge parts of a city, huge, you could walk all day through parts of a city that you
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actually can't walk through because they're too dangerous for you. And Chicago is particularly,
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particularly disgraceful in its decline. And you have to guess about that. I'm going to show you
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video in just a second, but you don't have to guess. Look at the numbers. Look at the outflow from
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Chicago. Are people who were born in Chicago staying in Chicago? No, they're fleeing. Go to
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Southwest Florida. Go to dinner in Naples some night and ask, anyone here from Illinois? It's half the
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room. And they're grateful to be gone. That's how dystopian it is on every level, economically,
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primarily. But even on a more basic level, it's just too dangerous. Oh, the freedoms we're losing.
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Really? What about my freedom to walk to the liquor store at midnight without getting killed?
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How about my freedom to stop at a red light without getting shot? That's totally real.
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It's not fake. It's not racist to say that. The mayor of Chicago is an open racist. So irony of
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ironies, here you have a president sending troops facing down a recalcitrant racist local official.
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That does sound like 1962, doesn't it? Except this time, the president in question is not getting
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accolades from the New York Times. He's being called a dictator! A dictator! But just to set the table
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here, to lay down the framework for what we're talking about. Chicago, the city. What does
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Chicago look like? This question is very much like everything else you talk about. Trans surgeries,
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abortion, whatever the topic is, the people promoting it never want you to see what it actually
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looks like. Just an idea. It's a right. It's a theoretical concept. No one wants to see
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what it looks like to cut someone's penis off and create a vagina with a knife. That's what
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it actually is. Our rights in Chicago, what does Chicago actually look like? Well, here's
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Get the fuck out of here! Get the fuck out of here! Get the fuck out of here!
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Get the fuck out of here! Get the fuck out of here! Stop doing that! You got to
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so what's interesting about those videos is who's participating in the rioting in the violence
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there there's the normal assortment of unhappy white young people make up the bulk of antifa
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make up the bulk of the democratic party party's activist wing all the little dsa kids you know
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the children of orthodontists from great deck who are you know reliving the glories of the 60s or
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whatever the weird little polyamorous nihilist freaks who don't see any future for themselves
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economically so just burn it down i mean very very familiar to anyone who's watched this stuff over
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the years a repulsive group a dangerous group a sad group by the way you shouldn't have a lot of young
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people like that in a functioning country they should be looking forward to a brighter future
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getting married having kids doing something useful building something not just destroying
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but they're not so that is recognizable we've seen a lot of that over the past 10 years and we're
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going to see a lot more going forward unfortunately unless someone gets a hold of us now but what was
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new in that video were what looked like immigrants latin american immigrants and if we're going to be
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totally honest about latin american immigration most of our immigration up until pretty recently
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now it seems all south asian but up until very recently most of our immigration overwhelming
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majority of our immigration to this country was from mexico and the central american country some
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south america but mostly mexico salvador honduras nicaragua the the usual latin america close by
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countries in our hemisphere people taking trains and walking to get here and the truth is all illegal
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immigration is bad rapid mass migration is always bad because it makes countries crazy and chaotic
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but it's also true that our latin american immigrants are i mean probably met a million of them good
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people super hard workers and it's true that they're doing jobs that you know you probably did as a kid
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and your kids probably aren't doing those jobs because latin americans are doing them i'm saying this
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if you're white so i think most people who are very opposed to illegal immigration and very opposed
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to mass migration at this point very opposed to any immigration which would include me definitely
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are not mad at latin american immigrants because they're mostly nice people they're christian people
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and they work hard and there's some drunk driving but in general they kind of play by the rules most of them
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the idea that people would get here as immigrants and immediately join a violent street protest
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you know we haven't seen that since about 1905 we haven't that's shocking that's scary if that's
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true and it's scary for the following reason the volume the scale how many immigrants did we get
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during the biden years well no one knows of course people pretend they know but they don't know
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millions and millions and millions and millions and they're entering a job market that is being
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destroyed by technology by ai quantum computing so there was no labor market need for these immigrants
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it's not like america was just dying for more people to do jobs because we have fewer jobs and if you
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don't believe if you got college-aged kids ask them if any of their friends are employed in october
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after graduating no they're not because there are no jobs so unemployment is going up everyone lies
00:26:22.100
about it but it is and we just imported i don't know 10 maybe 10 million new people what are they
00:26:28.160
doing here what was the purpose of that how are they living well they're living of course on the
00:26:34.500
government but why why did they get here why did biden bring them in that's a question that no one's
00:26:45.520
answered and all of a sudden you look at these videos and you see people who are clearly just off the
00:26:50.700
boat or the train and you start to wonder like maybe we were actually invaded maybe our ruling class
00:27:02.400
imported an army and pretended they were migrants looking for a better life
00:27:07.280
and maybe we're about to find out what that means this is really scary because we don't know who lives
00:27:16.220
in this country we don't know the total population of the country and again like the inflation rate like
00:27:20.540
the unemployment rate is something that our leaders lie about constantly but they don't know they don't
00:27:26.280
know they don't know how many people live here and they don't know who they are of course they have
00:27:30.000
biometrics they could find out but they haven't why is that so if all of a sudden these migrants are
00:27:35.720
participating in street protests where they're throwing bricks through the windows of passing cars
00:27:39.520
picking up orange cones and throwing them at minivans you could see this getting completely out of
00:27:45.160
control and it's a reminder of something that is very often true which is civil wars become race wars
00:27:53.020
that is the truth it's true globally civil it was true in latin america lots of the wars in latin
00:27:59.820
america were really between the europeans and the indigenous between the indians and the spanish
00:28:05.320
descendants that's true it's true in el salvador it's true across latin america
00:28:09.760
that could happen here somebody needs to get this under control before it does because chaos
00:28:17.740
breeds chaos it metastasizes that's true in your home and it's true in your nation so getting this
00:28:24.080
stuff under control now before it becomes uncontrollable before it becomes impossible to drive
00:28:29.940
to san diego from miami is absolutely essential and the second thing that would be nice along the
00:28:39.540
way is to stop the degradation of the united states the true degradation now portland oregon
00:28:45.220
is one of the prettiest cities in the world by the way now it's a byword for sadness and death
00:28:52.800
drug use and the homeless but for a very long time portland was considered one of the prettiest places
00:28:59.020
ever a kind of northern san francisco really a really pretty place charming place nice place nice people
00:29:03.960
and the past 20 years it's become thanks again to the influence of a very specific class
00:29:09.280
professional class decadent whites it has become a hellscape it's true under the influence of secular
00:29:20.540
whites npr listening liberals who do not get the credit they deserve for their sinister behavior
00:29:28.600
their death worship it has become the kind of place where no normal person would want to go
00:29:33.660
and it's sad because it is fundamentally so great here's a montage of what portland looks like i am
00:29:39.900
smack dab in the middle of a portland green space everywhere you look trash paraphernalia rotting food
00:29:50.880
and even dead animals this is the reality to the streets this is a symptomatic homeless teenager on the
00:29:56.300
streets on meth for what uh no i don't have clear this is a symptomatic homeless man who's been talking to himself for about two hours downtown portland
00:30:11.300
homeless man behind me has been flashing people the last half hour
00:30:19.560
behind me is a senior citizen smoking meth he's about 72 years old
00:30:26.560
homeless man behind me without a shirt just tried to break that window
00:30:31.280
so nobody is dying in this exact moment but this right here is the deadliest block in portland
00:30:36.500
and where i've seen about 20 people die in the last year behind me is a homeless woman injecting heroin
00:30:45.760
knotted out in front of a business impossible to get in the front door there's a good 15 people on this block
00:30:53.440
about 12 are actively smoking fentanyl two people live indoors but come here for the fentanyl
00:30:59.600
one person didn't appear to be using just kind of hanging out but overall
00:31:03.080
good 95 are actively using drugs on this block in portland
00:31:06.800
all native-born whites of course a 72 year old smoking meth a 72 year old smoking meth on the street
00:31:15.760
who would tolerate that a cruel person a truly cruel and evil person would tolerate that that's not freedom
00:31:22.360
that's bondage that's murder no normal country would tolerate that for one moment
00:31:29.860
and in real countries they don't tolerate that in a downtown
00:31:34.200
they don't do that only in the west do they do that
00:31:48.440
unnatural it is so contrary to the laws of nature
00:31:52.960
it is so prima facie repulsive and mean to allow this that it cannot continue
00:32:00.220
and the fact that it has been allowed to continue tells you everything about the people in charge
00:32:06.540
and what about the citizens it's not just the leaders
00:32:19.560
we're not going to allow 72 year olds to smoke meth on the street
00:32:24.580
they wouldn't cede the moral high ground to some creep from another city
00:32:30.080
all the leaders of these cities are not from those cities
00:32:32.180
they just show up because they feel a power vacuum
00:32:37.560
after you know running for student body president
00:33:00.720
none of those people are from any of these cities either
00:33:06.080
who've shown up to take advantage of human suffering
01:02:51.840
me I agree with you right right look at if it if
01:02:58.800
Guard and J.B. Pritzker should look in the mirror
01:03:00.900
because only a year ago he actually brought in the
01:03:13.040
Convention in Chicago he was more than happy to
01:03:20.560
and work with the Chicago police to fight crime
01:03:23.200
and in our city in in a city where every single
01:03:48.880
Chicago are in the black neighborhoods or black
01:03:58.320
like Pritzker who claim to be on the side of black
01:04:21.360
politicizing a very serious issue he's standing
01:04:33.520
University of Alabama now Pritzker is sort of a
01:04:54.400
migrant problems and it's undeniable that there
01:05:05.760
estimates are that conservatively 10 percent of
01:05:08.320
those are criminals so that means we're talking
01:05:10.080
about over a million criminals that have come to
01:05:14.320
what are they they are gangsters and they're drug dealers
01:05:18.960
they're child sex traffickers they're sex offenders
01:05:23.680
and they're cold-blooded killers and it's amazing
01:05:26.560
and it's mind-boggling to me that J.B. Pritzker would choose
01:05:29.280
this issue because this this motivation is politics
01:05:32.320
he's playing to the crazy left-wing crowd in the
01:05:34.000
Democrat Party but it's really offensive and immoral
01:05:37.040
that he would do something like this and stand in the way of
01:05:41.600
actually following the law because the supremacy clause in our
01:05:45.440
constitution is very clear the federal law is supreme
01:05:49.680
over state law and he should not be resisting or
01:05:57.120
I have a confession to make Tucker when I was governor
01:06:02.640
democratic politicians because he was very wealthy
01:06:05.440
and he asked me to make him director of the Illinois Human
01:06:07.920
Rights Commission so if I'm going to confess to any crime
01:06:12.720
but the near criminal thing I did was actually hiring that guy
01:06:18.240
did he improve human rights in the state of Illinois
01:06:25.120
I worked with him too on the Holocaust Museum in Illinois
01:06:28.240
in Skokie, Illinois and at that time he seemed to be a very
01:06:30.960
reasonable guy but he's he's changed a lot I think and
01:06:35.040
I don't know if it I don't know what the what the cause is
01:06:38.320
other than he's got the desire to run for president be
01:06:41.040
president and notwithstanding President Taft and
01:06:46.560
JB is never going to be president I know the guy he's got no chance
01:06:53.440
in 1912 no that's yeah no I don't I don't think he has much of a chance
01:06:57.600
um it's it's interesting I mean you've been a governor
01:07:00.160
there aren't many people who've been governor of anything and to be governor of
01:07:07.600
of course federal dollars house seats they're dependent on how many people
01:07:11.760
live in your state and Chicago land that area has depopulated
01:07:16.880
people born in Chicago have left in amazing numbers
01:07:21.840
but the population aggregate number hasn't changed that much
01:07:28.480
so if you're it's a little bit like the Catholic Church is always promoting
01:07:31.760
immigration because they they need the the seats people in the seats um
01:07:41.280
like Chicago it's what percent of Chicago wasn't born in the United States huge
01:07:48.480
well no well that's right and and the activists in the Democratic Party
01:07:51.760
there's so many different activist groups in the Democratic Party that
01:07:54.480
push immigration rights and in those sorts of issues and
01:07:57.520
look I think you would agree I heard your your monologue and which was
01:08:01.760
profoundly interesting uh I mean most of the people that have
01:08:05.200
come to America illegally these 14 million that have crashed through our
01:08:08.640
borders because Biden basically said we don't have borders
01:08:11.920
those are good people and they're doing the work that you talked about
01:08:14.720
I agree but see they're victims and you know and you know who victimized them
01:08:18.320
it's these hypocritical Democrats when they started opening up these
01:08:21.120
sanctuary cities basically saying come on in we're getting put a sign up come on
01:08:26.320
into America don't worry about our immigration laws nobody cares and you
01:08:30.240
can come into our city and we'll protect you forget about what the federal law
01:08:33.440
might be which you don't even know anyway but it's no big deal to us come on in
01:08:37.680
and so these are well-intentioned kind-hearted probably innocent people
01:08:42.240
who want to chase the American dream like my immigrant father did when he came
01:08:46.800
over here legally after Congress passed the displaced persons act after World War II
01:08:51.200
they came here looking for an opportunity because they're committed to their
01:08:54.720
families they want to build a better life yeah and that's the great story of
01:08:57.920
America in immigration the thing that's missing is but you got to come legally
01:09:02.000
and they were invited to come here illegally by the Democrats
01:09:05.920
Biden didn't secure the borders and the Democrats opened up sanctuary cities and
01:09:11.920
and with all their rhetoric basically we're saying we're saying all these people
01:09:15.440
come up here and the reality is no country can sustain 14 million people
01:09:19.840
who are here unlawfully and what President Trump is doing is absolutely necessary to save our country
01:09:25.120
and hopefully down the road maybe there can be a way where the two parties can come together and
01:09:29.680
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01:09:33.040
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write the immigration laws i mean they were written by congress passed by congress i don't he hasn't even
01:13:30.080
signed any immigration law they have nothing to do with him they pre-exist his presidency so he's
01:13:34.800
trying to enforce existing law and they are abetting breaking that law so it does seem like
01:13:44.720
insurrection to me i mean if if a state won't obey like a core federal law like immigration law then
01:13:51.280
where does that where does that leave us honestly like how can we share a union
01:13:55.920
no your questions well uh you probably raised you know you talked about civil war and you know you
01:14:04.000
think back to the days leading up to our civil war and i'd like to think we're not even close to that
01:14:08.880
but you're right to raise it because you could see how there's this slippery slope that we're going down
01:14:13.840
and you know uh it was the defiance of federal law lincoln getting elected and different states decided
01:14:20.400
we don't want to be under that election with that president so we're leaving and before that
01:14:25.920
they were defying federal law and uh we saw what happened now you have a situation where
01:14:33.520
not only has president trump been given a mandate by the american people to do what he's doing
01:14:37.360
but you also have a situation where we know that it works when there's cooperation so the success
01:14:42.320
that president trump has had with the national guard in washington dc uh was in part because the
01:14:47.840
mayor there bowser was willing to accept that and work with him and you know they can get into
01:14:53.680
the nuances oh well that's a federal city versus a you know a city like chicago but if you're the
01:14:58.880
governor of the state of illinois or the mayor of chicago you have an obligation to your citizens to
01:15:04.400
keep them safe and the national guard coming into chicago with all the crime we have and the need to support
01:15:11.920
ice in its efforts to follow the law and do what's necessary to follow the law you would think that
01:15:18.960
a governor irrespective of party would welcome that support and thank the president and then take credit
01:15:24.800
for the success of protecting american citizens and american taxpayers but our politics has gotten so
01:15:30.720
crazy and the democratic party is such a crazy party now with the lunatic fringe becoming the mainstream
01:15:36.240
and guys who are somewhat reasonable like jb pritzker being transformed he's what he's trying to become
01:15:42.240
is basically aoc and drag okay he's trying to like get into her politics as opposed to sort of being
01:15:50.640
the bill clinton type democrat that supposedly he used to be and the democrat party doesn't seem to have
01:15:55.520
room for the bill clinton democrats anymore the jfk democrats anymore uh this is a party that's you
01:16:01.280
know been taken over by that left-wing radical fringe that is no longer the radical fringe it's now
01:16:06.080
the radical mainstream and it's a socialist communist kind of party and it's a it's a party and our
01:16:11.760
governor again that you know is basically siding with mob violence and anarchy and chaos over you
01:16:18.160
know the law the rule of law law enforcement and those who have to enforce the rule of law and that's
01:16:24.160
what this conflict is now and that's why it's a seminal moment in our history and it's why i think
01:16:28.080
president trump is going to go down probably 150 years from now because historians can't be objective
01:16:32.960
as one of our great presidents because i do believe he's going to be successful in this
01:16:36.400
and solve this problem because he has the law on his side i mean if if he doesn't solve it then
01:16:43.040
we're in for disunion ahead i mean i i don't i don't see how you can have in a state with no internal
01:16:49.120
in a country with no internal passports how you can have some states following immigration law and
01:16:54.000
others ignoring it it doesn't work i mean it just practically doesn't work so i really hope it can
01:17:00.160
be solved do you think in the democratic party which obviously you know a lot about
01:17:04.080
there are any candidates on the horizon who are reform candidates like bill clinton in 92 like okay
01:17:11.440
we went too crazy we need to pull back a little bit and reorient around america's interests who even
01:17:16.800
say words like that do you see any of those you know i think the nearest thing to that would be
01:17:22.320
senator fetterman in pennsylvania the guy that wears a hoodie yeah he seems to be sensible and willing to
01:17:27.600
find common ground to work and and support traditional things that you know that you know
01:17:32.080
that all americans have historically been for what the old democratic party used to be for so i think
01:17:37.280
there is at least one low voice in that party um you know i haven't completely written myself off as
01:17:42.880
a democrat believe it or not i mean i can't begin to tell you you know i'm a trumpocrat i i say that
01:17:47.520
openly and i'm so proud to be that and grateful to president trump personally but frankly put that
01:17:51.520
aside i think he's being he's a great president a necessary president and he's and he's doing things that
01:17:56.560
that must be done to to save our country and then make it great again first we have to save our
01:18:00.880
country um but no i you know the hatred and the vitriol on the on the far left democrat side
01:18:08.160
is palpable i live in a neighborhood you know that used to vote for me a lot and uh i was out on the
01:18:14.400
street the other day tucker i came back from downtown chicago and some guy clearly he was a man he was
01:18:20.240
muscular and i think he was a man muscular and then he had long hair but he had a beard a full beard
01:18:26.160
but what threw me was he was wearing a dress and combat boots and he walked by and he took you
01:18:31.520
know took a double take recognized it was me then he gives me the finger and uh my first reaction was
01:18:37.200
okay you know a guy like that gives me the finger i'm gonna you know probably give him an f you or give
01:18:40.880
him the finger back but then i wasn't sure whether it was a man or a woman and i'm trying not to swear
01:18:44.480
at women so i had to hold my tongue but that's sort of the element that's now a large loud voice within
01:18:51.600
the democratic party and thank you for the work that you're doing is because i love our country
01:18:55.840
and i was saying what my government's done to me i love my country i've lived the american dream myself
01:19:00.240
there's no place like america and this is the last best hope best hope on earth as lincoln said a true
01:19:05.680
and a great illinoisan um but thank you for the work that you're doing because i still i believe and i
01:19:10.640
know you do too that that forgotten american the great vast silent majority that nixon talked about
01:19:15.520
and and and changed american politics it still exists it's what elected trump last november people
01:19:22.240
with common sense believe in god love our country don't burn the flag don't like people who burn the
01:19:29.040
flag you know believe in the traditional values of our country they still make up most of the americans
01:19:34.880
and i still believe actually most of rank-and-file democratic voters if those democrat voters can get
01:19:40.880
over the fact that they've been lifelong democrats because it's hard to you know change your
01:19:44.960
love for your team they can get over that and they are they're increasingly going to leave the
01:19:49.680
democratic party as they're doing and that democrat party is going to increasingly become a party of
01:19:54.800
crazy left-wingers and whoever gets the nomination whoever the republic candidate is against them in two
01:19:59.280
years um i think he's gonna have a long hard chance hard time to be able to win i think our country
01:20:04.880
is waking up and i think president trump has been at the vanguard of that and um i'm not the only
01:20:09.920
trump book right out there democrat for trump you're definitely the most articulate rod bogojevich
01:20:15.680
thank you so much for joining us i really appreciate it good to talk to you again tucker thank you great
01:20:20.880
talk to you thank you and thanks for joining us tonight as the fourth installment of our live
01:20:26.560
experiment continues we'll be back next wednesday at 6 eastern thanks a lot
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