The Tucker Carlson Show - “I’ll Win With or Without You,” Teamsters Union President Reveals Kamala Harris’s Famous Last Words

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00:00:28.620 I wondered, I sat and watched you in the stands at the RNC, and I don't think I've ever seen anybody give a speech at a convention, a very well-received speech, without endorsing the candidate.

00:00:40.740 How did you convince Trump to do that?

00:00:42.840 Well, I think Trump and I have a good relationship.

00:00:45.600 We've got a mutual respect for each other.

00:00:47.440 Yeah, absolutely.

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00:01:16.380 Here's the episode.

00:01:17.000 And, you know, I think he knew the struggles that we had with our membership.

00:01:22.660 We've got 1.3 million members, so, you know, that membership is made up of Republican, Democrats, and independents.

00:01:28.760 And, you know, we knew all along where our membership was trending, and we had to do a lot of polling and everything else.

00:01:35.540 And we had a lot of communication during the campaign leading up to the RNC.

00:01:41.120 So I think he knew the spot that we were in if we just came out and did a straight endorsement.

00:01:46.400 But we really couldn't do that because our process, we interviewed every single candidate that from, you know, the people that entered the race early to the last two standing, which was Trump and Harris.

00:01:59.600 And we interviewed them in a roundtable with rank-and-file members in our general executive board.

00:02:05.320 And we provided each candidate with 16 of the same questions.

00:02:09.940 And, you know, Trump was, you know, like all of them, they weren't strong on some of our issues, and no fault of their own, because I don't think deep down they understood what our actual issues are.

00:02:21.840 But at the end of the day, I think he knew that by us representing, speaking at the RNC, representing the Teamsters Union, that he was actually showing America, the American workers, that, you know, he was for labor.

00:02:37.360 He was for working people.

00:02:38.780 So, and my message was clear.

00:02:40.440 You were there.

00:02:41.060 I saw you standing up with him.

00:02:43.580 And my message didn't endorse the Republicans, Democrats, or independents.

00:02:47.540 It was clearly about what the American worker needs from the administration.

00:02:51.680 I just couldn't believe they let you do that.

00:02:53.280 Yeah, you know what's funny about that?

00:02:54.180 I mean, it's a political convention.

00:02:55.300 The whole point is to nominate this guy.

00:02:57.220 Right.

00:02:57.820 But, you know, I got to tell you this.

00:02:59.380 It's funny.

00:03:00.800 So, leading up to the RNC, we're writing our speech, and we're going through it.

00:03:06.500 And, you know, we're editing it internally, all of us.

00:03:09.360 Great team.

00:03:10.760 And we submit it to the RNC, the folks.

00:03:14.680 I think we submitted probably a week prior.

00:03:16.700 And we submit the speech.

00:03:18.200 And some of the underlings in the RNC didn't like what we had to say.

00:03:23.400 I bet.

00:03:23.940 And so, they wanted to change it, modify it, and everything else.

00:03:28.300 And we took a position.

00:03:29.140 I took a position.

00:03:29.920 Well, I'm not going then.

00:03:31.700 That's the way.

00:03:32.360 So, we reached out to Susie Wiles and told her, look, we are not modifying this speech.

00:03:39.600 And she's like, I don't think you should.

00:03:41.340 She says, why don't you call DJ T and tell him?

00:03:45.880 So, I called him on his cell phone.

00:03:48.480 And I said, listen, I said, they want us to modify this speech.

00:03:52.700 He goes, I haven't seen it. 0.99

00:03:53.940 He goes, I don't give a shit what you say. 0.99

00:03:55.800 Do whatever you want, Sean. 1.00

00:03:56.960 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:03:57.900 So, 100% true.

00:04:01.220 Oh, I believe you.

00:04:02.000 So, when we went there, I mean, obviously, we were there.

00:04:05.080 I'm just not going to hear him say that.

00:04:06.680 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:04:07.560 So, he actually said, say whatever the fuck you want to say. 0.99

00:04:11.000 That's exactly what he said. 0.99

00:04:12.920 And when we went there, it was great.

00:04:15.120 It was a home run.

00:04:16.180 And I think part of the thought process from the Republican side was, look, if we get the general president of the biggest, strongest union in the country,

00:04:27.300 that's going to signal to every working person that how committed, you know, the Republican Party is, the opportunity the Republican Party has to prove that they want to represent American workers.

00:04:39.540 Listen to them.

00:04:40.000 It's just, I mean, that is a window into what Trump is actually like.

00:04:45.660 That's why I'm laughing because it's just so perfect.

00:04:47.740 And I, you know, whatever you think of that, I happen to love it.

00:04:50.120 But that is never done in politics.

00:04:52.180 You never get a candidate saying whatever you want.

00:04:55.340 What?

00:04:55.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:56.700 It was hilarious.

00:04:58.320 But conversely, you know, we asked to go to the DNC at the same time. 0.96

00:05:02.860 And you know, and we know that if we ever submitted that speech to the DNC, they would have shit a brick. 0.96

00:05:10.320 They would have been horrified. 0.88

00:05:12.120 Because the people that we were talking about, the corporate elitists and everybody else, those are the people that the Democrats have fallen in love with.

00:05:19.200 Those are the people I serve instead of the middle class the way it used to be 50 years ago. 0.96

00:05:23.240 So we know that we would have got tremendous pushback.

00:05:26.400 Did you go?

00:05:26.640 I'm sorry.

00:05:27.060 I don't even know.

00:05:27.640 Did you go to the Democratic?

00:05:28.740 No, we didn't.

00:05:29.280 We didn't get invited.

00:05:30.900 That is great.

00:05:32.160 That's even a bigger story than speaking at the RNC is not getting invited to the DNC.

00:05:36.240 Yeah, well, that was, you know, that was the vindictive side of the Democratic Party.

00:05:39.360 And, you know, I'm a Democrat.

00:05:41.320 But, you know, I'm going to call balls the strikes. 0.99

00:05:43.460 You know, they haven't done shit for us. 0.97

00:05:44.680 And when we didn't get invited, it's a funny story because two weeks prior to us speaking at the RNC, you know, we didn't hide from the fact that we were going to speak there. 0.76

00:05:55.220 Listen, I tell everybody all the time, if I get a venue to highlight how valuable our organization is, the TeamCist Union, to the entire country, I will take any and all venues to do that.

00:06:04.420 So two weeks prior to that, Chuck Schumer asked me to meet with him.

00:06:10.840 And I meet with him.

00:06:12.500 And he wants $550,000 for the Super PAC for the Senate races.

00:06:16.060 No problem.

00:06:17.100 And I said, look, I'm speaking at the RNC.

00:06:18.880 He's like, oh, great job.

00:06:20.020 You know, that's good.

00:06:20.980 You should represent your members. 0.98

00:06:23.200 Day after I give that speech at the RNC, he gets on Twitter and starts talking shit about my speech. 0.65

00:06:30.380 Remember who fixed your pensions? 1.00

00:06:31.980 And I'm like, this guy's a fucking joke. 0.99

00:06:34.420 Like, why would you do this? 0.99

00:06:35.580 Two weeks prior, you're telling me when you're taking a $550,000 Super PAC check, you know, that's great.

00:06:42.360 It's great for your members.

00:06:43.380 You know, that's good. 1.00

00:06:44.680 And then you want to get on Twitter like a tough guy and, you know, throw shit out there. 0.99

00:06:48.320 Why didn't he just call you? 0.99

00:06:49.700 Well, because they don't like confrontation.

00:06:51.240 They don't want to hear the truth.

00:06:52.940 When he said, you know, we fixed your pensions, that gave me an opportunity to say, you're the same guy in the same party that 40 years ago embraced, endorsed,

00:07:03.260 and signed off on deregulation in the trucking industry, which we lost 400,000 jobs in 1980.

00:07:10.500 Ted Kennedy put the bill forward.

00:07:12.640 Joe Biden signed off on it as a senator or as a representative.

00:07:17.660 And...

00:07:18.060 No, senator.

00:07:18.860 Yeah, senator, right?

00:07:19.740 So they said, we fixed your pension.

00:07:22.980 And I said, yeah, you did fix a pension.

00:07:24.620 And I use this scenario all the time.

00:07:26.380 I'm like, I played street hockey in my neighborhood, 1980.

00:07:29.580 I broke my mother's window.

00:07:31.520 For 40 years, she's asked me to fix her window.

00:07:34.440 And I finally fix it 40 years later.

00:07:36.860 Should I look for accolades for a problem that I helped create?

00:07:40.840 Yeah.

00:07:41.020 And so we went back and forth.

00:07:43.180 It even got to a point, he showed up in our building prior to the election.

00:07:47.880 And we had a bipartisan meeting in the hallway of the IBT.

00:07:54.420 And it was attended by a lot of Republican senators, a lot of Republican congressmen.

00:07:58.780 Because look, our goal is to work across the aisle to solve problems.

00:08:02.660 Yeah.

00:08:02.840 He walks in with his, you know, the Capitol Police, who do a great job, walks in and walks in late.

00:08:08.900 And he sticks his crooked finger in my face.

00:08:11.680 And he says, I fixed your pensions.

00:08:15.100 I said, you should have.

00:08:16.140 You broke them.

00:08:17.780 And we get into it pretty hard.

00:08:20.440 And, you know, he starts like yelling at me.

00:08:22.480 I go, buddy, listen, there's only one guy that can yell at me.

00:08:25.220 We buried him 12 years ago.

00:08:26.980 I go, and I go, you want to get into this right here, right now?

00:08:29.380 We'll get into it.

00:08:30.100 You're talking about your dad.

00:08:30.860 Yeah, I'm talking about my dad, right?

00:08:32.840 And so Schumer's like, we fixed your pension.

00:08:35.260 I'm like, yeah.

00:08:36.240 I'm going to name the things you haven't done for us.

00:08:38.520 When our members were on strike at the rail, you didn't support us.

00:08:41.720 You didn't put a letter of support in there.

00:08:43.540 When we were fighting with UPS in the middle of the street, you wouldn't sign off on a support letter.

00:08:47.940 When we took on Amazon, which we're taking on now, you wouldn't support our efforts on Amazon.

00:08:52.580 I said, you want me to keep going?

00:08:54.600 Because you can tell me what you've done, the one thing you've done for me and my union and my members.

00:08:59.040 But I'm going to tell you all the things you haven't done for us.

00:09:01.260 And then, you know, he's like, well, I really want this relationship.

00:09:04.540 I'm like, we're done.

00:09:06.060 We're done.

00:09:07.540 And that was it.

00:09:08.360 He left.

00:09:08.960 Wow.

00:09:09.360 And then I'm working out at the building on election day.

00:09:12.600 This is great.

00:09:13.220 And look, I'm not a person that says, I told you so, or whatever the case is.

00:09:18.020 He calls, my phone rings.

00:09:19.940 There's only two people that call me from a private line.

00:09:22.780 Sometimes it's a commander in chief and someone else.

00:09:26.160 So phone rings and I answer it.

00:09:28.340 And it's Chuck Schumer.

00:09:29.080 And like dejected tone.

00:09:31.780 It was, you know, hi, Sean.

00:09:34.580 I'm like, hey, how you doing?

00:09:36.200 He goes, good.

00:09:36.880 Chuck Schumer.

00:09:37.460 I'm like, okay, what do you want?

00:09:39.420 He's like, I just want to thank you for supporting, you know, the super pack.

00:09:42.720 I go, that was like four months ago.

00:09:45.300 And he says, oh, yeah, I just want to thank you.

00:09:47.460 And I'm like, okay, great.

00:09:48.420 It was like a dejected tone.

00:09:50.580 And I was like, I got off that, I got off the stand master and I'm like, this is crazy.

00:09:55.480 But it is what it is.

00:09:56.560 Why was he doing that, I wonder?

00:09:57.680 I have no idea.

00:09:58.860 No idea.

00:10:00.220 Do you think he knew they were going to get creamed?

00:10:01.620 Oh, I think he knew they were getting crushed that day.

00:10:03.800 Yeah.

00:10:04.460 And, you know, I don't know how people, you know, so astute, been around so long in politics,

00:10:10.780 couldn't see that coming.

00:10:12.940 Was it obvious to you?

00:10:14.000 Oh, it was very obvious to us, yes.

00:10:16.260 Just by the polling we were doing.

00:10:17.760 And look, the one thing that we do, and this is a gauge that I pride our leadership on,

00:10:23.360 we don't sit in our office and, you know, research all these polls, research, you know,

00:10:29.480 all these opinions.

00:10:31.480 The opinions that matter to me are the 1.3 million members that we represent.

00:10:35.980 My general secretary and treasurer and myself are out every single day in workplaces,

00:10:41.500 talking to members, asking them their opinions, find out exactly what their struggles are in

00:10:47.260 the workplace, and then you get into always into politics, you know, this presidential

00:10:51.440 election.

00:10:52.820 And just the one-on-one conversations.

00:10:54.520 We're in three different states three times a week and multiple industries that we represent.

00:10:59.340 And when you're talking to people, we weren't just talking to people in blue states, we

00:11:03.060 were talking to people in red states all over the country.

00:11:04.980 And we knew, just from, you know, the rhetoric out there from our members that, you know,

00:11:11.100 they weren't voting Democrat.

00:11:12.840 And that's when we started designing this, you know, real extensive program and that included

00:11:18.000 the rank and file members.

00:11:19.380 So, we knew that was coming.

00:11:20.800 Can you, for people who don't know, just give us an overview of the Team Search 1.3 million

00:11:24.740 members.

00:11:25.320 What do they do?

00:11:26.000 So, we represent 1.3 million members.

00:11:28.360 The easiest way to understand it is we represent airline pilots to zookeepers and everybody

00:11:33.140 in between.

00:11:34.140 We represent UPS as our largest employer.

00:11:36.480 We have 340,000 members at UPS.

00:11:39.780 We represent the grocery industry, warehousing.

00:11:42.900 We represent airline pilots.

00:11:45.080 We represent airline mechanics.

00:11:46.860 We represent motion picture.

00:11:48.700 We represent trade shows.

00:11:50.160 We represent public sector.

00:11:51.400 We represent healthcare.

00:11:52.640 So, we represent everybody from A to Z.

00:11:56.000 So, the name comes from, guys, you drove teams of horses.

00:12:00.240 Yeah, teams of horses.

00:12:01.120 We were predominantly a truck driving union.

00:12:03.240 Yes.

00:12:04.380 Started out with horse and buggy and through evolution and technology, I was truck drivers.

00:12:11.460 Deregulation, you know, crushed the trucking industry in the 80s.

00:12:14.800 We've been able to rebuild and organize over the last two and a half years.

00:12:18.700 But because of deregulation, we lost 400,000 teams to jobs.

00:12:22.820 Wow.

00:12:24.000 Back in the 80s, yes.

00:12:25.160 But, you know, we're a real progressive union.

00:12:28.060 We don't have all our eggs in one basket right now.

00:12:31.560 We're trying to organize Amazon, which has about 400,000 employees, both direct and this DSP model that they masquerade as not being direct employees.

00:12:43.240 It's a joint employer.

00:12:44.060 So, we're pursuing them right now.

00:12:46.760 And we also are organizing in the cannabis industry where there's 425,000 W-2 employees.

00:12:54.160 The trimmer.

00:12:54.600 Nationwide.

00:12:55.520 Cannabis.

00:12:56.440 The guys who trim marijuana.

00:12:58.220 Well, cultivate it.

00:12:59.560 Yeah.

00:12:59.840 Warehouse it.

00:13:00.680 Grow it.

00:13:01.500 And sell it.

00:13:02.620 And soon it'll be transported.

00:13:03.740 So, what percentage now of your members drive?

00:13:08.060 I would probably say 45% of our members.

00:13:10.500 Really?

00:13:10.760 So, what's that?

00:13:11.000 Between UPS.

00:13:11.820 I mean, UPS is our largest employer.

00:13:14.100 We've got some freight.

00:13:14.960 We've got DHL.

00:13:17.340 Yeah, probably closer to 50%.

00:13:19.440 How'd you get involved?

00:13:20.980 I'm a fourth generation Teamster from Boston, Local 25.

00:13:24.760 My dad was a rank and file member.

00:13:27.300 My grandfather was a truck driver.

00:13:29.520 My great-grandfather came from Ireland.

00:13:31.800 He was a Teamster as well.

00:13:33.660 What did he do?

00:13:34.540 Drove a truck or a horse and buggy, I should say, probably.

00:13:37.340 Really?

00:13:37.980 Yeah.

00:13:38.980 And what'd your dad do?

00:13:39.780 My dad worked construction and then worked motion pictures.

00:13:44.880 What was he like?

00:13:45.820 What was he like?

00:13:46.580 Yeah. 0.96

00:13:47.080 Oh, he was crazy.

00:13:49.180 Hilarious cartoon character. 0.87

00:13:52.360 Burly guy, Charlestown guy.

00:13:56.500 Hard working, worked two or three jobs.

00:13:59.500 You know, just a real family person.

00:14:02.060 Was a street guy as well.

00:14:03.480 You know, he was a very quiet, quiet man, but he was true blue to the union.

00:14:10.060 Always working, making certain that, you know, he put food on the table.

00:14:14.160 Great guy and died too young.

00:14:16.320 We had a lot of fun with him.

00:14:17.060 But I had a great relationship with my dad because I went right to work in the union when I was 18.

00:14:21.380 Doing what?

00:14:21.840 I worked in a rigging company, crane company, Shaughnessy and Ahern, one of the biggest crane companies.

00:14:27.180 Yeah.

00:14:27.320 I was always fascinated with the team says, you know, my dad was my best friend and I have an older brother and a younger brother and they're both in the team says union.

00:14:37.040 But I was the one that always really liked trucks.

00:14:39.720 I love tractor trailers.

00:14:40.880 I love driving them.

00:14:42.240 But I loved going to the Sunday meeting when I was eight or nine years old.

00:14:45.440 I would go to local 25 in Charlestown.

00:14:47.920 Both my parents grew up there.

00:14:49.280 My mother grew up in the projects.

00:14:50.440 And I just remember being fascinated by the camaraderie of the team says union.

00:14:56.220 I remember watching Billy McCarthy, who was our general president, on a local 25.

00:15:01.180 Eventually, I just remember him being larger than life.

00:15:04.240 And the team says union was so prevalent in my family.

00:15:07.100 I'm like, you know, I'd go to school with these kids.

00:15:09.500 I want to be a lawyer.

00:15:10.180 I want to be a doctor.

00:15:10.900 I'm like, I want to be a truck driver for the team says union.

00:15:12.900 And that's everything I want to do was just because I learned it around the dinner table.

00:15:17.020 I was so proud because everything we had in our entire life was because of the union.

00:15:22.080 And that organization, through the good times and the bad times, there were a lot of bad times.

00:15:26.340 That organization never waived on my family.

00:15:28.900 And I'm like, if I ever get an opportunity, this is what I want to do.

00:15:31.600 And I just moved up through the ranks.

00:15:34.300 It's such an antique world you're describing, such an American archetype. 0.96

00:15:38.800 It's like out of a movie.

00:15:40.080 I just hit my 34th year.

00:15:42.900 But I wonder, I mean, one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you was, you know, well, for a lot of reasons, to get your political analysis, but also just that the life that you grew up in.

00:15:56.080 I just wonder if that still exists.

00:15:57.420 It just seems so thoroughly American, thoroughly New England.

00:16:01.140 Yeah, I mean, I think we're on an anomaly now.

00:16:04.060 I mean, I have friends at my age, you know, that went to college.

00:16:07.280 And look, I did very well by the union.

00:16:09.440 I always worked.

00:16:10.060 I worked seven days a week, 12, 13 hours a day, got laid off, hustled, whatever needed to come.

00:16:14.580 Did you not go to college?

00:16:15.580 I went for a semester.

00:16:16.820 I played football at UMass for one semester.

00:16:19.760 But, you know, I have my friends that went to school.

00:16:23.000 And, you know, they graduated, early 90s, chased a dot-com era.

00:16:28.700 Yeah.

00:16:28.900 And, you know, they chased a lot of money.

00:16:31.660 You know, some of them were in, you know, insurance, whatever, but they were switching jobs every four or five years.

00:16:36.500 There was no continuity.

00:16:38.060 And they may have made a little bit more money.

00:16:40.240 I had a four-year head start on a lot of these people.

00:16:43.500 And I bought houses and everything else.

00:16:45.540 But, you know, they were always switching jobs.

00:16:48.600 And I remember an old-timer saying to me, stay with the union, stay the course.

00:16:54.700 It's not a marathon.

00:16:56.120 It's not a sprint.

00:16:56.880 It's a marathon.

00:16:58.180 And today, like, the same friends, you know, they take a snapshot of their lives.

00:17:02.820 They get the big houses, two SUVs, but they don't have pensions.

00:17:06.640 They're paying 75% towards their medical.

00:17:09.580 Yeah.

00:17:10.040 It looks great.

00:17:10.880 The snapshot looks great.

00:17:12.040 They're in serious debt.

00:17:12.820 Right.

00:17:13.040 And it's never going to change for us.

00:17:16.140 You know, like you said, it's old school, old school values.

00:17:18.580 You learn that around the dinner table.

00:17:20.640 Don't extend over your means.

00:17:22.800 You know, stay true blue.

00:17:24.640 It's going to pay off at some point in time.

00:17:26.660 And I think, to your point, you know, there's not much of that left anymore.

00:17:30.840 We've got to kind of switch gears and do a revisit.

00:17:34.100 No, there's not.

00:17:34.580 I mean, I'm 55.

00:17:35.600 I remember that.

00:17:36.420 I'm never part of that world, but I remember it really well, especially in New England.

00:17:40.060 Absolutely.

00:17:40.640 I mean.

00:17:41.320 Willie Bulger was running politics.

00:17:43.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:44.020 Did you know him?

00:17:44.420 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:17:44.980 I knew Billy Bulger, yeah.

00:17:46.040 So, where my father and my mother are from Charlestown, it's a white, you know, Irish Catholic community.

00:17:54.640 Then over the bridge was the North End.

00:17:56.560 Yeah.

00:17:56.900 And then you had South Boston, which was, you know, white Irish Catholic.

00:18:02.520 The colony projects.

00:18:03.780 Yeah, old colony projects.

00:18:04.940 My mother grew up in the Bunker Hill projects.

00:18:07.260 So, yeah, we were familiar with that whole, the whole Bulger tale, because some of it's 0.60

00:18:12.720 not true.

00:18:14.160 But, yeah, I mean, they were pretty powerful people, Billy Bulger.

00:18:17.140 My father's from Boston, and when they, and was a totally legitimate or semi-legitimate

00:18:21.320 person, great man.

00:18:22.580 But when they caught Whitey Bulger, I think in Santa Monica in an apartment, my father, 0.99

00:18:27.400 who was like 78 by this point, called me on the phone and said, fuck, they caught him. 0.99

00:18:32.060 I was like, gee, Pop, you're really rooting for Whitey Bulger? 0.98

00:18:34.620 Yeah, I was.

00:18:36.500 I was like, okay.

00:18:38.080 Well, they caught him, but the government knew where he was the whole time.

00:18:40.560 I'm sure that's true.

00:18:41.740 There's no doubt.

00:18:42.840 Talked to my dad about it.

00:18:44.120 It was funny, though.

00:18:45.360 It was like.

00:18:45.700 They didn't, the government didn't want him to be found.

00:18:48.600 I believe that.

00:18:49.640 It's 110%.

00:18:50.740 Have you talked to my dad about this?

00:18:51.840 It sounds like.

00:18:51.940 No, but I mean, growing up there, it's funny.

00:18:53.840 You know, when you, when you grow up in that area, you know, and you talk to people around

00:18:59.020 the country, you know, they'll always say something, you know, obviously, Whitey Bulger 0.91

00:19:03.460 or whatever.

00:19:05.160 He was not a good guy.

00:19:06.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:07.140 He was not a good guy.

00:19:08.080 No one should ever idolize that guy.

00:19:10.480 But, you know, the government, you know, he was bought and paid for and, you know, he

00:19:16.380 hurt a lot of families, you know.

00:19:18.240 He did, but it was more complicated than just, you know, criminal versus G-Man.

00:19:22.180 I mean, the FBI was involved.

00:19:23.520 Oh, they were.

00:19:24.020 On the dark side.

00:19:24.760 They were knee deep in it.

00:19:26.380 Literally.

00:19:26.920 Knee deep in it.

00:19:27.340 I mean, the agent went to prison for it.

00:19:28.520 So it's not a guess.

00:19:29.300 Absolutely.

00:19:30.340 And, you know, it's just funny because growing up, you know, in the 80s and 90s, you know,

00:19:36.080 you, you had a, you had a front row seat, you know, to what was going on.

00:19:40.580 Steve, the rifleman, Flemmy.

00:19:41.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:42.460 Those guys are all not good guys, you know, not good guys.

00:19:45.240 And plus they told on their own, hey, it's one thing if you want to be, if you want to

00:19:49.400 be a criminal, like, hey, that's, that's your thing.

00:19:52.000 I wanted to go to work, right?

00:19:53.480 I want to, I want to provide for my family.

00:19:55.560 Someone wants to be a criminal, give it 110%, but don't tell.

00:19:58.520 When you get caught, don't tell on, don't tell on your friends.

00:20:01.200 Don't tell on your friends and don't blame everybody else.

00:20:03.860 Everything I've ever done wrong in my life, it's been because of me.

00:20:06.700 Yeah, me too.

00:20:07.520 I haven't blamed anybody.

00:20:08.820 You know, it is what it is.

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00:23:41.880 You've always wanted to be part of something bigger than yourself.

00:23:46.660 You live for experience and lead by example.

00:23:52.180 You want the most out of life and realize what you're looking for is already in you.

00:23:58.820 Do you feel that maybe you're out of step with the modern world with those attitudes?

00:24:17.720 No, I think the modern world's difficult to navigate through.

00:24:21.720 But like anything else, being brought up the way we were brought up with the values we learned

00:24:26.100 growing up in the industries that we worked in, I think it's more valuable today to have

00:24:32.080 that thought process of old school ways with modern society.

00:24:40.500 Because, you know, everybody falls in love with anything that's convenient that doesn't take

00:24:45.760 a lot of effort, if that makes sense.

00:24:47.940 Of course.

00:24:48.400 Where, you know, we grew up where you had to, you know, provide a lot of effort to make changes

00:24:55.480 and to actually be successful.

00:24:57.060 And I think that's important.

00:24:58.540 People have to understand the value of working hard, the value of maybe having some, you know,

00:25:04.780 struggles in your life because it's going to make you the person you are further down the road.

00:25:08.820 You're going to actually appreciate things more.

00:25:11.880 So, no, I don't think that's a hindrance at all.

00:25:14.380 I think it's a strength, to be honest with you.

00:25:16.680 What did you do at O'Shaughnessy and O'Hearn?

00:25:18.780 O'Shaughnessy and O'Hearn, I was a rigger.

00:25:20.760 I was a steward.

00:25:21.920 What does that mean?

00:25:22.540 So, a rigger is, you know, dealing with cranes, hoisting, moving heavy equipment, hauling

00:25:27.780 heavy equipment around on tractor trails.

00:25:29.880 Every day was different.

00:25:31.280 So, I always tell people, you know, what is a rigger? 0.99

00:25:33.920 I'm like, well, it's like putting, you know, five pounds of shit in a two-pound bag and 0.99

00:25:38.980 making it look good. 0.99

00:25:40.340 And that's what we did.

00:25:41.220 You've got to stuff it in there.

00:25:41.880 Like once, you know, for a Sunday, we could be hoisting air-conditioned units by helicopter

00:25:46.540 onto a building in Boston.

00:25:48.580 And then the next day, we're moving a piece of art with a crane over the Museum of Fine

00:25:54.420 Arts.

00:25:54.760 And the next day, I might be hauling an oversized crane somewhere.

00:25:58.540 So, every day was different.

00:25:59.780 You had to use your mind.

00:26:00.580 You had to use your common sense, and it was an apprenticeship program I went through.

00:26:05.400 And I'm still on the seniority list today.

00:26:07.940 Still, we hold our seniority.

00:26:09.880 So, I haven't been there in 26 years.

00:26:11.800 But before I retire, I'm going to clock in for a week just to get my six weeks of vacation.

00:26:16.480 Like a true Teamster.

00:26:18.460 So, your father lived to see you get into Teamster's leadership?

00:26:21.640 My father lived to see me take over Local 25.

00:26:25.680 I was the youngest president to ever take it over.

00:26:28.140 I was 33 years old.

00:26:30.580 And he died in 2012.

00:26:34.800 And I was running for Eastern Region Vice President.

00:26:39.180 And I won the election in 2011, November.

00:26:43.080 I was the highest vote-getter.

00:26:44.520 And he passed away suddenly in January.

00:26:48.360 And it was a funny story on how he passed away.

00:26:51.540 So, he was a man of few words.

00:26:56.760 He threw compliments around like sewer caps, right?

00:27:00.760 But he was a very proud man.

00:27:02.360 He was very proud of his sons and everything else.

00:27:04.920 And so, he died.

00:27:06.680 And, you know, typical, we go through his pockets to see where he stashed all his cash, like fooling around.

00:27:11.040 And my mother went in a suit jacket of his.

00:27:13.680 And he had a ticket to go see me get sworn in at the convention.

00:27:18.320 Never told anybody he was coming or anything.

00:27:19.860 So, it was pretty good, you know.

00:27:22.200 But he was a character.

00:27:23.440 He was, you know, he was the type of guy, you know, growing up, you know, my mother raised three of us, three boys.

00:27:30.600 And we're all very close in age.

00:27:32.220 She raised her three younger brothers in the projects in Charlestown.

00:27:35.180 And then she gets blessed with him as a husband and three of us.

00:27:38.840 It wasn't easy.

00:27:40.460 But, you know, he was the type of guy you could go to him and say, hey, dad, I screwed up.

00:27:46.120 He wouldn't scream and yell at you, all right, let's figure this out.

00:27:48.720 Like, he was always there that way where, you know, at times he would flip his lid.

00:27:53.900 But, you know, he was just a man's man.

00:27:57.220 Like, he always taught us about loyalty, always taught us about, you know, integrity.

00:28:03.200 And my mother was, you know, obviously the biggest influence in our life.

00:28:06.720 So, it was a great upbringing.

00:28:08.600 You know, tough at times.

00:28:09.640 I mean, a lot of tough love, not a lot of hugs.

00:28:13.420 But at the end of the day, you know, none of us ended up in jail.

00:28:16.060 None of us ended up on drugs.

00:28:17.600 And we've been pretty successful and lived a good life.

00:28:20.700 So, they did something right.

00:28:22.920 I mean, the Boston that you grew up in, which I remember vividly, you know, so well, was really, it was an Irish city.

00:28:28.260 I mean, no one would say it, but it's just a fact.

00:28:29.940 It was like it was run by the Irish and had been since, like, the 1850s when they came in and took it over from the Yankees because they were better organizers and more intense.

00:28:38.160 And politics was dominated by it.

00:28:40.380 Culture in a low key was working class Boston was Irish. 0.99

00:28:43.600 Right.

00:28:44.720 But certainly politics.

00:28:46.000 The whole state was dominated by the Irish, right?

00:28:47.760 Sure.

00:28:48.260 Billy Bolger was part of that.

00:28:49.980 That's kind of gone now.

00:28:51.120 Yeah, I mean, you look at, you know, take a snapshot of Boston politics 10 years, 10 years ago and go back even further, like 30 years and see where we're at right now.

00:29:04.720 It's a completely different landscape.

00:29:06.920 Completely?

00:29:07.380 Completely different landscape.

00:29:08.000 Like, Ray Flynn could never get elected now.

00:29:09.840 No, Ray Flynn, Tom Monino, Monty Walsh probably couldn't get elected today.

00:29:14.340 No way, I agree.

00:29:14.660 So, yeah, it's totally, totally different.

00:29:18.760 You know, the priorities seem to have changed.

00:29:20.620 And I think what changed in Boston, which is part of the problem that you see, is that no one from Boston that grew up in Boston or in the Boston area, like Medford, where I'm from, Everett, Somerville, no one in Cambridge, no one that grew up there can afford to live there.

00:29:40.740 I know.

00:29:41.100 So, what you have is you have all these transients and these people from the suburbs and out of state that grew up in rural areas their whole life.

00:29:48.840 Now they want to be city people.

00:29:50.140 They move in here and, you know, they're paying the high rents, they're paying the high costs, and they're basically controlling the narrative.

00:29:56.720 And that narrative is not consistent with the Boston that I knew and that I grew up with.

00:30:01.960 Boston was a blue-collar city that was very proud, very patriotic.

00:30:09.460 Very.

00:30:09.740 And now it's completely, you know, going the other way.

00:30:14.260 Well, there was a great deal of attention to, like, the people who live there.

00:30:17.960 I mean, that's one thing I always noticed about Boston.

00:30:19.680 It was obviously corrupt to some extent.

00:30:22.160 There are a lot of drunk people in the state house.

00:30:24.440 On the other hand, like, they seemed to, the quality of life issues, it was safe.

00:30:29.720 It was clean.

00:30:31.060 You know, it worked pretty well.

00:30:33.040 There were real services there.

00:30:34.340 And that, it seems to have inverted.

00:30:37.360 Like, there are almost no working-class people in Boston that I can see.

00:30:40.560 Now, if you go down the seaport, South Boston, I mean, you go down the seaport and, look, development's great for an area.

00:30:45.900 But it's going to be developed with the intent that people that are from there don't get forced out.

00:30:50.980 Oh, exactly.

00:30:51.360 They can afford to live there.

00:30:52.640 The gentrification that Boston has seen over the last 10 years is crazy.

00:30:57.360 If you went to South Boston 25 years ago, where I used to report to work every day in South Boston, and you took a snapshot of the waterfront, there was nothing down there.

00:31:07.560 Matter of fact, 1995 or 96, I was working rank and fire.

00:31:11.840 We were building a crane because they were getting ready to build a hotel right in the seaport, which wasn't the seaport.

00:31:18.380 It wasn't that we know it as.

00:31:20.500 And I remember saying, why are they putting a hotel here?

00:31:23.180 Who is actually going to come here?

00:31:24.660 To South Boston.

00:31:25.460 Right.

00:31:25.660 I mean, we'd back in our cars, our vehicles to go to work, and we'd have to look to make sure someone wasn't sleeping in the parking lot that you'd run over.

00:31:33.900 That's how it's changed.

00:31:36.960 But who would think that South Boston right now?

00:31:39.500 I mean, they got $4,500 a month for a studio apartment, and it's not people our age renting them.

00:31:45.820 It's 25, 26-year-olds that mommy and daddy are paying for them to live in the city. 0.54

00:31:50.440 So it's changed dramatically.

00:31:52.480 I mean, it's still a beautiful, clean city.

00:31:56.100 The politics are crazy.

00:31:58.440 They're far left on a lot of issues.

00:32:01.900 And, you know, I think people are more concerned with social issues than they are the economic issues right now.

00:32:07.320 Well, that's kind of nicely put.

00:32:09.280 That's exactly what I'm trying to describe.

00:32:11.120 The city got a lot richer and nicer in some ways, but crappier in other ways.

00:32:16.760 Yeah, the social issues are important, right?

00:32:18.780 I get it.

00:32:19.600 And everybody should be able to have their own opinions on whatever those issues are.

00:32:23.820 I mean, I think you and I probably have the same opinions on a lot of the social issues.

00:32:26.940 But from what we do every day as representing working people and people in general is we want to make certain that people have the economic resources to buy a modest home,

00:32:41.400 to afford tuition so that kids can go to school, and to plan for a very modest retirement that's not compromised by debt.

00:32:52.480 And, unfortunately, the Boston politics or the Massachusetts politics have taken a road down this social justice warrior path where, you know, we're not so concerned with, you know, the people on Main Street.

00:33:08.180 We want to make sure that we're fighting these social justice issues that do not put food on the table, do not keep gas prices normal, do not, you know, compromise people when they go into the grocery store.

00:33:20.560 So, lots has changed, I think, as a result of this election.

00:33:24.140 And, look, this election was a perfect example of it.

00:33:27.080 Think about the Democrats.

00:33:28.900 And, again, I'm a Democrat.

00:33:30.880 Think about their whole narrative through this election.

00:33:34.780 It was all social issues.

00:33:36.240 Our members, who I know intimately, and, look, some of them don't agree with me, some of them don't agree with our policies, and that's the beauty of living in America, right?

00:33:46.500 You can have disagreements, you can have, you know, difference of opinions, but by talking to our members, we knew the concerns were the prices at the gas pumps, the prices at the grocery stores, and the ability to afford a home and maintain and keep that home.

00:34:03.360 Exactly.

00:34:03.840 And then you get into, you know, the issues are important.

00:34:09.000 I get it, the social issues, but I've got to live.

00:34:11.680 I've got to put food on my table.

00:34:13.340 And it was never so proven in this past election that the social issues are important, but they don't matter.

00:34:20.600 What matters is, you know, people, especially the working class, being able to make ends meet.

00:34:25.180 Well, exactly.

00:34:25.880 It felt like the whole constituency was unhappy college girls and making them feel valued. 0.81

00:34:31.940 I'm not against unhappy college girls.

00:34:33.380 I feel sorry for them.

00:34:34.240 But you can't have an entire political party catering to them alone.

00:34:37.820 Like, what about, like, normal people with jobs and stuff?

00:34:40.480 They were just ignored.

00:34:41.540 Look, you've got to represent everybody.

00:34:43.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:34:43.980 No matter what.

00:34:45.160 And, you know, the Democratic Party, and I've been very critical of them, and I'm going to continue to be very critical of them because I think it's important that they listen for once.

00:34:53.820 They haven't listened in 20 years.

00:34:55.920 Because they think they own you, is that why?

00:34:57.100 They think they own everybody.

00:34:59.060 You know, instead of, when I have a conversation with you and I don't agree with you, my goal is to not get you to agree with me, but I want you to see that, because I have a difference of opinion, that it's not going to destroy a relationship.

00:35:13.200 And there's going to be many issues that you and I may be able to embrace together and maybe make some change.

00:35:19.140 Right?

00:35:19.300 This party, once you go against them, they get so vindictive, the party, the Democrats now are acting the way that they used to accuse the Republicans 20 and 30 years ago.

00:35:32.020 And they basically become that Republican Party that they despised.

00:35:36.600 Intolerant.

00:35:37.160 Fell in love with corporate elitists.

00:35:39.260 Well, I know.

00:35:39.740 Right?

00:35:40.720 Don't want to listen to their constituents.

00:35:43.220 They want to dictate how people should vote and how people should think.

00:35:47.080 And that's a problem.

00:35:47.860 And I'm watching all this media, and I'm done with mainstream media.

00:35:51.340 I am done with it, especially after the way it affected, you know, us during this election.

00:35:58.100 You know, you watch CNN.

00:35:59.800 You watch MSNBC.

00:36:03.060 That narrative was so scripted.

00:36:06.020 And forget whether you're a political person or not.

00:36:08.600 If you were Joe Q. Public or Jane Q. Public watching that coverage during the election, it was rigged.

00:36:17.120 It was scripted.

00:36:19.960 And, you know, part of being an American is you should have the ability to listen to opinions and form your own and make your own decisions.

00:36:31.020 That mainstream media has proven one thing.

00:36:33.860 They are not relevant whatsoever.

00:36:35.800 Oh, I know.

00:36:36.220 And, you know, that's part of the problem.

00:36:38.940 I mean, we've got to do a reset, Democratic Party especially.

00:36:43.540 Yeah.

00:36:44.100 I mean, I think labor is not the only group that is – I mean, it's not even about politics.

00:36:50.600 It's just if you're taken for granted by your spouse or your political party or your employer, being taken for granted is bad.

00:36:57.100 You're going to get treated like an object after a while.

00:36:59.680 You know what I mean?

00:37:00.940 100%.

00:37:01.340 And I think that there are other groups of voters who have reached this –

00:37:05.980 I mean, I'll give you a perfect example.

00:37:07.420 This is hilarious.

00:37:08.740 And, you know, I think you know me by now.

00:37:11.020 I call balls and strikes, and I'm going to say what's on my mind regardless.

00:37:16.300 So you're trying to – the Democrats are trying to quote us to endorse Joe Biden in January, right?

00:37:21.780 And Joe Biden has been a good president for us, labor.

00:37:24.380 Has he done everything we wanted?

00:37:25.540 No, absolutely not.

00:37:26.420 But, again, you get into, we fixed your pension.

00:37:28.840 Great.

00:37:29.140 Thank you.

00:37:29.880 Your first order of business, you shut down oil drilling.

00:37:32.900 You shut down pipelines.

00:37:33.820 I got 7,000 members that lost their jobs immediately, the keystone, right?

00:37:37.360 So, you know, I started pointing out some of that stuff to them, which I was quiet about in the beginning.

00:37:43.000 But, you know, you're out there jockeying for our support, and they want us to endorse Biden in January.

00:37:50.380 All of labor did.

00:37:51.300 And I'm like, no, we're not doing that.

00:37:52.760 We've got to talk to our members.

00:37:53.760 We're going to make sure where our members are at.

00:37:56.300 So we go through this whole winter getting pressure from, you know, people in the Democratic Party.

00:38:03.380 We stayed the course.

00:38:04.220 No, we're not.

00:38:05.120 We want to interview the candidates, which we've never done before.

00:38:07.600 And we asked every single candidate in January or December to come in and meet with us.

00:38:12.700 The first person to respond was Donald Trump.

00:38:15.240 I'll be in there, definitely, without a doubt.

00:38:16.860 And all these other candidates, RFK right away, Asa Hutchinson, Cornel West, all of them, they came right in.

00:38:25.260 Same format, same questioning like we talked about earlier.

00:38:27.980 And the struggle was getting Biden in here.

00:38:31.800 He didn't like the fact that Trump committed early, or the Democrats didn't like that he committed early.

00:38:36.960 So, long story short, we go through this whole process, and we have Biden in there.

00:38:43.600 And, you know, you could just clearly tell he was, you know, not the man he was.

00:38:47.660 And it was kind of sad, you know, because it's sad because you look at it, and I think generally, you know, a nice older man, nice older gentleman, right?

00:38:58.440 And what they were doing to him, the Democratic Party, it would kind of look like elderly abuse to me.

00:39:02.840 Yes.

00:39:03.700 And, you know, we knew we weren't going to go with him and them after the first debate.

00:39:08.400 Wait, but so in your meeting with him, it was obvious that he did it?

00:39:10.640 Yeah, so we give 16 questions, two weeks in advance, the same 16 questions to each candidate.

00:39:16.860 So, you know, RFK answered all 16 questions.

00:39:21.260 Probably most of them didn't answer them how we would like them to answer them, but they answered them.

00:39:24.900 So, Joe Biden came in, and he answered five of them.

00:39:31.800 Donald Trump answered all 16.

00:39:33.420 And then when Biden drops out of the race, but prior to Biden dropping out of the race, he's in the race.

00:39:39.820 Around June or May, one of my vice presidents, a woman named Joan Corey out of my local, she sits on our general executive board, was at an event with Vice President Harris.

00:39:53.140 And, you know, they're going through the line to get the picture, and Joan introduces herself to Vice President Harris.

00:40:00.600 He says, I'm Joan Corey.

00:40:01.720 I'm on the general executive board for the Teamsters.

00:40:03.940 She goes, Teamsters, you better get on board. 0.92

00:40:07.600 You better get on board.

00:40:08.980 You better get on board soon.

00:40:11.440 Says it to my vice president.

00:40:12.600 To her face?

00:40:13.220 To her face.

00:40:13.800 So, she comes back.

00:40:14.700 We have the meeting the next day. 1.00

00:40:15.820 Damn. 0.99

00:40:16.420 And she tells me this. 1.00

00:40:17.260 I thought I was arrogant.

00:40:18.420 That's really arrogant.

00:40:19.680 So, she tells me this.

00:40:21.620 So, I call up Marty Wall.

00:40:22.760 She wasn't the Secretary of Labor, but, you know, he was pushing hard for us to make the endorsement.

00:40:28.280 I'm like, let me ask you a question, Marty.

00:40:31.560 Excuse my French. 1.00

00:40:32.700 Who does this fucking lady think she is? 1.00

00:40:35.000 Like, if I want to support from any organization, I am not going to point my finger in someone's face and say, you better get on board or else. 1.00

00:40:46.400 But that's the attitude of this whole party.

00:40:52.580 So, fast forward.

00:40:54.300 She finally agrees to come after we were putting pressure on her, you know, basically, because I was doing interviews all over the place saying, we haven't got invited to the DNC.

00:41:03.640 We, you know, they haven't accepted our invitation for her to come to a roundtable, so she comes to the roundtable.

00:41:08.800 Same format, same questions.

00:41:11.200 Rank and file members are asking her questions just like they asked every other candidate.

00:41:15.480 And they were trying to negotiate with us.

00:41:18.460 She only wants to answer three questions.

00:41:20.020 We're like, there's 16 questions here.

00:41:22.640 So, she answers three of them.

00:41:26.000 And on the fourth question, one of her operatives or one of her staff slips a note in front of me, this will be the last question.

00:41:33.640 And it was 20 minutes earlier than the time that it was going to end.

00:41:38.120 Come on.

00:41:39.400 100%.

00:41:39.800 And so, you know, you're there trying to get our support.

00:41:44.540 And her declaration on the way out was, I'm going to win with you or without you.

00:41:50.780 She thought that or said it out loud?

00:41:52.340 She said it out loud.

00:41:53.240 That's insane.

00:41:54.380 So.

00:41:55.200 That's crazy behavior, actually, if you think about it.

00:41:57.600 It was insane behavior, which at that point in time, I knew she was going to lose.

00:42:02.100 Me, that's just my unqualified opinion.

00:42:04.600 I got a gut instinct and I'm like someone.

00:42:06.180 Well, you turned out to be right. 0.96

00:42:07.340 Someone this arrogant. 0.60

00:42:09.380 Forget anything else.

00:42:10.900 But you put your finger in someone's face at an Emily's List event once you find out what the team says.

00:42:15.540 And you say, you better get on board or else.

00:42:18.480 That's a problem.

00:42:20.240 And then you come before us.

00:42:21.640 You don't answer the question.

00:42:23.220 You want to dictate what you're going to answer.

00:42:25.200 And then you leave 20 minutes before it's over.

00:42:27.560 And the one difference between all the candidates that came was that at the conclusion of all these roundtables, we had media set up.

00:42:38.520 So after the conclusion of meeting with Trump, I did a press conference down in the lobby of my building.

00:42:44.920 Well, Donald Trump did a press conference down in the lobby of my building after he spoke.

00:42:50.680 The same offer was extended to both President Biden and Vice President Harris.

00:42:55.880 And they refused.

00:42:58.420 So you're meeting with the biggest labor organization that you want.

00:43:01.880 And you've got an opportunity for media to question you about how you felt the media, how you felt the meeting went, and what you wanted to achieve.

00:43:09.860 And you don't want to speak to the media.

00:43:12.460 That's a problem.

00:43:13.400 But Trump, to his credit, in our building, in our foyer, had a press conference.

00:43:19.300 So you're describing the way, like, a rich person would talk to the housekeeper.

00:43:24.080 Like, how dare you question that?

00:43:25.360 You work for me.

00:43:26.500 Right.

00:43:27.240 They don't realize that, and I've said this numerous times, when I'm talking to a member, whoever that member may be, regardless of race, religion, color, creed, I know that they give me the opportunity to represent them.

00:43:41.740 And they employ me.

00:43:42.900 Yeah.

00:43:43.300 And I've said this many times.

00:43:45.760 The Democrats got to understand who they work for.

00:43:48.800 They work for the constituency that they represent in their communities.

00:43:52.780 And that's where they've lost sight of who their employer is.

00:43:56.740 They think that the constituency should serve them.

00:44:00.700 Exactly.

00:44:01.180 And it's disgraceful.

00:44:03.220 Well, and, you know, what we've been saying for a year, now everybody's embracing saying, well, the Democratic Party needs a reset.

00:44:09.640 Well, where were you nine months ago?

00:44:11.220 Where were you two years ago?

00:44:12.480 If you were really, you know, passionate about putting up a candidate that could actually represent Democrats like they did or represent the party.

00:44:23.020 Why weren't you developing a plan two and a half years ago because you thought you just had in the bag.

00:44:29.360 You thought people were going to do what you tell them to do.

00:44:32.280 Well, clearly that didn't work.

00:44:34.360 So what's the future?

00:44:36.120 And they don't have an answer.

00:44:38.040 It may be that that period of history is just over.

00:44:41.840 And maybe your state tells a story.

00:44:43.700 Everyone, I look at the results from Massachusetts, and it's like the bluest state in the nation.

00:44:47.560 It's the most liberal state.

00:44:48.840 I have family there on both sides, my wife and me.

00:44:53.020 I don't know a single liberal in Massachusetts, not one.

00:44:55.940 I don't know a single Irish person who's liberal, maybe one.

00:44:59.160 There's not one Italian in the entire state who's liberal, none. 0.99

00:45:02.060 They were all Democrats.

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00:46:10.240 I mean, back me up.

00:46:24.700 You live in Massachusetts.

00:46:25.840 Do you, what was that you meant a liberal Italian guy?

00:46:28.800 Oh, well, never.

00:46:30.460 They're going to, they exist now.

00:46:31.900 They're going to exist, I think.

00:46:33.360 I mean, well, I mean, maybe not exist that way, but to your point, everybody was Democrat.

00:46:38.880 Yeah.

00:46:39.460 Right?

00:46:39.780 Everybody was Democrat.

00:46:41.500 Now you talk to people.

00:46:43.140 And look, sometimes people will talk to you and they'll tell you, hey, I seen you on the IRC.

00:46:46.800 Great job. 0.97

00:46:47.360 And you know, like, they've been talking shit online because you see it, whatever. 0.99

00:46:50.820 But I think the majority of the people are fed up. 0.99

00:46:53.800 Totally fed up.

00:46:54.380 Totally fed up.

00:46:55.200 But I'm just saying that whole world of organized, at least in your union, like just the people in it, you know, they were all Democrats, but they were never, they were all kind of traditional social.

00:47:06.500 Look, they have families, like they care about pensions.

00:47:08.560 They believe in-

00:47:09.180 It's a generation.

00:47:10.020 They believe in generations.

00:47:11.140 Exactly right.

00:47:12.040 They believe in continuity.

00:47:13.040 Right.

00:47:13.240 As you said at the beginning.

00:47:14.440 It's not even political.

00:47:15.500 It's a mindset.

00:47:16.520 It's a worldview.

00:47:17.780 And that whole group is like so out of step with the Democratic Party that I'm not really sure how that's ever fixed.

00:47:23.800 No, but, and then, you know, you make a great point.

00:47:26.320 So through this whole year, let's say, right, the Republicans, and we've worked with a lot of great Republicans in the Senate.

00:47:33.480 Josh Hawley's been great with us.

00:47:35.640 JD.

00:47:36.180 JD Vance has been great with us.

00:47:38.840 You know, Roger Marshall has been great.

00:47:40.980 And, you know, I'll give you a Josh Hawley, for instance.

00:47:43.060 Josh Hawley was, you know, we met with him.

00:47:45.480 We had a conversation.

00:47:46.540 Didn't know him.

00:47:47.900 Had a conversation with him early on.

00:47:50.000 And we were telling him, look, one of our biggest issues is national right to work.

00:47:53.480 And we explained to him why the right to work is not good for this country, why it's not good for his constituency.

00:47:59.180 And soon after that meeting, he came out with a statement on X saying, I met with the Teamsters Union.

00:48:05.420 You know, I'm supportive of working people.

00:48:07.480 And, you know, they're basically educated.

00:48:10.040 We've talked about right to work.

00:48:11.780 And I don't support national right to work.

00:48:13.720 And then we had a strike with a company in his state, Graybar.

00:48:18.640 He went out and walked the picket line.

00:48:21.220 And that strike was settled the next day.

00:48:23.980 Now, I'm not saying because he walked the picket line, but he demonstrated that that's what he's willing to do because his constituency works there.

00:48:31.060 Those are the people that he represents.

00:48:33.060 Who vote for him.

00:48:33.700 That's right.

00:48:34.140 And, you know, he's been great on our issues, you know.

00:48:36.540 And I think the Republicans have a great opportunity right now to show working people that what they were saying during the election is going to hold true.

00:48:46.960 And I think Trump proved early on when he actually listened to us and when we lobbied for Larry Chavez de Riemer to be the Labor Secretary.

00:48:58.480 Now, you know, I don't think it was a popular decision from a lot of his donors that supported him.

00:49:03.880 But, you know, I went down and I had a frank conversation with the president.

00:49:08.200 I'm like, look, this is important to us.

00:49:10.720 You know, if you truly want to show that you're going to, you know, embrace working people and work hard on their behalf, this is an early indicator that you're willing to do this.

00:49:21.680 And he did it.

00:49:22.680 So, you know, people that are saying Trump's anti-labor, he's anti-worker, I mean, look, he started off on a great, great footing.

00:49:31.700 I mean, he named the Secretary of Labor.

00:49:32.920 Well, look at who voted for him.

00:49:34.120 I mean, look at who voted for him.

00:49:35.660 You go to rural America, you know, where there are no people who aren't, quote, workers.

00:49:40.700 I mean, you know, most people didn't go to college.

00:49:42.320 They work.

00:49:42.940 They have back problems by the age of 40 because they work with their bodies.

00:49:47.000 They all vote Trump.

00:49:47.700 There's not anyone who didn't vote Trump.

00:49:48.700 I've got back problems from the last eight months of the knife wounds from the far left of the Democratic Party.

00:49:55.660 I've got back problems from sitting in an anchor chair my whole life.

00:49:59.280 It's a very tough job, Sean.

00:50:01.240 Sit up straight.

00:50:03.120 But, you know, here's one.

00:50:05.800 Okay, so obviously the Republican Party is in the middle of this total change.

00:50:09.660 It saw itself as the party of big business.

00:50:13.360 It's clearly not.

00:50:14.760 Its voters aren't.

00:50:16.060 And its donors aren't increasingly.

00:50:18.960 But I think there are a lot of Republicans, especially in the Senate, like Mitch McConnell, who just have not—well, Mitch McConnell is a really bad person, so he's a specific case.

00:50:30.160 But there are, like, decent people who just haven't sort of made the mental change that they're not the party that they thought they were.

00:50:34.780 Well, I think part of that problem is we haven't had the conversations with those folks either.

00:50:37.640 I totally agree.

00:50:38.160 Because there's been such a line drawn in the sand where if you were on one side or the other, especially in our world, Labor, if you're a Democrat, you shouldn't be talking to the Republicans. 1.00

00:50:50.600 And, like, that's bullshit. 0.99

00:50:52.340 I agree. 1.00

00:50:52.640 How are we going to get stuff done in this country?

00:50:54.900 Forget anything else.

00:50:56.120 It's like, you know, if you're looking to truly collaborate and actually make things happen, you've got to talk to people that you normally wouldn't.

00:51:05.700 You've got to express your ideals, your opinions.

00:51:08.900 And there's got to be common ground.

00:51:10.880 I mean, I deal with probably the worst employers in the world.

00:51:14.000 I deal with corporate greed, white-collar crime syndicates like Costco, United Airlines, and there's a list of them.

00:51:20.520 And, you know, I could go on and on for days.

00:51:23.660 And, you know, a lot of the times you get problems solved by having discussions and finding out, you know, where you can work together.

00:51:30.960 I mean, who would think that, you know, Mark Wayne, Mullen, and I almost fought twice in the middle of the Senate floor.

00:51:37.260 He's a pretty scrappy dude.

00:51:38.180 And, you know, I'm from Boston, man.

00:51:39.800 I don't sweat.

00:51:40.400 I don't sweat anybody.

00:51:41.940 But him and I have had a conversation.

00:51:44.340 We've actually had many conversations.

00:51:46.620 And, you know, we agree to disagree on what we can't agree on.

00:51:50.360 But at the end of the day, there's going to be a lot of things that we can work together on on behalf of his constituency, my members.

00:51:58.000 You know, because I don't agree with you on one issue.

00:52:00.260 Should I draw a line in the sand and not talk to you again?

00:52:02.360 I agree.

00:52:02.780 I mean, there'd be 100% divorce rate in this country if that was a key, right?

00:52:06.600 No, it's true.

00:52:08.180 But here's the mind shift that I think would be – I would like to see.

00:52:12.900 So labor is an ancient institution in the United States and a, you know, pivotal one in the economic and political history of the country.

00:52:19.760 But I do think people are sort of caught in this sort of 1930s thinking where it's, you know, workers versus some manufacturing company.

00:52:27.720 And the power shift has been so complete.

00:52:29.940 And I don't know if we've – it's like even Amazon is not as powerful as the financial institutions.

00:52:36.080 And I personally think, just as a preserver, I'm not labor or management.

00:52:42.960 We're going to convert you at some point, though.

00:52:44.620 Yeah. 0.98

00:52:45.320 Well, I've been a member of a union most of my life, but it's a particularly shitty union. 0.99

00:52:50.180 Sag. 0.97

00:52:50.580 But anyway, here's the point.

00:52:52.960 At some point, I would like to see somebody with power ask questions of the banks because if you want to know what hurts working people, it's debt and it's credit card debt, specifically 22%.

00:53:04.980 And nobody says a word about it.

00:53:08.640 And I think the fastest way to improve the lives of middle-class, working-class people is to address that in some way or at least have to begin the conversation.

00:53:18.800 Like it's bad to hook people on 22% interest.

00:53:23.060 Yeah, it's bad to hook people who depend upon keeping their electricity and their utilities on when they have to pay with a credit card at 22%.

00:53:31.000 Because, again, the corporate greed, a lot of these CEOs at these banks, there's such a disparity between the people that are their customers and what the banks are making.

00:53:45.100 There should be a platform to regulate these banks and make certain that everybody is playing, have a level playing field, like these credit card companies.

00:53:56.680 Like you made a point earlier off the record.

00:53:58.600 You said there should be a union for credit card, people that have credit cards, right?

00:54:03.520 Yeah.

00:54:03.860 And that what we do as a labor organization, we're not being treated fairly like Amazon or anybody else.

00:54:10.280 When our members are not being treated fairly, what do we do?

00:54:12.920 We withhold our labor.

00:54:15.040 Well, imagine if we, to your point earlier, withheld our payments as a country to these credit card companies and these banks that obviously support these credit cards. 0.99

00:54:27.040 What sent a pretty strong fucking message? 0.93

00:54:29.220 Well, I've raised this before and been treated as like the Unabomber. 0.99

00:54:33.960 Like, that's too crazy.

00:54:35.040 I'm not radical at all.

00:54:36.060 I'm a totally moderate person in the sense that in the end—

00:54:39.340 I'll carry that flag.

00:54:40.240 I like chaos.

00:54:40.720 Well, so I like it.

00:54:41.700 I think—look, I'm not—I think you probably want banks in your country.

00:54:46.000 I don't think banks are the root of all evil.

00:54:47.580 But I do think banks hurt a lot of people, and they seem immune from criticism.

00:54:52.540 You can attack anybody.

00:54:53.560 No one ever attacks the banks.

00:54:55.000 Well, think about it this way.

00:54:55.840 Not in 100 years.

00:54:56.460 Why is that?

00:54:57.240 Well, we talk about—well, they're so powerful, right?

00:54:59.500 We talk about, you know, the old school values of growing up in a neighborhood and growing up, you know, with simple things.

00:55:08.760 Just remember, the neighborhood banks that we dealt with early on, they actually cared about the people.

00:55:14.080 Yeah, I knew them anyway.

00:55:14.760 They knew them in your neighborhood.

00:55:16.820 They knew them.

00:55:17.520 No one knows TD Bank.

00:55:18.960 No one knows Bank of America.

00:55:20.380 There's no personal connection there.

00:55:22.220 No.

00:55:22.460 It's all about bottom line and how much money they're going to make.

00:55:24.620 Oh, yeah.

00:55:25.220 And, you know, that's what's missing as well.

00:55:27.120 They may be selling your debt to somebody you don't never even heard of.

00:55:29.520 Yeah, how many times have you got a mortgage and, you know, the bank you go through sells it to someone else?

00:55:34.560 They're making money every single—

00:55:35.580 I believe we had a financial crisis over this one.

00:55:37.320 Yeah, I think it was 2008, 2009.

00:55:39.180 Ish.

00:55:39.500 I think there's a movie about that, right?

00:55:41.220 There may be.

00:55:42.220 Right, but credit cards especially, and the payday loan people have taken a lot of well-deserved abuse.

00:55:48.980 I mean, clearly that's predatory, but I just—I remember when I was a kid, my father was a reporter, covered the mafia, and they—I remember very well hearing from him that they put people in prison for loan sharking.

00:55:58.320 You know, all the time, put the mafia in prison for loan sharking.

00:56:02.900 I don't think they were loaning at 22 percent.

00:56:04.760 They probably had better rates than the banks, like credit cards, definitely.

00:56:08.240 And by the way, they paid out on the lotto in full, unlike the state governments, which pay you, like, a percentage of it.

00:56:14.100 They're more crooked than the mafia, and no one says a word. 0.97

00:56:17.960 Ah, it's disgusting. 1.00

00:56:19.500 It is disgusting. 0.95

00:56:20.120 It's actually criminal. 0.77

00:56:21.600 Yes.

00:56:22.120 I liked Josh Hawley had a nice Senate hearing where, you know, he brought them to task.

00:56:29.380 He brought the credit card companies to task, and, you know, it seems like you get punished for being, you know, the misfortunes you may endure in life.

00:56:37.560 So the credit cards, too, the other thing I don't like about them is, you know, if you got a good credit rating and you're, you know, you've been fortunate enough to have a good job, you get a lesser rate, right?

00:56:48.160 If I have bad credit and I've got a lot of debt, I'm getting that higher rate.

00:56:52.980 So they're preying on the weak.

00:56:55.240 Of course.

00:56:55.760 And that's got to stop.

00:56:58.080 That's got to stop.

00:56:58.960 At the very least, we should say it's wrong.

00:57:01.660 And by the way, it's prohibited by every religion.

00:57:04.560 I mean, people have thought this was wrong for thousands of years.

00:57:06.860 Right.

00:57:07.100 We're in this weird hiatus where, I mean, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have a lot to say about usury. 0.98

00:57:14.140 And they're very explicit about it.

00:57:15.600 But we've sort of forgotten that or something.

00:57:18.400 I don't really get it.

00:57:19.520 Yeah, it's funny.

00:57:20.280 When problems don't affect certain people, they don't want to hear about them or they don't want to do anything about them.

00:57:24.240 Yeah.

00:57:24.720 I don't think it's radical to raise it at all.

00:57:26.640 No, I don't think so either.

00:57:27.740 God bless Josh Hawley.

00:57:28.520 You know, I don't think it's radical at all.

00:57:30.380 I mean, it's a disgrace when people have to pay their bills on their credit card, and you know they're never going to catch up.

00:57:35.320 Never.

00:57:36.200 Never.

00:57:36.400 And by the way, if I can just make – this is not a partisan point, but it's just true.

00:57:39.660 Joe Biden did that.

00:57:40.760 He made bankruptcy not – I mean, credit card debt not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

00:57:46.160 He did that in the bankruptcy bill because he's from Delaware and they paid for his house.

00:57:52.220 Pretty corrupt.

00:57:52.860 So, let me ask you about AI.

00:57:55.860 This is going to have a transformative effect, everybody says, on labor.

00:57:59.180 What effect will AI have on you?

00:58:00.880 Well, AI is going to have an effect on everything.

00:58:02.960 I mean, it needs to be regulated.

00:58:05.580 It needs to not be a weapon against working people.

00:58:09.940 Technology is common, fast, and fair, especially in many of the industries that we represent.

00:58:15.960 But, again, these are conversations that need to be had before AI is implemented and or dispersed into the workplace.

00:58:25.880 There's a lot of jobs that can be created as a result of technology, as a result of implementation of AI.

00:58:32.380 And, again, it's people drawing a line in the sand, not want to have these conversations.

00:58:38.720 The general public or the general perception of the world is they want convenience, they want less labor, but it's not good for the country.

00:58:47.060 It's not good for working people. 0.52

00:58:49.440 And automation is going to be just as debilitating to working people than – it's just like AI.

00:58:57.880 And what we've done is we've negotiated contracts where automation has to be negotiated in the industries we work.

00:59:06.180 If they're going to make a technological change or they're going to automate something, they've got to maintain the job levels and create jobs moving forward as a result of this technology.

00:59:15.140 You take grocery warehouses where they're having robots pick orders.

00:59:19.880 Well, we've been able to negotiate contracts where we create jobs, we maintain the robots, we program the robots.

00:59:26.060 You know, we fix the robots, we build the robots in some of these cases.

00:59:30.560 So there's always opportunity.

00:59:32.220 United Postal Service, 340,000 members, technology plays a big role in the forwarding of packages and envelopes.

00:59:39.560 And, you know, obviously it's efficient, but there are jobs created as a result of it.

00:59:44.900 And that's what the beauty about being in a union is.

00:59:47.500 But I think people underestimate how technology is going to destroy this country if we don't regulate it, if we don't get in front of it, if we don't create jobs as a result of it.

00:59:58.840 I mean, we're dummying down this society so much.

01:00:02.400 It's, you know, you've got college students not doing research papers.

01:00:05.640 They're using AI.

01:00:06.920 How is that good?

01:00:07.700 How is that good for your mind, right?

01:00:09.500 You've got people out there, like you mentioned your union, SAG, screen writers, you know, they're going to be out of jobs if AI comes in.

01:00:19.600 So, I mean, we've got to take a hard look at where AI will be valuable to this country and where it will be detrimental.

01:00:26.160 And I don't think we've taken a good look at it.

01:00:27.600 I don't think we've taken a look at it at all.

01:00:29.480 And, you know, the state of California is betting everything in its budget on AI.

01:00:33.500 That guy out there. 1.00

01:00:34.200 Yeah, he's a ridiculous person. 0.96

01:00:37.140 But why shouldn't, if there's like electricity or any emergent technology, electricity shows up 100 years ago, it's fair to ask, you know, clearly it provides light and, you know, powers machines. 0.96

01:00:48.540 But is there a downside?

01:00:49.740 I don't know.

01:00:50.140 For any technology, nuclear technology, and AI is as transformative as any technology.

01:00:55.500 So why is there no conversation about harnessing it for good rather than evil?

01:00:59.100 Well, think about how we started.

01:01:00.960 Teamsters.

01:01:01.620 Horse and buggy.

01:01:02.880 Yeah.

01:01:03.060 Then they came out with engines.

01:01:04.200 Then they came out with trucks.

01:01:05.000 That was technology involving, but we always protected the jobs, right?

01:01:09.260 We always made sure that those jobs are protected.

01:01:11.960 And that was technology back then, right?

01:01:15.240 Gavin Newsom in California should be the poster child for bad behavior when it comes to protecting against AI and technology.

01:01:24.480 He's the same guy that working people through the recall election saved him, right?

01:01:33.060 But he's the same guy that when you work a bipartisan bill to protect against technology, AI, and also mandate autonomous vehicles to have a human operator, which is bipartisan, gets on his desk, first order of business, is he vetoes it.

01:01:48.080 Yeah.

01:01:48.780 He vetoes it.

01:01:49.340 You know why?

01:01:50.340 Because he's looking for his next best opportunity with the captors he fell in love with, technology, tech companies, Google, Uber, whatever else, Lyft, all those companies he's bought and paid for.

01:02:04.400 So, he doesn't care about how that affects people's jobs.

01:02:07.640 He doesn't care about how it affects the community.

01:02:09.580 He's looking for his next payday.

01:02:11.420 And that's a disgrace.

01:02:13.320 I couldn't agree more.

01:02:14.520 Do you think that in this administration, the AI czar is a guy called David Sachs?

01:02:22.300 Have you talked to him?

01:02:23.740 No, I haven't.

01:02:24.360 But the one encouraging thing that I've seen, last week, you know the longshoremen?

01:02:31.520 Yes.

01:02:31.980 So, they had a strike, two-day strike.

01:02:34.400 And it was over wages, two issues, wages, and automation, which is AI.

01:02:42.040 And they used the ports in China to demonstrate how efficient it is by using robots and artificial intelligence.

01:02:51.720 The one good thing was that President Trump met with the longshoremen because they've got a cooling-off period until January 15th.

01:02:59.560 And then they'll go back into negotiations to negotiate the AI and the automation, which I think they're going to be successful in maintaining their jobs.

01:03:09.220 But President Trump came on and said, I've been studying automation.

01:03:12.680 I've been studying AI for a long time.

01:03:14.380 And I don't believe anybody should be losing their jobs over that.

01:03:17.200 So, that's encouraging.

01:03:18.720 So, I think to your point, I haven't had a conversation with that man.

01:03:21.840 I'd love to, just to express how important it is to have conversations with people that actually perform jobs that could be replaced by technology or AI.

01:03:32.800 Because that may give a different perspective where we can collaborate and actually create more jobs as a result of it.

01:03:38.960 Yeah.

01:03:39.140 Do you want a stable, happy country?

01:03:40.900 That's the question that has to remain in mind always.

01:03:44.040 Well, I think everybody does.

01:03:45.160 I'm not sure that's true.

01:03:46.440 I think there are people who believe as a matter of religiously.

01:03:48.860 Everybody in my world.

01:03:50.200 Me too.

01:03:50.620 And that's what I want.

01:03:51.980 But there are people who believe as a matter of faith that you can't stop technology, it's evolution, that it's like God.

01:03:58.220 You worship as a God and, you know, you obey its commands.

01:04:02.860 They think that.

01:04:03.980 Yeah.

01:04:04.340 And look, people are entitled to their opinion.

01:04:06.460 But those are the people that, you know, are probably less affected by it.

01:04:10.800 Oh, yeah.

01:04:11.140 When you get people, people don't engage in any type of fight or protest unless, unfortunately, it affects them personally.

01:04:19.360 I know that my members and I know that working class people around the country, that they're scared.

01:04:26.200 They're scared.

01:04:26.860 They're frightened.

01:04:27.460 Yeah.

01:04:27.700 So they're willing to fight for it.

01:04:30.800 And these people that aren't affected by it can have all the opinions.

01:04:33.920 Well, it's coming.

01:04:34.880 There's nothing we can do about it.

01:04:36.800 Well, your son or daughter may be affected by this or your neighbor or a relative.

01:04:41.880 You should get engaged and protect the integrity of this country, not just go along to get along because that's where we're going wrong in this country.

01:04:49.900 You know, the attitude is, oh, they can just do it.

01:04:51.900 Well, why?

01:04:52.680 Why can they do it?

01:04:53.620 Why can't we stop it?

01:04:54.560 Why can't we modify it?

01:04:55.940 Why can't we collaborate to create more jobs?

01:04:58.480 Why do we have to dummy down everything we do in this country?

01:05:01.420 So I think there's an opportunity there, but we have to have these conversations.

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01:06:21.380 What happened to Jimmy Hoffa?

01:06:23.620 I don't know, man.

01:06:25.020 Honestly?

01:06:25.700 I don't know.

01:06:26.560 Again, that's, you know, it's a tragedy what happened.

01:06:28.960 Look, there's no love lost between his son, my predecessor, and me.

01:06:35.520 Don't like the man.

01:06:37.080 Never cracked an egg.

01:06:38.060 He was born on third base.

01:06:39.820 Thinks he hit a triple to get there.

01:06:41.460 Was bad for our organization.

01:06:43.360 However, his father was a great teamster, a great American.

01:06:46.160 And the sad part of society right now is, that man was murdered.

01:06:51.460 Oh, yeah.

01:06:52.020 He was murdered, right?

01:06:52.800 1975, outside Detroit.

01:06:53.800 And the family lost their father.

01:06:55.360 Regardless how I fail about the family, lost their father.

01:06:59.920 And unfortunately, it's like anything else in society.

01:07:02.900 It's a joke, right?

01:07:04.520 It's a joke.

01:07:05.360 Where is he?

01:07:06.320 What happened?

01:07:07.040 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:07:07.980 Look, the guy was an icon.

01:07:09.320 He created this union.

01:07:10.680 He brought it to where it is.

01:07:13.020 But, you know, that's what's wrong with society.

01:07:14.860 Who do you think killed him?

01:07:16.160 I don't know.

01:07:17.620 I met a guy once who told me that he-

01:07:18.980 There's all kinds of theories.

01:07:21.060 There's all kinds of-

01:07:21.780 But you think he was murdered.

01:07:23.680 Yeah, I don't think he ran away.

01:07:25.380 No, or put in witness protection.

01:07:26.760 Yeah.

01:07:27.280 That would have been public.

01:07:28.440 That would have been public.

01:07:29.540 Yeah.

01:07:29.960 You know?

01:07:30.340 50 years later.

01:07:31.260 Yeah.

01:07:32.180 But there's no-

01:07:33.080 When you took over, you didn't hit the archive to find the truth.

01:07:36.020 The archive doesn't really say much about it, other than, you know, it's a mystery,

01:07:39.500 right?

01:07:39.820 You went to lunch and didn't come back.

01:07:40.900 There's all kinds of theories.

01:07:41.840 And there's a lot of times I want to go to lunch and not come back.

01:07:44.500 But that's for other reasons.

01:07:46.920 But, you know, that's what's wrong with the media today.

01:07:49.960 You know?

01:07:50.200 I mean, I don't know.

01:07:51.740 I think it's-

01:07:52.520 Look, he was an icon.

01:07:53.280 He should be viewed as that.

01:07:54.340 And it is what it is.

01:07:55.680 It's an unfortunate, unsolved mystery.

01:07:57.140 What are you trying to do with Amazon?

01:08:01.020 I'm going to put them on their knees. 0.97

01:08:02.920 I don't like Jeff Bezos.

01:08:04.260 Oh, I don't either.

01:08:05.220 He also owns the most-

01:08:06.520 Personally owns.

01:08:07.300 Not the company.

01:08:07.780 He personally owns the most liberal newspaper in the United States.

01:08:10.100 Most left-wing, for-the-people newspaper.

01:08:12.320 So, I'm a little surprised to learn that he's not welcoming you guys.

01:08:15.740 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:16.040 No, he lost his balls during the election. 1.00

01:08:17.580 You can tell that. 1.00

01:08:18.540 Well, that's for sure.

01:08:19.480 Yeah.

01:08:19.700 He's pulling a Justin Trudeau.

01:08:20.720 I mean, I think for a guy that, you know, he did a little growth hormone, went back in

01:08:25.220 the gym, did some testosterone, you know, he's the man.

01:08:29.240 But, look, this guy does not treat his work as failures.

01:08:34.680 150% turnover ratio in his company with direct employees.

01:08:40.080 He hides behind a joint employer scam where-

01:08:45.240 Can you explain that?

01:08:45.920 I'm not sure I get it.

01:08:46.620 So, joint employer is, he hires third parties to move his freight, right?

01:08:53.120 Yeah.

01:08:53.320 Deliver the packages.

01:08:54.520 So, you get a company like UPS.

01:08:56.240 UPS has all direct employees, drivers, loaders, sorters, part-timers, whatever it is.

01:09:02.220 They're all direct employees.

01:09:03.840 They're W-2 employees.

01:09:05.320 Yeah.

01:09:06.280 Basil's inside workers, Amazon inside workers, which are going to be our members shortly,

01:09:12.240 are direct employees, right?

01:09:15.040 They make far less than our members of UPS, but the delivery drivers are working for a

01:09:21.180 third party.

01:09:22.260 A third party that has to follow the policies and procedures of Amazon, has to buy their

01:09:28.000 vehicles from Amazon.

01:09:29.500 We actually got a decision in California that stated they actually are the employer of these

01:09:37.080 third party leasing arrangements.

01:09:38.720 So, we've made a demand nationally to, and we've got 22 locations that have organized under

01:09:45.780 this model a demand for bargaining, and he's refused to do it.

01:09:51.280 And so, we've given him an ultimatum that if he didn't respond by December 15th, that we

01:09:55.860 would take appropriate action.

01:09:57.140 Now, when that happens, that's up to him.

01:09:59.600 So, yeah, we're going to get him.

01:10:02.120 We're going to get him.

01:10:03.340 And he's not just a threat to the parcel industry.

01:10:05.660 Yeah.

01:10:05.960 He's a threat to every working job in this country.

01:10:09.060 I couldn't agree more.

01:10:09.500 I mean, they've got grocery warehouses.

01:10:11.700 And look, he should embrace sitting down and negotiate.

01:10:15.020 Think about what he does every day.

01:10:16.320 If you don't concede to his demands for him to carry a product and sell them, what does

01:10:23.660 he do?

01:10:24.040 He blackballs you, right? 0.99

01:10:25.540 He basically strikes good companies from distributing their products if they don't agree to his low

01:10:30.280 terms and costs.

01:10:31.940 Well, he should be savvy enough to say that, well, I have an obligation to negotiate with

01:10:37.680 the Teamsters because I negotiate every single day with these people.

01:10:41.540 And when I don't get what I want, I strike them, right?

01:10:44.100 Basically, he strikes them, doesn't allow them in his system.

01:10:47.200 And he's trying to do the same over here by not allowing us in his system.

01:10:50.680 So what's going to happen to him at some point?

01:10:52.200 He's going to get struck.

01:10:53.520 And, you know, sometimes he's a $2 trillion value of Amazon or him or whoever, but he doesn't

01:11:01.460 really want to reward the people that have made him truly a success.

01:11:04.660 Well, they offload their personnel costs onto the taxpayer through social services.

01:11:08.300 Walmart does the same.

01:11:09.320 They absolutely do.

01:11:10.080 So what percentage of their employees, I mean, that's, I think, should be illegal.

01:11:15.500 No, it is illegal.

01:11:17.040 And unfortunately, there's a system out there.

01:11:18.640 This is where, under this new administration with Trump, we have an opportunity to expose

01:11:23.540 Amazon for what they are and how bad they've been.

01:11:26.620 And again, you get back to, you know, we have all these politicians with rhetoric, right,

01:11:30.300 about Amazon.

01:11:31.320 Oh, Amazon, especially the Democrats.

01:11:33.780 But you couldn't get...

01:11:34.900 What kind of rhetoric?

01:11:35.660 Anti-Amazon?

01:11:36.160 Oh, anti-Amazon, like, well, we want to be out there for the Amazon workers and we want

01:11:40.720 to help them organize.

01:11:42.440 And all this rhetoric, you know, Chuck Schumer's of the world, wouldn't sign on to a letter and

01:11:46.220 then later find out his daughter works for Amazon as a lobbyist.

01:11:49.920 Actually?

01:11:50.560 Actually, a lobbyist for Amazon.

01:11:52.780 So that's...

01:11:53.380 Chuck Schumer's daughter's a lobbyist for Amazon.

01:11:55.420 Yes, it is.

01:11:56.160 Yes, she is.

01:11:57.080 That's unbelievable.

01:11:57.840 Absolutely.

01:11:58.980 The system is so corrupt.

01:12:00.420 Yeah.

01:12:00.680 I can't stand it.

01:12:01.040 It's crazy.

01:12:01.620 So this is what you're dealing with.

01:12:03.340 So, yeah, you ask what we're going to do.

01:12:05.580 We're going to organize them.

01:12:06.900 We're going to make Jeff Bezos respect his workers.

01:12:09.200 We're going to make Jeff Bezos an example of bad behavior from an employer.

01:12:13.140 How hard is that to organize them?

01:12:14.500 Oh, it's going to be tough.

01:12:15.280 I mean, it's not going to happen overnight.

01:12:16.840 We've put together a program that's going to be a four to five year program.

01:12:20.960 But every single day we are building momentum.

01:12:23.860 We're building worker power.

01:12:24.980 And, you know, he has to understand that he's not dealing with an organization that's going to go away.

01:12:32.540 We might not have the money that he has, but we definitely have one thing.

01:12:35.660 We've got the workers on our side and we've got intestinal fortitude and courage and conviction to take on the fight.

01:12:41.460 So do you have any idea what percentage of Amazon workers use federal social services to supplement their income?

01:12:48.380 Well, I would say the majority of them.

01:12:50.560 I don't have that statistic, but, you know, the part-timers I know that I've talked to, especially in the New York area, they're all in subsidized housing.

01:12:58.520 Some of them are in shelters.

01:13:00.700 You know, some of them are on the state health plans.

01:13:03.960 You know, and people don't realize when they hit that send button, they're actually paying double for the services.

01:13:09.620 Because they're actually paying for, you know, social services.

01:13:15.940 Yeah, for the safety net.

01:13:17.060 Where an organization like mine would demand, like we do with UPS, like we do with DHL, like we do with every other employer, that they not only pay a respectful wage, but they also give them free health care.

01:13:28.260 They give them a retirement.

01:13:29.300 They give them a career path to a retirement.

01:13:32.320 You know, and people that hit that send button don't realize that not only are they paying for the delivery and the product, they're also paying for, you know, Jeff Bezos' white-collar crime syndicate of tax evasion and evading his obligation.

01:13:46.560 Well, I agree completely.

01:13:48.280 I think one of the reasons I'm sympathetic to the Teamsters is because they have competent employees.

01:13:54.040 I do think that's part of the deal.

01:13:55.880 You know, you demand benefits and higher wages, but, you know, you've got to do a good job.

01:13:59.640 And I think UPS drivers do a good job.

01:14:01.240 They're the cream of the crop.

01:14:02.900 Think about during the pandemic.

01:14:04.660 And this is where the Teamsters, and I've spent two and a half years highlighting how valuable we are to this country.

01:14:12.380 And I mean it with all sincerity.

01:14:15.380 Pandemic was probably the worst thing that anybody's got.

01:14:17.500 We've witnessed in a long time, right?

01:14:19.420 Where there was so much uncertainty.

01:14:20.740 But the one thing that was certain, whether you were, you know, delivering packages or sorting and loading packages on a truck, whether you were in a grocery warehouse, whether you were working for a health care company,

01:14:31.240 our members went out every single day providing goods and services to this country with total disregard for their safety, the safety of their families.

01:14:40.440 Some of our members lost their lives.

01:14:42.860 And we were deemed as heroes because we provided these goods and services.

01:14:47.420 And we were heroes.

01:14:50.000 Everybody was talking about us.

01:14:51.120 Everybody was saying, oh, the American worker, the Teamsters, they're heroes.

01:14:54.480 Well, when these companies are making record profits during the pandemic and it comes time to reward our members, their employees, all of a sudden we're zeros.

01:15:04.580 So we've been reminding corporate America how important the Teamsters union are, but more importantly, the American worker, especially through a crisis.

01:15:12.440 Because, you know, like you said earlier, you know, you talk about Irish and Italians.

01:15:18.180 You know, I think corporate America has what they call Irish Alzheimer's, you know. 0.99

01:15:22.160 They forget the people that provide them the most, but they never forget when they get fucked on a dollar, right? 0.95

01:15:28.080 So, you know, I think, you know, the Teamsters union, yeah, we do have the best workforce in the country. 0.96

01:15:33.600 We're well-trained, we're safety conscious, but, you know, we fight hard for our members.

01:15:38.980 Are the, I don't want to be vulgar or anything like that, but is it true what they say about UPS drivers being like the most desired men in the world?

01:15:47.560 Men and women, right?

01:15:48.900 Because they have pensions, they got big pensions.

01:15:50.980 No, but I mean, like, you know what I mean.

01:15:52.820 Is that true?

01:15:53.220 I don't know.

01:15:53.600 I mean, you have stories.

01:15:54.480 I mean, everybody likes a person in uniform.

01:15:57.600 I never worked for UPS.

01:15:58.840 I couldn't tell you that.

01:16:00.920 Sorry, I couldn't resist asking that.

01:16:02.520 Yeah, I mean, I've got a face for radio, so I don't know, you know.

01:16:05.220 So, I sure appreciate you're doing this.

01:16:09.140 I appreciate you, sir.

01:16:10.080 I've enjoyed it deeply.

01:16:10.800 Well, listen, I've got a venture that I'm going into.

01:16:12.860 I want to be like you and other people.

01:16:15.340 I created a podcast that I'm going to be launching early 2025.

01:16:20.120 Oh, you'll like it.

01:16:20.860 It's going to be called A Better Bad Idea by Sean O'Brien.

01:16:24.840 That's good.

01:16:25.500 And we're going to have real conversations with real people about real issues that affect America.

01:16:31.720 Are you really going to do that?

01:16:33.160 100%.

01:16:33.560 Oh, you should invite me on.

01:16:34.940 I'll come.

01:16:35.360 I definitely will.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - December 23, 2024

“I’ll Win With or Without You,” Teamsters Union President Reveals Kamala Harris’s Famous Last Words

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