The Tucker Carlson Show - It’s Time to Decide： America First or Lindsey Graham’s Psychosexual Death Cult？

00:00:00.000 Good evening and welcome and happy anniversary.

00:00:03.200 Tonight is the one-year anniversary of Trump's second election to the presidency.

00:00:08.460 It was a year ago tonight that Donald Trump not only won, but won a majority of the popular vote.

00:00:15.340 And not only won a majority of the popular vote, but won with a coalition that was broader

00:00:19.420 than any Republican coalition probably since 1984 with the Reagan landslide.

00:00:26.240 So a 40-year coalition.

00:00:28.200 And at the time, looking at not just how many people voted, but who voted, it seemed really

00:00:33.280 obvious if you were interested in keeping the left at bay and the Republicans in power

00:00:38.120 for, say, the next generation or two, you would copy exactly what Donald Trump did because

00:00:42.380 no one else has done it in 40 years.

00:00:45.720 He created this amazing, not just landslide, not really a landslide, but it was an amazing

00:00:52.320 victory in an environment in which most people assumed you couldn't have an authoritative

00:00:58.880 victory because the country is just too closely divided.

00:01:01.660 So it was an amazing thing that Donald Trump did a year ago.

00:01:05.860 So the election was a year ago.

00:01:07.400 That means the midterm election is a year from now and the next presidential election two years

00:01:11.800 after that.

00:01:12.540 So it's probably not too early to start thinking through what comes after Donald Trump.

00:01:18.260 No disrespect to the sitting president, but of course, there's going to be something

00:01:22.820 after him because he can't run again.

00:01:25.620 And needs to say, people are thinking about that.

00:01:27.680 And not only are they thinking about it, they're already arguing and fighting about it.

00:01:30.620 There is what Politico is calling a civil war in the Republican Party.

00:01:35.380 And it's over, of course, identity, because the only wars we have in this country, the only

00:01:41.280 sanctioned wars we have domestically are about identity, BLM, anti-Semitism.

00:01:47.780 Of course, it's not really what they're ever about.

00:01:50.040 These are proxy wars.

00:01:52.040 These are wars waged on behalf of people who aren't directly participating for reasons that

00:01:57.800 are never openly stated.

00:01:59.820 And this war is actually about what comes after Donald Trump.

00:02:05.380 Does the Republican Party, the party that now has power and a lot of money, revert to

00:02:11.480 what it was before Trump?

00:02:13.160 Or does it continue to evolve in the direction that Trump has steered it?

00:02:18.760 That's the question.

00:02:20.580 And on that question hangs a lot.

00:02:22.720 Well, control of the most powerful country in the world, control of the free world, such

00:02:27.580 as it is, the shrinking free world.

00:02:30.160 And, you know, an awful lot of jobs for people and an awful lot of military power.

00:02:34.740 So there is a lot at stake in this contest.

00:02:38.440 So consider the two choices here.

00:02:41.120 You can go with the Republican Party as it was, which is basically neoconservative foreign

00:02:47.220 policy, libertarian economic policy.

00:02:50.640 The, you know, Republican Party of the think tanks in Washington of the Wall Street Journal

00:02:55.340 editorial page of all the deep thinkers in the Republican Party.

00:02:58.360 Deep thinkers, deep thinkers.

00:03:02.180 The ones who are always invoking, you know, the same three Reagan quotes and quoting Tocqueville

00:03:07.580 incorrectly and, you know, doing their little, we're erudite impression.

00:03:12.560 Or does it continue to become what it is currently becoming, which is the party of Donald Trump?

00:03:17.880 Well, what is that?

00:03:19.140 What is MAGA exactly?

00:03:20.560 How do you make America great again?

00:03:22.220 Well, Donald Trump, in his sort of signature way, which is to say never quite spelling everything

00:03:27.320 all the way out, because he's not very ideological, but instead sort of leading by implication and

00:03:34.000 by action, the position of Donald Trump in the last election was America first.

00:03:40.200 And what does America first mean?

00:03:41.420 America first means, very simply, the U.S.

00:03:44.360 government should act foremost on behalf of American citizens, which is to say every big

00:03:49.380 decision the U.S. government makes, should keep in mind, the top of the list of concerns,

00:03:54.200 how does this affect the people who pay for this and who I represent?

00:03:58.840 And again, most people thought that was their system that we already had.

00:04:02.540 Turns out it wasn't.

00:04:03.540 Donald Trump awakened all of us to that.

00:04:05.680 The system was not acting in the interest of the country.

00:04:08.140 It was acting really without reference to the people who live in the country.

00:04:10.820 It didn't care.

00:04:12.180 And it was acting on behalf of a bunch of other different imperatives.

00:04:15.060 And Donald Trump steered it back to where it was supposed to be in the first place,

00:04:20.600 which was acting on behalf of America.

00:04:21.880 That's what America first means.

00:04:23.440 This was not just a popular message.

00:04:25.080 This is the most popular political message that any candidate has delivered in many, many

00:04:31.060 generations.

00:04:32.520 And it's popular because, excuse me, it's self-evidently true.

00:04:36.860 Who wouldn't want that?

00:04:37.940 And that, exactly that message is the message that drew a record high number of famously black

00:04:45.400 voters, Latino voters, voters of all kinds, just American voters united by a belief that

00:04:51.700 the U.S. government ought to represent them and drain the swamp and no more pointless wars,

00:04:56.140 et cetera, et cetera.

00:04:56.620 But they're all branches of the same tree, which is America first, which is not only a

00:05:01.220 non-threatening message.

00:05:02.180 It's really the only legitimate message that a leader of America can send.

00:05:07.220 And it's the only legitimate principle that can guide any American leader.

00:05:12.200 So that is the winning message.

00:05:13.920 If you're hoping to keep the Republican Party dominant or make it into something more positive

00:05:18.360 than it currently is, cleave to that and you will win.

00:05:21.800 It's super obvious.

00:05:23.100 There's like no person who thinks about this for six minutes who could disagree with that.

00:05:26.980 On the other side is a return to the Republican Party that we had before, which is a party

00:05:33.220 that has all kinds of other agendas, most of which are never publicly revealed, and that

00:05:38.720 spends a lot of its time policing its own members.

00:05:40.960 Now, what does it attempt to achieve by policing them?

00:05:43.700 Well, it attempts to achieve silence.

00:05:45.360 It wants them to shut up about what is actually happening.

00:05:47.640 And what is actually happening is that on the foreign policy side, which is the side that

00:05:51.740 Washington cares about because it's got the most money and the most power.

00:05:55.180 You can literally kill people.

00:05:56.380 And there's no power greater than that.

00:05:58.700 Our foreign policy is not wholly dependent on the whims of Israel.

00:06:02.920 Of course, we have, you know, acting in lots of parts of the world that have nothing to

00:06:05.560 do with Israel, but it is unduly influenced by the concerns of Israel.

00:06:10.800 And in some cases, the U.S. government has acted, and these are all well known.

00:06:15.300 The Iraq War, for example, has acted in ways that hurt the United States in order to help

00:06:21.200 Israel.

00:06:21.720 It has put the aims of a foreign power above its own interests.

00:06:25.160 And that's immoral.

00:06:28.540 It's illegitimate.

00:06:30.440 It's extremely unpopular domestically.

00:06:34.120 And it just doesn't work over time.

00:06:36.640 That's not sustainable.

00:06:37.740 You can't, there's no way to justify that.

00:06:39.260 So rather than trying to justify it, they scream at people and tell them to be quiet and read

00:06:44.280 them out of the movement and call them names and threaten them.

00:06:48.460 But ultimately, because it's not a winning message, it cannot win over time, particularly if people

00:06:54.180 are allowed or somehow managed to describe it accurately.

00:06:57.100 And unfortunately for the guardians of the old system, the old Republican Party, people

00:07:02.900 have been allowed to describe it accurately, mostly because Elon Musk opened up X.

00:07:08.320 And, you know, when he did that, you get all kinds of filth and nonsense and lies.

00:07:11.800 But you also get some truth, actually quite a bit of truth.

00:07:15.340 And one of the main things that people are telling the truth about that they didn't tell

00:07:17.900 the truth about before is that our foreign policy really doesn't have much to do with

00:07:21.800 what's good for the United States.

00:07:23.320 And once those words have been uttered, they can't be taken back.

00:07:26.240 And they change people's minds.

00:07:27.600 And the polls reflect the fact that they have.

00:07:29.880 People's views are different.

00:07:31.900 So in the face of this kind of inevitable change of heart, collective change of heart

00:07:37.140 in America, where both parties are like, wait, why are we doing this?

00:07:41.140 The people who are benefiting from the old arrangement, which only continued because it was maintained

00:07:46.400 by threats and silence, those people are going absolutely bonkers.

00:07:50.380 And they have been all week and they're claiming it's about one thing, the Holocaust or something

00:07:54.800 like that.

00:07:55.200 But no, really, it's about who controls the Republican Party after Donald Trump.

00:07:58.680 That's what it's really about.

00:07:59.800 So ignore the moral posturing.

00:08:01.460 This is a power struggle, as all political parties have from time to time.

00:08:05.560 And this one just happens to have a lot of emotionally unbalanced, hysterical people with

00:08:08.740 no limits who have access to social media.

00:08:11.180 So they're scaring the crap out of everybody.

00:08:12.520 But it's really kind of a conventional power struggle.

00:08:15.680 So who are the players in this?

00:08:17.720 Well, some of them are in the pundit class.

00:08:20.160 The more ludicrous ones are in the pundit class.

00:08:21.960 But some of them are actual sitting politicians.

00:08:23.500 And if you were to choose one who symbolizes what we're actually debating and the stakes

00:08:32.640 of this conversation, it would have to be Lindsey Graham.

00:08:35.540 Lindsey Graham is a senator, a senior senator from the state of South Carolina, one of the

00:08:39.780 most conservative, reliably Republican states out of 50.

00:08:43.340 And he has been in Congress since 1994.

00:08:46.580 So that would be 31 years.

00:08:48.840 And he is running for yet another term as a U.S. senator.

00:08:52.700 He's 70 years old.

00:08:53.960 He'd like to serve till he's 77.

00:08:57.800 And he has the support, not simply of the White House, he has an endorsement from the

00:09:02.040 president.

00:09:02.840 But he has more donor support probably than anyone who's ever run in the history of the

00:09:08.500 United States.

00:09:09.960 I mean, Lindsey Graham has so much donor support.

00:09:12.840 And donors, just as a numerical question, probably represent, you know, 100 to 1% of the

00:09:17.100 American population, but have a great deal higher proportion of the money.

00:09:21.800 He's the most popular candidate they've ever backed.

00:09:24.360 He's like a higher IQ, less grading Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis.

00:09:30.120 And so they'll be backing him.

00:09:34.000 And all things being equal, he will be reelected.

00:09:37.880 And so why does this matter?

00:09:40.020 Well, it matters not because Lindsey Graham is like a horrible person.

00:09:45.200 I mean, he may be a horrible person.

00:09:46.640 The truth is, Lindsey Graham is actually a very charming person and a very interesting

00:09:50.860 dinner partner and a fun person to be with, hilariously funny.

00:09:54.120 I met him for the first time.

00:09:55.300 I was his seatmate on a campaign bus in 1999.

00:09:58.640 He was a member of Congress and we spent a couple of weeks sitting next to each other.

00:10:01.980 And by the end, I thought to myself, I love this guy.

00:10:03.840 He's hilarious.

00:10:04.640 Always a joke.

00:10:05.800 Always has a drink in his hand.

00:10:07.120 Like he's a, he's genuinely a cheerful person, probably fun to play golf with.

00:10:13.500 So the reason that this is an important race is not because Lindsey Graham is like

00:10:16.900 Mark Levin, you know, someone you, if you were stuck in an elevator with him, you'd

00:10:20.460 have to obviously kill yourself because you couldn't handle.

00:10:22.620 He's not that you wouldn't enjoy, you'd enjoy being stuck in an elevator with him.

00:10:25.300 The reason it's so important is because Lindsey Graham is the living symbol of the old Republican

00:10:31.740 Party, the Republican Party that did a lot, almost as much as the Democratic Party to

00:10:35.360 destroy the United States.

00:10:37.060 And so if he is reelected next November, that will be a sign that actually the Democratic

00:10:43.060 system doesn't work.

00:10:44.120 Lindsey Graham's views are not popular.

00:10:45.980 They are despised in the state of South Carolina.

00:10:48.860 His views, if you're to disaggregate Lindsey Graham from what he believes and just poll Republican

00:10:53.380 primary voters in South Carolina, do you agree with this?

00:10:56.300 Lindsey Graham would be less popular than the Democrat because his views are repugnant to

00:11:01.060 Republican voters and to Trump voters.

00:11:03.340 And so if he were to get elected anyway, it would tell you that the system doesn't respond

00:11:09.120 to the concerns of voters.

00:11:11.660 And therefore, the system isn't working and isn't legitimate because the point of the system

00:11:15.820 is to respond to those concerns.

00:11:19.120 And so a lot is at stake.

00:11:21.560 If Lindsey Graham wins, it will be the most dispiriting thing to happen in American politics

00:11:26.460 in a very, very long time.

00:11:29.660 So if Kamala Harris were to win in the last, you know, a year ago tonight, it would be horrible.

00:11:33.660 She'd be an awful president.

00:11:35.460 Probably even worse than Biden, insecure, fragile, weird, dumb.

00:11:41.940 You can just imagine, nightmare.

00:11:44.460 But at least you could say, well, she was elected by a party that kind of agrees with her.

00:11:48.980 You know, Kamala Harris got elected because the Democrats are insane.

00:11:51.420 Okay.

00:11:52.420 What's the excuse if you're a Republican voter, if you're a Trump voter for electing Lindsey

00:11:56.280 Graham?

00:11:58.700 Hard to think of one.

00:12:00.500 So just want to spend a couple of minutes before we go to one of the men challenging Lindsey

00:12:04.620 Graham in the Republican primary next June, Paul Dans, who we're going to talk to in a

00:12:08.300 minute, we want to go through a couple of things you should know about Lindsey Graham.

00:12:14.480 So if Graham gets reelected, it'll be because the true Lindsey Graham, his record, his views,

00:12:19.860 his priorities, his dark impulses are all lost in the haze of propaganda that surrounds him.

00:12:26.060 And people only know him through the political ads that, you know, his donors paid for.

00:12:30.560 So we think it's important for people to know who he actually is.

00:12:33.580 So we're going to start with a clip.

00:12:35.580 We could do this for like eight hours, but we're going to do this for like 20 minutes

00:12:38.920 because we want to get to the guest.

00:12:40.360 But we're going to start with a clip from this past Saturday, I think this past weekend.

00:12:45.580 And Lindsey Graham was giving a speech to the Republican Jewish Coalition, I think in

00:12:50.260 Vegas.

00:12:52.080 And he was one of many speakers who were getting hysterical and threatening violence against

00:12:56.320 Republicans who don't agree with them and jumping up and down and raging about the

00:12:59.800 Nazis, the Nazis, you know, 80 years after we defeated them.

00:13:06.880 And Lindsey Graham was probably in some ways less hysterical, but he was the kind of most

00:13:12.200 important office holder at this event.

00:13:13.700 And he said a couple of things that really reveal the program precisely.

00:13:19.440 Here is Lindsey Graham this last weekend.

00:13:22.300 He recognized Jerusalem as capital of Israel.

00:13:25.960 Why?

00:13:27.800 Because if you got a problem with that, take it up with God.

00:13:30.380 He's the guy that did it, not Trump.

00:13:33.940 So I just want to say I feel good about the Republican Party.

00:13:37.780 I feel good about where we're going as a nation.

00:13:40.720 We're killing all the right people and we're cutting your taxes.

00:13:43.280 So there are a couple of things to notice about this that really tell you everything you need

00:13:48.240 to know about Lindsey Graham.

00:13:48.980 First, he's, and we left the context, he's defending Donald Trump.

00:13:52.020 He's saying, not defending, Trump's probably pretty popular in the room, but he's saying,

00:13:56.700 you know, remember, Trump's like a great president.

00:13:58.720 Why is he great?

00:14:00.420 Well, because he moved the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

00:14:04.540 What?

00:14:05.660 I mean, okay, you can make a case for it or not, but like, why should I care exactly?

00:14:10.380 It's a purely symbolic move.

00:14:12.440 It has actual consequences internally in Israel, but it doesn't even pretend to improve your

00:14:18.900 life.

00:14:19.980 Graham didn't get up and say, you know, he made prescription drugs cheaper.

00:14:22.900 He's going to lower your health insurance, make it easier for your kids to buy a home.

00:14:26.180 He got the cities under control.

00:14:27.800 They're now safe.

00:14:29.040 You can use the parks.

00:14:30.240 He's improving the schools.

00:14:31.400 You couldn't send your kids to public school.

00:14:32.580 Now you can.

00:14:33.880 You can use the emergency rooms again because he's deported 10 million illegal aliens who

00:14:38.560 were hogging the space, which is where we currently are.

00:14:41.160 Now, the reason you should love Trump is because he moved the embassy, the U.S. embassy in a

00:14:46.680 foreign country from one city to another.

00:14:48.420 Huh?

00:14:49.120 Why does that matter?

00:14:50.080 Well, Lindsey Graham explained why it matters.

00:14:52.520 Because God commanded it.

00:14:55.180 Oh, if you don't like that, take it up with God.

00:14:57.580 So God, it turns out, and this may be in one of the non-canonical books in the scriptures,

00:15:02.460 God wanted the U.S. State Department to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

00:15:10.620 I mean, it's like kind of a basic tenant of our faith.

00:15:13.560 It may even be in the catechism.

00:15:16.260 What?

00:15:17.400 And of course, given the venue, no one raised a hand and said, I'm sorry, Lindsey Graham,

00:15:20.600 I'm not a Bible scholar here.

00:15:21.700 But how do we know that God wanted the State Department to move an embassy, you know,

00:15:27.400 80 miles or whatever the distance is from one city to another?

00:15:31.560 How do we know that's God's preference?

00:15:34.020 But Lindsey, this is kind of a tick of Lindsey Graham's.

00:15:36.340 He explained recently that if you have a problem with Israel, God will kill you.

00:15:41.500 And that would include the United States.

00:15:42.600 He said, I'm almost quoting him here, if the United States abandons Israel, God will

00:15:50.000 abandon the United States and kill us all.

00:15:52.860 We'll die if we don't support, as he calls it, Israel.

00:15:58.020 Israel.

00:15:59.060 This is the Mike Huckabee pronunciation, Israel, which may be some kind of like dog whistle

00:16:04.800 meant to telegraph that like I'm really on your side.

00:16:07.440 It may be like the Kiev rather than Kiev.

00:16:10.380 When you call it Israel, it's like, yeah, I got it.

00:16:13.920 We're on the same page.

00:16:15.520 But anyway, so the first thing we learned is the most important fact to know about Trump,

00:16:19.640 the reason you should love him is because he supports Israel.

00:16:23.400 Second is God demands whatever sort of like policy at the moment is God's will.

00:16:32.220 Lindsey Graham, who like just guessing, probably not a Bible scholar.

00:16:36.460 And if he is, he's skipping over certain parts of the book.

00:16:40.380 Excuse me.

00:16:42.540 And the third thing to learn, and this really is the heart of Lindsey Graham, is that the

00:16:47.680 Republican Party is doing what you voted for us to do.

00:16:52.560 And that is, and I'm quoting now, cutting your taxes and killing all the right people.

00:16:59.860 That's like, that's the perfect distillation.

00:17:03.820 Lindsey Graham is clever.

00:17:04.600 He's hardly a genius.

00:17:05.360 He's not like a philosopher or anything, but he has summed up the Republican Party that Donald

00:17:10.500 Trump overthrew more precisely than any person I've ever heard in my life.

00:17:14.080 Cutting your taxes and killing all the right people.

00:17:17.200 Because that really is the crispest way to describe the marriage of libertarian economics

00:17:24.760 and neocon foreign policy.

00:17:28.440 Cutting taxes and killing.

00:17:31.640 And if you think about it, who'd want to be associated with that?

00:17:36.540 Not an argument for higher taxes.

00:17:37.780 Higher taxes can be bad.

00:17:38.860 But cutting taxes is not a virtue in itself.

00:17:44.240 The point is, if people are overburdened by the tax system, if it's hurting them, and

00:17:48.280 we're not getting a lot out of it, if it's growing like, you know, some completely impenetrable

00:17:53.580 democracy that's hurting the country, which it is, by the way, then, of course, you want

00:17:57.120 to cut taxes, I guess, to starve the cancer or whatever.

00:17:58.920 You can make the argument.

00:18:00.140 But cutting taxes itself is hardly a virtue.

00:18:03.400 It's a contextual matter.

00:18:04.760 Sometimes it is.

00:18:05.320 Sometimes it isn't.

00:18:05.760 It totally depends.

00:18:07.880 But in Lindsey Graham's simplistic, but heartfelt formulation, cutting taxes is just a positive

00:18:13.320 good always.

00:18:15.120 And so is killing people.

00:18:16.480 Killing people.

00:18:16.980 You can sum up foreign policy.

00:18:18.540 Killing people.

00:18:19.440 Killing the right people.

00:18:20.140 No, they got to be the right people.

00:18:21.480 But killing people.

00:18:23.060 Killing people is just, it's just a good thing.

00:18:25.520 Like, it's one of those things you don't need to describe.

00:18:26.820 It's like sex with your wife.

00:18:27.980 It's just good.

00:18:28.840 Have you killed someone today?

00:18:30.420 Oh, good.

00:18:30.860 You have?

00:18:31.160 Okay, good.

00:18:32.400 That's how he thinks of it.

00:18:33.400 And if you take three steps back, I mean, you're sort of tempted if you've known Lindsey

00:18:37.380 Graham, like I have for 25 years.

00:18:38.600 You're like, yeah, it's Lindsey Graham.

00:18:39.560 You know, he's always saying these provocative things.

00:18:41.120 But if you think about it for a second, you're a sick fuck if you say something like that,

00:18:46.480 much less if you believe it.

00:18:47.760 Killing people?

00:18:49.120 Have you met anyone who's killed someone?

00:18:52.680 You probably have.

00:18:53.660 You may be someone who's taken a human life.

00:18:56.340 That's a very heavy thing.

00:18:57.620 And it's something that even if you win the fight and walk away and the other man doesn't,

00:19:02.260 it stays with you for life.

00:19:04.380 Because it's the heaviest thing there is.

00:19:07.160 And it's the most forbidden thing there is.

00:19:09.100 It's the darkest thing there is.

00:19:10.640 We don't create life.

00:19:12.320 And except under very rare specific circumstances, we're not allowed to extinguish it because we're

00:19:17.240 not God.

00:19:17.720 And so if you're casually encouraging other people to kill, and if you're gleefully in

00:19:25.060 front of an audience applauding like seals, bragging about the killing that you are doing,

00:19:29.940 you know, you're not on the team you think you are.

00:19:32.980 That's really evil.

00:19:35.640 And if that's what your party amounts to, cutting taxes and killing people, who's for that?

00:19:43.320 I mean, some people are for it.

00:19:44.400 All the ghouls in the room are for it.

00:19:46.260 You know, killing people.

00:19:48.180 Okay.

00:19:49.120 But most people, especially when they have time to think about it, like you're on a plane,

00:19:52.560 you have time to stare out the window and think about what something means.

00:19:56.100 You're repulsed by that because it's repulsive.

00:19:58.580 It's the most repulsive thing.

00:19:59.880 And in fact, a good government, a government that really cared about its people would do

00:20:04.580 everything it possibly could to prevent people with that attitude like Lindsey Graham

00:20:08.300 from ever holding power or wielding it over others because they're monsters.

00:20:13.580 Cheerful monster.

00:20:15.300 Hilarious monster.

00:20:16.260 Good-natured monster.

00:20:18.580 But monster.

00:20:19.620 There's kind of no way around it.

00:20:21.360 And in a moment where people are being, you know, deplatformed and censored and screamed

00:20:26.340 at and called names for their opinions, you know, some of those opinions are good.

00:20:30.820 Some are bad.

00:20:31.280 Okay.

00:20:31.380 We can debate opinions, but just not, we're not debating opinions.

00:20:34.180 We're just crushing people for having opinions that, you know, we're characterizing a certain

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00:23:13.880 But if you're a Republican voter, if you're a Trump voter, for example, or a Republican

00:23:17.560 donor or someone who thinks of himself as like kind of boxed in by the system and unable

00:23:21.880 to vote for anybody but Republicans, you need to do whatever you can to make sure that that's

00:23:27.220 not your party's platform, cutting taxes and killing people.

00:23:30.080 And you need to make sure that the guy who's joking about it on stage and beaming with joy

00:23:34.620 as he talks about murder is not one of your leaders.

00:23:37.020 You really have to do that for your own sake and for the sake of your country.

00:23:40.360 Now, are we taking that out of context?

00:23:42.140 Is that just like something we polled and he was maybe drunk again and it was a joke

00:23:48.900 and we're being unfair and no, no, not at all.

00:23:55.660 Lindsey Graham of all members, except maybe this, that weird guy from Florida, Randy Fine,

00:24:00.840 who's like openly endorsing genocide.

00:24:03.700 Lindsey Graham of every member of Congress can be relied upon at every public event.

00:24:10.360 Every photo opportunity, every time you run into him on the street to be calling for the

00:24:15.960 murder of somebody.

00:24:17.720 Killing is the point of Lindsey Graham's political career.

00:24:22.580 Trying to convince the rest of us to get on board with killing when we won't, screaming

00:24:26.480 at us and calling us names and you're the hater because you're not on board with killing

00:24:29.820 this or that person.

00:24:31.600 It's all about killing people.

00:24:34.000 I want to give you a second example.

00:24:35.800 This is Lindsey Graham, who's from the very beginning been a staunch supporter of really

00:24:43.400 one of the most brutal dictators, let's just say it out loud, in Europe in 80 years.

00:24:48.260 And that would be Zelensky, the unelected dictator of Ukraine, who's basically devoting half of

00:24:54.280 his life to extinguishing Christianity in Ukraine.

00:24:58.200 All of us are supposed to ignore that, but it's actually happening.

00:25:00.420 Putting priests in jail, killing his political opponents, murdering critics, that's happening

00:25:05.480 right now.

00:25:06.620 Lindsey Graham, of course, loves him because he's doing a lot of killing, killing the right

00:25:09.460 people, as Lindsey put it.

00:25:10.760 Here's Lindsey Graham in a conversation with Zelensky.

00:25:14.840 And sorry, another parenthetical note.

00:25:18.340 Graham and Zelensky, both of whom are hardened warriors, run around in military uniforms, talking

00:25:23.180 about how tough they are.

00:25:23.820 Neither one will ever sit for an interview that isn't a kiss-ass interview.

00:25:28.080 I've made about a hundred requests to each of them, you know, so they interview each other.

00:25:32.500 But here's Lindsey Graham talking to Prime Minister Zelensky about killing.

00:25:38.780 Watch.

00:25:39.540 Free or die?

00:25:40.480 Free or die.

00:25:41.580 Now you are free.

00:25:42.940 Yes.

00:25:43.380 And we will be.

00:25:44.260 And the Russians are dying.

00:25:45.860 It's the best money we've ever spent.

00:25:48.580 Thank you so much.

00:25:50.220 The Russians are dying.

00:25:52.920 It's the best money we've ever spent.

00:25:54.700 Again, just encouraging you to think about what you're hearing for a second, because all

00:26:00.480 of a sudden we live in a moment when a lot of people are espousing violence.

00:26:07.680 It's funny, a year ago, if you had asked a year on election night, if you had asked a

00:26:11.240 lot of Trump voters, like, why are you voting for Trump?

00:26:15.640 They would give positive reasons.

00:26:16.960 I really think that the American government should serve American citizens.

00:26:20.520 I believe in America first, but they would also, I think, say, I'm really afraid of

00:26:25.380 the other guys.

00:26:26.240 And two of the things that bother me most about them is they don't believe in free speech.

00:26:30.120 They're constantly pushing for censorship.

00:26:32.260 And their rhetoric is violent.

00:26:34.060 Their rhetoric, they're encouraging violence.

00:26:35.620 They encourage the BLM riots.

00:26:36.960 They encourage violence all the time.

00:26:40.080 And yet a year later, here you have all these leading Republicans doing, what are they

00:26:44.280 doing?

00:26:44.580 Oh, demanding censorship.

00:26:46.440 Should be fired for saying that.

00:26:48.160 You shouldn't platform someone, meaning you shouldn't let them talk.

00:26:52.060 And you shouldn't be allowed to talk to people we disagree with.

00:26:56.440 All of a sudden, we're in charge of who you talk to.

00:26:59.020 That's not totalitarian or anything.

00:27:01.060 I can choose who you talk to.

00:27:03.800 And we're going to just openly say that people we don't like should die.

00:27:08.300 Should die.

00:27:09.900 And here's Lindsey Graham taking joy in, and I'm quoting, Russians dying.

00:27:15.660 Best money we ever spent.

00:27:16.620 If you can spend money to make people die, that is money well spent.

00:27:21.980 You freak.

00:27:24.060 By the way, it's not, you know, here are the five generals or 10 generals or list of people

00:27:29.180 we think are responsible for war crimes in the Donbass.

00:27:32.360 Okay.

00:27:32.600 Okay.

00:27:33.180 I mean, we can debate whether they are or not.

00:27:35.220 Probably not.

00:27:35.920 But maybe they are.

00:27:37.440 And you'd say the person who committed the crime is being punished.

00:27:40.700 But Lindsey Graham, who has a completely non-Western understanding of justice, is saying, because

00:27:48.160 they are in this group, they must die.

00:27:52.300 So that's the distinction.

00:27:54.240 And this is the actual fight.

00:27:55.820 It's a fight between people who understand justice the way that Christians understand

00:28:01.300 justice, which is on an individual basis.

00:28:04.680 We punish the guilty.

00:28:05.840 We punish the person for committing the crime.

00:28:07.840 We don't punish his kids.

00:28:09.320 People who share the same last name or live down the street from him or look like him or

00:28:13.220 are somehow related to him, speak the same language as him, because they didn't do anything wrong.

00:28:19.700 We don't punish the innocent in Christianity because we believe in the human soul, the individual soul.

00:28:25.760 We don't think we're judged as a group.

00:28:28.020 We think we are judged as individuals.

00:28:29.800 We'll stand alone, alone, before God to account for what we did.

00:28:34.520 Not for what our kids did.

00:28:36.120 Not for what our grandparents did.

00:28:37.920 Not for what our neighbors did or our countrymen did or our leaders did, but for what we did.

00:28:41.240 And that is the basis of Western justice.

00:28:44.500 And it's being abandoned and without a fight because people don't understand what is happening.

00:28:50.700 But make no mistake, the attitude that you just heard from Lindsey Graham is an Eastern

00:28:54.120 understanding, a non-Christian understanding of justice.

00:28:57.900 The Russians, what does that mean?

00:29:00.180 What Russians?

00:29:02.400 Just Russians.

00:29:03.500 They're dying.

00:29:04.440 Best money we ever spent.

00:29:06.760 So you're watching two things.

00:29:07.640 You're watching someone who's embraced collective punishment as Israel has, as most of the world

00:29:12.420 has, by the way, it's not just Israel and it's not just Lindsey Graham.

00:29:15.860 It's most countries at most times in history believed in collective punishment and collective

00:29:20.560 reward.

00:29:21.260 You're the favored group.

00:29:23.320 You're the Tutsis and you get a better deal or whatever.

00:29:27.020 You're the chosen people in whatever society or religion, but you're the Brahmins.

00:29:32.200 You get, because of your DNA, a better deal.

00:29:39.380 Diversity, DEI, affirmative action, they're all species of the same kind of thinking, which

00:29:44.180 is collective thinking, which denies the reality of the individual human soul.

00:29:50.160 And it is, therefore, anti-Christian.

00:29:52.960 And the entire West was set up as a bulwark against that kind of thinking.

00:29:57.900 And that's why it succeeded.

00:29:59.100 And that's why it's been free and prosperous and happy.

00:30:02.880 And people like Lindsey Graham don't acknowledge that.

00:30:05.300 And instead, they worship death.

00:30:08.360 And he has, as noted, a long career of doing this.

00:30:13.120 This is not a conservative principle.

00:30:15.180 This is not a Christian principle.

00:30:16.820 This is a left-wing, atheist, agnostic at best principle.

00:30:23.160 This is the, I am God, I'll kill whom I want, when I want principle.

00:30:29.000 And it's been on display his whole life.

00:30:31.440 On January 6th, Lindsey Graham said to a Capitol Hill police officer, you guys have guns.

00:30:39.260 Why don't you shoot them all in the head?

00:30:41.900 I wish you had.

00:30:43.120 Shoot them all in the head?

00:30:44.440 These aren't Russians.

00:30:45.640 These are Americans.

00:30:47.140 These are like 60-year-old ladies with pocket constitutions in their handbags and diabetes

00:30:52.080 and bad knees who thought their election was stolen from them because they believe in

00:30:55.620 the system.

00:30:56.440 And so they marched on the Capitol.

00:30:59.220 They didn't know at the time that there were like 230 FBI, whatever they were, agents,

00:31:05.780 provocateurs, that the whole thing was managed.

00:31:08.720 Some of us sensed that immediately.

00:31:09.960 Lindsey Graham could find out.

00:31:11.860 Maybe he has.

00:31:12.380 He doesn't care.

00:31:13.820 Those people, in some cases, lured into this trap, allowed into the Capitol by security.

00:31:19.740 That's on videotape.

00:31:21.020 We're not guessing.

00:31:22.060 Those people should be executed because what?

00:31:25.700 They made him scared and he was scared on 9-11.

00:31:28.880 Talk to his colleagues.

00:31:29.740 I have.

00:31:31.340 Lindsey Graham was terrified.

00:31:33.680 Lindsey Graham is a physical coward.

00:31:34.920 Of course he is.

00:31:36.560 All the chicken hawks are.

00:31:38.080 That's why they don't fight the wars, but they're also victims in this.

00:31:43.640 When you call for the deaths of others, when you regard other people's lives as meaningless,

00:31:50.960 when you think it's the best use of federal tax dollars to murder them, as he does,

00:31:57.040 you become more afraid for your own life.

00:32:01.040 It's always true.

00:32:02.500 Dictators are always paranoid and afraid.

00:32:04.680 They're never brave, ever.

00:32:09.280 And Lindsey Graham is no different.

00:32:12.140 Shoot them in the face.

00:32:13.640 So the idea that Lindsey Graham is a conservative, with the caveat that, like, who even knows what a conservative is now?

00:32:21.420 Conservative.

00:32:22.600 Is Mark Levin a conservative?

00:32:24.920 Is Dave Rubin, whoever that is?

00:32:26.960 Is he conservative?

00:32:27.700 I mean, okay, I guess.

00:32:30.500 I mean, whatever.

00:32:33.140 But if those are the people, Ted Cruz, conservative?

00:32:37.240 I don't know.

00:32:37.420 Let's take a close look at Ted Cruz's life.

00:32:39.620 What's conservative about it?

00:32:41.000 Let's take a close look at Lindsey Graham's life.

00:32:42.800 Is that conservative?

00:32:43.920 And what's the reference point for that?

00:32:46.540 What do you even mean?

00:32:48.940 People like that have a completely different set of values on the deepest level, not on a surface level.

00:32:55.280 We're not arguing here about tax rates, you know, and whether we should allow reimportation of prescription drugs.

00:33:01.500 I mean, this is not a policy debate.

00:33:02.760 This is a debate that flows from deepest level convictions, from foundational beliefs, and that is evident in the way that people live.

00:33:13.220 If I took a microscope to your life, what would I find?

00:33:15.700 And in the case of almost every single warmonger, you find chaos and sadness and alienation and weird behavior and abusiveness and alcoholism.

00:33:26.260 It's like they're a disaster.

00:33:28.120 And so they're projecting outward the hate that they feel on, in some cases, entire populations and increasingly on the American population, on the American population.

00:33:39.560 So when you think of, like, a conservative as, you know, buttoned down and has his act together and is committed to his family and his grandchildren, it's like, this is not that conservative.

00:33:51.460 So are they conservative?

00:33:52.160 Who knows what they are?

00:33:53.400 But the point is, Lindsey Graham has sided with the Democratic Party from his earliest days in the Congress.

00:33:59.240 I mean, this is literally the guy who convinced John McCain to turn over the ridiculous Russiagate, the original Russiagate private investigator slash intel agency files about Donald Trump, the P-tape, but the rest, to turn that over to the FBI as if it was real.

00:34:19.300 Lindsey Graham believed that the 2020 election, the 2016 election, was controlled by Russia.

00:34:25.460 There was never any evidence for that at all.

00:34:27.620 But he believed it.

00:34:28.440 He said it.

00:34:29.240 He believed Trump was a Russian agent.

00:34:31.960 How did he wind up in the inner circle?

00:34:33.600 I mean, God knows what's actually going on.

00:34:35.620 But the point is, if that's the future of the Republican Party, it's going to be a very small party.

00:34:43.720 And it's going to be a small party where, like, the worst people in the world are all, like, clustered together, jock-sniffing, yelling at each other.

00:34:51.780 Who knows what they do?

00:34:52.840 But if you wonder, like, who Lindsey Graham actually is, what his gut instincts are, take a look at his first reaction to the death of George Floyd.

00:35:03.980 And in case you don't remember that story, it was Memorial Day 2020.

00:35:07.220 This convicted armed robber, home invader, drug addict from a porn star tries to pass a counterfeit bill in a convenience store, like this poor convenience store owners in Minneapolis and gets arrested for it and then promptly dies of a drug OD.

00:35:22.340 That was all pretty obvious from day one, actually.

00:35:25.560 But that wasn't Lindsey Graham's view at all.

00:35:28.180 Here's what Lindsey Graham said about George Floyd.

00:35:30.160 The topic for the country is what to do after the death of Mr. Floyd.

00:35:34.860 And what does the death of Mr. Floyd mean?

00:35:37.080 Well, it's a long overdue wake-up call to the country that there are too many of these cases where African-American men die in police custody under fairly brutal circumstances.

00:35:48.960 Mr. Floyd's case is outrageous on its face, but I think it speaks to a broader issue.

00:35:54.980 I think this committee has the potential to reinforce things in society that will lead to better policing.

00:36:03.180 And hopefully one day, if you're a young black man and the cops pull up behind you, you'll be wondering if you were going too fast rather than you're going to get beat up.

00:36:13.980 I mean, like, it is liberal white women like Lindsey Graham who are the real problem.

00:36:22.880 I mean, here he is.

00:36:24.700 What's his first instinct?

00:36:26.080 By the way, that's June of 2020.

00:36:28.560 That's like days after it happened.

00:36:30.640 It's a congressional hearing.

00:36:31.540 Kamala Harris is looking like, hmm, as a fake black person, I'm really, really concerned about what you're saying, Lindsey Graham.

00:36:37.400 But he's saying exactly the same thing she would say.

00:36:40.460 Exactly the same.

00:36:41.700 What's the core assumption?

00:36:43.640 That everything you saw on NBC News is true.

00:36:45.920 The story that you were fed was absolutely true.

00:36:48.940 And it was a cop problem.

00:36:50.620 It wasn't George Floyd's.

00:36:51.780 George Floyd had nothing to do with it.

00:36:52.740 He was just like some random black guy who got pulled off the street for being black and executed, thank God, on camera so the rest of us saw it, but for being black.

00:37:01.000 And this is like endemic in our society.

00:37:03.380 It was like happily ever the black person in America is just like murdered by the cops.

00:37:06.340 These damn white cops making $50,000 a year.

00:37:09.480 They have all the power.

00:37:12.260 Yeah.

00:37:12.880 So that was his gut reaction.

00:37:14.900 He bought the whole thing.

00:37:16.020 And there he is lecturing cops.

00:37:17.640 Really, the problem is we need better policing in this country.

00:37:20.100 Really?

00:37:20.320 And of course, none of that turned out to be true.

00:37:23.880 And, you know, it was obvious to some of us on like day one that this was BS.

00:37:27.260 It was a manufactured crisis designed to affect broad social change.

00:37:32.360 It was a revolution.

00:37:33.160 And it was.

00:37:33.840 And it did affect broad social change.

00:37:35.980 And hundreds of thousands of Americans have died of crime or drug odies ever since because of the so-called reforms that people like Lindsey Graham screamed about, screeched about.

00:37:47.320 He and the other liberal white ladies demanded that we re-educate the police because that's their fault.

00:37:55.080 Imagine having that response.

00:37:57.440 You know who all said that response?

00:37:58.200 Dickie Haley had that response.

00:37:59.940 Nickie Haley, also from South Carolina, also a crazed neocon.

00:38:03.180 First thing she said, the riots happening are good for America.

00:38:07.480 We need to watch what's happening and feel the pain because we deserve it.

00:38:11.280 It's our fault.

00:38:12.940 Really?

00:38:14.960 When a convicted armed robber tries to pass a counterfeit bill at some convenience store and then dies of a fentanyl OD, it's our fault?

00:38:25.220 Tell me how that works.

00:38:27.180 But no one challenged her.

00:38:28.340 No one challenged him.

00:38:29.400 They immediately joined the chorus of the worst people in the world whose first instinct was to blame the people who did nothing wrong, in this case, the cops.

00:38:37.420 And the consequences were terrible for American society and no one ever called them to account for it.

00:38:43.100 Now, why did they do that?

00:38:44.340 Partly because all the ladies in a certain income class, or many of them, have just like the same gut reactions.

00:38:51.620 And it's resentment toward men and it's self-hatred and it's guilt and the desire to seem virtuous in public, etc., etc., etc.

00:38:58.120 Books have been written about this, though not enough.

00:38:59.740 But really, it has to be the fact they don't care what happens to the United States because it's not really that relevant because that's not their goal.

00:39:07.960 Their goal is not to improve the United States, which is why they haven't, not even a little bit.

00:39:11.860 Their goal is to be power players in global politics because it makes them feel strong, to kill people because you get a real electric charge from that, and to serve the interests of Israel.

00:39:21.520 Oh, it's an anti-Semitic slur.

00:39:23.940 No, it's what they say out loud all the time.

00:39:29.220 Here's Lindsey Graham.

00:39:30.700 It's an amazing clip.

00:39:31.880 I don't, no one even noticed this.

00:39:33.400 Watch this.

00:39:33.940 This is Lindsey Graham describing his personal travel schedule and how often he's in Israel.

00:39:38.900 Watch this.

00:39:39.740 Well, this is my fifth visit, I think, since October the 7th.

00:39:43.800 I'm here for a reason, to show support to you, my good friend, the elected leader of the state of Israel.

00:39:52.080 I'm here also to take on, and I will talk about this tomorrow, a form of blood libel in 2024, that the state of Israel is using starvation as a weapon of war.

00:40:04.560 It's like an infomercial.

00:40:08.200 It's like a badly shot infomercial for, like, prostate health cures or something, super beats or something.

00:40:14.040 Like, stand there, well, doctors, you know, it's like, it's unbelievable.

00:40:17.940 He is doing PR for a foreign country, and even Netanyahu, he's a prime minister of another country, not our country, another country, looks a little bit embarrassed.

00:40:26.940 Like, who is this weird kind of fawning guy?

00:40:29.440 Is he going to touch my chest?

00:40:30.300 It's, I'm uncomfortable.

00:40:31.240 You can feel that.

00:40:32.080 But the whole point of Lindsey Graham being there, because he tells us it's the point, is to defend Israel from unfair criticism on the internet.

00:40:41.600 Hmm, is that his job as a U.S. senator?

00:40:44.040 To be unpaid, and we're guessing about the unpaid part, but I do sense he'd do it for free, to be a PR shill for a foreign prime minister, not even really the nation, another politician who's not an American.

00:40:58.220 What the hell is going on?

00:40:59.740 And then he just admits out loud, this is my fifth trip to Israel since October 7th.

00:41:06.820 Fifth trip.

00:41:08.440 Huh.

00:41:09.200 So this was in March, so that's five months after October 7th.

00:41:14.200 This is in March of 2024.

00:41:18.040 October 7th was 2023.

00:41:20.020 So five months, five trips to Israel.

00:41:21.880 That's one trip to Israel a month.

00:41:24.620 Huh?

00:41:26.660 Huh?

00:41:27.660 Is there any chance that Lindsey Graham has been in the, I don't know, state capital of South Carolina, Columbia, once a month during that time?

00:41:37.220 No, there's no chance.

00:41:38.100 In fact, he hasn't.

00:41:38.860 By the way, Lindsey Graham was that same year in Ukraine more often than he was in Columbia, South Carolina.

00:41:46.640 And what's he doing there this time?

00:41:49.080 Well, he tells us he is there to refute the blood libel.

00:41:53.140 It's exactly, not exactly what that is, but it's something to do with like anti-Semitism or it means you hate the Jews or you're defending the Holocaust or something horrible.

00:42:00.320 You're a Nazi.

00:42:01.560 Something like totally beyond the pale.

00:42:03.060 And the blood libel is that Israel is using starvation as a weapon of war.

00:42:10.160 Now, who would say that?

00:42:11.500 It does seem like a kind of a tough criticism.

00:42:13.620 Well, let's see.

00:42:14.340 Well, Israeli cabinet ministers, Smotrich and Ben Gavir have both said that out loud.

00:42:20.800 And they're cabinet members in the current government.

00:42:24.360 And they have said, yeah, starve them out.

00:42:26.680 Starve them out.

00:42:27.420 Kill them.

00:42:27.700 I mean, they're all the same.

00:42:28.960 They're Palestinians.

00:42:29.500 Their crime is their genetics.

00:42:35.160 Their blood is tainted.

00:42:36.980 We have magic blood.

00:42:37.840 They have tainted blood.

00:42:39.180 God loves us, hates them.

00:42:41.680 And when they die, it's just a virtuous thing because they're not human.

00:42:47.500 There's no doubt always and everywhere that that kind of thinking, thinking about other people in terms of the group into which they were born,

00:42:56.520 rather than in terms of what they do, what they're like as individuals, that that kind of thinking leads to mass killing, genocide, every single time.

00:43:04.820 And not just in Germany in the 40s, though it did lead to genocide there, but also in the Ottoman Empire in 1918 and also in Rwanda in 1994 and actually throughout history.

00:43:15.800 When people start thinking of other people, not as people, but as components of some larger whole whose value is determined by their blood,

00:43:24.780 you will inevitably wind up killing all of them if you can because they're not really people.

00:43:32.480 And you will also wind up saying out loud that it's okay to starve their children to death as they have said repeatedly.

00:43:40.800 And not just some random guy in the comments section on the Jerusalem Post, but at least two current cabinet members of the current government.

00:43:51.520 But Lindsey Graham is telling us that's a blood libel?

00:43:54.180 Why are you telling me that?

00:43:55.560 I have internet access.

00:43:56.620 Why are you saying that?

00:43:59.520 Because you're a liar.

00:44:01.660 And nothing you say is true.

00:44:06.800 Except what you say about yourself.

00:44:09.560 And that's that you love another country more than you love your own.

00:44:13.200 And you love killing more than you love living.

00:44:15.860 And that's enough to know.

00:44:17.780 You can't be a leader in the party I vote for.

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00:48:12.400 With that in mind, Paul Danz is running against Lindsey Graham in the Republican primary, which

00:48:19.920 is in June of next year.

00:48:22.560 We don't know a ton about him.

00:48:23.900 We're about to find out, but that's all we need to know.

00:48:27.840 This is unacceptable.

00:48:29.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Danz.

00:48:30.420 I'm grateful you're here.

00:48:32.120 My pleasure.

00:48:32.580 Thank you, and I'm grateful that you're running against Lindsey Graham, not just as a protest

00:48:38.740 candidate or some, you know, 80-year-old, I'm fed up guy, but as someone who understands

00:48:43.880 the policies, who's been involved in making policy, and who has a realistic chance of beating

00:48:48.080 Lindsey Graham, and I just want to say out loud yet again, my motives are not personal.

00:48:53.920 I've always liked Lindsey Graham, but I think he's very obviously evil, and if he is the face

00:48:59.900 of the Republican Party, normal people can't support it, including me, so it's so important

00:49:04.840 to send the statement that we are not for killing of innocence or bloodlust or whatever

00:49:10.400 weird demonic trip Lindsey is on, and I, so I'm just, I'm really praying for your victory.

00:49:16.200 So how did you decide, let's just start at the end, how did you decide to run against Lindsey

00:49:20.060 Graham?

00:49:20.900 Well, I'm original MAGA, you know, I kind of go back to even H. Ross Perot days, and we'll

00:49:27.060 get into a little bit about how I kind of-

00:49:28.580 So you supported Perot?

00:49:29.100 Oh, I was a Perot.

00:49:30.300 Perot was my first vote for president.

00:49:32.640 I came from a kind of a traditional ethnic Catholic family, working class.

00:49:38.980 My parents were the first to go to college, first to actually speak English.

00:49:45.180 My siblings were the first.

00:49:46.740 My parents spoke Spanish and French at their households.

00:49:50.800 But, you know, my, why am I running ultimately against Lindsey is for God, family, country.

00:49:55.520 I don't think we have a choice at this stage.

00:49:57.700 This is about the future of the movement, whether MAGA, America first lives or dies, we have

00:50:03.260 to start thinking post-Trump.

00:50:05.340 And this is going to be the fight for the future of this country.

00:50:08.960 I stand on the shoulder of giants, my family's tradition, coming here as immigrants, living

00:50:15.440 the American dream, building, working for it, fighting for it, dying for it.

00:50:19.820 And I can't sit on the sidelines with all the gifts, you know, the Lord has given me at

00:50:25.240 this point in time.

00:50:26.160 I'm a dad of four, now to be five.

00:50:30.840 You have a fifth child on the Lord?

00:50:32.240 I do.

00:50:33.040 It's quite incredible.

00:50:34.620 My wife is 22 weeks pregnant.

00:50:37.220 And it's a blessing from God.

00:50:38.840 You know, this is what happens when two folks try to work from home.

00:50:43.640 Is that what happens?

00:50:45.720 I wish I had five.

00:50:46.840 I'm envious.

00:50:47.320 No, my wife's a famous ballerina.

00:50:49.520 And so she's, you can imagine, she does her workouts at home and everything like that.

00:50:54.360 But I've been very supportive of her business.

00:50:57.620 And I was, you know, working in the trenches, if you will, for the last five, seven years,

00:51:04.220 really, with the Trump admin.

00:51:05.440 I was the architect of Project 2025.

00:51:08.480 And, you know, right now, this is, I believe God has a plan for us all.

00:51:13.600 And this is a calling, but it's also that I have the life experience.

00:51:19.820 I cannot sit back and watch somebody like Lindsey Graham represent our state.

00:51:25.020 I live God, family, country.

00:51:27.320 And when you live those values, that's how you can actually happen, make them happen in Washington.

00:51:32.300 Well, that's exactly right, because it's sincere.

00:51:34.000 Because you're defending your religious faith, your family, and your nation.

00:51:39.040 It's not theoretical.

00:51:40.580 It's not an ideology.

00:51:41.420 It's not a personal fetish, which I think in his case it is.

00:51:45.480 If I see one more homoerotic picture of Lindsey with Ukrainian soldiers, I'm just, I don't know what I'm going to do.

00:51:50.840 And I'm not attacking, you know, or attacking gays or anything like that.

00:51:54.160 But, like, this is just, this is a one-man sick fetish being imposed on a nation of 350 million, and I'm just sick of it.

00:52:01.400 But it's one thing to oppose that.

00:52:04.000 I'm not running against Lindsey Graham.

00:52:05.160 Like, how did you actually decide to put it on the line and start a Senate campaign?

00:52:10.060 Well, like I say, I was a Trump guy before Trump knew he was running.

00:52:15.360 I, and we can talk more about my family's bio, because I feel that that informs so much of who I am.

00:52:21.980 Yeah.

00:52:22.140 But, you know, I was hoping Trump won, ran in 2012.

00:52:27.860 Yeah.

00:52:28.020 And I'm one of these guys who was kind of curious about the birthplace of a former president, if you will, which Trump was asking all those questions.

00:52:36.780 I remember him going up to Vermont, to New Hampshire here, and I thought he was going to announce, and famously he called on for the birth certificate.

00:52:45.140 But, you know, Trump was a disruptor.

00:52:48.740 So you saw Trump even then, in 2011-12, as a potential political leader.

00:52:55.240 Absolutely.

00:52:55.900 You know, my dad's family came up from a cold water flat in New York City, and, you know, my grandparents built that city.

00:53:03.800 They were emigres, my, my, they were born in the U.S., but their, their parents weren't.

00:53:10.700 And to see that city grow, you know, my grandfather was at sea for 40 years as a, as a Marine, a merchant Marine.

00:53:19.260 And my grandmother was an interpreter.

00:53:22.240 She spoke eight languages in, in, in the city.

00:53:24.920 But the malaise that happened in the 1970s, they never thought would change.

00:53:29.500 And then it did change with Rudy Giuliani and Trump and this belief that we could rebuild in America.

00:53:36.420 And so I knew of Trump long before that, just from hearing the stories of my grandparents about, you know, facing being mugged on the subway and all the, how the city had slid down.

00:53:47.200 And finally people were digging out New York.

00:53:49.400 And he's, he's famous for the Wallman rink there, but it's emblematic of somebody who basically comes in and reorders the system and who kind of is a strong man in a way as a mayor or somebody who can actually come in and get things done when bureaucrats are running around doing nothing.

00:54:08.140 It's, it's funny that you, you saw that so early.

00:54:10.340 I didn't at all.

00:54:11.420 And when Trump called me in 2015 to say he was running, I, I knew him, of course, I always liked him, but I said, um, you know, that's, I laughed at him because I didn't get it at all.

00:54:24.060 And I didn't take it seriously at all.

00:54:26.500 I mean, I soon changed my views, but I just, it's interesting that you saw it so early.

00:54:30.920 Well, like I say, you know, we, we graduated my, um, you know, if we can go back to, to kind of how I evolved as, as to be like a Republican.

00:54:40.300 Um, my family, uh, Dan's in Spanish is Gallego and my, um, grandparents, um, were living down in a cold water flat.

00:54:49.780 That means there's no hot water.

00:54:51.040 This is a tenement that they tore down.

00:54:53.260 They moved my family into housing projects.

00:54:55.440 Um, and ultimately my dad was, was his only child, but he was, you can think of it almost as a dookie house or a guy who was raised by his, uh, maternal grandmother because everyone's working.

00:55:06.960 She was, uh, a cleaning lady, um, and he made it to, uh, military school, graduated college at 19 and then Columbia Medical School at 23.

00:55:17.860 So he became like a leading man in medicine.

00:55:20.240 He was, um, in the Barry plan, uh, which is the doctor's draft back in the sixties.

00:55:27.040 Um, they needed doctors for the military.

00:55:29.060 So my dad was drafted into that and did his Vietnam service, um, in the NIH.

00:55:33.880 Um, but this was, you know, at the time my grandfather was, uh, at sea and, um, this is when New York was really its top mercantile, um, existence where there were actually factories in New York City.

00:55:46.640 Um, he was later on, on the Murmansk run, which is the famous, um, convoys in the North Atlantic.

00:55:53.000 And grandpa was in the engine room, which, um, you know, this is, if you want a definition of what a man is, because I know our culture struggles to define a woman, but you can imagine somebody like Popeye.

00:56:05.220 I think my grandparents literally looked like Popeye in olive oil, but, um, he literally had a, uh, tattoo on his forearm.

00:56:11.620 But these were the people who were just brave and did it, you know, and, uh, he, he went to, to, uh, see in World War II, you know, Nazi torpedoes sunk in his boat.

00:56:23.920 These guys, when they came home, the merchant Marines, these were hardscrabble people.

00:56:27.780 They didn't even get veterans benefits.

00:56:29.900 So my family tradition is kind of like giving everything for this country and getting kicked in the teeth for it and then coming and loving it even more.

00:56:37.860 So, um, ultimately they did give veterans benefits in 1989.

00:56:43.060 And I believe that, uh, Goldwater, Barry Goldwater was one of the chief champions of this.

00:56:49.120 So my grandparents became Goldwater conservatives.

00:56:52.320 Really?

00:56:52.720 That's how they, they evolved to be Reaganites.

00:56:55.240 So they were kind of these hard hat outer borough, uh, New Yorkers who, who moved from, you know, slum tenements to public housing.

00:57:04.000 And then ultimately to a little piece of the rock up in the Bronx.

00:57:08.640 So that's my dad's side of the family.

00:57:11.180 And, you know, on my mom's side is even more, you know, maybe not more patriotic, but the same sort of crew that came from working class stock.

00:57:18.820 They were, um, French Canadian immigrants.

00:57:21.740 Um, my, uh, grandfather was one of 22.

00:57:24.900 That's kind of, I guess, runs in our blood.

00:57:27.240 Um, but he, my mom, uh, was the youngest of eight in a town called Woonsocket.

00:57:33.020 Uh, they worked in the textile.

00:57:34.440 Woonsocket, Rhode Island.

00:57:35.460 Woonsocket, Rhode Island.

00:57:36.860 Um, textile mill workers, right?

00:57:38.980 And these guys were the mechanical geniuses.

00:57:41.740 Um, five of her brothers went off, fought World War II.

00:57:44.460 Their first language was, was French.

00:57:46.300 Yeah.

00:57:46.520 So they actually went behind enemy lines.

00:57:49.260 They cut the supply lines.

00:57:50.540 They landed on D-Day.

00:57:51.620 And these were the simple guys who kind of came back to the machine, machine shops and

00:57:56.360 stuff, uh, here to only see the factory town move abroad.

00:58:00.660 Yeah.

00:58:00.980 In, um, in the 1990s.

00:58:03.100 It's a story of all New England.

00:58:04.380 Yeah.

00:58:04.620 The French, you know, the, the Arcadians coming down to staff the factories and then just getting

00:58:09.340 marooned.

00:58:10.060 Yeah.

00:58:10.320 It's, it's the story of all over this country, you know?

00:58:13.080 Yeah.

00:58:13.260 And we had moved around, like I say, my dad was in the military.

00:58:16.560 I know Lindsay's team likes to tag me as a New Englander, but, uh, I love it.

00:58:21.620 I lived in Boston for all two months when I was a baby.

00:58:24.120 Um, but my dad was on orders from the military.

00:58:26.860 So, you know, it's kind of like, he's a Vietnam vet and, and we're a military family moving

00:58:31.080 around.

00:58:31.460 We, we moved to Colorado in the early seventies and this was post hippie Colorado and dad wasn't

00:58:39.220 quite a social justice warrior, but it was a little closer to kind of Archie Bunker dynamic

00:58:44.460 where he, they were, you know, kind of questioning the Vietnam war.

00:58:48.720 Um, dad had done his service, but there wasn't something sitting right about it.

00:58:53.360 And, um, ultimately he stood up the first migrant health clinic in, and kind of, because his

00:59:00.020 first language was Spanish.

00:59:01.120 So, um, as well as like VD walk-in clinics, these were, my dad revolutionized a lot of how

00:59:07.240 medical care is given that we take for granted.

00:59:09.640 Um, in the old days, you only had a primary care physician.

00:59:12.480 So we came East in the, in, uh, the bicentennial year in 1976, and that was kind of my wonder

00:59:20.380 years.

00:59:21.080 And I think that's what really built the whole patriotic feeling.

00:59:24.480 Cause, you know, these were, all I knew were these great quiet men and women who sacrificed

00:59:29.640 for the country and, you know, living in the, in the, uh, footsteps of Mount Vernon.

00:59:35.380 And we came East, that was a health policy fellow on, on the Hill and got a taste of kind

00:59:40.160 of, uh, public policy.

00:59:42.460 And, um, we got to go around Washington in, in the bicentennial year.

00:59:47.100 My parents were, uh, my mom was, um, uh, chemist.

00:59:51.760 She and he, and my father were introduced by the parish priest in 1966 in, in Washington.

00:59:59.060 So they were Kennedy-esque.

01:00:01.280 They were the people who came to Washington and were not asking what their country could

01:00:05.880 do for them, but what they could do for their country.

01:00:08.020 So literally I'm, I'm the spawn of two NIH scientists and, um, very patriotic background.

01:00:16.220 We, um, you know, learned, uh, back in those days, we used to sing songs, uh, patriotic songs

01:00:22.760 in second grade and third grade and, and, uh, kind of came up through that, um, dead ultimately

01:00:28.700 got, uh, recruited to Johns Hopkins where he stood up the first ethics and medicine course.

01:00:35.560 So dad and mom, we were very, uh, uh, faithful Catholics and, uh, always going to church.

01:00:42.440 I was an altar boy after all.

01:00:44.640 Um, but that's how we kind of grew up K through 12 public schools.

01:00:47.680 My mom went and worked in the underprivileged schools in Baltimore.

01:00:52.020 And, um, I went to MIT.

01:00:54.760 I was recruited to go to MIT and, and there I kind of encountered.

01:00:58.700 The first taste of globalism and what was happening and this kind of struggle to hold

01:01:04.020 on to your working class value roots and your family in the face of kind of what they're

01:01:09.540 telling you, uh, a more global picture.

01:01:12.460 And, and that's, that rubbed me the wrong way.

01:01:14.860 And that's how I, how I got to H. Ross.

01:01:16.560 You never fell for it at all.

01:01:18.420 No, I didn't.

01:01:19.280 I, you know, I think it was, I was blessed with great parents.

01:01:22.000 You know, I, I, I really respected mom and dad and, and ultimately I think when you look

01:01:28.780 at a politician, you want to, you should have a right to value that person and say that

01:01:33.840 person could be a role model.

01:01:35.100 I struggle in life, but I was blessed with the right direction early on.

01:01:38.980 And I know a lot of people haven't been in those situations and have to overcome things.

01:01:43.020 I certainly overcame a lot is in my childhood as well.

01:01:47.220 Um, but you know, you have the grounding that you get and, and those, um, values carry you

01:01:53.580 for the rest of your life.

01:01:54.440 And, um, I didn't fall for it.

01:01:57.180 Uh, and I saw, you know, my twin brother, identical twin Tom, um, went to Brown.

01:02:03.000 Um, so he's going to Brown at the same time I'm going at MIT and I'm hearing about this

01:02:08.620 kind of, uh, this where they incubated cultural Marxism.

01:02:12.880 Okay.

01:02:13.320 My two sisters both went to Princeton.

01:02:15.880 So we were like this kind of family of nerds, right?

01:02:19.340 That my dad was a professor.

01:02:21.360 My mom was a public school teacher and we were all about education, you know, gifted and

01:02:25.540 talented, always, always striving.

01:02:27.640 Um, but we began to get this dosage of, of cultural Marxism.

01:02:34.040 Um, what was interesting though, was we came up at the end of kind of the Cold War period.

01:02:39.340 So in public schools in Baltimore County, they actually were teaching Russian and my three

01:02:45.540 siblings learned were Russian from probably retired CIA agent that they were, um, but we,

01:02:52.120 they were the last off the production line of kind of, um, you know, red blooded Americans

01:02:57.400 who could speak Russian and, and, you know, my parents had this, uh, just a great ability

01:03:02.920 to inculcate us with values and arts.

01:03:07.260 And my mom was a pianist.

01:03:09.080 She, she turned down the scholarship to Eastman School of Music to go to college at Trinity

01:03:14.120 in Washington, the first of the full scholarship.

01:03:16.940 But so that's, I never fell for it.

01:03:19.880 Um, and I felt quite the opposite.

01:03:23.740 I, I, I pursued economics at MIT and, and then ultimately a master in, in urban planning.

01:03:30.300 And that's where, uh, I became a, if you will, a community organizer later on knocked Obama

01:03:36.140 was the community organizer in chief, but that's where they were training also starting a lot

01:03:41.040 of this kind of, um, indigenous people work and kind of, uh, questioning of American society,

01:03:48.180 uh, from a social organizing sort of point of view.

01:03:51.060 But to back track to the economics, this is, um, at MIT in the early nineties was when they

01:03:58.880 were putting up the theoretical basis for globalism.

01:04:02.520 And I remember, you know, MIT economics is probably the top in the world.

01:04:06.920 And that's where all the Nobelists hang their hat.

01:04:09.320 And my, my macro econ professor Sola was literally receiving the, the, um, uh, the award that,

01:04:19.660 that year in 91, I believe it was or 90.

01:04:23.480 And, uh, he was beginning to put the theoretical underpinnings for if we moved production out

01:04:28.620 of the United States, but as long as the return to capital came back to United States citizens,

01:04:33.900 we would be all set.

01:04:35.360 Um, and what they never factored in is what, what they called externalities.

01:04:40.180 And the externalities are the mom and pops and all the families that have built their

01:04:45.180 entire life around this factory town that have all their equity in that house, that have

01:04:49.940 their social.

01:04:50.700 The idea was you could just move.

01:04:52.300 And if you make it easy for capital to move, then human beings will move and you'll just

01:04:56.820 have a much more efficient system and you'll take out all the friction and everything will

01:05:00.340 be great.

01:05:00.740 Well, I'll be richer and happier.

01:05:02.420 Yeah.

01:05:02.560 Well, it was obvious immediate because Gary, Indiana had already happened.

01:05:05.940 Detroit had already happened.

01:05:07.120 So we, Baltimore had already happened.

01:05:09.140 The steel mill had closed in Baltimore.

01:05:10.220 So it's like, you knew what would happen if you took the manufacturing out because it

01:05:14.500 had happened.

01:05:15.500 They didn't care at all.

01:05:17.160 Well, I used to take the train up from Baltimore to MIT.

01:05:20.620 And that's how I, I talked about seeing the passing scenery of these derelict factories.

01:05:25.440 And I'm the guy who's staring out the window the whole time, imagining going, what's happening

01:05:29.600 here?

01:05:29.940 And I'm knowing about my own family, you know, my, my uncles, they, they've fearlessly

01:05:35.580 fought World War II.

01:05:36.660 They came back and, you know, the, the, the mill closed and the mill moved.

01:05:40.720 And now he's literally a Maytag repairman and, you know, the kids are getting into alcohol

01:05:46.560 and drugs and, and this, and you can kind of see it happening in real time.

01:05:50.620 It's just kind of weird for circa 1990, anyone to be trying to expand the, the disaster that

01:06:00.420 led to the pro campaign, ultimately led to, to Trump presidencies.

01:06:03.780 Like we knew, and I lived here, we're the same age.

01:06:07.260 I remember very well thinking, well, that doesn't work.

01:06:10.740 If it worked, then what is the explanation for Gary, Indiana?

01:06:14.320 Yeah.

01:06:14.620 Well, I mean, the giant sucking sound from the South, when, when, when he put that in

01:06:19.260 place, uh, H. Ross Perot did, and basically talked about NAFTA and the fact of moving all

01:06:24.220 these factories over, over the border.

01:06:26.900 Um, he was prescient about it.

01:06:28.940 And to be sure it, you know, we were, we were coming out of this peace dividend.

01:06:34.220 Clinton had just come up to be president and we were talking about base closures and

01:06:38.680 realignments.

01:06:39.840 And, uh, this is kind of like, we had a great opportunity to make this the country of milk

01:06:45.280 and honey.

01:06:45.900 Like you have to back up and say, why are we not overflowing here?

01:06:50.760 Why is, why do we live in, in a, in a society where people are literally knuckle dragging right

01:06:56.560 now with fentanyl in Philadelphia and walking around?

01:06:59.200 Like, how could this be after we had fought those wars and invested all that blood and

01:07:04.300 treasure?

01:07:04.860 Yeah.

01:07:04.980 I thought we won.

01:07:06.000 We did.

01:07:06.800 You would have thought, right?

01:07:08.180 Um, but you know, the struggle, the fight never ends.

01:07:11.280 And that's the point of why I'm running that we need to, um, there's just so much shared

01:07:16.600 sacrifice over 250 years from not only my ancestors, but pretty much everyone listening to this.

01:07:22.640 They have a story, some root back longer.

01:07:25.520 My wife's family came 300 years ago and they were, you know, farmers in Eastern North Carolina

01:07:31.060 and, and kind of hardscrabble life.

01:07:33.080 You want to listen to the stories of my mother-in-law talk about the wall and like the deprivation

01:07:38.240 after the civil war even.

01:07:40.500 Um, but you know, it's, it's to forget all that in a, in a generation or two is, is absurd.

01:07:46.880 And, and I have the ability now that I've, I've worked on the front lines.

01:07:51.980 I was a top attorney in Manhattan.

01:07:54.240 Um, I, I facing off with the progressives.

01:07:57.380 I understand how they think.

01:07:59.180 And then I went into government and was able to re reinvent it in a way that now has allowed

01:08:05.540 president Trump to come out, you know, as gangbusters.

01:08:09.500 That's what, that's why I'm standing up.

01:08:11.260 As important as it is, politics is not the answer to this country's or man's greatest

01:08:16.180 problem.

01:08:16.720 The only solution is Jesus.

01:08:19.200 Sorry, that's true.

01:08:21.220 At its core, politics is a process of critiquing other people and getting them to change.

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01:08:29.380 Christianity begins with a call for you to change, me to change.

01:08:34.180 It's called repentance and it brings you back to God.

01:08:37.880 When God is at the center, hearts change.

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01:10:47.500 It's interesting, though, because you, you know, you look back to, not to dwell on the

01:10:52.200 past, but to, say, 1990, 1992, Clinton's election, 1998, I think, Lindsey Graham's election.

01:11:01.100 And it just seemed like it was liberals versus conservatives.

01:11:05.120 It was like normal people versus Clinton or later normal people versus Obama.

01:11:09.780 You didn't really understand, or I didn't understand, that there were different kinds of Republicans.

01:11:14.440 And some of them were actually aligned with the Democrats secretly, Lindsey being the most obvious, and others were really for the country and for fixing the country.

01:11:23.800 I didn't get that.

01:11:25.260 You clearly did.

01:11:26.900 If you're supporting, tell me why you supported Perot, for example, in 92, his first run.

01:11:30.820 Well, you know, I think it was that my parents were this kind of, you know, push and pull with Reagan.

01:11:38.200 I mean, to your credit, you guys saw Reagan early on, and my grandparents saw Reagan early on.

01:11:43.820 I was John Anderson, if you will, if you want to really go back.

01:11:47.640 In fourth grade, we had the, you know, we did our mock debates, and I was, there was Reagan, and there was Carter, and I was John Anderson in that.

01:11:58.800 You lived in my neighborhood.

01:11:59.960 No kidding.

01:12:00.560 So I guess it was the independent streak was early on in me.

01:12:05.600 And, you know, it was really searching for the values that I was never part of anyone's club.

01:12:12.160 Okay.

01:12:12.460 So, you know, we had, my dad was in academic medicine.

01:12:17.180 We weren't wealthy, but we did well enough.

01:12:19.700 But we were public schools, and I, you know, as a nerd, basically, I had glasses, I had headgear, if anybody remembers that.

01:12:28.900 And I had a tough time, I had dyslexia, and...

01:12:32.160 Headgear and dyslexia?

01:12:33.980 Oh, yeah, I had it all.

01:12:35.060 Can you explain what, for those who are, you know, not 56, what headgear is?

01:12:39.600 Well, that was an orthodontic thing where...

01:12:41.880 Yeah, it sure was.

01:12:43.000 It was also an aesthetic thing.

01:12:44.400 Yeah, I mean, you know, growing up in the 80s was a magical time, really.

01:12:49.820 I wouldn't trade it for the world, and I think there's a lot, you know, I even talk about going back to the future now.

01:12:56.060 But, you know, it was a little difficult junior high, but I was, you know, nurtured by my parents.

01:13:02.320 I was, you know, a mass whiz.

01:13:03.920 Not to linger, but on headgear, for those who don't know, there were, like, wires that went, like, around the back of your neck on your teeth, right?

01:13:11.120 Oh, yeah.

01:13:11.440 No, this was a kind of a passage of adolescence, you know?

01:13:16.660 But it's pretty, it was extreme orthodontia.

01:13:18.740 It was, like, it was the orthodontic equivalent of, like, the halo you get when you break your neck.

01:13:23.820 Yeah, I mean, it was not flattering, but...

01:13:27.300 Makes a tough man, though, over time, doesn't it?

01:13:29.100 Oh, sure, sure.

01:13:29.880 You know, I ultimately became an All-American lacrosse player.

01:13:33.480 You know, this is, like, we had this nurturing.

01:13:36.560 I mean, the guys who ran our school system were the Korean War vets.

01:13:41.820 So, I really credit them in this kind of Cold War Baltimore upbringing where they were, like, you know, weak American teenagers.

01:13:51.200 I remember my gym coach there in junior high talking about, like, you know, we had to do push-ups and we had, you know, it was, like, the showering and going out there and playing football and just kind of, like, stuff nowadays people would be, like, no, that doesn't work.

01:14:07.100 But they would take wrestling and they'd be, like, you and you wrestle now in the center of the thing.

01:14:11.940 And it was, that was kind of what we were growing up with.

01:14:14.000 But the, my principal there in public school was this quiet man in terms of humble, a war hero.

01:14:22.320 He literally didn't have use of his arm, but he was, Dr. Cato would say, you know, he saluted excellence.

01:14:28.740 His entire thing was at Delaney, we'd do things just a little bit better.

01:14:33.080 And he'd get on the internet, on the intercom and basically salutes every time a student really excelled.

01:14:40.740 So, he, it was, it was merit-based.

01:14:43.760 It was all about excellence.

01:14:45.320 It was always about pushing yourself just a little bit harder.

01:14:48.840 And that's what I came up with.

01:14:51.700 And that's the sort of values, I think, that built our country and we need them back.

01:14:55.860 Okay, so, but to be fair to Lindsey, if you were to ask Lindsey what makes you qualified to be a senator, he would say, well, fundamentally, I'm patriotic.

01:15:06.300 I love this country.

01:15:07.020 I'm from a patriotic family.

01:15:08.320 I believe in the same values that founded this country.

01:15:10.540 Like, he would say the same.

01:15:12.500 I think any politician would say the same on, certainly in the Republican Party.

01:15:16.900 But what is it about Lindsey that gives you the impression he's not telling the truth about that?

01:15:22.900 Well, look, he has a 32-year record.

01:15:25.060 He's actually elected in 1994.

01:15:27.560 So, he had...

01:15:27.920 Oh, was he class of 94?

01:15:29.200 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:29.520 He had four full terms in the House.

01:15:32.580 Oh, I remember.

01:15:33.260 And now he's done four full terms in the Senate.

01:15:35.560 And so, let's, like, break down his record here.

01:15:38.120 When he came to Washington, it was $5 trillion.

01:15:41.460 Now, it's $38 trillion.

01:15:43.360 So, his entire time has been deficit spending without any regard for this debt.

01:15:49.800 He also, you know, he is marked with these endless wars.

01:15:54.180 Everything he's supported from, you know, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, you name it, he wants to invade it and bomb it.

01:16:03.440 And then just this last couple of weeks, obviously, Venezuela and Iran before that.

01:16:09.720 So, this notion of patriotism for him only runs towards kinetic fighting abroad for...

01:16:18.960 And then we have to ask, what is the purpose of that?

01:16:21.060 Because every time we extend ourselves abroad, you know, we are necessarily diminishing our ability to build this city on the hill back home.

01:16:31.680 Well, yeah.

01:16:32.220 He's never, you know, championed any of these things.

01:16:35.800 Like, here, I have this life experience where my parents were NIH scientists.

01:16:40.940 I, like, look, I was at my mother's deathbed when she died of cancer, breast cancer at 65.

01:16:47.160 You know, and I'll never use the term death throes when you've actually seen your mom pass.

01:16:53.840 But why do we still have breast cancer?

01:16:56.180 Why do we sell $300 billion to Ukraine?

01:16:59.760 Why, you know, and likewise with my dad, like, great man of modern medicine at Hopkins.

01:17:06.040 I had to say goodbye to the dad in the moon suit, you know, with COVID in February 2021.

01:17:13.500 This is right after Trump left office.

01:17:16.460 But, you know, they were, the whole COVID thing was just so ridiculously foisted on us.

01:17:23.500 And we need to get to the bottom of that.

01:17:25.480 So, but, you know, I walked in there on day three and they said, you could say goodbye to your dad for like 15 minutes.

01:17:33.000 And then I go, well, he doesn't really have COVID.

01:17:35.520 Could you test them?

01:17:36.380 And, you know, they refused to test them.

01:17:38.120 They kept, you know, those tests didn't really work in after a fact.

01:17:40.900 And they told us all this transmissibility lies, but, you know, dad ultimately expired seven on day seven.

01:17:49.000 And they're like, well, you can use a, you know, a laptop if you want to join him or whatever.

01:17:54.500 So, you know, I've suffered a lot of this personally, where I feel like we need that fire in the belly to get up there and use,

01:18:02.980 to use this perch in Congress, in the Senate, to really drill down on these people and get Americans' answers.

01:18:10.240 What happened?

01:18:11.240 Do you see Lindsey as like an effective voice in any of these issues, the ones that matter to Americans?

01:18:17.920 Not at all.

01:18:18.620 No, I think he's quite the opposite.

01:18:20.500 He's run interference for the deep state.

01:18:22.460 I like to call him deep state Lindsey because if you trace back, look, if Lindsey had his way, there never would have been a Trump.

01:18:30.360 And we can't be gaslit to forget all this.

01:18:33.620 He was the one of the most vociferous attackers on Trump early on.

01:18:38.440 He said, Trump, it would be the worst nominee in the history of the Republican Party.

01:18:43.620 If you want to make America great again, tell Donald Trump to go to hell.

01:18:47.840 And, you know, he voted for the CIA stooge, Evan McMuffin, Evan McMullen.

01:18:54.580 Like he didn't even vote for Trump, guys.

01:18:56.560 And then what happened was-

01:18:58.120 He voted for Evan McMuffin?

01:18:59.560 Yes.

01:19:00.360 Did he admit that?

01:19:01.520 Yes.

01:19:02.000 He probably admitted it.

01:19:03.620 You know, this is a guy who is-

01:19:06.440 Evan McMuffin was like a literally connected to the CIA and Mindy Finn or whoever that creepy woman he ran with.

01:19:12.220 We can't forget history.

01:19:14.120 I mean, we shouldn't forget COVID.

01:19:16.460 We can't forget 9-11, but you can't forget what Lindsey Graham's been about.

01:19:19.920 He did not change his stripes.

01:19:21.240 This guy is a vehement, shape-shifting anti-Trumper.

01:19:24.960 In 17, when we had both houses of Congress and the presidency, and remember the seminal promise was to build the wall, what did this guy do?

01:19:35.400 He went and reinforced that bogus narrative that the Russians had hacked the election.

01:19:40.660 He literally had subcommittee hearings where he said the purpose of this hearing is to reinforce that the Russians had interfered with the election.

01:19:50.980 And that had the point of carrying water for the Democrats to delegitimize Trump.

01:19:55.500 So instead of building a wall, which now fast forward 10 years later, there's 20 million, you know, invaders in this country.

01:20:03.360 This is how this guy used his seat in Congress to actually delegitimize it, to basically support Ray.

01:20:10.040 He voted for Ray.

01:20:11.360 He voted for Comey.

01:20:13.340 When the president threatened to fire Mueller, he threatened the president.

01:20:17.180 And every option that he ever had to do any oversight on this kind of spying mechanism, kind of deep state, he always abstained.

01:20:28.960 So, you know, even you see a great thing where he was chairman of the Judiciary Committee in 19 and 20.

01:20:38.080 And Maria Bartiroma was asking repeatedly, when are you going to issue subpoenas?

01:20:43.820 When are you going to get to the bottom of this?

01:20:45.420 And he said, you know, I will send a strongly worded letter when they're wrapped on their investigation.

01:20:53.380 Yeah, when they...

01:20:53.880 So it never happened.

01:20:55.840 And, you know, this is a guy who's basically running interference for the other side.

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01:22:45.760 I remember walking into the Monocle, which is a restaurant right up North Capitol Street.

01:22:51.780 On Capitol Hill in Washington.

01:22:53.540 It was right across the street from Fox.

01:22:54.780 We eat there.

01:22:55.220 Great restaurant.

01:22:56.160 Great owners.

01:22:57.000 Great people.

01:22:57.620 But it's basically the Senate dining room.

01:22:59.120 You know, they're there every day.

01:23:01.140 And I remember walking in for lunch one day and there was Lindsay sitting in a booth with

01:23:06.620 James Murdoch, who is Rupert Murdoch's son, very left-wing son, vehemently anti-Trump,

01:23:11.460 spent a ton of millions of dollars against Trump, you know, huge donor to the ADL, like

01:23:16.060 really, really a dark figure.

01:23:18.060 And there was Lindsay, drunk, by the way.

01:23:21.340 I don't think, you know, that uncommon for him.

01:23:24.980 Yapping away, laughing with James Murdoch.

01:23:27.040 And I was like, holy smokes.

01:23:28.040 And I work for the Murdochs.

01:23:28.900 Like, I know who James Murdoch is.

01:23:30.140 He hates me.

01:23:31.660 And there's Lindsay, like, clearly plotting with him.

01:23:33.740 And then Lindsay sees me.

01:23:34.960 And, you know, he's very friendly, I will say.

01:23:38.300 And he comes up and he's like, rah!

01:23:40.240 All like, drunkenly talking to me.

01:23:42.040 But I'm like, wow, you're eating with James Murdoch.

01:23:43.780 Like, he is the deep stater.

01:23:46.980 There's no question.

01:23:48.980 Well, I mean, I think when he tried to stop Trump the first time and then he was, you

01:23:55.360 know, beholden to John McCain.

01:23:56.580 And when John McCain died, that's when he flipped and he changed tactics.

01:24:00.200 And it was like he was going to literally grab his golf bag and try to cozy up to the

01:24:05.760 president.

01:24:06.360 And he saw 2020 coming.

01:24:08.520 Look, the whole state hates Lindsay.

01:24:10.560 I mean, he's been booed in his own hometown for six minutes straight.

01:24:15.760 He won't get on the stage with President Trump because he knows he'll face this booing.

01:24:20.400 They literally turn their backs on him.

01:24:22.080 Um, but he knew that everyone in South Carolina was rabid Trump and that was going to be the

01:24:27.980 only way for him to reinvent himself.

01:24:30.120 So how does he keep getting reelected?

01:24:32.660 Well, you know, in 2020, I think it was a fluke.

01:24:36.100 I think it was under cover of COVID.

01:24:39.040 And, you know, the point was that we had, there was no viable challenger.

01:24:45.220 There is a machine in South Carolina.

01:24:47.400 Yeah.

01:24:47.520 You know, and I'm running against the machine.

01:24:49.600 I've never been part of anyone's club.

01:24:52.080 And that probably goes back to the headgear and the glasses.

01:24:54.820 But, you know, I'm an outsider and I, and I attack.

01:24:58.100 Um, but, you know, there is serious money involved and again, you have to be willing.

01:25:04.200 The donors like Lindsay?

01:25:05.680 Well, do they play a role in this?

01:25:10.060 Yes.

01:25:10.580 I mean, it's, it's incredible that I'm here to wrestle this Senate seat back to the people

01:25:15.980 of South Carolina.

01:25:16.920 So the donors shouldn't be totally in charge of the country.

01:25:20.280 Is that what you're saying?

01:25:20.940 That's my proposition.

01:25:22.840 Look, it's extraordinary that he got reelected in 20.

01:25:26.660 And, you know, in short order, he was turning his back right on Trump.

01:25:30.100 He famously, you know, in, on July, on January 6th, he incredulously said to the Capitol

01:25:38.200 police, we gave you guns.

01:25:41.120 Why didn't you shoot more of those people in the head?

01:25:43.280 That this is a guy who, um, you know, not was standing.

01:25:47.140 He gave you guns.

01:25:47.860 Why didn't you shoot more people?

01:25:49.380 And I'm really trying not to be vicious or use slurs against Lindsay Grady.

01:25:53.800 He certainly used them against me.

01:25:54.720 But I want to be, I want to be Christian.

01:25:57.020 I don't want to do that.

01:25:58.120 But boy, it's tempting when you hear that because that is so evil.

01:26:01.760 Why didn't you shoot?

01:26:02.340 These are Americans.

01:26:02.980 These are Americans.

01:26:03.800 These are protesters.

01:26:04.920 They're exercising their First Amendment rights.

01:26:06.860 They're also like the most decent people in the country.

01:26:08.840 They're like toting their little pocket constitutions.

01:26:11.980 Like they, they believe in our system.

01:26:13.840 They believe in the, in the order that our founders created.

01:26:16.900 And Lindsay Graham doesn't and doesn't care.

01:26:18.420 And he's calling for their murder.

01:26:20.840 I mean, he.

01:26:21.800 That's unbelievable to me.

01:26:23.120 He's always calling for violence.

01:26:24.980 It's, it's almost a bizarre, um, you know, it's killing, uh, at, at the top of his mind.

01:26:32.420 Well, he is.

01:26:32.760 He just did this.

01:26:33.580 I think, I don't know if it was violence against me.

01:26:35.540 I know he was attacking me.

01:26:36.720 That's not why I'm doing this.

01:26:38.400 Um, I don't care what he thinks of me, but I just, he was calling for violence.

01:26:42.140 Wasn't he calling for violence this past weekend?

01:26:44.000 Yeah, he was speaking.

01:26:45.280 It's, it's actually a disqualifying speech.

01:26:47.420 If you look at it, it's so unbecoming of the United States center.

01:26:50.220 And I, and I think it's, it's one for the books, but, uh, he got up there in Las Vegas,

01:26:55.820 the Republican Jewish coalition.

01:26:58.120 And, uh, he definitely seemed to be under the influence of something.

01:27:01.880 Well, he's drunk all the time.

01:27:03.320 It seems to me, I have noticed that, look, I'm not calling him an alcoholic.

01:27:06.060 I'm just saying as, as an alcoholic myself, who's recovered, I would say every time I see

01:27:11.420 him, he's drunk.

01:27:12.100 So there's something.

01:27:13.900 Well, he was feeling his oats and, uh, he got up.

01:27:17.420 He got up there and literally said to the audience who are Jewish in the main, um, and

01:27:21.840 I, I, I think that this is a great slander, you know, in times, in terms of characterizing

01:27:27.600 your caricaturing your audience.

01:27:29.600 He said, um, about, about the administration, we are killing all the right people and we're

01:27:36.620 cutting your taxes.

01:27:38.240 Killing all the right people.

01:27:39.100 When you find yourself, I mean, he's 70 years old.

01:27:41.980 He's going to have to face the consequences of this at some point, the eternal consequences.

01:27:45.660 If you're bragging about killing people.

01:27:47.540 Well, I think there is a sixth commandment against such a thing on the instruction from

01:27:52.320 our Lord, um, many millennia ago, but, uh, you know, let's break that down to, you know,

01:27:59.020 it is constituent parts as an attorney.

01:28:01.700 I, you know, if I were taking a deposition of him under oath, I'd say, let's, let's break

01:28:05.880 this sentence down.

01:28:06.920 Okay.

01:28:07.440 We are killing.

01:28:08.960 Who is the, we in this?

01:28:10.600 Okay.

01:28:10.960 Are we talking now about the United States government?

01:28:14.200 Are we talking about the Ukrainians?

01:28:17.600 Are we talking about the government of Israel?

01:28:20.160 Who, who is we?

01:28:21.620 And then killing, you know, it's like, okay, well, are we talking about, um, bombing people

01:28:27.600 or how are exactly, are we killing them off?

01:28:29.840 Doesn't matter.

01:28:30.480 You know, and then all the right people.

01:28:32.940 And then you say to yourself, well, all the right people, or you mean people on the right?

01:28:37.680 Well, Charlie Kirk was just killed, you know, um, like, can you have a little bit of space

01:28:43.760 from the man's actual wake before you're intoning violence?

01:28:47.540 And then he, he turns in the next sentences to actually threaten violence against the right.

01:28:52.960 Now, this is a guy who just said, shoot people in the head on J6 is now saying, if someone

01:28:59.020 stands for office and critiques Israel, we're going to beat their brains in.

01:29:05.240 He said that?

01:29:06.160 Yes.

01:29:06.400 He said, beat, beat their brains in.

01:29:08.100 And then he, he later on used, uh.

01:29:10.320 We're going to Gaza them.

01:29:12.240 Well, he said cream them as well, which is, you know, kind of a unfortunate, uh, turn of

01:29:17.460 phrase for him, but, uh, you know, beat their brains in, uh, and it's just like, who are you

01:29:23.720 talking about?

01:29:24.700 Like, why would you talk about-

01:29:26.000 He's talking about, he's talking about hurting Americans, killing Americans on behalf of

01:29:30.120 another country of foreign power.

01:29:31.700 Okay.

01:29:31.880 So like, I, I don't even know what to say to that.

01:29:36.060 If, if you're not appalled by that, go ahead and vote for him.

01:29:38.840 But where's your conscience?

01:29:40.260 He's celebrating this whole rant.

01:29:41.700 It's, it's extraordinary thing.

01:29:42.860 And I guess you haven't seen it, but then he goes on to-

01:29:44.820 I have not seen it.

01:29:45.460 Look, both President Trump, we, we, we're all out of bombs.

01:29:49.280 You know, we didn't even run out of bombs in World War II.

01:29:51.860 It's like, um, China, if you're listening, you're sitting, United States Senator just

01:29:56.520 told you that we were all out of bombs.

01:29:58.260 And like, we know that we can't restock all those, those, um, you know, shoulder fire

01:30:03.300 missiles that they take seven to 10 years to build, that we have no industrial base, but

01:30:07.960 he's literally bragging about the fact that all of our munitions have been passed to defend

01:30:12.620 this Eastern border of Ukraine for what?

01:30:14.760 But yet none of this benefited America.

01:30:16.980 None of this had anything to do with America.

01:30:19.160 It's absurd.

01:30:19.760 We were invaded while he was in the Senate.

01:30:22.060 He said nothing.

01:30:22.840 Well, it's benefited some people in America.

01:30:24.500 If you happen to own the defense industrial stocks and, and, you know-

01:30:28.880 Has he gotten rich in the Senate?

01:30:30.200 I haven't even checked.

01:30:31.040 Well, I, who, who knows?

01:30:32.920 That's, it's a good question to ask though.

01:30:35.120 It doesn't matter.

01:30:35.920 He's 70 with no kids.

01:30:37.140 So like, why does he care?

01:30:38.880 Well, you know, I think that the point is that he has been supported.

01:30:42.420 The Senate seat is kind of wholly owned by a foreign interest or kind of defense industrial

01:30:48.700 components.

01:30:50.380 And, and it's so far removed.

01:30:52.320 The people of South Carolina are, are a mere kind of imposition really, the voters.

01:30:59.500 And it's like, we will deal with you once every six years.

01:31:02.120 We will gaslight you.

01:31:03.560 I'll get a couple of photos of me behind president Trump and, you know, just kind of move along.

01:31:08.960 But, you know, meanwhile, South Carolina's 50 out of 50 in roads.

01:31:14.380 Okay.

01:31:14.620 People die on our secondary roads.

01:31:16.920 The, the actual infrastructure is 30 years behind, which roughly maps the time this guy's

01:31:21.760 been in Washington.

01:31:22.600 He's never brought the bacon home.

01:31:24.720 He's when, if, unless you think of home as Ukraine or some foreign interest, but certainly,

01:31:29.740 you know, South Carolina, you go off the main highways, which by the way,

01:31:33.300 if anyone's driven through on the 95 or on the 20 or the 26, they're two line, two lane

01:31:39.600 death traps.

01:31:40.460 They've never been expanded.

01:31:42.960 Now they're being, beginning to be expanded, but you know, people's roofs are falling in

01:31:48.320 rural America's decaying.

01:31:50.660 The industry moved out and this is what we get.

01:31:53.820 We get a Senator who's obsessed with foreign war.

01:31:57.440 You know, I think it's half of 1% of, of the South Carolina population is Jewish.

01:32:04.240 So yes, I mean, like, look, I, I reaffirmed the right for, for Israel to exist and, you

01:32:11.080 know, and certainly always defending the Jewish people in the wake of the Holocaust, particularly,

01:32:16.100 but I don't derive my foreign policy views based on my, you know, my theological understanding

01:32:22.700 of the Bible.

01:32:23.880 I'm America first guy.

01:32:25.560 I'm, this is the country my, my family fought for, worked for, died for, and everyone else

01:32:31.160 did.

01:32:31.440 So this frame that a U.S. Senator would spend three days in Washington and then run off to

01:32:37.480 Kiev or Kiev, as we used to call it, and hold hands with a foreign dictator who suspended

01:32:42.800 elections, who's imprisoned the opposition, who shut down the press.

01:32:46.020 What about a weirdly hot foreign dictator in a tight fitting military uniform or a track suit?

01:32:50.840 I mean, that, I'm just saying they're mitigating circumstances here.

01:32:54.300 Kind of a young Fidel or like Che in the Sierra Madre, 1958, you know, cigar clenched resolutely

01:33:00.940 in his teeth.

01:33:01.680 Like there is a kind of appeal there.

01:33:03.100 Well, maybe that's what the Venezuela thing can be explained that way.

01:33:06.360 There's a little bit of the Latin, Ruby Rosa, right?

01:33:09.000 I actually said to myself, don't be a jerk during this interview, but of course I can't,

01:33:12.860 I have no self-control.

01:33:13.480 Well, look, I mean, his, his sexuality is his own thing, but if it's, if it's based on

01:33:20.420 kind of his psychosexual urge for violence, that's a problem.

01:33:24.740 Let's just be, let's stop lying.

01:33:26.240 Okay.

01:33:26.560 I'm not being mean.

01:33:27.260 This is a very recognizable phenomenon that has reoccurred throughout history and it is

01:33:35.460 tied up in your personal life.

01:33:37.380 And I'm not, not, I'm not talking about his sexuality.

01:33:39.340 It's been the way that you live reflects your values and it affects your opinions on everything.

01:33:45.700 And so if you have children and grandchildren, you have by definition, a vested interest in

01:33:50.920 stability and peace.

01:33:53.000 You're instinctively opposed to violence.

01:33:55.020 Once you lie awake as the head of household thinking, if there's a home invasion, what

01:33:57.860 do I do?

01:33:58.480 Like, that's how your brain works.

01:33:59.920 Absolutely.

01:34:00.720 You know, if you don't have that, and if you're about grinder or whatever the, what was going

01:34:05.100 on here, then you've got a completely different set of values.

01:34:09.040 Like, it's just a fact.

01:34:10.160 Like, I'm sorry, that's true.

01:34:11.720 Well, look, I mean, Steve Whitcoff, who is, who has helped make the piece there, that

01:34:17.120 just unstable piece, but made a piece.

01:34:19.400 He tells in the 60 Minutes piece how he first found common ground with his adversary on

01:34:25.780 the other side, which is saying, we belong to an unfortunate club where both of our sons

01:34:29.480 have pre-deceased us.

01:34:31.000 And so it's like, he found common ground as a dad.

01:34:34.260 But look, I-

01:34:35.240 I just say of Steve Whitcoff, who I know well, Steve, if you watch Steve Whitcoff's relationship

01:34:40.380 with his two surviving sons, you see, like, where Steve Whitcoff's instincts come from.

01:34:46.560 He's very close to his boys.

01:34:49.240 And one of whom I know well is like a, like a genuinely great guy.

01:34:52.300 He reveres his dad.

01:34:54.060 The dad loves the son.

01:34:55.920 Like, that's, that's the goal.

01:34:57.960 And Whitcoff looks at the world that way.

01:35:00.000 It's like, I have grandchildren.

01:35:01.960 Like, I want, I want to continue the good things in this world.

01:35:05.800 I don't want to blow it up tomorrow.

01:35:07.700 No, 100%.

01:35:08.640 Right?

01:35:08.720 It matters.

01:35:09.220 That's what we need in the States, man.

01:35:10.800 We need, we need somebody.

01:35:12.480 Look, I live these values.

01:35:13.960 I have a family.

01:35:15.240 I have a stake in the future.

01:35:17.180 I've lived a life.

01:35:18.300 I've lived with a woman.

01:35:19.580 You know, I've, we've, we've suffered.

01:35:21.700 We've, we've survived.

01:35:23.420 We've thrived.

01:35:24.320 And that life experience, you know, watching my mom die in front of me, going in with the

01:35:29.040 moon suit with my dad, you know, seeing kind of the setbacks my grandparents felt only

01:35:33.580 to see, you know, them ultimately succeed.

01:35:36.560 These are things I, every day I walk in the office on the shoulders of them, but I carry

01:35:41.100 that weight, the shared sacrifice.

01:35:43.480 And when you go abroad and you're with a culture that has, you know, maybe nothing to do with

01:35:49.400 us.

01:35:49.600 I'm not looking to convert them.

01:35:51.140 I'm looking to find a little bit of humanity, common ground.

01:35:54.400 Yes.

01:35:54.800 And that's where you say, look, parents love their children.

01:35:58.200 Okay.

01:35:58.520 In all cultures.

01:35:59.860 And, and that's an immediate thing where you can have some respect for life.

01:36:03.940 You know, look, he is the worst.

01:36:06.680 Lindsey Graham is the worst emissary or a real avatar for any of these values.

01:36:12.560 Whether it be kind of peace and, and, uh, the United States values or what he's doing

01:36:18.180 now with engendering, I think, anti-Semitism.

01:36:21.060 He's actually making this stuff worse.

01:36:22.780 Well, that's for sure.

01:36:23.620 All these advocates, advocates for Israel.

01:36:27.260 I mean, from BB to Ted Cruz to Lindsey, they're all making people hate Israel.

01:36:32.880 I mean, that is a fact.

01:36:34.020 As someone who's never hated it, speaking for myself, never hated Israel.

01:36:36.840 I vacationed there.

01:36:37.720 But these people are changing in their advocacy, Rabbi Buttplug, all of them, they're all making

01:36:45.700 people dislike Israel big time.

01:36:47.860 Well, I mean, his speech, his speech was shameful and it, you know, it should be repudiated to

01:36:53.180 call for violence the way he did against the right, a sitting United States Senator in the

01:36:58.780 wake of Charlie Kirk.

01:37:00.320 It's, you know, it, it needs, the president should distance himself from those remarks.

01:37:04.320 But, you know, here again, like he intrudes into like women's health.

01:37:09.620 Like if there was ever one cohort in the United States who should sit this one out, it's a

01:37:15.220 70 year old warmonger who's never shared a life as we can tell with a woman.

01:37:19.620 You know, it's like the, he does more damage than good.

01:37:23.240 And, uh, with respect to those issues for life, it's like being pro-life means also not

01:37:29.420 killing people.

01:37:30.420 I mean, to borrow a little bit from the Pope, but like having a sensitivity towards that

01:37:35.660 as well.

01:37:36.320 And, you know.

01:37:37.120 Well, why?

01:37:37.600 Because we think human beings are the most valuable thing God created.

01:37:40.980 That's what we believe.

01:37:41.800 And if you don't believe that you shouldn't be in charge of human beings, right?

01:37:44.680 Well, we're committed.

01:37:45.800 We are created in God's image.

01:37:47.940 So every time I look, one of the great things my parents did was, was named me after St.

01:37:53.320 Paul.

01:37:53.560 I'm always trying to, to walk in his, in his way, the instructions, but, you know, that

01:38:00.020 we learned, you know, to have a mutual respect for our common man, to look at the beauty.

01:38:05.460 If you look at a person, you say, look, you were creating, there's something amazing about

01:38:09.320 you.

01:38:09.620 It may not be evident on the surface, but I know that there's something and you, you

01:38:14.180 may have had a troubled life, but you can always improve.

01:38:17.620 And, and to be able to, to have that kind of fundamental respect, you know, I come from

01:38:22.920 a long line of, of janitors and chambermaids and people did the dirty jobs.

01:38:28.360 And I never felt, I never feel like I'm superior to them.

01:38:32.400 I think that that's really the mark of liberalism, progressive government is that there's a small

01:38:37.640 group of us who know better than the rest of the world.

01:38:41.080 How does it their lives?

01:38:41.680 That's some dumb credential from a credential factory.

01:38:43.520 Exactly.

01:38:43.980 I couldn't, couldn't agree more.

01:38:45.520 There's a, a real lack of nobility among people like that with Lindsey Graham, a true

01:38:51.580 lack of nobility and, um, and that's fine.

01:38:54.560 And he's going to have to answer for that, but to have him in a position of leadership,

01:38:57.320 particularly in a party that, you know, I voted for, don't have much option actually.

01:39:02.880 This, this is not acceptable.

01:39:04.860 Look, we look, this is a post Trump election.

01:39:07.460 This Senate term is six years.

01:39:09.940 President Trump, you know, the 2028 trolling stuff is funny, but he's, he's out of

01:39:15.480 office and in two years after this election, he'll be a lame duck president the day after

01:39:20.900 the election, kind of cementing his legacy.

01:39:23.340 And this is, where does this movement go?

01:39:25.780 All of us who fought in the, in the early trenches, look, um, that, that this whole thing

01:39:32.040 could just be sucked right back into the swamp with the shape, shape shifting establishment,

01:39:37.240 really neocon, uh, deep state guy, you know, who's, who's managed to somehow pull in Trump

01:39:44.880 a little bit, or at least the inner circle around Trump.

01:39:48.600 Do you think it's weird?

01:39:49.840 I'm sorry to jump around, but I'm just thinking about, you reminded us all that Lindsey said

01:39:55.460 on, after January 6th, we gave you guns, shoot them all.

01:39:58.800 Of course, none of the protesters had guns, not, not a single gun, no guns, except for

01:40:04.040 the 200 and something undercover FBI agents, all of whom aren't, but no actual protester

01:40:09.560 had a gun.

01:40:11.920 Lindsey Graham is, only speaks in martial language, kill them, crush them, bomb them.

01:40:18.900 You know, he's tough guy, right?

01:40:20.320 He's like some reservist or some fake rank in the military and whatever.

01:40:23.760 But, he's terrified, terrified on January 6th.

01:40:30.040 He's like afraid of unarmed protesters, half of whom are like over 16, have diabetes and

01:40:35.500 bad knees.

01:40:36.320 And he's terrified, he cowered.

01:40:38.020 I mean, I talk to people, his fellow senators who were there, he was scared shitless.

01:40:41.840 What is that?

01:40:43.400 Well, you know, the guy who's always calling for violence against other people is a physical

01:40:47.860 coward?

01:40:49.200 I think he knows that 2020 was infirm.

01:40:52.140 It was a rigged and stolen election and he did nothing really for it.

01:40:55.800 He did a lot of pretense, you know, the famous call.

01:40:59.600 Look, I was there, okay?

01:41:01.380 What Paul Danz has is battle scars from every major MAGA battle.

01:41:06.120 I was there in 16, in Pennsylvania, in Moon Township, when everyone had walked away from

01:41:11.780 the president.

01:41:12.500 They thought he was going to lose.

01:41:14.100 And we pulled out the win there.

01:41:16.700 We brought Pennsylvania over the win column, doubled the vote there and the good people in

01:41:21.460 Allegheny County.

01:41:23.440 And, you know, I was there in 20.

01:41:25.720 I went down to Georgia.

01:41:26.720 At the time, I was chief of staff at Office of Personal Management.

01:41:30.140 We should talk a little bit about how Project 2025 came to be and how I got to serve in the

01:41:35.160 Trump admin.

01:41:35.660 But I had been there, again, in Allegheny County for the day on election day.

01:41:42.580 And, you know, we had been saying, those of us in the admin, I think we got this as long

01:41:46.980 as they don't steal it from us.

01:41:48.820 And thinking, you know, that the RNC and the Trump campaign would have taken corrective,

01:41:53.920 protective measures.

01:41:55.380 Well, you know, I was in the White House that evening and in PPO, it's the Presidential Office

01:42:01.560 of Personnel.

01:42:02.740 And we were getting excited for a period of time there.

01:42:06.300 It seemed like we were going to pull this out.

01:42:08.000 They actually turned the volume off of the TV and put on some music.

01:42:11.240 And then ultimately, everything slowed down.

01:42:14.300 It's clear that something was totally awry.

01:42:17.420 And ultimately, two days later, I would go on paid leave, leave my group.

01:42:23.120 I basically ran this agency called Office of Personal Management and go down and use my

01:42:29.140 work as an attorney to help out.

01:42:31.640 But I got down to Georgia on the Friday morning.

01:42:34.980 Thursday night was where they famously started counting ballots in Fulton County in the middle

01:42:39.240 of the night.

01:42:40.120 Kind of, I decided to take my car from DC and just start driving.

01:42:44.920 And I'd see my wife in South Carolina and the kids and pick up some clothes and just get

01:42:49.720 there.

01:42:50.200 So I got there by nine in the morning.

01:42:51.540 I kind of kicked myself for not flying because who would have known that they were counting

01:42:55.240 ballots?

01:42:55.740 But the bottom line is we were overrun, okay?

01:43:00.640 They had nothing in place.

01:43:02.380 They knew this was coming.

01:43:03.860 And if you dug in a little bit, you could tell that it was almost an inside job.

01:43:10.880 You know, Ray Fisberger, the Secretary of State, there's something odd with that dude.

01:43:16.960 And the guy, Gabe Sterling, there's something really off.

01:43:20.200 But they had to be sure, said, you know, this was the cleanest election they had fought

01:43:24.880 before they had finished counting the ballots.

01:43:27.060 So the Secretary of State of Georgia was adverse to the president.

01:43:32.880 Nonetheless, we got down there.

01:43:34.420 There was no infrastructure in place.

01:43:36.220 The president didn't even have a law firm retained.

01:43:39.060 There was no national law firm.

01:43:41.120 And this was the whole thing that was a debacle.

01:43:44.180 But I seen it with my own eyes.

01:43:45.780 I stood up there.

01:43:47.200 People knew what happened in that Buckhead, it's called.

01:43:50.600 That's where the GOP headquarters were.

01:43:53.840 You know, all eyes in the whole world had turned to Buckhead, this one office building where

01:43:58.760 I was.

01:43:59.880 And we didn't even have a desk.

01:44:02.860 There wasn't even a law firm.

01:44:03.780 I went out and bought myself a computer, sat down there.

01:44:07.760 And it's Saturday of the election.

01:44:11.500 Both Senate seats are now underwater.

01:44:13.920 So the U.S. Senate's in the balance as well.

01:44:16.780 And, you know, finally, we're beginning to get some sort of ground control where people

01:44:21.320 are now, reinforcements are coming up from Florida, the lawyers, we can kind of get some

01:44:25.420 command and control.

01:44:26.180 And I have to go out and get lunch with a guy at pizza.

01:44:30.300 I come back and the office is dark.

01:44:32.300 It's just like everyone left.

01:44:33.760 It's like, wait a second, we're in the middle of a presidential election.

01:44:36.920 The thing's obviously kind of rigged and stolen.

01:44:39.180 You think people are working 24 hours.

01:44:41.000 Like I worked in these big law firms in New York, you know, I worked 18 hour days.

01:44:45.200 Like we were just humming the whole time.

01:44:46.780 Where was everybody?

01:44:47.220 The office lights are off.

01:44:49.200 They were at the Georgia football game.

01:44:51.640 Go Dawgs.

01:44:53.020 Yeah.

01:44:53.160 So there wasn't like a gut level commitment to the cause, it sounds like.

01:44:57.320 No, people had left and it was like, what is going on here?

01:45:00.980 So I reached out to Johnny Mack at the White House.

01:45:06.000 I said, we need a field general down here.

01:45:08.600 Get me Doug Collins, get him on, you know, and ask the president to put Doug in.

01:45:13.020 And sure enough, they, you know, the next day people had snapped too.

01:45:17.500 They had gotten the word at the White House and everyone who walked out, you know, the idea

01:45:21.340 was we're going to take a breather.

01:45:23.100 I think the word had come down from the RNC headquarters to cut bait on the president

01:45:27.620 in sometime mid-Saturday morning.

01:45:30.600 They had famously, Trump victory had, you know, shifted into Senate victory and they

01:45:36.120 cut Trump off.

01:45:37.200 And so he thinks people are fighting all around the country.

01:45:40.400 No, I remember.

01:45:40.900 While people are walking out on him in real time.

01:45:43.740 And I'm-

01:45:44.080 There's a reason he hired Rudy Giuliani because there was no one else left.

01:45:47.160 Yeah, I mean, Paul Danz is standing in the balance and that's where, you know, I'm like,

01:45:51.860 what is going on here?

01:45:53.740 That Sunday morning, finally people kind of began to come in and it's, I kind of liken

01:45:59.760 it to almost like when Christ was crucified and who were the people who came first were

01:46:06.140 without fear were the women.

01:46:08.040 And that's where I met MTG for the first time.

01:46:10.980 I met Marjorie Taylor Greene on a Sunday morning in Buckhead.

01:46:14.060 And she could have been up in Washington.

01:46:16.160 She had just won.

01:46:16.980 She could be measuring her drapes and everything.

01:46:19.120 That woman wanted to get to the bottom of what just happened on Tuesday.

01:46:22.200 That's what she's like.

01:46:22.740 So it was her, it was Cleta, it was Jenny Beth Martin.

01:46:25.400 These were the people standing up and we had no infrastructure in place.

01:46:29.620 It was basically, they had cut bait on the president.

01:46:32.960 So I've been there when everybody gave up on him.

01:46:35.740 What was Lindsey doing at this point?

01:46:37.740 You know, he was making feckless phone calls or something.

01:46:41.080 And he ultimately had this famous phone call with Rafisberger, which if you had actually

01:46:46.560 been a lawyer, you'd be like, that's the last person you should be getting on the phone

01:46:50.440 call, telling the president to get on the phone with, because that guy's adverse to us.

01:46:55.680 Yes, they're going to tape you.

01:46:57.340 You know, they're going to try to set you up.

01:46:58.940 Don't you understand what went down here?

01:47:01.120 So it was almost extraordinary that he could kind of pantomime that he was doing something

01:47:07.460 on election integrity.

01:47:09.100 But he was undermining Trump.

01:47:11.260 Yes, ultimately he was leading.

01:47:13.320 I think that this man's MO is when he couldn't frontally attack Trump, he said, I'm going to

01:47:20.080 infiltrate Trump and then I'm going to walk him in down the path of danger.

01:47:24.820 And like, hey, Mr. President, why didn't you call up the secretary of the state and see

01:47:29.340 if he can find some votes?

01:47:30.420 That's a great idea, sir.

01:47:31.680 Why didn't you do that?

01:47:33.020 And it's like, it's like a setup artist almost.

01:47:35.940 Um, but, you know, for anybody with their head screwed on, it was, it was asking for

01:47:40.640 trouble.

01:47:41.560 And of course, you know, then J6 precipitated after that.

01:47:45.880 And so by the end of, uh, of the term there, everybody walked away from the man.

01:47:51.140 And, um, you know, I was there January 20th at Joint Base Andrews to see President Trump

01:47:57.940 off.

01:47:58.560 So I have, I have got, so I just want to replay what he said or just say it out loud.

01:48:03.760 After January 6th, like, Lindsay just absolutely abandoned Trump, like immediately.

01:48:14.060 Yeah, he blamed it.

01:48:16.300 He said it'll be a major part of the presidency.

01:48:18.240 It was Trump's fault what happened on January 6th.

01:48:20.260 And of course, now we know with 230 FBI agents in the crowd, maybe it's not that simple, but

01:48:25.720 we don't know that because Lindsay pointed that out.

01:48:28.040 I mean, Lindsay could have at any point tried to get to the bottom of how many federal agents

01:48:31.400 were in the crowd on January 6th.

01:48:32.880 Everyone knew that was happening.

01:48:34.120 I said it, probably got fired for it, among other things, but it was just obvious from

01:48:38.800 the very beginning that this was a setup.

01:48:40.520 No, he gave his famous, I'm done speech.

01:48:43.340 And, you know, the first part of that speech is interesting because he knocks South Carolina.

01:48:47.340 He likes to first start out by saying, my state's often the cause of the problem.

01:48:52.040 So first he throws South Carolina under the bus, and then he basically says he's done with

01:48:56.860 Trump.

01:48:57.760 And, you know, the meanwhile, those of us are like in the engine room.

01:49:01.280 Like my grandfather trying to keep this ship going, MAGA, keep the U.S. government running.

01:49:06.820 You know, we're in full peak COVID.

01:49:09.140 And, you know, like I say, to have this guy now got full six years in the Senate, got everyone

01:49:17.360 to say, vote for him.

01:49:18.700 I mean, I had my neighbors coming up to me and saying, Paul, should we vote for Lindsey

01:49:22.380 Graham?

01:49:22.800 Can you really do that?

01:49:23.860 I mean, that's a heinous decision.

01:49:26.020 When you go into the ballot box in 2020, and you look at the Republican line, and it's

01:49:31.240 Lindsey Graham, and you're a Republican, and that's why I'm never going to let that happen

01:49:34.860 to me again.

01:49:35.520 No, no.

01:49:35.920 Please, please.

01:49:36.660 That's why I'm standing up.

01:49:37.740 But like...

01:49:38.720 Because it's just all fake.

01:49:40.160 Okay, so this is my last series of questions, which is, like, I asked around before this

01:49:45.560 interview, because I'm not a political expert despite being around it my whole life.

01:49:49.120 I don't really understand it that well.

01:49:51.600 I don't understand how Lindsey Graham could have a shot at re-election.

01:49:54.580 I called around, oh, no, Lindsey's in good shape.

01:49:57.080 I think that's to measure how much money he has.

01:49:58.800 People assume the more money you have, the more likely you are to win.

01:50:01.960 That's not true, as Jeb Bush.

01:50:04.700 But he does have institutional support.

01:50:08.900 Like, there are office holders in South Carolina who are endorsing him, right?

01:50:13.340 Well, not that many.

01:50:14.660 Look, we are going to do this.

01:50:16.640 I want to make clear to people, we announced in August 1 or July 30th, and our numbers have

01:50:24.000 already doubled.

01:50:25.240 Ultimately, yes, we need to get the financial backing to get people, your listeners, to

01:50:29.900 get behind this.

01:50:31.080 You have a year, so we're taping this the first Tuesday in November.

01:50:34.340 So you've got...

01:50:34.940 June 9th, 2026 is Liberation Day for South Carolina.

01:50:38.360 June 9th is the primary.

01:50:40.680 Primary.

01:50:41.240 And we are moving up on this guy.

01:50:43.600 If the election were held tomorrow, we'd be in a runoff.

01:50:46.840 Like, South Carolina, if you get less than 50%, it's an automatic runoff state.

01:50:51.220 There's a reason why President Trump is doing his first fundraiser for Lindsey Graham, not

01:50:55.540 withstanding the fact that this man has 15 million in the bank.

01:50:59.000 Where in South Carolina is that fundraiser?

01:51:01.200 Correct.

01:51:02.060 It's in Florida, interestingly, yes.

01:51:05.220 They're going to do it on a golf course in Florida, away from the actual South Carolinians.

01:51:10.740 Look, we need support, I'll be frank.

01:51:15.020 But I think people bemoan the money that Lindsey has.

01:51:18.500 And I know that I've had confidential discussions with people saying that various interest groups

01:51:26.520 are ready to come in for this guy to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.

01:51:30.440 Whatever it takes.

01:51:31.160 Whatever it takes.

01:51:31.900 But, you know, I think I was thinking about the parable of the three servants, really.

01:51:39.980 And that you need, as Christians, we need to invest our money, you know, in people who

01:51:45.200 are going to fight for our values.

01:51:46.580 And that's why I'd ask folks out here listening, like, invest in our campaign, get behind us.

01:51:53.240 We are, our message is really clicking with both the youth, the under 30 people who, they

01:51:58.800 need to own a part of America.

01:52:00.540 Not only do we need to end these endless wars, which I'll do right away, but make this

01:52:05.160 life, this American dream affordable again for this generation.

01:52:09.760 To come, let them dream of having a family and actually be able to do it.

01:52:13.840 And then, like I say, get to the bottom of J6, get to the bottom of COVID, get to the

01:52:18.660 bottom of the Russia hoax, get to the bottom of 2020.

01:52:21.660 Let's actually get accountability in government from a guy who, who stood up Project 2025.

01:52:27.100 And, and I've changed the world through that, you know, that, that as the architect of Project

01:52:32.480 2025.

01:52:33.640 Yes.

01:52:33.940 And just stop the humiliation.

01:52:36.020 You know, South Carolina is one of the best states that we have.

01:52:39.040 People move there.

01:52:40.200 I have family who moved there.

01:52:41.340 People just like South Carolina.

01:52:42.220 It's great.

01:52:42.820 Pretty well run.

01:52:43.660 Pretty reasonable.

01:52:45.240 Beautiful.

01:52:45.840 Of course.

01:52:47.280 The Republican primary is the election.

01:52:49.620 Republicans going to have that sentencing.

01:52:51.240 We know that.

01:52:52.500 So it should be a great Republican.

01:52:53.640 It shouldn't be the worst Republican, probably second worst after Ted Cruz, because at least

01:52:57.280 Lindsay is charming.

01:52:58.940 But it shouldn't have, the best state shouldn't have the worst senator.

01:53:03.480 Like this is a humiliation exercise meant to demoralize the rest of us.

01:53:06.820 I really think that.

01:53:07.640 Well, if you want to honor Charlie Kirk's memory, this is the best way to do it.

01:53:11.100 Charlie was in South Carolina three weeks before he was killed saying exactly that.

01:53:16.060 Yeah.

01:53:16.460 He said, South Carolina, you need a new senator.

01:53:20.140 And he said that, you know, turning point action was going to be on the tip of the spear

01:53:24.340 of turning out rhino senators and Lindsey Graham.

01:53:27.280 Well, Charlie, and I talked about this topic quite a bit, quite a bit until right before

01:53:31.180 he died.

01:53:31.620 Yes.

01:53:32.360 And, and so I hope that people will get behind your campaign, you know, because I think it's

01:53:38.500 important.

01:53:38.960 You're obviously much more qualified and much closer to the spirit of most Americans, but

01:53:45.600 it's also just so important to stop this just to say, no, like this is, if you don't

01:53:50.760 stop people like Lindsey Graham and he can go be on the board of Raytheon and go to bathhouses

01:53:56.200 across Eastern Europe, whatever his future might hold, probably a lot more fun than serving

01:53:59.920 in the Senate and get sober.

01:54:03.220 Oh my gosh.

01:54:04.220 But if you don't stop this, if you just like allow the guy to get reelected to the Senate

01:54:09.420 at 71 years old with an anti-American platform, that's like a sign to everybody else that like,

01:54:18.240 oh yeah, you can just piss on America.

01:54:20.200 Like there's nothing that people can do about it.

01:54:22.620 Yeah.

01:54:23.100 There's no change as possible.

01:54:24.800 This is the barometer for whether America lives or dies.

01:54:27.740 I totally agree with that.

01:54:28.640 This is, this is really, look, I built Project 2025.

01:54:32.060 If you like what President Trump's done in these first nine months, it's because I organized

01:54:37.020 a couple thousand volunteers under the auspices of the Heritage Foundation, brought together

01:54:42.520 110 member coalition of the right and basically made these building blocks, these prefabricated

01:54:49.680 policy and personnel to go in and hit the ground running.

01:54:53.060 And that's why he came out gangbusters.

01:54:54.720 And it allowed him to get this head of steam going and get world peace.

01:54:58.960 Like this is why he's a world beater because we actually prepared.

01:55:02.600 I was, I'm the one who was able to use this platform and take my MIT training this, you

01:55:08.120 know, I was trained as a city planner and in the vision of Daniel Burnham, who's the famous

01:55:13.660 architect who did, did a union station.

01:55:17.320 It was this notion of we need to make no little plans.

01:55:20.960 We, we are saving this Republic.

01:55:23.620 We, the lack, the magic to stir men's hearts.

01:55:27.240 We have to give them a bold vision.

01:55:29.200 And that's what Project 2025 was.

01:55:31.020 It allowed the president.

01:55:32.420 And now we know so much of what he's doing is coming right out of that book.

01:55:36.740 For sure.

01:55:37.240 Though no one wants to admit it.

01:55:39.140 Um, yeah.

01:55:40.860 So how can, final question, how can people who support the program you just described and

01:55:47.700 think that it's so essential to stop this insanity before we have like World War VI, um, how can

01:55:56.020 they support your campaign?

01:55:57.580 Look, get, get to pauldans.com.

01:55:59.980 Um, you know, we obviously love you to invest in the campaign, support us if it's $20 a month,

01:56:05.720 if it's a hundred or, you know, everyone get, get behind this.

01:56:09.160 Like this is the time you need to invest in your country.

01:56:12.140 Um, Lindsay is not a South Carolina problem.

01:56:14.480 He's an American problem.

01:56:15.800 Definitely.

01:56:16.340 And all of us have to drive him out.

01:56:17.980 There's good patriots all over the country.

01:56:19.900 They know what Paul Dan's did to build Project 2025.

01:56:22.820 And they know that that is why so much of what Trump's doing right now is coming directly

01:56:27.820 from our work to, you know, get behind us on the media.

01:56:31.400 If you can't afford it, like push out our message, you know, share it on Facebook, share

01:56:36.760 it on X and, and prayers.

01:56:39.420 Finally, three prayers.

01:56:40.480 We'll take prayers.

01:56:41.560 Um, but this is, this is all within our reach.

01:56:44.520 This is going to happen.

01:56:45.900 I believe you.

01:56:46.280 And we have a welling up of support, particularly the youth.

01:56:50.440 They really need a future.

01:56:51.840 So many people can't even envision getting out of their garden or apartment or being

01:56:56.680 able to own anything, let alone get married and have a family.

01:56:59.700 That's, that's elemental American dream.

01:57:02.320 And that we are sending our kids forward into this is outrageous.

01:57:07.240 I, I have to stand up in this moment in time.

01:57:09.580 Look, I'm leaving five kids on this earth one day and, um, they, they need the future

01:57:15.420 that was, that was their birthright.

01:57:17.340 And that everyone who laid down and gave that ultimate sacrifice, whether they died on the

01:57:22.960 battlefield or they died building something, or they just labored, um, as anonymous woman,

01:57:28.900 they deserve a future in this country.

01:57:31.400 And that's, that's what we have to pass on to the kids.

01:57:34.340 Do you have any billionaire oligarchs backing you?

01:57:36.400 Uh, well, hopefully a few of them are listening to this show, but, uh, look, I, you know,

01:57:41.560 I would say Lindsay has that.

01:57:43.360 That's one thing he's got.

01:57:44.380 Look, uh, what Lindsay did, you made a fortune, I don't know, um, on debt, you know, putting

01:57:52.740 people into slavery or like hooking them on gambling or something.

01:57:55.860 Uh, you're definitely using your billions to support Lindsay Graham.

01:58:00.780 Well, look, this man got us a $38 trillion breaking point.

01:58:06.080 This country is in physical, fiscal dire straits.

01:58:10.560 If we collapse, the whole world goes down with us.

01:58:14.260 This is all these foreign adventures that this man has led us on in the 32 years of his,

01:58:19.920 his endless war cheerleading and the deficit spending.

01:58:23.620 Those are coming home to roost and it's, you know, life is tough out there.

01:58:28.200 Notwithstanding what some people in the white house are saying, it's expensive.

01:58:31.840 Things have not like, I go to the grocery store every day.

01:58:34.820 I, you know, I fill up and, and if, if it's shocking me, what's it doing to the people

01:58:39.920 that pay check to paycheck and we have to get real, like today's election day.

01:58:44.180 Let's see what happens tonight because the kids and the generation, they're moving left

01:58:49.440 because the left is actually talking about real pocketbook issues.

01:58:53.620 You know, the promise here with Trump was to return the government to the people

01:58:58.060 and, and it's time is burning.

01:59:00.940 Like we need not only action at the justice department and getting answers and actually

01:59:06.560 doing things, but we need to like actually stop spending money on these follies abroad

01:59:12.560 and start building America.

01:59:14.180 Let's, let's get the, the country of milk and honey flowing here.

01:59:18.140 You got my vote.

01:59:18.800 Thank you, Tucker.

01:59:19.820 Of course, I don't live there, but, uh, Paul Dance, thank you very much.

01:59:23.580 My pleasure.

01:59:24.460 Thank you, Tucker.

01:59:24.880 I appreciate it.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - November 06, 2025

It’s Time to Decide： America First or Lindsey Graham’s Psychosexual Death Cult？

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