The Tucker Carlson Show - February 12, 2024


JD Vance

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J.D. Vance: Ukraine cannot win its war against Russia and won't be able to expel the Russian military from parts of eastern Ukraine . The U.S. Senate proposed under Mitch McConnell, a plan to send another $60 billion to Ukraine . Vance: It's abetting the killing of an entire generation of Ukrainians .

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00:00:00.000 It became very clear to anyone paying attention several months ago that Ukraine cannot win its
00:00:16.240 war against Russia. The Ukrainian military will not be able, even with Western backing,
00:00:21.740 hundreds of billions of dollars of it, to expel the Russian military from parts of eastern Ukraine.
00:00:27.200 Ukraine doesn't have the industrial capacity, neither does NATO or the United States,
00:00:32.880 and it doesn't have the people. Russia has 100 million more in population than Ukraine does.
00:00:39.880 And that means that further support from the West for the Ukrainian military only means more dead
00:00:46.760 Ukrainians and a further degraded Western economy in the US and in Germany particularly. So it's not 1.00
00:00:53.620 simply a fool's errand. It's self-destruction. It's insane. It's cruel. It's abetting the killing 0.97
00:00:58.720 of an entire generation of Ukrainians. This is very obvious. No honest person at this point 1.00
00:01:02.980 will deny it. And yet somehow the United States Senate, which is always several years behind
00:01:07.000 reality in its perceptions just a few weeks ago, decided to send another $60 billion to the Ukrainian
00:01:13.400 government, which is both corrupt and authoritarian. They've canceled elections. They banned an entire
00:01:18.720 Christian denomination. And then they killed an American journalist for noting any of this.
00:01:25.020 And yet the United States Senate proposed under Mitch McConnell, a plan to send another $60 billion
00:01:31.580 to Ukraine. Well, imagine the surprise of all rational people around the world to wake up this
00:01:35.760 morning and discover this could actually happen. And so with that in mind, we thought it'd be worth
00:01:40.380 talking to one of the very few Republican senators who's bothered to make the counter case.
00:01:45.020 And that would be J.D. Vance of Ohio, who joins us now from the United States.
00:01:49.440 Senator, thanks so much for coming on. If you wouldn't mind telling us where
00:01:52.960 this legislation is right now, what you expect to happen and what you think should happen.
00:01:57.700 Yeah, Tucker. So there are two big things that will happen here. So tonight we will clear a major
00:02:02.080 procedural vote or we won't. So this is really the best opportunity tonight to kill this legislation.
00:02:07.580 Encourage everybody to do everything that they can. Contact everyone they can to ensure that we
00:02:11.720 actually do kill the legislation. It is very close. The Democrats have banded together with
00:02:17.100 17 Republicans. We only need eight of those Republicans to flip their vote to kill this 0.68
00:02:21.960 thing. And I think that we'll get at least one who will in fact flip their vote. So that's where
00:02:26.480 it sits in the Senate. The second thing, and frankly, the best opportunity we have to kill this 0.84
00:02:31.300 is in the House. And that's part of what I'm trying to do is notify people about how bad this
00:02:36.640 legislation is so that after it clears the Senate, if it does, then it goes to the House and the House
00:02:41.640 has a real opportunity to at least make it better, but hopefully kill it. And I want to say just a
00:02:47.500 couple of things here, Tucker, that are extremely important to know about this legislation. Number
00:02:51.080 one is that it sends $61 billion to Ukraine to fund, as you said, a hopeless war in Eastern Europe
00:02:57.660 that will decimate the Ukrainian population even more than it's already been decimated. So it's a 0.76
00:03:02.100 terrible, terrible piece of legislation on the policy. The second thing I want to say, Tucker,
00:03:06.900 though, is that it doesn't just fund Ukraine in 2024. And this is the most important point. It
00:03:12.340 actually funds Ukraine in 25 and 26. Now, what's the problem with that? Say, for example, that we
00:03:19.120 have a new president in 2025, that president would be handcuffed by the promises that we are making in
00:03:25.480 law to Ukraine today. If you go back to 2019, Tucker, to try to give you a sense of why this matters,
00:03:31.540 in 2019, the U.S. House impeached then-President Donald Trump on the theory that they had appropriated
00:03:39.660 money to Ukraine and Donald Trump refused to send it to Ukraine. So if Trump is elected president
00:03:46.020 again and become president on January of 2025, he will conduct diplomacy. And if that diplomacy does
00:03:53.220 not include sending additional billions to Ukraine, there is a theoretical argument, a predicate,
00:03:59.480 if you will, for impeaching Donald Trump because they have tried to tie his hands. And the final
00:04:05.380 point I'll make on this, Tucker, is that the Washington Post has already said, based on leaks
00:04:11.740 from inside the intel community, the purpose of this legislation is to tie a future President Trump's
00:04:17.480 hands. We're not just sending billions to Ukraine in 2024. We're trying to make it impossible for the 0.99
00:04:23.660 next president to conduct diplomacy on his terms. It's anti-democratic, and it will lead to endless
00:04:29.480 war all over the world.
00:04:31.560 So the political calculation behind this seems incredibly dark. So does the humanitarian effect.
00:04:37.760 I noticed that no one on Capitol Hill seems interested in finding out how many have died in
00:04:41.300 this war. Reliable estimates in the area, these are not partisan, are that about 400,000 Ukrainians have
00:04:48.540 died. That's about as many Americans as died in the entire Second World War over the entire duration.
00:04:52.460 And it's, of course, a much smaller country. So how do senators, Republican senators,
00:04:58.120 get away with saying, we're doing this on behalf of the Ukrainian people, on behalf of democracy,
00:05:03.380 when it's destroying an entire generation and it's not a democracy? Like, what's the thinking here?
00:05:07.900 Well, Tucker, they bought into the propaganda that what is in the best interest of Ukraine
00:05:12.100 is to prolong this war. And so Zelensky comes to Washington. You know, he's tougher than a lot of
00:05:17.480 them are. And I think they get, you know, a little bit of excitement from that. And Zelensky tells them
00:05:22.800 a story that his war is in the best interest of the whole of Ukraine. Now, never mind that there
00:05:28.660 are people within Ukraine protesting the draft. Never mind that the average age of a soldier there
00:05:33.260 is pushing 45 years old. And never mind that the 650,000 wealthiest Ukrainians left the country at
00:05:39.960 the beginning of the war. They didn't stay and fight. So the idea that this is unanimously supported
00:05:45.060 by the Ukrainian population is, of course, preposterous and absurd. No one believes it. 1.00
00:05:50.240 But here's the really crazy, and I think ultimately the very cynical thing that's going on, Tucker,
00:05:55.380 is that everyone knows that this war will lead to the destruction of Ukraine. I've had conversations
00:06:01.600 with Democratic colleagues where they get this sort of dark look in their eyes and they say,
00:06:06.220 effectively, that they want to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian drop of blood. I think if you
00:06:12.340 really ask these guys, they recognize that this is not in the best interest of Ukraine.
00:06:18.180 This is fundamentally in the interest of military contractors and people who think
00:06:22.040 that America's most pressing challenge is to defeat the Russians. Of course, 0.99
00:06:26.040 that's not a preoccupation that I share. I don't think Russia should have invaded, 0.91
00:06:30.020 Tucker, but I also think that we've got to be much more focused on more pressing problems,
00:06:33.520 like the demographic collapse of the United States, like the open borders, and like what's going on
00:06:38.820 East Asia. So it's a massive campaign, Tucker, to distract people from the real problems in the 1.00
00:06:44.740 world and the real problems that exist in this country. And underlying it all, as you just said,
00:06:48.980 is an impulse that's indefensible and I think deeply immoral. So I'm so grateful for you having
00:06:54.980 the courage to talk about this in public, and I hope common sense in your position prevails.
00:06:59.660 Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio, thank you.
00:07:08.820 Thank you.