The Tucker Carlson Show - September 22, 2024


JD Vanceļ¼š The New Opposition Party, Saving Rural America, & Why Trump Seeks Advice From His Gardener


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 7 minutes

Words per Minute

176.74013

Word Count

11,880

Sentence Count

723

Misogynist Sentences

14

Hate Speech Sentences

18


Summary

Sen. J.D. Vance (D-D.C.) stops by the Aspen Institute to talk about what it's like being on the campaign trail and what it s like running for re-election in 2020. He also talks about why he s drinking Mountain Dew, and why he thinks the country s at war with itself. And he tells a story about how he almost got run over by a car in a parking lot. And he talks about his new book, which you should probably listen to if you ve been on the road since the Democratic National Convention, which is a good thing because it s a good book. And, of course, there s a song about the crock pot you forgot to turn off, and it s about to blow up in the middle of a 1970s pop song. You know, like a classic Leonard Skinner song. You know the kind of song you love to hate on the middle-era Leonard Skinner s song? Well, it might be kind of like that, but I m not sure if it s going to be as bad as Leonard Skinner's song, but it s kind of good as you think it s gonna be, anyway. Thanks to our sponsor, Perrier! for sponsoring this episode of the podcast, and thanks also to our patron and supporter, Sarah Abdurrahman ( ) for being a rockin' out in Aspen with us. . If you like the show, please leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts, and tell us what you think of the episode on Apple Music by clicking the link below. We lllllllll. We re listening to it on your favorite streaming platform, and sharing it on Anchor.fm/tweet us your thoughts, and we ll be looking out for you in the next episode of this podcast. Thank you! . . . Thanks also to my good friend John Rocha ( ) and , and , too, & , on Insta: Thanks for listening to the podcast! and Good Morning America . Thank you for listening, John R. Vance Thank You, Jon T.V. and Jon Taffer ( ) and Jon Mccartan ( ) Thank you, Jon M. ( ) Thanks, Jon, too, for being here, Jonny ( ) & Jonny, too! Jonny


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:00:10.000 Thank you. I'm very psyched to be here. I was just, I was coming in backstage. This is our 11th city we've been in this month. And you have a kind of formula for how things work. And I'm standing backstage and I see this ice bucket full of green bottles.
00:00:30.000 And I reached my hand, I don't know what it was. It's Mountain Dew. And I said, I said to the person I was walking with, like, why do we have Mountain Dew? J.D. Vance drinks Mountain Dew. Actually drinks Mountain Dew.
00:00:48.940 And I know J.D. Vance very well. And I know that he's, like, the most authentic person in politics. But you often hear people say, and you can feel it on him, he's not, he went to Yale Law School. You know, he's not really from Appalachia.
00:01:05.000 I found the Mountain Dew. That's for real. You're not, you're not drinking this. They don't have this at the Aspen Institute. Trust me. I was so impressed.
00:01:18.060 And I'm very sympathetic to, I love, actually, his politics, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to try that. Sorry. I'm going to have my little Perrier. I'm not a man of the people. Anyway, thank you so much for coming. I'm sorry it took so long to get in.
00:01:34.680 This is what happens when your security is run by your opponent, I think. It's kind of hard to have an event. It's sort of a, it's a funny system that we have. No other country does that, I don't think. We'll just, we'll take care of security. Don't worry.
00:01:55.740 And just to make it super efficient, we're going to let the TSA handle it. Because when you want things to work smoothly, like when you're late for your flight on Memorial Day weekend. Anyway, so I'm sorry about that. We have no control over it. I'm not alleging anything other than what's totally obvious.
00:02:17.280 Oh, that's just amused to me. And I heard the media are here. I don't know. I know. Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. And I, I heard even the New York Times, Politico. They're all here. No, I don't know. I just want them to stand up and announce who they're voting for, if they would. I don't know. I don't have my glasses on, so I don't know where they are.
00:02:42.400 I can't hear what you're saying, but I know I agree with you. If, if you are trying to express loathing, I'm on your side. And by the way, I would know, having spent over 30 years in their lair, and no amount of sauna cold plunge, hot bath combinations can scrape off the moral stain of us all the time that I spent there.
00:03:08.880 But anyway, thank you so much. So I'm going to, because we're running a little late, I want to get to the interview with Senator Vance pretty quickly.
00:03:18.820 But I just wanted to say, and it's much more interesting than anything I'm going to say anyway, but I just want to say something that he knows really well, because he's been on the road since the convention.
00:03:27.520 But I'm just remembering, since it's been a long time since I've been on the road, which is that if you experience your country, the one that you were born in, and that you love, and that your ancestors built, and you will die in, America, if you experience it through your phone, which I hate to admit is mostly the way I do experience it,
00:03:45.980 you really get a distorted picture of it. And it feels like a country at war with itself. And in fact, we're told that very often, this country is on the brink of civil war, and everybody hates everybody else, on the basis of some immutable characteristic, on the basis of race, primarily, but also of sex, and then political affiliation, and basically, America is about to explode.
00:04:08.660 It's the crock pot you forgot to turn off, and it's about to just blow up and wreck your kitchen.
00:04:18.160 I love that. You know, it might be kind of an unsequitur, like scream out a 1970s-era Leonard Skinner song in the middle of a pause, but to me, I'm grooving with you, baby. I know exactly what you mean. That's right. I can't quite articulate what you mean, but I know what you mean.
00:04:36.540 Freybird. Anyway, the point is, you really get the sense that the country is at war with itself, and that people really hate each other.
00:04:45.440 And when you travel it, and we're going coast to coast for a month, we already have been coast to coast, that's not the experience you have at all. Like, at all, actually.
00:04:55.920 I can just tell you, as officially, and the New York Times has chronicled this at great length, as one of the most hated people in the world, I kind of expected to be yelled at, you know what I mean?
00:05:07.020 At like an airport, or a Starbucks, or the lobby of a hotel. Not one time.
00:05:12.520 And I, no, it has nothing to do with me. It's not because I'm so great, or people secretly love me.
00:05:18.020 It's that Americans, secretly, don't really hate each other, which is kind of amazing.
00:05:24.200 When was the, no, it's true. They don't.
00:05:28.240 And yet, they have been convinced that they do, and they have, in fact, been inspired to hate each other, systematically, for decades.
00:05:35.960 And I've watched this. The entire presentation of American history, again, driven by the New York Times, I've got to say, wherever the correspondent is.
00:05:44.060 The entire presentation of American history is designed to make you believe that this is a country based on hate, the hate of Americans for each other.
00:05:53.780 And they have been telling us, well, I'm 55, so they've been telling it for at least the 50 years I can remember going to school.
00:05:59.300 They've been telling us this version.
00:06:00.660 And that that, you know, that is the core problem of the country, is that people really, really hate each other.
00:06:06.200 And looking back on it, I've been thinking of it all week, I don't think I've ever seen that.
00:06:11.340 Ever. Not one time.
00:06:13.380 And what I see, actually, is just the opposite.
00:06:15.740 I see people of all backgrounds and all beliefs totally determined to get along with each other,
00:06:23.700 and doing it despite the encouragement of their leaders.
00:06:27.820 And I just think, I think two things about that.
00:06:33.320 One, I think it's quite revealing of our leaders.
00:06:37.940 Because what leader wants the people he leads to hate each other?
00:06:41.880 That's like really the kind of the darkest thing you could ever want.
00:06:43.900 If you're a parent, you know.
00:06:46.740 It is evil.
00:06:47.940 It is the definition of evil.
00:06:49.640 What parent wants his or her kids to hate each other?
00:06:52.180 You want the opposite.
00:06:52.820 Because when you die, the one thing you leave behind is the love of your children for each other.
00:06:59.520 That's how your memory continues.
00:07:01.600 Because your children love each other.
00:07:04.180 Almost no parent needs to have this explained.
00:07:06.340 Every parent knows it intuitively.
00:07:08.620 And it's not just the family, the most basic and important organization in human civilization.
00:07:13.680 It's every organization, from your office, to a military unit, to your state, to your country.
00:07:20.080 Leaders have, as their first and most sacred duty, the responsibility to unite the people who follow them.
00:07:28.980 To keep them whole.
00:07:30.200 To keep them together.
00:07:31.160 And to do the opposite of that, systematically, over decades, using the media primarily, but also now just from the podium, is evil.
00:07:43.580 It's absolutely evil because it's a perfect inversion of their duty.
00:07:47.300 And they have tried harder than really any task.
00:07:50.660 They certainly haven't put their effort into managing the economy or paving the roads or making it safe to walk to CBS.
00:07:55.700 They've done just the opposite.
00:07:58.240 Because they've been so focused on making us hate each other.
00:08:01.720 So that's the first thing I noticed.
00:08:03.200 So they're not just incompetent.
00:08:05.600 They're really bad on a deep level, actually.
00:08:08.580 No country deserves the leaders that we have.
00:08:10.820 No state deserves the leaders you have, by the way, I can say.
00:08:15.020 I've spent so much time in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and I always think to myself,
00:08:19.480 how is the worst place in the state allowed to run the entire state?
00:08:25.700 I'm not going to name it.
00:08:28.560 But why do they have all the power?
00:08:30.240 Why do the people with the longest track record of failure have total control over the rest of the state,
00:08:35.240 which is beautiful, and filled with great people?
00:08:37.640 How does that work?
00:08:38.400 That doesn't look like democracy to me.
00:08:40.360 But you can extrapolate outward to an entire country and say,
00:08:44.180 how does a country of 350 million great people have such rotten leaders?
00:08:48.120 And that really is a theological question that I can't answer, but it does.
00:08:52.480 And here's the last thing I'll say before introducing Senator J.D. Vance, my friend.
00:08:59.840 They haven't succeeded.
00:09:02.700 And that is something to marvel at and to celebrate and to really deeply think about.
00:09:08.600 Everyone's always shocked, particularly in these last four years since, I'll put it precisely,
00:09:12.680 since Memorial Day 2020 when the revolution began, without telling us,
00:09:17.020 and the country that you grew up in and all of its institutions turned upside down
00:09:22.100 and things you really loved and respected disappeared
00:09:24.480 and people who are close to you vanished from your life.
00:09:27.400 And really, it's been chaotic since then, all by design.
00:09:31.280 And everyone I know, I think most people who are paying attention have had occurred to them
00:09:35.240 at one time or another, like, wow, there's so much evil in the world, I'm shocked.
00:09:37.720 And that's true, clearly.
00:09:40.400 But what too few people, very much including me, pause to consider is how much good there is in the world.
00:09:46.000 Good that makes no sense.
00:09:47.980 The love between people who don't know each other,
00:09:51.460 who have nothing obviously in common except their common American-ness,
00:09:57.220 their citizenship here.
00:09:59.380 People who are not gaining anything by being kind to each other.
00:10:02.800 In fact, who are encouraged not to be kind to each other and are anyway.
00:10:06.520 What's that?
00:10:08.600 That is as every bit as unnatural as the evil that we see.
00:10:13.500 It does not exist in nature.
00:10:14.980 It is outside of nature.
00:10:16.800 It is supernatural.
00:10:18.980 And that is moving among us too.
00:10:21.780 And I think it's worth celebrating that.
00:10:23.500 And if you look around this room,
00:10:25.440 the first thing you realize is,
00:10:28.820 all that stuff they told you about how you were crazy,
00:10:31.660 because you noticed.
00:10:32.540 It turns out you're not crazy.
00:10:36.220 Because there are thousands of people sitting right next to you who had exactly the same instincts.
00:10:42.340 And they came from very different places to arrive at the same destination,
00:10:48.800 which is a commitment to being honest with themselves and those around them.
00:10:53.980 That's all it is.
00:10:54.520 It's honesty.
00:10:55.480 It's not political.
00:10:56.260 It's not ideological.
00:10:57.820 It's being unwilling to lie.
00:11:00.120 And every person in this room, at one level or another,
00:11:02.740 at one time or another,
00:11:03.900 has arrived at the exact same conclusion,
00:11:05.960 which is, I'm just going to say what I think is true.
00:11:07.500 And it turns out it's not just you sitting alone in your rec room throwing beer cans at the TV,
00:11:15.700 feeling like a freak.
00:11:17.600 It's most people in this country.
00:11:21.880 And there's no greater blessing than knowing that.
00:11:25.160 So, on that note of totally non-political hope,
00:11:31.260 I want to introduce Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio,
00:11:35.480 running with Donald Trump.
00:11:37.700 So, you actually do drink Mountain Dew.
00:11:39.320 You're not joking.
00:11:41.180 Diet Mountain Dew.
00:11:42.100 Yeah.
00:11:42.540 Yeah, it's my favorite drink.
00:11:44.560 You need a lot of caffeine on the campaign trail.
00:11:48.280 Though it's interesting,
00:11:49.080 it's become a bit of a thing,
00:11:50.320 because I probably had, like, one Diet Mountain Dew a week
00:11:53.440 before I started running for vice president.
00:11:56.480 And then I, like, started talking about it.
00:11:58.160 And then people always brought me Diet Mountain Dews.
00:11:59.960 So, now I drink, like, three of them a week.
00:12:01.720 It's one of many ways in which my health has gotten much worse.
00:12:04.540 But I will say...
00:12:06.400 So, you're not endorsing it from a medical standpoint.
00:12:08.580 Is that what you're saying?
00:12:09.580 No.
00:12:10.000 No, not at all.
00:12:11.420 But I will say, Tucker,
00:12:12.780 it's awesome to be here.
00:12:14.360 Not just, like, because I've been looking forward to this.
00:12:16.300 But two hours ago,
00:12:18.540 I was thinking to myself,
00:12:20.040 I'm going to have to call Tucker and cancel.
00:12:21.920 Like, I'm not going to be able to come.
00:12:23.740 And the reason is because
00:12:26.280 we have our kids with us,
00:12:28.160 and I took my boys on the campaign trail.
00:12:29.860 We did a bunch of events all over Pennsylvania,
00:12:31.520 which is a great state,
00:12:32.340 and it's great to be here.
00:12:34.340 And we go to Hershey Park, right,
00:12:38.140 which is just across the street.
00:12:39.940 Hershey Park's great.
00:12:41.840 And my son says,
00:12:43.860 my seven-year-old says,
00:12:45.320 if I go on a roller coaster with you,
00:12:47.520 you have to go on this, like, spinny ride with me.
00:12:50.880 And so,
00:12:52.220 legitimately,
00:12:52.900 it's one of these things where
00:12:53.680 it's not just spinning around,
00:12:55.680 but then the thing that you're sitting in
00:12:56.920 is also spinning around.
00:12:57.980 So it's like spinning within spinning.
00:13:00.020 And legitimately,
00:13:01.500 three and a half seconds in,
00:13:02.940 I think to myself,
00:13:03.680 I'm going to throw up all over this ride.
00:13:06.700 And my,
00:13:08.800 you know,
00:13:09.160 it's like now that I'm a vice presidential candidate,
00:13:11.160 I'm much more,
00:13:12.000 you know,
00:13:12.280 people know who I am.
00:13:13.620 And so,
00:13:14.100 there are like 10 separate iPhones
00:13:16.040 that are tuned on me.
00:13:19.020 And all I can think to myself
00:13:21.080 is if I throw up in this thing,
00:13:23.340 it's going to be like one of those old sprinklers,
00:13:26.200 you know,
00:13:26.480 toot, toot, toot, toot, toot.
00:13:27.720 And I,
00:13:31.120 and I,
00:13:31.700 so I,
00:13:32.320 so I like white knuckle,
00:13:34.420 close my eyes.
00:13:35.740 My seven-year-old and my four-year-old are like,
00:13:37.340 Dad, what's going on?
00:13:38.020 I'm like,
00:13:38.280 I'm trying not to throw up boys.
00:13:39.600 Just,
00:13:40.300 you know,
00:13:40.660 leave Daddy be.
00:13:42.300 And then we get off the ride
00:13:43.820 and I am so nauseous.
00:13:46.080 I'm like,
00:13:46.660 I'm going to have to cancel tonight
00:13:48.020 because I'm going to go home to the hotel
00:13:49.460 and be sick.
00:13:50.260 I think you're looking at it wrong.
00:13:51.060 Puking on the Tilt-A-Whirl
00:13:52.100 is the most authentically American thing you could do.
00:13:55.640 No one would ever call you a phony again.
00:13:58.080 I booted on the Tilt-A-Whirl.
00:13:59.560 I mean,
00:13:59.860 honestly,
00:14:01.100 from Mountain Dew.
00:14:04.900 Yeah.
00:14:05.360 So anyway,
00:14:05.760 I'm feeling a lot better now
00:14:07.120 and it's great to be with you.
00:14:09.420 And how's,
00:14:10.400 how's it going?
00:14:11.460 Well,
00:14:11.940 you tell me you're running for national office.
00:14:15.660 I'm just,
00:14:16.380 I don't even know what I do for a living at this point.
00:14:18.820 But,
00:14:19.820 neither do I.
00:14:23.040 So where,
00:14:24.300 I mean,
00:14:25.100 it's always hard asking someone who's running for office,
00:14:26.960 like,
00:14:27.180 do you think you're going to win?
00:14:28.020 Where are we?
00:14:29.260 But I would say,
00:14:30.120 and you explained this so well
00:14:31.160 in a conversation we had recently,
00:14:32.500 the polls really are designed to deceive
00:14:34.280 many of the public polls.
00:14:35.460 Probably not all,
00:14:35.980 but many.
00:14:37.100 And the campaigns,
00:14:38.420 not just yours,
00:14:39.040 but the Democrat Party's campaign,
00:14:41.460 do have access to the most accurate polls.
00:14:44.820 So,
00:14:45.420 you know,
00:14:45.980 being as honest as you can be,
00:14:47.040 where are we?
00:14:48.920 Where we are is we're going to win.
00:14:50.140 And I feel 100% confident about that.
00:15:00.180 Look,
00:15:00.700 I,
00:15:01.220 if,
00:15:01.940 if you,
00:15:02.660 if you go back in time for years,
00:15:04.420 there was a poll in the run up to the 2020 election,
00:15:07.320 maybe the 2016 election,
00:15:08.300 actually,
00:15:08.680 that had Donald Trump losing Wisconsin by 17 points,
00:15:12.760 okay?
00:15:13.240 And of course,
00:15:13.900 in 2016,
00:15:14.640 he won with the state of Wisconsin.
00:15:16.640 And what you realize is,
00:15:18.740 the purpose of these polls is very often subversion.
00:15:22.680 Like,
00:15:22.880 they're trying to depress you,
00:15:24.980 so they put out a poll in Wisconsin that says,
00:15:27.620 Donald Trump is going to lose by 17 points,
00:15:29.700 even though that's an election he eventually went on to win.
00:15:32.520 And I think that there's a lot of that happening right now,
00:15:34.760 though,
00:15:35.020 I,
00:15:35.260 I will say,
00:15:36.820 even with the idea that the polls are fundamentally biased,
00:15:40.420 I mean,
00:15:40.840 you know,
00:15:41.140 we have internal polls that we pay a lot more money for,
00:15:43.560 because it's,
00:15:44.460 I mean,
00:15:44.800 this is a very nerdy point,
00:15:45.960 but you have to reach the right people to actually get an accurate poll.
00:15:50.260 And because most Trump supporters,
00:15:52.740 like,
00:15:52.960 if you called my family members and said,
00:15:55.540 hey,
00:15:55.900 I'm from such and such research,
00:15:57.440 are you going to vote for Donald Trump?
00:15:58.840 They would say F you and hang up the phone,
00:16:00.900 right?
00:16:01.960 So because of that,
00:16:04.900 it's very hard to pull actual Donald Trump supporters,
00:16:08.000 but you can,
00:16:09.720 if you're willing to actually go out and seek those people and do the right things.
00:16:14.240 And look,
00:16:14.740 the internal polls are great.
00:16:16.640 I think that we have to work our rear ends off over the next 45 days.
00:16:21.040 And,
00:16:21.380 you know,
00:16:21.600 there's the,
00:16:23.680 there's something really interesting about this election,
00:16:25.900 Tucker,
00:16:26.140 which is that if you sort of take the people who voted in 2020 versus the people
00:16:31.540 who voted for Biden in 2020,
00:16:33.360 the people who voted for Trump in 2020,
00:16:34.980 we're probably about even there.
00:16:36.480 Like I'd sort of give it a 50,
00:16:37.620 50 chance,
00:16:38.360 but there are a lot of marginal voters,
00:16:40.780 meaning people who don't always show up to the polls.
00:16:42.900 And if they show up,
00:16:44.580 they're like 70,
00:16:45.540 30 for Donald Trump.
00:16:46.840 So it's basically the name of the game is you can't get depressed and give up on your country.
00:16:53.780 You have to get out there and vote because if you do,
00:16:55.820 we're going to win.
00:16:56.400 So get out there and vote and we'll win.
00:16:59.300 And the,
00:17:02.160 so,
00:17:03.680 I mean,
00:17:04.180 look,
00:17:04.640 the,
00:17:04.780 the story,
00:17:05.920 the story of basically the last 30 years in my view is that our leadership has turned the American people into paupers in their own country,
00:17:16.020 right?
00:17:16.560 You're not going to own anything.
00:17:18.360 God,
00:17:18.640 you know,
00:17:18.840 no way you're going to own a house because the leadership has made it way too expensive to buy a house.
00:17:23.560 And plus interest rates are too high.
00:17:25.440 You're not going to have real public safety in your communities because we're going to import 25 million people.
00:17:30.700 We're going to overstress the legal system.
00:17:33.280 We're going to overstress the police system.
00:17:34.980 You're not actually going to have a decent job because we want to ship way too many middle-class jobs off to China,
00:17:41.580 off to Mexico.
00:17:42.840 And so the American people,
00:17:44.440 I think they're fed up with it.
00:17:45.900 They're saying,
00:17:46.460 we don't give a shit what you think about us.
00:17:48.120 We're going to vote for our own interests and we're going to vote to save our country.
00:17:52.000 But,
00:17:52.080 but the thing that is,
00:17:55.980 that is really meaningful and,
00:17:57.760 and,
00:17:57.900 and,
00:17:58.240 you know,
00:17:58.760 if,
00:17:58.980 if I worry about anything,
00:18:00.220 it's that we're going to get lazy and we're going to rest on our laurels and we're not going to get out there and actually pound the pavement and vote.
00:18:07.020 There are way too many people who know that the country is broken,
00:18:10.380 who know that Kamala Harris would make a terrible president,
00:18:13.180 but they have to actually get out there and do the thing that all of us have to do,
00:18:17.280 which is vote.
00:18:18.060 It's very simple.
00:18:18.700 We did an interview a couple of weeks ago with a woman called Casey Means.
00:18:23.420 She's a Stanford educated surgeon and really one of the most remarkable people I have ever met.
00:18:29.680 In the interview,
00:18:30.600 she explained how the food that we eat produced by huge food companies,
00:18:36.020 big food in conjunction with pharma is destroying our health,
00:18:40.640 making this a weak and sick country.
00:18:43.060 The levels of chronic disease are beyond belief.
00:18:47.140 What Casey Means,
00:18:47.980 who we've not stopped thinking about ever since,
00:18:51.240 is the co-founder of a healthcare technology company called Levels.
00:18:55.060 And we are proud to announce today that we are partnering with Levels.
00:18:58.520 And by proud,
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00:20:52.080 So there's been this thing happening for the last, well, last eight years actually,
00:21:12.860 but it seems to have come to a head in the last several months where the realignment is now very obvious between the parties.
00:21:21.060 And you do see a bunch of pretty high-profile Democrats coming to your campaign to endorse your campaign,
00:21:28.800 and you see, honestly, some high-profile Republicans go over to Kamala Harris.
00:21:33.800 So just to put it in one sentence, you got Bobby Kennedy, and they got Dick Cheney and his horrible daughter.
00:21:39.320 A hell of a trade, by the way.
00:21:40.340 I'll take that trade every day and twice on Sunday.
00:21:44.500 And I didn't mean to, I can't remember names, I'm going to go with horrible daughter, but I think it's fair.
00:21:50.740 How would you describe that realignment?
00:21:52.620 Like, what is that?
00:21:54.240 Well, I think there are a couple things going on.
00:21:56.140 So first of all, if you spend any time in professional Washington, which I've spent a couple years there,
00:22:01.620 you realize that one of the things that gives a lot of people meaning is like playing a chess game with the lives of other people's children.
00:22:09.580 Right?
00:22:09.780 And, of course, if you think like that, you're kind of a sicko, and you shouldn't be anywhere near power.
00:22:14.980 But Washington is full of people who really like to go out and play strategic games with the lives of other people's children.
00:22:23.360 And there's probably nobody who better represents that, of course, than Liz and Dick Cheney,
00:22:30.540 who their entire politics for the past 30 years has been using American power to inflame tensions in the world,
00:22:38.660 to draw the United States deeper and deeper into foreign conflicts, which either shouldn't exist at all,
00:22:44.040 or certainly the United States shouldn't have any business in.
00:22:46.620 And I think that the...
00:22:48.860 But, and I think so, that's one thing that's going on, is if you don't think the United States should get involved in every stupid war in the world,
00:23:02.500 then you're a Republican.
00:23:04.140 And if you think the United States should send billions of dollars and tons of innocent Americans to die in some foreign country,
00:23:12.240 then you're going to be a Democrat.
00:23:13.480 And that's kind of crazy, right?
00:23:14.440 Because it was sort of exactly the opposite probably 40, 50 years ago.
00:23:17.980 But then there are two other big issues.
00:23:19.960 The three things that really matter.
00:23:21.380 One is foreign policy.
00:23:24.060 The, you know, our side, I think, is rational and restrained.
00:23:27.540 We don't want to fight every ridiculous war.
00:23:29.300 And we're, like, worried about getting involved in World War III, because we should be, because we have nuclear weapons now.
00:23:34.800 And you have to be cautious about that stuff.
00:23:37.420 The second big issue is, in my view, over immigration, right?
00:23:41.240 If you sort of look at the Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney view,
00:23:44.620 their basic argument is, let's flood the United States with millions upon millions of foreign laborers,
00:23:53.160 because that's good for business.
00:23:55.180 And there are those of us who are saying, well, is it actually good for social cohesion?
00:23:58.640 Isn't it good for workers?
00:23:59.880 Hell no.
00:24:00.480 So we're not going to accept that.
00:24:02.380 The third thing.
00:24:08.160 And the third thing that I think really divides the parties,
00:24:10.860 and it's, you know, it's like me, Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump,
00:24:14.740 we're sort of all on the same page on this, is,
00:24:16.840 do you think that the United States should ship its entire industrial base to foreign countries,
00:24:22.740 some of which hate us?
00:24:24.140 And if you think that's insane, like I do, then you're going to vote for Donald Trump.
00:24:27.620 And if you think it's a great idea to ship our industrial base overseas,
00:24:31.140 you're welcome in the party of Kamala Harris and Dick Cheney.
00:24:33.900 And that's basically it.
00:24:35.060 And those three issues, Tucker, have divided people.
00:24:39.600 I think I've divided the entire country, but actually only the leadership class.
00:24:45.020 Because I actually think that, like, 70% of Americans agree with our viewpoint on these issues.
00:24:50.540 I just think that the leadership of this country has gotten so deranged
00:24:54.660 that they convince themselves that there's a great American majority
00:24:58.600 for fighting a ton of wars, importing a ton of illegal aliens,
00:25:02.080 and shipping all the jobs overseas.
00:25:03.800 And I just don't think there is.
00:25:04.880 I would say it's higher than 70% consensus.
00:25:09.620 And you know that because the advocates of the positions you just described
00:25:13.460 will never admit that they're advocating for them.
00:25:15.880 No one will ever say, yeah, we just brought in tens of millions of illegal aliens.
00:25:20.560 They lie about the fact they did it.
00:25:22.340 So clearly there's no constituency for that.
00:25:24.720 No, that's exactly right.
00:25:25.640 And, you know, this has been a big issue with some of the microscope that's been put on communities
00:25:31.700 that have accepted a large number of Haitian migrants in the past couple of years.
00:25:35.740 So in Springfield, Ohio, about 20,000.
00:25:38.040 There's a community in Pennsylvania that I think has accepted about 2,500
00:25:41.300 in a town of about 4,000 people.
00:25:43.860 So there are people who say that this is fundamentally necessary
00:25:50.000 because unless you import all of these people, that there aren't going to be any jobs.
00:25:56.260 And I actually think that sort of gets it exactly upside down.
00:25:59.420 The reason why people left these communities is because our leadership
00:26:03.880 shipped all of their jobs to Mexico and China and other countries.
00:26:07.200 So if you want to fix the problem, bring economic prosperity back to our country.
00:26:11.460 Don't bring 2,500 or 25,000 foreign laborers into small-town America.
00:26:17.520 Amen.
00:26:18.460 But it also raises, I think, an even deeper philosophical question,
00:26:23.620 which is who are you serving?
00:26:26.220 Who's your loyalty to?
00:26:27.400 I don't care how screwed up and fentanyl-ridden and post-industrial your little town is.
00:26:33.160 The people who live there are American citizens and they own the government.
00:26:37.140 And so the people in charge have to care about them.
00:26:39.820 But they don't at all.
00:26:40.760 They care about their donors who think that their businesses will benefit
00:26:44.420 from importing an entirely new class of workers.
00:26:47.460 But, like, aren't our leaders required to care about the current occupants of those towns?
00:26:54.260 I would think so.
00:26:55.760 I would think so.
00:26:57.040 Well, here's one way I'd put it is, and I picked this up.
00:27:02.100 This is actually when we became friends initially, right?
00:27:04.480 Is we were at some, like, massive banker's conference, and I had just written Hillbilly Elegy.
00:27:09.720 I feel dirty thinking about it, yeah.
00:27:11.080 And I realized that, like, what I had done in Hillbilly Elegy was write a very personal story about my grandmother
00:27:19.340 and my mom and my sister, and there's sort of triumph and there's trial.
00:27:23.040 And, you know, my mom struggled with addiction, and then she got clean, and my grandmother raised me.
00:27:26.940 And it was very much a personal story.
00:27:29.120 And what I realized at that conference and at Others Like It is that a lot of our leaders liked the book
00:27:36.060 not because they really sort of sympathized with the story, but it gave them an opportunity.
00:27:41.680 You know, they'd pick one paragraph out and say,
00:27:43.840 oh, well, this thing shows that these middle American, you know, working class people are bad,
00:27:51.520 or they're racist, or they're not worth focusing our attention on,
00:27:55.060 or we shouldn't save their jobs.
00:27:56.160 They're like, whatever, they use as an excuse to ignore the citizens of their own country.
00:28:00.060 And I started to feel kind of dirty about participating in this way that our leaders used my book
00:28:07.740 to try to look down on their fellow citizens rather than maybe learn something about their fellow citizens
00:28:12.760 and recommit them to making their lives better.
00:28:15.980 And that fundamental breakdown you see in our politics, like, all the time, Tucker,
00:28:20.200 because, look, there is nothing that pisses off America's leadership class.
00:28:26.880 There's nothing that angers Kamala Harris more than when a working class person
00:28:32.100 in the heartland of this country complains about what a bad job she's doing.
00:28:36.580 And, you know, when you think about, you know, this charge that our leaders constantly make,
00:28:47.460 they'll say, well, you don't want 20,000 low-wage migrants showing up in your town.
00:28:51.340 You don't want to be evicted from your home to make way for four Haitian families
00:28:55.180 who, by the way, are violating zoning laws to live in this house.
00:28:58.500 You're a racist.
00:28:59.900 That's what they'll say.
00:29:01.440 Now, think about this.
00:29:02.560 What they're really doing is saying you are not allowed to speak up about our leadership screwing up.
00:29:09.720 And when you realize this is the game that they play, I mean, look, you and I agree with this.
00:29:14.980 I think we should genuinely endeavor to look at every human being as a child of God,
00:29:20.700 whether they're black, white, brown, or anything else.
00:29:22.700 I think that is an absolutely good principle.
00:29:26.020 But I think that when our leaders call working-class citizens
00:29:31.280 who have almost no power in America in 2024,
00:29:34.960 when they call them racist, it's not because they're trying to call them to some higher meaning.
00:29:40.040 They're not trying to convince them to be more compassionate to their fellow man.
00:29:44.180 They're trying to silence them and shut them up.
00:29:46.980 And when you realize that our leadership is willing to take the compassion,
00:29:51.280 like what's best in us, that we love our fellow man and we love our fellow Americans,
00:29:55.580 and use it as a weapon to silence people,
00:29:58.520 you realize that Kamala Harris and everybody like her,
00:30:01.660 it is a disgusting game that they play, and we have to reject it.
00:30:09.340 I couldn't agree more.
00:30:12.180 I mean, I just say, let me say it again, I think it's evil.
00:30:15.060 It's evil to leverage someone's decency against him.
00:30:18.560 It's the lowest possible thing you could do.
00:30:21.200 But I have to ask, and I don't know the answer to this question,
00:30:23.180 but you've spent time on both sides.
00:30:25.440 Growing up where you did, in Ohio, going to the Marine Corps,
00:30:29.520 and then going to Yale and all that.
00:30:33.060 Go, Ohio.
00:30:36.160 It's more than just getting people to shut up so they can loot the country,
00:30:39.860 which is clearly part of it.
00:30:41.180 But there's a loathing, there's a hatred there.
00:30:43.640 Oh, yes.
00:30:44.420 And I don't understand where that comes from.
00:30:46.560 Why would you hate people who live in communities
00:30:49.960 that your friends flooded with fentanyl?
00:30:53.720 Like, why would you be mad at them?
00:30:55.360 They're the ones whose life expectancy is going down.
00:30:58.200 What did they do wrong?
00:30:59.240 If there was ever a group of victims, it's rural Americans.
00:31:03.100 So why would you hate them?
00:31:04.480 That doesn't make sense to me, but they do.
00:31:06.300 Why?
00:31:07.460 So, I don't know that I have a perfect answer to this,
00:31:09.980 but I think that rural America and the problems of rural America
00:31:13.700 just show how much their entire worldview is broken.
00:31:18.200 And so it sort of reflects back at them their own failure
00:31:21.820 and their own lack of concern for their fellow citizens, right?
00:31:24.500 So it's like one thing to say,
00:31:27.460 well, we're going to ship all the jobs to China
00:31:29.760 and we'll get a bunch of cheap plastic toys in exchange.
00:31:33.420 Or, oh, we're going to invade Iraq and, you know,
00:31:36.260 yeah, it's going to be a total disaster
00:31:37.620 and we'll kill a lot of innocent people,
00:31:39.240 but we don't really have to think about it after the war is over.
00:31:42.220 Or, yeah, you know, we'll let 20,000 Haitians into this small town,
00:31:46.100 but, you know, the employers will be happy
00:31:48.500 because they'll get some cheap labor
00:31:49.760 and then we won't have to think about it.
00:31:51.400 But when the rural people or the small town people,
00:31:54.460 the working class people start complaining about it,
00:31:57.160 then you have to actually confront
00:31:59.020 whether these things that you have done
00:32:01.140 have actually made people's lives better.
00:32:03.680 And I think that you sort of, you know,
00:32:05.100 confronted with that, right?
00:32:06.300 So you and I have a mutual friend, I won't use his name,
00:32:09.060 where, you know, he was a huge advocate of the war in Iraq.
00:32:13.500 And by the way, I was 18 years old,
00:32:15.140 but I also was an advocate of the war in Iraq.
00:32:17.320 I, in fact, enlisted in the Marine Corps in April of 2003.
00:32:21.180 We invaded in March of 2003,
00:32:23.080 simplify to all the Marines out there.
00:32:24.820 But, so, I, but like, okay,
00:32:30.200 the war turned into a total disaster.
00:32:32.920 A lot of young Americans got killed.
00:32:34.400 A lot of innocent people got killed.
00:32:36.120 And I, like, that should cause a thinking person
00:32:38.840 to evaluate, well, what were the, like,
00:32:40.920 processes in my brain that led me to think
00:32:44.280 that this was a good idea?
00:32:45.360 And how can I change so that I don't get it wrong
00:32:47.880 the next time?
00:32:48.880 And I think we have a lot of friends
00:32:50.400 who got it wrong,
00:32:52.040 but they can't have that conversation with themselves
00:32:55.440 because it's, like, too morally challenging.
00:32:58.340 Like, they wouldn't be able to look themselves
00:32:59.660 in the mirror if they realized,
00:33:00.900 oh, I did this thing that led to tens of thousands,
00:33:04.400 hundreds of thousands of innocent people
00:33:06.300 losing their lives.
00:33:07.540 And so, you could either do that thing,
00:33:10.140 you could either reevaluate and say,
00:33:11.640 maybe I screwed up, maybe I was wrong,
00:33:13.760 maybe I should rethink how I understand the world.
00:33:15.700 Like, maybe Donald Trump isn't a threat to democracy,
00:33:17.980 maybe the person who's a threat to democracy
00:33:19.760 is Kamala Harris, who is running for president
00:33:22.260 without a single vote, but you can say to yourself,
00:33:33.440 oh, I screwed up, and I'm going to think about it better.
00:33:36.960 Or you can say the people who are complaining
00:33:39.920 are bad and evil people,
00:33:41.780 and the reason they're complaining
00:33:43.180 is not because I screwed up,
00:33:44.660 but because they are screwed up people.
00:33:46.800 And I think that's what,
00:33:47.900 I genuinely think that's what our leadership does.
00:33:50.420 And I, you know, there are people,
00:33:52.160 there are people who are legitimately friends of mine
00:33:54.380 who I think legitimately hate, hate
00:33:57.560 the community that I came from
00:33:59.660 because the community that I came from
00:34:01.340 refuses to say, oh yeah, we're really glad
00:34:03.560 that based on patriotic sentiment,
00:34:06.140 we volunteered at record levels
00:34:08.660 to enlist in the Marine Corps, the Army,
00:34:10.280 the Navy, and the Air Force,
00:34:11.620 and then you sent us off to a really stupid war.
00:34:14.440 Or we really love that you used to be able to go
00:34:17.640 and raise a family on a single middle-class
00:34:20.640 manufacturing income,
00:34:22.200 but now that's really hard to do
00:34:23.800 because of Kamala Harris's inflation crisis,
00:34:26.480 but also because you guys shipped all the jobs to China, right?
00:34:29.920 The people who refuse to say,
00:34:32.180 thank you for making my life miserable,
00:34:34.600 are, they represent an opposition
00:34:39.980 and a rebellion against our failed leadership class.
00:34:43.580 And if our leadership class was healthy,
00:34:45.360 they would say, oh, we must have screwed up.
00:34:47.300 But because they can't do that,
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00:36:15.680 I'm glad this is on tape
00:36:33.180 because this is not flattery.
00:36:34.900 I mean it.
00:36:35.160 I've been interviewing politicians
00:36:36.600 for over 30 years
00:36:37.580 and I can't remember ever hearing
00:36:39.880 an analysis that deep and true
00:36:41.280 from any of them.
00:36:42.780 And I'm also struck by the fact
00:36:44.260 that I know most of the Republicans
00:36:45.960 in the Senate,
00:36:47.360 maybe one or two exceptions,
00:36:48.640 I can't imagine any of them
00:36:50.000 saying 90% of what you just said
00:36:52.140 and yet you were on the ticket
00:36:53.420 with Donald Trump.
00:36:54.660 So that makes me think
00:36:55.880 that the Republican Party
00:36:57.680 is actually changing this time.
00:37:03.260 Do you think that's true?
00:37:07.920 I mean I,
00:37:08.780 so I absolutely do
00:37:10.960 and I think there's always
00:37:12.320 going to be this kind of effort
00:37:13.900 from the old guard establishment
00:37:15.800 to try to return us
00:37:16.920 to the old ways,
00:37:17.920 the old broken ways.
00:37:19.020 So it's not like a war
00:37:20.200 that's totally over
00:37:21.280 but I do think
00:37:22.180 that we're currently winning
00:37:23.040 and look,
00:37:23.580 I have to give
00:37:24.540 a ton of credit
00:37:25.860 to my running mate,
00:37:27.220 the guy at the top of the ticket,
00:37:28.240 Donald J. Trump
00:37:28.860 because
00:37:29.440 I
00:37:30.940 and you know this
00:37:38.000 and probably a lot of you
00:37:38.640 in the audience know this,
00:37:39.400 like I was a Trump critic
00:37:40.640 back in 2016
00:37:41.680 and it's funny
00:37:43.120 when all of these,
00:37:44.620 when Biden was still running
00:37:45.860 and all of these journalists
00:37:47.540 trying to like confuse
00:37:48.960 how obviously unfit Biden was
00:37:51.440 to serve in the Oval Office,
00:37:52.760 they'd be like,
00:37:53.260 well, Biden's really old
00:37:54.540 but you know,
00:37:55.720 Trump isn't a spring chicken
00:37:56.760 anymore either
00:37:57.420 and when people would say that
00:37:59.440 I'd be like,
00:38:00.220 guys,
00:38:01.060 Donald Trump remembers
00:38:02.280 a tweet that I sent
00:38:03.720 on September 3rd, 2015.
00:38:06.800 He remembers
00:38:07.360 the time
00:38:08.600 and he remembers
00:38:09.500 exactly what I said
00:38:11.300 to the word.
00:38:13.700 Like this guy's memory
00:38:14.920 is as sharp as a tack.
00:38:16.060 In fact,
00:38:16.340 I wish that it wasn't
00:38:17.140 because my life
00:38:17.600 would be a lot easier
00:38:18.400 but this is,
00:38:20.440 these are not
00:38:21.420 two 70 year old people
00:38:22.600 who are running
00:38:23.140 for president
00:38:23.660 who are in the same
00:38:24.400 mental condition.
00:38:25.020 One clearly has the energy
00:38:26.760 to do the job
00:38:27.460 and one clearly doesn't
00:38:28.500 and what,
00:38:29.920 what,
00:38:31.340 but,
00:38:34.040 I mean,
00:38:35.100 I've seen this now
00:38:36.480 having been in the belly
00:38:37.500 of the beast
00:38:37.940 for all of two years
00:38:39.100 but I really
00:38:40.720 wish that I had been
00:38:42.460 on board earlier
00:38:43.280 because what Trump
00:38:44.860 dealt with in 2016,
00:38:47.320 it cannot be overstated
00:38:49.060 and I'm talking about
00:38:50.460 like friends of yours,
00:38:53.260 friends,
00:38:53.680 people he had been
00:38:54.480 friends with
00:38:54.900 for 30 years
00:38:55.980 calling him
00:38:57.100 and attacking him
00:38:58.080 or going on
00:38:58.760 national television
00:38:59.680 and lying about him.
00:39:01.240 When you challenge
00:39:02.580 this ossified,
00:39:04.940 broken,
00:39:05.800 ruling class
00:39:06.600 in this country,
00:39:07.740 there is hell
00:39:08.400 to pay for it
00:39:09.140 and I've got just
00:39:10.040 a little bit
00:39:10.720 of a taste of it.
00:39:11.760 I think Donald Trump
00:39:12.460 has gotten a hundred
00:39:13.280 times worse than I have
00:39:14.360 and obviously,
00:39:15.020 you know,
00:39:15.220 he almost got
00:39:15.800 literally killed
00:39:16.960 just seven weeks ago
00:39:18.240 and then again
00:39:18.740 like three days ago
00:39:19.800 but Trump,
00:39:21.900 if he hadn't won
00:39:22.880 the primary
00:39:23.600 and if he hadn't
00:39:24.640 won the general
00:39:25.140 election,
00:39:25.920 the Republican Party
00:39:26.840 would be broken,
00:39:28.360 he fixed it
00:39:29.420 and actually created
00:39:30.340 an opportunity
00:39:30.900 for us to build
00:39:31.700 something that's
00:39:32.760 durable
00:39:33.420 and it can work
00:39:34.560 for the long haul.
00:39:35.260 And I think,
00:39:41.560 you know,
00:39:41.760 so I was just,
00:39:42.960 I think I was
00:39:43.600 his first endorser
00:39:44.640 in the United States Senate
00:39:45.660 and like all of my
00:39:46.320 political advisors
00:39:47.100 are like,
00:39:47.500 why are you doing this?
00:39:48.240 It's way too early
00:39:48.820 in the primary
00:39:49.320 and it's because
00:39:50.720 having not been
00:39:51.740 on board in 2016,
00:39:53.580 I realized
00:39:54.400 that the 2024 primary
00:39:56.080 would really be
00:39:57.720 this sort of
00:39:58.840 fundamentally,
00:39:59.740 no matter who
00:40:00.480 challenged him
00:40:01.320 and there were
00:40:01.560 a lot of good people
00:40:02.420 fundamentally
00:40:03.180 that challenged him,
00:40:04.320 it would ultimately
00:40:05.820 come down to
00:40:07.040 the old guard
00:40:08.420 versus the pro-worker,
00:40:10.720 pro-America party.
00:40:12.340 And I just knew
00:40:13.100 that's how the dividing
00:40:14.180 lines would ultimately
00:40:14.840 shake out
00:40:15.280 because the old guard,
00:40:17.340 because a lot of them
00:40:18.460 knew Donald Trump
00:40:19.240 in business,
00:40:19.880 because a lot of them
00:40:20.720 know that he knows
00:40:22.300 what they're up to,
00:40:23.760 they hate him
00:40:24.820 more than almost anybody
00:40:26.420 and they hate him
00:40:27.660 because he does
00:40:28.300 actually fight
00:40:29.040 for the American people
00:40:29.920 and he does actually
00:40:30.620 care about the citizens
00:40:31.980 of his own country.
00:40:32.860 And you can,
00:40:33.560 look,
00:40:34.300 one thing I'll say
00:40:37.360 about President Trump
00:40:38.300 that is genuinely unique
00:40:39.820 is, look,
00:40:41.540 he obviously is
00:40:42.820 incredibly successful
00:40:44.000 and incredibly wealthy,
00:40:44.980 like I'm never,
00:40:45.520 nobody's going to ever
00:40:46.300 pretend that Donald Trump
00:40:47.120 is a working class person,
00:40:48.840 at least now
00:40:49.820 in his life,
00:40:51.200 but Trump actually
00:40:53.280 really likes
00:40:54.720 the people that he leads.
00:40:56.880 And that includes,
00:40:57.720 by the way,
00:40:58.280 the people
00:41:03.200 who didn't vote for him,
00:41:04.540 he still really
00:41:05.420 likes those people.
00:41:06.600 And that is,
00:41:07.100 I think,
00:41:07.300 what is very different
00:41:08.440 about President Trump
00:41:09.440 versus, frankly,
00:41:10.460 most of America's leadership
00:41:11.840 is when the cameras
00:41:13.080 are off
00:41:13.620 and they don't think
00:41:14.940 anybody's listening,
00:41:16.140 they talk about
00:41:17.080 how much they think
00:41:18.260 their own citizens
00:41:19.200 are dumb
00:41:19.640 or, well,
00:41:20.580 yeah,
00:41:21.020 the public thinks this
00:41:22.160 because the public
00:41:22.860 doesn't understand economics.
00:41:24.360 Or, well,
00:41:25.100 if the public
00:41:25.660 was just smarter,
00:41:26.440 they would realize
00:41:27.240 how smart
00:41:29.140 are, you know,
00:41:29.960 Kamala Harris is
00:41:30.960 for wanting to, like,
00:41:32.080 destroy Social Security
00:41:33.120 and Medicare
00:41:33.500 for illegal immigration,
00:41:35.000 right?
00:41:35.300 They actually think
00:41:36.520 that their own people
00:41:37.480 are stupid
00:41:37.980 and they don't like them,
00:41:39.400 but Donald Trump
00:41:40.220 actually likes people
00:41:41.300 and I think it's one
00:41:41.980 of the secrets
00:41:42.680 to success
00:41:43.260 as a political candidate.
00:41:45.100 Watching him order
00:41:46.020 at McDonald's
00:41:46.800 is, like,
00:41:47.240 one of the most
00:41:47.740 amazing things ever.
00:41:48.940 It's hysterical.
00:41:49.780 It's impossible
00:41:50.640 to imagine
00:41:51.840 Carmela,
00:41:53.060 whatever she's calling
00:41:53.680 herself,
00:41:54.060 Harris,
00:41:54.780 like,
00:41:57.100 talk to the lady
00:41:58.060 behind the counter
00:41:58.860 about the differences
00:42:00.420 in quality
00:42:01.360 and weight
00:42:01.760 and price
00:42:02.200 between the quarter pounder
00:42:03.320 and the Big Mac
00:42:03.960 and he has such strong
00:42:05.280 feelings about it.
00:42:05.780 I mean,
00:42:05.900 he's really
00:42:06.400 thought about it a lot.
00:42:08.880 Well,
00:42:09.140 and again,
00:42:09.780 this goes to his
00:42:10.560 leadership style.
00:42:12.020 Donald Trump
00:42:12.360 actually really cares
00:42:13.660 of what people think.
00:42:15.460 So,
00:42:16.260 he has absolutely
00:42:18.100 thought to himself,
00:42:19.300 what is the better value
00:42:20.640 between the quarter pounder
00:42:21.720 and the Big Mac
00:42:22.360 and he wants,
00:42:24.520 he actually wants to know
00:42:26.220 what the people
00:42:27.060 who work there
00:42:27.800 think about this question.
00:42:29.040 And by the way,
00:42:29.440 like,
00:42:29.580 I have very strong views
00:42:30.460 about this.
00:42:31.100 Like,
00:42:31.300 obviously the quarter pounder
00:42:32.360 is a better deal.
00:42:33.780 Right?
00:42:34.700 That's absurd.
00:42:35.860 Without secret sauce,
00:42:36.880 it's not even worth
00:42:37.460 going there.
00:42:38.940 But whatever.
00:42:39.800 I mean,
00:42:40.000 you know,
00:42:40.380 honest people disagree.
00:42:41.540 Marlboro Winston,
00:42:42.320 I get it.
00:42:42.560 You've allowed yourself
00:42:43.320 to be manipulated
00:42:44.020 by the elites.
00:42:44.960 The secret sauce
00:42:45.840 is not the thing
00:42:47.320 that matters.
00:42:47.880 It's the amount of meat.
00:42:49.040 You get way more meat
00:42:50.120 with a quarter pounder.
00:42:51.980 And it's obviously,
00:42:53.000 again,
00:42:54.680 but look,
00:42:55.900 the,
00:42:56.180 the,
00:42:57.360 the point is,
00:42:58.420 okay,
00:42:58.720 so let me give you
00:42:59.240 an example of this.
00:42:59.960 So,
00:43:01.080 the Saturday morning
00:43:02.240 that President Trump
00:43:03.960 was shot,
00:43:04.560 I don't know if I've ever
00:43:05.100 talked about this publicly,
00:43:06.240 but,
00:43:06.820 um,
00:43:07.400 I was down in Mar-a-Lago
00:43:09.240 for the first time
00:43:10.980 talking about
00:43:11.760 becoming his
00:43:12.380 vice presidential nominee.
00:43:13.940 And it was kind of
00:43:14.580 this crazy thing
00:43:15.160 because all these
00:43:15.640 reporters would stick
00:43:16.480 microphones in my face
00:43:17.420 and say,
00:43:17.940 you know,
00:43:18.340 you're clearly
00:43:18.760 on the short list
00:43:19.520 and have you talked
00:43:20.480 to President Trump
00:43:21.040 about it?
00:43:21.600 And I'd say,
00:43:21.980 no,
00:43:22.180 I haven't.
00:43:22.840 In fact,
00:43:23.060 I don't even know
00:43:23.540 if I'm actually
00:43:24.100 on the short list
00:43:24.700 because I've never
00:43:25.480 spoken with him.
00:43:26.400 So the Saturday morning,
00:43:27.580 I'm in Mar-a-Lago,
00:43:29.340 we're talking about
00:43:30.340 the VP thing
00:43:31.260 and he,
00:43:33.060 you know,
00:43:33.920 he's like,
00:43:34.420 you know,
00:43:34.720 I like to talk
00:43:35.580 to everybody
00:43:36.040 about who should be
00:43:36.740 the VP.
00:43:37.380 Like,
00:43:37.700 you know,
00:43:37.800 I spent about 30 minutes
00:43:38.720 talking to the gardener
00:43:39.640 at Mar-a-Lago
00:43:40.160 about who I thought,
00:43:41.280 who he thought
00:43:41.600 should be the
00:43:41.960 vice presidential nominee.
00:43:43.420 And I'm sitting there,
00:43:45.200 you know,
00:43:45.540 sweating bullets like,
00:43:46.820 well,
00:43:47.100 sir,
00:43:47.780 what did the gardener
00:43:48.780 at Mar-a-Lago
00:43:49.260 have to say
00:43:50.020 about who should be
00:43:51.320 the VP?
00:43:52.160 Because this is a question
00:43:52.920 that actually really
00:43:53.600 impacts my life.
00:43:55.120 So,
00:43:56.200 do you know the gardener
00:43:57.200 or is it just random?
00:43:58.140 No,
00:43:58.420 just,
00:43:58.920 but again,
00:43:59.540 like he actually likes
00:44:00.560 to know what people
00:44:01.120 think about things.
00:44:01.840 That's one of his
00:44:02.660 secrets of success
00:44:03.960 as a political leader.
00:44:05.180 So anyway,
00:44:05.780 he goes to,
00:44:06.760 you know,
00:44:07.400 Pennsylvania.
00:44:07.780 He doesn't tell me
00:44:09.080 that it's me.
00:44:10.480 He says that it's probably
00:44:11.760 going to be you.
00:44:12.440 I'm like,
00:44:12.640 oh,
00:44:12.820 thanks.
00:44:13.200 That makes me feel great.
00:44:15.360 I'm totally going to sleep
00:44:16.440 great tonight
00:44:17.120 knowing it's probably
00:44:18.060 going to be me.
00:44:19.200 He flies to Bucks County,
00:44:20.780 Pennsylvania,
00:44:21.320 of course,
00:44:21.800 is nearly assassinated.
00:44:23.680 God bless you guys.
00:44:25.780 And he,
00:44:27.940 you know,
00:44:28.300 like,
00:44:28.520 then he makes the decision,
00:44:29.940 I think,
00:44:30.200 the next day
00:44:30.800 or maybe even Monday morning.
00:44:32.080 I don't know,
00:44:32.660 right?
00:44:32.860 I don't know when he actually
00:44:33.740 finally made the decision.
00:44:35.320 Probably was just Monday morning
00:44:36.660 now that I think about it.
00:44:38.060 You probably know better
00:44:38.800 than I do.
00:44:39.600 Anyway,
00:44:40.540 the point is,
00:44:43.120 he,
00:44:44.100 again,
00:44:44.840 I actually think
00:44:45.980 that if you care
00:44:47.080 about the people
00:44:48.320 that you represent
00:44:49.260 and the people
00:44:49.840 that you lead,
00:44:50.700 you should want to know
00:44:51.520 what they think
00:44:51.960 about an issue.
00:44:53.040 And whatever disagreements
00:44:54.520 you might have
00:44:55.260 with President Trump,
00:44:56.040 he genuinely cares
00:44:57.500 about what people
00:44:58.200 think about an issue.
00:44:59.560 And it's why
00:45:00.360 I think he's better
00:45:01.200 plugged into what
00:45:02.120 the electorate thinks
00:45:02.800 than most political candidates.
00:45:04.000 I think that's right.
00:45:05.000 The switch up,
00:45:10.460 the disappearance
00:45:11.640 of the President
00:45:12.340 of the United States,
00:45:12.880 Biden is still
00:45:13.480 President,
00:45:13.880 technically,
00:45:14.300 correct?
00:45:14.780 I don't know.
00:45:15.560 I don't either.
00:45:16.280 I really don't know.
00:45:17.420 I don't know what happened to him.
00:45:18.580 He was pretty famous
00:45:19.420 at one point
00:45:19.940 and then he's just gone.
00:45:21.300 I saw some clip
00:45:23.000 on social media
00:45:23.760 that Jill Biden
00:45:24.760 was running a cabinet meeting.
00:45:26.540 Was that real?
00:45:27.660 Or was that...
00:45:27.900 For sure.
00:45:28.660 She's a doctor, JD.
00:45:30.340 Settle down.
00:45:32.000 She's got this.
00:45:33.280 Okay?
00:45:33.660 And anyone who hasn't read
00:45:34.720 her dissertation
00:45:35.840 on community colleges
00:45:37.200 in the state of Delaware
00:45:38.500 really should see
00:45:39.220 where the doctorate comes from.
00:45:40.420 She literally is a part of it
00:45:41.340 where she's breaking
00:45:42.040 down the proportion
00:45:42.620 by ethnicity of students
00:45:43.920 and she's like,
00:45:44.700 it's about 40% Caucasian,
00:45:46.960 about 37% African American,
00:45:49.120 and it's another 39% Hispanic
00:45:51.420 and then another 22% Asian.
00:45:53.780 And I'm like,
00:45:54.140 I'm not good at math, but...
00:45:55.200 Wait a second.
00:45:56.300 No, I'm...
00:45:57.040 You should read
00:45:58.040 Dr. Jill's dissertation.
00:46:00.760 It's unbelievable.
00:46:02.340 Anyway, she's running
00:46:02.920 the government
00:46:03.280 just so you know.
00:46:03.960 I don't think that adds up
00:46:04.740 to 100.
00:46:05.480 I'm a genius.
00:46:05.880 No, it does.
00:46:06.440 Like 147, actually.
00:46:08.000 But whatever.
00:46:08.560 She's a doctor.
00:46:09.480 But here's my question.
00:46:10.940 And I don't mean
00:46:11.640 to finger the media
00:46:12.640 in this.
00:46:15.820 Sorry.
00:46:16.400 I'm sorry.
00:46:17.200 I spent my life
00:46:17.760 in a newsroom.
00:46:18.340 It's vulgar, I know.
00:46:19.120 Like, Kamala Harris
00:46:22.000 went from being,
00:46:24.020 like, regarded as a buffoon
00:46:25.560 by everybody,
00:46:26.360 including, you know,
00:46:27.280 every Democrat I know.
00:46:28.640 You're constantly reading
00:46:29.600 about, you know,
00:46:30.820 only Montel Williams
00:46:31.800 likes her or whatever.
00:46:33.120 Everyone made fun of her.
00:46:35.340 And then, like,
00:46:36.180 within 24 hours,
00:46:38.220 she's this historic statesman.
00:46:41.140 How was the media
00:46:42.080 able to pull that off,
00:46:43.200 honestly?
00:46:44.860 Yeah, with, I mean,
00:46:46.100 a lot of shamelessness.
00:46:48.880 I mean, I, you know,
00:46:49.740 one of the things
00:46:50.800 that we say
00:46:52.140 on the campaign trail,
00:46:53.140 because it's true,
00:46:54.320 is that, you know,
00:46:55.060 we do a lot of interviews.
00:46:56.000 Like, me and President Trump
00:46:56.760 do a ton of interviews
00:46:57.680 with hostile media,
00:46:58.640 with friendly media,
00:46:59.340 with everybody in the middle,
00:47:00.620 and Kamala Harris doesn't.
00:47:02.180 Now, part of the argument
00:47:03.060 that we're trying to make
00:47:03.800 is, to the American people,
00:47:05.660 you shouldn't trust
00:47:06.740 a person who's so terrified
00:47:08.420 of the media
00:47:09.320 that she runs away from them.
00:47:11.180 Like, you can't trust
00:47:12.320 that person
00:47:12.820 in a private meeting
00:47:14.120 with Xi Jinping.
00:47:18.260 But part of what
00:47:19.980 we've been trying to do, too,
00:47:21.520 is actually shame
00:47:22.900 the American media,
00:47:24.500 which is totally,
00:47:26.180 like, it's total
00:47:27.060 historical revisionism
00:47:28.480 right before our eyes.
00:47:30.860 I mean, my wife even,
00:47:32.780 who's a totally
00:47:33.400 apolitical person,
00:47:34.620 but right after they did
00:47:35.680 the Kamala switcheroo,
00:47:37.420 she sent me, like,
00:47:38.240 a bunch of clips
00:47:39.120 of different people
00:47:40.720 and how they spoke
00:47:41.640 about Kamala Harris
00:47:42.540 like three months ago
00:47:44.080 and how they speak
00:47:45.180 about Kamala Harris today.
00:47:46.660 And it's totally flipped.
00:47:48.560 And we've been trying
00:47:49.480 to shame the American media
00:47:50.960 into looking themselves
00:47:52.140 in the mirror
00:47:52.660 and asking her
00:47:53.580 some tough questions
00:47:54.340 and actually reporting
00:47:55.020 on her record.
00:47:55.640 And you know what
00:47:56.060 we've learned, Tucker?
00:47:56.940 The American media
00:47:57.860 has no shame.
00:48:00.500 So, like, they're here.
00:48:02.800 I can feel their filthy presence.
00:48:05.080 I can see some of their...
00:48:05.700 I can feel it.
00:48:06.860 You run into them
00:48:07.760 on the road.
00:48:08.740 What do they say?
00:48:10.540 Well, they'll say in private,
00:48:12.540 almost all of them
00:48:13.360 will say,
00:48:13.700 yeah, it's really ridiculous.
00:48:14.860 Or in public,
00:48:15.960 they'll say,
00:48:16.780 well, you know,
00:48:17.500 we hope that she'll
00:48:18.160 give us an interview.
00:48:19.360 And it's like, well,
00:48:20.120 but the Democratic process
00:48:22.260 requires that she gives you
00:48:23.580 an interview
00:48:24.080 before people start voting.
00:48:25.840 Like, your job,
00:48:26.860 if you have any job,
00:48:28.020 and by the way,
00:48:28.460 to the reporters out there,
00:48:29.200 I know some of you
00:48:29.880 are out there,
00:48:30.740 like, your job
00:48:31.580 is to not repeat
00:48:33.140 Kamala Harris' propaganda
00:48:34.520 without at least getting
00:48:36.080 a chance to ask her
00:48:37.100 a question about it.
00:48:38.500 And that's what...
00:48:39.680 Well, but it's really simple.
00:48:43.640 I've been in the media
00:48:44.460 my whole life.
00:48:45.300 I know how it works.
00:48:46.300 If you want a politician
00:48:47.760 to do something,
00:48:49.300 you attack that politician
00:48:50.940 until the politician
00:48:51.880 does what you want.
00:48:52.860 Yeah.
00:48:53.340 And so they could make
00:48:54.420 Kamala Harris
00:48:55.540 give interviews
00:48:56.940 to everybody
00:48:58.180 from TMZ
00:48:59.460 to the Washington Post
00:49:00.180 editorial page
00:49:00.800 just by attacking her
00:49:02.000 every day,
00:49:02.380 but they won't.
00:49:03.180 Why?
00:49:04.480 Well, because,
00:49:05.500 unfortunately,
00:49:07.160 most of the American media,
00:49:08.560 we need to be honest
00:49:09.240 about this,
00:49:09.760 most of the American media
00:49:10.940 is, in fact,
00:49:12.440 part of the very corrupt system
00:49:14.220 that they pretend
00:49:14.720 to report on.
00:49:15.400 Right?
00:49:15.520 That's the answer.
00:49:18.060 So,
00:49:18.880 okay.
00:49:22.040 So, if you're,
00:49:23.240 I mean,
00:49:23.480 first of all,
00:49:24.140 the news media business
00:49:25.660 has been totally decimated
00:49:26.940 by big tech,
00:49:27.720 by the way.
00:49:28.440 Like, the reason why
00:49:29.240 we don't really have
00:49:30.160 local papers anymore
00:49:31.180 is in a 20-year period,
00:49:33.340 all of the advertising revenue
00:49:34.840 that used to go,
00:49:35.600 like, classified ads
00:49:36.780 in local papers
00:49:37.780 now goes through
00:49:38.880 Google, Facebook,
00:49:40.500 so forth.
00:49:41.120 So, if you're a journalist,
00:49:43.660 there's a very good chance
00:49:44.780 that your paycheck
00:49:45.540 fundamentally depends
00:49:46.600 on the people
00:49:47.180 who are getting rich
00:49:48.260 off of the system.
00:49:49.280 Now, that doesn't mean,
00:49:50.500 by the way,
00:49:50.960 and I know a lot of them
00:49:51.800 and I actually like them
00:49:52.680 personally.
00:49:53.240 It's one of my many faults
00:49:54.200 is I like journalists
00:49:54.980 personally.
00:49:55.960 But the thing
00:49:57.200 that they will say
00:49:58.220 is they really believe
00:50:00.320 the things
00:50:00.740 that they're reporting
00:50:01.320 and they really believe
00:50:02.140 that what they're saying
00:50:02.900 and what they're doing
00:50:03.600 is the truth
00:50:04.620 and they're right about that,
00:50:05.960 by the way.
00:50:06.260 I don't think that
00:50:06.960 most of them are liars.
00:50:08.380 I think most of them
00:50:09.060 are just deluded.
00:50:09.960 No offense, guys.
00:50:11.280 But,
00:50:11.980 if they weren't deluded
00:50:13.580 and if there was somebody
00:50:15.060 who was actually
00:50:15.820 really asking,
00:50:17.120 well,
00:50:17.380 why are we spending
00:50:18.540 so much time
00:50:20.220 attacking Donald Trump
00:50:21.620 because he dared
00:50:22.340 to bring up
00:50:22.920 the Haitian migrant problem
00:50:24.800 in Springfield
00:50:25.600 and instead,
00:50:27.800 why are we spending
00:50:29.040 so much time
00:50:29.640 attacking him
00:50:30.580 instead of,
00:50:31.700 I don't know,
00:50:32.400 investigating any
00:50:33.760 of the numerous issues
00:50:35.040 that Kamala Harris
00:50:35.800 has flip-flopped on
00:50:36.760 in just the last three years?
00:50:38.120 If there was a reporter
00:50:39.480 who wanted to do that,
00:50:40.900 they would not last long
00:50:42.200 in those media organizations.
00:50:43.740 So there's a basic
00:50:44.820 selection bias.
00:50:45.960 If you're a person
00:50:47.220 who can honestly look
00:50:48.660 at American society
00:50:49.500 and say,
00:50:49.840 oh, wait a second,
00:50:51.020 American life expectancy
00:50:52.260 is declining,
00:50:53.920 right?
00:50:54.240 The only industrialized country
00:50:56.000 in the world
00:50:56.360 where that's true.
00:50:57.640 We continue to be
00:50:59.000 more and more reliant
00:51:00.000 on some of our biggest
00:51:01.200 international adversaries
00:51:02.440 to make the things
00:51:03.100 that we need.
00:51:03.580 Oh, and we're sleepwalking
00:51:05.380 into a multi-continent,
00:51:07.280 in other words,
00:51:07.820 a world war
00:51:08.740 with a president
00:51:10.220 who clearly doesn't even know
00:51:11.800 who the hell
00:51:12.320 or where the hell he is.
00:51:13.740 Like, maybe
00:51:14.480 the honest thing
00:51:15.960 would be to really
00:51:16.960 aggressively interrogate
00:51:18.760 how we got here.
00:51:19.940 But no, no, no, no, no.
00:51:21.100 No, no, no.
00:51:21.440 What the journalists
00:51:22.320 have instead decided to do
00:51:24.100 is they're going to focus
00:51:26.360 on, like,
00:51:27.500 a sex scandal
00:51:28.380 from two days ago
00:51:30.080 from, like,
00:51:31.300 that involves
00:51:31.860 some random journalist
00:51:32.880 who I don't know
00:51:33.560 even know
00:51:33.880 and have never even met.
00:51:34.980 Right?
00:51:35.260 There's, like,
00:51:35.660 this weird sex scandal
00:51:36.780 story going on right now
00:51:37.660 that the media
00:51:38.140 is obsessed with.
00:51:39.440 I don't think
00:51:40.120 there was any actual sex
00:51:41.060 in the sex scandal.
00:51:41.920 That's how I'm sure it is.
00:51:42.660 I think that's right.
00:51:44.120 But the media
00:51:46.560 is more focused on that
00:51:48.100 than they are on the fact
00:51:49.180 that we are sleepwalking
00:51:50.520 into World War III
00:51:51.520 with Joe Biden
00:51:52.840 as the president
00:51:53.840 of the United States.
00:51:54.560 And the reason
00:51:55.080 why we have Joe Biden
00:51:56.240 is because Kamala Harris
00:51:57.900 lied about his mental
00:51:59.340 fitness for office.
00:52:00.600 Like, if you actually
00:52:01.620 care about the truth,
00:52:02.900 ask those questions
00:52:04.540 and leave the salacious
00:52:05.880 bullshit to the tabloids.
00:52:07.780 But they can't do that.
00:52:10.060 And if they did, Tucker,
00:52:11.340 again,
00:52:12.800 if they did,
00:52:14.580 a lot of them
00:52:15.520 would lose their jobs.
00:52:17.020 And so it selects
00:52:18.640 for people
00:52:19.220 who are very trusting
00:52:20.540 of the system
00:52:21.580 and not for people
00:52:22.680 who actually want to
00:52:23.220 ask questions
00:52:23.800 of that system.
00:52:24.900 The most interesting
00:52:25.760 and newsworthy
00:52:26.780 television show
00:52:27.700 of the year
00:52:28.440 is coming here
00:52:29.400 to TCN.
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00:52:39.760 and a team
00:52:40.520 have been embedded
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00:52:49.000 on the campaign
00:52:49.880 in real time,
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00:53:09.020 Township, Pennsylvania
00:53:09.980 Trump rally,
00:53:10.720 and a lot more.
00:53:11.720 It's going to pull back
00:53:12.420 the curtain completely.
00:53:13.600 They are embedded
00:53:14.300 inside the campaign.
00:53:16.160 I can't wait
00:53:16.540 to see it personally.
00:53:17.980 But to get it first,
00:53:18.720 go to TuckerCarlson.com,
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00:53:29.540 It's just wild
00:53:48.140 that one of the things
00:53:49.180 that they've been able
00:53:49.820 to ignore completely
00:53:50.980 is the number
00:53:52.080 of politically motivated
00:53:53.180 prosecutions
00:53:54.060 over the last four years.
00:53:55.180 I think the congressman
00:53:55.840 from this district,
00:53:56.640 actually, Scott Perry,
00:53:57.540 got a hassle by the FBI.
00:53:58.700 I think I may be missing this.
00:54:00.380 And I think Scott Perry's
00:54:01.460 here, by the way.
00:54:02.080 Great congressman, Scott.
00:54:03.000 Oh, he is? He's a great guy.
00:54:03.480 Scott, if you're out there.
00:54:04.640 Hello?
00:54:05.300 Hassle by the FBI
00:54:06.000 for asking,
00:54:06.660 this is my read,
00:54:07.600 not his,
00:54:08.100 but asking questions
00:54:09.360 about the last election.
00:54:10.280 That's not a criminal offense.
00:54:11.680 I know a bunch of people
00:54:12.380 who are in jail right now,
00:54:13.240 right now,
00:54:14.480 for political reasons
00:54:15.300 in our country
00:54:16.020 that's never really reported on.
00:54:18.440 It's bizarre.
00:54:20.020 And I guess the question is,
00:54:22.040 if you guys lose,
00:54:24.120 like,
00:54:24.540 what would stop that
00:54:25.880 from just becoming
00:54:26.840 universal?
00:54:28.700 Yeah.
00:54:30.000 Well,
00:54:30.660 I don't know
00:54:32.240 that anything would
00:54:33.060 because the animating bias
00:54:36.160 or the animating motivation,
00:54:37.660 I should say,
00:54:38.820 of Kamala Harris's
00:54:40.820 Democratic Party
00:54:41.600 is censorship.
00:54:43.420 Because without censorship,
00:54:44.880 you can't get all
00:54:45.660 of the other things
00:54:46.220 that they want.
00:54:46.700 Like,
00:54:46.800 you can't get
00:54:47.460 the ridiculous foreign policy
00:54:49.120 or the ridiculous trade policy,
00:54:51.000 the wide open borders
00:54:51.920 without censorship.
00:54:53.360 And so,
00:54:53.780 if you look,
00:54:54.660 and this is,
00:54:55.180 by the way,
00:54:55.620 I think this is actually
00:54:56.560 the fundamental difference
00:54:57.620 between the overheated
00:54:59.420 political rhetoric
00:55:00.200 on the left
00:55:00.900 and on the right.
00:55:01.940 And I hate,
00:55:02.520 by the way,
00:55:02.800 when people both sides
00:55:03.900 of this issue,
00:55:04.440 they're like,
00:55:04.760 well,
00:55:05.020 we all need to tone down
00:55:05.920 the rhetoric.
00:55:06.680 Well,
00:55:07.120 look,
00:55:07.400 by the way,
00:55:07.920 I try to be a very humble person.
00:55:10.100 I agree,
00:55:10.700 we can all tone down
00:55:11.500 the rhetoric.
00:55:11.980 None of us is perfect,
00:55:13.000 including me.
00:55:14.280 But when Donald Trump
00:55:15.440 has taken two assassination attempts
00:55:17.120 in the last seven weeks,
00:55:18.220 it's not both sides
00:55:19.480 that need to tone down
00:55:20.140 the rhetoric.
00:55:20.760 It's one side in particular.
00:55:23.080 And you have to ask.
00:55:30.340 But if you look at
00:55:33.120 what is the animating focus
00:55:34.840 of the political prosecutions,
00:55:37.400 of the big tech censorship
00:55:38.620 in 2020
00:55:39.540 and all the censorship
00:55:40.840 around COVID,
00:55:42.080 of the fact that
00:55:42.860 the European Union,
00:55:44.440 which basically wouldn't exist
00:55:45.940 without American taxpayer protection.
00:55:48.100 I mean,
00:55:48.280 Europe,
00:55:49.780 like,
00:55:50.420 only two countries in Europe
00:55:51.500 even have real militaries
00:55:52.560 at this point,
00:55:53.380 right?
00:55:53.880 NATO is at this point
00:55:54.980 a welfare client
00:55:56.040 of the United States of America.
00:55:57.980 So Europe is going after
00:55:59.880 Elon Musk
00:56:01.160 for free speech
00:56:02.660 and threatening to imprison him
00:56:04.700 for platforming who?
00:56:06.760 Donald Trump,
00:56:07.820 who is the likely next president
00:56:09.260 of the United States.
00:56:10.560 You go down the list,
00:56:11.760 the animating bias
00:56:13.460 is censorship.
00:56:15.060 And if you think about it,
00:56:16.200 what is the ultimate way?
00:56:18.120 If you've tried to
00:56:19.060 bankrupt a person,
00:56:20.140 you've tried to jail a person,
00:56:21.500 you've tried to,
00:56:22.320 you know,
00:56:22.820 throw a person in prison,
00:56:24.480 you've tried to kick them
00:56:25.620 out of office,
00:56:26.760 you've impeached them twice,
00:56:27.840 what is the ultimate way
00:56:29.340 to censor a human being?
00:56:31.380 Taking their life.
00:56:32.840 And I think this is really
00:56:33.980 the difference between
00:56:35.060 political rhetoric
00:56:36.240 on the left and the right,
00:56:37.120 which again,
00:56:37.620 we don't always get it right
00:56:38.800 on my side of the aisle,
00:56:39.840 but we're never saying
00:56:41.780 we want to censor
00:56:43.000 the other side.
00:56:43.880 We in fact want to
00:56:45.020 have the debate.
00:56:45.540 We're telling Kamala Harris
00:56:46.560 you should do more interviews,
00:56:48.280 not less.
00:56:49.100 You should get out there more
00:56:50.220 because we get about
00:56:50.820 100,000 votes every time
00:56:51.960 you open your mouth.
00:56:52.560 But all kidding aside,
00:57:05.280 we are not trying
00:57:07.280 to censor the left.
00:57:08.860 The left is trying
00:57:10.020 to censor not just the right,
00:57:11.620 but the entire country,
00:57:13.120 which goes to show
00:57:14.360 they are a threat
00:57:16.220 to democracy.
00:57:17.540 They cannot be rewarded
00:57:18.740 with more political power.
00:57:20.400 They have to be penalized.
00:57:21.440 It's like when a kid,
00:57:23.520 you know,
00:57:23.740 as I've learned
00:57:24.240 as a young father,
00:57:25.600 when a kid screws up
00:57:26.700 and you just let them,
00:57:28.140 you reward them for it,
00:57:29.460 they actually do it more
00:57:30.700 and they do it worse.
00:57:32.140 The only way
00:57:33.200 to reward Kamala Harris
00:57:35.000 is by making her president
00:57:36.260 and the only way
00:57:37.180 to punish her
00:57:37.880 and say,
00:57:38.280 look,
00:57:38.740 we don't accept censorship
00:57:40.240 of our fellow citizens
00:57:41.360 is to fire her
00:57:42.620 and send her back
00:57:43.240 to San Francisco.
00:57:44.080 That's where she belongs.
00:57:44.840 So given that,
00:57:50.320 I mean,
00:57:52.300 every news outlet
00:57:53.080 I've ever worked at,
00:57:53.980 which is a lot of them,
00:57:54.920 they're all controlled,
00:57:55.960 obviously,
00:57:56.680 and given that,
00:57:58.680 you know,
00:57:58.900 the biggest tech platforms
00:57:59.980 would be Google
00:58:00.800 and YouTube,
00:58:01.700 same company,
00:58:02.400 openly practice censorship,
00:58:04.260 all kinds of things
00:58:04.660 you can't talk about.
00:58:05.600 They'll take you off,
00:58:06.180 demonetize you.
00:58:07.520 Really,
00:58:07.880 we're talking about X,
00:58:08.860 actually.
00:58:09.780 We're talking about X
00:58:10.300 is the place
00:58:10.800 where free speech lives.
00:58:11.800 And if you were
00:58:14.220 to take that out,
00:58:16.280 darkness would descend.
00:58:17.980 That's just a fact.
00:58:19.340 And if you want
00:58:19.820 to know the totalitarian
00:58:20.620 impulses of your ruling class,
00:58:22.140 read the Atlantic magazine
00:58:23.100 where they announce
00:58:24.060 all of it ahead of time.
00:58:25.860 And they're telling you now
00:58:27.060 that we need to shut down
00:58:28.240 Elon Musk's X
00:58:29.520 because there's just
00:58:30.300 way too much free speech.
00:58:32.020 And I wonder how seriously
00:58:33.080 you take those threats.
00:58:34.780 Well,
00:58:34.900 I take them very seriously.
00:58:35.860 I mean,
00:58:36.000 look,
00:58:36.240 if we've learned anything
00:58:36.960 over the last four years
00:58:37.900 is when these people say
00:58:38.800 they want to do something,
00:58:39.680 they actually mean it.
00:58:40.600 And they intend to do it.
00:58:41.800 We actually had to
00:58:43.140 take them seriously.
00:58:43.860 I mean,
00:58:44.160 when Kamala Harris ran
00:58:45.640 saying that we want
00:58:46.900 to suspend deportations,
00:58:48.900 re-implement catch and release,
00:58:50.200 which is basically
00:58:50.780 just mass asylum fraud,
00:58:52.520 and stop Donald Trump's
00:58:53.680 remain in Mexico policy,
00:58:55.440 even though I didn't vote for her,
00:58:56.820 I voted for Donald Trump,
00:58:57.680 I thought,
00:58:58.040 well,
00:58:58.140 this is crazy.
00:58:58.900 They're not actually
00:58:59.400 going to do this.
00:59:00.080 And then they did.
00:59:01.400 So when they say
00:59:02.620 that they want to use
00:59:03.760 the force of law
00:59:04.860 to silence
00:59:05.900 or even imprison
00:59:07.200 Elon Musk
00:59:08.040 for daring to host
00:59:09.400 a free speech platform,
00:59:11.080 we have to listen to them.
00:59:13.080 And that is the one thing.
00:59:14.560 The most awesome power
00:59:16.320 in the physical world today
00:59:18.800 is the United States government.
00:59:20.700 Millions of people,
00:59:22.300 the world's largest
00:59:23.200 and most powerful military.
00:59:24.820 If we give that over
00:59:26.020 to people who are saying,
00:59:27.620 not only do we disagree
00:59:28.560 with Donald Trump,
00:59:29.540 not only do we disagree
00:59:30.500 with Donald Trump's supporters,
00:59:32.100 but we want to prevent them
00:59:33.260 from participating
00:59:33.940 in the American democratic system,
00:59:36.320 that is some scary shit
00:59:38.600 and we need to reject it.
00:59:39.780 And that's exactly
00:59:40.440 what I think,
00:59:41.220 by the way,
00:59:41.820 with your help,
00:59:42.720 we're going to do.
00:59:44.180 So thank you for doing this.
00:59:46.240 This has been
00:59:46.800 a really interesting
00:59:49.040 and amazing conversation.
00:59:50.180 So last question for you.
00:59:51.480 So I think
00:59:51.980 if I'm reading this correctly,
00:59:53.540 that Donald Trump
00:59:54.080 has announced
00:59:54.640 that he will
00:59:55.860 not allow
00:59:57.480 states and municipalities
00:59:58.580 going forward
00:59:59.720 if elected in November
01:00:00.840 to continue being
01:00:01.720 so-called sanctuary cities.
01:00:03.160 which means
01:00:04.900 places
01:00:07.680 or entire states
01:00:09.340 in these 50 United States
01:00:11.100 that openly ignore
01:00:12.580 federal immigration law,
01:00:14.440 which must be federal
01:00:15.060 because it applies
01:00:15.500 to all of us
01:00:16.620 and its effects
01:00:17.520 are national.
01:00:18.420 Someone comes into one state
01:00:19.220 and go to your state.
01:00:21.080 And I'm just thinking,
01:00:22.500 reading this like,
01:00:23.320 this has been going on
01:00:24.060 for decades.
01:00:25.980 Any state or city
01:00:27.600 that has a sanctuary city law
01:00:29.600 is an open rebellion
01:00:30.920 in the way that
01:00:31.600 Fort Sumter
01:00:32.160 was an open rebellion
01:00:33.080 against the government
01:00:34.200 of the United States.
01:00:35.700 Why have we allowed
01:00:36.760 this to go on
01:00:37.440 for decades?
01:00:38.260 I don't understand.
01:00:40.100 Well,
01:00:40.880 the answer is
01:00:41.620 we've allowed it to go on
01:00:42.620 because the federal government
01:00:43.580 still funds
01:00:44.380 all of these cities.
01:00:45.580 The sanctuary city stuff
01:00:47.360 is very expensive
01:00:48.660 because when you invite
01:00:50.280 millions of illegal aliens
01:00:51.460 into your country
01:00:52.660 and then certain cities
01:00:54.040 and municipalities
01:00:54.700 invite thousands
01:00:55.760 or even tens of thousands,
01:00:57.320 I mean,
01:00:57.460 the cost to illegal immigration
01:00:59.140 in New York City
01:00:59.820 I believe is north
01:01:01.120 of six billion dollars
01:01:02.240 a year.
01:01:03.460 In Chicago,
01:01:04.320 I think it's around
01:01:04.920 five hundred million dollars
01:01:06.280 a year.
01:01:07.020 Well,
01:01:07.360 that money doesn't come
01:01:08.300 from Chicago taxpayers.
01:01:09.580 It primarily comes
01:01:10.760 through federal subsidies.
01:01:12.660 So if you want to end
01:01:13.560 sanctuary cities,
01:01:14.760 just cut off the money spigot
01:01:16.520 to sanctuary cities.
01:01:17.540 You don't get our taxpayer money
01:01:18.940 if you refuse
01:01:20.140 to enforce the law.
01:01:22.020 It's actually,
01:01:23.040 this one,
01:01:25.720 man,
01:01:26.000 some of this stuff
01:01:26.920 is really complicated.
01:01:27.740 This one is actually
01:01:29.040 very simple.
01:01:30.100 The federal government
01:01:30.800 just needs to say
01:01:31.840 we control immigration law,
01:01:33.920 right?
01:01:34.220 There are some things
01:01:35.140 the states and local governments
01:01:36.300 control.
01:01:37.080 The federal government
01:01:37.700 controls like foreign policy,
01:01:39.680 immigration law,
01:01:40.420 and a few other things.
01:01:41.580 And if you are not
01:01:43.040 going to obey
01:01:43.680 federal immigration laws,
01:01:45.420 then we're going to
01:01:46.740 cut off the paycheck,
01:01:48.680 we're going to cut off
01:01:49.340 the money,
01:01:49.820 and you have to enforce
01:01:51.020 our laws in order to get
01:01:51.920 any more money
01:01:52.460 from American taxpayers.
01:01:53.120 I know,
01:01:53.760 but when Central High School
01:01:55.980 disobeyed federal law
01:01:57.420 in Little Rock in 1956,
01:01:58.680 it's at the 101st Airborne.
01:02:00.140 Yeah.
01:02:00.820 And this has been going on
01:02:02.580 where states and cities
01:02:04.600 are like,
01:02:05.280 we basically are
01:02:06.800 our own countries now,
01:02:08.580 and no one's done anything.
01:02:09.760 Can you just really quick
01:02:10.820 tell us the mindset
01:02:12.180 that allowed Washington
01:02:13.320 to ignore this?
01:02:14.940 Oh, well,
01:02:15.460 I don't think it's that
01:02:16.200 Washington's ignoring it,
01:02:17.340 Tucker.
01:02:17.600 I think that it actually
01:02:18.680 shows where the real power is,
01:02:20.640 and that's with
01:02:21.340 the federal bureaucracy.
01:02:22.300 And our mutual friend,
01:02:23.760 Vivek Ramaswamy,
01:02:24.780 talks a lot about this,
01:02:25.860 that the real...
01:02:28.300 And again,
01:02:30.780 you hear this term
01:02:32.660 threat to democracy,
01:02:33.660 it's always projection.
01:02:34.920 When they talk about
01:02:35.600 threat to democracy,
01:02:36.480 they're always projecting
01:02:37.420 on something else.
01:02:38.420 The real threat to democracy,
01:02:40.040 you and I have talked about this,
01:02:41.220 is if the President
01:02:42.460 of the United States
01:02:43.520 orders generals
01:02:44.820 to do a troop redeployment,
01:02:46.360 and the generals refuse
01:02:47.780 or lie to the President
01:02:49.100 about what they've done,
01:02:50.420 that's a threat to democracy.
01:02:51.880 And by the way,
01:02:52.480 that happened at the very end
01:02:53.480 of Donald Trump's presidency,
01:02:54.860 right?
01:02:55.140 And none of those people
01:02:55.900 got fired.
01:02:56.940 None of them were even punished.
01:02:58.540 So you ask about immigration
01:02:59.580 in sanctuary cities.
01:03:01.020 The answer to this question
01:03:02.340 is the permanent bureaucracy
01:03:04.080 in Washington
01:03:04.920 doesn't want us
01:03:06.180 to have a border.
01:03:07.180 So even when you have
01:03:08.400 a guy like Donald Trump
01:03:09.580 who is using
01:03:10.380 all of the powers
01:03:11.280 of the presidency
01:03:11.960 to try to enforce
01:03:13.240 the southern border,
01:03:14.460 like, the bureaucrats
01:03:15.260 have to listen to him
01:03:16.240 on that issue
01:03:17.120 because they report to him.
01:03:18.280 But they can make it easier
01:03:20.780 for the state
01:03:21.700 and municipalities
01:03:22.560 to violate immigration law
01:03:24.480 and that's how they subvert
01:03:26.240 the will of the American
01:03:27.400 people's elected president.
01:03:28.880 I mean, this is like
01:03:29.880 a fundamental question.
01:03:31.520 Ask yourself,
01:03:32.840 who amongst
01:03:34.460 the United States of America,
01:03:36.200 which citizens voted
01:03:37.800 to have 25 million
01:03:39.560 illegal aliens
01:03:40.280 invade this country?
01:03:41.080 I don't think anyone,
01:03:45.460 even Democrats
01:03:46.700 who disagree with me
01:03:47.860 about exactly what to do
01:03:49.440 with the illegal immigrants
01:03:50.420 who are here,
01:03:51.160 I don't think that they voted
01:03:52.960 for a literal invasion
01:03:54.940 of this country.
01:03:56.020 Okay, you talk about inflation
01:03:57.180 and all the unaffordability problems.
01:03:59.800 Who voted to,
01:04:01.720 in the name of environmental cleanliness,
01:04:05.080 to shut down American energy
01:04:07.120 and ship it to China,
01:04:08.380 which is the dirtiest economy
01:04:09.740 in the entire world,
01:04:10.620 nobody voted for that.
01:04:12.740 So what these guys do,
01:04:14.500 abetted by the media,
01:04:15.620 is they run on slogans,
01:04:17.480 the media covers up for it,
01:04:18.940 they pretend that those slogans
01:04:20.140 have substance
01:04:20.800 and then even when
01:04:21.800 the American people
01:04:22.740 see through the BS
01:04:24.060 and elect a guy like Donald Trump,
01:04:25.780 the permanent bureaucracy
01:04:26.640 fights him every step of the way.
01:04:28.340 One of the most important things,
01:04:29.920 Tucker,
01:04:30.460 that we are going to do
01:04:31.380 when we win
01:04:32.360 is that we are going to make
01:04:33.980 the bureaucracy responsive
01:04:35.360 to the American people.
01:04:36.540 It has to happen.
01:04:37.820 If you don't do that,
01:04:39.260 you don't have a real,
01:04:40.620 constitutional republic.
01:04:41.400 I mean,
01:04:41.740 you're really going to need
01:04:43.060 to be tough
01:04:44.260 to get that done.
01:04:45.260 Are you confident
01:04:45.980 you can do that?
01:04:47.580 Tucker,
01:04:48.060 I'm confident
01:04:48.880 we can do it
01:04:49.600 because nobody
01:04:50.160 has ever really tried
01:04:51.280 because for 40 years
01:04:52.560 we haven't had
01:04:53.440 a real political opposition
01:04:54.500 in this country
01:04:55.200 and now we do.
01:04:57.140 Think about that.
01:04:57.700 I mean,
01:04:58.560 just take the three basic issues
01:05:00.920 that we talked about.
01:05:01.620 Trade policy,
01:05:02.380 immigration policy,
01:05:03.380 foreign policy.
01:05:04.380 There are disagreements
01:05:05.220 even within the Republican Party
01:05:07.500 about those issues
01:05:08.360 but every single one
01:05:09.780 of those issues
01:05:10.500 are winning issues
01:05:11.920 with the American people.
01:05:13.480 So what we're saying
01:05:14.560 is crazy as it sounds,
01:05:17.440 we think the American people
01:05:18.820 should have a government
01:05:19.740 that reflects
01:05:20.840 their best interests
01:05:22.100 and their actual preferences
01:05:23.420 and we're going to fight
01:05:24.580 every single day
01:05:25.340 to make it happen
01:05:26.020 and there's no reason
01:05:26.980 to do this.
01:05:28.560 I mean, look,
01:05:29.480 as you know,
01:05:31.760 my life was like very easy
01:05:33.180 before I ran
01:05:33.820 for political office
01:05:34.600 and Donald Trump's
01:05:35.360 was way easier than mine.
01:05:37.160 We're only doing this
01:05:38.420 because we think
01:05:39.040 that we can get it done.
01:05:40.140 We have to get it done
01:05:41.020 to save the country.
01:05:44.000 So I just want to stop
01:05:45.340 by repeating something
01:05:46.300 you just said.
01:05:47.780 For 40 years
01:05:49.200 we haven't had
01:05:50.380 an opposition party
01:05:51.720 and now we do.
01:05:54.940 God bless you.
01:05:56.580 Thank you guys.
01:05:57.880 Remember, go vote.
01:05:59.640 November 5th,
01:06:00.600 vote before
01:06:01.320 or vote on November 5th.
01:06:02.940 God bless you guys.
01:06:09.060 The big tech companies
01:06:10.340 censor our content.
01:06:12.320 I hate to tell you that
01:06:13.040 it's still going on in 2024
01:06:14.320 but you know what
01:06:14.960 they can't censor?
01:06:16.500 Live events.
01:06:17.780 And that's why
01:06:18.160 we are hitting the road
01:06:19.200 on a fall tour
01:06:20.320 for the entire month
01:06:22.100 of September
01:06:22.800 coast to coast.
01:06:24.180 We'll be in cities
01:06:25.000 across the United States.
01:06:26.540 We'll be in
01:06:27.080 Reading, Pennsylvania
01:06:28.060 with Alex Jones.
01:06:29.380 Fort Worth, Texas
01:06:30.080 with Roseanne Barr.
01:06:31.620 Greenville, South Carolina
01:06:32.860 with Marjorie Taylor Green.
01:06:34.600 Sunrise, Florida
01:06:35.400 with John Rich.
01:06:36.720 Jacksonville, Florida
01:06:37.600 with Donald Trump Jr.
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01:06:41.800 Hope to see you there.
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