The Tucker Carlson Show - JD Vance： The New Opposition Party, Saving Rural America, & Why Trump Seeks Advice From His Gardener

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:10.000 Thank you. I'm very psyched to be here. I was just, I was coming in backstage. This is our 11th city we've been in this month. And you have a kind of formula for how things work. And I'm standing backstage and I see this ice bucket full of green bottles.

00:00:30.000 And I reached my hand, I don't know what it was. It's Mountain Dew. And I said, I said to the person I was walking with, like, why do we have Mountain Dew? J.D. Vance drinks Mountain Dew. Actually drinks Mountain Dew.

00:00:48.940 And I know J.D. Vance very well. And I know that he's, like, the most authentic person in politics. But you often hear people say, and you can feel it on him, he's not, he went to Yale Law School. You know, he's not really from Appalachia.

00:01:05.000 I found the Mountain Dew. That's for real. You're not, you're not drinking this. They don't have this at the Aspen Institute. Trust me. I was so impressed.

00:01:18.060 And I'm very sympathetic to, I love, actually, his politics, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to try that. Sorry. I'm going to have my little Perrier. I'm not a man of the people. Anyway, thank you so much for coming. I'm sorry it took so long to get in.

00:01:34.680 This is what happens when your security is run by your opponent, I think. It's kind of hard to have an event. It's sort of a, it's a funny system that we have. No other country does that, I don't think. We'll just, we'll take care of security. Don't worry.

00:01:55.740 And just to make it super efficient, we're going to let the TSA handle it. Because when you want things to work smoothly, like when you're late for your flight on Memorial Day weekend. Anyway, so I'm sorry about that. We have no control over it. I'm not alleging anything other than what's totally obvious.

00:02:17.280 Oh, that's just amused to me. And I heard the media are here. I don't know. I know. Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. And I, I heard even the New York Times, Politico. They're all here. No, I don't know. I just want them to stand up and announce who they're voting for, if they would. I don't know. I don't have my glasses on, so I don't know where they are.

00:02:42.400 I can't hear what you're saying, but I know I agree with you. If, if you are trying to express loathing, I'm on your side. And by the way, I would know, having spent over 30 years in their lair, and no amount of sauna cold plunge, hot bath combinations can scrape off the moral stain of us all the time that I spent there.

00:03:08.880 But anyway, thank you so much. So I'm going to, because we're running a little late, I want to get to the interview with Senator Vance pretty quickly.

00:03:18.820 But I just wanted to say, and it's much more interesting than anything I'm going to say anyway, but I just want to say something that he knows really well, because he's been on the road since the convention.

00:03:27.520 But I'm just remembering, since it's been a long time since I've been on the road, which is that if you experience your country, the one that you were born in, and that you love, and that your ancestors built, and you will die in, America, if you experience it through your phone, which I hate to admit is mostly the way I do experience it,

00:03:45.980 you really get a distorted picture of it. And it feels like a country at war with itself. And in fact, we're told that very often, this country is on the brink of civil war, and everybody hates everybody else, on the basis of some immutable characteristic, on the basis of race, primarily, but also of sex, and then political affiliation, and basically, America is about to explode.

00:04:08.660 It's the crock pot you forgot to turn off, and it's about to just blow up and wreck your kitchen.

00:04:18.160 I love that. You know, it might be kind of an unsequitur, like scream out a 1970s-era Leonard Skinner song in the middle of a pause, but to me, I'm grooving with you, baby. I know exactly what you mean. That's right. I can't quite articulate what you mean, but I know what you mean.

00:04:36.540 Freybird. Anyway, the point is, you really get the sense that the country is at war with itself, and that people really hate each other.

00:04:45.440 And when you travel it, and we're going coast to coast for a month, we already have been coast to coast, that's not the experience you have at all. Like, at all, actually.

00:04:55.920 I can just tell you, as officially, and the New York Times has chronicled this at great length, as one of the most hated people in the world, I kind of expected to be yelled at, you know what I mean?

00:05:07.020 At like an airport, or a Starbucks, or the lobby of a hotel. Not one time.

00:05:12.520 And I, no, it has nothing to do with me. It's not because I'm so great, or people secretly love me.

00:05:18.020 It's that Americans, secretly, don't really hate each other, which is kind of amazing.

00:05:24.200 When was the, no, it's true. They don't.

00:05:28.240 And yet, they have been convinced that they do, and they have, in fact, been inspired to hate each other, systematically, for decades.

00:05:35.960 And I've watched this. The entire presentation of American history, again, driven by the New York Times, I've got to say, wherever the correspondent is.

00:05:44.060 The entire presentation of American history is designed to make you believe that this is a country based on hate, the hate of Americans for each other.

00:05:53.780 And they have been telling us, well, I'm 55, so they've been telling it for at least the 50 years I can remember going to school.

00:05:59.300 They've been telling us this version.

00:06:00.660 And that that, you know, that is the core problem of the country, is that people really, really hate each other.

00:06:06.200 And looking back on it, I've been thinking of it all week, I don't think I've ever seen that.

00:06:11.340 Ever. Not one time.

00:06:13.380 And what I see, actually, is just the opposite.

00:06:15.740 I see people of all backgrounds and all beliefs totally determined to get along with each other,

00:06:23.700 and doing it despite the encouragement of their leaders.

00:06:27.820 And I just think, I think two things about that.

00:06:33.320 One, I think it's quite revealing of our leaders.

00:06:37.940 Because what leader wants the people he leads to hate each other?

00:06:41.880 That's like really the kind of the darkest thing you could ever want.

00:06:43.900 If you're a parent, you know.

00:06:46.740 It is evil.

00:06:47.940 It is the definition of evil.

00:06:49.640 What parent wants his or her kids to hate each other?

00:06:52.180 You want the opposite.

00:06:52.820 Because when you die, the one thing you leave behind is the love of your children for each other.

00:06:59.520 That's how your memory continues.

00:07:01.600 Because your children love each other.

00:07:04.180 Almost no parent needs to have this explained.

00:07:06.340 Every parent knows it intuitively.

00:07:08.620 And it's not just the family, the most basic and important organization in human civilization.

00:07:13.680 It's every organization, from your office, to a military unit, to your state, to your country.

00:07:20.080 Leaders have, as their first and most sacred duty, the responsibility to unite the people who follow them.

00:07:28.980 To keep them whole.

00:07:30.200 To keep them together.

00:07:31.160 And to do the opposite of that, systematically, over decades, using the media primarily, but also now just from the podium, is evil.

00:07:43.580 It's absolutely evil because it's a perfect inversion of their duty.

00:07:47.300 And they have tried harder than really any task.

00:07:50.660 They certainly haven't put their effort into managing the economy or paving the roads or making it safe to walk to CBS.

00:07:55.700 They've done just the opposite.

00:07:58.240 Because they've been so focused on making us hate each other.

00:08:01.720 So that's the first thing I noticed.

00:08:03.200 So they're not just incompetent. 0.90

00:08:05.600 They're really bad on a deep level, actually. 0.62

00:08:08.580 No country deserves the leaders that we have.

00:08:10.820 No state deserves the leaders you have, by the way, I can say.

00:08:15.020 I've spent so much time in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and I always think to myself,

00:08:19.480 how is the worst place in the state allowed to run the entire state?

00:08:25.700 I'm not going to name it.

00:08:28.560 But why do they have all the power?

00:08:30.240 Why do the people with the longest track record of failure have total control over the rest of the state,

00:08:35.240 which is beautiful, and filled with great people?

00:08:37.640 How does that work?

00:08:38.400 That doesn't look like democracy to me.

00:08:40.360 But you can extrapolate outward to an entire country and say,

00:08:44.180 how does a country of 350 million great people have such rotten leaders?

00:08:48.120 And that really is a theological question that I can't answer, but it does.

00:08:52.480 And here's the last thing I'll say before introducing Senator J.D. Vance, my friend.

00:08:59.840 They haven't succeeded.

00:09:02.700 And that is something to marvel at and to celebrate and to really deeply think about.

00:09:08.600 Everyone's always shocked, particularly in these last four years since, I'll put it precisely,

00:09:12.680 since Memorial Day 2020 when the revolution began, without telling us,

00:09:17.020 and the country that you grew up in and all of its institutions turned upside down

00:09:22.100 and things you really loved and respected disappeared

00:09:24.480 and people who are close to you vanished from your life.

00:09:27.400 And really, it's been chaotic since then, all by design.

00:09:31.280 And everyone I know, I think most people who are paying attention have had occurred to them

00:09:35.240 at one time or another, like, wow, there's so much evil in the world, I'm shocked.

00:09:37.720 And that's true, clearly.

00:09:40.400 But what too few people, very much including me, pause to consider is how much good there is in the world.

00:09:46.000 Good that makes no sense.

00:09:47.980 The love between people who don't know each other,

00:09:51.460 who have nothing obviously in common except their common American-ness,

00:09:57.220 their citizenship here.

00:09:59.380 People who are not gaining anything by being kind to each other.

00:10:02.800 In fact, who are encouraged not to be kind to each other and are anyway.

00:10:06.520 What's that?

00:10:08.600 That is as every bit as unnatural as the evil that we see.

00:10:13.500 It does not exist in nature.

00:10:14.980 It is outside of nature.

00:10:16.800 It is supernatural.

00:10:18.980 And that is moving among us too.

00:10:21.780 And I think it's worth celebrating that.

00:10:23.500 And if you look around this room,

00:10:25.440 the first thing you realize is,

00:10:28.820 all that stuff they told you about how you were crazy,

00:10:31.660 because you noticed.

00:10:32.540 It turns out you're not crazy.

00:10:36.220 Because there are thousands of people sitting right next to you who had exactly the same instincts.

00:10:42.340 And they came from very different places to arrive at the same destination,

00:10:48.800 which is a commitment to being honest with themselves and those around them.

00:10:53.980 That's all it is.

00:10:54.520 It's honesty.

00:10:55.480 It's not political.

00:10:56.260 It's not ideological.

00:10:57.820 It's being unwilling to lie.

00:11:00.120 And every person in this room, at one level or another,

00:11:02.740 at one time or another,

00:11:03.900 has arrived at the exact same conclusion,

00:11:05.960 which is, I'm just going to say what I think is true.

00:11:07.500 And it turns out it's not just you sitting alone in your rec room throwing beer cans at the TV,

00:11:15.700 feeling like a freak.

00:11:17.600 It's most people in this country.

00:11:21.880 And there's no greater blessing than knowing that.

00:11:25.160 So, on that note of totally non-political hope,

00:11:31.260 I want to introduce Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio,

00:11:35.480 running with Donald Trump.

00:11:37.700 So, you actually do drink Mountain Dew.

00:11:39.320 You're not joking.

00:11:41.180 Diet Mountain Dew.

00:11:42.100 Yeah.

00:11:42.540 Yeah, it's my favorite drink.

00:11:44.560 You need a lot of caffeine on the campaign trail.

00:11:48.280 Though it's interesting,

00:11:49.080 it's become a bit of a thing,

00:11:50.320 because I probably had, like, one Diet Mountain Dew a week

00:11:53.440 before I started running for vice president.

00:11:56.480 And then I, like, started talking about it.

00:11:58.160 And then people always brought me Diet Mountain Dews.

00:11:59.960 So, now I drink, like, three of them a week.

00:12:01.720 It's one of many ways in which my health has gotten much worse.

00:12:04.540 But I will say...

00:12:06.400 So, you're not endorsing it from a medical standpoint.

00:12:08.580 Is that what you're saying?

00:12:09.580 No.

00:12:10.000 No, not at all.

00:12:11.420 But I will say, Tucker,

00:12:12.780 it's awesome to be here.

00:12:14.360 Not just, like, because I've been looking forward to this.

00:12:16.300 But two hours ago,

00:12:18.540 I was thinking to myself,

00:12:20.040 I'm going to have to call Tucker and cancel.

00:12:21.920 Like, I'm not going to be able to come.

00:12:23.740 And the reason is because

00:12:26.280 we have our kids with us,

00:12:28.160 and I took my boys on the campaign trail.

00:12:29.860 We did a bunch of events all over Pennsylvania,

00:12:31.520 which is a great state,

00:12:32.340 and it's great to be here.

00:12:34.340 And we go to Hershey Park, right,

00:12:38.140 which is just across the street.

00:12:39.940 Hershey Park's great.

00:12:41.840 And my son says,

00:12:43.860 my seven-year-old says,

00:12:45.320 if I go on a roller coaster with you,

00:12:47.520 you have to go on this, like, spinny ride with me.

00:12:50.880 And so,

00:12:52.220 legitimately,

00:12:52.900 it's one of these things where

00:12:53.680 it's not just spinning around,

00:12:55.680 but then the thing that you're sitting in

00:12:56.920 is also spinning around.

00:12:57.980 So it's like spinning within spinning.

00:13:00.020 And legitimately,

00:13:01.500 three and a half seconds in,

00:13:02.940 I think to myself,

00:13:03.680 I'm going to throw up all over this ride.

00:13:06.700 And my,

00:13:08.800 you know,

00:13:09.160 it's like now that I'm a vice presidential candidate,

00:13:11.160 I'm much more,

00:13:12.000 you know,

00:13:12.280 people know who I am.

00:13:13.620 And so,

00:13:14.100 there are like 10 separate iPhones

00:13:16.040 that are tuned on me.

00:13:19.020 And all I can think to myself

00:13:21.080 is if I throw up in this thing,

00:13:23.340 it's going to be like one of those old sprinklers,

00:13:26.200 you know,

00:13:26.480 toot, toot, toot, toot, toot.

00:13:27.720 And I,

00:13:31.120 and I,

00:13:31.700 so I,

00:13:32.320 so I like white knuckle,

00:13:34.420 close my eyes.

00:13:35.740 My seven-year-old and my four-year-old are like,

00:13:37.340 Dad, what's going on?

00:13:38.020 I'm like,

00:13:38.280 I'm trying not to throw up boys.

00:13:39.600 Just,

00:13:40.300 you know,

00:13:40.660 leave Daddy be. 0.96

00:13:42.300 And then we get off the ride

00:13:43.820 and I am so nauseous.

00:13:46.080 I'm like,

00:13:46.660 I'm going to have to cancel tonight

00:13:48.020 because I'm going to go home to the hotel

00:13:49.460 and be sick. 0.91

00:13:50.260 I think you're looking at it wrong. 0.58

00:13:51.060 Puking on the Tilt-A-Whirl

00:13:52.100 is the most authentically American thing you could do. 0.96

00:13:55.640 No one would ever call you a phony again.

00:13:58.080 I booted on the Tilt-A-Whirl.

00:13:59.560 I mean,

00:13:59.860 honestly,

00:14:01.100 from Mountain Dew.

00:14:04.900 Yeah.

00:14:05.360 So anyway,

00:14:05.760 I'm feeling a lot better now

00:14:07.120 and it's great to be with you.

00:14:09.420 And how's,

00:14:10.400 how's it going?

00:14:11.460 Well,

00:14:11.940 you tell me you're running for national office.

00:14:15.660 I'm just,

00:14:16.380 I don't even know what I do for a living at this point.

00:14:18.820 But,

00:14:19.820 neither do I.

00:14:23.040 So where,

00:14:24.300 I mean,

00:14:25.100 it's always hard asking someone who's running for office,

00:14:26.960 like,

00:14:27.180 do you think you're going to win?

00:14:28.020 Where are we?

00:14:29.260 But I would say,

00:14:30.120 and you explained this so well

00:14:31.160 in a conversation we had recently,

00:14:32.500 the polls really are designed to deceive

00:14:34.280 many of the public polls.

00:14:35.460 Probably not all,

00:14:35.980 but many.

00:14:37.100 And the campaigns,

00:14:38.420 not just yours,

00:14:39.040 but the Democrat Party's campaign,

00:14:41.460 do have access to the most accurate polls.

00:14:44.820 So,

00:14:45.420 you know,

00:14:45.980 being as honest as you can be,

00:14:47.040 where are we?

00:14:48.920 Where we are is we're going to win.

00:14:50.140 And I feel 100% confident about that.

00:15:00.180 Look,

00:15:00.700 I,

00:15:01.220 if,

00:15:01.940 if you,

00:15:02.660 if you go back in time for years,

00:15:04.420 there was a poll in the run up to the 2020 election,

00:15:07.320 maybe the 2016 election,

00:15:08.300 actually,

00:15:08.680 that had Donald Trump losing Wisconsin by 17 points,

00:15:12.760 okay?

00:15:13.240 And of course,

00:15:13.900 in 2016,

00:15:14.640 he won with the state of Wisconsin.

00:15:16.640 And what you realize is,

00:15:18.740 the purpose of these polls is very often subversion.

00:15:22.680 Like,

00:15:22.880 they're trying to depress you,

00:15:24.980 so they put out a poll in Wisconsin that says,

00:15:27.620 Donald Trump is going to lose by 17 points,

00:15:29.700 even though that's an election he eventually went on to win.

00:15:32.520 And I think that there's a lot of that happening right now,

00:15:34.760 though,

00:15:35.020 I,

00:15:35.260 I will say,

00:15:36.820 even with the idea that the polls are fundamentally biased,

00:15:40.420 I mean,

00:15:40.840 you know,

00:15:41.140 we have internal polls that we pay a lot more money for,

00:15:43.560 because it's,

00:15:44.460 I mean,

00:15:44.800 this is a very nerdy point,

00:15:45.960 but you have to reach the right people to actually get an accurate poll.

00:15:50.260 And because most Trump supporters,

00:15:52.740 like,

00:15:52.960 if you called my family members and said,

00:15:55.540 hey,

00:15:55.900 I'm from such and such research,

00:15:57.440 are you going to vote for Donald Trump?

00:15:58.840 They would say F you and hang up the phone,

00:16:00.900 right?

00:16:01.960 So because of that,

00:16:04.900 it's very hard to pull actual Donald Trump supporters,

00:16:08.000 but you can,

00:16:09.720 if you're willing to actually go out and seek those people and do the right things.

00:16:14.240 And look,

00:16:14.740 the internal polls are great.

00:16:16.640 I think that we have to work our rear ends off over the next 45 days.

00:16:21.040 And,

00:16:21.380 you know,

00:16:21.600 there's the,

00:16:23.680 there's something really interesting about this election,

00:16:25.900 Tucker,

00:16:26.140 which is that if you sort of take the people who voted in 2020 versus the people

00:16:31.540 who voted for Biden in 2020,

00:16:33.360 the people who voted for Trump in 2020,

00:16:34.980 we're probably about even there.

00:16:36.480 Like I'd sort of give it a 50,

00:16:37.620 50 chance,

00:16:38.360 but there are a lot of marginal voters,

00:16:40.780 meaning people who don't always show up to the polls.

00:16:42.900 And if they show up,

00:16:44.580 they're like 70,

00:16:45.540 30 for Donald Trump.

00:16:46.840 So it's basically the name of the game is you can't get depressed and give up on your country.

00:16:53.780 You have to get out there and vote because if you do,

00:16:55.820 we're going to win.

00:16:56.400 So get out there and vote and we'll win.

00:16:59.300 And the,

00:17:02.160 so,

00:17:03.680 I mean,

00:17:04.180 look,

00:17:04.640 the,

00:17:04.780 the story,

00:17:05.920 the story of basically the last 30 years in my view is that our leadership has turned the American people into paupers in their own country,

00:17:16.020 right?

00:17:16.560 You're not going to own anything.

00:17:18.360 God,

00:17:18.640 you know,

00:17:18.840 no way you're going to own a house because the leadership has made it way too expensive to buy a house.

00:17:23.560 And plus interest rates are too high.

00:17:25.440 You're not going to have real public safety in your communities because we're going to import 25 million people. 1.00

00:17:30.700 We're going to overstress the legal system.

00:17:33.280 We're going to overstress the police system.

00:17:34.980 You're not actually going to have a decent job because we want to ship way too many middle-class jobs off to China, 1.00

00:17:41.580 off to Mexico.

00:17:42.840 And so the American people,

00:17:44.440 I think they're fed up with it.

00:17:45.900 They're saying, 0.99

00:17:46.460 we don't give a shit what you think about us. 0.99

00:17:48.120 We're going to vote for our own interests and we're going to vote to save our country. 0.98

00:17:52.000 But,

00:17:52.080 but the thing that is,

00:17:55.980 that is really meaningful and,

00:17:57.760 and,

00:17:57.900 and,

00:17:58.240 you know,

00:17:58.760 if,

00:17:58.980 if I worry about anything,

00:18:00.220 it's that we're going to get lazy and we're going to rest on our laurels and we're not going to get out there and actually pound the pavement and vote.

00:18:07.020 There are way too many people who know that the country is broken,

00:18:10.380 who know that Kamala Harris would make a terrible president, 1.00

00:18:13.180 but they have to actually get out there and do the thing that all of us have to do,

00:18:17.280 which is vote.

00:18:18.060 It's very simple.

00:18:18.700 We did an interview a couple of weeks ago with a woman called Casey Means.

00:18:23.420 She's a Stanford educated surgeon and really one of the most remarkable people I have ever met.

00:18:29.680 In the interview,

00:18:30.600 she explained how the food that we eat produced by huge food companies,

00:18:36.020 big food in conjunction with pharma is destroying our health,

00:18:40.640 making this a weak and sick country.

00:18:43.060 The levels of chronic disease are beyond belief.

00:18:47.140 What Casey Means,

00:18:47.980 who we've not stopped thinking about ever since,

00:18:51.240 is the co-founder of a healthcare technology company called Levels.

00:18:55.060 And we are proud to announce today that we are partnering with Levels.

00:18:58.520 And by proud,

00:18:59.140 I mean sincerely proud.

00:19:01.520 Levels is a really interesting company and a great product.

00:19:04.580 It gives you insight into what's going on inside your body,

00:19:07.800 your metabolic health.

00:19:09.240 It helps you understand how the food that you're eating,

00:19:11.760 the things that you're doing every single day are affecting your body in real time.

00:19:15.940 You put stuff in your mouth,

00:19:18.260 speaking for myself anyway,

00:19:19.980 and you don't think about it.

00:19:21.320 You have no idea what you're putting in your mouth and you have no idea what it's doing to your body.

00:19:24.300 But over time,

00:19:25.560 you feel weak and tired and spacey.

00:19:29.380 And over an even longer period of time,

00:19:30.840 you can get really sick.

00:19:31.700 So it's worth knowing what the food you eat is doing to you.

00:19:36.900 The Levels app works with something called the Continuous Glucose Monitor,

00:19:40.420 a CGM.

00:19:41.720 You can get one as part of the plan or you can bring your own.

00:19:44.000 It doesn't matter.

00:19:45.340 But the bottom line is,

00:19:46.720 big tech,

00:19:47.960 big pharma,

00:19:48.660 and big food combine together to form an incredibly malevolent force, 1.00

00:19:54.880 pumping you full of garbage, 0.94

00:19:56.320 unhealthy food with artificial sugars, 1.00

00:19:58.440 and hurting you and hurting the entire country.

00:20:00.900 So with Levels,

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00:20:52.080 So there's been this thing happening for the last, well, last eight years actually,

00:21:12.860 but it seems to have come to a head in the last several months where the realignment is now very obvious between the parties.

00:21:21.060 And you do see a bunch of pretty high-profile Democrats coming to your campaign to endorse your campaign,

00:21:28.800 and you see, honestly, some high-profile Republicans go over to Kamala Harris.

00:21:33.800 So just to put it in one sentence, you got Bobby Kennedy, and they got Dick Cheney and his horrible daughter.

00:21:39.320 A hell of a trade, by the way.

00:21:40.340 I'll take that trade every day and twice on Sunday.

00:21:44.500 And I didn't mean to, I can't remember names, I'm going to go with horrible daughter, but I think it's fair.

00:21:50.740 How would you describe that realignment?

00:21:52.620 Like, what is that?

00:21:54.240 Well, I think there are a couple things going on.

00:21:56.140 So first of all, if you spend any time in professional Washington, which I've spent a couple years there,

00:22:01.620 you realize that one of the things that gives a lot of people meaning is like playing a chess game with the lives of other people's children.

00:22:09.580 Right? 0.97

00:22:09.780 And, of course, if you think like that, you're kind of a sicko, and you shouldn't be anywhere near power. 0.56

00:22:14.980 But Washington is full of people who really like to go out and play strategic games with the lives of other people's children.

00:22:23.360 And there's probably nobody who better represents that, of course, than Liz and Dick Cheney,

00:22:30.540 who their entire politics for the past 30 years has been using American power to inflame tensions in the world,

00:22:38.660 to draw the United States deeper and deeper into foreign conflicts, which either shouldn't exist at all,

00:22:44.040 or certainly the United States shouldn't have any business in.

00:22:46.620 And I think that the... 0.94

00:22:48.860 But, and I think so, that's one thing that's going on, is if you don't think the United States should get involved in every stupid war in the world, 0.98

00:23:02.500 then you're a Republican. 0.99

00:23:04.140 And if you think the United States should send billions of dollars and tons of innocent Americans to die in some foreign country,

00:23:12.240 then you're going to be a Democrat.

00:23:13.480 And that's kind of crazy, right?

00:23:14.440 Because it was sort of exactly the opposite probably 40, 50 years ago.

00:23:17.980 But then there are two other big issues.

00:23:19.960 The three things that really matter.

00:23:21.380 One is foreign policy.

00:23:24.060 The, you know, our side, I think, is rational and restrained.

00:23:27.540 We don't want to fight every ridiculous war.

00:23:29.300 And we're, like, worried about getting involved in World War III, because we should be, because we have nuclear weapons now.

00:23:34.800 And you have to be cautious about that stuff.

00:23:37.420 The second big issue is, in my view, over immigration, right?

00:23:41.240 If you sort of look at the Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney view,

00:23:44.620 their basic argument is, let's flood the United States with millions upon millions of foreign laborers, 0.96

00:23:53.160 because that's good for business.

00:23:55.180 And there are those of us who are saying, well, is it actually good for social cohesion?

00:23:58.640 Isn't it good for workers?

00:23:59.880 Hell no.

00:24:00.480 So we're not going to accept that.

00:24:02.380 The third thing.

00:24:08.160 And the third thing that I think really divides the parties,

00:24:10.860 and it's, you know, it's like me, Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump,

00:24:14.740 we're sort of all on the same page on this, is,

00:24:16.840 do you think that the United States should ship its entire industrial base to foreign countries,

00:24:22.740 some of which hate us?

00:24:24.140 And if you think that's insane, like I do, then you're going to vote for Donald Trump.

00:24:27.620 And if you think it's a great idea to ship our industrial base overseas,

00:24:31.140 you're welcome in the party of Kamala Harris and Dick Cheney.

00:24:33.900 And that's basically it.

00:24:35.060 And those three issues, Tucker, have divided people.

00:24:39.600 I think I've divided the entire country, but actually only the leadership class.

00:24:45.020 Because I actually think that, like, 70% of Americans agree with our viewpoint on these issues.

00:24:50.540 I just think that the leadership of this country has gotten so deranged

00:24:54.660 that they convince themselves that there's a great American majority

00:24:58.600 for fighting a ton of wars, importing a ton of illegal aliens,

00:25:02.080 and shipping all the jobs overseas.

00:25:03.800 And I just don't think there is.

00:25:04.880 I would say it's higher than 70% consensus.

00:25:09.620 And you know that because the advocates of the positions you just described

00:25:13.460 will never admit that they're advocating for them.

00:25:15.880 No one will ever say, yeah, we just brought in tens of millions of illegal aliens.

00:25:20.560 They lie about the fact they did it.

00:25:22.340 So clearly there's no constituency for that.

00:25:24.720 No, that's exactly right.

00:25:25.640 And, you know, this has been a big issue with some of the microscope that's been put on communities

00:25:31.700 that have accepted a large number of Haitian migrants in the past couple of years.

00:25:35.740 So in Springfield, Ohio, about 20,000.

00:25:38.040 There's a community in Pennsylvania that I think has accepted about 2,500

00:25:41.300 in a town of about 4,000 people.

00:25:43.860 So there are people who say that this is fundamentally necessary

00:25:50.000 because unless you import all of these people, that there aren't going to be any jobs.

00:25:56.260 And I actually think that sort of gets it exactly upside down.

00:25:59.420 The reason why people left these communities is because our leadership

00:26:03.880 shipped all of their jobs to Mexico and China and other countries.

00:26:07.200 So if you want to fix the problem, bring economic prosperity back to our country.

00:26:11.460 Don't bring 2,500 or 25,000 foreign laborers into small-town America. 1.00

00:26:17.520 Amen.

00:26:18.460 But it also raises, I think, an even deeper philosophical question,

00:26:23.620 which is who are you serving?

00:26:26.220 Who's your loyalty to? 0.97

00:26:27.400 I don't care how screwed up and fentanyl-ridden and post-industrial your little town is. 0.88

00:26:33.160 The people who live there are American citizens and they own the government. 0.92

00:26:37.140 And so the people in charge have to care about them.

00:26:39.820 But they don't at all.

00:26:40.760 They care about their donors who think that their businesses will benefit

00:26:44.420 from importing an entirely new class of workers.

00:26:47.460 But, like, aren't our leaders required to care about the current occupants of those towns?

00:26:54.260 I would think so.

00:26:55.760 I would think so.

00:26:57.040 Well, here's one way I'd put it is, and I picked this up.

00:27:02.100 This is actually when we became friends initially, right?

00:27:04.480 Is we were at some, like, massive banker's conference, and I had just written Hillbilly Elegy.

00:27:09.720 I feel dirty thinking about it, yeah.

00:27:11.080 And I realized that, like, what I had done in Hillbilly Elegy was write a very personal story about my grandmother

00:27:19.340 and my mom and my sister, and there's sort of triumph and there's trial.

00:27:23.040 And, you know, my mom struggled with addiction, and then she got clean, and my grandmother raised me.

00:27:26.940 And it was very much a personal story.

00:27:29.120 And what I realized at that conference and at Others Like It is that a lot of our leaders liked the book

00:27:36.060 not because they really sort of sympathized with the story, but it gave them an opportunity.

00:27:41.680 You know, they'd pick one paragraph out and say,

00:27:43.840 oh, well, this thing shows that these middle American, you know, working class people are bad, 1.00

00:27:51.520 or they're racist, or they're not worth focusing our attention on,

00:27:55.060 or we shouldn't save their jobs.

00:27:56.160 They're like, whatever, they use as an excuse to ignore the citizens of their own country.

00:28:00.060 And I started to feel kind of dirty about participating in this way that our leaders used my book

00:28:07.740 to try to look down on their fellow citizens rather than maybe learn something about their fellow citizens

00:28:12.760 and recommit them to making their lives better.

00:28:15.980 And that fundamental breakdown you see in our politics, like, all the time, Tucker,

00:28:20.200 because, look, there is nothing that pisses off America's leadership class.

00:28:26.880 There's nothing that angers Kamala Harris more than when a working class person 1.00

00:28:32.100 in the heartland of this country complains about what a bad job she's doing. 1.00

00:28:36.580 And, you know, when you think about, you know, this charge that our leaders constantly make,

00:28:47.460 they'll say, well, you don't want 20,000 low-wage migrants showing up in your town. 0.99

00:28:51.340 You don't want to be evicted from your home to make way for four Haitian families 1.00

00:28:55.180 who, by the way, are violating zoning laws to live in this house. 0.99

00:28:58.500 You're a racist. 0.96

00:28:59.900 That's what they'll say. 1.00

00:29:01.440 Now, think about this.

00:29:02.560 What they're really doing is saying you are not allowed to speak up about our leadership screwing up.

00:29:09.720 And when you realize this is the game that they play, I mean, look, you and I agree with this.

00:29:14.980 I think we should genuinely endeavor to look at every human being as a child of God,

00:29:20.700 whether they're black, white, brown, or anything else.

00:29:22.700 I think that is an absolutely good principle.

00:29:26.020 But I think that when our leaders call working-class citizens

00:29:31.280 who have almost no power in America in 2024,

00:29:34.960 when they call them racist, it's not because they're trying to call them to some higher meaning.

00:29:40.040 They're not trying to convince them to be more compassionate to their fellow man.

00:29:44.180 They're trying to silence them and shut them up.

00:29:46.980 And when you realize that our leadership is willing to take the compassion,

00:29:51.280 like what's best in us, that we love our fellow man and we love our fellow Americans,

00:29:55.580 and use it as a weapon to silence people,

00:29:58.520 you realize that Kamala Harris and everybody like her,

00:30:01.660 it is a disgusting game that they play, and we have to reject it.

00:30:09.340 I couldn't agree more.

00:30:12.180 I mean, I just say, let me say it again, I think it's evil.

00:30:15.060 It's evil to leverage someone's decency against him.

00:30:18.560 It's the lowest possible thing you could do.

00:30:21.200 But I have to ask, and I don't know the answer to this question,

00:30:23.180 but you've spent time on both sides.

00:30:25.440 Growing up where you did, in Ohio, going to the Marine Corps,

00:30:29.520 and then going to Yale and all that.

00:30:33.060 Go, Ohio.

00:30:36.160 It's more than just getting people to shut up so they can loot the country,

00:30:39.860 which is clearly part of it.

00:30:41.180 But there's a loathing, there's a hatred there.

00:30:43.640 Oh, yes.

00:30:44.420 And I don't understand where that comes from.

00:30:46.560 Why would you hate people who live in communities

00:30:49.960 that your friends flooded with fentanyl?

00:30:53.720 Like, why would you be mad at them?

00:30:55.360 They're the ones whose life expectancy is going down.

00:30:58.200 What did they do wrong?

00:30:59.240 If there was ever a group of victims, it's rural Americans. 0.98

00:31:03.100 So why would you hate them?

00:31:04.480 That doesn't make sense to me, but they do.

00:31:06.300 Why?

00:31:07.460 So, I don't know that I have a perfect answer to this,

00:31:09.980 but I think that rural America and the problems of rural America

00:31:13.700 just show how much their entire worldview is broken.

00:31:18.200 And so it sort of reflects back at them their own failure

00:31:21.820 and their own lack of concern for their fellow citizens, right?

00:31:24.500 So it's like one thing to say,

00:31:27.460 well, we're going to ship all the jobs to China

00:31:29.760 and we'll get a bunch of cheap plastic toys in exchange.

00:31:33.420 Or, oh, we're going to invade Iraq and, you know, 0.86

00:31:36.260 yeah, it's going to be a total disaster 0.96

00:31:37.620 and we'll kill a lot of innocent people, 0.75

00:31:39.240 but we don't really have to think about it after the war is over. 0.98

00:31:42.220 Or, yeah, you know, we'll let 20,000 Haitians into this small town, 0.92

00:31:46.100 but, you know, the employers will be happy

00:31:48.500 because they'll get some cheap labor

00:31:49.760 and then we won't have to think about it.

00:31:51.400 But when the rural people or the small town people,

00:31:54.460 the working class people start complaining about it,

00:31:57.160 then you have to actually confront

00:31:59.020 whether these things that you have done

00:32:01.140 have actually made people's lives better.

00:32:03.680 And I think that you sort of, you know,

00:32:05.100 confronted with that, right?

00:32:06.300 So you and I have a mutual friend, I won't use his name,

00:32:09.060 where, you know, he was a huge advocate of the war in Iraq.

00:32:13.500 And by the way, I was 18 years old,

00:32:15.140 but I also was an advocate of the war in Iraq.

00:32:17.320 I, in fact, enlisted in the Marine Corps in April of 2003.

00:32:21.180 We invaded in March of 2003,

00:32:23.080 simplify to all the Marines out there.

00:32:24.820 But, so, I, but like, okay,

00:32:30.200 the war turned into a total disaster.

00:32:32.920 A lot of young Americans got killed.

00:32:34.400 A lot of innocent people got killed.

00:32:36.120 And I, like, that should cause a thinking person

00:32:38.840 to evaluate, well, what were the, like,

00:32:40.920 processes in my brain that led me to think

00:32:44.280 that this was a good idea?

00:32:45.360 And how can I change so that I don't get it wrong

00:32:47.880 the next time?

00:32:48.880 And I think we have a lot of friends

00:32:50.400 who got it wrong,

00:32:52.040 but they can't have that conversation with themselves

00:32:55.440 because it's, like, too morally challenging.

00:32:58.340 Like, they wouldn't be able to look themselves

00:32:59.660 in the mirror if they realized,

00:33:00.900 oh, I did this thing that led to tens of thousands,

00:33:04.400 hundreds of thousands of innocent people

00:33:06.300 losing their lives.

00:33:07.540 And so, you could either do that thing,

00:33:10.140 you could either reevaluate and say,

00:33:11.640 maybe I screwed up, maybe I was wrong,

00:33:13.760 maybe I should rethink how I understand the world.

00:33:15.700 Like, maybe Donald Trump isn't a threat to democracy,

00:33:17.980 maybe the person who's a threat to democracy

00:33:19.760 is Kamala Harris, who is running for president

00:33:22.260 without a single vote, but you can say to yourself,

00:33:33.440 oh, I screwed up, and I'm going to think about it better.

00:33:36.960 Or you can say the people who are complaining 0.69

00:33:39.920 are bad and evil people,

00:33:41.780 and the reason they're complaining 0.97

00:33:43.180 is not because I screwed up, 0.99

00:33:44.660 but because they are screwed up people. 0.98

00:33:46.800 And I think that's what, 0.97

00:33:47.900 I genuinely think that's what our leadership does.

00:33:50.420 And I, you know, there are people,

00:33:52.160 there are people who are legitimately friends of mine

00:33:54.380 who I think legitimately hate, hate

00:33:57.560 the community that I came from

00:33:59.660 because the community that I came from

00:34:01.340 refuses to say, oh yeah, we're really glad

00:34:03.560 that based on patriotic sentiment,

00:34:06.140 we volunteered at record levels

00:34:08.660 to enlist in the Marine Corps, the Army,

00:34:10.280 the Navy, and the Air Force, 1.00

00:34:11.620 and then you sent us off to a really stupid war. 0.98

00:34:14.440 Or we really love that you used to be able to go 0.99

00:34:17.640 and raise a family on a single middle-class

00:34:20.640 manufacturing income,

00:34:22.200 but now that's really hard to do

00:34:23.800 because of Kamala Harris's inflation crisis, 0.92

00:34:26.480 but also because you guys shipped all the jobs to China, right?

00:34:29.920 The people who refuse to say,

00:34:32.180 thank you for making my life miserable,

00:34:34.600 are, they represent an opposition

00:34:39.980 and a rebellion against our failed leadership class.

00:34:43.580 And if our leadership class was healthy,

00:34:45.360 they would say, oh, we must have screwed up.

00:34:47.300 But because they can't do that,

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00:36:15.680 I'm glad this is on tape

00:36:33.180 because this is not flattery.

00:36:34.900 I mean it.

00:36:35.160 I've been interviewing politicians

00:36:36.600 for over 30 years

00:36:37.580 and I can't remember ever hearing

00:36:39.880 an analysis that deep and true

00:36:41.280 from any of them.

00:36:42.780 And I'm also struck by the fact

00:36:44.260 that I know most of the Republicans

00:36:45.960 in the Senate,

00:36:47.360 maybe one or two exceptions,

00:36:48.640 I can't imagine any of them

00:36:50.000 saying 90% of what you just said

00:36:52.140 and yet you were on the ticket

00:36:53.420 with Donald Trump.

00:36:54.660 So that makes me think

00:36:55.880 that the Republican Party

00:36:57.680 is actually changing this time.

00:37:03.260 Do you think that's true?

00:37:07.920 I mean I,

00:37:08.780 so I absolutely do

00:37:10.960 and I think there's always

00:37:12.320 going to be this kind of effort

00:37:13.900 from the old guard establishment

00:37:15.800 to try to return us

00:37:16.920 to the old ways,

00:37:17.920 the old broken ways.

00:37:19.020 So it's not like a war

00:37:20.200 that's totally over

00:37:21.280 but I do think

00:37:22.180 that we're currently winning

00:37:23.040 and look,

00:37:23.580 I have to give

00:37:24.540 a ton of credit

00:37:25.860 to my running mate,

00:37:27.220 the guy at the top of the ticket,

00:37:28.240 Donald J. Trump

00:37:28.860 because

00:37:29.440 I

00:37:30.940 and you know this

00:37:38.000 and probably a lot of you

00:37:38.640 in the audience know this,

00:37:39.400 like I was a Trump critic

00:37:40.640 back in 2016

00:37:41.680 and it's funny

00:37:43.120 when all of these,

00:37:44.620 when Biden was still running

00:37:45.860 and all of these journalists

00:37:47.540 trying to like confuse

00:37:48.960 how obviously unfit Biden was

00:37:51.440 to serve in the Oval Office,

00:37:52.760 they'd be like,

00:37:53.260 well, Biden's really old

00:37:54.540 but you know,

00:37:55.720 Trump isn't a spring chicken

00:37:56.760 anymore either

00:37:57.420 and when people would say that

00:37:59.440 I'd be like,

00:38:00.220 guys,

00:38:01.060 Donald Trump remembers

00:38:02.280 a tweet that I sent

00:38:03.720 on September 3rd, 2015.

00:38:06.800 He remembers

00:38:07.360 the time

00:38:08.600 and he remembers

00:38:09.500 exactly what I said

00:38:11.300 to the word.

00:38:13.700 Like this guy's memory

00:38:14.920 is as sharp as a tack.

00:38:16.060 In fact,

00:38:16.340 I wish that it wasn't

00:38:17.140 because my life

00:38:17.600 would be a lot easier

00:38:18.400 but this is,

00:38:20.440 these are not

00:38:21.420 two 70 year old people

00:38:22.600 who are running

00:38:23.140 for president

00:38:23.660 who are in the same 0.99

00:38:24.400 mental condition.

00:38:25.020 One clearly has the energy

00:38:26.760 to do the job

00:38:27.460 and one clearly doesn't

00:38:28.500 and what,

00:38:29.920 what,

00:38:31.340 but,

00:38:34.040 I mean,

00:38:35.100 I've seen this now

00:38:36.480 having been in the belly

00:38:37.500 of the beast

00:38:37.940 for all of two years

00:38:39.100 but I really

00:38:40.720 wish that I had been

00:38:42.460 on board earlier

00:38:43.280 because what Trump

00:38:44.860 dealt with in 2016,

00:38:47.320 it cannot be overstated

00:38:49.060 and I'm talking about

00:38:50.460 like friends of yours,

00:38:53.260 friends,

00:38:53.680 people he had been

00:38:54.480 friends with

00:38:54.900 for 30 years

00:38:55.980 calling him

00:38:57.100 and attacking him

00:38:58.080 or going on

00:38:58.760 national television

00:38:59.680 and lying about him.

00:39:01.240 When you challenge

00:39:02.580 this ossified,

00:39:04.940 broken,

00:39:05.800 ruling class

00:39:06.600 in this country,

00:39:07.740 there is hell

00:39:08.400 to pay for it

00:39:09.140 and I've got just

00:39:10.040 a little bit

00:39:10.720 of a taste of it.

00:39:11.760 I think Donald Trump

00:39:12.460 has gotten a hundred

00:39:13.280 times worse than I have

00:39:14.360 and obviously,

00:39:15.020 you know,

00:39:15.220 he almost got

00:39:15.800 literally killed

00:39:16.960 just seven weeks ago

00:39:18.240 and then again

00:39:18.740 like three days ago

00:39:19.800 but Trump,

00:39:21.900 if he hadn't won

00:39:22.880 the primary

00:39:23.600 and if he hadn't

00:39:24.640 won the general

00:39:25.140 election,

00:39:25.920 the Republican Party

00:39:26.840 would be broken,

00:39:28.360 he fixed it

00:39:29.420 and actually created

00:39:30.340 an opportunity

00:39:30.900 for us to build

00:39:31.700 something that's

00:39:32.760 durable

00:39:33.420 and it can work

00:39:34.560 for the long haul.

00:39:35.260 And I think,

00:39:41.560 you know,

00:39:41.760 so I was just,

00:39:42.960 I think I was

00:39:43.600 his first endorser

00:39:44.640 in the United States Senate

00:39:45.660 and like all of my

00:39:46.320 political advisors

00:39:47.100 are like,

00:39:47.500 why are you doing this?

00:39:48.240 It's way too early

00:39:48.820 in the primary

00:39:49.320 and it's because

00:39:50.720 having not been

00:39:51.740 on board in 2016,

00:39:53.580 I realized

00:39:54.400 that the 2024 primary

00:39:56.080 would really be

00:39:57.720 this sort of

00:39:58.840 fundamentally,

00:39:59.740 no matter who

00:40:00.480 challenged him

00:40:01.320 and there were

00:40:01.560 a lot of good people

00:40:02.420 fundamentally

00:40:03.180 that challenged him,

00:40:04.320 it would ultimately

00:40:05.820 come down to

00:40:07.040 the old guard

00:40:08.420 versus the pro-worker,

00:40:10.720 pro-America party.

00:40:12.340 And I just knew

00:40:13.100 that's how the dividing

00:40:14.180 lines would ultimately

00:40:14.840 shake out

00:40:15.280 because the old guard,

00:40:17.340 because a lot of them

00:40:18.460 knew Donald Trump

00:40:19.240 in business,

00:40:19.880 because a lot of them

00:40:20.720 know that he knows

00:40:22.300 what they're up to,

00:40:23.760 they hate him

00:40:24.820 more than almost anybody

00:40:26.420 and they hate him

00:40:27.660 because he does

00:40:28.300 actually fight

00:40:29.040 for the American people

00:40:29.920 and he does actually

00:40:30.620 care about the citizens

00:40:31.980 of his own country.

00:40:32.860 And you can,

00:40:33.560 look,

00:40:34.300 one thing I'll say

00:40:37.360 about President Trump

00:40:38.300 that is genuinely unique

00:40:39.820 is, look,

00:40:41.540 he obviously is

00:40:42.820 incredibly successful

00:40:44.000 and incredibly wealthy,

00:40:44.980 like I'm never,

00:40:45.520 nobody's going to ever

00:40:46.300 pretend that Donald Trump

00:40:47.120 is a working class person,

00:40:48.840 at least now

00:40:49.820 in his life,

00:40:51.200 but Trump actually

00:40:53.280 really likes

00:40:54.720 the people that he leads.

00:40:56.880 And that includes,

00:40:57.720 by the way,

00:40:58.280 the people

00:41:03.200 who didn't vote for him,

00:41:04.540 he still really

00:41:05.420 likes those people.

00:41:06.600 And that is,

00:41:07.100 I think,

00:41:07.300 what is very different

00:41:08.440 about President Trump

00:41:09.440 versus, frankly,

00:41:10.460 most of America's leadership

00:41:11.840 is when the cameras

00:41:13.080 are off

00:41:13.620 and they don't think

00:41:14.940 anybody's listening,

00:41:16.140 they talk about

00:41:17.080 how much they think

00:41:18.260 their own citizens 1.00

00:41:19.200 are dumb 1.00

00:41:19.640 or, well, 1.00

00:41:20.580 yeah,

00:41:21.020 the public thinks this

00:41:22.160 because the public

00:41:22.860 doesn't understand economics.

00:41:24.360 Or, well,

00:41:25.100 if the public

00:41:25.660 was just smarter,

00:41:26.440 they would realize

00:41:27.240 how smart

00:41:29.140 are, you know,

00:41:29.960 Kamala Harris is

00:41:30.960 for wanting to, like,

00:41:32.080 destroy Social Security

00:41:33.120 and Medicare

00:41:33.500 for illegal immigration,

00:41:35.000 right?

00:41:35.300 They actually think

00:41:36.520 that their own people 1.00

00:41:37.480 are stupid 1.00

00:41:37.980 and they don't like them, 1.00

00:41:39.400 but Donald Trump

00:41:40.220 actually likes people

00:41:41.300 and I think it's one

00:41:41.980 of the secrets

00:41:42.680 to success

00:41:43.260 as a political candidate.

00:41:45.100 Watching him order

00:41:46.020 at McDonald's

00:41:46.800 is, like,

00:41:47.240 one of the most

00:41:47.740 amazing things ever.

00:41:48.940 It's hysterical.

00:41:49.780 It's impossible

00:41:50.640 to imagine

00:41:51.840 Carmela,

00:41:53.060 whatever she's calling

00:41:53.680 herself,

00:41:54.060 Harris,

00:41:54.780 like,

00:41:57.100 talk to the lady 0.99

00:41:58.060 behind the counter

00:41:58.860 about the differences

00:42:00.420 in quality

00:42:01.360 and weight

00:42:01.760 and price

00:42:02.200 between the quarter pounder

00:42:03.320 and the Big Mac

00:42:03.960 and he has such strong

00:42:05.280 feelings about it.

00:42:05.780 I mean,

00:42:05.900 he's really

00:42:06.400 thought about it a lot.

00:42:08.880 Well,

00:42:09.140 and again,

00:42:09.780 this goes to his

00:42:10.560 leadership style.

00:42:12.020 Donald Trump

00:42:12.360 actually really cares

00:42:13.660 of what people think.

00:42:15.460 So,

00:42:16.260 he has absolutely

00:42:18.100 thought to himself,

00:42:19.300 what is the better value

00:42:20.640 between the quarter pounder

00:42:21.720 and the Big Mac

00:42:22.360 and he wants,

00:42:24.520 he actually wants to know

00:42:26.220 what the people

00:42:27.060 who work there

00:42:27.800 think about this question.

00:42:29.040 And by the way,

00:42:29.440 like,

00:42:29.580 I have very strong views

00:42:30.460 about this.

00:42:31.100 Like,

00:42:31.300 obviously the quarter pounder

00:42:32.360 is a better deal.

00:42:33.780 Right?

00:42:34.700 That's absurd.

00:42:35.860 Without secret sauce,

00:42:36.880 it's not even worth

00:42:37.460 going there.

00:42:38.940 But whatever.

00:42:39.800 I mean,

00:42:40.000 you know,

00:42:40.380 honest people disagree.

00:42:41.540 Marlboro Winston,

00:42:42.320 I get it.

00:42:42.560 You've allowed yourself

00:42:43.320 to be manipulated

00:42:44.020 by the elites.

00:42:44.960 The secret sauce

00:42:45.840 is not the thing

00:42:47.320 that matters.

00:42:47.880 It's the amount of meat.

00:42:49.040 You get way more meat

00:42:50.120 with a quarter pounder.

00:42:51.980 And it's obviously,

00:42:53.000 again,

00:42:54.680 but look,

00:42:55.900 the,

00:42:56.180 the,

00:42:57.360 the point is,

00:42:58.420 okay,

00:42:58.720 so let me give you

00:42:59.240 an example of this.

00:42:59.960 So,

00:43:01.080 the Saturday morning

00:43:02.240 that President Trump

00:43:03.960 was shot,

00:43:04.560 I don't know if I've ever

00:43:05.100 talked about this publicly,

00:43:06.240 but,

00:43:06.820 um,

00:43:07.400 I was down in Mar-a-Lago

00:43:09.240 for the first time

00:43:10.980 talking about

00:43:11.760 becoming his

00:43:12.380 vice presidential nominee.

00:43:13.940 And it was kind of

00:43:14.580 this crazy thing

00:43:15.160 because all these

00:43:15.640 reporters would stick

00:43:16.480 microphones in my face

00:43:17.420 and say,

00:43:17.940 you know,

00:43:18.340 you're clearly

00:43:18.760 on the short list

00:43:19.520 and have you talked

00:43:20.480 to President Trump

00:43:21.040 about it?

00:43:21.600 And I'd say,

00:43:21.980 no,

00:43:22.180 I haven't.

00:43:22.840 In fact,

00:43:23.060 I don't even know

00:43:23.540 if I'm actually

00:43:24.100 on the short list

00:43:24.700 because I've never

00:43:25.480 spoken with him.

00:43:26.400 So the Saturday morning,

00:43:27.580 I'm in Mar-a-Lago,

00:43:29.340 we're talking about

00:43:30.340 the VP thing

00:43:31.260 and he,

00:43:33.060 you know,

00:43:33.920 he's like,

00:43:34.420 you know,

00:43:34.720 I like to talk

00:43:35.580 to everybody

00:43:36.040 about who should be

00:43:36.740 the VP.

00:43:37.380 Like,

00:43:37.700 you know,

00:43:37.800 I spent about 30 minutes

00:43:38.720 talking to the gardener

00:43:39.640 at Mar-a-Lago

00:43:40.160 about who I thought,

00:43:41.280 who he thought

00:43:41.600 should be the

00:43:41.960 vice presidential nominee.

00:43:43.420 And I'm sitting there,

00:43:45.200 you know,

00:43:45.540 sweating bullets like,

00:43:46.820 well,

00:43:47.100 sir,

00:43:47.780 what did the gardener

00:43:48.780 at Mar-a-Lago

00:43:49.260 have to say

00:43:50.020 about who should be

00:43:51.320 the VP?

00:43:52.160 Because this is a question

00:43:52.920 that actually really

00:43:53.600 impacts my life.

00:43:55.120 So,

00:43:56.200 do you know the gardener

00:43:57.200 or is it just random?

00:43:58.140 No,

00:43:58.420 just,

00:43:58.920 but again,

00:43:59.540 like he actually likes

00:44:00.560 to know what people

00:44:01.120 think about things.

00:44:01.840 That's one of his

00:44:02.660 secrets of success

00:44:03.960 as a political leader.

00:44:05.180 So anyway,

00:44:05.780 he goes to,

00:44:06.760 you know,

00:44:07.400 Pennsylvania.

00:44:07.780 He doesn't tell me

00:44:09.080 that it's me.

00:44:10.480 He says that it's probably

00:44:11.760 going to be you.

00:44:12.440 I'm like,

00:44:12.640 oh,

00:44:12.820 thanks.

00:44:13.200 That makes me feel great.

00:44:15.360 I'm totally going to sleep

00:44:16.440 great tonight

00:44:17.120 knowing it's probably

00:44:18.060 going to be me.

00:44:19.200 He flies to Bucks County,

00:44:20.780 Pennsylvania,

00:44:21.320 of course,

00:44:21.800 is nearly assassinated.

00:44:23.680 God bless you guys.

00:44:25.780 And he,

00:44:27.940 you know,

00:44:28.300 like,

00:44:28.520 then he makes the decision,

00:44:29.940 I think,

00:44:30.200 the next day

00:44:30.800 or maybe even Monday morning.

00:44:32.080 I don't know,

00:44:32.660 right?

00:44:32.860 I don't know when he actually

00:44:33.740 finally made the decision.

00:44:35.320 Probably was just Monday morning

00:44:36.660 now that I think about it.

00:44:38.060 You probably know better

00:44:38.800 than I do.

00:44:39.600 Anyway,

00:44:40.540 the point is,

00:44:43.120 he,

00:44:44.100 again,

00:44:44.840 I actually think

00:44:45.980 that if you care

00:44:47.080 about the people

00:44:48.320 that you represent

00:44:49.260 and the people

00:44:49.840 that you lead,

00:44:50.700 you should want to know

00:44:51.520 what they think

00:44:51.960 about an issue.

00:44:53.040 And whatever disagreements

00:44:54.520 you might have

00:44:55.260 with President Trump,

00:44:56.040 he genuinely cares

00:44:57.500 about what people

00:44:58.200 think about an issue.

00:44:59.560 And it's why

00:45:00.360 I think he's better

00:45:01.200 plugged into what

00:45:02.120 the electorate thinks

00:45:02.800 than most political candidates.

00:45:04.000 I think that's right.

00:45:05.000 The switch up,

00:45:10.460 the disappearance

00:45:11.640 of the President

00:45:12.340 of the United States,

00:45:12.880 Biden is still

00:45:13.480 President,

00:45:13.880 technically,

00:45:14.300 correct?

00:45:14.780 I don't know.

00:45:15.560 I don't either.

00:45:16.280 I really don't know.

00:45:17.420 I don't know what happened to him.

00:45:18.580 He was pretty famous

00:45:19.420 at one point

00:45:19.940 and then he's just gone.

00:45:21.300 I saw some clip

00:45:23.000 on social media

00:45:23.760 that Jill Biden

00:45:24.760 was running a cabinet meeting.

00:45:26.540 Was that real?

00:45:27.660 Or was that...

00:45:27.900 For sure.

00:45:28.660 She's a doctor, JD.

00:45:30.340 Settle down.

00:45:32.000 She's got this.

00:45:33.280 Okay?

00:45:33.660 And anyone who hasn't read

00:45:34.720 her dissertation

00:45:35.840 on community colleges

00:45:37.200 in the state of Delaware

00:45:38.500 really should see

00:45:39.220 where the doctorate comes from.

00:45:40.420 She literally is a part of it

00:45:41.340 where she's breaking 0.95

00:45:42.040 down the proportion

00:45:42.620 by ethnicity of students

00:45:43.920 and she's like,

00:45:44.700 it's about 40% Caucasian,

00:45:46.960 about 37% African American,

00:45:49.120 and it's another 39% Hispanic

00:45:51.420 and then another 22% Asian.

00:45:53.780 And I'm like,

00:45:54.140 I'm not good at math, but...

00:45:55.200 Wait a second.

00:45:56.300 No, I'm...

00:45:57.040 You should read

00:45:58.040 Dr. Jill's dissertation.

00:46:00.760 It's unbelievable.

00:46:02.340 Anyway, she's running 0.91

00:46:02.920 the government

00:46:03.280 just so you know.

00:46:03.960 I don't think that adds up

00:46:04.740 to 100.

00:46:05.480 I'm a genius.

00:46:05.880 No, it does.

00:46:06.440 Like 147, actually.

00:46:08.000 But whatever.

00:46:08.560 She's a doctor.

00:46:09.480 But here's my question.

00:46:10.940 And I don't mean

00:46:11.640 to finger the media

00:46:12.640 in this.

00:46:15.820 Sorry.

00:46:16.400 I'm sorry.

00:46:17.200 I spent my life

00:46:17.760 in a newsroom.

00:46:18.340 It's vulgar, I know.

00:46:19.120 Like, Kamala Harris

00:46:22.000 went from being, 0.90

00:46:24.020 like, regarded as a buffoon

00:46:25.560 by everybody, 0.95

00:46:26.360 including, you know,

00:46:27.280 every Democrat I know.

00:46:28.640 You're constantly reading

00:46:29.600 about, you know,

00:46:30.820 only Montel Williams

00:46:31.800 likes her or whatever.

00:46:33.120 Everyone made fun of her.

00:46:35.340 And then, like,

00:46:36.180 within 24 hours,

00:46:38.220 she's this historic statesman.

00:46:41.140 How was the media

00:46:42.080 able to pull that off,

00:46:43.200 honestly?

00:46:44.860 Yeah, with, I mean,

00:46:46.100 a lot of shamelessness.

00:46:48.880 I mean, I, you know,

00:46:49.740 one of the things

00:46:50.800 that we say

00:46:52.140 on the campaign trail,

00:46:53.140 because it's true,

00:46:54.320 is that, you know,

00:46:55.060 we do a lot of interviews.

00:46:56.000 Like, me and President Trump

00:46:56.760 do a ton of interviews

00:46:57.680 with hostile media,

00:46:58.640 with friendly media,

00:46:59.340 with everybody in the middle,

00:47:00.620 and Kamala Harris doesn't. 0.98

00:47:02.180 Now, part of the argument

00:47:03.060 that we're trying to make

00:47:03.800 is, to the American people,

00:47:05.660 you shouldn't trust

00:47:06.740 a person who's so terrified

00:47:08.420 of the media

00:47:09.320 that she runs away from them.

00:47:11.180 Like, you can't trust

00:47:12.320 that person

00:47:12.820 in a private meeting

00:47:14.120 with Xi Jinping.

00:47:18.260 But part of what

00:47:19.980 we've been trying to do, too,

00:47:21.520 is actually shame

00:47:22.900 the American media,

00:47:24.500 which is totally,

00:47:26.180 like, it's total

00:47:27.060 historical revisionism

00:47:28.480 right before our eyes.

00:47:30.860 I mean, my wife even,

00:47:32.780 who's a totally

00:47:33.400 apolitical person,

00:47:34.620 but right after they did

00:47:35.680 the Kamala switcheroo,

00:47:37.420 she sent me, like,

00:47:38.240 a bunch of clips

00:47:39.120 of different people

00:47:40.720 and how they spoke

00:47:41.640 about Kamala Harris

00:47:42.540 like three months ago

00:47:44.080 and how they speak

00:47:45.180 about Kamala Harris today.

00:47:46.660 And it's totally flipped.

00:47:48.560 And we've been trying

00:47:49.480 to shame the American media

00:47:50.960 into looking themselves

00:47:52.140 in the mirror

00:47:52.660 and asking her

00:47:53.580 some tough questions

00:47:54.340 and actually reporting

00:47:55.020 on her record.

00:47:55.640 And you know what

00:47:56.060 we've learned, Tucker?

00:47:56.940 The American media

00:47:57.860 has no shame.

00:48:00.500 So, like, they're here. 0.98

00:48:02.800 I can feel their filthy presence. 0.59

00:48:05.080 I can see some of their... 0.90

00:48:05.700 I can feel it.

00:48:06.860 You run into them

00:48:07.760 on the road.

00:48:08.740 What do they say?

00:48:10.540 Well, they'll say in private,

00:48:12.540 almost all of them

00:48:13.360 will say, 0.97

00:48:13.700 yeah, it's really ridiculous. 0.92

00:48:14.860 Or in public, 0.94

00:48:15.960 they'll say,

00:48:16.780 well, you know,

00:48:17.500 we hope that she'll

00:48:18.160 give us an interview.

00:48:19.360 And it's like, well,

00:48:20.120 but the Democratic process

00:48:22.260 requires that she gives you

00:48:23.580 an interview

00:48:24.080 before people start voting.

00:48:25.840 Like, your job,

00:48:26.860 if you have any job,

00:48:28.020 and by the way,

00:48:28.460 to the reporters out there,

00:48:29.200 I know some of you

00:48:29.880 are out there,

00:48:30.740 like, your job

00:48:31.580 is to not repeat

00:48:33.140 Kamala Harris' propaganda

00:48:34.520 without at least getting

00:48:36.080 a chance to ask her

00:48:37.100 a question about it.

00:48:38.500 And that's what...

00:48:39.680 Well, but it's really simple.

00:48:43.640 I've been in the media

00:48:44.460 my whole life.

00:48:45.300 I know how it works.

00:48:46.300 If you want a politician

00:48:47.760 to do something,

00:48:49.300 you attack that politician

00:48:50.940 until the politician

00:48:51.880 does what you want.

00:48:52.860 Yeah.

00:48:53.340 And so they could make

00:48:54.420 Kamala Harris

00:48:55.540 give interviews

00:48:56.940 to everybody

00:48:58.180 from TMZ

00:48:59.460 to the Washington Post

00:49:00.180 editorial page

00:49:00.800 just by attacking her

00:49:02.000 every day,

00:49:02.380 but they won't.

00:49:03.180 Why?

00:49:04.480 Well, because,

00:49:05.500 unfortunately,

00:49:07.160 most of the American media,

00:49:08.560 we need to be honest

00:49:09.240 about this,

00:49:09.760 most of the American media

00:49:10.940 is, in fact,

00:49:12.440 part of the very corrupt system

00:49:14.220 that they pretend

00:49:14.720 to report on.

00:49:15.400 Right?

00:49:15.520 That's the answer.

00:49:18.060 So,

00:49:18.880 okay.

00:49:22.040 So, if you're,

00:49:23.240 I mean,

00:49:23.480 first of all,

00:49:24.140 the news media business

00:49:25.660 has been totally decimated

00:49:26.940 by big tech,

00:49:27.720 by the way.

00:49:28.440 Like, the reason why

00:49:29.240 we don't really have

00:49:30.160 local papers anymore

00:49:31.180 is in a 20-year period,

00:49:33.340 all of the advertising revenue

00:49:34.840 that used to go,

00:49:35.600 like, classified ads

00:49:36.780 in local papers

00:49:37.780 now goes through

00:49:38.880 Google, Facebook,

00:49:40.500 so forth.

00:49:41.120 So, if you're a journalist,

00:49:43.660 there's a very good chance

00:49:44.780 that your paycheck

00:49:45.540 fundamentally depends

00:49:46.600 on the people

00:49:47.180 who are getting rich

00:49:48.260 off of the system.

00:49:49.280 Now, that doesn't mean,

00:49:50.500 by the way,

00:49:50.960 and I know a lot of them

00:49:51.800 and I actually like them

00:49:52.680 personally.

00:49:53.240 It's one of my many faults

00:49:54.200 is I like journalists

00:49:54.980 personally.

00:49:55.960 But the thing

00:49:57.200 that they will say

00:49:58.220 is they really believe

00:50:00.320 the things

00:50:00.740 that they're reporting

00:50:01.320 and they really believe

00:50:02.140 that what they're saying

00:50:02.900 and what they're doing

00:50:03.600 is the truth

00:50:04.620 and they're right about that,

00:50:05.960 by the way.

00:50:06.260 I don't think that

00:50:06.960 most of them are liars.

00:50:08.380 I think most of them 1.00

00:50:09.060 are just deluded.

00:50:09.960 No offense, guys.

00:50:11.280 But,

00:50:11.980 if they weren't deluded

00:50:13.580 and if there was somebody

00:50:15.060 who was actually

00:50:15.820 really asking,

00:50:17.120 well,

00:50:17.380 why are we spending

00:50:18.540 so much time

00:50:20.220 attacking Donald Trump

00:50:21.620 because he dared

00:50:22.340 to bring up

00:50:22.920 the Haitian migrant problem

00:50:24.800 in Springfield

00:50:25.600 and instead,

00:50:27.800 why are we spending

00:50:29.040 so much time

00:50:29.640 attacking him

00:50:30.580 instead of,

00:50:31.700 I don't know,

00:50:32.400 investigating any

00:50:33.760 of the numerous issues

00:50:35.040 that Kamala Harris

00:50:35.800 has flip-flopped on

00:50:36.760 in just the last three years?

00:50:38.120 If there was a reporter

00:50:39.480 who wanted to do that,

00:50:40.900 they would not last long

00:50:42.200 in those media organizations.

00:50:43.740 So there's a basic

00:50:44.820 selection bias.

00:50:45.960 If you're a person

00:50:47.220 who can honestly look

00:50:48.660 at American society

00:50:49.500 and say,

00:50:49.840 oh, wait a second,

00:50:51.020 American life expectancy

00:50:52.260 is declining,

00:50:53.920 right?

00:50:54.240 The only industrialized country

00:50:56.000 in the world

00:50:56.360 where that's true.

00:50:57.640 We continue to be

00:50:59.000 more and more reliant

00:51:00.000 on some of our biggest

00:51:01.200 international adversaries

00:51:02.440 to make the things

00:51:03.100 that we need.

00:51:03.580 Oh, and we're sleepwalking

00:51:05.380 into a multi-continent,

00:51:07.280 in other words,

00:51:07.820 a world war

00:51:08.740 with a president

00:51:10.220 who clearly doesn't even know 0.92

00:51:11.800 who the hell

00:51:12.320 or where the hell he is. 0.88

00:51:13.740 Like, maybe

00:51:14.480 the honest thing

00:51:15.960 would be to really

00:51:16.960 aggressively interrogate

00:51:18.760 how we got here.

00:51:19.940 But no, no, no, no, no.

00:51:21.100 No, no, no.

00:51:21.440 What the journalists

00:51:22.320 have instead decided to do

00:51:24.100 is they're going to focus

00:51:26.360 on, like,

00:51:27.500 a sex scandal

00:51:28.380 from two days ago

00:51:30.080 from, like,

00:51:31.300 that involves

00:51:31.860 some random journalist

00:51:32.880 who I don't know

00:51:33.560 even know

00:51:33.880 and have never even met.

00:51:34.980 Right?

00:51:35.260 There's, like,

00:51:35.660 this weird sex scandal

00:51:36.780 story going on right now

00:51:37.660 that the media

00:51:38.140 is obsessed with.

00:51:39.440 I don't think

00:51:40.120 there was any actual sex

00:51:41.060 in the sex scandal.

00:51:41.920 That's how I'm sure it is.

00:51:42.660 I think that's right.

00:51:44.120 But the media

00:51:46.560 is more focused on that

00:51:48.100 than they are on the fact

00:51:49.180 that we are sleepwalking

00:51:50.520 into World War III

00:51:51.520 with Joe Biden

00:51:52.840 as the president

00:51:53.840 of the United States.

00:51:54.560 And the reason

00:51:55.080 why we have Joe Biden

00:51:56.240 is because Kamala Harris

00:51:57.900 lied about his mental

00:51:59.340 fitness for office.

00:52:00.600 Like, if you actually

00:52:01.620 care about the truth,

00:52:02.900 ask those questions

00:52:04.540 and leave the salacious 1.00

00:52:05.880 bullshit to the tabloids. 1.00

00:52:07.780 But they can't do that. 1.00

00:52:10.060 And if they did, Tucker,

00:52:11.340 again,

00:52:12.800 if they did,

00:52:14.580 a lot of them

00:52:15.520 would lose their jobs.

00:52:17.020 And so it selects

00:52:18.640 for people

00:52:19.220 who are very trusting

00:52:20.540 of the system

00:52:21.580 and not for people

00:52:22.680 who actually want to

00:52:23.220 ask questions

00:52:23.800 of that system.

00:52:24.900 The most interesting

00:52:25.760 and newsworthy

00:52:26.780 television show

00:52:27.700 of the year

00:52:28.440 is coming here

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00:52:49.000 on the campaign

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00:53:09.020 Township, Pennsylvania

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00:53:12.420 the curtain completely.

00:53:13.600 They are embedded

00:53:14.300 inside the campaign.

00:53:16.160 I can't wait

00:53:16.540 to see it personally.

00:53:17.980 But to get it first,

00:53:18.720 go to TuckerCarlson.com,

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00:53:29.540 It's just wild

00:53:48.140 that one of the things

00:53:49.180 that they've been able

00:53:49.820 to ignore completely

00:53:50.980 is the number

00:53:52.080 of politically motivated

00:53:53.180 prosecutions

00:53:54.060 over the last four years.

00:53:55.180 I think the congressman

00:53:55.840 from this district,

00:53:56.640 actually, Scott Perry,

00:53:57.540 got a hassle by the FBI.

00:53:58.700 I think I may be missing this.

00:54:00.380 And I think Scott Perry's

00:54:01.460 here, by the way.

00:54:02.080 Great congressman, Scott.

00:54:03.000 Oh, he is? He's a great guy.

00:54:03.480 Scott, if you're out there.

00:54:04.640 Hello?

00:54:05.300 Hassle by the FBI

00:54:06.000 for asking,

00:54:06.660 this is my read,

00:54:07.600 not his,

00:54:08.100 but asking questions

00:54:09.360 about the last election.

00:54:10.280 That's not a criminal offense.

00:54:11.680 I know a bunch of people

00:54:12.380 who are in jail right now,

00:54:13.240 right now,

00:54:14.480 for political reasons

00:54:15.300 in our country

00:54:16.020 that's never really reported on.

00:54:18.440 It's bizarre.

00:54:20.020 And I guess the question is,

00:54:22.040 if you guys lose,

00:54:24.120 like,

00:54:24.540 what would stop that

00:54:25.880 from just becoming

00:54:26.840 universal?

00:54:28.700 Yeah.

00:54:30.000 Well,

00:54:30.660 I don't know

00:54:32.240 that anything would

00:54:33.060 because the animating bias

00:54:36.160 or the animating motivation,

00:54:37.660 I should say,

00:54:38.820 of Kamala Harris's

00:54:40.820 Democratic Party

00:54:41.600 is censorship.

00:54:43.420 Because without censorship,

00:54:44.880 you can't get all

00:54:45.660 of the other things

00:54:46.220 that they want.

00:54:46.700 Like,

00:54:46.800 you can't get 0.94

00:54:47.460 the ridiculous foreign policy 0.98

00:54:49.120 or the ridiculous trade policy, 0.98

00:54:51.000 the wide open borders

00:54:51.920 without censorship.

00:54:53.360 And so,

00:54:53.780 if you look,

00:54:54.660 and this is,

00:54:55.180 by the way,

00:54:55.620 I think this is actually

00:54:56.560 the fundamental difference

00:54:57.620 between the overheated

00:54:59.420 political rhetoric

00:55:00.200 on the left

00:55:00.900 and on the right.

00:55:01.940 And I hate,

00:55:02.520 by the way,

00:55:02.800 when people both sides

00:55:03.900 of this issue,

00:55:04.440 they're like,

00:55:04.760 well,

00:55:05.020 we all need to tone down

00:55:05.920 the rhetoric.

00:55:06.680 Well,

00:55:07.120 look,

00:55:07.400 by the way,

00:55:07.920 I try to be a very humble person.

00:55:10.100 I agree,

00:55:10.700 we can all tone down

00:55:11.500 the rhetoric.

00:55:11.980 None of us is perfect,

00:55:13.000 including me.

00:55:14.280 But when Donald Trump

00:55:15.440 has taken two assassination attempts

00:55:17.120 in the last seven weeks,

00:55:18.220 it's not both sides

00:55:19.480 that need to tone down

00:55:20.140 the rhetoric.

00:55:20.760 It's one side in particular.

00:55:23.080 And you have to ask.

00:55:30.340 But if you look at

00:55:33.120 what is the animating focus

00:55:34.840 of the political prosecutions,

00:55:37.400 of the big tech censorship

00:55:38.620 in 2020

00:55:39.540 and all the censorship

00:55:40.840 around COVID,

00:55:42.080 of the fact that

00:55:42.860 the European Union,

00:55:44.440 which basically wouldn't exist

00:55:45.940 without American taxpayer protection.

00:55:48.100 I mean,

00:55:48.280 Europe,

00:55:49.780 like,

00:55:50.420 only two countries in Europe

00:55:51.500 even have real militaries

00:55:52.560 at this point,

00:55:53.380 right?

00:55:53.880 NATO is at this point

00:55:54.980 a welfare client

00:55:56.040 of the United States of America.

00:55:57.980 So Europe is going after

00:55:59.880 Elon Musk

00:56:01.160 for free speech

00:56:02.660 and threatening to imprison him

00:56:04.700 for platforming who?

00:56:06.760 Donald Trump,

00:56:07.820 who is the likely next president

00:56:09.260 of the United States.

00:56:10.560 You go down the list,

00:56:11.760 the animating bias

00:56:13.460 is censorship.

00:56:15.060 And if you think about it,

00:56:16.200 what is the ultimate way?

00:56:18.120 If you've tried to

00:56:19.060 bankrupt a person,

00:56:20.140 you've tried to jail a person,

00:56:21.500 you've tried to,

00:56:22.320 you know,

00:56:22.820 throw a person in prison, 0.90

00:56:24.480 you've tried to kick them

00:56:25.620 out of office,

00:56:26.760 you've impeached them twice,

00:56:27.840 what is the ultimate way

00:56:29.340 to censor a human being?

00:56:31.380 Taking their life.

00:56:32.840 And I think this is really

00:56:33.980 the difference between

00:56:35.060 political rhetoric

00:56:36.240 on the left and the right,

00:56:37.120 which again,

00:56:37.620 we don't always get it right

00:56:38.800 on my side of the aisle,

00:56:39.840 but we're never saying

00:56:41.780 we want to censor

00:56:43.000 the other side.

00:56:43.880 We in fact want to

00:56:45.020 have the debate.

00:56:45.540 We're telling Kamala Harris

00:56:46.560 you should do more interviews,

00:56:48.280 not less.

00:56:49.100 You should get out there more

00:56:50.220 because we get about

00:56:50.820 100,000 votes every time

00:56:51.960 you open your mouth.

00:56:52.560 But all kidding aside,

00:57:05.280 we are not trying

00:57:07.280 to censor the left.

00:57:08.860 The left is trying

00:57:10.020 to censor not just the right,

00:57:11.620 but the entire country,

00:57:13.120 which goes to show

00:57:14.360 they are a threat

00:57:16.220 to democracy.

00:57:17.540 They cannot be rewarded

00:57:18.740 with more political power.

00:57:20.400 They have to be penalized.

00:57:21.440 It's like when a kid,

00:57:23.520 you know,

00:57:23.740 as I've learned

00:57:24.240 as a young father,

00:57:25.600 when a kid screws up

00:57:26.700 and you just let them,

00:57:28.140 you reward them for it,

00:57:29.460 they actually do it more

00:57:30.700 and they do it worse.

00:57:32.140 The only way

00:57:33.200 to reward Kamala Harris

00:57:35.000 is by making her president 0.94

00:57:36.260 and the only way

00:57:37.180 to punish her

00:57:37.880 and say,

00:57:38.280 look,

00:57:38.740 we don't accept censorship

00:57:40.240 of our fellow citizens

00:57:41.360 is to fire her

00:57:42.620 and send her back 1.00

00:57:43.240 to San Francisco.

00:57:44.080 That's where she belongs.

00:57:44.840 So given that,

00:57:50.320 I mean,

00:57:52.300 every news outlet

00:57:53.080 I've ever worked at,

00:57:53.980 which is a lot of them,

00:57:54.920 they're all controlled,

00:57:55.960 obviously,

00:57:56.680 and given that,

00:57:58.680 you know,

00:57:58.900 the biggest tech platforms

00:57:59.980 would be Google

00:58:00.800 and YouTube,

00:58:01.700 same company,

00:58:02.400 openly practice censorship,

00:58:04.260 all kinds of things

00:58:04.660 you can't talk about.

00:58:05.600 They'll take you off,

00:58:06.180 demonetize you.

00:58:07.520 Really,

00:58:07.880 we're talking about X,

00:58:08.860 actually.

00:58:09.780 We're talking about X 0.85

00:58:10.300 is the place

00:58:10.800 where free speech lives.

00:58:11.800 And if you were

00:58:14.220 to take that out,

00:58:16.280 darkness would descend.

00:58:17.980 That's just a fact.

00:58:19.340 And if you want

00:58:19.820 to know the totalitarian

00:58:20.620 impulses of your ruling class,

00:58:22.140 read the Atlantic magazine

00:58:23.100 where they announce

00:58:24.060 all of it ahead of time.

00:58:25.860 And they're telling you now

00:58:27.060 that we need to shut down

00:58:28.240 Elon Musk's X

00:58:29.520 because there's just

00:58:30.300 way too much free speech.

00:58:32.020 And I wonder how seriously

00:58:33.080 you take those threats.

00:58:34.780 Well,

00:58:34.900 I take them very seriously.

00:58:35.860 I mean,

00:58:36.000 look,

00:58:36.240 if we've learned anything

00:58:36.960 over the last four years

00:58:37.900 is when these people say

00:58:38.800 they want to do something,

00:58:39.680 they actually mean it.

00:58:40.600 And they intend to do it.

00:58:41.800 We actually had to

00:58:43.140 take them seriously.

00:58:43.860 I mean,

00:58:44.160 when Kamala Harris ran

00:58:45.640 saying that we want

00:58:46.900 to suspend deportations,

00:58:48.900 re-implement catch and release,

00:58:50.200 which is basically

00:58:50.780 just mass asylum fraud,

00:58:52.520 and stop Donald Trump's

00:58:53.680 remain in Mexico policy,

00:58:55.440 even though I didn't vote for her,

00:58:56.820 I voted for Donald Trump,

00:58:57.680 I thought,

00:58:58.040 well,

00:58:58.140 this is crazy.

00:58:58.900 They're not actually

00:58:59.400 going to do this.

00:59:00.080 And then they did.

00:59:01.400 So when they say

00:59:02.620 that they want to use

00:59:03.760 the force of law

00:59:04.860 to silence

00:59:05.900 or even imprison

00:59:07.200 Elon Musk

00:59:08.040 for daring to host

00:59:09.400 a free speech platform,

00:59:11.080 we have to listen to them.

00:59:13.080 And that is the one thing.

00:59:14.560 The most awesome power

00:59:16.320 in the physical world today

00:59:18.800 is the United States government.

00:59:20.700 Millions of people,

00:59:22.300 the world's largest

00:59:23.200 and most powerful military.

00:59:24.820 If we give that over

00:59:26.020 to people who are saying,

00:59:27.620 not only do we disagree

00:59:28.560 with Donald Trump,

00:59:29.540 not only do we disagree

00:59:30.500 with Donald Trump's supporters,

00:59:32.100 but we want to prevent them

00:59:33.260 from participating

00:59:33.940 in the American democratic system, 1.00

00:59:36.320 that is some scary shit 0.99

00:59:38.600 and we need to reject it. 0.99

00:59:39.780 And that's exactly

00:59:40.440 what I think,

00:59:41.220 by the way,

00:59:41.820 with your help,

00:59:42.720 we're going to do.

00:59:44.180 So thank you for doing this.

00:59:46.240 This has been

00:59:46.800 a really interesting

00:59:49.040 and amazing conversation.

00:59:50.180 So last question for you.

00:59:51.480 So I think

00:59:51.980 if I'm reading this correctly,

00:59:53.540 that Donald Trump

00:59:54.080 has announced

00:59:54.640 that he will

00:59:55.860 not allow

00:59:57.480 states and municipalities

00:59:58.580 going forward

00:59:59.720 if elected in November

01:00:00.840 to continue being

01:00:01.720 so-called sanctuary cities.

01:00:03.160 which means

01:00:04.900 places

01:00:07.680 or entire states

01:00:09.340 in these 50 United States

01:00:11.100 that openly ignore

01:00:12.580 federal immigration law,

01:00:14.440 which must be federal

01:00:15.060 because it applies

01:00:15.500 to all of us

01:00:16.620 and its effects

01:00:17.520 are national.

01:00:18.420 Someone comes into one state 0.96

01:00:19.220 and go to your state.

01:00:21.080 And I'm just thinking,

01:00:22.500 reading this like,

01:00:23.320 this has been going on

01:00:24.060 for decades.

01:00:25.980 Any state or city

01:00:27.600 that has a sanctuary city law

01:00:29.600 is an open rebellion

01:00:30.920 in the way that

01:00:31.600 Fort Sumter

01:00:32.160 was an open rebellion

01:00:33.080 against the government

01:00:34.200 of the United States.

01:00:35.700 Why have we allowed

01:00:36.760 this to go on

01:00:37.440 for decades?

01:00:38.260 I don't understand.

01:00:40.100 Well,

01:00:40.880 the answer is

01:00:41.620 we've allowed it to go on

01:00:42.620 because the federal government

01:00:43.580 still funds

01:00:44.380 all of these cities.

01:00:45.580 The sanctuary city stuff

01:00:47.360 is very expensive

01:00:48.660 because when you invite

01:00:50.280 millions of illegal aliens

01:00:51.460 into your country

01:00:52.660 and then certain cities

01:00:54.040 and municipalities

01:00:54.700 invite thousands

01:00:55.760 or even tens of thousands,

01:00:57.320 I mean,

01:00:57.460 the cost to illegal immigration

01:00:59.140 in New York City

01:00:59.820 I believe is north

01:01:01.120 of six billion dollars

01:01:02.240 a year.

01:01:03.460 In Chicago,

01:01:04.320 I think it's around

01:01:04.920 five hundred million dollars

01:01:06.280 a year.

01:01:07.020 Well,

01:01:07.360 that money doesn't come

01:01:08.300 from Chicago taxpayers.

01:01:09.580 It primarily comes

01:01:10.760 through federal subsidies.

01:01:12.660 So if you want to end

01:01:13.560 sanctuary cities,

01:01:14.760 just cut off the money spigot

01:01:16.520 to sanctuary cities.

01:01:17.540 You don't get our taxpayer money

01:01:18.940 if you refuse

01:01:20.140 to enforce the law.

01:01:22.020 It's actually,

01:01:23.040 this one,

01:01:25.720 man,

01:01:26.000 some of this stuff

01:01:26.920 is really complicated.

01:01:27.740 This one is actually

01:01:29.040 very simple.

01:01:30.100 The federal government

01:01:30.800 just needs to say

01:01:31.840 we control immigration law,

01:01:33.920 right?

01:01:34.220 There are some things

01:01:35.140 the states and local governments

01:01:36.300 control.

01:01:37.080 The federal government

01:01:37.700 controls like foreign policy,

01:01:39.680 immigration law,

01:01:40.420 and a few other things.

01:01:41.580 And if you are not

01:01:43.040 going to obey

01:01:43.680 federal immigration laws,

01:01:45.420 then we're going to

01:01:46.740 cut off the paycheck,

01:01:48.680 we're going to cut off

01:01:49.340 the money,

01:01:49.820 and you have to enforce

01:01:51.020 our laws in order to get 0.95

01:01:51.920 any more money

01:01:52.460 from American taxpayers.

01:01:53.120 I know,

01:01:53.760 but when Central High School

01:01:55.980 disobeyed federal law

01:01:57.420 in Little Rock in 1956,

01:01:58.680 it's at the 101st Airborne.

01:02:00.140 Yeah.

01:02:00.820 And this has been going on

01:02:02.580 where states and cities

01:02:04.600 are like,

01:02:05.280 we basically are

01:02:06.800 our own countries now,

01:02:08.580 and no one's done anything.

01:02:09.760 Can you just really quick

01:02:10.820 tell us the mindset

01:02:12.180 that allowed Washington

01:02:13.320 to ignore this?

01:02:14.940 Oh, well,

01:02:15.460 I don't think it's that

01:02:16.200 Washington's ignoring it,

01:02:17.340 Tucker.

01:02:17.600 I think that it actually

01:02:18.680 shows where the real power is,

01:02:20.640 and that's with

01:02:21.340 the federal bureaucracy.

01:02:22.300 And our mutual friend,

01:02:23.760 Vivek Ramaswamy,

01:02:24.780 talks a lot about this,

01:02:25.860 that the real...

01:02:28.300 And again,

01:02:30.780 you hear this term

01:02:32.660 threat to democracy,

01:02:33.660 it's always projection.

01:02:34.920 When they talk about

01:02:35.600 threat to democracy,

01:02:36.480 they're always projecting

01:02:37.420 on something else.

01:02:38.420 The real threat to democracy,

01:02:40.040 you and I have talked about this,

01:02:41.220 is if the President

01:02:42.460 of the United States

01:02:43.520 orders generals

01:02:44.820 to do a troop redeployment,

01:02:46.360 and the generals refuse

01:02:47.780 or lie to the President

01:02:49.100 about what they've done,

01:02:50.420 that's a threat to democracy.

01:02:51.880 And by the way,

01:02:52.480 that happened at the very end

01:02:53.480 of Donald Trump's presidency,

01:02:54.860 right?

01:02:55.140 And none of those people

01:02:55.900 got fired.

01:02:56.940 None of them were even punished.

01:02:58.540 So you ask about immigration

01:02:59.580 in sanctuary cities.

01:03:01.020 The answer to this question

01:03:02.340 is the permanent bureaucracy

01:03:04.080 in Washington

01:03:04.920 doesn't want us

01:03:06.180 to have a border.

01:03:07.180 So even when you have

01:03:08.400 a guy like Donald Trump

01:03:09.580 who is using

01:03:10.380 all of the powers

01:03:11.280 of the presidency

01:03:11.960 to try to enforce

01:03:13.240 the southern border,

01:03:14.460 like, the bureaucrats

01:03:15.260 have to listen to him

01:03:16.240 on that issue

01:03:17.120 because they report to him.

01:03:18.280 But they can make it easier

01:03:20.780 for the state

01:03:21.700 and municipalities

01:03:22.560 to violate immigration law

01:03:24.480 and that's how they subvert

01:03:26.240 the will of the American

01:03:27.400 people's elected president.

01:03:28.880 I mean, this is like

01:03:29.880 a fundamental question.

01:03:31.520 Ask yourself,

01:03:32.840 who amongst

01:03:34.460 the United States of America,

01:03:36.200 which citizens voted

01:03:37.800 to have 25 million

01:03:39.560 illegal aliens

01:03:40.280 invade this country?

01:03:41.080 I don't think anyone,

01:03:45.460 even Democrats

01:03:46.700 who disagree with me

01:03:47.860 about exactly what to do

01:03:49.440 with the illegal immigrants 1.00

01:03:50.420 who are here,

01:03:51.160 I don't think that they voted

01:03:52.960 for a literal invasion

01:03:54.940 of this country.

01:03:56.020 Okay, you talk about inflation

01:03:57.180 and all the unaffordability problems.

01:03:59.800 Who voted to,

01:04:01.720 in the name of environmental cleanliness,

01:04:05.080 to shut down American energy

01:04:07.120 and ship it to China,

01:04:08.380 which is the dirtiest economy 0.66

01:04:09.740 in the entire world,

01:04:10.620 nobody voted for that.

01:04:12.740 So what these guys do,

01:04:14.500 abetted by the media,

01:04:15.620 is they run on slogans,

01:04:17.480 the media covers up for it,

01:04:18.940 they pretend that those slogans

01:04:20.140 have substance

01:04:20.800 and then even when

01:04:21.800 the American people

01:04:22.740 see through the BS

01:04:24.060 and elect a guy like Donald Trump,

01:04:25.780 the permanent bureaucracy

01:04:26.640 fights him every step of the way.

01:04:28.340 One of the most important things,

01:04:29.920 Tucker,

01:04:30.460 that we are going to do

01:04:31.380 when we win

01:04:32.360 is that we are going to make

01:04:33.980 the bureaucracy responsive

01:04:35.360 to the American people.

01:04:36.540 It has to happen.

01:04:37.820 If you don't do that,

01:04:39.260 you don't have a real,

01:04:40.620 constitutional republic.

01:04:41.400 I mean,

01:04:41.740 you're really going to need

01:04:43.060 to be tough

01:04:44.260 to get that done.

01:04:45.260 Are you confident

01:04:45.980 you can do that?

01:04:47.580 Tucker,

01:04:48.060 I'm confident

01:04:48.880 we can do it

01:04:49.600 because nobody

01:04:50.160 has ever really tried

01:04:51.280 because for 40 years

01:04:52.560 we haven't had

01:04:53.440 a real political opposition

01:04:54.500 in this country

01:04:55.200 and now we do.

01:04:57.140 Think about that.

01:04:57.700 I mean,

01:04:58.560 just take the three basic issues

01:05:00.920 that we talked about.

01:05:01.620 Trade policy,

01:05:02.380 immigration policy,

01:05:03.380 foreign policy.

01:05:04.380 There are disagreements

01:05:05.220 even within the Republican Party

01:05:07.500 about those issues

01:05:08.360 but every single one

01:05:09.780 of those issues

01:05:10.500 are winning issues

01:05:11.920 with the American people.

01:05:13.480 So what we're saying

01:05:14.560 is crazy as it sounds,

01:05:17.440 we think the American people

01:05:18.820 should have a government

01:05:19.740 that reflects

01:05:20.840 their best interests

01:05:22.100 and their actual preferences

01:05:23.420 and we're going to fight

01:05:24.580 every single day

01:05:25.340 to make it happen

01:05:26.020 and there's no reason

01:05:26.980 to do this.

01:05:28.560 I mean, look,

01:05:29.480 as you know,

01:05:31.760 my life was like very easy

01:05:33.180 before I ran

01:05:33.820 for political office

01:05:34.600 and Donald Trump's

01:05:35.360 was way easier than mine.

01:05:37.160 We're only doing this

01:05:38.420 because we think

01:05:39.040 that we can get it done.

01:05:40.140 We have to get it done

01:05:41.020 to save the country.

01:05:44.000 So I just want to stop

01:05:45.340 by repeating something

01:05:46.300 you just said.

01:05:47.780 For 40 years

01:05:49.200 we haven't had

01:05:50.380 an opposition party

01:05:51.720 and now we do.

01:05:54.940 God bless you.

01:05:56.580 Thank you guys.

01:05:57.880 Remember, go vote.

01:05:59.640 November 5th,

01:06:00.600 vote before

01:06:01.320 or vote on November 5th.

01:06:02.940 God bless you guys.

01:06:09.060 The big tech companies

01:06:10.340 censor our content.

01:06:12.320 I hate to tell you that

01:06:13.040 it's still going on in 2024

01:06:14.320 but you know what

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01:06:17.780 And that's why

01:06:18.160 we are hitting the road

01:06:19.200 on a fall tour

01:06:20.320 for the entire month

01:06:22.100 of September

01:06:22.800 coast to coast.

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01:06:29.380 Fort Worth, Texas

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01:06:34.600 Sunrise, Florida

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01:06:36.720 Jacksonville, Florida

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The Tucker Carlson Show - September 22, 2024

JD Vance： The New Opposition Party, Saving Rural America, & Why Trump Seeks Advice From His Gardener

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