On this episode of The Tucker Carlson Show, host Tucker Carlson sits down with Dr. Carl Sagan to discuss his new book, COVID: The Poisoning of the Planet. Dr. Sagan is a former FBI profiler who spent years investigating the crimes of the pharmaceutical giant, Valeant, and other pharmaceutical companies involved in the creation of the deadly SARS virus, SARS, and the cover-up surrounding it.
00:01:09.840But in those specific communities, in the richest, best-educated communities, you know, I don't think you saw a lot of thank you, Dr. Fauci signs in Gary, Indiana or Detroit.
00:01:18.620You saw them in Bethesda, you know, Santa Monica, Brookline, D.C.
00:33:12.220There's the narrative that we've been given for the last four years, and there's the actual
00:33:18.360fact pattern and what is the closest to the truth that we currently have.
00:33:23.040And if you take it chronologically and you ignore the media that came out that announced the pandemic
00:33:31.960was happening and that the source was a wet market, and you just look at the facts that even
00:33:38.260existed on American intelligence servers at the time, that there's more than enough proof and evidence to show that some sort of incident happened at the Wuhan lab in either August or September.
00:33:53.160There was a push to redo the HVAC system in the lab, there was a transition from civilian to military control of the lab.
00:34:04.500There was the, they erased their entire database of coronavirus samples of all their different collections
00:34:13.060of different coronaviruses that summer, all happening in sequence, all in the early fall, late summer of 2019.
00:34:24.020And then in October of 2019, there is a massive Olympic style event in Wuhan where teams from around the world, from armed forces from around the world, like in America, our Navy, our Army, the Marines sent teams to Wuhan to compete.
00:34:43.840And this was an event that had been scheduled for years, it was a diplomatic event using sports and athleticism to bring different countries together.
00:34:53.920And at that point, Wuhan was partially shut down, that there is satellite photos of overcrowded hospitals, that there were drills happening at the airport that were pandemic preparedness drills, and that they were called drills, but really they were, I think, active response to an actual pandemic outbreak, an actual leak of a virus.
00:35:18.980And this intelligence all existed before the world military games, and before we sent our armed forces to compete in this event, and we allowed our allies to send their teams to compete in this event.
00:35:37.800And that event in October of 2019 was the original super spreader.
00:35:42.080And what people, I think, don't know about COVID, but that the researchers knew about COVID, was that it was incredibly contagious, and that it has up to a five-day dormancy period, and on top of that, a lot of people are asymptomatic.
00:35:58.020So, you could have an event like the World Military Games, and knowing what we know about this virus now, by the time the virus was reported, the virus had likely spread around the world multiple times.
00:36:13.360And I know we all have friends who are like, well, I was sick in January, and I was sicker than I've ever been.
00:36:19.360People say they were sick like that in October in places like Washington, in November, Washington State.
00:36:25.060My wife got sick in November in Spain.
00:36:32.720And all that happens after that, leading up to the point where basically the emergency room chaos of Wuhan leaks, there's a doctor who posts some stuff on WeChat.
00:36:45.040And he was immediately arrested and told to erase all of his stuff off of social media because this is the way that the Chinese government was trying to contain the story.
00:37:00.580And then when it became known that he was a doctor who was trying to help people, the Chinese ended up giving him an award.
00:37:18.420And so, you know, I hope I'm explaining this in a way that's digestible.
00:37:26.540I find that when you look this in the face and you really see it, you have to remember that the rest of the world hasn't had that privilege or opportunity to understand how damning the evidence is.
00:37:41.160And how ugly the story is and how many pieces of evidence that have existed for years now.
00:37:49.600I mean, there is a – what drove me to make this film, I think, and fall into it was, okay, I could buy that Anthony Fauci is not honest about everything.
00:38:00.340I could buy that the United States government does nefarious things and potentially was funding research they shouldn't have been funding.
00:38:07.520I could buy that the pharmaceutical industry would want to cover up a story like that because, after all, they were going to make billions of dollars from the countermeasure of the vaccine.
00:38:16.280What struck me the most was me as a conscious sort of anti-corruption, looks, reads between the lines, doesn't trust media sources, had existed in this bubble where even I was not aware that there was a grant proposal to do this work two years before the pandemic happened and that it had been reported on for two years.
00:39:11.480I've learned that papers that I've learned that papers that I've trusted my whole life, like the New York Times and the Washington Post were, in some ways, the largest distributor of state-sponsored propaganda in the country.
00:39:23.560And that they were republishing studies that had no scientific merit and putting them on the front page, some of them before they even hit peer review.
00:39:34.540And then when a writer wants to write about something that isn't a bat, a pangolin, or a raccoon dog, and that is more related to an apparent cover-up and a lab leak, espionage, a bunch of things that are extremely newsworthy, those writers were told they couldn't by their editors.
00:39:54.520But here I am, just a civilian, like everybody else, believing that the news I'm getting is the news.
00:40:00.800And, you know, I want to give credit to people on the right who have broken with the mainstream media and live in a world where they feel like they need to question everything now.
00:40:12.320And I felt I already lived in that world.
00:40:15.940And here I was, completely seduced by mistruths, misinformation, propaganda, for years.
00:40:23.500Maybe the biggest lie about abortion is that it's just not a big deal.
00:40:30.100A year after having an abortion, women overall had a 50% higher chance of needing psychiatric treatment and an 87% higher likelihood of personality and behavioral disorders.
00:44:30.220It creates autoimmune disorders that are hard to even detect.
00:44:33.760They're so pervasive in people's life, little things that if you look back, you'd be like, oh, yeah, I sneeze about this thing all of a sudden.
00:44:42.040I have allergies for this that I never had.
00:44:43.980Or women whose menstrual cycles changed, not simply from the vaccine, but from the virus.
00:44:50.020People who still have long COVID right now.
00:44:52.820And long COVID is not some phenomenon that's, you know, obscure.
00:44:58.640It's directly tied to the synthetic nature of the virus.
00:45:29.360And, you know, a lot of people are asymptomatic.
00:45:32.380And what's so troubling about the virus is it has such different effects for different people.
00:45:38.940And so, for the most part, it strikes the elderly, the immunocompromised.
00:45:45.720But you could have a genetic composition that makes you die from lung complications and appear to be a healthy person.
00:45:53.140You could have a genetic complication that makes you die of a sudden heart attack.
00:45:57.060And even worse, you could have a genetic composition that now, two years later, you're learning that you have a rapid stage three or four cancer.
00:46:06.620And I say that because everyone can assume or accept that the vaccine could cause that problem.
00:46:14.080But we need to open up the idea that the virus itself can cause those problems.
00:49:16.560This virus directly targets your immune system and does things that are hard to even compute.
00:49:23.940I mean, some of them are so varied in people, they're as varied as our DNA.
00:49:28.400And I had had that experience right before making the movie.
00:49:33.400So I was very, I think, open-minded to the idea that everything I was told was not necessarily the truth.
00:49:40.840Is, because it was engineered and because genetics play a determinative role in illness and our response to viruses and our response to everything,
00:49:52.200is it conceivable that, whether by engineering or not, that certain genetic makeups are more susceptible to illness?
00:50:02.900Yeah, and I think if the Chinese were actively constructing a bioweapon, that you would look at America's general health condition
00:50:14.820and that this virus disproportionately affects people with diabetes, people with heart issues.
00:50:22.740Because we live on a very poor diet here in the United States.
00:50:27.040We're one of the richest, if not the richest country in the world.
00:50:30.340And the quality of food we're eating is, it's the opposite of what we should be eating.
00:50:58.920This is, there was intelligence briefs that came out, you know, after the State Department report, a year after the pandemic.
00:51:06.300And those intelligence reports show years of knowledge about the Chinese bioweapons program.
00:51:12.020And the question is, how did we develop years of knowledge about the Chinese bioweapons program?
00:51:18.640Because we were effectively funding and supplying the Chinese bioweapons program with our most talented scientists
00:51:26.940who were giving them technologies they didn't already have.
00:51:30.740And the exchange was so that we could spy on them.
00:51:33.520And if that isn't a completely insane proposition, I don't know what is.
00:51:38.740And we knew at that point, and maybe what caused such panic and alarm was that the Chinese were experimenting with things that were very, very questionable and dangerous.
00:51:52.140They had genetically engineered a human embryo so that the child was born immune to smallpox and polio, and I believe HIV.
00:52:02.480And that there were programs in place to understand the Chinese genome as it pertained to viruses to protect against viruses that were targeting the Chinese genome.
00:52:16.840And, of course, if you look at the flip side of that, would be to make viruses that do not target the Chinese genome.
00:52:31.400And, you know, I think we have to remember that we are the frontrunner of those technologies.
00:52:36.780So whatever the Chinese are doing, they're likely sifting that technology from us.
00:52:43.820And the United States is not off the hook in crazy research.
00:52:47.680And Anthony Fauci was pedal to the metal on this stuff for two decades.
00:52:52.540So do we know whether the virus escaped intentionally or by accident?
00:52:59.100There are some breaks right now that are happening.
00:53:03.380And I think right when the new administration gets in and a lot of folks who are very concerned with this issue and passionate about exposing the truth, we're going to know a lot more really quickly.
00:53:14.300But there's some really concerning stuff that was just released that DOD officials had a briefing about the potential accident and the virus in October of 2019.
00:53:27.580So previously, the intelligence was labeled sort of unanalyzed, that it was just on a server and we didn't see it, which, of course, is extremely suspicious.
00:53:38.040I mean, we can see how many nose hairs someone has from a satellite at this point.
00:53:43.660I mean, the idea that we wouldn't be able to sift one of the largest, most troubling signals that you could ever see on an intelligence server and have an alert set up for it just is—it's illogical.
00:53:54.220It doesn't make any sense, but we now know that they actually did meet and they did discuss this incident.
00:54:01.280And we also know that the DOD was very privy to a proposal to create this virus.
00:54:21.120So, I mean, that doesn't prove, but it certainly suggests, you know, an intentional act.
00:54:27.220It does, and then the part that is also very troubling that people whose anonymity I should keep, who have security clearance, and who did not disclose this to me in a very explicit way, but who signaled that they believe this to be the case,
00:54:49.300is that American scientists using American research dollars at American institutions and with the federal government created a proposal partnering with a Chinese scientist at the Wuhan lab, Xi Jingli, who was also a Chinese military scientist.
00:55:11.320Yes, it was a military lab, effectively.
00:55:12.940It was a military lab, and that many of the scientists, even who were coming to the United States, had dual affiliation with the military program.
00:55:21.200And it is believed now that the Chinese funded the Diffuse Proposal.
00:55:26.340What would stop them from funding the proposal?
00:55:30.220We outlined what we were looking to do.
00:55:32.000Now, if you read that proposal cover to cover, you'd have to be really, I think, scientifically, you know, knowledgeable and astute to understand what they were trying to do.
00:55:42.740But the reality is what they were trying to do didn't make any sense in this proposal.
00:55:46.960They were trying to go and take a virus that had never been seen before from the jungle, from areas like Yunnan province where these viruses can jump out of nature and cross over into humans, take them into the lab and put a fern cleavage site into the spike protein and play with this part of the virus called DC sign or this pathway,
00:56:10.440which targets our immune cells and tells us not to fight the virus until it reaches our lymph nodes and that we're being infected directly in our immune system.
00:56:19.520And the proposal says how to do all of this.
00:56:22.320And the purpose of the proposal, apparently, is to see what the virus will do.
00:56:27.020And then the thing that the takeaway at the end of the proposal is that that they want to make a bat vaccine and go and they want to spray it in a cave so that a virus like this doesn't come out of nature.
00:56:39.160And so anyone who's really looking critically, knowing what we know now, that part seems like bullshit and that the real purpose was to create a bioweapon that was very effective or to at least continue research on the spike protein and aspects of the spike protein that hadn't been resolved yet.
00:57:01.240And when I say that is that the NIAID and Fauci was funding research about fern cleavage sites and the spike protein because all of it was relevant to the mRNA vaccine because it was the part that they hadn't really figured out yet.
00:57:17.240The fern cleavage site causes this toxic reaction and there was research into it and Ralph Baric had done research into it.
00:57:25.360This is stuff that predates the pandemic by years.
00:57:29.140And so this proposal, in many ways, was probably a continuation of that type of work.
00:57:36.360But the proposal was also a cookbook on how to make a really dangerous coronavirus, one that would be devilish and one that would be worse than any that had ever been seen.
00:57:47.300And the logic, I guess, is, you know, we got to know what's coming and prepare for it.
00:57:51.900The irony is we weren't that prepared and a lot of people died.
00:57:58.140And the proposal itself says that effective countermeasures for a virus like this are currently chloroquine and remdesivir.
00:58:06.740Yes, the proposal in 2018 acknowledges chloroquine as an effective method for treating this type of coronavirus.
00:58:15.100And so you have all these different reasons why this proposal does not see the light of day for years.
00:58:22.720And thank God for a Marine in DARPA who finds it on an area of that server that is not classified,
00:58:34.660which makes one believe that someone in the classified area of that program wanted this to be exposed.
00:58:42.440And if Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Murphy did not expose this to the public, we may have never found out that this proposal existed.
00:58:51.800Mind you, 15 U.S. agencies saw the proposal and it was pitched to them two years before the pandemic happened.
00:58:59.120How do travelers stay prepared for the unexpected?
00:59:02.360Well, when you're flying across the country or driving for hours crammed into crowded spaces,
00:59:06.780and yet most people don't think what they do if they got sick or someone they love got sick.
01:07:58.420I mean, what's better to get people to come to the polls than racism, you know, a vaccine they shouldn't be taking, some kind of regime change that's happening illegitimately?
01:08:12.160I mean, we have to remember that if you really take a bird's eye view of the system, it benefits both parties.
01:08:19.560It's not simply like the Republicans go and do a strategy that divides people and it just benefits Republicans.
01:09:19.380They successfully took over a colony for two years and the plantation class looked at that and said,
01:09:25.660we have a serious problem right here because if they realize who the real enemy is and who's getting rich off their backs, we're fucked.
01:09:33.960And the whole concept of chattel slavery and three-fifths of a man and white people being better than black people was perfected at that moment because it's incredibly effective at dividing the poor right down the middle.
01:09:50.080And look at when Martin Luther King got assassinated.
01:09:52.480He was at the point where he was focusing on wealth disparity and programs for the poor.
01:09:58.160That's when he got killed, not when he said that we're all created equal.
01:10:09.000So I just want to touch on the public health response after the virus became universal.
01:10:19.020And you talked about why you think there was relentless focus on vaccines, the exclusion of other potential remedies, medicines.
01:10:31.000But masking, you know, physical separation of people, it was super obvious right away those were not effective, but they were policy for years after that.
01:10:42.720I think that Fauci believed that whatever it is you tell the public, it should be simple and there should be no room for confusion about the mandate you're giving.
01:10:57.340What that leads to is the type of behavior where you're for something one day, you're against it the next day.
01:11:03.280You don't have conclusive science on boosters for children.
01:11:06.740In fact, there's no science for boosters to children.
01:11:09.640They should have never been recommended.
01:11:11.220And yet they decided to augment that data and just make it simple for people.
01:11:17.720I mean, this is giving them the benefit of the doubt and not assuming that there is a more nefarious reason why these policies existed, that we're all about ultra vaccinating people constantly.
01:11:28.700You got to remember, these are not vaccines.
01:11:31.800They don't stop the spread of a virus.
01:12:01.320Now there's a scary virus that came out of nature that keeps morphing, you know, and, you know, the first message is, this is going to stop the spread.
01:12:10.980This is going to release the pressure and let us go back to our lives.
01:12:16.420And it was also a lie that we should have been locked down in the first place and that our schools should have been closed in the first place.
01:12:25.640So, when society is at the brink and everybody is going insane in their homes and can't get back to work, can't go to a bar, can't go to a baseball game, everything about American society has shut down.
01:12:41.720The amount of leverage you have to sell a solution that is completely black and white, that, you know, this is going to do it, this is going to bring us back, and anyone who doesn't do it is the enemy.
01:12:59.380You know, that is, of course, really effective.
01:13:02.720It was, there couldn't be anything further from the truth.
01:14:45.260Let's go back to the news coverage, right?
01:14:48.780How many times did we hear, we don't know what this is, we don't know what it does, you know, policies to wash surfaces and wash your fruit in the sink, you know, when that had nothing to do with the way that this virus spreads?
01:15:05.160Because to admit that you know what this virus does is to admit that you'd been funding it for years and that you know what the fur and cleavage side is and that you know even the way that HIV viruses interact with coronaviruses because Fauci funded a study by the same scientists who were implicated in the COVID disaster to experiment with coronaviruses as an HIV vaccine in 2014.
01:15:37.580You open it up just a crack and it blows open and all hell breaks loose.
01:15:42.820So for almost a year, lies were told about this virus, not just where it came from, but how to treat it, how it was spread.
01:15:51.280If we were honest about lab engineering, we would have been able to stop the spread in the way that it mattered the most.
01:15:57.620And the truth is that fusion inhibitors and other simple, cheap drugs are probably more effective for the majority of people than a vaccine is.
01:16:10.740Addressing the virus and stopping it from doing a lot of harm in your body, stopping it from spreading in your body after you've already gotten it, you know, things like ivermectin we understand now, chloroquine.
01:16:23.280Again, these type of therapies are arguably just as successful as a vaccine.
01:16:31.440The problem is you can't get an emergency use authorization for a vaccine if there's another useful countermeasure.
01:16:39.360So if you look back at the media and you start and you look at it with cynical eyes and you've lost trust for Anthony Fauci at this point, like I did, and I said, okay, well, I see one lie.
01:16:50.140You know, it's like in a true crime when the detective, the person tells one lie and they're like, okay, well, this probably the killer because now they're lying about this one thing.
01:17:09.700And so, you know, you're going to push this experimental technology that conservatively should take about five to 10 years to test in humans before you release it to the public.
01:17:23.280That's going to make certain individuals and companies billions of dollars money, by the way, that flowed back to the NIH and to Fauci's organization.
01:17:34.340We know now $650 million funded back to that organization through royalties from the pharmaceutical companies.
01:17:43.220And there is a system in place that is favoring a fixed outcome.
01:17:49.840And that outcome doesn't have anything to do with public health and it doesn't really have anything to do with the most effective thing.
01:17:58.020It's got to be new and it's got to benefit our friends.
01:18:03.060And Moderna was a great friend to the U.S. government.
01:18:06.220In fact, Moderna was mostly funded by the U.S. government for a period of time.
01:18:09.780It was never really a successful company.
01:18:12.480They'd been working on that cancer program with mRNA.
01:18:16.140They were also funded by the DOD directly.
01:18:20.580So it's a pharmaceutical company being funded by the DOD, the Department of Defense.
01:18:26.320And ultimately, this project was a big deal for Fauci and for others and this idea of this coronavirus vaccine.
01:18:36.520And the way in which it got preferential treatment in the process is obvious.
01:18:43.340In fact, there was a deal to develop this vaccine before the pandemic was even announced.
01:18:51.160And people will tell you, oh, no, that's just a coincidence that the information sharing agreement with Ralph Baric, the guy who was involved in the research at Wuhan and Moderna and NIH and, you know, Fauci's under Fauci's influence.
01:19:05.740That was just a coincidence because it says on the paper, MERS vaccine, not SARS vaccine.
01:19:11.860This is the type of trickery and tomfoolery and bullshit that runs bureaucracies.
01:19:21.680You know, you've been in the system long enough.
01:19:25.860You know what a grant proposal should have and should not have in it.
01:19:29.340And, you know, if you're going to do an information sharing agreement before the world is hit with the worst pandemic of a generation for a vaccine to have a frontrunner position, that you don't want to have too many fingerprints on that.
01:19:41.520So let's call it a MERS vaccine and not a SARS vaccine.
01:19:48.400And the reason why it happened is because there was knowledge that this virus was going to ravage the world months before it was reported.
01:19:55.840And that it's insane to think that Anthony Fauci, a preeminent infectious disease, you know, not a virologist, but someone in public health who's been studying these viruses, did not get the fucking memo that a virus was spreading all over China before December.
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01:22:45.340China had the World Military Games, as you said, but it also sent, you know, hundreds of thousands of its citizens around the world, including from central China around Wuhan, including to Milan, Italy and all of Western Europe.
01:23:06.080And after they knew that this pandemic had begun, that the virus was on the loose.
01:23:13.680Well, it's interesting because there is this theory that Anthony Fauci, a man with so much knowledge, understood that in the wrong hands, this disaster could be World War III.
01:23:24.880And that the reason why he covered it up was to prevent Trump from, you know, starting World War III and making a declaration of war because of the actions of the Chinese.
01:24:17.160So if people don't have civil liberties in China, if people can't report on things and they're censored on China, if the citizens are, you know, neglected and abused and manipulated in China, I have a logical explanation for that.
01:24:38.020The part that I refuse to accept is that, you know, the great experiment of democracy, the sort of the leader of thought on the planet, the guardian of truth and democracy.
01:24:49.660And, you know, the best system did the exact same thing and pretended like they were the good guy.
01:25:05.100Well, after five years, like where are the people, where are the courageous people in the media or the Congress or the executive branch, where are the courageous physicians, the researchers, the NIH?
01:25:16.260And that's what's so interesting is that if you look at this movie, there aren't that many, then there aren't that many, sadly, but there are many that aren't in the movie.
01:25:25.760But I think a phenomenon happened that I joined this party at a point of real, I think, apathy, even for the people that fought so hard to expose the truth.
01:25:40.380Because by that point, there had been a grant proposal that got released to the public.
01:25:44.500There had been all these damning emails to Fauci.
01:25:47.020There had been all this and still no wide-scale awareness.
01:25:51.660And what's interesting is that's when I started making the film, in a way, what feels like the bottom of this story is that all of this exists and no one's doing anything about it.
01:26:01.760And for many people who are not really in love with Donald Trump's policies or find other aspects of that base hard to swallow, they feel this great hope now.
01:26:15.200And three people in our film are going to be in prominent positions that are historic, the nominations for these positions.
01:26:29.040Jay Bhattacharya is going to run the NIH.
01:26:52.460Okay, Marty McCurry is a wonderful doctor who did whatever he could to challenge some of the sort of subjective medicine that was happening during COVID.
01:27:05.140He believed in a lot of things that, you know, were unpopular.
01:27:08.760But the truth is, is that when he said the pandemic was going to spread all around the world back in January, he actually was not loved by Republicans.
01:27:16.780And they called him an alarmist and, you know, a lot of things.
01:27:20.340So let's just realize that who appears to be a hero in one political party was an enemy a day before.
01:27:29.340I mean, if you look at the rest of my movies, I mean, I'm someone who would be labeled, you know, an enemy of the state for someone on the right.
01:27:38.000The truth is, is that the truth actually matters and that if you look beyond politics, we need to unite around these things.
01:27:46.820And so the film is a coalition of people, including Jeffrey Sachs, who was on this show and is a wonderful thinker and someone who is clearly on the left.
01:27:59.900And Sam Husseini is a Palestinian-American journalist who's been kicked out of a lot of press rooms, who is, you know, extremely outspoken about what's happening in Israel and is obviously dismayed by what's happening in Gaza.
01:28:16.920And it goes against caste, right, that all of these people agree that COVID was completely and totally an inside job, a lab accident, that Anthony Fauci is, you know, for lack of a better word, pure evil.
01:28:34.260And, you know, that's what's needed now.
01:28:37.240And what's incredibly refreshing is many of these voices are now in nominations for huge posts that have been compromised for decades.
01:28:48.320The NIH has been compromised for decades.
01:28:51.800I mean, at least as long since 9-11, but potentially longer.
01:28:57.080And the FDA, I mean, that's been compromised for a long time now.
01:29:01.280And there's also other people, I mean, I was given permission to say this, but Andrew Huff, who's in our film, is undersecretary to RFK.
01:29:12.760You've got a guy who was a firsthand witness to the spying of a U.S.-funded nonprofit on a Chinese lab and who worked for Peter Daszak's nonprofit, who was then harassed for years and called a lunatic and a lot of different things.
01:29:31.420And the truth is that he knew what he was talking about, and he's now in a position to use his knowledge of technology and use his knowledge of epidemiology to monitor pandemic threats.
01:29:44.900And I mean all pandemic threats, not the ones that, you know, just come from nature.
01:29:50.960You know, we actually have people in positions right now.
01:29:53.980What RFK is going to do, for anyone who understands the extent to which companies are poisoning American citizens with the permission of the American government, literally, okay?
01:30:06.720Half of the things in a supermarket aisle are not good for you.
01:30:10.120And when you go to Europe, they're illegal, okay?
01:30:13.000Or you go to Japan or another country, they're illegal.
01:31:04.080And how could we be over the fact that when we lied about it originally, when it was lied about and the media didn't cover it, that more funding for this research happened?
01:31:14.060There are more labs doing gain-of-function research right now.
01:31:17.180And one of the most frightening things that concerns me, and I believe is absolutely urgent right now, is that for the last six months, we all have seen reports about bird flu coming over naturally from cow milk, from a cat.
01:31:33.440And call me a cynical person, the threat of bird flu, lab-generated bird flu, has existed since the study that Anthony Fauci conducted, funded with Ron Fouchier and Karaoka for 10 years.
01:31:53.140People have feared a bird flu coming out of the lab for 10 years.
01:31:57.860The wet market proved that you got to be a little bit sharper at a story of it coming from nature.
01:32:03.340And for six months now, we've seen story after story, isolated crossover.
01:32:14.040To me, this is them sharpening the tool because it is absolutely inevitable that a bird flu will cross over into humans and it won't be natural.
01:32:23.620And the one we're going to be infected with is not going to be the one that infected the cat or the cow milk.
01:33:38.800How much power is going to shift from an event like that?
01:33:41.040And you've got a situation now where all the people I just mentioned going to destabilize the FDA, going to destabilize the NIH, going to declassify all of the information that would prove a story that's incredibly damning for a lot of people, including pharmaceutical companies, nation states.
01:33:58.560You've got Donald Trump, who's going to be in the United States, who's going to be in the United States, and that's been proven through history multiple times.
01:34:15.540It seems like it seems like it would be a really great time for a distraction.
01:34:19.540And the risk is that we are going to suffer from another man-made pandemic before we've figured out who's responsible for the last one, and it's going to hurt us so much that we won't even care.
01:34:37.360That's why I have no issue partnering with anyone who wants to do activism around this issue.
01:34:44.700If we thought nuclear disarmament was a core issue threatening the human race, this type of work is in multiples of hundreds as far as the risk.
01:35:12.080And Metabiota and the connections to Hunter Biden.
01:35:14.880Metabiota is very much connected to the research, including things like the diffuse proposal, including Peter Daszak, who's like an evil scientist slash spy,
01:35:24.480who's potentially not just spying for the U.S., but spying for the Chinese Communist Party and working as a double agent.
01:35:31.820I mean, all of these—why are all these things—why are they all in the same bucket?
01:38:27.420How far up the ladder do we want to go?
01:38:30.860Do we want to let it be the government controlling media companies, or do we want to admit that the government has suffered from complete agency capture in every division of the government?
01:38:41.180And that veiled interests, like pharmaceutical companies or the military industrial complex, you know, companies, for-profit corporations, influence the government more than its voters, more than its politicians.
01:38:54.620Right, so we're getting back to where you started, which was by saying, I thought astutely, that what you're looking at are powers bigger than nation states, more powerful than nation states.
01:39:04.820And when you say agency capture, it's not just in the strict sense of a federal agency.
01:39:07.980It's agency, which is to say the freedom to do what you want.
01:39:37.880I agree, and I hate using it because I feel like a freaking wacko because I lived in D.C. for so long, family worked for the government, and I just always scoffed at people who use that term.
01:41:18.700And it was only in the last couple of years, I think it was Bobby Kennedy or someone who's thought about it more than I had, said to me this exact thing.
01:41:27.140The point is not, and I wondered, like, who's buying this?
01:41:43.980Large media organizations considered to be the last line of defense, the free press in the United States, the fourth estate, are completely captured.
01:42:45.300I really respect and appreciate the people who are running daily programs like that and offering, you know, to their viewers a take.
01:42:54.000And I get the privilege to spend, I do it faster than most, but I spend about 8 to 12 months, sometimes, you know, 14 or 16, living in a story.
01:43:38.240I mean, there's a lot going on right now that needs to be, you know, dismantled.
01:43:42.380And like I said, what is crazy is that four years ago, under the indoctrination, under the sort of way that I had lived my life, I would look at a Donald Trump victory and I'd say this is a disaster.
01:43:58.120You know, this is the way liberals who are, you know, drunk off MSNBC, they think the world is ending.
01:44:05.420When the consumer thinks the world is ending, they actually spend really freely.
01:44:09.120We can get into that in another episode.
01:44:11.800But the way fear really affects people's, but this constant fear, you know, the people that are actually most afraid of Donald Trump are, a lot of them are extremely powerful folks running bureaucracies who have been able to control the system
01:44:35.420And that's this other side to the story.
01:44:39.340And it was really heartbreaking for me to have these affiliations over the years and then to see this affiliation that I had identified with.
01:44:51.380And mind you, I'm not a political person.
01:44:54.900But to see that who I believed was out there to help the poor and provide services and believe all these different things about equality and, you know, these buzzwords was the elite.
01:45:10.540And by the time we've gotten to Joe Biden, it's the party represents the elite now.
01:45:18.400It doesn't it's not doing anything for the working class, not doing anything for the poor.
01:45:22.340It's not protecting the people that I think should be protected.
01:45:25.660And maybe I'm biased because I've lived in cities most of my life, but there are some services that are needed.
01:45:30.800And of course, there's corruption in every service.
01:45:33.440And, you know, the truth is, is that a lot of these politicians, they don't have an answer either, but they'll tell you what you want in order to get there.
01:45:42.180And when they get there, it's a whole different type of question.
01:45:46.140Well, you've got to believe in our business, you've got to really sincerely believe that saying the truth out loud is a necessary step, whether or not it solves the problem.
01:45:55.260But without that, you definitely can't solve any problems.
01:45:57.880There's a lot of spiritual people who think that just saying the truth is a divine act.
01:46:02.000We have to be willing to say the truth.
01:46:13.980And I personally believe that because I mean, I know it.
01:46:18.200But just in a political context, just on a policy level, you can't fix a problem until someone stands up and says, actually, here's what it is.
01:46:26.000I'm dismayed by all the different signals that exist that, sadly, it's not possible anymore.
01:46:40.780And as much as I want to believe it is on a political level, that if we're not on a search and destroy on those bureaucratic levels and those sort of all those agency capture moments, and that we're not just putting crazy people in management positions.
01:47:00.060And I can tell you, it is crazy for me to see the individuals who I know and who I've sat with and who I know that they have integrity be called crazy, wacko, fringe, you know, idiots, you know, they're going to, you know, whatever.
01:47:18.900And so I think that that's the real reform is, you know, until you clear out that rot, right?
01:47:25.420And we were talking about pharmaceutical companies having the lion's share of ad revenue across the entire sector until you make it illegal for pharmaceutical companies to advertise in the United States, same way tobacco companies can't advertise, you know, on television, you know, they're relegated to magazines and they can't even have billboards in a lot of places.
01:47:47.840Pharmaceutical companies should be way worse, you know, their products are more dangerous.
01:47:53.780I mean, I'd much rather have my kids use tobacco than SSRIs.
01:48:18.240Because when I could finally get through to people and I had their attention, I saw the transition happen in them.
01:48:26.160And I think what's interesting is like if you look at a zombie movie or you look at, you know, a piece of science fiction, there's always a hack, right?
01:48:38.360There's a hack to the sickness that people are suffering from, the thing that's turning them against each other.
01:48:43.720And I think that one of the most sinister things about COVID is we lost the ability to sit in the same room, to look someone in the eye, to have a conversation.
01:48:53.340And even before COVID, even by the time we got to the 2016 election, maybe before that, we lacked the ability to have conversations across different ideological, you know, means.
01:49:05.780But the fact remains that if you have a logical conversation with someone about an issue, that that's really where our humanity comes through.
01:49:16.360And all of the different platforms that we're living off of, that we're addicted to, social media, you know, regular mainstream media.
01:49:24.720It's designed to actually take us out of that humanity and to make us mechanical in the way that we live our life.
01:49:32.720And the more mechanical we are, the less willing we are to say, oh, wow, that's interesting.
01:49:39.660And I truly believe I will make this challenge to anyone who considers themselves a liberal, a Democrat, who feels heartbroken about this last election, that if you can make it 10 minutes into this film, you will never feel the same way ever again.
01:49:56.580And I believe that it's not because I'm a great filmmaker, it's not because, you know, it's special, it's because the information has been so disparate, purposefully, that you can't connect it in one sitting.
01:50:11.140And what the film does is it allows you to connect 75 years of scientific arrogance, of government, you know, disasters, all in one place and realize they're all connected.
01:50:22.340And that has been deprived of the public for decades now, a lot of it because of cable news, because there isn't enough time to connect it all.
01:50:34.360And so I could sit here with you and despite, you know, seeing you on the air and maybe you had opinions that weren't my own, you're a human being.
01:50:43.020We're sitting here, we're having a conversation.
01:50:45.360I don't care who you voted for because we're talking about the truth now.
01:50:49.360And we need to have that conversation because everyone is at risk right now.
01:50:57.100Everyone, not just in America, is at risk.
01:50:59.400Everyone on the planet is at risk right now.
01:51:02.480And if it can benefit certain people so enormously, whether it was an accident or intentional, and if so much power can be transferred from an event like this, it's going to happen again.
01:51:15.900And that's why I made the film and that's why I'm willing to work with anyone who's passionate about stopping this from happening again, about holding people like Anthony Fauci accountable, about, you know, getting rid of the rot in these agencies that are meant to protect people.
01:51:32.600Since when are we not about consumer protections anymore?
01:51:36.060Remember that part of the United States when people were trying to protect constituents?
01:51:58.980They're things that poison us every day.
01:52:00.980There's connective tissue to these stories, like in the movie, that if you sat and you experienced it in one place, you would never look at the world ever again the same way.
01:52:10.420And all I hope is that it can break through enough to do that.
01:52:13.180And I thank you for having me on to discuss it, you know?