The Tucker Carlson Show - Jenner Furst： Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail

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00:00:28.620 Thank you, Dr. Fauci.

00:00:31.700 So I lived at the beginning of COVID in Northwest D.C. where I'd been, you know, most of my life.

00:00:36.280 And there were actual yard signs that said, thank you, Dr. Fauci.

00:00:40.860 Yeah, the title is ironic.

00:00:43.740 But I don't think, so you told me before we went on that you're from Brookline, Massachusetts, originally.

00:00:48.940 I spent most of my life in Northwest D.C.

00:00:50.480 They're very similar.

00:00:52.560 Well-educated, affluent, enormous self-regard.

00:00:57.020 And, you know, these are communities that think a lot of themselves.

00:01:00.180 And it was those communities, in retrospect, that were the ones that posted the thank you, Dr. Fauci signs.

00:01:06.940 Am I imagining that?

00:01:08.040 No, that happened.

00:01:09.660 Yeah.

00:01:09.840 But in those specific communities, in the richest, best-educated communities, you know, I don't think you saw a lot of thank you, Dr. Fauci signs in Gary, Indiana or Detroit.

00:01:18.620 You saw them in Bethesda, you know, Santa Monica, Brookline, D.C.

00:01:24.340 Yeah.

00:01:24.940 And I'd lived in New York for two decades by that point.

00:01:28.700 And I don't think a lot of people in New York were thanking Dr. Fauci.

00:01:32.080 I don't think the sanitation workers were thanking Dr. Fauci.

00:01:35.020 Exactly.

00:01:35.780 The nurses weren't thanking Dr. Fauci.

00:01:37.720 I mean, it's a farce.

00:01:38.840 It's an illusion.

00:01:40.540 The truth is far from that.

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00:02:10.060 Here's the episode.

00:02:10.720 So I just want to set this conversation.

00:02:12.920 I want to go through, like, what actually happened.

00:02:15.180 First, I want to thank you for making this.

00:02:19.760 But I want, because everything is so politicized, particularly COVID, I just want to be clear

00:02:27.160 for our viewers who you are.

00:02:31.600 You know, opposition to COVID policy, to mandatory vaccination, questions about where the virus

00:02:38.420 came from.

00:02:38.960 These are kind of staples on the right.

00:02:41.040 They weren't at the time, by the way, I can tell you, but they are now.

00:02:44.740 And, you know, silence and signs that say, thank you, Dr. Fauci, are sort of signifiers

00:02:49.120 of liberalism.

00:02:50.640 Right.

00:02:50.780 I don't quite know how that happened, but it did.

00:02:52.740 Where are you?

00:02:53.320 I'm nowhere, honestly.

00:02:55.860 I'm trying to use my brain about what happened.

00:02:59.700 Okay, good.

00:03:01.240 And I don't think I can, I don't, I think I've lost confidence in all political tropes about

00:03:09.780 this topic and it really helped me see what was happening before with every other topic

00:03:17.960 because I consider myself a cynical person.

00:03:20.940 I've been investigating these type of scandals and crimes for a long time.

00:03:25.480 COVID was about 10 times or 100 times bigger than any fraud or crime I've ever investigated.

00:03:33.520 And I think politics really was key to the manipulation, you know, dividing people.

00:03:39.600 And I just see it in everything now.

00:03:41.620 Keys to manipulation.

00:03:42.200 So that implies you don't think that politics drove it.

00:03:46.160 Politics was a tool that the people behind this used to subdue the population?

00:03:52.120 Yeah.

00:03:52.360 I think that the folks who are in positions of enormous power, power that I think is greater

00:04:00.780 than nation states, really, it's transnational global power, corporate power.

00:04:05.440 Yes.

00:04:05.600 Um, I think that they benefit greatly from the population being divided and fighting amongst

00:04:12.040 themselves about issues that are not even the truth.

00:04:15.540 And in this case, 99% of people on the planet were abused.

00:04:21.020 They were poisoned.

00:04:22.740 Close to 20 million of them were killed.

00:04:26.040 And in that context, they all lost.

00:04:29.640 And a very small, small portion of people on this planet, you know, in the thousands,

00:04:35.600 benefited, uh, greatly, even though they were responsible to some extent for this crime.

00:04:42.000 And so it's, it's insane to think that for the people who were responsible for this,

00:04:48.360 that it was a win-win scenario for them while the rest of the planet was clearly a lose-lose

00:04:53.040 scenario.

00:04:53.800 There's nothing political about that.

00:04:55.640 I feel like pounding my fist on the table in agreement.

00:04:57.980 I just, that's so nicely put.

00:04:59.740 Um, okay, let's start at the beginning.

00:05:02.340 What was this virus?

00:05:03.620 Where did it come from?

00:05:04.360 I think that I want to give you an easy answer, but I think, I don't think we're ever going

00:05:11.400 to know exactly the moment that this virus emerged from a lab, but we do know that the

00:05:17.560 virus did not emerge from the wet market in Wuhan and that it didn't emerge in December.

00:05:22.060 It likely emerged in August.

00:05:24.500 Um, and that it was the product of research that was funded by the United States.

00:05:31.060 And the writing was on the wall that this research could have caused a pandemic for five years,

00:05:38.000 at least.

00:05:38.540 So in that context, whether it got on someone's sleeve on their way to lunch or whether it

00:05:51.740 was released intentionally, everything we know about this virus has been a lie.

00:05:56.800 So the form of research that created it is called, often called gain of function and which in

00:06:04.160 crude terms effectively makes a virus, it's manipulation of a virus to make it more dangerous

00:06:08.920 in order, say researchers to create more effective vaccines against it.

00:06:13.220 I think that's correct.

00:06:14.440 That's the, um, company line.

00:06:16.160 That's the company line.

00:06:17.040 But it's so self-evidently reckless that it was banned or sort of banned under the Obama

00:06:24.880 administration.

00:06:25.560 Is this correct?

00:06:26.560 Yeah, it's an interesting story.

00:06:28.180 Uh, it's really what you'll see in the film is that on the surface, you have this scandal

00:06:33.920 with COVID, you have this virus that doesn't appear to be natural and you have a coverup.

00:06:39.840 Clearly.

00:06:40.320 I mean, if we can't prove the moment the virus leaked or the exact origin, we can prove that

00:06:45.780 there was a coverup.

00:06:46.860 There's more than enough, there's more than enough evidence to do that right now.

00:06:51.080 But the story didn't start with COVID.

00:06:53.520 The story started almost 20 years ago.

00:06:55.720 Story started really after 9-11 and, uh, you have a country that's reeling from a terrorist

00:07:01.300 attack and then the anthrax attacks happen and Anthony Fauci raises his hand to be, you

00:07:08.900 know, the point person for biodefense research and all of a sudden billions of dollars go

00:07:15.660 to his department and really out of the supervision of the Pentagon and other areas of the government

00:07:22.160 that had regulated it.

00:07:23.800 And for the last 20 years, this has been a debate and, um, the sort of coverage that

00:07:30.600 was happening during the pandemic really thrived on the idea that this came out of nowhere

00:07:35.460 and it's a natural disaster and we all need to band together and we don't know much about

00:07:40.860 what it is.

00:07:41.380 And we just need to be patient with the government, patient with the science, patient, patient

00:07:46.620 with the medicine.

00:07:48.160 It was the opposite.

00:07:49.480 We knew all about this virus.

00:07:50.820 It had been researched for close to a decade.

00:07:53.460 The vaccine for this virus was in research for almost five years prior to the virus happening.

00:07:58.840 And, um, many scientists like the folks in my film have been ringing the alarm that this

00:08:06.220 was an existential risk to humanity for close to two decades.

00:08:10.900 That's crazy.

00:08:12.860 It's absurd.

00:08:14.060 It's insane.

00:08:14.280 Those are big facts to keep secret for five years.

00:08:18.620 Yeah.

00:08:18.880 So, um...

00:08:19.960 And there were other...

00:08:20.860 And what I discovered in looking into it was that you start to see a pattern and that

00:08:26.600 there were other events, in fact, you brought up Obama regulating gain-of-function, well,

00:08:32.340 that happens right at the same time that there's an Ebola outbreak in West Africa.

00:08:36.460 Yes.

00:08:37.040 And there is a connection to gain-of-function research as a potential origin for that outbreak

00:08:43.060 and it was successfully covered up.

00:08:45.160 And you find the same people who were implicated in that outbreak, including Anthony Fauci, on secret

00:08:51.180 teleconferences right after the news breaks about COVID.

00:08:54.080 And they actually happen to be people who write the most passionate papers that COVID came

00:08:59.920 from nature.

00:09:00.860 People who were previously suspected of being the source of a lab leak.

00:09:06.000 So we can say those people were lying when they claimed it came from the wet market in

00:09:10.600 Wuhan.

00:09:11.340 I think that there's no way a reasonable person can look at the evidence here and think that

00:09:18.480 people were telling the truth.

00:09:19.840 Think that Anthony Fauci was telling the truth.

00:09:21.960 Think that the scientists who wrote these papers wrote them with any ethical standards and that

00:09:28.160 they didn't commit fraud.

00:09:29.540 It appears that they all committed some form of fraud, whether it be scientific fraud.

00:09:35.120 Some of these crimes are felonies.

00:09:37.340 They committed perjury.

00:09:38.920 Multiple scientists committed perjury in front of Congress.

00:09:41.800 Anthony Fauci committed perjury in front of Congress.

00:09:44.580 But what we have to remember about Fauci is he's been playing this game for 50 years.

00:09:50.440 He knows how DC works.

00:09:51.740 He knows, you know, how to operate.

00:09:55.380 And the reason why he may get away with committing perjury is because he was the one who made the

00:10:01.440 regulations, for the most part, on what gain of function would be and would not be.

00:10:05.880 And he excluded that dangerous research in Wuhan.

00:10:09.500 And on paper, it wasn't gain of function.

00:10:13.400 And that's the type of game that's been played for, like I said, decades now.

00:10:17.820 So I have too many questions.

00:10:18.960 I don't want to overwhelm you with unrelated questions.

00:10:21.260 You know a lot, but, you know, I also want to speak in a way that people can approach this

00:10:27.220 story because it's mind-bending.

00:10:29.560 So let me just go back before I lose the thread.

00:10:32.020 You mentioned this has been going on since the anthrax attacks, which really were the

00:10:35.920 pretext that Fauci used to grab all this money and power.

00:10:39.760 Well, we can't blame Fauci for all of it.

00:10:41.780 It was really Dick Cheney who had, you know, been very successful at using 9-11 to achieve

00:10:46.900 other things like...

00:10:47.820 Oh, I noticed.

00:10:48.540 Like an invasion of Iraq. 0.68

00:10:49.780 Yeah, and the erosion of all of our civil liberties, the, you know, permitting torture,

00:10:56.460 violating the Geneva Convention.

00:10:58.140 These things were all in play after 9-11 because we were in a war against terror.

00:11:03.520 And anthrax was painted as a continuation of the war against terror.

00:11:09.020 The truth is, is that as Fauci and Cheney were leaving office, it was released that anthrax

00:11:15.600 was not a terrorist attack.

00:11:17.460 Anthrax was an inside job from a scientist at Fort Detrick, one of our bioweapons facilities. 0.93

00:11:23.480 So I remember that vividly.

00:11:26.140 I had white powder sent to my house, had the bio team come at that, you know, 2001.

00:11:29.960 I'll never forget it.

00:11:31.000 But we never really got a definitive answer on who sent...

00:11:37.320 I mean, there was the person accused...

00:11:39.760 First, Stephen Hatful was accused falsely by the media, including the media organization

00:11:44.780 I worked for at the time.

00:11:45.840 And then there was another guy, the Fort Detrick...

00:11:48.380 For silence.

00:11:49.120 That's exactly who's since died.

00:11:51.780 Well, died is a very generous way of putting what may have happened to him.

00:11:58.140 Do you think he did it?

00:12:00.680 Do you think he was murdered?

00:12:02.540 I think that when he began saying that he didn't act alone and that the media's version

00:12:10.280 of his story was very far from the truth, and when members of Congress started believing

00:12:15.520 that he didn't act alone, he suspiciously committed suicide by taking a bunch of Tylenol.

00:12:23.120 So I don't really know many accomplished scientists, bio-terrorists, experts, people who understand

00:12:32.480 all the different compounds that can kill them very peacefully and very fast, who would

00:12:36.580 take a lot of acetaminophen to kill themselves.

00:12:38.940 It's just very suspicious.

00:12:41.280 And the timing was even more suspicious.

00:12:43.540 And I think what I learned was that, in many ways, Anthony Fauci's whole sort of advancement

00:12:50.980 into this unchecked power, into becoming the most prominent scientist on the planet, the

00:12:58.340 largest funder of biomedical research on the planet, was predicated on a hoax.

00:13:04.960 And to this day, he's never admitted that anthrax was not a terrorist attack.

00:13:10.260 And you can't find that anywhere in his book.

00:13:13.120 If it wasn't a terror attack, what was it?

00:13:14.640 Anthrax was a false flag attack.

00:13:17.980 And anthrax, like 9-11, allowed for the complete deregulation of bioweapons research, of biodefense

00:13:24.840 research.

00:13:25.940 And if you go back in time, you see this confluence of things.

00:13:31.500 You see the science advancing in very exciting ways, like CRISPR, the ability to edit genes,

00:13:39.000 to do things we've never been able to do before.

00:13:40.940 And you see this idea that we're under attack and that the enemy may use unconventional

00:13:48.860 means to attack us.

00:13:51.880 And bioweapons immediately came into focus because of the anthrax attack.

00:13:57.780 And that was used to fund a lot of countermeasures, quote-unquote countermeasures, for bioweapons.

00:14:04.660 But the interesting thing about gain-of-function and the interesting thing about doing this

00:14:10.420 research in the first place is that in order to create a countermeasure for an agent that's

00:14:17.360 never been known or created or a virus that doesn't exist, you have to create the agent

00:14:22.940 and the virus.

00:14:23.960 And so it creates a weapon, a pandemic that has never been seen by man before, and arguably

00:14:34.860 carries more risk than it carries benefit.

00:14:38.820 And Fauci was almost evangelical about this research to the point that it was suspicious.

00:14:45.700 And scientists like Richard Ebright and others, the Cambridge Working Group, I mean, the debate

00:14:51.360 started almost directly after anthrax and Fauci began doing this research.

00:14:56.500 I mean, the debate started in like 2002, that we should not be directing all of our research

00:15:02.580 dollars into this one narrow field of, quote, pandemic preparedness.

00:15:08.820 And yet, Fauci did and amassed so much influence and power in that system that he was able to

00:15:16.980 shut down every critic.

00:15:18.020 And there were a lot of close calls, and there were a lot of red flags, you know, after anthrax

00:15:25.980 and before Ebola.

00:15:27.940 Fauci supported the engineering of avian flu in 2011 to make it airborne.

00:15:34.840 Bird flu is not naturally airborne.

00:15:37.500 It takes a while to transfer from its host, you know, birds to humans.

00:15:43.140 It happens with pigs.

00:15:44.800 It happens with other intermediate species, and a scientist supported by Anthony Fauci used

00:15:51.640 gain-of-function techniques in order to hone the virus to be airborne in humans.

00:15:59.540 So this was celebrated by Fauci as a victory of science.

00:16:04.900 There was a big debate on whether the results of this study should even be published.

00:16:09.380 They were published, and Fauci and Francis Collins, who was also the NIH director at the time of

00:16:15.340 the pandemic and very much part of the whole problem that we faced, they wrote an op-ed in

00:16:24.720 the Washington Post and said that this was a flu risk worth taking, that doing this dangerous

00:16:30.440 research could cause a pandemic, but that it was a risk worth taking because we would be

00:16:35.580 prepared for that pandemic.

00:16:37.600 Prepared with vaccines.

00:16:40.400 Yeah.

00:16:41.060 And therein lies the next sort of issue is that I think clinicians, doctors who treat people,

00:16:49.280 folks that are pragmatic, will take any remedy or any countermeasure that's effective to

00:16:57.040 help their patients and would...

00:16:59.600 In fact, I would replace the word pragmatic with humane.

00:17:02.700 Humane, any way to stop suffering, any way, anything, you know?

00:17:06.160 Your job was just to heal.

00:17:08.580 Yeah.

00:17:09.260 Yeah.

00:17:09.840 And I think that Fauci represents sort of almost this paternal grandfather-like figure,

00:17:20.960 self-proclaimed because no one asked for this, whose job felt less about protecting people or

00:17:29.620 developing things that could help all sorts of people and more about carrying a line on what

00:17:37.540 was important in science and digesting science for people in a way that was, if you look back,

00:17:44.200 very infantilizing, you know?

00:17:45.840 Well, you know, this is how this works and that's how this works.

00:17:49.060 And if you listen to him at a podium, he has an incredible bedside manner.

00:17:53.300 But he's failing to tell you every conflicting piece of evidence.

00:17:59.020 He's failing to tell you every, you know, piece of gray.

00:18:02.760 It's very black and white.

00:18:04.200 And he'd been doing that for years.

00:18:07.920 But there's always a bottom line.

00:18:09.460 Yeah, right.

00:18:10.220 And the bottom line is the vaccine.

00:18:11.960 Right.

00:18:12.380 And so he was, he's not a virologist.

00:18:15.360 He's an immunologist.

00:18:17.200 And really, in many ways, his focus is vaccinology.

00:18:21.660 Right.

00:18:21.900 And so there are such thing as virologists, epidemiologists, and, and all those people

00:18:28.880 were supported by his funding, his research.

00:18:32.280 But Fauci appeared to have one goal and one solution for problems, which was to develop

00:18:38.260 vaccines for them.

00:18:39.540 Yes.

00:18:40.420 And I think, like many doctors and scientists would agree, vaccines are very important.

00:18:47.540 In fact, there could be a pandemic coming any day now that a vaccine may be the only thing

00:18:54.120 to stop it.

00:18:55.640 And so much damage, this is very ironic, so much damage was done by Fauci and others to

00:19:01.120 the concept of vaccines that it could be a real tragedy when we actually need a vaccine

00:19:08.300 and people are so distrustful of public health.

00:19:12.280 And I think that when you have very powerful people who have been in DC for decades, they

00:19:19.580 live in a bubble where they forget what the rest of the world is doing the way the

00:19:24.180 rest of the world think.

00:19:25.260 And for some reason, in their calculus, in their head, they, they, Fauci and others thought

00:19:31.120 that this was the way to talk to people.

00:19:33.260 These were the things to do.

00:19:34.500 And maybe they didn't understand the catastrophic risk.

00:19:38.020 It was five years ago this month that people started to drop dead in the central Chinese

00:19:42.140 city of Wuhan, five years since the beginning of COVID, tens of millions dead, societies reordered

00:19:49.160 completely, economies destroyed.

00:19:51.320 And yet, for some reason, we still don't know answers to the most basic questions.

00:19:55.800 Where did this virus come from?

00:19:57.200 How did it get here?

00:19:58.640 Why did the government tell us to do things they knew wouldn't work?

00:20:01.980 None of those questions have been adequately answered.

00:20:04.160 And one man knows those answers.

00:20:06.160 His name is Dr. Tony Fauci.

00:20:07.520 Until now, nobody has really pressed.

00:20:11.020 And now, a documentary filmmaker called Jenner First is out with a new film explaining exactly

00:20:17.340 what happened.

00:20:18.020 The film was called Thank You, Dr. Fauci.

00:20:20.360 Jenner First spent years trying to get answers.

00:20:22.580 And in that time, as he awaited Dr. Fauci's response, he went through tens of thousands

00:20:26.860 of pages of documents and pieced together the story, which is shocking.

00:20:30.760 We are proud to host that documentary here on TCN from December 20th to January 19th.

00:20:36.240 You will see it exclusively here on TCN.

00:20:38.540 Again, it's called Thank You, Dr. Fauci.

00:20:41.240 And it's worth it.

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00:22:13.200 Maybe, maybe there's another explanation.

00:22:15.800 One of the things that I learned but never hadn't known before was that there are a lot

00:22:21.040 of people in our public health establishment who think vaccines are the point.

00:22:26.880 The point.

00:22:27.480 And this has gone on.

00:22:29.360 I've never been against vaccines and, you know, always been grateful for the Salk vaccine,

00:22:33.960 et cetera.

00:22:34.700 Took a bunch of vaccines myself.

00:22:37.280 But I always assumed that they were sort of tools used by physicians to heal people,

00:22:43.100 to save people from illness.

00:22:44.320 I didn't realize that this mindset was very different from that.

00:22:49.020 They were almost like vaccines were the point.

00:22:52.360 And this goes back, you know, I mean, Diego Rivera, I think, painted a mural panel about

00:22:58.440 vaccines.

00:22:59.160 Like, the worship of vaccines, for their own sake, is longstanding.

00:23:04.120 And I don't understand it.

00:23:05.160 What is that?

00:23:05.660 Do you have any insight?

00:23:07.000 Sure.

00:23:07.240 I mean, I think that if we looked at every other part of our government, our society,

00:23:12.140 that we can see the influence of money and, you know, companies.

00:23:18.760 And sadly, public health is no different than any other industry, any other part of our

00:23:25.340 government.

00:23:25.980 They lobby.

00:23:27.460 They spend a lot of money.

00:23:28.920 The pharmaceutical industry spends a lot of money.

00:23:31.280 There's a lot of money to be made on sick people.

00:23:33.960 And sadly, folks in positions of, you know, that are making policy for America, which in

00:23:41.500 many ways leads the world in a lot of this stuff, is very influential.

00:23:45.820 Those folks are sometimes compromised.

00:23:49.180 And I think that what you brought up about vaccines, you can see the same thing across

00:23:54.600 the rest of the pharmaceutical industry.

00:23:56.840 That many times there's a cheap and effective cure for something that costs $2 and it's not

00:24:03.360 going to get promoted and it's not going to get talked about.

00:24:05.700 Because a new drug has to be developed and a new treatment has to be developed.

00:24:12.180 And instead of focusing on a ton of different things that could have stopped people from

00:24:16.220 dying, let's just take the research aside.

00:24:19.320 Let's just take the part that America could be responsible for the pandemic in the first 0.83

00:24:24.100 place and that absolutely tragic crime.

00:24:29.220 The way that the public health establishment, in many ways run by Anthony Fauci, and I can

00:24:36.920 explain that a little bit more, had one focus and that was to develop a vaccine and that

00:24:45.040 people like Bob Redfield would tell you that it wasn't even the vaccine that could be the

00:24:50.740 safest.

00:24:51.320 It wasn't the vaccine that could be the most reliable.

00:24:54.040 It was the vaccine that was going to be an mRNA vaccine.

00:24:58.260 And that really was the core of influence inside Warp Speed.

00:25:02.880 It was Moderna and Pfizer and they got the first bite of the apple.

00:25:07.060 And J&J, of course, and AstraZeneca, they also were part of it.

00:25:10.580 But this mRNA technology, Fauci had been talking about it for years.

00:25:15.800 And it initially was for cancer.

00:25:17.820 It didn't work.

00:25:18.540 And they had shifted about four or five years before the pandemic into developing a pan-coronavirus,

00:25:25.080 pan-influenza vaccine.

00:25:26.860 And a lot of that research was happening in places like Wuhan.

00:25:30.620 And so it was, you know, almost a reverse engineered scenario where the number one cure for this

00:25:38.560 virus was going to be an mRNA vaccine, despite it, you know, the science or, you know, regardless

00:25:44.840 of whatever the testing or the safety, that's what had to happen.

00:25:49.160 But the nature of an mRNA vaccine as distinct from conventional vaccines is risky.

00:25:55.960 It's very risky.

00:25:57.140 And it's also a miracle of science, right?

00:26:00.320 It's that we can teach our bodies how to fight these things and this kind of, you know,

00:26:05.040 taking vaccine technology to the next level, you know.

00:26:08.440 But I mean, I think a layman would say correctly that in doing that, you're potentially tampering

00:26:13.600 with the formula of life.

00:26:15.260 And we're not that intelligent as a life force.

00:26:20.680 I mean, we use about 10% of our brains.

00:26:22.720 So to think that we could manage the fallout or the blowback in species that are a billion

00:26:29.080 years old, I think is extremely pompous and insane of humans to think that.

00:26:35.720 And that's what scientists also believed who didn't get the airtime and who many of

00:26:41.580 them, their careers suffered when they challenged Fauci on this premise that this gain of function

00:26:46.620 work, you know, forget about the vaccines, which are the flip side.

00:26:50.860 That just the gain of function work alone is playing master of the universe.

00:26:54.280 Yes.

00:26:54.600 And the idea of an mRNA vaccine itself sort of raises a lot of questions.

00:26:59.340 Are you sure that's a good idea?

00:27:00.620 I mean, what if it actually, what if it does change your DNA?

00:27:02.960 That's not crazy to think that.

00:27:04.620 It did.

00:27:05.520 Yeah.

00:27:06.020 And that's the scary thing is that it did.

00:27:09.240 It did.

00:27:10.040 We can say that.

00:27:10.760 We can say now that there's enough data on the table to say now that the mRNA vaccines

00:27:15.500 changed people's DNA and even worse, there was-

00:27:20.280 Okay, so what are the-

00:27:21.140 Oh, let's just stop right there.

00:27:23.020 That, you know, I remember hosting guests who suggested that early and were like banished

00:27:28.940 from public life.

00:27:30.320 Yeah.

00:27:30.820 All but arrested for saying that now we know it's true, but do we know the ramifications

00:27:34.660 of that?

00:27:35.240 Well, it's interesting, you know, that we're coming to this four or five years later.

00:27:40.740 I think if you look at a pattern of horrible scientific accidents and catastrophes, bad

00:27:47.740 policy, bad products, it takes usually a decade, 20 years, 50 years.

00:27:53.760 You'll see in the film, it's interesting you brought up Salk.

00:27:57.040 Salk had a competitor that was the oral polio vaccine, and they were both racing to complete

00:28:03.420 trials at the same time.

00:28:05.320 And there's data that suggests that that scientist, Hilary Kroposky, who was in the Belgian

00:28:10.600 Congo, was using chimpanzee kidneys to propagate his polio vaccine against the concerns of

00:28:19.520 a lot of scientists who worried that viruses could go from chimpanzees to humans really easily.

00:28:25.360 We have very similar DNA.

00:28:27.520 And he did those trials in 57 to 59.

00:28:31.480 And the first articulated outbreak of HIV is in 1959 in the same city that he did those trials.

00:28:41.360 And therein lies the most complex, hard-to-fathom, you know, conundrum, right?

00:28:50.940 You have people trying to save the world, racing to save the world, trying to cure polio.

00:28:55.440 And they unintentionally cause another pandemic, potentially.

00:29:00.800 And fast forward 75 years, and it happened again.

00:29:07.540 And that is really what this story is about.

00:29:11.460 I mean, you can't play God with this stuff.

00:29:14.160 I mean, these things are, there's no way to model all the blowback.

00:29:18.920 Well, they're living organisms, for one thing.

00:29:20.640 They're not static.

00:29:21.280 So, you can't fully understand them.

00:29:24.720 You can't.

00:29:25.360 And that when you, when you layer in arrogance, and you layer in unchecked power, and you layer

00:29:32.000 in lack of transparency and oversight, the amount of damage that can be done from this

00:29:38.740 work is exponential.

00:29:40.900 It's exponential at that point, you know?

00:29:43.760 When you have people who haven't been challenged for 20 years on their decisions, and who have

00:29:49.240 amassed so much power and just put yes-men around them.

00:29:52.980 That's what the NIAID was.

00:29:54.760 That's what the NIH was.

00:29:56.300 You got to remember, out of anyone in HHS, the overarching organization, Fauci was the

00:30:02.340 most senior person in that entire organization.

00:30:05.040 And in many ways, I think he was seen as the most powerful person in that organization.

00:30:10.020 And so, if you look at the story of COVID, you've got the CDC director, Bob Redfield, who's

00:30:15.400 known Fauci since the AIDS pandemic.

00:30:18.280 And he is completely and totally marginalized and iced out of the conversation.

00:30:23.620 And the entire time when Fauci is out in public, he's saying, I'm just following the guidance

00:30:28.620 of the CDC.

00:30:30.280 And anyone who had inside knowledge knew that Anthony Fauci was the one who had the most influence

00:30:35.220 on that guidance, and that the CDC director wasn't even in the room.

00:30:39.740 And if you understand American bureaucracy, you know how these alphabet agencies work.

00:30:45.100 And it was almost strategic that his title was in such a buried organization in the middle

00:30:53.100 of the stack.

00:30:54.440 He'd have a lot more scrutiny if he was the head of HHS.

00:30:57.440 But for 50 years, he's had a title in a buried alphabet organization institute within HHS,

00:31:04.940 under the NIH.

00:31:07.460 After Cheney gave him these resources, it was understood that Cheney was the most, that,

00:31:12.820 excuse me, after Cheney gave Fauci these resources, it was understood in those institutes that Anthony

00:31:19.540 Fauci was the most powerful person in the NIH.

00:31:22.580 He had a direct line to the White House.

00:31:25.220 He had security clearance.

00:31:27.460 He had a line to Congress.

00:31:29.660 The NIH director wasn't doing anything like that.

00:31:32.280 The HHS director wasn't doing anything like that.

00:31:35.540 Fast forward to COVID, the HHS director came in with the administration, former pharmaceutical

00:31:40.900 executive, Alex Azar, worked for Eli Lilly.

00:31:45.680 Okay?

00:31:46.240 And you've got Bob Redfield, who's got a lot of integrity and believed that there was a lab leak.

00:31:52.460 And within weeks of having conversations directly with Fauci about that, he found himself locked

00:31:58.360 out of the room.

00:32:00.340 And it's very convenient that Fauci appear to be this little old man who is all about helping

00:32:08.780 people, and he's a scientist and science first, and he's a doctor even.

00:32:13.600 He never really cared for patients.

00:32:15.720 We saw in Congress, one of the questions that was directed at him during his hearing was,

00:32:22.060 you know, did you treat any patients during COVID?

00:32:24.300 Were you there?

00:32:24.960 Did you intubate people?

00:32:26.140 Did you watch them die?

00:32:27.160 Of course he didn't.

00:32:29.920 And the truth about Anthony Fauci is a lot harder to digest.

00:32:39.180 And I think a lot of people were onto it for years, but half the country believes he's a hero still.

00:32:45.860 How did that happen?

00:32:47.640 I've interviewed a lot of documentary filmmakers.

00:32:50.460 I've never met one able to explain his subject matter as clearly as you are.

00:32:54.780 So thank you for that.

00:32:57.160 I just want to go back to something you said at the beginning.

00:33:00.380 You said that COVID first made an appearance outside the lab in August of 2019.

00:33:10.220 So there's two narratives.

00:33:12.220 There's the narrative that we've been given for the last four years, and there's the actual

00:33:18.360 fact pattern and what is the closest to the truth that we currently have.

00:33:23.040 And if you take it chronologically and you ignore the media that came out that announced the pandemic

00:33:31.960 was happening and that the source was a wet market, and you just look at the facts that even

00:33:38.260 existed on American intelligence servers at the time, that there's more than enough proof and evidence to show that some sort of incident happened at the Wuhan lab in either August or September.

00:33:53.160 There was a push to redo the HVAC system in the lab, there was a transition from civilian to military control of the lab.

00:34:04.500 There was the, they erased their entire database of coronavirus samples of all their different collections

00:34:13.060 of different coronaviruses that summer, all happening in sequence, all in the early fall, late summer of 2019.

00:34:24.020 And then in October of 2019, there is a massive Olympic style event in Wuhan where teams from around the world, from armed forces from around the world, like in America, our Navy, our Army, the Marines sent teams to Wuhan to compete.

00:34:43.840 And this was an event that had been scheduled for years, it was a diplomatic event using sports and athleticism to bring different countries together.

00:34:53.920 And at that point, Wuhan was partially shut down, that there is satellite photos of overcrowded hospitals, that there were drills happening at the airport that were pandemic preparedness drills, and that they were called drills, but really they were, I think, active response to an actual pandemic outbreak, an actual leak of a virus.

00:35:18.980 And this intelligence all existed before the world military games, and before we sent our armed forces to compete in this event, and we allowed our allies to send their teams to compete in this event.

00:35:37.800 And that event in October of 2019 was the original super spreader.

00:35:42.080 And what people, I think, don't know about COVID, but that the researchers knew about COVID, was that it was incredibly contagious, and that it has up to a five-day dormancy period, and on top of that, a lot of people are asymptomatic.

00:35:58.020 So, you could have an event like the World Military Games, and knowing what we know about this virus now, by the time the virus was reported, the virus had likely spread around the world multiple times.

00:36:13.360 And I know we all have friends who are like, well, I was sick in January, and I was sicker than I've ever been.

00:36:19.360 People say they were sick like that in October in places like Washington, in November, Washington State.

00:36:25.060 My wife got sick in November in Spain.

00:36:28.060 Mm-hmm.

00:36:29.240 And so, that narrative checks out.

00:36:32.720 And all that happens after that, leading up to the point where basically the emergency room chaos of Wuhan leaks, there's a doctor who posts some stuff on WeChat.

00:36:45.040 And he was immediately arrested and told to erase all of his stuff off of social media because this is the way that the Chinese government was trying to contain the story.

00:37:00.580 And then when it became known that he was a doctor who was trying to help people, the Chinese ended up giving him an award.

00:37:09.880 And a month later, he died.

00:37:12.580 And there are a lot of other suspicious deaths in China.

00:37:15.480 Of COVID?

00:37:15.740 Of COVID, yeah.

00:37:18.420 And so, you know, I hope I'm explaining this in a way that's digestible.

00:37:26.540 I find that when you look this in the face and you really see it, you have to remember that the rest of the world hasn't had that privilege or opportunity to understand how damning the evidence is.

00:37:41.160 And how ugly the story is and how many pieces of evidence that have existed for years now.

00:37:49.600 I mean, there is a – what drove me to make this film, I think, and fall into it was, okay, I could buy that Anthony Fauci is not honest about everything.

00:38:00.340 I could buy that the United States government does nefarious things and potentially was funding research they shouldn't have been funding.

00:38:07.520 I could buy that the pharmaceutical industry would want to cover up a story like that because, after all, they were going to make billions of dollars from the countermeasure of the vaccine.

00:38:16.280 What struck me the most was me as a conscious sort of anti-corruption, looks, reads between the lines, doesn't trust media sources, had existed in this bubble where even I was not aware that there was a grant proposal to do this work two years before the pandemic happened and that it had been reported on for two years.

00:38:41.480 And I didn't even know.

00:39:11.480 I've learned that papers that I've learned that papers that I've trusted my whole life, like the New York Times and the Washington Post were, in some ways, the largest distributor of state-sponsored propaganda in the country.

00:39:23.560 And that they were republishing studies that had no scientific merit and putting them on the front page, some of them before they even hit peer review.

00:39:32.680 Who was feeding them those stories?

00:39:34.540 And then when a writer wants to write about something that isn't a bat, a pangolin, or a raccoon dog, and that is more related to an apparent cover-up and a lab leak, espionage, a bunch of things that are extremely newsworthy, those writers were told they couldn't by their editors.

00:39:54.520 But here I am, just a civilian, like everybody else, believing that the news I'm getting is the news.

00:40:00.800 And, you know, I want to give credit to people on the right who have broken with the mainstream media and live in a world where they feel like they need to question everything now.

00:40:12.320 And I felt I already lived in that world.

00:40:15.940 And here I was, completely seduced by mistruths, misinformation, propaganda, for years.

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00:41:25.120 I know the feeling very well.

00:41:42.960 I know the feeling.

00:41:44.840 Yeah, I mean, I didn't understand.

00:41:46.580 I still don't understand a lot of it.

00:41:48.300 I have many more questions for you, but I went on the basis of instinct, and it was just clear that there was lying.

00:41:55.880 There had never been an effective COVID coronavirus vaccine, and there had been a disaster with the previous coronavirus vaccine.

00:42:03.500 I remember that very well.

00:42:04.980 And so I just thought, you know, I don't know what this is, but it doesn't smell good.

00:42:09.760 I'm not putting it in my body.

00:42:11.220 But I had no idea that it could be this dark.

00:42:14.920 I agree with you completely.

00:42:16.480 So let's just get back to – I just want to tie up one.

00:42:22.580 Yeah, I'm sorry.

00:42:23.580 No, no, no, no, no.

00:42:24.520 I'm sorry for your editor.

00:42:26.620 No, no, we're not editing this.

00:42:28.700 Oh, okay.

00:42:28.980 No, you're telling a wonderfully coherent story.

00:42:32.000 Really, I've never seen, as I said, a filmmaker explain a thesis this succinctly and in such a linear way.

00:42:39.540 It's amazing.

00:42:40.380 There's just a lot.

00:42:41.500 But I just want to go back very quickly to the question of the mRNA virus vaccine changing –

00:42:47.240 Freudian slip.

00:42:47.940 Right, exactly.

00:42:50.240 Changing people's DNA.

00:42:51.980 I mean, that is – that feels like an underappreciated headline that, you know, could have – will have civilizational effects.

00:43:01.120 Do we have any sense of what that means?

00:43:04.060 Well, you know, we don't.

00:43:07.420 Can I say one of the smartest people I know – I was legit much smarter than I am – said to me, people who take the Vax are different.

00:43:14.620 I'm just telling you that. 1.00

00:43:15.760 And I said, you know, you're a lunatic. 0.99

00:43:18.740 And he said, they're different. 1.00

00:43:20.060 I can tell.

00:43:20.480 I can feel it.

00:43:21.420 They're different.

00:43:21.980 And they're more passive, for one thing.

00:43:24.520 And they're more likely to sort of go along with things that, before vaccinated, they would have known were not true.

00:43:31.340 It saps your will.

00:43:32.480 It changes you.

00:43:33.080 I noticed this.

00:43:34.600 And I didn't buy it, really, because how would a vaccine change you as a person?

00:43:40.180 But I never forgot it.

00:43:41.820 And so I do wonder, like, are there indications?

00:43:46.160 There's a lot of indications.

00:43:46.660 There's a lot of indications.

00:43:48.700 But I'm going to reveal something that other scientists also believe that is a lot scarier.

00:43:57.960 And I think a lot more scary for folks that protested the vaccine, didn't put it in their body and think that they're better off.

00:44:06.700 The virus does things like this to you.

00:44:07.920 The virus does things like this to you.

00:44:10.860 Yes.

00:44:11.220 And everyone on the planet has gotten the virus multiple times.

00:44:14.640 And that the virus likely has fragments from HIV in it.

00:44:18.800 It has fragments from other viruses.

00:44:21.980 It creates neurological damage.

00:44:24.980 It creates damage in your heart, your liver.

00:44:27.500 It affects every part of your body.

00:44:30.220 It creates autoimmune disorders that are hard to even detect.

00:44:33.760 They're so pervasive in people's life, little things that if you look back, you'd be like, oh, yeah, I sneeze about this thing all of a sudden.

00:44:42.040 I have allergies for this that I never had.

00:44:43.980 Or women whose menstrual cycles changed, not simply from the vaccine, but from the virus.

00:44:50.020 People who still have long COVID right now.

00:44:52.820 And long COVID is not some phenomenon that's, you know, obscure.

00:44:58.640 It's directly tied to the synthetic nature of the virus.

00:45:02.680 Did you get COVID?

00:45:03.940 I got COVID.

00:45:04.920 It felt different.

00:45:06.680 Yeah.

00:45:07.660 It was different.

00:45:08.940 And, you know, what's interesting is I was, I got the first two shots.

00:45:13.180 And after that, I was like, this is, you know, I'm not boosting.

00:45:16.840 I'm not doing it.

00:45:17.500 This has gone too far now.

00:45:19.820 And I believed that I was an asymptomatic person and that I wasn't really going to get COVID in the first place.

00:45:27.780 I was going to be asymptomatic.

00:45:29.360 And, you know, a lot of people are asymptomatic.

00:45:32.380 And what's so troubling about the virus is it has such different effects for different people.

00:45:38.940 And so, for the most part, it strikes the elderly, the immunocompromised. 0.99

00:45:45.720 But you could have a genetic composition that makes you die from lung complications and appear to be a healthy person.

00:45:53.140 You could have a genetic complication that makes you die of a sudden heart attack.

00:45:57.060 And even worse, you could have a genetic composition that now, two years later, you're learning that you have a rapid stage three or four cancer.

00:46:06.620 And I say that because everyone can assume or accept that the vaccine could cause that problem.

00:46:14.080 But we need to open up the idea that the virus itself can cause those problems.

00:46:19.640 That is how ugly this virus is.

00:46:22.300 And the type of brain fog, complicity, you know, we all got a hit over the head with this virus.

00:46:28.080 I don't know if you remember when you got it.

00:46:30.440 I experienced fatigue and brain fog like I've never experienced in my life.

00:46:35.020 And there's certain people who now have...

00:46:37.660 It's sapped your life force.

00:46:39.020 Your will to live.

00:46:40.300 Your will to live.

00:46:42.300 And...

00:46:42.980 I've been depressed one day in my entire life.

00:46:45.240 55 years of one day of depression.

00:46:47.520 And it was when I had COVID.

00:46:49.220 That's impressive.

00:46:51.100 I wish I had whatever you're eating for breakfast or...

00:46:54.240 Nicotine.

00:46:54.460 Yeah.

00:46:54.840 That helps.

00:46:55.140 Good.

00:46:56.760 But...

00:46:57.400 But I never understood what people meant when they said, I feel depressed.

00:47:00.280 I've been sad, of course, many times, which I think is healthy.

00:47:05.560 But I've never had a feeling of hopelessness or true bleak nihilistic despair ever.

00:47:11.340 Not one time in my life until Thanksgiving 2020 when I had COVID.

00:47:16.840 And I couldn't believe it.

00:47:17.840 I was worried.

00:47:19.780 Yeah.

00:47:20.220 When I got it for the first time after being vaccinated, I said, this feels completely different than any other virus.

00:47:30.280 I've ever had.

00:47:30.960 I don't get sick much.

00:47:31.900 I get sick, like, once every two years.

00:47:34.460 And I was very sick.

00:47:36.240 And then in the middle of the night, I started having trouble breathing.

00:47:39.760 And I was like, wow.

00:47:42.840 This is scary.

00:47:44.700 And this was all before I made the film.

00:47:47.160 This was before I got the call to...

00:47:49.280 If I was interested in investigating Fauci.

00:47:51.520 So, within a couple months, you know, before making this film, I had experienced COVID.

00:47:57.920 And really was the sickest I had ever been from the virus.

00:48:01.280 And I went.

00:48:02.320 And I was scared.

00:48:04.140 So, I got Paxlovid.

00:48:06.660 And I ended up getting better and then getting sick again about two weeks later.

00:48:11.980 And it didn't really feel like a great remedy.

00:48:14.800 It felt more almost psychological.

00:48:17.240 Yes.

00:48:17.560 That it's going to help me.

00:48:18.760 And, you know, my symptoms were reduced.

00:48:21.540 But then I got sick again.

00:48:23.820 And then something crazy.

00:48:25.780 I'm a healthy 40-year-old man.

00:48:28.420 And I don't have any other medical complications.

00:48:31.560 And I have, as I said, a very strong immune system.

00:48:34.120 I only get sick rarely.

00:48:36.040 Once every couple years.

00:48:37.900 I got shingles right after I had COVID and took Paxlovid.

00:48:41.940 And I was like, how is this possible?

00:48:46.080 I mean, yeah, stress, all these other things.

00:48:48.920 But I don't fit the sort of bill for that.

00:48:53.920 You're not Edie.

00:48:54.760 No.

00:48:55.000 No.

00:48:55.640 And I found out that two of my cousins, who are the same age as me, had just gotten COVID and had gotten shingles.

00:49:03.240 And I went online and I read that a lot of young people who get COVID are getting shingles after they get COVID.

00:49:10.220 And I'm sure people listening to this are going to say, yeah, me too.

00:49:12.900 That's crazy.

00:49:14.900 It's not a coincidence.

00:49:16.560 This virus directly targets your immune system and does things that are hard to even compute.

00:49:23.940 I mean, some of them are so varied in people, they're as varied as our DNA.

00:49:28.400 And I had had that experience right before making the movie.

00:49:33.400 So I was very, I think, open-minded to the idea that everything I was told was not necessarily the truth.

00:49:40.840 Is, because it was engineered and because genetics play a determinative role in illness and our response to viruses and our response to everything,

00:49:52.200 is it conceivable that, whether by engineering or not, that certain genetic makeups are more susceptible to illness?

00:50:02.900 Yeah, and I think if the Chinese were actively constructing a bioweapon, that you would look at America's general health condition 1.00

00:50:14.820 and that this virus disproportionately affects people with diabetes, people with heart issues.

00:50:22.740 Because we live on a very poor diet here in the United States.

00:50:27.040 We're one of the richest, if not the richest country in the world.

00:50:30.340 And the quality of food we're eating is, it's the opposite of what we should be eating.

00:50:37.140 We're eating poison every day.

00:50:39.440 And that's effectively permitted and lobbied for and we don't regulate it.

00:50:44.560 And so if you look at that from an outside looking in and know that we're in such poor health,

00:50:50.240 it would make sense to make a virus that targets a certain genetic composition.

00:50:54.640 IBMI.

00:50:55.300 Sure.

00:50:56.180 And in fact, this was documented.

00:50:58.920 This is, there was intelligence briefs that came out, you know, after the State Department report, a year after the pandemic.

00:51:06.300 And those intelligence reports show years of knowledge about the Chinese bioweapons program.

00:51:12.020 And the question is, how did we develop years of knowledge about the Chinese bioweapons program?

00:51:18.640 Because we were effectively funding and supplying the Chinese bioweapons program with our most talented scientists 0.98

00:51:26.940 who were giving them technologies they didn't already have.

00:51:30.740 And the exchange was so that we could spy on them.

00:51:33.520 And if that isn't a completely insane proposition, I don't know what is.

00:51:38.740 And we knew at that point, and maybe what caused such panic and alarm was that the Chinese were experimenting with things that were very, very questionable and dangerous. 0.90

00:51:52.140 They had genetically engineered a human embryo so that the child was born immune to smallpox and polio, and I believe HIV.

00:52:02.480 And that there were programs in place to understand the Chinese genome as it pertained to viruses to protect against viruses that were targeting the Chinese genome.

00:52:16.840 And, of course, if you look at the flip side of that, would be to make viruses that do not target the Chinese genome.

00:52:25.180 And I want to remind people who—

00:52:27.420 It makes it easier when you have an ethnostate. 0.98

00:52:28.900 Sure.

00:52:30.160 It does.

00:52:31.400 And, you know, I think we have to remember that we are the frontrunner of those technologies.

00:52:36.780 So whatever the Chinese are doing, they're likely sifting that technology from us. 0.99

00:52:43.820 And the United States is not off the hook in crazy research.

00:52:47.680 And Anthony Fauci was pedal to the metal on this stuff for two decades.

00:52:52.540 So do we know whether the virus escaped intentionally or by accident?

00:52:59.100 There are some breaks right now that are happening.

00:53:03.380 And I think right when the new administration gets in and a lot of folks who are very concerned with this issue and passionate about exposing the truth, we're going to know a lot more really quickly.

00:53:14.300 But there's some really concerning stuff that was just released that DOD officials had a briefing about the potential accident and the virus in October of 2019.

00:53:27.580 So previously, the intelligence was labeled sort of unanalyzed, that it was just on a server and we didn't see it, which, of course, is extremely suspicious.

00:53:38.040 I mean, we can see how many nose hairs someone has from a satellite at this point.

00:53:43.660 I mean, the idea that we wouldn't be able to sift one of the largest, most troubling signals that you could ever see on an intelligence server and have an alert set up for it just is—it's illogical.

00:53:54.220 It doesn't make any sense, but we now know that they actually did meet and they did discuss this incident.

00:54:01.280 And we also know that the DOD was very privy to a proposal to create this virus.

00:54:08.300 It was called the Diffuse Proposal.

00:54:10.320 It was submitted in 2018.

00:54:12.500 It's taken four years for us to learn that 15 other U.S. agencies saw that proposal before the pandemic.

00:54:20.420 Think about that.

00:54:21.120 So, I mean, that doesn't prove, but it certainly suggests, you know, an intentional act.

00:54:27.220 It does, and then the part that is also very troubling that people whose anonymity I should keep, who have security clearance, and who did not disclose this to me in a very explicit way, but who signaled that they believe this to be the case,

00:54:49.300 is that American scientists using American research dollars at American institutions and with the federal government created a proposal partnering with a Chinese scientist at the Wuhan lab, Xi Jingli, who was also a Chinese military scientist.

00:55:11.320 Yes, it was a military lab, effectively.

00:55:12.940 It was a military lab, and that many of the scientists, even who were coming to the United States, had dual affiliation with the military program.

00:55:21.200 And it is believed now that the Chinese funded the Diffuse Proposal. 0.84

00:55:26.340 What would stop them from funding the proposal?

00:55:28.740 We gave them all the technology.

00:55:30.220 We outlined what we were looking to do.

00:55:32.000 Now, if you read that proposal cover to cover, you'd have to be really, I think, scientifically, you know, knowledgeable and astute to understand what they were trying to do.

00:55:42.740 But the reality is what they were trying to do didn't make any sense in this proposal.

00:55:45.640 It was already subterfuge.

00:55:46.960 They were trying to go and take a virus that had never been seen before from the jungle, from areas like Yunnan province where these viruses can jump out of nature and cross over into humans, take them into the lab and put a fern cleavage site into the spike protein and play with this part of the virus called DC sign or this pathway,

00:56:10.440 which targets our immune cells and tells us not to fight the virus until it reaches our lymph nodes and that we're being infected directly in our immune system.

00:56:19.520 And the proposal says how to do all of this.

00:56:22.320 And the purpose of the proposal, apparently, is to see what the virus will do.

00:56:27.020 And then the thing that the takeaway at the end of the proposal is that that they want to make a bat vaccine and go and they want to spray it in a cave so that a virus like this doesn't come out of nature. 0.87

00:56:39.160 And so anyone who's really looking critically, knowing what we know now, that part seems like bullshit and that the real purpose was to create a bioweapon that was very effective or to at least continue research on the spike protein and aspects of the spike protein that hadn't been resolved yet.

00:57:01.240 And when I say that is that the NIAID and Fauci was funding research about fern cleavage sites and the spike protein because all of it was relevant to the mRNA vaccine because it was the part that they hadn't really figured out yet.

00:57:17.240 The fern cleavage site causes this toxic reaction and there was research into it and Ralph Baric had done research into it.

00:57:25.360 This is stuff that predates the pandemic by years.

00:57:29.140 And so this proposal, in many ways, was probably a continuation of that type of work.

00:57:36.360 But the proposal was also a cookbook on how to make a really dangerous coronavirus, one that would be devilish and one that would be worse than any that had ever been seen.

00:57:47.300 And the logic, I guess, is, you know, we got to know what's coming and prepare for it.

00:57:51.900 The irony is we weren't that prepared and a lot of people died.

00:57:58.140 And the proposal itself says that effective countermeasures for a virus like this are currently chloroquine and remdesivir.

00:58:06.740 Yes, the proposal in 2018 acknowledges chloroquine as an effective method for treating this type of coronavirus.

00:58:15.100 And so you have all these different reasons why this proposal does not see the light of day for years.

00:58:22.720 And thank God for a Marine in DARPA who finds it on an area of that server that is not classified,

00:58:34.660 which makes one believe that someone in the classified area of that program wanted this to be exposed.

00:58:42.440 And if Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Murphy did not expose this to the public, we may have never found out that this proposal existed.

00:58:51.800 Mind you, 15 U.S. agencies saw the proposal and it was pitched to them two years before the pandemic happened.

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01:00:09.780 The big question here is why would the United States be working directly with what most

01:00:33.200 people assume is its main enemy, China, to create a virus that disproportionately hurts 0.97

01:00:40.760 the United States and then once caught doing it, covered it up on behalf of China.

01:00:45.720 And that cover-up continues.

01:00:47.060 There are no, I mean, the economic cost alone of the United States is hard to calculate,

01:00:50.460 but it's, you know, biggest ever.

01:00:52.460 And there's no call for reparations from China for this.

01:00:55.660 Yeah, I think it's a head-scratcher, right?

01:01:00.680 But if you follow the money, this was the largest transfer of wealth in modern history.

01:01:06.820 There was a moment in the pandemic when literally billions of dollars a second were moving from

01:01:12.900 the poor to the rich.

01:01:14.940 And anyone under a certain income bracket, no matter how you cut it, they lost.

01:01:20.160 Yeah, sure.

01:01:20.840 PPP loans.

01:01:21.960 Do you own a house?

01:01:23.480 I did at the time, yeah.

01:01:25.120 Yeah.

01:01:25.960 Most people in their 30s now, I guess you said you're 40, but they're not buying houses.

01:01:32.420 No.

01:01:32.920 Like this is a renting society post-COVID.

01:01:35.620 Sure.

01:01:37.120 And-

01:01:38.400 It completely transformed the social structure of the United States forever.

01:01:42.060 In ways that we don't connect as fluidly as we should.

01:01:47.320 Right.

01:01:47.540 So there is a nexus of tech companies, virus research,

01:01:54.520 pharmaceutical companies, biotech, biotech, but even straight tech, right?

01:02:01.000 Metabiota is also owned by Google, okay?

01:02:04.720 And if you are going to have, say, an effective bioweapons attack, you're going to need to

01:02:09.880 control information.

01:02:10.780 And what I think a lot of people don't understand is the biggest client of all of these tech

01:02:16.240 companies is the United States.

01:02:17.540 Always, yeah.

01:02:18.380 So before you see the announcement about the microchip or the new development, the US government has

01:02:23.680 likely already purchased $5, $10 billion worth of the technology and had it a year before,

01:02:29.440 and you don't know about that.

01:02:31.760 And there's privileges that come with that, obviously, because you can leverage, the government

01:02:36.920 can leverage tech companies, as we saw with COVID, and can access data.

01:02:41.160 Yeah, you know, and this is carryover from 9-11, you know, the Patriot Act, alive and well,

01:02:46.860 you know, tech companies at that point, I think were primitive compared to what they are now.

01:02:51.480 I mean, I don't even think in 2001, we understood how online we would be living our life.

01:02:57.320 But COVID magnified that by 10.

01:03:00.800 I didn't even know what Zoom was before COVID.

01:03:03.240 I mean, Skype was a thing, and it was like, why this is, okay, FaceTiming, like, sure.

01:03:09.740 But like, our entire society moved to a remote existence.

01:03:15.720 So that benefited the companies that created those technologies.

01:03:20.440 I mean, Zoom stock went, you know, through the roof.

01:03:23.160 It benefited all this entire ecosystem of data.

01:03:26.960 And it also really benefited the intelligence community and others who could sift data that

01:03:32.640 they weren't privy to.

01:03:33.780 You and I are no longer having a conversation at a coffee shop.

01:03:36.620 We're having one on Zoom.

01:03:39.160 And, you know, that's one kind of gain, small, compared to the other gains.

01:03:46.120 Let's just look at the pharmaceutical companies.

01:03:48.460 Over $120 billion between all of them in the first couple years of the vaccines going public.

01:03:56.520 And the stock market, you know, it was a perfect example of the elite, which I think Fauci really

01:04:05.300 represents.

01:04:05.980 And that is very common in D.C.

01:04:07.540 It doesn't matter what party.

01:04:09.680 The people like yourself who know D.C.

01:04:12.420 know that when you make it to D.C., it's a party.

01:04:16.320 And the people back home aren't invited.

01:04:18.860 It's not about you being a Democrat.

01:04:20.280 It's not about you being a Republican.

01:04:23.280 D.C. is an insular system and that it is an elite system and that the most, you know,

01:04:30.060 deep-pocketed lobbyists and people trying to influence policy, forces from outside the

01:04:36.280 country having, you know, offices there.

01:04:39.340 And, of course, America's largest corporations, you know, engaging in whatever they can to have

01:04:47.660 the law favor their interests.

01:04:50.080 That doesn't favor any constituents.

01:04:52.860 That doesn't have anything to do with what people voted on.

01:04:55.320 And everybody's very collegial with each other.

01:04:57.600 You know, there's a lot of mudslinging on social media and there's a lot of mudslinging on TV. 0.58

01:05:02.480 But in the halls of Congress, everybody's very collegial with each other.

01:05:07.200 Everyone knows the game that's being played.

01:05:09.660 And I think that it's an illusion in the truth of what's actually happening most of the time

01:05:17.700 is policies and actions that hurt the poor, that weaken the middle class, and that ingratiate

01:05:26.820 and further the wealth of the wealthy.

01:05:30.300 And maybe that's my progressive left-leaning politics coming through.

01:05:35.980 I don't consider myself a political being anymore.

01:05:38.480 I think politics itself is sinister.

01:05:41.040 I don't think you can be a politician in America and not be compromised in some way

01:05:45.820 because at some point, you've had to ignore a truth in order to promote yourself to get

01:05:50.960 to the position you're in.

01:05:52.380 But that's the system we created.

01:05:54.820 And COVID was a microcosm of every weakness that already existed in that system.

01:06:00.520 And so you have the worst event that ever happened, yet our stock market was on a sugar

01:06:05.460 high for years.

01:06:06.320 People got rich during COVID just from their stock positions.

01:06:10.780 Well, who has stock positions?

01:06:12.660 Not the guy working at the sanitation, you know, not the teacher.

01:06:19.260 You know, it was great for wealthy people who, oh my God, my kids can come with me on vacation.

01:06:24.040 I can just take my work call from a golf course and the nannies are covering it. 0.98

01:06:29.400 If you lived in East Baltimore and you were African-American and you were in a school district

01:06:34.520 that was struggling, you didn't even log on for two years.

01:06:37.720 We lost a whole generation of kids to remote learning.

01:06:41.340 Those schools should have never been closed.

01:06:43.900 And yet, you brought up all these places in the country that had, thank you, Dr. Fauci signs.

01:06:50.940 Well, what do they all have in common?

01:06:52.740 These are upper middle class parts of the country.

01:06:54.780 100%.

01:06:55.360 Poor people did not get anything from COVID.

01:06:58.980 And if they continue to wave the flag of who they believe their political hero is, guess what?

01:07:05.980 There's no politician who's really doing much for the poor.

01:07:08.880 There's some talking about doing stuff for the poor.

01:07:10.980 But what actually trickles down to the poor is very, very small.

01:07:14.980 And they are getting more and more disenfranchised.

01:07:18.420 And when you talked about reorganizing society, that was one of the biggest takeaways.

01:07:23.380 They are more and more disempowered now, the poor of America, than they've ever been.

01:07:27.680 Couldn't agree more.

01:07:28.300 And there are a lot more of them than there ever have been, ever, at any point in our history.

01:07:33.380 I'm very aware of that.

01:07:34.960 So the question of why does Washington continue to cover it up might be answered just by noting because they're the beneficiaries of it.

01:07:45.940 And they've got something to hide.

01:07:47.260 So, like, why would they?

01:07:49.360 It's working, right?

01:07:50.540 It's working.

01:07:51.100 Okay.

01:07:51.340 Media went up.

01:07:52.500 Tech went up.

01:07:53.380 Yep.

01:07:53.580 Stock market itself went up.

01:07:55.280 You got an election with an incredible turnout.

01:07:58.180 Yep.

01:07:58.420 I mean, what's better to get people to come to the polls than racism, you know, a vaccine they shouldn't be taking, some kind of regime change that's happening illegitimately?

01:08:12.160 I mean, we have to remember that if you really take a bird's eye view of the system, it benefits both parties.

01:08:19.560 It's not simply like the Republicans go and do a strategy that divides people and it just benefits Republicans.

01:08:25.960 Oh, I agree.

01:08:26.280 This is a self-affirming loop.

01:08:29.440 I agree.

01:08:30.080 I mean, that's what, in the end, the trans stuff does is it does serve both parties, actually.

01:08:36.640 Totally.

01:08:37.100 And I think the race hatred that has been imposed on us, it's not organic, does the same.

01:08:43.900 It's all intentional.

01:08:45.580 It hurts both sides, too.

01:08:47.780 It hurts both sides.

01:08:49.040 Well, it destroys your society, ultimately.

01:08:51.000 But it definitely distracts people from, you know, other things.

01:08:55.260 It's, you know, go hate each other.

01:08:56.740 Leave us alone as we loot it.

01:08:58.920 This isn't new.

01:08:59.760 This is Bacon's Rebellion.

01:09:01.120 This happened at the end of the 1700s.

01:09:03.680 It's when black and white slaves united and took over Charlestown, Virginia. 0.85

01:09:09.220 Okay, because the British were giving them too much taxes and they wanted more protection against Native Americans.

01:09:17.420 It's a very ugly story.

01:09:19.380 They successfully took over a colony for two years and the plantation class looked at that and said, 1.00

01:09:25.660 we have a serious problem right here because if they realize who the real enemy is and who's getting rich off their backs, we're fucked. 0.95

01:09:33.960 And the whole concept of chattel slavery and three-fifths of a man and white people being better than black people was perfected at that moment because it's incredibly effective at dividing the poor right down the middle. 0.99

01:09:50.080 And look at when Martin Luther King got assassinated.

01:09:52.480 He was at the point where he was focusing on wealth disparity and programs for the poor.

01:09:58.160 That's when he got killed, not when he said that we're all created equal.

01:10:02.680 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:03.980 And he's not the only one who got assassinated for moving in that direction.

01:10:08.220 Yeah.

01:10:09.000 So I just want to touch on the public health response after the virus became universal.

01:10:19.020 And you talked about why you think there was relentless focus on vaccines, the exclusion of other potential remedies, medicines.

01:10:31.000 But masking, you know, physical separation of people, it was super obvious right away those were not effective, but they were policy for years after that.

01:10:42.020 What was that?

01:10:42.720 I think that Fauci believed that whatever it is you tell the public, it should be simple and there should be no room for confusion about the mandate you're giving.

01:10:57.340 What that leads to is the type of behavior where you're for something one day, you're against it the next day.

01:11:03.280 You don't have conclusive science on boosters for children.

01:11:06.740 In fact, there's no science for boosters to children.

01:11:09.640 They should have never been recommended.

01:11:11.220 And yet they decided to augment that data and just make it simple for people.

01:11:17.720 I mean, this is giving them the benefit of the doubt and not assuming that there is a more nefarious reason why these policies existed, that we're all about ultra vaccinating people constantly.

01:11:28.700 You got to remember, these are not vaccines.

01:11:31.800 They don't stop the spread of a virus.

01:11:33.540 These are flu shots.

01:11:35.420 And flu shots actually are way more profitable than vaccines.

01:11:39.100 In fact, how many times do you get a polio vaccine in your life?

01:11:42.260 You get it once, okay?

01:11:44.440 Go up from there.

01:11:45.600 You know, you get a tetanus shot every couple of years when you step on a rusty nail.

01:11:50.220 Flu shots are marketed for you to get every year.

01:11:53.060 And they're marketed in a way that you should get them when you're healthy.

01:11:56.820 It's not just elderly people.

01:11:58.220 Well, COVID is even better, right?

01:12:01.320 Now there's a scary virus that came out of nature that keeps morphing, you know, and, you know, the first message is, this is going to stop the spread.

01:12:10.980 This is going to release the pressure and let us go back to our lives.

01:12:15.420 That was a lie.

01:12:16.420 And it was also a lie that we should have been locked down in the first place and that our schools should have been closed in the first place.

01:12:23.580 That was a lie.

01:12:25.640 So, when society is at the brink and everybody is going insane in their homes and can't get back to work, can't go to a bar, can't go to a baseball game, everything about American society has shut down.

01:12:41.720 The amount of leverage you have to sell a solution that is completely black and white, that, you know, this is going to do it, this is going to bring us back, and anyone who doesn't do it is the enemy.

01:12:59.380 You know, that is, of course, really effective.

01:13:02.720 It was, there couldn't be anything further from the truth.

01:13:04.900 It didn't stop the spread.

01:13:06.140 It doesn't stop you from getting COVID.

01:13:08.000 It doesn't stop a lot of things.

01:13:09.960 In fact, it itself makes you sick.

01:13:12.360 Of course.

01:13:12.780 It in and of itself makes you sick.

01:13:15.660 Do you think we're getting the outline of the public health disasters caused by the COVID virus and by the lockdowns?

01:13:26.520 I mean, are we getting a sense of what the consequences are?

01:13:31.620 I mean, let's take masking in children.

01:13:34.940 There's, children don't really get sick from COVID.

01:13:37.860 Sure, they spread COVID, but let's be honest about what COVID is.

01:13:41.520 It's the second most infectious virus in history.

01:13:44.920 Everybody gets COVID.

01:13:46.680 Some people get sick.

01:13:48.100 Some people don't get sick.

01:13:49.820 Some people get really sick.

01:13:51.260 Some people get moderately sick.

01:13:53.220 If you have a comorbidity or you're elderly, you could die.

01:13:59.480 Our public health policy was about protecting a small portion of the population that was at risk of death.

01:14:08.960 A small population.

01:14:10.080 So, if we're going to be honest about that, that made no sense, right?

01:14:16.240 So, what makes more sense is to say grandma can't get this virus.

01:14:20.340 So, we got to protect grandma and my son who's got cancer or my aunt who's got diabetes.

01:14:28.480 We got to make sure that they have safe places to go and that they're contained and this vaccine should be available for them.

01:14:35.200 Anything trial should be available because they're at risk of dying from this really scary virus.

01:14:40.640 That's assuming that you don't know anything about the virus already.

01:14:44.300 That's a big assumption.

01:14:45.260 Let's go back to the news coverage, right?

01:14:48.780 How many times did we hear, we don't know what this is, we don't know what it does, you know, policies to wash surfaces and wash your fruit in the sink, you know, when that had nothing to do with the way that this virus spreads?

01:15:05.160 Because to admit that you know what this virus does is to admit that you'd been funding it for years and that you know what the fur and cleavage side is and that you know even the way that HIV viruses interact with coronaviruses because Fauci funded a study by the same scientists who were implicated in the COVID disaster to experiment with coronaviruses as an HIV vaccine in 2014.

01:15:35.160 So this is a Pandora's box.

01:15:37.580 You open it up just a crack and it blows open and all hell breaks loose.

01:15:42.820 So for almost a year, lies were told about this virus, not just where it came from, but how to treat it, how it was spread.

01:15:51.280 If we were honest about lab engineering, we would have been able to stop the spread in the way that it mattered the most.

01:15:57.620 And the truth is that fusion inhibitors and other simple, cheap drugs are probably more effective for the majority of people than a vaccine is.

01:16:10.740 Addressing the virus and stopping it from doing a lot of harm in your body, stopping it from spreading in your body after you've already gotten it, you know, things like ivermectin we understand now, chloroquine.

01:16:23.280 Again, these type of therapies are arguably just as successful as a vaccine.

01:16:31.440 The problem is you can't get an emergency use authorization for a vaccine if there's another useful countermeasure.

01:16:39.360 So if you look back at the media and you start and you look at it with cynical eyes and you've lost trust for Anthony Fauci at this point, like I did, and I said, okay, well, I see one lie.

01:16:50.140 You know, it's like in a true crime when the detective, the person tells one lie and they're like, okay, well, this probably the killer because now they're lying about this one thing.

01:16:59.980 That's the way that it felt for me.

01:17:02.880 It's like, how could you tell lies this big and not be lying about everything?

01:17:06.840 I have to assume that you're lying about everything now.

01:17:08.980 That's a fair assumption.

01:17:09.700 And so, you know, you're going to push this experimental technology that conservatively should take about five to 10 years to test in humans before you release it to the public.

01:17:23.280 That's going to make certain individuals and companies billions of dollars money, by the way, that flowed back to the NIH and to Fauci's organization.

01:17:34.340 We know now $650 million funded back to that organization through royalties from the pharmaceutical companies.

01:17:43.220 And there is a system in place that is favoring a fixed outcome.

01:17:49.840 And that outcome doesn't have anything to do with public health and it doesn't really have anything to do with the most effective thing.

01:17:58.020 It's got to be new and it's got to benefit our friends.

01:18:03.060 And Moderna was a great friend to the U.S. government.

01:18:06.220 In fact, Moderna was mostly funded by the U.S. government for a period of time.

01:18:09.780 It was never really a successful company.

01:18:12.480 They'd been working on that cancer program with mRNA.

01:18:15.340 It didn't stick.

01:18:16.140 They were also funded by the DOD directly.

01:18:20.580 So it's a pharmaceutical company being funded by the DOD, the Department of Defense.

01:18:26.320 And ultimately, this project was a big deal for Fauci and for others and this idea of this coronavirus vaccine.

01:18:36.520 And the way in which it got preferential treatment in the process is obvious.

01:18:43.340 In fact, there was a deal to develop this vaccine before the pandemic was even announced.

01:18:51.160 And people will tell you, oh, no, that's just a coincidence that the information sharing agreement with Ralph Baric, the guy who was involved in the research at Wuhan and Moderna and NIH and, you know, Fauci's under Fauci's influence.

01:19:05.740 That was just a coincidence because it says on the paper, MERS vaccine, not SARS vaccine. 0.87

01:19:11.860 This is the type of trickery and tomfoolery and bullshit that runs bureaucracies. 0.99

01:19:21.680 You know, you've been in the system long enough. 0.99

01:19:24.200 You know what to put in an email.

01:19:25.860 You know what a grant proposal should have and should not have in it.

01:19:29.340 And, you know, if you're going to do an information sharing agreement before the world is hit with the worst pandemic of a generation for a vaccine to have a frontrunner position, that you don't want to have too many fingerprints on that.

01:19:41.520 So let's call it a MERS vaccine and not a SARS vaccine.

01:19:45.440 All of that happened.

01:19:47.500 All of that happened.

01:19:48.400 And the reason why it happened is because there was knowledge that this virus was going to ravage the world months before it was reported. 0.88

01:19:55.840 And that it's insane to think that Anthony Fauci, a preeminent infectious disease, you know, not a virologist, but someone in public health who's been studying these viruses, did not get the fucking memo that a virus was spreading all over China before December. 0.91

01:20:13.800 That's hard to believe.

01:20:15.140 So we were in a meeting here at TCN the other day and I looked around the room and every other person had a kind of ruddy vitality.

01:20:23.080 Sort of pink cheeks, alertness, bright eyes, full mental acuity, and a cheerfulness you could almost smell.

01:20:33.120 And I asked, why does everyone look so good?

01:20:36.580 And part of the answer, of course, is they like what we do for a living.

01:20:40.000 It's really interesting.

01:20:40.940 We think it's important.

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01:22:45.340 China had the World Military Games, as you said, but it also sent, you know, hundreds of thousands of its citizens around the world, including from central China around Wuhan, including to Milan, Italy and all of Western Europe.

01:23:06.080 And after they knew that this pandemic had begun, that the virus was on the loose.

01:23:12.020 How do you explain that?

01:23:13.680 Well, it's interesting because there is this theory that Anthony Fauci, a man with so much knowledge, understood that in the wrong hands, this disaster could be World War III.

01:23:24.880 And that the reason why he covered it up was to prevent Trump from, you know, starting World War III and making a declaration of war because of the actions of the Chinese.

01:23:36.860 Yeah, that plays well.

01:23:38.680 But I think that there's a much harder pill to swallow and that we covered it up because we were part of it.

01:23:46.760 And what we did in the shadows that hasn't been reported yet, who knows how ugly that is.

01:23:54.740 And that's our government.

01:23:56.960 China is going to be China. 0.99

01:23:58.580 China is going to do what China does. 0.93

01:24:00.720 China is, for the most part, our enemy in the United States. 0.93

01:24:05.540 I don't consider them my enemy because I'm not a government.

01:24:08.300 I'm a citizen.

01:24:09.400 And I think that all governments potentially can be abusive.

01:24:14.940 Yeah, my government is abusive.

01:24:16.260 Right?

01:24:17.160 So if people don't have civil liberties in China, if people can't report on things and they're censored on China, if the citizens are, you know, neglected and abused and manipulated in China, I have a logical explanation for that. 0.72

01:24:37.080 China is going to be China. 0.99

01:24:38.020 The part that I refuse to accept is that, you know, the great experiment of democracy, the sort of the leader of thought on the planet, the guardian of truth and democracy.

01:24:49.660 And, you know, the best system did the exact same thing and pretended like they were the good guy.

01:24:58.380 So I don't understand.

01:25:00.560 I know he keeps beginning every sentence, but I don't understand.

01:25:02.840 But I don't understand either.

01:25:05.100 Well, after five years, like where are the people, where are the courageous people in the media or the Congress or the executive branch, where are the courageous physicians, the researchers, the NIH?

01:25:15.460 They're all in the movie.

01:25:16.260 And that's what's so interesting is that if you look at this movie, there aren't that many, then there aren't that many, sadly, but there are many that aren't in the movie.

01:25:25.760 But I think a phenomenon happened that I joined this party at a point of real, I think, apathy, even for the people that fought so hard to expose the truth.

01:25:40.380 Because by that point, there had been a grant proposal that got released to the public.

01:25:44.500 There had been all these damning emails to Fauci.

01:25:47.020 There had been all this and still no wide-scale awareness.

01:25:51.660 And what's interesting is that's when I started making the film, in a way, what feels like the bottom of this story is that all of this exists and no one's doing anything about it.

01:26:01.760 And for many people who are not really in love with Donald Trump's policies or find other aspects of that base hard to swallow, they feel this great hope now.

01:26:15.200 And three people in our film are going to be in prominent positions that are historic, the nominations for these positions.

01:26:29.040 Jay Bhattacharya is going to run the NIH.

01:26:32.300 Wonderful, wonderful man.

01:26:33.840 He's been smeared and maligned.

01:26:36.040 He's a wonderful scientist and virologist.

01:26:38.440 And he's a decent human being.

01:26:39.980 A very decent human being and someone who cares about helping people.

01:26:43.580 Yes, I totally agree.

01:26:44.520 He does not have any pharmaceutical underwriting.

01:26:46.600 He's got no weird agenda.

01:26:48.000 I totally agree.

01:26:48.360 No weird agenda.

01:26:49.380 Marty McCurry.

01:26:50.420 Yep.

01:26:51.000 Okay, in the movie.

01:26:52.460 Okay, Marty McCurry is a wonderful doctor who did whatever he could to challenge some of the sort of subjective medicine that was happening during COVID.

01:27:03.220 He believed in herd immunity.

01:27:05.140 He believed in a lot of things that, you know, were unpopular.

01:27:08.760 But the truth is, is that when he said the pandemic was going to spread all around the world back in January, he actually was not loved by Republicans.

01:27:16.780 And they called him an alarmist and, you know, a lot of things.

01:27:20.340 So let's just realize that who appears to be a hero in one political party was an enemy a day before.

01:27:27.940 I mean, I'm that person now.

01:27:29.340 I mean, if you look at the rest of my movies, I mean, I'm someone who would be labeled, you know, an enemy of the state for someone on the right.

01:27:38.000 The truth is, is that the truth actually matters and that if you look beyond politics, we need to unite around these things.

01:27:46.820 And so the film is a coalition of people, including Jeffrey Sachs, who was on this show and is a wonderful thinker and someone who is clearly on the left.

01:27:59.900 And Sam Husseini is a Palestinian-American journalist who's been kicked out of a lot of press rooms, who is, you know, extremely outspoken about what's happening in Israel and is obviously dismayed by what's happening in Gaza.

01:28:16.920 And it goes against caste, right, that all of these people agree that COVID was completely and totally an inside job, a lab accident, that Anthony Fauci is, you know, for lack of a better word, pure evil.

01:28:34.260 And, you know, that's what's needed now.

01:28:37.240 And what's incredibly refreshing is many of these voices are now in nominations for huge posts that have been compromised for decades.

01:28:48.320 The NIH has been compromised for decades.

01:28:51.800 I mean, at least as long since 9-11, but potentially longer.

01:28:57.080 And the FDA, I mean, that's been compromised for a long time now.

01:29:01.280 And there's also other people, I mean, I was given permission to say this, but Andrew Huff, who's in our film, is undersecretary to RFK.

01:29:12.760 You've got a guy who was a firsthand witness to the spying of a U.S.-funded nonprofit on a Chinese lab and who worked for Peter Daszak's nonprofit, who was then harassed for years and called a lunatic and a lot of different things.

01:29:31.420 And the truth is that he knew what he was talking about, and he's now in a position to use his knowledge of technology and use his knowledge of epidemiology to monitor pandemic threats.

01:29:44.900 And I mean all pandemic threats, not the ones that, you know, just come from nature.

01:29:50.960 You know, we actually have people in positions right now.

01:29:53.980 What RFK is going to do, for anyone who understands the extent to which companies are poisoning American citizens with the permission of the American government, literally, okay?

01:30:06.720 Half of the things in a supermarket aisle are not good for you.

01:30:10.120 And when you go to Europe, they're illegal, okay?

01:30:13.000 Or you go to Japan or another country, they're illegal.

01:30:15.820 Russia.

01:30:16.340 Russia, illegal, okay? 0.94

01:30:18.120 But here in the United States, they're not.

01:30:22.160 And the amount of health complications that exist from these products fuel the other part of the industry, which is perpetual sickness.

01:30:30.420 And COVID, whether designed to do this or not, creates perpetual sickness.

01:30:36.360 And one of the most frightening things is that this calamity is not behind us, right?

01:30:43.000 In fact, the media wants you to believe that it's behind you.

01:30:45.940 They believe through their data, they claim, that people are over COVID.

01:30:49.740 They don't want to talk about it anymore.

01:30:51.720 How could we be over something that's still augmenting our genes right now?

01:30:54.940 It still has a panoply of reactions, including turbo cancers, even if you just got the virus and weren't vaccinated.

01:31:02.980 How could we be over that?

01:31:04.080 And how could we be over the fact that when we lied about it originally, when it was lied about and the media didn't cover it, that more funding for this research happened?

01:31:14.060 There are more labs doing gain-of-function research right now.

01:31:17.180 And one of the most frightening things that concerns me, and I believe is absolutely urgent right now, is that for the last six months, we all have seen reports about bird flu coming over naturally from cow milk, from a cat.

01:31:31.440 There was a farm worker who got it.

01:31:33.440 And call me a cynical person, the threat of bird flu, lab-generated bird flu, has existed since the study that Anthony Fauci conducted, funded with Ron Fouchier and Karaoka for 10 years.

01:31:53.140 People have feared a bird flu coming out of the lab for 10 years.

01:31:57.860 The wet market proved that you got to be a little bit sharper at a story of it coming from nature.

01:32:03.340 And for six months now, we've seen story after story, isolated crossover.

01:32:09.120 And it's not just from one source.

01:32:10.760 It's coming from milk.

01:32:12.060 It's coming from a cat, you know?

01:32:14.040 To me, this is them sharpening the tool because it is absolutely inevitable that a bird flu will cross over into humans and it won't be natural.

01:32:23.620 And the one we're going to be infected with is not going to be the one that infected the cat or the cow milk.

01:32:28.180 It's going to be from a lab.

01:32:30.320 And do we have any sense of what the effect will be?

01:32:33.480 COVID changed everything about the world.

01:32:37.780 And the fatality is like 1% to 3% max for a virus like COVID.

01:32:44.700 For a lot, it's, some people would argue it's under 1%.

01:32:48.200 Bird flu is like straight down the middle.

01:32:52.860 Doesn't matter if you're a kid or an elderly person.

01:32:56.540 You're starting in ranges of like 10% to 50%.

01:33:01.040 Mortality?

01:33:02.080 Yes.

01:33:03.240 Bird flu is way more lethal than COVID.

01:33:07.780 Bird flu, when Fauci funded these studies and scientists were debating the work at conventions, there's a scene of it in the movie.

01:33:17.160 A journalist says, I thought this was a doomsday virus.

01:33:20.660 Why are we doing this work?

01:33:22.940 It is a doomsday virus.

01:33:25.260 And keep in mind all of the transitions and shifts in power that occurred for a virus that was not a doomsday virus.

01:33:33.300 What happens when there is a doomsday virus?

01:33:36.160 Who's going to benefit?

01:33:37.140 Who's going to lose?

01:33:38.800 How much power is going to shift from an event like that?

01:33:41.040 And you've got a situation now where all the people I just mentioned going to destabilize the FDA, going to destabilize the NIH, going to declassify all of the information that would prove a story that's incredibly damning for a lot of people, including pharmaceutical companies, nation states.

01:33:58.560 You've got Donald Trump, who's going to be in the United States, who's going to be in the United States, and that's been proven through history multiple times.

01:34:15.540 It seems like it seems like it would be a really great time for a distraction.

01:34:19.540 And the risk is that we are going to suffer from another man-made pandemic before we've figured out who's responsible for the last one, and it's going to hurt us so much that we won't even care.

01:34:31.680 And that's coming.

01:34:35.360 That's why this is urgent.

01:34:37.360 That's why I have no issue partnering with anyone who wants to do activism around this issue.

01:34:44.700 If we thought nuclear disarmament was a core issue threatening the human race, this type of work is in multiples of hundreds as far as the risk.

01:34:56.060 So why were there biolabs in Ukraine? 1.00

01:34:58.680 I think that the whole Ukraine thing is really fascinating, right?

01:35:04.220 Like, I can't tell you that.

01:35:05.600 We know that, by the way.

01:35:06.540 It's not a conspiracy theory.

01:35:07.780 I mean—

01:35:08.020 No, there's biolabs in Ukraine. 0.91

01:35:09.040 The Undersecretary of State announced it in the Senate hearing.

01:35:11.260 Yes, totally.

01:35:12.080 And Metabiota and the connections to Hunter Biden.

01:35:14.880 Metabiota is very much connected to the research, including things like the diffuse proposal, including Peter Daszak, who's like an evil scientist slash spy,

01:35:24.480 who's potentially not just spying for the U.S., but spying for the Chinese Communist Party and working as a double agent.

01:35:31.820 I mean, all of these—why are all these things—why are they all in the same bucket?

01:35:36.880 It's—

01:35:37.320 I don't know.

01:35:38.320 It doesn't make sense.

01:35:39.300 It'd be like, oh, wait—

01:35:40.320 But why would you have biolabs in a war zone? 1.00

01:35:42.900 I don't understand.

01:35:43.540 Perfect place to have them, right?

01:35:45.640 No one's looking.

01:35:47.140 There's no regulation.

01:35:48.680 You can do whatever you want there.

01:35:50.240 In fact, a lot of the work we were offshoring in China served the same purpose.

01:35:56.480 Their regulations are weak.

01:35:58.040 Well, that tells you everything right there.

01:35:59.500 I mean, if you're—you know, if I'm looking for a place to construct a biolab, I'm thinking, I don't know, Geneva?

01:36:04.520 Yeah, sure.

01:36:05.540 I'm not thinking the poorest country in Europe, the most corrupt country in Europe, Ukraine.

01:36:09.280 I mean, why would you do that?

01:36:10.700 Because they're the most, you know, capable scientists, or they're not?

01:36:14.320 A law can happen in the cloak of chaos and war.

01:36:17.300 We know that from history.

01:36:20.300 I mean, things happen in war zones.

01:36:22.440 So just that specific question, Toria Newell announces, we've got biolabs in Ukraine.

01:36:27.740 What?

01:36:30.120 A few people, I noticed, I did a segment on it, immediately attacked by CNN, conspiracy theorists.

01:36:36.180 I don't want to single out CNN, but I think when we look, you know, 10 years from now, if we're still here,

01:36:42.160 we'll see that the pandemic was kind of the high point, the apogee of their power.

01:36:46.980 Like, maybe the last moment CNN could actually have an effect on the country, they had so much power.

01:36:55.100 And time and again, it was not an accident, they were saying things they knew weren't true,

01:36:59.940 but that were consistent with the storyline from people like Fauci.

01:37:04.440 Like, what was that?

01:37:05.320 I mean, in all fairness, let's be real, your former employer used to do the same thing for years.

01:37:10.520 Oh, I almost got fired over it.

01:37:11.580 Oh, yeah, they were mad at me.

01:37:12.460 So let's not, no one is singled out in the corrupt nature of mainstream media.

01:37:18.540 I agree with that.

01:37:19.480 Because it's about ratings.

01:37:21.060 Because Roger Ailes' brilliant idea to make opinion-based news killed the Walter Cronkite approach.

01:37:29.120 Maybe, I worked at CNN before, you know, Fox started, and it was, it was the same idea.

01:37:35.940 I mean, that, you know, that's a complicated question, but I-

01:37:38.220 I mean, every one of them has a cancer for them.

01:37:39.940 If you're saying-

01:37:40.380 MSNBC, I mean, they had Fauci on and celebrated his book.

01:37:45.040 He was on Maddow, he was on all these people.

01:37:47.080 And look, I know for a fact that Rachel Maddow is a very intelligent person,

01:37:51.140 and I think she may mean well.

01:37:53.520 I know Joy Reid.

01:37:54.720 Joy Reid was in one of my films.

01:37:56.360 She's an intelligent person, and she means well.

01:37:59.120 The industry that is, that they are in, is driven by this kind of insanity.

01:38:06.380 And it's a miracle that you made it out, honestly.

01:38:08.920 Well, I was fired, but-

01:38:10.840 It's a blessing you were fired.

01:38:12.140 Oh, I agree.

01:38:13.040 But no, my question is not, like, are they good people or not?

01:38:16.180 I mean, obviously, I know them all.

01:38:17.200 I spent my life there.

01:38:17.840 But the question is, like, what are the mechanisms that the government uses to control media coverage?

01:38:26.300 That's an interesting question.

01:38:27.420 How far up the ladder do we want to go?

01:38:30.860 Do we want to let it be the government controlling media companies, or do we want to admit that the government has suffered from complete agency capture in every division of the government?

01:38:41.180 And that veiled interests, like pharmaceutical companies or the military industrial complex, you know, companies, for-profit corporations, influence the government more than its voters, more than its politicians.

01:38:54.620 Right, so we're getting back to where you started, which was by saying, I thought astutely, that what you're looking at are powers bigger than nation states, more powerful than nation states.

01:39:04.820 And when you say agency capture, it's not just in the strict sense of a federal agency.

01:39:07.980 It's agency, which is to say the freedom to do what you want.

01:39:12.300 You know, agency, like human agency.

01:39:14.060 Sure.

01:39:14.200 The government doesn't have agency, actually, because it's subject to powers bigger than itself.

01:39:19.240 Correct.

01:39:19.720 And I want to, you know, I've been dying to do this, but the deep state was ours first.

01:39:25.880 I mean, you know, the concept of a deep state was a leftist concept of agency capture and things like this.

01:39:33.360 I mean, we could argue that.

01:39:34.580 I used that, I still don't, I hate using it.

01:39:36.440 It's a buzz, it's a dog whistle.

01:39:37.880 I agree, and I hate using it because I feel like a freaking wacko because I lived in D.C. for so long, family worked for the government, and I just always scoffed at people who use that term.

01:39:49.980 But of course, it's completely real.

01:39:51.080 It works well.

01:39:51.880 They were right.

01:39:52.520 And some of the people I disliked most, I'll just say it, they were right about that.

01:39:56.460 They were.

01:39:57.080 And mainstream media, same thing, dog whistle. 0.52

01:40:00.080 You hear that on the left, you're like, oh, I'm done talking to you.

01:40:03.460 Mainstream media, whatever, guy.

01:40:06.220 You know, go back to your conspiracy theorist, right? 0.69

01:40:09.440 Let's Bolshevik, communist, okay, terrorist, conspiracy theorist.

01:40:16.020 Notice the trend? 0.89

01:40:17.180 Yeah.

01:40:17.620 Right? 0.95

01:40:18.600 These deep state, mainstream media, people who devise strategies for capturing the population this way aren't dumb.

01:40:28.840 We're, as a species, we need it to be simple, right?

01:40:31.800 And we are currently being divided by simple concepts like that, even though the truth behind them is very real.

01:40:39.560 We do have a problem with mainstream media being completely captured.

01:40:44.400 And you asked, how does it happen?

01:40:46.580 Listen, why is it that there are wall-to-wall ads for medicines?

01:40:53.800 Do you think anyone's sitting at home saying, you know, honey, I want to talk to the doctor about a prescription for Rex Luby or whatever?

01:41:03.260 Rebelsis.

01:41:03.440 Yeah, Rebelsis or, you know, you know, I can't even, they're so absurd.

01:41:09.560 The names, they've run out of names, they're so absurd now.

01:41:12.560 What is that?

01:41:13.960 So it's funny.

01:41:14.780 I mean, I started in cable TV in 1995.

01:41:17.720 That's 30 years.

01:41:18.700 And it was only in the last couple of years, I think it was Bobby Kennedy or someone who's thought about it more than I had, said to me this exact thing.

01:41:27.140 The point is not, and I wondered, like, who's buying this?

01:41:29.720 Who's asking his doctor for Rebelsis?

01:41:32.000 Nobody.

01:41:32.680 The point is to control the news organization.

01:41:36.180 Right.

01:41:36.380 It's not a consumer play.

01:41:37.760 No.

01:41:38.380 Right.

01:41:38.640 I didn't understand that.

01:41:39.800 I don't, I was too close to it.

01:41:40.940 These.

01:41:41.440 But that's true.

01:41:43.980 Large media organizations considered to be the last line of defense, the free press in the United States, the fourth estate, are completely captured.

01:41:53.740 Of course.

01:41:53.880 The same way the FDA is captured, the same way the NIH was captured.

01:41:57.860 They're captured.

01:41:59.260 And they're drunk off the teat of the people who are paying for ads.

01:42:05.460 And if someone's going to pay for that many ads and you lost that ad revenue overnight, that's an incredible bargaining chip.

01:42:12.980 You probably shouldn't cover that.

01:42:14.380 No, that's it.

01:42:14.860 It's your stock price.

01:42:15.560 There's no doubt.

01:42:16.120 I mean, that's a real thing.

01:42:19.460 No, I ran up against it.

01:42:21.540 I didn't understand it at the time.

01:42:23.400 I mean, the problem with hosting a nightly show is it doesn't leave you a lot of time for reflection outside of your area.

01:42:30.340 So, you know, you pick a topic in the morning and then you spend all day thinking about it.

01:42:34.240 Presumably you've thought about it before, but you're thinking about your script and what to write.

01:42:38.740 But it's just hard to see the context for anything, of course, right?

01:42:42.360 You're distracted.

01:42:43.880 It's an art form, honestly.

01:42:45.300 I really respect and appreciate the people who are running daily programs like that and offering, you know, to their viewers a take.

01:42:54.000 And I get the privilege to spend, I do it faster than most, but I spend about 8 to 12 months, sometimes, you know, 14 or 16, living in a story.

01:43:05.060 Right.

01:43:05.540 And living in this story for that long and looking at the data and the evidence for that long, I've lost a lot of sleep.

01:43:12.340 I bet.

01:43:12.740 I've lost a lot of sleep.

01:43:14.460 I've lost a lot of hope.

01:43:16.140 And I think that people often ask, well, what are we going to do now?

01:43:19.080 So then what should we do then?

01:43:20.900 Should there be laws?

01:43:22.980 Yeah, there's got to be laws.

01:43:24.540 There's got to be all sorts of things.

01:43:25.760 There's got to be an urgent intervention right now to stop the lab work that's happening that could cause another pandemic.

01:43:31.340 But in a way, you know, you can't turn a battleship in the middle of the ocean.

01:43:36.940 It doesn't do a U-turn.

01:43:38.240 I mean, there's a lot going on right now that needs to be, you know, dismantled.

01:43:42.380 And like I said, what is crazy is that four years ago, under the indoctrination, under the sort of way that I had lived my life, I would look at a Donald Trump victory and I'd say this is a disaster.

01:43:58.120 You know, this is the way liberals who are, you know, drunk off MSNBC, they think the world is ending.

01:44:04.200 It's a great consumer to have.

01:44:05.420 When the consumer thinks the world is ending, they actually spend really freely.

01:44:09.120 We can get into that in another episode.

01:44:11.800 But the way fear really affects people's, but this constant fear, you know, the people that are actually most afraid of Donald Trump are, a lot of them are extremely powerful folks running bureaucracies who have been able to control the system

01:44:27.640 for a period of time.

01:44:28.740 A lot of them were Republican senators, actually.

01:44:31.360 Yeah.

01:44:32.480 And chairman of intel committees.

01:44:34.500 Yes.

01:44:34.920 Yes.

01:44:35.420 And that's this other side to the story.

01:44:39.340 And it was really heartbreaking for me to have these affiliations over the years and then to see this affiliation that I had identified with.

01:44:51.380 And mind you, I'm not a political person.

01:44:53.060 I see fraud in all politics.

01:44:54.900 But to see that who I believed was out there to help the poor and provide services and believe all these different things about equality and, you know, these buzzwords was the elite.

01:45:10.540 And by the time we've gotten to Joe Biden, it's the party represents the elite now.

01:45:18.400 It doesn't it's not doing anything for the working class, not doing anything for the poor.

01:45:22.340 It's not protecting the people that I think should be protected.

01:45:25.660 And maybe I'm biased because I've lived in cities most of my life, but there are some services that are needed.

01:45:30.800 And of course, there's corruption in every service.

01:45:32.700 I don't have an answer.

01:45:33.440 And, you know, the truth is, is that a lot of these politicians, they don't have an answer either, but they'll tell you what you want in order to get there.

01:45:42.180 And when they get there, it's a whole different type of question.

01:45:46.140 Well, you've got to believe in our business, you've got to really sincerely believe that saying the truth out loud is a necessary step, whether or not it solves the problem.

01:45:55.260 But without that, you definitely can't solve any problems.

01:45:57.880 There's a lot of spiritual people who think that just saying the truth is a divine act.

01:46:02.000 We have to be willing to say the truth.

01:46:04.780 People are afraid to say the truth.

01:46:06.240 Well, that is a core precept of both Judaism and Christianity.

01:46:09.680 Yeah.

01:46:09.980 In the beginning was the word.

01:46:11.300 Yeah.

01:46:11.860 And no, that's absolutely right.

01:46:13.980 And I personally believe that because I mean, I know it.

01:46:18.200 But just in a political context, just on a policy level, you can't fix a problem until someone stands up and says, actually, here's what it is.

01:46:26.000 I'm dismayed by all the different signals that exist that, sadly, it's not possible anymore.

01:46:40.780 And as much as I want to believe it is on a political level, that if we're not on a search and destroy on those bureaucratic levels and those sort of all those agency capture moments, and that we're not just putting crazy people in management positions. 0.99

01:47:00.060 And I can tell you, it is crazy for me to see the individuals who I know and who I've sat with and who I know that they have integrity be called crazy, wacko, fringe, you know, idiots, you know, they're going to, you know, whatever. 0.97

01:47:18.900 And so I think that that's the real reform is, you know, until you clear out that rot, right? 0.96

01:47:25.420 And we were talking about pharmaceutical companies having the lion's share of ad revenue across the entire sector until you make it illegal for pharmaceutical companies to advertise in the United States, same way tobacco companies can't advertise, you know, on television, you know, they're relegated to magazines and they can't even have billboards in a lot of places.

01:47:47.840 Pharmaceutical companies should be way worse, you know, their products are more dangerous.

01:47:53.780 I mean, I'd much rather have my kids use tobacco than SSRIs. 0.75

01:47:56.620 Sorry.

01:47:57.140 Yeah, it's true.

01:47:58.480 Yeah.

01:47:59.000 So last question, what you've alluded to this a couple of times, but like, what effect has this had on your life?

01:48:07.260 Yeah, I mean, like I said, lost a lot of sleep.

01:48:11.840 I mean, like anyone else, COVID.

01:48:13.220 Did you lose friends?

01:48:15.120 You know, what's interesting is I didn't.

01:48:17.420 Wow.

01:48:18.040 Great.

01:48:18.240 Because when I could finally get through to people and I had their attention, I saw the transition happen in them.

01:48:26.160 And I think what's interesting is like if you look at a zombie movie or you look at, you know, a piece of science fiction, there's always a hack, right?

01:48:35.620 There's a hack to the mind control.

01:48:38.360 There's a hack to the sickness that people are suffering from, the thing that's turning them against each other.

01:48:43.720 And I think that one of the most sinister things about COVID is we lost the ability to sit in the same room, to look someone in the eye, to have a conversation.

01:48:53.340 And even before COVID, even by the time we got to the 2016 election, maybe before that, we lacked the ability to have conversations across different ideological, you know, means.

01:49:05.780 But the fact remains that if you have a logical conversation with someone about an issue, that that's really where our humanity comes through.

01:49:16.360 And all of the different platforms that we're living off of, that we're addicted to, social media, you know, regular mainstream media.

01:49:24.720 It's designed to actually take us out of that humanity and to make us mechanical in the way that we live our life.

01:49:32.720 And the more mechanical we are, the less willing we are to say, oh, wow, that's interesting.

01:49:37.940 I feel that in my heart.

01:49:39.660 And I truly believe I will make this challenge to anyone who considers themselves a liberal, a Democrat, who feels heartbroken about this last election, that if you can make it 10 minutes into this film, you will never feel the same way ever again.

01:49:56.580 And I believe that it's not because I'm a great filmmaker, it's not because, you know, it's special, it's because the information has been so disparate, purposefully, that you can't connect it in one sitting.

01:50:11.140 And what the film does is it allows you to connect 75 years of scientific arrogance, of government, you know, disasters, all in one place and realize they're all connected.

01:50:22.340 And that has been deprived of the public for decades now, a lot of it because of cable news, because there isn't enough time to connect it all.

01:50:31.580 Well, that is true, man.

01:50:32.700 That is the truest.

01:50:34.360 And so I could sit here with you and despite, you know, seeing you on the air and maybe you had opinions that weren't my own, you're a human being.

01:50:43.020 We're sitting here, we're having a conversation.

01:50:45.360 I don't care who you voted for because we're talking about the truth now.

01:50:49.360 And we need to have that conversation because everyone is at risk right now.

01:50:55.420 This is not a political issue.

01:50:57.100 Everyone, not just in America, is at risk.

01:50:59.400 Everyone on the planet is at risk right now.

01:51:02.480 And if it can benefit certain people so enormously, whether it was an accident or intentional, and if so much power can be transferred from an event like this, it's going to happen again.

01:51:15.600 That's right.

01:51:15.900 And that's why I made the film and that's why I'm willing to work with anyone who's passionate about stopping this from happening again, about holding people like Anthony Fauci accountable, about, you know, getting rid of the rot in these agencies that are meant to protect people.

01:51:32.600 Since when are we not about consumer protections anymore?

01:51:36.060 Remember that part of the United States when people were trying to protect constituents?

01:51:41.360 It's the opposite.

01:51:42.220 We're selling, effectively selling American citizens downriver to abusive and somewhat murderous forces that have captured our government.

01:51:54.420 And believe me, they're not Donald Trump.

01:51:56.360 They're big agro.

01:51:58.020 They're big pharma.

01:51:58.980 They're things that poison us every day.

01:52:00.980 There's connective tissue to these stories, like in the movie, that if you sat and you experienced it in one place, you would never look at the world ever again the same way.

01:52:10.420 And all I hope is that it can break through enough to do that.

01:52:13.180 And I thank you for having me on to discuss it, you know?

01:52:17.880 It's an amazing, amazing two hours.

01:52:19.640 Thank you.

01:52:20.300 Thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - December 20, 2024

Jenner Furst： Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail

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