The Tucker Carlson Show - John Daly

00:00:00.000 One of the great ironies of living in a world that fetishizes diversity is how similar everybody is.

00:00:14.900 Everybody in charge is exactly the same.

00:00:17.520 They have the same opinions, they wear the same clothes, they even look the same physically.

00:00:23.360 So when you see somebody in the public eye who doesn't look the same,

00:00:27.380 it tends to kind of stick out and you don't forget it.

00:00:29.800 If you've watched professional golf any time in the last 35 years,

00:00:33.580 you may have noticed golfer, golfer, golfer, golfer, guy smoking Marlboro Red, golfer, golfer, who is that guy?

00:00:39.600 And that, of course, is one of the most famous golfers in the history of golf, John Daly,

00:00:44.280 who doesn't look or act or think like pretty much anyone else who plays the game.

00:00:50.200 And so we thought it would be really interesting to sit down with him and find out what he's like.

00:00:53.720 He joins us on set.

00:00:54.520 John Daly, it's an honor to have you here.

00:00:56.000 Honor to see you.

00:00:56.820 Are you kidding?

00:00:57.440 So you've played, you said you started at Arkansas like 40 years ago.

00:01:04.140 Yeah.

00:01:05.720 So you're still playing?

00:01:07.580 Yeah.

00:01:08.120 I'm older, but to play the Champions Tour, we have a blast.

00:01:12.020 Yeah.

00:01:12.300 It's, you know, it's one sport you can play all your life.

00:01:16.500 All your life.

00:01:17.340 Do you ever think of yourself as like the one guy who doesn't seem like everybody else on tour?

00:01:22.800 Kind of fit that mold.

00:01:24.260 You know, I didn't have really a pot to piss in when I grew up.

00:01:27.380 So like.

00:01:28.240 Where did you grow up?

00:01:29.140 In a little town called Darnell.

00:01:30.940 You know, we had nine holes then.

00:01:32.360 Arkansas.

00:01:33.220 Darnell, Arkansas.

00:01:34.120 We had nine holes and I'd weigh the ponds in the first hole and sell the good balls to the club and take the old balls.

00:01:39.940 So I wasn't old enough to play the course.

00:01:41.740 So on Sundays, I could go out and play.

00:01:44.360 Some of the members would let me play with them.

00:01:45.760 But I learned how to play on a baseball field just right down from my house.

00:01:49.640 How did you pick golf?

00:01:51.380 Was your dad a golfer?

00:01:52.700 I saw it on TV.

00:01:53.860 My dad played a little bit, but it wasn't his A-game sport.

00:01:59.140 But, you know, I just fell in love with it watching it on TV.

00:02:02.680 Were you good at it right away?

00:02:03.600 I was kind of natural at it, but I'd learned.

00:02:06.880 Jack Liffus came out with these Golf Digest lesson tees, how to grip it, how to hit a cut, how to hit a hook.

00:02:14.020 And so when I learned I'd sit on home plate, I'd grip it and I'd hit a cut to right field.

00:02:19.280 I'd hit a straight shot to center.

00:02:20.660 I'd hit a draw to left.

00:02:22.160 Flop shot to the pitcher's mound. 0.97

00:02:23.680 Chip and runs to first base, third base.

00:02:25.540 Flop shot to second base.

00:02:27.420 Flop shot's over second base.

00:02:28.880 I mean, I just learned it from a cartoon that he did back in the early 70s.

00:02:34.440 That's how I learned the interlocking grip, everything, from Jack Liffus.

00:02:37.400 So you didn't grow up in a country club is what you're saying?

00:02:39.220 No, no.

00:02:39.980 It was a nine-hole course.

00:02:41.120 And then as I got older, I played there, and we lived there for a long time.

00:02:44.680 As I grew up, I just fell in love with the place.

00:02:47.620 It was very quiet and peaceful there.

00:02:49.260 And I don't want it to.

00:02:52.500 What did your parents think?

00:02:54.720 You know, I was pretty much played all sports.

00:02:56.760 I just played, you know, football, basketball, baseball, everything.

00:02:59.780 But the one thing I loved about golf, you didn't have to run in it.

00:03:03.120 Yeah.

00:03:03.400 So I'm very flat-footed.

00:03:04.960 I couldn't run for anything.

00:03:07.560 Trying to play football as a field goal kicker, and I could throw it a mile.

00:03:10.440 I just couldn't run.

00:03:11.400 So I'm fortunate to kick football at Elias High School,

00:03:15.620 where I kind of finished my, well, two and a half years of kick football

00:03:20.480 at Elias High School in Jeff City, Missouri,

00:03:22.520 and then finished up in Arkansas to get in-state tuition in Arkansas,

00:03:27.220 because I just couldn't afford to.

00:03:28.580 How long were you at Arkansas?

00:03:29.940 Three years.

00:03:31.160 And then you went pro?

00:03:32.100 Yeah.

00:03:32.960 How was it different then for professional golfers, like before?

00:03:37.800 It's tough.

00:03:39.440 You know, back then, it was all state opens.

00:03:41.240 You didn't have the Corn Ferry Tour.

00:03:42.760 You didn't have these tours.

00:03:44.140 You know, I ended up playing.

00:03:45.280 And my first tournament was Missouri State Open.

00:03:48.880 It was in August, I think, of 87.

00:03:51.220 I borrowed $300 from my mom, paid the entry fee, won the tournament,

00:03:54.920 won $6,800, and never looked back.

00:03:57.580 I tried to get mom the check.

00:03:58.740 She says, you take it and do what you got to do with it.

00:04:02.540 So you've never had any other job?

00:04:04.800 No, I had to clean carts and stuff and pick range balls.

00:04:08.420 No, I mean, as an adult, once you left college.

00:04:10.440 No, no, no.

00:04:11.580 Do you still like it?

00:04:12.540 No, it's, it's, I love it.

00:04:16.040 I love to play.

00:04:17.160 I love it.

00:04:17.600 But when you hurt and things, you know, you just can't play this game hurt.

00:04:21.180 And basically the last seven years, I've had both knees done, both feet done.

00:04:24.860 I've had shoulder problems.

00:04:26.000 I've had back problems.

00:04:27.140 And, you know, I got diagnosed with bladder cancer four years ago.

00:04:30.460 So right now it's benign.

00:04:32.480 But, you know, you just, it's part of getting old.

00:04:34.500 And, you know, when I can't, you know, everybody knows me saying this.

00:04:39.480 They think I'm fully, you know what?

00:04:40.680 But I do like to practice. 0.92

00:04:42.700 And, but when you can't, that's what sucks.

00:04:46.300 I'm more of a, I like to go out and hit 500 wedges.

00:04:49.680 Yeah.

00:04:50.160 You know, I don't sit on a driving range.

00:04:51.900 And I like to hit into greens and stuff.

00:04:53.960 And I'm kind of a player practice guy.

00:04:56.080 But when you can't do that to your ability, it's tough to compete because these guys on

00:05:00.120 this Champions Tour and all over the world are so good.

00:05:02.860 They're unbelievably good.

00:05:04.100 I think one of the reasons people are mesmerized by you and have always been is because clearly

00:05:11.340 you're succeeding through natural talent.

00:05:14.400 I mean, it's not like, like, what are we looking at here?

00:05:16.840 Just to give the audience some perspective.

00:05:19.100 This is right.

00:05:20.340 So this is what you would consume over 18 holes.

00:05:23.060 Well, I used to.

00:05:24.700 I drink a lot of John Dilley Good Boys now.

00:05:26.680 What is that?

00:05:27.380 Is that health drink?

00:05:28.640 No, no.

00:05:28.980 It's my sweet tea lemonade vodka.

00:05:31.060 I can't drink it while I play, but I drink a lot of them now.

00:05:34.880 But you still have, like, played at the highest level.

00:05:37.600 Yeah.

00:05:38.020 Yeah.

00:05:38.220 I still play the British Open.

00:05:39.960 I'm still in that until I'm 60, in the PGA until I'm 65, the regular ones.

00:05:45.300 I guess what I mean, you see some athletes and you feel like they were trained from birth,

00:05:48.940 almost like the Soviet bloc used to do in the Olympics.

00:05:51.740 Oh, yeah.

00:05:52.040 Well, look at Michelle Wee. 1.00

00:05:53.220 What a great human being she is.

00:05:55.120 I mean, her pop was honor.

00:05:57.780 I mean, I remember we played at the beautiful Nimicola Woodlands, you know, Joe Hardy's place.

00:06:04.100 Maggie's an 84 number. 0.78

00:06:06.120 And I was fortunate enough when she came out, everybody said how long she was.

00:06:09.780 And Maggie set it up where I could play nine holes with her. 0.87

00:06:13.520 What a great girl. 0.97

00:06:14.680 But she hit balls seven hours before she played nine holes with me. 1.00

00:06:19.040 I would have had to get in a stretcher.

00:06:21.200 I would have hit that many balls for seven hours.

00:06:23.560 That's the mentality of the game now.

00:06:25.380 Guys work and they work and they work.

00:06:27.100 And all of them have teachers and psychiatrists and, you know, they're food guy, food girl, whatever.

00:06:34.960 They're psychiatrists?

00:06:36.300 Yeah, they all have them, yeah.

00:06:38.260 I just never, I grew up taking golf serious, but not taking it that serious.

00:06:43.720 Yeah.

00:06:43.900 You know, when we, Fuzzy Zeller, Tom Watson, Arnie, Jack, and all of us, you know, we'd go play a practice round.

00:06:50.820 We'd go to the bar and have a drink.

00:06:52.940 All these guys go work out. 0.96

00:06:54.760 Well, we'd hit some balls, but maybe hit some puss. 1.00

00:06:57.520 But then we'd go to the bar and have a drink, go to dinner.

00:07:00.040 He wasn't going to work out and all this stuff.

00:07:02.900 It's a 10-hour day job for all these guys.

00:07:06.040 That's what they put themselves to.

00:07:07.320 There's something kind of cool and old-fashioned about the man who doesn't do that, who doesn't have a problem pausing for a cigarette mid-game, and still wins.

00:07:16.460 Well, it's been a while, but, you know, I still compete.

00:07:20.860 Was there ever a point when you thought, I'm getting out, I can't do this anymore?

00:07:24.440 Yeah, I think a lot of us go through that.

00:07:26.660 You know, you're not playing good.

00:07:28.240 I mean, these last seven years have been tough.

00:07:30.620 I really have not played one Champions Tour 100%, and I was fortunate to win Houston, I think, in 2016.

00:07:37.680 But, you know, just trying to be healthy, giving yourself a chance to compete really well is what you want.

00:07:45.040 But, you know, I finally got to have both knees done, full replacements,

00:07:49.620 and this will be the first year I've actually been able to have two good knees. 0.99

00:07:54.340 You know, so hopefully 24 without any other stupid crap. 0.99

00:07:59.100 Maybe I could actually get through a year without limping. 1.00

00:08:02.740 Are you sick of being on tour?

00:08:04.700 No.

00:08:05.580 I love the game.

00:08:06.660 I love to compete.

00:08:08.020 But I just want to compete the way I know I can compete.

00:08:11.140 So when you're playing on tour, do you, like, go to dinner with the other players at night?

00:08:16.440 A lot of times, yeah.

00:08:17.340 A lot of us hang out on the Champions Tour.

00:08:19.400 So you're open in your politics.

00:08:21.760 You're pretty direct about it.

00:08:23.120 Yeah.

00:08:24.420 Where's common sense in our country?

00:08:26.440 Do you think you've got the majority view among golfers?

00:08:30.360 Yeah.

00:08:31.840 I think all of us on the tours and everything, we all want Daddy Trump back.

00:08:36.400 Really?

00:08:37.040 What?

00:08:38.140 Because he was a great president.

00:08:39.580 He's a great guy.

00:08:40.460 Once you get to know him, I've known him since the early 90s.

00:08:43.560 And it was funny.

00:08:44.920 I can't remember the tournament.

00:08:46.060 He flew his helicopter in.

00:08:47.160 We played a pro-am.

00:08:48.740 We went out back.

00:08:49.620 We talked a little bit.

00:08:50.500 And when he stood up, he says, mark my words, I'll be president of the United States one

00:08:54.660 day.

00:08:54.940 This is back in 92, 93, 94, maybe.

00:08:59.220 How?

00:09:00.340 Did you believe him?

00:09:01.380 I did.

00:09:02.880 I did.

00:09:04.720 Interesting.

00:09:06.320 He's an unbelievable, smart individual that people have got to get behind him.

00:09:11.960 You've got to do something.

00:09:13.360 So, but among professional golfers, that's like a pretty common view.

00:09:18.000 No doubt.

00:09:18.600 How's his golf?

00:09:19.380 How would you assess it?

00:09:20.500 I've got to work with his chipping a little bit.

00:09:22.300 But he hits it good.

00:09:23.200 He putts it good.

00:09:24.920 We've just got to work on his chipping.

00:09:26.400 What's wrong with the chipping?

00:09:27.640 He just, I keep telling you, you've got to move the ball up.

00:09:30.320 Everybody thinks when you chip, you've got to move it back.

00:09:32.080 You actually need to move it up a little bit.

00:09:34.580 If I don't see him for a while, it goes back to that bad habit again.

00:09:38.160 So when you correct him.

00:09:40.040 He chips it like Tiger or Phil.

00:09:43.620 So why not be like full-time Trump golf coach?

00:09:48.120 I don't think he has the time to play that much golf.

00:09:50.960 He does seem serious about it.

00:09:54.380 Oh, he loves it.

00:09:55.340 He's passionate about it.

00:09:56.660 But what I love about him, he plays quick.

00:09:59.240 We'd go out and play golf.

00:10:00.260 We could have an eights in with him and we're done in three hours.

00:10:03.140 Really?

00:10:03.600 He don't mess around.

00:10:05.920 Did Clinton cheat in golf?

00:10:06.880 Is that true?

00:10:07.400 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:10:09.000 I mean, Bill would, he would take the club back and say, oh shit, give me another ball. 0.99

00:10:12.920 Before he even hit the first one, he'd throw another one down. 0.98

00:10:15.940 But he never kept score.

00:10:17.840 I mean.

00:10:18.400 Did you ever play with him?

00:10:19.340 Yeah.

00:10:20.200 I had to play with him one time.

00:10:21.520 What'd you think?

00:10:22.820 He needs to take up tennis. 0.85

00:10:27.020 He's horrible.

00:10:28.180 Really? 0.97

00:10:29.000 Yeah.

00:10:30.140 What about Obama?

00:10:31.500 I didn't play with him.

00:10:32.680 I never got to meet him or play with him.

00:10:36.740 But Clinton's that bad.

00:10:38.160 But he loved it, right?

00:10:39.080 Yeah, that's okay.

00:10:40.100 I mean, hey, there's a lot of people that never get it.

00:10:43.020 They're never good at it, but they love it.

00:10:44.680 Keep playing.

00:10:46.020 If it's something you love to do and go out and do it, it's a great game.

00:10:50.160 But, you know, these guys, they don't have the time to really work on their game and do

00:10:54.660 the things they want to.

00:10:55.680 A lot of them are running the country, you know.

00:10:57.900 Yeah, that does get in the way.

00:10:58.960 Some did a good job. 0.82

00:10:59.240 Some did a shitty job.

00:11:00.860 We all know who did a great job. 0.78

00:11:03.740 You think Trump's going to win?

00:11:05.500 He needs to win.

00:11:06.720 I pray to God he wins.

00:11:08.960 Why?

00:11:09.760 Just for the satisfaction of bringing our country back together, get some common sense

00:11:13.200 going in here again.

00:11:14.380 And, you know, look what he did.

00:11:16.720 The four years, how great was our country in the four years he was in office.

00:11:20.180 And now look at it.

00:11:22.180 No secure borders.

00:11:24.300 Places out of the roof.

00:11:25.500 I mean, what the hell happened?

00:11:27.440 Where did it go?

00:11:28.140 I mean, I was loving the four years that Daddy Trump was in.

00:11:32.520 And it's all gone to hell.

00:11:34.980 In two years, three years, it's just, what happened?

00:11:39.440 Did you see it coming?

00:11:41.400 We all did.

00:11:42.000 When Biden got elected, I definitely saw that.

00:11:45.160 A lot of our corporate people that were around all the time, launch our tournaments, they all

00:11:50.160 saw that.

00:11:51.360 They knew it was going to happen.

00:11:53.780 Have they ever leaned on you to shut up?

00:11:56.300 No.

00:11:57.340 Why would they?

00:11:58.000 It's free speech.

00:11:59.740 Well, because in every, I mean, if you're in the NBA, you can't have your opinions.

00:12:04.180 Well, that's their problem. 1.00

00:12:06.540 That's stupid. 1.00

00:12:07.340 They should. 1.00

00:12:08.060 They, you know, when they were kneeling national anthems and all that, that was kind of telling 0.99

00:12:15.000 us to, you know, telling America to kiss our ass. 1.00

00:12:19.300 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:19.500 I mean, what was that all about?

00:12:22.000 You tell me.

00:12:23.740 I'd like to know, because I don't understand.

00:12:25.920 Our football players were kneeling national anthem, and, you know, I'll never forget one 0.70

00:12:31.500 game in the NFL, there was the Steeler guy that served, was the only one that came out

00:12:36.340 of the locker.

00:12:36.720 Yeah.

00:12:38.880 But what happened?

00:12:41.620 I don't know.

00:12:42.680 I think it was obvious that certain people wanted Americans to hate their own country,

00:12:49.260 and so they used sports figures to send that message.

00:12:53.200 Your country's embarrassing.

00:12:54.120 It's immoral. 0.97

00:12:55.640 Give it the finger. 0.73

00:12:56.780 Hate it.

00:12:58.260 You know.

00:12:58.420 That's how much power athletes have.

00:13:00.620 Yeah.

00:13:01.940 Be able to go that. 1.00

00:13:03.340 I don't know if it's that left or just that stupid. 1.00

00:13:05.700 I don't know. 1.00

00:13:06.120 Well, they're being used.

00:13:07.740 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:08.120 But then they're the ones who are looking like idiots doing it. 0.99

00:13:12.260 But you never felt that in golf at all? 1.00

00:13:15.300 No.

00:13:16.480 Not with our guys.

00:13:18.100 We believe in the American flag.

00:13:21.180 We believe in our freedoms, and we believe in what, you know, we travel probably more than

00:13:27.080 any athlete on the universe, and we have to show our passport, we have to get visas, and

00:13:34.740 look at our border.

00:13:35.380 We're just coming in, truckloads, and the Biden administration's done nothing.

00:13:40.360 But says, oh, the border, it's under control.

00:13:43.280 Just seven million people whose identities we don't know living here.

00:13:46.960 And what they say in his term, there's over, I don't know how many of that they found that

00:13:51.260 were felons or they were terrorists or whatever, more than any other president.

00:13:54.880 Why do you think they're doing that?

00:13:56.620 Votes.

00:13:59.000 Votes.

00:13:59.680 All he wants is votes.

00:14:00.640 They just want to stay in office.

00:14:02.180 So you think they're going to make the illegals into voters? 1.00

00:14:05.520 I heard they're giving them voter cards and anything anyway.

00:14:07.820 They come in.

00:14:09.600 I don't know if it's true, but that's what I've heard.

00:14:11.680 Yeah.

00:14:12.040 I would think that's the only...

00:14:13.480 Why else would they let them in? 1.00

00:14:14.920 What is the reason Democrats want all these people to come in free?

00:14:20.900 And I got a guy that plays our senior tour, I don't miss his name, been here forever, won

00:14:25.060 majors, on the tour, and couldn't get a visa.

00:14:29.360 Really?

00:14:29.980 Yeah.

00:14:30.160 But yet, you're letting all these illegals come in, giving them whatever they want, makes 1.00

00:14:37.000 no sense to me.

00:14:38.260 But there's got to be a reason.

00:14:40.560 Votes.

00:14:41.560 I think it's both.

00:14:44.020 I don't know any other reason.

00:14:46.240 I don't know.

00:14:48.840 And that happened, like, instantly, the second Biden got there.

00:14:52.620 Yeah.

00:14:53.500 And no one says anything about it.

00:14:55.040 I feel bad for Arizonians, the good Californians.

00:14:59.580 Yeah.

00:14:59.740 Texans.

00:15:01.100 I mean, that whole border, man.

00:15:03.040 I mean, I feel bad for the farmers and everybody.

00:15:05.120 I mean, you see it every day.

00:15:06.760 I mean, the stories that these cut their fences, raiding their homes.

00:15:12.320 I mean, why would the President of the United States let these people do that to our own

00:15:18.900 Americans?

00:15:19.440 Maybe if you hated the country and wanted to destroy it, you would do that.

00:15:23.520 Well, apparently, what we've got up there right now, they must hate our country.

00:15:27.160 Do you think there's a chance Trump could win with a system like the one we have?

00:15:34.100 I don't know.

00:15:37.240 I'm looking at Iowa.

00:15:38.300 I'm looking at some of these states that are changing, that are kind of wanting to vote

00:15:41.800 for him.

00:15:42.640 But all I know is I hope he wins.

00:15:46.160 Yeah. 0.81

00:15:47.020 I'll have his back till I die.

00:15:49.000 He's one of the greatest human beings I've ever met.

00:15:50.640 The family's awesome.

00:15:51.500 Once you get to know him, they're just good-hearted people.

00:15:54.580 And he only wants to help Americans. 0.59

00:15:56.780 He doesn't want anything out of it.

00:15:58.460 And he wants to protect our country, which I think Putin never would have invaded Ukraine

00:16:03.380 if he'd have been.

00:16:04.880 And I don't think Thomas would attack Israel like they did if Trump was in office.

00:16:10.020 I truly believe that.

00:16:11.940 I think there's probably something to that.

00:16:14.180 I brought you some cigars, by the way.

00:16:15.740 You make cigars?

00:16:17.100 Yeah.

00:16:17.840 My buddy's in New York.

00:16:19.180 They're out of Dominican.

00:16:20.360 They're handmade.

00:16:22.200 I got the shorts.

00:16:23.000 I call the short game.

00:16:23.980 And I call the longs the long game.

00:16:26.380 Do you think that tobacco helps your game?

00:16:29.020 It relaxes me.

00:16:30.800 It's a press relief.

00:16:32.820 I mean, that's kind of your signature on the course, is a Marlboro?

00:16:36.400 Well, it takes us a while to play, so it's usually a pack around.

00:16:41.240 Have you ever been under pressure not to do it on the course?

00:16:44.140 No, the tour's been pretty good.

00:16:45.440 I mean, there's been places that we go when there's a drought or whatever,

00:16:49.580 and they said you can't smoke.

00:16:50.620 But I get these little things.

00:16:52.980 I never throw one on the ground.

00:16:55.060 What is that?

00:16:55.860 It's a little pallet, so you put them in.

00:16:58.180 This one's a little older.

00:16:59.180 I've got some new ones, but it's what the fire department wear.

00:17:01.980 Oh.

00:17:02.480 And you just stick it in there, throw it in there, put it in your pocket,

00:17:05.120 and empty the trash can.

00:17:07.200 When you own a golf course and you see cigars and cigarettes on your greens,

00:17:10.720 and they get in the green mowers, it kind of tends to piss you off.

00:17:13.500 Yeah, I believe that.

00:17:16.300 You think Tiger Woods would be better if he smoked?

00:17:19.500 Tiger's awesome.

00:17:21.500 I feel bad he's hurt, but...

00:17:23.500 You beat him hungover once.

00:17:26.280 I was still drunk, actually, but yeah, that was a funny story.

00:17:30.540 When and where?

00:17:31.340 That was at Sherwood, I don't know, the early 2000s.

00:17:36.260 It was the, there was only like 12 or 15 pros,

00:17:39.440 but we didn't play too good the first day,

00:17:41.920 and I'm sitting there with all my buddies.

00:17:44.740 One is Chris Legu, who's been a sponsor of mine since then,

00:17:48.300 and I was like 94.

00:17:51.400 It had to be 94.

00:17:52.800 It's been a long time ago.

00:17:53.720 And we have the round table, I'm sure it was,

00:17:56.020 and I got my ball with Jack Dano's then, and all our guys.

00:17:59.680 I just meet these guys, right?

00:18:01.680 Chris Legu is a car dealer in Ontario, California.

00:18:05.140 We became good friends.

00:18:06.920 He's been sponsoring me since then.

00:18:09.700 Wow.

00:18:09.840 Tiger came in, and I go, T, come have a drink with us, man.

00:18:13.800 Come on.

00:18:14.340 Nah, I'm going to go hit some balls.

00:18:16.220 Two hours later, we're still in there.

00:18:18.580 T.W., come on, man.

00:18:19.460 Come have a drink with us.

00:18:20.260 Nah, I'm going to go work out.

00:18:22.260 And this is going on for about five or six hours,

00:18:24.420 and we're still there just pounding, getting drunk,

00:18:26.100 having a good time.

00:18:26.980 I got a sponsorship out of it, which I was happy.

00:18:29.880 And T.W. comes out in a suit, a tux.

00:18:33.220 And I go, where are you going?

00:18:34.480 He goes, well, I got a guitar on stage for you.

00:18:37.580 You got to go to dinner.

00:18:38.420 I didn't know anything about a dinner.

00:18:41.040 I mean, Bud didn't even know about a dinner.

00:18:43.060 He always tells me when there's a dinner.

00:18:44.360 He says, you got to go.

00:18:45.080 I'm still in golf shoes.

00:18:46.040 I got no shoes on.

00:18:47.620 I mean, I got my golf shoes off.

00:18:49.120 I'm barefooted.

00:18:50.280 I got my shirt tucked out. 0.99

00:18:51.440 I got shit spilled all over me. 0.98

00:18:53.860 And I said, all right. 1.00

00:18:54.960 Reeking of Jack Daniels and Marlboro.

00:18:56.520 Oh, yeah, just drunk.

00:18:58.260 And he's played a trick on me.

00:19:00.360 So the ballroom wasn't very far, so I stumbled over there.

00:19:03.380 There's a chair and there's a guitar,

00:19:04.540 but it had nylon strings like Willie plays, right?

00:19:06.980 He didn't know.

00:19:08.900 You get your phone and you can, a little guitar tuner, tune it up.

00:19:13.020 I did knock it on Heaven's Door.

00:19:14.380 Got a standing ovation.

00:19:15.460 I said, I'll see you guys tomorrow.

00:19:16.820 Tee, I'll see you early in the morning.

00:19:18.700 So we tee off.

00:19:20.540 My caddy was drunk with us.

00:19:23.460 So there's only two times I've ever drank on a golf course.

00:19:26.980 One, I had a few Coors Lights.

00:19:28.520 We had a long wait.

00:19:29.820 Played the back nine at Riviera.

00:19:31.320 We had a long wait.

00:19:31.960 I downed four or five Coors Lights. 1.00

00:19:33.440 I was playing like shit. 0.99

00:19:35.640 And there's like four groups where you tee off on the front. 1.00

00:19:39.080 I downed those, shoot four or five under on that side and make the cut.

00:19:42.780 That guy ended up finishing third.

00:19:44.740 But the funny thing about Tiger was when I got on the tee,

00:19:47.880 I had my caddy bring me a crown or a jack and Coke,

00:19:52.480 and he's carrying the bag.

00:19:53.640 If you've never played Sherwood, the first hole,

00:19:56.460 he's walking and walking through all the cactuses and stuff going down this hill

00:19:59.860 not to spill my drink, I grabbed my three-iron and go on the tee.

00:20:04.420 Make a long story short, I shoot like 65, Tiger shot like 71,

00:20:08.120 and he just shook his head the whole day.

00:20:11.000 That's incredible.

00:20:12.020 That's fun.

00:20:14.400 So wasn't the lesson you should drink more on the golf course?

00:20:17.640 Well, I'm not saying you should, but I've only done it twice.

00:20:22.760 But there was only that one drink.

00:20:26.160 I think the statute of limitations are out for finding me right now.

00:20:30.160 Oh, so you're not allowed to do that?

00:20:32.800 No.

00:20:33.200 Like the Pro-Ams on our Champions Tour, you can have a few in the Pro-Ams.

00:20:37.460 Yeah.

00:20:38.080 But no, you can't drink them during the tournament.

00:20:41.700 Would you change that if you could?

00:20:43.340 Hell yeah.

00:20:43.920 I'd probably play better.

00:20:46.320 Do you play, like, in your private life with a beer?

00:20:50.500 I drink these.

00:20:51.720 Yeah, I drink a little bit of – I drink our good boy vodka.

00:20:53.900 I like to drink it straight with a little Diet Coke on the side.

00:20:56.440 You drink the vodka straight with Diet Coke, like a Diet Coke chaser?

00:21:00.120 Yeah.

00:21:01.160 All right.

00:21:01.560 I drink good boy vodka and now chase it with this.

00:21:05.420 You make your own vodka.

00:21:07.400 Yeah.

00:21:07.660 Alex Pratt owns it.

00:21:08.720 We've got a lot of great friends and investors, and we're really – we're in a lot of stores

00:21:12.920 now.

00:21:13.300 We're in Kroger, Walmart.

00:21:14.940 Circle K just took us on.

00:21:17.540 A lot of local – in Florida.

00:21:20.200 We started in Florida.

00:21:20.880 We're Key West all the way to Jacksonville with Circle K.

00:21:25.020 Kroger's huge in Kentucky.

00:21:26.580 We're in about 26 states now.

00:21:28.520 Total Wine, ABC's been wonderful.

00:21:31.080 Yeah, this is going to be my true retirement for my kids.

00:21:34.600 How many kids do you have?

00:21:36.400 Four I know of.

00:21:39.940 Have there been hints that you have others?

00:21:41.960 No, no.

00:21:43.000 Not yet.

00:21:44.160 Bud would have told me if I did.

00:21:46.520 Your agent keeps track of the paternity claims?

00:21:48.620 Pretty much, yeah.

00:21:49.260 No, I got three beautiful kids' blood, and then I got Anna's child, Caritza, that she's 0.96

00:21:54.800 been with me since she was two.

00:21:56.820 I feel like she's mine, so.

00:21:58.440 I see why.

00:21:59.320 Are any of them golfers?

00:22:00.580 Little John plays for the University of Arkansas.

00:22:03.940 We won the PNC a couple years ago.

00:22:07.260 So we're going to hopefully get it.

00:22:08.960 We finished second last year.

00:22:10.040 Hopefully we're going to do good this year.

00:22:11.800 Does it surprise you that Arkansas, which was always kind of insecure, let me in Arkansas,

00:22:15.480 is now like this popular state?

00:22:17.160 And your property values are dramatically higher, and people are moving to Arkansas?

00:22:22.580 Yeah.

00:22:22.920 I mean, Fayetteville is one of the, probably is one of the, Darnell, Fayetteville, a lot

00:22:27.500 of towns in Arkansas are voted.

00:22:30.140 And that population, number one, number two, safest places to live.

00:22:34.420 Yeah.

00:22:35.160 You know, Fayetteville, Arkansas is just, you come see our campus.

00:22:38.540 It is unbelievable.

00:22:39.540 Our sports stuff is, bar none, just football is just as big as NFL.

00:22:44.860 The stuff that we have for these kids are basketball, musclemen, coach form, baseball.

00:22:50.340 I mean, every sport's ranked.

00:22:51.820 We just got to get football back.

00:22:53.920 That'll happen.

00:22:54.820 What did you make of live golf?

00:22:57.120 I think it's great.

00:22:58.720 I mean, I would have played it.

00:23:02.040 Why the hostility toward it?

00:23:03.440 That's something that, you know, I was hoping that Fenton would say, okay, look, guys, you

00:23:07.980 play your 15 tournaments, go play it.

00:23:10.660 You know, we have to play 15 on the regular tour, and I think 11 and 12 on the Champions

00:23:15.380 Tour.

00:23:16.220 Once you do that, then let us go play wherever we want.

00:23:19.680 You know, I think golf's a growing game, and, you know, I'm not going to sit here and

00:23:23.820 deny.

00:23:24.080 I didn't get paid to go play Europe.

00:23:25.320 I got paid a lot of money to go play European events.

00:23:27.860 What's the difference?

00:23:28.560 You know, there's no difference, but, you know, I think golf's a growing game.

00:23:34.960 I think Liv's looks like it's a lot of fun.

00:23:37.540 Yeah.

00:23:38.040 I would be perfect.

00:23:39.080 They have concerts.

00:23:40.060 The guys have fun.

00:23:40.940 They can wear shorts, you know, and the pro-ams like we can now.

00:23:44.460 They can ride around in carts.

00:23:45.480 I mean, it's almost like playing the Champions Tour.

00:23:48.460 Yeah.

00:23:48.940 Three days of golf, no cut, but we'll say that Liv's got a little bigger purses than we 0.91

00:23:54.580 do on the Champions Tour.

00:23:55.580 Yeah, it's good to have 400 masters.

00:23:56.500 I mean, to win $4 million, $4 million for playing 54 holes, that's pretty good.

00:24:02.020 I'm not good at math, but that's a lot.

00:24:03.480 And then you got your team.

00:24:04.620 If you win your team, I think it's $900.

00:24:06.200 That's $3.6 million.

00:24:07.300 You get $900 extra thousand if your team wins.

00:24:10.940 Is it true?

00:24:11.640 Someone once told me that guys on the PGA Tour can actually wind up in the red at the

00:24:15.620 end of the tour from transportation costs.

00:24:19.440 Like, some people on the tour lose money.

00:24:21.780 Oh, yeah.

00:24:22.840 And that's one thing that Jay Monaghan did.

00:24:25.300 I think if you got your tour card, you're guaranteed to get $500,000, I think, bud.

00:24:31.400 I think you're guaranteed.

00:24:33.000 He's rolling with it.

00:24:34.060 Yeah, I think they give you $500,000, no matter what.

00:24:37.640 You get your card, I think now you get $500,000, which can pay your expenses easily for a year.

00:24:43.720 But some of the people are not making big money.

00:24:46.120 No.

00:24:46.680 No, you lose your card.

00:24:47.600 And $126 to $150,000, you might get a few.

00:24:49.960 But after $150,000, you're kind of on your own.

00:24:55.160 I read that you lost a ton gambling.

00:24:57.780 Yeah.

00:24:58.760 How'd you do that?

00:25:00.480 I had fun.

00:25:01.720 What kind of gambling?

00:25:03.160 It was blackjack back in the days. 1.00

00:25:04.800 You know, you could play seven.

00:25:06.420 You could play all seven hands.

00:25:07.700 They've changed it now.

00:25:08.440 You can only play three.

00:25:09.160 So I'm glad they did, because I quit blackjack.

00:25:12.860 But now I just play slot.

00:25:14.840 Have you ever won in slots?

00:25:16.040 Yeah.

00:25:16.880 Really?

00:25:17.300 Yeah.

00:25:18.240 How much do you think you lost to blackjack?

00:25:22.760 Probably lost over $90 million, probably won over $57 million.

00:25:26.240 So $39 million, $40 million, $50 million.

00:25:31.180 Seriously?

00:25:32.020 Yeah.

00:25:33.040 You don't sound bitter.

00:25:36.140 I did it.

00:25:36.960 Got to get over it.

00:25:37.700 Move on.

00:25:39.160 What casinos did you lose it at?

00:25:40.680 Oh, everywhere.

00:25:41.980 I love Vegas.

00:25:43.380 I went to a lot of them.

00:25:45.400 You know, I had such great contracts, good marketing, a million here, a million there,

00:25:49.160 a million there.

00:25:50.040 What's the most you let ride on a hand?

00:25:52.680 Probably around $400,000 to $550,000.

00:25:56.480 In one hand?

00:25:57.440 Yeah.

00:25:57.720 I had splits and double downs and all that.

00:26:00.980 Did you win it?

00:26:02.560 Sometimes.

00:26:03.080 Sometimes I lost.

00:26:04.600 More loss than I won.

00:26:06.180 I think it's supposed to work out that way.

00:26:07.780 Are you talking about some adrenaline now?

00:26:09.880 Really?

00:26:10.160 Really?

00:26:11.700 That's how people do it.

00:26:12.720 I mean, $20,000, that's $140,000 up right there.

00:26:15.500 So you're getting double downs and splits. 1.00

00:26:17.920 Shit adds up quick. 1.00

00:26:19.220 Did you play the odds, like play the card? 1.00

00:26:22.200 I mean, or did you go by gut?

00:26:24.480 A lot of times, if you've got a feeling you're on a roll, sometimes I would hit a hard 12.

00:26:29.280 Really?

00:26:29.500 Yeah, I would not hit it because, you know, you see a bunch of pictures on there, and I'm

00:26:35.000 thinking, there's got to be, just give me anything less than a 10.

00:26:38.580 Right.

00:26:38.920 I don't care if it's a two, and most of the time the dealer would break.

00:26:42.260 But they say don't hit on 12.

00:26:44.300 I know.

00:26:44.600 If a six or less is showing, unless it's an ace.

00:26:47.860 So you would play by intuition sometimes?

00:26:50.420 Yeah.

00:26:51.500 And do you think that worked better or not as well?

00:26:54.040 A buddy of mine said it's all feel.

00:26:56.940 You know, a two-decker goes really fast.

00:27:00.240 Yeah.

00:27:00.440 So you really can't get in the rhythm.

00:27:01.920 You do a six-deck shoot and you get on a run, oh, that's a home run.

00:27:06.320 But it only happens about one out of 10 times.

00:27:10.020 What's the most you won in one night?

00:27:11.400 I won $3.2 million, $3.3 million on slots, valleys one night.

00:27:18.540 What'd you do that night after?

00:27:20.240 I was sitting with a buddy of mine that was repping, you know, mate, or Tyler's that time,

00:27:24.280 Mata, and it was when me and Sherry got married, and I went to a $25 machine.

00:27:29.700 It was a 10-time machine, and I hit two 10s and a red 7.

00:27:33.200 I go, oh, I'm $75, 360 grand.

00:27:36.720 And he immediately went to the $500,000 and kept hitting $80,000, $100,000,

00:27:41.880 and it was the greatest night I've ever had in slot.

00:27:44.920 Where was that?

00:27:45.740 Valley.

00:27:46.540 In Vegas?

00:27:47.400 Yeah.

00:27:48.360 Did you cash out and walk out?

00:27:50.400 Actually, I took it and paid off markers and other casinos.

00:27:53.640 I got out of there free, though.

00:27:54.940 I got out of there.

00:27:55.600 That's like signing up for a new credit card to pay off the other ones.

00:27:58.060 Exactly.

00:27:59.140 Rob and Peter to pay Paul.

00:28:02.020 Did you still go to Vegas?

00:28:03.620 Yeah.

00:28:03.900 I go there, but I don't gamble like I used to.

00:28:06.320 I love playing the slots.

00:28:07.660 You know, if you come off the road three or four weeks, you're just tired.

00:28:10.120 I just want to sit there in front of a machine, smoke cigarettes, drink John Daly's,

00:28:14.000 and hopefully hit a jackpot.

00:28:16.200 I go to Hard Rock in Tampa.

00:28:17.380 I love it.

00:28:18.720 Hit my machine $240,000 twice in the last week.

00:28:22.200 In this week?

00:28:23.320 Last week.

00:28:24.360 Yeah.

00:28:25.020 $240,000.

00:28:26.860 Seriously?

00:28:27.720 Twice.

00:28:28.760 Which doesn't happen often.

00:28:32.020 What'd you put into it to get that?

00:28:33.440 Probably $150,000.

00:28:35.060 I mean, who knows, you know?

00:28:36.320 Right.

00:28:36.780 Like I said, you're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

00:28:39.440 So?

00:28:40.380 But it's fun.

00:28:41.360 Yeah.

00:28:41.800 You know?

00:28:43.340 Well, does anyone, what does your agent say?

00:28:47.540 I'm looking at him.

00:28:48.720 He don't like it too much.

00:28:50.580 He doesn't.

00:28:51.960 I don't like it too much.

00:28:53.200 But hey, it's the bad habit that I can get my adrenaline going again.

00:28:58.440 Just to, I mean.

00:28:59.620 Have you thought about skydiving or anything like that?

00:29:01.620 No.

00:29:02.420 Not.

00:29:03.320 The only diving I do is like, I'll belly flop in a pool.

00:29:07.180 I'm good at that.

00:29:08.620 But I don't go to the beats.

00:29:09.740 They don't allow whales on the beats.

00:29:10.980 So I don't go there.

00:29:12.100 I'm not going to wear a Speedo with this gut.

00:29:13.740 So even though you know the odds are stacked against you, and in the end you'll lose,

00:29:22.200 it's still worth it for the adrenaline rush.

00:29:23.660 Yeah.

00:29:24.280 You know?

00:29:24.740 It's just a bad habit that I love to do.

00:29:29.200 But I don't do, I don't get markers. 0.98

00:29:31.640 I don't do that crap anymore. 0.97

00:29:32.740 What happens, I've always wondered, if you're a whale in a casino and you start losing big 0.99

00:29:40.240 and you can't pay, where does that leave you?

00:29:43.340 That's why I don't get markers anymore.

00:29:44.900 But what do they do?

00:29:46.500 Well, you can do a down payment.

00:29:48.500 As long as you pay something, they're fine with it back in the day.

00:29:52.820 No threats?

00:29:53.860 No.

00:29:54.280 If you don't pay anything, you don't know who's going to come be knocking on your door.

00:29:57.840 Is that true?

00:29:58.660 I don't want that to ever happen to me.

00:30:00.120 No, it's true.

00:30:03.520 It can be.

00:30:05.140 You know people have gotten in trouble in gambling?

00:30:07.360 A few, yeah.

00:30:10.600 What happened?

00:30:11.480 Well, most of them, they go to the legal department, they get lawyers now.

00:30:14.400 But can you imagine back in the day what they'd probably done?

00:30:17.780 I think some knees would have been busted up. 0.99

00:30:20.420 Are the odds better in foreign casinos?

00:30:22.600 Do you play Monte Carlo?

00:30:24.260 Not even better.

00:30:25.240 It's all the same.

00:30:25.800 It's all stacked to the house, to the casino itself.

00:30:30.120 Why do you think they've got so much money?

00:30:32.020 Do you ever play play cow?

00:30:33.680 No, never got into it.

00:30:36.200 Craps?

00:30:37.340 A little bit.

00:30:38.660 Yeah, when I was bored, I bet nine for some reason all the time on craps.

00:30:42.940 And I actually did pretty good.

00:30:45.660 Is there anything you regret from your career?

00:30:48.500 No.

00:30:49.940 Really?

00:30:50.760 No.

00:30:51.080 No. 1.00

00:30:53.180 Well, we all do stupid things, but that's part of life. 1.00

00:30:55.880 The problem is doing them over and over again. 1.00

00:30:58.900 Right.

00:30:59.760 I might regret on some of that stuff I might have done.

00:31:02.320 Yeah.

00:31:03.380 No, I really don't.

00:31:04.680 I mean, you know, I think everything, it's just part of life, what we go through.

00:31:09.620 Not everybody's perfect.

00:31:10.700 We're all going to make mistakes.

00:31:12.460 But one thing I've always done is I've owned up to mine.

00:31:15.480 You've never, Bud's never had to lie for me.

00:31:18.480 I've never had to lie.

00:31:19.280 I've never lied.

00:31:19.900 I'll never lie in front of my fans and stuff.

00:31:21.760 Because if I screw up, I'm going to admit I screwed up.

00:31:26.100 I'm not going to hide it.

00:31:27.760 Because sooner or later, it's going to get out. 0.97

00:31:30.380 And then it just makes you look like a liar. 0.77

00:31:32.220 Yeah. 0.83

00:31:32.380 That's pretty much what the administration is right now.

00:31:34.340 No, it's totally right.

00:31:35.540 Is that why you're still around after all these years and all the drama?

00:31:39.540 You're still popular.

00:31:41.060 You're still working.

00:31:42.420 Because you didn't lie about it.

00:31:43.220 I love people.

00:31:44.140 I love my fans.

00:31:45.740 I love them to come out and watch me play.

00:31:47.400 And, you know, it's been disappointing these few years because I've been hurt.

00:31:51.400 And I haven't been able to play to my potential.

00:31:54.020 But they still come out.

00:31:55.180 And I love them for it.

00:31:56.280 And one thing, an athlete, if golfers are athletes, I guess they are now because they work out.

00:32:01.660 You mean if they're athletes.

00:32:03.540 I don't work out.

00:32:04.120 I put out.

00:32:05.760 You don't think of yourself as an athlete?

00:32:08.420 No.

00:32:09.820 No.

00:32:10.880 I mean, the hand-eye coordination required to hit a small ball downrange, doesn't that qualify you as an athlete?

00:32:18.320 Yeah, I guess.

00:32:19.080 I don't know.

00:32:19.560 I mean, yeah.

00:32:21.540 I'm not a guy that's going to go work out after a round or anything like that.

00:32:24.780 I mean, maybe.

00:32:26.140 There's been that talk if golfers are athletes.

00:32:28.260 But I will tell you this.

00:32:29.040 I guess I am because all the swings that we've taken.

00:32:33.060 I'll never forget playing a pro-am.

00:32:34.600 It's 120 degrees in Memphis with Brett Farr.

00:32:37.560 And we're on the great guy.

00:32:40.060 We're on the 16th total.

00:32:41.240 I think it's a part five at the TPC course there.

00:32:45.160 Southwind and it's hot. 0.91

00:32:48.440 And he's miserable. 0.96

00:32:49.680 And he's just slow. 1.00

00:32:51.440 So he looked at me and says, man, I'd rather have a 350-pound lineman come at me right now than doing this shit. 1.00

00:32:57.840 But it is. 0.99

00:33:01.120 It's, you know, we're always battling weather.

00:33:04.080 We're always playing in different places that the weather's good or bad.

00:33:07.860 You know?

00:33:08.820 And it's a tough sport.

00:33:11.860 And the swings, the poles that you take on the – your body takes on the swings that we do.

00:33:16.740 It catches up.

00:33:17.820 Oh, yeah.

00:33:18.740 What's the best course in the United States?

00:33:21.280 I'm kind of favored – well, Augusta's one of them, of course.

00:33:24.900 But Forty Pines South is one of my favorites.

00:33:27.640 Bay Hill was always one of my favorites.

00:33:29.080 Forty Pines in La Jolla?

00:33:30.120 Yeah.

00:33:31.160 Yeah, I was fortunate to win.

00:33:32.080 I think it's just a good classic, long, hard golf course.

00:33:35.940 And it's public.

00:33:38.160 Yeah, I've always loved Forty Pines South.

00:33:40.860 Interesting.

00:33:42.380 And what was the second one?

00:33:43.960 Bay Hill, Augusta.

00:33:45.400 Yeah.

00:33:47.300 Yeah, there's a ton of them, but those are my three favorites.

00:33:50.260 I always used to love to play for Arnie.

00:33:52.100 I'd always love going to Bay Hill and play his tournament.

00:33:55.040 Who are your favorite golfers?

00:33:56.720 Well, he's one of them, Jack.

00:33:58.280 Plus, he's probably my best friend ever.

00:34:00.460 He took me under his wing when I didn't even have my card.

00:34:03.940 Really?

00:34:05.880 Why?

00:34:06.880 I don't know.

00:34:07.300 He just liked me for some reason.

00:34:09.440 We became great friends, and he was a true friend.

00:34:13.440 You know, these guys out on tour now, they don't seem to do that as much as they used to.

00:34:20.140 They hang out with each other?

00:34:21.800 No, just like, you know, like they talk about who their idols were, but a lot of them didn't hang out with them.

00:34:27.800 You know, I love hanging out with Fuzzy.

00:34:32.060 I love hanging out with Arnie.

00:34:33.280 Just the stories, you know, Bay Hill locker room.

00:34:36.600 You know, there was a time with Stadler, Mahaffey, me, Fuzzy, Tom Watson, Jack, which was just sitting there.

00:34:42.580 You know, some of us were having a cocktail, some were drinking sodas, but they'd sit and tell the stories.

00:34:47.260 So, when famous golfers get together over a drink to tell stories, they tell stories about women or golf?

00:34:53.820 A lot of them.

00:34:55.280 Can you be more specific, Mr. Kahn?

00:34:56.740 No.

00:34:59.060 That's that lawyer-client privilege talk.

00:35:01.900 Some of the stories were amazing, but I can't tell them.

00:35:06.520 But just to be a part of looking at legends like that, idolizing these guys, to me, it was the greatest time.

00:35:14.000 And that's probably not just because Bay Hill is such a great golf course, but just sitting with these guys in Arnie's bar in the locker room.

00:35:22.260 And just, it's just, to me, that was the ultimate.

00:35:27.680 And you think that's gone now?

00:35:29.500 I don't see it happening.

00:35:30.640 I don't know, I haven't played the tour much.

00:35:32.580 You know, they took away, can't play cards in the locker rooms anymore.

00:35:36.720 So, a lot of guys don't hang out in the locker rooms anymore.

00:35:39.000 Why can't you play cards in the locker rooms?

00:35:40.300 I don't know, the tour just doesn't like us playing cards.

00:35:44.380 Might have been a little gambling going on there.

00:35:47.140 Well, I would think.

00:35:48.240 Yeah, but we just, we couldn't do it.

00:35:51.560 That's kind of, probably when I first came out, I think that they had stopped it.

00:35:56.220 Huh.

00:35:58.620 Last question, the caddy relationship.

00:36:00.640 How important is that?

00:36:04.220 Well, it's very important.

00:36:05.520 I mean, it's, it's got to be your best friend out there.

00:36:09.180 You got to, you know, you got to know the wind.

00:36:11.300 They got to know how far you hit this each and every club.

00:36:14.100 How, you know, they got a line, you know, your putting.

00:36:17.260 They got to know everything about you.

00:36:19.300 How good are caddies on average as golfers?

00:36:22.700 Well, some are great and some are friends that don't help.

00:36:25.820 You know, they're there just to carry the bag.

00:36:28.180 But some players are fine with that.

00:36:30.080 I'm kind of my own man.

00:36:32.020 I need help sometimes in the wind.

00:36:34.240 But other than that, I'm pretty much, whoever carries it, I don't really need a lot of help.

00:36:39.680 So you're not taking strategic advice from your caddy?

00:36:42.700 No, I will.

00:36:43.500 But will I listen?

00:36:44.760 Most likely not.

00:36:45.640 Interesting.

00:36:49.760 John Dealey, it was great to meet you.

00:36:51.520 You too.

00:36:52.540 About time.

00:36:53.220 It's been forever.

00:36:53.940 It certainly has.

00:36:54.680 I've been a fan for a long time.

00:36:56.360 We'll be able to smoke a cigar in a minute.

00:36:57.640 Let's do it.

The Tucker Carlson Show - December 13, 2023

John Daly

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