The Tucker Carlson Show - April 23, 2024


Journalist Michael Yon has seen the migrant crisis up close in Panama. What he describes is hard to believe.


Episode Stats

Length

43 minutes

Words per Minute

177.1444

Word Count

7,655

Sentence Count

555

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

35


Summary

Tucker Carlson: More people are coming across the U.S. border from foreign countries illegally than any time in American history . He says this is changing the country in a way that can't be undone . A former Green Beret, Michael Yan, has spent six months in the Darien Gap, Panama, where thousands of migrants from all over the world are moving to the United States .


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Tucker Carlson podcast. It's pretty obvious at this point that the corporate media
00:00:15.420 are dying quickly. But why? Because they lie. That's right. They lie. And they died as a result.
00:00:25.280 But at TuckerCarlson.com, we do not lie. We promise to bring you honest interviews and
00:00:29.120 commentary without fear. Here's our latest episode. So everyone who's paying any attention
00:00:33.960 at all knows that more people are coming across the U.S. border from foreign countries illegally
00:00:38.560 than any time in American history and that the American population is changing faster than any
00:00:43.000 time in the last 250 years. And that's not just true for the border states, Arizona, New Mexico,
00:00:48.380 California, Texas. It's true for at least 48 of the 50 states, the contiguous states. I mean,
00:00:55.140 small towns in Wisconsin and Iowa look completely different from what they looked like two years
00:01:01.040 ago. So this is changing the country in a way that can't be undone. There's no bigger thing that's
00:01:06.920 ever happened in American history than what's happening right now. And the question is, how
00:01:11.020 is it happening? Why is it happening? And who's allowing it to happen? And to answer those questions
00:01:16.480 to some extent, we had a pretty remarkable conversation about a month and a half ago with
00:01:21.400 Brett Weinstein, who's of course a scientist and an academic, now hosts a fairly famous podcast
00:01:26.840 called Dark Horse with his wife. And he went to the Darien Gap, which is literally the gap in the
00:01:34.380 Pan-American Highway from South America to the United States in Panama. It's one of the roughest places in
00:01:40.040 the world, famously. And he went there with a man called Michael Yan, who is probably the most
00:01:48.000 experienced war correspondent in the United States. Here's what he said about Michael Yan.
00:01:53.440 Well, I wound up there because Michael Yan had been sending me materials, thinking that I would
00:02:01.000 be interested in what was taking place in Panama. And of course, I was utterly fascinated by what I was
00:02:07.420 seeing. Now, some of your viewers may not know Michael. Michael is a former Green Beret who has
00:02:13.940 refashioned himself. Well, the last time I was on your program, I talked about Goliath.
00:02:19.800 Yes. And if there's a Goliath, there's a David. And I would argue that Michael Yan is like David's
00:02:27.320 eyes. He's been traversing the world, trying to understand a story that as yet has no name. And
00:02:34.580 that story is partially in the Darien of Panama. And it's all sorts of other places, including
00:02:42.000 in various U.N. installations. There's some story that is difficult to piece together. And he's been
00:02:49.380 physically traveling to all of its various epicenters and showing people.
00:02:55.220 So a year ago, it would have been pretty hard to find an English speaker who had been to the Darien Gap.
00:03:00.720 Again, it's famous. This region is famous for being the most lawless and dangerous place on
00:03:06.400 planet Earth. Michael Yan has now spent about six months in the Darien Gap, shooting film,
00:03:12.180 interviewing people. We're going to show you a lot of what he's found during the course of the
00:03:16.860 interview you're about to see. But one piece of tape that caught our eye, kind of remarkable,
00:03:21.380 a town of about 300 indigenous people, only about a dozen working toilets, deep in the jungle,
00:03:26.480 completely overrun by thousands of migrants from all over the world, including Africa and Asia. Watch.
00:03:56.480 All moving to your country. Now it's happening. That's the end of the United States, the country
00:04:10.760 that you grew up in. Irreparable. Forever. People in Washington, the people who control the Congress
00:04:17.120 and the White House seem to be in favor of this. And now they're just kind of saying it out loud.
00:04:21.320 Chuck Schumer, probably the darkest member of the United States Congress, of course, the head
00:04:26.420 Democrat in the Senate. He's telling us that we can't deal with any of that because Ukraine's border
00:04:32.360 is too important. It's Ukraine. It's only about Ukraine. Here's Chuck Schumer.
00:04:36.780 Let me make it clear. We made the overwhelming sentiment in that meeting is we got to do Ukraine
00:04:41.180 now. And there are other issues, including border, which we should address, but not now.
00:04:45.300 Right. So if you want to know what evil looks like in 2024, you just saw it. It's Chuck Schumer.
00:04:52.040 Okay. The embodiment of it right now. But we did want to see more tape and hear more firsthand
00:04:58.040 account from what it looks like at the other side, the Darien Gap, the beginning of the journey to our
00:05:05.160 country where this invasion is beginning. And so we are grateful now to speak to Michael Jan, who spent
00:05:11.940 more time there than maybe any American. Michael Jan, thanks so much for joining us.
00:05:17.240 So could you just start with the overview? What role, and maybe I've misstated it, but what role
00:05:23.480 does the Darien Gap play in the invasion underway of the United States?
00:05:28.840 It's absolutely vital, Tucker. You know, as soon as Biden was installed, I was actually in
00:05:34.680 D.C. for the quote unquote, you know, whatever it was where they installed him. And then I flew
00:05:40.460 straight within about 24 hours to El Paso, because I thought that the aliens would start flooding
00:05:48.180 across the border. And they did. And so from there, I flew down to Colombia, to the other side of the
00:05:55.000 Darien Gap, because I thought that the Darien Gap would end up being a major pathway to the United
00:06:00.820 States. And so went into the Darien Gap on the Colombian side, just not very far, just about an hour
00:06:09.140 inside. It's very dangerous over there. And I was there with Masako Ganaha, the famous Japanese
00:06:13.960 journalist, and Chuck Holton, a war correspondent friend who just got strafed yesterday in Burma.
00:06:19.700 But so we were out there in the Darien Gap on the Colombia side. We then flew over to Panama and went
00:06:26.160 down into the Darien Gap on the Panama side. And so I recognized this would likely be the major
00:06:33.180 invasion route of the United States. And so I just started spending a great deal of time down there.
00:06:37.600 I got to know many of the Imbara Indians and Kuna Indians and others down in the jungle. And I
00:06:43.660 started mapping out the pathways that they're coming in, getting to know members of the government
00:06:48.060 and that sort of thing. Now, keep in mind, a lot of people have no idea who I am, but I've spent
00:06:52.620 most of my life downrange overseas. I am an American, born and raised, was in the U.S. Army, that sort of
00:06:58.900 thing. But most of my life has been downrange. I would say two-thirds of my life has been in Middle
00:07:06.360 East, Asia, deep. I spent a year in and around China. I've written three books on Chinese information
00:07:13.200 more that are only in Japanese, actually, because I've been working to wake up Japan for years. So
00:07:18.320 in other words, I'm not coming into this flat-footed. I'm not coming into this as somebody who looks at a
00:07:23.460 map and thinks, hey, this might be the route. I'm looking at this as someone who has traveled
00:07:28.360 in about 100 countries or lived in so many countries. And so I realized these would be
00:07:34.600 the routes, likely the routes. So often when you see me leave Panama, I actually go to another
00:07:39.820 vital terrain, which is Netherlands, right? And I was there with Ava Vlardingerbrook and that sort
00:07:45.600 of thing whom you know. And so bottom line is there's a lot more going on here than just
00:07:50.520 the invasion. Obviously, the invasion is a kill shot to the United States. Now, anybody that can
00:07:57.020 get their feet anywhere into South America, which is pretty much most of the world at this point,
00:08:01.820 they can get to the United States very quickly. And they can do this through the Darien Gap.
00:08:06.220 Now, keep in mind, a lot of people ask, why don't they just fly to the United States? Many people do,
00:08:11.100 actually. Many people come on student visas and that sort of thing. And anybody that can
00:08:15.280 actually land closer, like many of the Chinese will actually fly to Mexico first.
00:08:19.860 Some will go to Cancun and go on vacation first. And if they can get a visa to Mexico,
00:08:25.300 they'll go to like Cancun and they'll meet their, what they call snakeheads in Mandarin
00:08:29.620 is what we call coyotes. The Chinese call them snakeheads. They'll meet up with their snakeheads
00:08:35.460 in Cancun or Mexico City or Tapachula. And then they had to cross up to, you know, Texas and whatnot,
00:08:42.080 Yuma, all these sorts of things. And by the way, I've been across the entire
00:08:45.280 US border from SpaceX all the way to San Diego, quite a lot. And on the Mexican side, also quite
00:08:51.840 a lot, but I've been across the entire US border. So now many of the actually Chinese will come
00:08:57.060 through the Northern border as do others, but back to Darien. So they don't all go through Darien.
00:09:02.860 Many actually use what's called the CBP one app. It's an application that they can use to fill out
00:09:08.520 this form and get on flights and fly straight from Bogota to the United States, or they fly from
00:09:13.800 Guatemala to the United States. I was just over in Guatemala checking that out, actually. And so
00:09:18.780 many people do fly in. The US is flying them in 24-7, but not everybody can do that. So now we have
00:09:27.100 maybe 3,000 a day coming in. The number is constantly changing, but we know the number
00:09:31.900 quarter over quarter is increasing coming through the Darien Gap because more infrastructure is being
00:09:37.060 put in. So it's facilitating it. And the main funder, by the way, is the United States. It's the
00:09:42.900 United States. I hear people constantly talking about how we should punish Colombia or punish Panama
00:09:48.420 or stay in Mexico. That's all nonsense. The people that are talking about stay in Mexico policy
00:09:53.980 have zero idea what's going on. It's like teaching calculus to somebody who doesn't actually know how
00:09:59.160 to add yet. The United States is the one that's behind most of this. The main engine is something
00:10:04.720 called IOM. Actually, most of the Border Patrol agents I talked with have never heard of the Darien
00:10:11.040 Gap, and they've never heard of IOM. IOM is the International Organization for Migration. That's
00:10:16.680 the main engine that is doing this. They are part of the United Nations. They have a big office down
00:10:23.240 in Panama at the City of Knowledge. It's right on the Panama Canal, actually. And there's more than
00:10:28.720 more than five dozen NGOs down there, IGOs, and nonprofits. The main one is IOM. You can see
00:10:36.940 people going through airports every day across the United States and Europe and Asia as well
00:10:42.440 with IOM tote bags and that sort of thing. But IOM actually has probably the best office space in all
00:10:48.940 of Panama. It's in Building 110 at the City of Knowledge. I was just there about seven days ago.
00:10:54.420 And it's right. They fly their flag. The City of Knowledge in Panama City used to be Fort Clayton.
00:11:01.440 All the veterans of Panama know what I'm talking about. Fort Clayton was the U.S. Army South
00:11:06.500 headquarters, right? Right. That's one of the most vital pieces of terrain on planet Earth. There's
00:11:12.120 almost no place on planet Earth more important than that little speck of land that overlooks the
00:11:18.860 Miraflores Locks, Panama Canal, the Panama Canal Railway, and the Thatcher Ferry Bridge.
00:11:24.420 The Thatcher Ferry Bridge is the bridge for Highway 1 that goes all the way down from, well, the tip
00:11:30.260 of South America up to Columbia. And then there's that gap. That's why they call it the Darien Gap,
00:11:35.560 because there's a break in the road, which they are about to hook together. And then that goes all
00:11:41.280 the way, that road, and Brett Weinstein talked about it on your show. Brett did excellent down there,
00:11:46.020 by the way. And that man loves the jungle. But that highway goes all the way up to Prudhoe Bay,
00:11:51.420 Alaska. And so that's a key highway. So you've got Panama, such a vital piece of terrain,
00:12:00.860 because first of all, the Panama Canal. And secondly, the Panama Canal Railway is important,
00:12:06.360 believe it or not. And that road. And Panama, just the location is vital. Now, we need the Panama Canal
00:12:12.940 for trade, for one thing, but we also need it to get our Navy through, right? And so we're slowly
00:12:18.880 losing Panama. The NGOs that are causing these invasions, like IOM, HIAS, Catholic Charities,
00:12:25.980 and so many more, are also taking over governments. Now-
00:12:29.940 Wait, may I ask you to pause for a second? It sounds like from your reporting that the NGOs
00:12:37.560 and the UN are vital, like this wouldn't be happening without them. So let's just pause,
00:12:42.780 if you don't mind, and explain. You just mentioned three. You mentioned the UN Agency for Migration,
00:12:48.820 the one devoted to destroying the United States. What are the second two? One was Catholic Charities,
00:12:53.580 and what was the middle one? Oh, there's at least 250. But in City of Knowledge, there's at least
00:13:00.040 62, 63. I've got somebody doing a study on them now. But the HIAS is one. That's the Hebrew
00:13:07.560 Immigrant Aid Society. And that's actually, interestingly, Doug McGregor, whom you've had on
00:13:14.240 your show, told me back when, he said, you know, Mayorkas, Ali Mayorkas, Homeland Security Chief,
00:13:22.540 was actually a board member on HIAS. And then he moved over to the Department of Homeland Security,
00:13:29.140 which, you know, recurses back to what I was just mentioning. These NGOs are working hard to take
00:13:34.800 over various countries. For instance, HIAS, you know, the board member, Mayorkas, went to take over
00:13:41.960 the Department of Homeland Security. Now, Mayorkas was down there in Darien. I got word that he was
00:13:47.320 going in 2022. So I got in front of him, and I waited for him for four days in the Darien.
00:13:52.540 Because I suspected where he might land, and he did. Four days later, he landed in front of me,
00:13:57.180 four Blackhawks. He went right into San Vicente Camp, which I call China Camp. And he was there
00:14:03.780 with the South Com Commander, Laura Richardson. He was there with also the Ambassador Aponte and some
00:14:14.240 others. And so basically, he was coming down there with fistfuls of money to increase the size of the
00:14:19.300 camps and increase the flow through the camps. So I'll show you drone footage. Actually, I've already
00:14:23.880 given it to your team. Pardon my dumb questions, but why would the head of the Department of Homeland
00:14:29.480 Security want to destroy the United States? Do you have any idea?
00:14:32.740 I can't read his mind, but I can read his actions. He's clearly doing it. They're clearly doing it.
00:14:42.260 And Hiass has an office 40 yards away from the front gate. You know, again, Brett Weinstein and
00:14:49.220 Dr. Chris Martinson were down there, and we were down in the Darien, and I said, there's Hiass right
00:14:54.640 there. Of course, they hadn't heard of Hiass. I waited until we were right in front of them to
00:14:58.240 explain what they were, because Hiass is right there at the camp, 40 yards away from the front
00:15:03.620 gate. That's the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Usually, I hit Catholic charities and whatnot,
00:15:09.040 but when I started hitting Hiass because we saw the impeachment proceedings with Mayorkas, right?
00:15:18.520 And so that's why I lifted and shifted from Catholic charities and others and started focusing on Hiass.
00:15:23.360 Of course, you know, the anti-Semite remarks come up and whatnot. But the bottom line is,
00:15:27.160 he did come from, you know, as you know, Mayorkas is a migrant from Cuba, right? And so both of his
00:15:35.040 parents were Cuban Jews, and that's why he was a board member on Hiass, right? So this all fits
00:15:41.160 together. So the bottom line is the United States, that's why I say the stay in Mexico policy is
00:15:45.560 absolutely irrelevant. It's ridiculous. It's not going to work. We're flying them in every day.
00:15:50.700 They're coming across the Canadian border night and day. So, and we're the ones doing it.
00:15:55.840 I'm sorry to ask you to pause, but I just, this feels important. I'll confess my ignorance right
00:16:00.860 up front. I never heard of Hiass until right now, but I have heard of Catholic charities. What's their
00:16:05.240 role in this? You know, there's many Catholic charities, by the way. They've got it distributed
00:16:09.640 quite a lot. How many are in Florida? It might be, I can get back to you. It might be 18. I'm sorry,
00:16:15.060 I've forgotten. But they, so they have many different groups even here and all over the place,
00:16:20.240 all over the United States. But Catholic charities is, I think, Catholic in name only perhaps.
00:16:26.120 But if you go down to the border in Texas or in Mexico, I've been to Catholic charities in Mexico
00:16:31.000 as well. You'll see them running the camps, running, you know, near McAllen, all over the place. I mean,
00:16:36.960 very serious human trafficking. They bring in at least hundreds of millions of dollars. I can get
00:16:41.760 you specifics. Those numbers, of course, change year by year. Hiass is the same. I mean,
00:16:46.380 these are big players. But keep in mind, the main engine is IOM.
00:16:52.540 So all of these groups are working to, I mean, they're working to violate federal law,
00:16:59.100 which in a democracy we send our representatives to D.C. to vote on, right, reflecting our will,
00:17:03.980 supposedly. And so these are obviously criminal organizations. So why is no one doing anything
00:17:09.620 about it? Straight up criminal. I mean, we could go on for hours about that. And the, you know,
00:17:16.080 the headquarters for IOM is actually in Geneva, right? And that's where Amy Pope, the American,
00:17:24.680 is in charge of highest, I'm sorry, of IOM. And Amy Pope took that position maybe five months ago
00:17:32.480 or so. And she's bragging about it. She's got a little sign on her desk up at Geneva, boss lady.
00:17:39.520 You know, she brags that the United States is the number one funder of IOM. And we are. And the
00:17:44.820 number two funder is Germany. And the number three is Canada. Interestingly, I was just up in El
00:17:50.720 Salvador. I was just up in Honduras and Guatemala and where else? I mean, basically, I've been in
00:17:58.020 every country in Central America. But the bottom line is, is in El Salvador, IOM is sharing office
00:18:05.140 space or sharing a building with the Canadian embassy. So in other words, again, Canada is the
00:18:11.980 number three donor to IOM. And up in Honduras, IOM is sharing office space with the Canadian consulate
00:18:21.800 there as well. So they're in the same building. We physically went there, right? So IOM is literally
00:18:27.040 with the Canadians in both of those countries, right? It's unbelievable the things that we see
00:18:31.780 when we go on the ground. So IOM hands out rape kits. I brought some of these rape kits to some
00:18:37.320 congressmen, you know, up in Washington. Actually, we brought an Indian up there, Francisco Agape. He's
00:18:43.220 the mayor of 29 of the Embraer Indian villages. He spoke with about 12 congressmen. But IOM actually
00:18:49.280 hands out rape kits because so many of the women and children are raped in the jungle that they started
00:18:55.600 handing out rape kits with male condoms, female condoms, those after, you know, rape pills, abortion
00:19:02.980 pills, those sorts of things. And yeah, I would show these things extensively. And interestingly, I just got a
00:19:09.840 message from the jungle. You know, there's a team out there right now. I'm looking at it right now. I'm looking
00:19:15.820 at their location. But Ben Berkwam is out there right now with Oscar Blue. And they got just last night, actually,
00:19:25.480 I sent it to your team. A bunch of people came in from different countries, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan.
00:19:31.700 This was late at night, deep, deep in the jungle. They went in by helicopter. They're there right now.
00:19:39.200 And so they were out with Cinefront. Cinefront is sort of the Panamanian sort of Border Patrol police
00:19:45.960 slash army. Panama doesn't have an army, but they're sort of like those three things blended in.
00:19:51.800 They're extremely professional. They're very fit. They're very well trained. And so this team right
00:19:57.560 now is out with a special forces team of Cinefront in the jungle. And last night, they came up on this,
00:20:04.580 or this group came up on them, two groups. And the Cinefront said another group of terrorists just
00:20:09.920 came in, right? You know, what's very interesting is Venezuela, the main, most of the people coming in
00:20:16.240 at this point are Venezuelan, right? And there is a large presence of Hezbollah in Venezuela, which is
00:20:23.360 quite interesting because Hezbollah is extremely dangerous, right? So we've got Hezbollah down there
00:20:28.580 who speak Spanish fluently, natively, actually. Actually, there's a village in Lebanon where they
00:20:34.040 speak Spanish. There's a lot of bounce back, back and forth. But the bottom line is Iranians can fly
00:20:40.060 into Venezuela, get a new passport right when they go there. Venezuela has a close relationship
00:20:44.700 with China and, of course, with Russia. And, I mean, Hezbollah is thick in Venezuela. In 1994,
00:20:52.280 there was a Hezbollah bombing in Argentina at a Jewish center, 385 casualties, 85 were killed,
00:20:59.340 about 300 wounded. And within 24 hours, there was a bombing in Panama. An airplane blew up and killed,
00:21:06.340 I think, 12 Jewish people and about 10 others. Actually, I met recently with one of the family
00:21:11.220 members of three of the Jewish people that were killed. And Hezbollah did that. The mastermind of
00:21:16.160 that Hezbollah bombing is now believed to live in Venezuela and has a bar, you can't make up this
00:21:21.780 stuff, on Margarita Island, right? So, I mean, they know who he is. They know where he lives. They know
00:21:27.080 the bar that he runs, right? And yet, Hayes continues to help Hezbollah get into the United States.
00:21:35.020 You can't make up this stuff. Literally, Jewish money is helping Hamas and Hezbollah get into the
00:21:40.880 United States. I mean, this is Stephen King stuff. Yeah.
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00:23:25.180 So, I mean, you've just given us a lot here, and I hope you'll come back. But let me ask,
00:23:35.820 so you're a war correspondent. I think you spent more time embedded in Iraq than any other journalist,
00:23:41.460 but you certainly know the business of journalism. How many other journalists from American news
00:23:48.120 organizations are spending time trying to figure out how this invasion is happening? How many New York
00:23:52.960 Times correspondents do you run into in Darien, for example? Well, that's a funny question. I was just
00:23:59.420 down there with Laura Loomer, and I took Epoch Times and some others. And I'm doing what's called
00:24:07.020 force multiplication. Ann VanderSteel and I have, we started something called Operation Burning Edge.
00:24:13.700 In fact, we saw that you went to Colony Ridge, which, very good, sir, which was, that's north of Houston.
00:24:19.140 That's that big, you know, 200,000 strong colony that's being built north of Houston. You were
00:24:25.820 probably their derivative of our actions. Once we realized that Colony Ridge was that, was what it
00:24:33.340 was, Todd Benzman dialed me in. Todd Benzman and I, he's an author. He's a former intelligence guy. He's a
00:24:39.460 friend of mine. But he wrote a book called Overrun. And the last chapter of his book, he talks about
00:24:43.880 Colony Ridge. So I'm going somewhere. I'm going to answer your question, but I'm going around the
00:24:48.600 block to do it. So Todd and I, we went to Colony Ridge because Todd thought that I could kind of
00:24:52.800 blow that out of the water. And, and so we went there with drones and the drones wouldn't get high
00:24:57.460 enough. You've been to Colony Ridge. So I said, let's go get a helicopter. And we went to the
00:25:01.140 airport and we got an airplane. And so we went back over that day and flew over it. And I said,
00:25:06.160 this thing is massive. Let's go get a helicopter and come back with some other guy. So, so Ann VanderSteel
00:25:12.280 and I started Colony Ridge or started, we started Operation Burning Edge. And then we brought over
00:25:18.300 Daily Wire. We brought over a couple of congressmen. We brought over quite a few people
00:25:23.320 and, and we got them up over Colony Ridge with the express intent on blowing this up so that people
00:25:29.140 like you would pay attention. Now we then went down to SpaceX and we spent two or three weeks down there
00:25:34.840 at SpaceX. We never reached out to Elon Musk. We never even emailed or messaged to SpaceX. We just,
00:25:40.820 we went there with the intent of prodding Elon to start paying attention to the border. SpaceX at
00:25:47.140 Boca Chica is right on the border. So you see literally people coming across the border and onto
00:25:53.120 SpaceX property. And so we got, you know, videos, photos of that. And the next thing you know, you
00:25:58.660 know, you see Elon Musk paying close attention to the border. Now I'm saying all that to set the table
00:26:04.180 for what I'm saying next. So when we go down to the Darien Gap or I go over to Netherlands,
00:26:09.420 I'm doing what's called force multiplication, right? And Vander Steele and I, we've taken a lot
00:26:14.780 of people down there. We've taken a lot of journalists. We've taken a lot of Intel people.
00:26:19.240 We've taken two congressmen to the Darien Gap, just a lot. And so, so how many people spend a lot
00:26:25.720 of time down there? That would be me. But, and, and trying to understand this on a global scale,
00:26:31.820 Todd Binsman's trying, there are a few, but Todd Binsman's not really a journalist,
00:26:36.260 but he's written books about this sort of thing, but there are very few of us, but we would fit in
00:26:41.520 the short bus. Now, people who study this on the larger war level and, and have done this for years
00:26:48.740 all over Asia and that sort of thing, and has studied Chinese information war and that, that's
00:26:53.660 me, right? So when it comes to the top level stuff and the reason I go to places like Netherlands and
00:27:00.140 I'm watching all of these routes, there's more to this than just the invasion, right? There is,
00:27:05.640 there's energy at stake. For instance, you see the, the Nord Stream was destroyed, obviously.
00:27:12.540 Now, long before Nord Stream was destroyed, I was warning that Nord Stream might be destroyed.
00:27:17.280 And I was warning that for very specific reasons. And I went to BASF twice, I'm going somewhere with
00:27:22.620 this. It all relates to the, to the so-called migration, the invasions. You know, you, you need
00:27:28.740 that natural gas to do something called the Haberbosch process. The Haberbosch process is one of the most
00:27:34.440 important chemical processes ever invented by man. That's where you take the hydrogen off of natural
00:27:40.920 gas and you combine it with the nitrogen that we're breathing. And you make, you make ammonia and
00:27:46.680 you make ammonium nitrate, ammonium, you make urea, you make these nitrogenous fertilizers, right? That, that
00:27:52.460 process was first envisioned in 1903 by a German chemist named Fritz Haber. He wrote it in a book on
00:27:59.340 thermodynamics, but it was very difficult to do. And in 1908, he finally made some, and then it was very
00:28:05.700 difficult though. So another German chemist came in, Karl Bosch, and he started, he brought it industrial and
00:28:11.360 he did that first at BASF at Ludwigshof in Germany. That's the biggest chemical company in the world.
00:28:17.380 I'm going somewhere very important with this. Yes. That chemical company BASF is on the Rhine
00:28:21.720 river, which is like the Mississippi river of Europe, let's say. And that dumps out at Rotterdam.
00:28:27.060 Rotterdam is the biggest Harbor in Europe. It's one of the top 10 in the world. Just South of Rotterdam
00:28:32.540 is Antwerp in Belgium. That's the second biggest in the world, right? And not the second biggest in the
00:28:38.900 world, but second biggest in Europe. So these are main arteries in Europe, right? And so now
00:28:44.360 Rotterdam is also, there is a railway that goes all the way from Shanghai and other feeders in China
00:28:50.260 all the way across Asia. And it dumps out at Rotterdam, right? That's why I've been to the
00:28:56.580 Shanghai side. I spent about a year running around China, out in Tibet and those sorts of things. And
00:29:01.580 it goes all the way across Asia and it goes to Rotterdam. That's why Netherlands is highly targeted
00:29:07.840 with this destructive migration, quote, unquote. It's an invasion, right? And the World Economic
00:29:15.920 Forum and the Chinese Communist Party, keep in mind, they are co-sanguinated. They are inseparable
00:29:20.840 at this time. They're going to end up fighting in the future. I strongly believe the Chinese
00:29:26.320 Communist Party and World Economic Forum. But they're working to make something called tri-state
00:29:31.060 city. Tri-state city, three-state city, will be most of Netherlands, part of Belgium, and part of
00:29:38.000 Germany. This will then include Antwerp and Rotterdam, right? And replacing with 30 million
00:29:47.020 people they're coming in with, right? So you see those Dutch farmers that they're knocking out? I'm
00:29:51.280 out with those Dutch farmers a lot. They're doing the same to the fishermen. Anyway, we could go down that
00:29:56.160 rabbit hole. Let's go back to, let's go back. I'm going somewhere very important with this, back to
00:30:01.240 BASF. So I did two tours or so in BASF before the Ukraine war. And because I thought, or actually as
00:30:10.340 it started, because I thought Nord Stream might get interrupted. And I thought this for various reasons.
00:30:16.600 And because of nitrogenous fertilizers, right? So we're in the plant. It's this huge plant. And I said,
00:30:22.040 I was there with Masako Ganaha, the famous Japanese journalist, actually. And I asked the
00:30:26.760 tour guide, I said, what happens if Nord Stream gets interrupted? And he said, well, BASF is dead,
00:30:33.360 right? And then I bought an iPad, which I kept beside me for months. Sorry, sir. I need my water.
00:30:42.880 I have a long history with water. And so I asked him, you know, what happens if that goes? And he
00:30:52.000 said, BASF is dead. Now, so I kept an iPad right beside me. And I just, I bought that iPad only to
00:31:00.560 keep this one website open that monitored the flows through Nord Stream, right? And at one point it went
00:31:06.940 to zero. And I said, wow, it has gone to zero. So I started calling a few people. I said, hey,
00:31:12.200 something wrong with that website or did they just hit it? And well, it bubbled to the sea,
00:31:17.020 right? And so, and everybody's like, well, we didn't expect that. Well, I'm like, well,
00:31:20.740 then you're not paying attention because that was obviously on the menu. So then, well, now you can
00:31:26.740 see BASF is moving to, they're moving their main facilities over to China, right? You see why I go
00:31:32.560 to BASF and why I'm watching these things. Now, last March, I left Panama and I flew back to
00:31:37.400 Netherlands for the election, for the election, go ahead, sir. Were you going to say something?
00:31:42.260 Well, I, again, I hate to reveal my ignorance since I try to pay attention to this, but I didn't
00:31:47.680 realize BASF, obviously the biggest chemical company in the world, probably most, single most
00:31:51.440 important company in Europe is moving to China. I didn't know that.
00:31:56.840 Not all of it. They're also opening facilities in other places that are increasing presence in the
00:32:01.140 United States, as an example. But that hit on Nord Stream was a direct hit. Now, I also moved,
00:32:07.120 they're not leaving Germany, but you know, as BASF goes, you might say Germany goes, right?
00:32:12.820 So I told that to Jordan Peterson. I had Jordan Peterson out at those, you know, at a farm in
00:32:17.760 Netherlands and that sort of thing. I'm like, Jordan, watch Nord Stream. I mean, you know,
00:32:21.920 that was before it was gone. And so anyway, it's gone. So last March, I went up to...
00:32:26.620 But can I just ask you a question? So the Biden administration is responsible for the destruction
00:32:32.260 of Nord Stream. Okay. So, and I, that will...
00:32:35.520 Either that or space aliens.
00:32:44.940 I'm betting Biden, I mean, they did it. Okay. And they said they did it effectively. But why would
00:32:50.860 the Biden administration, why would the Secretary of State, Tony Blinken, want to destroy Europe?
00:32:58.960 Which they've done. Why would they want that?
00:33:03.200 There's layered reasons for this. And let me continue to say something else and then
00:33:07.460 we'll recurse back to that because it'll help answer that question. So last March, I left the
00:33:13.120 Darien Gap and I went back to Netherlands. They had elections. I was there for the elections.
00:33:17.360 And then I went to Groningen gas field, which is in Netherlands. That's the biggest gas field
00:33:23.460 in Europe. And I was warning that I think they're going to close Groningen next. And people said,
00:33:30.100 you're crazy. And I said, well, I wasn't crazy about Nord Stream, was I? And now they've closed
00:33:34.060 Groningen, right? Groningen is also closed now, right? And there was, it wasn't destroyed or anything.
00:33:39.660 They did it through information war. As you well know, the highest form of warfare is information war,
00:33:44.300 bottom line, right? So it's information war that sets the table for these actions. So your question,
00:33:50.660 why would they do this? Multiple questions. If the paradigm that I'm operating under is accurate
00:33:56.360 and it appears to be, it's highly predictive. By the way, since I was a young child, I was
00:34:02.300 deeply immersed in physics. I always thought I would grow up to become a physicist and that's all
00:34:07.440 I cared about. I was basically failing school because I was just rain man on physics. So that's how I
00:34:12.680 kind of learned my base thinking process was reading people like Richard Feynman and that sort
00:34:17.440 of thing, right? And one of the things that those very serious scientists of the day would say is if
00:34:22.380 you have a theory and it's wrong, then throw it out, you know, you may have to throw the whole thing
00:34:27.220 out. So I call it the paradigm. So I, over time, since I was a young teenager, actually, I've always
00:34:33.580 worked on paradigms that do two things. One is they don't leave me surprised because if you feel
00:34:39.740 surprised, and I don't mean waking up with a snake on your face in the jungle, that's a different kind
00:34:43.880 of surprise, but if you feel surprised, then your paradigm is wrong, right? So you need to either
00:34:49.760 tweak it or throw it out. Never get emotionally attached to your ideas. They're not that important
00:34:54.900 unless they turn out to be right. And also your paradigm should be predictive, right? That's why
00:35:01.140 when Biden was installed, I flew straight to the El Paso border and straight down to Columbia at the
00:35:06.020 Darien Gap and straight to Panama at the Darien Gap. That's why I was at Darien Gap. That's why I was
00:35:11.020 thinking that they would do what they're doing now, which they're doing, which is increasing it and
00:35:15.000 making it a major invasion route. That's why I've gone to BASF twice. That's why I was warning in writing
00:35:21.640 and on interviews, I think something's going to happen to Nord Stream, actually, which would cause
00:35:27.560 BASF to crumble, which is as BASF goes, Germany goes. And I think that they were going to close,
00:35:33.860 for instance, growing in gas fields. Now they have, right? And it's all just based on listening
00:35:39.360 to people like Feynman and running with it for the rest of my life, developing paradigms that never
00:35:44.820 leave me surprised and they're highly predictive, right? So what you're describing is a war against
00:35:52.680 the West. Now, under the paradigm that I'm working under, there are clearly people trying to drive us
00:35:56.380 into global famines. I started warning about global famine in January of 2020, right? It's clear that if
00:36:03.240 you want to set the table for global famine, you want to knock out those nitrogenous fertilizers.
00:36:08.360 That's one thing that you want to do. You want to take those off the table because in 1914,
00:36:13.260 when the Panama Canal opened is actually when they also started doing the nitrogenous fertilizer
00:36:17.140 production at the same year, 1914 at BASF at Ludwigshoff in Germany, right? So you see the world
00:36:23.240 population starts to explode then. It didn't just explode because we had faster ships, bigger ships, and
00:36:29.080 faster railways, and that sort of thing, but that's part of it. And also, it exploded for other reasons
00:36:34.100 as well, like refrigeration and electricity, but also nitrogenous fertilizers is a huge part of it.
00:36:40.600 So if you're going to cause famine, what would I do? Let's see, I would cause a war in Ukraine,
00:36:46.820 right? That's one thing I would do. That's why I was over in Lithuania before the war in Ukraine,
00:36:51.660 warning that something may happen. I was down in Morocco. I was watching Morocco push
00:36:56.680 weaponized migration into Souta and Melilla. These are two Spanish cities that are in Morocco.
00:37:04.220 So you've got EU cities in Africa, right? So if you can get into Souta or Melilla, you're actually
00:37:09.740 in the EU. So I was down in Morocco and watching them, you know, basically needle Spain and the EU
00:37:17.000 with weaponized migration. By the way, I want to be very clear. I'm not talking bad about Morocco.
00:37:21.940 I love Morocco and you're the first country who recognized us. I always thank Moroccans when I see
00:37:27.240 them. You know, Moroccans always say, yeah, no Americans realized that Morocco was actually one
00:37:32.980 of the first countries to recognize the United States when we declared independence. We have a long
00:37:37.560 relationship. It's quite solid, right? But they definitely used weaponized migration against the EU
00:37:43.840 and Spain, right? So I was down in Morocco and we watched Frontex. Frontex did a report. Frontex is
00:37:50.620 sort of the EU equivalent of Border Patrol for the EU. They're basically useless. But they told us that
00:37:57.760 the Belarus was trying to push migrants into Poland and Lithuania, right? So I lived in Poland for two
00:38:05.400 years. And also I knew the Lithuanians quite well because I was with them in the war in Afghanistan.
00:38:09.920 So I called up a senior officer in the Lithuanian army. I said, hey, I'm down in Morocco. Why is
00:38:15.440 Belarus pushing, trying to push people into Lithuania? He said, fly up here and we'll take
00:38:20.620 you to the camps. So the next day I was in Vilnius sitting in front of top members of the government.
00:38:26.080 I stayed there for five weeks. They gave me complete access to the camps. I was with them in
00:38:30.480 Afghanistan so that, you know, they knew who I was and that sort of thing. So it was quite helpful.
00:38:34.880 So I got to interview many of the aliens coming in and their routes and that sort of thing.
00:38:40.360 And as you see, when I was actually in Lithuania, I started to warn, something's up. This weaponized
00:38:45.600 migration didn't just come out of the blue, right? I mean, when you're doing information war and you're
00:38:51.260 doing, I always watch the information wars first. But weaponized migration is often a precursor for
00:38:57.460 something bigger, right? But sometimes the weaponized migration is just, that is the main weapon.
00:39:03.740 Like for instance, when I was in Tibet, excuse me, hold on, let me, let me go back to China and I'll
00:39:08.460 talk about weaponized migration. I love water. And the, the weaponized migration is, is it's an old
00:39:18.940 weapon of war. It's been done in, you know, since space and time and Tibet, you know, some of the,
00:39:25.900 of the Tibetan genocide, that's what it was. It was kinetic, of course, but a lot of it's just
00:39:32.020 Han Chinese coming in and mass. I mean, just moving in and elbow, they're doing the same in
00:39:38.920 Xinjiang right now with the Uyghurs, right? Now, when I was in Hong Kong, I got kicked out of Hong
00:39:42.980 Kong. It was sort of famously kicked out of Hong Kong. I was a bad boy, but they, but one of the
00:39:48.920 ways that the Chinese Communist Party took Hong Kong was they weaponized migration. They were just
00:39:54.320 bringing in Han Chinese every day, 100 to 150 or so per day, not many, just enough to keep it below
00:40:01.860 the threshold of making people go crazy. And they took positions as teachers, professors. They opened
00:40:08.380 a Confucius Institute, of course. They, politicians, police, that sort of thing, right? And so they,
00:40:15.820 they slowly took over the cockpit until they just took Hong Kong. And, and so that's a low level
00:40:23.500 form. You know, I was just down in Honduras and for instance, I had dinner with a retired army
00:40:30.740 general there. He was like their chairman of the joint chiefs actually. And I asked to have dinner
00:40:35.340 with him. So we had dinner, it went on. And the reason I wanted to have dinner with him is because
00:40:39.020 he's of Chinese descent. And I think it was his grandfather came to Honduras in, in 2000 and, or
00:40:45.600 sorry, 1923. And, and, and so he's what the Chinese Communist Party calls an overseas Chinese,
00:40:52.680 right? And so they, the Chinese Communist Party works very hard in their information game to recruit
00:40:57.920 people like that. So I had specifically asked to meet with this man because he had been invited to
00:41:03.460 China, right? And he'd been invited there to the village where they said his family came from. They
00:41:08.240 had a parade for him. They always do that. They had a parade for him. They took him to the graves of
00:41:13.300 his family. They always do that as well. And then they, now they've had him in China seven times. Now,
00:41:18.320 as I talked with him for three or four hours that night over dinner in Honduras, a few months ago,
00:41:23.540 he said, China is not coming to take up, to, to attack the world. They're coming to become the world.
00:41:31.240 And I said, exactly. Because again, I've written three books on Chinese information war. I could go on
00:41:36.660 for days about it. But the bottom line is I understand how they're doing this. I was just
00:41:41.400 over in San Salvador. I know you've been over there talking with president Bukele. He's done a great job
00:41:46.880 cleaning that place up. There's a big library downtown with a big Chinese communist flag waving
00:41:52.120 out front at seven floors. I was just in that library because I always go to libraries. I always
00:41:57.720 go to museums. I always go to archeological digs because I'm tracking the, the, the, the trailheads of
00:42:04.960 information war. And by the way, that's why I went to Honduras because the Chinese communist party
00:42:09.140 is doing an archeological dig there. They're trying to persuade all the Mayan Indians and others that
00:42:14.220 you are actually descendants of Chinese because you came over the land bridge. And then all these
00:42:18.760 bad white Spaniards and everybody else came and took your land. So those are not called overseas
00:42:23.260 Chinese. Those are called our cousins, right? So you see, for instance, a lot of information war is
00:42:29.640 all about, go ahead, sir. Well, I don't, I don't even know if I can digest any, I think we're going
00:42:35.180 to have to break this into multiple parts because there's so much going on that it's, it's, I think
00:42:44.560 I'm going to need to pause and I've got about, I've got too many questions. Michael Jan, that was an
00:42:50.340 amazing conversation. Not at all what I expected, much more than I expected. And I hope we see you
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