The Tucker Carlson Show - Journalist Michael Yon has seen the migrant crisis up close in Panama. What he describes is hard to believe.

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Tucker Carlson podcast. It's pretty obvious at this point that the corporate media

00:00:15.420 are dying quickly. But why? Because they lie. That's right. They lie. And they died as a result.

00:00:25.280 But at TuckerCarlson.com, we do not lie. We promise to bring you honest interviews and

00:00:29.120 commentary without fear. Here's our latest episode. So everyone who's paying any attention

00:00:33.960 at all knows that more people are coming across the U.S. border from foreign countries illegally

00:00:38.560 than any time in American history and that the American population is changing faster than any

00:00:43.000 time in the last 250 years. And that's not just true for the border states, Arizona, New Mexico,

00:00:48.380 California, Texas. It's true for at least 48 of the 50 states, the contiguous states. I mean,

00:00:55.140 small towns in Wisconsin and Iowa look completely different from what they looked like two years

00:01:01.040 ago. So this is changing the country in a way that can't be undone. There's no bigger thing that's

00:01:06.920 ever happened in American history than what's happening right now. And the question is, how

00:01:11.020 is it happening? Why is it happening? And who's allowing it to happen? And to answer those questions

00:01:16.480 to some extent, we had a pretty remarkable conversation about a month and a half ago with

00:01:21.400 Brett Weinstein, who's of course a scientist and an academic, now hosts a fairly famous podcast

00:01:26.840 called Dark Horse with his wife. And he went to the Darien Gap, which is literally the gap in the

00:01:34.380 Pan-American Highway from South America to the United States in Panama. It's one of the roughest places in

00:01:40.040 the world, famously. And he went there with a man called Michael Yan, who is probably the most

00:01:48.000 experienced war correspondent in the United States. Here's what he said about Michael Yan.

00:01:53.440 Well, I wound up there because Michael Yan had been sending me materials, thinking that I would

00:02:01.000 be interested in what was taking place in Panama. And of course, I was utterly fascinated by what I was

00:02:07.420 seeing. Now, some of your viewers may not know Michael. Michael is a former Green Beret who has

00:02:13.940 refashioned himself. Well, the last time I was on your program, I talked about Goliath.

00:02:19.800 Yes. And if there's a Goliath, there's a David. And I would argue that Michael Yan is like David's

00:02:27.320 eyes. He's been traversing the world, trying to understand a story that as yet has no name. And

00:02:34.580 that story is partially in the Darien of Panama. And it's all sorts of other places, including

00:02:42.000 in various U.N. installations. There's some story that is difficult to piece together. And he's been

00:02:49.380 physically traveling to all of its various epicenters and showing people.

00:02:55.220 So a year ago, it would have been pretty hard to find an English speaker who had been to the Darien Gap.

00:03:00.720 Again, it's famous. This region is famous for being the most lawless and dangerous place on

00:03:06.400 planet Earth. Michael Yan has now spent about six months in the Darien Gap, shooting film,

00:03:12.180 interviewing people. We're going to show you a lot of what he's found during the course of the

00:03:16.860 interview you're about to see. But one piece of tape that caught our eye, kind of remarkable,

00:03:21.380 a town of about 300 indigenous people, only about a dozen working toilets, deep in the jungle,

00:03:26.480 completely overrun by thousands of migrants from all over the world, including Africa and Asia. Watch.

00:03:56.480 All moving to your country. Now it's happening. That's the end of the United States, the country

00:04:10.760 that you grew up in. Irreparable. Forever. People in Washington, the people who control the Congress

00:04:17.120 and the White House seem to be in favor of this. And now they're just kind of saying it out loud.

00:04:21.320 Chuck Schumer, probably the darkest member of the United States Congress, of course, the head

00:04:26.420 Democrat in the Senate. He's telling us that we can't deal with any of that because Ukraine's border

00:04:32.360 is too important. It's Ukraine. It's only about Ukraine. Here's Chuck Schumer.

00:04:36.780 Let me make it clear. We made the overwhelming sentiment in that meeting is we got to do Ukraine

00:04:41.180 now. And there are other issues, including border, which we should address, but not now.

00:04:45.300 Right. So if you want to know what evil looks like in 2024, you just saw it. It's Chuck Schumer.

00:04:52.040 Okay. The embodiment of it right now. But we did want to see more tape and hear more firsthand

00:04:58.040 account from what it looks like at the other side, the Darien Gap, the beginning of the journey to our

00:05:05.160 country where this invasion is beginning. And so we are grateful now to speak to Michael Jan, who spent

00:05:11.940 more time there than maybe any American. Michael Jan, thanks so much for joining us.

00:05:17.240 So could you just start with the overview? What role, and maybe I've misstated it, but what role

00:05:23.480 does the Darien Gap play in the invasion underway of the United States?

00:05:28.840 It's absolutely vital, Tucker. You know, as soon as Biden was installed, I was actually in

00:05:34.680 D.C. for the quote unquote, you know, whatever it was where they installed him. And then I flew

00:05:40.460 straight within about 24 hours to El Paso, because I thought that the aliens would start flooding

00:05:48.180 across the border. And they did. And so from there, I flew down to Colombia, to the other side of the

00:05:55.000 Darien Gap, because I thought that the Darien Gap would end up being a major pathway to the United

00:06:00.820 States. And so went into the Darien Gap on the Colombian side, just not very far, just about an hour

00:06:09.140 inside. It's very dangerous over there. And I was there with Masako Ganaha, the famous Japanese

00:06:13.960 journalist, and Chuck Holton, a war correspondent friend who just got strafed yesterday in Burma.

00:06:19.700 But so we were out there in the Darien Gap on the Colombia side. We then flew over to Panama and went

00:06:26.160 down into the Darien Gap on the Panama side. And so I recognized this would likely be the major

00:06:33.180 invasion route of the United States. And so I just started spending a great deal of time down there.

00:06:37.600 I got to know many of the Imbara Indians and Kuna Indians and others down in the jungle. And I

00:06:43.660 started mapping out the pathways that they're coming in, getting to know members of the government

00:06:48.060 and that sort of thing. Now, keep in mind, a lot of people have no idea who I am, but I've spent

00:06:52.620 most of my life downrange overseas. I am an American, born and raised, was in the U.S. Army, that sort of

00:06:58.900 thing. But most of my life has been downrange. I would say two-thirds of my life has been in Middle

00:07:06.360 East, Asia, deep. I spent a year in and around China. I've written three books on Chinese information

00:07:13.200 more that are only in Japanese, actually, because I've been working to wake up Japan for years. So

00:07:18.320 in other words, I'm not coming into this flat-footed. I'm not coming into this as somebody who looks at a

00:07:23.460 map and thinks, hey, this might be the route. I'm looking at this as someone who has traveled

00:07:28.360 in about 100 countries or lived in so many countries. And so I realized these would be

00:07:34.600 the routes, likely the routes. So often when you see me leave Panama, I actually go to another

00:07:39.820 vital terrain, which is Netherlands, right? And I was there with Ava Vlardingerbrook and that sort

00:07:45.600 of thing whom you know. And so bottom line is there's a lot more going on here than just

00:07:50.520 the invasion. Obviously, the invasion is a kill shot to the United States. Now, anybody that can

00:07:57.020 get their feet anywhere into South America, which is pretty much most of the world at this point,

00:08:01.820 they can get to the United States very quickly. And they can do this through the Darien Gap.

00:08:06.220 Now, keep in mind, a lot of people ask, why don't they just fly to the United States? Many people do,

00:08:11.100 actually. Many people come on student visas and that sort of thing. And anybody that can

00:08:15.280 actually land closer, like many of the Chinese will actually fly to Mexico first.

00:08:19.860 Some will go to Cancun and go on vacation first. And if they can get a visa to Mexico,

00:08:25.300 they'll go to like Cancun and they'll meet their, what they call snakeheads in Mandarin

00:08:29.620 is what we call coyotes. The Chinese call them snakeheads. They'll meet up with their snakeheads

00:08:35.460 in Cancun or Mexico City or Tapachula. And then they had to cross up to, you know, Texas and whatnot,

00:08:42.080 Yuma, all these sorts of things. And by the way, I've been across the entire

00:08:45.280 US border from SpaceX all the way to San Diego, quite a lot. And on the Mexican side, also quite

00:08:51.840 a lot, but I've been across the entire US border. So now many of the actually Chinese will come

00:08:57.060 through the Northern border as do others, but back to Darien. So they don't all go through Darien.

00:09:02.860 Many actually use what's called the CBP one app. It's an application that they can use to fill out

00:09:08.520 this form and get on flights and fly straight from Bogota to the United States, or they fly from

00:09:13.800 Guatemala to the United States. I was just over in Guatemala checking that out, actually. And so

00:09:18.780 many people do fly in. The US is flying them in 24-7, but not everybody can do that. So now we have

00:09:27.100 maybe 3,000 a day coming in. The number is constantly changing, but we know the number

00:09:31.900 quarter over quarter is increasing coming through the Darien Gap because more infrastructure is being

00:09:37.060 put in. So it's facilitating it. And the main funder, by the way, is the United States. It's the

00:09:42.900 United States. I hear people constantly talking about how we should punish Colombia or punish Panama

00:09:48.420 or stay in Mexico. That's all nonsense. The people that are talking about stay in Mexico policy

00:09:53.980 have zero idea what's going on. It's like teaching calculus to somebody who doesn't actually know how

00:09:59.160 to add yet. The United States is the one that's behind most of this. The main engine is something

00:10:04.720 called IOM. Actually, most of the Border Patrol agents I talked with have never heard of the Darien

00:10:11.040 Gap, and they've never heard of IOM. IOM is the International Organization for Migration. That's

00:10:16.680 the main engine that is doing this. They are part of the United Nations. They have a big office down

00:10:23.240 in Panama at the City of Knowledge. It's right on the Panama Canal, actually. And there's more than

00:10:28.720 more than five dozen NGOs down there, IGOs, and nonprofits. The main one is IOM. You can see

00:10:36.940 people going through airports every day across the United States and Europe and Asia as well

00:10:42.440 with IOM tote bags and that sort of thing. But IOM actually has probably the best office space in all

00:10:48.940 of Panama. It's in Building 110 at the City of Knowledge. I was just there about seven days ago.

00:10:54.420 And it's right. They fly their flag. The City of Knowledge in Panama City used to be Fort Clayton.

00:11:01.440 All the veterans of Panama know what I'm talking about. Fort Clayton was the U.S. Army South

00:11:06.500 headquarters, right? Right. That's one of the most vital pieces of terrain on planet Earth. There's

00:11:12.120 almost no place on planet Earth more important than that little speck of land that overlooks the

00:11:18.860 Miraflores Locks, Panama Canal, the Panama Canal Railway, and the Thatcher Ferry Bridge.

00:11:24.420 The Thatcher Ferry Bridge is the bridge for Highway 1 that goes all the way down from, well, the tip

00:11:30.260 of South America up to Columbia. And then there's that gap. That's why they call it the Darien Gap,

00:11:35.560 because there's a break in the road, which they are about to hook together. And then that goes all

00:11:41.280 the way, that road, and Brett Weinstein talked about it on your show. Brett did excellent down there,

00:11:46.020 by the way. And that man loves the jungle. But that highway goes all the way up to Prudhoe Bay,

00:11:51.420 Alaska. And so that's a key highway. So you've got Panama, such a vital piece of terrain,

00:12:00.860 because first of all, the Panama Canal. And secondly, the Panama Canal Railway is important,

00:12:06.360 believe it or not. And that road. And Panama, just the location is vital. Now, we need the Panama Canal

00:12:12.940 for trade, for one thing, but we also need it to get our Navy through, right? And so we're slowly

00:12:18.880 losing Panama. The NGOs that are causing these invasions, like IOM, HIAS, Catholic Charities,

00:12:25.980 and so many more, are also taking over governments. Now-

00:12:29.940 Wait, may I ask you to pause for a second? It sounds like from your reporting that the NGOs

00:12:37.560 and the UN are vital, like this wouldn't be happening without them. So let's just pause,

00:12:42.780 if you don't mind, and explain. You just mentioned three. You mentioned the UN Agency for Migration,

00:12:48.820 the one devoted to destroying the United States. What are the second two? One was Catholic Charities,

00:12:53.580 and what was the middle one? Oh, there's at least 250. But in City of Knowledge, there's at least

00:13:00.040 62, 63. I've got somebody doing a study on them now. But the HIAS is one. That's the Hebrew

00:13:07.560 Immigrant Aid Society. And that's actually, interestingly, Doug McGregor, whom you've had on

00:13:14.240 your show, told me back when, he said, you know, Mayorkas, Ali Mayorkas, Homeland Security Chief,

00:13:22.540 was actually a board member on HIAS. And then he moved over to the Department of Homeland Security,

00:13:29.140 which, you know, recurses back to what I was just mentioning. These NGOs are working hard to take

00:13:34.800 over various countries. For instance, HIAS, you know, the board member, Mayorkas, went to take over

00:13:41.960 the Department of Homeland Security. Now, Mayorkas was down there in Darien. I got word that he was

00:13:47.320 going in 2022. So I got in front of him, and I waited for him for four days in the Darien.

00:13:52.540 Because I suspected where he might land, and he did. Four days later, he landed in front of me,

00:13:57.180 four Blackhawks. He went right into San Vicente Camp, which I call China Camp. And he was there

00:14:03.780 with the South Com Commander, Laura Richardson. He was there with also the Ambassador Aponte and some

00:14:14.240 others. And so basically, he was coming down there with fistfuls of money to increase the size of the

00:14:19.300 camps and increase the flow through the camps. So I'll show you drone footage. Actually, I've already

00:14:23.880 given it to your team. Pardon my dumb questions, but why would the head of the Department of Homeland

00:14:29.480 Security want to destroy the United States? Do you have any idea?

00:14:32.740 I can't read his mind, but I can read his actions. He's clearly doing it. They're clearly doing it.

00:14:42.260 And Hiass has an office 40 yards away from the front gate. You know, again, Brett Weinstein and

00:14:49.220 Dr. Chris Martinson were down there, and we were down in the Darien, and I said, there's Hiass right

00:14:54.640 there. Of course, they hadn't heard of Hiass. I waited until we were right in front of them to

00:14:58.240 explain what they were, because Hiass is right there at the camp, 40 yards away from the front

00:15:03.620 gate. That's the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Usually, I hit Catholic charities and whatnot,

00:15:09.040 but when I started hitting Hiass because we saw the impeachment proceedings with Mayorkas, right?

00:15:18.520 And so that's why I lifted and shifted from Catholic charities and others and started focusing on Hiass.

00:15:23.360 Of course, you know, the anti-Semite remarks come up and whatnot. But the bottom line is,

00:15:27.160 he did come from, you know, as you know, Mayorkas is a migrant from Cuba, right? And so both of his

00:15:35.040 parents were Cuban Jews, and that's why he was a board member on Hiass, right? So this all fits

00:15:41.160 together. So the bottom line is the United States, that's why I say the stay in Mexico policy is

00:15:45.560 absolutely irrelevant. It's ridiculous. It's not going to work. We're flying them in every day.

00:15:50.700 They're coming across the Canadian border night and day. So, and we're the ones doing it.

00:15:55.840 I'm sorry to ask you to pause, but I just, this feels important. I'll confess my ignorance right

00:16:00.860 up front. I never heard of Hiass until right now, but I have heard of Catholic charities. What's their

00:16:05.240 role in this? You know, there's many Catholic charities, by the way. They've got it distributed

00:16:09.640 quite a lot. How many are in Florida? It might be, I can get back to you. It might be 18. I'm sorry,

00:16:15.060 I've forgotten. But they, so they have many different groups even here and all over the place,

00:16:20.240 all over the United States. But Catholic charities is, I think, Catholic in name only perhaps.

00:16:26.120 But if you go down to the border in Texas or in Mexico, I've been to Catholic charities in Mexico

00:16:31.000 as well. You'll see them running the camps, running, you know, near McAllen, all over the place. I mean,

00:16:36.960 very serious human trafficking. They bring in at least hundreds of millions of dollars. I can get

00:16:41.760 you specifics. Those numbers, of course, change year by year. Hiass is the same. I mean,

00:16:46.380 these are big players. But keep in mind, the main engine is IOM.

00:16:52.540 So all of these groups are working to, I mean, they're working to violate federal law,

00:16:59.100 which in a democracy we send our representatives to D.C. to vote on, right, reflecting our will,

00:17:03.980 supposedly. And so these are obviously criminal organizations. So why is no one doing anything

00:17:09.620 about it? Straight up criminal. I mean, we could go on for hours about that. And the, you know,

00:17:16.080 the headquarters for IOM is actually in Geneva, right? And that's where Amy Pope, the American,

00:17:24.680 is in charge of highest, I'm sorry, of IOM. And Amy Pope took that position maybe five months ago

00:17:32.480 or so. And she's bragging about it. She's got a little sign on her desk up at Geneva, boss lady.

00:17:39.520 You know, she brags that the United States is the number one funder of IOM. And we are. And the

00:17:44.820 number two funder is Germany. And the number three is Canada. Interestingly, I was just up in El

00:17:50.720 Salvador. I was just up in Honduras and Guatemala and where else? I mean, basically, I've been in

00:17:58.020 every country in Central America. But the bottom line is, is in El Salvador, IOM is sharing office

00:18:05.140 space or sharing a building with the Canadian embassy. So in other words, again, Canada is the

00:18:11.980 number three donor to IOM. And up in Honduras, IOM is sharing office space with the Canadian consulate

00:18:21.800 there as well. So they're in the same building. We physically went there, right? So IOM is literally

00:18:27.040 with the Canadians in both of those countries, right? It's unbelievable the things that we see

00:18:31.780 when we go on the ground. So IOM hands out rape kits. I brought some of these rape kits to some

00:18:37.320 congressmen, you know, up in Washington. Actually, we brought an Indian up there, Francisco Agape. He's

00:18:43.220 the mayor of 29 of the Embraer Indian villages. He spoke with about 12 congressmen. But IOM actually

00:18:49.280 hands out rape kits because so many of the women and children are raped in the jungle that they started

00:18:55.600 handing out rape kits with male condoms, female condoms, those after, you know, rape pills, abortion

00:19:02.980 pills, those sorts of things. And yeah, I would show these things extensively. And interestingly, I just got a

00:19:09.840 message from the jungle. You know, there's a team out there right now. I'm looking at it right now. I'm looking

00:19:15.820 at their location. But Ben Berkwam is out there right now with Oscar Blue. And they got just last night, actually,

00:19:25.480 I sent it to your team. A bunch of people came in from different countries, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan.

00:19:31.700 This was late at night, deep, deep in the jungle. They went in by helicopter. They're there right now.

00:19:39.200 And so they were out with Cinefront. Cinefront is sort of the Panamanian sort of Border Patrol police

00:19:45.960 slash army. Panama doesn't have an army, but they're sort of like those three things blended in.

00:19:51.800 They're extremely professional. They're very fit. They're very well trained. And so this team right

00:19:57.560 now is out with a special forces team of Cinefront in the jungle. And last night, they came up on this,

00:20:04.580 or this group came up on them, two groups. And the Cinefront said another group of terrorists just

00:20:09.920 came in, right? You know, what's very interesting is Venezuela, the main, most of the people coming in

00:20:16.240 at this point are Venezuelan, right? And there is a large presence of Hezbollah in Venezuela, which is

00:20:23.360 quite interesting because Hezbollah is extremely dangerous, right? So we've got Hezbollah down there

00:20:28.580 who speak Spanish fluently, natively, actually. Actually, there's a village in Lebanon where they

00:20:34.040 speak Spanish. There's a lot of bounce back, back and forth. But the bottom line is Iranians can fly

00:20:40.060 into Venezuela, get a new passport right when they go there. Venezuela has a close relationship

00:20:44.700 with China and, of course, with Russia. And, I mean, Hezbollah is thick in Venezuela. In 1994,

00:20:52.280 there was a Hezbollah bombing in Argentina at a Jewish center, 385 casualties, 85 were killed,

00:20:59.340 about 300 wounded. And within 24 hours, there was a bombing in Panama. An airplane blew up and killed,

00:21:06.340 I think, 12 Jewish people and about 10 others. Actually, I met recently with one of the family

00:21:11.220 members of three of the Jewish people that were killed. And Hezbollah did that. The mastermind of

00:21:16.160 that Hezbollah bombing is now believed to live in Venezuela and has a bar, you can't make up this

00:21:21.780 stuff, on Margarita Island, right? So, I mean, they know who he is. They know where he lives. They know

00:21:27.080 the bar that he runs, right? And yet, Hayes continues to help Hezbollah get into the United States.

00:21:35.020 You can't make up this stuff. Literally, Jewish money is helping Hamas and Hezbollah get into the

00:21:40.880 United States. I mean, this is Stephen King stuff. Yeah.

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00:23:25.180 So, I mean, you've just given us a lot here, and I hope you'll come back. But let me ask,

00:23:35.820 so you're a war correspondent. I think you spent more time embedded in Iraq than any other journalist,

00:23:41.460 but you certainly know the business of journalism. How many other journalists from American news

00:23:48.120 organizations are spending time trying to figure out how this invasion is happening? How many New York

00:23:52.960 Times correspondents do you run into in Darien, for example? Well, that's a funny question. I was just

00:23:59.420 down there with Laura Loomer, and I took Epoch Times and some others. And I'm doing what's called

00:24:07.020 force multiplication. Ann VanderSteel and I have, we started something called Operation Burning Edge.

00:24:13.700 In fact, we saw that you went to Colony Ridge, which, very good, sir, which was, that's north of Houston.

00:24:19.140 That's that big, you know, 200,000 strong colony that's being built north of Houston. You were

00:24:25.820 probably their derivative of our actions. Once we realized that Colony Ridge was that, was what it

00:24:33.340 was, Todd Benzman dialed me in. Todd Benzman and I, he's an author. He's a former intelligence guy. He's a

00:24:39.460 friend of mine. But he wrote a book called Overrun. And the last chapter of his book, he talks about

00:24:43.880 Colony Ridge. So I'm going somewhere. I'm going to answer your question, but I'm going around the

00:24:48.600 block to do it. So Todd and I, we went to Colony Ridge because Todd thought that I could kind of

00:24:52.800 blow that out of the water. And, and so we went there with drones and the drones wouldn't get high

00:24:57.460 enough. You've been to Colony Ridge. So I said, let's go get a helicopter. And we went to the

00:25:01.140 airport and we got an airplane. And so we went back over that day and flew over it. And I said,

00:25:06.160 this thing is massive. Let's go get a helicopter and come back with some other guy. So, so Ann VanderSteel

00:25:12.280 and I started Colony Ridge or started, we started Operation Burning Edge. And then we brought over

00:25:18.300 Daily Wire. We brought over a couple of congressmen. We brought over quite a few people

00:25:23.320 and, and we got them up over Colony Ridge with the express intent on blowing this up so that people

00:25:29.140 like you would pay attention. Now we then went down to SpaceX and we spent two or three weeks down there

00:25:34.840 at SpaceX. We never reached out to Elon Musk. We never even emailed or messaged to SpaceX. We just,

00:25:40.820 we went there with the intent of prodding Elon to start paying attention to the border. SpaceX at

00:25:47.140 Boca Chica is right on the border. So you see literally people coming across the border and onto

00:25:53.120 SpaceX property. And so we got, you know, videos, photos of that. And the next thing you know, you

00:25:58.660 know, you see Elon Musk paying close attention to the border. Now I'm saying all that to set the table

00:26:04.180 for what I'm saying next. So when we go down to the Darien Gap or I go over to Netherlands,

00:26:09.420 I'm doing what's called force multiplication, right? And Vander Steele and I, we've taken a lot

00:26:14.780 of people down there. We've taken a lot of journalists. We've taken a lot of Intel people.

00:26:19.240 We've taken two congressmen to the Darien Gap, just a lot. And so, so how many people spend a lot

00:26:25.720 of time down there? That would be me. But, and, and trying to understand this on a global scale,

00:26:31.820 Todd Binsman's trying, there are a few, but Todd Binsman's not really a journalist,

00:26:36.260 but he's written books about this sort of thing, but there are very few of us, but we would fit in

00:26:41.520 the short bus. Now, people who study this on the larger war level and, and have done this for years

00:26:48.740 all over Asia and that sort of thing, and has studied Chinese information war and that, that's

00:26:53.660 me, right? So when it comes to the top level stuff and the reason I go to places like Netherlands and

00:27:00.140 I'm watching all of these routes, there's more to this than just the invasion, right? There is,

00:27:05.640 there's energy at stake. For instance, you see the, the Nord Stream was destroyed, obviously.

00:27:12.540 Now, long before Nord Stream was destroyed, I was warning that Nord Stream might be destroyed.

00:27:17.280 And I was warning that for very specific reasons. And I went to BASF twice, I'm going somewhere with

00:27:22.620 this. It all relates to the, to the so-called migration, the invasions. You know, you, you need

00:27:28.740 that natural gas to do something called the Haberbosch process. The Haberbosch process is one of the most

00:27:34.440 important chemical processes ever invented by man. That's where you take the hydrogen off of natural

00:27:40.920 gas and you combine it with the nitrogen that we're breathing. And you make, you make ammonia and

00:27:46.680 you make ammonium nitrate, ammonium, you make urea, you make these nitrogenous fertilizers, right? That, that

00:27:52.460 process was first envisioned in 1903 by a German chemist named Fritz Haber. He wrote it in a book on

00:27:59.340 thermodynamics, but it was very difficult to do. And in 1908, he finally made some, and then it was very

00:28:05.700 difficult though. So another German chemist came in, Karl Bosch, and he started, he brought it industrial and

00:28:11.360 he did that first at BASF at Ludwigshof in Germany. That's the biggest chemical company in the world.

00:28:17.380 I'm going somewhere very important with this. Yes. That chemical company BASF is on the Rhine

00:28:21.720 river, which is like the Mississippi river of Europe, let's say. And that dumps out at Rotterdam.

00:28:27.060 Rotterdam is the biggest Harbor in Europe. It's one of the top 10 in the world. Just South of Rotterdam

00:28:32.540 is Antwerp in Belgium. That's the second biggest in the world, right? And not the second biggest in the

00:28:38.900 world, but second biggest in Europe. So these are main arteries in Europe, right? And so now

00:28:44.360 Rotterdam is also, there is a railway that goes all the way from Shanghai and other feeders in China

00:28:50.260 all the way across Asia. And it dumps out at Rotterdam, right? That's why I've been to the

00:28:56.580 Shanghai side. I spent about a year running around China, out in Tibet and those sorts of things. And

00:29:01.580 it goes all the way across Asia and it goes to Rotterdam. That's why Netherlands is highly targeted

00:29:07.840 with this destructive migration, quote, unquote. It's an invasion, right? And the World Economic

00:29:15.920 Forum and the Chinese Communist Party, keep in mind, they are co-sanguinated. They are inseparable

00:29:20.840 at this time. They're going to end up fighting in the future. I strongly believe the Chinese

00:29:26.320 Communist Party and World Economic Forum. But they're working to make something called tri-state

00:29:31.060 city. Tri-state city, three-state city, will be most of Netherlands, part of Belgium, and part of

00:29:38.000 Germany. This will then include Antwerp and Rotterdam, right? And replacing with 30 million

00:29:47.020 people they're coming in with, right? So you see those Dutch farmers that they're knocking out? I'm

00:29:51.280 out with those Dutch farmers a lot. They're doing the same to the fishermen. Anyway, we could go down that

00:29:56.160 rabbit hole. Let's go back to, let's go back. I'm going somewhere very important with this, back to

00:30:01.240 BASF. So I did two tours or so in BASF before the Ukraine war. And because I thought, or actually as

00:30:10.340 it started, because I thought Nord Stream might get interrupted. And I thought this for various reasons.

00:30:16.600 And because of nitrogenous fertilizers, right? So we're in the plant. It's this huge plant. And I said,

00:30:22.040 I was there with Masako Ganaha, the famous Japanese journalist, actually. And I asked the

00:30:26.760 tour guide, I said, what happens if Nord Stream gets interrupted? And he said, well, BASF is dead,

00:30:33.360 right? And then I bought an iPad, which I kept beside me for months. Sorry, sir. I need my water.

00:30:42.880 I have a long history with water. And so I asked him, you know, what happens if that goes? And he

00:30:52.000 said, BASF is dead. Now, so I kept an iPad right beside me. And I just, I bought that iPad only to

00:31:00.560 keep this one website open that monitored the flows through Nord Stream, right? And at one point it went

00:31:06.940 to zero. And I said, wow, it has gone to zero. So I started calling a few people. I said, hey,

00:31:12.200 something wrong with that website or did they just hit it? And well, it bubbled to the sea,

00:31:17.020 right? And so, and everybody's like, well, we didn't expect that. Well, I'm like, well,

00:31:20.740 then you're not paying attention because that was obviously on the menu. So then, well, now you can

00:31:26.740 see BASF is moving to, they're moving their main facilities over to China, right? You see why I go

00:31:32.560 to BASF and why I'm watching these things. Now, last March, I left Panama and I flew back to

00:31:37.400 Netherlands for the election, for the election, go ahead, sir. Were you going to say something?

00:31:42.260 Well, I, again, I hate to reveal my ignorance since I try to pay attention to this, but I didn't

00:31:47.680 realize BASF, obviously the biggest chemical company in the world, probably most, single most

00:31:51.440 important company in Europe is moving to China. I didn't know that.

00:31:56.840 Not all of it. They're also opening facilities in other places that are increasing presence in the

00:32:01.140 United States, as an example. But that hit on Nord Stream was a direct hit. Now, I also moved,

00:32:07.120 they're not leaving Germany, but you know, as BASF goes, you might say Germany goes, right?

00:32:12.820 So I told that to Jordan Peterson. I had Jordan Peterson out at those, you know, at a farm in

00:32:17.760 Netherlands and that sort of thing. I'm like, Jordan, watch Nord Stream. I mean, you know,

00:32:21.920 that was before it was gone. And so anyway, it's gone. So last March, I went up to...

00:32:26.620 But can I just ask you a question? So the Biden administration is responsible for the destruction

00:32:32.260 of Nord Stream. Okay. So, and I, that will...

00:32:35.520 Either that or space aliens.

00:32:44.940 I'm betting Biden, I mean, they did it. Okay. And they said they did it effectively. But why would

00:32:50.860 the Biden administration, why would the Secretary of State, Tony Blinken, want to destroy Europe?

00:32:58.960 Which they've done. Why would they want that?

00:33:03.200 There's layered reasons for this. And let me continue to say something else and then

00:33:07.460 we'll recurse back to that because it'll help answer that question. So last March, I left the

00:33:13.120 Darien Gap and I went back to Netherlands. They had elections. I was there for the elections.

00:33:17.360 And then I went to Groningen gas field, which is in Netherlands. That's the biggest gas field

00:33:23.460 in Europe. And I was warning that I think they're going to close Groningen next. And people said,

00:33:30.100 you're crazy. And I said, well, I wasn't crazy about Nord Stream, was I? And now they've closed

00:33:34.060 Groningen, right? Groningen is also closed now, right? And there was, it wasn't destroyed or anything.

00:33:39.660 They did it through information war. As you well know, the highest form of warfare is information war,

00:33:44.300 bottom line, right? So it's information war that sets the table for these actions. So your question,

00:33:50.660 why would they do this? Multiple questions. If the paradigm that I'm operating under is accurate

00:33:56.360 and it appears to be, it's highly predictive. By the way, since I was a young child, I was

00:34:02.300 deeply immersed in physics. I always thought I would grow up to become a physicist and that's all

00:34:07.440 I cared about. I was basically failing school because I was just rain man on physics. So that's how I

00:34:12.680 kind of learned my base thinking process was reading people like Richard Feynman and that sort

00:34:17.440 of thing, right? And one of the things that those very serious scientists of the day would say is if

00:34:22.380 you have a theory and it's wrong, then throw it out, you know, you may have to throw the whole thing

00:34:27.220 out. So I call it the paradigm. So I, over time, since I was a young teenager, actually, I've always

00:34:33.580 worked on paradigms that do two things. One is they don't leave me surprised because if you feel

00:34:39.740 surprised, and I don't mean waking up with a snake on your face in the jungle, that's a different kind

00:34:43.880 of surprise, but if you feel surprised, then your paradigm is wrong, right? So you need to either

00:34:49.760 tweak it or throw it out. Never get emotionally attached to your ideas. They're not that important

00:34:54.900 unless they turn out to be right. And also your paradigm should be predictive, right? That's why

00:35:01.140 when Biden was installed, I flew straight to the El Paso border and straight down to Columbia at the

00:35:06.020 Darien Gap and straight to Panama at the Darien Gap. That's why I was at Darien Gap. That's why I was

00:35:11.020 thinking that they would do what they're doing now, which they're doing, which is increasing it and

00:35:15.000 making it a major invasion route. That's why I've gone to BASF twice. That's why I was warning in writing

00:35:21.640 and on interviews, I think something's going to happen to Nord Stream, actually, which would cause

00:35:27.560 BASF to crumble, which is as BASF goes, Germany goes. And I think that they were going to close,

00:35:33.860 for instance, growing in gas fields. Now they have, right? And it's all just based on listening

00:35:39.360 to people like Feynman and running with it for the rest of my life, developing paradigms that never

00:35:44.820 leave me surprised and they're highly predictive, right? So what you're describing is a war against

00:35:52.680 the West. Now, under the paradigm that I'm working under, there are clearly people trying to drive us

00:35:56.380 into global famines. I started warning about global famine in January of 2020, right? It's clear that if

00:36:03.240 you want to set the table for global famine, you want to knock out those nitrogenous fertilizers.

00:36:08.360 That's one thing that you want to do. You want to take those off the table because in 1914,

00:36:13.260 when the Panama Canal opened is actually when they also started doing the nitrogenous fertilizer

00:36:17.140 production at the same year, 1914 at BASF at Ludwigshoff in Germany, right? So you see the world

00:36:23.240 population starts to explode then. It didn't just explode because we had faster ships, bigger ships, and

00:36:29.080 faster railways, and that sort of thing, but that's part of it. And also, it exploded for other reasons

00:36:34.100 as well, like refrigeration and electricity, but also nitrogenous fertilizers is a huge part of it.

00:36:40.600 So if you're going to cause famine, what would I do? Let's see, I would cause a war in Ukraine,

00:36:46.820 right? That's one thing I would do. That's why I was over in Lithuania before the war in Ukraine,

00:36:51.660 warning that something may happen. I was down in Morocco. I was watching Morocco push

00:36:56.680 weaponized migration into Souta and Melilla. These are two Spanish cities that are in Morocco.

00:37:04.220 So you've got EU cities in Africa, right? So if you can get into Souta or Melilla, you're actually

00:37:09.740 in the EU. So I was down in Morocco and watching them, you know, basically needle Spain and the EU

00:37:17.000 with weaponized migration. By the way, I want to be very clear. I'm not talking bad about Morocco.

00:37:21.940 I love Morocco and you're the first country who recognized us. I always thank Moroccans when I see

00:37:27.240 them. You know, Moroccans always say, yeah, no Americans realized that Morocco was actually one

00:37:32.980 of the first countries to recognize the United States when we declared independence. We have a long

00:37:37.560 relationship. It's quite solid, right? But they definitely used weaponized migration against the EU

00:37:43.840 and Spain, right? So I was down in Morocco and we watched Frontex. Frontex did a report. Frontex is

00:37:50.620 sort of the EU equivalent of Border Patrol for the EU. They're basically useless. But they told us that

00:37:57.760 the Belarus was trying to push migrants into Poland and Lithuania, right? So I lived in Poland for two

00:38:05.400 years. And also I knew the Lithuanians quite well because I was with them in the war in Afghanistan.

00:38:09.920 So I called up a senior officer in the Lithuanian army. I said, hey, I'm down in Morocco. Why is

00:38:15.440 Belarus pushing, trying to push people into Lithuania? He said, fly up here and we'll take

00:38:20.620 you to the camps. So the next day I was in Vilnius sitting in front of top members of the government.

00:38:26.080 I stayed there for five weeks. They gave me complete access to the camps. I was with them in

00:38:30.480 Afghanistan so that, you know, they knew who I was and that sort of thing. So it was quite helpful.

00:38:34.880 So I got to interview many of the aliens coming in and their routes and that sort of thing.

00:38:40.360 And as you see, when I was actually in Lithuania, I started to warn, something's up. This weaponized

00:38:45.600 migration didn't just come out of the blue, right? I mean, when you're doing information war and you're

00:38:51.260 doing, I always watch the information wars first. But weaponized migration is often a precursor for

00:38:57.460 something bigger, right? But sometimes the weaponized migration is just, that is the main weapon.

00:39:03.740 Like for instance, when I was in Tibet, excuse me, hold on, let me, let me go back to China and I'll

00:39:08.460 talk about weaponized migration. I love water. And the, the weaponized migration is, is it's an old

00:39:18.940 weapon of war. It's been done in, you know, since space and time and Tibet, you know, some of the,

00:39:25.900 of the Tibetan genocide, that's what it was. It was kinetic, of course, but a lot of it's just

00:39:32.020 Han Chinese coming in and mass. I mean, just moving in and elbow, they're doing the same in

00:39:38.920 Xinjiang right now with the Uyghurs, right? Now, when I was in Hong Kong, I got kicked out of Hong

00:39:42.980 Kong. It was sort of famously kicked out of Hong Kong. I was a bad boy, but they, but one of the

00:39:48.920 ways that the Chinese Communist Party took Hong Kong was they weaponized migration. They were just

00:39:54.320 bringing in Han Chinese every day, 100 to 150 or so per day, not many, just enough to keep it below

00:40:01.860 the threshold of making people go crazy. And they took positions as teachers, professors. They opened

00:40:08.380 a Confucius Institute, of course. They, politicians, police, that sort of thing, right? And so they,

00:40:15.820 they slowly took over the cockpit until they just took Hong Kong. And, and so that's a low level

00:40:23.500 form. You know, I was just down in Honduras and for instance, I had dinner with a retired army

00:40:30.740 general there. He was like their chairman of the joint chiefs actually. And I asked to have dinner

00:40:35.340 with him. So we had dinner, it went on. And the reason I wanted to have dinner with him is because

00:40:39.020 he's of Chinese descent. And I think it was his grandfather came to Honduras in, in 2000 and, or

00:40:45.600 sorry, 1923. And, and, and so he's what the Chinese Communist Party calls an overseas Chinese,

00:40:52.680 right? And so they, the Chinese Communist Party works very hard in their information game to recruit

00:40:57.920 people like that. So I had specifically asked to meet with this man because he had been invited to

00:41:03.460 China, right? And he'd been invited there to the village where they said his family came from. They

00:41:08.240 had a parade for him. They always do that. They had a parade for him. They took him to the graves of

00:41:13.300 his family. They always do that as well. And then they, now they've had him in China seven times. Now,

00:41:18.320 as I talked with him for three or four hours that night over dinner in Honduras, a few months ago,

00:41:23.540 he said, China is not coming to take up, to, to attack the world. They're coming to become the world.

00:41:31.240 And I said, exactly. Because again, I've written three books on Chinese information war. I could go on

00:41:36.660 for days about it. But the bottom line is I understand how they're doing this. I was just

00:41:41.400 over in San Salvador. I know you've been over there talking with president Bukele. He's done a great job

00:41:46.880 cleaning that place up. There's a big library downtown with a big Chinese communist flag waving

00:41:52.120 out front at seven floors. I was just in that library because I always go to libraries. I always

00:41:57.720 go to museums. I always go to archeological digs because I'm tracking the, the, the, the trailheads of

00:42:04.960 information war. And by the way, that's why I went to Honduras because the Chinese communist party

00:42:09.140 is doing an archeological dig there. They're trying to persuade all the Mayan Indians and others that

00:42:14.220 you are actually descendants of Chinese because you came over the land bridge. And then all these

00:42:18.760 bad white Spaniards and everybody else came and took your land. So those are not called overseas

00:42:23.260 Chinese. Those are called our cousins, right? So you see, for instance, a lot of information war is

00:42:29.640 all about, go ahead, sir. Well, I don't, I don't even know if I can digest any, I think we're going

00:42:35.180 to have to break this into multiple parts because there's so much going on that it's, it's, I think

00:42:44.560 I'm going to need to pause and I've got about, I've got too many questions. Michael Jan, that was an

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The Tucker Carlson Show - April 23, 2024

Journalist Michael Yon has seen the migrant crisis up close in Panama. What he describes is hard to believe.

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