The Tucker Carlson Show - Matt Walsh Responds to Demands to Disavow His Allies, and How to Resolve the Right-Wing Civil War

00:00:00.000 let me uh commend you and your tight rope walking skills i don't check into social media that much

00:00:04.840 but whenever i do i'm like matt walsh is an amazing man glad you feel that way anyway no i

00:00:10.560 mean there's a lot the reason i want to talk to you is there's a lot that i admire about how

00:00:16.300 you've handled this just as a man um leaving aside our opinions which i don't even know if

00:00:22.560 they are probably different in some ways same in other ways but it's not even about that i

00:00:26.960 you know everybody involved personally or most of them involved in all these dramas on the right

00:00:33.380 and i think the way that you've handled it is just so so impressive um so thank you for that but but

00:00:40.080 first like what is going on there is a civil war probably not too strong on the right within the

00:00:45.660 trump coalition what is it

00:00:47.120 yeah i mean this has been uh it's it's been a really awful i i think i think for everybody

00:01:15.140 and a lot of this drama obviously goes back goes back a long way but i think after charlie was

00:01:24.060 killed it's created this kind of uh this vacuum and it's a it's a leadership vacuum because charlie

00:01:32.000 was uh was i think the the best leader we had on the right and the the tragic reality is that a lot

00:01:40.580 of the stuff that that we said right after he was killed turned out not to be true stuff that even i

00:01:46.960 said like well you you killed charlie but you made a you made a million more right you killed charlie

00:01:54.280 you killed one charlie but now we have a million more charlies and i think i think we said that

00:01:59.920 because it it we wanted that to be true and it kind of for for a brief amount of time it felt that

00:02:05.040 because it felt like everybody was sort of unified and we were coming together and going to the

00:02:10.440 memorial and everybody was there and uh and it felt like almost this revival even this religious

00:02:16.020 revival and all these things but then i think quickly reality sets in and what we have realized

00:02:23.580 and what we've seen is that you kill charlie and now charlie's gone and when you that's the thing

00:02:30.480 when you kill someone they're they're gone at least in this life and so we no we didn't go from one

00:02:35.720 charlie to a million charlies we went from one charlie to zero charlies and that's just that's what

00:02:40.340 happens with that's why assassinations happen that's why people do them because they work because it

00:02:44.740 works yeah because they work and that's that's been the greatest tragedy about all this i mean aside

00:02:50.720 from the human tragedy that an actual human being lost their lost his life and his wife doesn't have a

00:02:57.740 husband and his kids don't have a father i mean that's that's the great tragedy the human tragedy

00:03:01.940 but on a kind of national scale the tragedy is that the the strategy of assassination has been

00:03:12.480 proven effective again as it has all throughout human history and so now this guy who was this

00:03:20.740 i think to an extent that none of us fully realized was the glue that was holding

00:03:26.040 everything together on the right holding this whole crazy coalition together it turns out it

00:03:32.660 was like one guy who was doing this and his organization which which is is still around

00:03:39.780 a lot of respect for tp usa um and i think they're doing the absolute best they can in the face of this

00:03:45.800 i mean i have no i can't even imagine being in the spot that they're in but he was the leader of

00:03:52.380 organization he was a leader of the conservative movement he was the glue and and now he's gone

00:03:57.480 and it kind of feels like everything's coming undone to be honest with you um and there's this

00:04:03.080 uh so there's all there's all the fighting that goes that's that's going on and uh for me personally

00:04:08.860 and i don't i don't like to i don't get into this because first of all i don't like talking about

00:04:14.320 myself i like i like to talk about the things i that i think i talk about my ideas about things

00:04:18.920 all the time but i don't like talking about myself good and i like people don't like talking about

00:04:23.820 themselves but with that said i hope you'll talk about yourself well and also i don't want to uh

00:04:28.580 like i'm not the victim of any of this at all uh but i can only speak from my own experiences and

00:04:34.420 so my experience is that i'm a consider myself a personal friend of many of the people on either

00:04:43.740 side of all of these various disputes including a friend of yours um and so that that's a that's a

00:04:53.200 very complicated position to be in and then what what ends up what ends up happening yes yes and

00:04:59.140 there's so there's people on either side it's really not even two sides it's i don't know how

00:05:03.200 many it's fractured to a million pieces it feels like and so you've got the people on all the

00:05:09.000 different sides of the different disputes who are shouting at me that well i need to denounce

00:05:14.520 so and so i need to disavow this person i need to come out and say you know that i not not just i

00:05:22.580 just that i disagree because it's one that we'd have disagreements but the pressure is beyond it the

00:05:27.740 pressure is no you don't just disagree but disavow denounce that condemn and my answer has been and

00:05:36.340 not everybody respects it you don't have to respect it but

00:05:40.200 my answer is no i'm not going to do that and i'm not going to denounce a friend i'm not ever i'm not

00:05:51.200 ever going to do it like ever because to me loyalty is a principle loyalty is a so when people say well

00:06:00.140 do you need to stand on your principles and come out and say this or that well loyalty is a principle

00:06:05.300 in my mind it's one of the most important principles for any person for for a man especially

00:06:11.600 and i think that you know people if you're not if you're not in the middle of it and you're kind

00:06:17.480 of on the outside there are a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that you don't know about

00:06:20.980 um and so when i say that somebody is a friend and i feel personal loyalty to them that doesn't

00:06:29.000 just mean that oh i kind of like that person but for me anyway what that means is this is someone who

00:06:33.340 i know personally yes who i can call on the phone who i can share a meal with i've shared a meal with

00:06:38.880 and very often this is someone who has had my back and supported me in ways that you might not

00:06:48.000 see not not like a they've paid me off but just in a friend way like i've got your back i'm going

00:06:54.280 to support you i'll defend you hey everyone's attacking you for this or that reason and i got

00:06:59.000 your back right um and so there are a lot of people who've done that for me and once you do that

00:07:06.200 for me then i feel like duty bound that i cannot turn around i will not turn around

00:07:13.460 and stab you in the back or condemn you like you have my back i'll have yours that's that's that's

00:07:19.900 the idea okay that's the principle you said you said it's more than an idea it's more than an

00:07:24.580 emotional response it's a principle and you said it's especially important for men and i i just agree

00:07:31.060 with you so strongly when you say that but i haven't taken the time to think through why it's

00:07:37.520 so important to me can you explain why that's a principle and why it's especially important for men

00:07:42.320 well i think it's about i think it's about and i think it's about integrity um it's a it's a matter of

00:07:50.700 personal integrity it's also a matter of of of having a spine i mean if if if you denounce someone

00:08:01.400 because especially again a friend because you've got a million people screaming in your face and

00:08:07.240 telling you to do it well how can that possibly be a principled stand you're doing it to get people

00:08:12.060 to stop yelling at you right that's why you're doing it um and actually even if they're not your

00:08:17.320 friend if people are yelling if you do anything because people are yelling at you to do it then

00:08:20.600 that that's that's the wrong it's the wrong reason to do something yes it's the wrong reason even to

00:08:24.380 do the right thing on it really but um with with a friend it's it's the wrong thing there's also just

00:08:30.520 this basic principle of um you know doing to others as you would have them doing to you and there's

00:08:37.600 something uniquely repulsive about betrayal and that's what that is that's why quizling got executed

00:08:44.700 that's why judas is reviled betrayal you know someone that you're responsible for or are in

00:08:52.040 in a real relationship with and then you whip around and undercut the person that's worse than

00:08:57.480 like an invading army kind of it feels that way to me and i think i think that's right that's

00:09:03.620 something we all kind of instinctively understand uh which is why everyone has such a low opinion of

00:09:08.760 traitors yes you know uh traitors are are below exactly dirt in terms of how we rank them

00:09:15.280 now disagreement on the other hand is not betrayal and you can obviously disagree with someone

00:09:22.620 who's a friend uh and if you have a friend who demands that you never disagree with them

00:09:28.520 well that's not really a friend no and the relationship you have with them is one of uh

00:09:32.880 it's not a friend relationship it's a master slave relationship it's a subservient relationship

00:09:36.640 and um and as men we should not be in those kinds of relationships either so you'd certainly disagree

00:09:42.020 with someone uh and so i'm not talking about that and that's important because even what i'm saying

00:09:46.260 right now i know that twitter is going to have fun with it and they're and they're going to say oh

00:09:50.180 as you're saying you can never disagree with a friend of course you can disagree with a friend

00:09:53.000 what i'm not talking about that i'm talking about what i have personally experienced like if i

00:09:58.660 look at my mentions or email or even people i talk to of saying denounce condemn disavow okay that that

00:10:08.540 is the that is very specifically that's what i've heard and uh that is the thing that i cannot ever

00:10:15.940 do and maybe i have a more extreme view of that than most people i mean no you don't you have the

00:10:25.020 most basic human view like what world are we in well because someone someone asked me once they

00:10:29.220 said we were talking about this and they said uh okay what if someone you're really close with

00:10:35.240 uh your brother what if he murder someone what if what if he becomes an axe murderer what well then

00:10:43.780 you would disavow him and condemn him wouldn't you no i'd get him a fake passport right as well i mean

00:10:49.060 he's my brother yeah i if my brother was a serial killer and had 40 bodies in his basement i would

00:10:57.100 not get on camera and disavow or condemn him i i would not do it now now who are you saying this to

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00:14:18.300 but just just like because their point is like yeah the point they're trying to make i understand

00:14:24.780 the point is that yeah you're loyal to people but it's to a point and there's it could get to a point

00:14:28.660 where it's so something happens that's so extreme or they've done something that's so extremely wrong

00:14:32.140 that uh it it should it changes your calculation and my point is that for me it doesn't um now that

00:14:38.980 doesn't mean that so if my brother going back to my brother being a serial killer which by the way he's

00:14:41.920 not just to be clear um but if you were i wouldn't defend i wouldn't get on camera and say actually

00:14:47.880 it's okay to be a serial killer and in that case i mean you you know i can understand the temptation

00:14:53.340 to get him a passport get him out of town but i i would i would turn him in because i think that

00:14:58.040 that's justice and also it's best for him and his soul that he uh that he faced yeah that's here

00:15:02.480 probably he faced the consequence but it wouldn't be easy to do but even in the even in the midst of

00:15:07.120 all that uh i would not i would i wouldn't get up in public and say i condemn and disavow it's got the

00:15:11.920 way that i you know what happens on twitter or on social media in general now when people are when

00:15:19.820 they when they when when someone does something that upsets everyone it's like the old it's like

00:15:24.140 the mid-ages where your your head is in the stocks right in the town square and everyone's coming back

00:15:29.840 by and throwing tomatoes at you uh and and i've had my head in the stocks many times with the twitter

00:15:35.680 mob i've been in that spot and probably in times when i've deserved it because i've said something

00:15:40.100 that really is just stupid and so everyone is just flinging crap at me and it's okay been there

00:15:44.660 uh but my point is that if it's my friend who's got their head in the stock even if they kind of

00:15:51.000 deserve it because they said something stupid or they're doing something stupid there's no scenario

00:15:56.480 ever where i'm gonna pick up a tomato and throw it at them uh i'm not gonna do that now i might i might

00:16:05.040 speak to them privately and say hey you know what you kind of had this coming because

00:16:09.760 you're like you know you need to you need to get you need to get it together you need to get it in

00:16:14.000 line because what you did was wrong i'll speak to someone privately and tell them that and i have

00:16:18.280 done that if i disagree with a friend and what they're doing i will tell them that um so that's

00:16:25.280 the basic principle but again that's not that is all different from uh disagreement and saying i

00:16:32.380 disagree with this person of course this is intuitively obvious i think to normal people what i'm so struck

00:16:37.360 by is how this doesn't just remind me of like medieval europe it reminds me of 2023 this is why trump got

00:16:47.160 elected when we say woke or you know the crazy left this is exactly at least speaking for myself what

00:16:53.760 i'm talking about first of all it's identity politics it's censorship the two things i hate

00:16:57.260 in our country but it's the same impulse to publicly denounce people to destroy people and and really

00:17:07.080 what you're saying when you demand that is it's not just a breach of loyalty it's a transfer of loyalty

00:17:13.500 you're saying you need to be more loyal to me and my ideas or the mob than you are to your own friends it's

00:17:20.800 like demanding control of your loyalty and my view has always been i'm an adult man i'll decide who i

00:17:26.880 like and who i don't that that's up to me you're trying to strip me of my autonomy of my humanity

00:17:33.000 like no thanks and that's why i got to the point where after many years of disagreeing with the left

00:17:39.340 i really hated the left because i find that so totalitarian and scary i just can't even believe

00:17:47.780 that less than a year later the right is doing the same thing like what is going on yeah and that

00:17:54.320 and going back to the the great tragedy the many tragedies that have grown from the one great

00:18:01.460 tragedy of charlie's death um it is it is that

00:18:06.140 it is that we have like the left i still believe i'm old-fashioned so call me old-fashioned but i i still

00:18:15.780 believe that the left that leftism leftism as an ideology is the enemy um it it is it is the it is

00:18:25.800 the problem it's the thing that we're fighting against it's the thing that i've always fought

00:18:28.620 against it's why i'm it's why i'm doing any of this this is the only reason i'm on camera right now

00:18:33.280 the only reason that i'm doing any of this the only reason i got into this whatever it is what we're

00:18:37.420 doing whatever this business is this uh this fight um it's the reason i'm in it is to oppose leftism

00:18:46.000 what is how do you define leftism well i i would define it modern leftism is first of all moral

00:18:55.800 relativism it's the idea that i have my own truth you know there is no there is no truth there's no

00:19:02.160 there's no truth i have my own um and so i think to me that's that's the core of the thing

00:19:08.880 and i think that if you're a relativist then you are a leftist doesn't matter what else you believe

00:19:14.100 you could be you could be a relativist and be anti-immigration you could be relativist and believe

00:19:18.440 in gun rights uh now i think most relativists don't end up there but even if you did you're still

00:19:23.640 leftist because you reject truth um so that's what it is at it at its core and also uh leftism

00:19:35.360 not really also but as as an as a extension of that it's an outgrowth of that uh leftism

00:19:43.660 opposes civilization and it opposes western civilization in particular

00:19:51.180 and american identity most particularly of all uh it opposes all of the institutions

00:19:59.380 that our civilization depends on and is is grounded in like the institution of the family

00:20:06.240 and the institution of marriage um it rejects all of that it rejects the fundamental truths

00:20:13.320 that we depend on it rejects the fundamental reality like the reality of well men aren't women

00:20:19.360 um and they're kind of i think a lot of leftists are trying to in a really really embarrassed kind

00:20:24.260 of way back back away from that one uh because we beat them on it you know it's a thing when when we

00:20:30.020 as conservatives can actually put all this bullshit to the side and focus on something we can win

00:20:37.020 and we beat the it's not it's not totally dead but the trans agenda is on life support and we defeated

00:20:45.040 it we took it down we beat it we can do that and it's a good thing that we did because that was

00:20:49.220 and is wicked and evil that's hurting people and killing people couldn't agree more um but they also

00:20:54.480 they reject the reality of uh of of human life the fact that that uh that that human life is um

00:21:03.000 has inherent worth and dignity from the moments the moment of its existence from the moment of its

00:21:09.120 conception that your life is not the value of your life is not contingent that's another fundamental

00:21:16.720 aspect of leftism they believe that human life the value of human life is contingent it's contingent

00:21:22.540 for babies on whether or not their mother wants them it's contingent on um how much of an inconvenience

00:21:31.160 they cause to their parents and if it turns out that their mom doesn't want them and their parents

00:21:36.440 find them inconvenient then they their life has no value their life is less than garbage and can and

00:21:42.760 can be killed and thrown into a dumpster and that's what is still happening in this country you know

00:21:48.360 every single day that's still happening hundreds of thousands every year hundreds of thousands of

00:21:54.700 human children are poisoned stabbed in the heart with poison needles dismembered decapitated

00:22:05.680 and thrown into medical waste dumpsters they don't even get a burial because they are treated as less

00:22:12.460 than or recycled into vaccines oh yes they are treated as less having less value than a dog they have

00:22:23.980 less value than than an animal i mean there are there are there are animals who are who are from

00:22:31.540 conception federally protected like sea turtles and bald eagles and human children have less protection

00:22:39.680 than that so and i know you know all this i'm preaching to the choir my point but i love it can't be said

00:22:44.280 too much right my point is that so that's happening that is to me that's the enemy that is what we're

00:22:51.820 opposing and if you're in favor of that if you're if you're among the forces that are pushing this

00:23:00.320 the destruction of the family the destruction of human life in the womb the rejection of reality of

00:23:06.400 objective truth of of national of american identity of western civilization if you're pushing that then

00:23:12.400 you're my enemy you are my enemy and i want to destroy your i want to destroy your ideology i want to

00:23:19.700 destroy everything you stand for that's what i want to do and if you're against but if you're against

00:23:25.100 them and that is to say you stand for american identity and for the sanctity of human life and

00:23:31.740 the family and and objective truth and reality uh the church faith if you're if you're on that side

00:23:41.520 then then i consider you to be based basically an ally and and and we could disagree vehemently on a lot

00:23:47.720 of other issues we could disagree on we could there could be a lot of disagreement if we agree

00:23:53.980 that okay we need to preserve all what as conservatives what are we conserving well to me it's easy we're

00:23:57.840 conserving western civilization we're conserving american identity we're conserving the sanctity of

00:24:01.600 human life we're conserving the family we're conserving marriage that's what we're conserving

00:24:05.800 and if you agree with me on that then we're on the same side as far as i'm concerned now we might

00:24:11.180 have a lot of disagreements about how to conserve those exactly and those those disagreements

00:24:16.120 might be even brutal and bitter at times but if that is the argument then we're all on the same

00:24:25.280 side arguing if we're arguing about whether those things should be conserved well then if you're on

00:24:31.120 the other side of that argument then we're not on the same side at all we're we're on we're in two

00:24:34.620 different universes like i don't even know what universe you're living in and and the divide i think

00:24:39.660 ideologically in this country is so vast and so deep and so unbridgeable that it that we may as

00:24:47.780 well be living in different universes we may as well be aliens from different galaxies trying to live

00:24:52.080 on a planet together and it's just not working out that's what it feels like and so for me

00:24:56.660 that's where the fight is that's where i want the fight to remain

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00:28:39.640 revealing i didn't and yeah i wouldn't and i know you've got views on it i certainly do but um you

00:28:45.960 mentioned what underlies the economic views which is like your view of other human beings yeah because

00:28:51.260 i because i don't mean it but you know yeah on so so that's i'm glad you brought that up because

00:28:55.780 that's a really important point because uh i am when it comes to economics i'm pretty i hate to use the

00:29:02.720 term i'm pretty libertarian when it comes to a lot of economic stuff i would love to see i don't think

00:29:08.220 there should be a welfare state at all i wish i think we should abolish food stamps i think we

00:29:11.880 should abolish the income tax um i think the income tax is evil i think it's terrible and so that's how i

00:29:18.320 feel about it uh however as far as i'm concerned you could be a conservative and have the exact opposite

00:29:26.060 you could be a conservative and say you know what i think we should raise the income tax i think the

00:29:29.300 welfare state is great i think there should be more of it i think we should give food stamps to more

00:29:32.000 people i think we should have universal basic income i think all these things you could have

00:29:35.900 that view as a conservative now i will vehemently disagree with you i will argue with you and i

00:29:40.320 will yell at you and you'll yell at me and that will be fine but if if the reason why you want that

00:29:46.580 it comes down to why do you want that why do you think we should have a welfare state if your reason

00:29:51.260 is that well this is the way to support families and this is the way to make sure that we can have

00:29:55.800 more families and people can have kids well i think you're wrong i think actually it destroys the

00:30:00.080 family but you want the same thing as i do and so we're on the same side i just think that you're

00:30:05.860 i think you're lost i think you're trying to find the same destination but you're you're off in the

00:30:09.800 woods somewhere on the path and i want to i want to i want to wave to you and say no come back over

00:30:13.880 here but you're using the same alphabet i mean you're speaking in the same tongue like you you have

00:30:18.240 a common point of reference because you want the same outcome which is on the left the reason why

00:30:23.460 they want a lot of that stuff more control is more control and because they actually want to

00:30:28.300 destroy the family they they want to make the family irrelevant they say well uh you know if we

00:30:33.420 have a vast welfare state everyone's got everyone's getting money there everyone's on the dole then you

00:30:39.100 don't really need the family you don't need a father going to work and caring for his family and so

00:30:42.700 and and so that's what that's what they're trying to get to that's their reason for having that view

00:30:47.380 but who is they is the question and as i heard you explain who you're fighting against and why

00:30:53.500 and i nodded along in agreement i really was the choir to your sermon i thought you're describing the

00:31:00.160 people who defend the war in gaza perfectly perfectly they don't believe in absolute standards of truth

00:31:05.440 at all what what they're committing in gaza is exactly what they decry correctly when it happens to

00:31:12.000 other people can't kill innocents they didn't do anything wrong not on purpose you can't period

00:31:16.880 you're not allowed to do that but they defend it fully so they don't believe in an absolute

00:31:21.160 standard of behavior at all they don't believe in truth it's totally it's dependent upon circumstance

00:31:27.580 like in fact you even seen people say it out loud you know we we raised an entire generation correctly

00:31:35.080 to believe that slaughtering people because of how they were born is the greatest sin which it is

00:31:40.240 i believe that and now we're being you know hoisted by our own standards and my view is no standards are

00:31:48.000 absolute it's either true or it's not and it's universally applicable or it's not a real thing

00:31:53.500 it's just group it's identity politics it's exactly what i hate and identity politics is the kind of

00:32:00.280 political expression of the worldview that you have just decried and and declared war against and god

00:32:06.020 bless you for doing that but that is in full flower on the right and i'm not gonna i don't want

00:32:11.200 to dignify people by naming them but people i know who call themselves like mega conservatives are

00:32:15.660 defending the murder of innocence and by the way some of them suggest we just move the refugees into the

00:32:21.040 united states because that's good for the country that they support but is that good for us that's an

00:32:26.560 attack on american identity you're also describing by the way in a lot of ways nicholas maduro of

00:32:31.760 venezuela who are all required to hate and i'm not supporting him of course but this is like the

00:32:37.020 the most socially conservative country in latin america that has banned abortion banned gay marriage

00:32:42.400 banned gender transitions banned usury banned you know loaning at crazy interest levels because it

00:32:48.580 destroys people i don't think he's done a good job running his country obviously he hasn't but to your

00:32:54.860 point that like we should be open to talking to people who share our most basic values how is he not

00:33:01.660 on that list oh shut up you communist but i'm not a communist i'm not going to be bullied by your

00:33:06.020 dumb labels not yours but i'm anticipating the many attacks i have been attacked for saying that but

00:33:11.900 it's just it's true so what's the answer do you see what i'm saying so i guess i guess what's blowing

00:33:17.140 my mind is that i thought i was speaking the same language as a lot of people that i disagreed with on

00:33:23.200 on the margins like about you know what what's the best way to harness capitalism to help people i mean

00:33:28.180 these are real debates and then i realized with the war in gaza that like these are people who don't

00:33:33.760 believe in western civilization because western civilization can be boiled down to one concept

00:33:38.520 and that's the individual if something someone does something wrong we punish that person we don't kill

00:33:44.320 his kids why do we do that what why is that our standard because we believe that god created every

00:33:48.720 person as an individual and every person will stand before god alone to account for his life

00:33:53.280 he's not responsible for what his children do what his ancestors did what his forebears might do

00:33:58.340 he's responsible for himself because we believe in the individual soul not the collective soul and

00:34:04.240 that's what makes our civilization unique in the history of the world and it derives from christianity

00:34:09.180 from the christian belief of the individual soul and i see all these people who like clearly don't

00:34:13.980 believe that so how are we on the same side well i think i mean so this is where we uh we can be

00:34:20.580 friends on the same side and disagree because uh yeah i wouldn't agree with everything you've just

00:34:27.640 laid out there i think that i think now last time we talked we talked a little bit about israel and

00:34:33.400 my take at the time was i really don't care right i just don't care i i honestly don't care i want that

00:34:41.640 take bad yeah i don't want to care i don't want anything to do that's and that that's still my take

00:34:46.760 that's always been my take it upsets people on both this is one legitimately on both sides

00:34:51.340 of the israel issue people get mad at me for that because they say that well if they're very pro israel

00:34:57.620 they say well you're being a coward and you need to stand up and support israel and talk about how

00:35:01.980 israel's our greatest most important ally and all this stuff and but then another side very much it's

00:35:07.800 well no israel's the great satan they're the most evil country in the world right they're responsible

00:35:11.880 for everything bad that happens and uh which is which is something that i think some people

00:35:15.880 legitimately really do believe at some level a lot of people believe that right and uh and so then

00:35:20.560 they say to me well well uh you need to stand up and and say you know and say that and again my

00:35:26.240 response to that is first of all don't tell me what to say okay i i have my own mind amen so don't

00:35:33.240 tell me what to say i will say what i want to say and and i can only speak for my own opinion

00:35:39.280 this is my view and i think and i'll get back to it but not to get sidetracked this this is one

00:35:45.600 thing by the way that's making political conversation in this country impossible is that all anyone ever

00:35:52.020 does anymore is impugn the motives behind the argument that you're making so you make an argument

00:35:59.320 tell me and then everyone goes well you're only saying that because and it's like first of all even

00:36:06.160 if it's true that i'm making this argument for some dishonest reason well is the argument right

00:36:11.040 or not because if it's if the argument is right the argument's still right even if i'm the worst

00:36:15.040 guy in the world saying it's also like arguing with a woman they tell you what you think and it's

00:36:18.580 like no i'm actually telling you what and why and what right and well here's why you're really saying

00:36:24.380 that well for me the only person who can speak to your motives is you exactly and so if i ask you

00:36:29.580 well why are you saying that and you tell me i have no choice but to just accept that because i'm not in

00:36:33.380 your mind you're the only authority you are the only authority of what is in your mind you're the

00:36:37.440 only one on the planet the only other authority the only greater authority is god and i can't really

00:36:42.220 ask him so i can only go to you on that and so you're describing my life but yes i agree with you

00:36:48.540 so so for me on israel when i say i don't care and everyone on both sides goes well you're saying that

00:36:54.360 because no i'm saying that because that's what i think i'm saying and i always have which is why by the

00:37:00.940 way you can go through my catalog i've been blabbering my opinions publicly for a while now

00:37:08.500 and not as you know i haven't been in the business as long as you but i've i've been you know at least

00:37:13.000 10 years on the record and if you go through that before i worked at the daily wire uh and and while i

00:37:20.040 was there when i was independent i was an independent blogger just like churning out content and you

00:37:25.260 know um and you can go through all that and here's what you'll find you'll find that i almost never

00:37:30.820 ever talked about israel and when i did talk about it on the rare like once every five years if it

00:37:36.540 came up uh my take was i don't really care about this i don't care about this country it's not my

00:37:41.260 country um you know if you're if you're in america if you're an american politician you should

00:37:45.960 put care about america first and and that's it that's always been my take so that's always been

00:37:50.260 by the way me too believe it or not up until the last year i don't in 35 years i don't think i've

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00:41:27.440 actually about israel it's about the components of the american right right um who are defending

00:41:34.240 mass murder and i mean that murder killing people who didn't do anything wrong uh in gaza that's it

00:41:41.960 it's not israel it's what about the parts of this coalition that as you noted charlie really did keep

00:41:47.460 together yeah that are now fracturing but one of the reasons they're fracturing is because they have

00:41:52.160 different views different world views and that is obvious when you hear how they respond to the murder

00:41:59.060 of like kids and women in gaza so it's americans responding to that are you really conservative

00:42:05.360 how are you not the leftist that you just described if you're like well they're basically all hamas

00:42:10.680 including the kids that is collective punishment that's blood guilt that's the opposite of what you

00:42:17.040 described how can i be on the same side as someone with that attitude well well here's here's what i

00:42:21.860 would say i think that if somebody is making the argument that uh we or israel can kill as many

00:42:31.440 palestinians as they want can kill children because their lives have no value uh because they're

00:42:38.380 palestinian if you're making that argument then that is a that is a that is a leftist argument exactly

00:42:44.520 it's a leftist argument however however however i think that there are plenty of people

00:42:50.240 who would defend and have defended israel's actions in gaza uh and even our involvement which i don't

00:42:57.700 agree with us being involved at all but people have had that view uh but not on that basis what they

00:43:03.720 would say is you know they would say oh well it's not true that we're that they're killing children

00:43:08.320 it's not or or um it's really tragic but but it's it's it's uh you know there's no other way to

00:43:15.200 fight the war it's it's not intentional it's it's we're actually targeting the terrorists and

00:43:18.840 this is uh this is uh these are casualties that happen like in any war it's very bad you try to

00:43:23.520 minimize them but it we don't we don't want that to happen um they could say you know there's many

00:43:30.020 arguments along those lines just also arguments that just kind of reject the premise like your

00:43:34.000 premise is that they're doing mass murder of people in gaza i think that there are conservatives

00:43:39.520 who would just reject that premise and say that's not actually happening okay but if you just the i

00:43:43.980 think the undisputed fact there are tens of thousands seventy thousand we can certainly say tens of

00:43:47.520 thousands of women and children killed in gaza and so there are really two arguments you can make

00:43:51.840 one is that like that happens in war collateral damage which is true it's 100 true that that always

00:43:58.060 happens in war it hasn't happened at this scale in 80 years but uh in the west but it does happen

00:44:04.900 and the united states has done a lot of it we dropped the atom bombs okay so like we're not israel's not the

00:44:10.700 only country that's done this but what are are you sad about it do you think it's bad would you be

00:44:18.440 willing to say holy shit i can't believe we killed 70 000 non-combatants that's the acid test can you

00:44:25.240 admit that that's horrible it's horrible it's a moral crime it was a moral crime we dropped the bomb

00:44:30.980 on hiroshima and it's not even a close call in my view it's not an endorsement of the imperial japanese

00:44:37.060 government but it's like that's just bad if you can't say that then you are endorsing collective

00:44:43.000 punishment aren't you well i think i think it goes back to what what what argument are you are you

00:44:50.020 making so like using hiroshima for example and i i'll be honest i've kind of been on both sides of

00:44:57.760 that i think there's interesting arguments on both sides um i think an unten a morally untenable argument

00:45:06.060 would be well yeah just kill as many as you need to they don't matter they were japanese they were

00:45:11.300 the enemy just kill them like that's morally untenable obviously um and based on that argument

00:45:16.980 well then we could just nuke if you get into a get into a war just like nuke the entire country kill

00:45:21.200 everybody and why not and that obviously is um that that is rejecting the value of human life

00:45:27.800 which is not which is an unconservative view it's also just deeply immoral but the other the other

00:45:34.760 side of the argument for like the atom bomb for example would say well this was the best way to

00:45:38.180 preserve human life but that that uh these were legitimate military targets uh and the way to

00:45:44.600 preserve human life ultimately was this way if we had not done it then millions more people would

00:45:48.260 have died millions more japanese would have died and that's the argument now like i said i i i can see

00:45:53.940 the argument for that it now that runs into the charge of ends justify the means well it doesn't

00:46:00.280 run into the charge it's an expression of ends yeah well there's there's all yeah there's there's

00:46:04.620 just i mean it's like the perfect articulation of it's like if i could save millions by shooting your

00:46:09.700 children it's okay to shoot your children i think there's a dip like there's ends justify the

00:46:13.720 means now we're getting into philosophical i'm not a philosopher there's end justify the means

00:46:17.780 there's also kind of the principle of double effect which is different and double effect is well

00:46:21.520 so i understand it you can do something that you know will have a negative effect but your intentions

00:46:28.660 are good and and it's it you're doing it in order to bring about a good result um this was the argument

00:46:36.060 that hitler and stalin made if you take a look at stalin's personal correspondence and diaries which

00:46:41.960 by the way are available it was super interesting he was an idealist like he really believed he was

00:46:47.360 ushering in a new era of man and like you had to kill a lot of ukrainians to do that and georgians

00:46:54.080 and russians by the way a lot of christians you had to murder a lot of priests to get there but

00:46:58.160 by the end you would have utopia hitler felt that way it's like if we only get the jews out everything

00:47:03.820 will be great and so but we are against them because we don't share that view we believe in human

00:47:10.500 life like it's not okay to kill an innocent person yeah i think yeah that that argument

00:47:14.840 well it's not yeah it's not okay to intentionally and deliberately kill an innocent person

00:47:19.220 uh i think that's

00:47:21.720 you know in war innocent people do die i think that there can there are a lot of wars that have

00:47:30.300 been unjust there are there is such a thing as a just war for sure there's such thing as a necessary

00:47:33.860 war and if we can agree on that then then we have to accept that in any war innocent people will die

00:47:39.160 it's terrible tragedy um so now but the argument that i was just uh playing out for dropping the

00:47:47.240 atom bomb it's true like that that can be terribly abused my only point is and i'm not even taking a

00:47:52.640 position on that because i honest my honest view is like i kind of feel like i have i i have an

00:47:59.020 opinion of it and then i express it and someone comes in and they just eviscerate my argument on it

00:48:04.180 and then i think well you might be right and then i hear so like that's kind of super tough i mean

00:48:07.900 i should just say i i hope i don't sound self-righteous i've my views have changed if

00:48:12.640 you went through my corpus of opinions it would be a jackson pollock painting it would just be

00:48:16.700 splashes of everything so like my views are evolving in real time i but i i've been forced

00:48:22.620 to think about it because of what's happening in gaza it's like i don't feel like i have a choice

00:48:26.700 my only my my point about that is whatever is the correct view let's just accept for the sake of

00:48:33.580 argument like i'll let i'll take your view that dropping the atom bomb was morally wrong um i still

00:48:40.520 think that somebody could be wrong about that but for the right reasons and so they're still kind of

00:48:47.180 on my side because the the wrong if if you're correct in your argument then the the wrong for

00:48:52.060 the right reasons position is yeah we we cherish human life this was the best way ultimately to

00:49:00.600 preserve human life and again you could say well that's wrong but someone could have that view and

00:49:05.500 the reason why they have it is because they truly believe in the sanctity of human life and they just

00:49:11.040 honestly believe that that was the best way to preserve that was my opinion until recently as a

00:49:16.300 lifelong adamant pro-lifer so i i mean i want to give myself the benefit of the doubt you know i'm not

00:49:22.760 for dead kids i guess what is really brought this to the fore is a guy called randy fine

00:49:28.080 who's a congressman from florida who you know i disagree with on a lot i don't think i just agree

00:49:34.160 with him on anything actually he spent his career in the gambling business exploiting people and now he

00:49:39.200 got some kind of clever way to find a senate a house seat in florida everything about it i i disapprove

00:49:45.220 of and of course i don't like his foreign policy views but there are a lot of people like that and i'm

00:49:49.300 not mad at them what makes him unusual is that he said out loud what i think a lot of people think

00:49:55.180 which is like it's hilarious to see a picture of a dead child in gaza somebody tweeted him i know

00:50:00.600 you're online you've seen this a picture of a dead baby in gaza and he laughed at it and said someone

00:50:08.560 said how can you sleep at night you know getting self-righteous with him okay being high-handed

00:50:12.140 like the anti-war left is how can you sleep but okay so i get it they're annoying but like it is like

00:50:19.060 his response was very well thank you thanks for the pick if that's your gut reaction to a picture

00:50:25.080 of a dead baby we are not on the same side in any way on the deepest level we're not on the same side

00:50:30.080 i'm a father like i'm not how can i laugh at that i can't and that to me revealed what i think a lot

00:50:35.660 of people think who i know very well who call themselves conservatives which is just like these

00:50:40.480 are not human beings well if you've got that attitude how can you how can you really care about

00:50:46.760 me or my country or my children like i don't think you can yeah i think that i certainly would

00:50:52.740 agree with you on that if you if you think that dead kids are funny then we're not we're not just

00:50:56.780 on the same side but this goes back to i don't think we're living in the same universe you're the

00:51:00.420 leftists right you described yeah because you fundamentally cannot value human life if you could

00:51:05.500 ever see it as funny that a child i think uh so so for sure and i think that there are people that

00:51:13.120 we would call neocons that are definitely not conservative by any stretch my only point to you

00:51:18.500 is that i think there are plenty of people who are on the other side of the of the argument who

00:51:24.220 are conservative and and they just don't they don't agree with the premise that you're laying out they

00:51:29.280 don't and they do want to preserve human life they think this is the way to do it uh they they could

00:51:35.880 be wrong but people can be wrong about they haven't thought about it or the partisan system i'll speak

00:51:41.380 for myself i didn't think about it at all and all the people getting mad about hiroshima hated america

00:51:47.280 it's just a fact and they wanted to say that all american military uh expeditions were immoral

00:51:54.240 because america was fundamentally immoral that's the point they were making they wanted us to hate

00:51:57.960 ourselves they taught us a history that convinced our kids to hate themselves and to hate their own

00:52:01.800 country and that's all evil and we're watching the results of it now so i was like man there's no way

00:52:07.760 i'm on their side like they hate everything that i love including my nation so i just was like if

00:52:13.580 you're for it i'm not for it and because i'm a child that way like i just react against things

00:52:20.320 but now i'm feeling like i got misled into supporting an awful lot of violence like a lot of violence and

00:52:28.340 how is that good yeah i think well so there's two things first of all there's a maybe there's a whole

00:52:34.820 other category we should be talking about because we're talking about left right conservative liberal

00:52:39.100 uh then you have you also have though politicians who uh often not always but often are neither and

00:52:49.560 they don't have they don't have an ideology for sure and their ideology is control and power and uh

00:52:56.000 and that's what they care what percentage would you say fall into that category um

00:52:59.420 95 it feels that way well i i would i'll amend that i think it's it used to be 95 i want control

00:53:07.540 and power i think now it's more like this is even worse now it's like 70 want control and power and

00:53:14.520 then you've got another 20 who they're just there because they want attention like the jasmine crockets

00:53:20.500 right uh they're just there because they want to be influencers like jasmine crockett i'm so grateful

00:53:26.240 for her she amuses me every day but if you were to go to jasmine crockett and say okay here's two

00:53:31.600 buttons press one button and you're the president united states press the other button and you have

00:53:36.320 50 million instagram followers and your instagram she is pressing the instagram button in a second

00:53:42.180 but that but it's a it's that's a different like species of politician we've never really seen before

00:53:46.920 yeah no it's so true because up to this point every single politician like i can be president i'll take

00:53:52.080 that over you know if it's like i'll press this button you can be president but as a consequence

00:53:57.520 your whole family dies they're pressing the button oh yeah a lot of these people and now it's it's a

00:54:02.460 little bit there's there are people who who they're politicians they're not even really hungry for power

00:54:05.860 they just want attention which i think in some ways is somehow even worse but anyway the the the just

00:54:10.480 want power category i think that does describe a lot of the people we would call like neocons lindsey

00:54:15.760 graham yeah is for sure in this category you know i don't know where it was he gave a speech

00:54:21.480 recently he was talking about uh i think it was him bragging about how we ran out of bombs or

00:54:26.700 something like that i think i have the right person here yeah um and and so it's like okay well

00:54:32.440 you obviously do not take human life seriously if you just think it's it's like you just want to run

00:54:37.420 out of the bombs and um and and for someone like him this is not someone who's a conservative at all he

00:54:43.820 does he doesn't but it's not for someone like him he doesn't i don't think that he's um

00:54:49.240 passionately in favor of like abortion or no destroying the family he just doesn't care

00:54:56.060 doesn't matter right it doesn't doesn't matter to him so um so that i think that's that's the

00:55:00.620 other category that exists and really that's really smart that's really smart it's like post

00:55:07.020 ideological it's even kind of post power it's just pure narcissism yeah although i in if i could

00:55:12.800 i'm actually glad you brought up because i wanted to talk to you about this uh in in defense of

00:55:18.000 violence if i if i could uh i i because i've heard you talk about about this and and my views are by

00:55:26.680 the way changing even as during this conversation like this is all new to me so i don't so because

00:55:30.600 i'm actually i think in some ways we should have a lot more violence in society i'm i'm sort of

00:55:37.640 pro-violence in a in a certain context um i think that violence can be a necessary tool for justice

00:55:48.260 like i just believe that um now it can be really misused and it very often is and i think it very

00:55:56.700 often is these days but it is a necessary tool for justice and so what i'm really mostly talking about

00:56:03.400 are evil people who've committed terrible crimes against the innocent and i think that through a

00:56:10.700 legal means and i'm talking about you know i'm talking about you know extrajudicial lynchings or

00:56:15.960 anything right i'm talking about legal means for those kinds of people we should be using violence

00:56:21.960 a lot more because i think that it's just i just think that it's justice what is justice justice is

00:56:28.020 uh giving to someone what they're owed you know giving giving to anything what putting things in

00:56:34.920 their right place basically i would say is is justice so giving someone what they're owed is

00:56:40.200 justice so if you owe me five dollars it's justice that you give me five dollars that's a matter of

00:56:45.340 justice and if you give me three dollars and you owe me five that's an injustice that has occurred

00:56:48.800 now if i slap your wife in front of you i'm owed something else i'm not owed five dollars but i am

00:56:59.080 owed something now like there it is right that i receive something and that i would say is a slap

00:57:04.500 right it's you slap my wife i'll punch you 10 times in the face instead like that's that is a just

00:57:10.100 response that is justice and uh and i think what we have these days you got a lot of people walking

00:57:15.120 around doing this assault like literally assaulting women you know and they don't receive what they're

00:57:21.940 owed and what they're owed is is uh is harsh and i think sometimes violent but just punishment um and

00:57:31.560 so that's that's my one kind of caveat you know it's hard to disagree with that um it's i mean of

00:57:37.420 course viscerally i agree with you and all of this is just aimed at whites obviously because what you're

00:57:44.280 talking about is a racial dynamic where non-whites who commit crimes just aren't punished as harshly

00:57:49.460 as whites who commit crimes so it's a it's a racial double standard designed to like destroy the

00:57:53.380 country which it's doing and and i feel that every person feels that like the need for justice and

00:57:59.860 sometimes that is that expression is physical how do you balance that against like the sermon on the

00:58:05.300 mount which i happen to have read this morning um where jesus is like well the the law is eye for an

00:58:10.640 eye tooth for a tooth but i tell you you know turn the other cheek and you know he takes your shirt

00:58:16.340 give him your cloak i'll tell you because i've thought a lot about this i mean obviously hopefully

00:58:19.640 all christians have thought i thought about the sermon on that a lot it's only the most important

00:58:23.420 public address it's mind-blowing right but whenever people are like oh jesus was a great person great

00:58:29.280 teacher you read that and you're like either he was god or this whole thing is insane because this is

00:58:34.940 not it's not intuitive wisdom in the sermon on the mount yeah yeah that's the c.s lewis the you know

00:58:39.660 trilemma yeah lunatic lunatic liar or lord you know those are the only options but um anyway so yeah of

00:58:47.200 course i as all christians should i've thought a lot about this and how do you uh because i also

00:58:51.400 recognize in myself i'm talking about how violence can be just just and i really believe that but i also

00:58:56.680 i have a a vengeful streak in me i fully recognize that yeah me too and when i see evil people i actually i

00:59:03.340 actually do sometimes hate them and hate means like i don't just want justice for you i want you

00:59:08.720 to suffer yes and uh i want you to burn in hell and that and as christians we should never want that

00:59:14.560 we should never we should never want anyone to be damned and sometimes i i find that feeling in

00:59:20.620 myself i pray about it i just have to be honest that i do feel that way about really bad people

00:59:24.960 um but how do you how do you square this i think that so turn the other cheek i think it's very

00:59:31.040 important to notice that jesus is saying if someone slaps you turn the other cheek yeah what he does

00:59:40.600 not say is if someone slaps your wife or someone slaps your child or someone slaps an innocent woman

00:59:46.220 on the subway turn the other cheek because turn the other cheek in that situation is not you being

00:59:51.560 the bigger man it's you being a coward and so i that's how i square it and that's how i can also

00:59:57.540 square jesus having these kinds of you know quote unquote anti you know violence um statements that

01:00:05.280 they made with also um famously he goes into the temple and fashions a whip i mean that's what the

01:00:15.060 that's what scripture says it's not even like he grabbed one this was a premeditated this was

01:00:20.480 premeditated made it first degree like uh and so he fashions a whip and he starts beating these

01:00:27.200 people to get them out of the out of the temple and that is violent i mean think about it's easy

01:00:31.600 to read these stories and and just read it as a story we've heard a million times heard in sunday

01:00:35.540 school as a child it gets kind of sanitized well imagine actually seeing this happen i mean imagine

01:00:40.600 actually seeing it in real life that that you're there and somebody has a whip and they are

01:00:45.880 throwing down tables beating people with whips i mean there's gonna be blood it's gonna be a very

01:00:51.540 brutal scene in the temple of all places in the temple and yet this was jesus christ who did it this

01:00:58.240 was our lord and savior who did this act and so it was and had to be a moral act and so what that tells

01:01:07.160 us is that you know violence is sometimes necessary now the rejoinder to that is well that was

01:01:14.460 you know god made flesh who used violence and that doesn't mean that you could do it right and um well

01:01:21.720 there's also a theme that runs throughout the new testament where jesus and his disciple paul uh draw

01:01:29.340 very clean distinction between you as a christian and the state so the state is held to difference to

01:01:36.580 the state operates on by a different code yeah right render under god what's god's render caesar

01:01:42.820 with caesar's i don't know i i'm the opposite of a theologian i really i really don't know what what

01:01:48.980 happens when the state and we're experiencing this right now because i i think that is kind of the

01:01:53.720 answer the state uh the state has authority from god now it doesn't like that's it's hard sometimes

01:02:00.660 especially for conservatives to accept that but that's scriptural the state has authority from god

01:02:05.260 um now it can reject its mandate it can do things that are evil obviously and it can do things that

01:02:14.880 we should reject and in some cases even rebel against in the most extreme cases um so we know

01:02:20.460 all that is true but um but the state as like an institution generally speaking has authority this

01:02:27.260 is this is god ordained this is what god wants he doesn't want us all to live as he doesn't want

01:02:31.340 anarchy okay you know where there's no there's no one in charge but um so the the state has that

01:02:38.340 authority what happens when the state refuses to exercise that authority right and uh and what

01:02:46.020 happens when it refuses to enact justice and it refuses to protect the innocent what happens then

01:02:53.580 well you over you overthrow the state yeah at what point at what point morally can the average citizen

01:03:01.420 say well the state is not doing this and so i have no choice but to do it if i don't do it then it won't

01:03:08.080 be done and i think we're getting perilously close to a point where people in mass start saying that they

01:03:13.120 start saying the state is not doing this they're not defending my family they are not defending my

01:03:17.980 community my community is unlivable these these these violent psychopaths who've been arrested 40

01:03:24.100 times are running through the street assaulting women assaulting children and i cannot live this

01:03:29.300 way anymore and i won't live this way and i think we're getting perilously close to a point where in

01:03:33.020 mass people start saying that and when they start perilously or blessedly close well perilously because

01:03:37.980 that's not i would prefer that's not the best option the best option is the state does its job

01:03:42.700 when when when the other option is ultimately chaos i mean that's where it leads and um but that's

01:03:51.940 where we are i think right now you have uh like the best version of that are people who are have

01:04:00.460 benevolent intentions and know what they're doing and are good decent people and they step up in an

01:04:07.260 extreme situation because nobody else will and they do the thing that the state won't do but they don't

01:04:11.880 go overboard and they don't become you know batman uh and and so like daniel penny for example i mean

01:04:17.200 daniel penny is an example of someone who said okay i gotta step in i gotta do the right thing

01:04:22.100 this guy should not be out here he should not be allowed on this subway there should be some kind of

01:04:26.060 cop here to arrest him no one is doing it i'm gonna step up and and i'm and i'm glad that he did he

01:04:32.180 was right to do it and um so that's the that's the best version that's the best version of of people

01:04:38.280 stepping in where the state has failed did you get a presidential medal of freedom what happened

01:04:42.240 to daniel penny well that's a that's a very good good question well he was they tried to throw him

01:04:47.080 in prison no i know it was a rhetorical question but it's like if you see heroism like that and it

01:04:52.280 goes unrewarded in fact if it's punished then then you have a total inversion of justice and then and

01:04:59.880 then and so how is the state legitimate at that point right and by design when people like that

01:05:04.240 become punished or punished as i mean they they tried to put him in prison they thank god we're

01:05:08.240 not successful but they you know they try to destroy his life everybody else looks at that

01:05:14.960 and i think by design has this demoralizing effect because everyone else looks at that and they say

01:05:19.680 well i don't want that to happen and and now i think i mean i don't ride the subway because i value

01:05:24.380 my my life but uh if i were on the subway and i saw something like that happening i'd be thinking to

01:05:29.800 myself what i hope i would step in but i'd also be thinking well i got a family at home i got a wife

01:05:35.400 and if i step in and i go to prison and now so so now i can't be there for my wife and children

01:05:42.200 and so is it right for me to step up and protect these strangers if the consequence is now i can't

01:05:48.180 protect my own wife and children that's right i don't know and i don't even know what the right

01:05:51.220 answer is i don't i can't even say for sure if i'm if i'm looking at that happening and i'm in

01:05:55.080 daniel penny shoes and i got a wife and children at home i think the right thing is for me to step

01:06:00.020 up and do what he did but i'm not even sure if it's the right thing because because i got a wife

01:06:03.800 and kids and now i got to call them i got to call my wife and say hey by the way i might be going to

01:06:08.140 prison forever um good luck you know i don't know it's it's it puts it it creates a lose-lose

01:06:16.380 unwinnable situation even now you feel that even after the last election and clearly there's a

01:06:21.440 reaction against the kind of government that we had you you still would feel like no one in

01:06:29.440 authority would support you and uh yeah generally i think the rot well well first of all this is a

01:06:37.000 this is a i mean when we talk about the state in general failing to do the basic things to preserve

01:06:43.460 civilization this is a wide problem it goes to it's the state level it's the local level cities

01:06:49.460 and um has all of that been fixed like definitely not i mean not even close well so that that was

01:06:56.560 kind of the brought that was exactly the question i'm asking and it i don't even know if i have you

01:07:00.500 sent out an amazing tweet recently oh it's right here december 4th i want to read it it's an

01:07:06.740 empirical fact that basically everything in our day-to-day lives has gotten worse over the years

01:07:11.120 the quality of everything food clothing entertainment air travel roads traffic infrastructure housing etc

01:07:16.140 has declined in observable ways you're a nice writer by the way thank you there's not enough

01:07:20.400 good writing on twitter even newer inventions search engines social media smartphones have

01:07:25.360 gone downhill drastically this isn't just a random old man yells at clouds complaint

01:07:30.020 it's it's true it's happening the decline can be measured everyone sees it everyone feels it

01:07:36.980 meanwhile political pundits and podcast hosts speaking of things that are getting worse

01:07:40.960 focus on anything and everything except these practical real life problems that actually affect

01:07:47.220 our quality of life so i have like eight questions there and i'm going to ask you about your core

01:07:52.140 observation is it getting worse clearly it is why are podcast hosts and pundits ignoring this

01:07:59.220 physical reality

01:08:00.340 i i don't know i think that it's a wide group of people i think they have different motivations i think

01:08:10.240 for well there's the most obvious answer is that for a lot of these people pundits podcast hosts

01:08:16.380 cable news you know all the media in general um a lot of them i think are insulated from a lot of

01:08:22.260 this stuff they don't they don't live in this world yeah that's right um and things like so for example

01:08:28.200 we're talking about things that are getting worse one thing and it seems small but it's not

01:08:34.760 one thing that's really getting worse is restaurant food okay rest the food at most restaurants i'm

01:08:41.540 talking about like chain restaurants you got applebee's or chili's or whatever you order a

01:08:45.180 pizza from one of these places especially one of these chain places and the food is worse and that's

01:08:50.100 not just again it's not old man i am an old man yelling at clouds but that's not what this is

01:08:53.660 it is act it's it is true it's a real thing that's happening and you can trace it you can look at

01:08:59.500 okay uh starting in the early 2000s all these places started getting bought up by private equity

01:09:06.080 companies yeah and so now they're they're run by people who don't care about the product or even

01:09:11.800 know anything about it so that's happening um also uh it used to be that you go to these places and

01:09:19.380 it's a bunch of like teenagers and college kids that are working there and uh and they're just

01:09:23.800 working there to make some money to pay for college or whatever and that's happening less now and

01:09:27.880 now you've got um adults you know very it's a a an increasing number of like people with substance

01:09:33.700 abuse problems people who you know they're in their late 20s and they're still you know they're

01:09:39.320 they're doing a job that a 16 year old used to do because their life isn't working out exactly as it

01:09:44.040 should that's it's that's its own problems like why is that happening right um but but the effect of

01:09:49.220 that is that even a lot of the people not not all of them at all but a lot of the people in the

01:09:54.340 establishments that are working there on the ground don't really care that much about the

01:09:58.360 product and you can see why they don't care they're getting paid crap wages they've got a

01:10:02.540 difficult life they're working for people who don't care about it like so the guy who runs this

01:10:08.580 if i'm working at applebee's and i'm a waiter and i'm looking at it like okay the guy who runs this

01:10:13.740 place doesn't know anything about this he doesn't care i'm getting paid nothing uh why do i care i you

01:10:20.160 know and so so i don't care and so that's happening and then the quality of the food it used to be that

01:10:25.800 most of these places made their food fresh now no place makes food fresh food anymore they all buy

01:10:29.820 frozen food there are a couple of food distributors cisco is one of them that the vast majority of the

01:10:35.740 food that you eat at a chili's or applebee's or whatever is distributed it comes off the same truck

01:10:41.920 it's the same frozen food that comes off of the same truck and that is served in all these places

01:10:47.760 which is why all the food sucks and it all tastes the same because it's literally the same people

01:10:52.780 don't know that uh even pizza places again everything's frozen there's one i forget the

01:10:59.260 name of it there's one cheese distributor that distributes most of the cheese at all these

01:11:03.940 different places and that's like the crucial element of a pizza and it's literally the same

01:11:09.180 it's the same thing and but they're just pretending that it's not so my point is that this is a small

01:11:13.920 thing by the way it's not a small thing right so it's not a lead is important yes it's quality of

01:11:19.900 life it's your diet it's what you eat it's um and that stuff really matters now podcast hosts and

01:11:26.760 pundits a lot of them why don't they care well there's two reasons number one they're not eating

01:11:31.760 at these places and if you have money then you don't have to worry about that because you can go

01:11:36.840 to expensive places where the steak costs 85 dollars and it's not gonna hurt you much because you got a lot

01:11:42.740 of money and if you have a lot of money then you don't notice any of this because at the really

01:11:47.300 fancy restaurants where people spend a lot of money most of those places are still making fresh

01:11:52.980 food and the service is a lot better because they're paying better wages to their to the to

01:11:58.200 the waiters like now you've got older waiters and waitresses but they're older who have kind of

01:12:02.480 climbed with the ladder they're really good at this they get paid better wages they care about it

01:12:07.460 like you go into one of these fancy places and i like eating it i mean who doesn't like eating

01:12:11.000 in these kind of restaurants the food is good but you go into it and one of the first things you

01:12:14.760 notice before you even get to the quality of the food is that everyone at least in the good places

01:12:19.700 everyone that you interact with starting at the hostess stand seems to be really happy that you're

01:12:25.180 there and they care that you're having a good experience that is not how it works when you go to

01:12:30.580 chili's you know so anyway the these podcasts these people that i'm talking about they're in those

01:12:37.500 places and so they're not in the places where the quality is falling off a cliff and then also

01:12:42.780 i think that and this is something we all do and i do it too you get caught in this

01:12:49.820 we're dealing with like national issues all the time we're dealing with politics and what's

01:12:55.020 happening in washington and the president and geopolitics and what's happening we're dealing

01:13:00.160 with these massive big things all the time if you're a pundit if you do commentary and so you can

01:13:06.020 fall into this line of thinking that the things that actually impact someone's physical everyday

01:13:14.880 life those things are just too small to worry about well politicians wind up at this exact place

01:13:22.780 and and and and it's true that because i run into this when i start talking about this stuff i will hear

01:13:27.900 this criticism from people they'll say why are you talking about this i did a i did a whole video on my

01:13:33.540 on my channel a few weeks ago i did like a 30 minute monologue on why does restaurant food suck

01:13:41.420 and um there are two interesting things that happened after i talked about this issue one is

01:13:46.840 that i did get a lot of criticism from people saying everything's happening in the world you're

01:13:50.060 talking about applebee's like why are you talking about this you know it's like how out of touch are

01:13:55.760 you when really it's the opposite it's like no this is this is the stuff that's happening in people's

01:13:59.540 lives but so that i got that criticism but then what i also noticed is that a lot of people watch

01:14:05.920 that video it was like one of the more um successful in terms of traffic videos that i've done in a while

01:14:12.680 and uh and it was just about food at applebee's and why is that it's because again this is like this

01:14:22.220 this this is your life this is what's happening in your actual life and it it matters it touches you

01:14:28.800 and and it touches your family yes and this is one thing i notice about um a lot of people in the

01:14:38.360 world that i have always lived in is they either spend time and this is true for me i'll admit it

01:14:42.860 they either spend time in very rich places or in very rural like low-income places but there's no

01:14:52.660 time spent in the middle which is where the overwhelming majority of americans live so it's

01:14:57.280 like only rich people only poor people but no middle class people so they have a sense of like

01:15:02.740 you know a lot of rich people have summer houses so they sort of get the you know if you're on

01:15:06.980 nantucket right and you go there in the winter and everyone's on drugs you're like oh wow

01:15:10.880 you know fentanyl's a huge problem in our country but there's no applebee's there's no applebee's in

01:15:16.400 cambridge mass there's no applebee's in nantucket there's no do you see what i'm saying you just you

01:15:21.300 do get a very you know i am so guilty of this in fact so guilty that i really go out of my way to like

01:15:27.700 understand you know but there's no sense of like normalcy yeah it's also in the same way that like

01:15:35.500 the richest people bill gates for example are totally focused on curing africa and

01:15:40.540 in congo i mean curing malaria polio they're obsessed with the problems of the poorest

01:15:48.320 while living the lives of the richest but like the bulk of the population is invisible to them

01:15:53.820 yeah i think that's right i was having a conversation with someone recently

01:15:56.660 who's in the business and um i don't know i mentioned in passing i remember why i just

01:16:03.480 mentioned in passing i just been out i just was coming i just had been to walmart i was pick i was

01:16:08.020 buying something whatever i went to walmart and uh this person was

01:16:12.360 shocked that i'd gone to walmart and they said i haven't been in a walmart in 20 years because

01:16:19.180 there's no whites in walmart that's the other thing they're like they're you drive into like

01:16:23.040 middle america there are nowhere i don't know what happened all the whites but

01:16:25.720 are we allowed to say that i just notice it like we're all there's no whites like a rest area on

01:16:30.800 the highway anymore yeah and in walmart i go to buy uh sporting clays that's my only my only shopping

01:16:37.200 trip of the year usually and it's like where are the white people well that's that's part of the

01:16:42.840 thing it's it's i mean it's a small it's a small thing but it's it's just it's uh emblematic of the

01:16:47.380 problem it's like well there's just been total demographic change yeah but but if as a commentator

01:16:52.220 if you have never been in a walmart or you know it's like well then that's america i mean that's

01:17:00.520 that's the that's middle america oh i totally agree so it's just there's there's a basic uh i'm not

01:17:06.140 saying you got to go and walk around a walmart like a safari trip just to understand america i'm just

01:17:10.520 saying that that's uh it's just like that's yeah that's what's going on in america is a place like

01:17:14.960 that and if you're just never there at all to your point about either you're out in the sticks or

01:17:20.840 you're in the really wealthy areas then you're you're not really in touch with what's actually

01:17:25.600 happening in america and one of those things is yeah when you go you do notice this when you go

01:17:28.880 to the places where everybody goes walmart is one of those places the dmv is one of those places like

01:17:34.440 a place where everybody has to go yeah um unless they're very very very rich right um or very very

01:17:42.000 very poor when you go to those places you do notice you start noticing things and one of those things

01:17:45.860 is like yeah it's like it looks a lot different now it's it's um it's yeah not not nearly as many

01:17:52.220 white people as there used to be you start noticing those kinds of like yeah like it you know i've never

01:17:58.000 been a bigot it's prohibited by my religion but i also think there's overwhelming pressure not to

01:18:05.120 notice obvious things and i try to keep myself you know alert just to notice what my eyes tell me

01:18:12.440 and uh that's the biggest change that's an incredibly fast change incredibly fast change

01:18:18.080 not it was not an accidental change it was an intentional change to reduce the white population

01:18:22.880 in the united states and i've kind of never seen anybody more passively accept it and i

01:18:29.300 wonder like are we getting to the point where we can say that and notice it and why is that good

01:18:34.540 exactly well for for every other it's it's funny because certainly for every other race on the planet

01:18:43.880 if we were to look and see that in their native countries um they are dwindling and disappearing

01:18:52.660 everyone it would be nothing controversial about saying well this is bad no one would say well why is

01:18:58.680 it bad you know if i'm not even saying it's bad i'm just saying it's so profound and abrupt well and

01:19:04.940 i i will i will say i think it's bad yeah uh i think if you go to nigeria if i were to go to

01:19:10.000 nigeria and notice that like all the nigerians are disappearing yeah i would say what's going on here

01:19:15.100 i mean everyone's chinese all of a sudden right that's like that's bad and and if i said that no one

01:19:20.200 i don't think anyone would even ask well why is it bad what do you mean why is it bad it's nigeria

01:19:23.940 like there should be nigerians in nigeria um and it's bad if some other group comes and takes it

01:19:28.640 over and i think for any other race or demographic on the planet you can say that uh for white people

01:19:33.480 we're the one race the one demographic where it's not even just that you can't notice that this

01:19:39.080 replacement is happening it's that in fact we're at the point now where you should notice it and

01:19:43.400 celebrate it it should be seen as a good thing so isn't that evil isn't anyone who tells me that i'm

01:19:48.220 not allowed to notice or scolds me for noticing isn't that person my enemy isn't that i mean how could

01:19:52.960 you justify what does that say about your motives yeah i think i think so and also it's i said it's

01:19:58.680 every other demographic on the planet um any other species on the planet like if i yeah it's so true

01:20:07.040 yeah if where are the condors right exactly if i if we look we get these panics all the time oh all

01:20:12.420 the um amazonian horned owls are disappearing or whatever and they're going away we have to preserve

01:20:19.660 them no one even stops and asks like why do we need amazonian more like we've got a million other

01:20:23.800 owls well owls why do we need these owls and it's just seen as like well they're a species that existed

01:20:29.380 they should continue to exist and so for every other demographic and species of living being

01:20:36.420 we can all agree that if those people disappear that it's bad and white people only one that where

01:20:43.440 we can't say that and part of the reason for that i think is well there's a lot of anti-white sentiment

01:20:49.260 but also uh so i use the example of nigeria everyone recognizes that nigerians or black

01:20:59.380 are the native inhabitants of nigeria and so if the native inhabitants go away we see that as a bad thing

01:21:06.920 the amazonian horned owl is a native inhabitant of the i don't think that exists i'm just you know

01:21:12.300 whatever but they're a native inhabitant of the amazon and so they should be there

01:21:15.720 with white people it's a really interesting thing where what we're told is that white people are not

01:21:23.500 native anywhere we are not indigenous to anywhere which is why and i'm not like making this up

01:21:31.360 there is nowhere in the world you can go where the people who are officially recognized as the

01:21:37.180 indigenous habitants are white nowhere white people how is that not genocidal intent well that's my

01:21:43.720 point so it's like okay so we're not indigenous anywhere so where are we supposed to be because

01:21:48.840 the other part is we're supposed to be dead apparently yeah because we're told that okay the here are the

01:21:55.180 indigenous habitants and the the what's implied every time we talk about indigenous people or just

01:22:00.900 outright said is that well they this land is really theirs and so you shouldn't be here and so

01:22:06.920 what we're saying to white people everywhere is that you shouldn't be here well where should we be

01:22:10.660 you want us to go to mars i mean are we gonna like are we going to jupiter where are we supposed

01:22:14.820 to be or do we are you just gonna throw us into the ocean and i think the answer is that we really

01:22:20.060 shouldn't be anywhere which is why we should not be embarrassed or afraid to say that the native

01:22:29.260 like native americans are white people of european descent that is true the people that we call

01:22:40.100 native americans now are not native americans and the reason they're not native americans is because

01:22:46.120 they did not form a country called america they are not native america is a country it's not just a

01:22:53.280 a place it's not just a plot of land it is a country and before america was formed as a nation

01:23:00.180 this place was not america because america didn't exist america existed when it was formed

01:23:06.200 and so if someone can trace their lineage back to the comanche on the great plains um well that that

01:23:16.460 doesn't make you a you weren't native to america you're a native native to comancheria you're you're

01:23:23.380 native to to this you're not native to the country of america the people who are native to the nation

01:23:29.080 of america the people who formed this nation were by and large almost exclusively white people of

01:23:36.460 european descent um they are the natives of this country they're the ones who formed this country

01:23:41.620 that doesn't mean that other people aren't allowed to live here it just means that they're the

01:23:45.540 natives and again anywhere else on the in the world there's nothing controversial about pointing

01:23:50.980 that out and we're the only place where we're not allowed to say that but i i i've been on this uh

01:23:56.400 i've been preaching this for a while now i think we should we need not just as a gimmick like i really

01:24:00.700 believe we should reclaim the title of native american and not not to not to denigrate the people that we

01:24:08.480 call natives who i think that they're that's really interesting to read about their cultures and their

01:24:14.540 history oh they're amazing people but not native to here they're not native to america and they also

01:24:18.860 by the way they're also not native in the strictest sense to this hemisphere like they didn't sprout out

01:24:26.160 of the ground they came here at some point in the past from asia from asia they fought brutally with

01:24:32.700 each other over the land all of the the so-called natives that were here and had claimed land when

01:24:38.760 europeans first started showing up in the late 1400s early 1500s all of those people had were on that

01:24:45.360 land because they brutally killed who'd been on it before right and they raped their women and took

01:24:51.500 their children as slaves one wave of conquest supplanted the next exactly and and and the law

01:24:56.520 of conquest is what determined no it's it's of course it's factually true and by the way it's been

01:25:02.720 suppressed for many decades by anthropologists and archaeologists by the official policy of the u.s

01:25:07.880 government but cracking the human genome made it impossible to deny the origin of the of the

01:25:13.720 american indians which was asia it's fine i mean i really like the native americans uh i do too

01:25:19.200 personally yeah i'm not against them at all i feel so bad for them uh but you're absolutely 100% right

01:25:25.700 i just find it so interesting the coordinated effort to to exterminate white people um which is

01:25:33.540 in full flower now but it's so you know it's 1945 is when it started and but it was every part of our

01:25:41.340 society i mean i remember at fox news in the most gentle way trying to say you know maybe all lives

01:25:46.140 do matter or we shouldn't attack whites because they're white man that was like the worst argument

01:25:50.740 i ever got in with it with the senior executive at the at the network like that's racist no it's

01:25:57.860 actually an argument against racism it's like everybody on all sides was so brainwashed and

01:26:03.680 just accepting this and then of course it happened and so i wonder does it ever let up it didn't let

01:26:11.720 up in zimbabwe or south africa you like take the power kill a bunch of whites suppress them and then

01:26:18.800 like 30 years later you're still blaming them for everything will that happen here when this becomes

01:26:23.200 majority non-white i i all indications are that it will continue i mean so how do you respond to it

01:26:31.160 what's the right way to respond you don't want some kind of race war i don't want to wake up every day

01:26:35.100 thinking about my whiteness i'm not interested in my whiteness just being honest i don't like thinking

01:26:39.280 in those terms sorry call me a boomer which i'm not but i'm i just don't want to i want to see people

01:26:44.360 as people but how do you respond to that because you can't allow that you can't allow people to attack

01:26:50.380 your kids because of their skin color what the fuck right exactly i i think you respond to it

01:26:56.780 and i think there has been some progress actually in this regard probably significant amount you've

01:27:02.780 been a big part of that by the way on the right so thank you well i i mean i think a lot i think i

01:27:06.580 think this is one of the things like i said before there are some victories that conservatives

01:27:11.380 have had yeah uh i know some some of the more doomer minded conservatives say what do we conserve we

01:27:17.320 haven't conserved anything well i'm not saying it's been a it's been a you know i'm not saying

01:27:22.360 it's been we've been batting a thousand but i think we have succeeded i think they're referring

01:27:26.580 i well maybe this is what i think but i do think they're mostly referring to conservative institutions

01:27:31.740 yeah which i would have a republican congress or some republican think tank like those clearly

01:27:38.180 haven't achieved a lot yeah i would agree with that but so so one uh so one one success that i think

01:27:44.180 that you're starting to see recently is that the the left used to get a lot of mileage out of uh

01:27:50.880 obviously not engaging with arguments but just labeling them they would just label the argument

01:27:54.200 and so they would say their way of engaging with argument is say well uh argument's not wrong or

01:27:59.360 right i don't care about that the argument is an ist or ism the argument is racist the argument is

01:28:04.200 is is you know whatever bigoted islamophobic whatever um anti-semitic so that they used to they

01:28:10.880 get a lot of mileage out of that i think what's happening now is that people are people are saying

01:28:14.680 well i don't care about the labels like you can say whatever label you want it just doesn't it

01:28:18.540 doesn't mean anything to me and the reason it doesn't mean anything to me is it's not my fault

01:28:23.080 it's your fault when when you decided that everything fits under that label the label doesn't mean

01:28:28.640 anything anymore exactly uh and i think that's made people more more fearless there was a time i mean

01:28:33.640 look you go back let go back to 2000 not 2000 well certainly 2000 but even going back to 2020

01:28:38.260 um in the the throes of the floyd hysteria and for a lot of people being called racist was

01:28:47.980 it's like the worst thing in the world they were terrified of it oh yeah being called racist was it

01:28:53.480 for a lot of people that was worse than being called like a child molester i mean they they they would

01:28:57.480 rather be called anything but racist and there's all this fear and i think the the race hustlers

01:29:03.460 got a lot of mileage out of that fear i think that fear is starting to dissipate and yet i still

01:29:09.960 haven't seen many people especially people who spend a lot of time claiming bias against them

01:29:16.060 coming out and making unequivocal statements against anti-white hate like that's the one

01:29:21.120 category i haven't seen a lot of people say that like no hating whites is every bit as hating blacks

01:29:26.460 or hating jews or hating asians or whatever hating a group is immoral i have seen very few people say that

01:29:33.040 and barry weiss is not big on that why like what why can't we just say that it's all the same it's

01:29:38.560 all species of the same evil like that that's my opinion i think that's the christian view someone

01:29:43.540 correct me if if i'm wrong but it's certainly my opinion and it makes it it's a coherent argument

01:29:49.840 but i never see anybody say that well i think i think it's a lot of that is programming that's been

01:29:54.880 going on for a long time to to the the way a lot of people programmed is that to speak

01:30:02.300 specifically in defense of white people as a group um to say anything positive about white people as a

01:30:11.620 group is just automatically racist and i think that this and it's it's obviously bonkers right it's so

01:30:18.740 what it's absurd but it's ingrained deeply i mean this goes back to i can remember this kind of

01:30:25.600 conditioning in public school in the 90s i went to public school i can i can you know we talk about

01:30:30.320 wokeness like it just started in 2015 it didn't and maybe it was worse in 2015 than it was in 1993

01:30:35.820 i can remember it in 1993 and i can remember being in school and the only time that if we ever talked

01:30:44.460 about like our ancestors or the people who founded this country or anything like that it was it was

01:30:53.720 either in an expressly negative way let's talk about all the terrible terrible things they did

01:30:57.660 or if we are going to acknowledge anything good they did we have to couch it by first saying

01:31:02.220 well here's a lot of bad things they did they also did this but also the bad and so that's been

01:31:08.060 going on for such a long time these were in retrospect these were the first moves these were the shock

01:31:13.380 troops of a total takeover and change in the country like this was preparation for what we

01:31:18.940 got under biden where it's just like let's just totally transform the demographics of the country

01:31:24.620 in four years and then no one will feel free to say anything about it because racism right i mean it

01:31:31.540 feels that way to me i don't know if it was a strategy or intentional but it was certainly

01:31:34.980 a coordinated effort maybe unconsciously but like it wasn't an accident and it happened in every

01:31:40.700 white majority country and that's why there won't be any white majority countries really soon

01:31:46.040 and so like what was that i i kind of wish i wasn't white in saying this because it's like

01:31:53.360 it's not self it's first of all it's curiosity like what the hell you almost never see anything

01:31:57.700 happen globally that's that similar in countries that aren't that similar like the united states is not

01:32:05.760 that similar to the uk or canada or new zealand australia but exactly the same thing happened in

01:32:13.080 all of those places much much worse in a lot of those places but australia yeah oh if you visit

01:32:18.760 those places it'll just break your heart because the people are broken but in canada they they are

01:32:24.740 canada is not even a country it's not a country and they are they are overwhelmed with guilt they they

01:32:30.880 are they're murdering the government is murdering tens of thousands of its citizens every year

01:32:35.900 they're almost all white and now they're going to be doing it to kids and by the way under the maids

01:32:41.060 program they're harvesting the organs they're harvesting the organs from the canadians they kill

01:32:47.400 so it's like the darkest thing that's like i would feel much freer and safer living in china than

01:32:54.120 canada i can't believe i'm saying that i actually love canada but that's happening and no one's saying a

01:32:59.100 word about it yeah it's well that that in particular is one of those things that it's so dark

01:33:03.780 and so depraved that when you talk about it i think a lot of people especially in america

01:33:08.200 they think you you're making it up or you're exaggerating i almost don't talk about it

01:33:11.960 very often because i don't think anyone believes it but i live right near canada and i know and i i'm

01:33:19.620 like the only american who really sincerely loves canada because it's just so beautiful not the only but

01:33:23.820 not many people care about canada i do so i know a lot of canadians and that's absolutely you'll look

01:33:28.920 it up on the inner tubes it's there it's it's becoming one of the leading causes of death

01:33:33.180 and it is one of the leading causes of death is is a is assisted suicide am i just the government

01:33:38.800 killing you and not because you have als but because you can't pay your rent and then extending

01:33:44.240 it to children and then harvesting the organs and the blood i mean i i feel like they're a way

01:33:50.380 bigger threat to the united states than venezuela i would be open to an argument in favor of invading

01:33:57.820 and occupying canada on human rights grounds i'm not joking even a tiny bit i think it's one of the

01:34:01.940 darkest countries in the world and it's such a great country with such great people i don't know

01:34:06.360 how we can allow this to happen without at least saying something about i'm not actually arguing for

01:34:10.760 military action but like maybe threatening it the they're way worse than maduro way worse than maduro

01:34:18.540 way worse so like but i'm sure i'll be like scolded for how can you say that because it's true

01:34:24.960 yeah well the the maid program alone is one of the most evil things happening in the world period

01:34:30.640 murdering your citizens and harvesting their organs on a greater scale than china does really

01:34:35.240 and it's right there i think one of the things that's happening why are people ignoring this

01:34:40.040 in america well one thing it's it's people it's like not your country so you think it doesn't

01:34:44.540 affect you i think it does affect us because also also like when you look at canada and europe and

01:34:49.480 these guys that we're on the same kind of crazy train they're just a few train cars up and so and so

01:34:55.240 we that's why you got to pay attention to where they are because we're going to be there so that's

01:34:58.420 that's one yes thank you but i think that also for for some conservatives in this country uh there's

01:35:05.700 some embarrassment about this because they i think there are plenty of conservatives who've been

01:35:11.380 at least indifferent to the issue of euthanasia and have even kind of i've had many arguments with

01:35:17.320 so-called conservatives actually over the years not as much now because you see what's happening

01:35:20.980 with maid but over the years with saying that well you know because they get hung up on this well it's

01:35:26.240 a personal choice and and they just think as conservatives you just you you cannot oppose

01:35:31.480 a personal choice you just you you can't do it um and uh and it's it's it's it's kind of

01:35:38.160 libertarian instinct gone way haywire my mind and and so there but now you can see now those of us

01:35:46.300 who have always been against so a desperate person has free will is that what they're saying

01:35:49.820 and that's the problem these are children they don't know what they're talking about and also

01:35:54.420 and also so those of us those of us who are opposed to it we have been saying for years like this is

01:36:02.080 where it's going to go okay yeah right now they are and the other argument for euthanasia was well

01:36:06.920 these are people who are in terrible pain and they're a death store they've only got days or

01:36:12.940 at most weeks to live anyway they're in horrible pain you have no idea what it's like and so they

01:36:17.880 should be able to they should be able to have a way out and and uh and like from an emotional level

01:36:25.300 like i get what you're saying i totally disagree with it i get what you're saying our argument was

01:36:30.780 was a few arguments but the big one was okay that's what we're doing it's already evil to do that

01:36:35.760 even with someone who's terminally ill they're doing that now though it will not stop there

01:36:40.360 because it never stops there and once you give the state and the medical establishment the authority

01:36:46.280 to kill they will not stop it always starts with the most justifiable version of it that they can

01:36:53.980 muster which is still totally unjustifiable in my view but they always start with the most

01:36:58.700 justifiable version and then next it's like okay yeah but yeah we should include people who maybe

01:37:04.100 they're not terminally ill but they're chronically ill and they're a lot of pain and okay now we've

01:37:08.200 included them well what about what about mental illnesses well what about this person over there

01:37:11.880 he's homeless yeah he's not terminally ill but his life is has no meaning and he's terrible he lives

01:37:15.940 on the street and then and then you know step step step step and eventually you're killing kids

01:37:20.940 too but we've seen this we've seen this and by the way i'm older than you and so they were still

01:37:26.040 teaching this in schools when i was a kid but the the the nazi experiment began with euthanasia

01:37:31.600 famously and it wasn't just on a small scale it was like hundreds of thousands of people killed

01:37:37.720 and it began well the down syndrome like how could your life be worth living and then it wound up with

01:37:41.860 dietrich bonhoeffer in the warsaw ghetto like this was a very clear much written about continuum that

01:37:49.140 began with murdering the weakest and then again you know uh it ended where it famously ended which

01:37:56.420 was with mass murder but hitler was famous for his euthanasia program he was also famous for like

01:38:03.780 rounding people up and moving them to new places like is now openly being discussed in gaza it's

01:38:09.040 like the whole thing is so bonkers and it just tells you that human evil is not specific to any group or

01:38:14.320 time or place it resides in every person every person is capable of this kind of behavior justifying

01:38:19.240 this kind of behavior and we should all be on guard against it but like hitler was very famous for

01:38:26.500 euthanasia did you even learn that in school no certainly not so funny things change i was in first

01:38:33.020 grade in 1975 and that was like a feature of it you know he was bad because he killed people on the

01:38:41.760 basis of like their dna that's not allowed and he killed the weakest not allowed and i guess they

01:38:48.760 stopped teaching that and and the other thing is when you give when you give the medical

01:38:54.880 establishment when you accept the idea that death is a treatment yeah um you have opened

01:39:03.060 the darkest door imaginable yes and this is what's so frustrating is that what is often what are often

01:39:11.520 decried as slippery slope arguments people talk about oh it's a fallacy slippery slope first of all

01:39:16.080 slippery slope is not a fallacy that's not it's not a fallacious way of making an argument all we're

01:39:21.600 trying to show you is that okay here's a door you've opened okay you've made an argument to justify

01:39:29.860 something and what i'm trying to tell you is that i can take that argument intact and use it to justify

01:39:36.680 this thing over here that we both agree is horrific and so if i can do that what that tells me is that

01:39:43.960 what it should tell you is that either your argument is bad or the thing you're arguing for is bad or

01:39:48.960 both and so that's what the slippery slope thing is and and and that was the point with euthanasia

01:39:53.280 once you allow the the medical establishment to to use death murder as a form of medical treatment

01:40:04.820 you've completely flipped it on its head because the whole point of medicine is to heal and treat

01:40:10.700 and so so to avoid death and pain like that's the point of it and now you've flipped it upside down

01:40:17.720 and you've said that death is the treatment and so now you've just destroyed the whole thing you've

01:40:22.480 destroyed it and uh but this has happened i think that almost all obstetricians are required to

01:40:29.620 commit abortion during their training yeah well that's right so then you wind up with an entire

01:40:34.600 medical corps that's evil yeah yeah like there are a lot of evil doctors not just a few but

01:40:42.140 a lot evil and or i mean this is the same thing but they they have to be very indifferent to human

01:40:50.400 life which is evil uh so but did you realize i did i certainly didn't realize it really was the

01:40:57.460 covid vax and the lack of covid treat the intentional lack of covid letting people die rather than treating

01:41:02.780 their symptoms which happened extensively across the united states that sounds like these people

01:41:08.180 aren't just wrong they're like the worst people and the physicians are the worst people in the

01:41:14.620 country and for all the nurses sweet nurses i love nurses sorry um who like stood up and like this is

01:41:21.440 wrong almost no doctors did a few a few mary tally bowden and people like that but like not a lot

01:41:28.680 and i was just like our doctors are evil not just mistaken they're bad do you do you feel that

01:41:36.340 i i think a lot of them are i mean certainly obviously not all of them but not all of them

01:41:41.000 right yeah but but like not five percent right exactly we're like 70 percent well and how about

01:41:47.640 also there's abortion euthanasia covid you've gone but then also something that i don't think we

01:41:54.060 should just drop and move on from because speaking of justice there has not been justice for this

01:41:59.140 which is that um for years we had the entire medical establishment unanimously almost telling us

01:42:07.640 that uh the best thing to do with a a young boy who's a little bit confused about his identity

01:42:14.020 is to castrate him and they were doing that they were doing that to thousands of kids they were

01:42:19.420 chopping the breasts they're still doing it in some places uh but it was certainly happening at

01:42:24.680 scale for a long time they're chopping the breasts off of 15 year old girls and um it what to your

01:42:29.680 point it was not just like a few doctors there's a lot of doctors that were involved in it a lot more

01:42:35.160 doctors supported it and a lot of other doctors who maybe didn't like it but they didn't say a word

01:42:41.360 they did not speak up against it this is this is some of the most insane barbaric frankenstein

01:42:47.040 bullshit that the world has ever seen completely unjustifiable no one can argue in defense of it

01:42:54.540 it's the one of the craziest things that's ever happened in the history of the planet it's hard

01:42:59.960 to hear this even because you're because you're right right and and it was it just went on and the

01:43:05.840 the way that the the advocates for this the way that they argued in favor of it because obviously

01:43:11.740 they couldn't make any substantive argument for castrating kids what they would always say is

01:43:16.100 well look at all these medical establishments every single one of them is in favor of it and

01:43:20.400 they were right they all were all what's so crazy is that um you know female genital mutilation which

01:43:27.440 is you know universal in a few countries i think somalia is one of them but um was very frowned upon by

01:43:35.140 by feminists and also by me as a lover of women and it was a feature of debate on cable news shows

01:43:41.320 like my most of my life as a cable news debater fgm you know we do a segment on fgm or whatever can

01:43:47.720 you believe they're doing this and like nobody would defend it you know we'd look far and wide who

01:43:53.300 will defend female genital a clinorectomy like who would defend that and you know our bookers tried

01:44:00.440 really hard but there weren't many all of a sudden no one mentioned it again and that's because they

01:44:05.940 started doing it and it's just a reminder that you don't have to be somali or a nazi or any specific

01:44:13.340 group to participate in evil like this is a human problem and the second they stop talking about how

01:44:20.660 what other people did is bad it's probably a tip that they're going to start doing it themselves right

01:44:25.960 and it's also a lesson that it's very easy i mean look nobody wants to admit it now but

01:44:32.780 at the height of the trans madness and i don't mean to talk about it totally in the past tense

01:44:37.620 like it's over it's not but we are past the height of it it feels that um thank god but at the height

01:44:45.580 of it no one wants to admit it now but uh almost everyone on the left supported it vocally so and

01:44:54.560 most people on the right did you know told themselves or insisted that it's not worth saying anything

01:45:01.120 about it's not that big of a deal right that's exactly right this is a this is a cultural war

01:45:05.300 sideshow um and so what that tells us is that it's actually very easy for people to convince

01:45:12.480 themselves to go along with the worst evils that are even conceivable no that's totally right people

01:45:20.540 it's very easy to convince yourself and partisanship is not a good guide to that i can as you just said

01:45:26.480 yourself a lot of people that are on our side like i don't want to deal with that yeah it's it's it's

01:45:33.720 well because what you have are i mean usually this is not how it always works out but um you've got

01:45:41.020 the really evil thing being promoted facilitated by the left whether it's abortion or euthanasia

01:45:48.380 whatever else and then you've got cowardice on the right um refusing to speak up against it

01:45:55.420 uh until it's very safe to do so you know and then and then everybody does and that's why it's

01:46:01.340 also been on the trans issue it's been interesting over the last like year year and a half to have uh

01:46:07.620 like people coming out of the woodwork like very very boldly saying you know men uh men shouldn't be

01:46:14.540 in women's sports like yeah thanks for that like i could have we could have used that six years ago

01:46:20.460 well because this was one of those issues was you and a few other people just changed it it wasn't

01:46:24.300 congress it was you made your movie um and you wouldn't stop talking about it and there were a few

01:46:29.860 others but they were all in the commentariat they were all like in the pundit class it was not

01:46:34.460 it was no like u.s senator who led the charge against this some followed in the end but it came from

01:46:40.440 outside the system i guess is what i'm saying right so that kind of shows among other things that

01:46:49.440 the commentariat which is insufferable i took even as i say this part of it does matter matters

01:46:56.280 actually the opinions you see on all these podcasts like they over time do change things

01:47:01.220 clearly so to circle back to where we began how is this current

01:47:09.440 conflict the intra-right conflict resolved

01:47:15.680 i don't i don't know i i if i knew how

01:47:24.460 to do it i would do it um if i if i knew how to solve it if i knew how to bridge the divide and get

01:47:32.840 everyone on the same side again i would do it i've tried in my own way i know i have not been

01:47:39.060 successful i have tried you're you're like the the last person with a foot in each world it's

01:47:44.800 interesting and i and i i value that like this this isn't for me this is what people have to

01:47:50.200 understand i i try not to take it personally the insults i mean when you're in this world you get

01:47:55.140 insulted all the time and you do do it uh you have to you have to have thick skin there are certain

01:48:02.380 attacks against me that i should not admit this but i will that do bother me like they do they like

01:48:10.300 what okay you opened it you opened the door so well charges of well when people say things that

01:48:15.940 just aren't true like and it happens all the time and it's it's the one thing i should be the

01:48:19.960 most used to i guess i am but it just pisses me off really like it it does because i i'm the

01:48:26.080 opposite it's only the true attacks that upset me i i don't know yeah it it shouldn't but when people

01:48:32.180 are i see someone you know make a claim especially if it's someone it doesn't have to be but especially

01:48:36.700 if it's someone who i kind of know and yeah it's not but saying something that's like it's not true

01:48:41.300 you're ascribing motives to me that it's just it's so it's just the exact opposite of what is

01:48:46.620 actually true and you're not even asking me you're not reaching out you're not giving me a

01:48:51.440 chance to speak for myself who did that to you and i i here's the thing i talked about loyalty before

01:48:56.780 i'm i'm so uh devoted to it that i i have people i consider friends who have been attacking me

01:49:04.740 publicly and i still don't want to attack welcome to my world i still don't want to do you feel like

01:49:12.200 there's a connection between the degree to which you've helped someone and the vehemence of the

01:49:15.560 attack i've noticed that in just in my life i'm not whining and i agree with you it's i hate

01:49:21.700 why i'm being attacked i'm being threatened someone shot at my house like i'm never gonna say that

01:49:26.260 okay though it's true but i have noticed that a lot of people i've helped are like on the front

01:49:32.720 lines of attacking me or calling me names they know aren't true nazi and i feel like

01:49:38.800 there's a connection it's not random it's like if you've helped someone maybe they resent you for

01:49:44.260 it i i don't down yeah there there might be some of that i mean there's there's a

01:49:49.120 there's a lot of things first of all everybody's very emotional like yeah and i try to keep that in

01:49:54.860 mind too people i try not to do the thing that pisses me off so much people do to me which is

01:49:59.280 ascribing motives and saying well you're really doing this because of this and and i think sometimes

01:50:04.100 people do a lot of people do have ulterior motives clearly and people are scheming and they're playing

01:50:08.920 games and also by the way we live in a space like this is a business and uh and people do this for

01:50:15.460 a living and so there's also just competitiveness no it's right and that happens but then at the

01:50:20.820 same time people also get just pissed off and they get emotional well that's definitely true and

01:50:25.780 there's and that's happening on all so i recognize that like some of the so that's why some of the the

01:50:29.920 some of the people that go after me publicly even be like consider friends and i'm like you have my

01:50:33.980 phone number you call me and you're not and i try to understand like i do my maybe it's for my own

01:50:38.780 sanity i i try to be as charitable as possible and think like well they're just they're wrong but

01:50:43.980 they're really angry and they've got this whole story about me that's not correct but that that's

01:50:50.660 what's happening they're just pissed off and i've been pissed off before and said things i regret

01:50:53.680 so i i think i think a lot of that's happened to go back to the question of what to do about it

01:50:58.480 well i guess i guess i don't know why i'm going back to it because i don't have the answer but

01:51:02.840 i think the only thing that can be done is for all of us if you're on the right

01:51:12.620 to go back to some of the basics that we talked about at the beginning of the conversation

01:51:16.720 like what is it that we want exactly what is it that we actually want what's the real catechism here

01:51:22.500 what does it mean to be on the right exactly what what are we it's the classic question about

01:51:26.900 conservatives what are you trying to conserve it's a good question you should be able to answer that

01:51:29.960 you should be able to answer that what are you trying to conserve and everybody needs to ask

01:51:33.480 themselves that and come up with an answer come up write your list write it out if you have to

01:51:37.560 whatever come up with your list i'm gonna do this this is my this is my calling right here and

01:51:42.780 and everyone should have their list and then we should compare notes and if our lists match up like

01:51:49.280 we want the same things we're trying to conserve and preserve the same things

01:51:52.060 then the only way forward is is with that is for us to realize that like let's let's reorient

01:51:58.760 towards that make make that the goal and and remember that even when we disagree we're gonna

01:52:05.360 have disagreements but we're only disagreeing about how to do this thing that we both want done

01:52:10.840 and and uh and i think that's the way forward now on the other hand maybe you start looking at

01:52:17.920 your list and you and you realize that i actually don't even want the same things as these as these

01:52:21.760 people okay well then we're not on the same side and that's very clarifying too i think that there

01:52:26.020 are you feel that's happening in my mind i'm like i we don't have anything in common actually i thought

01:52:31.380 we did but we don't um is that happening to you i there are certainly some of that i i think that there

01:52:40.480 are definitely people who just want don't don't don't want the same things at all they don't have

01:52:44.260 the same fundamental goals i think that's certainly happening and that's part that's part of the

01:52:48.420 clarifying that's part of the uh is that bad or good well clarity is good yeah clear i think i think

01:52:54.500 we need clarity um but for me like i said the only person and i believe this holy i try to live by it

01:53:03.100 the only person who can speak to your intentions is you the only person who can tell anyone what's in

01:53:07.520 your mind is you and so if someone says to me that's why i try to interview people right so exactly

01:53:13.300 you're allowed to speak for yourself and so i i've given my list of what it is that i want to

01:53:19.100 conserve and preserve uh can you just can you in an abbreviated form just run through it really quick

01:53:25.420 one more time because i think i agreed with it abbreviated is always a trouble for me well no you

01:53:30.620 don't have to abbreviate it we just say it again like what are the thing you're saying there's left

01:53:35.500 right what even i don't even know what that means anymore but like people who share your values

01:53:41.080 believe what they believe in objective truth yeah okay they they believe in truth uh number one

01:53:51.080 that there that there is a that there is a truth okay i'm gonna write this down and hold on hold on

01:53:56.700 now okay objective truth yeah objective truth whether or not there can i just add one caveat i'm not

01:54:05.380 always convinced i know what the objective truth is i've certainly been wrong but i know it exists

01:54:10.500 right exactly and that's and that's exactly the point we can disagree about what the truth is

01:54:15.000 we're we're gonna have those disagreements right but but we have to be able to agree that there is

01:54:18.640 a truth right to begin with and when you're talking to someone who's a moral relativist they're on the

01:54:22.660 left you can't even agree on that so there's no conversation to be had we cannot even have a

01:54:26.740 conversation that's and that is the that's the problem that's our problem in our culture um and even

01:54:31.520 and even above the truth the reason why there's an objective truth is that there is a there is god

01:54:37.040 the the god that there is a a god there is god and um and he has designed the universe

01:54:47.300 and everything and everybody in it um and that's the the source that's the wellspring of truth

01:54:55.120 you know that that's why there is a truth because god designed it a certain way and so it is

01:54:59.700 like that's the the fundamental bare bones truth is that god has designed it this way

01:55:04.580 that this is that this is god's universe and that is the truth so um so i think i think that's number

01:55:11.980 one yeah that's number one and then what do we try everything flows from that everything flows from

01:55:17.440 that what are we trying but in america as american conservatives what are we trying to conserve

01:55:25.120 we're trying to conserve american identity our national identity we're trying to conserve the institution

01:55:33.420 of the family uh which is the the foundation of the country and of of civilization we're trying to

01:55:44.680 conserve the institution of the marriage which is the foundation of the family so this is the foundation

01:55:49.260 of the foundation which is the foundation of american identity right and we're trying to conserve

01:55:57.940 all those things and then and then at a broader level we're trying to conserve western civilization

01:56:03.480 itself which grows from so if if you were to sum it up you could say objective truth derived from a belief

01:56:11.940 that this is all created we are not the creators exactly and the the family the family unit husband wife

01:56:21.780 children which is the basis of all human civilization so objective truth family yeah i i think i think

01:56:31.060 that's if i were writing this on my hand for the test okay yeah probably in here so the teacher

01:56:35.980 couldn't see it it would just be objective truth family yeah and i would also put national identity for

01:56:41.100 we're talking about american conservatives which is what we're talking about but then the question

01:56:45.140 goes like what's that yeah well that's uh and and that's also a debate in a sense i think there are

01:56:53.560 some basic things but but uh but again that's like okay as long as we agree that we need one that we

01:57:00.000 need that we yeah we cannot so uh we have a culture right we need to have a culture and multiculturalism

01:57:08.380 cannot be the cult that's not a culture that's there has to be a unifying set of beliefs or customs

01:57:14.880 that keep the country from breaking apart otherwise it will break apart so and that's the point so the

01:57:20.500 things there if we if someone looks at that like that's i'm speaking for myself and not just myself

01:57:27.000 i think a lot but but that's that's my north star and if you look at that and you say well i want the

01:57:33.140 same things like i i so i'm fighting for um then you are on my side period like we we are on the same

01:57:41.500 side and and we'll have a lot of arguments again about how to do that how to achieve that we'll have

01:57:48.580 a lot of arguments about it and those could be like fruitful arguments those don't those don't have

01:57:52.460 to be angry nasty personal arguments they could just be discussions uh you know as as as adults

01:57:58.800 and we'll do that but we're on the same side however if you look at that and you say i don't you

01:58:05.420 know well i don't need i don't believe in any of that like i don't well i don't believe in god i don't

01:58:10.120 like truth you know we all have our own truth the family i think the family is like you know

01:58:14.920 marriage doesn't matter we don't need the family if you and a lot of people feel that way so fine

01:58:19.900 you're allowed to feel that way we're not on the same side at all no matter what else you believe

01:58:25.060 i i and and then i might agree with you on then you might go on and from there and say

01:58:29.640 yeah but i really think that gun rights are important and i think we need to restrict immigration

01:58:33.800 and i want to abolish the income tax or whatever i'd agree with you on those points but we're

01:58:39.120 not fundamentally on the same side it's so smart i i don't want to blow anyone's mind but i you know

01:58:44.080 travel a lot talk to people for a living you would be amazed by the people i know who agree with you

01:58:49.900 vehemently on and sincerely on those two points and they're not all on this on the right

01:58:55.660 at all which is kind of interesting so it does feel like this is a there's like a true realignment

01:59:03.440 happening now i just know in my own life the people who reach out to me in some cases are people

01:59:10.160 you would expect in some cases they're not all people you would expect and they're just they're

01:59:14.200 hearing the same music and they're motivated by the same impulses and that is one a belief

01:59:19.380 that we are living in a world we didn't create these rules aren't ours it's it's basically the the

01:59:27.180 nature argument like you can't ignore nature because you're not in charge of it you cannot ignore

01:59:31.280 natural law because you didn't make it because god made it a and b in the end your only true

01:59:38.200 protection is your family and your deepest connection is to your family and that needs to

01:59:43.360 be protected above all which i think is a variety of what you were just saying the people who reach

01:59:49.700 out to me who who believe that man it's it would blow your mind so i guess what i would say is

01:59:56.640 it feels like a lot of our politics is artificial it's inorganic it was these divisions in some

02:00:02.840 cases are you know are real in some cases they were created in order to get us to not see that we have a

02:00:10.500 lot in common with other people does that make sense i think so look and if someone the words left

02:00:17.820 and right are labels that we put on on things well people have always said that but i never really

02:00:22.760 believed it i was like that's bullshit but it's just it's a way of categorizing and organizing things

02:00:28.360 so we can speak about them coherently um but sometimes the labels that we use you know we have

02:00:37.020 to we have to uh shift it over there might be people who so but like anyone who you've talked to

02:00:45.020 who we would say is on the left who agrees with all that well then i would say they're not on the

02:00:50.200 left well i agree you know they might they might they might even think they still are but they're not

02:00:55.800 um and so they're uh they're they're over on this side and uh you can kind of call it whatever you

02:01:03.060 want i'm saying right conservative we could come up with any team team name we want i guess what i'm

02:01:08.820 saying is then your side is bigger than you think it is yeah maybe i for the during the when we're

02:01:15.520 talking about the trans issue and i've sort of talked about the teams what i've come to what i've

02:01:20.320 come to call the side that's against all the trans madness is team sanity you know yeah um it's just

02:01:26.980 we're for sanity like on this issue we're sane people and fully acknowledging that on that issue

02:01:35.520 there were people who uh i don't agree with on like anything else but are sane on this i can think

02:01:42.980 of some of the i used to have this woman on oh i really liked her i don't think she ever liked me

02:01:49.500 at all i can't remember her name she was a radical lesbian feminist and every she would always come

02:01:56.140 into the studio on the trans issue years ago and she was like i could i could hear her thinking i can't

02:02:02.320 believe i'm in the same room as this monster but we were so aligned on it and i always wondered like

02:02:09.860 why did she care so i mean she we must have been more aligned than either of us realized if she cared

02:02:14.660 that much about it right uh you must have dealt with a million people like this yeah yeah and this

02:02:21.160 is a conversation i would have sometimes with the because i it's very strange bedfellows i would find

02:02:24.860 myself aligned on that issue with some feminists like left far left feminists but the the radical ones

02:02:31.860 yeah um but the the point i would try to make to them i think mostly unsuccessfully is that okay

02:02:39.020 if you if we agree on this that i i think like if you can see the truth on this then i think we

02:02:46.320 should agree on a lot more you know i well that's my instinct too right um what would they say

02:02:51.400 well for me i i'm not the guy to make an argument to feminists they're not gonna listen to me

02:02:56.860 there might be someone who can um be kind of the i think you could convert a few matt walsh i i i don't

02:03:04.240 know it's my my track record would say otherwise but uh but the point is that like the argument i

02:03:12.220 would make to them is that actually i know you call yourself a feminist the reason why we have

02:03:17.300 this problem is because of feminism uh feminism is the actually the root of this problem worse and so

02:03:23.220 if you agree with me on this then i think really you are critiquing feminism so you're not a feminist

02:03:29.480 get it together come over here and i they didn't find that that was that was mansplaining you know

02:03:34.560 they weren't that was definitely they weren't like ready to run to the patriarchy after that no no

02:03:39.840 that's a shame so here's my last question and again it begins where we began which is the fact

02:03:47.820 that you're like at the center of all of this i really do think you're the last person on the

02:03:52.360 right you know the official you know well-known official podcaster right who has you know a foot

02:03:58.760 in two camps and so it's just the pressure on you i've just noticed it uh has been almost

02:04:04.140 unbelievable and you've bore up under it it went so impressively but how do you keep yourself from

02:04:11.380 becoming a hater when you're under just relentless assault and not just your views but your motives

02:04:18.140 your character when people you really like or your friends are denouncing you and most people

02:04:23.240 live an entire lifetime without that experience it's an unusual experience and it can drive some

02:04:28.900 like totally crazy like they become foaming at the mouth haters how have you avoided that

02:04:33.720 uh maybe the honest answer is i have not avoided it well okay but i but i but i but i think that's

02:04:42.200 uh i mean look the the real the correct answer is prayer i mean you know you have to have a rich

02:04:48.680 prayer life yes and um i i do have a prayer life i don't think it's as rich as it should be i think and

02:04:55.680 i think that uh uh i think like a lot of people you kind of go through waves i go through waves and

02:05:01.020 and and then i i go through and here's what happens with me and i think it's probably relatable

02:05:04.140 is that when you're really frustrated and stressed out and things are not really working out how you

02:05:11.620 want them to um your kind of prayer life can dry up too and to start because that starts feeling

02:05:18.220 everything just starts feeling kind of dry everything starts feeling like nothing's working

02:05:22.880 no one's listening you feel frustrated no one in your life is like hearing what you're saying and you

02:05:27.920 start to feel like god is not hearing you either and it's just this kind of frustration and then and

02:05:32.640 then it snowballs you know and then it becomes a it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because now

02:05:37.300 you're everything's feeling everything's feels kind of dried up and frustrated and so that's what

02:05:42.380 happens with your prayer life and then everything gets worse because of that um and so those are the

02:05:48.500 the moments where you have to be very intentional and say i'm really annoyed and frustrated i don't feel

02:05:53.520 like praying i don't even know if god's listening he's always listening but in a frustrated moment

02:05:58.040 you feel like he's not um and that's when you have to realize that and then reorient yourself and

02:06:04.320 become you know and for me when i have those moments i've i've found that just being more

02:06:08.720 structured like sometimes you have to like anything in life that that is good you have to kind of force

02:06:13.520 yourself to do it sometimes you have to get into a habit what's your structure if you don't mind

02:06:17.760 well i think there's you set up a time for prayer in the morning like you said just times this is my

02:06:24.600 this is my time when i'm going to pray you know yes and hopefully it's multiple times a day um but

02:06:32.720 and when you have a really rich prayer life and you're you're in a good flow it's like you're you're

02:06:38.740 a constant prayer it's like a it's a constant it's a constant state of going to god even if you're not on

02:06:45.760 your knees rejoice in everything never stop praying yeah and i think that you know things

02:06:51.500 like your your physical posture when you're when you're praying that that can matter and especially

02:06:55.280 really if you're going through a if you're going through a dry spell in your prayer life i think

02:06:59.640 like actually knee kneeling being on your knees um does matter and you can pray without being on

02:07:06.820 your knees but it can kind of help to orient you in the right way and it's kind of your your body

02:07:13.660 telling your mind something which is that you are submitting yourself like you're on your knees

02:07:18.760 you are submitting yourself to a power that is greater than you that's why you're doing this

02:07:22.980 and so you're reminding yourself that there's someone greater than you who you are appealing to

02:07:28.620 um and so i think stuff like that can can help also how much time do you spend on x

02:07:35.940 too much meaning like way too much i don't know what effect does that have uh not not good i mean

02:07:46.500 it's also hard for me because it's my job and not like my job requires you know it's like a not like

02:07:52.980 there's a i have to punch in the clock and go on x but part of the job is to be clued in and i'm also

02:07:58.700 creating content every day i do a show five days a week four days a week now um and so this is where

02:08:04.880 the conversation's happening this is where all the content all the sort of content is all the

02:08:08.520 things i want to talk about yeah um i also use it as kind of a you know it's it's like i'll start a

02:08:15.300 conversation on x and and then i'll talk about it on the show and it's just kind of this feeds off of

02:08:19.440 each other thing um but the problem and all that is good and i'm glad that it's there for that reason

02:08:26.640 but the problem is this stuff sucks you in like it just sucks you in and um because i bet i'm just

02:08:35.860 guessing you're not into say pornography or cocaine or i don't know right zero i knew that zero so like

02:08:43.140 for a man like you you're not you know you don't you're not ruled by your addictions but do you feel

02:08:49.140 like x well it's weird here's the weird thing for me it the the amount of time i spend on it sometimes

02:08:57.460 would seem like an addict however when i go on vacation and i say i'm i'm leaving i'm not going

02:09:04.160 to be doing a show i'm i'm out of the i'm going to be out i'm not paying attention to anything

02:09:07.820 then i go on vacation i put the phone down i have zero desire to pick it up i i don't even find

02:09:16.460 myself like i gotta find out what's happening i put it down i'm on vacation i have no desire in

02:09:21.560 fact it's the opposite when i come back i have to force myself i know to like get into this again

02:09:26.760 and almost it's almost it's ridiculous i'm like forcing myself to tweet because i got to get in

02:09:30.920 the flow to do the job and um so that tells me it's not really an addiction it's something even

02:09:37.500 worse i guess because when i have the chance to walk away from it i so eagerly do it's like my soul

02:09:43.480 telling me like you got this this is what i actually long for is not this i think that's a

02:09:49.280 really good sign i i think it's a good sign um do you feel like when you i'll tell you i feel when i

02:09:55.040 go on it because i know so many of the people who are tweeting their opinions it's like seeing all of

02:10:00.600 your acquaintances naked i feel like people reveal so much about themselves and it's like wow you don't

02:10:07.480 look great naked i mean i never really thought about you naked but now that i can see it you should put

02:10:11.820 some clothes back on that's the feeling i have every time i go on there that is uh that's that's

02:10:17.640 interesting way of putting it and i think that's true i mean that's it used to be right if you were

02:10:23.840 like a prominent person in some field uh if you ever gave your opinions publicly depending on the

02:10:32.020 field you might never give your opinion publicly but if you ever did it was like in a structured it was

02:10:37.240 a very intentional kind of way and i try and stick to that and now and now we have it used to be like

02:10:44.100 it's hard for people for kids these days to realize this but it used to be that we would have all these

02:10:49.020 like famous people and celebrities and most of them we never knew what they thought about anything

02:10:54.120 we had no clue what they thought we didn't even know what their personalities were

02:10:58.280 we only saw them because they were throwing a football or because they were acting in a thing or

02:11:02.960 whatever and now yeah we just know everyone's opinion up to date on every whoever thought that

02:11:10.760 i mean if you told me 10 years ago that like all the people in charge were thoroughly banal and

02:11:16.980 conventional at best but they had nothing interesting to say they never thought about anything ever

02:11:21.500 like hillary clinton had not a single thought in her head and that some guy called oran mcintyre

02:11:28.000 whoever that is would turn out to be you know or you or like all these people who 10 years ago were

02:11:33.720 not they're very far from what we might think of as a public intellectual all of a sudden they're

02:11:39.220 purely through the force of their ideas and the clarity of their expression we're kind of defining

02:11:43.280 the terms that is a huge change it's totally disempowered the poobah class and it's given rise to this

02:11:53.300 like genuinely interesting bubbling conversation like at best do you feel that yeah i do which is why

02:12:01.180 i mean we talk about social media talk about x and uh i don't want to talk as though i think it's a

02:12:10.120 it's a overall like nothing but a negative because i do think it allows oh total no no it's a mixed blessing

02:12:16.160 for sure so and that is true like it allows and it obviously has created a situation where the

02:12:22.580 institutions that used to control the conversation completely now now don't control it at all and

02:12:31.780 they're like they've shown that they're just not impressive that like in the true and fabled

02:12:37.220 marketplace of ideas they're like a rummage sale actually yeah they have nothing to say but like who

02:12:45.160 would buy that crap it's just not once we see it in its entirety once the mystique has been stripped

02:12:49.520 away they have nothing to offer like they're just totally pedestrian and then these right i mean do

02:12:57.620 you ever see random twitter accounts you have no idea who this is it's not someone who's anyone's ever

02:13:02.660 heard of making a point that's so profound that like you can't get it out of your head does that

02:13:07.080 ever happen to you oh definitely i was just thinking i saw i don't remember who the guy was but yeah i read

02:13:11.480 it i read a tweet a couple days ago and it was this lengthy like really well written analysis of

02:13:16.900 something i can't even remember but it's like a random twitter i don't know who that guy is like

02:13:22.080 what and uh in a way it's kind of sad because i read that i'm like well i don't know this guy's a

02:13:27.540 philosopher he should be in a different age no but affirmative action has kept them all out so this

02:13:31.840 is what this is where they went so you're like well you know we don't have a meritocracy anymore and

02:13:36.000 the smartest most impressive people literally can't get jobs or grants or into college so like what are

02:13:40.900 they doing and they're tweeting yeah tweeting these like morsels of incredible wisdom in some

02:13:47.800 cases no truly yeah and and but this is as you said mixed blessing the problem is that

02:13:53.540 in between the morsels of great wisdom you've got nothing but just slop and and all this right and

02:14:01.080 so the best thing we can do is things like keep keep your prayer life alive and um control you see

02:14:10.720 if you have self-control and and and how you interact with this one of the worst things

02:14:14.920 and i everyone does this i do it i think it's the worst habit that almost everyone has now i'm sure

02:14:23.580 i do it too then if it's a bad habit uh the first thing you do when you wake up in the morning

02:14:29.860 is check your phone i don't do that well then you're you're in better shop shape than i am and

02:14:35.480 a lot of people never and that's that is like the worst i used to that's like having blueberry

02:14:41.360 pancakes for breakfast which was a habit that was very hard for me to break but once i did it i

02:14:46.780 realized that framed my whole day in the wrong the wrong way have you ever started the day with

02:14:52.660 blueberry pancakes i have you can't get past it everything in your day is defined by blueberry

02:14:59.760 pancakes well because you're longing for the yeah you're hungry all day you feel shitty you're

02:15:04.880 lethargic like just don't eat till noon and everything is better but i grew up in a blueberry

02:15:10.200 pancake world like a hundred percent blueberry pancakes and a cigarette and that's not a good

02:15:16.140 way to start the day and i feel like social media are even worse just do the cigarette don't do the

02:15:21.040 pancakes that is i can't say this on that is still a great way to start the day i don't care what

02:15:27.760 anybody says it's just a fact yeah but i whatever sorry just totally kidding the the uh yeah starting

02:15:35.040 the day by looking at your phone is so horrifically bad i do it all the time actually i do i shouldn't

02:15:44.760 that's like the one thing you can't just don't do that that's easy just like because you use it as

02:15:49.480 your alarm right yeah my phone yeah of course everybody does i do too we don't allow phone usage in the

02:15:55.400 except for the alarm that's like ironclad rule just get up get a cup of coffee get your face in

02:16:01.320 a bible or just stare out the window kiss your dogs anything but that i i totally agree i just in fact

02:16:09.280 just this morning i woke up first thing i did is i checked my phone and i went on x the first and it

02:16:17.380 was just in my feed it just happened like the first thing i read i just opened my eyes to 30 seconds

02:16:21.840 the first thing i read was like in my feed something popped up and it was like matt walsh is a coward

02:16:27.680 i'm starting my day with that like the first thing that enters my eyeballs what are you doing i don't

02:16:35.640 know and then i put my phone i'm like why did i do that why did a hotel room though right a hotel room

02:16:40.880 because there's no chick there that that's that's why it's so important to be married that is yeah

02:16:46.400 that's true also right but and there's no kids like totally yeah

02:16:51.360 matt walsh um some of us probably not a huge group but some of us just kidding really appreciate

02:16:58.980 what you're doing and your uh clear thinking and your self-control um and especially your summation

02:17:07.160 of what actually matters so thank you very much appreciate it thank you

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02:17:30.980 gold survives the same americans who think they're protecting themselves with gold are the ones getting

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02:17:39.300 dollars to promote gold companies how do they get the money to spend that much on marketing because

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The Tucker Carlson Show - December 12, 2025

Matt Walsh Responds to Demands to Disavow His Allies, and How to Resolve the Right-Wing Civil War

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