The Tucker Carlson Show - Megyn Kelly on Venezuela, Ben Shapiro’s Treachery, and Mark Levin’s Mental Illness

00:00:01.000 What happened a few days ago in Venezuela is not just a big surprise to people who are watching it.

00:00:07.380 It's not just a kind of exciting foreign policy story.

00:00:10.940 It is the effectively announcement by the U.S. government that our system is changing,

00:00:16.900 that we are now explicitly an empire.

00:00:21.360 We're an empire.

00:00:23.400 So, of course, the argument has been made, and probably there's some truth to it.

00:00:27.700 The United States has been an empire for a long time, for at least the last 80 years,

00:00:31.500 since 1945 when we emerged victorious from World War II,

00:00:34.900 or maybe even 1918 when the British Empire effectively ended,

00:00:39.300 maybe even 1898 when we got Puerto Rico,

00:00:43.820 and then a few years later Cuba from the Spanish Empire.

00:00:46.840 So you could argue that the United States, like all big prosperous countries,

00:00:51.420 inevitably became an empire.

00:00:53.600 But the difference between the last 120 years and earlier this week

00:01:01.180 is that we never before admitted it, and now we are.

00:01:05.480 So every time we've gone into foreign countries in Latin America,

00:01:08.860 but not just Latin America, really around the world,

00:01:11.620 there has been a pretext for that,

00:01:14.840 usually about human rights or democracy.

00:01:17.680 We're not going to put up with this or that government treating its people this way,

00:01:21.060 and we have to go in to stop the tyranny,

00:01:24.020 because we are a force for openness and freedom.

00:01:28.820 And there's been some truth in that, of course.

00:01:31.440 But behind that has been the calculation behind every big foreign policy move

00:01:36.960 made by every big country.

00:01:38.280 How is this good for us?

00:01:39.480 Whether it's propping up the dollar or getting access to resources,

00:01:43.060 there's always another reason that we're doing it,

00:01:46.140 and people who are paying close attention know that, of course.

00:01:49.060 One of the reasons that American troops have been clustered around the Middle East

00:01:52.000 for as long as they have been is not just the Israeli lobby.

00:01:55.040 It's because there's an awful lot of energy in the Middle East, oil and gas,

00:01:58.820 and that's important to our country.

00:02:00.780 So, of course, we have a stake in making sure it can be extracted

00:02:03.300 and moved around the world, obviously.

00:02:05.980 But what makes what happened in Venezuela,

00:02:08.080 taking the head of state out of the presidential palace with Delta Force

00:02:10.900 and bringing him to New York and putting him on trial,

00:02:12.680 what makes that so very different from, say,

00:02:15.180 I don't know, pick one, killing Mossadegh in 1953 in Iran or whatever,

00:02:19.720 is that the U.S. government, the President of the United States,

00:02:21.820 basically just said we're doing this because of the resources.

00:02:26.660 Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserve in the world.

00:02:30.660 It's in our hemisphere.

00:02:31.640 It's going to China.

00:02:32.500 And how about no?

00:02:34.260 This is our hemisphere.

00:02:35.500 It's going to go to us.

00:02:36.960 He just said it out loud.

00:02:39.260 And there's something kind of thrilling about that.

00:02:41.200 There's something thrilling about the honesty there.

00:02:43.140 There's no fakery.

00:02:45.020 No, we're the U.S.

00:02:46.580 We're not going to put up with that.

00:02:48.140 This is our interest and we're going to protect it.

00:02:50.940 That's what the president said.

00:02:53.240 And for the first time in a long time,

00:02:55.080 there was pretty strong support from the right,

00:02:58.260 from Trump voters,

00:02:59.680 for foreign policy adventurism.

00:03:03.620 Keep in mind, a lot of them voted for the president

00:03:05.100 on the basis of his pledge to not start new wars.

00:03:08.240 Well, here is effectively a new conflict

00:03:09.840 and they're supporting it.

00:03:10.620 Why?

00:03:12.140 Because the president justified it

00:03:14.380 in terms of our national interest.

00:03:17.260 This is good for us.

00:03:18.780 We're not upholding international law.

00:03:20.840 We're doing it because we want the oil.

00:03:23.360 And again, there's something bracing and refreshing

00:03:26.280 about someone finally telling the truth

00:03:28.500 about why we're doing what we're doing.

00:03:31.020 And the president absolutely told the truth.

00:03:33.820 And that's great.

00:03:34.760 And you saw an uptick in national pride.

00:03:38.620 Understandably, the U.S. military

00:03:39.900 is actually capable of more than DEI.

00:03:42.380 We can do complicated things.

00:03:43.740 And that is something to be proud of.

00:03:45.360 The U.S. government is finally acting

00:03:46.740 in the interest of the United States,

00:03:47.780 or says it is.

00:03:48.560 And that's a massive improvement

00:03:50.040 over yet another lecture about a hollow theory.

00:03:55.020 But there are pitfalls, potentially.

00:03:57.000 And it's worth also considering those

00:03:59.020 because this is a new era.

00:04:02.000 As has been noted, the United States

00:04:04.580 has moved into the imperial phase of empire,

00:04:09.060 leaving the republic, shifting to empire.

00:04:13.060 And that's a pretty familiar life cycle

00:04:15.060 for civilizations.

00:04:16.360 And so we sort of roughly know what will happen.

00:04:19.620 The first thing that's going to happen

00:04:20.820 is that the energy and the power will vest

00:04:23.140 in the executive and not the legislative branch.

00:04:24.960 Congress will inevitably wither.

00:04:26.520 It already is.

00:04:27.260 They were not consulted before we took out

00:04:30.380 the president of Venezuela.

00:04:31.500 They had no role in this whatsoever.

00:04:33.420 They have a constitutional authority here

00:04:35.380 that was ignored, as it has been many times in the past.

00:04:39.080 When was the last time Congress did something of note?

00:04:42.180 It's been a long time.

00:04:43.840 And that, if you take three steps back,

00:04:46.000 is probably not surprising.

00:04:48.120 That's the way these things go.

00:04:50.140 The power moves to the executive,

00:04:53.380 to Caesar, or the president,

00:04:54.860 or whatever you call him,

00:04:55.660 to the national leader.

00:04:56.660 And that trend will accelerate over time

00:05:00.940 for certain, not decelerate.

00:05:02.980 And that has all kinds of implications,

00:05:04.280 one of which is national elections are now everything.

00:05:07.860 It's always mattered who the president is.

00:05:09.860 Now it matters more than ever

00:05:11.380 because the president has the ability

00:05:13.780 to act unilaterally in the way we just saw.

00:05:16.620 And that's a lesson that every aspiring president

00:05:19.580 will internalize.

00:05:20.740 And so the next presidential election,

00:05:23.300 2028, means much more than any presidential election

00:05:27.360 in our history

00:05:28.040 because the power has expanded

00:05:30.400 so dramatically in the office.

00:05:32.540 And once expanded,

00:05:33.600 it never contracts voluntarily.

00:05:36.060 So that's the first implication.

00:05:37.900 The second implication

00:05:38.840 is that now that we're telling the truth

00:05:41.740 about why nations do what they do,

00:05:43.880 a lot of the arguments that we have relied upon,

00:05:46.880 in fact, that have been the basis

00:05:47.780 of a lot of our foreign policy positions,

00:05:49.320 are now moot.

00:05:51.460 So once you say out loud,

00:05:53.240 we're grabbing Venezuela

00:05:54.120 because we're annoyed they're selling

00:05:55.880 what is our oil to the Chinese, our rival,

00:05:58.400 once you just say that out loud,

00:05:59.840 and again, it's good to be honest,

00:06:03.160 but once you are honest,

00:06:05.580 it's kind of hard to make the case that,

00:06:07.280 well, for example,

00:06:09.020 Russia doesn't have an interest

00:06:10.700 in what happens in Eastern Ukraine.

00:06:11.960 It's hard to scold Putin

00:06:15.040 for moving into Ukraine.

00:06:16.900 Here's a great power threatened on its border

00:06:20.140 and it takes action to protect itself.

00:06:22.980 And we've been calling that

00:06:23.780 an unprovoked invasion.

00:06:25.840 The Biden administration called it that.

00:06:26.960 The State Department still calls it that.

00:06:28.500 And our policy is based on the idea

00:06:30.020 that this is illegitimate.

00:06:31.520 And that's why we've been waging

00:06:32.440 a proxy war against Russia for four years.

00:06:35.760 You can't really make that argument anymore.

00:06:38.140 How is it wrong for a great power like Russia

00:06:41.300 to protect itself?

00:06:43.120 Well, under the rules that we're now operating under,

00:06:45.180 it's not wrong.

00:06:45.980 You can say, I don't prefer it,

00:06:47.720 but you can't point to some abstract principle

00:06:50.760 and say it's absolutely wrong.

00:06:53.880 Why would it be wrong for China to retake Taiwan?

00:06:57.380 The U.S. government already acknowledges

00:06:59.280 that Taiwan is part of China.

00:07:00.720 We have a so-called one China policy.

00:07:02.960 And yet simultaneously,

00:07:03.580 we suggest we would defend Taiwan

00:07:05.440 against Chinese aggression.

00:07:06.500 But wait a second.

00:07:08.460 Taiwan is Han Chinese.

00:07:10.420 Same people, same language.

00:07:12.480 Tons of cultural similarities.

00:07:14.000 We want the microchips in Taiwan.

00:07:16.180 We hope it doesn't happen

00:07:17.480 because it would give China greater leverage

00:07:19.040 over the United States.

00:07:20.160 But as a matter of principle,

00:07:21.320 can you really say it's wrong

00:07:23.300 for China to reunify with Taiwan?

00:07:25.480 No, you can't say that anymore.

00:07:27.480 All you can say is we will try to prevent it

00:07:30.440 if we can,

00:07:31.920 but we can't appeal to any higher authority.

00:07:34.640 Now, some will say that higher authority was made up.

00:07:37.380 Well, it certainly was made up,

00:07:39.060 but that principle was the basis

00:07:42.320 of the entire fabled post-war order.

00:07:44.720 What was the post-war order?

00:07:46.160 It was based on one idea.

00:07:47.560 It is wrong for bigger countries

00:07:49.400 to swallow up smaller countries

00:07:51.020 just because they want to.

00:07:51.960 That's why we declared war against Germany

00:07:53.400 when they went into Poland.

00:07:55.200 But weirdly, we did not declare war

00:07:56.680 against the Soviet Union

00:07:57.460 when they did the same thing the same day.

00:07:59.620 But whatever, the point is,

00:08:01.680 big countries are not allowed to act

00:08:03.580 in a predatory way towards smaller countries

00:08:05.960 because that's wrong.

00:08:08.660 And there's always been, as noted,

00:08:10.720 tons of fakery around that, of course.

00:08:13.320 Tons of pretending and pretense.

00:08:14.900 We're all wearing a veil

00:08:15.740 to hide our true motives.

00:08:18.400 But that has still been the basis

00:08:21.400 of the way countries deal with each other.

00:08:24.680 And that is no longer the case

00:08:26.480 as of this week

00:08:27.760 because the world's great superpower,

00:08:30.860 our oldest superpower, the United States,

00:08:33.080 just acted purely in its own interest

00:08:35.040 and said so out loud.

00:08:37.300 So where does that leave

00:08:38.360 all these international bodies?

00:08:40.520 The UN, most famously.

00:08:42.640 But all of them.

00:08:44.320 The World Health Organization.

00:08:45.600 How about NATO?

00:08:48.240 Do they have any authority at all?

00:08:49.880 Is there a reason to have them?

00:08:51.520 Once we've stopped pretending?

00:08:53.180 Probably not.

00:08:53.960 They may not know that yet.

00:08:55.120 And of course, they're all very well funded

00:08:56.320 and we'll live on into the future

00:08:58.820 to some extent.

00:09:00.820 But basically, they're dead, been walking.

00:09:02.960 They're over.

00:09:03.680 That's all over.

00:09:05.120 We now live in a world

00:09:06.920 where countries will act

00:09:09.380 in their own interest without apology

00:09:11.100 to the extent they are capable of doing so

00:09:13.700 through force or guile,

00:09:16.540 through economic power or military power

00:09:18.960 or trickery.

00:09:21.140 But nobody's going to have to pretend

00:09:23.020 that we're doing this

00:09:23.940 because we're upholding the rights of man.

00:09:26.320 So, again, that's great.

00:09:30.560 A lot of people are excited about it.

00:09:31.780 I'm not going to argue against it

00:09:32.880 because it's already happened.

00:09:34.640 This is done.

00:09:35.740 This is the new world that we live in

00:09:37.680 for good or for bad.

00:09:39.540 So it is a waste of time and breath

00:09:41.860 to complain about it.

00:09:43.320 Far better, far more constructive

00:09:45.080 to think through

00:09:45.680 what does this mean going forward?

00:09:47.460 What implications does this have for us?

00:09:49.120 And what are the potential traps

00:09:50.580 in an arrangement like this,

00:09:52.280 one that we've never lived in before?

00:09:54.480 And the first is very obvious.

00:09:56.040 And that's getting over your skis.

00:09:57.640 That's getting stoned on hubris,

00:09:59.920 which is always the pitfall for any man

00:10:02.640 really in life, powerful or not.

00:10:05.540 Convincing yourself that you have more power

00:10:07.880 than you actually have

00:10:09.480 is the most basic trap in life.

00:10:12.500 That's how you wind up hurting yourself

00:10:14.460 because you overextend.

00:10:15.760 And the problem with military success

00:10:18.080 is it does inspire that.

00:10:19.640 This is not true just of the current president,

00:10:22.500 but it's true of every president.

00:10:24.080 And all of a sudden,

00:10:24.900 you can wind up in much deeper waters

00:10:26.980 than expected.

00:10:28.220 And of course, in our government,

00:10:30.280 there's an entire constellation

00:10:31.580 of foreign lobbies around any president

00:10:34.100 telling him,

00:10:35.460 do this, do that on behalf of other countries,

00:10:37.480 trying to leverage the enormous power

00:10:40.280 of the United States for their own ends.

00:10:42.060 And so you could very easily imagine soon

00:10:45.980 the U.S. government

00:10:47.920 doing what it did in Venezuela

00:10:49.380 in other countries.

00:10:50.560 And maybe in some it will work,

00:10:52.020 maybe in some it won't work.

00:10:53.280 But there are a couple of them

00:10:54.380 where if it didn't work,

00:10:55.380 you could get in very, very serious trouble.

00:10:58.200 In fact, you could wind up in nuclear war.

00:11:01.000 So it's worth remembering

00:11:02.520 that even a great power

00:11:04.720 is limited in its powers.

00:11:07.480 Can't do everything.

00:11:08.780 And things can go wrong very quickly

00:11:11.500 in ways that you don't anticipate.

00:11:13.780 And that's why, above all,

00:11:15.680 an empire needs serious men to run it.

00:11:20.180 It needs people who understand the stakes,

00:11:22.040 who understand the burden

00:11:23.220 that they are carrying,

00:11:24.980 which is the future of the world,

00:11:27.200 certainly the future of their own people,

00:11:29.140 and who make wise decisions

00:11:31.420 with the national interest

00:11:34.020 ever present in mind.

00:11:35.480 What you don't want are flighty,

00:11:38.400 emotionally incontinent, silly people

00:11:40.620 on the payroll of foreign nations

00:11:43.180 making the decisions in an empire.

00:11:46.160 Because that's how you get in trouble.

00:11:48.180 People like, just throwing this out there,

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00:11:50.760 Here he is in the aftermath of Venezuela.

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00:11:57.360 We stand for you taking back your country

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00:12:05.760 We pray for you.

00:12:06.960 We support you.

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00:15:33.660 you need serious,

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00:15:37.460 You do not need harpies

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00:15:48.380 bloodthirsty buffoons,

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00:15:52.020 into a new conflict.

00:15:54.980 You don't need people like Mark Levin

00:15:56.900 who told the president,

00:15:57.840 you said,

00:15:58.200 bomb Qatar!

00:15:59.840 Bomb Qatar?

00:16:01.760 Why would you do that?

00:16:03.500 Our strongest ally in the region,

00:16:06.080 let's bomb them?

00:16:08.160 And to the president's great credit,

00:16:10.180 to Donald Trump's great credit,

00:16:11.560 he has,

00:16:12.660 in the last several days,

00:16:14.060 resisted a lot of that.

00:16:16.100 And we know that

00:16:17.240 by how

00:16:18.520 they handled the exit

00:16:21.280 of Maduro in Venezuela.

00:16:23.560 So there are a lot of ways

00:16:24.380 to do this.

00:16:25.520 The neocons had their

00:16:26.620 candidate ready to go.

00:16:28.600 They awarded her

00:16:29.220 the Nobel Prize recently,

00:16:30.580 the abortion lady,

00:16:31.160 the gay marriage lady,

00:16:33.000 the Klaus Schwab acolyte

00:16:34.640 who's going to move

00:16:35.600 the embassy to Jerusalem

00:16:36.960 or something.

00:16:38.480 They were all set

00:16:39.700 to install this lady Machado

00:16:41.400 in the presidency

00:16:42.980 in Venezuela

00:16:44.220 and Donald Trump

00:16:45.680 shut it down.

00:16:46.580 In fact,

00:16:46.760 he mocked her

00:16:47.600 at his first press conference

00:16:49.020 announcing

00:16:49.540 the capture of Maduro.

00:16:51.520 that is a

00:16:53.600 good sign.

00:16:56.080 That is the best

00:16:57.100 possible sign

00:16:58.200 that someone

00:16:59.520 has thought this

00:17:00.160 through in a very

00:17:00.660 serious way.

00:17:01.340 And I have to say

00:17:02.200 it looks like

00:17:03.240 Marco Rubio

00:17:03.960 and J.D. Vance

00:17:04.720 played a huge role

00:17:05.800 in that.

00:17:06.260 And a lot of people

00:17:06.760 mock Marco Rubio

00:17:07.660 for being a neocon

00:17:09.000 which he may or may not be.

00:17:10.840 But

00:17:11.300 my impression

00:17:13.060 was that

00:17:13.920 his influence

00:17:16.120 on this operation

00:17:17.380 was real

00:17:18.860 and that

00:17:20.500 his preference

00:17:21.020 was not to

00:17:21.920 install

00:17:22.540 the Nobel Prize lady

00:17:24.360 but instead

00:17:26.060 to continue

00:17:26.640 continuity of government.

00:17:27.620 So what does that mean?

00:17:28.380 Well, it's an imperfect solution.

00:17:29.700 It means taking

00:17:30.540 Maduro's number two

00:17:31.980 and letting her

00:17:32.620 continue to run the country.

00:17:33.800 Now, why would you do that

00:17:34.720 if you were operating

00:17:35.440 under the previous

00:17:36.700 framework

00:17:37.880 which was basically

00:17:38.580 an emotional framework?

00:17:39.540 Well, we need to bring

00:17:40.220 human rights to Venezuela.

00:17:41.500 We can't depose the dictator

00:17:43.020 and put him on trial

00:17:43.860 in New York

00:17:44.460 and then put his number two

00:17:45.840 in charge of the country.

00:17:46.840 That'd be bad.

00:17:48.860 We need to kill Saddam

00:17:50.240 and then

00:17:51.340 disband the Iraqi army.

00:17:54.840 So someone has learned

00:17:56.060 a lesson from that

00:17:56.920 and let's hope

00:17:57.880 no one ever forgets

00:17:58.640 the lesson

00:17:59.160 which is that

00:18:00.240 tyranny is bad

00:18:01.360 chaos is worse.

00:18:04.040 And Donald Trump

00:18:04.540 clearly learned that lesson

00:18:05.700 because

00:18:06.340 he arrived at

00:18:07.860 an imperfect

00:18:08.560 but

00:18:09.560 wise

00:18:10.380 solution.

00:18:11.780 Let's

00:18:12.300 keep

00:18:12.840 people in charge

00:18:14.140 who can actually

00:18:14.900 keep the country together.

00:18:16.260 Now, we'll see if

00:18:16.820 Delcey Rodriguez

00:18:17.780 can actually do that.

00:18:19.960 We don't know yet

00:18:21.160 but it's the intent

00:18:23.040 of the administration

00:18:23.780 to do that

00:18:24.780 to not turn

00:18:25.840 Venezuela

00:18:26.360 into

00:18:27.420 a Libya

00:18:29.340 or an Iraq

00:18:30.280 in our hemisphere

00:18:31.200 with the ensuing

00:18:31.940 migrant crisis

00:18:32.900 and just the disaster

00:18:34.540 the complete loss

00:18:35.440 of the oil fields

00:18:36.220 the insurgency

00:18:37.620 the civil war

00:18:38.680 massive death toll.

00:18:41.520 I mean, just

00:18:41.760 the pure disaster

00:18:43.020 that

00:18:43.580 U.S. foreign

00:18:44.660 policy

00:18:45.040 is created

00:18:45.460 again and again

00:18:46.560 and again

00:18:47.040 with regime change

00:18:47.960 that

00:18:49.320 is not

00:18:50.380 necessarily

00:18:52.020 going to happen

00:18:52.780 in Venezuela

00:18:53.900 and that's a

00:18:54.680 massive improvement

00:18:55.740 and we should be

00:18:56.420 grateful for that.

00:18:57.120 Whatever you think

00:18:57.980 of grabbing Maduro

00:18:58.700 that is a really

00:18:59.620 good thing

00:19:00.100 and a really

00:19:00.580 good sign

00:19:01.280 because it

00:19:02.680 suggests

00:19:03.260 that the

00:19:04.240 administration

00:19:04.920 understands

00:19:06.120 that resource

00:19:07.820 extraction

00:19:08.420 national interest

00:19:09.260 is a huge part

00:19:10.060 of running an empire

00:19:10.840 but it's not

00:19:11.360 the only part

00:19:12.340 the main part

00:19:13.840 is stability

00:19:14.840 that's the most

00:19:16.320 important part

00:19:17.080 from stability

00:19:17.960 flows

00:19:18.480 prosperity

00:19:19.560 and every other

00:19:20.500 good thing

00:19:21.000 decency

00:19:21.580 nothing good

00:19:23.180 can grow

00:19:24.080 in chaos

00:19:24.640 and they seem

00:19:26.840 to understand

00:19:27.480 at the height

00:19:28.060 of the Roman Empire

00:19:29.000 the most famous

00:19:29.600 empire in history

00:19:30.960 there were very

00:19:32.020 few wars

00:19:32.460 it was called

00:19:33.020 Pax Romana

00:19:33.920 the Roman peace

00:19:35.200 the empire

00:19:36.900 was powerful

00:19:37.700 enough

00:19:38.240 to establish

00:19:39.320 peace

00:19:40.180 to establish

00:19:41.520 order

00:19:42.020 and tranquility

00:19:43.140 and

00:19:44.560 you know

00:19:45.660 almost

00:19:46.180 2,000 years

00:19:46.980 later

00:19:47.220 we're still

00:19:47.520 talking about

00:19:48.040 it

00:19:48.240 because

00:19:48.580 it was

00:19:49.000 a rare

00:19:49.420 and beautiful

00:19:49.980 thing

00:19:50.320 so ultimately

00:19:51.360 an empire

00:19:52.320 exists

00:19:53.460 its first job

00:19:55.160 is to preserve

00:19:56.120 stability

00:19:57.040 in the world

00:19:57.980 or the portion

00:19:58.480 of the world

00:19:58.840 over which it

00:19:59.320 rules

00:19:59.540 and the Trump

00:20:00.680 administration

00:20:01.040 seems to

00:20:02.240 understand that

00:20:03.020 and seems to

00:20:03.460 be moving

00:20:03.720 in that direction

00:20:04.320 and if so

00:20:05.060 that's a huge

00:20:05.920 win

00:20:06.140 so

00:20:07.400 get rid

00:20:08.860 of the

00:20:09.320 dumb

00:20:09.720 shrill

00:20:10.360 harpies

00:20:11.080 don't

00:20:11.620 let them

00:20:11.820 have any

00:20:12.120 influence

00:20:12.480 we can't

00:20:13.000 bomb

00:20:13.280 Qatar

00:20:13.840 we're not

00:20:14.840 going to

00:20:15.000 threaten to

00:20:15.340 murder the

00:20:15.900 Ayatollah

00:20:16.480 on Fox News

00:20:17.360 that's not

00:20:18.260 how an empire

00:20:18.980 behaves

00:20:19.640 we're going to

00:20:21.060 make calculated

00:20:22.220 wise decisions

00:20:23.300 about what's

00:20:23.800 good for us

00:20:24.580 and what's

00:20:24.960 good for the

00:20:25.480 part of the

00:20:25.840 world that we

00:20:26.360 rule over

00:20:27.060 the second

00:20:28.780 thing you do

00:20:29.300 once you

00:20:29.760 announce that

00:20:30.660 you're an

00:20:30.900 empire

00:20:31.260 is think

00:20:31.840 through

00:20:32.160 where this

00:20:32.700 is going

00:20:33.000 to go

00:20:33.660 in the next

00:20:35.040 several years

00:20:35.620 like what does

00:20:36.180 the world look

00:20:36.680 like 5-10

00:20:37.500 years from

00:20:37.940 now

00:20:38.080 well today

00:20:38.720 about an

00:20:39.140 hour and a

00:20:39.440 half ago

00:20:39.900 the president

00:20:40.380 announced

00:20:40.860 that he is

00:20:42.060 hiking the

00:20:43.520 pentagon budget

00:20:44.400 from 1 trillion

00:20:45.480 to 1.5 trillion

00:20:47.100 just announced

00:20:47.740 that

00:20:48.020 why

00:20:49.840 well it's

00:20:51.380 hard to know

00:20:52.100 without asking

00:20:52.920 him he'll

00:20:53.460 explain but

00:20:54.160 big picture

00:20:54.880 obviously

00:20:55.640 that's the

00:20:56.520 kind of budget

00:20:57.320 that a country

00:20:58.240 that anticipates

00:20:59.140 a global or

00:21:00.840 regional war

00:21:01.700 has for its

00:21:03.080 military

00:21:03.480 there's no other

00:21:04.260 reason to do

00:21:04.880 that that's not

00:21:05.260 a peacekeeping

00:21:05.900 budget that's

00:21:06.460 a war budget

00:21:07.180 a big war

00:21:07.820 budget

00:21:08.220 so I think

00:21:09.600 it's fair to

00:21:10.060 expect and

00:21:10.600 all the signs

00:21:11.100 suggest that

00:21:11.700 we're going to

00:21:12.000 have a big

00:21:12.500 war soon

00:21:13.520 a big war

00:21:15.200 soon

00:21:15.480 I think

00:21:16.120 everyone expects

00:21:18.140 that to happen

00:21:18.620 hope it doesn't

00:21:19.200 happen but

00:21:20.280 obviously we're

00:21:20.720 moving in that

00:21:21.300 direction toward

00:21:21.860 a world war

00:21:22.420 sorry

00:21:23.020 so how do

00:21:25.520 you position

00:21:25.860 yourself for

00:21:26.300 that

00:21:26.520 well you look

00:21:27.640 at a map

00:21:28.160 and you ask

00:21:29.420 the most basic

00:21:30.640 questions

00:21:31.160 what areas do

00:21:32.520 I want to

00:21:32.800 control

00:21:33.200 where are the

00:21:33.820 trade routes

00:21:34.340 who's got

00:21:35.340 the resources

00:21:36.020 who do I

00:21:37.920 share a

00:21:38.880 language with

00:21:39.500 who do I

00:21:39.820 share a

00:21:40.060 common history

00:21:40.560 with who do

00:21:41.760 I share a

00:21:43.100 civilization with

00:21:44.040 and you proceed

00:21:45.960 on that basis

00:21:46.600 and you try and

00:21:47.240 shore up your

00:21:48.000 team the allies

00:21:49.280 against the

00:21:50.100 other team the

00:21:50.700 axis or whatever

00:21:51.740 but you think

00:21:54.220 soberly about how

00:21:56.000 the world is

00:21:56.820 going to cleave

00:21:58.180 once this begins

00:21:59.900 and if you

00:22:00.500 were to do

00:22:01.080 that for

00:22:01.720 about I

00:22:02.340 don't know

00:22:02.620 25 or 30

00:22:03.660 seconds you

00:22:04.640 would arrive at

00:22:05.160 the most obvious

00:22:05.720 conclusion of all

00:22:06.580 which is the

00:22:07.680 United States

00:22:08.280 has to have

00:22:09.500 a relationship

00:22:11.140 with Russia in

00:22:12.020 order to survive

00:22:12.660 anything like that

00:22:13.700 and the reason

00:22:14.300 is really simple

00:22:15.120 scale and

00:22:16.300 resources Russia

00:22:17.160 is the largest

00:22:17.940 country in the

00:22:18.940 world it has

00:22:20.420 the most resources

00:22:21.660 in the world

00:22:22.960 that means energy

00:22:23.780 oil and gas

00:22:24.560 means all kinds

00:22:25.640 of minerals it

00:22:26.080 means gold

00:22:26.680 and in a world

00:22:28.760 where the US

00:22:29.240 dollar is probably

00:22:30.640 not going to be

00:22:31.860 as powerful as it

00:22:33.520 once was already

00:22:34.800 declining in value

00:22:36.340 massive incentive

00:22:37.340 for other countries

00:22:38.080 to get off the

00:22:38.720 dollar to trade

00:22:39.420 in energy in

00:22:40.760 other currencies

00:22:41.320 you need to think

00:22:43.180 about gold and

00:22:45.860 people are thinking

00:22:46.500 about gold and by

00:22:47.140 the way if you are

00:22:48.040 wondering whether

00:22:48.480 volatility is coming

00:22:49.680 up look at silver

00:22:50.220 prices get gold

00:22:50.880 prices over the last

00:22:51.620 year investors

00:22:53.000 understand this is a

00:22:54.380 new time you need

00:22:56.560 to be aligned

00:22:57.660 with Russia and

00:22:58.440 the number one

00:22:58.880 thing you can't

00:22:59.640 do Donald Trump

00:23:00.220 has said this many

00:23:00.940 times over the

00:23:01.620 years is allow

00:23:02.500 Russia and China

00:23:03.660 to become a block

00:23:04.500 because if you do

00:23:05.720 then you are facing

00:23:06.540 off against the

00:23:07.920 majority of the

00:23:08.360 world's population

00:23:09.000 the biggest population

00:23:09.840 block in the world

00:23:10.540 the biggest land mass

00:23:11.980 in the world and

00:23:13.500 the biggest economy

00:23:14.140 in the world if you

00:23:15.060 combine those two

00:23:15.800 so you can't do

00:23:17.060 that and pretty

00:23:19.700 clear that the last

00:23:20.500 administration

00:23:21.180 intentionally drove

00:23:23.720 Russia into an

00:23:25.400 alliance with China

00:23:26.200 which they now

00:23:26.700 have just to be

00:23:28.860 really clear just

00:23:29.360 to bottom line it

00:23:30.080 if Donald Trump

00:23:30.880 wants to commit

00:23:32.540 one act as

00:23:33.760 president that will

00:23:34.460 secure him a place

00:23:35.840 in history forever

00:23:37.320 as a hero it

00:23:40.560 would be to bring

00:23:41.480 Russia back into

00:23:42.900 alliance with the

00:23:44.080 United States

00:23:44.820 oh Russia's bad

00:23:46.120 right kind of hard

00:23:47.420 to say that after

00:23:47.960 Venezuela and it's

00:23:49.660 tiresome anyway

00:23:50.420 no Russia is not

00:23:53.000 bad or good

00:23:54.280 Russia is essential

00:23:56.060 to the United

00:23:56.920 States we cannot

00:23:58.600 survive a global

00:24:00.400 conflict if Russia

00:24:02.340 and China are

00:24:03.540 aligned against

00:24:04.360 us period and it

00:24:07.640 couldn't be more

00:24:09.200 simple and it

00:24:10.020 shouldn't be very

00:24:11.000 hard at this point

00:24:12.460 to make that deal

00:24:16.180 there's no reason

00:24:18.180 to pay any attention

00:24:19.780 to the unelected

00:24:21.080 leader of Ukraine

00:24:22.120 now the obstacle

00:24:24.040 in the way is not

00:24:25.240 geostrategic there

00:24:26.600 is no argument for

00:24:28.180 continuing a proxy

00:24:29.620 war which is what it

00:24:30.500 is United States

00:24:31.800 versus Russia we've

00:24:32.600 been at war for

00:24:33.080 four years all of us

00:24:34.180 are pretending we're

00:24:34.780 not we are

00:24:35.400 there's no reason to

00:24:38.060 continue that on the

00:24:39.040 basis of America's

00:24:39.900 national interest that

00:24:40.540 is not an interest and

00:24:41.400 it never has been in

00:24:42.360 our interest and by

00:24:43.140 the way Russia is a

00:24:44.240 Christian country a

00:24:45.920 remarkable country a

00:24:46.740 very serious country

00:24:47.740 that we have a lot

00:24:49.960 in common with

00:24:50.620 whether you like it

00:24:51.420 or not oh he's bad

00:24:53.280 okay stop we need

00:24:56.180 Russia and the only

00:24:57.880 reason we are not an

00:24:58.680 alliance with Russia is

00:24:59.800 because the foreign

00:25:00.640 public establishment in

00:25:01.720 the United States the

00:25:02.400 weapons manufacturers

00:25:03.240 and particularly the

00:25:04.340 neocons believe that

00:25:06.060 they somehow own

00:25:06.680 Russia or want to

00:25:07.420 retake Russia or

00:25:08.380 something and Putin is

00:25:09.700 in the way he kicked

00:25:10.460 out the oligarchs that

00:25:12.800 was gravely offensive to

00:25:15.800 the American finance

00:25:16.840 establishment and to

00:25:17.960 the American foreign

00:25:18.700 policy establishment

00:25:19.760 and acted on his own

00:25:21.620 country's behalf whatever

00:25:22.940 none of that even

00:25:23.680 matters at this point

00:25:24.500 ignore these people he

00:25:25.980 has to be our enemy no

00:25:27.120 if Putin is our enemy

00:25:28.980 if Russia is our enemy

00:25:30.500 we cannot survive a

00:25:31.920 global conflict sorry

00:25:33.560 and if you think we

00:25:34.980 can tell us how with

00:25:36.960 the help of NATO which

00:25:38.320 by the way is now done

00:25:39.520 NATO is done once the

00:25:42.340 United States takes

00:25:43.480 Greenland which is owned

00:25:45.340 by a fellow NATO

00:25:46.400 member what will be the

00:25:48.600 rationale for keeping

00:25:49.520 NATO the whole illusion

00:25:51.540 has shattered in the

00:25:53.100 past four days none of

00:25:55.500 this is real and now

00:25:56.580 everyone admits it's not

00:25:57.660 real so it's time to

00:25:58.460 start thinking about the

00:26:00.340 next step the third

00:26:01.520 thing to remember is

00:26:03.060 that a functioning

00:26:04.100 empire benefits from

00:26:07.160 the empire Rome at its

00:26:10.140 height was a gleaming

00:26:11.740 clean prosperous city Rome

00:26:14.720 benefit in the end of

00:26:16.000 course it was destroyed

00:26:16.760 by its empire it was

00:26:18.240 invaded by the people it

00:26:20.600 had subdued and that is

00:26:22.120 ultimately the fate of all

00:26:22.980 empires all of them

00:26:23.920 London is filled with

00:26:25.560 former colonial subjects

00:26:26.520 that's what that is and

00:26:28.140 that will happen to every

00:26:28.980 empire but in the meantime

00:26:31.000 the point is to help the

00:26:34.440 seat of empire and so if

00:26:37.640 you can't fix Baltimore you

00:26:40.160 don't really have a shot of

00:26:42.480 making Caracas functional

00:26:43.940 and so as you administer

00:26:46.720 this empire you need to

00:26:48.660 remember the point of this

00:26:50.760 is your own country making

00:26:53.940 your own country more

00:26:55.020 prosperous but also stable

00:26:56.620 and cleaner and better for

00:26:58.580 its own citizens it can't

00:26:59.880 just be oh Paul Singer gets

00:27:01.540 rich therefore it's a good

00:27:02.720 thing no no no all Americans

00:27:04.900 not just Paul Singer have to

00:27:06.720 benefit from this and they

00:27:07.760 can and they absolutely can and

00:27:09.060 the president to his great

00:27:10.000 credit has made a huge

00:27:13.500 effort to clean up American

00:27:14.980 cities Washington DC for

00:27:16.220 example people mocked him

00:27:18.000 for sending the National

00:27:18.740 Guard in Washington is

00:27:20.020 safer just a fact he did

00:27:21.420 that the last guy didn't do

00:27:23.260 that Trump did that keep

00:27:25.480 doing that remember an empire

00:27:28.480 should be impressive not just

00:27:31.560 its satellites or its

00:27:32.820 colonies but the but the

00:27:34.960 mother country should be

00:27:36.080 impressive and ours can be it

00:27:38.460 is inherently but the point of

00:27:41.220 this is to help us and the

00:27:44.440 last thing to remember about

00:27:46.020 being an empire is that it can

00:27:48.540 corrupt you and this is the

00:27:51.880 fate ultimately of all empires

00:27:53.760 they are corrupted by the

00:27:55.560 imperial project and they become

00:27:57.320 coarser as Rome grew as its

00:28:01.980 territory grew so did the number

00:28:04.140 people dying in Circus Maximus so

00:28:08.620 that does happen over time but

00:28:10.660 fight back against it you want to

00:28:13.460 retain the fundamental decency of

00:28:16.560 your country even as you expand as

00:28:19.320 you take Greenland and take

00:28:20.420 Venezuela wherever else we're going

00:28:21.800 you need to remember we are decent

00:28:26.660 people and we're going to continue to

00:28:29.240 live as though we are with dignity you

00:28:32.500 are not going to become hardened by the

00:28:36.960 violence that you sometimes commit on

00:28:38.720 other populations and that is really

00:28:40.780 difficult to maintain and you see

00:28:43.920 this even in Washington you saw this

00:28:45.900 in fact five years ago yesterday when

00:28:48.360 Ashley Babbitt was shot in the chest

00:28:49.920 for doing nothing an unarmed woman an

00:28:51.840 Air Force veteran murdered by James

00:28:54.260 Byrd in the Capitol building and

00:28:57.440 nothing happened and the reason nothing

00:29:00.260 happened the reason the guy who shot

00:29:02.080 Ashley Babbitt who already been

00:29:04.220 disciplined for leading a loaded

00:29:05.900 handgun in the men's room so he had a

00:29:07.920 documented record of recklessness

00:29:09.460 there's no reason to kill her she

00:29:11.880 posed no conceivable threat to him

00:29:13.480 but the reason that nothing ever

00:29:15.400 happened is because there were almost

00:29:18.440 no members of Congress who thought it

00:29:20.160 was a big deal now why is that why

00:29:23.260 would members of Congress 535 members

00:29:25.100 of Congress why would are they uniquely

00:29:26.260 uniquely hard-hearted well they are

00:29:29.380 actually and why is that because they

00:29:32.640 spend a huge portion of their day every

00:29:35.520 single day talking and thinking about

00:29:38.640 killing people in other countries and if

00:29:41.500 you watch enough snuff videos of the US

00:29:43.600 military taking out this or that bad guy

00:29:45.580 after a while it inures you after a while

00:29:50.580 it's not such a big deal to kill

00:29:52.120 somebody and you can make a case for

00:29:55.240 that if there are foreigners who

00:29:56.460 threaten you you can never make a case

00:29:59.080 for the US government casually killing

00:30:01.240 Americans all of us should be offended

00:30:03.480 by that every single time and we should

00:30:05.220 push back against it hey whoa whoa I'm

00:30:07.020 not a houthi don't treat me like one I'm

00:30:09.120 not a Venezuelan stop Americans have to

00:30:13.700 remember that the point of this exercise

00:30:16.600 is to secure the homeland and everything

00:30:19.920 good about it and one of the very best

00:30:23.340 things about the United States is the

00:30:25.300 regard that Americans have for human

00:30:27.060 life and for dogs there's a sweetness and

00:30:29.000 a sentimentality to Americans that would

00:30:32.180 be sad as hell if we lost don't allow the

00:30:37.540 killing that takes place overseas to make

00:30:39.980 you think it's okay for the US government to

00:30:42.620 treat you that way but they naturally do

00:30:46.140 and it's one of the reasons and I hate

00:30:49.660 even to say this but I've just noticed

00:30:51.040 it from living around it for so long that

00:30:54.600 some of the most authoritarian members of

00:30:56.500 Congress almost all of them actually are

00:31:00.420 career military officers not enlisted

00:31:02.720 they're all officers but they're career

00:31:05.220 officers who spent an awful lot of time

00:31:08.160 thinking about how to kill America's

00:31:10.880 enemies or rivals not even attacking that

00:31:13.540 that was their job but that attitude

00:31:16.120 seamlessly transfers to American citizens

00:31:20.300 and our government is never allowed to

00:31:24.360 have that attitude toward us again we're

00:31:27.720 not Houthis we have rights because we're

00:31:30.160 citizens you serve at our pleasure we own

00:31:34.660 this government you may say you own

00:31:37.200 Venezuela okay you don't own me I own you

00:31:43.280 because I'm the citizen and you're the

00:31:45.680 servant that posture is essential and very

00:31:49.480 hard to keep up during the empire face of

00:31:54.180 civilization very very hard because again

00:31:58.000 there are a lot fewer meaningful democratic

00:32:01.200 structures in an empire nobody cares about

00:32:03.900 the Congress anymore it's all about the

00:32:05.600 president that's great when you have a

00:32:06.680 great president and hopefully we always

00:32:08.500 will because once again so much power has

00:32:11.120 been vested in that office that at this

00:32:13.420 point you kind of can't let AOC have it

00:32:15.560 because you can't let any irresponsible

00:32:19.780 person who like hates whites or believes in

00:32:22.960 transgenderism or wants to destroy America

00:32:25.760 people like that cannot be president period

00:32:28.400 anymore because there's so much power now in

00:32:32.680 the presidency that they could do the kind

00:32:36.160 of damage you don't even want to think

00:32:37.320 about but you have to push back against an

00:32:41.860 imperial government treating you like a

00:32:44.060 subject and there is no issue on which

00:32:47.420 this is clearer than free speech which once

00:32:49.820 again is the basis of our country it's not

00:32:52.440 just some line in the bill of rights it's

00:32:54.480 the whole reason the United States is

00:32:56.820 exceptional and that's clearer than it's

00:33:00.860 ever been because the country that gave us the

00:33:03.060 concept of free speech Great Britain puts

00:33:05.520 thousands of people in jail every single

00:33:08.060 year for thought crimes and so it's not like

00:33:11.640 this is a distant they only do it in China

00:33:13.720 or North Korea kind of problem this is

00:33:15.560 happening in the country that gave birth to

00:33:17.280 us Great Britain it could very easily happen

00:33:19.540 here and the only way that it won't is if

00:33:22.900 American citizens draw a line in the sand

00:33:25.720 and say you will have a revolt if you take

00:33:28.160 away my right to say what I think period you

00:33:31.180 will have a revolt on your hands and they

00:33:34.120 should because that is the only remaining

00:33:36.360 power for most American citizens they don't

00:33:38.180 have economic power of course the power of

00:33:39.840 labor is basically gone AI will erode it

00:33:42.340 still further we're going to go on strike

00:33:44.540 who cares you're being replaced by machines

00:33:46.560 shut up they don't have economic power does

00:33:50.480 voting matter you know we can debate that

00:33:52.400 most people kind of doubt that it does so

00:33:55.700 what power do you have left what's the

00:33:57.220 equalizer here there's the guy in charge

00:33:59.140 there's you the subject what makes you

00:34:01.400 both human only one thing that's your

00:34:04.740 inalienable God-given right to say what

00:34:07.180 you really think no matter how kooky your

00:34:09.340 opinion is no matter how offensive it may

00:34:11.320 be to the people in charge you have an

00:34:12.860 absolute right inalienable me can't be

00:34:15.900 taken from you because it wasn't granted

00:34:17.520 to you by any temporal authority you have

00:34:20.100 that if you give that up you are a slave and

00:34:24.080 not surprisingly at all given the way these

00:34:26.660 things roll given this new era that we're

00:34:29.020 in all of a sudden you are hearing calls not

00:34:33.340 just from the left not even primarily from

00:34:35.700 the left to end the freedom of speech in the

00:34:39.060 united states and this is the red line here's

00:34:41.420 one example this i think was on cnbc new

00:34:44.420 year's day watch this i know it's difficult to

00:34:47.120 hear but it's time to limit the first amendment

00:34:50.180 in order to protect it and quickly before it's too

00:34:54.800 late what do you mean i mean that we need to

00:34:58.220 control the platforms all the social platforms we

00:35:02.600 need to stack rank the

00:35:04.860 authenticity of every person that expresses

00:35:10.500 themselves online and take control over what they are saying

00:35:16.080 based on that ranking the government the government should control the social

00:35:20.220 media

00:35:20.360 so here's a foreigner coming to our country and

00:35:27.660 saying with a straight face you need to get rid of the first amendment

00:35:31.620 because people are using it to criticize my country sitting on a tv set

00:35:36.620 in new york city lecturing a country that's not his own about how they're not

00:35:41.480 allowed to criticize him and the government should punish them for doing

00:35:45.440 it it's been a lot of noise in the news recently but none of it matters if

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00:37:03.700 describe it but he is a foreigner right so okay you could say well he just

00:37:08.900 doesn't know what the rules are he's obviously got a lot of brass to say

00:37:11.960 something like that a lot of chutzpah to say something like that

00:37:13.920 but who cares i mean yes he's a billionaire there are a lot of israeli

00:37:18.820 billionaires who've been calling in an israeli prime minister for censorship in

00:37:22.220 the united states and it's offensive and we should

00:37:24.380 obviously stop giving him any money we shouldn't be

00:37:26.140 paying for that but they're still not americans

00:37:29.560 oh but there are americans saying that here's one

00:37:33.300 actually happens a career u.s military officer

00:37:36.620 called jay collins this man is the lieutenant governor of florida which is

00:37:43.000 the most conservative state in the union if you ask jay collins

00:37:46.380 what are your politics you say oh of course i'm straight maga republican i'm a

00:37:49.880 conservative i share your values

00:37:51.660 this is real we check this is not ai watch here's jay collins of florida

00:37:56.220 and here's a critical thing you have a right to free speech but you don't have

00:38:00.440 the right to harm other people with your words you don't have the right

00:38:04.220 to say things that have really negative really horrible

00:38:07.840 meanings when you want people to destroy

00:38:10.720 israel that matters oh you don't have the right to say

00:38:16.040 things that people in charge don't like you don't

00:38:19.780 that's the whole point if you don't have that right you are a slave

00:38:26.080 and jay collins is your master

00:38:28.500 notice by the way he didn't say you can't attack america that's totally fine

00:38:34.600 jay collins military officer no you can't attack israel

00:38:38.360 you can't call for the destruction of israel of course you can call for the

00:38:41.700 destruction of any foreign country you want

00:38:43.080 it's a staple on fox news

00:38:45.820 lindsey graham does it every single day you just can't you can't call for the

00:38:50.580 destruction of israel and that's a crime

00:38:52.360 of course it's not a crime it may be an ugly opinion it may be an unsustainable

00:38:58.860 argument you may be an idiot you have

00:39:00.820 a god-given right to that opinion and a god-given right to express it

00:39:05.040 and this is the only country on planet earth where you still can

00:39:08.320 and again if they try and take that away

00:39:10.620 you need to have an insurrection against the government

00:39:12.680 because you're done at that point an insurrection against the government

00:39:16.280 if they try and take away your right to say what you think your right to your

00:39:21.220 own conscience period that that has to be it

00:39:23.980 right there it's fine to attack america but you can't attack israel

00:39:28.520 this is by the way part of the problem with administering an empire

00:39:33.520 is that a lot of people and jay collins clearly one of them might be good

00:39:38.080 people might be right about a lot of different things but they come to

00:39:40.580 identify so strongly with foreign countries

00:39:42.920 that they forget about their own this was a huge problem during the british

00:39:46.300 empire there were tons of colonial military officers and

00:39:51.020 administrators who spent their careers in india and kind of cared a lot more

00:39:57.380 about what happened in the subcontinent they cared about in england

00:39:59.480 because that's where they spent their lives

00:40:01.140 those are the problems they they spent their career solving so they went up

00:40:05.100 identifying with foreign countries more than their own

00:40:07.700 this is absolutely a feature of empire hard to fight against but it's

00:40:13.820 essential that we do fight against it no

00:40:15.800 what matters is the united states that's who's paying for this

00:40:19.280 that's who's in whose name these actions are being conducted

00:40:23.360 the only justification for any of this is to serve

00:40:27.580 american citizens not the citizens of israel or sri lanka or any other place

00:40:32.380 venezuela but america so you'd think this would all be very very obvious but

00:40:39.440 somehow i actually called around on this and

00:40:42.660 was told oh it's not a real position but there's a there's a current

00:40:45.300 administration official like an actual official in the executive branch

00:40:49.540 right now who's making this case that americans

00:40:53.600 actually don't have oh they have a first amendment but it turns out that

00:40:57.320 actually you can't say anything i don't like

00:40:59.260 or else you go to jail this guy's name is rabbi i don't think he actually has a

00:41:03.820 congregate he's i don't know if he's i don't know what it

00:41:06.060 means to be a rabbi i don't think he actually runs a congregation

00:41:08.240 yahuda kaploon actually met him seems like a nice guy

00:41:12.340 but here are his views and you should keep in mind that the

00:41:16.960 views you're about to hear are much much more common than you may

00:41:22.780 realize here he is the amount of hate speech that we've seen during this time

00:41:29.060 i mean it's it's off the charts you look through social media you see it even

00:41:33.060 on television the the lines they're not even

00:41:35.740 blurred anymore they're gone how do you even begin to to tackle such a

00:41:39.980 a phenomenon well i think we have to have an understanding

00:41:42.580 that first of all in this country we believe very strongly in free speech

00:41:46.420 it's the basis in our constitution and we also believe in the freedom of

00:41:52.120 religion you have to balance that but you balance that

00:41:55.140 in two ways europe has paid speech laws probably some of the best on the books

00:42:00.000 but it's selectively enforced so if you selectively enforce the rule it's not

00:42:05.220 going to have any effect whatsoever and you can see how it's had no effect in

00:42:09.660 europe in laundering and stopping the hate

00:42:11.440 so this guy is something called the anti-semitism czar

00:42:16.780 it's an office set up by george w bush like most

00:42:19.980 insane unjustifiable things anti-semitism czar at the state department focused on

00:42:25.300 one specific kind of ethnic hate not protecting all americans

00:42:29.360 there is no stop anti-white hate czar of course and there never will be because

00:42:35.300 the same people who are upset about hate are promoting that kind of hate but

00:42:39.040 whatever it's one specific group protected

00:42:42.060 somehow by the united states state department

00:42:46.360 but this is a guy who actually has a job administration saying it's great

00:42:53.160 european hate crimes laws are great well first of all

00:42:55.880 every single one of them is immoral

00:42:58.660 and two they're all contrary to the first one you couldn't have laws like that here

00:43:05.580 and three when you actually look at those laws that rabbi you who to cap loon

00:43:11.220 is saying are so great they're used to suppress christianity that's

00:43:16.380 what they actually are of course and creativity and freedom of thought and

00:43:20.460 individual conscience and the humanity of the populations of european

00:43:24.140 countries all suppressed by this but christianity is always number one so in

00:43:27.780 finland for example when the lead opposition political leaders is now on

00:43:32.260 trial why why is she on trial because she tweeted a quote from romans the

00:43:39.840 epistle to the romans by saint paul you may have heard of it it's a

00:43:42.500 significant book in the new testament in it he describes basic christian

00:43:47.600 sexual ethics you know like one man one woman

00:43:50.620 against other forms of sexual expression that's christianity

00:43:57.340 and that was deemed a hate crime under the law under those european hate crimes

00:44:03.140 laws hate speech laws that rabbi yehuda cap loon

00:44:06.520 is saying we should emulate but maybe enforce a little tougher more selectively

00:44:11.240 this is what will destroy the country and divide the country and make people

00:44:18.420 hate each other whenever the u.s government protects

00:44:21.140 one group and allows others to be attacked

00:44:24.740 whenever the u.s government promotes one group

00:44:28.040 and suppresses another group it's prima facie unfair

00:44:32.260 but it's also the most divisive thing you could ever do to any country if you

00:44:36.360 treated your children differently they wouldn't hate you they'd hate each

00:44:40.900 other and every parent knows that so all of this stuff is corrosive to the

00:44:46.380 united states at exactly the moment when national cohesion is going to be

00:44:50.120 essential because there is a rocky road ahead that's very obvious and here you

00:44:54.400 have an administration official calling for hate crimes laws so the answer

00:44:59.160 has to be no and it has to be no now more than ever because once again we're

00:45:05.940 entering into a brand new phase with new rules and all of us are going to

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00:46:21.340 someone who has watched this more carefully than almost anyone i know and

00:46:28.680 whose instincts are admirable and wise uh is megan kelly

00:46:34.360 and so i want to bring her in now to get her sense of what exactly venezuela

00:46:40.400 means megan thanks so much for doing this i have a million questions for you but

00:46:43.180 first i you you said right after maduro got grabbed that you weren't exactly

00:46:47.980 sure you were skeptical what are your views of it now

00:46:50.740 yeah still skeptical um i said i'm not on a green light posture on this i'm not on a

00:46:57.580 red light i'm on a yellow and uh i don't love it i gotta be honest i

00:47:01.920 first of all would prefer we use our military defensively

00:47:04.820 and not offensively which may be anachronistic

00:47:07.780 but i'm not really in the mindset at all especially now with

00:47:12.480 three kids who are two out of three in their teens

00:47:15.840 of being super bellicose in our language or our approach to the world

00:47:21.480 and i i don't really see this as necessary i don't see this one as

00:47:25.660 necessary i understand what trump is saying

00:47:28.060 is the reason and i too appreciate the honesty i actually appreciate that we're

00:47:31.520 not cloaking it in democracy like we wanted the oil

00:47:34.720 he was really explicit and we didn't want them playing footsie with china and

00:47:40.280 iran and cuba okay so at least he's being honest

00:47:44.200 about it but i worry very much about unintended

00:47:47.800 consequences and you know i i realize it's not

00:47:52.260 libya it's venezuela but okay a couple things happen in libya

00:47:56.200 first of all when we killed their leader it's been chaos ever since

00:48:00.520 and i see the same sort of power vacuum there potentially even with this vice

00:48:05.120 president left in place that happened in libya i don't think we

00:48:08.120 actually are going to run venezuela venezuela because we don't want to and

00:48:11.500 we don't want to have a long-term presence there

00:48:13.160 so i do wonder what the power vacuum will be i'm not so sure this vice

00:48:17.320 president is going to be able to rule there with the same iron fist as maduro

00:48:20.360 i don't know what's going to happen um but i also think about what happened

00:48:25.020 in libya tucker when we were even younger

00:48:27.220 um and that's when you and i were in college and for the years prior to that

00:48:31.860 libya was doing some bad things in the world they were they bombed the night

00:48:35.260 club in berlin and some americans got killed and reagan then bombed them and

00:48:41.340 we were sort of ratcheting up it wasn't an outright war with libya but we were

00:48:44.620 escalating tensions here and there with them and the next thing we knew we just

00:48:48.180 sort of thought we had settled the matter because we are the big bad united

00:48:50.700 states and once we sort of bomb you you're supposed to go away and realize

00:48:54.160 it's going to get worse for you but what libya actually did was they

00:48:58.080 planted a bomb on panem 103 and brought down that flight over

00:49:03.560 lockerby scotland killing 259 people most of whom were american

00:49:06.900 including 35 students from syracuse university where i was going to school

00:49:13.120 as a freshman and every year i was there for four

00:49:16.040 years we had the memorial honoring those 35 18 and 19 year olds who had been

00:49:21.460 studying abroad in london and had been killed over scotland on their way home

00:49:25.280 from their study abroad program because of this these little sort of power battles

00:49:29.720 that had happened that weren't supposed to mean anything

00:49:31.240 we're supposed to be just sort of asserting our power and teaching somebody a

00:49:35.640 lesson did anybody anticipate that i don't think

00:49:39.440 so okay you know venezuela is not libya it's

00:49:42.860 not full of a bunch of middle eastern potential terrorists but it's not it's not

00:49:46.820 great like they've got a bunch of gangs down there who have zero problem

00:49:51.380 killing americans let's check in with trenda aragua let's check in with um

00:49:56.600 lake and riley's family to find out whether they have any empathy for

00:50:00.260 americans doesn't seem so and i don't know what faction of that

00:50:05.320 group we're ticking off right now with our behavior and going in there and saying

00:50:09.100 the oil's now ours we're gonna sell it you know we'll give you a piece of it but

00:50:13.080 we're taking it so i really do worry about unintended consequences and i object

00:50:17.600 to empire i i much prefer the way we started with the original george

00:50:22.560 washington let's avoid foreign entanglements let's not cozy up too much

00:50:27.640 to any one country let's enjoy the beautiful blessing of the two huge oceans

00:50:31.680 on either side i don't want to have to take care of

00:50:34.480 venezuela i really don't i'm not particularly worried about them cozying up

00:50:38.940 too much to china and russia neither of whom are in a position right now to

00:50:41.880 attack us uh and don't i don't think i have a reason to attack us at the

00:50:45.580 moment so i i don't like it i still support

00:50:49.520 trump obviously but i don't think this is something he ran on at all i think he

00:50:53.400 actually ran on the opposite promise that we weren't going to be doing this

00:50:56.260 stuff i don't think anybody who voted for

00:50:58.380 him was thinking about this when we voted for him everyone's rooting for him

00:51:03.140 everyone who's sane and you know independent minded

00:51:05.820 um but this is a massive distraction from where his attentions should be in

00:51:11.380 my view which as you point out are rightly

00:51:13.180 baltimore and other cities that are genuinely suffering

00:51:17.140 and i think if we roll into these midterms you know he gave a big speech

00:51:20.480 before the republicans in congress yesterday about we need to win the

00:51:23.060 midterms if we roll into these midterms

00:51:25.380 and we have a year almost of trump focusing on

00:51:29.020 running venezuela as the so-called affordability message is ubiquitous in

00:51:34.660 the left-string press every day it's not going to help he's going to

00:51:38.460 lose control of the house i don't think republicans will lose the senate but

00:51:42.020 we're going to have non-stop two years of investigations

00:51:44.160 and look trump hasn't been doing a great job of getting his agenda pushed

00:51:48.060 through as legislation the first year because as it turns out you really do

00:51:52.940 need 60 senators now in order to act enact legislation unless you get rid of

00:51:57.140 the filibuster um so think how we'll do when republicans

00:52:00.540 don't even control the house we will have absolutely no laws passed

00:52:05.160 which tucker will only feed into what you're talking about which is this idea

00:52:09.580 of empire and the executive branch growing bigger and bigger

00:52:13.060 he's already rendered congress almost irrelevant

00:52:15.900 they'll become even more so with the democrats in control of the house

00:52:20.460 because all they're going to be doing is snipping at his heels trying to

00:52:22.640 investigate everything he does but they won't even be relevant in terms of

00:52:25.900 potentially passing legislation because it'll be an absolute no-brainer

00:52:28.860 nothing will happen the executive branch will grow

00:52:31.860 and okay maybe i can get you know comfortable with empire if i must

00:52:35.620 if we're thinking about a jd vance but we are not going to have a republican in

00:52:40.980 the white house forever never mind the right republican in the

00:52:44.440 in the white house forever we are going to wind up with a gavin

00:52:47.940 newsom one of these days or an aoc and then what and by the way even if we move

00:52:53.960 on from trump or a jd type you know president

00:52:58.040 just and stick with like republican who's gonna run the empire like what if

00:53:02.780 we wind up with a mit romney what do what do we do with venezuela then

00:53:06.740 what if the collapse happens then because we no longer have a strong hand

00:53:11.080 at on the tiller the way we might with trump here

00:53:14.540 what chaos will ensue we just i don't think we have an accurate feel for what

00:53:19.500 we've unleashed and i again i think it was unnecessary

00:53:22.920 i i think you make a strong case um i've thought all of that i don't think i

00:53:28.940 articulated it quite as well as you just did and of course i'm totally opposed to

00:53:32.540 empire too i'm kind of for an agrarian society with no electricity

00:53:35.700 is you know small communities i'm serious i mean it but we're not in

00:53:40.600 charge and so this is a new system clearly we're

00:53:43.580 moving toward it at some point this president or some president is

00:53:47.060 going to start ignoring the courts too and you're going to have just a total

00:53:51.200 power in the executive and there's a lot of

00:53:53.360 evidence that the emerging america demographically wants that i mean

00:53:57.380 that's the case in most countries and it will be the case here probably i'm not

00:54:00.280 endorsing that at all i'm just sort of looking ahead generally

00:54:02.900 generationally and we're going to get we're going to get something like that

00:54:06.040 so given that i i feel like you need to make smart

00:54:10.320 decision wise decisions with the future in mind

00:54:13.000 always especially now and there are all these

00:54:16.260 ghouls who've somehow attached themselves like barnacles to the executive

00:54:20.600 branch like mark levin and lindsey graham and ted cruz

00:54:25.820 screeching about how okay that was a great success

00:54:29.100 four days ago now we need to roll into tehran

00:54:31.880 do you think that will happen oh yeah i mean it's like you watch lindsey

00:54:36.700 graham it's like he's got the taste of blood in his mouth and he's excited

00:54:40.260 i mean he's practically frothing it was disturbing

00:54:43.560 and you know this is who for right now trump is surrounding himself

00:54:47.540 with you know you had lindsey graham on air force one with him

00:54:50.700 you had levin at the white house with his arm around trump almost trying to like

00:54:55.080 manhandle him like sort of assert power over trump

00:54:57.980 like kind of pulling him in and you know trump doesn't like that even when you

00:55:01.420 shake hands with trump he makes sure he's in command and he's in the

00:55:04.560 dominant position but mark levin goes in there and almost

00:55:07.140 tries to emasculate him like with the arm around like this is my guy

00:55:10.240 yeah which is exactly the wrong messaging to allow

00:55:12.940 and to send in levin's case so it is disturbing like how close

00:55:17.560 not just the neocon i think there are there are some normal neocons like i would

00:55:21.040 consider probably you know brit hume is probably neocony some of my pals over at

00:55:26.500 national review or neocon but they're not frothing at the mouth crazy for blood

00:55:29.820 neocons exactly that's right i mean what what's lindsey graham stands for is

00:55:33.960 deeply disturbing to me and that stuff about the ayatollah like

00:55:37.660 you know our president's gonna come kill you would you just stop like you said

00:55:41.220 just hey as far as i know lindsey graham

00:55:43.880 doesn't have teenage children who are gonna have to go fight

00:55:46.600 his war he now wants against iran but i do

00:55:50.320 and you have kids in their 20s and some of us actually have a real stake

00:55:53.880 and making sure that does not happen we do not want that it's again unnecessary

00:55:58.820 so it's really kind of getting crazy and i also think

00:56:02.940 you're right about the alarming increase in military budget

00:56:06.980 what is the reason for that trump's speaking in a disturbing way about

00:56:10.780 greenland um my hope is that all the talk about

00:56:13.860 greenland because even yesterday caroline levitt was saying

00:56:16.300 military options are still on the table if that's what the president wants

00:56:19.760 explicitly about greenland um that he's just asking for a 10 where he

00:56:25.540 intends to settle for a six which is i'm going to scare you so that you

00:56:30.140 actually will cut a better deal with me on your raw earth minerals

00:56:32.840 and give me more access to your country if i need it for those and or military

00:56:37.960 purposes but obviously we can't go around invading

00:56:41.900 greenland we can't go around invading any countries

00:56:44.560 we can't go invade cuba he mentioned them we can't go invade iran

00:56:49.320 we we cannot go invade colombia or just kick the guy's ass as trump is saying

00:56:54.280 and not expect any negative consequences to us

00:56:57.960 like we are actually are rebuilding the economy trump is rolling back regulations

00:57:02.580 he's allowing modern business to thrive the tariffs i think have not worked out

00:57:06.880 too poorly and i think have a very good shot of working out even better

00:57:10.000 interest rates are coming down inflation is coming down why can't we just roll

00:57:15.020 that agenda into a stronger economy than ever come

00:57:18.360 midterms and maybe possibly win more seats in the house such that trump and

00:57:23.300 maybe you know god even knows convince some senators to vote republican uh when a

00:57:28.220 vote comes up and actually enact an agenda that could stick and that could be

00:57:31.460 popular and stop worrying about being policemen of the world

00:57:34.840 worrying about the bad of course they're bad guys we know there are bad guys in

00:57:38.760 cuba we know the guy who runs colombia is not great we know maduro wasn't great

00:57:42.420 iran obviously we're not big fans of the ayatollah and vice versa we're not the

00:57:47.500 policemen of the world it was never intended to be this way and look if that's

00:57:52.000 what we're going to use the 1.5 trillion uh for that's alarming too even if it's

00:57:56.600 not world war if it's just that we can be the world cop or the world invader or

00:58:02.740 like sort of the badass with swagger with the amazing military and now we want to

00:58:06.720 use it that that's going to cause a host of unintended consequences that trump's

00:58:11.340 never going to be around to even see through you know it you and i are still

00:58:15.020 going to be here our kids are still going to be here trump's grandkids are going to

00:58:18.080 be here um but it almost feels at times to me like trump has discovered he's got

00:58:22.860 this exciting efficient tool called the u.s military and he's dying to try it out

00:58:28.340 and uh unfortunately when you're dying to try out the u.s military as the commander in

00:58:32.920 chief you ultimately are not the one who will be dying but others will and they

00:58:37.260 include americans eventually yeah and you know it's always possible for any

00:58:41.840 president to get over his keys i mean it's just once these enterprises begin it's

00:58:48.520 sort of hard to know where they're going to go and thing unanticipated things

00:58:51.320 happen and there's just a lot of risk in in all of this rubio seems much more

00:58:57.700 level-headed than i ever gave him credit for being in smarter gd vance obviously uh has

00:59:02.220 always been both of those things but it does seem like now is the time to clear

00:59:07.420 out some of the emotionally unstable lunatics it'd be nice and you know your

00:59:14.580 point about free speech is absolutely spot-on um you know you play i was

00:59:19.840 amazed to hear that the one soundbite by jim collins in florida incredible i

00:59:25.680 actually wrote down what you said he said you don't have the right to harm other

00:59:28.560 people with your words i absolutely do and it's actually what makes us

00:59:33.060 fundamentally american it's awesome i have every right to insult you to speak

00:59:39.740 hatefully about you and it's glorious it's it's what makes it wonderful to

00:59:44.080 live here i mean the first amendment of course is there to protect hate speech

00:59:48.820 hate speech is not only constitutional it's written right in there that you can

00:59:52.460 say you can say the most hateful things possible

00:59:54.560 sorry but i can and if you don't like it too you're the one who needs to move

00:59:58.720 not me i don't need to move out of the united states of america that's my

01:00:01.960 fundamental right to say things that offend and that's what's so upsetting

01:00:05.600 about what is happening in europe not to mention you're in israel too

01:00:09.380 because you mentioned uh you know the rabbi and and the guy on cnbc i mean

01:00:14.740 israel's been in the press quite a bit over the past year or two for cracking

01:00:18.040 down on free speech rights in its country the rights of journalists to report

01:00:22.680 openly and honestly on what's happening over there and europe is in a place

01:00:27.100 where they're now arresting people for thought crimes for actually just causing

01:00:30.900 offense that's it not to mention in england arresting a woman for silently

01:00:36.440 praying outside of an abortion clinic literally not saying a word just praying

01:00:41.700 in her head and a cop saw her standing there and asked her what she was doing and

01:00:45.460 she admitted the truth and she got arrested um our friend laurence fox he got

01:00:51.300 arrested because he was over there saying he was thinking about tearing down the

01:00:57.060 pesky traffic cameras that they put in various places in london to police the

01:01:03.160 gas guzzling cars because they don't want these non-eco-friendly cars in london and

01:01:08.380 he was thinking about tearing down the cameras he got arrested they raided his

01:01:12.220 home so yeah you need to be able to think what you want you need to be able to say

01:01:16.240 what you want in all three of those examples that you showed of people saying

01:01:19.480 it's time to crack down we should control the internet you can't say things that hurt

01:01:24.180 people or that are hateful are exactly the opposite of what we actually stand for in

01:01:29.120 this country and we better be really loud about it or we're going to be following our

01:01:33.060 friends in germany and england down the drain i mean there does seem to be a connection

01:01:38.980 between war footing and a clampdown on civil liberties in the country that's on war footing

01:01:44.060 right so the president's that clamped down on free speech most aggressively in our history

01:01:50.000 abraham lincoln during the civil war woodrow wilson during the first world war fdr for his

01:01:55.300 entire term and lyndon johnson during vietnam who sent the fbi after his critics and cia to

01:02:02.020 do all kinds of things that are shocking um so that's i guess my concern if like all of a sudden

01:02:08.720 you become permanently at war your own population in some ways becomes the government's enemy i've

01:02:16.300 noticed well look we were in a way a part of that during the iraq war yeah i know um at fox right

01:02:27.280 like they they didn't allow and we didn't allow people who were criticizing the war a platform

01:02:34.460 we mocked them and made fun of them because i think we thought it was our duty to defend the war

01:02:40.180 and i see fox news doing that right now um there's not really a skeptical voice over there about what

01:02:47.140 we're doing in venezuela and i'm fine with the people who support the venezuela move then i i've

01:02:51.520 been having them on my show all week and giving the president his due to hear what are the detractors

01:02:55.640 saying and what are the supporters saying and that's up for the audience to make up their mind if

01:02:58.920 they disagree with me on my stance that's fine it's great no more power to them but you know

01:03:04.280 that's not the job when you're on fox news and when i was there i'll speak for myself it was very

01:03:09.660 clear to me what the what the job was which was to root for it to defend it period and not to allow

01:03:15.820 skeptics on to express you know why they thought it was a bad idea but instead to mock them and to

01:03:21.220 belittle them which has an effect of shaming people out of the view at least maybe not the code pinks of

01:03:26.420 the world but like normie normies whether they're republicans or independents who would come on fox

01:03:31.300 they understood that message is going to get you banned you're not going to get an invitation back

01:03:36.180 because it's not a place to come for a full and fair discussion so yeah we we've already slipped

01:03:41.940 into that in our past our not so distant past and look what it got us you know the iraq war was not a

01:03:46.860 good idea i wish i hadn't defended it i know you feel the same i wish i had let more dissenting voices

01:03:52.440 on and really listen to them to see whether they had a good point and i think now more than ever

01:03:57.440 that's why independent channels like the ones that we're operating on currently are incredibly

01:04:02.400 important because there is no agenda you know people want to say you're bought and paid for

01:04:06.500 you're not bought and paid for by anybody you're totally independent as am i i don't take anybody's

01:04:10.820 money other than like cozy earth but they're not involved in this conflict no they're not they're

01:04:18.240 great uh they're great so they're what do you make of the division within the trump voting base

01:04:25.980 um you've been sucked into this i think against your will i i always think of you as the most

01:04:32.540 sensible least radical least crazy person ever always willing to entertain both sides measured

01:04:39.240 and somehow you've been held up as some kind of nazi or something by a few very very active people on

01:04:47.380 social media mark levin chief among them i look at that and i'm like this is if you're attacking

01:04:52.320 megan kelly for this stuff falsely this is clearly an effort to split trump's base that's my view but

01:04:59.360 tell me what you think is going on so mark levin is in a special class shall we say yeah he's in a

01:05:05.560 special class because i truly think he's not well i genuinely think he's unwell which is when i stopped

01:05:11.460 fighting with him like i over the even though over the holiday break he was incendiary and his rhetoric

01:05:16.040 and i thought you know i went after him a little because he kept attacking me and others and like

01:05:20.740 was calling dave smith a nazi a neo-nazi like crazy stuff and then i just realized what am i doing like

01:05:27.360 he's true he's an insane person you know and as my therapist ironically always says stay away from

01:05:32.860 crazy and he's not wrong he doesn't take the truly crazy ones which bodes well for me um but i do i

01:05:41.160 genuinely think like he's not well and i really don't think the president should let mark levin

01:05:44.440 within within 10 feet of him like he's not a well person um but the but there is a very ardent

01:05:51.020 extremely pro-israel and indeed i will say israel first crowd that is doing what you said right now

01:05:57.640 and sure levin is one of them but i'm just saying he's just such a nutcase how can we really factor

01:06:01.340 him into this argument but i don't know whether the point is to cause losses for this president or

01:06:09.560 stop his agenda i really think that the israel firsters have no tolerance for anyone who will

01:06:17.160 not defend israel at every turn and that's why they can't stand you and that's why they now can't

01:06:23.060 stand me because even though i am an israel supporter you and i have discussed this before

01:06:27.600 yeah it's not that i defend everything they've done but in the in the war with hamas my god i mean

01:06:32.080 like i thought what hamas did on 10-7 was absolutely barbaric and i have defended israel's

01:06:36.140 rights to defend itself and i've even argued that it doesn't need to be a proportionate response

01:06:40.560 all the things i've been very defensive of anti-semitism on college campuses which i think

01:06:45.820 has been very real over the past couple of years i've wanted the foreign exchange students the

01:06:49.840 non-americans ejected i have no problem with ejecting the makhmud khalil's of the world who said

01:06:54.860 nice university you have here columbia either boycott israel or the campus gets it get out get out of

01:07:01.260 here right i have no problem with any of that i've gotten notes from all like all of these people

01:07:06.560 dear friends of mine over the past two years thank you so much you make me and my family feel safer

01:07:11.720 these are pro-israel jewish friends of mine in the media you make me and my family feel safer i love you

01:07:18.520 my family loves you god bless you thank these same people have now turned on me and some are calling me

01:07:24.620 an anti-semite why what did i say what did i do did i step on a rake and say something super

01:07:30.200 anti-semitic without realizing it no it's because i won't defriend you and i won't condemn and say

01:07:39.600 that candace owens is hateful they want me really really badly to condemn candace owens and i'm sorry

01:07:47.000 to break it to them but i am responsible for what i say not for what anybody else says i am not candace

01:07:53.500 owens's policeman and by the way they're kidding themselves that if just one more voice will say

01:07:59.500 something nasty about candace she could finally be controlled like how well has that worked so far

01:08:04.480 but again the instinct is just to stop her stop her speech stop it make her stop it make tucker stop

01:08:11.520 saying the things well i have no desire to and i have no power to and for that i was called a coward by

01:08:19.840 ben shapiro at the turning point event amfest in december who by the way in my last exchange with him

01:08:26.840 literally said our friendship his and mine is too important to both of us to make it depend on

01:08:36.080 who else whom else we are friends with and aren't friends with that is literally the last text i have

01:08:42.100 from ben shapiro the next thing i knew he was standing on the stage at turning point calling me a coward

01:08:46.820 for this very thing so it there i am convinced now more than ever that there is a crew for whom

01:08:53.340 everything revolves around israel that friendships don't matter love relationships don't potentially

01:08:59.880 matter what the only thing that matters is whether you are standing up for israel or not and on top of

01:09:06.840 that you can even stand up for israel as i have you also must not just condemn but defriend

01:09:13.240 defriend anyone who is raising questions about israel it's important that that other person

01:09:19.140 be excised from polite society be ostracized that you join us in our messaging to tell the world that

01:09:25.560 they're terrible they're evil they should be out of polite society and no no we're not calling for

01:09:31.580 cancellation no one's calling for cancellation or de-platforming just stop that's not what we're

01:09:35.720 doing we just don't want them ever to appear at a turning point event again we just don't want them

01:09:40.280 ever to be invited to cpac we just never want to see them at a white house event we just never want

01:09:45.220 ever to see them platformed on your show which is independent in the digital lane absolutely not

01:09:49.960 so it's fine they technically they can exist in the ether with a microphone that's fine we're not we're

01:09:54.800 not anti-free speech but we just need to pressure and cancel everyone around them for continuing a

01:10:00.360 relationship with them and it's absolutely disgusting i heard you say this not long ago and i completely

01:10:06.900 related i'd rather dive and do that i'd rather dive and do that and now that they've made that the

01:10:13.400 stakes of my so-called friendships with them i really won't do it now i i don't know i don't care

01:10:20.080 what anybody says like i'll never do it now even if i had actual disagreements that i otherwise would

01:10:26.180 raise hell no because i'm not raising the fist and saying blm at the table and i'm not bending the

01:10:33.980 knee to these bullies who think they can control me i i always think to myself i'm i don't think

01:10:41.220 i've ever said an anti-semitic thing in my life i'm positive you haven't they never point to anything

01:10:46.060 that's anti-semitic no but what's interesting is while the rest of us are having these debates

01:10:50.280 a bunch of different states including the state of florida the most important state in a lot of ways

01:10:55.780 has codified anti-semitism as a crime and they've defined not anti-anything just anti-semitism

01:11:03.740 and they've defined it in a way that is so expansive criticism of israel is anti-semitic

01:11:12.080 the claim that someone is israel first is in is a crime in the state of florida to santa sign this

01:11:17.400 and i'm just like well wait a second i mean i don't think most people even know that that happened

01:11:21.860 and plenty of states have done that and so i think we're going to wake up one morning with

01:11:26.420 european hate crimes laws written in a way that is not fair at all that doesn't affect justice and

01:11:33.340 is basically just another form of identity politics at the point of a gun i think this is going to

01:11:37.140 happen it is identity politics it really is and i'll tell you the number one reason apart from the

01:11:44.560 free speech principles i guess the number two reason we shouldn't be doing that it will cause

01:11:49.100 anti-semitism well exactly it absolutely will cause in the same way that now like people

01:11:54.440 don't understand nick fuentes you you may be familiar with him um they don't understand him

01:11:59.500 right like why why are people flocking to nick fuentes you know what it's because a lot of young

01:12:05.180 white men in particular have been told for years now that identity is everything it's everything it

01:12:10.940 does matter what what what is your in-group and those are your compadres and you better get you know

01:12:17.300 some alignment there because we're factioning now into groups and you better figure out which one is

01:12:22.420 yours and so there are a lot of young white men who have accepted the messaging of the blmers and

01:12:27.320 the wokesters on the left and have understood now like you know what i don't want to follow what

01:12:32.320 tucker carlson is saying that we don't judge people like that even though we're on the right

01:12:35.500 that i'm accepting the messaging that's been taught to be my my teachers k-12 by my university

01:12:40.960 professors for four years by my grad school professors by the media by corporate america

01:12:47.880 all of them which is identity does matter your very goodness will be rated on whether you accept

01:12:53.280 this premise and they've accepted it and now they're leaning into white identity politics and

01:12:58.460 then being shamed because the leader of those happens to be nick fuentes so that what what the jews

01:13:05.240 who push those laws and it is a lot of jews down in in florida and a lot of jewish people in new

01:13:09.540 york too um they think that the answer to anti-semitism which is a problem to some extent of

01:13:15.400 course is to get themselves recategorized as one of the protected dei groups and of course it's not

01:13:22.200 the answer is to demolish dei of course the answer is to stop separating us by group and the more you

01:13:27.900 start cracking down on people's thought crimes against israel or even their anti-semitism truly like

01:13:35.560 this is america you're allowed to be a racist you're allowed to be a misogynist you're allowed to

01:13:39.460 be an anti-semitism exactly you're not allowed to like make hiring and firing decisions based on

01:13:43.260 that but that's not what we're arguing over here it's we're talking about what's in your head and

01:13:46.640 your heart the more you try to criminalize that or ruin someone's life over those thoughts the more

01:13:52.480 you engender the very hatred you say you're objecting to and this is part in part reason the

01:13:59.420 tucker the reason tucker that i tweeted out that it's not tucker carlson and his views on israel

01:14:06.940 that are causing anti-semites it is more ben shapiro's and the barry weiss's of the world

01:14:14.140 and of course the adl then called me an anti-semite because that what happens is you know that you see

01:14:19.980 the cycle right like you get attacked i didn't attack barry or ben they attacked me again just

01:14:25.380 because i wouldn't defriend people they attacked me i said to them that behavior is going to cause

01:14:30.420 anti-semites like you shouldn't do that because this is actually undermining the very thing you say

01:14:34.020 you care about then he swoops in the adl to say you're an anti-semite for saying that to them

01:14:38.660 you're not allowed to defend yourself against their attacks by saying hey you're the one who's

01:14:43.040 bringing more hatred into this argument exactly because that you know on and on it goes but i

01:14:49.060 genuinely believe it and i genuinely don't want additional jew hatred happening and happening in

01:14:53.500 this country i don't either most normal american jewish people would never make israel the stakes of a

01:14:59.040 relationship there i know so many jewish dear friends of mine who are sick of talking about

01:15:03.540 israel ben barry levin they don't speak for the vast majority of american jewish people who would

01:15:10.600 never think of making your feelings about benjamin netanyahu the stakes of your friendship or love

01:15:16.860 relationship he's the al sharpton of jewish americans i would say he doesn't speak for all jews

01:15:23.520 obviously um there's a hostility there's a hostility to some of the people you mentioned

01:15:28.520 particularly to mark levin and i think you called it out that you called him anti-christian the other

01:15:33.960 day why'd you say that yeah so he decided to go after jack basobiec who is a great guy who is a dear

01:15:42.760 friend of charlie's and who has really stepped up to the plate in the wake of charlie's murder he's been

01:15:48.240 doing so much to help turning point stay afloat taking his podcast out there he's been in close

01:15:55.260 contact with all the turning point staff with erica like this guy's been a real stand-up guy he's been

01:16:00.520 a hero and not for nothing but he's been great to me too and i really appreciate it because back in

01:16:05.600 the day he and i didn't get along you know but you know how this business is like yes you can get past

01:16:10.000 that if you're a decent person and he and i totally got past that i really like him and respect him

01:16:14.860 and he's been a leader on the faith front one of the things we lost after charlie died was someone

01:16:22.060 who could speak about the bible about god about christianity about faith in the way that charlie

01:16:28.540 did that was inspirational but also that unique ability to tie it to our conservative principles

01:16:34.120 like that was part of the deep loss in losing charlie like that he helped you realize that your

01:16:39.900 conservative ideals actually are found are the foundation is in christianity but on top of that

01:16:45.440 he could cite the chapter and verse of the bible the proverbs all of it to to prove it to you well

01:16:50.460 jack pasoba can do this too and so i've really come to adore this guy anyway he interviewed me at the

01:16:58.040 turning point event um the night after you were there and he gave me actually on my tour a beautiful

01:17:06.280 rosary at charlie's um memorial that we all went to he spoke and he held up that gorgeous rosary

01:17:12.440 and it was very moving then i complimented him he gave me a rosary that was identical which i pray

01:17:18.400 every day and i love and after that event at turning point he posted a picture of that rosary

01:17:23.800 uh and mark levin chose that picture of jack pasobiec holding his rosary to attack calling him what i'm

01:17:34.240 trying to remember the word it was like wacko or freak it was something extremely pejorative

01:17:40.800 and diminishing and there's no accident that he chose that picture if you google this guy you can

01:17:47.100 find 10 000 pictures of him on the internet it is not hard to find a suit and tie picture of jack

01:17:52.680 pasobiec or even jack in a t-shirt if you want to make him look more casual he chose that picture

01:17:59.320 and it's no accident tucker because he held that up because i genuinely think mark levin thinks

01:18:06.040 catholics who pray the rosary are freaks that we are kooks and that's one of the reasons why he thinks

01:18:11.940 we're complete completely fair game to attack as woke reich which is what he's called me and you and

01:18:19.260 others anti-semitic because what you're anti-semitic because you're holding up a rosary well that's sick

01:18:24.880 that's absolutely disgusting like and if you take the religious discussion there you want to go back

01:18:29.660 and argue about jesus and jews role around the time of christ okay let's do that how's that going to

01:18:36.600 end about the same as the discussion that people wanted to raise about black crime versus white crime

01:18:42.640 ended glenn lowry stood up at the time saying that's not going to end well stop doing that stop

01:18:47.940 talking about suggesting whites are committing all the crimes you know what they're going to do soon

01:18:52.900 is they're going to bring up some uncomfortable truths about blacks which is eventually how that

01:18:56.620 ended like just stop all right because it never in my life in arguing with someone like a mark levin

01:19:01.660 would i bring up his faith beliefs and call him a kook for them that's just so hateful and disrespect

01:19:08.360 never never would i do such a thing but there's a reason he chose that photo with the rosary and

01:19:14.520 tried to diminish jack posobic and i would argue catholics and christians who also pray the rosary

01:19:19.680 yeah apparently he went totally bonkers when you called him out he's an angry angry man and honestly

01:19:28.180 i tweeted this out and i really believe it well it's so it's obvious to me that there's hostility

01:19:33.700 here this is not just a foreign policy debate i understand that he's all in for israel i'm not mad

01:19:38.260 about that by the way um that's okay with me but it's more than that there's there's like there's

01:19:45.080 something deep going on here with mark levin and i agree with you i hope let's dissect it yeah let's

01:19:49.720 dissect it okay because i do want to spend a minute on this if you have it oh of course um

01:19:53.580 so mark levin was always a fan of mine he was always a fan like there are tweets out there saying

01:19:59.820 oh she's got a hell of a podcast in 2022 he came on my podcast he asked to come on when he had a book

01:20:05.600 out sure yeah come on we had a nice exchange this is all i think pre 10-7 but we had a very nice

01:20:11.720 exchange whatever never had a problem when we were at fox with one another and then as i as i

01:20:19.300 point out i didn't have a relationship with mark texting and so on but some of those others that we

01:20:24.020 discussed uh had been sending me the love texts all ever since 10-7 about how my standing up for

01:20:29.580 american jewish people made them feel safe and thank you and we love you and we're so grateful and blah

01:20:33.160 blah it's not why i did it but i appreciated the notes that was very sweet so when exactly did i become

01:20:38.480 an anti-semite because he's called me that was it in this past july when you and i were both at

01:20:44.380 turning point the student action summit and charlie and i had a two-minute exchange on epstein and if

01:20:49.840 you worked for a foreign agency who would it have been and i said it would make sense it was massad

01:20:53.500 yeah i was called an anti-semite after that as you and i discussed the last time i came on

01:20:57.400 your evening show by some official jewish group that said charlie was an anti-semite too charlie kirk okay

01:21:03.540 um was it then was that the day i turned anti-semitic i'm trying to track it in my head

01:21:09.220 so then the next thing that happened was i went on with pierce morgan and i said i don't believe the

01:21:13.420 hamas ministry of anything i don't believe their numbers and i believe they're propagandists and i don't

01:21:18.400 believe their photos they put out but i also said israel needs to wrap up this war because they're losing

01:21:23.320 support i got called anti-semitic by a bunch of people a lot of pressure from american jews who are

01:21:28.340 active on israel which is the difference um no i'm not going to take it back i meant every word

01:21:34.380 i said none of it makes me anti-semitic and then came the tucker's interviewed nick and you must

01:21:39.900 disavow him now you really need to break up with tucker as if my entire career rises or falls based

01:21:47.400 on who my friends are and whose interview i decide to weigh in on well it's ridiculous so first of all i

01:21:52.500 had no problem with the fact that you interviewed nick fuentes and you did it your way and i happen to

01:21:56.540 know because i know you and i know some other things about that interview that you did it with

01:22:00.580 a pure heart it wasn't because you were in love with all of nick fuentes's messages at all but i

01:22:06.620 know you and i understood this is you don't have to confirm or deny but i thought you were very much

01:22:11.520 trying to reach him with your main message that you say all the time which is in the in the conservative

01:22:17.640 sphere on the right we don't judge people by identity we don't you didn't say it this way but we

01:22:24.120 don't we're not big on the n-word and the other words that he's been calling people like usha vance

01:22:29.160 or even thinking about people that way because that's what crazy leftists do with identity it's

01:22:35.840 anti-christian too i hate that as christians do okay so that you tried it didn't really work but

01:22:41.840 you tried and i i know your heart was in the right place and it was a worthwhile exercise because he's a

01:22:45.520 very interesting guy let's face it um he's obviously got some very extreme views but he's very interesting

01:22:50.120 and he's very smart and on a lot of things there is value to be derived from that guy's messaging i'm

01:22:54.960 sorry but he actually has a lot of things he talks about that you're like oh this is not a bad point

01:22:59.600 about our country i excuse his thoughts on race and jews and the holocaust and all that obviously

01:23:05.120 okay so i i was fine with your interview with nick fuentes i need to be excommunicated and then

01:23:11.500 came candace owens and that she really drives people crazy she drives them crazy they were very angry

01:23:17.880 that i didn't call her out for what she said about israel possibly being involved with charlie

01:23:21.740 kirk well i didn't call her out because i was totally fine with those questions being raised

01:23:24.920 and still am i like i'm sorry but i am i'm sick of this bullshit i i am allowed to have questions about

01:23:33.120 what if anyone aligned with israel or from israel might have had to do with charlie's death i think

01:23:39.380 it was tyler robinson i think he acted either alone or with trans tifa i don't know i got i got an

01:23:45.780 open heart to he was manipulated by somebody i do so i'm fine with those questions and i'm sorry for

01:23:51.580 people who don't want them asked and then it switched to erica kirk and turning point erica

01:23:55.820 became turning point became the focus of candace owens and honestly tucker from that point forward i

01:24:01.640 worked with turning point and erica regularly to say look candace has the right to ask the questions

01:24:07.100 she wants to ask i'm very close with everybody there as i know you are too and i talk with them at

01:24:13.540 length often about what's the best way of handling this right and i did not think it was a great idea

01:24:19.140 to go out and try to combat each claim i really thought just let her do her thing you don't get

01:24:24.960 to police her but you also don't have to respond to every question she asks like that's just not

01:24:29.440 i wouldn't do it and i don't suggest you do it sometimes they agreed with me sometimes they didn't

01:24:34.900 but for the whole time i was in close contact with them and then ultimately erica was asking me if i

01:24:39.840 would help forge a meeting with them broker a piece of some sorts i told her you know maybe you

01:24:46.260 could just email candace and put it to bed you know maybe that's the best way instead of like

01:24:50.720 getting together i don't know or doing some she wanted to do a live stream initially um she didn't

01:24:56.420 want to do it that way whatever i tried to be of service i spoke with candace too and was honest

01:25:00.620 with her and i've gotten to know her a lot better over the past six months and actually i know her better

01:25:05.400 now than ever and i've learned a lot about what's being done to candace by some of the people we've

01:25:10.560 been discussing and it's disgusting and i'm horrified by what she's been put through so i'm

01:25:15.720 really just a not in the mood i'm not her policeman i don't want to be her policeman you don't like her

01:25:21.160 don't click on her face same for me same for you it's the best well i have to ask you about

01:25:29.140 barry weiss and cbs how is that experiment going and will it succeed as a veteran of network news

01:25:36.940 i'm interested in your thoughts no it won't it won't go well it won't succeed nothing's going to

01:25:41.940 change there and barry weiss won't be the one to change it first of all tucker let's be honest

01:25:46.220 she's never worked in television a day in her life not one day she actually wasn't very experienced

01:25:50.460 even in the press business even in the newspaper business you know she quit the new york times after a

01:25:54.280 couple years so she's got one thing going for her which is she is not woke when it comes to

01:26:01.860 blacks and indians and like i can't think of any other favorite groups but she is woke when it comes

01:26:10.200 to american jewish people and somewhat when it comes to women so okay she's not as far left as some

01:26:18.520 of the other woke radicals who dragged us through 2020 and its aftermath um but she she doesn't have

01:26:24.580 any business running a news organization and people pointed out that i sent out a tweet when she got the

01:26:29.300 job saying she deserves her success of course i was being nice because we were friendly and also because

01:26:34.800 i don't begrudge her her success or the money that she got paid for an organization that honestly

01:26:39.420 wasn't worth a hundred million dollars like the multiples didn't play out but god bless if you can get

01:26:44.080 somebody to pay you a shit ton of money for your company go for it um but no she has no business

01:26:50.780 running a news a tv news organization there's a lot more to tv news than just taking the free press and

01:26:55.940 putting it on tv a lot more it there's a reason they call it broadcast news there are two pieces to it

01:27:02.940 the news is important but so is the broadcast piece and the fact that she put herself at the helm of the

01:27:09.000 erica kirk town hall proves to me she doesn't understand the broadcast piece because i'm sorry

01:27:14.240 not to be mean but barry weiss is not a strong broadcaster for many many reasons and she should

01:27:19.980 not be on camera and she should not be the face of cbs news and she really shouldn't steal the on-air

01:27:25.860 opportunities of the talent who are filling those roles there's no better way and i don't have to tell you

01:27:31.620 this to engender a loathing and resentment from the talent that works in your building than for you

01:27:39.900 as an executive to start stealing their prime time opportunities it was a massive fail the ratings

01:27:47.440 sucked and trust me it wasn't because the public's not interested in erica she didn't lead erica to good

01:27:53.600 places for erica to shine she she ambushed her with the guy who asked charlie the last question

01:28:01.300 before he was shot and killed she brought him back to face erica kirk to finish a question and to ask

01:28:08.280 erica to condemn trump's violent rhetoric this is the guy who saw erica's husband get assassinated

01:28:15.800 by a leftist tranny furry loving guy and now you want to make his widow condemn trump who just gave

01:28:23.560 her husband the presidential medal of freedom whose vice president buried him got him on air force too

01:28:29.180 how dare you how dare you do that barry weiss and she had zero sensitivity about it she ambushed her

01:28:35.240 and trust me when i tell you there's no love loss between erica kirk and barry weiss so that's just

01:28:41.000 my little window into what she's been doing but on top of that tucker i i've got more if you want it

01:28:47.160 oh i love it i love it there's no saving cbs evening there's no saving evening news and there's

01:28:53.200 really no saving cbs evening news this guy tony dokopoul what has he done so far nobody knows who

01:28:59.260 the hell he is um so far he got the job because he had a contentious segment with ta-nehisi coats

01:29:04.740 in which he was good ta-nehisi coats went to israel for 10 days and came back and said he was an expert

01:29:10.040 on it and wanted to write his thoughts okay you're not be quiet leave it to people who actually have

01:29:14.620 done a little study on it you're going anywhere for 10 days i mean i just got back from montana for

01:29:18.300 10 days doesn't make me an expert on montana it's cold it's got bears people love to hunt okay like

01:29:23.720 i'm not an expert okay but anyway um that was a good interview that's why he got the job because

01:29:29.320 he stuck up for israel he has an ex-wife who's living in israel and of course that's the agenda

01:29:34.080 now of barry weiss and her boss the ellisons at cbs and possibly at cnn if they wind up buying that too

01:29:40.140 although it's not looking good for them given the rejection of that bid today in any event so so that's

01:29:45.520 he got the job what is what has he done we pulled up a few segments that tony dokopoul has done

01:29:49.860 while a correspondent because now he's claiming i've always hated it i've gotten it too much

01:29:54.320 reliance on elites i'm gonna be for the people he's trying to sound like a fox news anchor well

01:29:58.940 we pulled up a couple of big news events we pulled up the uh border patrol is whipping haitian migrants

01:30:05.200 at the border story did tony dokopoul get it right even 24 hours into it after the reuters photographer

01:30:11.320 who took the pictures and said that's not what they show came out and said that's wrong

01:30:15.600 no he jumped right on the bandwagon served it up to jen saki who is his guest to let her take a huge

01:30:22.400 dump all over the trump administration and the border patrol but that's the rescue that's the savior

01:30:26.860 of cbs cbs needing the evening is count me a skeptic tucker people aren't interested they're not

01:30:33.600 interested in network news they're really not interested in evening network news and they're

01:30:36.960 really not interested in cbs evening network news it will fail as will the entire network

01:30:42.500 boy uh but bear i mean barry makes me respect her a little bit she's obviously a good talker that

01:30:48.420 she convinced the ellisons that cbs news was like totally the way to control american public opinion

01:30:54.280 it's kind of uh it's it's hilarious so what about they too have an agenda and and for their agenda

01:30:59.780 tucker they did hire the right person of course they did but it's completely fruitless and it just shows

01:31:04.620 they may be evil but they're dumb um what about fox i mean so you said at the outset that fox played a

01:31:13.120 huge role in selling the iraq war huge role basically in every pointless conflict we've had for the last

01:31:19.240 30 years and they're doing the same thing with venezuela what's fox's future do you think

01:31:27.020 well i think they're going to be they're going to be in a tough position as soon as trump leaves

01:31:32.340 uh because trump as you know is a ratings machine everybody's interested in trump you know i remember

01:31:37.600 when i was on fox trump would come out and just do a random presser just start talking about anything

01:31:41.280 whether he was a candidate or a president the ratings would go through the roof people just love

01:31:47.400 him they love listening to him he's incredibly compelling he's entertaining he's smart he's very

01:31:51.920 funny he's charming he's self-deprecating he's just like unlike anything you've seen his these pressers

01:31:56.920 he's doing on air force one where he's like you know rolling thunder like who asked me yeah

01:32:00.600 cuba maybe them next yeah it could be you know like yeah that guy needs to watch his ass in

01:32:03.920 colombia highly entertaining no one ever does this you know he got out there when he's talking to

01:32:09.300 house republicans yesterday and he was talking about the transgender uh issue and he was like oh

01:32:13.980 you know the you get the guys come in and they lift the weights like this and you get the women

01:32:17.900 he goes melania hates and i do this she hates when i do this i'm gonna do it you get the women and

01:32:23.060 they're like he's imitating the weak woman trying to live anyway my point is he you gotta love him

01:32:30.180 um because he's funny and he's accessible so that benefits everyone including fox but when trump is

01:32:36.800 gone and we we have anybody in his set i don't care how charming or interesting the next guy is it's

01:32:41.760 not going to be donald trump i think fox news is in a lot of trouble just like the rest of them

01:32:46.240 and i also i also think this is going to hurt them the thing we discussed the fox news of yesteryear

01:32:53.840 which just has a knee-jerk response to things like israel to things like war is out of touch with

01:33:01.180 today's young republicans yes today's under 50 year old conservative men and women are over that

01:33:10.720 they they are they do not want war cheerleaders or israel cheerleaders they have healthy skepticism

01:33:19.780 of both and if fox doesn't start understanding that and making room with its elbow for that kind

01:33:27.840 of coverage to start not just occasionally being spouted on their network but become a serious part

01:33:33.520 of the network the way roger did after trump took over the republican party and started to sort of

01:33:38.500 shove out the more establishment types or at least make room for the new maga types they will fail

01:33:44.580 so they will continue with the murdoch's mission or even with the old roger ailes mission which was

01:33:50.100 very very neocony at their own peril why do they have do you have any guess as to why that's the only

01:33:59.280 issue they won't move on they're pretty flexible they're business people of course and they've they've

01:34:03.860 moved all over the map on a lot of issues but they've never wavered at all on the need for america

01:34:10.540 to be involved in neocon wars why why is that the red line do you think i mean i don't know what kind

01:34:17.360 of holdings they have in the military industrial complex it's worth asking i haven't actually taken

01:34:21.960 a look at the fox news board recently but they have more money than god they don't really need to

01:34:26.060 be beholden to anybody on the money front i do think the israel front is interesting though which is an

01:34:30.700 area that causes creates neocons and most neocons would are defensive of israel and what's happened

01:34:37.260 on israel is it used to be you were golden to just defend israel on everything as a republican

01:34:46.640 like you were expected to do it there was absolutely no downside in doing it and you would

01:34:52.140 only get rewarded for it and it was the one group that these republicans could take money from just so

01:34:57.100 you want to take 25 million from miriam miriam edelson for the east wing renovation no problem

01:35:03.240 no it's gonna give you a hard time she's an american jewish you know entrepreneur like israel we all love

01:35:10.000 israel on the right it's the crazy leftists that don't like israel our side loves them and i do believe

01:35:15.480 that's why you have all these records of people who are like i voted for israel with israel 100 of the

01:35:21.960 time you know ted cruz like i wear like a badge of honor and i do think the murdochs are probably

01:35:28.020 still in that same mindset yes and they do not have their finger on the pulse of the young people

01:35:34.540 who voted trump last time who who are critical in putting him over the line and who have started to

01:35:40.920 turn on that mindset and who do not see israel especially now as totally aligned with american

01:35:48.780 interests and values and let me just say one other thing on it i've been asking myself this

01:35:55.340 question tucker because you you cover foreign policy a lot and always have i it's not really

01:35:59.720 my thing this is not like i don't think people tune in to the mk show because they really want to get

01:36:03.500 the latest on foreign policy you know i cover all domestic news politics law culture all that stuff

01:36:09.380 hard news but i'm not huge on foreign policy i do cover it but it's not my thing like grant glenn

01:36:16.100 greenwald it's his thing he lives for it yeah and he's great at it okay i i do think that even i as

01:36:22.940 i look back i'm like i'm pro-israel i say i'm a pro-israel and i've been asking myself lately like

01:36:28.300 how how like why exactly am i pro-israel and i what i've come up with is well i was raised catholic

01:36:36.120 and you know you're kind of taught from a very young age that there's an alignment judeo-christian

01:36:41.180 values you hear that all the time um you read the old testament you know like all of it and you're

01:36:45.600 sort of thinking okay yes i defend the jews and i'm pro-israel then you get to fox news and it's

01:36:50.980 like of course you are and the republicans all are and you're like okay i accept that you see like

01:36:54.600 they're an important country in the middle east and i believe what they say which is they're in a rough

01:36:58.120 neighborhood and people do want to attack them a lot so you know i i understand it's a free democracy

01:37:03.440 but then you get to the point where you realize oh wait a minute i've been in an organization for 14

01:37:09.520 years of my formative adult life and professional life where i wasn't even encouraged or allowed

01:37:18.180 to question any of that you know it was just spoon-fed and i swallowed it because i didn't

01:37:24.360 really care it wasn't something i was ever really focused on so it's like yeah sure okay we love

01:37:28.680 and only now tucker have i begun to say like wait a minute how much of the narrative that is in our

01:37:37.680 news today has been spoon-fed to me by people who are super pro-israel at all costs who won't tell the

01:37:46.640 truth about israel no matter what it is and will cancel you if you don't don't befriend or defriend

01:37:53.900 people who do and so this whole thing has made me re-evaluate like i'm just starting from square

01:38:00.840 one basically on israel right now and i'm actually day by day taking a much harder look at who are they

01:38:07.360 what do they do how do i find real information on what happened in this war in gaza that i will trust

01:38:12.680 because i do know i'm being propagandized by both sides and how will i make up my own mind even

01:38:18.740 some of the some of the narratives that we hear like i'm i'm not a fan of certainly radical muslims

01:38:25.720 and i'm not a big fan of islam i'm gonna be honest the tenets of it are political and i don't agree

01:38:29.620 with them but i have dear friends who are muslims and i do start to wonder like how much of the very

01:38:36.060 negative messaging about all muslims and i've been a part of some of that negative messaging don't get

01:38:40.580 me wrong i'm not i'm not wavering from my position that like it's not great to have

01:38:44.040 an islamist running new york city but how much of the narrative has come from people who are just

01:38:51.680 ardently pro-israel and need me to hate them do you know what i mean all of it so i think it's a

01:38:57.920 fair question and i'm sort of in my own search mode on that subject and others right now i think lying is

01:39:04.340 lying is what changes the calculation so right after 9-11 brit hume and carl cameron did an amazing

01:39:10.340 week-long series on the dancing israelis the israeli intel operatives who were arrested right

01:39:14.640 across from ground zero celebrating the falling of the building and then all these israeli intel

01:39:21.320 operatives were swept up in the united states they've been following the hijackers across the

01:39:24.660 country was a big story and brit and carl did this whole series on special report for a week and it

01:39:30.920 was really interesting super interesting and factual fox news deleted it from the website act like it never

01:39:37.080 happened and i remember thinking why would you was was it incorrect no it was not incorrect it was

01:39:42.040 correct that's why they took it off and then i watched judge napolitano who's over at fox business

01:39:46.100 get fired and i know why he was fired for criticizing israel and under the previous regime they got the

01:39:53.600 call got to fire him and they did and i remember thinking that's not fair play if you disagree with his

01:39:58.400 views in israel tell them or if you think that brit and carl did something wrong in their series on the

01:40:03.480 dancing israelis tell us what it was no it was just eliminated it never happened it was shut it

01:40:08.660 down and i don't think that's fair that's not first of all it's not journalism second it's just

01:40:12.760 inherently dishonest and third it suggests like why are you doing that like what is there that you're

01:40:17.640 trying to hide from public view and that's when my mind started to change a little bit

01:40:21.900 i don't know what the what the stake is i really don't know you would know the board better than i would

01:40:27.780 but i do i think it's mostly rooted in the fact that it was always fine with absolutely no downside

01:40:33.360 to just be completely in the tank for israel and i don't think they've moved out of that mindset and

01:40:38.040 i think they're going to learn the hard way that they need to because look let's not let's not let's

01:40:43.540 be straight about it the average age of the cable news viewer is somewhere between 68 and 72 um that's not

01:40:51.200 the key advertising demo and that's not going to keep the lights on for very long no um they're going to

01:40:57.420 have to find a way to appeal to younger viewers and unlike our business where a download is a

01:41:02.420 download you know you we really ironically our business which probably does appeal to more young

01:41:06.800 people doesn't depend on young versus old does it literally it's just like a click is a click a

01:41:11.120 download is a download their business actually does depend on the key advertising demo of 25 to 54

01:41:16.940 year olds and that is only going to dwindle further if they are just knee-jerk defensive of

01:41:22.520 israel without giving any voice to its critics those days have passed and you can thank israel for

01:41:29.240 it i mean they've just completed this two-year war and nobody would have begrudged them for fighting

01:41:32.680 back after 10-7 but it went on too long it was too brutal it expanded into too many different countries

01:41:39.760 and then ultimately it dragged us in and and exposed us in a way that again sort of like what we're

01:41:46.080 watching in venezuela we still we don't know what the long-term effects of the bombing of iran will be

01:41:51.380 let's hope we've escaped unscathed but we don't know so i i just think it's too late israel's too

01:41:57.480 controversial many many people said to them including trump months before the iraq or the

01:42:02.820 israel gaza war wrapped up stop it's got to wrap up now it's gone too far and netanyahu was going to

01:42:09.160 take it further even than he did trump had to basically grab him in a headlock and say stop would

01:42:14.480 you just take the win just stop just like we're declaring victory it's a ceasefire take the w and

01:42:21.200 he only did it because trump basically threatened him that he had to but i that that whole thing has

01:42:25.680 turned young people off they've seen again it feels like just a thirst for too much and even israel's

01:42:32.860 numbers acknowledge tens of thousands of gazans have been killed and of course that includes an

01:42:40.400 untold number of civilians and women and children and i i saw the dead israelis at the bus stop i saw

01:42:46.140 the dead children i saw the celebrations of the rape of the women i excused none of that by the

01:42:50.860 disgusting hamas terrorists but the answer was not then to respond with the deaths of civilians which i

01:42:58.680 know they say they try to prevent but you know what you didn't you didn't in large enough numbers

01:43:02.460 and you really turned a generation against you there isn't a single democrat in america that's pro

01:43:07.900 israel right now they've lost all the independents over 70 percent and as i point out the the young

01:43:13.420 people under 50 in the republican party you can see it in the polls and you can see it anecdotally

01:43:17.320 in your business and mine have turned and are turning on israel so fox news continues as it has been

01:43:23.500 at its own peril yeah well it'll be a well-deserved end as far as i'm concerned megan kelly thank you for

01:43:30.580 your wise assessment of everything we just talked about it's great to see you and you're killing it and i'm

01:43:35.320 just i'm proud to be your friend so thank you right back at you tucker it's a pleasure and i look

01:43:40.760 forward to never defriending you good well i'm grateful thank you megan see you soon see ya

01:43:47.800 thank you very much we'll be back next wednesday

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 08, 2026

Megyn Kelly on Venezuela, Ben Shapiro’s Treachery, and Mark Levin’s Mental Illness

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