The Tucker Carlson Show - Mike Benz： The CIA’s Use of NGOs to Coup Foreign Governments, and How They’re Doing It to Trump

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00:00:29.100 The U.S. Institute of Peace was, think of it like the National Endowment for Democracy.

00:00:34.080 Is George Orwell in charge of naming these groups?

00:00:36.520 National Endowment for Democracy subverts democracy.

00:00:39.140 All these peace groups are like aggressively anti-peace.

00:00:42.240 You can check out these protests online.

00:00:43.860 They're hilarious.

00:00:44.560 It's people protesting in the streets so that they are not allowed to know foreign funding

00:00:50.460 of their own societies.

00:00:52.280 Put the blindfolders on me.

00:00:53.700 I am not allowed to know whether that is funded by a foreign government and how much is funding.

00:00:57.900 The CIA was running an initiative to control the education space during the Cold War to stop

00:01:05.080 the spread of communist sympathizing teachings and curricula.

00:01:08.760 All this was repurposed against right-wing populism when Trump won in 2016.

00:01:13.080 I noticed.

00:01:13.640 According to George Soros, the Open Society Foundation was to provide basically a tax loophole for his

00:01:19.020 kids, and it became such a powerful force in Washington that we had to synchronize U.S.

00:01:25.120 foreign policy with the foreign policy set out by the Open Society Foundation.

00:01:29.340 NGOs, you hear the term all the time.

00:01:52.360 And in fact, the deeper you look into almost any news story, especially one that pertains

00:01:58.700 to the destruction of Western civilization in the United States, you find something called

00:02:02.680 an NGO at the bottom of the story.

00:02:05.800 NGO stands for non-governmental organization.

00:02:08.740 But paradoxically, NGOs feel like a parallel government to me.

00:02:14.360 You've done a lot of research on this.

00:02:15.860 I don't think this topic's talked about enough, so I'm just going to stand back and let you

00:02:18.860 explain what an NGO is, where they came from, and what role they occupy in the modern West.

00:02:27.100 Yeah.

00:02:27.700 NGOs are the stem cell of the government's central nervous system.

00:02:33.100 They are this highly flexible tool, just like a stem cell can transform into any of the 220

00:02:39.860 different cell types in the human body, and they self-renew, and they can generate all these

00:02:45.760 new neurons.

00:02:47.860 That is really, you can't disentangle or really separate the government from the non-governmental

00:02:54.120 organizations.

00:02:55.660 This started in its origin really with the creation of the U.S. income tax in 1913, and then in

00:03:03.860 1917, contributions to charitable organizations, to 501c3s as we now know it, became tax deductible

00:03:14.520 from this new income tax.

00:03:16.620 And so that gave rise to this money flow into private foundations and into nonprofit organizations

00:03:25.680 that would come to play a large role in both World Wars, but in particular World War II, when

00:03:32.720 humanitarian relief began to be a big part of OSS and the predecessor to the CIA and military

00:03:42.680 financial assistance to groups afflicted by World War II, and then in particular during

00:03:51.520 the Marshall Plan after World War II, NGOs played a key role in being a deniable front to run

00:03:59.500 money, to establish contacts, and to provide direction and guidance to groups that the U.S.

00:04:06.960 government did not want to be caught necessarily doing directly.

00:04:10.780 And so you can trace this back, really, you have all these charities.

00:04:15.360 They were fronts, a lot of them, or at least in part.

00:04:17.920 So it's a complicated relationship because you have government agencies, and then you have

00:04:24.760 outside high net worth individuals and families, dynastic American families, like the Fords, 0.93

00:04:32.820 the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, all starting these private philanthropies, all playing a

00:04:39.300 role in U.S. statecraft, all having international businesses that rely on foreign markets.

00:04:44.980 And so they're highly dependent on the State Department clearing the way for them, negotiating

00:04:49.860 deals for them, acquiring territory, creating export markets, maintaining laws in foreign

00:04:56.640 countries that maximize profitability, securing mining rights, securing trade routes.

00:05:02.760 So there's this complex interplay.

00:05:04.920 This is why I always call, so the story is really about, I don't really think of it as

00:05:10.980 a government being different than an NGO, as being different than this corporate financial

00:05:17.140 overclass.

00:05:17.840 When I use the term, the blob, which is not my term, that was a term from Obama's deputy

00:05:25.800 national security advisor, Ben Rhodes, to describe a force within Washington that was bigger than

00:05:30.900 the White House, that the Obama White House felt like it couldn't get its foreign policy done

00:05:35.400 because this foreign policy establishment, this blob structure seemed to be more powerful than

00:05:40.420 that.

00:05:40.920 But I think of the blob as having three levels to it.

00:05:45.060 You have the guts of it inside the government, which is the State Department, the Defense

00:05:51.080 Department, the Intelligence Community, and USAID.

00:05:54.940 You can think of it, Hillary Clinton would call this the 3D model, diplomacy, defense, and 0.99

00:06:00.860 development.

00:06:01.860 And then the IC plays, the CIA, for example, plays a supporting role in those functions.

00:06:07.280 And these are all merged together as one cohesive way of advancing U.S. foreign policy, is what

00:06:14.160 we call it.

00:06:14.720 But it's really advancing the interests of, generally speaking, insiders or national champions

00:06:22.400 like our large multinational corporations.

00:06:25.120 But bring this back.

00:06:26.080 So you have this government structure in the center of it.

00:06:29.560 And then below that, you have the NGOs who are funded by the U.S. government and who work

00:06:35.200 alongside the U.S. government and have a longer reach than the U.S. government.

00:06:39.400 The State Department can't just walk into certain conflict zones and talk to the indigenous

00:06:46.160 community and get honest answers or tell them what to do without being on the record saying

00:06:50.920 something they might not want attributed to them.

00:06:53.380 The NGOs can go in and do that.

00:06:56.360 The NGOs can serve as the back channels for diplomacy.

00:06:59.240 The NGOs can provide a plausible way of providing financial assistance or money or bribes to various

00:07:06.620 groups to run shipments and arms and to create networks of assets that then an assistant secretary

00:07:17.820 of state can then liaise with.

00:07:19.680 So there's this network creation level and there's this influence level at the bottom.

00:07:25.820 But above that, above that government level is what I call the donor drafter class, which

00:07:31.880 is, you know, everyone understands the concept of big donors having a big influence on politics.

00:07:38.700 Not only do they largely play the key role in determining who's president through the funding

00:07:47.040 that they provide, but they I say donor drafter because they draft off the policies off of

00:07:54.080 the U.S.

00:07:54.580 government.

00:07:54.900 They don't just donate into it.

00:07:56.360 Like in a bike race, you always want to be not in first.

00:08:00.180 You want to be right behind the guy in first so that the guy in first is cutting the wind

00:08:04.500 for you so that you don't suffer the costs of the the extra exertion to cut cut the wind.

00:08:11.320 The Pentagon cuts the wind for companies, for multinational corporations.

00:08:16.280 The State Department cuts the wind for multinational corporations and private equity funds and the

00:08:21.300 whole financial overclass.

00:08:23.840 The CIA cuts the wind for corporations and financial firms.

00:08:29.180 The USAID cuts the wind.

00:08:31.500 And so you have these figures like George Soros, for example, and Bill Gates, who are now obviously

00:08:41.720 very well renowned in the NGO world, the Open Society Foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates

00:08:46.340 Foundation, and then also, you know, Rockefeller, Carney, Carnegie Foundation, Ford Foundation,

00:08:52.520 all of these, all of these have corporations and financial firms attached to their philanthropy.

00:08:57.980 And when they, so they will receive funding from the U.S. government, from USAID, or their

00:09:06.700 portfolio assets will, or their portfolio NGOs or companies will, but they will also donate into it.

00:09:14.080 And I bring this up because oftentimes they are paid by the government, but oftentimes they're

00:09:20.660 actually paying into a government project that advances some other interest.

00:09:24.120 And I can go through a bunch of examples of this, but maybe I'll come back to the history

00:09:28.880 real, real quick.

00:09:30.580 So in 1948, this was the start of the intelligence state in America.

00:09:37.560 It was NSC 10-2 authored by George Kennan, which gave the CIA its plausible deniability doctrine

00:09:44.560 that allowed you to, that allowed the CIA to have a license to lie.

00:09:49.700 The CIA came into creation.

00:09:53.180 I'll just take a quick swig here.

00:09:58.720 The CIA was created because the State Department wanted dirty deeds done without being attributed

00:10:05.360 to the State Department.

00:10:06.700 So they needed some outside agency, which could do what, what George Kennan called two months

00:10:13.720 before he authored the plausible deniability doctrine in NSC 10-2.

00:10:18.600 He called this the inauguration of organized political warfare.

00:10:22.420 This is a very little known memo that was not declassified, I believe, until 2005.

00:10:27.320 It was written in 1948.

00:10:30.500 Everyone knows George Kennan as the head of the policy planning staff at the State Department,

00:10:36.340 as the author of the containment strategy, Russia in the Cold War, one of the most celebrated

00:10:41.540 folks in U.S. diplomacy history.

00:10:44.420 But two months before granting this license to do all this, to have the CIA operate through

00:10:51.020 NGOs, through civil society organizations, through private foundations, through, you know,

00:10:56.640 these astroturf grassroots advocacy, non-profits.

00:11:03.080 He wrote this memo called The Inauguration of Organized Political Warfare.

00:11:08.000 And he argues that this is now April 1948.

00:11:12.520 We had just effectively rigged the 1948 Italian election, April 18th, 1948.

00:11:19.560 We had wanted, this was the first democratic election in Italy, which after World War II had

00:11:27.600 ended.

00:11:28.360 And we had pitted basically a pro-U.S., pro-Western democracy candidate versus a pro-Soviet autocracy

00:11:38.640 candidate was how it was pitched.

00:11:40.320 And the very first national security memo, 1-1, was on the central importance of Italy

00:11:48.920 to the U.S. position at the dawn of the Cold War, and that we could not afford to lose this

00:11:54.780 election.

00:11:56.180 And so the very first covert action of the Central Intelligence Agency, because under the

00:12:02.280 1947 Act, it was largely conceived of as being an intelligence collection agency, not so much

00:12:08.260 operations.

00:12:09.080 The CIA has two different career tracks.

00:12:12.020 Intelligence, you know, they call it the analyst track and the operations track.

00:12:16.560 And they're very different breeds of people.

00:12:18.480 They're very, very different in what they do.

00:12:20.460 One of them, you know, you collect the intelligence and you synthesize it for policymakers at the

00:12:24.700 State Department or at the White House National Security Council.

00:12:27.480 A lot of reading, a lot of foreign websites.

00:12:29.220 Yes.

00:12:29.500 A lot of academics.

00:12:30.560 Yeah.

00:12:32.100 And the operations is where you get, you know, the berry seal, cocaine cowboy types. 0.67

00:12:36.660 And, you know, these, you know, the kind of wild folks who go in and do the dirty work to

00:12:44.800 overthrow democratically elected governments or to do the...

00:12:47.960 So when people talk about the CIA, they're talking about the director of operations, really.

00:12:51.220 Yeah.

00:12:51.460 That's what people, in the popular imagination, that's what a CIA officer is.

00:12:55.200 True.

00:12:55.680 Although John Brennan was an analyst track his whole career.

00:12:58.760 And, you know, I don't know that that makes a more charitable case than the operations side.

00:13:05.500 But the fact is, is Kennan writes this memo in 1948, 12 days after the U.S. had rigged the Italian election in 1948.

00:13:15.940 And that's what it was.

00:13:17.600 Miles Copeland, who was one of the leaders of that from the CIA side, wrote in a biography later in his life that without CIA intervention in that election, we would have lost 60 to 40.

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00:13:33.600 Stuart Copeland.

00:13:34.460 Well, and Miles Copeland, the...

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00:17:03.220 What happens is, in the 1948 election, the CIA, which did not really have the authorization to do what it did,

00:17:13.180 it was a last-minute, last-ditch, Hail Mary effort to swing the election,

00:17:17.860 and they took the assets that they had had from World War II, backing, you know,

00:17:24.380 at that time, the OSS, the War Department, before it, in 1948, had changed to the Defense Department.

00:17:30.920 The War Department had worked closely with the Vatican, with the church, as well as with mafia organizations,

00:17:38.660 organized crime factions in Italy that were being prosecuted by Mussolini, and we were teamed up with them.

00:17:46.780 They gave us access to ports, to infrastructure, to safe houses.

00:17:52.180 They were a big network, pro-U.S. network node during World War II, and because of their influence on unions,

00:18:00.840 they allowed us to run arms, run transshipments of supplies, food, assistance, all of that,

00:18:09.400 which is one of the reasons that the Italian mafia was protected for 60 years.

00:18:14.680 It was very much a Cold War asset for the U.S.

00:18:19.400 So the CIA achieves this successful result in April 1948, and they do so by using NGOs.

00:18:27.260 They use charity fronts.

00:18:29.400 They use philanthropic foundations to funnel money and assistance in.

00:18:35.760 They work through the unions and the trade-labor associations,

00:18:39.040 which are civil society organizations that you can consider in the NGO fold.

00:18:44.360 They work through all of these charities, foundations, nonprofits, the NGO sphere,

00:18:50.620 in order to run this election rigging in 1948.

00:18:55.840 So 12 days later, George Kennan writes a memo from the U.S. State Department

00:19:00.520 called the Inauguration of Organized Political Warfare.

00:19:02.820 And everyone can look this up online.

00:19:04.940 And he lays out how this is the model blueprint for the American power in the 20th century,

00:19:11.820 and that we need to overcome the basic distinction between peace and war that Americans have long

00:19:17.560 believed there was, because the average American does not understand the intricacies of international

00:19:22.840 relations.

00:19:23.460 And if we don't seize this initiative to build an organized political warfare apparatus through

00:19:32.200 this State Department intelligence function, then we will lose the American century.

00:19:38.560 We'll lose the 20th century to the Bolsheviks or to the British, who each have their own 1.00

00:19:45.580 Department of Dirty Tricks.

00:19:47.600 And so it goes on to say that this is a State Department function.

00:19:50.520 Ideally, it would be within a State Department Bureau of Political Warfare.

00:19:57.540 So I think what the Director of Political Warfare is what they wanted to call this until

00:20:00.980 they decided.

00:20:02.560 And in the memo, he says that there are problems with this, which is that because the State

00:20:06.340 Department provides a public audit of its funds, we would not be able to conceal these

00:20:12.020 funds in the State Department budget.

00:20:13.920 So it might be ideal to have an outside intelligence agency to take on this function.

00:20:20.300 And that's why two months later, the CIA was given the plausible deniability doctrine and

00:20:26.080 delegated these powers by that very author, George Kennan.

00:20:30.160 But at the back of this memo are fascinating exhibits of contemplated ways to structure recommendations

00:20:38.900 and proposals for structuring this CIA intelligence work through NGOs.

00:20:45.760 And it includes creating, for example, voluntary councils of an outside organization that would

00:20:54.280 nominally look to the public like it was a grassroots organization that is helmed by fine,

00:21:01.480 upstanding members of the American establishment or people in great repute.

00:21:09.040 He actually uses the line, members of the American business community of the caliber of

00:21:14.380 Allen Dulles.

00:21:15.220 Of course, Allen Dulles was the CIA chief, but they would.

00:21:19.300 A true criminal.

00:21:21.260 Right.

00:21:21.820 And, you know, in the time his brother was running the State Department.

00:21:24.580 But and it goes on to say that it would look to the world like it's an NGO, but it would

00:21:31.240 be it would receive funding from the CIA.

00:21:35.280 It would receive guidance from the CIA and it would constantly coordinate.

00:21:40.720 And it was at that very year that the term NGO really became a codified term when when

00:21:48.900 the term non-governmental organization was entered into the charter of the UN Declaration on Human

00:21:55.940 Rights in 1948, where the Economic and Social Council was directed to coordinate everything

00:22:05.020 it did with with NGOs.

00:22:08.240 And that's that's really the sort of etymology of that term in terms of its explosions when the

00:22:12.900 UN codified that term.

00:22:15.480 And that's what essentially set off this NGO arms race, this proliferation of cells within

00:22:24.540 American statecraft, the American business community, within the American intelligence

00:22:29.080 community, the national security community to each create their own cellular circuitry in

00:22:35.000 order to advance their interests.

00:22:37.040 And I can get sort of deeper into that story if you'd like.

00:22:41.320 I can just take it from history there to there to present.

00:22:44.140 But I'd feel remiss if I didn't also note that there's a government and there's a business

00:22:50.760 side of it.

00:22:51.820 And the thing that I think a lot of people are missing in this story, in the attempt to

00:22:55.660 take on the rogue elements of the NGO plex is that last time we talked, I it was right

00:23:03.980 after USAID had announced its closure.

00:23:07.140 And I took what a lot of people I think thought was a somber tone on that, that I was celebrating

00:23:16.080 at shutdown, but I was braced for impact about the ramifications of of this and how it might

00:23:24.400 play out.

00:23:25.700 And I think I use the term that, you know, this is necessary to do this open heart surgery.

00:23:30.600 We also have to ensure that the patient doesn't die on the operating table just because it's

00:23:35.340 the right diagnosis doesn't mean, you know, you can set it and forget it.

00:23:40.160 If you don't midwife the process diligently, you could kill the entire American empire. 1.00

00:23:44.560 And I, I, I bring up that point here because it's not just American intelligence and American

00:23:52.480 statecraft and, you know, the state department, the DOD, the CIA, it's also virtually every

00:24:00.140 single major international corporation that we consider to be American that is wrapped up

00:24:07.400 in this NGO plex.

00:24:09.880 And if you, um, and, and I can go through examples of how that manifests, but I can't

00:24:16.880 think of a single industry on that's domiciled in America that people think of as, as great

00:24:25.980 American companies that is not deeply connected to the NGO plex.

00:24:30.740 And in some respects, um, dependent on the NGO plex to secure their markets.

00:24:36.920 To secure, uh, their, you know, their profitability, uh, to secure their revenues, to, to secure

00:24:44.040 their interests.

00:24:45.480 And while we are taking on the NGO plex, there's also this, and now they're going to make their

00:24:53.940 voices heard through lobbying, through pressuring Congress.

00:24:57.160 And this is what we're seeing.

00:24:58.300 The Congress is now looking like they're not going to codify these doge cuts.

00:25:02.260 We saw 26, I think Republican members of Congress who are saying they're not going to approve

00:25:06.860 the doge cuts around USAID.

00:25:09.960 Um, but a lot of this is, I think to, to find the solution that is politically possible, you

00:25:18.920 have to understand, I guess, how the whole ecosystem works in order to provide, offer solutions that

00:25:26.620 might have political viability.

00:25:28.140 If that, if, if that makes sense.

00:25:29.800 Of course, of course it does.

00:25:32.520 Um, so non-governmental is actually a sort of misleading description because they're

00:25:37.740 para-governmental.

00:25:38.740 Yes.

00:25:38.880 It sounds like.

00:25:39.640 Yes.

00:25:40.120 You know, they're not, I mean, we're led to believe they're like, you know, doctors without

00:25:44.040 borders or whatever, you know, that, which I'm not against for the record, but like whatever

00:25:47.760 the famous NGO is going into South Sudan to save people, they're acting totally independent.

00:25:54.220 They're non-governmental, but that, as you just described so capably that, uh, that's

00:26:00.860 a lie.

00:26:01.200 Well, this sort of gets down to the stem cell concept and what type of NGO cell type you're

00:26:07.280 talking about.

00:26:08.640 I'll give you a couple examples.

00:26:10.260 So there are these para-governmental ones, like take, for example, the Open Society Foundation

00:26:16.100 started in 1979.

00:26:19.160 According to George Soros, it was to provide a, basically a tax loophole for his kids.

00:26:23.880 That was the idea that he said.

00:26:25.780 And then it quickly became wrapped up with the U S state department operating in all of

00:26:31.740 the major cold war hubs, especially in Eastern Europe, uh, and fomenting.

00:26:37.840 The turnover of those governments so that they would break away from the Soviet union and

00:26:42.220 join, join the U S and Hungary, Romania, Poland, uh, you know, the, the whole, the whole

00:26:49.040 litany.

00:26:50.620 And meanwhile, he was running the, the, you know, the quantum fund and his George Soros

00:26:55.800 management fund that was speculating on the foreign currencies of all these governments.

00:27:01.160 So while he's working with the state department and the central intelligence agency and every

00:27:05.660 U S embassy and every country in Eastern Europe, and using this foundation, this, this network

00:27:12.320 to influence the course of those events so that their governments would flip.

00:27:17.860 He's using his hedge fund to speculate way before anyone knows that this is, this movement

00:27:25.480 is even being cultivated by the state department and by his own nonprofits.

00:27:30.540 He's speculating on the, the direction of those currencies.

00:27:33.780 So he's got insider trading knowledge of everything that's going to happen in these countries while

00:27:39.740 he's betting on it.

00:27:40.560 It's sort of like the Nancy Pelosi stock, you know, tracker type, type of thing.

00:27:44.920 But by, by the 1990s, the open society foundation had become such a powerful force in Washington

00:27:51.980 that, uh, bill Clinton's deputy secretary of state, I think it was strobe Talbot who said,

00:27:59.820 um, we think of the open society foundation as being a independent, but allied partner country

00:28:09.220 like the UK or France or Germany.

00:28:12.520 And so we work closely with the open society foundation.

00:28:17.060 We consider them an ally, uh, but we have to synchronize us foreign policy with the foreign

00:28:24.460 policy set out by the open society foundation.

00:28:28.000 This is a quote.

00:28:28.760 Everyone can look this up.

00:28:29.660 It's, it's on my timeline on X.

00:28:32.160 Um, but so this is in the 1990s, 30 years ago at this point, us foreign policy is being

00:28:38.600 synchronized with the George Soros policy recommendations.

00:28:43.740 And a lot of this is because it's not just that George Soros is the largest donor to the

00:28:49.200 Democrat party.

00:28:49.940 And, you know, Bill Clinton was obviously the Democrat president.

00:28:53.340 George Soros, you know, provided two and a half times more than any other single individual

00:28:57.580 to the Democrats in the last election cycle.

00:29:01.340 But it's that in, in this, just this last election cycle for Joe Biden, a hundred million

00:29:05.840 dollars.

00:29:06.320 I think the second largest was 40.

00:29:08.600 That's crazy.

00:29:09.980 Yeah.

00:29:11.100 Um, and, uh, although that may be the 2020 election, actually, that I'm referring to

00:29:15.980 the, with those numbers, because I think those were the numbers in 2024 pre-election.

00:29:20.020 So that may have been the 2020 election cycle, but I'm sure it's comparable for 2024.

00:29:24.620 But so the other part of it though, is that the Soros foundation.

00:29:31.660 So it drafts off of those policies and I can give you some crazy examples of this.

00:29:36.380 Uh, uh, uh, in Mongolia is a, is an, is a particularly perfect example of this. 0.93

00:29:42.760 Um, but we'll come back to that in a sec.

00:29:45.780 So it's not just that Soros donates to the political candidates who's running for president,

00:29:53.560 who's running for attorney general, or who's running for district attorney.

00:29:57.340 It's that the Soros foundation is also a co-investor and a co-sponsor in government initiatives and

00:30:04.460 government projects.

00:30:05.500 At USAID, you will frequently find almost constantly find that the open society foundation is a donor

00:30:15.120 into USAID initiatives, a donor into state department initiatives.

00:30:21.420 And this is what you frequently see when a government agency cannot get sufficient funds allocated from

00:30:28.500 Congress.

00:30:29.220 They need to reach into the NGO sphere or into the private sector with multinational companies

00:30:37.180 to effectively co-sponsor and provide the top-up capital to get the amount of money they need

00:30:43.820 to run this operation.

00:30:45.520 That's legal.

00:30:46.700 Not only is it, can I just fund a war if I want?

00:30:49.620 Can I just like send a check to the Pentagon to buy more?

00:30:52.420 I mean, I can, we can have privately funded government.

00:30:55.200 Yeah.

00:30:55.800 We've had it since the banana wars.

00:30:57.640 We've, you know, we've, we've had, uh, we've had this relationship for in Honduras.

00:31:02.880 Yeah.

00:31:03.240 Honduras, Guatemala.

00:31:04.640 This is, this has been a constant feature of American statecraft, uh, you know, almost

00:31:12.040 since the beginning, which is that you have a, you have a government national security interest

00:31:17.500 or a government commercial national interest, but then you also have the profiteers of those

00:31:25.020 of that government action in the private sector and the for-profit space.

00:31:30.120 And also at the NGO layer, to the extent that they're getting funded to do this work, or

00:31:35.100 it satisfies the, the wants of the sponsors of the NGOs.

00:31:39.620 So, and this is what war is a racket was about.

00:31:41.900 If, you know, the Smedley Butler 1936, you know, book about how, you know, all of the major

00:31:48.340 multinational corporations were on the take for world war one, all of them were on the

00:31:52.920 take for, you know, when he's talking about how he toppled governments in South America

00:31:57.600 for, um, you know, uh, what was it, uh, city national bank and, uh, you know, the, the

00:32:04.340 petroleum companies and United fruit and, you know, the, the, but may I ask, I mean, yes.

00:32:11.560 I mean, of course I knew that I read it, but I didn't understand that they are not only

00:32:15.580 the beneficiaries of these policies, but also the funders of the policies.

00:32:19.240 Yes, yes.

00:32:20.260 So, but that, the problem with that conceptually is that it puts, it's all beyond democratic

00:32:25.060 control.

00:32:26.640 There's no, I mean, that's like, there's no way to vote out, you know, whoever, George

00:32:33.460 Soros or Larry Fink or whatever.

00:32:35.940 There's just kind of, right?

00:32:37.580 Right.

00:32:38.080 Well, it's a tectonic plate.

00:32:40.520 It's, it's something that shapes the fabric of what we consider democracy to be.

00:32:45.900 And it's, and, and I think arming everyone in America with a, with the knowledge of that

00:32:54.280 topography can shape the kinds of democratic action that you propose.

00:32:59.820 Give me an example.

00:33:01.120 I mean, this was just yesterday.

00:33:03.380 Um, the nation of El Salvador announced a 30% tax on every, on all foreign funding of

00:33:12.020 domestic NGOs within El Salvador.

00:33:13.980 This is a shot heard around the world.

00:33:16.620 There've been many attempts by countries to contain the NGO plex.

00:33:19.880 Yeah.

00:33:20.020 Most famously in Hungary, Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia, every time they've been confronted with,

00:33:25.900 um, street protests and, uh, attempts to, uh, pressure the parliament using civil disobedience

00:33:34.260 in the same sort of, uh, state department, USAID Soros foundation type rent a riots.

00:33:40.680 We saw, saw that in Slovakia, Serbia, in Hungary, when they passed their, um, NGO transparency

00:33:47.780 bill, it was blocked by the EU.

00:33:50.420 Uh, the EU intervened and said that you cannot enforce this NGO transparency law because what?

00:33:58.040 Yes.

00:33:58.540 Yes.

00:33:59.620 Um, and they threatened to cut them off of EU funding.

00:34:02.360 If they, Hungarians aren't allowed to know where the money's coming from into their own 1.00

00:34:05.600 country.

00:34:05.920 Yeah.

00:34:06.860 Yeah.

00:34:07.420 They called it the Russian law, by the way.

00:34:09.620 The Russia law.

00:34:10.680 Yeah.

00:34:12.440 It's bad.

00:34:13.140 Therefore it's Russian. 0.92

00:34:13.780 Well, the idea was Russia had banned USAID had banned the national down for democracy. 0.88

00:34:19.680 If you, I think in 2015, around then, this was after the pussy riot incident, you know, this 0.99

00:34:25.600 is sort of a little bit pre Navalny when they, when the regime change was sort of from the

00:34:31.200 right wing national side, we attempted to sort of left wing, you know, left wing Antifa type

00:34:36.920 coup in Russia through, um, you know, the whole pussy riot and associated. 0.98

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00:37:03.800 But what happened was is after all this stuff, Russia passed this, you know, basically banned

00:37:09.740 foreign NGOs or at least banned a huge subset and required all these, you know, this transparency

00:37:17.280 around it.

00:37:17.920 And so when Hungary and Slovakia and Serbia and all these Eastern European countries who

00:37:27.300 were in the post-Soviet orbit tried to pass transparency laws so that they could get a sense of how much

00:37:36.340 of their own civil society cellular body was actually foreign assets of a foreign government, this was

00:37:45.880 called, these were referred to as Russian laws, the Russian law, because Russia had done this.

00:37:52.460 But think about this.

00:37:54.280 This is so insane.

00:37:55.480 I don't.

00:37:55.760 But but but think about that framing and you see and you can check it, check out these protests online.

00:38:02.740 They're hilarious.

00:38:03.180 It's people protesting in the streets so that they are not allowed to know foreign funding of their own societies.

00:38:11.600 I demand I will I I am not allowed to know put the blindfolders on me.

00:38:17.720 I am not allowed to know that whether the newspapers I read, whether the union I'm a part of, whether the lawyers association I'm a part of, whether the the private company that pays my paycheck, whether the public health sector, my hospitals,

00:38:33.540 whether that is funded by a foreign government and how much how much is funding.

00:38:36.980 And, you know, the Russians are not complaining about that because the money is not coming largely from if if the money was largely coming from the Russians, the EU and the U.S. State Department would be demanding this.

00:38:50.900 We have this in the United States.

00:38:52.220 It's called a FARA registration, the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

00:38:56.220 We consider that to be a criminal violation where you can spend five years in jail if you if you don't file a FARA registration.

00:39:05.200 But if Hungary or Serbia or Slovakia tries to pass a Foreign Agent Registrations Act law there, we call that an attack on democracy.

00:39:14.400 Why? Because it reveals it takes the mask off of the NGO plex and and reflects and shows to the people what it really is.

00:39:24.340 It is the long arm of U.S. intelligence is the long arm of U.S. statecraft and is the long arm of that corporate financial donor drafter class with all of their own secular private.

00:39:37.020 What if I could just interject and say, you know, what I find so infuriating is that none of this helps the America that I live in or want to live in.

00:39:46.180 I mean, a lot of the agendas being pushed are not just like, you know, we want to grow our bananas in your banana favorable climate or we want cheaper coffee or, you know, we want your oil fields.

00:39:57.240 It's like pushing stuff that is just terrible, awful, like blowing up families, attacking Christianity.

00:40:04.360 It's like, why does it have to be that, too?

00:40:06.680 Why that agenda?

00:40:07.560 This is where it gets really complicated.

00:40:10.040 The idea behind this positive synergy between the corporate sponsored NGOs and the government sponsored NGOs and them all working together as a common blob was that if we secure American business in a country, American contracts, American rights to minerals or American rights to mines.

00:40:40.040 We're boxing out the Russians and the Chinese. 1.00

00:40:42.320 I get it.

00:40:43.260 That's not a crazy goal.

00:40:44.440 It's not a crazy goal.

00:40:46.040 It's it's and that, however, gives a license to some of the dirtiest stuff and and this total profiteering, especially because the multinational corporations have no foot.

00:41:02.100 We're still living in Milton Friedman land.

00:41:04.060 And this is something Milton Friedman was a huge influence on me as a kid.

00:41:07.280 Huge, huge, huge.

00:41:08.180 I want me to all 10 hours.

00:41:10.020 Of free to choose.

00:41:12.700 I think he's an incredibly I think he's a high integrity guy and he means what he says.

00:41:19.080 But I think he fooled a lot of conservatives with this concept of maximizing total shareholder value, which is now codified effectively, you know, into into our corporate law that you have.

00:41:32.940 It's the law.

00:41:33.920 The law.

00:41:34.400 You have a statutory.

00:41:35.220 You have a duty.

00:41:36.340 Oh, yeah.

00:41:36.600 Maximize total shareholder value.

00:41:38.860 That does not mean value for Americans.

00:41:40.980 When your markets are abroad and your labor is abroad and your factories are abroad, but you are getting billions of dollars from the U.S.

00:41:53.200 government to advance your own private interests.

00:41:56.200 And you are toppling many solid parts of the world order to do so.

00:42:02.920 You're overthrowing governments, you're bribing media, you're controlling organized crime groups and conflict zones and all narco trafficking, all of the dirty work that goes into making the sausage in a lot of these countries. 0.94

00:42:19.420 It's not trickling down, you know, per Ronald Reagan to the people that live there.

00:42:27.220 These companies all got extremely rich while the heartland turned into the Rust Belt.

00:42:32.860 That's right.

00:42:33.120 And, you know, so to me, it's no surprise when you see that John Bolton on Piers Morgan held up his USAID hand grenade when he was the head of USAID policy and budget under Ronald Reagan.

00:42:45.720 He showed this a few months ago on Piers Morgan that his parting gift from USAID after he left running the policy and budget there.

00:42:53.900 John Bolton, humanitarian assistance guy, was a USAID hand grenade.

00:43:01.360 So that was the parting gift they gave him, a golden hand grenade with his name engraved in it.

00:43:05.920 But that is.

00:43:07.520 And what did that imply?

00:43:09.540 That he was trying to blow up USAID or that he was that they're, in fact, using force?

00:43:14.460 I think the idea was that, you know, they are hard charging about it, I think.

00:43:20.720 But, you know, what it represents to me is this development defense, you know, they call it the three Ds, the diplomacy, defense, development.

00:43:30.920 The idea that USAID is absolutely critical to U.S. military operations.

00:43:35.660 It's absolutely critical to U.S. diplomatic operations.

00:43:39.540 It's absolutely critical to U.S. intelligence operations, which supports the diplomacy and defense.

00:43:43.100 And so, you know, while you're masquerading as this humanitarian NGO sponsor, you're the embodiment of the hand grenade.

00:43:52.340 And that, to me, you know, that's a Reaganite philosophy that we're fighting the ghost of.

00:43:59.160 This idea that you deserve a slot within this government apparatus, U.S. government apparatus, when you are not representing the interests of the United States, or at least there are no conditions on it.

00:44:15.040 There's no bounds on it other than you need to be in the good graces of that government.

00:44:20.800 For example, the U.S. embassy in Brasilia did nothing to stop Brazil's attack on X or Brazil's seizure of assets.

00:44:29.040 Exactly. That's exactly right.

00:44:31.040 But this goes back a really long time.

00:44:33.900 I mean, Gonzalo Lear is a U.S. citizen, was murdered by the Ukrainian government.

00:44:37.420 And, like, nobody said a word about it.

00:44:38.920 The U.S. ambassador to Ukraine didn't say a word.

00:44:41.600 None of the million NGOs populated by Americans in Ukraine said a word.

00:44:47.080 Like, I don't see how they're on the side of America at all.

00:44:51.540 Right. Right.

00:44:52.920 Well, the Soros example is really interesting.

00:44:56.060 Can I share a few anecdotes?

00:44:57.440 Gosh, I hope you will.

00:44:59.160 So, when I went into the WikiLeaks archive to look at all the State Department cables that referenced George Soros or the Open Society Foundation or any of its associated groups, the Open Society Institution, the Open Society Forum,

00:45:13.560 I was surprised when I saw the communications in the State Department cables start in 1973 because the Open Society Foundation did not start until 1979.

00:45:27.120 And when I looked at the State Department cables, they were all related to Soros Associates, which was the firm operated by George Soros's older brother, Paul Soros, who is, you know, according to his New York Times obituary, one of the greatest titans of the shipping and port and infrastructure development world.

00:45:55.720 And Paul Soros is all over these State Department cables in tons of countries, Gabon, Iran.

00:46:06.140 Remember, this is pre-1970s.

00:46:07.860 This is, you know.

00:46:09.040 Pre-revolution.

00:46:09.900 Yes.

00:46:10.120 Right.

00:46:10.260 And so the State Department is working with Soros Associates, Paul Soros, in order to secure contracts for him, in order to secure favorable loan terms to foreign governments, and in order to intervene on the bidding process for port construction, for lucrative port deals.

00:46:36.300 I think one in Gabon was, I think, like a, I think it was like a 700 million to a billion dollar port project, you know, huge money for Gabon, a project in Gabon in the early 1970s.

00:46:50.260 And one of these cables, State Department cables is really interesting.

00:46:55.380 It's the U.S. Embassy there, and they are talking about how three senior executives from Brown and Root are going to be coming to Gabon that week,

00:47:08.480 and are looking to have arrangements made to meet with, I think, the president of the country and other influential leaders in government and in civil society,

00:47:20.640 and for the embassy to arrange, you know, everything from their travel to their hotel to introducing them to all the senior leaders in the country.

00:47:30.720 And Brown and Root was working together with Soros and Associates on this port project, and they were bidding against other foreign, you know, infrastructure development companies from other countries.

00:47:48.640 And one of the cables basically suggests that, you know, that the embassy should relay back to Soros and Brown and Root the status of the bid going to them

00:48:03.580 and anything favorable that can be done to nudge that contract going to Brown and Root and Soros.

00:48:12.160 Now, what's interesting about this is a few things.

00:48:14.240 So, this is the example of what you were talking about, which is we're doing this because we want to stop, you know,

00:48:21.320 there's a big fight over Africa with the Russians and with the Chinese all throughout the Cold War.

00:48:26.460 You know, a lot of Africa had sided with Russia, and the Russian communism was seen as an egalitarian counterweight to a sort of racist United States,

00:48:35.880 and there was a big diplomacy push there.

00:48:37.860 So, getting Brown and Root and Soros to control the infrastructure in the country and to get those contracts and to get the proceeds and remits

00:48:48.720 was advancing U.S. interests under U.S. national security and U.S. national interests,

00:48:54.580 which means there's a State Department interest in doing favors for Soros and Brown and Root.

00:48:59.540 Now, Brown and Root, which would later become Halliburton, or Brown and Root is, I guess, Halliburton, I guess, acquired Brown and Root.

00:49:11.820 Yeah, Kellogg Brown and Root.

00:49:12.540 Yes, right, which, of course, is, you know, Dick Cheney was the, I think, CEO and president.

00:49:17.420 And Brown and Root and the JFK files, it was very interesting.

00:49:24.540 The ones that were declassified just a few months ago by Tulsi Gabbard, they have a whole section on the CIA's,

00:49:35.160 all the CIA influence nodes over Brown and Root, and it was fascinating.

00:49:39.420 I believe both Brown Sr. and Jr. held covert security clearances with the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:49:49.420 There's a memo in these new unredacted JFK files, and it was a CIA internal fact check, a crisis communications,

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00:51:33.520 And so Ramparts writes this piece, and it accuses the CI of running this vast network through the petroleum industry

00:51:42.880 and through a web of NGOs and trade associations all over Houston.

00:51:49.340 And it focuses on this Brown and Root network because Brown and Root also had something called the Brown Foundation,

00:51:57.520 which was a corporate-sponsored NGO.

00:52:01.580 And in this, they actually revealed that both Brown Sr. and Brown Jr. had covert security clearances for work with the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:52:13.620 So while you have one of the world's premier infrastructure and development firms, which would later go on to work with Soros in Africa

00:52:25.580 and then would later spawn Vice President Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney, who started off her career in USAID 0.96

00:52:33.640 and comes from that same, you know, Halliburton, Brown and Root lineage, they direct ties all over the CIA.

00:52:43.140 And I guess I bring this up to say that in addition to that, you had this web of adjacent NGOs around statecraft there.

00:52:51.820 So for example, in that same files, again, the CIA is doing an internal fact check in this memo where they say Ramparts has accused all of these people of being CIA.

00:53:01.860 And it's a memo, I think, to one of the local directors saying, we've reviewed the files.

00:53:09.420 Here's what's true and false about the Ramparts article.

00:53:12.080 And in one of these, they describe something called the Vernon Fund, which was a private philanthropy.

00:53:19.060 Well, it was created by the Central Intelligence Agency to look to the public like a private foundation.

00:53:25.840 And it was set up to fund the webs of teachers unions all throughout the world.

00:53:34.860 They sponsor something called the World Confederation of Organizations of the Teaching Profession.

00:53:39.520 The CIA was running an initiative at the time to control the education space during the Cold War to stop the spread of communist teachings or communist sympathizing teachings and curricula,

00:53:56.120 especially in Cold War conflict zones all over Europe, all over Africa, all over Latin America.

00:54:02.500 And so to do that, to control, to make sure that students and young people and every person in society who comes up through the education system is ideologically aligned against communism.

00:54:16.280 They had to control the teachers unions and what was being taught, what was being promoted.

00:54:21.480 And I bring this up, again, I hate communism, but all of this was repurposed against right-wing populism when Trump won in 2016.

00:54:30.300 I noticed.

00:54:30.840 Because instead of this same blob being threatened from its communist socialist left, it was being threatened from its populist nationalist right.

00:54:38.380 But so the CIA, so in this memo, the CIA says, yeah, they're right about the Vernon Fund.

00:54:44.020 Ramparts is right.

00:54:44.820 That was ours.

00:54:45.660 We set it up to look like a private philanthropy.

00:54:47.900 We recruited the daughter of the Texas governor to bundle money to the World Confederation of Organizations of the Teaching Profession in order to influence the National Education Association and create, I think it was like 140 different trade associations that they all work through.

00:55:06.800 Now, the National Education Association is the largest of the teaching union associations.

00:55:14.300 And the World Confederation of Organizations of the Teaching Profession is still around today.

00:55:18.260 It's called Education International.

00:55:20.100 They rebranded the name.

00:55:21.840 But it's the same organization.

00:55:23.340 And by the way, in these CIA files, they explicitly say the president of the World Confederation of Organizations of the Teaching Profession has a CIA covert clearance to do this work.

00:55:35.360 The treasurer, the treasurer, the executive secretary.

00:55:38.520 So the thing is funded by the CIA, by a NGO that was actually created by the CIA, the senior leadership of the trade association doing the work, our CIA at every part of the layer.

00:55:53.420 But how many people in Education International, how many teachers in that union you think know that story?

00:55:59.600 How many fifth grade teachers, how many administrators at the union level, how many people in the schools know that?

00:56:06.680 So when you see Education International today come out in Germany, because there are branches in every country, in Germany, Education International has come out and said,

00:56:14.960 AFD, no one affiliated with AFD should be allowed to be a teacher in Germany.

00:56:20.420 And they petitioned the German government to not allow AFD at any of the –

00:56:25.560 You can't have a job if you vote for the party.

00:56:27.060 Right. But this is exactly what our CIA has been calling for, because AFD has been trying to revive the Nord Stream pipeline and trying to restore relations with Russia.

00:56:37.300 So from the national security side of this, there's a predicate to say, yeah, we're authorized to run this operation.

00:56:45.060 But what do you do there?

00:56:46.620 Now you've got the AFD, which is the most popular party in Germany right now in polling.

00:56:52.100 It's got, I think, 26 percent.

00:56:54.020 They doubled their votes in the recent election.

00:56:59.900 But since then, polling shows that they are now the most popular party in Germany.

00:57:05.060 They were declared an extremist organization by their own national security state, which is effectively our national security state.

00:57:13.900 We gave birth to Germany as a unified country in the 1990s and midwifed its entire intelligence apparatus.

00:57:21.920 The center of U.S. intelligence in the Cold War was in Germany.

00:57:25.460 And so you have this blob interest in banning AFD.

00:57:33.660 The German government declares the most popular party in the country an extremist group.

00:57:40.900 If the definition of extreme is that it is a departure from what's popular.

00:57:46.760 And so by its very definition, it's a contradiction is what I'm getting at there.

00:57:53.900 But that – and thank God for Marco Rubio and Senator Tom Cotton, to his credit, was fantastic on this.

00:58:03.660 He directing – he – and Tulsi Gabbard – I think directed Tulsi Gabbard at ODNI to threaten to not – to discontinue intelligence sharing

00:58:13.740 with German intelligence for this domestic surveillance because this extremist label allowed the German government to spy on every member of the AFD as if they were Al-Qaeda.

00:58:25.880 And so because of U.S. diplomatic pressure from our State Department, our ODNI, our Congress, Germany has temporarily put that – the enforcement of their surveillance dimension on pause.

00:58:40.540 But what I'm getting at is – this is a CIA proprietary, Education International, who's doing active work to do exactly what the Bill Burns CIA, the John Brennan CIA wants done in Germany.

00:58:56.060 And of course, who was the U.S. ambassador to Germany while this all played out with the Nord Stream pipeline blowing up?

00:59:02.000 It was Amy Gutmann, my dean at the University of Pennsylvania.

00:59:06.040 You know, Amy Gutmann, when I was there 20 years ago, she was the dean then.

00:59:12.780 Then she became the U.S. ambassador to Germany, head of the State Department in Germany during the Biden administration.

00:59:19.240 And meanwhile, what's the University of Pennsylvania doing?

00:59:22.620 It's housing the Penn-Biden Center, which is this major foreign policy coordinating node at the university layer.

00:59:30.680 Again, universities are just super NGOs.

00:59:33.760 The universities will organize the international exchanges of ideas with civil society in all these foreign countries.

00:59:41.740 They will produce the white papers that get picked up by the media.

00:59:45.480 They will liaise with – meet with governing officials to advise on economic policy, don't you know, in the region.

00:59:51.840 You know, this is the whole Jeffrey Sachs, Harvard Institute of International Development.

00:59:57.140 And it's all tax-free.

00:59:58.240 That's the part that – I mean, because you began this history of the NGO, and thank you for doing it, with reference to the tax code.

01:00:06.720 The introduction of the income tax in 1913 and then the tax-exempt statutes of 1917, right in the middle of the First World War, not surprisingly.

01:00:14.840 But, like, isn't the whole idea of it, my understanding of a 501c3 – well, I know, because I ran one – the idea is that this helps America.

01:00:25.300 We're encouraging charity.

01:00:27.740 But you're describing nonprofits that are arms of the intel community or, you know, working to increase profit to American businesses that may not actually really be American.

01:00:38.960 A publicly traded company is not American.

01:00:40.740 It's owned by the sovereign wealth funds of nine different countries.

01:00:42.920 You know, it's like – the whole thing is fake.

01:00:44.880 So, what in 2025 is the justification for continuing to subsidize these?

01:00:51.220 Because, I mean, a tax exemption is a subsidy, in effect.

01:00:54.980 Someone's got to run the government.

01:00:56.300 Someone's got to fund the patent office.

01:00:57.640 If it's not you, it's going to be me.

01:01:00.280 So, but why should we subsidize these things?

01:01:03.440 They have three reasons.

01:01:05.860 National security, national interest, and securing export markets.

01:01:10.680 And, you know, the idea is, is what does America look like if we don't do this?

01:01:18.600 We're in a competition right now with Huawei in the telecom space, in the IT infrastructure space.

01:01:25.700 There's major State Department initiatives to try to get neutral third-party governments to do away with Huawei and sign up with AT&T or, if not that, other kind of 5G light providers like LG and Nokia in Finland and South Korea.

01:01:49.000 So, at least it's not China, Huawei.

01:01:53.400 And there's lots of reasons given for this.

01:01:56.360 But the idea is, is if you can get AT&T to get those contracts, well, AT&T is an American company.

01:02:03.040 And this will help American GDP.

01:02:04.620 And this will help American jobs.

01:02:06.260 And so, like a great example, this is what just happened in Syria.

01:02:09.680 So, there's been this big fight over this, this group, the, well, also, Syria has, we just lifted sanctions on Syria.

01:02:22.020 Last month.

01:02:22.760 Yes.

01:02:23.020 Muhammad al-Jalani, the ISIS commander turned al-Qaeda commander turned Idlib, you know, rebel, moderate rebel leader, you know, who, who became, you know, the de facto head of state.

01:02:39.400 In Syria.

01:02:41.420 Now meeting with the U.S. president.

01:02:42.620 Yes.

01:02:43.060 Meeting, yes.

01:02:43.700 Meeting with the U.S. president, meeting with every, every major world leader.

01:02:47.600 The U.S. just declared that we're lifting sanctions on, on Syria after Syria pledged to open up its, to basically use U.S. and Western companies and contractors for its services rather than Russian or Chinese ones.

01:03:07.340 So, for example, one of the pledges was to use AT&T for its wireless and telecom services rather than Huawei.

01:03:15.180 Where are they going to buy their pagers?

01:03:20.300 It's a question.

01:03:21.260 It's, it's, and yeah, it goes without saying that when, you know, the State Department lobbies to allow AT&T to do your, your wireless infrastructure that, you know, that we're monitoring it, of course.

01:03:35.500 Right, but you can see how, like, what would America look like if AT&T's, now there's, I think, what, 25 million people or so in, in Syria.

01:03:45.360 So, AT&T has just secured 25 million customers, effectively, at the, you know, barrel of a gun, effectively, with the, they've drafted off of the U.S. Defense Department who funded the paramilitaries in Syria.

01:04:04.760 They've drafted off of USAID and the billions we funneled into Syria.

01:04:08.560 They've drafted off of State Department diplomacy on their behalf.

01:04:13.140 And, you know, a great example of this is.

01:04:16.800 Let me just say, I mean, I, well, I definitely don't think that the ISIS guy is in any real sense better than Bashar al-Assad, you know, the ophthalmologist.

01:04:26.800 That's just my opinion.

01:04:27.540 And I don't think that we should be friends with the ISIS guy or the al-Qaeda guy after they murdered 3,000 Americans. 0.81

01:04:34.640 Like, I don't understand that, or I do understand it, but it has nothing to do with the United States.

01:04:37.740 So, that bothers me.

01:04:39.300 On the other hand, since we are doing that, I think it's great that AT&T's getting the contract.

01:04:44.140 I don't have a problem with that.

01:04:45.280 And what you're describing is a pretty conventional process where the U.S. State Department, White House, and DOD all kind of combine forces to help American business abroad.

01:04:55.720 Great.

01:04:56.900 In general, great.

01:04:59.060 I don't like the constellation, the mushy constellation of, quote, nonprofits that operate in a very shadowy way.

01:05:08.660 Like, why do we need them for this?

01:05:11.680 Well, let's stick with the Syria example for a second.

01:05:14.920 Okay.

01:05:15.600 And go over one of the shadiest of the nonprofits, which is the U.S. Institute of Peace.

01:05:21.880 The U.S. Institute of Peace.

01:05:24.040 By the way, if you fly into D.C., into National Airport, Reagan National Airport, which is, like, the closest airport to any city in America, it's right there, right across the river.

01:05:32.400 And you come in from the north, you fly directly over the U.S. Institute of Peace, and it's a kind of clamshell.

01:05:40.280 It's a beautiful building.

01:05:41.600 Beautiful.

01:05:41.700 It's a modern building.

01:05:42.820 It's probably the only pretty modern building in Washington.

01:05:45.440 And you think to yourself, what the hell is that, and where'd they get the money?

01:05:49.200 What is that?

01:05:50.020 Well, International Peace is a funny piece, and International Peace has a funny history with U.S. intelligence work.

01:05:57.740 In the JFK files, for example, in the recent declassifications, it showed a group that the CIA infiltrated and directed called the Catholic Association of International Peace.

01:06:09.880 And there are all these files that show that, yes, we have our assets in here, and they're doing this for this.

01:06:16.280 The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, not the Catholic Association of International Peace, but the second international peace, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, was run from 2014 to 2021 by Bill Burns, the guy who would leave the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace to run the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:06:37.680 What qualifies you as running the Endowment for International Peace as your very next job?

01:06:45.220 You hadn't worked in government for seven years.

01:06:47.220 You were cold.

01:06:48.740 He had never worked at the CIA formally.

01:06:51.320 He was in the political affairs section, which, according to the JFK files, 47% of every person in the political affairs section in 1961 was not actually working in the State Department political section.

01:07:05.100 They were actually called confidential American sources, which is the term for CIA agents operating under diplomatic cover saying they work for the State Department.

01:07:17.080 That's still the case today.

01:07:17.980 It's a joke in D.C.

01:07:19.240 What's your dad do?

01:07:20.140 Oh, he works at the State Department.

01:07:21.740 Oh, OK.

01:07:22.500 Yeah.

01:07:22.780 People say that about me.

01:07:23.960 Yeah.

01:07:24.300 I don't blame him for thinking it.

01:07:26.440 I mean, it's so pervasive.

01:07:27.740 And of course, who was the head of political affairs for the Biden administration, Victoria Newland, you know, you know, and who would then go on to, you know, be on the board of the National Down for Democracy, which is another group that was spun out in 1983 by the Reagan administration when they were trying to get the CIA's old powers back.

01:07:45.580 But the Democrats in Congress were blocking that because of the CIA's work against the anti-war faction in the Democrat Party during the 60s and 70s.

01:07:56.440 So in 1983, Reagan creates NED.

01:07:59.340 1984, they create the U.S. Institute of Peace.

01:08:01.400 The U.S. Institute of Peace has had this crazy showdown with the U.S. federal government recently.

01:08:07.820 And it's an unbelievable drama that's been unfolding now for several months.

01:08:12.680 So the U.S. Institute of Peace was, you know, was chartered by Congress in 1984 in order to do sort of a think of it like the National Endowment for Democracy.

01:08:25.220 But but more is George Orwell in charge of naming these groups.

01:08:29.620 I mean, National Endowment for Democracy subverts democracy.

01:08:33.720 All these peace groups are like aggressively anti-peace.

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01:09:38.900 Well, you know, the quote by the National Endowment for Democracy founder, I believe in 1986 in the New York Times, was that it would be terrible for groups to be seen as subsidized by the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:09:52.380 We saw that happen in the 1960s where it was revealed groups were funded by the CIA and it caused embarrassment.

01:09:58.720 That's why the endowment was created.

01:10:02.900 It's literally a direct quote saying that the endowment was created to fund the groups that it would be embarrassing for them to be publicly revealed that they got CIA funding.

01:10:12.700 And, of course, it was conceived in the office of Reagan's CIA, William Casey and Raymond Green.

01:10:20.620 There's a whole CIA backstory to the whole Ned thing.

01:10:23.180 But in 1984, another layer of gongo, you know, so the U.S. Institute of Peace was set up to be to be a National Endowment for Democracy, but really focused on conflict zones.

01:10:39.680 Whereas the National Endowment for Democracy operates everywhere, they'll operate in, you know, very heavily in Hungary or, you know, Brazil, places where there's not real dark, you know, terrorist conflict or hyperactive DOD operations, for example.

01:11:01.120 So they, in those places, it's a different track of influence for the NGOs because they're working with these communities in these, they're working with the farmers where the coca leaves for cocaine are being grown.

01:11:17.980 They're working, you know, they're working, you mentioned coffee.

01:11:21.140 USAID has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the coffee trade sector.

01:11:28.460 And USAID does all this joint work with Starbucks, all this joint work with Keurig.

01:11:35.000 They operate in conflict zones and the drug zones in Colombia and Peru, the Central African Republic, Sudan.

01:11:45.040 And what they're doing here is, sorry, they're, well, I got distracted by the coffee thought, sorry.

01:11:55.140 What the U.S. Institute of Peace is doing is they're building giant networks and serving as a back-channel diplomacy.

01:12:03.040 They're doing field work.

01:12:04.280 So they are, you know, if you're in Foggy Bottom or Langley, Virginia, if you want to know what's happening on the ground in Syria, you need the people in the field to report it to you.

01:12:15.540 You need either the U.S. Embassy or you need the NGOs connected to the embassy to provide the field work.

01:12:23.260 We want to know what is happening economically in this region, which is the economic, you know, breadbasket that's supporting the U.S. military operations or the mercenary troops so that we can keep them funded.

01:12:37.100 We want to keep the industry in Afghanistan going, the industry in Syria in these sections.

01:12:43.040 So the U.S. Institute of Peace will do those surveys.

01:12:45.620 They'll work with the local populations.

01:12:47.380 They'll build giant networks.

01:12:49.780 And, you know, in June 2023, the U.S. Institute of Peace, after the Taliban took over Afghanistan, they wrote a piece called,

01:13:00.880 Why the Taliban's Successful Opium Ban is Bad for Afghanistan and Bad for the World. 0.71

01:13:07.100 And they openly called on the Taliban.

01:13:10.040 We're not getting enough opium.

01:13:11.560 Yes.

01:13:12.040 Mike, it's a problem.

01:13:13.500 Right.

01:13:13.960 But the opium was funding the entire paramilitary network in Syria.

01:13:22.240 You know, everyone says, oh, ISIS traffics in drugs. 1.00

01:13:25.140 Al Qaeda traffics in drugs.

01:13:27.720 Well, guess what?

01:13:28.660 ISIS and Al Qaeda, with the full backing of the Biden government, just successfully overthrew the Biden administration's top enemy in the region and now have opened up all their markets to Chevron and AT&T.

01:13:46.120 And what I'm saying is, is they were openly this same group that is working with these Taliban networks and these Afghan special forces and is deeply, deeply involved in Syria is openly calling.

01:14:00.120 And this is not that they got busted paying these Taliban officials when Trump tried to assert control over the U.S. Institute of Peace, because it's chartered by Congress.

01:14:11.320 It has 15 members of its board.

01:14:14.740 Three of them are mandatory.

01:14:16.220 The secretary of state, the secretary of defense and the president of the National Defense University are three reserve spots.

01:14:23.840 So think about this is the U.S. Institute of Peace.

01:14:25.480 But required on the board is the secretary of war, the head of the the War Institute and the secretary of state.

01:14:34.040 And then there are 12 political appointee spots.

01:14:38.160 Now, the Trump administration tried to assert control over the U.S. Institute of Peace, as it is statutorily entitled to do.

01:14:44.080 And the response from the U.S. Institute of Peace was to barricade the doors to delete, Doge said, a terabyte worth of financial data, which Doge says it recovered and showed payments to those very Taliban networks that they were saying, keep the drugs flowing.

01:15:01.140 And so evidently, according to the Doge team, they found weapons caches inside like like a full military, you know, weapons inside the Institute of Peace.

01:15:13.520 That was what Doge reported as they said.

01:15:15.620 Back to Orwell now.

01:15:16.920 Right.

01:15:17.560 The peace people are stockpiling weapons.

01:15:19.900 But recently.

01:15:21.880 So this has gone through the courts because, you know, the whole blob resistance has been trying to stop all these shutdowns at every layer.

01:15:29.920 The outside general counsel for the U.S. Institute of Peace.

01:15:35.520 Has he who has been the the outside general counsel for since 1986, just two years.

01:15:41.660 So so the guy who's the head lawyer there has been the head lawyer there since just two years after it was founded, since the since the mid 1980s.

01:15:52.100 So has been, you know, midwifing the the legal dark, dark arts of this thing since almost the day it was born.

01:16:03.960 And he's the one who I believe has spearheaded or been leading this this lawsuit to stop the the federal governments because the because the Trump administration cleared the board.

01:16:17.900 The U.S. Institute of Peace would not even allow the Trump appointed board members or its president even go in the building.

01:16:25.220 That's why the federal police had to the FBI had to come in.

01:16:28.640 And and but what happened was is that same lawyer also happens to represent the Wireless Trade Association in in the U.S.

01:16:40.060 and AT&T and that whole network.

01:16:42.480 So while they are working for regime change in Syria, while the U.S. Institute of Peace is taking U.S.

01:16:47.920 taxpayer money, fifty five million a year to build up this network of paramilitary groups and all these economic assistance programs and midwifing the political negotiations of and creating a unified,

01:17:03.480 cohesive, cohesive block against the Assad government in Syria with U.S.

01:17:08.880 U.S. and Sue Peace funds, the same lawyer who's who's now successfully sued because Judge Barrow, how blocked the Trump administration's attempt.

01:17:18.440 Now, now we're back to square one with that.

01:17:20.540 He simultaneously is representing the Wireless Trade Association where Syria just, you know, turned over its IT infrastructure to AT&T.

01:17:30.200 So, I mean, just think about that.

01:17:33.200 You've got you've got the U.S.

01:17:34.840 Institute of Peace organizing this regime change in Syria, including using, you know, these narco traffic drugs while calling for the narco networks to keep going.

01:17:46.520 And simultaneously, the, you know, the senior executives effectively.

01:17:52.320 I know he's senior.

01:17:53.280 He's out top outside counsel, but the senior executives effectively are representing the companies.

01:17:57.700 They're the direct beneficiaries of this regime change action.

01:18:00.200 So it doesn't matter if it's good for U.S.

01:18:02.160 national security or U.S.

01:18:03.520 national interest to topple Bashar al-Assad because they have a fundamentally unique and singular benefit, whether it's good for us or not, which is that they get rich from it.

01:18:12.580 I remember reading about the fascists and one of the one of the criticisms that I thought really resonated was they eliminated the difference between the state and, you know, they were they were socialists, truly.

01:18:25.760 And in Germany and in Italy.

01:18:27.540 And there was there was there was you couldn't tell where the German government ended and corrupts began.

01:18:32.100 And you know what I mean?

01:18:33.360 And that's bad.

01:18:34.300 Yes, I thought it was bad then.

01:18:35.260 I think it's bad now.

01:18:36.000 And I hate to see it happen here.

01:18:37.980 Well, it's funny you say that because last week at the Council on Foreign Relations, I think the panel was titled Reflections on a on a Reflections on the Post-Soviet Era and Implications for the Modern Day is Council on Foreign Relations.

01:18:51.980 And one of the questions asked the panelists directly directly was there was a deep state in Russia in the 1990s, these oligarchs.

01:19:03.600 Yes.

01:19:04.140 And we lost control over Russia.

01:19:08.720 They're basically analogizing Trump to Putin.

01:19:11.000 And they're saying we had we had all this control.

01:19:13.860 We total control over Russia during the Boris Yeltsin period.

01:19:16.440 And we had all these relationships with the Russian oligarchs.

01:19:20.180 But then Putin had a natural advantage as being the head of state, was somehow able to take over the Russian deep state.

01:19:29.540 And then we lost control over Russia.

01:19:31.500 This is this is right.

01:19:32.520 This is like the heart of it that nobody ever says.

01:19:36.200 It's Putin's decision to decapitate the oligarchy.

01:19:40.960 That's the reason they hate him.

01:19:42.440 Well, what they say is that he also co-opted it and got the oligarchy working for him rather than for outside.

01:19:50.940 And in the meantime, the Russian economy recovered and life expectancy went up and alcoholism went down and like it became a beautiful country.

01:19:56.440 The oligarchy wasn't serving Russia.

01:19:57.960 That's kind of the point.

01:19:58.720 Well, and the punchline to this is at the end of setting this question up, the guy at Council of Foreign Relations asked.

01:20:07.840 So with those lessons, given that that's what happened with Putin, how can we preserve the deep state against Trump to save so that the deep state can save us?

01:20:18.000 This is sick. 0.97

01:20:18.960 And this is sick.

01:20:21.760 But again, look at like, you know, Chubes and the Russian oligarchs that were working directly with the with USAID and the Harvard Institute for International Development. 0.94

01:20:30.060 And it's the same thing with with Brown and Root, that story of Brown and Root and Soros in in Gabon in the 1970s.

01:20:38.420 It was the same thing in Russia there where we justified because it was in U.S. national security and national interests to make Russia a democracy and to privatize all their state owned assets.

01:20:51.520 USAID paid a half a billion dollars to the Harvard Institute for International Development.

01:20:55.740 Again, another one of these universities that's delegated by the U.S. government to go deeper into Russian society than the U.S. government was wanted to be seen doing.

01:21:06.280 Very clever name, right?

01:21:07.680 U.S. Agency for International Development pays the Harvard Institute for International Development.

01:21:12.660 It's just a Harvard spawn of USAID in order to work with Chubes and all these, you know, Russian oligarchs so that the Russian oligarchs got rich. 0.99

01:21:23.320 Selling at discount bargain basement prices, all these Russian state held assets.

01:21:30.360 Exactly.

01:21:30.920 In non-competitive bids where only two outside bidders were allowed to participate.

01:21:35.360 The Harvard Management Fund for the Harvard Endowment and the George Soros Quantum Fund.

01:21:40.940 So it's just looting.

01:21:42.100 It's looting.

01:21:42.920 And by the way, it it really the country.

01:21:45.540 I mean, look at the numbers.

01:21:46.840 There's like the life expectancy for men in Russia and, you know, 1996 was like 55.

01:21:54.080 I mean, it was it was awful, awful to do that to people.

01:21:59.180 Like, what did your average Russian do wrong? 1.00

01:22:01.820 You know, they lived through 70 years of communism and this is what you do to them once they're, quote, liberated.

01:22:05.600 It's like it's really a moral crime.

01:22:08.000 And part of that issue is, is as they were driving our own country on a similar path.

01:22:15.920 They expressed the exact same contempt that someone would try to do something to stop it.

01:22:21.080 And the other thing is, is they fully acknowledged it was a deep state before Putin.

01:22:24.360 They were just mad that they lost control of the deep state, which is why they were so why a lot of these actions by the the early Trump administration have terrified them around co-opting parts of the business community.

01:22:38.720 They hate, for example, Elon Musk.

01:22:40.300 They made this whole campaign to drive Elon, you know, away or to go after Tesla.

01:22:44.820 They the reaction to Jeff Bezos, for example, and, you know, his posture around reorienting the Washington Post and sort of the Bill Kristol class was apoplectic that these commercial drivers in the sort of business community.

01:23:01.760 But really, these are this is the private for profit sector that they would go along with Trump's foreign policy agenda, with Trump's reforms, maybe to be in Trump's good graces.

01:23:12.240 But the fact is, is that that state, which was such a powerful asset to them, they do not want that handed off to somebody who might oppose them.

01:23:21.360 The same reason that they didn't want Matt Gaetz at the Justice Department.

01:23:25.720 They weaponized that Justice Department under Merrick Garland.

01:23:28.940 They don't want that baton handed off to someone else.

01:23:31.820 It's not that they have a problem with corruption at the Justice Department.

01:23:34.300 They want a monopoly on that corruption.

01:23:36.120 So you were describing the mobilization of, you know, all the various arms of the U.S. government, but the NGO community against Russia.

01:23:46.240 And I thought you made a really, really wise observation that too few make that Putin's original sin wasn't really lusting after Poland.

01:23:54.100 That's a lie.

01:23:55.020 It was kicking out the oligarchs and taking control of his own country, which a lot of people hated in the West.

01:24:02.260 So here's the part where I feel like the NGOs destabilized the United States.

01:24:08.360 Like the war against Russia has been waged for over 10 years now, really by the NGOs.

01:24:17.420 Yes, completely.

01:24:19.240 And they were, you know, as we discussed, they were authorized, deputized to do that.

01:24:25.920 We talked about the Harvard, the Harvard Endowment, the Harvard Institute for International Development by the Open Society Foundation, which was simultaneously doing its civil society work, funding scientists, funding universities, funding the intellectual class, funding the students.

01:24:43.600 And then simultaneously Soros is operating a hedge fund that is buying up the assets of the Russian government and, you know, of the failed Soviet state.

01:24:56.000 Yes.

01:24:56.280 Yes.

01:24:56.680 And this relationship is, I mentioned to you just now that there's a funny story about Soros in Mongolia and the State Department in Mongolia that is like almost the perfect encapsulation of this to see how this plays out in every country, whether it's Russia or whether it's Poland or whether it's Hungary or you name it.

01:25:23.960 But Mongolia had discovered in Mongolia had discovered in Mongolia, the world's largest copper mine.

01:25:29.960 It's called the Uyotuigo mine.

01:25:34.400 And this was by far the biggest mine ever discovered.

01:25:40.460 And Mongolia is the biggest mine in the world, primarily copper, some gold too.

01:25:44.600 And a company called Ivanhoe went in to negotiate a deal for the rights over that mine in tandem with Mongolian government.

01:25:58.380 And the U.S.

01:26:01.980 So I found this in a State Department cable looking up all the Soros and Open Society Foundation things.

01:26:07.920 I believe the cable is from 2007.

01:26:09.580 And it describes how this deal could yield billions of billions of dollars and could massively transform the entire Mongolian economy.

01:26:23.340 It could like double their entire GDP with a single mine.

01:26:27.340 And how there was an interest in making sure that this mine was acquired by Western companies rather than Chinese or Russian ones.

01:26:37.500 And in the context of this, the State Department references a pivotal Open Society Foundation Mongolia memo that had caught fire in the Mongolian press and was weighing heavily on public conversation about whether or not the Mongolian government would sign this deal with Ivanhoe, with the company for this.

01:27:05.200 And the Soros Foundation writes, and the State Department backs this in this cable.

01:27:11.300 They basically say, yes, this is all correct.

01:27:13.660 They should have done this low.

01:27:14.940 Basically, basically, the Mongolian government wanted deal terms and was about to pass something hastily in parliament to secure a deal that the Open Society Foundation said was too extractive on behalf of the Mongolian government.

01:27:30.600 Basically, basically, the Mongolian government had problems with corruption.

01:27:36.800 They also mentioned that the deal might have environmental impact in terms of the mine and its environmental impact on the ecosystem of Mongolia.

01:27:47.740 And they give seven reasons in this memo that the Mongolian parliament should not – has to be stopped from doing this deal on these terms.

01:28:01.700 So this is a –

01:28:02.680 But can I just ask, the mine is in Mongolia.

01:28:05.220 Yeah, it's in Mongolia.

01:28:06.060 And the Mongolian parliament is the Mongolian government.

01:28:08.500 And so George Soros, who's from Hungary but has British and American citizenship, is telling the Mongolians they shouldn't be able to do what they want with their own mind.

01:28:17.580 Maybe I'll start with the punchline first to make it more sense.

01:28:20.580 I mean, it's so – the presumption there is a bit much.

01:28:24.240 The punchline is in 2009, the George Soros Management Fund purchased an absolutely huge stake in that very company.

01:28:34.200 Come on.

01:28:34.740 Yes, yes.

01:28:35.640 It changed its name to Rio Tinto, but it was called Ivanhoe while it was negotiating this deal.

01:28:40.160 Now, the Open Society Foundation, they published a 174-page document which went through everything they did inside of Mongolia to kill the deal in 2007.

01:28:55.840 And what they described is that they networked with all these Mongolian members of parliament.

01:28:59.900 They used their media NGO, their nonprofit organizations, their advocacy groups, their environmental NGOs to argue that the deal should be killed on environmental grounds.

01:29:14.480 And this culminated – and the Soros Foundation takes credit for its spawning street protests that destabilized the Mongolian government and incentivized parliament – the parliament to not ink this deal.

01:29:31.940 And again, the Soros Foundation logic was that it was too extractive on the part of the Mongolian government.

01:29:37.620 The Mongolian government was getting too good a deal from this.

01:29:41.040 On their own mind, in their country.

01:29:43.460 Yes, in their country.

01:29:44.340 And George Soros didn't own enough of it.

01:29:46.160 So the U.S. embassy in Mongolia is working with the Soros network.

01:29:52.440 Now, they're doing it on national interest, national security grounds.

01:29:54.760 They're saying, hey, if a Western company doesn't get this, China's right next door to Mongolia.

01:30:00.180 They're big in the minerals, the metal space.

01:30:04.120 We don't want to lose this mine, the biggest copper mine in the world, to a Chinese competitor. 1.00

01:30:10.640 We want to make sure a Western gets this deal.

01:30:13.120 But the Open Society Foundation, which is underneath the – now, it's the nonprofit side of the Soros Management Fund.

01:30:21.420 The Open Society Foundation is saying, hey, kill this deal because the company is not getting enough money out of this.

01:30:30.060 And then as soon as they kill that and get more profit secured for the mining company, the Soros Management Fund buys up the equity way before everybody else.

01:30:45.280 You can read about this in – no matter what happened with the mine, he would have, like, doubled his profit.

01:30:51.840 I think it went from $0.09 to $0.17 before a deal was even inked or before they even got to one of the development stages of it simply because everybody else hearing the news about this rushed into it.

01:31:02.480 But Soros had already bought up the stock because his own NGOs were on the ground midwifing the entire process with the full force and credit of the U.S. government driving.

01:31:13.100 This is going to happen in Ukraine, isn't it? 0.99

01:31:15.100 Oh, I'm sure it's happened all over the country.

01:31:16.380 The Ukraine Rebuilding Fund from BlackRock.

01:31:20.260 I mean, this is – so if I want a piece of the trillion dollars that's going to be spent to make Ukraine a country again and a piece of its resources, which are substantial, then I'm probably going to use NGOs on my behalf, right?

01:31:37.640 Yes, and this is where you get this curious line around gongos, government-organized NGOs, and ongos, I guess, these oligarch-organized NGOs, and where they all sort of meet in the middle.

01:31:54.000 And where they meet in the middle is, I guess, what we just call politics, the topography of political factions in the U.S., in the sense that every major company has an interest in sponsoring NGOs that, regardless of whether they believe in the mission of it, they advance something that helps the business side of this.

01:32:21.660 So I mentioned Brown and Root had the Brown Foundation, and the Soros Management Fund has the Open Society Foundation, and Microsoft has the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

01:32:37.720 But the last one was a little bit tongue-in-cheek.

01:32:41.240 But what I'm getting at here is, like, take the example of this Mongolia mine.

01:32:47.080 The Soros didn't care about the environmental impact of that Mongolia mine.

01:32:52.860 The fact that they could astroturf environmental protesters to take to the streets and to create a human rights predicate as to why the international community should intervene to stop the Mongolian government from signing this deal was simply an NGO.

01:33:10.180 Now, if the U.S. government did that, that would have to come straight from the CIA.

01:33:16.040 That would be a covert action if you're going to run through front groups.

01:33:19.780 But if you have an ostensibly public one, but you're not seeing the classified State Department cables or whatever's CIA underneath that, making an argument from their Asia desk.

01:33:29.520 Well, this is going to help U.S. national security because that's less minerals for China.

01:33:34.240 But then Soros is using that money and sponsoring.

01:33:38.000 It's unbelievable.

01:33:38.420 So, the real fear, though, is that that could happen inside our borders.

01:33:44.700 Yes.

01:33:45.180 That this combination of, you know, government actors, strict government actors from the executive branch agencies and NGOs collude to, like, take down a president.

01:33:56.540 Yeah.

01:33:57.220 That's exactly what they did.

01:33:59.000 So, well, that's correct, right?

01:34:01.940 So, they staged a little Mongolia right here in the U.S. 0.90

01:34:04.340 Yes.

01:34:05.120 And they're all the same groups.

01:34:07.040 They're all the same groups.

01:34:08.000 And a great example of this, we were talking about the U.S. Institute of Peace.

01:34:11.440 The U.S. Institute of Peace, we talked about it in the context of Syria and how they were openly funding the Taliban and lobbying the Taliban to keep 95% of the world's opium flowing after the Taliban took over.

01:34:25.400 You know how high heroin prices would go if they shut that down?

01:34:27.880 I mean, I see their point.

01:34:28.880 Right.

01:34:29.180 Yeah, good, good point.

01:34:30.120 Yeah, more for the rest of the world's opium.

01:34:32.080 It's unbelievable.

01:34:33.640 But they, so they are involved in these AstroTurf NGO rent-to-riots very heavily.

01:34:41.420 If you go to the publications page.

01:34:44.400 The Institute of Peace.

01:34:45.100 Yes.

01:34:45.420 Yes, the U.S. Institute of Peace.

01:34:46.840 Now, you have to understand, they have a term for this.

01:34:50.060 Get ready for it.

01:34:51.880 Non-violent action.

01:34:53.920 That's the term.

01:34:55.760 Now, if you have to say that you're non-violent.

01:34:58.860 Right.

01:34:59.340 You're probably a little bit, you know, I'm not like non-violently drinking this water right now.

01:35:06.260 No, no, you're not.

01:35:08.200 But you have to understand where this came.

01:35:09.440 So this came from the same military network.

01:35:13.880 We talked about how the origin point for this was 1948.

01:35:17.540 The U.N. Declaration of Human Rights forbids military conquest, territorial accession by military force.

01:35:22.940 The U.N. Declaration of Human Rights, the U.N. Charter, 1948, establishes the NGO framework at the international level intergovernmentally.

01:35:34.900 1948 is also when the CIA inaugurates organized political warfare through the use of NGOs.

01:35:41.740 But right at this time, you have – sorry, one second.

01:35:46.680 I just – I had a second thought that just crapped up on this.

01:35:50.400 We were talking about the U.S. Institute of Peace.

01:35:51.400 So right at this time, you have this move from direct military force to topple governments through military coups or through military takeovers or through getting military defectors to sort of a top-down attempt to induce regime change.

01:36:15.120 They created a blueprint.

01:36:17.320 This is the famous color revolution blueprint, the people-powered revolution.

01:36:20.960 You have lots of names for this, which is the bottom-up method, which instead of getting at the military level with tanks and guns and fighter jets, you do it at the paramilitary street level.

01:36:35.840 You shut down the country by getting a critical mass of its civil society organizations to not cooperate with that government.

01:36:45.240 So the government can't bring in any revenue.

01:36:48.720 They can't pay their own police officers or members of the military to quell the riots because there's no money in the government coffers, because they'll be sanctioned by the international community for cracking down on the protesters and because the country itself is not – the hospital workers have walked out.

01:37:03.920 The public health industry workers have walked out.

01:37:07.360 So even the schools aren't open, the hospitals aren't open, the roads are being blockaded.

01:37:11.220 The only way to get rid of these people is either with hundreds of thousands of police officers in every region to drag them or to kill them, in which case you have the human rights violations.

01:37:21.020 And then every person is kicked off the SWIFT system and the international finance system and sanctions and threats of a military intervention at that point.

01:37:31.020 So this was pioneered by the U.S. military, this paramilitary street technique that they call nonviolent action.

01:37:39.040 And this was done through Gene Sharp and his cohorts.

01:37:44.440 It was at the Harvard CIA, incidentally, the Harvard Center for International Affairs.

01:37:50.300 It's a very cute, cute, cute nickname.

01:37:53.680 But it was – Henry Kissinger was there.

01:37:55.700 They recruited Gene Sharp.

01:37:56.840 They got $50 million in Pentagon funding to develop a – the playbook that they now call From Dictatorship to Democracy.

01:38:05.280 The idea that you can use mass NGO action to organize the unions, the trade workers, the laborers, the media organizations, every aspect of civil society in order to encircle the government, to cut it off from its own sources of power.

01:38:23.440 And then with the sitting government effectively paraplegic, quadriplegic – basically cut off from its arms and legs, it would be ousted by a street protest that effectively surrounds the Capitol and takes over the buildings.

01:38:43.920 I mean this is basically – it's a January 6th blueprint if what they said about January 6th was actually true, which of course it's not.

01:38:50.520 But, you know, everyone can watch Bringing Down a Dictator, the PBS documentary about the State Department and U.S. Institute of Peace, their work getting the Oatpour movement in Yugoslavia to topple Slobodan Milosevic.

01:39:06.600 That was nonviolent action is what they call it.

01:39:09.420 Now, the ending scene of that documentary, you hear the whole documentary.

01:39:12.640 It's – this is nonviolent action, nonviolent action.

01:39:15.640 The climax of the documentary, which has, you know, soaring violins as if this is an amazing, you know, amazing thing, is the parliament building, you know, the Capitol building in Serbia being set on fire.

01:39:32.940 It's windows smashed and a throng of hundreds of thousands of angry street protesters flooding into the building and declaring themselves the new government.

01:39:46.480 This is cheered on by the State Department, USAID, the U.S. Institute of Peace.

01:39:51.420 The U.S. Institute of Peace was actually on the ground training them.

01:39:56.220 And, you know, meanwhile, the narrator – Martin Sheen is the narrator in this documentary – and he goes on to say it's all about nonviolent action.

01:40:04.800 It's – and he says – and the Oatpour wears all black.

01:40:10.500 They have tight leather.

01:40:13.120 They have a clenched fist as their symbol.

01:40:16.640 It is all intentionally sinister.

01:40:18.920 You know, it's like intentionally sinister, Molotov cocktails in police cars, setting the Capitol building on fire, breaking the glass, forcing the democratically elected president to flee by helivac out of the country.

01:40:32.720 This is what they call nonviolent action.

01:40:35.480 And just again, nonviolent action just means mob violence action.

01:40:39.820 But to them, that is less violent than bombing Sarajevo for – do you understand?

01:40:47.420 So really they're saying it's like it's mostly peaceful.

01:40:50.440 Yes, mostly peaceful arson, mostly peaceful –

01:40:52.860 So, I mean, you're describing Black Lives Matter.

01:40:55.880 Yes.

01:40:56.200 It's kind of weird.

01:40:57.220 I'm listening to this.

01:40:57.780 I'm like, if Black Lives Matter was not a synthetic group, if it wasn't AstroTurf, what happened to it? 0.87

01:41:06.620 It disappeared as soon as its usefulness ended.

01:41:09.420 Well, that's exactly what happened.

01:41:11.560 And I can talk all about the connections of this network to that, which is –

01:41:14.920 But, I mean, it's the same – and I remember Darren Beattie saying at the very beginning of that,

01:41:19.260 this is a color revolution, and I love and respect Darren, but I didn't quite fully appreciate how true that was.

01:41:27.160 No, it's literally the exact same network.

01:41:29.980 I have all of their planning documents from starting two weeks, you know, after the riots popped off.

01:41:36.520 We can get into that whole thing with the Transition Integrity Project and the U.S. Institute of Peace Program on Nonviolent Action.

01:41:42.780 Oh, incidentally, that's a –

01:41:44.100 They were involved in that too?

01:41:45.720 Yes, and the International Center for Nonviolent Conflict was a big part of these, you know,

01:41:50.900 how to leverage the BLM protests to shut the country down in case Trump won the 2020 election on Election Day 2020.

01:42:02.180 This is – they also work through the union groups, especially the AFL-CIO,

01:42:06.380 which is the top CIA conduit in the union space around the world.

01:42:10.960 Leftists in the 1960s used to call it the AFL-CIA.

01:42:13.300 If you remember, the AFL-CIO had a secret agreement with the Chamber of Commerce about protests to shut down the country.

01:42:19.820 This was published in Time Magazine by Molly Ball.

01:42:22.520 But on this U.S. Institute –

01:42:24.100 Talk about the Uniparty.

01:42:26.100 When labor and management are both colluding against you, you know what it is.

01:42:30.880 Right.

01:42:31.540 But the Chamber of Commerce – I mean, it really is –

01:42:34.100 everything is the final scene in Animal Farm when the pigs and the farmers are indistinguishable from each other.

01:42:38.260 It's like that's the deep truth.

01:42:40.120 Yes, yes.

01:42:41.280 But both of them were threatened by Trump's foreign policy.

01:42:44.700 The unions get hundreds of millions of dollars from the State Department, from USAID.

01:42:50.380 We have multiple bureaus just for funding them.

01:42:54.180 The Department of Labor is an international affairs bureau.

01:42:56.100 We spent $20 million funding unions in 2023 alone in Brazil, the AFL-CIO's union groups.

01:43:05.300 In just one country in one year, $20 million to the union groups there.

01:43:10.560 Kind of weird there was an election that year.

01:43:12.640 Yeah, kind of weird there.

01:43:14.040 And it was specifically for labor – for mobilization of the unions and help them better organize themselves.

01:43:22.800 Do you remember that Lula was the head of the Workers' Party?

01:43:25.440 Yeah.

01:43:25.800 Remember who broke him out of jail?

01:43:27.400 It was the AFL-CIO.

01:43:29.460 Who did the AFL-CIO name the man of the year?

01:43:31.960 I think it was in 2021 or 2022.

01:43:36.660 They named Lula the man of the year.

01:43:38.240 And what is the AFL-CIO?

01:43:41.700 It's not only was it directly sponsored by the Central Intelligence Agency for 30 years during the Cold War, but now they don't even need that because they have the CIA spinoff, National Endowment for Democracy, which has its own union branch called the Solidarity Center.

01:44:00.180 The Solidarity Center is a formal part of AFL-CIO.

01:44:04.220 It is inseparable from it, and the Solidarity Center kicks them money.

01:44:10.040 So what I'm saying is the Chamber of Commerce was threatened by a potential abandonment of cutting the wind for them, of Trump doing liberal interventions, military interventions, humanitarian interventions in every country on God's green earth.

01:44:30.160 We would just go in, replace the government, and then what would happen to AT&T if they couldn't get those contracts?

01:44:36.900 What would happen to Amex if we didn't have, you know, USAID's DIA app in Ukraine?

01:44:41.920 I'm sorry, I think it's Visa, so that Visa gets all the credit card processing for all the transactions there.

01:44:46.980 What would happen, you know, to Starbucks if we abandoned the USAID coffee programs in Peru and Colombia and the Central African Republic?

01:44:58.240 What would happen, you know, to the petroleum companies if we didn't, you know, militarily step up our presence to – so the Chamber of Commerce and the unions, labor and management had a common enemy the same way Democrats and Republicans did when Trump first came on the scene.

01:45:18.120 Because anyone who wants to put America first is going to run straight into everyone who wants to put their own interests first. 0.96

01:45:27.860 America be damned. 0.58

01:45:28.600 Nicely put. 0.92

01:45:29.840 So let's end by – well, I hope you will end by explaining if you were to, I don't know, defang these groups, drain the swamp as we say, who would you go after first and how would you do it to restore democracy to the country?

01:45:47.980 The premise that the people rule, that elections matter, that there's the change people want when they get a new leader.

01:45:54.580 That is democracy.

01:45:55.600 There's three layers of it.

01:45:59.080 There's the executive branch layer, the legislative and the judicial.

01:46:03.240 On the executive branch layer, an unbelievable amount of positive accomplishments have been done through the executive branch.

01:46:17.320 And I think that the Trump admin deserves credit even as we're unsatisfied with how big this is and how many problems there have been with Congress and judges blocking things.

01:46:29.300 It took a lot of political capital to do what they did, and they were aggressive at almost every layer of it with some very big asterisks and exceptions.

01:46:40.600 The idea of – the firing of 14,000 people at USAID, the closure of the offices, the funding pauses was absolutely massive, both symbolically and in very, very real terms.

01:46:54.080 The restructuring that Marco Rubio has led at the State Department is absolutely massive.

01:46:59.560 Like 135 sub-agencies are being ripped, totally killed, the reduction in force totally laid off so that you don't even need the congressional approval because there's no job for fire people to go back to because the division doesn't exist anymore.

01:47:17.300 Those include the democracy rights and government – the democracy rights and labor bureau at the State Department, which is the number one coordinating web, I guess, in tandem with the International Organization Bureau.

01:47:29.320 But democracy rights and labor is like the main place at state for the NGO plex because they're all getting this funding and they're all coordinating with the State Department and getting the protection of the State Department because they are promoting democracy as the State Department wants them to do.

01:47:48.480 The rights in it stands for human rights because, you know, human rights violations in foreign countries and then labor is, you know, the unions and this is where you get the rental riots and all this.

01:47:57.220 And you can go online and see weeping videos from people from the democracy rights and labor bureau that they've been working there for 15, 20 years and suddenly it's gone and it is going to have a devastating – of course, it never has a devastating impact on these things.

01:48:11.960 I mean, a great example is the AP ran a story about – I think the initial title for it was Trump's move to end USAID crushes cocaine programs dedicated to combating the cocaine trade.

01:48:33.560 And they – the article is the biggest self-own you'll ever read.

01:48:38.180 It's all about how, you know, we have all this money that goes to Colombia and to Peru and to Bolivia to stop the cocaine, to stop drug trafficking in the – you know, Colombia is number one, Peru is number two, biggest coca leave, you know, cultivation in the world.

01:48:55.480 And goes on to say, we spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year to – cocaine is going to flourish.

01:49:03.300 Then they have a statement that they include because they reached out to the president of Colombia.

01:49:07.400 President of Colombia says, we're thrilled that USAID is gone.

01:49:11.220 They, you know, they made the problem worse.

01:49:14.200 Then they go to Peru and the number two called, you know, coca – sorry, coca leave cultivator.

01:49:23.560 And they said the Colombian – the Peruvian government refused to comment.

01:49:27.520 But we talked to the former head of the National Commission on, you know, narcotics prevention, you know, the former head of the part of the Peruvian government that handles this.

01:49:37.980 And he said, you know, thank God the USAID programs are – on combating cocaine here are gone.

01:49:48.180 They were the primary problem in this whole thing.

01:49:51.220 Actually, the – and he gives an example.

01:49:54.620 He says, actually, not only did none of the money actually ever reach the groups, but they only slowed down action that the Peruvian government tried to do.

01:50:02.460 When the Peruvian government tried to do something to stop cocaine, USAID would step in and they would delay things.

01:50:07.960 They would drag things.

01:50:08.920 It's almost like they wanted the cocaine.

01:50:10.100 And then he gives the example of these – he says, and in Bolivia right next door, Bolivia banned USAID in 2013.

01:50:17.820 And they drastically reduced the cocaine trafficking because there was no USAID cocaine program keeping the cocaine flowing.

01:50:27.180 And so, anyway, but what I'm saying is this is all done through these, you know, these State Department bureaus, which are now being reorganized.

01:50:35.720 And one of the – so at the executive branch level, I would say there's – we have huge wins at the National Science Foundation, which is a major, you know, NGO and university sponsor for this.

01:50:48.060 A couple of big misses, though.

01:50:51.060 How the National Endowment for Democracy remains fully funded.

01:50:54.560 They were talking a big talk, the Trump administration, about defunding the National Endowment for Democracy, which I would say is one of, if not the worst of the worst offender in this entire space, especially with Damon Wilson at the helm, who came straight from the Atlantic Council Digital Forensics Research Lab, which was the censorship super center of the Western world.

01:51:15.100 Seven CIA directors on the Atlantic Council's board, funded by the Pentagon State Department and USAID.

01:51:20.420 The Atlantic Council, where he came from, at that time, the Atlantic Council was running training seminars to get journalists to flag Trump tweets, including one seminar called I Call Bullshit, where the Atlantic Council Digital Forensics Research Lab, where Damon Wilson was the head.

01:51:38.520 They are training schools of journalists holding up Trump tweets on a jumbotron that says, two words, witch hunt.

01:51:47.120 This is one month before the Mueller hearing, so Russiagate was at its apex.

01:51:51.780 They wanted to censor or call disinformation Trump's attempt to present his own case around Russiagate. 0.97

01:51:57.820 And they provoked journalists to hold up Atlantic Council-sponsored placards with the word bullshit on it. 0.91

01:52:04.760 And that means sponsored by you and me, because we pay for them through 11 different government agencies, pay the Atlantic Council. 0.89

01:52:10.080 So why is NED, National Endowment for Democracy, Atlantic Council, why are they still getting government money?

01:52:17.920 I'm not privy to those internal conversations.

01:52:20.620 I have actually seen the IR – so there's four cores at NED.

01:52:25.640 There's the two political branches, NDI for the Democrats, the National Democratic Institute, IRI for the Republicans, the International Republicans.

01:52:32.020 Which McCain ran for years.

01:52:33.260 Yep, McCain ran.

01:52:34.280 Mitt Romney's on the board.

01:52:35.840 Madeleine Albright, by the way, was the head of NDI.

01:52:37.660 Hunter Biden was on the chairman's advisory board of NDI.

01:52:40.160 Nina Jankovitz was at NDI.

01:52:43.320 But the – so those are the two political branches.

01:52:45.080 The – and then the other two core fours are the exact other two groups who signed that secret agreement around organizing destabilizing street protests in case Trump won.

01:52:59.680 The third one is called the Center for International Private Enterprise, CPE.

01:53:04.580 That's the U.S. Chamber of Commerce branch of NED.

01:53:07.500 And the fourth one is called the Solidarity Center.

01:53:10.080 That's the AFL-CIO union arm of NED.

01:53:12.760 So, what do you know?

01:53:15.380 The never-Trump Republicans, the Democrats, the Chamber of Commerce, and the unions, the exact group behind the Transition Integrity Project, which explicitly plotted in the height of the George Floyd riots, ran a war game about how the Biden campaign encased Trump won in a clear win scenario.

01:53:37.400 Clear Trump win was the name of their scenario.

01:53:39.320 Scenario three.

01:53:40.420 This is in June 2020.

01:53:41.420 It's in June 2020.

01:54:11.400 The Chamber of Commerce then flooded them with $50 billion in contributions.

01:54:15.160 Do you remember that?

01:54:16.040 All the different Chamber of Commerce companies just flooded billions of dollars of donations to BLM.

01:54:22.280 To destroy our country.

01:54:23.540 Yes.

01:54:23.940 I mean, while the AFL-CIO and SEIU were all on the streets with them, just like they are around the world when we want riots in Georgia, we want riots in Serbia, we want riots in Hungary.

01:54:34.240 We go straight to the AFL-CIO branch.

01:54:36.740 And, but those are the four corners of NED are the exact four corners of the effective insurrection against Trump during term one.

01:54:44.420 I don't understand how that can remain.

01:54:47.300 I know IRI has made reforms.

01:54:49.100 Let me say this to their credit.

01:54:51.880 In full disclosure, they have reached out to me.

01:54:54.700 And I think I've mentioned this publicly before, but I haven't really been able to say all that much because it's just doesn't really come up much.

01:55:01.500 And I have seen them attempt to make reform.

01:55:04.560 This is the Republican side of it.

01:55:06.140 And I've heard from folks around its senior leadership that they, that they've recognized how elements of what they were doing before were inappropriate.

01:55:19.300 They'd gone rogue, that certain people who were there are not there anymore, that they are trying to align the, their actions with the foreign policy set by their sponsors, the U.S. government.

01:55:33.760 And I've seen, and I have seen genuine good faith efforts.

01:55:36.960 They're trying to participate in democracy now.

01:55:38.700 Look, I'm not weighing into whether or not they're doing it for cynical self-serving reasons or whether, but frankly, you could argue they may have been doing the other, the bad stuff.

01:55:45.760 Or because the Biden administration wanted them, you know, to, you know, to do that or because the, you know, Trump was on shaky ground in his own first term and didn't really control his own Congress or, or budget or, or had a very strong coalition.

01:56:01.460 But the point is, is NDI has not made those, has not made those reforms at all.

01:56:07.620 The, the Solidarity Center has not made those reforms.

01:56:10.060 And the issue is, is if you, if you say, okay, IRI has reformed, the Republican branch of it has, but these other three are still rogue.

01:56:22.060 Well, then what happens, the whole purpose of NED is that it's bipartisan and, and that it therefore sort of synchronizes U.S. policy, U.S. foreign policy on both sides of the political aisle because everyone's on the take.

01:56:36.300 So everyone has a reason to invade Ukraine.

01:56:39.080 Everyone has a reason to topple Assad.

01:56:41.000 But if only, if, if IRI reforms, but NDI doesn't, what happens to NED?

01:56:47.400 Do you see what I say?

01:56:48.400 I do.

01:56:49.360 What I, this is my last question, but, and you, you will know the answer.

01:56:52.580 So when I hear you talk, it's like, it's my childhood.

01:56:55.640 You know, I just grew up around this stuff.

01:56:57.140 And, you know, pre-91, the assumption was we're locked in a, an existential struggle with the forces of darkness, the Soviets on board with that. 0.95

01:57:09.060 Post-91, you know, ultimately we came to realize that we run the entire world and that's like a huge management project to keep everything under control and sort of moving in the right direction.

01:57:19.760 And, but, you know, we're in charge of the world.

01:57:21.900 Post-2023, there's like, there's no way you can tell yourself that.

01:57:30.000 It's just not true.

01:57:31.380 And the BRICS is now, represents a bigger economy, bigger population, bigger military than the West.

01:57:37.440 So, I guess my question is, do the people running all these different groups understand that their 1980s era assumptions are just like overtaken by events?

01:57:47.820 Do they see the world clearly?

01:57:49.060 Do they know the limits to their own power?

01:57:51.580 Do they know what's up?

01:57:53.520 I think they do, actually.

01:57:54.720 Good.

01:57:56.500 As I mentioned, I'm, I'm reading Bill Burns' autobiography, the CIA director for Biden.

01:58:02.280 And.

01:58:02.460 A very close friend of Epstein's, by the way.

01:58:05.460 No, no, just, just a fact.

01:58:06.700 Yes, I know.

01:58:07.180 I just saw, just saw emails from Epstein to him.

01:58:10.120 Yes, that's.

01:58:10.720 Someone showed me.

01:58:11.740 Doesn't, I think Bill Burns is a very smart guy.

01:58:14.000 And I, I'm not for Bill Burns, but I'm not, I'm just saying.

01:58:17.500 Friend of Epstein's, yeah.

01:58:18.840 Right.

01:58:19.020 But, um, I think there is recognition of that.

01:58:23.240 And I think this is also why you see this, everything is alliance based and why you see, for example, the Biden administration moving so deeply in tandem with the EU on all things.

01:58:36.600 Um, and using EU regulatory action to box out, you know, populists like the Biden administration was totally behind the EU Digital Censorship Act that is going to become, that's completely.

01:58:48.420 Absolutely.

01:58:48.600 Yes.

01:58:49.040 Literally.

01:58:49.480 I think their internal documents from their, uh, White House Information Integrity Working Group, um, planning the whole thing as well as the USAID programs to, to beef up the terms of it so that it can be used against domestic enemies in America.

01:59:02.860 But the fact is, is, is I think this is, this is part of the global alliance structure.

01:59:11.340 And I, I actually don't think that the Biden administration really moved unilaterally, assuming unipolar power, um, almost, almost every major foreign policy decision.

01:59:22.560 You know, would, you know, would, would have the buy-in of the UK, France, the in power parties in Germany and Canada and paid very close attention to, um, to, and, and, and in fact, you know, partnering with in many, many ways, China.

01:59:41.040 I mean, Trump blocked China from being able to, um, import oil and gas from Iran, block that for four years, two months into Biden's term, China inked the, uh, Iran deal for 400 bill, by $400 billion of oil and gas from Iran.

01:59:58.040 Um, it's just, I, so I don't think there is a kind of, uh, as much of the unipolar, there is some of it, definitely.

02:00:05.320 Like you hear the John Bolton types, um, you know, talk about, uh, you know, almost presupposing that we can just bully everyone around.

02:00:14.080 But I think even that is done with an expectation that it's going to be NATO wide.

02:00:19.360 It's going to have, you know, allies, um, around the world.

02:00:22.880 Well, but, but I, to your point, uh, I think that the Ukraine Russia war and, uh, you know, is, has been a humbling period, which I think is why there actually is an appetite for peace.

02:00:39.360 Um, even within many aspects of the blob, they just want peace on terms that are beyond their leverage to obtain.

02:00:51.120 And, um, you know, that, that is a war of attrition that, you know, gets back to the, the efforts to cut USAID and the NGO plex USAID spent $15 billion.

02:01:04.420 Uh, I think it was one year alone on, uh, on Ukraine on this USAID NGOs are, are funding the pensions of people in Ukraine, are, are, are funding the, the salaries of municipal workers.

02:01:22.200 There's, there's more welfare for people in Ukraine from USAID than, you know, effectively, uh, American citizens who live here legally.

02:01:34.080 And, but the fact is, is if that USAID spigot gets cut, things will go south very quickly.

02:01:40.840 This is why the EU is creating its own army, you know, built a trillion dollar budget that they've announced that for the EU to, you know, effectively create a parallel NATO in case Trump, um, dips out of that.

02:01:52.200 But in the heat of this, you know, I mentioned a few of the failings, one of them, Ned, another one is a trillion dollar Pentagon budget, um, is, is, uh, is hard, hard for me to imagine that that does not go to prolonging the war, but the Trump administration is a tough choice.

02:02:11.180 You know, if you, you know, if you totally deprive Ukraine of the lifeline that they've had, everything crumbles immediately, but then, uh, you lose the, the deal terms you, uh, in the sense that there's no hope to, uh, have territory in Eastern Ukraine, uh, you know, flow back to control by the Kiev government.

02:02:34.240 Um, there's no hope to recover the, the, the, all the petroleum resources in Ukraine.

02:02:39.480 Ukraine is the third largest, uh, shale, uh, uh, reserves, I believe in all of Europe, uh, especially in the Donbass and, uh, off, off sea, off the offshore, uh, at, in Crimea and the Black Sea.

02:02:54.280 And so, you know, I, I think Trump is, is between a blob and a hard place.

02:03:00.560 You know, he, he has to, if he wants a budget done, he needs Congress to approve.

02:03:05.520 We do not have a populist supermajority in Congress.

02:03:09.100 We have, there are more populists now in Congress than there were under Trump one.

02:03:13.080 So I don't think Trump will, will get as rolled as he was by Paul Ryan, but there will be rolling, uh, undoubtedly.

02:03:21.680 It was, we've seen 26 members of Congress, I think have said that they're not going to approve the doge cuts, just the doge cuts.

02:03:29.100 Uh, and while you're getting handed even more money from a, from a trillion dollar Pentagon budget, and how much of that trillion is going to be civil military, i.e.

02:03:38.060 NGOs, because the military funds these NGOs, as I mentioned, the secretary of war is on the board for the U.S.

02:03:46.640 Institute of peace, the, the Pentagon pays the Atlantic council, the Pentagon pays for NATO, which has all the social, societal resilience and social cohesion grants to the NGO space to do all this.

02:04:00.360 And so a lot of, you can shut down USAID, but you can just call it civil, civil military and the civil society NGOs will be funded by the Pentagon.

02:04:12.600 So, um, Trump has to keep his coalition together.

02:04:16.440 And so he, he's, he can't get everything he wants, just as we're not a unipolar power anymore.

02:04:22.120 Trump is not a unipolar president, but so, so I'm happy with singles and doubles, um, as long as, as long as the direction line is towards a better country, the question is, is, are we even going to get the singles or doubles?

02:04:43.100 Or is, you know, is the blob going to get enough home runs and triples on the other side of it that on net nothing comes to pass?

02:04:50.460 When you next come back, I'd, I'd love to hear what a trillion dollars a year buys.

02:04:58.380 Considering that we're separated from our enemies by two oceans and face no invasion threat.

02:05:03.860 I'm thinking that's a pretty big budget.

02:05:06.760 And I know that I'm probably not a good Republican for pointing that out, but, uh, I guess I'm not a good Republican in general, but like, what is that?

02:05:16.340 So here's the problem.

02:05:17.120 It buys votes.

02:05:18.020 No, no, I know.

02:05:19.300 It buys votes in Congress.

02:05:20.420 If you want, if you want to fire people at the justice department, if you want to get people approved, you know, by the Senate for their positions, if you want to get rid of the department of education, Hey, you might need to give them a, you might need to give them a Pentagon bone.

02:05:32.800 Um, and, and it's a very dirty soup.

02:05:37.040 Mike Benz, a very clean man.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - May 27, 2025

Mike Benz： The CIA’s Use of NGOs to Coup Foreign Governments, and How They’re Doing It to Trump

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