The Tucker Carlson Show - Mike Cernovich on Epstein, Demons & Spirituality, and Feds Embedded in the Conservative Movement

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00:00:26.300 at tucker carlson.com here's the episode how do you live on the internet without having it destroy

00:00:32.140 your brain i went through that in 2017 and where i felt like my brain was becoming a little bit

00:00:38.560 dopamine fried so for me i just said i'll just do less and i went to dc less and i did less of

00:00:46.820 i made myself irrelevant in a way so there was a point where i was on a and i was on a real arc

00:00:54.240 to be a big deal and then my brain was getting fried i looked at videos of myself my face was

00:01:00.780 all red i was just having this inflammation because the cortisol and i was getting calls from people in

00:01:06.000 dc three or four in the morning and i was breaking a bunch of stories so i was like oh phone kids

00:01:12.060 and i realized i was losing myself to this world this digital world yes and then i go man i don't

00:01:18.640 i don't want to this sucks dude i'm gonna have to figure something out i ask you what is what do you

00:01:22.240 mean it's cortisol what does that mean a stress hormone so when you're under stress fight or flight

00:01:27.720 response you're gonna have cortisol and then cortisol is inflammatory and then that's what

00:01:33.180 makes a lot of people who maybe are healthy look a little stressed out because you bloat you hold water

00:01:38.840 yeah there's a lot of things that go with it so a lot of people when you lose a high when you leave a

00:01:44.800 high stress job people will be oh i lost 10 pounds no you lost about five or 10 pounds of water yeah

00:01:52.300 because you're not oh the buzz the buzz right oh i gotta i gotta respond to that wait so you felt

00:01:58.640 like you were succeeding too much oh yeah yeah i love that yeah objectively um yeah and then most people

00:02:07.780 fret about not being successful enough yeah but i it's how you define your spiritual world or how you

00:02:13.160 define what you want to do with life and i noticed that i got tired of people like for example like

00:02:19.320 me me doing this episode with you i almost didn't do it because i got oh man i'm gonna have a bunch of

00:02:25.660 people texting me how do i get on tucker what's tucker's number can you get this thing to everyone

00:02:30.980 has my number yeah no i know but the people like everyone on the planet they're so but they're so

00:02:36.520 incapable they can't find it right okay all that and then my dms will be blowing up and and that was

00:02:42.360 the problem is people oh get this to don jr i saw i saw that you were a thing where don jr is

00:02:47.100 get this to trump gets it and i go no man this is not really what it's about so the the only real

00:02:53.780 way to describe how i ended up in this weird world was it was uh it was a gonzo it was a ride

00:02:59.980 it wasn't a deliberate calculated move how can i become a whatever because i was an influencer before

00:03:08.100 there was a term influencer i was recognized in public for what i wrote on the internet this is

00:03:13.440 before you can make any money doing it this was before there were brand deals this was just people

00:03:17.500 had blogs or people on social media blowing off steam or goofing off or whatever and so i was i was

00:03:25.340 very early to what's now knows it known as an influencer but so you you start i mean you had a

00:03:32.060 completely different life you're a lawyer um you live in california but you're not from there you

00:03:38.200 this you're not basically where you decided where you thought you would be 20 years ago but you start

00:03:44.120 succeeding in this new world but i still don't understand how it came to you that you don't

00:03:49.380 want to be as successful as you are well i decided i wanted to become irrelevant and the reason is

00:03:55.620 because that's the opposite of what most people want right i wanted to be i was i have a story about

00:04:00.900 this i won't say who it is but i was having dinner with a friend of mine and i was working on my next

00:04:05.160 book which was called audacity how to go from nobody to somebody and it was a discussion of

00:04:11.520 again influencing before people knew them as influencers and it was about brand building

00:04:16.340 getting your message out rhetoric and i was having dinner with my friend and he goes you know what by

00:04:20.860 the time you finish this book you're not going to publish it and you're going to call it how to

00:04:25.200 become a nobody and i kind of laughed and said oh ha ha ha he was he was right i never released

00:04:29.980 a book and you wrote the book but didn't publish it yeah just felt it was too vainglorious felt it

00:04:36.100 was too self celebratory i felt like my ego was seeking external validation too much and then i was

00:04:45.180 losing who i was and losing what i wanted to do and lose because i my whole philosophy is wait how did

00:04:51.460 you come to that did your wife mention it to you or no no i quiet moment you realized you were going to

00:04:57.760 become a worse person you just you feel it subtle subtle little things and little gestures you you

00:05:05.220 would google your name i don't have a google alert on my name i don't know anything people occasionally

00:05:09.480 will send me this have you seen this no and i'm not trying to act like i'm too cool for school but i

00:05:14.780 don't do that because you'd google your name you'd name search yourself on twitter what are people

00:05:19.080 saying do i got to respond to this and you become a little you become a brand not a person right or you

00:05:25.200 become an account that's how they refer to people on x formerly known as twitter oh that's an account

00:05:30.700 and i say no but that's what happens you lose your humanity and you're no longer humanity you're more

00:05:36.960 like a cyborg or you're living in an augmented reality of social media where you whoever you are

00:05:43.480 doesn't exist and you're engaging in some kind of performative dance for a mob of people who are

00:05:51.220 who necessarily don't necessarily have your best interests in mind like who's that that completely

00:05:56.140 crazed chick who has the mental breakdowns on camera i think she works the washington post she's

00:06:01.020 from greenwich yeah yeah taylor lorenz taylor lorenz yeah um who's on one hand is loathsome but every time

00:06:06.400 i've ever seen her i just maybe i have too many daughters i feel so sorry for her because she's

00:06:11.920 clearly been destroyed by what you're describing oh a lot of people do there's a certain look some people

00:06:16.900 have when they're in front of a camera and where they're this is where they want to be right they

00:06:22.280 ham it up for the camera yeah and i had always been the opposite so for me my biggest if i had an

00:06:28.400 influence on this it was i don't know if you ever watched him dr eugene scott on satellite radio well

00:06:35.020 dr eugene scott from my childhood in california oh there you go even better the university cathedral

00:06:39.600 yeah the guy the public access guy who would sit in a chair on the telephone and yell at viewers yes

00:06:44.980 when i when i was in like sixth or seventh grade my brother and i would fire up a bowl and watch

00:06:50.560 her watch dr gene and he hated his viewers he would say you're not you're disgusting i told you to

00:06:57.040 send me money and his phone bank behind him that's the guy the voices of faith he was incredible yeah

00:07:01.060 i grew up so we had a bootleg satellite radio transmitter and we picked up dr eugene scott

00:07:08.200 and he he's probably the greatest influence on me and how i do media because i'll go on these

00:07:16.460 is anyone listening to this you're watching this just hit pause go on to youtube is he on you are

00:07:21.940 there tapes oh yeah he's got to be long head yeah yeah he died years ago one of my life's regrets is

00:07:27.100 i never went to the university cathedral before he died and that was one of my memento mori moments

00:07:32.400 so he because his his affect his way of communicating was like so strange how was he an influence on you

00:07:40.420 you seem much less strange okay he sits around reading books the the most obscure knowledge and

00:07:47.260 would go down these deep rabbit holes that nobody really cared about and then am i boring you am i

00:07:52.380 boring you and he would scream am i boring you do you want to hear more get all the telephones

00:07:56.880 and then they have these horse videos because he was a horseman and you just have to see these

00:08:02.060 horses videos and i thought this is the coolest mo mofo that i've ever seen in my life this guy's

00:08:07.900 amazing and he was a phd he's a brilliant guy genius guy he'd know all this trivia and i thought

00:08:13.880 man that's cool i kind of want to be that guy when i grow up and did anyone else on your block want

00:08:19.500 to be dr gene scott i don't know that anybody in the world wanted to be in the world i don't know

00:08:25.260 that anyone else but me found in this to be an aspirational character and i would watch him for

00:08:30.400 hours a week especially because it was the only thing that might because we were very strict

00:08:34.720 household what we could watch my dad would let me watch him forever so for me that was one of the

00:08:40.200 few things that i could watch and i could watch it with my dad and i was i was obsessed with his

00:08:44.880 delivery style i thought it was cool that he just sat around and read books because if you think about

00:08:48.340 it people go what do you do for a living and the answer is that i read books and write about what i

00:08:53.140 read and what i find interesting that's it and there's no more there to it than that but there's

00:09:00.460 a lot of there there if you look at it in that context so he would be framed by piles of books

00:09:05.860 and it would be the most weird stuff at least growing up in a small town book she'd never heard

00:09:09.940 of we didn't have amazon.com back then and i thought that'd be cool just sit around read books

00:09:16.540 talk shit yell at people who are watching you scream go on tirades smoke cigars where do i sign

00:09:23.720 up for this how do i do this watching it was was almost like a masochistic experience because he

00:09:29.520 hated you but he commanded your attention and then told you to send him money and a lot of people did

00:09:35.240 well i don't know that he hated you as much as i because i what grew up and watching pro wrestling

00:09:39.040 too i viewed it more as a bit because i think that he had a genuine smiley effect to him and i think

00:09:46.060 that he did i think that he was happy and enjoying what he was doing i viewed it much less that he had

00:09:51.640 contempt for his audience but more that he was a rabble rouser and he was doing a bit of a pro wrestling

00:09:58.000 bit he was a heel he was an intellectual heel so if you look at rick flair was rick flair a good guy

00:10:03.420 bad guy rick flair didn't hate the audience right the bad guys would run in the iron sheik would run

00:10:10.220 in cussing people out he didn't hate his audience that was his bit right so dr eugene scott that was

00:10:15.240 his bit he was a heel an intellectual heel and he was having fun and i think the audience was

00:10:21.080 was in on it and if the audience is in on the bit then it becomes fun no that's i that's a much

00:10:26.080 deeper reading than i i was capable of giving it but i think you're right so you decide

00:10:31.820 to disappear become less relevant how do you do that and did it work absolutely worked i don't

00:10:37.800 have people asking me to to find out how to get in touch with anybody in the trump campaign or

00:10:44.120 anybody who sounds like you just pulled back from politics then well unless i pulled back from

00:10:47.740 politics i did this video and i i thought one of my epiphanies was i was reading a book and because

00:10:54.960 it goes both ways so i don't know if you've ever gone to a modern bookstore anymore but it's pretty

00:10:58.860 depressing and then you'll see a book and you'll see the author is some crank on twitter that is a

00:11:03.800 completely not credible person so i can't read history books anymore because i read these historians

00:11:08.980 on on x and i go oh they're lying about trump i can't listen to a dan carlin podcast hardcore history

00:11:14.760 i can't listen to any of this because when you read what they're writing about contemporaneous events

00:11:19.480 you realize there's nothing about them that you can trust in any of their storytelling with that

00:11:24.360 and then i reached another epiphany where i was reading i like paulo aquella books a lot

00:11:31.420 and he did he's famous for the alchemist but he's written a bunch of other little side quest books

00:11:35.600 i read hippie recently and i thought i don't know what this guy looks like i wouldn't know if i saw this

00:11:41.620 guy in public i don't really care what he had for dinner but i like his books and then i thought i want

00:11:47.960 to be more of a book as a metaphor i'm a book you read my x account you scroll you read it that's

00:11:55.380 interesting you get mad because i maybe word things in a way that you don't like but you don't really

00:11:59.960 care that much about me the person right it's more of the words whereas when i was doing a lot of live

00:12:06.520 streams a lot of videos there becomes more of an emotional component to it right because tv is way

00:12:12.600 more powerful video is way more powerful than audio video is way more powerful than the written word

00:12:17.360 but less enduring so in my mind i thought well i'll do fewer streams because i would do these very

00:12:23.300 popular live streams i just quit doing them and i found that that made me significantly less relevant

00:12:30.020 but happier more content that you know there's a great book on the happiness hypothesis i've studied

00:12:38.080 the philosophers you know as philosophy major in college and i learned that happiness is a dragon

00:12:44.600 really it's not a destination it's more about it can only be obtained indirectly so i think less

00:12:51.200 about happiness and i i kind of rejected that oh are you happy and more along the lines of is it

00:12:57.560 meaningful is it impactful is it significant is it having the desired outcome for the world and the

00:13:04.660 desired outcome for me and in that regard much less relaxed much less stressed out i have much less

00:13:10.960 cortisol pulsing through my body that's for sure i can wind down easily so for example that i can

00:13:17.360 raw dog a hike four hours and raw dogging hike means no audiobook no podcast no radio just me and my

00:13:26.180 thoughts it's called raw dogging when you don't have electronics on you that's the new the new meme

00:13:31.200 when you can raw dog that's so pathetic yeah but that's how attached like it's an achievement

00:13:37.440 well we're all cyborgs now not me well i hate that shit yeah it's getting there yeah but if you can do

00:13:44.920 that for hours that's right i don't wear headphones in the gym so i did much less disconnecting from

00:13:49.380 the augmented reality world or the virtual reality world and spent more time in physical world raw

00:13:55.100 dogging i thought that was like no condom it is but you know memes change and language usage

00:14:01.040 change amazing and that's amazing what's going to happen in this election nobody can nobody can

00:14:06.660 know because the democrats have all these tricks up their sleeves that people aren't prepared for

00:14:12.540 that for example that what they're doing now with motor voter registration is they're registering

00:14:17.860 illegal immigrants who come into the country and they'll just harvest those ballots right it's real

00:14:24.080 easy to do you we have 10 or 11 million people in it over the past couple years on the biden

00:14:28.820 administration you register them all the vote it doesn't matter because they're not going to vote

00:14:33.700 so there's no voter prosecution and there won't be any record of voter fraud by them but you have all

00:14:39.500 these names now and a swing state remember elections decided not by the popular vote it's decided by 50

00:14:45.980 to 100 000 votes in three to four states right so all you do is you need 8 000 votes in georgia

00:14:51.860 push them through right 20 000 votes in arizona you have all these extra names now added to the

00:14:59.320 voter rolls push them through right wisconsin has those um drop boxes back push them through

00:15:06.820 and you don't need to do another scale of millions you just need to do it strategically

00:15:10.560 and 10 000 here 20 000 here so that is why we don't know what's going to happen in november there's

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00:19:53.320 i mean if that's correct that's so dark i almost don't want to dwell on it but um

00:19:59.400 then that that's why it would be fine if biden stayed then well we want biden to run in november

00:20:07.240 i think he's the weakest candidate that we can have but there's a new enthusiasm happening knowing

00:20:13.880 that if biden stays in the race they have to save biden because now there's real peril people took it

00:20:17.960 for granted that biden was going to win democrat voters especially and now they're thinking that

00:20:24.200 he might not win and that'll drive more democrat voter turnout it's going to be hotly contested man

00:20:30.600 it's going to be hotly contested people saying trump's up two on this poll trump's up three in

00:20:34.040 this poll none of that matters it's going to be hotly contested election and people are getting

00:20:39.240 laxadaisical well yeah i mean there's a huge scramble in washington just to you know i want to

00:20:45.000 be secretary of this or secretary of that or i mean they're acting like it's it's done yeah they're

00:20:51.480 they're acting like they've won which i don't like there's a lot of congressional races that are

00:20:56.040 close that people need to watch out for democrats might take the house they think they're going to

00:21:01.480 take the house what's being done there and unfortunately not much unfortunately people

00:21:07.240 aren't running on the issues that they want to run on so for example i was talking about this yesterday

00:21:11.400 on x and in orange county there's a real concern that orange county could become like the bolshevik

00:21:18.200 run los angeles county so a guy ran todd spitzer ran for which is right next door

00:21:23.720 right ran for district attorney his campaign pan his camp todd spitzer ran for um

00:21:32.360 district attorney so yeah the district attorney election the campaign slogan was no la and oc he won

00:21:39.480 by two to one margin orange county what did he mean by that he meant no crime no crime waves like they

00:21:45.720 have in la none of these homeless encampments none of this bail reform so-called happening

00:21:52.200 criminals yeah prosecute criminals basic stuff it's in a way you feel like um mentally stunted that you

00:21:58.440 have these conversations no it's so true no it's it's your you're in a surreal parallel reality where

00:22:04.120 you go oh no you see the way to win republicans is you want to enforce the criminal code against people

00:22:10.760 who murder people you want to actually put criminals in jail and then you have these weird

00:22:16.680 surrealist moments in yourself where you think did i say that am i stupid this is banal why are we talking

00:22:22.600 about this it's right and you go no but it it is banal it's utterly stupid and yet that's where we are

00:22:29.560 as a society so you do have to talk about it you have to talk about it all the time you have to remind

00:22:34.760 people of this all of the time because that is the dumb world that we live in and it does feel

00:22:40.920 sometimes you demoralizing because you feel like you're talking below your intellect right as a

00:22:47.080 writer as a speaker you want to talk about issues that interest you and interest and that you find

00:22:53.400 novel right oh i read this book what's this book you read what's that about oh i went down that rabbit

00:22:58.440 hole that's cool and so much of our time unfortunately has to be devoted to saying okay republicans

00:23:05.320 crime is bad people don't want crime you're running you need to talk about crime and then

00:23:11.720 you see them talking about everything but crime and you think no okay i have to grab you by the

00:23:17.640 shirt todd spitzer did talk about crime yeah he won by two to one in a 50 50 so that well i would

00:23:23.000 think that every other republican ask michelle steel ask these orange county congress members how

00:23:28.120 much they're talking about crime ask them when's the last time they had a press conference

00:23:31.480 about crime oh but i'm running for congress it's a national issue no it's not it's local right

00:23:37.240 running for congress is not a national ballot referendum it is a local election that's right

00:23:43.640 you need and they don't understand these things and you think how do you not understand these things and

00:23:47.800 then i think i'm wasting so much of my time with mediocre people who either have no will or there really

00:23:56.440 are this dumb and what am i doing with my life so that's where you have these existential crises

00:24:02.520 i've been there but it's why wouldn't you talk i mean crime there's no defense of it at all so and

00:24:10.200 you're a republican you don't have to be for crime you're not for rape so why wouldn't they talk about

00:24:15.800 it it can't just be stupidity they feel pressure not to i think that they don't understand the issues and

00:24:22.920 the way they should and that they get too much caught up in the dc think tank realm and i don't

00:24:30.520 think that they're being told you can't really talk about crime i think that in their gilded world

00:24:38.040 they don't understand what the issues really are concerning people they don't have any kind of

00:24:43.480 concept of how bad it is in certain parts and i do think that they're afraid of the media attack so

00:24:48.120 when the orange county district attorney ran for office the media of course attacked him smeared him

00:24:53.320 fascism far right this that but he over overwhelmingly won and as you know republicans

00:24:59.400 are controlled by the media in terms of the narrative they're so afraid of a hit piece right

00:25:04.600 they're so afraid of negative press coverage that they allow the media to dictate the agenda

00:25:09.880 why would you let your enemies control you that's the philosophical question right that's the question

00:25:15.320 is why are republicans so pathetic and i've spent a lot of time thinking about that and i think that

00:25:21.160 there's a strain of christian nativity that people don't like to talk about because then it seems

00:25:26.200 like you're oh you hate christians now cernovich you you're anti-christian and i say no if you read

00:25:31.960 the verses in the bible they say you got to be gentle as a dove but wise as a serpent right everybody

00:25:36.760 everybody everybody skips over that part and you have to ask where's the serpent type wisdom where

00:25:44.440 are you not understanding these issues where are you not thinking where you're not being shrewd

00:25:48.040 and they aren't they have this nativity and they have this gullibility and they have this weakness

00:25:53.880 that comes from being too nice so the biggest problem one of nietzsche's great criticisms

00:25:58.360 of christians that i think has held up well with the inversion of morality and how christians became

00:26:05.480 a morality of a slave type morality which is self-sacrifice self-abnegation denial of yourself

00:26:13.560 well in one way these are good christian virtues which is if you think your ego is getting out of

00:26:18.280 control it might be good to become a little bit less relevant it might be good to take a step back

00:26:22.680 from the limelight these might be good things to do for your heart but that doesn't mean you let

00:26:27.080 somebody kick in the door and torture you to death right and but or rape your wife or hurt people you

00:26:33.560 love or kill people whatever the case is it doesn't you don't let that end up like the czar uh lined up

00:26:40.280 against the wall with your family while they both folks kill you right there's too much of that strain

00:26:47.000 of weakness that has infected a lot of the the modern christian traditions to where they don't

00:26:52.840 have really an understanding of it and they're the net flanders all gone by golly gee can't we all get

00:26:58.200 along kind of types and then because of that they're more open to being persuaded by evil forces because

00:27:05.480 they don't have that strong grounding and that courage to stand up against evil well they certainly

00:27:10.920 lack courage what's evil how are how are we defining evil we define evil as anti-human if you start from i

00:27:17.240 like cs lewis's take on this which is whether it's true or not i think is a good way to by true i mean

00:27:24.040 whether it's a metaphor or it's literally true people can debate but if you think of the the fall

00:27:30.680 of the angels and then you think of humanity you would understand that the demons are at war with

00:27:38.040 god's creations humans because humans still have god's love humans are still capable of experiencing

00:27:44.520 divine grace and experiencing god's love whereas the demons who rebelled during the fall are not so

00:27:50.680 what they want to do is implement anti-humanist policies and have human suffering and have human

00:27:57.480 despair and you can feel that force again whether it's a literal one involving actual forces or whether

00:28:04.680 that's a metaphor you could say the evil would be anti-human but i mean it almost has to be a

00:28:11.960 supernatural phenomenon because by definition human beings would not be inclined to be anti-human

00:28:17.800 animals don't act against their own interests animals don't commit suicide there's a lot of

00:28:23.240 strange elements of the human condition a lot of that suggest outside forces that are not human

00:28:28.200 acting on humans yeah humans given to despair in a way that animals don't despair would be

00:28:34.200 incomprehensible to other animals that wonderful dh lawrence poem dh lawrence has this great poem about

00:28:41.320 watching a bird it's two lines long drop dead of cold and fall from the bow dead

00:28:47.640 to the ground and not feel a moment of self-pity right i mean that that is kind of the difference

00:28:54.280 right that's us i remember one time we hit a deer as with a friend and the deer's back broken it just

00:28:58.120 kept running to try to live right whereas a human would immediately think oh my life is over right so

00:29:04.520 we have this fatalism in us something bad happens to us and we define it in oh my life is over no it

00:29:12.040 isn't your life's in a bad spot right it sucks it might suck for a while but your life is not over

00:29:19.480 right so then what is that despair so i think when i think about these terms and i think of what is evil

00:29:25.240 or what i think is demonic i think in terms of the worst thing you can do as a person is despair

00:29:31.320 because one that rejects the divinity of christ because you're rejecting that you can be saved

00:29:36.680 because if you're despairing then you're saying that i reject christ right that's probably if not

00:29:43.480 the greatest sin one of the greatest sins because i'm in despair okay therefore you don't believe

00:29:48.360 christ can save you you're completely under control of the forces right the dark forces and then i think

00:29:56.120 of evil in terms of causing human suffering and being anti-human so that's interesting how do you fight i

00:30:05.400 mean if you've got your head in the internet all day and the civilization that produced you was

00:30:09.720 collapsing and evil is omnipresent and hurting people before your eyes including people you love

00:30:16.680 how do you keep from despair well because the the timelines are different right in our primitive minds

00:30:24.760 we think oh this is the worst everything's falling apart no no it isn't we're not even in bolshevik era

00:30:31.160 we're not even in communist china era under mao we're not in the cambodian genocide so there's a lot of

00:30:37.720 and this goes back to maybe why republicans are so weak a lot of us have been so psychologically coddled

00:30:43.880 that we view things as being insurmountable problems that we can't solve i think it was mao

00:30:48.920 who said that americans would break if there were ever a war in america yeah we've never had

00:30:53.560 world war ii everybody was bombed that was real despair we were the guys over there helping the british bomb people

00:30:59.640 right certainly in america we weren't being bombed we had women had to go work at factories and other

00:31:04.120 things but it was nothing like europe and their wars so in america we're so psychologically coddled

00:31:10.920 that we think oh we're like we're losing our country you're always losing your country time does not

00:31:16.280 stop the world is not static there's always forces being pushed there's always a dialectic there's always

00:31:20.920 good versus evil there's always been lower points in humanity and higher points in humanity so we don't

00:31:25.560 know where we are even on the cosmic timeline on god's timeline on the demon's timeline on the

00:31:30.760 angel's timeline we don't even know where we are first of all that's mistake number one is that we

00:31:37.080 are in our own mind gods and we understand the moment that we're in and we understand that the

00:31:42.360 moment that we're in is so unique and that there's a narrative arc happening that is either over and we've

00:31:49.160 won because you never win or we're losing and oh my god we fall into despair so the problem is i call

00:31:55.480 it like the marvel the marvel movies capture this well you don't watch tv or movies and i can't even

00:32:01.560 watch them because they're so formulaic but the idea is here are the people bad guys come in destroy

00:32:10.200 things hero emerges good guys come in good guys beat bad guys good guys kiss the girls the end right

00:32:18.760 and that's what we love in the american mind but if you looked at it and you zoomed out not from that

00:32:25.800 simple narrative arc that we love as americans you would say well now these buildings were blown up

00:32:30.040 people are dying people have lost sons and daughters people are wailing and agony in ways that we can't

00:32:35.160 begin to comprehend and you haven't even won because there'll be another bad guy there'll be another

00:32:39.640 bad guy coming down right so you haven't what do you mean you've won the good guys won no the good guys

00:32:44.600 have resolved the conflict in their favor and now you have to rebuild and then you have politics and

00:32:51.000 people fighting as they rebuild who's going to get the contracts who's getting ripped off you have

00:32:55.880 all these kids now that you have to watch out for what you do with them right so when you when you

00:33:00.840 think of it in that way it can either make you despair more because you feel totally helpless oh my

00:33:06.040 god these problems are way worse than i thought or you realize ah we're going through a thing right

00:33:11.000 we're going through a thing okay this is a bad thing we're going through let's see what we can do

00:33:15.240 about it so there's a there's a term that i picked up from the the ayahuasca kind of people in that

00:33:21.560 little scene and i think it comes from addiction and they say the only way out is through right yeah

00:33:28.120 and it sounds sort of glib the only way out is through what does that even mean but it means when

00:33:33.320 you're in the shit you're in the shit you're in the shit bro what do you want me to do you want me to

00:33:38.280 hold your hand you want a milk and cookie you want a little snuggle you want a baby bottle

00:33:43.080 you're in the shit bro what are you gonna do sit there and and cry yourself to sleep no you just

00:33:47.960 keep going the only way out is through right so when you adopt that as the way you live doesn't

00:33:53.880 mean you don't have bad days but you realize yeah i'm in the shit okay what am i gonna do call mommy

00:33:58.840 get a little blankie maybe have a bottle suck on my thumb a little bit no you're not gonna do that

00:34:03.960 right you just keep pushing through what's the closest you've been to despair the i mean i've been

00:34:10.440 in despair and the human rolled over money in hindsight kind of laughably small amounts of

00:34:16.280 money but at the time when you don't have any and you're like i wasn't approved for student loans i

00:34:21.160 got approved for student loans and then i didn't get approved and then i thought i was gonna have to

00:34:25.400 drop out of law school because i could we couldn't get my student loans and now looking back at it

00:34:29.640 i was like what i was bugging out over that right but at the time that's your whole world yeah so the

00:34:35.560 the smaller you define your world the bigger your problems seem right so if you want to have less

00:34:40.120 despair to find your smaller you define your world the bigger your problems seem yeah that is wise yeah

00:34:46.360 so that i look back at that now and i think oh my god i was borderline suicidal over just a

00:34:52.360 financial problem you know like i could have just worked for whatever right there's a hundred

00:34:56.520 different ways to solve it and so i had a ton of despair there and then i've i've definitely had

00:35:07.320 despair over despair maybe is not the right word but close to it where we get trump over the finish

00:35:14.680 line 2016 and he's going in and all of a sudden the people who got him in there pushed in the side

00:35:21.960 and all the people who opposed him take over what do they say that the people who start revolutions

00:35:27.960 rarely finish them yes and i thought we're living this right now and i was bummed man i was bummed

00:35:34.120 that we took all these personal risks that we made this happen an impossible feat and all of the people who

00:35:43.800 are never trump ended up in the administration ended up staffing things and that made you feel like

00:35:50.680 despair maybe less of a word than powerless where you're like we did the right thing and sometimes

00:35:56.040 you feel that way with these republicans like we gave you congress we we gave you trump we gave you

00:36:02.040 the white house we gave you congress we gave you the senate and we can't do anything we can't do

00:36:07.640 anything not nothing is changing right or we get you know we get um the republicans congress in this

00:36:14.040 last election and they still send all the money to ukraine and you're thinking what do you what

00:36:19.880 are you guys doing they were confirming all these radical judges and the senate and they go oh well

00:36:25.400 lindsey graham is rubber stamping all these appointments we'll block them in committee do

00:36:29.240 something right so you're in a way you're screaming into the void like what are we doing why are we doing

00:36:36.120 this why do i have all these gray hairs over this stuff yeah and if i but again that's that's me and my

00:36:43.000 own ego defining the problem small right and then that's what or defining the world is small as

00:36:49.000 everything is based on that one issue and then that makes the problem seem bigger then i just try to zoom

00:36:53.640 out remind myself we're on a longer timeline we're on the timeline of affinity do what we can do that

00:36:59.720 doesn't mean give these people a pass but the despair sets in when you think what like what more do

00:37:05.560 we need to do right we've given you guys everything and even now with trump world trump is going against

00:37:12.520 a project 20 uh 2025 people and those were his most loyal staffers these are the adults in the room

00:37:19.320 that he's going to need if he wins and a bunch of never trumpers are at his ear again and tell him to

00:37:26.760 issue statements going against all these people and you realize man we're going to relive 2017 but

00:37:32.760 biden is so bad that we've got to vote for trump but it is the energy isn't the way it was like when we

00:37:39.240 voted for trump in 2016 we were not voting the lesser of evils that was why a lot of people

00:37:44.200 like me who didn't care about politics or didn't really care to vote got involved do i really care

00:37:49.240 if it's john mccain barack obama 100 i don't 100 i don't fair do i really care if it's mit romney or

00:37:56.680 barack obama 100 i don't right because mit would have done more wars so obama will do things worse on

00:38:03.080 social issues but mit would have had us in war with russia immediately if you could have so you

00:38:07.240 think okay do i care not really clinton versus trump we're talking about the fate of human civilization

00:38:16.120 yes i say this to this day and i believe with all my heart that the people who voted for trump in 2016

00:38:23.080 did the greatest act of human charity and maybe human history because tens of millions would have died

00:38:28.920 had hillary clinton won they had their whole game plan bro they were going to go get in some kind

00:38:33.640 of war with syria that would have led to some shootout with russian mercenaries and american

00:38:37.480 special operations troops people like joe king can explain all that eric prince can explain all that

00:38:42.600 the table was set for war three with russia we were able to delay that so we were able to say can i ask

00:38:48.760 you just a dumb question but why would anyone want a war with russia like what was that so you're saying

00:38:54.600 back even in 2015 16 ghouls like hillary clinton were planning on war with russia why well they need

00:39:01.880 a big war they it's just big war but why russia because they're a legitimate power and it would be

00:39:08.280 a real war they were tired of these little tiny land disputes where we're winning they need they

00:39:14.920 need massive destruction and why because they were i mean they worship evil they want more humans to

00:39:21.560 suffer if you look at war from yeah good answer i mean so if if you look at war and you start with

00:39:29.960 the fundamental definition of evil and what evil is then you would realize that the demons don't care

00:39:37.080 which side of the war they're on all they care about are humans are killing each other right that's

00:39:42.440 their own agenda so they'll that's why i want to hear people talk about things like oh we'll have a

00:39:47.080 civil war in the u.s like well that's demonic and you don't even realize you're a demonic influence

00:39:50.760 what do you think a civil war is like have you looked at what happened in yugoslavia you look

00:39:54.760 at the aftermath of that show me where show me you have a civil war and this is a good outcome

00:39:59.720 where this is something that you want to never idealize right it's demonic but they don't think

00:40:03.720 that like we're the good guys and we're being oppressed by the bad guys that that is demonic

00:40:08.760 influence we're the good guys they're the bad guys and i first of all do believe we're the good

00:40:13.880 guys and i do believe that the other side of the bad guys but once that leads you to down that road

00:40:20.760 then you're the demons are smiling because they don't care oh yeah you are the good guys you're

00:40:24.920 the moral you're the righteous they're the evil ones oppressing you they worship demons you're the

00:40:29.800 you're the good christians you need to go to war with them you're still in that frame right so

00:40:34.200 everything about human flourishing is trying to escape that frame the framing of the anti-humanist forces

00:40:40.920 real or metaphorical and then you realize that there are people who are obviously convening with

00:40:47.560 these evil forces consciously or unconsciously do you think in some cases consciously i i i'm not

00:40:54.200 i don't believe that because there there's not enough wisdom that you would have if you were

00:40:58.840 convening with the with the entities yeah yeah it's not something that you would you would know like

00:41:09.800 i can tell if somebody's been down that route and you're like no no these people they don't have

00:41:15.160 how can you tell there there's um there's an infinite divine wisdom that you access when you

00:41:22.680 pierce the veil between the man's world and the spirit world and when you go over that veil or

00:41:30.760 pierce through that veil you are immediately humbled because you laugh at how much pride you might have

00:41:38.440 had as a person yes you think oh wow i thought it was hot shit oh i'm nothing here i'm nothing

00:41:44.040 here oh my goodness okay and that's probably why it's able for me to be become less relevant over

00:41:50.280 the years because the danger is then you become too egoless and you don't do anything right so you

00:41:55.960 become complacent yeah it's tricky right am i living in pride am i living in boastfulness okay i don't

00:42:03.160 want to do that but if you don't have a little bit of pride you don't have a little bit of drive

00:42:06.840 you don't have a little sizzle then maybe a message doesn't get across too so you're it's

00:42:12.120 constant there's constant tension right but the the spirit world realm they show me oh yeah i mean

00:42:18.040 that's it's tension it's always tension it's always duality right yin and yang if you look at the the

00:42:23.960 medical staff two serpents you look at dna two strands there's always tension which is why

00:42:30.840 despair happens when you think that there's a final outcome in one way or another and then

00:42:35.880 complacency happens when you think nothing matters and then hubris happens when you think

00:42:40.520 that you've won and the game is all over yeah and you don't realize julie caesar gets stabbed in the

00:42:45.000 back by his friends and little supporters great the cold war ended but history has not ended exactly

00:42:50.920 yes and that once so once you just embrace the dualistic struggle within yourself then you realize

00:42:59.240 okay i do need to do a little bit of this but i but i can still struggle against the baser elements of

00:43:04.680 myself i i didn't mean to pull the conversation into another direction so um thank you for explaining

00:43:11.320 that 2016 if hillary had won millions would have died in the wars that she planned i think that's

00:43:19.800 absolutely right um voting for trump stopped that at least for the time being but you felt despair

00:43:27.800 because you felt that trump himself was subverted or allowed himself to be subverted by people who hated

00:43:33.320 him and it made you feel powerless demoralized yeah it's probably a continuum so despair would maybe

00:43:42.520 be overstating it but on the continuum it'd be demoralization and yes and where you think oh man

00:43:50.040 i can't believe that i really i can't it's like if you got your kid a new car and the kid crashed

00:43:54.600 the car right away while drunk driving yes you think wow brother why right yeah no why why why and

00:44:03.000 there's but that but it had a magnified intensity yeah because it was the country most of us well

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00:46:59.640 have you felt despair in the last couple years

00:47:04.440 um i mean i felt despair in spirit travels during the those um

00:47:09.480 um those sessions yeah you feel you get in touch with that human emotion of despair you get in touch

00:47:16.520 with uh the darkest side of energy and uh more challenging parts of being a human for sure

00:47:22.920 but you're not driven to despair by the news on twitter oh that's such a small potatoes compared to

00:47:28.120 the spirit world this is a small potatoes it's so trivial compared to the real war happening and the

00:47:34.920 real forces at work that it's hard to even take seriously to the point that i have to reel myself

00:47:40.760 back in but you do have to take it seriously even if it is small small stakes compared to the real

00:47:47.000 compared to the real conquest so what are the real stakes the real stakes is one on the individual

00:47:52.280 level you're a mortal soul that's the real stake the the greatest challenge that i have

00:47:56.840 every day is trying to sanctify my own heart and my own soul because what i've learned through

00:48:06.840 various experiences and then reading a lot of the old orthodox christian wisdom and learning actually

00:48:13.720 how christianity was supposed to be it was more and why i never really resonated with protestantism

00:48:19.640 if you want to go i mean so protestantism i feel like is very mind-driven here's a scripture

00:48:25.160 this is what the scripture said i'm a baptist i can't drink alcohol and somebody else would say oh

00:48:29.640 well jesus turned water into wine and you're fighting sola scriptura you're fighting by citing

00:48:35.320 different references in a book that is sometimes contradictory right and then but the real spiritual

00:48:41.400 traditions remember christianity started out as a mystical tradition we look at now as oh here's

00:48:46.360 the bible and the bible is the word of god and you realize no the ethiopian orthodox christians

00:48:50.120 have books of the bible in there that you haven't even read right you guys are still fighting

00:48:53.720 over whether the book of enoch is real or not right what do you what are you doing you think

00:48:58.920 you this you think you have the answer is it do you think oh for sure i think it is and what i've

00:49:04.920 learned is that you you can learn from the heart you have to learn how to think from the heart

00:49:11.960 rediscover beyond your own conscious but realize that your heart has its own intelligence which i

00:49:17.800 thought would be woo woo kind of laughable stuff right i'd read these books like the four agreements

00:49:21.400 um sanuel luis i think his name is don miguel san luis i would read paul coelho and i would think

00:49:28.920 oh what a bunch of to be honest like what a bunch of pussies right come on i'm a man i don't want to

00:49:33.560 read about my heart i don't want to read about crying what a fucking what a bunch of pussies you

00:49:38.440 know who are these people right honestly that was my reaction and assessment of a lot of the stuff

00:49:45.160 and then i realized that was my own foolish pride my own hubris that i was realizing that

00:49:50.440 i was afraid of the heart i was not strong i was weak because of my own mind i convinced myself to

00:49:57.400 hide from the heart because the heart is the source of your pain also the source of your great joy and

00:50:01.800 love right so if you live in mind and you live in ego you constantly paper over heart and you think

00:50:08.440 that's because you're strong i'm a real man i don't cry right where'd that come from you're a real

00:50:13.320 man you don't cry why are you afraid of crying i'm not afraid of crying that's an interesting

00:50:18.120 reaction right so as you do as you study the more of the mysticism and the real spiritual traditions

00:50:26.040 and how it was practiced then you realize that the heart is its own intelligence and then you're

00:50:31.480 trying to rediscover the intelligence of the heart and once you rediscover the intelligence once you

00:50:36.840 rediscover the intelligence of heart that's the higher morality the higher morality isn't

00:50:43.320 the words we create the rules we draft out the higher morality is in your heart but we become

00:50:48.280 so disconnected and detached from the heart that that sounds ridiculous or it sounds like

00:50:52.760 pussy shit you know woo woo pussy shit right it's it doesn't i in in my hearing anyway but it does

00:50:59.400 raise the vital question you know what what is good look like you've described evil but so

00:51:06.200 how do we know that the impulses of our heart are the right impulses yeah good is love

00:51:11.240 good is human flourishing good is flowers blooming evil is wheat fields being cut down in ukraine as

00:51:19.320 people kill each other people who are brothers separated by a line in the sand kill each other

00:51:24.520 there's no flowers there's no children dancing there's no gardens flourishing right that's evil there's

00:51:31.320 death life is love is human flourishing flowers blooming children laughing right c.s lewis once said

00:51:38.200 that it was a great feeling of his that he didn't find the laughter of children satisfying he found it

00:51:45.000 kind of kind of annoying right yes and he'd never had children right but he had but even not having

00:51:50.600 them he realized that he was missing the because that's heart yes heart is you hear a kid crying on

00:51:55.880 a plane oh i hope the kid's all right yeah me being an asshole shut your fucking kid up don't you

00:52:01.960 control your kid you're weak you know yeah that's the the ego the male and it's that part of me that i was

00:52:09.560 trying to get away from and that i've been still trying to get away from right the male egos worship

00:52:13.720 me i'm so great i'm so relevant share my stuff read my stuff oh the president read this i know this guy

00:52:19.960 and this guy is important and that's the male ego and that'll just spin you out of control forever

00:52:25.560 and then the heart is man i kind of snapped on my kid i feel bad i hope my kid's okay you know i

00:52:30.840 shouldn't have snapped on my kid why did i snap on my kid oh because i was in that moment the kid was

00:52:36.920 marrying something about myself i don't like that's that's the truest thing right there will

00:52:41.000 you explain that a little more well we've and this goes back to even aristotle why we why we judge

00:52:47.960 and we often judge harshest and others that which we don't like about ourselves but often we're in

00:52:53.080 denial about those aspects of ourselves and so we don't even realize that we're doing it we're judging

00:52:59.080 them because we don't like that part of ourself and you don't realize no it's that part of yourself

00:53:02.520 that's broken that's what you want to fix right yes that's what you want to think about and

00:53:08.040 unfortunately not enough people talk about it or it sounds woo woo or you get down a certain

00:53:13.080 tradition or you're well that's just the most obvious and real thing ever for every parent

00:53:17.560 i mean if you like your wife i speak for myself i when i see my wife's good qualities reflected in

00:53:23.160 my children i love it when i see my bad qualities reflected in my children it drives me crazy

00:53:27.560 right and and then what so what do you take away from that when that happens

00:53:35.560 that you know i should be more patient and less judgmental and in fact if a child is displaying one

00:53:40.840 of your ugly qualities you know you know what it's like to struggle with that quality so you should be

00:53:45.240 more compassionate but of course i'm speaking for myself i'm less i hate that right so i i think that

00:53:52.680 some language that i found that was useful and what you're dealing with and deal with and what

00:53:57.720 we'll always deal with for the rest of our lives is a lot of our work as parents is closing those loops

00:54:02.360 of childhood trauma or closing the loop of whatever your issue is right because the way we perpetuate

00:54:08.600 momentically our worst parts of ourselves is through raising our children right and what i try

00:54:14.600 to think of is closing the loop and when i see something in my kid that bothers me or triggers

00:54:22.200 something in me i think well why is that happening and then i think how can i have that child not

00:54:28.200 continue continue this right how do you how do you break that how do you break that cycle and how do you

00:54:34.200 how do you close that loop and i think that becomes a lot more important than getting people elected

00:54:39.080 into office i think if more of us did that well how do you do that you you see something ugly in

00:54:44.280 your child that you know comes from you you've transmitted something either genetically or through

00:54:49.560 conditioning to your child whom you love most in the world of course that is like bad how do you how

00:54:56.040 do you fix that well the more you've learned about yourself the more that you can transmit the knowledge

00:55:01.640 to kids i'll give you a very basic example my firstborn has first child energy and that's very nice

00:55:09.480 first child energy is leadership knowledge often giftedness inquisitiveness she's always reading

00:55:16.680 books she had this little rubik's cube and now she's saying dad can watch a youtube video on how

00:55:20.840 to solve the rubik's cube all great energy firstborn energy but a lot of firstborn kids because they're

00:55:28.760 put into that role maybe that we as parents have to watch out for of being a caregiver for other

00:55:34.600 children that's right we want to ask ourselves one am i robbing my daughter of the magic of childhood

00:55:41.800 and the wonder of childhood hey go watch your brother i got to do this right maybe i'm robbing

00:55:47.640 her of the wonder of childhood okay i need to calibrate that sometimes they do got you know

00:55:50.920 life is life right sometimes you have to do what you have to do but at least i'm mindful of that or

00:55:57.960 am i having her grow up too fast okay why don't i just take a walk with her one-on-one

00:56:02.520 just take a walk and just talk with my daughter just about her what's going on in her mind let

00:56:06.840 her ramble on let her talk about what she finds interesting don't don't ask questions or try to

00:56:12.840 direct the conversation just kind of like let it flow and then when you're doing that you're closing

00:56:18.120 the loop of a because in my case i didn't i was sort of robbed of my childhood a lot of ways

00:56:24.200 and because i wanted to grow up i don't want to get out of the situation and you realize no you're

00:56:27.800 letting them be a kid they still have to we all have to live together and it isn't perfect all the

00:56:33.800 time but you're letting a kid be a kid or another thing first children do is because they have to

00:56:39.800 look at the well-being of everyone they'll negotiate against themselves right my daughter i don't know

00:56:46.360 if i'm gonna ask for this dad what do you want what do you want to ask for she's like well i don't

00:56:49.800 know if i should ask for it because i think my other my sister i think wants ice cream but i really want

00:56:53.960 this and i would say well don't negotiate against yourself ask for what you want i can still tell

00:57:00.440 you no maybe it won't work out but let's close that loop because i noticed that i would negotiate

00:57:06.200 myself against myself sometimes in business dealings and it was something my wife would point out

00:57:11.080 where especially because i was never really like a greedy money-driven person a lot of times i would be

00:57:16.920 more compliant than you would expect giving my personality right giving my personality you might think put

00:57:22.920 a dollar on the table and he's gonna fight me i'm thinking why are we fighting over a dollar this

00:57:26.840 is stupid really this is dumb but people will take advantage of that right so i had to learn

00:57:34.760 much later in life unfortunately into my 30s and even now in my late 40s i had to learn no no you

00:57:40.200 don't negotiate against yourself don't worry about them they're worried about themselves they're

00:57:44.520 self-interested actors they're going to try to get as much as they can out of you let them worry

00:57:49.240 about themselves you worry about yourself and i realized oh that's first child energy because i

00:57:55.080 was always worried about is everybody okay is everybody doing all right within the family realm

00:57:58.840 well keep that to your family so with my first born i do want you to negotiate against yourself with

00:58:04.280 the family thank you i want you to think about everybody with the family but i want you to know

00:58:08.360 what you're doing and then have tools to know that when you're going into business or you're doing

00:58:13.080 dealing with other people put that energy aside right how old is this child seven and a half does

00:58:19.880 she understand oh yeah yeah yeah she's a old soul yeah so a lot of my a lot of my virtues but a lot of

00:58:29.400 my um existential dread i had very a lot of existential dread at a very young age so one day for example

00:58:35.960 she was oh maybe five or six but she was young i remember she was young and i was waiting for

00:58:44.280 this and hoping it wouldn't happen we were hanging out one day she was dad i feel weird why do we have

00:58:49.880 bodies i thought oh man oh no the genetic whatever spiritual curse or blessing that has been passed on for all of

00:59:00.520 these centuries or millennia is with her because that was very much how i felt like a kid i felt like

00:59:08.120 this body isn't mine why am i here this doesn't make any sense i've always felt alienated from

00:59:14.760 my animalistic materialistic body i've always felt like it was weird that we had bodies i was a gnostic

00:59:21.800 as an early kid what is this thing that i'm what torture am i being subjected to by having to live

00:59:28.520 in a body right and there was nobody i could talk to about this kind of stuff they lock you off like

00:59:34.120 a nut house right sounds like a nutty thing and i was like so i told shauna i said well she's asking

00:59:41.320 you know she's asking these kind of questions now but i'm able to treat them differently maybe than

00:59:47.320 it would have been when i was a kid or maybe then i would have been treated when i was a kid

00:59:50.600 what did you say i said it's weird isn't it what are these things flopping around right it feels

00:59:59.640 weird to be kind of disconnected and alienated from your body and we're here on a spiritual mission

01:00:07.000 and that's why we're in these bodies where this bodies is part of the spiritual mission that we've

01:00:11.800 been sent on for since the beginning of time and that we're on a spiritual mission to discover the

01:00:16.920 mystery of the human bodies we're on and we're on a mission to elevate humanity and to elevate the

01:00:22.680 human condition and you have these gifts but along with that comes the responsibility to elevate the

01:00:30.520 human condition and to elevate society but that it is weird and it's normal to feel you told your

01:00:35.400 seven-year-old she had a an obligation to elevate the human condition when she was five four and a half

01:00:39.960 oh yeah light times in the sort of itch household how did she respond for yourself okay okay dad yeah

01:00:48.040 i don't know that she did because i don't want to wear that as a burden of course right but she's like

01:00:52.600 okay dad how'd you get over you were telling me at dinner last night i won't betray anything that's up

01:00:58.200 to you but um i think it's fair to say you had a like stupendously shitty childhood like almost never

01:01:03.960 really heard a story like that before you don't seem you wear it very lightly you don't seem

01:01:09.320 tormented by it how'd you get over that reading a lot of self-help books and yeah yeah nothing

01:01:15.880 nothing deeper than that realizing that your past isn't what defines you the lowest thing that happened

01:01:21.560 to you isn't how you define yourself and then that's what brought me into media was the brain is

01:01:27.240 inherently there's a great book on this wired for story we're obsessed with stories right campfire tell

01:01:31.880 me a story yeah let's regale ourselves of stories that's how we transmit knowledge but with our own

01:01:36.520 brain that get that gets hijacked because we tell ourselves certain stories and then we often frame

01:01:44.440 them in the most miserable disempowering way so me i define as the story of my childhood man that was wild

01:01:55.800 and i got out of there alive what a what a trip and you can define it that way or you can define

01:02:02.200 it as here all these things that happened to me i'm garbage i don't matter i'm scum i don't deserve

01:02:08.520 love i don't deserve good things in life and then you can define that as your story and if you define

01:02:14.520 that as your story that's the path to despair that's the pathway to depression so you made a conscious

01:02:20.840 decision to see your childhood as this kind of maelstrom that you escaped and feel grateful for

01:02:26.200 that it's this thing that happened to me and then if i want to give into ego it's a great thing that i

01:02:31.160 overcame or if i want to forgive people and love people i can say my dad worked shitty factory jobs

01:02:37.560 never cheated on my mom never smoked a cigarette never hit us other than the traditional spanking culture

01:02:44.200 that existed at the time never got drunk never he never did anything and he did the best that he

01:02:50.440 could with the knowledge that he had and what a sacrifice did he have and am i grateful enough

01:02:57.800 as a son to to appreciate that to understand what it would be like to be broke to be on welfare a

01:03:04.920 little bit with the shame that a man must feel when he loses a job my goodness what did my dad go

01:03:10.040 through so i got on my own myopia remember you know we always wanted to find the world larger

01:03:16.120 than ourselves the more we focus on ourself the smaller we define the world then every problem is

01:03:21.000 so big that's right right so then i think oh man what how hard was that and how how generous was it

01:03:29.240 that my grandparents paid off the mortgage of the house because that was a 200 a month payment which

01:03:35.800 was a ton of money back then and how different would my childhood have been and how lucky am i

01:03:41.320 that i got out and how many things could have gone wrong in my life and and completely all through the

01:03:47.480 course of my life so hey buddy you're so proud of yourself you think you're such a great overcomer

01:03:52.280 how much luck was there how much of that was divinely inspired maybe a little bit of it was maybe you

01:03:59.160 need to get over yourself maybe you need to get over your little pity party and realize that things could

01:04:04.280 have gone a lot differently right so i'm always consciously reframing the story of myself and

01:04:11.560 the narrative of my life in a way that is that is zooming out wider and looking at what were other

01:04:17.880 people's problems what were they you doing i mean a friend of mine you know you do ayahuasca he was

01:04:23.400 beat up as a kid and he was um you know he had ayahuasca experience and he saw himself getting beat up as a

01:04:30.200 kid and he saw his dad but he saw that his dad was beat up as a kid and he was like oh my god my dad was

01:04:38.280 beat up as a kid holy shit that's why he did it and it doesn't excuse the child abuse but when you

01:04:47.480 when you zoom out and you realize that was what has happened then you don't blame yourself and then if you

01:04:53.640 don't blame yourself you can forgive yourself right because it's not that you're unworthy it's not that you

01:04:58.840 don't don't deserve love it's that that person felt that way and they transmitted that knowledge in a

01:05:05.160 really horrific way and then you're allowed to forgive them and then you're allowed to move on

01:05:09.960 and you're allowed to to heal yourself because it wasn't really your issue right and and often these

01:05:16.440 realizations are hat it's very easy to talk about like it's nothing but when you're in the shit when

01:05:22.840 you're in the work these are not easy conversations to have with yourself so i i get in the shit

01:05:28.840 and i go into those places and i go into the the darkest experiences that have happened to me

01:05:35.080 and then i do feel that torment i do feel like i'm being attacked and then you know the only

01:05:41.160 way out is through and you just keep going through it in a world increasingly defined by deception and

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01:06:27.080 what's going on with whites and not just in this country but in every white majority country whites

01:06:32.920 are becoming the minority uh they're hated they hate themselves they're not reproducing and the

01:06:39.880 amount of energy expended by our leaders sort of openly disparaging them encouraging them effectively

01:06:46.360 to kill themselves or to to want to kill themselves uh is overwhelming i'm not saying this as a white man

01:06:54.040 though obviously i am um but it's just it's it's it's very striking and it's global what is that

01:06:59.480 i had a weird experience when i was in south africa visiting and in south africa you have a

01:07:08.280 basically a cell you lock yourself in a cell when you go in an apartment so you get an airbnb

01:07:12.120 you open the outside cage you go in and then you open another cage to go into the bedroom and then you

01:07:17.960 lock that cage you have to have all these layers of protection and i remember talking to some white

01:07:24.760 south africans about that and they go oh well it's just payback for apartheid and they shrugged it off

01:07:31.000 and i said i can understand maybe a little bit of looting as payback for apartheid i can understand a

01:07:36.120 little corruption as payback but horrific violent crimes is not a proportionate response to something

01:07:42.920 that people did before you were even born and ever since then i've been struck with the mystery of

01:07:48.600 this collective racial guilt that white people carry around that nobody else does if you look at

01:07:55.800 any other ethnic or racial group no one carries around this strange guilt for sins that were

01:08:02.440 committed before you were ever born and i don't understand it i don't understand where that comes

01:08:06.600 from i don't understand the biological basis for the spiritual basis for it because carrying around

01:08:11.880 collective guilt racial guilt is actually anti-christian doesn't make any sense at all

01:08:15.240 and is a it's a knot that i haven't been able to unravel i mean it it does seem like they're

01:08:23.560 disappearing that just like as a numbers matter and even saying that is forbidden which itself is

01:08:30.520 really revealing i mean if this were true of you know comanches or aleutian islanders or han chinese you

01:08:38.600 know if they were diminishing in number really strikingly really quickly over a short period of time

01:08:42.680 you'd be like what the hell is going on with filipinos you know what i mean they're not

01:08:46.040 reproducing everyone hates them they're dying uh but even to say that about whites is like somehow

01:08:52.360 bad or something and that tells you that we've all internalized this hate white people thing you

01:08:58.040 really don't know where that comes from well a great example of that is that if you look at gun deaths

01:09:04.440 this is how they they bring the stats on deaths they go oh there's 50 000 gun deaths a year

01:09:09.160 when you look at it it's suicide it's almost exclusively white male suicide via firearm and i

01:09:15.560 always said that if you really cared about gun deaths you would immediately do an intervention

01:09:19.640 into white male suicide because that is the primary usage of you know white men have killed themselves

01:09:26.280 personally not personally no i know a friend who had overdose with uh opioids so i guess i know a lot

01:09:34.120 i mean i'm probably i'm several years older than you um but i know a lot i know like five at least

01:09:41.560 so yeah that's that's interesting right so if you cared if you cared about gun deaths you would know

01:09:48.520 that the lowest hanging fruit is white male suicide right you would know that you're not going to

01:09:53.560 confiscate people's guns that would cause social a lack of social cohesion that none of us even want

01:09:58.760 to think about all that is fake the real thing you would go after is gang violence and you'd go

01:10:04.360 after white male suicide if you cared if you actually cared about gun deaths you wouldn't point out the

01:10:09.320 occasional tragic school shooting which is statistically very unlikely even though the

01:10:13.480 horrific when they happen you would say okay we have a gun violence problem to solve

01:10:20.120 how are they being used okay most of the people killing each other with them are

01:10:23.960 gangbangers and then you have white males killing themselves let's do an immediate

01:10:30.040 i mean it's it's laughable to imagine this happening in a world that were logical

01:10:35.720 and not driven by hatred you would see all kinds of interventions public service announcements

01:10:43.640 happening about white male suicide it would be one of the biggest issues people talked about you

01:10:47.960 would say did you have any idea most people don't most people think you're lying about the stats when

01:10:51.800 you tell them oh no half half of the gun deaths that they bring up are suicide and white men are

01:10:56.600 3.5 times more likely to kill themselves than anyone else and people that can't be true like well you

01:11:01.320 can go black women are the most oppressed group in the united states that is a an article of faith for

01:11:05.880 everybody we hear that every literally every day um but the suicide rate among black women is like

01:11:11.400 negligible well nobody yeah nobody's ever been able to square the circle of how media imaging suppresses

01:11:18.840 the self-esteem of black americans who have almost no suicide but it's building up the white self-esteem

01:11:28.520 within the whites of the ones killing themselves right there's no there's no logic right so it's so

01:11:33.240 i guess that's kind of my point is not to whine about it because i hate whining about anything

01:11:37.400 probably about race however it's so illogical it's so like absurd that it suggests that there's something

01:11:44.440 deeper going on which is people are kind of happy when whites die and that's obviously true oh yeah

01:11:48.840 there's a deep hatred that there's a deep hatred and it would just be it would be a lot easier if i

01:11:53.880 weren't white to to note this because you're a white supremacist if you note it but even that it's like

01:11:59.320 stop complaining about people dying because if you complain about it you're evil or something like

01:12:04.120 that whole formulation is so uh sick that like yeah you're they the framing is not only you can't talk

01:12:11.640 about it but if you talk about it then you'll be labeled a white nationalist the white supremacist

01:12:16.680 right you're thinking bro i'm talking about suicide i thought you wanted fewer gun deaths right you're

01:12:21.640 telling me that you want fewer gun deaths and i'm telling you here's a way to do that and now you're

01:12:28.200 saying no that's actually racist to say that that's a way to say where does it come from i guess that's

01:12:32.840 my question is where does that impulse come from is it is it envy i mean white men have you know

01:12:38.440 created a lot the overwhelming majority of technological advances for example in the 20th

01:12:42.680 century you know electricity the airplane etc um is it that that makes people angry is it is there

01:12:49.560 something spiritual going on like what is this and it does seem to be helpful just to acknowledge that

01:12:53.880 this is absolutely real the numbers show it the mass migration around the world into majority white

01:12:59.640 countries to make the minority white countries clearly driven by hate obviously um but where's that hate

01:13:06.920 come from what is that the ethnic groups have always hate each other like the rwandan genocide

01:13:11.880 for me was always a hard thing to wrap my americanized brain around yes yes because if you're american

01:13:17.720 your whole world is there's white people black people and once you go there no no they know it's

01:13:23.160 so true the cambodians hate the vietnamese and the ties totally right hate each other i remember everyone

01:13:28.920 hates the chinese yeah yeah right and then the han chinese hate the other chinese right yes so anywhere

01:13:34.840 you look there's always been ethnic strife and i think that that's why the agenda the anti-human agenda

01:13:43.960 is to just cram as many different people together as they possibly can knowing that this will create

01:13:49.640 some kind of strife so there can't be there can't be order right so if you look at yes i look at it again

01:13:55.960 real or metaphorically demons are chaos god is logos god is order yes right so when you look at forces

01:14:03.640 driving chaos then you can usually say that's the anti-human that's the demonic element because

01:14:10.120 again the demons don't care who comes up ahead if the demons could somehow inside a race war they

01:14:14.920 don't care what side wins they only care that a lot of people kill each other that there's a lot of

01:14:19.800 despair that there's a lot of suffering that they can harvest a lot of that negative energy that's all

01:14:24.200 they care about so then when we talk about these issues for me it's always challenging because

01:14:29.560 one you don't want to make people feel persecuted you don't want to that is exactly right yes i

01:14:35.160 totally agree can we just pause for a second i've struggled with this a lot as i've watched the

01:14:39.080 anti-white hate kind of define our country and destroy a lot of people i know it's hard to talk

01:14:45.080 about not because i care about being called a racist i'm not a racist i don't care if they call

01:14:49.400 me that but because i don't want to inspire self-pity or a sense of persecution in people because

01:14:54.200 it's really bad for people that's exactly right right and then it can add to the tribalism well

01:14:59.880 totally which we don't want yeah you don't want white men thinking oh boy they're out to get us

01:15:04.360 and now i agree so a lot of times you throw your hand up in the other thing how do i even how do you

01:15:08.920 handle these how do you address it yes because it is an issue opioid overdose deaths are an issue and

01:15:13.160 the way that i try to address it in a spiritual way is i try to focus on a general aspirational message

01:15:23.720 so i get into the weeds on politics i get in the mud i'm not claiming to be some great guru or

01:15:29.800 whatever but i always if you read me long enough you know that i generally speaking believe that if

01:15:36.440 you decide to not be a loser you can live a good life you're not going to maybe live your dream life

01:15:41.880 right you're not going to be in the yankees i was never on the yankees i'm not alex rodriguez that's

01:15:47.480 fine you can you can just accept that you're not going to be that but if you decide you know what i

01:15:52.440 just don't want to be some pathetic loser angry all day about politics getting fat with my mom

01:15:58.120 who has enabled this behavior it's true and if you read me long enough you know like i believe in you

01:16:03.240 i don't think i'm not going to sell you a lie and tell you that you're going to be anything that you

01:16:07.320 can want to be because that isn't the way embodiment works but you can live a good life and there's a lot

01:16:13.160 to be said for just living a good life right there's a lot to be said for living a nice normal life yes and

01:16:20.120 so for me instead of focusing on a lot of the the tension issues i do point them out and identify

01:16:25.800 them but it's always about look man it starts with you the system is rigged my dad didn't get a job

01:16:32.600 because of affirmative action a state police job that was proven when there was a class action settlement

01:16:37.000 i can point to real things that have happened racialized issues where we were on the receiving

01:16:42.520 end of the oppression but if that's all you think about is the world is rigged i can't really do

01:16:48.040 anything now you're given into despair the world is rigged it's always been rigged bro

01:16:52.280 world war one you're gonna get drafted and thrown in to fight in europe and the trenches because the

01:16:58.200 french and the english can't get along and the germans and the australian hungarians are beefing again

01:17:03.640 because the european right so the timeline is always helpful too at the micro level at the micro

01:17:11.160 level you think and this is the message i kind of always teach it's usually directed towards men

01:17:15.880 is there are a lot of people who are despair mongers and they want you to think that all

01:17:22.200 women are terrible you're a white man you're oppressed nothing you do matters everything

01:17:26.920 is or you're an oppressor yeah or you're an oppressor feel guilty about that there's a whole

01:17:31.000 different way to spin it whereas i just start from the proposition hey just decide you don't want to be

01:17:35.400 a loser and take the first step so let's let's get specific i love the way you're seeing this because

01:17:41.880 you're absolutely right um i think it's fair to acknowledge what's actually happening i don't

01:17:47.640 think you should ever lie um it diminishes you to lie lying is evil on the other hand marinating in

01:17:54.600 it clearly doesn't help so you're a 19 year old american man a lot of things are factually speaking

01:18:02.120 stacked against you but you don't want to be a loser and be mad about politics and fat and living with

01:18:06.840 your mom as you so nicely described um what do you do and what do you avoid yeah the biggest thing

01:18:13.480 you want to avoid is that enabling pattern of behavior because most of these guys didn't have a

01:18:20.040 dad figure or their dad was kind of some cucked checked out guy and so as bad as my childhood was

01:18:26.280 in a lot of ways my dad did make me take martial arts when i was getting bullied he did say like well

01:18:31.640 i mean you're getting bullied you got to like do martial arts and it was just very matter of fact that was

01:18:37.160 because that was the old school kind of masculine thing which is i mean you're a chubby kid you're

01:18:41.240 getting picked on you got to learn how to fight and it's going to have to fight people and that's

01:18:44.920 just the way it's going to be yes right that's what i was whereas whereas the mom the fit the

01:18:48.840 feminine wants to nurture right which is good but then that also enables so everything if you look

01:18:53.560 at things energetically the masculine draws boundaries but then it can become too harsh and unforgiving

01:18:58.840 right and that's why god has man and woman but the woman will enable oh baby boy oh you're sad oh

01:19:06.680 let me give you some ice cream oh no you have a bad day right and so you have to have that duality of

01:19:12.360 energy that struggle that creates a complete person or a whole person so if you're 19 you would just

01:19:18.120 want to have a you everything starts with you with a piece of paper and a pen and you're just assessing

01:19:27.080 where your life is right and you're and you're asking yourself i don't know was i enabled by a

01:19:33.720 overly nurturing mother maybe maybe not maybe your problem's different maybe your dad was a dick and

01:19:38.600 he didn't give you love and so now you struggle with love and you're you're too harsh right whatever it is

01:19:43.480 but you just sit down you start assessing where you are in life realizing that especially if you're 19

01:19:49.240 everybody who's old and rich would love to be 19 again right one you have all the wealth in the

01:19:56.360 world even if you don't think of it that way and i was somebody who told me that when i was younger

01:20:00.060 warren buffett trades places with you in a second here you can be me as an 80 year old billionaire

01:20:05.740 and you can i'll be 19 again with whatever bad position you're in would you take the deal every

01:20:12.500 billionaire would you think bill gates wouldn't take that deal that's why they're all obsessed with

01:20:16.460 transhumanism they're trying to figure out a way to get into younger bodies right that's what

01:20:20.280 ultimately transhumanism is about is the fear of mortality the rejection of god the rejection of

01:20:24.440 the infinite so in your own mind you're thinking how can i how can i be in a younger body so one is

01:20:29.820 like what are you crying about bro right what do you what are you crying about you have time to fix it

01:20:35.840 it's going to take five years get on a five-year timeline everybody's on this short timeline right if

01:20:40.100 you're in a bad position and you've probably seen this with people who when they give in despair

01:20:45.700 they're just not thinking of the timeline so oh your business failed okay you're probably gonna

01:20:50.740 be broke dude for a couple years you're not gonna be like not broke in a day but you're not gonna be

01:20:56.520 broke in five years if you set yourself on the right path or like whatever your problem is it's

01:21:01.420 just gonna take time bro it's gonna take five years but start taking immediate action right now

01:21:06.980 in whatever way you can for me the easiest thing in the world to do if you're a young man just start

01:21:11.880 reading old books i said just what books go on the great court go look up the great books of western

01:21:17.000 civilization read read 100 great books go to the gym four times a week call me in a year you won't

01:21:24.960 call me in a year because you'll be kind of figuring things out right so what happens is and again i blame

01:21:31.020 movies and i blame narrative i'm actually i learned a lot from the post-modernists even though they're

01:21:37.800 often attacked on the right the idea of post-modernism and examining narrative structures

01:21:43.820 and how narrative structures control thought so the narrative structure is you're a man

01:21:49.400 you find the green hornet ring and you become some kind of superhero or you're a man and your long

01:21:55.220 lost father is actually half god and he's going to send you on this hero's journey and they're going

01:22:00.240 to send you your sword and shield right if you look at mythology and you look at the narrative

01:22:03.860 structure people have there's even if people don't recognize it they will not they listen

01:22:09.100 unconsciously you believe someone's going to save you the mentor appears if you look at the hero with

01:22:15.800 a thousand faces if you look at the hero's journey you look at all these narrative structures embedded

01:22:20.240 in our unconscious is oh i'm kind of sitting at home i'm anakin skywalker on a desert island

01:22:28.520 orphaned orphaned adopted whatever the case is oh the jedis find me the jedis train me and then i go

01:22:34.280 on my journey the mentor appears bro the mentor doesn't appear that's fake okay so get it out of

01:22:40.380 your mind that the mentor is going to appear and rescue you from your situation you got to be your

01:22:44.720 own mentor right and then once you start from that at a deep level realizing nobody's coming to save you

01:22:50.300 and that's fine that shouldn't make you afraid you have to realize that was what's holding you back

01:22:54.860 because you you kept waiting for the great awakening the great moment to appear it's not

01:22:59.540 going to happen you're just going to get older and decay and give into entropy so you're your own

01:23:04.680 mentor go read the great books of western civilization go to the gym three four times a week and then tell

01:23:11.360 me where you are in a year and by that time you'll you'll find your path but you have to believe that

01:23:16.740 you can find the path right and nobody will do that what are what are the traps the stumbling blocks

01:23:21.260 along the way for young men thousands you get somebody pregnant you lose yourself you drink i

01:23:28.580 don't think anyone gets anyone pregnant anymore unwanted teen pregnancies are still happening i

01:23:32.940 mean people are still fornicating even if on our side of the internet well there's just there's more

01:23:37.180 abortions happening so the and more celibacy involuntary but the top guys are having more women

01:23:44.000 there there's more involuntary celibacy but you want to look at charles munger had a good line um

01:23:49.740 don't race trains or do cocaine right the and the message the sentiment of that was if you're sending

01:23:57.280 a young man on his path you want to say here are the big things that you don't want to do you don't

01:24:03.140 want to get a woman the wrong woman pregnant you are with her if she doesn't have an abortion for 20

01:24:08.120 25 you are tied now to that person quantumly cosmically and materially and physically for decades now so you

01:24:15.960 don't want to do that that's a big problem you don't want to do that you don't want to kill yourself

01:24:19.540 you don't want to drive your car drunk you don't want to race cars you don't want to race a train

01:24:25.780 can i beat the train right you don't want to jump off cliffs off 50 feet into water you don't know

01:24:30.580 how deep it is right but as glib and i don't mean to be glib but that's how much belief i have in

01:24:38.100 young men to know that hey here's some guardrails figure it out dude just start reading books go to the

01:24:44.180 gym because then what'll happen people are afraid to let things emerge organically the male brain

01:24:48.960 and i've seen this with people i know who are incredibly successful but no kids because in

01:24:55.040 their brain they talk about everything that can go wrong oh well what if i get married to this woman

01:24:58.940 she divorces me and their brain spirals they've created a thousand new problems that one you're

01:25:06.920 going to have problems anyway right you're going to have problems anyway of course it's going to happen

01:25:11.080 what if i start a business i mean yeah you're going to have a payroll problem at some point you

01:25:15.280 might have to get a line of credit there are ways to do it you're going to lose sleep because you

01:25:19.040 might think you might go bankrupt and you might think people are going to make fun of you and you

01:25:22.360 might feel like why did i do this yes all of this is going to happen who gives a fuck you know it's

01:25:27.840 like you want to just shake these guys well so that you're describing what strikes me as the bigger

01:25:32.440 problem so the examples that you gave a second ago were all sort of unbridled masculine energy

01:25:38.720 needing as you said guardrails right don't drive drunk or jump off cliffs i don't see any cliff

01:25:44.320 diving or impregnating going on i at least in the class of people that i'm around it and maybe it

01:25:51.080 you know we're from different roles maybe that's it but it seems like young men are afraid they're

01:25:57.900 too cautious they have like some sort of hormonal imbalance that makes them more female more

01:26:04.360 i don't know less likely to take big risks yeah i can't save them i tell them to go to church

01:26:10.380 their churches their their institutions that help those people so in terms of my messaging i always

01:26:17.900 think about who i'm writing for yeah why am i doing what i'm doing why am i wasting my time doing this

01:26:22.400 bullshit you know where i get attacked smeared called every kind of name got investigated by muller

01:26:27.840 know that i'm on the regime's like target what the fuck am i doing this is stupid right i could just go

01:26:33.500 live a nice quiet life disappear off the face of the earth smoke cigars all day hang out with my

01:26:37.800 kids go to the gym what do i'm doing why am i doing this right and the answer is because i'm

01:26:43.700 writing for who i was when i was 19 20 21 just tell me what to do bro give me the playbook i'll figure

01:26:49.540 it out give me the playbook i'm not for the guy who i'm so depressed the world is so rigged i'm gonna

01:26:56.680 go watch anti-semitic podcasts all day because the jews the jews are holding me down you know

01:27:02.040 those are not my people those are lost souls and it isn't my spiritual obligation to reach them that's

01:27:09.220 the obligation of the church that's the obligations of pastors because i'm not caring enough to reach

01:27:14.980 them right i don't want to hear how you're a sad panda that you're just right you're i'm not the

01:27:23.640 right person for you there are people who are the right people for you go walk into a church i'm

01:27:28.360 afraid i'll feel awkward to go to church it's like well what give me a break dude at some point with

01:27:32.620 these people you wonder where how we're enabling them by talking about all systemic problems which

01:27:37.800 are real but realizing go to a church that's why pastors exist to nurture you to kind of put you on

01:27:45.760 the right direction to deal with your fucking beta cuck bullshit but that's not for me i'm not here to

01:27:52.360 save your soul that's the church the church is there to save your soul i'm here to take someone

01:27:56.740 who's maybe had kind of a fucked up home life maybe he's had a wrong turn in life but they will do

01:28:04.040 things but they don't the knowledge right so i'm thinking how can i give them knowledge what do i

01:28:09.520 wish somebody had told me what's the knowledge you need what are the pitfalls that you want to avoid

01:28:14.460 here you go here's a one page piece of paper follow the instructions and then you're not going to

01:28:20.720 need me because you're you're the mentor you're the mentor your own mentor has appeared in your

01:28:24.940 own minds you are your mentor right that's the narrative structure and then go on your hero's

01:28:29.540 journey and in your hero's journey you're going to have peril don't tell me what if what if i marry

01:28:35.140 this woman and she divorces me well what if you don't marry her and you get in a car crash and you lose

01:28:41.220 a leg what are you doing worried around like a worry wart go join a knitting circle right go join a

01:28:47.380 knitting society oh i'm so what no that's called chewing the fat right and it used to be

01:28:53.660 kind of an insult right you'd call somebody a bubble boy or you're like oh they're just sitting

01:28:58.560 around chewing the fat like cows with cud in their mouth right and you're thinking well sure all these

01:29:03.760 things can happen and in business i've lost sleep thought we're gonna go bankrupt and i ruin my life

01:29:08.340 do i have to cash in my retirement account to keep things going who gives a shit of course you're

01:29:13.400 gonna go through that right of course but then i know people who had great jobs that just got

01:29:18.360 downsized one day and then they had nothing and now they have to rebuild their life at 50 right you

01:29:23.100 think having a business is hard how about you rebuild your life bankrupt at 50 right that's hard

01:29:28.860 and but like again it all comes back to like what are you gonna do just sit around mope around all day

01:29:33.860 and there's too much enabling of the moping around behavior

01:29:39.020 do you think that um but there's a line though of and it's hard to know exactly where it is between

01:29:48.400 sort of ignoring this you know this the systems that are repressing you which are real and then

01:29:56.020 feeling hopeless and whiny and self-pitying because they're like you need to push back against injustice

01:30:02.020 but you can't allow the existence of injustice to make you feel you know hopeless people had kids

01:30:08.720 during the great depression yeah right the great depression 20 unemployment rate soup kitchens men

01:30:14.100 with their dignity trying to keep their dignity as they can't feed their family real problems man

01:30:19.900 this shit that we're going through right now isn't good there are problems that are real but

01:30:25.620 in the scheme of humanity and the the length of humanity we're not dealing with shit bro we're

01:30:32.000 not dealing with anything right oh life is so are you in line for a soup kitchen wondering if your

01:30:37.840 kids are going to starve do you have to sell a kid they in cambodia they can't feed their kids

01:30:41.880 right we can take you to other parts of the world and that isn't a way of excusing

01:30:46.020 the excesses of the regime because i fight the regime i'm a target of the regime i've been

01:30:51.100 smeared in every kind of publication right but that doesn't mean i sit around all day

01:30:58.020 thinking that i can't do anything you still have to have that no that's totally right why are you

01:31:02.040 against porn ayahuasca i i think most people who participate in porn were molested as kids

01:31:08.820 so then that puts you downstream of the pedophile cycle of behavior so for me i just my heart just

01:31:17.300 breaks that people do it because i i went from a somebody the ego is self-satisfying right that's

01:31:27.540 what the ego wants to do validation and self-satisfaction and you realize that these are broken people

01:31:34.100 and you're participating in the spiritual damage that was done to them and you're spiritually damaging

01:31:38.080 yourself so it isn't oh this is saying you're gonna go to hell god's gonna strike you down with

01:31:43.720 thunder it's more you're damaging yourself spiritually when you engage with this material

01:31:48.740 and that person is even way more damaged and now you're caught in this cycle of molestation and

01:31:56.200 problems that these people have dealt with so why in the world would you want to be downstream of that

01:32:00.920 level of trauma right that cosmic trauma get the hell get the hell out of that and you didn't see that

01:32:06.960 before no no because i was just i was in cultured we were all groomed okay there was a you know grooming

01:32:15.380 is a big term now and everybody blames it on drag queen story or whatever i watched a documentary

01:32:20.340 on woodstock 99 it was the the redo of woodstock and there was a point in there a subplot and it was

01:32:30.140 deliberate by the documentary filmmaker because i understand propaganda i know when they're propagandizing

01:32:35.580 but they were right it was very much when you were of my era gen x oh girl's gone wild show us your

01:32:43.440 tits oh they're going to mardi gras everybody get drunk show your tits that's vulgar and i look at

01:32:48.960 that now as vulgar and disgusting but that was completely normalized on us howard sterman do a radio

01:32:54.120 show oh mary kate and ashley olson olson they're 14 when do they turn 18 sexualizing a 14 year old

01:33:00.640 but it's like what david foster wall said does a fish know that it's in water right when you're in

01:33:06.000 water you don't know you're in water you know when you're out of the water right when you're in water

01:33:10.760 you don't know we were all swimming in a sewer not realizing that we are being groomed to fornicate

01:33:15.660 to sexualize people who are way too young to be sexualized and that was all being groomed on us

01:33:21.700 so that just becomes like a normal thing oh yeah girl's gone wild oh yeah girl gets drunk shows her tits

01:33:26.880 she probably that's probably the lowest point of her life doing that when the videos come in and

01:33:31.020 she's sober but if you don't have a higher awareness you're just another participant in the

01:33:36.160 bacchanal carnival of degeneracy right but you don't realize it because you're swimming in that filth

01:33:42.340 and then as i've tried to get out of that sewer and as i work more and more to to sanctify and purify my

01:33:52.200 heart you realize oh god how could i watch this so for me it didn't even take willpower to not watch it

01:33:56.680 i just said how could i how could i watch that make my heart says you can't you can't watch this

01:34:02.960 and i was like okay so five six seven years ago whatever i was like i can't watch this anymore

01:34:07.920 and that was it didn't it wasn't a struggle it wasn't hard and that's where you know we talked

01:34:13.260 earlier about the difference between the heart and the mind and relearning that the heart is its own

01:34:19.480 form of consciousness its own form of intelligence the more you live in your heart

01:34:25.120 the less willpower it takes it doesn't take willpower to refuse to participate in cycles of

01:34:31.520 trauma when your heart is talking because your heart would say what are we doing but if it's your

01:34:37.660 mind you think oh man i i got a few minutes to blow off i'm kind of bored i'll let you see what's new

01:34:43.500 and then of course it's been proven that the when they watch pornography you watch worse and worse

01:34:47.760 stuff you don't start with the national geographic topless pics of the tribes you know and then you

01:34:53.520 end there you start there and you end it just really sketchy stuff right and what so that tells

01:34:59.940 you right there that it's demonic because if it were satiating if pornography were satiating you would

01:35:06.320 say okay here's a 70s era bad movie oh she comes in and she's pretty and there was a certain at least

01:35:12.560 elegance or art to it you would be fine ending there how many people end there right it's a gateway

01:35:18.920 that keeps corrupting the soul so i'm interested what you said that you know it's demonic because

01:35:24.420 it doesn't satisfy you right explain that what does that mean the demons don't want you to have inner

01:35:29.960 peace the worst problem for the forces of evil for the demons for the negative energy is when you're

01:35:37.640 existing in a state of love and you're existing in a state of flow of light of being of lightness

01:35:44.560 that's the worst thing in the world for the demons because that's how they lose you they want to they

01:35:50.480 want to drag you down into the muck as much as they can and take you as low as they can because then you

01:35:56.740 feel like you can't be reached you can't be helped you've gone too far right so you once you realize the

01:36:03.420 spiritual component of it too you think oh you motherfucker i know what you're doing you know

01:36:07.480 they give you a wandering eye so so it would it be fair to say according to this principle that if

01:36:14.820 something doesn't satisfy you that it's bad if it doesn't satiate you're probably leaving the realm of

01:36:23.800 the spiritual space that you want to occupy if it's not satiating right and for other people struggle

01:36:31.500 with different things for some people it can be food for some people it can be drugs sex opioid yes

01:36:37.460 sex right so any kind of sex that um doesn't satiate you doesn't satisfy you probably not the

01:36:44.600 sex you should be having it's probably leading you down the bad path

01:36:47.060 do you think people are becoming more spiritually aware in the united states

01:37:02.340 i think that more conversations are being had as more as more people who are fringe or not fringe

01:37:12.960 open these conversations so like i think about in two ways one is i know that in my spiritual awakening

01:37:20.940 such as it is which i'm still baby in terms of the cosmic timeline is i said you know i never believed

01:37:27.700 in god but you guys showed me the devil is real right i felt the same way so something's up bro i

01:37:33.160 don't know what exactly right i don't jesus christ is the son of god and he returned he's a messiah and

01:37:37.240 that's your only path to salvation and da da da da da da right okay we can have that never that never

01:37:45.500 called to me that was never where i said okay i believe in god and this is the truth but i go oh

01:37:50.220 the evil is so overt obviously yes i've been blinded spiritually for some reason so obviously there's

01:37:56.180 something else going on here that isn't really good that that is so precisely what happened to me

01:38:01.400 that i wonder how many other people that's happened to a and b i wonder if the existence or the

01:38:06.760 overt nature of evil isn't a kind of blessing well i mean if you go in the spirit where they tell you

01:38:12.980 can't have light without dark that's one of the the principles i guess of the spirit world is you

01:38:19.220 can't have light without dark and darkness brings people to light and if you really do believe in god

01:38:23.220 then and you do really believe in the infinite you realize that everybody's kind of kind of has a

01:38:29.380 different path to to the light well maybe a better way to put it would be god uses evil to draw

01:38:35.240 people to himself or he lets or it's just what c.s lewis and all the christian apologetics say which

01:38:42.060 is that he gave us free will and the table was cast but on the timeline of god what might seem like

01:38:48.600 insurmountable suffering to us is completely different so we don't really know on this world

01:38:53.780 what it means right we could say well you know for example one of the big perplexing problems is

01:38:58.540 the problem of evil right the problem of evil right and i would say having ventured through the

01:39:04.960 spirit world is that to us is a problem we should talk about philosophically but on the spiritual realm

01:39:11.980 the timeline is so different that the way it would the way it would even out by god is incomprehensible

01:39:19.200 to our minds so what we think is why does god allow evil you say well because god's on the infinite

01:39:23.320 timeline and what we perceive evil is over in a flash and that there's a sanctification process and

01:39:27.960 people rejoin god so we're fighting over this only because we don't understand the spirit world

01:39:32.560 and we don't understand the infinite timelines at play so because of that what we're what we're kind

01:39:37.480 of fussing over is philosophically distracting us from ourselves so rather than get into the

01:39:42.300 apologetics why does god allow evil and it's because free will we're still in mind right we're still in

01:39:48.200 mind and in heart you say what am i doing to sanctify my heart is my heart full of lust pride

01:39:54.580 evilness did i lose my temper today right am i getting greedy am i trying to take advantage in

01:40:01.000 a business deal right what am i doing to sanctify my heart so a lot of these intellectual discussions

01:40:05.800 which are valuable to have and i've read all the books it's still a distraction it's the ego's way

01:40:10.700 of distracting from the heart so everything about this whole mind fuck world is the ego keeping you

01:40:16.540 away from your heart so what i try to focus on as much is reawakening the mind the full consciousness

01:40:23.180 of the human heart in my own human heart what are the disciplines that you use to to achieve that

01:40:27.920 well i say the jesus prayer a lot because i think it's very humbling you know jesus christ

01:40:32.420 son of god have mercy on me a sinner and that's the entirety of the prayer they're called arrow

01:40:38.240 prayers quiver prayers because people overthink prayers right oh what do i say in my prayers

01:40:43.140 what do i say well they're just there's books you know can you repeat that yeah it's jesus christ

01:40:47.780 son of god have mercy on me a sinner and the reason that that has a certain impact on people

01:40:55.380 is because it's a reminder that you do you do need divine mercy it's a reminder of your ego thinking

01:41:02.380 you're such hot shit and you're so important and you're so great you're such a great man of history

01:41:07.580 right you're so important right you know because me i struggle with pride everybody has a difference

01:41:13.720 and they struggle with i don't struggle with sloth i'm i'm ambitious right within the flip side of

01:41:19.320 that is price and i struggle with pride so then you're reminding yourself i need the divine mercy

01:41:23.660 of i need the divine mercy of god i need the divine mercy of christ and having again seen it through the

01:41:30.060 veil you realize how inconsequential our troubles are so for me that's just i do that all the time and

01:41:37.260 especially before bed i'm just reminding myself okay i need to have mercy on me a sinner and not in a

01:41:42.320 judgmental way but just you know what have i done and then as you do that you get more reps in you

01:41:47.780 can catch yourself more because it's all about catching yourself early on right like your kid

01:41:52.320 gets mad and the kids are bickering and they're fighting and you're about to like lose it what the

01:41:57.760 you know why are my kids fighting or whatever it helps ground you right helps remind you you need

01:42:03.660 mercy in this moment because you're weak otherwise you wouldn't care your kids are bickering kids are

01:42:07.060 kids they bicker who gives a shit right well i care because my ego tells me that there should be

01:42:13.600 more order or they're disturbing my train of thought or whatever whatever bullshit my ego has got me

01:42:18.660 wrapped up in so then you remind myself not i mean i do need mercy because what a pathetic creature i am

01:42:23.320 losing my temper because kids are bickering because kids are being kids right like wow i'm pathetic

01:42:27.960 actually i think i'm so great but this is pathetic what a pitiful human being you are right but you're so

01:42:34.600 but you're reminding yourself that's why you need the divine grace and divine love

01:42:37.460 so we we each have four kids um my oldest is like 30 years older than your youngest so i'm done with

01:42:45.760 uh with the things that you're doing now and i often think to myself and say to my wife man am i glad

01:42:51.160 we're not doing that now we don't have little kids now in this world because it's so hostile to

01:42:55.920 children i mean it's like overtly hostile to children how how do you how do you do that how do you

01:43:03.220 raise children right now thoughtfully to become the kind of people you want them to be i don't know

01:43:09.120 that i i don't know at least in my own experiences that the world is hostile to kids i think that that

01:43:16.720 wave has passed but that's still within the media the media world the dc world what i'm seeing now is

01:43:22.940 a resurgence of very involved dads and very involved parents and there's probably a split where a lot of

01:43:28.320 kids are getting left behind but i would say i'm seeing way more parents who who are like way

01:43:33.640 way more involved in parenting than my parents were probably than yours i guess no i be more precise

01:43:40.080 pushing weird sex shit on kids which when i was a kid would have been cause for gunfire now it just

01:43:46.640 seems everywhere right yeah so the resisting the worldly temptations are what we went through too and

01:43:54.920 didn't realize it britney spears on the tv no that's right right we we've had different spiritual

01:43:59.740 fights we just didn't maybe realize that that we were being groomed that's why i say we were groomed

01:44:05.720 you were groomed i was groomed everybody raised on girl girls gone wild was groomed everybody raised on

01:44:10.280 show me your tits a song um you and me baby ain't nothing but animals let's do it like they do on the

01:44:16.380 discovery channel very popular song when i was in high school realizing the music was programming you

01:44:21.780 for fornication for violence for drugs we were groomed as bad or worse than the kids were now

01:44:26.940 it's just it finally resonated to us in a way that clicks our constructs on maybe what what's too far

01:44:33.820 but we were groomed terribly we just didn't realize it huh that's a that's a wise point and actually

01:44:40.360 there's something kind of comforting about drag times drag queen story hour i mean it's people pissing

01:44:46.240 on each other during pride march in san francisco it's like it's so in your face that you know what it is

01:44:51.080 right so there's there's a a new resurgence happening as a result of that and the spiritual

01:44:58.480 conflict goes on forever it does it doesn't end so what we do personally is we're very much concerned

01:45:05.660 about the bubble we could anybody who tells your kids anybody who tells you don't shelter your kids

01:45:11.160 groomer shelter your kids why do you why why are you telling me not to shelter my kids

01:45:16.100 don't lock your doors at night really okay you're you're an armed robber oh that's weird don't

01:45:22.220 shelter my kids huh okay you know there's a big shelter but there's a shelter yeah and your kids

01:45:28.940 should have shelter it's how you define it and everybody's really concerned about peer groups

01:45:34.880 for us the the bigger wars are over screen time and how how much should kids be allowed to watch tv

01:45:41.180 devices especially handheld devices which you try to limit but then you're on a flight and you give

01:45:45.980 the kid ipad so those are the bigger struggles what's unfortunate is that the trans mania is

01:45:55.240 primarily hitting the poorer people right the people who don't have a lot of time who are very tired who

01:46:02.480 are very stressed and they kind of raise their kids on default right so if you imagine oh that it

01:46:08.800 takes a certain amount of leisure time to be politically informed right aristotle even said you shouldn't be

01:46:13.860 involved in politics until you're 35 because you're by that point maybe you have some leisure time but before

01:46:19.340 that you need to live your life and have some kind of achievement right so if you're if you're an intact

01:46:25.720 family which is becoming more rare dad and mom both work they come home tired processed food diet because

01:46:33.660 we've transitioned away from where when i grew up we call it people find it offensive now i didn't find it

01:46:39.500 offensive but you call it peasant food or poverty food we ate beans ham hocks and beans right chicken

01:46:46.620 and dumplings you would eat things that were cooked you would often cook at home even if you're poor you

01:46:52.680 could afford to cook and now everybody's raised on processed foods and that's having a lot of problems

01:46:57.160 with some people claim seed oils are the problem but whatever the case is we know that there's a problem

01:47:02.400 with diet that's having a lot of health effects right so you eat you or you wake up you get wound up on a

01:47:07.980 donut coffee you work a little bit monster energy drink a lunch of processed food by the time you get

01:47:14.940 home you're exhausted right there's your kids and you entrusted your kids to the school and you don't

01:47:20.520 have all the time in the world to to figure out best parenting practices right you're beat down man

01:47:27.700 you're just trying to make it you're trying to keep your head above water so the tragedy is that and it is

01:47:33.060 hitting the rich kids too because i do have a side point on that the tragedy is that this really was

01:47:37.960 hitting the poor kids first so if you go in through the training stuff yeah if you go through any small

01:47:42.740 town i saw the gender bending stuff happening in all these small towns on any kind of small town road

01:47:48.040 trip and then it percolated up to elite opinion and then so did the opioids so remember susan the ceo of

01:47:55.040 youtube yeah who banned conservatives her kid died of overdose opioids and her world because she banned

01:48:00.660 people like me and censored people like me who were anti that the people the forces that were working

01:48:05.780 against those compounds that in their mind oh it can't happen to me we're the elite no you're not

01:48:12.880 dude and she i always wonder if she has self-awareness like what she feels at night in a moment of self-awareness

01:48:20.060 realizing that she created the culture to kill their son if we're being completely honest and i don't

01:48:24.960 mind saying that that's the truth she created that culture of the open borders the drugs coming in

01:48:30.420 block everybody who's against the open borders call people who are anti-drug kooks oh reefer madness bro

01:48:36.560 right all of that degeneracy has hit the elite now so they thought this is going to be some

01:48:42.140 something to happen to poor white trash to use their terms not mine they're oh whatever who cares about

01:48:48.000 them and now they're realizing they're not immune to their kids are gender burning now their kids are on

01:48:52.560 opioids now their kids are doing only fans their kids are addicted to pornography their their boys

01:48:58.280 are having problems launching and becoming active participants in society they're they're dealing

01:49:04.740 with the problems too right so that so that is the predicament but that also might be why there is

01:49:10.580 some kind of hope because people are realizing it's their own interest to get things together

01:49:14.440 although unfortunately the ideologues of the left were willing to let communism flourish everywhere and

01:49:20.740 seem to be okay with that so maybe not but us on the individual level of the parent level

01:49:26.820 you want to we listen to parenting podcasts we're always looking for parenting tips it's just same

01:49:33.160 like if you want to get in shape you listen to gym podcasts right because you're cultivating the habit of

01:49:39.060 the mind on what matters most which is your kids so it's always about staying in tune with the trends

01:49:44.940 and being mindful being mindful of how you're raising them but fundamentally you're protecting your

01:49:50.220 children from this horrible secular world what do you do about school we do homeschool we take them

01:49:58.020 to a homeschool club so homeschool now is a beautiful there's a revolution thanks to ironically enough

01:50:04.560 covid so covid the only reason we're having these conversations is because of the covid lockdowns

01:50:10.720 which shows that good can emerge from evil if the covid lockdowns hadn't happened nobody would know

01:50:16.660 anything about these schools right people don't think about that people go oh the lockdowns destroy

01:50:21.560 the country the lockdowns harm the country in many ways but we would not have known any of these

01:50:27.440 problems were happening in school if people didn't have zoom school right so zoom school happens people

01:50:34.560 start paying attention and then they're pulling their kids out of school there's more homeschoolers now

01:50:38.300 than there's because they're finding out what the teachers are actually saying they're not and that

01:50:41.240 they're not even learning you're realizing i'm sending my kids to daycare maybe we can find a

01:50:46.920 way to make this work financially for my wife to stay home or maybe we can find some kind of solution

01:50:51.740 so what became kind of popular is a homeschool co-optic home homeschool pod how does it work

01:50:57.200 you pull money together and you hire teachers so let's say your kids were in school there's teachers

01:51:03.540 who want out of the public school system and you you have three to five friends and you say well

01:51:09.240 why don't we just hire the teacher to teach her teach our kids right so it's not it's not really

01:51:13.700 homeschool you're making your own school it sounds yeah well you but you do a part-time and then you

01:51:17.480 school them at the house too so the biggest misconception of homeschooling is that you're

01:51:24.540 like a little house on the prairie and your kids are on a bench and you're the mom in the front right

01:51:27.920 on the chalkboard right that was never homeschooling anyway homeschooling was always self-directed

01:51:33.040 teaching kids how to teach themselves and then helping them coach them along through the material

01:51:38.220 as they struggle with it but kids are generally naturally curious and will figure things out

01:51:43.860 in their own way but you're providing them enough structure to make sure that they just don't play

01:51:48.160 outside i'm embarrassed i don't know more about this i of course i love the sound of it but how common is

01:51:52.820 it for friends or neighbors to get together pool their money and hire a teacher in austin silicon valley

01:51:58.200 and in certain areas i wouldn't call it common but it's not anything that would be way off the beaten

01:52:04.640 path are you doing that we do something similar yeah there there was a structure created and we pay

01:52:11.480 we pay uh tuition we pay whatever fees and there's a non-profit attached to it so we donated to the

01:52:17.460 non-profit so remember elon musk got quote-unquote in trouble because they said he gave all this money

01:52:22.140 to a non-profit but the non-profit teaches his kids and you're like well they teach other kids too

01:52:27.380 but isn't that where you would want to donate your money right like if i'm going to donate to a

01:52:31.680 non-profit wouldn't i want to donate it to a homeschool supported charity right and so yeah

01:52:40.000 we our kids do a part-time they do a part-time schedule what are the expenses like as compared

01:52:44.320 to private or catholic school it'd be it'd be

01:52:46.860 probably it was certainly cheaper than these hoity-toity grooming catholic school or grooming

01:52:54.200 i mean um private schools yeah it would be on part of what a catholic school tuition would be

01:52:58.160 working yeah are you satisfied so far with the results oh yeah we're thrilled yeah we're thrilled

01:53:04.160 and what we do as because again homeschooling isn't what people think we're still voluntarily

01:53:12.380 tracked by the state so the state has somebody check in with my wife they interview the kids and then my

01:53:18.640 kids will take the standardized test to make sure that they're on path with the curriculum which we're

01:53:24.180 fine with if if school were school we'd send our kids to public school if school were hey here's your

01:53:29.500 course material here's what you learn here's how you take we'd still homeschool honestly but

01:53:33.340 we'd still because that's just the way i am but we don't have a problem with the testing and everything

01:53:39.340 it's the ideology so we're we're on track our kids take the test that a normal kid would take

01:53:45.740 and then they they talk to like a liaison who's in teaching and she's a wonderful person and it's

01:53:53.180 very helpful and they just check in with the kids make sure the kids are okay which i'm fine with that

01:53:57.420 too is there any downside to this i mean it's all upside you know you never want to say there's no

01:54:03.220 downside because that means you're high on your own supply right right but they they socialize with

01:54:08.760 other kids they they're with kids of all age groups that way remember we would go to school you're

01:54:13.160 in a class and you're with people only your own age and when children talk to people of other ages

01:54:19.460 they become more advanced with their communication yes that is totally true so people often think that

01:54:24.800 my oldest daughter is older than she is no no she just spends a lot of time talking to adults and

01:54:29.760 talking to eighth graders and seventh graders and sixth graders and fifth graders and it's all

01:54:33.980 kid appropriate because the model of the the co-op or the they probably don't even call it a

01:54:39.500 homeschool co-op they call it probably something else there's probably a different terminology but

01:54:43.140 it's waldorf based it's nature based it's based on the wonder and magic of childhood

01:54:48.820 you go in it's very much about storytelling and participating with nature and that's the one

01:54:55.140 that they go to i have friends who they set up one and it's more tech based there are a lot of tech

01:55:00.660 guys you want their kids kind of coding which i don't think a five-year-old needs to learn to code

01:55:04.520 that plus the coding language who knows what will even be well with ai no one needs to learn 10 years

01:55:09.500 anyway right but every but there are people who are trying to find solutions but the flip side is a

01:55:15.980 lot of parents do want the daycare aspect so homeschooling if you don't like your kids then

01:55:23.220 homeschooling is a very has it's a huge downside right yeah because if you don't like your kids just

01:55:30.960 send them to public school i mean that's not yeah if you don't like your kids you shawl them off but

01:55:34.520 if you're yeah or just send them to sidwell in dc or something like that right exactly because you

01:55:38.200 don't like your kids and you're ambitious and i'm a world worldly man i want to be secretary of state

01:55:42.600 like anthony go be trans daddy's got work to do right yeah and or get an overdose or whatever right

01:55:47.320 yeah the whole point yeah um so people becoming more spiritually aware people looking for alternatives

01:55:54.500 to a dying school system these are huge positive developments i think in american society

01:56:00.600 can you think of any others since you believe in optimism and despise despair oh yeah i mean more

01:56:06.260 people train jujitsu more people are starting their own businesses more people own guns more people are

01:56:11.540 awake to the problems even if the problems are way bigger than they ever could have imagined

01:56:15.360 more people are having open dialogue about real real issues people have left the grid right 10 years ago

01:56:22.840 because you know my experience with ayahuasca goes way way way back in time but if i talked about that

01:56:27.980 till relatively recently they'd 51 50 me they said what a lunatic right and now people like oh i mean

01:56:34.440 i don't he's probably delusional or whatever but it's like in the conversation right which the overton

01:56:41.240 window on that has shifted so there's a lot of good energy being put out too there's never been a

01:56:48.640 better time in my opinion this is why i don't like the despair for men when i was a kid you couldn't

01:56:54.580 just learn things you were you were in a school and then whatever your parents taught you is kind

01:56:59.640 of what you learned if you're 17 18 and you want to learn how to start an internet website e-commerce

01:57:05.740 business you might not have anything to sell but you can do that you can literally learn anything

01:57:11.040 that you would need to know to survive i didn't know anything about money i almost went bankrupt at

01:57:16.460 one point because i just didn't understand money i didn't understand about credit or paying bills on

01:57:20.900 time or how any of this stuff worked i just didn't know right you didn't have a lot of experience

01:57:25.720 growing up with right right but but um you could just learn anything so if you're actually a young

01:57:31.600 man in a hurry or a young woman in a hurry you can go learn whatever you want and there's obviously

01:57:37.400 more temptations and and other influences but you can you can carve out your own path in a way that

01:57:43.540 you couldn't have 40 years ago 40 years ago if you're born you're born in a town that's probably

01:57:47.460 where you're gonna end up maybe you're the oddball and leave right that didn't happen we're not getting

01:57:52.860 drafted for the vietnam war right we you know we like to bash the boomers a little bit and i enjoy

01:57:58.280 that too from time to time but they were drafted in a war instead of vietnam i don't know if anybody's

01:58:02.600 ever been caving in vietnam but try to walk through a cave as a six foot tall man and imagine that that's

01:58:09.600 what we did you graduated high school and you were in vietnam bro unless you were bill crystal or

01:58:13.480 somebody or mint romney then of course you were a fortunate son bill crystal not serving vietnam

01:58:17.440 the last i checked he didn't yeah oh mint romney yeah last i checked they weren't in vietnam

01:58:22.480 weird those guys love wars i would thought they would take that opportunity yeah they they missed

01:58:26.780 their hero's journey right so if you look at if you look at the problems they're real but if you

01:58:35.940 look at the problems in a historical context i would rather live now than the draft air of the vietnam war

01:58:42.180 wouldn't you yeah there were civil rights riots in the 60s detroit is burning right that was happening

01:58:48.500 in the 60s the crime wave in new york in the 70s we've we've always kind of had these problems so

01:58:53.580 it's good to get over our own myopia and say it's just this is a human condition man this is a human

01:59:00.060 struggle we're always going to have it you never win you never lose because even if you think you win

01:59:05.120 you can have it all taken away you know you can drive out i've made it in life you can drive out

01:59:10.160 hit a moose lose a leg lose both legs die your kids could get died in a crash it's never over

01:59:17.260 right but in our in our human brains with the ego we either go to i'm a winner and i'm in a static

01:59:25.140 place of winning or i'm a loser everything is so bad in society and this is where where i am so in

01:59:32.340 your own mind what you want to do is break that narrative arc and realize you're not a winner

01:59:36.520 you're not a loser you're you're at a given point in time and anything could change for the better

01:59:40.820 or the worse in a moment so do the best you can right now while you're here and keep pushing forward

01:59:46.160 amen so the last thing i'm going to ask you about um and i just want to take a really dark turn if we

01:59:52.180 could um is epstein done a lot on this first give us the overview what was that what is the truth

02:00:01.420 of his life and death and when are the rest of us going to get all the details on this

02:00:08.540 we will never know the truth about what happened with jeffrey epstein because it was

02:00:13.920 clearly an intelligence operation right it was clearly a form of blackmail in a form of

02:00:22.040 keeping people confined to the narrative so the epstein documents the way they came about was

02:00:29.660 a friend of mine who's a lawyer said i've never seen anything like this there's this litigation

02:00:34.460 going involving jeffrey epstein and everything is redacted and this is filed in federal court

02:00:38.840 and as you know you don't when was this 2016 ish 2017 ish and he said you won't believe this

02:00:45.740 you can't do that because if you want a confidential dispute resolution you can do mediation arbitration

02:00:50.560 if you're in public courts and litigation your social security number is redacted but

02:00:54.880 why you're suing and what's alleged is not redacted well yeah it's a pub it's a public

02:01:00.340 it's our justice system yeah go do arbitration if you want private right confidential and he goes

02:01:05.400 why don't we just file a motion to unseal and i thought it'd be some like little side project and

02:01:11.320 wouldn't cost that much money being naive because this was so unprecedented that it shouldn't cost a

02:01:16.180 lot of money it ended up costing 250 000 plus with him giving a break on it we thought it'd cost 10 or

02:01:21.680 20 and the because if you're looking at it through the structure of the way the law is

02:01:29.700 you would say this is it there's no such thing as an easy win in law but to the extent that there's an

02:01:36.080 easy win this is low-hanging fruit let's just go ahead and get these files unredacted it won't take

02:01:43.740 that much time or money oh the opposite the judge ruled against us after sitting on the case for a

02:01:52.500 long time on privacy grounds there was no again that's not how the law works the law isn't that

02:01:58.160 you have the right to privacy and public litigation you don't you give up the right to privacy and public

02:02:04.300 litigation that shouldn't happen we think oh god this is more more than we realized so we go i guess

02:02:12.760 we got to appeal it so then we file an appeal in the second circuit court of appeals and meanwhile

02:02:16.640 the money is just and i realized again in hindsight i was like wow you were naive you thought there was

02:02:24.380 just going to be some easy win but i didn't really know what i was getting at right it's like pulling

02:02:28.560 a tiger by the tail you're on a little hike and you see something sticking out and you kind of grab it

02:02:33.240 and next thing you know it's a bengal tiger in your face and you think i didn't i didn't know that

02:02:37.580 that's what i was grabbing at and in my own nativity i didn't realize what the whole epstein

02:02:42.820 situation was it was going to be a real he was still alive at this point he was still alive he

02:02:47.500 wasn't been arrested so this is as last night you said i told a lot of stories you didn't believe

02:02:51.800 so this is another impossible no no i just need to believe it you're unbelievable you were telling

02:02:56.040 me about your childhood and i sometimes get self-pity and i'm like oh my life was so hard

02:03:00.100 and i hear about yours are you serious did that really happen right right so this is another

02:03:07.560 unbelievable story uh it's like a forrest gump thing how do i get involved with jeffrey epstein

02:03:11.680 just some random guy on the internet twitter how bizarre so me and mark randaza was the lawyer so

02:03:17.900 randaza mark randaza said hey why don't we just get these unsealed you're always talking about

02:03:22.240 pedophile stuff this is such an easy win for you and he goes and the case is interesting to me so i'll

02:03:28.920 cut you a break on fees we both thought going in that it was going to be something that you could

02:03:33.840 get done for a reasonable amount of money in a reasonable amount of time and it took years so

02:03:38.980 we filed the suit and the motion to unseal and then the judge rules against us we appealed the

02:03:46.340 second circuit court appeals in new york and then during the this is during the trump administration

02:03:51.740 epstein is still free hasn't been arrested a friend of mine one of the good guys in the

02:03:55.940 intelligence community said hey just so you know you shouldn't mention epstein anymore

02:03:59.940 you're you're in a real problem they go you got into something really that you didn't know what

02:04:04.760 you were getting into and i go okay what do you want to do they go just stand by you're in court

02:04:10.700 that'll work its way through but you need you need to not draw attention to this issue or yourself

02:04:14.940 and i said okay that's message received and this is someone in the this is credible yeah this is a

02:04:21.520 real in the intel world so yeah this isn't some guy who reads me on twitter worried about me after

02:04:26.160 a divine vision yeah this is a real a real real thing and so i didn't talk about it for about a

02:04:32.520 year and then what happened is the miami herald julie brown filed the same motion to unseal kind

02:04:39.060 of that i had filed and piggybacked on me and then that's what started to break open the epstein thing

02:04:44.360 so then my guy in the intelligence world said okay you're green light now they're not going to

02:04:48.580 kill julie brown and the miami herald everybody's going to talk about it so let the chips fall where

02:04:53.320 they may so then i re-entered the discourse on it because there you can't kill everybody kind of how

02:05:00.900 they say right yeah you can kill one guy you can have one guy get in a car crash but you're not going

02:05:05.120 to go after the miami herald or other people now what is very sad to me about the epstein story is if

02:05:12.040 you look at the timeline and you look at the why epstein became relevant again and this isn't julie

02:05:18.380 brown julie brown to her credit had the right motives but jake tapper and others didn't a man

02:05:22.580 by the name of alexander acosta was a secretary of labor of donald trump so you now have a orange

02:05:28.980 man bad angle because alexander acosta was the prosecuting attorney who oversaw the original plea

02:05:35.500 agreement with jeffrey epstein which could only be defined as a sweetheart plea deal defying any kind

02:05:40.680 of logic and the media now had trump bad because acosta's trump epstein trump the trump epstein angle

02:05:51.400 right now the media suddenly cared or pretended to care about the issue because they could use the

02:05:56.780 epstein issue to get after trump so then every media outlet wanted access to the epstein files

02:06:02.320 because they were hoping there was a trump angle too so then suddenly it became a big deal

02:06:06.960 so we go up before the second circuit court of appeals mark mendoza and jay woolman argue the

02:06:12.020 case and by now the meter's like turning man i'm like stressing dude and you're and you're paying for

02:06:17.440 this they gave me a break on fees what they would normally charge anybody else that would have been a

02:06:22.240 million dollar legal fee plus the um but we had some of us pro bono but i was still paying oh yeah i was

02:06:28.440 still sending big checks just because you thought it was interesting yeah yeah and well and i didn't know it

02:06:33.940 was if i didn't know how big it was going to be i might have had second thoughts but the um because

02:06:39.080 they they did me good on i don't want to make it seem like a complaining this just this is the nature

02:06:42.680 of the american legal system because that's why people go oh why don't you see that person they

02:06:46.320 said something about you it's like i don't know why don't i write a check for 3.5 million dollars

02:06:50.440 to litigate a defamation case against somebody because they called me something on the internet

02:06:54.240 you know people don't understand that until they're they're in that world and they realize how much all

02:06:59.860 this stuff costs them i am harold that probably probably spent two million on fees and so they

02:07:04.280 argue the case the second circuit made it abundantly clear that they were going to unseal the files

02:07:11.120 because there was no way in the world under established law that the file should have been

02:07:15.680 sealed in the first place and oral argument happens it's so clear that they're going to unseal it

02:07:21.700 i think oral argument happens on friday and i'm like all right this is good two days later

02:07:27.460 epstein gets arrested flying back from france the only reason he was arrested was because

02:07:34.200 the files are going to be unsealed because he was told he was not going to be arrested right

02:07:38.720 the mop-up operation had worked but for me and more importantly but for julie brown because i think if

02:07:44.520 it had just been me they could have just buried the case long enough they could have issued an

02:07:48.180 unpublished opinion that wouldn't have precedent of value because it the way the way it works is a trial

02:07:54.680 court judge is more likely to make up the law against you than an appellate court because an

02:07:59.200 appellate court will have precedential value and apply in other cases so the trial court could have

02:08:04.180 just they gave me a fake ruling because who cares it's mike cernovich and then the second circuit could

02:08:10.700 have moved it to a shadow docket and ruled against me but once julie brown entered the case

02:08:15.700 you can't ignore the miami herald right i think i'm a big deal but compared to miami herald

02:08:21.020 i don't have any legitimacy at all right and then every other outlet got involved too so then the

02:08:28.980 regime realized well the epstein stuff is coming out we better look like we're doing something

02:08:34.020 and then so jeffrey epstein was at least a couple or was arrested a couple days after all argument

02:08:39.640 because they realized we have a mess now what do we do so then epstein gets arrested

02:08:45.880 and then do you want me to keep going as i'm actually i'm actually spellbound so to channel

02:08:53.120 dr gene scott get on the telephones get on the phones so then they charged epstein but a little

02:09:02.860 bit of like legal trivia i went there for the press conference i read the indictment and the indictment

02:09:08.800 was what you would charge someone if you wanted to create a media narrative that you were prosecuting

02:09:14.820 them but that under the law would be chicken shit stuff the lowest thing that you could possibly

02:09:20.880 charge him for but you could say we're going after him there's a reason they did it this way

02:09:25.260 they charged him for paying for massages in his new york apartment through i think the period of

02:09:32.080 2014 to 2016 somewhere in the timeline massages in his apartment that's all they charged him for

02:09:38.780 the four corners of the indictment so why did they only charge him for that there's a reason

02:09:43.960 he had a place in new mexico he had his island he had his place in paris he had another place i think in

02:09:51.860 west palm beach and if they had charged him for trafficking the fbi would have had to simultaneously

02:09:57.720 raid every property under a man act the man act makes it a crime to transport a woman state lines

02:10:04.140 yep and international too so he was flying back from paris and he was flying women models all over

02:10:09.600 the world models you know not to diminish what he's doing but that's what's his story he was flying

02:10:13.920 underage girls and some of age all around the world well what you would do with the sdny which as

02:10:19.940 we know the sdny they go after you got problems because they charge the most aggressive they're too

02:10:26.440 aggressive in fact in how they charge cases what you would have charged it if you were concerned

02:10:32.180 with being a prosecutor you would have charged him under the man act and under the international

02:10:37.380 version of the man act you would have simultaneously searched and seized every property taking all the

02:10:42.240 evidence instead they arrested him had a little press conference it was over massages in new york

02:10:47.960 property they searched the new york property what was happening in the island we don't know what

02:10:54.720 happened to the island we don't know because the fbi said we can't search it because nothing that he

02:11:00.940 was charged with concerned the because of course the fbi is very concerned now with due process

02:11:05.820 yeah you know yeah they're really you know we don't want to go overstep our lawful authorities so

02:11:10.540 we can't go raid that island so they left all these properties unattended and then that's when the

02:11:15.820 mop-up operation commenced and they got whatever compromising cds and dvrs and other information

02:11:21.720 they got that from the intelligence community got that from all the properties may i ask you to pause

02:11:25.860 for one second so this is happening in 2017 no by the time it came to fruition yeah now we're in 1819

02:11:32.120 okay right so it would have been bill bar the republican attorney general his second time as attorney

02:11:38.140 general he would have been aware of all this correct oh the yeah i'm not sure if bar was and at the time

02:11:42.960 we'd have to double check it but whoever is ag would absolutely have been aware of it and i think it was

02:11:47.720 bill bar because bill bar is the one who said that he watched footage of epstein committing suicide

02:11:51.780 and he knows but we can't watch the footage of epstein committing suicide bill bar can but we

02:11:56.140 can't that's a little sus right yeah right bill bar covered up the murder of epstein well clearly right

02:12:01.680 but i'm just saying like what i like to do which i found helps me be more persuasive is i will meet you

02:12:09.980 with what you claim even when i know it's a lie so i know that bill bar is lying but i would just for

02:12:16.160 the sake of argument except it is true that bill bar saw the video of epstein killing himself

02:12:20.320 well therefore you would have to explain why you can't release that video or show it to other people

02:12:24.780 because if the video exists the public would clearly have a right to see it that's right or

02:12:28.860 or designated trusted intermediaries would so rather than say well bill bar is lying i like to just say

02:12:34.780 okay buddy and by the way that's a trait of lawyering a lot of police detectives use that too is

02:12:39.240 i'll i'll follow along with your bullshit and then i'll just start pulling pulling the threads a little

02:12:43.800 bit so yeah it would have been bill bar and so epstein gets charged with the lowest possible

02:12:48.840 conic that he ever could have been charged with and all their properties were left unattended so

02:12:54.720 mop-up teams went in there took whatever they needed to take out there and then epstein commits suicide

02:13:00.120 it's the end of the story what's to talk about all gone now all in a nice it's like the ending of the

02:13:05.720 usual suspects it's like he never existed what happened to all the evidence the i'm thinking

02:13:12.300 technologies apparatuses have it so but we read that the you know there are hundreds of thousands

02:13:17.000 of hours of videotape from his various properties yeah that's a fact that's not a yeah that's not

02:13:22.740 something that was in so where is all that tape do you know vaults vaults in washington dc or fort

02:13:28.640 knox wherever bill bar had it sent yeah whatever physical location bill bar and whatever uh five eyes

02:13:35.920 agencies he was working with stored it they have all that black military on people to this day and

02:13:41.700 they'll release it if they need to but everybody's kind of playing ball you find out that bill gates

02:13:47.340 was there often where are the videos where's the proof you'll never see that but bill gates will go

02:13:52.080 along with the agenda bill clinton he'll go along with the agenda reed hoffman he's a very vicious

02:13:57.400 person going after people and the media gives him a pass even though he was with epstein i love here's

02:14:03.200 what i love about cancel culture why you know it's not not sincere i would support the universal

02:14:10.640 enforcement of cancel culture rules so if the rule was you did a bad thing in your life

02:14:15.740 and you're kind of beyond the norm beyond the pale and you're not allowing acceptable society

02:14:21.600 if that were universally applied that would mean bill gates is is not anywhere right bill clinton would

02:14:29.160 be canceled bill clinton there's all this i all this witness testimony about bill clinton

02:14:33.680 reed hoffman would be canceled but it's interesting that if you post a bad tweet or a bad video clip

02:14:41.920 out of context or chopped up or even a deep fake or even somebody makes it up now you're you're toxic

02:14:47.020 you're toxic waste but everybody get to hang around epstein and they can still speak at the dnc and

02:14:53.180 they're they're held up as the media and propped up so clearly the media was in on the epstein stuff

02:15:00.440 because otherwise you would hound bill gates to his dying days bill gates would never get on stage

02:15:05.260 without you asking about jeffrey epstein and we know for a fact that reed hoffman who is a totally

02:15:09.560 poisonous person uh he was a close associate of epstein's the wall street journal reported on emails

02:15:16.000 where the reed hoffman was trying to introduce people into epstein's world and reed hoffman's story

02:15:22.820 is of course well i was trying to raise money for mit you know he's got his own narrative but yeah this

02:15:27.680 has all been reported and authenticated by the wall street journal because i would never say anything

02:15:32.620 untrue about reed hoffman that's for sure because they make up stuff to sue people over anyway yeah so

02:15:38.160 you would definitely i think he funded the suit against trump yeah he's he's yeah he's funding all

02:15:43.520 the lawfare against people and trying to take people kind of out one by one and if we had a legitimate

02:15:49.480 media you would hound him every time i mean how many times do people when when you were on fox

02:16:00.100 your staffers would get hounded for a random post they would make on twitter oh yeah right well they

02:16:06.220 tried to destroy their lives yeah you're trying to go after some staffer over a post that was maybe

02:16:11.200 poorly worded or didn't have sufficient nuance in a on a platform that doesn't allow for it didn't allow

02:16:17.120 for the time sufficient nuance but you're like oh yeah we're cool with all these other people though

02:16:21.480 they're they're they're the good guys and that shows you that we don't have a media we have

02:16:26.760 propaganda outlets for the intelligence community and they've been kind of given their marching orders

02:16:32.020 on who's allowed in the discourse and who's allowed to be propped up and who's allowed to get

02:16:37.360 away with things that they got away with and then all of epstein's associates they're fine nobody got

02:16:43.720 damaged how many people's lot reputations were sullied i would give an example of compare what's

02:16:50.940 been done to somebody like peter brimelow or jared taylor who i obviously don't agree with a lot of

02:16:57.160 their stuff but you have to add those qualifiers unfortunately but compare them to people who pal

02:17:04.100 around with epstein or the sackler family and how they're still billionaire yeah they killed all those

02:17:08.680 people yeah and they escaped criminal charges or boeing which just did a civil fine for all the

02:17:14.060 people they killed because of their cover-ups and their crimes what they get away with so if you're

02:17:19.440 if you're in a world where you say something offensive maybe unintentionally you're you're done

02:17:26.020 at least in terms of how they can't define the discourse in the way they once did but

02:17:30.640 you're sullied forever you have a scarlet letter on you forever and you have to learn to accept that and

02:17:35.780 overcome it but you're you're there's a ceiling on you for sure and but you can be a friend with epstein

02:17:42.800 because the media and the intelligence communities are all working together so they'll make sure that

02:17:48.040 your life isn't made too difficult for what you did are we ever going to know more do you think about

02:17:55.140 epstein no about 20 years i mean there's that book chaos which was about mk ultra on the charles

02:18:00.880 manson so in 50 years when nobody can be damaged and nothing can really be done we'll learn about

02:18:06.300 the we'll learn about the truth of it maybe but there's a great conspiracy theory which is

02:18:10.700 the government or rather there's a meme about conspiracy theories which they dismiss it as a

02:18:15.740 conspiracy conspiracy theory 20 years ago then they admit it but now they tell you whatever you're

02:18:21.840 accusing them of today is a conspiracy theory and it keeps getting pushed forward

02:18:25.800 last question do you you know the effect of all of this the evaporation of like recognizable reality

02:18:36.880 has made everyone super paranoid and um i have noticed probably too paranoid because it's not helpful

02:18:42.660 to be that paranoid but um do you think that the u.s government is working aggressively to spread

02:18:51.700 disinformation within opposition media do you think there are like lots of feds running around

02:18:57.840 actually oh i i think there are all kinds of feds embedded within the right-wing movement right-wing

02:19:04.120 movement and the conservative movement you think that's real oh yeah to discredit people that was

02:19:08.720 the cia they there was a book co intel pro you can read the cia manual on how you disrupt movements

02:19:15.120 which i read and what they would do the cia would do at the time they're doing it to the black panthers

02:19:20.580 but now they're doing it to anybody who's deemed christian or goes to a catholic church

02:19:25.200 is they have various tactics and one tactic they do is they call it stone um what do you call it when

02:19:32.560 you keep talking filibustering so you'll you have a group and you'll have two different agents put in

02:19:38.320 one is going to try to fed trap you like they did in michigan oh we need to do more than just talk

02:19:44.180 we've talked for too long it's time to take action and then that only works on the really desperate

02:19:49.840 people who don't have anything going on which happened post 9 11 to muslim kids if we're being

02:19:55.220 fully honest here this isn't a new thing happening to us and what was us it was happening to muslims

02:20:00.000 and a lot of conservatives didn't really care oh that's true the fbi stopped another terrorist

02:20:03.720 attack no they didn't they found some poor muslim kid who was lonely maybe mildly autistic and they

02:20:09.380 planned a whole thing for him or he had non-mainstream opinions but wasn't hurting and by the way you're

02:20:15.180 allowed to have non-mainstream opinions in fact that's the whole point of this country is allowing

02:20:19.880 you to have non-mainstream opinions right so now it's our turn in the barrel so on the one hand

02:20:24.420 they'll try to do that with low-hanging fruit on the other hand they'll have people who filibuster

02:20:30.000 and make it so that nothing can really get done right so there'll be the more elegant way to disrupt

02:20:36.960 a political movement isn't to fed trap people it's to run off the clock so i think for example q

02:20:43.180 the cube thing trust the plan i believe that was intelligence operation done the reason i think

02:20:49.400 that is because if you go back to 2018 the entire narrative being spread to mago world

02:20:56.540 was there's going to be a massive red wave in 2018 we are going to overtake congress and trump is going

02:21:03.540 to accomplish all these things and millions of people maybe tens of millions of people believed it

02:21:07.960 well what happened what happens when you believe that everything is going to be okay and it's being

02:21:14.560 worked on well you don't push you don't press your guys you don't register voters you don't turn out

02:21:21.380 to vote you don't do all that boring grinding because in your mind trust the plan it's all being

02:21:27.460 taken care of it might look like president trump is getting rolled by the deep state but he's really

02:21:31.800 not this is a faint and what really is going to happen is all these mass arrests are going to happen

02:21:37.020 so i believe i have no direct evidence of this but my personal belief and i think it's a rational

02:21:43.700 one based on the very manuals that the fbi and cia wrote was i believe the entire q anon movement

02:21:50.100 was made by the intelligence community do you think that um what happened two weeks ago at the debate

02:21:58.740 like what was i i mean there's so many levels i'm trying to figure out what that was

02:22:03.900 everyone who's paying attention knew that biden um had some sort of neurological disorder

02:22:08.500 but the media never admitted it until like four minutes into the debate all of a sudden the story

02:22:15.280 became this guy's retarded we've got to do something was what was that i i have i have friends who think

02:22:22.860 that oh i have friends who believe that the debate was orchestrated by the deep state or biden's

02:22:30.800 handlers and that's why it ended up the way it did i don't believe that and here's why

02:22:36.500 my belief is that cnn wanted to create a narrative where trump dodged the debate with biden so they

02:22:43.060 kept imposing more and more onerous terms on trump so me and this is why trump i have a lot to say

02:22:48.920 about trump and the way he handled things and i have a lot of problems with trump and but i will say that

02:22:53.540 only trump is trump so nobody but trump would have taken that cnn interview because trump's magic

02:22:59.460 power but also his greek fatal flaw right the greeks would always say your greatest strength

02:23:03.480 is he's so obsessed with mainstream media that he'll interview these people and talk to them all

02:23:09.360 day even though they hate him and he gives them ratings meanwhile when he was president i said why

02:23:14.160 don't you just talk to the daily caller every day give them everything and then everybody has to watch

02:23:17.900 the daily caller give it to breitbarter why don't you build the conservative media ecosystem

02:23:22.960 no because he's a boomer and he's obsessed with prestige media or what i would call regime media

02:23:27.900 propaganda so anybody else goes i'm not walking into a cnn ambush this the terms of this are stupid

02:23:34.220 then the narrative will be trump won't debate biden and that's a good narrative they run with but

02:23:39.700 instead trump said oh you're going to turn off my microphone sure oh you're going to make me do this

02:23:44.360 okay sure oh you're gonna do this sure sure so all of the terms led to the debate having to happen

02:23:51.380 even though it was a setup and then biden shows up we've known for a while he's been sundowning

02:23:56.520 and they had it at night they should have had it during the day that was their fault there was

02:24:01.360 really nothing they could do they gave him seven days of rest they gave him a drug cocktail but

02:24:04.740 they had to show up they couldn't have him not show up and they were hoping maybe he'd have a good

02:24:09.300 night because as you know people with dementia sometimes they have a good night that's right

02:24:13.880 sometimes they have a medium night biden had a terrible night but that's the gamble you got to run so

02:24:20.260 one reason you never despair is the enemy gets a vote and in this case trump was the enemy to the

02:24:28.280 regime trump said okay sure i'll show up to your rig thing because i love the media anyway and trump

02:24:33.560 already preceded a narrative in maga world to explain any failures the whole thing was rigged

02:24:37.820 anyway so the the narrative was already set that if trump had a bad night it was because the debate

02:24:43.200 terms were so unconscionable that he never should have did it but he did it anyway so he goes in there

02:24:48.700 press is the advantage biden had a bad night an unusually bad night probably and i don't i don't

02:24:55.260 think we need to because i don't view the the deep state of regime as omniscient i view them as evil

02:25:00.580 bad faith actors but that are actually less smart than we are and they're less robust because for people

02:25:08.460 like us we've been through the crucible so many times and we know we're going to be in the crucible

02:25:13.360 again we conduct ourselves a little bit differently than they do they're there it's like you have to

02:25:19.120 remember your speeches from in high school julius caesar and you know one of the speeches i had to

02:25:25.180 memorize in high school was let me have men about me that are fat sleek headed men's and one that

02:25:30.000 sleeps at night jan cassius has a lean and hungry look you don't want the lean and hungry look people

02:25:36.660 around you right we're the lean and hungry people we're the people that we know that one one misstep

02:25:42.960 we're in court dude we know that the regime will frame us for crimes so not only are we not doing

02:25:49.080 ethically questionable behavior because boy then we'd really be giving our neck that's for sure we

02:25:53.880 know these motherfuckers are going to frame us anyway so we're already like oh my god i wonder what

02:25:57.740 like whether they're going to like make up about me shit whereas all the fat people the spiritually fat

02:26:04.520 people are so weak and debased because they're the ones cooking everything up that they don't know

02:26:09.080 where their weak sides are right so in their fat world they're thinking we'll just put biden up there

02:26:16.420 maybe he has a good night and we luck out if it's a bad night we'll we'll be okay but they didn't

02:26:21.280 realize how bad it could be whereas if someone like you worked for because that's also the danger of

02:26:26.380 these people they're so they don't have any counter narrative so if they had somebody like you there

02:26:31.960 me there we'd have been saying and maybe this isn't a good idea because the right the problem

02:26:39.220 of the right is we too we self-police too much we should self-police maybe a little bit less the

02:26:45.460 problem of the left is they police away any kind of opposition view and they allow every crazy in the

02:26:51.740 tent so for us we know who the crazies are and we know who the feds are and we know to think in those

02:26:58.240 terms whereas if you're on the left nobody's crazy oh il ilhan omar she's great oh what was she doing

02:27:04.580 about october 7th what she's saying wait rashida talab no no no no no guys you're not you're so

02:27:09.320 no no no no no pretend at least pretend for one day to care oh my oh now we have a real problem

02:27:15.220 whereas with with us we're used to having to police ourselves and the people around us so we maybe don't

02:27:22.260 walk into the the traps or unforced errors that that biden debate was so that's a very long way

02:27:28.180 of saying i don't think the regime's omniscient i don't think that that was a move to take him out

02:27:32.400 i think that that was pure human groupthink in action and they thought that they could get trump

02:27:39.040 to not take the debate because the terms were so rigged very smart analysis as has everything you've

02:27:45.200 said for the past couple hours but so thank you it's my pleasure mike sarnamish thanks for listening

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The Tucker Carlson Show - July 18, 2024

Mike Cernovich on Epstein, Demons & Spirituality, and Feds Embedded in the Conservative Movement

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