The Tucker Carlson Show - Miranda Devine： All of the Biden Family Crimes, Hunter’s Future, and How History Will Remember Them

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00:00:26.300 at tucker carlson.com here's the episode so we saw zelensky uh campaigning for kamala harris the

00:00:33.040 unelected president i guess that'd be dictator of ukraine campaigning for kamala harris in

00:00:39.440 pennsylvania a couple of weeks ago and it just is a reminder that ukraine is not just like a foreign

00:00:47.700 policy priority it is central to this administration and has been for 10 years what you've reported

00:00:55.660 this more than anybody why well i mean that's the central question and the kind of mystery about

00:01:02.000 joe biden and it's the key to figuring out how he got to be president this very unprepossessing not

00:01:09.340 very intelligent man um was sort of captured i think in his very earliest days in the senate he

00:01:15.020 came to the senate as a green 30 year old kind of part-time grifter from delaware and um he was

00:01:22.000 immediately embraced by the sort of elder statesmen who are controlled the foreign policy

00:01:27.680 establishment basically in the senate and was elevated to the most powerful uh committee in

00:01:34.280 the senate the senate foreign relations committee which he ended up being chairman or ranking member

00:01:39.060 for over a decade and that is the the place where the cia meets government power that's he he had

00:01:47.540 access to the cia cia had access to him and he was very early on um captured by the chinese or

00:01:55.380 captivated by the chinese he traveled as a young senator to the chinese equivalent of um martha's

00:02:02.280 vineyard and met all the top ccp people came back waxing lyrical about how wonderful china was just like

00:02:08.900 tim waltz same sort of capture and so much so that the weekly standard at the time ran a cover story

00:02:16.060 just saying how ridiculous he was um and the same with russia you know the foreign policy

00:02:22.360 um establishment in america has this um obsession with russia and wanting now regime change with putin

00:02:31.240 um enlarging nato that was people don't really realize but joe biden was pushing for the enlargement

00:02:37.840 of nato to include especially ukraine and georgia so yeah victoria newland um and joe biden are probably

00:02:44.660 the two most instrumental americans in ukraine policy for you know since before the maiden

00:02:51.660 revolution in 2014 um victoria newland was over there there's this ridiculous scene that was

00:02:58.560 captured on um videotape of her sort of striding around maidan square handing out sandwiches from a

00:03:06.160 big bag to the protesters there and saying good on you you know well done um and the cia i mean

00:03:13.300 it's pretty much an established fact that the cia was involved in the toppling of the yanukovych

00:03:21.180 regime there which was sort of more russia aligned but not as much as is said i mean uh

00:03:27.520 uh he was sort of trying to do a european um trade deal but um anyway he was after about

00:03:35.440 two months of phone calls with joe biden then the vice president who would harangue him and make these

00:03:42.420 grandiose threats um yanukovych finally had enough after the ninth phone call like interminable hour

00:03:49.540 long phone call with joe biden he just got in a helicopter and left and and then victoria newland

00:03:55.700 is captured on a on a phone call that was uh i think recorded by the russians but released in which

00:04:03.820 she and it's genuinely her and she's just talking about how they're going to impose their puppet

00:04:09.980 government on ukraine and uh they're going to get joe biden involved and he's going to give the

00:04:15.820 new government an attaboy on the phone and jake sullivan has told them that they've got to get

00:04:21.600 joe biden involved so these very unimpressive people victoria newland's not very impressive and

00:04:27.960 um neither is joe biden they ended up being the sort of uh rulers of ukraine

00:04:34.840 but what was the appeal for them was it ideological um i think for victoria newland

00:04:43.520 yes because she's a hawk uh you know neocon she was dick cheney's um primary advisor in the iraq war

00:04:51.380 i remember very well yeah um so i think and her husband robert kagan is um like a leading neocon

00:04:58.000 intellectual i worked with him one of the dumbest people i've ever worked with ever yes bob kagan and

00:05:03.520 a very angry and unpleasant man um but stupid how did he become so influential then um because he's

00:05:12.120 part of you know the washington foreign policy establishment and you know because his views yeah

00:05:18.240 you know his views are consistent well not only consistent they are sort of the archetype of

00:05:23.300 washington's foreign policy um very anti-american i would say uh extremely anti-american but um

00:05:31.340 but conventional yeah so i know so that's that's interesting because i mean i think i don't know

00:05:37.140 about victoria newland she doesn't strike me as being particularly intelligent joe biden certainly

00:05:40.880 is not apart from he has a sort of a cunning political cunning um but the three of them then

00:05:47.360 have those those establishment views so they're useful and that's kind of my premise is that joe biden

00:05:53.860 was the sort of tool of the blob or the people who are in control uh from the cia the state department

00:06:02.320 and they wanted a sort of puppet president as they pretty much always had and the same people who

00:06:09.960 covered up for joe biden and his corruption allowed it green lit it are the same people that

00:06:14.800 are propping up kamala harris and who regard donald trump as an existential threat but not to america or

00:06:22.900 democracy like we're told but to them and their power it's just it's amazing to me as an american

00:06:28.360 if you told me 10 years ago that i'd be sitting you know talking to a reporter uh on camera about how

00:06:34.320 the cia controls who the president is and then uses the president's puppets i would have thought that

00:06:38.440 sounds a little far out but it's clearly true yeah i don't know just the cia i mean i think it's the

00:06:45.860 what obama people called the blob what mike benz talks about for sure the you know it's the

00:06:50.740 pentagon state department cia um and in in the cover-up of joe biden's corruption and hunter

00:06:59.000 biden the hunter biden investigation also the department of justice and the irs were involved

00:07:04.300 um and so it's the classic what trump called the deep state um and they couldn't control him he's

00:07:11.880 always been an uncontrollable person and that's i guess his gift um what what made him so good as

00:07:19.900 president and is allowing him now to do so well but it also makes him an existential threat to the

00:07:26.000 blob to the deep state so the impeachment the first impeachment of trump over ukraine should have been

00:07:33.640 the tip off to the rest of us that ukraine was really the kind of the whole point for these people

00:07:39.660 and i remember thinking well it was just an excuse they were using because they wanted to impeach trump

00:07:44.800 but no it really was the third rail for them yeah in hindsight it was incredible that donald trump got

00:07:51.240 impeached for the sins of joe biden effectively um and doing exactly like being accused of doing

00:07:58.800 exactly what joe biden did which was to withhold us aid joe biden withheld a billion dollars of us aid

00:08:05.320 um so that the president poroshenko of ukraine fired the honest prosecutor who was investigating the

00:08:14.740 company that was paying his son a million dollars a year and donald trump made um in a conversation

00:08:22.280 with zelensky he said you know can you please investigate um the biden family um stopping the

00:08:30.480 prosecution of burisma this energy company in ukraine and um for that and for supposedly

00:08:37.740 talking about or withholding aid for like a millisecond from ukraine he got impeached we only

00:08:45.020 know about that conversation because he was spied on and then the contents were leaked correct

00:08:50.040 no i mean the conversation he had with zelensky is public i mean it's listened to and there's a readout

00:08:56.640 um but i guess and he then released a transcript himself but you're not meant to have a verbatim

00:09:02.480 american people isn't meant to have a verbatim transcript these phone calls for some reason are

00:09:06.600 not actually recorded they're just sort of transcribed but yeah it was leaked by um a ukrainian

00:09:13.400 uh american um sort of i don't know he was in the in the in the state department at the time listening

00:09:20.260 and the crime was threatening to withhold aid as if the ukraine is a constitutional right to american

00:09:27.560 tax dollars or something i don't understand the well because they said that it was a he was it was

00:09:33.880 of political benefit to him even though joe biden was not candidate for president at the time they

00:09:38.700 said that that somehow donald trump knew that joe biden who was the least likely to become the

00:09:44.820 democratic candidate um that somehow donald trump's had a crystal ball and figured out that it was

00:09:51.060 joe biden actually i mean donald trump knew that there was nefarious stuff going on in ukraine um

00:10:00.480 and he'd had his personal lawyer rudy giuliani was looking into it and he suspected that ukraine was

00:10:07.840 involved in um interfering with his campaign in 2016 and getting his campaign manager um

00:10:14.660 a guy called manafort um basically ended up being jailed um and i'm not i'm not defending manafort

00:10:20.360 i think he was like a lot of grifters american grifters in ukraine very corrupt country the most

00:10:25.060 corrupt country in europe um they're out there with their hands out um so i mean the republicans doing

00:10:31.100 it but the bidens were doing it and i think that you know joe biden as vice president sold out the

00:10:38.540 country in many ways and ukraine was part of that for a few million dollars for his family

00:10:43.760 um and uh you know maybe 25 million that we've discovered from china and ukraine and russia and

00:10:50.800 romania and so on um but but you know i i think ukraine has just been an obsession by the blob

00:11:00.220 because they think they're trying to weaken russia and they think the way to do that is they want to

00:11:06.660 wean um europe of russian energy and um and they had this fantasy that ukraine was going to be able

00:11:15.900 to supply europe with the energy that russia didn't once they cut off but it's impossible

00:11:20.880 because ukraine has three percent of the shale gas deposits that russia has so it doesn't make sense

00:11:29.280 why why would they care like what why that's what i don't under i've never understood why russia's bad

00:11:35.920 me neither i my actual theory i have two theories one is that because it's um sort of orthodox christian

00:11:44.480 and so the now america's always sort of exported its way of life and its democracy and that's been a

00:11:52.040 benign thing until maybe the last decade when the state department is now thinks that its role in

00:11:59.540 in exporting american culture is lgbtq stuff which goes right down to i think in indonesia very

00:12:08.860 conservative kind of muslim country i think it was indonesia or anyway it was a country like that

00:12:14.860 where um they were having like drag drag queen story time the state department was funding that

00:12:21.440 you know which just causes great hostility in these conservative countries it damages america's

00:12:27.480 interest to impose these social um sort of bizarre social norms onto um these like maybe uh culturally

00:12:38.260 conservative countries and i think russia is regarded as culturally conservative putin um has allied

00:12:45.540 himself with the orthodox church i don't think necessarily because he himself is religious at all

00:12:50.720 but just because it's a source of power for him and um and you know you see it in poland

00:12:57.440 a lot of those eastern bloc countries um they really reject this uh this cultural imperialism from

00:13:05.480 america it happened in afghanistan i mean when kabul fell the pride flag was hanging over the brand new

00:13:13.240 embassy um that the americans had built so that's they hung a pride flag in afghanistan yes

00:13:19.860 so this this is just all that does is antagonize everyone around the world and i don't think the

00:13:28.400 american people want agree with it or why would it be exporting homosexuality yeah and transgender

00:13:36.000 you know transing your children but why would the u.s government even have that in its portfolio

00:13:40.840 why is it the u.s government's business who you sleep with well because that joe biden came in

00:13:46.920 promising equity and um he just gave an interview to the blade i think just boasting about how important

00:13:55.180 his his administration had been in promoting um you know transgender rights uh rainbow rights

00:14:03.780 so i i don't and it's sort of a sort of a shadow agenda that most americans aren't really aware of

00:14:12.780 but you saw it when on uh when joe biden invited this transgender woman um who came to the white

00:14:21.940 house and bared her breasts she's really a man bared her breasts um for the cameras in in the white

00:14:28.900 house and the pride flag was adorning the white house at equal status with the american flag and people

00:14:36.040 were outraged by that but i don't think we wonder why we're getting all these hurricanes

00:14:39.560 it's not global warming sorry well it's the trannies in the white house well we've always

00:14:46.440 had hurricanes though yeah well yeah but you can see why they'd be increasing in frequency after stuff

00:14:51.240 like that um that well that's just that i think that's what that's one reason why russia has resisted

00:14:57.600 and they are trying to impose on right the same with hungary remember they've america has sent

00:15:02.880 hungary's kind of traditionally catholic and quite culturally conservative and so what does america

00:15:09.100 do send a gay ambassador with a husband and adopted kids um to just talk about nothing but gay rights

00:15:17.120 in he's got an iq of about 80 and is doesn't speak hungarian and is lecturing everyone in the country

00:15:21.820 about how immoral they are yeah i mean send him to australia he would be embraced they would love him

00:15:26.980 but you don't why would you antagonize a country that's conservative and is having its own well

00:15:33.420 that's the purpose of diplomacy right is to make your potential allies hate you that's right yeah

00:15:38.880 so i think that's one one reason that that the state department has a loathing for russia um but

00:15:45.620 also i think it's because this is my theory i have no proof for it but that you know china seems to be

00:15:52.900 much more of a threat than russia which is a small gdp it really isn't um that much of a threat to

00:15:58.140 america whereas china is encroaching um you know it's it's imperialist it's um very aggressive now

00:16:06.480 in the south china sea it's trapping all these little countries in debt traps um you know the

00:16:13.520 belt and road initiative is an imperialist objective and it's directly threatening to the united states

00:16:18.820 so i think that the wall street or the people that um fund the blob and fund the wars don't want the

00:16:28.340 american people to realize that china's the real threat um so they focus their attention on russia

00:16:35.480 and um so that we just forget about china and it's amazing how many americans fall for it i say that

00:16:41.320 was sadness they fall for it i mean what was russia's imperial aims no what what threat does

00:16:49.460 russia post the united states except a nuclear response to provocation from nato i don't i don't

00:16:54.820 but people kind of fall for it it's like the worst person in the world is putin okay maybe he's a bad

00:16:58.640 guy but is that there are a lot of bad guys around there are a lot of bad guys there are a lot of bad

00:17:03.460 guys including in our government so it's it's interesting um so but you think the

00:17:09.620 the point of ukraine is to destabilize russia yeah and the point of destabilizing russia is because

00:17:16.720 they won't bow to american cultural imperialism on the gay stuff not entirely i just think that that

00:17:22.960 gives um sort of impetus and passion to those people in the state department who um you know

00:17:30.740 everyone needs to be on the same song sheet and they all need to hate russia and so why you have to

00:17:38.340 try and understand why do they hate russia so much what's russia done to them and you know i do think

00:17:44.200 that um that the fact that they're sort of i mean remember the dramas when putin imposed some sort of

00:17:51.760 anti-gay law i don't think it was it wasn't actually anti-gay it was kind of what ron de sandis is trying

00:17:57.440 to do in florida is just stop this grooming and encroachment on childhood yeah you can't throw

00:18:04.760 sexual propaganda at children yeah that would be like the you know anti-kid toucher law that would

00:18:10.780 be totally conventional in any normal country that's right and and you know you can't fund

00:18:15.240 hormone replacement um and genital mutilation for 12 year olds you know you don't want to set kids on

00:18:22.860 the path of changing their sex so leave them alone until they're 18 i think that's pretty reasonable

00:18:29.140 um but that's seen as being anti-gay amazing it's funny how some of the biggest threats to your

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00:19:02.840 again for another two years that means your elected representatives have allowed the united states

00:19:10.080 government to spy on you they've weaponized your government which you pay for against you its own

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00:20:55.160 so nothing this all came and you've written about this for several years now

00:21:05.520 pretty conclusively i would say you had an amazing book on hunter biden's laptop which

00:21:10.420 sort of substantiates a lot of what you're saying um but no one has ever been punished for it there was

00:21:16.640 no effect really no so that's why i wrote the second book the big guy which is joe biden's code name that

00:21:24.800 uh hunter biden's former business partners like tony bobulinski um used to had had to use to refer to

00:21:31.960 joe biden because the family was so paranoid about his involvement and i think you know the the first book

00:21:38.320 the laptop from hell that we at the new york post wrote about and then got censored by big tech

00:21:44.660 at the time that was before the 2020 election and we didn't really understand

00:21:49.840 like how this was happening we just thought oh twitter and facebook are just woke and they want joe biden

00:21:56.000 to win so they're censoring us but what we found out after the election um in part thanks to elon musk

00:22:02.800 opening up the twitter files um and also uh because of a whole lot of the once the republicans took the

00:22:09.360 house in 2022 um or after 22 we um we they got to subpoena a whole lot of documents and also interview

00:22:18.920 witnesses plus whistleblowers from the fbi told us that um the reason that twitter and facebook

00:22:25.440 censored us was because they'd been um warned by the fbi for weeks ahead of our story even appearing

00:22:33.000 to look out for um a russian hack and leak operation uh likely in october likely involving hunter biden

00:22:42.320 and so when twitter and facebook saw our story on october 14 2020 they recognized it immediately

00:22:50.360 as the russian hack and leak dump how would the fbi know well the fbi was spying on rudy giuliani who was

00:23:00.280 donald trump's personal lawyer they uh unbeknownst to him they had a covert surveillance warrant on his

00:23:06.400 um icloud and so they would have had access to the email that came to him in august of 2020 from

00:23:14.800 john paul mc isaac who was i think you interviewed him um the laptop repair shop owner who um had the

00:23:22.060 laptop that hunter had abandoned at his shop and uh and the fbi had actually um subpoenaed that

00:23:30.060 laptop in december of 2019 they had it in their possession had they'd had it for 10 months

00:23:35.920 when they were telling twitter and facebook oh no this is russian disinformation you know

00:23:40.600 um you must censor so and then a few days after we were censored um outcomes the dirty 51 letter and

00:23:49.220 it was the the open letter by 51 former intelligence officials most of them cia i think 42

00:23:55.460 ex-cia including um john brennan and leon panetta and james clapper there were five uh either directors

00:24:04.080 or acting directors of the cia who signed that dishonest letter that said that the laptop was

00:24:09.880 russian disinformation and therefore our reporting was russian disinformation um they called it they

00:24:15.560 said it had all the classic earmarks of a russian information operation so now if any of them respond

00:24:23.220 to any questions about it and uh they just say well we didn't say it was russian disinformation we said

00:24:29.020 information operation same thing and they knew because they leaked it to politico and then the

00:24:36.060 washington post and new york times picked it up and all the headlines were russian disinformation the

00:24:40.560 laptop so that killed the story stone dead and two days later um joe biden gets up on stage with

00:24:48.640 donald trump in the last debate and he uses that letter to basically get out of jail free and the story

00:24:55.440 never ever became anything um but what we now know is that that letter was not just signed by these

00:25:04.640 formers but that it was cleared by the internal cia classification review board in record time and

00:25:13.460 even they saw it and thought it was overtly political just three weeks before an election

00:25:17.860 so they sent it upstairs to gina haspel who was then the cia director under donald trump

00:25:24.300 and she gave it the green light to be published immediately and so the dirty 51 letter was

00:25:31.520 actually a domestic cia interference operation with the election and you know that just boggles your

00:25:40.440 mind when what happened in gina haspel well she uh obviously left um and she now has a job

00:25:47.500 in some it's either a law firm or something it's one of the you know stables that um

00:25:53.880 disloyal democrat lovers end up going and making lots of money in but never punished

00:26:01.160 retains her security clearance of course all of them do all all the 51 and in fact several of

00:26:07.180 these signatories are not just former cia people but they're active cia contractors today

00:26:14.280 and why not pull that i've never understood no one has a right to a security clearance period and

00:26:20.960 people have them pulled all the time unpopular people have their security clearances pulled at

00:26:25.480 which point they can't work with the u.s government and they can't they don't have access to information

00:26:28.960 that i as a taxpayer don't have access to why not just pull their security clearances like every

00:26:34.440 single one of them day one well i mean that's what donald trump should have done yeah um but he you

00:26:40.160 know he had a couple of months i guess and it took a while to for this all to settle settle in everyone

00:26:45.660 to really understand what they did that they actually did interfere with the election because

00:26:50.900 i mean we know now from polls that enough biden voters would have changed their vote if they'd known

00:26:57.080 about joe biden's corruption you know even if they just knew that he'd been lying to the american

00:27:01.760 people during the campaign when he said i know nothing about my son hunter's overseas business

00:27:06.680 dealings and yet we had on the front page an email from hunter's ukrainian uh sort of paymaster

00:27:14.260 um from that company burisma who um had thanked hunter for introducing him to his father in washington

00:27:21.600 dc the then sitting vice president um we found out after the election that was a dinner at cafe milano

00:27:28.560 which you probably know in georgetown um that hunter on there all my life yeah well hunter organized

00:27:34.540 that um for for his father the vice president in a private room to meet with his ukrainian business

00:27:41.360 partners plus russian plus kazakhstan he did a three-for-one deal in april of 2015 and joe biden

00:27:48.680 denied that he'd ever met these people he sat down he had dinner and it was only when the washington post

00:27:54.260 um i'm just trying to fact check my story about the cafe milano dinner um you know they're they're

00:28:01.220 four pinocchios people were very glenn kessler was certain that you know i'd made it up or it was

00:28:06.440 wrong they're four pinocchios people and uh and the white house then admitted to glenn kessler not

00:28:12.500 never to me um that yes joe biden did go to that dinner but he didn't do it for any nefarious

00:28:17.900 purpose and he only stayed for a short time which is not true because someone who was there told me

00:28:23.200 that he was there for the entire dinner and he might not like it's not like joe biden is going to

00:28:27.880 talk about the finer details of you know how much money you're going to pay hunter but he just has

00:28:32.500 to show up and be charming and be the vice president for all the money to flow into hunter's pockets

00:28:39.020 has he ever answered any substantial questions about this no the only time that he's sort of asked the

00:28:50.740 questions is actually by the new york post um washington correspondent steven nelson and by um

00:28:56.980 steve ducey peter ducey sorry from fox news and all they managed to do is shout questions um across

00:29:04.340 to him but in all the interviews that biden has done as president in four years no reporters ever

00:29:09.600 said let's just go through this for a second no oh no sir there was someone i think from might have

00:29:14.640 been cbs it was a woman um they were standing up but he gets very aggressive um oh and then the

00:29:21.180 axios there was an axios reporter too he just joe biden people underestimate his aggressiveness he's

00:29:28.400 very good at it you he's very nasty and so if you ask him a question he doesn't like it's almost like

00:29:34.800 this narcissistic rage it's quite frightening and you see reporters recoil and you ask him anything

00:29:42.340 around hunters sort of or the family corruption because it's just also um joe's younger brother

00:29:48.460 jim biden um he gets very aggressive and nasty and pushes back so he's successful in that

00:29:55.560 why do the cia um dislike trump so much it's clearly not because they thought he was unfit

00:30:04.660 to be president they supported a senile man for president so that's not an important criterion for

00:30:10.060 them what's the real reason they hated trump so much because trump is uncontrollable he's always

00:30:15.460 been uncontrollable since he was a child um he's that's his sort of magic strength i think that he

00:30:23.860 won't be told what to do by anybody and you saw the effect of that during the four years that he was

00:30:30.460 president um suddenly the blob's agenda was to the wayside because donald trump treats foreign policy

00:30:38.120 just like domestic policy just the way he did when he was a property developer in queens he acts on first

00:30:43.920 principles logically common sense he looks at an issue and he goes oh this is a problem i'm just

00:30:50.880 going to treat like for instance when he became president um barack obama said to him the biggest

00:30:56.320 problem that we have is north korea because kim jong-un keeps on detonating all these nuclear

00:31:02.140 tests and um he's a problem and so donald trump neutralized that he put kim jong-un in a box and he was

00:31:09.080 mocked mercilessly for it you know little rocket man it's bromance with kim jong-un but it worked

00:31:15.740 same thing with putin um you know trump's just very belligerent um he he just makes threats and people

00:31:25.920 don't know if he means it or not i think he threatened putin that you know look those lovely

00:31:30.440 domes in moscow shame if something happened to them and putin didn't invade any countries while trump

00:31:37.900 was president like he did when obama was president like he did immediately when biden was president

00:31:43.020 so putin was in his box iran on its knees it was completely broke it didn't have the money to fund

00:31:50.860 the proxies to attack israel like it did last october 7 um you know the middle east whatever you think

00:31:57.600 i mean the abraham accords were the promise of peace in the middle east which had been you know the

00:32:03.600 mantra of so many presidents for decades and suddenly trump comes in and he kind of starts to

00:32:11.120 pull it off and that was anathema to the blob controllers because the agenda whatever agenda

00:32:20.500 they have which i i kind of think is still opaque i don't really understand it completely um but

00:32:27.080 um their agenda is is the opposite of what the american people want and um that's why donald trump

00:32:36.560 didn't follow their agenda and that's why he was so successful in foreign policy and they don't want

00:32:44.340 that so i think that the idea that he would become president again um is an existential threat to them and

00:32:53.400 their power and that's why they will do whatever it takes to ensure that he doesn't win and we've seen

00:33:01.260 they've attacked him with lawfare to assassination attempts they've totally demonized him so half the

00:33:07.680 country thinks he's hitler um and it still hasn't worked if he does get elected um i think it's pretty

00:33:16.320 clear he can't really govern with a government like the one we have now or the one we had between 16 and 20

00:33:22.300 do you think it'll be possible to in four years uproot the rot i i mean no i don't think so although

00:33:32.740 the thing is he's much wiser than he we all are than we were we i look back even in 2020 and think

00:33:39.940 how naive we were um i mean this happens all the time like in 2016 you think you're naive after the

00:33:46.360 iraq or you think you're naive but you you really you can never be too cynical i think and so he knows

00:33:52.820 a lot more now and he knows he knew that the deep state was a problem but i don't think he realized the

00:33:57.920 extent they would go to to um cripple his administration which they pretty successfully did

00:34:03.480 it's amazing he achieved as much as he did considering he had the russia hoax hanging over him

00:34:08.080 the muller investigation uh you know he's just coming out of it into the clear and then um covid

00:34:14.760 hit um so i i think he'll be older and wiser i think he will not be as naive about the people he

00:34:22.300 puts around him he admits himself that he made mistakes in personnel um and i think that's why

00:34:27.780 this demonization of the project 2025 or whatever it is from the heritage foundation um has been so

00:34:34.820 effective because uh they know that um what trump needs is a really good group of 2 000 people to

00:34:43.120 install day one in his administration and that was really the the central premise of project 2025

00:34:49.780 um but i think he's got a good good group of people like he's got howard lutnik who knows about how to

00:34:56.700 um hire 2 000 good people at a moment's notice because he had to do it with canter fitzgerald after

00:35:02.460 september 11th um so he and now he's got you know elon musk um you um rfk jr i mean he's got a phalanx of

00:35:12.200 um smart people who are not sort of traditional republicans but who are wise about the deep state

00:35:20.380 and the kind of um existential threat to democracy that they are even though they project that and

00:35:27.120 demonize trump for it and so a lot of people silicon valley they see that trump is actually

00:35:34.420 um the answer and not the problem and so they're backing him so you you would hope with that brain's

00:35:42.620 trust that he's going to be able to at least make a dent on it i don't think in four years he's going

00:35:47.520 to be able to solve the problem of the cia the fbi and the state department but um he'll probably

00:35:53.940 probably fire you know the top three layers and um and it'll be messy and they will probably

00:36:01.480 stage i don't know i mean the worst thing you can imagine i don't want to jinx it but

00:36:05.820 you know terrorist domestic terrorist attacks america's been um thankfully free of that unlike

00:36:13.160 england australia um most countries have had islamist terrorist attacks unlike america

00:36:21.280 so whether that's because american culture intrinsically sort of um allows immigrants to

00:36:29.420 to feel american so they don't hate america as much or because i don't know cia fbi did a great job

00:36:36.240 i don't know but i would imagine that um that'll be used as an excuse and a way to weaken trump

00:36:42.840 um but he's only got one term that seems likely to me is it yeah i would think so

00:36:49.420 yeah that and pulling the supports out from underneath the economy yes because yeah janet

00:36:57.260 yellen's been propping up joe biden's economy in the stock market yeah that's ugly um just want to

00:37:04.260 go back for one moment um to biden's behavior as vice president pretty out in the open i mean his son

00:37:12.240 hunter's flying around the world raising money on his father's name what does barack obama the then

00:37:18.500 president think of this yeah i that that was strange i mean he was aware um of joe biden's

00:37:25.740 corruption issues because um when they were vetting biden to be vice president this was a

00:37:33.000 a major issue and hunter had to resign from various lobbying gigs that he had and was very resentful of

00:37:38.900 it in fact he resented obama and the obama white house because they kept on putting crimps on his

00:37:44.840 ability to use the white house to make money um and like for instance when um when hunter first joined

00:37:55.720 the burisma board um his best friend in business devon archer who has is now an anti uh biden person but

00:38:04.720 um was then on the burisma board with um with hunter um he was invited with hunter to the white house to

00:38:13.100 meet with joe biden and um ostensibly for a school project but what came out of it was a photograph of

00:38:20.880 joe biden the vice president with hunter's business partner devon archer just joined the board of

00:38:27.340 burisma that burisma then hunter took the photo burisma put that photo on their website um and that

00:38:35.260 became a problem for the white house when they realized so um the sort of ethics czar or the white

00:38:41.780 house council actually contacted hunter biden's business partner another business partner and

00:38:46.740 said quick take it down so it was an emergency situation but it was enough it was seen and it

00:38:54.480 was enough of an embarrassment for david ignatius of all people at the washington post to write a column

00:39:00.160 um excoriating joe biden for being so sloppy david ignatius being the cia spokesman for washington

00:39:06.840 post yeah yeah foreign policy columnist um in like philip bump so what about that um you spent your

00:39:17.680 life in uh journalism you're the daughter of a famous journalist um at what point did like the

00:39:25.500 overwhelming majority of journalists become more loyal to the cia than to their readers yeah i don't

00:39:31.140 know i mean my father was a journalist in tokyo in the 1960s and he said it was crawling with spies

00:39:38.600 then so journalism especially in the cold war was full of well those august publications like new york

00:39:45.980 times washington post full of spies back then i mean your dad would know as well from because he was a

00:39:51.860 journalist in that era i think it was really journalism and spies were good friends and great

00:39:59.040 sources and also kind of interchangeable in some ways so maybe nothing has changed well i think

00:40:05.960 that's actually fair now that you're saying it out loud i think that is that is in fact i think i know

00:40:10.080 for a fact that that's true so you're right but the difference is that i think the cia used well we

00:40:15.220 used to think i don't know if i even question myself about this now but we used to think that they're on

00:40:20.160 the side of the angels like they were promoting truth justice in the american way and that was a good

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00:42:55.640 certainly now though it's it's pretty obvious that there's a massive disconnect between the agenda of

00:43:16.200 the blob state department dood cia nsa all the all the armed federal agencies and american voters there's

00:43:24.240 just not really a big overlap between what one group wants and what the country itself wants so

00:43:29.080 at some point don't journalists have to say well i don't know i'm supposed to represent my my readers or

00:43:35.280 viewers they don't seem to have any sense of loyalty or obligation to the people they're supposedly serving

00:43:41.900 yeah but think about the new york times and the washington post who are the people that they're

00:43:47.220 serving who who really are the subscribers of the new york times um we don't have any visibility into

00:43:54.800 that do you think the new york times really cares if the ccp buys up um you know a million subscriptions

00:44:01.420 at one dollar a pop um the washington post like they're serving the blob that's their people they're

00:44:08.500 the do you think it's possible that foreign governments buy subscriptions in bulk to try to

00:44:13.520 influence news organizations i don't know but it makes sense and we don't know if it is happening or

00:44:19.780 not because that's all proprietary information and why would the new york times look too closely

00:44:25.440 at um the golden egg that the foreign goose laid well that's like that's a fascinating possibility

00:44:32.740 i mean you know that foreign governments intel services are all over social media i mean all

00:44:37.640 well that's one of the things we learned when elon musk bought twitter is that foreign governments

00:44:42.520 a number of foreign governments had employees working there well and the cia and the fbi had if they

00:44:47.780 were caught there were so many at at twitter that they had like a support group like they had their

00:44:54.660 own slack channels support group and and um remember um james baker the he was the general

00:45:03.160 counsel for the fbi during all the right he was involved in all that russia collusion stuff he

00:45:07.700 he's he was certainly there in the room and then suddenly eight months before the 2020 election

00:45:13.520 he gets parachuted into twitter as their number two lawyer um and he was involved we now know from the

00:45:21.800 twitter files intimately in the censorship of the new york post there were people at um twitter

00:45:26.940 including the much maligned um y'all roth who was the chief censor um he was actually pushing back

00:45:33.380 on this fbi cia censorship um but james baker was such a can i just ask you to pause that's such a smart

00:45:40.620 point y'all roth or something about him you just it was he was easy to hate and blame but it turned

00:45:45.740 out y'all roth was by far he was a good guy far exactly yeah exactly yeah it's sad well it is sad

00:45:53.000 have you ever spoken to him no but i've um he wrote a sworn declaration for a separate um a separate

00:46:01.000 court case in which he was just honest he said um that he he was the one that told us that the fbi

00:46:09.060 came in and and said look out for this russian disinformation in october about under biden so i've

00:46:15.520 always had a soft spot for him i thought well he's one of the few people there who's been truthful

00:46:20.280 you know he doesn't seem to have an agenda you said that the fbi knew i'm sorry i'm jumping around

00:46:26.980 but there's just so much you said that the fbi knew that the laptop was coming your reporting was

00:46:32.520 on the way because they were spying on rudy giuliani the president's lawyer which is pretty shocking

00:46:37.240 yes they would do that they never found anything well i know that we were being surveilled at that

00:46:43.260 at the i know for a fact in october of 2020 um my producers and i were being surveilled by the innocent

00:46:49.760 i'm i don't know by somebody who stole a a um a hard drive with images from hunter's laptop out of

00:46:58.780 the ups sorting center in new york um do you have you ever thought that because you've reported on this

00:47:04.940 so extensively for so long that maybe you know your communications are not secure oh i'm sure

00:47:11.300 they're not yeah and in fact um when i talked to new people like there was some nypd former nypd people

00:47:20.180 uh sorry fbi and nypd people um they said to me uh we're going to meet we had to meet in person

00:47:27.820 um they didn't trust they said to me your phones you know i know you mean well but there'll be people

00:47:33.900 listening in on you so so i'm i'm just listening to the conversation in the room through the mic on

00:47:39.780 the phone i don't know i don't know how they do it i i mean just the fact we have our phones with us

00:47:44.900 people who are super secure conscience including wall street people and so on they leave their

00:47:50.240 phones outside but i kind of think i'm a journalist and so if i'm meeting with um sources that don't want

00:47:58.580 so i always meet in person anyway or we communicate with encrypted apps which are probably not safe but

00:48:03.400 there are a couple that are maybe okay um when when your reporting was censored did any

00:48:09.000 buddy in the white house press corps any fellow journalists you knew from other publications

00:48:13.960 extend sympathy and say to you like i think this is wrong what's happening i mean how did other

00:48:18.940 journalists respond well the usual ones you would expect would did so the conservative ones um

00:48:25.120 um but um no i mean i remember maggie haberman um who used to work at the new york post now new york

00:48:31.980 times star anti-trump person um she and but she's a just a normal reporter like she actually has good

00:48:39.260 curiosity still and so she tweeted our story because it was amazing and there was another um reporter

00:48:48.160 young reporter i think from politico or somewhere who also retweeted um just like oh look what the new

00:48:53.060 old posters got october surprise um and they were like excoriated on twitter by journalism professors

00:49:00.740 for having the audacity to promote our story what's a journalism professor yeah exactly a propaganda

00:49:09.840 professor maybe that's what they are is it a job that requires a specialized degree do you think

00:49:15.020 i did a degree at northwestern no way i did it i did a master's in journalism and it was the best

00:49:21.960 thing i ever did oh come on no it was brilliant it was brilliant this was in 96 so it was um it hadn't

00:49:30.580 been polluted and there was some fantastic real journalists there chicago um not columbia so chicago

00:49:37.320 was okay then incredible yeah no it was wonderful i i learned so much about you know just the basics of

00:49:46.080 journalism and there was no propaganda well you just overturned my preconception but i think it's

00:49:52.580 different now look i think i look at northwestern i see what happens but uh and columbia and the the

00:49:59.100 difference is that the new breed of journalists think that they have to change the world and that's

00:50:06.300 why they're slumming it and becoming journalists and not going to wall street you know i think if they

00:50:11.840 were smart enough to uh lend money for a living they would i think we're getting the dumb ones

00:50:18.160 so what what exactly happened to joe biden is he still i mean he has escaped any punishment for the

00:50:24.720 many crimes that you've detailed at some length um and i don't think that's overstatement to say

00:50:31.280 you've detailed the crimes of joe biden he's never been punished never will be i don't think is he

00:50:35.500 still running the country was he ever running the country well that's right of course yeah i i mean

00:50:41.260 if you saw him in 2020 in um you know on the campaign trail basically in iowa and new hampshire

00:50:48.680 it was obvious that he was cognitively shot um he'd have to have dr jill lead him across the

00:50:56.140 stage to make a stupid speech he had teleprompters dragged into tiny town halls because no one was

00:51:02.500 interested in him um just to do basic stump speeches that any other politician could do in their sleep

00:51:08.420 so it was amazing that things were rigged and that people like amy klobuchar and pete buddha judge

00:51:16.380 just agreed to step aside for him but um i guess he was the only palatable um available candidate that

00:51:25.240 they had that they could pretend was a moderate to the american people and so so but i think with joe

00:51:31.900 biden sort of a mystery everyone now is saying oh you know he's senile but i think with all these um

00:51:38.580 like cognitive decline problems um it it sort of waxes and wanes and and remember he had those

00:51:46.020 aneurysms back in i think the 80s um he had a couple of pretty serious brain bleeds i remember very

00:51:51.720 well and brain operations so you don't know how that factors in and because i know people and foreign

00:51:59.320 foreign sort of heads of state who have met with joe biden behind closed doors for extended periods

00:52:06.820 in washington dc from two different countries and they said he was completely lucid this is halfway

00:52:12.900 through his presidency that i'm going come on no way you know you can tell me it's off the record no no

00:52:18.440 no they said no absolutely he was compass mentis he was running the agenda everyone around him like

00:52:25.820 anthony blinken was deferring to him he only had like a like talking points on a piece of paper that

00:52:32.020 he referred to occasionally but he was definitely in charge so that's the good joe biden but then

00:52:37.500 someone else i spoke to who was there at one of those g20 or g8 summits in cornwall in england

00:52:44.620 um said that and remember there were there was footage of joe biden sort of wandering around aimlessly

00:52:50.200 and um looking lost and apparently he was completely out of it there he was you know goosing boris

00:52:58.340 johnson's wife and um just acting very inappropriately and um and so so i think that jet lag and you know

00:53:07.500 the time of day when they can't quite control his environment that he the senility sort of creeps in

00:53:14.660 but he still has lucid moments and maybe long moments and we saw that every time he had to do

00:53:21.940 a big set piece except the debate against donald trump when it almost seemed like they let him out

00:53:27.620 without a safety net you know late at night when he'd been doing all this traveling and um it was

00:53:34.940 almost like he was set up to fail and um i think now he probably you know he's had sleep he doesn't he

00:53:43.840 hasn't had to travel as much he's vacationing all the time at his beach house so i think he's probably

00:53:49.700 in the best cognitive shape he's been in for a while and he seems to be pretty lucid um you know

00:53:58.060 when you see him out giving speeches when he's undercutting camilla harris as he did twice in the last

00:54:05.620 few weeks um you know when he said she just she picked a fight with ron de santis over the hurricane

00:54:11.620 and joe biden just seamlessly comes in and says oh ron de santis is a great guy you know i talk to

00:54:18.080 him all the time uh when he cut in she was going to do a big speech in detroit where she was going to

00:54:24.000 take credit for ending the longshoreman's impending strike and joe biden just that moment decides to

00:54:31.700 make an appearance in the washington you know the press room for the first time ever and of course all the

00:54:38.640 cameras cut from detroit straight to joe biden and he didn't have much to say other than to say that

00:54:44.480 he and camilla harris were joined at the hip that we were singing from this you know we're on the same

00:54:49.580 page and she's trying to turn the page so i think that he's and there's been reporting from behind the

00:54:57.720 scenes that he's angry that camilla harris is trying to or her campaign's trying to distance

00:55:03.160 her from him and throwing him under the bus and trying to reject bidenomics she went to

00:55:09.960 i think pittsburgh and gave this economic speech uh in which either pittsburgh or chicago in which

00:55:16.640 she didn't mention bidenomics she did not pay tribute to joe biden for the fabulous economy

00:55:21.660 that he's given everyone so he was angry about that apparently and dr jill's angry as well

00:55:26.400 do you think it would be i mean camilla harris has got to be as controlled as joe biden was correct

00:55:34.440 same people they're same people you saw there was a letter like the dirty 51 letter it was they i mean

00:55:40.740 i got 251 people from the national security establishment um some of them the same as the

00:55:46.900 dirty 51 about eight or nine of them were the same including leon panetta um and they're just saying

00:55:53.100 that that camilla harris is the most competent um commander in chief that we could have far superior

00:56:00.540 to donald trump and she's so unworthy of that incredible that these people would put their

00:56:07.340 reputations on the line leon panetta former ca director former congressman from california

00:56:12.140 kind of an idiot um i can say since i know him um hard to believe he ran ca but he is telling us that

00:56:20.040 kamala harris is the most qualified person to be president united states yeah yeah far superior in

00:56:26.140 every way to donald trump but if you'll say that then you'll say anything like it doesn't like like

00:56:30.640 the reality doesn't matter like that hunter biden's laptop is russian disinformation they just lie

00:56:35.340 and they get away with it and they're treated like you know eminent people so you're um an australian

00:56:45.140 who's lived in the united states for many many years i think it's fair to say not to speak for you but

00:56:48.760 you love america i think i was born in america i'm an american citizen i was that true i was born in

00:56:54.180 queens new york just like donald trump really yes how because my parent i'm an anchor baby oh nice

00:57:03.580 so my parents um were foreign correspond my dad was a foreign correspondent and uh they were in new york

00:57:09.880 so i spent my first two years here so but okay so as an american citizen who's lived in this country

00:57:16.980 a long time a dual national one of those evil globalists are you really got another passport

00:57:20.920 yeah and i grew up in a lot of countries so i'm sort of i'm one of those people well you are

00:57:26.540 kind of rootless i'm a globalist cosmopolitan yeah yeah so but i mean sometimes people who've lived a

00:57:33.740 lot of places have a clearer perspective on this if you have a country where nobody believes in the

00:57:37.980 leadership doesn't believe that they're morally justified in what they're doing doesn't believe

00:57:42.740 they're telling the truth about anything assumes that their lips are moving they're lying you know

00:57:46.800 how does your country continue don't you need that trust to have a voluntary system yeah democracy but

00:57:53.500 but like america is the last country that um where there is some sort of freedom and some sort of hope

00:58:01.480 that that you know the people can take back control of their government again and i think that's

00:58:08.600 because there's a you know residual feeling among americans because of the revolution because they

00:58:15.000 they are untameable like donald trump um and they're sort of outlaws in a way um and also because of the

00:58:23.240 constitution the first amendment the second amendment you know that protects america from the sort of

00:58:28.700 censorship that we've seen descend on europe and australia and new zealand and you know i know from

00:58:35.280 australia that you know people are like frogs in boiling water they don't actually realize what's

00:58:40.300 happened particularly since covid covid like jane fonda said was a great boon to the left um she saw

00:58:47.540 that very early on and it allowed a lot of censorship um initially about you know to save us our health

00:58:55.460 because of covid to stop um naughty scientists like jay badacharya and marty mccary um telling the truth

00:59:03.840 about covid that it wasn't actually as lethal as everyone said and that masks made no difference and

00:59:08.560 um and that the vaccine was not needed for young people and that it was probably

00:59:14.480 bad for them um so all of that censorship that worked so well when everyone was afraid i think gave

00:59:24.660 a green light to the bad guys in control allowed them to see that wow we could do that in covid we can

00:59:31.960 do whatever we like and that's what's happened in europe and australia you know england um and in

00:59:37.740 america it had we see it the good thing is that it's sort of they've tried to do it and they sort of

00:59:43.820 succeeded and i i did the deep dive on the the laptop uh and so it happened there and it happened

00:59:50.680 with covid even memes about jill biden were being censored but because of elon musk um because of the

00:59:57.940 twitter files and because enough americans have woken up and are just um i don't know in their dna

01:00:05.660 they despise overlords so uh they're rejecting it and i think that's what this election is about you

01:00:12.540 know you've got the untameable uncontrollable donald trump um versus just another cipher of the blob

01:00:19.600 one of the reasons this moment is so bewildering is because it's so confusing what is going on

01:00:27.380 one of the reasons we're confused is because honest history is no longer taught in the united states

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01:02:31.940 so i do think elon buying twitter is was a pivotal event in american history and i still

01:02:38.340 don't understand why he did it why do you think he did it i i kind of think it was a a mistake in a

01:02:44.440 way he sort of said that he sort of got he it was a spur of the moment whim and then if he could have

01:02:50.120 got out of it he probably would have because it's been a terrible um burden for him and he's now the

01:02:55.720 target of um so much uh sort of lawfare and deep state interference and look california's just stopped

01:03:04.160 him from being able to set off some of his rockets i mean he's such a genius he he managed you know

01:03:09.760 nasa needed him to rescue our astronauts that should have been a huge scandal that they had two

01:03:15.140 astronauts up there just abandoned and they couldn't get them back elon's the only person who could get

01:03:20.600 them back he just had a rocket um come back to earth when that never happened before and you know

01:03:26.280 land back in the the the launcher or whatever it is but i mean he's just brilliant and so they're

01:03:33.020 trying to hobble him um he's hard to hobble but i think he's public enemy number one next to trump

01:03:40.120 i mean as long as x is open as long as you have truth telling or free speech at scale like that

01:03:47.480 it's pretty hard to turn your country totalitarian yes so can they i mean do you think the people you

01:03:56.000 know the john brennan's of the world the barack obama's the world people who do want to make it

01:04:00.020 stalinist do people like that allow x to stay open well see what they've done which is clever is that

01:04:07.720 only half the country is sort of has been red-pilled and understands what's going on and the other half of

01:04:15.780 the country which is the well-educated part of the country that lives in washington and um you know

01:04:21.360 new york and uh san francisco and places and earn lots of money and think of themselves as being

01:04:28.540 superior what what's happened is that they've been pitted against these troglodytes um of the right

01:04:35.600 you know the ultra maga the semi-fascist as joe biden called trump supporters and so joe biden did a

01:04:42.400 very good job of dividing americans against each other and there really is now just a an accepted

01:04:49.360 view of half of america as that they're fat that they're morally inferior that really we'd be better

01:04:57.960 off without them they're morally inferior a hundred percent so epstein's clients are calling other people

01:05:04.500 morally inferior exactly incredible do you know any of them any of the the people you're describing

01:05:10.900 well i live among them i mean i live in manhattan um so i mean i see them i guess i'm not great

01:05:17.840 friends with them but they they they i guess they're not our readers really they they're not

01:05:23.460 necessarily new york post so is it your sense that they have they have no idea what's actually

01:05:30.280 happening no they really didn't think joe biden had dementia before that debate well they really

01:05:36.380 thought the covid vac stopped covid yeah i i do think that these people you know they are so

01:05:43.720 ignorant and naive you see it when like martha raddatz interviewing jd vance i think she genuinely

01:05:51.200 thought to herself what's a few apartment complexes a handful of apartment complexes being taken over

01:05:56.540 by venezuelan gangs of illegal migrants big deal i mean she really that's the way they think it's not

01:06:02.780 that they're making it up it's just that they live in this bubble because they didn't really know that

01:06:08.500 there was an illegal migrant invasion going on because the new york times the washington post never

01:06:13.140 told them and it's not in bethesda should be in bethesda yeah the kind of yeah it's creeping around i

01:06:19.440 mean it's in new york it's very hard to ignore it now in new york but the clever thing they do about

01:06:24.780 that is they they conflate migrant they just call them migrants so that it looks like donald trump is

01:06:32.100 anti-immigration which he's not he's what he is he's anti-illegal immigration and when you have 10

01:06:39.600 to 15 million maybe more illegal migrants that you haven't vetted as as clinton just let the cat out of

01:06:46.700 the bag the other day come in to rape and murder and pillage and take over apartment complexes in aurora

01:06:52.620 colorado um i mean that's a huge problem and that's something that the new york times the

01:07:00.000 washington post kept from their readers so they um so so while conservatives or trump supporters

01:07:07.240 we know everything we know reality because we know the real reality via x and and sort of fringe

01:07:15.540 conservative publications like the new york post but we also know their reality because it's forced on us

01:07:22.040 we have to live in their reality um i mean maybe not in northern maine but certainly if you live in

01:07:28.680 new york or la or anywhere um chicago you know you you are aware of the the contempt um with which

01:07:37.640 these people hold uh conservatives and trump supporters and um and that but they don't they live

01:07:45.420 in their bubble they're not aware of reality like the migrant invasion they're not really probably aware

01:07:51.600 of joe biden's senility because because you know when those videos are shown endlessly on hannity for

01:07:59.660 instance of joe biden bumbling around getting lost on a stage all those things falling upstairs they

01:08:05.400 don't really see those and they were they were trained into thinking that anyone who shows those

01:08:11.580 it's it's false it's what was that fake word they had like um cheap fakes cheap fakes yeah cheap fakes

01:08:18.460 so they're so naive and so propagandized but the journalists themselves are and you see the cnn panels

01:08:26.220 now where this kentucky republican called scott jennings goes on and um kind of red pills them and

01:08:33.640 they're all just astounded that he's telling them just these basic things that that any normal are

01:08:39.800 happening in their country but they have no sense of it because they're all in newton mass or

01:08:43.780 yeah martha's vineyard or whatever and they only consume the media that propagandizes them and

01:08:49.400 keeps them in the dark so they're old and cut off i mean they're what the hippies used to accuse

01:08:53.240 their parents of being they're totally out of touch they're just living exactly living in a bubble

01:08:58.480 wealthy yeah yeah nothing affects them but so why wouldn't i mean a fair country for

01:09:04.920 martha raddatz to live in an ms-13 controlled housing project for a few years well she probably will

01:09:10.860 soon i mean that's what's gonna that's the effect of this invasion it's it every single part of

01:09:17.420 america eventually um is going to be including all over the state of maine for for the record

01:09:22.180 really filled filled with african immigrants yeah filled the cities are filled oh absolutely

01:09:26.540 and um they've been flying immediately you know falling apart displacing the people who were born there

01:09:32.240 oh yeah landlords are paid to give preference to non-citizens from africa over american citizens

01:09:39.740 right in in housing not just public housing but just any housing you know in the state of maine

01:09:46.100 yeah and that's true in in rural places around the country the countries is the worst thing that's

01:09:49.960 ever happened in the united states including the civil war and people just are kind of ignoring it

01:09:54.740 well springfield ohio that was the genius of donald trump yes they're eating the cats they're eating

01:10:00.440 the pets i mean and it became memes and and you know the fact checkers at you know times washington

01:10:06.900 post just very angry with him for telling lies and they went searching for cats that were eaten and

01:10:12.560 claimed there were none but the brilliance of that one line was it just brought the focus on

01:10:18.760 springfield illinois and other towns springfield ohio and other towns like it that have been inundated

01:10:24.560 secretly in the dead of night with plane loads of illegal migrants brought from the border like

01:10:31.220 we tracked them into westchester um we were pretty much the only media that were there at three in the

01:10:36.680 morning at westchester airport watching these plane loads of illegals arrive and get put into buses

01:10:43.020 that had their names blanked out and just driven off to the tri-state area dropped off at

01:10:48.520 you know truck stops on the new jersey turnpike and taken away by god knows who um and that was

01:10:56.280 happening that was the summer of 21 and that was happening all over the country and has been

01:11:01.120 mayorkis has orchestrated this amazing kind of infiltration of every corner of the country you

01:11:07.700 can almost see him with a map looking at like red areas and going literally facilitating the movement

01:11:14.420 of human beings um through the darien gap up through latin america in the united states

01:11:22.200 mayorkis himself doing that um so flying them in as well like from oh of course so so now they tell

01:11:29.380 you you can't say that they're illegal migrants you get fact checked to death um they are illegal

01:11:35.080 but it's just that they've been given this humanitarian parole that makes them um they can't be deported

01:11:41.940 so they're still illegal but they're in this sort of netherworld that the biden administration has

01:11:46.360 created so that they can pretend that the illegal migration invasion has sort of slowed down yep

01:11:53.880 total destruction of the country it's hard to even think about it it's so distressing it was such a nice

01:11:58.540 place so how okay so joe biden we're right in the middle of this so it's hard to get perspective

01:12:03.700 on biden um and he's kind of fallen out of the headlines because the party decided that he was no

01:12:10.060 longer useful and they replaced him but how will history understand biden do you think well i hope

01:12:17.900 um that the mythology that joe biden built for himself over 50 years is completely punctured um

01:12:24.560 he did have like several of these pet historians used to come to the white house all the time and

01:12:30.140 whisper sweet nothings in his ear and tell him he was the second coming of fdr so they were whatever

01:12:35.560 happened to there was a a kid from new kid he's my age who used to be the editor of newsweek

01:12:42.140 particularly umptuous little toady from what's his name tennessee yes he's an episcopalian i know

01:12:49.080 that i remember that because i am too awful little creepy guy yeah he's one of them but so here's a

01:12:55.940 speech writer that's exactly right and he was a journalist yeah

01:12:58.960 yeah do you think let me just just pause really quick do you think when someone like that shows

01:13:05.900 up to tell joe biden who's effectively an intellectual invalid that you know you are

01:13:11.660 pericles you're churchill like what do you think they believe that no but i mean what access they

01:13:17.640 have they're just almost giddy you see them on msnbc they're just giddy with their own self-importance

01:13:22.980 because who gets invited like eight times to the white house i think they go into his residence

01:13:29.380 and he just loves that like tell me more about myself and how consequential i don't know i've been

01:13:34.880 invited more than eight times the white house i've never kissed anybody's ass i don't i don't

01:13:39.660 understand the impulse uncontrollable no but i'm not i feel like i'm pretty moderate sensible person but i

01:13:45.400 i don't know i'm an adult man i don't want to but you don't live on any throne no that's all they

01:13:50.920 have they want they want prestige they want to be it's so low yes don't you think disgusting it's

01:13:56.560 like you've got children what do they think of you as you're telling joe biden he's impressive like

01:14:02.080 how does your family respect you if you talk like that i don't under i don't i don't get it well they

01:14:07.700 probably don't well i think that's probably right yeah sorry i interrupted yeah no it's fascinating

01:14:13.180 they they're gross those those historians but um i i think i think ultimately that there is enough

01:14:22.960 you know the republicans even though they're criticized john meacham is the john meacham that's

01:14:27.720 him yeah tiny little man um in stature and spirit yeah it's just a perfect and it's interesting i

01:14:35.480 remember i knew him sort of because i think we're born the same year in 1969 i'm pretty sure

01:14:41.660 and i remember in the 90s being at some event some party tina brown's house in new york and he was

01:14:47.320 there and he was like the editor of newsweek and i remember thinking wow that's a pretty amazing job

01:14:52.520 for a man who's not even 30 maybe maybe 30 and and then i realized over time getting to i spent more

01:14:59.200 time with him he just all he did was kiss ass that's it it was like his whole gig was just sucking

01:15:05.320 up yeah and it's it's not good to have a system where that's rewarded he would have been in his

01:15:10.760 element at tina brown party in manhattan i know i shouldn't even well i mean i was 29 myself i

01:15:16.120 yeah that's my excuse but newsweek is not what it used to be i mean i think he barely presided over

01:15:21.580 the fag end of it i don't think you know they would have put anyone in there and um it wasn't as

01:15:27.920 it seemed prestigious at the time but it wasn't really prestigious when you say he presided over

01:15:32.420 the fag end of it what do you mean just the end just the end okay just the end sorry i'm not

01:15:39.080 coming there um so so biden um we had this period like maybe a year ago when people were telling us

01:15:46.340 that biden was a true statesman probably the greatest president we ever had sharpest attack

01:15:51.440 and then in one day back in june it became clear that was all i and like this guy couldn't even

01:15:57.300 find his way back to his bedroom except when he could except when he could yeah let me ask you

01:16:04.760 about that what was that i mean do you so we went in one day from you know having to listen to

01:16:10.220 morning joe tell us how brilliant he was to morning joe admitting that he was demented was that a setup

01:16:16.700 i just think that when pelosi and schumer and whoever is behind things decided that he was a

01:16:26.280 liability joe biden because he was not popular he couldn't win the election trump was trouncing him

01:16:32.440 in the polls so and he's just repellent you know people got to know him and realize that the

01:16:38.920 mythology of joe biden is honest joe middle class joe from scranton all of that was a lie um that he's

01:16:46.660 actually an incredibly um prideful boastful like pathological liar i mean the we saw that with

01:16:56.160 the plagiarism but also just those self-aggrandizing stories he tells all the time about you know he's

01:17:01.460 there with nelson mandela like every big historic thing that happened he's in the center of it he's

01:17:07.100 very much like tim waltz in that way um so people came to see that and see how ridiculous he was and

01:17:13.200 also the worst i think was just how nasty he is and i think you know he's lost that filter in his

01:17:19.980 brain that stops him from from publicly losing his temper i'm sure at home he was losing his temper

01:17:26.520 and a lot with his you know and i think that's partly hunter's problem but um we saw that on stage

01:17:33.340 and you know when he's wagging his finger and and snarling about ultra maga i think that's not very

01:17:41.840 american americans seem to me to be very cordial um generous spirited people and i think that who have

01:17:48.900 affection for each other who have affection for each other yeah very much so and i think that

01:17:55.200 congeniality to me is one of the striking aspects of america that's quite different from uh other

01:18:01.220 english-speaking countries i've been in so um and so so he biden is sort of the opposite of that he

01:18:09.920 really is although he's picked pitched as sort of mr america i think he's very un-american in a lot

01:18:16.960 of ways and he um is very admiring of people like antony blinken europhiles he's not like that he's

01:18:24.760 not well educated but he really admires those state department types who um you know are patrician and

01:18:31.420 um went to finishing school in switzerland and he does and went to school and yeah antony blinken

01:18:37.320 well antony blinken went to school in paris as we know right but he finds that impressive

01:18:41.800 oh yes very much insecure son of a car dealer yeah so easily won by dumb affectations like i mean

01:18:49.760 blinken's like a and look at the way he dresses who joe biden he remember kitty kelly did this

01:18:56.200 incredibly insightful interview with um the young senator just after he came to washington just

01:19:02.560 after his wife um and um and baby daughter were killed in a car crash that hunter was in

01:19:08.480 and was injured in um and joe biden's there in his office and she described him as dressing like

01:19:14.740 the great gatsby like very elaborate very expensive clothes and boasting about his

01:19:22.580 like sex life with his ex-wife with his sorry his dead wife um saying you know all the guys were

01:19:29.780 jealous of me because we had the best sex and um and then saying oh he said that out loud yeah

01:19:36.080 oh you you have to read this kitty kelly piece it's so illuminating i i quoted huge chunks of it in

01:19:42.500 laptop from hell it's brilliant and um and then he talks about all these women are throwing themselves

01:19:47.980 at him and then he does this other boast because he grew up just admiring the kennedys catholics like

01:19:53.760 him democrats and he just he tried to recreate the kennedy compound he used to go to nantucket rather

01:20:01.480 martha's vineyard um if you look at his political career he's really modeled it very much on the

01:20:07.880 kennedy clan and he wanted to have a you know the kennedy kind of dynasty so his son beau was supposed to

01:20:16.040 be the next generation and sadly he died of brain cancer but um joe biden i think just in that interview

01:20:24.840 shows who he really is and it's quite a disgusting portrayal of himself and he he talks about the

01:20:31.900 kennedys and he says rose kennedy's calling me all the time inviting me for dinner but i'm too busy

01:20:37.280 that's just unbelievable so it sounds like i mean you really spent a long time

01:20:44.100 learning about reading about doing interviews about joe biden how does your view of him change

01:20:50.680 the more you learned well i mean initially um i used to like him because i thought gosh he's a

01:20:56.520 moderate democrat yeah he's a democrat that i could live with like he's great um and i i went full

01:21:03.280 circle i find him uh deeply dishonest deeply flawed um i think he was a terrible father you do yeah how

01:21:12.860 well you see the product yes right well fair um and both his children um hunter and ashley have

01:21:20.460 proven like the admitted drug problems um and i think hunter was a motherless boy his mother had

01:21:29.880 been killed and joe biden had just got this huge job in washington the opportunity of his lifetime he

01:21:35.900 wasn't going to give that up to stay home with his two motherless boys so he went he said oh you know

01:21:41.300 i was going to but then people talked me out of it and so he goes to dc um he gets immediately

01:21:47.640 adopted by all these grand pooh bars of the party because their wives were telling them

01:21:53.680 oh this poor everyone the whole of america their heartstrings were tugged by this tragedy of this

01:21:59.360 young widow i mean it was a terrible tragedy but joe biden exploited it in the most cynical fashion

01:22:06.000 um just that photograph which when i first saw i was like everyone else like i just felt desperately sad

01:22:12.360 for these two little bandaged boys in the hospital bed in the foreground of the photographs um where

01:22:19.260 joe biden's being sworn in as senator by their bedside just after his wife's been killed and you

01:22:25.700 think to yourself wow but then when you see other photographs pulled back and you see that hospital

01:22:30.340 room is full of just dozens and dozens of photographers and reporters and everything and

01:22:36.480 the kids look quite distressed as they would be and why did he do it there why didn't he get sworn in

01:22:43.180 in the corridor outside you know or somewhere else he did it because he knew the power of that image and

01:22:49.460 it was brilliant and he used it in every campaign since but it's cynical and to be able to have the

01:22:56.120 presence of mind to do that tells you a little bit about how ruthless he is and how fixated on power

01:23:02.940 he is and i think that was um you know i think that was the experience for hunter and you see that in a

01:23:10.540 lot of the private um you know which i read but i didn't publish a lot of it but the the musings um

01:23:17.420 he's quite a good writer he's highly intelligent i think more intelligent than his father at least he's

01:23:21.900 not i think joe biden's probably illiterate i mean you from the little bit of writing that he's done

01:23:27.200 on the laptop he doesn't spell he's he's got that trademark spelling problems that um you know boys

01:23:33.940 who never learn to read have and so i think joe's probably cleverer than we think but he just is

01:23:39.900 illiterate like he can't read very well come on really yeah i think that's why he has such a problem

01:23:47.860 with like the worst thing you could do to joe biden is put him in front of a teleprompter and i think

01:23:54.340 yes i mean cognitively he slipped but also i don't think he like you notice when he comes across

01:24:00.180 words that are long or complicated or like people's surnames that you can't guess he's he just can't do

01:24:07.860 them so and you know i mean i've done a lot of stories about um phonics you know the failure of

01:24:17.180 kids to be taught prop especially boys especially clever boys who um they have dyslexia or something

01:24:24.140 it's really that a third of boys will never learn to read um by that look and say that guessing way

01:24:30.440 they have to be taught to sound things out by phonics and i think when joe biden was being taught

01:24:35.900 by the nuns they just didn't teach him that way so a lot of boys of his era slipped under the cracks and

01:24:42.840 so and i think he was clever enough to be able to get by by memory and cunning um he he's renowned

01:24:50.500 as not really reading his briefs you know he he can be he can be told something and remember it

01:24:56.840 but you look at him in in those senate hearings he just fly by the he just talks nonsense in in the

01:25:03.500 text and emails on hunter's laptop how does he come across um how does he come across there's not a lot

01:25:10.840 of him it's just a shadow of him he he cares about hunter but he cares about him he's he's absent until

01:25:19.360 he's about to announce that he's running for president then he really cares about hunter like

01:25:23.920 where are you um got to get your drugs under control sort of thing and dispatched his brother

01:25:30.560 to go and put hunter in rehab and the reason hunter was so angry in april of 2019 when he abandoned

01:25:36.840 his laptop was because he felt that his family joe although he doesn't say it to joe um threw him

01:25:45.020 under the bus and he blames joe's staff but it was really joe because there was a maureen dowd column

01:25:51.780 that hunter was particularly enraged about um which was basically saying that joe biden's running for

01:25:58.180 president but the big albatross around his neck is his loser son hunter who's a drug addict and hunter

01:26:04.520 was furious and that's where all those texts and emails come out that he says you know i've supported

01:26:09.560 this family for years i've given half my salary to dad you know how dare you all treat me with such

01:26:17.380 disrespect he was absolutely furious and his relationship with his father is so complicated

01:26:25.040 because he adores him as his only parent um after his mother was killed but he also is like he's just

01:26:36.640 his hostage because there is no mother no somebody who loves you more than um than he loved that they

01:26:44.220 love joe that loves the child and so he was sort of a victim of joe biden's um selfishness and whims

01:26:52.900 and the entire biden family so joe's sister val moved in to take care of the boys after

01:26:59.540 joe left joe said he was commuting every night from um from washington on amtrak but

01:27:05.700 i'm told that's not really true that um when he did come home that the boys were already in bed so

01:27:12.160 maybe he had breakfast with them the next morning but he wasn't a present dad but val was fantastic his

01:27:17.500 sister um really sacrificed her first marriage um to look after those boys and um hunter regards her

01:27:24.640 as his real mother um and then jill biden comes into the picture a few years later and she's sort

01:27:31.680 of the mean stepmother that um that hunter doesn't get on with beau got on with her because beau was

01:27:37.820 the perfect child golden head boy but hunter was like a little bit adhd a little bit rebellious

01:27:44.000 a bit naughty and used to get in trouble and i think that didn't work with jill and so he and

01:27:49.720 jill had a difficult relationship um and so you know i i think hunter loved his father but also

01:27:58.000 deeply resented him and resented the fact that joe put beau the older brother by one year and one day

01:28:06.220 on a pedestal and saw beau as being you know the the inheritor of the biden dynasty political

01:28:13.800 dynasty and hunter was sort of the spare that was supposed to go out and earn the money that

01:28:21.180 would allow joe and beau to be clean politically so hunter wanted to be an artist or a novelist and

01:28:28.680 he's quite a good artist and quite a good writer um but he wasn't allowed to he had to go and work

01:28:35.480 for his father's um you know donors in delaware and this really boring job at this credit card company

01:28:41.480 mbna for a hugely inflated salary that allowed him to pay off his um yale law school and georgetown

01:28:50.180 university fees but also beau's university tuition so that joe he paid off his brother's student loans

01:28:56.660 yeah so joe never had to put his hand in his pocket for anything and that's where people miss the point

01:29:03.540 of how joe benefited that's amazing hunter biden paid beau's college tuition he complains about it

01:29:12.280 to his aunt val he said dad didn't pay a penny that's amazing yeah so he has every right to be

01:29:22.960 resentful about that i think i think so yeah so it's the youngest sons the workhorse paying for

01:29:29.100 the pretty lavish um lifestyles and political careers of his older brother and dad exactly

01:29:36.280 and joe knew that and he knew that hunter had a at least a substance abuse problem that was evident

01:29:44.540 i mean he was arrested at 18 for cocaine right and let off um so he had this problem joe knew about it

01:29:51.540 and yet joe allowed him to uh take you know millions of dollars in unaccountable cash which

01:29:58.820 was to a drug addict just an impossible temptation hunter actually says that in his um memoir he says

01:30:06.600 that the barisma money when it was coming in eighty three thousand dollars a month that just sent him

01:30:10.960 into a complete spin fell off the wagon and um what kind of a loving father does that to his addicted son

01:30:17.840 it my read on it is that joe does love his son but in a kind of narcissistic yes infantile way

01:30:26.680 exactly narcissistic way where it's all about the reflected glory of his son but not really about the

01:30:32.360 son yeah and that's hard if you're a sensitive person well it's awful it's absolutely awful and

01:30:39.280 hunter was a legit drug addict yeah you know tormented by the desire to be high all the time yeah

01:30:45.260 and so what role does jill dr pardon me dr jill play in all this well she seemed actually in one

01:30:55.180 way i thought she was a bad wife like unlike nancy reagan who was always at her husband's side to make

01:31:02.080 sure that he didn't get humiliated i couldn't understand why jill biden wasn't there with joe when

01:31:08.980 he was getting lost on stage and just looking like a fool on camera she should have been more present but

01:31:14.020 she wasn't in a lot of ways because she was out on the campaign trail herself she was taking air force

01:31:20.260 one to paris and um you know just doing her own campaigning uh supposedly campaigning but she loved

01:31:28.620 it i think she loves the glory she's got this um factotum working for her um anthony can't remember

01:31:35.560 his name he's a sort of gay one of those sort of men that attaches themselves to he's sort of

01:31:43.920 gay or pretty gay i think he's pretty gay yeah and he's but he's he's joe's everything she calls

01:31:51.100 him her work husband and she he's made himself invaluable to her sounds totally healthy and normal

01:31:57.160 yeah your wife takes off for paris and therefore some of some gay dude while you're stumbling around

01:32:02.460 lost on stage well at least you know she's not having an affair with him no no of course right

01:32:07.440 every palace has eunuchs yeah but i think he's very powerful behind the scenes yeah and he was

01:32:13.440 involved at the very end um when joe was trying to cling on to power he and hunter were there in the

01:32:19.700 inner sanctum so and i think maybe he's part of the reason why joe is so like such an lgbt champion

01:32:28.720 you know um partly to sort of curry favor with his wife's favorite person sounds like the sickest

01:32:37.100 environment imaginable like there's no healthy relationships there's no honesty there's no peace

01:32:43.700 i mean that that's what you're describing yeah seems terribly unhealthy terribly dysfunctional family

01:32:49.280 which is ironic because joe's always created this mythology that so many people have bought

01:32:54.960 that they have got the closest family in the world that he's the best father in the world

01:33:01.000 um and it's just this tragic you know circumstance that hunter has a dna predisposition to be a drug

01:33:09.600 addict nothing to do with his upbringing and yet donald trump is treated like a complete monster and

01:33:15.420 all the everything i've observed about his interactions with his adult children is positive

01:33:20.660 and his grandchildren like they adore him in a genuine way not in a fearful um fake way they

01:33:29.500 really have a good relationship and i don't think people see that as much i think the campaign's trying

01:33:34.240 to show a few videos of the grandkids but um it just seems very natural to me his interaction with his

01:33:40.320 family did you in all of your reporting on biden detect core beliefs no other than power for himself

01:33:49.960 self self-aggrandizement power no no core beliefs he he was adopted early on by the people who gave him

01:33:58.680 his core beliefs and that was that he was basically a warmonger i mean he was into um you know enlarging

01:34:07.920 nato in being pugilistic about um yugoslavia um he wanted to bomb yugoslavia he and we did i'm really

01:34:16.960 glad we did it was i think very important to kill all those people in yugoslavia any idea why we did

01:34:21.340 that 30 years later does anyone even remember that no idea i bought the lies actually at the time

01:34:28.480 i never understood what they were i was so confused by that something about

01:34:32.500 slobodan milosevic being bad i remember george w bush was going on about slobodan milosevic always

01:34:37.260 mispronouncing his name but i remember thinking i'm sure he's bad you know foreign or whatever but

01:34:43.060 why was he bad and why should i care no one ever explained what was that do we know no i don't know

01:34:49.300 i bought the same lies that everyone else did back then i believed that he was a ton of christians

01:34:54.500 over there yeah yeah no it's been a dreadful disaster i mean it still is for that part of

01:35:01.180 the world and joe biden just wanted to bomb them like he was so he was way out there and he'd go on

01:35:07.840 nbc and so on and say just bomb them all that was what he was like and i don't think it was i mean he

01:35:13.640 was just taking his marching orders and or not his marching orders his agenda and then he just like

01:35:19.180 with everything goes too far um but you know he's been at the center of a lot of bad policy uh foreign

01:35:27.120 policy for america um from the beginning and from for a guy that's not very as is ignorant really about

01:35:35.060 the world um he's now put up as some sort of foreign policy guru back in 2000 i think it was

01:35:43.560 um he was instrumental in getting the world trade organization to accept china which was detrimental

01:35:49.980 to america hollowed out america's uh manufacturing and middle class um and that was something during the

01:35:56.280 clinton administration that bill clinton didn't want um republicans wanted it but the democrats um

01:36:03.600 joe biden had to twist the arms of his democrat colleagues in the senate to get it over the line

01:36:08.820 just and convince um bill clinton so but it was bush who signed it eventually 2000 yeah but that was

01:36:17.460 done in the clinton years and the and it was the the the democrat senators that were instrumental in

01:36:25.160 having if they had stuck to their guns that would never have been signed and china would never have

01:36:30.460 been and biden whipped that he led the support for it yeah i never realized until i looked back at it

01:36:35.420 and i thought wow interesting so and because i don't think my thesis is he doesn't have any core beliefs

01:36:42.060 then that must have been his sort of marching orders i don't know if you call it marching orders but

01:36:48.240 the suggestions that the people who who he owed his career to um gave to him was we want china in the

01:36:55.300 wto so he just goes about making it happen in he was very persuasive i mean he was very powerful in

01:37:00.960 the senate for many years which is a terrible indictment of the senate yeah i mean he's uh there are a lot of

01:37:09.480 people like that still in the senate you know a lot well he was best friends with mitch mcconnell well i don't

01:37:14.580 think his his politics and mitch mcconnell's are identical i mean mitch mcconnell will be and i

01:37:18.760 think mitch mcconnell's slightly creepier even than biden in person but is that possible i think mitch

01:37:24.340 mcconnell's pretty darn creepy yeah and even weirder personal life yeah yeah though he looks like a

01:37:29.320 snapping turtle not his fault um i always liked him he he gave beautiful speeches oh he's very smart

01:37:35.920 yeah mcconnell's legitimately smart oh there's no doubt about it and he's been great on a bunch of

01:37:41.000 topics but he's voting for kamal harris there's no doubt in my mind yeah um that's interesting that

01:37:47.340 he was close to mcconnell huh so you didn't really see any redeeming qualities to biden's career

01:37:52.800 none no i think if he'd never exist well they would have found someone else that's the problem

01:37:59.120 um i think he was the perfect cipher because he came in so young to the senate um you know he's 29 when

01:38:06.200 he accidentally won against an old-time republican in delaware um um in fact a guy called his name

01:38:14.720 was caleb j boggs and the irony is that when hunter biden went um and was convicted in that gun trial

01:38:22.440 gun felony trial in june in delaware he it was done in the caleb j boggs courthouse amazing yeah so boggs

01:38:32.600 was a huge uh you know he was a huge uh influence in delaware so it was really a david versus goliath

01:38:39.840 um operation that joe biden just fluked by a few thousand votes and the story that's told um is that

01:38:48.380 he did it because the teamsters union um staged a strike of the trucks that were taking the newspaper

01:38:54.720 out with the with boggs the final weekend boggs had this huge double page ad um slamming joe for some

01:39:01.580 sort of corrupt dealings and um and that was going to damage joe maybe would have swung the election

01:39:07.000 but the teamsters successfully stopped those trucks with those newspapers going out it's equivalent of

01:39:13.120 the 2020 just thinking the exact same thing right so that's the 1972 version of taking the laptop story

01:39:20.760 off social media exactly he's an expert at it amazing isn't it so do you ever fear

01:39:28.020 you know when you and i are gone and uh our generation is gone that our great-grandchildren

01:39:35.260 will be reading stories about what a hero joe biden is in their history books um they probably

01:39:42.140 will because especially i think part of the quid pro quo for him going quietly for camilla was

01:39:47.640 that he gets a presidential library and you can imagine the sick of fancy that's going to go on in

01:39:53.300 that library about what a great man he is so i think that but i think there's enough on the public

01:39:59.080 record particularly james comer um who gets trashed a lot because he didn't do enough they say in the

01:40:05.400 impeachment inquiry but he actually managed to put on the record a lot of evidence to show that joe biden

01:40:12.280 was involved in the family's influence peddling scheme that this is where the money went um that there

01:40:18.280 were two two hundred fifty thousand dollar checks ten percent of a couple of deals that jim biden and

01:40:24.200 hunter were involved in that went to joe biden that were were the check memo says it was a loan

01:40:31.120 repayment and that's what joe biden maintains and james comer was never able to prove otherwise

01:40:37.140 so we have to give joe biden the benefit of the doubt there however it is part of a pattern of

01:40:44.720 money the money trail and how it gets to the biden family ten percent for the big guy you know that

01:40:51.200 deal never happened but i think it probably reflected the way um hunter's uh sort of businesses

01:40:58.300 worked that joe would get something joe hunter was certainly paying for some of joe's maintenance and

01:41:03.480 upkeep on his delaware estate um and joe lives and the state is not too strong it was a former

01:41:09.320 du pont house enormous house that hunter grew up in yes with the ballroom yeah and then uh i know

01:41:16.440 from having friends and relatives in that town greenville delaware that he never paid any of the

01:41:21.820 workmen no you know stiff the firewood guy and the landscaper and the caterer and you know they're

01:41:27.580 always after him for money really screwed the little guy consistently was famous in the neighborhood

01:41:31.820 for doing that it's incredible isn't it it is what is incredible it's very low the lowest but how did

01:41:37.420 he i always wondered how did he afford to live in a 12 000 square foot house on a senate salary well he

01:41:43.560 will tell you he was just lucky with real estate and so all the way through even became

01:41:47.780 he's just the donors you know like he they buy his houses and for an inflated cost and he'd buy

01:41:58.780 houses for lower cost same with hunter hunter bought places same thing and um just there was just a

01:42:06.380 magic carpet ride for him whatever transaction that he entered into he was looked after and so the house

01:42:13.140 he has now he built from scratch custom built beautiful tradesmen from philadelphia that built the

01:42:19.460 best mansions and it's you remember when during the 2020 election he was always mocked for being in his

01:42:26.260 basement well and you saw the basement a little bit that basement is the most magnificent hand uh custom

01:42:33.760 built wood paneled mahogany um grand study library with books everywhere um pieces of historic furniture that

01:42:44.400 he's um bought from the white house um you know he's he's you could hear the honking geese outside in the

01:42:51.760 lake because it's a lakefront property he used to call it the lake house but i think people teased him about it

01:42:56.920 because it's a very small man-made pond really so now he he doesn't call it a lake anymore he goes oh

01:43:02.500 no it's not a lake it's just a pond um but gorgeous house and it's got a swimming pool and a boat jetty

01:43:08.840 and a cottage for the you know the secret service to stay in it's all what a poser what a hollow man

01:43:17.320 absolutely and with massive social anxiety that's the pathetic thing actually yes it's quite it's

01:43:25.300 almost sad but i mean he's done so much damage to so many people i can't feel sorry for him i i i love

01:43:32.280 how resolute you are in your opinions of joe biden since you're one of the only people in america who

01:43:37.260 has the right to those opinions because you you know more than anybody about biden well hunter probably

01:43:41.360 has more but you know being a son you sort of brainwashed from a very early age it's hard yeah

01:43:46.840 and a child with one parent of course clings desperately to that parent no matter what the

01:43:51.320 parent's like yes that's just the way it is yes um what happens to hunter oh he'll get pardoned

01:43:58.320 okay so he's been convicted on gun felonies in delaware and also he pleaded guilty on the first day

01:44:06.580 of the trial in california in september to um these various tax felonies all of which well certainly

01:44:13.400 the tax felonies should carry a jail sentence um but uh he used to be sentenced on both of those

01:44:21.000 after the election and even though joe biden has said oh no i will never pardon my son he said that

01:44:26.400 once and he didn't really say it very vigorously he was just asked in a um i think a cbs interview and

01:44:33.060 he just he's like will you pardon your son he goes no and that was it after that the white house

01:44:38.000 has been vigorous said oh no he the president said he won't do it he won't do it have no doubt that

01:44:42.960 he's going to pardon hunter um you know as anybody would i mean really if it was your son would you

01:44:49.440 want him to go to jail so i'd pardon my son in a second of course everybody would and and and

01:44:56.480 therefore joe biden will get away with it like everyone will say the media will say oh you know

01:45:00.800 it's a it's his only surviving son how can you blame him if anyone criticizes it they'll be

01:45:06.980 called cruel and heartless so of course so joe biden's gonna get away with i mean probably not

01:45:14.500 for eternity will he get away with it but for the here and now he's getting away with it yeah but i

01:45:19.440 think his reputation has been damaged and now people know uh well the evidence is there for people to know

01:45:26.000 the truth about joe biden and any honest historian is going to include um the fact that he really sold

01:45:33.180 out the country and you you can look at his presidency and his attitude towards china and how

01:45:39.480 he unwound a lot of the trump era get tough on china policies um some of them inexplicable like for

01:45:47.740 instance even christopher ray the c i the fbi director has complained bitterly about um the fact

01:45:54.160 that biden dismantled this very good program in the universities that was supposed to stop uh china

01:46:00.280 stealing american intellectual property spying on on our academic institutions yeah and the research

01:46:07.560 universities yeah yeah and i mean there have been academics that have gone to jail through this

01:46:12.500 program and been busted um and chinese spirings have been busted and for some unknown reason there was

01:46:18.980 nothing positive for america about dismantling it joe biden quietly dismantled it it's bizarre

01:46:26.000 well the only way and it was defensive not offensive we were trying to protect ourselves from the theft

01:46:31.740 of research and i've asked why what possible justification is that and they said oh it was racist

01:46:37.380 because it was targeting chinese really yeah it's racist yeah just like calling the wuhan virus saying

01:46:47.120 it came from china was racist it wasn't but that's what they tagged donald trump with

01:46:52.440 just to without getting again too sidetracked but really quickly it seems like that virus was created

01:47:00.140 in the wuhan lab in part with u.s tax dollars oh yes i mean i think i don't know that it was

01:47:05.700 deliberately released at all i think that was an accident but 100 um eco health alliance um run by this

01:47:13.580 absolutely repellent man englishman called peter dasik um he uh ran this weird little company that

01:47:21.160 has an office in manhattan um but really does no research of its own but it gets these massive grants

01:47:26.900 from darpa which is um basically an arm of the department of defense um and that's what it lived on

01:47:34.920 and and and and what he did um eco health alliance with the help of anthony fauci was bypass the obama

01:47:43.480 era moratorium on gain of function that frankenstein research on viruses and um he funneled basically

01:47:52.080 this darpa money uh u.s taxpayer money through to the wuhan institute of health where he co-authored some

01:47:59.360 papers even though he's an idiot but he co-authored papers with the bat lady there

01:48:04.260 the scientist and um you know all these fantastic whistleblowers who've come out on from the

01:48:10.800 scientific community have pinpointed that um the work that they did on the viruses where they

01:48:17.480 humanized used humanized mice to make the virus more lethal to humans um that was all occurring in

01:48:24.980 that lab and it was a very low um security bio lab unlike if that kind of research is done in america

01:48:34.060 it would have been done at a higher level even though there's still the risk of leakage but in

01:48:38.520 that wuhan lab of course it was going to leak and so it was just a disaster waiting to happen and it

01:48:44.260 was done because anthony fauci was so antagonistic to the group of scientists who were sounding the

01:48:52.880 alarm about gain of function research anthony fauci loves gain of function research he thought that was

01:48:58.260 going to make him immortal that they were going to find the vaccine for viruses right and um so and he

01:49:05.400 you know there are photographs of him with dasik there are emails that have been uncovered of him with

01:49:10.160 dasik they you know they were it was obviously a subservient relationship on dasik's part he worshipped

01:49:15.920 fauci but fauci was friendly with him and fauci says he doesn't know anything about these

01:49:21.680 darpa um grants but someone who worked who's who's used to work with fat with um dasik at ecohealth

01:49:30.440 alliance and left sort of under a cloud he's become a form of a whistleblower i don't i've talked to him

01:49:36.420 a little bit i'm not 100 percent um certain of how valid he is but this is what he says he says that

01:49:42.500 the cia um approached peter dasik um about sort of helping them because he was so embedded with the

01:49:50.760 chinese and the wuhan lab apparently was some sort of military um research was going on there so you

01:49:57.780 could understand the cia wants to have some sort of eyes and ears and dasik would have been useful

01:50:03.440 and dasik uh so while this whistleblower didn't personally see the cia approach dasik

01:50:09.100 asked him about it a couple of times and um and he and the whistleblower believes that dasik did

01:50:15.100 end up working sort of as an informant for the cia amazing um and i'm sure we'll never know

01:50:24.260 you know the truth about a lot of what you just said but what we do know i think conclusively is

01:50:29.600 that it came from that lab it was loosed on the world and as the biden administration never

01:50:33.440 ceased telling us millions died yeah so whether it was intentional or i would think

01:50:38.980 i agree with you probably more likely it was an accidental other way it happened because of

01:50:42.460 something that china did how come the biden administration has never pushed china to pay

01:50:47.040 reparations to the united states or any other country for what that virus did well i can only

01:50:52.520 assume it's because they know that they are complicit and that as long as they don't push china too hard

01:50:59.700 president xi is not going to say well hey you know it was your pentagon money that that paid for this

01:51:06.580 research and it was your peter dasik friend of anthony fauci who encouraged the bat lady to do that

01:51:12.800 particular research so um i think it's mutually assured destruction like they both just don't say

01:51:19.180 anything and it goes away and i'm sure that's in part why donald trump's uh administration didn't

01:51:26.500 really push that hard and because it's the same people in charge at the cia and the state department

01:51:32.540 and the pentagon who know that they didn't deliberately do this but it was their um

01:51:38.500 you know incompetence sloppiness whatever um recklessness that unleashed this virus on the

01:51:46.700 world and america doesn't want to have its fingerprints on it and i think the fingerprints

01:51:50.820 are there we've seen enough already has um you know in congress there have been some good

01:51:58.260 politicians who've uh pushed on this and there's been enough foi material that's come out to show

01:52:06.060 that there was certainly eco health was being funded so you don't it doesn't take much to follow

01:52:10.820 the trail plus peter dasik is so protected i mean where he lives sort of in the woods um just uh outside

01:52:19.320 of new york um any any reporters who go there immediately the cops are there like they're they're

01:52:25.580 protecting him he's been um really i wish i had how do i get that yeah no you won't get that oh

01:52:32.840 yeah i've noticed you're the enemy so okay since you have my last question but since you've got such

01:52:38.380 an amazing recall a remarkable memory for details and people i've really known very few people with

01:52:45.260 recall like yours um i just one more thread i'd like to sort of tie into a bow and that's the

01:52:51.820 whistleblowers who did business with hunter biden what happened to them so that would be

01:52:57.420 tony bobolinski and devon archer yeah i i mean they're really the heroes of this story um tony

01:53:06.240 bobolinski was working with hunter on the last the big china deal that ended up falling over uh hunter and

01:53:14.980 his uncle jim biden uh got i think about 20 million dollars out of that deal after they

01:53:20.500 sort of shafted uh bobolinski and their other partners um basically for doing nothing but um

01:53:27.540 bobolinski is sort of a self-made man and so he's quite um protected like he has his own money he

01:53:33.500 doesn't owe anything to anybody um he's a former uh you know naval nuclear rocket instructor

01:53:41.320 nuclear submarine instructor um he's a pretty tough guy and he knows a lot of uh tough guys who

01:53:47.100 protect him so i think he's been okay devon archer on the other hand he um he's a lovely man and i've

01:53:55.240 got to know both of them and i call them friends now they've become friends they have this beautiful

01:53:59.380 bromance they never knew each other before and now they're just rock solid friends because they've

01:54:04.600 suffered both of them at the hands of the bidens um devon more so because he was um hunter's best

01:54:12.020 friend they met at yale uh hunter called him my best friend in business um they went into business

01:54:17.060 together um devon did all the work um and hunter was sort of brought in as the sort of the biden name

01:54:25.280 um in the end they did a deal that went sour um and the southern district of new york charged

01:54:33.040 devon with fraud over that deal hunter was deemed not to have been involved even though hunter was

01:54:40.280 i think vice chairman of the company um he'd earned two hundred thousand dollars devon had lost millions

01:54:46.100 of dollars um devon was the one who ended up uh basically uh going to trial um he was um convicted

01:54:55.960 and then acquitted or is the the conviction was overturned by the judge who found that he was

01:55:02.260 honest and found that he'd been unjustly treated and then that was overturned so so he's been going

01:55:08.560 through i think about eight years of sheer hell where he hasn't been able to earn money um he has a

01:55:14.820 close family so that's supported him he's remained remarkably optimistic um but he's facing jail i mean

01:55:21.680 he could go to jail um like i think for a year and one day and that's while hunter biden has escaped

01:55:28.380 scot-free um with everything that hunter's done there's always been this invisible hand that's

01:55:34.740 reached out and and rescued him from peril while all around him all his business partners went broke

01:55:41.940 went to jail died disappeared hunter just is like the character in a you know a disaster movie where all

01:55:49.680 the cards blow up and this one man runs through the flames and you know he's like that he's the road

01:55:56.520 runner of uh you do get the sense he's not going to escape though i mean he must be in rough shape i

01:56:01.420 haven't seen him in a while long while but he must be in rough shape you can't put yourself through

01:56:06.660 that kind of life without destroying a lot of your brain yeah i would say i guess i mean look i wish

01:56:14.160 nothing but the best for him i've actually come to uh i never met him i would have loved to interview

01:56:19.600 i still would love to interview him but um i i know people around him i mean all the people around him

01:56:25.460 were fantastic people like his friends i've met quite a few of his friends um you know kevin

01:56:30.420 morris the the everyone hates kevin morris but he's not a bad guy either the the hollywood lawyer

01:56:35.000 that his sugar brother who's funded like his lifestyle and paid all his irs debts you know all

01:56:39.840 these people they have a good heart because they get sucked in by hunter because hunter does have that

01:56:45.820 tragic quality um women especially rally around him and want to mother him and protect him

01:56:51.920 and forgive him all sorts of atrocities um and i think men it's the same thing they everyone you

01:56:58.120 talk to say he's just good hunter is so charming and lovable and not stupid no smart sad so you count

01:57:08.820 him a victim of his father's oh yes 100 i mean he's a victimizer as well as all victims like that are but

01:57:15.000 um i mean he's victimized her you know i sat in the courtroom in delaware and watched um his two

01:57:20.980 exes a hallie biden who was his brother beau's widow that he took up with had a torrid affair with and

01:57:28.180 put her on to crack um and uh she's she's you know pretty broken his ex-wife kathleen who

01:57:36.140 i never met her i mean i saw her in court she looked like a broken woman really very different from

01:57:41.940 the kathleen that was in all the photographs she she came across in the laptop in all the

01:57:47.840 writings as a kind of naive very loving like she adored hunter absolutely adored him forgave so much

01:57:55.960 and then the bitterness that crept in i mean it was nothing like art what i would be like she was

01:58:01.000 still quite kind towards him um you know he did terrible things her he betrayed her in the worst way

01:58:07.640 but she and it damaged her inside but um but she maintained a sort of a civil relationship with him

01:58:15.000 i guess for the sake of their daughters and she's a good mother um so he he had a knack for finding

01:58:21.460 these great women that looked after him forgave him and all destroyed in the end yeah all destroyed

01:58:29.060 although hallie's remarried so i think she's a survivor um she's remarried a rich guy in uh ohio

01:58:35.340 apparently so she was she was looking quite happy had a huge rock on her hand so i think she'll be

01:58:41.660 okay i just want at least one person to come out happy randa devine congrats on the book thank you

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The Tucker Carlson Show - October 17, 2024

Miranda Devine： All of the Biden Family Crimes, Hunter’s Future, and How History Will Remember Them

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