Neil Oliver： How Banks Took Over Empires, and the Truth About WWII, Brexit, & COVID
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In this episode of The Tucker Carlson Show, host Tucker Carlson sits down with journalist Alex Blumberg to discuss what it's like being part of the establishment, the media, and what it means to be part of a political establishment. They discuss Alex's journey of questioning the institutions and beliefs he grew up with, and how he got to where he is today. Tucker and Alex talk about Alex's new book, The Dark Side of the Establishment, and Alex's experience of being a member of the British establishment and how that affected his life and how it shaped the way he views the world. Tucker also discusses why it s important to have a healthy dose of conspiracy theories in your life, and why you should be careful about what you believe in and what you think about them. Tucker is a regular contributor to the New York Times, BBC, BBC Scotland, and the BBC Worldwide. He is also the host of the radio show "The Tucker Show" on BBC Radio 4 and hosts the podcast, "Tucker Carlson's New Year's Eve Spectacular" on the BBC Radio Four and BBC Radio 5 Live, and is a frequent contributor to The Huffington Post and the New Statesman. He's also the author of the book, "The Dark Side Of The Establishment" and has been featured in the New Yorker, The New Republic, The Spectator, and The New York Sun, and many other publications, including The Daily Telegraph, The Daily Mail, The Independent, The Economist, The Guardian, The Telegraph and The Telegraph, and New Scientist, among other publications. He is the author and host of The New Stateside, and he's a regular on the show, The Thick & Thick & Thin, among many other media outlets. He also writes for The Daily Beast, and has a blog, and hosts a podcast, and travels the world, which you can find him on social media, including his own website, The Realist. . He's on the internet, he is a fellow of the Royal Society of London. , and he has a book out in The Independent and The Economist and The Spectacular, and you can catch up with him on his podcast on his social media account on his website, and he also on the road on The Real Reel, and his podcast is on the podcast is on Insta- The Real Thing . and on his blog is on the podcast on the Real Thing on Podcast.
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I find it really strange that people aren't able to make the distinction between regimes and populations.
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But why would that automatically make you say that you hate Russians?
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Why do you have to be at war with an entire population just because you don't like the regime?
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But moreover, I can like or dislike anyone I want because I'm an adult man and I'm not a slave.
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Like, you can't tell me who I have to like and dislike.
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Last night we were talking at dinner and you expressed some views and I thought to myself,
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Well, I think if you're not a conspiracy theorist by now, you're not paying attention.
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Well, there was probably a time when it would have done, but I've gone through this process in the last four years of realising that I spent the first 50 some years of my life believing and trusting a certain worldview.
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That with COVID and everything thereafter, all of that fell apart.
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The whole thing just fell away into, and once you lose all of the things that you had taken for granted and trusted, then I suppose almost by definition you're in territory that others who aren't on the same path as you would call conspiracy theorists.
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But it's really just, you think, well, if I think now that they were lying to me about that and that and that, were they telling me the truth about anything at all?
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And you're aware that some of it must be true, but it's early yet.
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You know, the scales have only fallen from my eyes.
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My naive trust that I placed in the establishment and in the institutions that I placed in them without really thinking about it terribly much.
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Well, I worked for BBC in as much as I was doing contract work for BBC.
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So, but I was never directly employed by the British Broadcasting Corporation.
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I was, you know, I'd be brought in to do a project and I would be, a production company would pitch a project.
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I would be the presenter that was associated with that project and I would be paid by the day for the duration of the project.
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I'm just saying that people watched you on BBC.
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I wrote a column for the Sunday Times in Scotland.
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I was the, I had been for a while, the president of the National Trust for Scotland.
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I was, I was at one stage, I was a fellow of the, of the Royal Society of Edinburgh.
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So I was, I was certainly associated with and part of the, the, the infrastructure of the establishment.
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I quite, I hold my hands up and say I did it with, in a naive way without really interrogating the integrity of those institutions.
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I just, I just trusted, I just trusted that, well, I've never been, I've always been a political atheist.
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Struggling to vote in general elections, but often, usually trying to vote for someone to make plain that I was taking part in the democratic process.
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But I never, I never had a, I've never been affiliated to any political party, any ideology.
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Um, but I, I, I think I thought that the, the powers that be had mine and my family's interests at heart, whether they were red or blue.
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I thought, basically, they're going to keep the lights on.
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They're going to make sure that there's food in the supermarkets.
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But now I just don't feel, well, I now know that the establishment doesn't have mine or my family's interests at heart.
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The analogy I would make with that, you know, the five stages of grief that we're supposed to go through, the shock, the, the denial, the, you know, the, the bargaining, you know, the, the anger, the various stages that you're supposed to go through.
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I'm still, I'm, I'm probably four years in just coming to that point where I'm making peace with the fact that I, it's my, it's my responsibility that I didn't see the reality.
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So for a while I was angry with them and I still am angry with them, but, but baddies are just baddies, you know, baddies do what baddies do.
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So my problem is that I feel, oh, that it's my fault.
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So I just think it's really interesting that there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to support what you just said, that the people in charge do not have your, or your family's interests at heart at all.
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In fact, they're working against those interests day and night for whatever reason.
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I don't think any honest person can deny that at this point, four years in.
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Why, well, compound question, what percentage of your friends in 2020 arrived at the same conclusions you have arrived at?
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And what's the difference between you and those who didn't admit what was happening?
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I would say I've lost touch with everyone from before, really everyone.
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Well, you know, I'm still, obviously I'm still, my family, that's the family into which I was born.
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And also my married family, my in-laws, we've all remained as close as we ever were.
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Although, you know, there were differences of opinion about whatever, what COVID was, about the products, the jabs and so on.
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So there were differences of opinion, but it didn't cause any ill feeling or any schisms there.
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So those people are still fully, we're still, it's all very loving and close.
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But work colleagues, friends, you know, people that I had known in some instances from university days, people that I had worked beside.
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Broadly, broadly, I've lost touch with all of them.
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There's a handful of people, there's literally, you know, count on the fingers of one-handed people,
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people that, as it turns out, ended up with all of the same suspicions and have ended up every bit as conspiracist as me.
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But as I'm sure you would testify, well, I don't know, I'm not going to put, I'm not going to, you know, prejudge your experience.
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But those people that I parted company with, that void has been filled.
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That vacuum drew into a whole other cast of people, in many cases, very unlikely and unexpected.
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It was very, it was, Trudy and I, my wife and I, we would laugh about, you know, who are you on the phone?
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And I would say, and it would seem so bizarre and so unlikely, people that a few years ago I would never have imagined I would ever have a conversation with.
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Not for any particular reason, but I just didn't expect to be pulled into their orbit or them into mine.
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So I've been through this process of shedding one carapace, feeling very exposed, I suppose, like something that has cast out like a crab without its shell until the shell hardens again.
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You know, it's a very raw, nerves jangling, but now that it's forming again, and I would say I was supposed to torture that analogy a little bit, I feel a little bit bigger.
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You know, I feel as if I have grown because I wouldn't go back if I could press a button and make the COVID debacle not have happened.
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I wouldn't because what I've learned and what I feel I now understand, or at least that which I think I now have enough wit to ask the relevant questions to better understand, I wouldn't exchange where I was for where I am now.
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You know, and I did, I lost all those affiliations that I had, you know, because of the kind of television persona that I had when I was making soft history and archaeology documentaries.
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You get invited to be patron of this, representative of that, you know, just people want affiliation with you.
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So, you know, I was, I was connected to combat stress, which was a veterans charity.
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And I was connected to, uh, you know, the, the association of lighthouse keepers and.
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No, it's a very fringe little group that people that look after the lighthouse.
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And, uh, and as I say, you know, I had an, I had a, I had an agent and I had, uh, I had a column in the Sunday times.
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I had been the president of the national trust.
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I was a fellow of the raw society and all of that.
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They all distance themselves from me one by one, like dominoes, dominoes toppling.
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And it, it hurts at the time or the first one does like the first punch in the face.
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You know, you never get, you know, every punch you get thereafter is sore, but it doesn't have the shock value of the, of the first one.
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Uh, and so once the parted company with the one, oh yeah, yeah.
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And it's just a, it's just a process that I'm glad to be on for me, for us, my family.
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I've been, this is, I think of this as the great sorting.
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I mean, under this immense downward pressure exerted on the West over the last four years, people sort of wound up on one side or the other.
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As you've pointed out, it's not left, right, you know, laboratory, whatever.
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But I've never figured out, and I've thought about it a lot.
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What is it in people that compelled them to move to one side or the other, particularly to the side you're on?
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You said it's unlikely people that you never thought you'd be talking to.
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It's a question that, you know, Trudy and I and others in a small group of like-minded people, that is the $64,000 credit.
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I think it's, I think in, there has been a great sorting.
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I think this, what happened in 2020, 2021, the choices that we were invited to make, you know, pick a side.
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And a large number of people decided to be with the, to remain part of the main.
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The first big sorting like that, that there has been for decades.
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And I think in part, some of it, I think was simply down to people's natural, you know, amygdala fight or flight response to threat.
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I think some people, you know, people, you don't know until whatever the gunfire starts.
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Whether you, you can't predict it until it happens.
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And, you know, and, you know, people like, you know, people like Jordan Peterson, you know, have articulated it very well that the, the culture of movies that we were all invited to watch growing up, you're invited to think in, in World War II, you'd have, you'd have been with the French resistance.
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You would have, you would have, you would have hidden your neighbors because the black van was outside going to take them away.
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That's how, that's how people, people are invited to think that they would be the maverick.
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You would be the one that, that stands in the face of the, of the, of the tide.
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And, and then it happened before people realized what had happened.
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And, and I think the, the really part of what's really difficult now is that there's no going back.
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We're all still, all, all the people are broadly still there.
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Those that jumped one way and those that, that jumped the other.
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And we have to find this way to go on because we were, we were invited to see what some, what a lot of people were prepared to do.
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I, one of the most difficult parts of it, it sounds silly now because it's really a detail, but quite early on when the mask mandate was still very much, everyone had to wear a face mask.
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And I was, I was having to go up and down to London for work.
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I was flying home every Sunday morning and it would be, I don't know, British Airways flight or whoever.
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And I wasn't wearing a face mask and under any circumstances.
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And I would go through the airport, which was difficult enough.
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Wait, if I can just ask you to pause, why weren't you wearing a face mask?
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Would it just be easier to do what everyone else does and be obedient?
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I was, well, again, I was always, I was always a rule keeper, a law abider.
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I've always had, you know, I'm not, I've never, I've never been a protester.
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I'm very much a, I'm a, you know, I just was always, I wasn't really paying attention.
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I just wasn't really watching what was going on.
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Well, you were making archeology documentaries.
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I had my own things going on, but to get back to the plane, so it would be awkward enough
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people watching you in the airport, but then I would go up the steps of the plane, the crew,
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the cabin crew would be masked and they would say, you're not wearing a face mask.
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And I would say, no, I'm not wearing a face mask.
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Some of them would say, and I would just say, yeah, I'm exempt because in my head I was,
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because I thought, I mean, as a human being, I am definitely exempt from this nonsense.
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I thought, no, I am exempt because there's no point in this.
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You turn right down into the body of the plane and be 299 people with face masks on,
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You know, if, if, if someone gave the signal to, you know, let's pin this guy down in the
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You could see suddenly you could see I am actually at risk here, not from the establishment necessarily,
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I'm just, I'm just, because I have made myself conspicuous.
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I have stood out from the norm and anything could happen in the next five minutes.
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And I'd have to do the long walk down to my seat, it'd be 27E or something, some middle
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And sometimes people either side of me would ring the service bell, put the light on, ask
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And of course they couldn't because it was a full flight.
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And then I would have to sit for the hour and 15 minutes or whatever of the flight back
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up to Edinburgh as pariah and then get off the plane.
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And I, and then rinse and repeat, do it next week, do it next week, do it next week.
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Didn't, it just, like I said, that's a silly anecdote.
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But suddenly you, suddenly I saw people and you think, gosh, it's, you could suddenly see
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how things happen, questions you had thought, I wonder how they got that to happen in Germany
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I wonder how they got that to happen in the terror in France in the, you know, at the 18th
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I wonder how they got that to happen in Russia.
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So you said that in public, you said famously something close to what you just said, which
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is, oh, now I understand how totalitarian movements, you know, sort of move downward into the population
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and the population by and large supports some genocidal agenda that normal people wouldn't
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support, but they do support it. And you said that and you were attacked as a bigot
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Oh, yeah, but you must have, you must have been on the same
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so I'm sure I've been called every name, I don't care
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being prepared to stand in the face of things for longer than me
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when you were asking me what did I think was the common
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uniting all of the people that were refusing to go along with it
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you know, the majority opinion was not always right
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what people thought of me except the people I love
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the last four or five years populist has become a pejorative
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how can people use the word democracy to describe your country
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well we don't that's why I have these I have these
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fundamental problems about we certainly don't have democracy
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I wonder I wonder for how long it's been it's been
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what's your guess I really gosh I mean in my most
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conspiratorial moments I think something began to happen all across the west
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after the second world war clearly really from the middle from the mid
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during the war and and after the war I think the moves
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I don't know if it started then but I think there's a gear shift
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have you been to Tokyo have you been to Japan I have I have filmed in Tokyo so
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then you sort of wonder when you go to Japan if you go from London to Tokyo
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there's no evidence that one side that the side that won actually won and the
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side that lost actually lost like if you didn't know the history you would
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think well obviously Japan won the war look at it
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yes what is that oh yes I mean there are there are all sorts of things that are
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confusing I'm I'm not a historian I love history I'm fascinated by history my
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shelves are full of history books but um so I how many books have you written
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I think it's fair to call you a historian well but I'm not an academic I don't
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right and nor do I want to be I never really have had that it's not in my nature I'm not
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really anyway but um so it means that I'm I'm prepared I'm perfectly happy to to be
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at home to uh unorthodox ideas about history because I don't have any academic
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position I don't have a professorship to defend maybe that's why you can see the
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world clearly I know but I sometimes wonder if my if I have a unique a USP you
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know a unique selling point I think it may be that the things I have said over the
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last few years uh it everyone knows they're true yeah it's just that for
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whatever reason I've said them and I've had the I've had the the opportunity and
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the platform from which to say them and and because I am I just a regular person
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saying what every other regular person knows is true that's my so okay that's my
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but we've we've wandered we've wandered off what I think that's a great that's
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you're qualified enough you're not an Oxford Don but when but you've been right
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about a lot of things I've got basic questions about the second world war okay
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well what are they like clearly something important changed in the west in 1945
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what was that what's very interesting to me is that you know that um Hitler and
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and Stalin were together at the beginning yeah of course of it and when
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Poland was invaded Britain said we will do whatever it takes to restore freedom and
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democracy to the people from whom it's been uh denied yeah stolen and then what
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happened and then Neil Oliver and then and then you know you've only got to read
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any uh coverage of the second world second world war to know that at the end of
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the second world war Poland was left swallowed whole by well they handed it to
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Stalin uh-huh so so the the stated the stated objective is that the stated
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objective of Britain declaring war at the time was well you didn't do it you
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didn't you didn't do that we didn't even try and in our country it's illegal to
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criticize Winston Churchill he's the greatest hero in and then world history
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when you look at the when you look at the murkiness that happened at Yalta you know
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between you know between you know Roosevelt and Stalin and Churchill and and the
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fact that uh you know agreements were arrived at somehow where uh many people
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who wanted whatever you would call west the west they wanted to be the west
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they were just allowed to be swallowed whole by the communist bloc yeah to the
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most violent totalitarian in history so they handed these countries they went to
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war to protect the sovereignty of these countries that they then handed and people
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were being chased back across across specified lines back into that so what is
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that clearly clearly so there's lying here so what's the truth so you that we
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started we started there because we were speculating about when it all started to
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go wrong when the when the slide towards you know neo anything that ends in ism is
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the same you know whether it's fascism or communism or any of these things end up
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with piles of corpses you know you can't get a cigarette paper between these between
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any of these ideologies so it's yeah it's important not to be distracted by by whether
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or not it's national socialism or communism or whatever they're all the same they're good
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for a handful of people and they're catastrophic for everybody else uh and so clearly clearly
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something shifted up a gear in the west in the middle of the in the during the second world war
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and after and has been moving faster and faster ever since and but i i think there's there's been an
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extraordinary gamble taken now because even even people who were who were in a state of semi-slumber
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like myself were aware of notions like a social contract you know that that i was that we as as
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citizens uh would be represent you know no taxation without representation you know we would be we
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would have our views represented we would have our liberty defended uh we would be we would be we
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would be safe in peaceful countries and in return for that we would pay tax and we would submit to
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certain otherwise you know onerous restrictions on you can't do anything you've got to be agreed to
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be policed by consent and so on and so on and and that that's okay so there's now a social contract
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there's a quid pro quo there for people there's a reason for people to to to comply because there's
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something in it for them liberty aspiration hope all of that being protected by legislation and a
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constitution and all and all of that the gamble that's been taken now is that all of that is supposed
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to is being taken away everything that the people all of these all of the inducements to be law-abiding
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peaceful citizens is being taken away for and and and what do i get in return nothing you're going
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to get a digital id you're going to get central bank digital currencies you're going to live in 15
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minute cities you know you're going to have your we'll tell you what to eat your your currency will
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be programmable so we'll have complete moment to moment in real-time control of everything you do
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everything you want to do now that's a heck of a gamble for for a very narrow group of people to
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take with billions of people because there's nothing in it for the people there's nothing in it for them
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and i think i think they have fumbled the ball i think that's where there's hope because not 50 percent
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not 51 percent of the people have realized that and would do anything about it but history shows
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that it never it never requires it only takes five percent or ten percent of people to cotton on and
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do something about it and make the difference and i think that on the in the final moves towards this
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kind of neo-feudalism they have exposed themselves they've gone galloping towards the finishing line
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too early in the wrong way and too many people have seen it and i think in in there somewhere
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is hope and it's probably enough hope i wonder though i mean it does seem two things it seems like
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they're pushing the population not just of your country or mine but really of most western countries
01:15:47.320
right to the point of revolution like how about we give you nothing and you shut up and take it
01:15:54.700
yeah and erase all hope for a future for your children or grandchildren even having children
01:16:00.920
or grandchildren okay it's quite a gamble to take but the gamble is that that the technology
01:16:06.780
is evolving so quickly that it'll allow them to harness you know the surveillance state and
01:16:15.300
various tools of violence that are so overwhelming that there's nothing the population can do anything
01:16:19.900
could do about it you know drones and ai are going to be enough to sort of force people to
01:16:24.540
accept this that's how i read it it's possible yes of course it's possible but i think it's incumbent
01:16:30.400
upon us to be optimistic that that's not what happens you know i think there's an absolute there's an
01:16:37.580
absolute obligation it's beyond a right it's it's an absolute obligation to be positive i struggle with
01:16:45.860
it i mean i agree i have to be yanked back onto the path of righteousness by trudi all the time because
01:16:50.140
she is by inclination more positive than i am uh but but nonetheless you know i i go to i lean to
01:16:56.740
the dark side all the time well scots have dark souls don't they yes i we are there is it's never
01:17:01.240
difficult to to tell the difference between a scotsman and a ray of sunshine
01:17:04.480
as the saying goes uh but you you have to it's when when we spoke earlier about um being brought to
01:17:16.620
terms with being made to confront what really matters uh and it is difficult to talk about it
01:17:23.120
in many ways it all it almost makes a person blush because of the things that you find yourself having
01:17:29.580
to say but you know the you know the constitution of the united states you know the the first amendment
01:17:35.860
these it's at times like this that these things are suddenly a light comes on inside them and suddenly
01:17:42.900
everyone sees them as though for the first time it's only because they're being threatened that people
01:17:50.960
see them you know and the very you know the language you know the inalienable right is so
01:17:58.080
important you know that you know this you get this at school but you know the inalienable is is to say
01:18:05.520
that your freedom is not you're born with it it's there it's from god it certainly isn't given to you by
01:18:13.040
any person and it can't be taken from you by any person but the third and most important bit about
01:18:19.260
inalienable i only really began to contemplate in recent years is that even if you want to surrender
01:18:24.060
your freedom you can't because it's inalienable you are lumbered with it you're you're stuck with
01:18:31.980
it it's like your leg you can't it's it's part of you your freedom and it's when it's challenged in
01:18:39.080
this way and it's under freedom and people talk about freedoms as though it's plural there's only
01:18:44.240
freedom it's a single thing and because it's inalienable it's at the moment when it's being
01:18:50.480
threatened that people none of us has any we have an obligation to defend it you don't get the choice
01:18:57.140
if someone offers you slavery will you be my slave you can't because it's your inalienable right
01:19:03.900
to be free you can't surrender to slavery it's not your thing to give away and that's it so that's why
01:19:14.260
some of this i suppose had to happen people need to see the freedom of speech being taken away by
01:19:20.860
hate crime legislation hate speech legislation or whatever they need these things to happen before
01:19:26.720
the before you look again at what freedom is what democracy might be what it is to have inalienable
01:19:35.820
rights you know and we can't we don't have the option to give these things up even even if we're
01:19:44.160
broken and we want to and like these are i think these are profound verities what's the tipping point
01:19:51.360
what's the point at which you won't have optimism what's the point at which never you can't good
01:19:57.420
well good well you can't because that's what i mean as i because you're you're not it's not
01:20:01.820
you're not allowed you're not entitled to give up because it's in the nature of inalienable rights
01:20:10.120
that you even if unto death you know they can you know we'll get you know you may take our lives but
01:20:17.140
you'll never take our freedom you know the oft-quoted line from braveheart and that is just
01:20:22.260
it so there's nothing to be pessimistic about essentially because the option to give up is not
01:20:27.120
there you don't get to give it up do you think the totalitarians will win honestly no no they won't
01:20:34.540
because because i believe i also think a lot nowadays about natural law you know i read about common law
01:20:41.400
which has become an obsession uh and i read about natural law and whether you're religious or not
01:20:49.620
if you let's say you just if you accept an intelligent universe and then natural law says
01:20:58.320
that an intelligent universe does want the best for you unlike our regimes and our establishments and
01:21:05.940
our powers that be the universe is there for you to be the the the best expression of yourself and
01:21:14.360
consciousness that there can be and all of that can be subverted by evil a bit like a if you can hold
01:21:24.140
a ball under the surface of of water for as long as you've got the strength to do it but the ball wants
01:21:30.260
to be somewhere else because that's the that's in the natural order of things and eventually the
01:21:36.800
totalitarians will run out of the strength to subvert the the way that things are supposed to be
01:21:44.400
and you can't it's difficult to put a timeline on these things you know i wouldn't say that we're going
01:21:50.860
to see the end of it in our lifetimes you and me and and it might be for our children to see the end of
01:21:56.180
it but it will end and the because the natural law will reassert itself i didn't i didn't another of
01:22:06.300
the things i was sleepy about in a state of slumber about i didn't really think about faith i've always
01:22:14.340
been a person of faith quietly i don't go to church but i believe in a in a transcendent intelligent
01:22:23.820
entity and uh i think that was brought home to me and and the light came on in it for me during this
01:22:33.340
time as well because so many people wrote to me thousands of people wrote to me from all over the
01:22:37.900
world this game started where people one one woman wrote a letter to me and addressed it to neil oliver
01:22:43.900
near stirling castle stirling scotland and the letter came to me i thought that's impressive
01:22:50.500
the postman managed to get that to me and i put a picture of it on social media and without
01:22:55.740
thinking and it opened floodgates and now i've had thousands of letters like these and so people
01:23:00.020
were writing to me without knowing my address and the vast majority of the letters were about this is
01:23:04.900
a fight between good and evil this is a fight between right and wrong this is about light and dark
01:23:10.680
it was it was that it was as fundamental as that for for most of those people that were writing to me
01:23:17.420
and perversely you know in an upside down way it was it was becoming aware of evil in the world around
01:23:25.880
me that made me think there there will be what's the opposite of evil there must be good there must be
01:23:33.600
good because i see the evil and every you know every uh force has its equal and opposite yes so there
01:23:40.700
must be good there must be god or the you know there must be because i've seen the alternative
01:23:47.860
i've seen the adversary because it's it's it's stalking the land at the moment the badness is visible
01:23:53.640
and that was you know that's part of the the sort of profound realignment that i've been going through
01:24:00.660
or it really is just an awakening i mean that's a that's a hackneyed term now but being awakened
01:24:05.580
do you see it happening to others around you yes yes absolutely more and more more and more people
01:24:10.960
are saying it and it doesn't you know and differences are never made by the majority
01:24:16.660
not really that's not how it works you know that this the signal the crucial thing is invariably done
01:24:23.620
by the one or just a few people who are right you know when you know um you know when you when you
01:24:32.300
sometimes you'll be sitting at a dinner table with friends and family and whatever and you say
01:24:37.640
something and the and the whole place just breaks up a great perfect line you just say something and
01:24:43.140
everyone laughs and if you think often most often you didn't you didn't even think of the line you
01:24:51.000
didn't compose it it's just there and you said it and everyone laughs because what you said in it's not
01:24:57.920
just funny it's also true right you people can instantly true runs through people you know like
01:25:06.260
lightning through a lightning conductor it just oh it runs through you and you feel it and that i think
01:25:12.860
that's what's happened for a lot of people a lot of people are able to identify very readily with with
01:25:18.860
what's wrong here which is simply a an inversion of natural law that that evil has is trying to assert
01:25:25.680
itself freedom is being taken from people from whom it cannot be taken but with but with the ending of
01:25:32.920
those people themselves these fundamentals are happening and i do genuinely hand on heart think
01:25:39.360
enough people think that don't just think it they know it because it's true it's it's true and people feel
01:25:47.220
it it's a i think you're what you're saying is absolutely right true things are that they resonate
01:25:54.060
there's like a tuning fork inside you that starts to hum when you hear something that you know to be
01:25:59.880
true it almost doesn't need to be explained so when you hear it you know it but i think there's a step
01:26:05.040
from that experience to using the word god in public in the in the secular west are you hearing that more
01:26:10.880
yeah definitely definitely and and i feel good about it and and and i think a part of why i feel good
01:26:18.240
about it is because it's it's coming at me in various shades you know i'm i'm i'm being you know
01:26:24.340
people uh of christian and uh and islamic faith are talking to me and up there and inter alia that
01:26:33.220
they mention they talk about everything but they talk about faith and good and evil and i hear within
01:26:39.020
the within the christian community i hear from catholic and protestant and and they're all saying the same
01:26:46.100
thing because the the the only important bits of any of those messages are the same anyway
01:26:51.980
uh and they're all they're all uh again it's the truth so it's it's uh it's striking it's chiming
01:27:02.140
with me it's i can you know i can feel it because it's evidently true and so i don't i don't have any
01:27:07.120
i don't have any qualm about invoking god because you know i'm pretty sure i've caught sight of the devil
01:27:14.140
it's so interesting like everything not everything but a lot of things that i thought 20 years ago are
01:27:20.080
completely ridiculous now i was utterly wrong and one of them we were told for so long that
01:27:25.740
muslims are your enemy and i want to say i'm not a muslim and i'm completely opposed to mass migration
01:27:31.500
period i don't care of anybody i'm just against it but it hasn't turned out that way and i have to say
01:27:37.880
you galloway of course russell brand it feels like the people who hate you the most in the uk are
01:27:46.700
educated white liberals and it feels like a lot of muslim immigrants are open to what you're saying
01:27:54.000
and agree with you that's my impression as a foreigner do you feel yes yes i they are because
01:27:58.460
you know i think it's it's often it's much more important just to see a person first
01:28:02.960
well of course you know i know you know that but that's that's the thing and so i don't i don't
01:28:07.500
always think about this information is coming at me from a christian or from a muslim well in our
01:28:11.580
country i mean it's a different experience but after 9-11 and i'm not again i'm not muslim i'm not
01:28:16.540
going to become muslim i don't agree with islam but we were told again and again and everybody in
01:28:21.940
the world i lived in seemed to agree with it that muslims is islam that's our enemy i don't know if
01:28:29.380
you had that experience in the uk we definitely had that here and it's just interesting but again
01:28:34.600
that's that's all part of that uh divide and conquer you're absolutely right i just did not
01:28:38.620
perceive that at the time because i mean well you've made me think about it you know you you spent
01:28:43.660
years in in washington dc only 35 not a big deal you've so i'm i i hold my hand up and say i
01:28:52.820
absolutely i grew up with absolute certainty that america were the good guys i watched the west wing
01:28:58.860
almost all of it and i thought that you know as long as there's democrats in the in the west wing
01:29:04.620
you know the the white-hearted cowboys are out there making sure everything's going to be on
01:29:10.040
good god god help me you know that i went i went oh jed bartlett whoa fantastic and now i think oh
01:29:17.980
how why did i ever why did i ever think that now you were in the belly of the beast what is it
01:29:25.380
what what is it with these people you know these people that you know that i'm not going to why
01:29:29.960
name any names you know these people that have gone in skinny and come out fat with money with
01:29:34.960
lobbying and goodness and insider trading and all of the rest of it so they've got more money than
01:29:40.700
creases and they're still there in their dotage still at what drives it what makes these
01:29:49.860
i miss i miss the whole thing i didn't grow up worrying about money and just being as honest
01:29:55.000
as i can be so i never really thought of money as a huge motivator in people's behavior because
01:30:00.120
it never was for me what's motivating these people clearly money is part of it i i was just late to
01:30:05.700
that understanding you know we all have blind spots and failures and that was definitely one of mine i
01:30:10.920
just didn't i didn't see how corrupt it was because i couldn't imagine like i would never say
01:30:16.780
something i i don't believe for money i just would never do that it would never even occur to me to
01:30:20.440
do that so um i didn't grow up like that so the idea that other people were saying things they knew
01:30:26.480
to be untrue for money that like i never i was shocked it took me decades to figure out that was
01:30:33.660
going on and you would hear people say oh it's all about the money and i'd be like that's bullshit it's
01:30:37.480
not you know we just have different views different ideologies different world views no a lot of it was
01:30:43.760
just about the money and i just did not perceive how much money can a kind of multi multi-millionaire
01:30:48.800
well i agree i mean i've never been that well that is absolutely right first of all you know
01:30:54.220
getting out of debt i do think is a massive blessing and if you can get out of debt it just
01:30:59.700
means you're not controlled and there is a inherent freedom in that and debt is slavery we love debt in
01:31:04.980
the united states we have a debt-based society you know lending money and interest that's like the main
01:31:08.600
thing that we do in the united states i think it's disgusting i've always thought that um so if you can
01:31:13.380
get out of that it's clearly liberation but beyond that like is it going to make you happy no i mean
01:31:20.860
i've just lived around rich people my whole life so i know that that does not make you happy so if we
01:31:24.940
accept but if we accept that money's part but it must be more than that so what is that what is that
01:31:29.500
what is the because you know you one does end up with fewer and fewer options when it comes to
01:31:37.220
explaining what's going on and it just feels like it you know it does begin to feel as if it's in the
01:31:43.020
service of some kind of darkness that's what it feels like well i mean it is it is in this in the
01:31:47.420
service of darkness there's no kind of rational explanation for transgenderism you know that's
01:31:53.660
just you're sterilizing kids there's no upside that could ever justify that you're doing it for
01:31:58.900
killing people as you know the u.s government has i hate to say it as a patriotic american but it's
01:32:05.720
been a force for for killing for a long time what is that and again there's only a spiritual answer i
01:32:13.160
think to that question i don't see a rational one for sure but i also think it's recognizable in a
01:32:18.960
temporal uh framework as hubris it's the belief that you are god that you have greater powers than
01:32:27.300
any man actually possesses greater foresight greater wisdom greater power and that is like the oldest
01:32:34.120
trap there is like that is the story of history is people you know convincing themselves that
01:32:39.800
they're more than human and uh and that's that's how you destroy yourself in the society that you lead
01:32:44.580
for sure and so what happens to what is is has the has the american republic fallen and is it
01:32:53.380
something is long gone i mean the second you allow an intel agency to murder your democratic
01:32:57.420
cratically elected president as we did 62 years ago and then sort of ignore that it happened to be
01:33:02.220
like i don't think that's really what happened shut up no it's not a reply if you allow unelected
01:33:09.640
bureaucrats to murder the guy that the majority elected like just by definition the system is not what
01:33:15.420
they say it is obviously so but i do think i agree with you 100 and i agree with our you know long
01:33:24.180
departed president dwight eisenhower that it really was the the second reward in ways that i don't
01:33:29.620
understand but it's demonstrable change the nature of the country change the relationship uh between
01:33:37.040
the population and its government can i ask you a question that i always think about but
01:33:40.120
uk specific question so 1914 the uk england britain whatever we're calling it you know is running the
01:33:50.840
world you know and and doing i would say a pretty good job not perfect job pretty good job
01:33:56.560
putting in railways and spreading christianity and being kind of pompous but basically being a
01:34:02.100
fairly benign colonial power as colonial powers go there's a war four years the smartest people in
01:34:08.660
the country are all killed for no obvious reason the country's really weakened by that war the united
01:34:13.000
states becomes a preeminent power in the world um by 1919 so it's a huge loss for great britain i would
01:34:21.820
say the first world war again for no real reason 20 years later your leaders tell you got to do it again
01:34:28.260
for reasons that are clearly fake liberate poland and then hand it to stalin that's not the reason
01:34:33.640
obviously democracy is not the reason and then the country is really like wrecked and the empire
01:34:39.080
collapses and it becomes sad is there bitterness about that like why wouldn't that be the the
01:34:45.240
bitterest thing that ever happened in the history of your country are people still do they talk about
01:34:48.980
that they brought us into two wars that just destroyed us all these cool things that we had
01:34:53.140
this great society that we had we made i think there's a i think there is a i think there is a
01:34:59.080
a lingering sadness but what about anger like your leaders did there was no reason to join either war
01:35:06.180
well the people the people obviously in my lifetime your lifetime the veterans of the first world war
01:35:12.040
they're all gone oh of course you know and the and the veterans of the second world war you know
01:35:17.220
are the endangered species that they are there's you know they are almost all on on the way out and so
01:35:22.120
and so the and once once the once the the people to whom it happened are gone then that takes something
01:35:28.660
with them you know we we don't we're only uh angry with what happened at one remove in a sense
01:35:36.780
because the the people who really suffered it are gone but but i hear what you're saying about
01:35:43.420
i was born 25 years after the war it's so obvious you could say i mean you could say that britain
01:35:48.180
only became a second rate power after suez you know which wasn't until 50 56 so so you you could say that
01:35:55.660
we were for what for whatever had happened to us courtesy of the first world war and then the second world war it was
01:36:00.960
it was that it was that shit show in in suez and and that humiliation you know with by america that
01:36:12.020
that britain became only then so yeah but it was dead i was dead after you know i would say it's much
01:36:18.040
i think you do make me think about something that's not unconnected i do think that what's happening at
01:36:24.680
the moment we will not understand what has actually happened here maybe in 50 years time people look
01:36:32.180
back maybe in a hundred years time in the same way that i would say you know someone who went
01:36:36.560
through the first world war even if they were experiencing it even if they were in the western
01:36:40.460
front or whatever with the bullets flying and seeing all of the of the horror of it you couldn't
01:36:46.200
couldn't possibly conceptualize the impact and the consequences and the significance
01:36:51.420
and the way in which you don't living you don't live through a period and know that
01:36:55.680
you might suspect that the world might be changed forever as a result of the period that you're living
01:37:00.860
through but to actually predict what will be the the real consequences in 10 in 50 years time is
01:37:09.000
beyond all of us i think i think it's impossible i think part of why people won't waking up to this
01:37:15.320
at the moment and won't confront it is because it's it's so big what's happening i think it is
01:37:22.920
going to be like a first world war of course you know through what you know someone said that the
01:37:27.580
first world war was a set of iron railings between the between the past and everything else because
01:37:32.620
you could see the past but you could never reach it again and i think but that wouldn't have been a
01:37:37.260
pardon right at the time you know that wouldn't have been a pardon even as the men were dying it was not
01:37:41.820
i mean my wife's great-grandfather whose picture is right over there wrote a book about it his
01:37:45.840
service in france and i've read it pretty great book and it's the most cheerful book ever written
01:37:51.680
you know sort of like he was a you know successful guy in the united states and went over there
01:37:56.280
fight for something he didn't understand what he was fighting for and he was in good mood the whole
01:37:58.840
time i think at some point at some point again in the same time frame that we're talking about
01:38:04.560
second world war thereafter i think the world fell finally into the grip of the banks
01:38:09.620
it fell finally into the grip of those unelected unaccountable for-profit
01:38:17.120
groups for whom everything was only about money money and power and and for them they became
01:38:27.460
anywheres at that point they didn't care about they weren't they weren't didn't care about britain
01:38:31.520
didn't care about america they just cared about money you know and i think i think that has been
01:38:38.020
has been i think we lost in the in that slow motion consequence of the 20th century or the first half of the 20th century
01:38:49.520
uh the all of all of what had been before that kind of love of country that kind of patriotism
01:38:59.840
that that kind of identity i think that was unmoored unhitched at that point and something very large
01:39:10.480
and slow moving just began to drift like a great liner that you know was no longer on its safe
01:39:17.280
anchorage and it's just and it's only and it's only now that with with our kind of 20s 2020 vision of
01:39:24.280
hindsight that we're able to look back and see that that happened
01:39:26.660
when was the last time britain had a leader who believed the country was more important than the
01:39:42.120
banks well you probably you probably have to go back to pre-1694 and the and the establishment of
01:39:50.940
the bank of england i mean that's when the bank of england was was set up and that's and that's that
01:39:56.420
became the model for the fed in in 1913 and you know the the creature of jekyll island and uh
01:40:04.040
i think and but then where do you start you know the city of london was established by
01:40:10.900
you know at the time of william the conqueror of course and and there's a state within a state
01:40:14.720
that's like the vatican it's a it's a separate entity you know people don't you know fully appreciate
01:40:20.680
the extent to which the city of london is not britain it's it's a it's a separate it's a
01:40:28.860
separate it's its own police force the the monarch has to seek permission to enter the city of london
01:40:33.880
there's a there's a nominated person in parliament the city the city remembrancer who most people don't
01:40:39.680
notice who's there all the time to make sure that the the the unique rights of the city of london are
01:40:46.020
maintained and not compromised by any subsequent legislation you know so there's there's been a
01:40:51.860
long period of that so to get back to a time before the banks of thrall you'd have to be before
01:40:58.040
the the banks were given the bank of england was given that magical power to create fiat money
01:41:03.880
that's when all the you know that that's when the trouble started do you know about the bradbury pound
01:41:09.560
that's a no the great story well you know about you know the uh what'd you call it that um abe lincoln
01:41:15.560
had constitutional script the greenbacks yes during the civil war obviously um you know to get himself
01:41:21.280
out of a financial hole well the bradbury pound came about in 1914 because there was a run on the
01:41:27.900
banks war had war war was declared and people panic and they and people are going to the banks with
01:41:35.940
their bits of paper the big bank notes i promised to pay the bearer on demand the sum of five pounds
01:41:40.700
ten pounds and in those days you could actually get that transformed into gold you'd you could get
01:41:46.100
the commensurate the the the you know the relevant bit of gold it was transferable had value and and so
01:41:52.000
the banks had a run on now they they they closed the banks but there was an extended bank holiday
01:41:57.960
the the the bank went scuttling to the treasury uh david lloyd george was the the the was the uh was
01:42:06.000
the was the was the was the was the person they sought out the the the treasury the government must
01:42:11.640
have had an inkling that it was happening because within within three days legislation was rushed through
01:42:16.600
parliament so they must have had something kind of ready to go and they created treasury notes
01:42:21.700
and the first lord of the treasury was a man called i think it's john bradbury bradbury anyway
01:42:29.180
and he his signature was on these notes and they became their nickname was the bradbury pounds
01:42:35.160
and so the banks reopened the people were still queuing up wanting to transfer their bank bank notes
01:42:42.440
into gold they were persuaded to take these treasury notes instead and people said well what what's the
01:42:49.680
value of these and they were they were debt free and interest free and they were underwritten by the
01:42:56.320
the notional value of britain the everything that britain was or is its creativity its people its labor
01:43:04.200
force its industry everything that's what underwrote the bradbury pound and for whatever reason
01:43:09.560
people accepted it okay i'll take these bradbury pounds i'll take these treasury notes not bank notes
01:43:17.740
and that got that that saved the day the run on the bank was averted now almost at once the banks
01:43:27.440
said or realized we can't have this this is debt free interest free mode of exchange
01:43:34.640
what's in it for us and so very quickly they went back to the government said withdraw these bradbury
01:43:42.060
pounds let's go back to the old days we'll buy government bonds we'll give you bank notes we'll
01:43:48.080
call it three percent three percent interest sound fair the bradbury pounds were great i think the last
01:43:54.000
one actually didn't come out of circulation until maybe in the the late like many years later i can't
01:43:59.600
remember exactly when the last one came came out of circulation britain's national debt in 1914
01:44:06.100
1918 before the war was about 650 million pounds by 1918 it was 7.5 billion because the bankers had
01:44:17.980
regained control but but for a moment for a moment with the with the advent of this debt-free
01:44:25.560
interest-free treasury note underwritten by the notional or real value of britain
01:44:31.720
there was a there was a there was a currency went out into general circulation that could have
01:44:37.400
changed everything imagine if people imagine if the banks had been disempowered because they
01:44:42.000
didn't have the power of debt they didn't have the power of usury interest whatever you want to call
01:44:46.100
it but they they realized we're not having this so having been got out of the hole of the run on
01:44:52.160
the gold the the bradbury pounds were taken away nobody noticed there's a war on and the national
01:44:58.500
debt that began its began its cycling could crypto be a bradbury pound well
01:45:05.120
i get i i host i seek to host conversations about brad about um bitcoin and and crypto from from time
01:45:15.600
to time i'll i'll make no bones about it i'm not i'm not really sure that i properly i'm in an expert
01:45:22.460
enough position to say whether i think it's the freedom of humanity or not i hear very strong voices
01:45:26.980
on either side people say it's a ponzi scheme and a con and don't go near it other people say no
01:45:31.440
this is the foundation upon which we will rebuild society and and somewhere between those two polar
01:45:37.520
uh extremes must lie the must lie the truth uh i think on i think on i think there are elements about
01:45:45.000
it distributed ledger blockchain i think somewhere within there that there are profound solutions
01:45:53.420
because i i have asked and and had a vague yes whether or not you could use the blockchain protocol
01:46:00.780
to have say a news channel that couldn't be shut down because it's peer to you know the currency
01:46:08.560
exchange with bitcoin is peer to peer person to person without the interest without the intercedents
01:46:12.360
of a bank and hypothetically they say yes you could you could you could distribute information
01:46:18.920
you could you could transact bitcoin essentially is a transaction of information
01:46:24.080
so therefore you could hypothetically you could exchange news you could in that way and the people
01:46:29.620
couldn't the the baddies couldn't get at it hypothetically so the the the cryptocurrency or
01:46:36.660
bitcoin and blockchain interests me for that reason and and i and i although i listen to very strong
01:46:44.060
voices saying don't go anywhere near bitcoin it's been hacked it'll the banks have got control of
01:46:49.600
it and so on and so on i think somewhere within that thinking there might be a there might be some
01:46:56.100
of the answer how long till you get pulled off the air oh oh i don't know i mean i i do genuinely when
01:47:05.500
when if you're living in a country that is trying to criminalize conversations at your dinner table
01:47:11.280
between you and your kids send you to prison for seven years for having the wrong opinions i think
01:47:15.620
i think um it's a bold not me i mean i'm a small fry in in in these things but you know i'm a minnow
01:47:22.680
in swimming in these waters but nonetheless these are bold moves because i think the people that are
01:47:31.600
seeking the control with everything with digital currency with with digital ids with all of it
01:47:37.220
are are cowardly frightened people i think we're dealing with i think we have created an ecosystem
01:47:44.180
that has enabled to thrive the most frightened psychopathic parasitic cacistocratic leadership
01:47:53.500
the world has yet seen we have created the conditions for them and it's we've got to take
01:47:58.740
responsibility for the fact that they are our fault you know you get the government you deserve that's
01:48:03.940
true um so we have we can't wash our hands of it nonetheless i think they're scared very very very
01:48:10.220
frightened people and they're what they're most frightened of is everyone else they're probably
01:48:14.540
frightened of each other and i think there's a line that do they want to do they have the will
01:48:21.420
they cross it and do the wet work that would be required they're operating at one remove from
01:48:29.240
really hurting people physically really going the lengths of throwing people into you know gulags and
01:48:37.260
concentration camps they're not there yet and you know are they are they ready do they have the
01:48:43.440
backbone to actually start not so much people like me but you know but bigger fish are they really going
01:48:49.500
to do that i don't know if they've really got it in them if as long as people well if they're proposing
01:48:55.480
jail time for people who criticize them that suggests they do have it in them let's see what
01:48:59.880
actually happens i think some of it is i think some of it is is is brinkmanship and and i'm not i'm
01:49:08.480
not persuaded that they've got the the cojones to to be the authoritarians that they fantasize about
01:49:14.320
being well i mean it depends on circumstance right i mean they once the virus intentionally or not
01:49:21.420
got out of the lab in wuhan the covid virus then um you know they moved immediately to institute
01:49:29.780
totalitarian rule that will happen again they're still doing gain-of-function research as you well
01:49:34.900
know but don't you don't you think though there'll be a real virus that escapes but i don't think i don't
01:49:39.560
think so i'm not sure there ever was anything i don't think that i'm not persuaded that there ever
01:49:43.780
was anything novel called covid i'm not covid came and influenza vanished that's a bit really
01:49:52.120
now all the people that would traditionally tends that in their tens or hundreds of thousands every
01:49:56.820
winter would die of the flu yes nobody's dying of flu you know what this is now covid that's kind of
01:50:02.760
convenient so i'm not i'm not entirely sure there was anything new there was no pandemic you know the
01:50:09.680
average age of death was 82 83 which is beyond life expectancy um you know you look at the stats
01:50:14.700
the official government stats for a country like germany uh in in 19 and 20 2019 2020 hospital bed
01:50:22.060
occupancy was an all-time low there was nothing clinically observable that would have given any
01:50:28.080
clinician any cause for alarm in terms of we're dealing with something here people are dropping
01:50:32.340
like flies it simply was did you have a lot of friends who died of covid no i don't know anyone who
01:50:36.140
died of covid what do you mean you don't know anyone i don't know anyone directly millions and
01:50:39.340
millions and millions no one connected to me none of my people died of covid but i know plenty of
01:50:43.780
people have died subsequently of heart attacks and or stroke or all the other things that you know
01:50:48.920
that that happened once do you know anyone who knows anyone who's died of covid well i must do i must i
01:50:54.900
must do i can't think of of anyone but i do not know anyone who died of covid it's kind of crazy if
01:51:00.000
you think about it it's like i don't know i don't i don't know that i i'm not persuaded that there
01:51:04.080
was anything new circulating there may have been but it doesn't matter even if there was
01:51:09.800
the the facts remain the data makes clear that there was no the people weren't dying in large
01:51:16.400
numbers before well not not before the rollout of the jabs but in 2019 2020 there was nothing there
01:51:22.700
was nothing to see here what we ended up with was a pandemic of testing with the misapplication of
01:51:28.960
pcr tests that were never designed according to their designer to be used as diagnostic tools
01:51:33.780
the forensic they're not diagnostic um everything about it was hinky the whole thing was obviously
01:51:40.340
they they simply took an opportunity to do something that they were planning to do anyway
01:51:45.160
which was to use a pandemic to seize control of people's uh freedom and their and their money
01:51:52.080
biggest the biggest transfer of wealth in history job done all of that was achieved but i what if we
01:51:58.220
had a pandemic of anything it was a pandemic of propaganda a pandemic of lies and a pandemic of
01:52:03.360
testing that that's it well it is pretty remarkable that for a pandemic that supposedly killed 10 million
01:52:12.220
people or whatever the number they're assigning you don't know anyone who died from it only people who
01:52:16.460
died from the vax that is absolutely true in my case too and in fact i don't know anyone who knows
01:52:21.340
anyone who died of it i possibly don't either i just couldn't quite as contrary but that's pretty i mean
01:52:25.920
we're both in our 50s sort of know a lot of people you don't know anybody who died of covid i i know
01:52:30.140
a number of people who died or were injured from the vax so um but at some point i mean the spanish
01:52:36.020
flu was real millions people died well including relatives of ours let's let's revisit that i mean
01:52:41.640
the lies down lies in statistics i mean numbers are always problematic yes when i was at school when i was
01:52:49.060
at school and i i studied history at school uh i remember being told that stalin said that
01:52:54.720
four four million russians that soviet had died conquering germany beating germany yeah
01:53:01.220
it's now routinely quoted as 20 yes right so the number numbers just whatever the numbers are they
01:53:07.760
go up and so likewise with the spanish flu now now i read sometimes that maybe 200 maybe more 200
01:53:14.440
million people died of spanish flu but the number keeps going up with the passage of time and there's
01:53:20.760
there's quite there are grounds for thinking that what people died of was aspirin overdose because
01:53:27.520
aspirin was very new at the time of the spanish flu pandemic and the the doctors or the or the medical
01:53:35.500
establishment they kind of knew they had their hands on a on a useful drug but they hadn't worked out
01:53:41.140
the dosage they didn't know how best to administer it and at what level and people were literally
01:53:47.120
eating handfuls of aspirin seriously they were taking handfuls of aspirin and people when they were
01:53:52.980
dying of spanish flu their symptoms are not what you would expect from flu influenza people were
01:53:59.800
had bloody froth at their noses yes their mouths bluing of the lips which is symptomatic of oxygen
01:54:06.720
starvation and but those are symptoms of aspirin overdose aspirin overdose will cause your blood
01:54:14.540
to have less oxygen in it hence the the bluing of lips and the and then the damage to lungs are you
01:54:19.680
listening to this treaty and then and then the damage i've never heard and then the damage to lungs
01:54:23.340
will will create this will create this frothing now people were dying of well people were dying
01:54:28.800
but this far out from from 1914 1918 and and given the complication of the misuse on a colossal scale
01:54:38.400
of us and it's interesting the parallel uh doctors were encouraged to push aspirin on their patients
01:54:44.540
you know and they were and they were in league with government and and physicians were all working
01:54:49.620
together with big pharma to push aspirin as the wonder cure as the wonder treatment and you've got
01:54:56.300
well you end up with with many many dead like i say that lies damned lies and statistics it's hard
01:55:02.080
to know how many people died certainly now but a lot of people died but then sometimes a lot of people
01:55:07.860
die with with that with an influenza but the but the way that things got out of control you've got this
01:55:16.260
complicating factor of people eating fistfuls of aspirin and it was cheap people could get their
01:55:22.980
hands on they could get their hands on it so it's hard to know if people were dying of influenza
01:55:27.700
or if they were dying of uh aspirin overdose that's an amazing story so it's so the the spanish flu
01:55:36.060
pandemic is always quoted as the pandemic that's happened before it'll happen again well let's let's
01:55:42.680
let's revisit let's let's let's find out let's have a clearer eyed view of exactly what did happen
01:55:47.320
so knowing that and turning down the vax and successfully fending off the attempts to inject your kids with
01:55:52.440
with whatever that was mrna vax um where how wary are you of taking any drugs
01:55:59.360
what's your most powerful adjective um i worry i worry about um you know i i lie in bed and i think god
01:56:10.900
what would i do if if i was injured and i needed a blood transfusion or if or if i needed um injections
01:56:19.040
of whatever how confident would i be of what was in the injections i could be i could be being told
01:56:24.800
one thing and and the reality being another and it might not even be the fault or the or the or the
01:56:29.520
action of the person administering it right that's right what exactly is in that vial oh well it said
01:56:34.340
i worry about i worry about exactly because you know clearly the astrazeneca product which was not an
01:56:42.880
mrna adenoviral yada dada different uh the mr that's been thrown under the bus but the mrna products
01:56:53.200
are still there pfizer moderna and we know that my government have invested hugely in mrna technology
01:57:03.240
this is going to be the platform for you know for the future of all sorts pharmaceuticals uh you know
01:57:11.020
included so i'm very very anxious about what's going to be out there and if i as i say if i if i
01:57:18.080
required as i'm sure i will and you know between now and you know popping my clogs i'll need i'll need
01:57:24.840
medical intervention and i would be i would be i would be anxious and i tell you i've traveled
01:57:30.780
extensively as have you and and in the years before i've had everything going and i've had
01:57:35.720
bad reactions to things i remember being really very unwell after my yellow fever me too i was and
01:57:41.220
you know typhoid yeah no to the point where i thought god i was away i was away from home when
01:57:45.880
the effects of it started hitting i thought oh my god i'm not sure i'm going to be able to work
01:57:48.880
this is dire so i've had you know i've had my stories to tell about but i've had everything i've
01:57:54.080
had japanese encephalitis jabs and hep this and hep that you name it i've i was an enthusiastic
01:58:00.320
you know to be well yeah you show up at the doctor before heading to africa or wherever and
01:58:04.820
they give you a whole list of shots i thought i thought vaccination was the was the way to go
01:58:09.240
and then of course they were only able to apply these products by changing the definition of vaccine
01:58:14.120
so the mrna technology specifically um is it i don't want that anywhere near me well of course not
01:58:21.840
but one of the things when the conspiracy theorists started talking about these drugs you know
01:58:28.360
really at the end of 2020 early 2021 they said well they could breach the blood brain barrier
01:58:34.980
and they could change people permanently they're gene therapies exactly that used to be that you
01:58:40.780
weren't allowed to say that i was putting that in monologues and having it taken out but now i can
01:58:45.680
say it because it's literally true and they admit that it is it is gene therapy mrna imagine if they
01:58:51.300
had gone out to the general population in 2020 and said we've got an experimental product
01:58:56.080
it will have some sort of effect on your dna but we can't honestly tell you how much if any uh it's
01:59:03.960
not safe because previously pharmaceutical would never by their own by their own industry standards
01:59:09.900
they would not have applied the word safe to cream that you put on a baby's bottom for nappy rash
01:59:15.440
that's right you can't call it safe so that's a dangerous word safe uh effective no
01:59:20.700
they knew going out that it wouldn't stop transmission because they hadn't tested to see
01:59:25.400
it would stop transmission so the whole safe and effective and take this not for you but just
01:59:30.080
make sure you don't kill loved ones was a lie that was that was lie after lie after lie
01:59:36.580
and and it was only we know all this it was only released under emergency use authorization
01:59:43.460
probably involving the the dod rather than big farm in any meaningful sense they knew going in
01:59:50.860
that there would be an adverse reaction for every 800 doses of every 800 dose would would see an
01:59:56.840
adverse reaction they got pages and pages of what the adverse reactions were going to be that pfizer
02:00:00.600
tried to bury for 75 years but you know wasn't able to do we were lied to and lied to and lied to
02:00:08.100
the question is why it was it was almost it was almost people were almost being thrown in jail
02:00:13.640
for knowing and saying that it was lies well and they in australia they were but the question is why
02:00:19.640
and and you sort of wonder like if does it change your dna do you notice a difference in people who
02:00:27.120
took it well we'll find out because the biggest the biggest test is the biggest human test in history
02:00:33.260
has been carried out it's longitudinal that's right we're waiting for the results now but what do you
02:00:36.920
think what's your instinct you were right before well i i listened very early on to the likes of um
02:00:43.020
uh the the german thai doctor uh suture at bactadi i think his name and he was he frightened to live
02:00:51.000
in daylights out of me three four years ago and he was saying then anyone anyone applying rna
02:00:58.260
anyone putting a product like this into people is taking part in the biggest crime against humanity
02:01:02.940
in the history of humanity and and for the sake of your honor for the sake of your family name
02:01:09.700
you must walk away from having anything to do with applying this product to anyone you must because
02:01:16.280
if you if you if you do this you will be taking part in the biggest crime against humanity i was
02:01:20.840
thinking my god who is this guy but it was something very he was a he was a credentialed serious
02:01:26.980
clinician research you know scientist person thought why would he why would he be saying
02:01:33.600
these things he must have reasons for saying these things um and so he he was very early on saying this
02:01:40.360
is gene therapy this is going this could change the dna of the cells in people's bodies and we already
02:01:49.340
think we're seeing that happening and i thought human behavior changed after the vax the inoculation
02:01:54.140
campaign i mean it did change human behavior changed people started living differently their
02:01:58.680
attitudes changed and what do you think people have been modified already yes i do i have no evidence
02:02:04.060
for that other than what i see and specifically how is it manifesting people seem much more compliant
02:02:09.180
actually and i think they seem broken now how to you know disaggregate all the different factors is
02:02:14.920
is beyond my capability i'm not god i don't know um but you know being locked indoors for a year
02:02:21.980
you know bereft of human contact and you know there are lots of different factors drinking and
02:02:26.480
drug use went way up screen time went way up um but there's no denying that people change the way
02:02:33.520
they lived and their attitudes really changed and if you have a drug that could potentially change
02:02:38.160
people's dna and i think there's evidence that it can i mean it can um why wouldn't you see
02:02:45.960
changes in behavior well i i again i say i i would simply wait and i would just i will see we will
02:02:52.900
we will see but when it comes to why that's the biggest thing that's ever happened in human history
02:02:56.340
it's the biggest thing that's ever happened in human it would be the biggest crime against
02:02:58.780
against humanity and in terms of changed behavior i think you also yes i believe i absolutely accept
02:03:05.560
that that we may well be seeing genetic change but people that part of our conversation earlier that
02:03:14.000
that thing about a test a sorting of people in a fairly binary uh choice to to find out that you
02:03:24.760
were that you got the biggest test of humanity wrong the big the big one here's the one you don't know
02:03:32.780
it's coming but it turned out that that was the test and to know that you or to suspect i'm i'm pretty
02:03:40.120
sure i called that wrong i did that i and people have seen that in themselves and that's a lot to
02:03:45.580
live with you know if you if i don't know if let's say you're lying in your bed at night family asleep
02:03:51.280
mum and dad before three four kids and the smoke alarm goes off and as dad you suddenly find yourself
02:04:01.380
standing out in the street having fled the house without even before you even had time to think
02:04:07.500
you realize that your instinct it turns out it's a false alarm anyway there's nothing to worry about
02:04:14.660
but nonetheless imagine if how would and then you go back in the house dad you didn't come for us
02:04:22.400
you ran out into the street and we were still in the house with the smoke that's the kind of
02:04:27.120
analogy i would draw so yes people may maybe the rna component of what of what happened would alter
02:04:34.620
people but i think people are altered by self-realization which is a pretty powerful drug
02:04:38.400
i completely agree with that and by the way in a society that literally sends women to war to defend
02:04:43.180
us i mean it's like so degraded at this point the concept of honor is sort of missing um i mean the
02:04:50.420
male survivors of the titanic live with shame uh of course you know you're a man how did you survive
02:04:55.320
that like women drown and you're you lived like really uh but i think we've lost touch with a lot
02:05:01.220
of that but that is a feature of of nature of the natural law that you referred to earlier and so
02:05:07.140
it's real whether we acknowledge it or not and i you know guys who are raped in prison or referred to
02:05:11.980
as bitches you know what i mean there's something once you submit or allow yourself to be treated as
02:05:17.500
something less than human it it changes you and of course being forced to take a drug into your body
02:05:23.440
whose effects you don't know that you don't want is an act of of true submit it is like getting
02:05:28.600
it is it's profound i mean we know it is profound you know the you know freud and the archetypes and
02:05:33.900
and the and the hero journey i mean all these things that we know about that that are the you know that
02:05:38.620
are the basis for for so much of our understanding of the human psyche you know that every every man
02:05:43.380
every person let's say but every man you know how it's supposed to go down into the belly of the
02:05:48.300
beast and you know in pursuit of the lost father and and rescued much like pinocchio does in the
02:05:55.160
whale goes and gets geppetto back out and becomes a real boy you know that that's the hero journey
02:06:00.180
and uh we know what what we're supposed to do that we'll be in order to in order to justify our
02:06:09.140
our three score and ten in this in this incarnated moment in time we'll we'll we should go on the
02:06:17.800
hero journey and and emerge as as as fathers in our own right able to fulfill that role we know
02:06:27.300
that's the hero journey and it's it's it's right there woven into us it's in everyone's it's in the
02:06:32.340
dna and and to have had your shot and not not going into the belly of the beast in pursuit of
02:06:41.280
you know you're taking up your role you've emasculated a lot of the population
02:06:45.880
uh-huh so whether or not the genetics have been altered which they may have been
02:06:51.040
that kind of self-realization is a damned hard bullet to chew
02:06:54.540
so does it strike you that what you the way that you think about people um is influenced by freud and by
02:07:04.640
people who think about human behavior in non-chemical terms in in moral spiritual terms
02:07:09.660
that whole way of thinking has kind of disappeared i mean that was a feature of our childhoods where
02:07:14.840
people would say well you have unresolved issues guilt whatever you didn't live up to your own
02:07:19.140
standards you take that with you now it's like you've got a chemical imbalance like we can't even
02:07:23.040
i don't think young people can even analyze human behavior in those terms i think it's part and
02:07:27.860
parcel of an anti-human agenda yes that that what what has been done fundamentally is anti-human
02:07:34.460
and it's being done to to people who see no inherent they don't know what it means to be human and alive
02:07:42.380
and and therefore they can be casual and contemptuous of people in account of billions because we have
02:07:53.240
because they have got away from the the sovereign human being that's right and and what it what it
02:08:01.480
means you know we don't we don't have we've barely barely floated a dugout canoe onto the pacific ocean
02:08:08.420
of the unknown as the human consciousness and then and but we've already got the the transhumanists
02:08:17.240
not the transgender the transhumanists who are already preaching that the human being mark one
02:08:22.860
is sub optimal and needs an upgrade via you know technology you know they want to they want to blend
02:08:31.880
humans with tech digitized you know ersatz human beings because the time of the biological human is
02:08:40.200
partly over but that is a that's a product of of the wrong kind of people not even asking what it
02:08:48.240
means to be human and alive right well it's a rebellion against god too i mean if you know as
02:08:53.440
christians certainly but i i think muslims and jews also certainly jews do believe that human beings
02:09:00.520
were created in god's image you know to deface that image is to attack god right and so to change to
02:09:08.280
declare people inherently inadequate um you know that's and that's a theological concept i think
02:09:14.880
it's all it's bound up with many as i say it's going to be a hundred years or more but you know
02:09:19.400
obviously you're like in in um in 1968 paul ehrlich wrote the population yeah and at the same time
02:09:26.340
actually garrett harden wrote the tragedy of the commons yes and they both speculated about the basic
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crapness and rubbishness of people in large numbers you know they'll just make a mess of everything
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and it was that return of that neo malthusian approach to people there's too many of them
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and they're not worth having anyway so this is going to be the ending of us and the predictions
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of ehrlich and so on were wrong you got it completely wrong and we i i i talk to people i interview people
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all the time who are saying and you'll be across this that uh birth rates are plummeting across the
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west it's not just in the west japan is poised to disappear in a hundred years there won't be any
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japanese people that's right so it's not even a western phenomenon uh swathes of of populations
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are not producing enough people to keep themselves going it's true in britain and france all across
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europe it's true in america it's really bad in america people are having like 1.4 1.5 children on
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average which is not enough to sustain you know and so and people are not appreciating that they are
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sitting in the in the cheap seats on a plane that is in a tailspin that may not it may not be possible
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even if you could get to the controls to pull the plane back into level flight it may have it may
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have gone beyond that point and so you and you've got that information out there at the same time as
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people like bill gates and others are saying we've got to check the human population we've got too many
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people and in a hundred years time there's not going to be anybody here well i'm being i'm using
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hyperbole but populations are in steep decline and it's the explanations for it are existential
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you know it has to do with maybe possibly falling fertility and god knows what we've done to fertility
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with these products that we've jammed into several billion people we'll see we'll see what the fertility
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consequences of all that are in due course i think we know i think we know but but in any event
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there's also people delaying having children and then when you know so many women when they when they do
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reach a point where they do want to have children they're now in their maybe their mid-30s their late
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30s the the relevant partner is not there at the right time and so they they miss that so there's
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also there's all sorts of existential reasons societal reasons for the for the plummeting but they got to
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work at a consulting firm in the ensuing years that's not enough but what i'm saying is that we know this
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and yet the malthusians are still out there banging the drum for fewer people they can't get rid of
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people fast enough they can't quickly enough deter people from having more people isn't that genocide
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like isn't that what that is yeah it's anti-species and again again it's it's coming down to people i
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think who who don't who are not properly invested in the future and they're certainly not invested in
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the future of humankind they're not they're not they're not giving their they're not giving their
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their their last measure of devotion but there's like a gut level hate so we had there's a football
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player you probably haven't followed this but in the united states kicker who gave us a college
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commencement speech the other day and in it he said i did trude and i watched it this morning
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oh by chance we watched it online now you're deeply steeped in the politics of the united states but
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then you saw how moderate it was he's like you know as you grow older you might want to like have
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kids because that's a source of enduring joy and all these politicians and cultural figures and
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i can't remember that chick's name but taylor swift some sort of fake entertainer like gets out there
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and you know denounces the guy as as a neanderthal and as evil because he suggests that having children
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may be more rewarding than your stupid career like what is that impulse like why would you be mad at
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someone for encouraging young people to have children like that's very weird to me i was
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listening to i was listening to jordan peterson years ago i mean i'm not claiming that as a badge
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of honor or anything just a fact i was listening way before everything that's happening at the moment i
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i came across him years and years ago i think it was courtesy of you know the the joe rogan experience
02:13:26.780
he was part of that the intellectual dark web remember the sam harris uh brett and heather brett
02:13:32.780
weinstein heather haying and and jordan peterson and and so on and i remember being really very
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profoundly struck by a lot of the things that that uh that peterson had to say about children
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and parenthood and for example i really remember i'm saying that you know so many people say they
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don't want to have a baby because it's going to uh interfere with their lifestyle and he said
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i really have to ask what kind of lifestyle is it that you can't take a baby with you
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and i thought yeah because we trudi and i went from we had our first and then we've got three
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they always came with us yes we just they just were there they were just then there were two of
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them and now there are three of them and they just went everywhere we just it didn't impinge on
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anything and obviously it goes without saying that it made our lives by by by inexpressible orders of
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magnitude richer and and yet you know but the abiding message out there is that oh no there's better
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things to do than be families that's anti-human at the at the basal level well so then i want to ask
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you just finally about one of the great trends in the west and it is only in the west uh is the
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climate hysteria how do you assess that that seems part of this larger whole it's a hoax it's a hoax in
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what sense in the well there's it's multi it's multifaceted i the the climate is changing because
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that's what the climate does yep like weather you know the climate changes we did have glaciers at
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one point yeah we we when they started when they started measuring temperature we were just coming
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out of the little ice age yes which had lasted for hundreds of years and temperatures were as low
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on planet earth as they'd been for thousands of years at that point so when it comes to measuring
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temperature there was only really one way for unless we were going to go extinct or go straight
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into another full ice age there was only one way for the temperatures to go which was up and so the
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fact that there has been sustained increase in temperature well it would be because it was coming
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from the bottom of the well the only way was up uh also it it's it used to be accepted as accepted fact
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that increasing carbon dioxide follows a rise in temperature it doesn't cause it right as the world
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gets warmer there is there's a kind of a several hundred year lag and then there's more carbon
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dioxide in the atmosphere as a consequence of that warming and so to to to tell people that carbon
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dioxide is causing the increase in temperature would be like seeing a horse and cart on a road from space
02:16:08.900
and imagining that the cart was pushing the horse because you could see it moving
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that would be how wrong you are it's the horse pulling the car and likewise co2 there's more of
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it once the planet's warmer by i think it's 800 years is the lag so there are all sorts of reasons for
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uh being aware that this way in which people are being frightened into thinking that there's a
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catastrophic apocalypse coming because they've got gas central heating and they drive fossil fuel cars
02:16:38.800
is a hoax there's a big complicated picture to do with the the the climate changing it used to be
02:16:46.680
called uh in the 70s i remember the documentary with leonard nimoy very well talking about you know
02:16:51.560
we're getting into an ice age that was just the 70s and then it became global warming but then because
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that isn't holding up it's become climate change well yeah of course climate changes and then in any
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event what's what's being done in in response to it is is not green and it's anti-human
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you know as advocates of fossil fuel say if we are if we are let's say we are going into a time of
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of climate uncertainty and instability that would be the very time you wouldn't want to do away with
02:17:21.180
the ability to cheaply and readily heat homes or air condition them that would be true as
02:17:26.800
appropriate i mean if something's going to happen this would be the you know you do not throw away
02:17:31.560
your matches you know at the time when you might need to light a fire and and also the um you know
02:17:39.700
the wind turbines that now are at the end of their life cycle and they're just being landfilled
02:17:43.680
these vast unrecyclable plastic things are just being buried in the ground they are being made in
02:17:51.200
any event using fossil fuels they can't be recycled electric cars that's just a means to to get people
02:17:58.400
out of their cars and and back onto i don't know horses or or shanks's pony or whatever um so it's
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it's not it's not green what is being done the the planet we're making a mess you know look what
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happens in the extraction of the the lithiums and other rare earth metals are required for electric
02:18:18.300
batteries look at the the child slavery that that entails look at the look at the scarification of the
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planet that's involved in the extraction of those things the destruction of ecosystems and habitats
02:18:30.360
in pursuit of green energy really seriously and the one you know the one clean green energy that
02:18:37.420
is available which is nuclear is strictly verboten because well but because we've been told that you
02:18:42.680
can't have nuclear energy so in europe you've seen a spate of um climate cultists destroying medieval
02:18:48.400
art you know it's never modern art it's always christian art but i've noticed but um but they've gone
02:18:54.360
into museums and spray painted or slash paintings i don't think you've seen any vandalism of private
02:18:59.780
planes at all so if you believe in the kind of schematic if you believe in the story of climate
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change as an existential threat you know the first thing you would do is get rid of private air travel
02:19:11.160
but that doesn't occur to anybody i don't understand like what is that what are we watching well you've
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got that you've got that bizarre situation where the the rich at the world economic forum in davos and
02:19:21.340
other places are openly saying that because of carbon credits us rich people will buy the carbon
02:19:26.680
credits of poor people that can't afford to go on holiday anyway and that will offset our private
02:19:31.720
jets and private yachts you're not using your carbon credits anyway because you can barely afford to
02:19:36.300
feed yourself or your family so you're definitely not going on holiday this year so i'll i'll i'll
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take i'll take your credit your carbon credits off your hand and i'll i'll use that to legitimize
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my the perpetuation of my luxurious lifestyle you know the hypocrisy of it the rubbing of people's
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noses in it is off the scale and again it's anti-human if if for want of the kind of farming
02:20:00.620
techniques and the and the and the fertilizers that we have there's very good reason for thinking
02:20:07.020
that half the world's population will starve to death for want of the kind of fertilizers that are made
02:20:12.340
from oil you know so they just stop oil so we're going to see famines i don't think there's any doubt
02:20:17.460
about that soon and when that happens what you know will people blame each other as they've been
02:20:23.220
instructed to do or will they finally figure out that this is all manufactured i think again being
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being being absolutely it being an inalienable responsibility to be positive i would have to
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answer yes to that question that more more people do well i can say for one i see it now and i didn't
02:20:40.340
used to so i've added to the count by one and trudi sees it and she didn't used to so that's two and
02:20:46.180
our kids do so that's five you know so just in my immediate circle i'm seeing people wakening up
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on a very personal level so so yes i do i do think that that enough people are seeing the the way in
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which we are being played we are being an attempt a galactic scale attempt to pull the wool over our
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eyes is is going on and more and more people are seeing it and they're seeing that people are being
02:21:15.920
uprooted from their their homelands and have been for generations and they are turning up where they
02:21:22.840
you know maybe oughtn't to be and instead of people in in you know uh pausing for a moment to
02:21:32.100
think why is this disruption happening they just get angry with the victims of it and i'm not saying
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i'm not i'm not i mean i'm sure there are i'm sure there are uh bad lads and and and criminals and
02:21:43.860
absolutely the sort of people of whatever creed and color that you wouldn't want in your communities
02:21:48.040
i do i see i get that absolutely but they wouldn't be here if governments and ngos hadn't brought
02:21:53.120
them but the bigger picture is i mean look at the you know they're building a bridge in the darien
02:21:56.480
gap to make it easier for the ngos and the who and the un and the rest of them to to drive people
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into the united states from the south if you can if as i say i'm i'm seeing it and and more and more
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people are seeing and all it all it really takes is for people to realize that the trouble is not
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beside you it's above you and there's not it's not a big it's not a big group and actually their
02:22:21.120
techniques are old worn out and transparent from overuse and you know there's nothing to fear but
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the fear they sow i would say i can't believe that i am more pessimistic than a scott
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well you've probably got scottish genes i do but there's no but there's that's a zero sum game
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tucker you can't you've got to be you've got to you've got to it's like it's like taking your
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castor oil it's like taking your you've got to you've got to you've got to be optimistic because
02:22:54.600
it's your it's your obligation it's nothing less than your obligation to force yourself to be
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optimistic you can't you cannot go to the to the dark side until it's all over in which case it
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won't matter anyway but i don't think i don't think so neil oliver thank you on that i appreciate it
02:23:16.140
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