The Tucker Carlson Show - New Underwater UFO Sightings and the Non-Human Tech the Government Is Hiding ｜ Rep. Tim Burchett

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00:00:30.000 Thank you, Congressman, for doing this.

00:00:31.660 I never talk about UFOs.

00:00:32.940 It's Tim.

00:00:33.560 Thank you, Tim.

00:00:35.000 Never talk about UFOs.

00:00:36.360 We don't do shows on UFOs, UAPs, whatever they're calling them,

00:00:38.840 these mysterious lights, these objects.

00:00:40.640 Because I know for a dead certain fact that there is an ongoing,

00:00:44.720 70-year ongoing disinformation campaign by the U.S. government to sow confusion.

00:00:51.200 Some people participating in that effort,

00:00:53.560 I don't think they know they're participating in the effort,

00:00:55.740 but they are nevertheless selling lies in an effort to get people off the trail

00:01:01.900 of what this really is.

00:01:03.000 There is something going on.

00:01:04.420 What is it?

00:01:05.400 It's so hard to know.

00:01:07.140 You're one of the few people, from my perspective, who seems sincere.

00:01:11.880 You're also informed as a member of Congress.

00:01:14.420 And so I'm just grateful that you're doing this

00:01:16.480 because I think you're going to be telling the truth.

00:01:19.180 So what are these things?

00:01:42.720 Well, I don't know.

00:01:43.780 I think there's a lot of different misconceptions about them.

00:01:49.220 And I kind of came into it organically, I guess.

00:01:52.240 I had pretty cool parents.

00:01:53.440 They would just take me to the library and just let me stay.

00:01:57.560 Or I'd ride my bike over and stay a couple hours.

00:01:59.660 I grew up in the 70s in Tennessee.

00:02:02.000 And I guess now you'd probably be taking to DCS or something for that.

00:02:06.500 But I went in there, and I can remember there was a stack of books on a thing.

00:02:10.500 And they had all the something on maybe the occult or something like that,

00:02:16.360 and then Bigfoot, and then there's something on UFOs.

00:02:19.480 And I picked up the UFO book, started reading about it, and it just fascinated me.

00:02:23.640 And I read the Bible.

00:02:25.440 I'm a Christian.

00:02:26.140 I'm not a very good one, obviously, by my chosen profession.

00:02:29.100 But, you know, the Bible talks about Ezekiel saw the wheel.

00:02:36.520 And people always say, well, that was a dream.

00:02:39.140 And they always try to over-explain things in the Bible.

00:02:41.680 And I just think it's written for simple folks like me.

00:02:45.980 I agree with that.

00:02:46.780 And it was a translation, though.

00:02:49.340 And at the time, the most technologically advanced item that they had was a wheel.

00:02:53.940 And it describes a wheel within a wheel.

00:02:56.400 Exactly.

00:02:56.720 And it describes a landing gear and all these other things that we would today say are modern-day flying saucers.

00:03:03.820 And it's pretty specific, and it's a pretty, the Ezekiel passage you're referring to is,

00:03:09.440 it's not just like a parenthetical note.

00:03:12.260 It's like a whole description.

00:03:13.920 Oh, yeah, he goes into it, he describes, I think, the landing gear, in some translations,

00:03:19.780 it talks about it being hooves of animals, like the hoof of an animal,

00:03:23.660 which if you see, you know, you see when we went to the moon, that there's the landing gear,

00:03:30.400 you know, it's got a pad, if we actually went to the moon.

00:03:33.940 I know there's a lot of people there that don't believe it.

00:03:36.300 I'm arching my eyebrows, but we're afraid from comment.

00:03:38.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:39.240 But the, but, but, so, I'm laying on my couch, fast forward, I'm in Congress.

00:03:46.160 I'm laying on my couch, and I'm getting ready to go to sleep.

00:03:49.360 I sleep in my office and shower in the gym.

00:03:52.960 I'm not, as my banker says, he called me one day and said, he said, he said, brother, you're,

00:03:58.140 he said, I'm pretty sure that you're the most honest member of Congress, but I know you're the poorest.

00:04:03.580 So, so I, I do that.

00:04:06.380 And, and so I was watching, there was a thing on UFOs, and they were talking about some former members were involved in some stuff,

00:04:14.300 trying to find out something.

00:04:15.540 And I thought, you know, I'm going to start asking some questions.

00:04:17.460 And then I'm walking down the street, and the center of all media in Washington, D.C., TMZ, his name's Colin.

00:04:25.000 He's a good friend of mine.

00:04:26.580 We've been to lunch and hang out some, but he, he stopped me, and I didn't know who he was.

00:04:31.920 And he said, hey, I'm with TMZ.

00:04:33.520 He said, what do you think about this UFO report that's getting ready to come out?

00:04:36.580 And I said, I said, brother, it'll look like it was shot with a shotgun, because it'll be, it would be all redacted.

00:04:42.400 Oh, yeah.

00:04:42.780 And, and then, and I said, and if it, and it won't come out when they say it's going to come out.

00:04:49.220 And I said, really, why?

00:04:50.400 And I said, well, probably because the original report is probably going to have something in it, and they're going to pull it back.

00:04:56.080 And sure enough, they did, and it was heavily redacted, and it was just a big fluff piece, nothing.

00:05:00.340 And then I said the magic words, which ended up putting on one of my T-shirts, which I sell on my website, that more people believe in UFOs than believe in Congress.

00:05:10.920 And, and for good reason.

00:05:12.180 And for great reason.

00:05:14.140 And so, people started calling me, you know, all these national figures that you see, reporters, legitimate reporters like yourself, people from all over the country.

00:05:23.660 And so, I started asking questions, and, and I get with Luna and some other folks.

00:05:31.800 Matt Gates was involved in it at the time.

00:05:34.320 And we, we went to the chairman and said, let's have a, let's have a hearing.

00:05:41.660 And I think they really, Tucker, I think they just patted us on the head and said, sure, we'll have the hearing, you know, and they're going to make fun of you and go on.

00:05:48.080 And it turned out, I talked to some old timers that were there, reporters.

00:05:53.360 They said that was the most, the most attended hearing they'd ever had.

00:05:59.160 They had to open up another room, and there were people lined up down the hall.

00:06:02.540 When I walked out at, I see it was, I guess in the morning, I walked out of office, had to be on an early show about it.

00:06:10.900 At 4.30 in the morning, people were already lined up outside the building.

00:06:14.320 And they come from all over the country.

00:06:15.580 One guy came on his vacation, and there was ministers there, there's people.

00:06:19.160 So it really touched a nerve.

00:06:21.200 And, you know.

00:06:22.100 Because you're hoping for disclosure.

00:06:23.740 That's exactly right, the truth. 1.00

00:06:25.180 And they're tired of being told they're idiots. 0.99

00:06:27.480 And, you know, and the funny thing about it all is, is that when I go to speak to groups, it never fails that somebody of prominence, of prominence, will come, a doctor, a lawyer, a PR person will come up to me and say, hey, I had an experience. 0.99

00:06:43.220 I was sitting at a, I was helping out a colleague.

00:06:45.940 I rarely go out of town.

00:06:48.240 This is kind of unusual for me.

00:06:49.700 So this is kind of an interesting deal for me up here.

00:06:52.800 But I went to another congressman's district to help him run for re-election.

00:06:57.880 We were sitting in a country club.

00:06:59.980 And I'm not a country clubber type, as you can probably tell.

00:07:04.440 Jackie Gleason said, I wouldn't join a country club.

00:07:06.440 It'd have somebody like me.

00:07:07.500 And I'm sort of like that way.

00:07:08.560 You know, and I sit next to this lady, and she was classy. 1.00

00:07:12.320 You could tell she was old money.

00:07:14.820 She wasn't new money.

00:07:15.840 She wasn't, she had nice jewelry on. 0.99

00:07:18.320 And she had the clothes you could tell were nice.

00:07:21.700 And she was, she was just a classy lady. 1.00

00:07:23.900 And she said, she said, Congressman, about those UFOs.

00:07:28.060 And I thought, well, here it comes.

00:07:29.760 You know, I'm going to get popped.

00:07:30.840 And she said, I had an experience when I was, when I was in college.

00:07:36.520 She said, she talked about going to pick up her, her brother.

00:07:41.180 And this thing followed them down for several minutes.

00:07:45.640 You know, it was cylindrical shaped.

00:07:50.380 And it followed them.

00:07:51.740 It was, I think it was close to dark.

00:07:53.780 And it was kind of lit up.

00:07:55.180 It had a, I think a bluish tint to it or something.

00:07:58.120 And it flew, it followed them for quite some time.

00:08:01.240 And then it just took off.

00:08:02.460 And they were like, what in the world was that?

00:08:04.340 And they, you know, this was in the 70s.

00:08:06.680 And she said, I really haven't really told many people that.

00:08:10.700 And I get stories like that.

00:08:12.040 I had a, and when they film you, when I was early on in Congress,

00:08:16.960 I had plenty of time, obviously.

00:08:19.300 It being the 435th most powerful member of Congress.

00:08:22.540 And, you know, these history channel, all these folks would come interview me.

00:08:26.160 And they would do it one time, they interviewed me for like an hour.

00:08:28.480 So they would take segments of that and put that out for just multiple issues,

00:08:33.300 you know, of their TV show, hunting UFOs or whatever.

00:08:37.140 And I remember I was in Nashville at the time.

00:08:39.560 And a colleague, a former state legislator, a guy who was in leadership, called me up.

00:08:44.740 And I remember he, and it was kind of ironic that he was back in East Tennessee.

00:08:49.560 And I was in Nashville for a get-together I was throwing for our state legislators

00:08:54.280 because nobody ever, when I was in legislature, nobody ever did anything for us from Congress.

00:08:58.380 And I just get down there and throw them a spaghetti dinner or something, you know.

00:09:02.440 And the phone rang, and it was him.

00:09:04.000 And he said, Timbo, he said, I just saw you on TV on the UFO show.

00:09:08.560 And I said, really?

00:09:10.300 And I thought, here it comes.

00:09:11.480 He's going to pop me.

00:09:13.100 He said, let me tell you a story about when I was in the Navy.

00:09:15.840 And he's older, and he was hollering back at his wife, what year was that?

00:09:19.440 And she would holler, I think it was in the late 50s.

00:09:22.200 And he was on a, I believe it's a tin can, but that's a destroyer, probably no more.

00:09:27.060 But anyway, he was in the Navy, and he said they were,

00:09:30.100 it was early on when they were first putting nuclear missiles on subs.

00:09:36.460 They were unloading a missile for the sub.

00:09:39.320 And he said, the sub got out there, and then this thing just flew over the top of them.

00:09:44.140 He said, I remember him, he said, Timbo, if that thing was two city blocks,

00:09:48.800 it was, and it had to be two city blocks wide.

00:09:51.900 He said it was cylindrical, and he named it, and he described it.

00:09:55.460 And then he said it, he said, and just took off.

00:10:00.720 No noise, no heat, no vapor, nothing.

00:10:04.120 And they all just stood there, and were talking, and they're going,

00:10:07.160 what the heck was that?

00:10:08.600 But, you know, and then they get back on shore, they go back to shore.

00:10:12.440 And he said that, you know, the men in the suit, he said, I figured it was CIA or something.

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00:14:06.700 So that attitude has not changed.

00:14:08.400 Not one bit.

00:14:09.120 No.

00:14:09.640 And the question is, why?

00:14:12.160 You know, why would the U.S. government have an interest in lying about something that's visible to millions of people around the world?

00:14:19.800 So many people, as you just said, have had the experience of seeing them in person.

00:14:24.000 Why would they have an interest in hurting those people, calling them crazy, threatening them, etc.?

00:14:31.380 So tell us about your experience as you've pushed for more disclosure.

00:14:36.320 What kind of reaction have you received?

00:14:37.680 I think the arrogance from the federal government, there's a control thing that you see in every aspect of government.

00:14:44.400 Everybody in power wants to keep you out of their little circle of power.

00:14:48.520 Yeah, of course.

00:14:49.020 And I think the monetary concern is there.

00:14:53.300 Could you imagine if they had something that could heat homes in the winter and cool them in the summer and had zero cost?

00:15:08.540 I mean, it would put everybody out of business.

00:15:12.320 The war pimps at the Pentagon would have to go out of business.

00:15:15.140 We wouldn't have to be in wars all over the world, which if you get down to it, it's about oil.

00:15:20.480 It's always about oil.

00:15:21.500 And so you've got the greed factor, you've got the power factor, and then you've got just the arrogance. 0.99

00:15:29.400 The Bible talks about professing themselves to be wives that became fools. 0.99

00:15:32.620 That's right. 0.98

00:15:32.960 And there's nobody in Washington that doesn't think they're wise.

00:15:35.880 I wonder, though, I mean, for sure.

00:15:38.540 So you think this is an effort to hide the existence of superior technology because it's a threat to existing industry?

00:15:46.540 I think that's part of it.

00:15:47.840 But it's like this.

00:15:49.820 We're motorcycle guys.

00:15:51.500 Say I took a brand-new Indian or Harley-Davidson back in time to the Mayflower or whatever and gave it to them. 0.99

00:16:01.080 You know, they would maybe shine it.

00:16:03.440 They wouldn't know how to do anything.

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00:16:09.760 They probably couldn't ever make the fuel high enough octane where it'd kick it off.

00:16:13.520 They maybe could get it started if they got lucky at some point.

00:16:16.980 Right.

00:16:17.280 But that would be a rarity.

00:16:18.720 I think that's sort of if there is something that they can't, they don't know what it is.

00:16:23.600 And I think, too, they have compartmentalized this stuff.

00:16:28.280 So you think FOIA.

00:16:29.260 I'm going to Freedom of Information.

00:16:30.540 Everybody says, well, just Freedom of Information at Birchick.

00:16:32.980 Go to Area 51.

00:16:34.260 There's nothing at Area 51.

00:16:35.720 They've moved it to Wright-Patt or something else since then.

00:16:38.280 But the point is, is that everybody in government is looking down the barrel or looking in their little area.

00:16:46.320 And to their knowledge, most of those people are telling the truth.

00:16:49.660 And they sent it off to these, there's five or six corporations that it's been disclosed in hearings that we think probably has some of this technology.

00:17:01.640 But it has been so compartmentalized that people, I mean, there's nobody alive that was around in Roswell of 47.

00:17:07.320 That's right.

00:17:08.160 And incidents that happened in Texas and others all over the world.

00:17:12.360 And so they don't really know what they're looking at.

00:17:15.500 They're looking at something.

00:17:16.360 And they've associated it or given it to these corporations that have a quasi-governmental connection.

00:17:24.060 But they're far enough apart where I can't go FOIA.

00:17:26.340 I can't go FOIA forward.

00:17:27.720 I mean, I could, but they're just going to tell me, go jump in the lake.

00:17:30.440 I'm not going to tell you.

00:17:31.460 But I guess I'm stumbling over kind of the most basic claim that they make,

00:17:36.420 which is that all this information is classified.

00:17:39.460 Yeah.

00:17:39.960 On what grounds could the federal government justify classifying reports of things that its servicemen have seen?

00:17:48.420 Every time it's national security, Tucker.

00:17:50.060 But what does that mean?

00:17:51.240 I don't know.

00:17:52.040 But you have a group of people that are so afraid of the industrial war machine that funds their campaigns.

00:17:58.680 So you go to these, you look at all the people that stop.

00:18:02.600 When I have a disclosure bill, I just want to know.

00:18:05.040 I'm not saying they're out there, but we're spending tens of millions.

00:18:07.720 Every department, FBI, CIA, I'm pretty sure TVA doesn't, but they probably should.

00:18:14.580 But there's probably every alphabet agency in the country has a wing that's investigating these things.

00:18:21.600 NASA.

00:18:22.320 They are all doing it.

00:18:23.240 They're all doing it.

00:18:23.820 And they'll admit that they're looking at something.

00:18:25.940 But then you come to them, they say they don't exist, but we need the money to do it.

00:18:29.600 And now the interesting thing is.

00:18:31.200 And that's in the budget.

00:18:32.120 Oh, yeah.

00:18:33.200 And now the interesting thing is that they've seen that the opinion polls are showing that over half the people in the country believe something else is going on.

00:18:45.480 Of course.

00:18:46.240 And so now they're saying, hey, we need money to study this.

00:18:49.800 I mean, it's the cat going after its tail, really.

00:18:53.340 And it's just a circular thing that they just have their money and they don't really care.

00:18:57.960 Of course.

00:18:59.260 They don't.

00:19:00.120 That's for sure.

00:19:00.940 But there is a process by which the Congress demands disclosure.

00:19:06.380 And that process has been thwarted.

00:19:08.080 And I'm just interested in getting details on how that happened.

00:19:11.120 So the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023, I think.

00:19:13.760 Yeah.

00:19:15.000 Required disclosure.

00:19:16.560 That passed, right?

00:19:18.400 Allegedly.

00:19:19.100 But again, who's going to enforce it?

00:19:22.820 So, but what did that, do you remember what that act required?

00:19:26.040 It is, I do not believe it passed.

00:19:28.640 The one that I'm thinking about did not pass in the Senate because, remember, I had the bill.

00:19:33.700 It was two pages long for disclosure.

00:19:36.100 What did it say?

00:19:36.540 And then it just said, if it dealt with UAPs, UFOs, it disclosed it.

00:19:40.560 If a file contains it, America has the right to see it, unredacted.

00:19:45.980 And Chuck Schumer's was several hundred pages long.

00:19:48.880 And it was celebrated by everybody.

00:19:51.400 And it set up a commission very similar to the Kennedy assassination, which here we are, you know, 60 plus years later.

00:19:59.220 And still, you know, they're telling us this single bullet that was, you're a gunman that they found on a gurney that was basically unscratched.

00:20:08.100 You know, an hour and a half after the assassination in the hospital at Lakeland.

00:20:13.740 After going through two bodies.

00:20:14.720 After two bodies and bone and everything else.

00:20:17.040 And it doesn't, it just, but anyway.

00:20:18.740 So, but Schumer's solution was we needed a warrant commission to tell us the truth about UAPs.

00:20:24.880 Yeah, to who can decide.

00:20:25.720 And that basically would just cover it up.

00:20:28.440 And I trust America.

00:20:29.720 So why would, of course, of course, there's, but why would Chuck Schumer do that?

00:20:35.900 Like, what's his motive?

00:20:37.260 Do you have any idea?

00:20:38.100 I think his staffers drew up the bill.

00:20:40.400 And I think, honestly, in their mind, they probably thought it was the right thing.

00:20:45.520 But here's my thing about staffers.

00:20:47.700 Everybody wants to talk about, you know, the swamp.

00:20:51.700 And I always go through this.

00:20:52.680 A swamp is something pretty cool.

00:20:54.320 God created a swamp.

00:20:55.600 I grew up frog gigging and fishing around swamps.

00:20:59.220 They're pretty cool.

00:21:00.060 They attract animals for good reason.

00:21:01.880 And so Washington, D.C. is not a swamp.

00:21:08.780 It is a sewer.

00:21:09.720 It is a man-made creation.

00:21:11.700 Now, figure this.

00:21:12.420 You've got a staffer.

00:21:14.660 And Republicans, we're supposed to be less government.

00:21:18.240 I look at these, we get these pictures made every year, every couple years.

00:21:22.300 I don't know why.

00:21:23.140 I've never seen the picture.

00:21:24.360 I'm not going to hang it up my dadgum office of your committee, you know, and all the people

00:21:27.940 on the committee and then all the staffers behind it.

00:21:30.280 I counted one time on ours, I think it was close in one of my committees, close to 50

00:21:34.920 people.

00:21:35.680 And I guess for the Democrats, we get 49 people.

00:21:38.420 You know, we're supposed to be less government.

00:21:40.560 So you have a staffer say that, and the committees are just too big.

00:21:45.040 And too many of these chairmen, the biggest mistake they make is we're going to be different.

00:21:49.080 We're going to be different.

00:21:49.740 And what do they do?

00:21:50.820 They keep almost every dadgum staffer.

00:21:53.180 And the staffer is already plugged in with the lobbyists, with the K Street crowd.

00:21:56.640 And they're the ones probably getting a little trip somewhere, maybe going out for a steak

00:22:00.800 dinner, going out for drinks, and they're compromised.

00:22:03.880 And so I can't tell you how many times I've seen a good bill become a study bill.

00:22:10.780 I completely agree.

00:22:11.660 Except in most cases, it's like obvious why industry would want to subvert the legislation.

00:22:18.980 Like they don't want the regulation.

00:22:20.780 They don't want competition.

00:22:22.940 You know, there are a lot of different obvious reasons, and you sort of see how the staffs

00:22:26.460 are paid off.

00:22:26.980 I get it.

00:22:27.940 But UFOs, like, is there a UFO lobby?

00:22:31.100 Like, who wants that?

00:22:32.560 Who's paying for that? 0.60

00:22:33.300 I think.

00:22:33.700 And why?

00:22:34.300 I think you've got major technology corporations, aeronautics, some of our missile defense people.

00:22:43.060 For some reason, they do not want this released.

00:22:46.080 That's very weird.

00:22:47.400 Because whatever's going on is clearly, or would seem to be, a threat to them.

00:22:51.680 Well, look at the...

00:22:52.440 You don't control your airspace, which we don't.

00:22:54.880 Right.

00:22:55.340 Why is that not a problem for Raytheon?

00:22:57.960 Look at the financial disclosure of the people that always fight me on these bills.

00:23:02.600 That's what I would tell you to do.

00:23:04.240 And if we were to do that, I can think of one...

00:23:07.120 You see the names of a couple of those corporations.

00:23:11.100 So, it's defense contractors, or the bottom line is, I think what you're saying is the

00:23:16.100 defense contractors, for some reason, we can only speculate, don't want this information

00:23:20.560 disclosed.

00:23:21.320 That's correct.

00:23:23.080 Well, that's a very powerful lobby, of course.

00:23:25.700 It's one of the most powerful ones.

00:23:27.060 That's why we're sending $600 million to Ukraine and the national defense authors, which I didn't

00:23:34.140 vote for.

00:23:34.680 I wanted to give our military more money, military fighting men more than my money, but I didn't

00:23:40.280 want to give the war pimps any more reason to Ukraine or any of these other wars we're

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00:23:45.640 And the interesting thing about the $600 million, I was told by our leadership and in our conference

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00:23:55.640 And then I talked to the White House, and guess what?

00:23:58.220 The president had not requested that.

00:24:00.180 That's right.

00:24:01.120 Just $600 million, though, Barchett.

00:24:03.040 What's that?

00:24:03.400 Were they going to do with that?

00:24:04.060 I watch people jump.

00:24:05.260 I mean, I'm not the world's great Trump expert, but I feel like I paid pretty close attention.

00:24:09.880 I hear these people jump up and down.

00:24:11.520 Trump, this is in the name of Trump.

00:24:13.360 It's like, that's the opposite of what I think he wants, but whatever.

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00:26:31.040 Um, so I'm not surprised by anything that you've said, but I do think it raises like

00:26:35.380 the core question, which I still am confused by.

00:26:38.600 It's like, why would Raytheon be so opposed to the disclosure of this information?

00:26:43.020 So what exactly happened?

00:26:45.220 Where are we with disclosure?

00:26:46.800 A lot of people think that they're, that these folks are the ones that have the material from

00:26:50.880 whatever craft or whatever it is.

00:26:52.940 That's what I've been told by people in government and that are in the know.

00:26:58.000 And I've, you know, it's funny.

00:27:01.080 It was like, um, it was like-

00:27:02.760 These companies have benefited from technology from whatever these things are.

00:27:06.260 Apparently that's what they're telling me.

00:27:07.800 Yeah.

00:27:08.520 And inform people, not just people.

00:27:10.480 No, not just some guy on the street.

00:27:11.980 And it's funny, I've, I've had a, um, the deep throat moment, you know, where Nixon, um,

00:27:18.140 was overthrown and, and somebody comes up to me in the hallway, in a crowded hallway, uh,

00:27:24.840 somebody who I would be consider a friend and said, Birchit, man, you really don't need

00:27:29.400 to be doing this stuff, don't you?

00:27:30.680 Man, you're kicking the hornet's nest on this thing, you know?

00:27:33.420 On the UFO stuff.

00:27:34.240 Yeah.

00:27:34.540 Oh yeah.

00:27:35.120 Oh yeah.

00:27:35.760 Oh yeah.

00:27:36.720 And, um, I've had them try to use it against me in campaigns and things, but, you know,

00:27:42.300 they don't, we don't ever raise enough money to, to matter anyway.

00:27:45.580 Use against you in campaigns.

00:27:46.760 Yeah.

00:27:47.560 And the whisper campaign, or they put it on the internet, Birchit's, you know, all he

00:27:51.980 cares about is this.

00:27:52.820 No, I just care about where's the tens of millions of dollars going.

00:27:56.140 I have a right to know.

00:27:57.240 Well, also like, this is the biggest story in our, in human history.

00:28:01.320 Yeah.

00:28:01.520 I would think, I mean, like, what is that?

00:28:03.320 Are we alone?

00:28:04.180 Yeah.

00:28:05.040 Clearly not.

00:28:06.040 And so you're satisfied just to get to basics here quickly.

00:28:08.780 You're satisfied that whatever we're seeing in the skies and have since at least the second

00:28:14.280 world war, since at least the development of nuclear weapons.

00:28:17.160 Yeah.

00:28:18.000 Since Hiroshima, whatever that is, is not foreign military.

00:28:22.600 No.

00:28:23.120 Cause here, here it is.

00:28:24.400 If it was Russian, I mean, honestly, Putin with his ego, he would ride bear chested down

00:28:30.020 Pennsylvania Avenue, get out of UFO, you know, wrestle a, a, a bear on the front porch of the,

00:28:37.360 of the white house and get back into UFO.

00:28:39.320 I mean, we, he wouldn't be bogged down in Ukraine.

00:28:41.360 If it was China, they would own us. 1.00

00:28:43.340 They clearly partially own us now.

00:28:45.720 And if it was America, you know, you wouldn't see Trump standing on a, um, an aircraft carrier

00:28:50.980 and a, um, a jet flies by and breaks a sound barrier and everybody freaks, thinks that's

00:28:55.620 the coolest thing.

00:28:56.260 And I mean, it would be something a lot cooler than that.

00:28:59.000 And so I just don't think we have that technology or we're able to utilize it.

00:29:03.200 So you've, so in the course of your probing into this, no one's ever taken you aside and

00:29:08.100 said, Hey, Burchett, back off a little bit.

00:29:09.980 This is our stuff.

00:29:11.140 We don't want to disclose it.

00:29:13.940 Pretty close to that.

00:29:15.760 Pretty close to that.

00:29:17.280 But you don't believe it.

00:29:18.200 You don't think this is our technology.

00:29:20.040 No, I do not.

00:29:21.180 There's no way it is our tech.

00:29:22.560 No way it's our technology.

00:29:24.200 There's a, and I've talked to too many pilots.

00:29:26.900 Why would we risk, why would we risk our best?

00:29:31.460 I mean, I've talked to the best, I've talked to the best pilots in the world that are ours.

00:29:35.840 Some of them, not all of them.

00:29:37.900 And that have told me, I mean, one guy, I remember I was at the Capitol Hill Club.

00:29:41.220 It was just an unusual encounter.

00:29:42.740 A guy had spoke to a group and, and he followed me out and said, you know, Tim or Congressman

00:29:48.440 or whatever, he said, he said, that thing was 14 feet.

00:29:51.260 And he went like this from my canopy.

00:29:53.240 And I thought to myself, why didn't he say 15?

00:29:56.080 Why didn't he say 20?

00:29:56.960 But he said 14.

00:29:57.820 And then he just, he said, this thing, it wasn't ours.

00:30:02.860 And he said, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't ours.

00:30:05.680 And that's all he said.

00:30:06.940 And I had a very high ranking member of the Navy describe some underwater experiences they'd had

00:30:14.680 with something that was doing 200 miles.

00:30:16.820 And the best thing we got is probably 40.

00:30:18.700 It was doing 200 miles an hour underwater.

00:30:20.540 Underwater.

00:30:21.320 Big as a football field.

00:30:22.620 And that's no fish.

00:30:23.580 So is it possible, given our current understanding of physics, for any man-made machine to go

00:30:30.500 anywhere near 200 miles an hour underwater?

00:30:32.500 Not with our technology, no.

00:30:34.060 The best we have is probably in the, in the high thirties.

00:30:37.420 And he was converting it.

00:30:38.540 Of course, knots is what the Navy guys would do, but there's nothing.

00:30:41.620 If I fire a .30-06 or any high caliber rifle underwater, it doesn't go 200 miles an hour.

00:30:46.880 I can, I can probably catch it in the length of a swimming pool or so.

00:30:50.900 Yeah, or it just falls down.

00:30:53.580 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:30:54.360 I mean, it's like.

00:30:55.100 So we've got, and this was, this was described to me in areas, and I was quoted on, I was

00:31:01.620 just, all I do is quote people that are, that are, that have knowledge.

00:31:05.100 But this was one that was, he was talking about, there are five or six, I think, deep

00:31:10.760 water areas of the ocean.

00:31:12.860 You've traveled a lot.

00:31:14.160 I have not.

00:31:14.740 Um, there's not a lot of deep water areas around, around East Tennessee at Fort Loudon

00:31:20.420 Lake or anything, but, you know, talking miles deep.

00:31:23.240 And of course, you've heard this before.

00:31:25.060 We know more about the surface of the moon than we do the surface of the ocean.

00:31:27.840 And he said, these are areas where we see a high propensity of these UFOs.

00:31:32.220 And there was a case where, um, it was fairly well documented.

00:31:35.660 Um, they, uh, uh, had a, uh, multiple sightings.

00:31:41.240 They were doing, uh, maneuvers and had the, the ships or boats, whatever you want to call

00:31:45.340 them out there.

00:31:45.700 I'm not a Navy guy.

00:31:47.140 And, um, and there was the sighting in the air and these pilots radioed back and said,

00:31:54.680 Hey, is there something going on?

00:31:56.220 Is there another operation?

00:31:57.460 We got some secret technology stuff we're working on.

00:32:00.280 I said, we don't have any.

00:32:01.420 And they, you know, Pentagon, nobody, nobody knew about anything.

00:32:04.280 And they pulled it back and then, um, they pulled everything back, scrubbed the mission.

00:32:09.740 And then the next day, all their internet traffic had been scrubbed, but this guy was kind of

00:32:15.100 a wonk and he'd made copies of it.

00:32:17.400 But my, uh, you know, uh, the point I have there is why would we risk multi-million dollar

00:32:24.980 apparatus and why would we put something in the air around our best pilots that could have

00:32:31.300 a crash?

00:32:31.800 Because these guys are talking about, there's actually, you know, they've had come close

00:32:35.680 to collisions.

00:32:36.560 Why would they do that?

00:32:37.460 They would not do that. 1.00

00:32:38.380 That would be stupid. 0.99

00:32:39.420 I mean, there's even, even, you know, I always say military intelligence, so like congressional 0.99

00:32:43.760 ethics, I don't think it really exists much anymore.

00:32:46.840 But, um, anyway, it's, um, I just don't think that we'd be risking that.

00:32:52.520 So that, that, that's my proof that it's not ours.

00:32:54.740 So how many, uh, military personnel have you spoken to about their personal experiences

00:33:00.220 with these things?

00:33:01.120 I'd say, well, I don't know, eight or nine, 10, maybe, you know, but I have to be real

00:33:07.380 careful because I'm, I'm clearly somebody out there and I'm not backing down on it.

00:33:12.160 I'm not ashamed of it or anything, but I don't, I don't.

00:33:14.080 You have no reason to be ashamed of it.

00:33:15.540 No.

00:33:15.660 Why would you be ashamed of it?

00:33:16.640 Well, that's what they try to do is they try to shame people.

00:33:18.960 Oh, are you, are you, are you hiding relevant secrets from the American public?

00:33:22.300 I don't think you are.

00:33:23.120 No, but.

00:33:24.000 Why aren't they ashamed?

00:33:25.060 Well, I have to be careful about the white flags, the stuff they bring, stuff bring, 1.00

00:33:29.280 people bring me that's not real.

00:33:31.360 Well, that's, that's why we're talking to you.

00:33:33.460 Yeah.

00:33:33.860 Well, that's it.

00:33:34.460 I've had a lot of people come to me with stuff like that.

00:33:36.300 Yeah.

00:33:36.580 And I've got these pictures and I want to show you this.

00:33:38.800 I've got this, you know, I'm always afraid I'm going to end up on a, in a refrigerator

00:33:42.980 up in North Carolina, or a freezer in North Carolina somewhere, you know, because I don't,

00:33:48.140 I'm not going up there and checking out some guy's fines he's got, you know, and I, but.

00:33:53.100 So wait, but do you think, so I think what you're saying is the disinformation campaign

00:33:56.820 run by whomever.

00:33:58.080 It's real.

00:33:59.360 Well, it's definitely real.

00:34:00.860 And I assume it's run by the U.S. government or it's satellites and the defense contractors.

00:34:06.780 But part of the way that they discredit people who are interested in finding out what

00:34:11.460 this is, is by telling them false things.

00:34:14.360 And then.

00:34:15.260 They tried to destroy their careers.

00:34:16.420 They did that to one of our guys.

00:34:17.880 One of the very first person, the first hearing we had, if you remember, some weekly newspaper

00:34:24.640 reporter found out that one of the guys suffered from PTSD for, because of his military career.

00:34:30.980 You know what?

00:34:32.080 In Tennessee, we embrace that.

00:34:33.480 My daddy fought on Pellewin, Okinawa, and to the day he died, I never woke him up over

00:34:38.200 the top of him.

00:34:38.840 I always woke him up by his big toe, because he might have woke up on one of those dadgum

00:34:42.240 islands and pinned me up against the wall.

00:34:44.220 I believe it.

00:34:44.700 And so, and we celebrate our heroes.

00:34:47.620 But Washington, D.C. just destroys them.

00:34:49.820 And to think that a weekly newspaper found out this guy's medical history, which is a total

00:34:56.460 violation of the law, somebody should go to jail for it, but nobody did.

00:34:59.980 They tried to destroy this guy.

00:35:02.040 And that's, you know, that's what happens to people in Washington, D.C.

00:35:05.060 That's what happens to our military heroes when they step out of line because of the

00:35:09.820 sewer or deep state or whatever you want to call it.

00:35:12.840 But that's what they, and that's why we need real whistleblower protection for them.

00:35:17.940 Well, I agree with that completely, which we don't have.

00:35:20.620 No.

00:35:20.880 And by the way, I know two whistleblowers who are living outside the country because

00:35:24.400 they can't come to the United States.

00:35:25.780 Sure.

00:35:26.020 And I'll have people, actually, I've had people call me.

00:35:29.000 One last thing.

00:35:29.800 I'm in the Longworth building.

00:35:30.980 It's no secret.

00:35:31.680 It's public record.

00:35:32.720 But I've had people that'll call me or send a message to me and want to come by, and they

00:35:37.740 won't come in that building and ask me if I can come outside.

00:35:40.580 I've had people call me and want to come to the house in East Tennessee because they

00:35:47.520 don't want to come to Washington, D.C. and talk to me.

00:35:49.880 There was a well-publicized television show that was on for a while that I didn't know

00:35:58.300 they were coming.

00:36:00.100 I mean, they said some people wanted to talk to me, and it was a trusted friend.

00:36:03.960 And I said, sure, send them, bring them up, come on up to D.C.

00:36:08.000 And I said, well, they don't want to come to D.C.

00:36:09.940 And they drove from wherever to my house in East Tennessee on a Saturday afternoon, and

00:36:15.960 then they put some stuff on a screen that was pretty compelling.

00:36:22.020 What was it?

00:36:23.100 It was aircraft flying it, just crazy stuff that we can't do that would turn you or me

00:36:31.380 into basically a catch-up package.

00:36:33.400 It was not—

00:36:35.300 No human being could handle the G-Force.

00:36:37.100 No, not at all.

00:36:37.980 Well, with the technology we had, the G-Force would just have tore them apart.

00:36:42.440 And, you know, was it unmanned or whatever?

00:36:45.880 I don't know.

00:36:46.740 But these guys, and one of them was a—well, they were scientists.

00:36:51.960 Several of them were scientists.

00:36:54.000 And there's—

00:36:54.660 They came to see you.

00:36:55.280 They came to see me, yeah.

00:36:56.680 And our—because it's kind of—

00:36:58.820 Wait, so what do you do with that information?

00:37:01.420 I try to understand—try to grasp it within my very small brain.

00:37:06.860 And what am I supposed to do with that?

00:37:08.420 I ask God all the time, what do you want me to do with this stuff, Lord?

00:37:12.180 And right now, I've just got to get enough disclosure.

00:37:15.760 I've come to the realization that nothing is ever going to happen, Tucker,

00:37:20.880 until we have somebody in the White House that says enough is enough and just discloses it.

00:37:25.320 And I hope President Trump—you know, I have discussions with him privately and other times

00:37:29.980 that I'm not—I've talked to his people.

00:37:32.720 But at some point, there's several of us, Luna and myself and several others that are

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00:37:42.740 We've got none.

00:37:44.040 We've got none.

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00:40:42.960 What is that?

00:40:44.780 I think that is the sewer.

00:40:46.320 That is the industrial war complex.

00:40:48.320 I think, and I stated that in the committee.

00:40:50.440 I think part of the thing they do is they outrun the clock.

00:40:53.820 They outrun the clock.

00:40:55.300 You know, we either stumble, one of us gets in trouble, or they get us in trouble, or

00:40:59.940 they lose, or they move on to another object, you know, another shiny object somewhere else.

00:41:05.240 Americans want their pizzas in 30 minutes or less, and that's about Congress's attention

00:41:09.500 span, you know, because we're always on one, and then it's the hot issue, and then the

00:41:14.560 news cycle changes two weeks later, we're on to something else.

00:41:17.040 So, you guys are often, members of Congress are often briefed in skiffs, you know, it's

00:41:22.540 a secure location, then they immediately go and call CNN and tell them, you know, everyone

00:41:26.640 was at the skiff.

00:41:27.780 But if a member of Congress received, quote, classified information about UAPs, and then

00:41:33.940 immediately held a press conference and said, here's what I just heard and saw, and yes, 0.98

00:41:38.340 I'm breaking the law, but like, tough shit, why don't you do something about it? 0.99

00:41:41.820 What would happen? 0.99

00:41:43.500 I don't know.

00:41:43.960 They say they can imprison us, but I don't, they, you know, that's what we're told at

00:41:48.340 the beginning.

00:41:48.880 We're not even supposed to discuss, some people will tell you, you can't even tell them that

00:41:51.760 you've been in a skiff, but the press is waiting for you as soon as you walk out.

00:41:55.720 Who told, who says that?

00:41:57.680 Leadership of the party?

00:41:58.380 Oh, yeah, leadership, yeah, and they'll, and I've been in a skiff before where they'll

00:42:01.740 say, anything discussed in here, we remind you, it's punishable by law, and, you know,

00:42:06.600 it could, it's a felony, but the problem you get in there, a lot of times, it's the

00:42:10.860 arrogance and the lies that are told to us, they contradict, I mean, they'll contradict

00:42:16.300 what another department has said, and they'll say, this doesn't, this didn't happen, this

00:42:20.540 doesn't exist, and then another one will say, this is one we don't know, but we can't figure

00:42:25.400 out, there's just no answer, it defies all of our reason.

00:42:30.120 So, these are the briefers from various federal agencies that you're talking to?

00:42:32.640 And they're generally arrogant, you know, there's one kid with a man bun, I always remember

00:42:35.820 him, he was very arrogant, and then I asked him about some specific instances, you know,

00:42:41.780 there's one where we had a nuclear facility, something Buzz did, and the actual facility

00:42:47.280 shut down, it was documented, and he,

00:42:50.600 In the Dakotas, I think,

00:42:51.640 Yeah, I can't remember exactly, I read so many of these things, but, and he said, I remember

00:42:58.700 he said, we have no data points on that, and I thought, and I said, dude, it's in all,

00:43:05.760 Google it, it's everywhere, and I just, I get very frustrated, Tucker, a lot of times

00:43:11.380 I won't, I go to these classified briefs, and part of the reason you go to a classified

00:43:14.540 briefing is to get information, which I'm sure that's where a lot of the stock trading

00:43:19.040 goes on, but, but I think they bring you in and tell you stuff you already knew, so you

00:43:24.840 can't even talk about it, I think it's a trap, I don't, that's why I don't go to a

00:43:28.920 lot of the classified briefings, because, again, I can just pick it up on the street

00:43:32.840 right after they walk out.

00:43:33.780 But the Congress funds the agencies that are briefing you.

00:43:36.620 That's correct.

00:43:37.600 So you could say to the man bun kid, you know, son, I pay your salary, so maybe you. 0.98

00:43:43.620 Well, it was during the Biden administration, so I was a little bit out of.

00:43:46.840 Well, I mean, at this point, Republicans control the Congress, so like.

00:43:49.860 Allegedly.

00:43:50.680 I don't understand, I just, I'm honestly baffled as to why no one.

00:43:55.440 There's too many, it crosses both lines, I think, you know, that money runs deep, and

00:44:00.780 they contribute a lot to a lot of people.

00:44:03.120 So, of the issues, and some are well-known, I won't even bring them up here, but they're

00:44:07.060 very well-known, that have bipartisan consensus, you know, like both parties agree on this issue,

00:44:13.580 you would say UAPs are one of those?

00:44:15.440 I would say they are.

00:44:17.340 I mean, AOC's in there, I mean, they're all in there.

00:44:20.180 You know, it's just.

00:44:21.260 Does AOC show any interest in this topic?

00:44:24.700 She does.

00:44:25.360 She does.

00:44:25.880 I think, you know, she's concerned like everybody else, where are the tens of millions of dollars

00:44:30.640 going?

00:44:31.580 And I'm sure she could think about.

00:44:32.660 Well, what the hell are these things?

00:44:33.880 That's like an even deeper concern.

00:44:35.420 Yeah.

00:44:36.120 The money's fake, we just make it.

00:44:37.620 Yeah, we just print it.

00:44:38.820 Yeah.

00:44:39.240 But we've had, you know, what are they?

00:44:42.040 We've had sworn testimony where they'll tell you, they'll say, yeah, I've seen beings,

00:44:47.840 there's a movie coming out.

00:44:49.840 And hold on, and the testimony says, this is sworn testimony for the Congress.

00:44:53.700 Sworn testimony, they've got, they're beings and there's saucers or some craft or something.

00:45:02.940 But there's a movie coming out pretty soon, if it's ever allowed to come out.

00:45:06.720 I was in it a little bit.

00:45:09.220 And you have former members of the CIA, you have others that positively say they were there.

00:45:16.940 And they identified these things.

00:45:18.840 They diagnosed them and they saw them.

00:45:21.500 They saw the craft.

00:45:23.180 And, you know, there's enough people out there saying it, but they're just so suppressed.

00:45:27.900 And the media moves on so fast on something.

00:45:31.180 And, you know, I've been on so many of these interviews and they're playing the theme from

00:45:36.480 some crazy TV show or something before I come on, you know, and they're just making a joke

00:45:42.600 out of it.

00:45:43.120 And I get it.

00:45:44.180 People want to laugh about it.

00:45:45.720 I don't get it at all.

00:45:46.780 Yeah.

00:45:47.420 I mean, I get the fact.

00:45:48.660 It seems like an absolutely, I mean, it seems.

00:45:50.520 They just want to humiliate me.

00:45:52.260 But it's a deadly serious topic, objectively speaking.

00:45:55.780 And if.

00:45:56.080 It's a national defense issue.

00:45:57.420 It's everything.

00:45:58.340 It's everything.

00:45:58.960 I mean, it's not a national, it's a world defense issue.

00:46:01.960 It's a lot more serious than Black Lives Matter or any of the other nonsense that we've, 1.00

00:46:05.560 you know, become obsessed with over the past generation.

00:46:08.720 So, yeah, there's, I mean, that tells you right there, that's part of an operation designed

00:46:16.440 to discredit people who ask questions, right?

00:46:18.460 Yeah.

00:46:18.700 And I've had military personnel call me and tell me that they've chased these things.

00:46:25.740 They've been in the water.

00:46:26.760 I had one guy tell me a story.

00:46:29.100 He was an officer.

00:46:30.260 And he was in the water fishing off, I think it was on the East Coast.

00:46:36.960 And this huge craft flew over them.

00:46:41.580 And then these several jets were flying, trying to keep up with it.

00:46:46.220 And he identified the jets because he was obviously an Air Force officer.

00:46:50.280 And, and he said, look, I, I just want you to continue on this thing.

00:46:55.200 You're not, a lot of people have seen stuff.

00:46:58.360 And he said, I have.

00:46:59.620 And, you know, and, and I mean, he had a distinguished career, but it just continues on and on and

00:47:06.240 it gets, you know, we get patted on the head and say, okay, you can have another hearing.

00:47:12.640 And then we do it.

00:47:13.620 But, but until somebody in the White House says disclose, or somebody walks out of one

00:47:18.820 of these labs with something and is, and shows it and puts it on YouTube before he's allowed

00:47:25.060 to commit suicide, I think you're going to, that's the only way we're going to get to

00:47:30.200 the bottom of it.

00:47:30.780 Because it will never, it's so deep, the layers, the onions or onion is so deep, you just keep

00:47:36.100 peeling it off.

00:47:36.820 And it's just a different person, a different story.

00:47:39.340 You go over here and, and, and, you know, the naivety of, of Congress, you have members

00:47:46.540 telling me, well, let's just get a, let's go over here and get a, you know, we'll get

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00:47:53.000 I was like, dude, once we announce that, you know, the U-Haul vans are already been there

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00:47:58.040 You know, it's, it's not, it's not that way.

00:48:00.020 It's not going to work that way.

00:48:01.600 We're, Congress is not going to walk in there with all its magnificence and arrogance and

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00:50:36.440 publicly funded campaign to lie to the American public by its own government, that is justification

00:50:42.860 for overthrowing the government.

00:50:44.560 That's my opinion.

00:50:46.200 They can't do that in a democracy because we own the government.

00:50:49.180 They don't.

00:50:50.500 And so that alone, leaving aside the reality of UAPs, is, you know, it's enough for, I mean, 0.85

00:50:59.360 why is it so hard for somebody in authority, either in the White House or in congressional

00:51:04.780 leadership, to say, we want this information, we want it by the close of business today,

00:51:09.880 or else you're fired, where we're going to send soldiers in and get the information.

00:51:13.480 I don't, why is that hard?

00:51:14.860 I just don't think it's profitable for them.

00:51:16.900 I think it's too much money.

00:51:19.280 And it goes too deep.

00:51:21.100 And you have a lot of soldiers, not literally soldiers, but people that just follow orders.

00:51:27.460 And they think, and they said it's national security.

00:51:29.880 They think it's national security.

00:51:32.640 So it sounds like you have no confidence that this stuff's going to emerge.

00:51:37.340 No, I have zero confidence on this side of, when I get, when I leave this earth, I'll

00:51:43.360 probably, I'll know then, but.

00:51:44.800 You will instantly.

00:51:46.000 Instantly.

00:51:46.780 But I don't, I don't have any confidence in anybody in Washington currently.

00:51:51.980 I have confidence in Trump.

00:51:53.400 I really do.

00:51:54.540 I think if he's, if we can talk to him seriously about this for a short amount of time, I think

00:52:01.340 he'll just tell them to jam it.

00:52:03.780 We're going to do it.

00:52:04.500 Well, I mean, we had, you know, these sightings last year over New Jersey, over the, the whole

00:52:10.880 mid, mid East coast that the entire country saw and they were on video and we were going

00:52:17.980 to find out what those were.

00:52:19.000 And then it was like, nah, it's totally, we don't need to know what that, like, what

00:52:21.720 was that?

00:52:22.780 Well, I, I still think it was a, it was part of Chinese influence.

00:52:27.700 I think when they flew the balloon over, they, they wanted to, it was fifties or sixties

00:52:32.420 technology.

00:52:33.140 They didn't have anything.

00:52:34.320 They weren't there.

00:52:35.620 I mean, they got enough spies on the ground in every university and every think tank and

00:52:40.080 every, um, uh, national lab, whatever they got them there.

00:52:44.640 But they, um, they wanted to see what our response was.

00:52:47.620 They, um, they saw our political response, which was zero, our military response, which

00:52:53.140 was zero and our press response.

00:52:55.680 And the only thing was the people were outraged about it, you know, and then they shot it down

00:52:59.060 off the coast of Myrtle beach.

00:53:01.060 So you think the drones, the so-called drones over New Jersey last fall were a Chinese operation?

00:53:09.600 Something or something very similar.

00:53:11.300 Somebody experimenting to see what our response would be, because, you know, you could, you

00:53:16.080 fly an airplane over the country and, and somebody's going to pick it up, but you fly

00:53:20.020 a drone, they could have small, small nukes could have been a biological agent.

00:53:24.820 And, and I think now they know they could do that, or at least under Biden, they could,

00:53:28.800 they can't do it under Trump.

00:53:29.840 So if that was the Chinese who did that, um, and the U.S. government did nothing and

00:53:34.900 I think they had contractors here that, that provided them with that.

00:53:38.620 That's, that's, that's my theory.

00:53:42.600 What, any idea as to why the U.S. government would want to keep that secret?

00:53:46.840 No idea.

00:53:47.960 Either than the current administration doesn't know because the people that knew are gone.

00:53:54.940 I just think the past administration was, was smoking mirrors.

00:54:03.560 I mean, Joe Biden, if you ever had any conversations with him, I mean, it was clearly, uh, very clueless

00:54:10.340 and it was very scary if we'd have been in a position, whoever was calling his shots from the Obama administration, um, scared me a lot.

00:54:19.820 And, and of course they were the, the puppet masters, I feel like under this, under Biden.

00:54:24.040 And I felt like he, um, and the people around him just ran amok.

00:54:30.140 I mean, you saw with the.

00:54:31.420 But why not?

00:54:32.240 I don't understand.

00:54:33.300 And I'm trying to keep my growing rage under control.

00:54:35.840 Like why not tell.

00:54:36.760 Well, I'm outraged.

00:54:37.760 Why not tell the public something true once in a while?

00:54:40.540 Why the constant lying?

00:54:42.400 Cause if you, if you're constantly lying, then, then by definition you're evil and you don't

00:54:46.680 want to think that of your government, especially people you like in government.

00:54:49.280 But like, why can't the public know anything ever?

00:54:52.320 Do you have any theories?

00:54:53.960 Tradition.

00:54:56.240 Tradition.

00:54:57.280 Okay.

00:54:58.440 I just don't, the more and more I know about government, you know, I, I've been in this

00:55:03.620 skiff before and I've walked out and I remember one time I called my wife and I said,

00:55:07.460 honey, go to the store and buy canned goods.

00:55:10.720 We're, we're completely wide open.

00:55:14.340 She said, all right, sweetie.

00:55:16.340 And, um.

00:55:16.940 So what do we get for a trillion dollars a year to the U.S. military?

00:55:19.800 Do we get anything in return?

00:55:21.800 Uh, we get some enhanced stock portfolios and I'll give you a good, a great example.

00:55:27.360 When Joe Biden gave our military, our, excuse me, our missile defense system, I, you know,

00:55:33.020 I haven't voted for a penny for Ukraine.

00:55:34.640 I'm proud of that.

00:55:35.400 It's not my dad going to war.

00:55:36.600 I'm not sending my 18 year old daughter to a, a country that most members of Congress 0.95

00:55:40.880 couldn't find on a dadgum globe.

00:55:43.180 And, um, so you have, um, we give them our, our missile defense system and then we have

00:55:49.940 to replenish ours, which we should.

00:55:51.620 We can't be left naked without any of that defense.

00:55:54.600 And guess what?

00:55:55.940 Some of those contractors we described get a, a multi, multi billion with a B dollar,

00:56:02.000 no bid contract.

00:56:03.100 And who do you think has bought stock in that, in that company?

00:56:06.720 Members of Congress, two weeks prior to the president making that official notice.

00:56:11.660 And, um, and you see it time and time again.

00:56:14.400 I mean, do you honestly believe members of Congress are making five and six, you've met

00:56:17.200 some of these guys.

00:56:18.520 I mean, they don't, they can't come in out of the rain.

00:56:20.240 Some of them.

00:56:21.060 I mean, I'm guilty of that as well, but they're making five and 600%.

00:56:24.860 Yeah.

00:56:25.140 A lot of really damaged return on their five and 600% return on investment.

00:56:30.940 And, and war is great for business.

00:56:33.560 It's great for, it's great for the economy, but it's not good for, I don't think it's good

00:56:37.540 for our souls.

00:56:38.620 Wouldn't.

00:56:39.240 No, no, there's nothing worse.

00:56:41.020 Killing people is not good.

00:56:42.460 I'm, I know that's a controversial statement.

00:56:44.260 Um, but why is it, why is it impossible is to ban stock trading for members of Congress?

00:56:49.880 It's a great idea.

00:56:50.960 Um, I have the bill to do it and that's why, you know, we have a bipartisan group again,

00:56:55.400 myself and Priapal and I never get her name right.

00:57:00.420 And, um, Cortez and me and Chip Roy and a bunch of others, you know, we've got a, we've

00:57:06.720 got a bill, but it's not going anywhere.

00:57:09.980 Because too many members of Congress.

00:57:11.380 I mean, we were told by leadership that, you know, these, these guys can't afford,

00:57:15.580 can't afford to be here.

00:57:16.800 You know what?

00:57:17.580 If you can't afford to be in Congress and go get another dadgum job, more people have

00:57:21.580 played professional baseball in the major leagues than a Benny Knight suit.

00:57:25.940 It's a complete, it should be an honor.

00:57:27.820 The idea is they should be allowed to do insider trading, which is a felony, um, because they

00:57:33.740 don't get paid enough.

00:57:34.980 Well, all you got to do is disclose it.

00:57:36.540 And then if you don't disclose it, it's a slap on the wrist.

00:57:39.440 You know, I, I make skateboards and, um, it's cheaper than a psychiatrist.

00:57:43.700 I make them out of bamboo and banana fibers and crazy stuff.

00:57:47.360 And it's a great skateboards out of bamboo.

00:57:49.500 I do.

00:57:50.100 A lot of congressmen do that.

00:57:51.640 No, I'd say it.

00:57:53.020 One does.

00:57:53.700 I'm pretty safe in betting that.

00:57:55.440 And I would say it's cheaper than a psychiatrist.

00:57:57.260 It's good.

00:57:57.640 But, but, and I gave one to Tulsi Gabbard and, you know, and it gets views and, and people,

00:58:02.940 I have people all over the country wanting to buy these things.

00:58:05.200 So I'm a capitalist.

00:58:06.560 I'm thinking, you know, I'd like to sell a few skateboards.

00:58:09.540 I go to the ethics people.

00:58:11.280 I take my, uh, DC chief with me and she's very smart.

00:58:15.180 My Knoxville chief is a lady. 1.00

00:58:18.300 They're both incredibly smart ladies. 1.00

00:58:20.040 So I take the DC lady with me and she's making notes. 0.71

00:58:23.760 I mean, you know, I got to get an attorney involved in this thing.

00:58:25.780 I have to have a business plan.

00:58:27.120 You want to do insider trading?

00:58:29.040 Be a member of Congress.

00:58:30.160 You want to sell skateboards?

00:58:31.400 You better get you a dadgum lawyer. 0.63

00:58:33.160 And that's what I'm having to do right now.

00:58:35.060 I mean, I'm building a business plan.

00:58:36.520 But leadership actually said to you, we can't stop insider trading because they need the money?

00:58:40.900 Yeah.

00:58:41.300 And they've, and both parties.

00:58:42.640 I mean, it's one of those, you talk about one of those issues that both parties agree on,

00:58:45.840 both party leadership does.

00:58:47.460 And because they don't want to upset the apple cart.

00:58:50.040 And, and America, that would be such a great thing to show America.

00:58:53.840 Hey, we're going to try to do what's right for once.

00:58:55.820 Do they know how much America hates them?

00:58:58.660 No, every one of them.

00:59:00.100 Every, I always remember in my hometown when they did away with, um, insider trading.

00:59:06.280 I mean, I'm sorry, not insider trading.

00:59:07.820 They did away with, um, term limits, excuse me.

00:59:10.760 And they were interviewing some of the office holders.

00:59:12.960 I remember one office holder said, I just don't know if this county is going to exist without us.

00:59:16.780 I don't see how they can go ahead.

00:59:17.980 And, and I thought it was like, I checked my, my calendar. 0.97

00:59:20.620 Is this April Fools? 0.97

00:59:21.340 I thought it was a joke.

00:59:22.180 I thought they were actually kidding.

00:59:23.780 You know?

00:59:24.180 I mean, that is the arrogance.

00:59:25.460 How did the county do?

00:59:26.680 We're still there.

00:59:27.560 Still there?

00:59:28.060 Yeah.

00:59:28.340 Okay.

00:59:28.740 Great bond rating.

00:59:29.440 Wasn't consumed by fire.

00:59:30.540 I was, no, no.

00:59:31.740 The Lord didn't come down and crush us like Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:59:34.320 But, you know, um, but anyway, they've, um, they continuously fought us.

00:59:41.660 And now we've, we've pushed them.

00:59:43.140 Now the head of the treasury says, you need to do it.

00:59:45.700 Trump says to do it.

00:59:47.140 And so Luna says, I'm bringing Birchett's bill to the floor.

00:59:50.060 I'm going to do a dis, you know, a discharge petition.

00:59:52.740 And we're going to bring it to the floor and get enough members to sign on.

00:59:55.600 I don't know if we can or not, but we're going to try.

00:59:57.620 But here's the thing, Tucker, we'll pass a bill if we do, if the, if leadership shines

01:00:03.420 on us and we'll pass a bill and then it'll be a tough bill.

01:00:07.960 And then the Senate will pass one a little tougher on something we can't agree on.

01:00:12.480 And then we'll say, look at those guys in the Senate.

01:00:15.340 You know, they're 150 years old. 0.91

01:00:17.120 They can't, they're so crooked.

01:00:18.280 And they'll say, look at us. 1.00

01:00:19.360 We're a bunch of cretins. 0.99

01:00:20.420 You know, we don't know what we're doing. 0.98

01:00:21.820 And then it'll go away.

01:00:23.560 And well, we tried.

01:00:24.680 And that's just the game they're playing.

01:00:26.280 That is a game they play with everything, either that or it's a study committee.

01:00:30.040 So many bills, and I was talking about that with the staff, you know, they'll, they'll

01:00:34.260 get you to do, oh, don't do this bill.

01:00:35.680 Let's do a study bill and then come back next year with all this information.

01:00:39.820 You know, Tucker, have you ever seen that last scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where

01:00:43.680 they're going into that warehouse, you know, it just goes on and on.

01:00:46.580 I'm pretty sure that's where all the study committee bills go to after they pass them and you put

01:00:51.460 in your local newspaper, oh, look at this great bill.

01:00:53.420 Because it has the same title, but it doesn't do anything.

01:00:56.280 And then, you know, and then the next year you don't pass anything.

01:01:00.140 You don't come back with anything because you've already so-called passed your lame bill.

01:01:05.400 And that warehouse is full of all those reports because I've never seen, I've never, ever seen

01:01:11.380 one of those reports after we passed those bills.

01:01:13.600 No, of course not.

01:01:14.880 I just wonder though, I mean, the details of this are interesting, but I think the broad

01:01:19.540 outline is already known by the whole public, which is, this is fake and these people are

01:01:24.620 in it for reasons that have nothing to do with the public interest.

01:01:28.820 And I-

01:01:29.180 You know, everybody wants to rail on Pelosi.

01:01:31.380 She's not, if you go on the Unusual Whales website, she's not even in the top 10.

01:01:36.740 For insider trading.

01:01:37.560 Yeah.

01:01:39.400 She's, I think she's number 11, but you know. 0.97

01:01:42.620 Yeah.

01:01:42.820 I know some of the people on that list.

01:01:44.260 I do too.

01:01:44.680 I know every dadgum one of them.

01:01:46.340 And there's a list of a hundred and my wife always checks it every year.

01:01:50.480 She said, honey.

01:01:51.160 I said, I know, sweetie.

01:01:52.540 I mean, I'm my 12th, my buddy Tommy Siler manages my $12,000 portfolio.

01:01:57.020 Everybody do like I do.

01:01:58.000 Put it in mutual fund.

01:01:58.960 But I pulled it out last year, this recently just pulled it out so I could pay for my daughter's

01:02:03.400 school, which is what I established it for in the first place.

01:02:07.520 But it's, you know, and that's, and when this airs, I'm going to make a lot of enemies

01:02:12.420 and here's what's going to happen.

01:02:13.600 I'm going to tell you without a doubt.

01:02:15.600 Maybe not since I'm going to tell you.

01:02:17.200 How can they be mad at you?

01:02:19.760 Pointing out the obvious.

01:02:21.260 Somebody will come down and sit beside me.

01:02:23.060 Somebody in leadership or somebody I'm friends with in Congress and say, hey man, some of the

01:02:27.860 guys are really upset with you on this.

01:02:29.480 I say, well, on what?

01:02:30.440 And they say, on this, what you said on such and such.

01:02:32.600 And I've said this before.

01:02:33.960 I said, and this will be a chapter of my book if I ever write it.

01:02:37.920 And I said, but you know, it's the truth, right?

01:02:40.460 And they go, oh yeah, we know it's the truth.

01:02:42.540 We just wish you wouldn't say it anymore.

01:02:44.540 And I can't tell you how many times I've had that conversation.

01:02:46.720 But there's no shame.

01:02:47.880 Like we've all done bad things.

01:02:49.060 12% of the population votes, Tucker.

01:02:51.600 Nobody, listen, it's a game.

01:02:54.580 We need to start, people start needing to get their grandkids to educate them how to get

01:02:59.400 on the computer and read these bills that we're passing.

01:03:02.120 And look at the game we're playing with y'all.

01:03:04.160 These 3,000 page spending bills that, you know, fund whatever you need for your lab or whatever.

01:03:10.060 Then you read down and it's funding circumcisions in Madagascar.

01:03:15.420 I mean, things like that, literally.

01:03:16.720 Drag shows overseas.

01:03:17.840 Or abortion.

01:03:18.380 Or abortion, which is abhorrent.

01:03:20.120 But, and so, you know, it's just a game.

01:03:25.200 And it's a, and America needs to start paying attention.

01:03:28.960 And Congress, members of Congress, look, people, they always say we need more people to vote.

01:03:33.820 But as long as they're winning, that's what leadership's about in either party is staying in power.

01:03:38.260 It's having the suburban.

01:03:39.580 It's being three deep with security.

01:03:41.140 It's never standing in line at the movie theater or going to a ball game or a concert.

01:03:46.420 Or, you know, it becomes self-preservation.

01:03:51.260 I remember when January 6th happened and I was shocked.

01:03:53.940 I was completely shocked by it.

01:03:55.500 And I was the last House member to leave the floor on January 6th.

01:03:59.620 Good for you.

01:04:00.120 And I was like, wow, this is, I hate vandalism, whatever.

01:04:03.240 Now I look back and I'm like, I understand exactly why they did that.

01:04:06.380 I'm not mad about it at all.

01:04:08.120 I think that Congress should have taken notice that people are really, really mad at Congress.

01:04:14.920 And instead, they just ignored it and are like, no, everyone who did it is a Nazi and we need more security.

01:04:20.980 Really, that's your takeaway?

01:04:22.960 You need more security?

01:04:23.960 Maybe you need to act in a way that people respect so the country doesn't hate you because you're supposed to be representing the country.

01:04:31.800 And the 100 plus federal agents that were intertwined.

01:04:34.800 The whole thing was fake, obviously.

01:04:37.280 I was, yeah, I don't want to get into it.

01:04:39.760 Yes.

01:04:40.060 No, I spent a lot of time fighting about this at Fox News when they, you know, people resigned when I said, I think this was like a setup.

01:04:48.320 Oh, I can't work with a Nazi.

01:04:51.540 It turned out to be true. 0.92

01:04:54.000 But.

01:04:54.880 Again, it's how many years later and nobody cares.

01:04:57.920 Nobody cares.

01:04:58.520 So it's not, I'm sorry to make it about me.

01:05:00.160 I didn't mean to do that.

01:05:00.880 It's just, I'm mad about that topic, but the point is.

01:05:03.040 It's your show, brother.

01:05:03.940 No, no, no.

01:05:04.660 No, but it's just, it's about the Congress.

01:05:06.660 And I think you need a legislative body, not against the Congress in theory.

01:05:11.360 What I'm worried about, here's the point that I'm attempting to make in a long-winded way, which is.

01:05:16.700 If you don't pay any attention at all to how people feel about you when your job is to represent those people, that system can't continue.

01:05:25.760 And you're going to get a January 6th, but for real at some point.

01:05:29.840 If you keep acting this way.

01:05:30.880 It will be an armed situation.

01:05:32.140 Like actually, actually.

01:05:33.460 Yeah.

01:05:33.560 And a lot of people will applaud it.

01:05:35.280 I'm not rooting for that at all.

01:05:36.620 I'm just saying that's going to happen.

01:05:38.520 Do members of Congress get this?

01:05:40.060 Do they understand how hated they are?

01:05:41.340 Do they care?

01:05:42.740 I think there's an arrogance associated with being in Congress.

01:05:46.460 I think there's a complete arrogance.

01:05:47.880 I always remember one time I was at a UT football game when I was in the legislature.

01:05:56.700 And a former member, or well, they're all dead.

01:06:00.260 Most of the people I served with, a lot of them are.

01:06:02.640 Pulled up, parked illegally, got out of their car and just come strutting across the parking lot.

01:06:06.760 And my buddy said, who the heck is that?

01:06:09.340 And I said, he's a pretty big deal in Nashville.

01:06:11.340 He said, tell him he ain't in Nashville.

01:06:12.480 He's in Knoxville.

01:06:13.960 And I, you know, and I've always remembered that because of, now that guy's a judge who was telling me that.

01:06:19.980 He's my best friend.

01:06:20.700 But he, it was just a, you know, a wake-up moment that I realized early on that everybody has got this fiefdom type mentality.

01:06:30.980 And it's, who can represent better than me?

01:06:34.260 Nobody.

01:06:35.140 And I can tell you right now, there's probably 200,000 people in my district that could probably do a better job than I am.

01:06:41.720 And I'm just hard-headed enough to stick my head out.

01:06:44.680 A lot of people don't want it because it's frustrating.

01:06:46.800 Yeah, and they see the security issues now, too.

01:06:49.320 Is there ever a moment in, you know, like at lunch with your colleagues where somebody says, man, have you looked at the numbers?

01:06:56.260 People really hate us.

01:06:57.580 This is a problem.

01:06:58.880 I usually don't eat lunch with my colleagues, so.

01:07:00.860 Okay, but I mean.

01:07:02.380 I have a few close friends in Congress.

01:07:03.720 In the course of a day at work in the U.S. Congress where you do work, does anyone ever note that, like, we're more unpopular than, like, chlamydia?

01:07:13.520 And that's not good.

01:07:14.940 No.

01:07:15.500 Yeah, I'd say we're, I'd say chlamydia outranks us. 1.00

01:07:19.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:20.180 Oh, no, no.

01:07:20.920 Definitely.

01:07:21.640 Chlamydia has its defenders.

01:07:24.480 No one defends Congress.

01:07:25.580 No.

01:07:26.260 No, but yeah, there's a bunch of us.

01:07:27.700 I mean, we see what's going on.

01:07:28.900 We just shake our head, but it's a lot of frustration, though, Tucker.

01:07:31.780 You know, we're in a minority.

01:07:33.140 You look at spending bills and then look at the opinion polls on things like Ukraine, other things, and you look at the board and you're wondering, where are we at?

01:07:42.580 Yeah.

01:07:42.840 What's going on?

01:07:43.960 And, you know, and for guys like me, though, it gets incredibly tough because, you know, the big boys start calling and the bank account dries up pretty quick.

01:07:55.200 It's hard to raise money.

01:07:56.080 And for somebody like me, it is incredibly tough to raise money.

01:07:59.640 A lot of, most of my contributions are just hard work and God-fearing people.

01:08:04.300 They'll send me $10 and a Bible verse, you know, and I don't, the billionaires usually are for me the day after the election.

01:08:12.740 Yeah, I noticed.

01:08:13.480 And they're out in force against a couple of your colleagues who've said things that are totally consistent with what the public wants.

01:08:20.760 Right.

01:08:21.520 But the billionaires don't want it.

01:08:22.820 They don't want it.

01:08:23.600 And they control a lot of the media.

01:08:26.200 And, but fortunately now for the internet, we can.

01:08:29.260 Yeah, bypass.

01:08:30.220 People like you and I can bypass that.

01:08:32.140 Oh, I'm grateful every day.

01:08:33.640 Can I ask, so you're, you represent Eastern Tennessee.

01:08:38.460 Right.

01:08:38.660 Which is much more conservative than, say, the Memphis area or even the next.

01:08:42.880 Actually, I did one point better than President Trump.

01:08:45.260 But if he were here today, I'd say that was, in fact, an error and that you carried me over the finish line, Mr. President.

01:08:50.760 I think you would have to say that.

01:08:52.180 Yes, for sure.

01:08:54.380 But, so your threat is not in the general election.

01:08:58.220 Like, it's an R plus whatever.

01:09:00.600 Yeah.

01:09:00.920 It's primary, but it's just.

01:09:02.420 It'd be a primary.

01:09:03.380 Right, but they could drop big money in and the dark money and. 0.50

01:09:06.920 Okay, so that's the, a member like you is vulnerable in the primary.

01:09:10.840 And someday I'd like to, maybe if I had the opportunity to get to the U.S. Senate, I wouldn't mind doing that.

01:09:14.620 But that would be Katie bar the door. 1.00

01:09:16.100 They'd pour the money in all over the country to beat me, so. 0.89

01:09:18.640 Of course.

01:09:20.340 But you're even seeing with a couple of your colleagues are getting primaried by billionaires because they've said things that are, you know, true but not acceptable, I guess.

01:09:30.180 Are you worried about being primaried?

01:09:31.660 Yeah, there's only two ways to run, scared and unopposed.

01:09:35.900 And I, I'm a product of the primary.

01:09:37.860 The first race I won, I, I beat an incumbent in a state house race, 99 house races that year, I was the only person to beat an incumbent.

01:09:45.880 And then, I won with just two and three quarters percentage points ahead.

01:09:50.680 I knocked on over 6,000 doors.

01:09:52.720 I'd, I'd been run out of town, run out of business by the government.

01:09:56.840 And, um, it was a great lesson.

01:09:59.280 Um, but I did, knocked on over 6,000 doors.

01:10:01.780 And I think I raised, I think I raised around eight or $9,000.

01:10:06.000 I can't remember.

01:10:06.600 And I thought, how am I going to spend all this dadgum money?

01:10:09.100 You know, every morning I'd wake up.

01:10:11.020 My mom and daddy, of course, were living then.

01:10:12.600 And, um, I would throw up because I had this horrible taste of, uh, peppermint in my mouth.

01:10:18.260 And the reason I had peppermint, because I licked all my stamps.

01:10:21.020 That's back in the day, you had to lick stamps.

01:10:22.860 Yes.

01:10:23.380 And I remember one morning I woke up and I was rolled up in them.

01:10:25.880 I was like in a cocoon of stamps.

01:10:27.580 But, uh, you know, I'd wake up every morning, I'd throw up.

01:10:30.120 And mama would make me a turkey sandwich on white bread and give me a Sprite. 0.99

01:10:34.920 And I'd get right back and knock on doors.

01:10:36.700 For breakfast.

01:10:37.480 Yeah, that's all I could hold down.

01:10:38.860 And I'd get out and knock on doors all day long.

01:10:41.080 And, um, you know, I lost over 20 pounds, got bit by a dog, took off my shirt.

01:10:45.580 I looked like a target.

01:10:46.440 I just red on the rings and white in the belly, you know?

01:10:49.140 And, and, um, and so, but it was, um, I learned, I wore out a pair of New Balance shoes.

01:10:55.560 And, um, the only shoes at the time that were made in America.

01:10:58.060 So I, I'm kind of big on that.

01:11:00.180 And so, um, we won and, um, spent four years in the house.

01:11:05.600 And then, um, I'd just come off of a business deal.

01:11:08.220 I had a mulch business.

01:11:09.340 I had a composting business.

01:11:10.880 And I'm, I'm a capitalist, but I can remember, you remember that scene in The Godfather right

01:11:15.600 before he dies, the original Godfather, and he's spraying that on the, on the tomatoes and

01:11:20.100 the little grandbabies running around him.

01:11:21.800 My daddy had one of those sprayers.

01:11:23.200 I remember he, he grew these tomatoes.

01:11:24.560 And at the time, I remember, I think he spent $20 on tomatoes and fertilizer.

01:11:28.920 And we got like three of these gnarly tomatoes.

01:11:30.880 Of course, this is in the seventies and we're a family of public educators.

01:11:34.520 So 20 bucks is righteous bucks.

01:11:36.660 And I said, daddy, I'd like to try that.

01:11:37.820 I want to try organic gardening.

01:11:39.480 And he said, all right, you go ahead.

01:11:42.100 And at the time, KUB used to come by the house and, um, a chipper truck.

01:11:47.940 And they'd pick up all your brush, you know, throw them in the back of one of those big

01:11:51.700 chippers and it'd spit it in the back of the truck. 0.99

01:11:54.040 And I said, what do y'all do with that stuff?

01:11:55.580 We take it to the landfill.

01:11:57.000 And I said, really, how much they pay you for it?

01:11:58.540 And I said, they don't, we pay them to take it.

01:12:00.740 This was in 1978.

01:12:02.080 I was in the eighth grade.

01:12:03.340 And so the wheels started turning.

01:12:04.320 I was like, man, that's a business idea.

01:12:05.640 I said, dump that stuff here. 0.91

01:12:07.300 So they dumped it and I composted it.

01:12:09.240 And I had a crazy, incredible garden, squash, beans, strawberries, um, tomatoes, of course.

01:12:15.400 And I fed the church, the neighborhood, everybody come by the house.

01:12:18.520 I had friends, enemies.

01:12:19.600 I gave them a sack of tomatoes.

01:12:20.520 Well, fast forward, uh, went to college, six years of undergraduate studies at the University

01:12:27.120 of Tennessee.

01:12:27.580 I thoroughly enjoyed my college career, six years of studies.

01:12:32.400 Um, I didn't drink or smoke pot and it still took me six years.

01:12:35.980 That's pretty good.

01:12:36.980 Ended up agreeing to let technological adult education.

01:12:39.800 I was certified to teach shop, took a few art classes.

01:12:42.660 And apparently I got an art certification, I think on my certificate, I believe.

01:12:47.060 But anyway, so, um, I can weld and fix motors and I can burn your house down if you need

01:12:52.440 it wired.

01:12:52.860 I can't do that very well.

01:12:53.880 But in all the other machine shop stuff, I can do that, or I could at the time.

01:12:57.780 So I came up with this idea, taking all the city's yard waste and I presented it to then

01:13:04.460 the city mayor.

01:13:05.420 I said, what are y'all doing with it?

01:13:06.380 And I said, we take it to the landfill and they could pay me a reduced fee of what they

01:13:11.620 take it to the landfill.

01:13:12.920 I would grind it and then sell it.

01:13:14.720 And, well, we had a blizzard that year.

01:13:17.760 So we did about, seems like we did 30,000 tons that first year.

01:13:23.660 And they paid me around, it was under 20, but just say $20 a ton.

01:13:27.260 So I was making, I had $600,000.

01:13:29.560 And this was in, um, 91 or 92.

01:13:33.140 I was, been out of college for a little while, worked in the business world.

01:13:36.000 Um, and, um, I, I literally, I would have been a million, I became very wealthy, but I had

01:13:43.660 to grind it.

01:13:44.280 So it cost me about a half a million dollars.

01:13:46.260 So I was still clearing $100,000 living at home with my family who's public educators.

01:13:51.540 So $100,000 was pretty righteous bucks.

01:13:53.600 But then I sold it.

01:13:54.920 I sold it for, um, for, I think it was $20 a pickup truckload.

01:14:00.300 So I was selling between, um, I would sell four to 5,000 pickup truckloads a month.

01:14:06.160 So, I mean, I was raking it in.

01:14:08.020 It was all cash.

01:14:08.880 And I reported everything.

01:14:10.120 I had accountants.

01:14:10.840 I made sure I was crazy honest.

01:14:13.300 I gave half of it away to churches and schools.

01:14:16.760 Well, somebody decided they wanted that business, what I think ended up happening.

01:14:21.800 And, um, they accused me of taking toxic waste.

01:14:23.840 They said, there's bacteria in that newspaper articles.

01:14:26.180 There's bacteria in his mulch.

01:14:27.640 Well, human body contains a half a pound, uh, a quarter pound of bacteria.

01:14:32.080 I mean, it aids in digestion.

01:14:33.840 If the earth didn't have bacteria, it'd be a cube. 1.00

01:14:36.380 I mean, we just press it, you know, nothing would.

01:14:38.600 So the Smoky Mountains, there's not, in these parks out here, there's nobody running around

01:14:42.320 in a white suit collecting every leaf, you know, and putting it in.

01:14:45.900 So God had a plan and, and bacteria is part of it.

01:14:48.980 Well, of course it had bacteria in it and they would test it and they did a faulty test.

01:14:54.320 And finally, it just got ridiculous.

01:14:56.100 The EPA even came in.

01:14:58.020 And, and oddly enough, the day after they closed my business, I got the EPA report and it cleared

01:15:04.060 me and said, in fact, there is bacteria in there, but there's not abnormal amounts.

01:15:07.960 There's nothing.

01:15:08.760 And the head of UT's microbiology department, I'll never forget this, he, Tucker,

01:15:12.160 he ate my mulch on the news to prove that this was just bogus.

01:15:16.400 This is crazy.

01:15:17.600 And the state would come in and shut me down.

01:15:19.680 They get some reports.

01:15:20.060 How was it?

01:15:20.860 Huh?

01:15:21.460 How was the mulch?

01:15:22.400 Delicious.

01:15:23.200 Yeah.

01:15:23.600 Delicious.

01:15:24.660 Tastes a lot like chicken.

01:15:25.900 I bet.

01:15:26.300 So anyway, I ended up losing that business.

01:15:31.240 And I remember my dad told me, he said, put an American flag on top of that mulch pile.

01:15:35.020 And I did.

01:15:35.840 And he said, this thing's bigger than that.

01:15:36.960 Daddy's World War II veteran, nothing. 0.55

01:15:39.480 He's calm under fire, man.

01:15:41.400 Him and Mama both were wonderful people.

01:15:42.960 Mama flew an airplane during the Second World War, depression era, didn't have electricity. 1.00

01:15:46.300 She's a senior in high school.

01:15:48.260 They were tough people and they didn't like what they were doing to me.

01:15:50.700 And apparently the public didn't either.

01:15:52.460 Because I knocked on, I said I knocked on over 6,000 doors and beat a respected incumbent,

01:15:56.960 I guess, in the primary and I never looked back.

01:16:01.300 And I became, I was in the State House for four years, State Senate for 12 years.

01:16:05.440 And that's sort of been my thing.

01:16:06.500 Even with the UFOs, my thing is when people come to me, because you can hire a lobbyist,

01:16:13.140 you can hire a lawyer, but the average working guy, they call the front desk and they asked,

01:16:19.880 can I speak to Tim?

01:16:21.360 Because they think they know me.

01:16:22.980 Because they're, you know, the government's ripped them off.

01:16:25.680 And I always remember during that time, it was when, do you remember Travelgate under

01:16:30.620 the Clinton administration?

01:16:32.140 Very well, yes.

01:16:32.800 And it seems like, I think Hillary and Bill, they, if I remember correctly, they, these

01:16:37.860 people that were running the travel operation at the White House and Congress, they ran them

01:16:41.560 out of business.

01:16:42.720 So they put their friends in there.

01:16:44.120 So they put their friends in there.

01:16:45.200 And those people travel the country because I remember they had a half a million dollars

01:16:48.900 or had 300,000 in legal expenses.

01:16:51.540 I had more than that in the most business.

01:16:53.640 I mean, they were threatening a felony.

01:16:54.700 They were going to throw me in the federal penitentiary over this thing because I wouldn't

01:16:58.480 give up.

01:16:59.300 And they had, and I remember the University of Tennessee, this liberal professor gave his

01:17:03.840 kids extra credit if they would come picket me.

01:17:06.380 And they came down there and they brought the neighborhoods, they brought neighborhood people

01:17:10.000 down there and they had misspelled words in their signs, you know, and they parked

01:17:13.400 their BMWs around the side and they could come picket me to look like they were just,

01:17:18.480 and they all dressed down. 0.99

01:17:19.660 It was the most pathetic thing. 0.96

01:17:21.540 And I remember the person at the city that was really orchestrating it all against me 0.97

01:17:27.680 was, I remember seeing them hug the reporter that was writing all the nasty articles about

01:17:34.100 me.

01:17:35.360 And I just, you know, the whole thing was just, and I saw, I see Americans getting run down

01:17:39.640 the road and I think that's why people like me appeal.

01:17:42.720 There's not a lot of folks like me, obviously, in Congress, but folks like me appeal to people

01:17:46.940 because they've been run over and they know they can call me and I can, and I'm not judgmental.

01:17:52.940 I just say, I don't care if they vote for me or not.

01:17:55.280 I have people that are convicted felons, people that have killed people before and I've helped

01:17:59.320 them out.

01:17:59.840 And because I don't care because I see the system, it ran over me and I was just some

01:18:04.420 white middle-class kid from West Knoxville and the system ran me over.

01:18:09.660 Well, speaking of someone, I've got two questions before I forget.

01:18:12.780 One, have you ever been threatened since you've been in the U.S. Congress with a primary challenge

01:18:17.900 by your own party?

01:18:19.400 Has anyone in your own party said, knock it off or we'll fund a challenger?

01:18:22.640 They flew, from what I understand, a couple of people were flown to D.C.

01:18:27.300 I know one apparently was, and I think the other one was, and they either called me or

01:18:33.540 called somebody else and said, you know, no, Tim's a good guy.

01:18:37.660 Why?

01:18:38.880 Because I rocked the boat.

01:18:40.560 In what way?

01:18:42.260 Question leadership.

01:18:43.720 I don't, I call them out.

01:18:45.420 I can remember one time.

01:18:46.460 Was it the UAPs, do you think?

01:18:48.080 No.

01:18:48.620 Well, I mean, they use that.

01:18:50.500 They think they can use that against me.

01:18:52.360 It's other things.

01:18:53.160 It's much deeper than that.

01:18:54.460 I can remember when I went in conference, we were at the Capitol Hill Club, and they

01:19:00.900 meet over there legally so we can talk about fundraising, and then we're in the Capitol

01:19:05.300 and have our conference meeting, talk strict politics.

01:19:08.420 And I asked the head of the committee that was carrying the bill, I said, ma'am, I said,

01:19:13.920 how much money is in this bill?

01:19:16.280 And she said, I don't know.

01:19:17.860 And I said, no, I mean, the bill that you're talking about right now, the one that we're

01:19:22.300 getting ready to spend all this money on, how much is in it?

01:19:25.220 And she said, I don't know.

01:19:26.600 And leadership said, man, you can't, what are you doing?

01:19:28.280 What are you doing?

01:19:29.400 I was like, what do you mean, what am I doing?

01:19:31.380 I come from Tennessee.

01:19:32.400 We run a balanced budget in Tennessee.

01:19:33.880 It's a crazy concept.

01:19:35.420 We have zero debt.

01:19:37.020 That's why everybody's clamoring.

01:19:38.360 Leadership didn't want you to ask how much money.

01:19:40.500 It just made everybody uncomfortable, I guess.

01:19:42.640 I don't know.

01:19:43.180 But it's things like that.

01:19:44.280 I get it.

01:19:44.860 I get it.

01:19:45.260 I ask questions, you know, it's just part of the system.

01:19:50.800 They beat you down.

01:19:51.600 They beat you down.

01:19:52.340 And then you see them.

01:19:53.640 And then, you know, next thing, it's like in Cool Hand Luke where Paul Newman is, he comes

01:20:01.720 back.

01:20:02.500 They beat him down and beat him down.

01:20:03.900 And he becomes, you know, the warden's boy.

01:20:08.080 But then, and really, in reality, it was all in act.

01:20:10.740 And he ends up stealing a truck and getting killed.

01:20:13.160 But I don't plan on stealing a truck and I don't plan on getting killed.

01:20:16.540 I'm not suicidal.

01:20:17.800 Congress won't continue to exist if they keep acting like this.

01:20:21.400 I mean, this country will not continue to exist.

01:20:23.760 If we don't get our financial ship in order, we will sink.

01:20:27.580 And it is, we're $36 trillion in debt.

01:20:30.240 Nobody cares.

01:20:31.980 All they care about is getting to that next election.

01:20:35.200 That's bottom line.

01:20:37.100 Leadership, anybody else.

01:20:38.940 These people are all my friends.

01:20:40.080 I'm not making any friends doing this show.

01:20:42.180 But the reformers, I notice people who have a different view or say things like you're

01:20:46.940 saying.

01:20:47.660 So Massey, above all, Marjorie Taylor Greene, you.

01:20:54.100 I'm not saying you guys agree on everything.

01:20:56.280 I don't think you do.

01:20:57.040 But we're all very close friends.

01:20:59.000 But you have a similar orientation, which is like actually pro-America.

01:21:03.600 Is this good for the country or is it not? 0.95

01:21:05.100 And all three of you are either dismissed as crazy or really, really hated.

01:21:13.340 In the case of Massey, it's like, you know, he's the target of like a very serious attack.

01:21:21.040 Oh, they're going to spend, they'll drive his money up and spend millions against him.

01:21:26.500 Is he going to win, do you think?

01:21:27.780 I don't know.

01:21:28.820 I don't have any idea.

01:21:29.820 I don't, I haven't looked at the numbers.

01:21:31.900 I don't, I don't pay much attention to polls except election night.

01:21:36.840 And if it's close, then I question those.

01:21:39.220 Yeah.

01:21:39.580 You have every reason to.

01:21:40.720 You said earlier in our conversation that members of Congress were compromised.

01:21:44.980 What did you mean by that?

01:21:46.520 Well, I was on, can I, can I name a rival of yours or maybe, I don't know.

01:21:51.820 I want you to name anything that comes to mind.

01:21:53.780 I was on the Benny show and it was early on.

01:21:56.180 And Benny and I become friends.

01:21:57.460 I didn't realize he was so close to Charlie, Charlie Kirk, but he, but he had me on early

01:22:04.740 on and I, and I did, honestly, I didn't know who he was.

01:22:08.540 And he asked me about that.

01:22:09.980 And I said, well, I said, here's the way it works.

01:22:12.440 It's the way it's worked in the past.

01:22:13.540 The Russians even have a name for, you know, the honeypot. 0.79

01:22:16.340 You, and I don't go on overseas trips much.

01:22:19.120 I've been to one trip and that was prior.

01:22:20.740 I've, I've been on one Codell, um, that's, I went to the Mexican border and I went down

01:22:27.240 one day with, um, um, Andy Biggs, who's no, who's a good Mormon.

01:22:32.920 He's hopefully, maybe be the governor of Arizona, but he, um, he said, Birchett, we're going on

01:22:37.760 this trip.

01:22:38.200 I know you don't go on these things, but it's just, it's, it's just, it's one like you'd

01:22:41.400 like.

01:22:41.620 We'll go down there and back.

01:22:43.200 We'll stay in an awful motel.

01:22:44.860 We'll eat some cheap Mexican food, some barbecue, and we'll put you on a plane back to Tennessee. 0.87

01:22:49.240 And I said, all right, Andy, I'll do it.

01:22:51.700 And, um, um, but you know, that's about it that I've done.

01:22:56.880 And so what happens is you're, you're, you're overseas.

01:23:01.060 You're being told how great you are.

01:23:03.240 You're sitting at a bar and somebody, and they know what you're into guys, gals, combination

01:23:09.900 thereof, drugs, whatever.

01:23:11.920 And they'll hook you up and you're thinking you're the stud. 0.78

01:23:15.940 You're the, you're, you know, your wife's away.

01:23:17.700 Nobody will know halfway around the world.

01:23:19.980 You end up sleeping with somebody and then, you know, you're out next day.

01:23:24.860 You're flying back to America. 0.99

01:23:26.200 You know, you're, you're back front row at the church, you know, and then, um, you're

01:23:32.140 getting ready to make a key vote.

01:23:34.140 And somebody comes up and whispers in your ear, Hey man, are you in a motel room with

01:23:38.020 a girl in, you know, Istanbul or something? 0.97

01:23:40.600 And he's like, Oh crap.

01:23:42.720 He goes, man, we don't want that out. 0.97

01:23:44.440 And he goes, no, no, no, no, no.

01:23:46.000 We don't, we're not going to put that out.

01:23:48.000 I said, if you can help us on this little bill though, you know, now that's the way

01:23:51.600 they used to do it.

01:23:52.460 And I'm not so certain they don't do that now.

01:23:55.140 And it's funny when I did that show with Benny, the next, and oh, I caught hell.

01:23:59.780 I caught hell.

01:24:00.440 You said that.

01:24:01.220 I said that.

01:24:02.120 And members said, Oh, you can't be saying that stuff, Birchett.

01:24:04.740 Why?

01:24:04.960 Yeah.

01:24:06.520 Truth hurts, I guess, for some people and other people.

01:24:08.980 Have you ever, by the way, just parenthetically, ever been attacked for saying something false

01:24:12.700 or only true things?

01:24:14.720 Only true things.

01:24:15.700 Yeah.

01:24:15.860 Only true things.

01:24:16.560 So I'm, it's funny, the next week, Tucker, there was this huge, and I said, it always gets

01:24:22.040 covered up and everything gets covered up and then somebody owns you.

01:24:25.520 That's compromised.

01:24:26.360 That'll be the title of my book.

01:24:27.700 If I ever write a book, Tim Birchett's Compromised Washington, because that's what happens or it has

01:24:32.480 happened in the past, the very next week, a Chinese prostitution ring was busted in where? 0.71

01:24:40.020 Washington, D.C.

01:24:41.660 And who are the, and it was listed in the paper.

01:24:43.820 Who is their client list?

01:24:47.820 High-ranking officials in government, elected officials, and lobbyists.

01:24:55.480 Now, to me, that, that, that's all kinds of red flags going up all over the place.

01:25:03.080 Well, and then the next week, the story disappeared.

01:25:06.680 Yeah.

01:25:07.440 Of course it did.

01:25:08.440 But I think what they do now mostly is they have jobs.

01:25:12.320 If you look at these guys and gals and, you know, they're, they have a wife and or girlfriend

01:25:18.820 that'll work in one of these industries, I mean, $100,000 to a multi-billion dollar corporation

01:25:23.700 is nothing.

01:25:24.380 I mean, it's, it's an extra supply of paperclips or something.

01:25:28.100 I think that's how they do it now.

01:25:29.540 You have them in, in political offices, you have them in business offices, you have them

01:25:35.260 all over and.

01:25:36.580 You have what?

01:25:37.680 They're employed. 1.00

01:25:38.880 And so they own your ass. 1.00

01:25:41.280 Ah. 1.00

01:25:41.920 See, they're employed by these people.

01:25:43.420 I'm sorry.

01:25:44.260 Get my wife a job, get my girl a job. 1.00

01:25:46.200 Get them both a job, you know, and keep them separate.

01:25:49.620 And, you know, I know of, I mean, it's, it's just, it's just common.

01:25:54.800 I mean, I hear about all the time.

01:25:55.920 I hear about.

01:25:56.460 Very common.

01:25:56.960 I hear about, I mean, it's, I mean, they just talk, oh, she, she works over at defense.

01:26:01.040 She works over at justice.

01:26:02.760 She works for this case, or he does, or somebody does, or they work back in the district for

01:26:07.660 such and such.

01:26:08.420 I mean, it's just human nature.

01:26:10.520 People that members of Congress are sleeping with, either legally or not, are employed by

01:26:15.580 forces that want to control members of Congress.

01:26:19.520 That's what they used to do.

01:26:21.600 And now I'm pretty sure, you know, I knew of instances where that happened when I was

01:26:26.440 in the legislature.

01:26:27.520 And now they do it through the employment agencies.

01:26:34.040 Through employment agencies.

01:26:35.320 I mean, just, I mean, they employ them is what I'm saying.

01:26:37.540 They employ them.

01:26:38.420 Yeah.

01:26:38.780 No.

01:26:39.100 I mean, I, I know a bunch of members of Congress.

01:26:42.240 I can, right off the top of my head, I can think of with spouses in this or that industry.

01:26:47.280 And they might be incredibly qualified, but the reality is America's not buying that.

01:26:53.340 Nobody should.

01:26:54.200 But again, 12% of the population votes.

01:26:57.320 This is what you get.

01:26:58.200 I have noticed, just having spent my life in D.C., that people's personal lives are getting

01:27:03.960 weirder in the Congress.

01:27:04.960 Have you noticed that?

01:27:05.720 Without, without implicating anyone by name, I'm, don't think I'm imagining this.

01:27:09.820 It's not just sleeping with your scheduler.

01:27:11.460 It's weirder than that now.

01:27:13.100 Have you noticed that?

01:27:14.560 I try to stay in my office as much as possible.

01:27:17.140 Well, I just want to say for the record, I never heard of anybody participating in an

01:27:21.180 orgy in Washington, D.C.

01:27:22.520 in my entire life.

01:27:23.580 And I've heard a lot about it recently.

01:27:25.080 So that is, I wasn't there.

01:27:26.900 I'm not going there, but I think that's real.

01:27:29.400 So I've never been, I don't know if it is or it isn't.

01:27:31.840 I'd like, I'd hope that it isn't.

01:27:33.800 And I'd like to think that it isn't, but I've never been invited.

01:27:36.940 So yeah, I, when I was at the state legislature, we used to talk about that, how we knew some

01:27:42.320 people were pretty shady and, um, but you know, they never, they would never come to

01:27:47.900 somebody like me and offer me anything because they knew my background.

01:27:50.860 No.

01:27:51.260 And they know you're making skateboards in your garage.

01:27:53.020 So you're busy.

01:27:54.160 In my barn.

01:27:55.020 In your barn.

01:27:55.800 So, um, one of the members of Congress who all of us were encouraged to think was weird

01:28:00.260 and to hate, he was almost like a ritual sacrifice for the sins of the, of the entire body.

01:28:05.640 I felt was this guy, George Santos.

01:28:08.560 George Santos was a, not even a full-term Congressman from New York who was, uh, you know, like a

01:28:15.340 serial fabricator made up all these kind of amazing stories about his life.

01:28:19.060 And he played on competitive volleyball.

01:28:21.420 He worked at Goldman Sachs and it was all kind of, it was all fake.

01:28:24.220 Like he was, he was both Jewish and something else.

01:28:28.840 I can't remember.

01:28:29.400 Anyway, it was all made up.

01:28:30.760 Um, he wound up.

01:28:33.300 We always say Jew-ish. 1.00

01:28:36.060 I think I heard Schumer say that.

01:28:37.520 I was amused by the whole thing.

01:28:38.980 Maybe I just, what a bad person I am.

01:28:40.560 But I just thought, who, who is Congress to stand in judgment of anybody?

01:28:43.500 But I don't, well, that's it.

01:28:44.980 But I don't remember George Santos ever advocating for like killing innocent people, which is like

01:28:49.360 very common.

01:28:50.680 George Santos had one of the most conservative voting records in Congress.

01:28:54.100 Cross the board.

01:28:55.300 Conservative.

01:28:55.940 I mean, sometimes I'd look up there and think, tag gum, George.

01:28:59.760 That's a, that's a little harsh for me.

01:29:01.460 You know, he'd vote against something that was.

01:29:03.220 Right.

01:29:03.660 And I'd say, it costs $5, Birchett.

01:29:05.480 We're broke.

01:29:05.980 And I go, all right, G, you're good.

01:29:07.760 I'm good with it.

01:29:08.560 You know?

01:29:09.320 Interesting.

01:29:09.880 Yeah.

01:29:10.460 So, um, George Santos wound up in prison.

01:29:14.220 And I spoke to someone this morning who's close to George Santos who visited him in prison,

01:29:18.580 uh, this weekend.

01:29:20.160 Right.

01:29:20.880 And told me that he saw George Santos, um, shackled in chains.

01:29:26.960 And he's been in solitary since he got to prison.

01:29:29.000 He did an interview.

01:29:30.140 He's doing time in a federal lockup too.

01:29:31.760 In a federal lockup, in solitary confinement.

01:29:34.560 24 hours a day.

01:29:35.620 He's 24.

01:29:36.420 He gets out, I think one hour to maybe eat and take a bath.

01:29:39.040 What is going on?

01:29:39.960 How did George Santos wind up in prison for like seven years and now he's in solitary?

01:29:45.860 What's P. Diddy doing four, maybe?

01:29:49.160 Oh, I know actual criminals who were like celebrated on the front page of the newspaper.

01:29:53.660 So I know a lot of them.

01:29:54.840 So whatever, not, I don't want to lecture with the deep unfairness of life, but like,

01:29:59.880 what is that?

01:30:01.780 Why?

01:30:02.400 I think it was a sacrificial lamb.

01:30:04.000 And I think our party and everybody else just kicked him to the curb and said, look how righteous we are.

01:30:10.220 And I just don't, you know, he'd always sit with me on center's row.

01:30:14.080 That's what I call it.

01:30:15.360 Every time somebody would get in trouble, they would, or perceived to be in trouble.

01:30:19.060 Well, because I'm not, you know, I've said this before and I'll say it publicly, George was under a heck of a lot of pressure and I call myself a Christian.

01:30:30.380 And if I sat there and watched him kill himself over something and he went to hell, I'd have that on my soul.

01:30:38.500 And I just don't want that.

01:30:39.680 And, you know, my chief of staff called me one day and said, holler, hey, boss.

01:30:45.960 I said, he goes, I know what you're going to say.

01:30:48.040 And I go, what is it?

01:30:48.940 And he said, nobody wants to take George as their mentor.

01:30:52.180 Would you be his mentor?

01:30:53.020 And I said, sure, sign him up.

01:30:55.300 And he just shook his head and I said, yeah, he'll do it.

01:30:58.500 And then, and George and I just became fast friends.

01:31:01.520 You know, his office was catty-cornered of mine and the press would be just lined up down the hall.

01:31:06.900 And some kid would walk by close in stature down the other end.

01:31:10.980 I'd go, hey, there's George Santos.

01:31:12.100 And they'd all run down there and chase him and I'd have fun with that.

01:31:16.200 And then George would come in the office and I would talk to him about that.

01:31:19.500 And I'd talk to him about my faith.

01:31:20.880 But, and, you know, I just said, this ain't, this is not reality, George.

01:31:26.200 Don't, and I'd say, promise me if you think you're going to take your life, you'd call me anytime, night or day.

01:31:33.720 He said, I will, Tim, don't worry.

01:31:35.740 And he never did, you know, but he'd call me from time to time.

01:31:39.260 But who was, like, how did he wind up in prison for so long?

01:31:42.740 To me, I just don't understand that.

01:31:44.500 We just turned our back on him and.

01:31:46.920 The Republican Party leadership did.

01:31:48.940 Oh, absolutely.

01:31:49.560 They don't want anywhere near it.

01:31:50.600 We have to, you know, I guess.

01:31:52.420 Like, he's creepier than they are?

01:31:54.020 Sorry.

01:31:54.840 That's not true.

01:31:55.620 Well, no.

01:31:56.820 True.

01:31:57.100 That's, so I'm just, you don't have to say that.

01:31:58.540 You work there.

01:31:59.100 But they are way creepier than George Santos, in fact.

01:32:02.720 George is a very interesting guy.

01:32:04.080 And, yeah, he fabricated a lot of stuff.

01:32:05.740 But he's literally doing more time than P. Diddy or what it combs or whatever his name is.

01:32:10.660 In solitary confinement.

01:32:11.660 In solitary confinement.

01:32:12.580 And generally, solitary is where they put the violent people, the people that have committed

01:32:17.640 heinous crimes.

01:32:18.860 And I hear people say, good, good.

01:32:19.980 I hope they lock him up for the rest of his life.

01:32:21.920 You heard someone say that about George Santos?

01:32:23.440 Oh, yeah.

01:32:24.020 I've heard it.

01:32:24.400 Where?

01:32:25.780 In Congress.

01:32:26.580 I've heard him talk about it and how bad it made it look for us.

01:32:29.740 I was like, for us?

01:32:31.480 I said, have you not read the papers?

01:32:33.500 We do a pretty good job of making it look bad.

01:32:35.400 I don't think George Santos started the Ukraine war.

01:32:38.480 No.

01:32:38.640 I mean, what?

01:32:39.480 No.

01:32:40.220 We just, I don't know.

01:32:41.840 I think, again, we're a little big on ourselves sometimes.

01:32:45.700 It does, he's clearly being punished.

01:32:48.360 He clearly has powerful enemies.

01:32:49.960 I'm not sure who they are.

01:32:51.800 But, or maybe, I don't understand the whole thing.

01:32:54.920 But how, this person called me this morning to say, can you save George Santos?

01:32:59.580 I mean, I said, I'm a podcaster.

01:33:00.960 I can't save anybody.

01:33:01.760 But I, I don't know.

01:33:04.520 No, this is like, this is truly wrong, what's happening to George Santos.

01:33:09.800 It is completely wrong.

01:33:11.300 Yeah, he, he committed, I guess he, he took money he shouldn't have, but.

01:33:15.700 It was a campaign finance violation.

01:33:17.760 Yeah, a campaign finance violation, correct.

01:33:20.900 Right.

01:33:21.580 The whole category is.

01:33:23.240 And, you know, they, they stack so much up against him.

01:33:26.100 I think the amount of time he was going to do was just incredible if he'd have stacked them on top of each other.

01:33:31.340 But then to torture him once he gets to prison.

01:33:34.540 I think it's, he's, if he, if he, if he lives through it all, he's going to, he's going to have one heck of a story to tell.

01:33:43.840 You don't want to live in a country that does that to people, I don't think.

01:33:47.240 I mean, so only Trump can save him.

01:33:49.560 Is that kind of where we are, do you think?

01:33:50.820 I think so.

01:33:51.540 I think so.

01:33:52.240 And they can commute, you know, they, they did these reality TV show people that he didn't even know.

01:33:58.720 We happen to know George, you know, give him community service, home lockup or whatever.

01:34:04.740 But I just think it's a waste of taxpayers' money and it's a waste.

01:34:08.780 It's just, it just doesn't seem right.

01:34:10.660 I just don't, unless everybody else is going to go to jail for a longer amount of time for the crimes they committed.

01:34:16.760 Well, I mean, I remember very well Bill Jefferson.

01:34:19.920 I mean, I've just watched a lot of different scandals in the Congress, almost all Democrats.

01:34:25.320 And the Democratic Party stood behind those people till the, till sentencing.

01:34:29.380 Oh yeah.

01:34:30.100 The leadership.

01:34:30.960 You remember they all walked out of Congress when Clinton was, and they, you know, sang.

01:34:35.620 I was there that day.

01:34:36.580 Yeah.

01:34:37.020 Yes.

01:34:37.720 1998.

01:34:38.280 I'll never forget it. 0.82

01:34:38.980 So, um, the Republican leadership with Marjorie Taylor Greene, with Massey now, and with Santos, just like immediately, we, we've never heard of the guy and we hope he dies in prison.

01:34:52.660 Like, what is that?

01:34:54.500 Why can't the Republican Party have leadership that stands by its people and stands by its voters?

01:35:00.000 Is that too much to ask?

01:35:01.820 I think we read our opinion polls too much and not ourselves.

01:35:04.400 Well, I mean, what's your sacred duty?

01:35:09.000 It's to represent the people who elected you.

01:35:10.700 That's the whole purpose of being there.

01:35:13.340 I always thought too, our anger, if we had to be angry at anybody, it should have been the Democrats who did the opposition resource.

01:35:21.400 I mean, you know, opposition research on, on George.

01:35:25.040 I mean, you could have Googled and found out that stuff.

01:35:27.780 You could have called the school and said, hey, is he in school here?

01:35:30.240 Or whatever. 1.00

01:35:31.020 I mean, the guy's like an epic bullshit artist. 1.00

01:35:33.680 I get it. 1.00

01:35:34.140 I mean, I don't, you know, I'm not defending lying.

01:35:36.260 Is that federal, is that a federal crime?

01:35:38.920 Well, you just spent an hour telling me how they're lying about UFOs, which is a pretty serious thing to lie about.

01:35:44.360 They're shutting down military bases because they can't, you know, because they don't control the airspace.

01:35:48.920 That's correct.

01:35:49.200 So that's very serious.

01:35:51.160 They're lying about the Kennedy assassination.

01:35:52.900 They lied about September.

01:35:54.060 Yeah, the funny thing about Kennedy, we had them in on our committee, loon and chairs in this oversight subcommittee.

01:36:01.480 And we had a doctor in there who was in the emergency room with Kennedy.

01:36:07.620 And he said there was clearly an entry wound, an exit wound, and an entry wound, and an exit wound going the opposite direction.

01:36:16.420 Yeah.

01:36:16.560 And, you know, one bullet's supposed to, that magic bullet did that.

01:36:20.460 Shot John Conley and the president simultaneously.

01:36:23.240 Those files have not been fully released, as you know.

01:36:25.980 No, no.

01:36:26.600 And they never will be.

01:36:27.620 Why?

01:36:27.740 They never will be.

01:36:28.380 And just power control.

01:36:30.320 And these, and the CIA or whoever would have to admit that they were wrong.

01:36:34.700 They'd have to admit that they were wrong.

01:36:36.240 And the arrogance is just, I think once you take the oath, you get an oath of arrogance.

01:36:43.220 That you got to protect us, our past, and we'll protect you kind of thing in the future.

01:36:48.640 And I just think that carries on with them all.

01:36:51.140 And they, for whatever reason.

01:36:54.100 Okay.

01:36:55.220 But George Santos pretending to be a high-level volleyball player is the real crime.

01:36:59.360 That is the crime of the century.

01:37:00.720 He said he worked at Goldman Sachs. 1.00

01:37:02.220 Kill him! 1.00

01:37:03.520 Okay. 0.99

01:37:04.320 Just to put deception in perspective here, because I think they're, you know, not all lies are the same.

01:37:08.720 I agree.

01:37:09.440 Okay.

01:37:09.860 Final question.

01:37:10.680 Since you, more than any member of Congress, have thought about this, as candidly as you can answer,

01:37:15.960 what do you think, based on what you've heard, UFOs are, actually?

01:37:21.600 Okay.

01:37:23.100 Well, I think, again, God created the heavens and the earth.

01:37:30.460 And every night I go out with my dogs, usually at four o'clock in the morning, they go to the bathroom and look at those stars.

01:37:36.180 Yep.

01:37:36.360 And I see the light from those stars, and it's hard for my very small brain to comprehend this, a light from those stars left there before the time of Christ.

01:37:45.920 And some of those stars don't even exist that we're looking at today.

01:37:48.780 Right.

01:37:49.600 Which is hard for me to fathom, or as a good old voice would say, hard for me to phantom.

01:37:53.620 But I think there's something else out there.

01:37:59.640 I do not think we are the best that God can do.

01:38:02.680 Now, is there something here that's, you know, proposed to me with these deep sea areas?

01:38:08.920 I don't know.

01:38:09.820 Is something been here?

01:38:10.960 But the way for me to comprehend anything traveling light years, I mean, it's just beyond belief.

01:38:19.560 That is beyond belief.

01:38:20.440 But now there's this quantum, I've been explaining quantum physics, and I really don't understand it, how something can be here and instantaneously be here simultaneously, almost simultaneously.

01:38:34.480 And that, to me, begs the question of how does that fit into all this?

01:38:40.980 And if something's here in these deep sea areas, has it been here for, you know, thousands of years?

01:38:48.440 And that's the other question.

01:38:50.260 That's what, you know, these folks in the Navy kind of, and I have to be real careful.

01:38:54.460 With the folks in the Navy, what?

01:38:55.500 That I've talked to about this undersea type.

01:38:58.760 And what have they said?

01:39:00.260 They said, we don't know what's down there.

01:39:02.580 And they said, we think there's a reason that they're over these deep sea areas that we cannot get to.

01:39:10.500 And their belief is whatever these things are.

01:39:13.400 They've been here.

01:39:14.300 And obviously, if there was, if there meant harm to us, we, I mean, we're doing a pretty good job of harming ourselves.

01:39:24.040 Just look at our political structure.

01:39:26.060 But the truth is, is that we just don't know.

01:39:28.920 And I don't know.

01:39:30.180 My thoughts are kind of evolving on it, Tucker, to be honest with you, because I get to the point sometimes where I'm kind of beat down.

01:39:36.820 And I think, wow, this is crazy.

01:39:38.280 There can't be.

01:39:38.940 But how many of these people got to come forward to me that I know and respect, tell me what they've seen.

01:39:47.720 And there's no explanation for it.

01:39:50.560 And so I just think it's another one of those things I'm not going to know till I'm in heaven.

01:39:58.560 I mean, I know that sounds weird.

01:40:00.440 It doesn't sound weird at all.

01:40:02.000 It sounds entirely true.

01:40:03.620 And that's true for a lot of things, including understanding people's motivations, including your own motivations.

01:40:09.540 Like, we don't understand anything.

01:40:11.040 I mean, of course.

01:40:11.400 We don't.

01:40:11.940 I mean, it's every, you know, and science can't get out of its own way.

01:40:16.040 Every time they find something new, you know, it's like the coelacanth, for instance.

01:40:20.780 It was a lobed fin fish caught off the coast of Madagascar, I believe it was.

01:40:26.640 And it's supposed to have been extinct 50 million years ago, but all of a sudden it's here.

01:40:31.140 And then they, well, you know, there was this, but they can't explain it. 0.96

01:40:34.740 And I, again, go back to that Bible verse, those professing themselves to be wise became fools. 0.91

01:40:39.720 And I think it's, I was on a show the other day with a guy named Loeb. 0.96

01:40:45.400 He's a UFO guy.

01:40:46.860 He's, yeah, I think he's at Harvard, I believe.

01:40:49.980 But anyway, he, he was talking about how science, what he likes about science is that it's, that it's, it's, it's changing and it's in it how it, but a lot of scientists, it's like, you know, this is a brick wall.

01:41:03.880 This is the way it is.

01:41:04.760 It's not going to change.

01:41:05.900 And I think with the UFOs, that's kind of the situation we're in.

01:41:09.620 But I just tell you, I've talked to too many people that have just sworn to me what they've seen and, and some that I can't disclose, but, and I would hope that eventually that those people are able to come forward.

01:41:27.000 Yeah.

01:41:27.560 And in general, that people will start telling the truth.

01:41:30.420 It's, it's an act of liberation when you do.

01:41:32.820 Congressman Tim Burchard, I appreciate your coming on.

01:41:34.720 Thank you.

01:41:35.160 Thank you, Tucker.

01:41:35.620 Thank you.

01:41:39.620 We've got a new website we hope you will visit.

01:41:45.540 It's called newcommissionnow.com and it refers to a new 9-11 commission.

01:41:52.300 So we spent months putting together our 9-11 documentary series.

01:41:56.380 And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact, there was foreknowledge of the attacks.

01:42:03.040 People knew.

01:42:04.540 The American public deserves to know.

01:42:06.440 We're shocked actually to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true. 1.00

01:42:09.240 The evidence is overwhelming.

01:42:10.700 The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States.

01:42:14.020 They knew they were planning an act of terror.

01:42:16.300 In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America.

01:42:20.600 A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event.

01:42:28.600 I didn't know there would be an event to document in the first place because he had foreknowledge.

01:42:32.120 And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks.

01:42:46.380 They made money on the 9-11 attacks because they knew they were coming.

01:42:51.240 Who did that? 0.91

01:42:52.300 You have to look at the evidence.

01:42:54.120 The U.S. government learned the name of that investor, but never released it.

01:43:00.760 Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't, actually.

01:43:04.840 And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not.

01:43:07.240 The public deserves to know what the hell that was.

01:43:10.780 How did people know ahead of time why was no one ever punished for it?

01:43:14.480 9-11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud.

01:43:17.800 It was fake.

01:43:19.020 Its conclusions were written before the investigation.

01:43:22.140 That's true.

01:43:23.140 And it's outrageous.

01:43:24.880 This country needs a new 9-11 Commission, one that actually tells the truth, that tries to get to the bottom of the story.

01:43:31.740 We can't just move on like nothing happened.

01:43:34.360 9-11 Commission is a cover.

01:43:37.200 Something did happen.

01:43:39.120 We need to force a new investigation into 9-11 almost 25 years later.

01:43:44.560 Sorry, justice demands it.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - October 10, 2025

New Underwater UFO Sightings and the Non-Human Tech the Government Is Hiding ｜ Rep. Tim Burchett

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