The Tucker Carlson Show - Newest War Developments： AI Bombings, Advice to Trump, and the Nuclear Agenda to Reset the World

00:00:00.000 in a moment we're going to speak to former colonel douglas mcgregor about what is happening around

00:00:09.180 the world in the wake of the war in iran that began a little over a week ago and so much

00:00:15.860 is happening and it's not exactly clear how it's all connected all of a sudden you read that

00:00:22.240 israel is occupying parts of southern lebanon killed a priest last night really what is that

00:00:28.660 is that true you read that there are power outages in bangladesh bangladesh yes asia is suffering the

00:00:36.780 world is suffering due to the choke point of hormuz the straits of hormuz that are closed are semi-closed

00:00:43.060 by iran and have been since this began and that's causing massive downstream effects in markets

00:00:47.740 in manufacturing in the global economy how long is that going to last what's the end game there

00:00:53.000 and then of course the war itself which is playing out in iran and israel and throughout the arab world

00:00:59.960 really primarily in the gulf states but not just the gulf states what's the damage well the truth is

00:01:06.280 in a lot of cases we don't really know because the censorship of this war on social media and of

00:01:13.080 course the big mainstream outlets are censored always have been but the promise of social media was you

00:01:18.180 could get unmetigated information you could get videos live from the scene and now suddenly you

00:01:24.700 can't that lasted about 24 hours before the clampdown and in part that was by governments

00:01:31.320 governments the gulf states they don't want physical destruction of their countries broadcast to the

00:01:38.040 world the government of israel is clamped down completely they don't want videos of tel aviv or

00:01:44.160 hypha burning you can in fact in some of these countries go to jail for posting that stuff

00:01:49.300 online but it's not just the governments of those countries that are imposing censorship it's the

00:01:54.140 social media companies here that are imposing censorship on the american people who are paying

00:01:59.060 for all of this so they can't know and then there does seem to be a kind of censorship practiced by

00:02:05.700 the u.s government around casualties and deaths how many people have died so far in this conflict how

00:02:13.800 many how many have been injured where and under what circumstances now these are sensitive questions

00:02:18.420 in any conflict and of course you don't in any way want to degrade the effectiveness of the u.s

00:02:23.800 military you don't want to dispirit the troops whom we are rooting for sincerely always and everywhere

00:02:29.820 rooting for americans in whatever theater in whatever war it wasn't of their choosing in some cases they

00:02:37.520 are just the people who suffer first and most to do the decisions of politicians so we're always on their

00:02:43.400 side and you don't want to make things worse for them on the other hand americans do have on a

00:02:48.420 fundamental level a right to know the effects of this war on their countrymen if americans are killed

00:02:54.540 we have a right to know that and yet there's some indication that we really don't so as you try to

00:03:01.780 figure out what's going on keep in mind you can't really get the full picture because the clamp down

00:03:07.040 on information so in the conversation that we're about to have we're going to go through what we think

00:03:11.880 we know in some cases we might be wrong just want to be honest about that up front very hard to know

00:03:17.920 what the truth is at this stage really at any stage but particularly in the face of this kind of

00:03:22.460 censorship but we're going to try to be as honest as we possibly can and provide as much information

00:03:27.420 as we possibly can given the limitations because this war matters maybe more than most wars

00:03:34.120 this war hasn't been settled clearly there are parties who would like to settle it but no one

00:03:39.920 person is in charge of whether it gets settled israel is a partner in this war probably the

00:03:45.960 first war the united states has ever fought with a like a true partner with decision making authority

00:03:50.400 it's very different from going into afghanistan with a nato coalition norway didn't have veto power

00:03:55.960 over anything but israel does and so it's complex very complex and the iranians have their own of

00:04:05.320 course completely different agenda so it may not be settled anytime soon we're praying that it is

00:04:10.180 but more fundamentally this is a different kind of war so over the course of our lifetimes most wars the

00:04:19.000 united states has fought all of them really on some level wars of choice the u.s hasn't been invaded

00:04:25.560 really since 1812 so all these are wars that the u.s government decided to become involved in or start

00:04:32.180 and pretty much all of them were initiated on the same pretext which is we are preserving

00:04:38.160 the order of the world the international order the rules-based order whatever you want to call it

00:04:42.160 we're preserving the way things are and this country we're going to war with violated the rules

00:04:47.300 therefore we're going to war to restore the rules that is not what we're watching now

00:04:52.740 there's some evidence that the president of the united states donald trump thought that's what this

00:04:57.620 was about iran wants to get nukes they can't have nukes we can't have more nuclear proliferation you

00:05:02.580 can't have rogue states with nuclear weapons weapons of mass destruction are bad god we've heard that

00:05:05.940 before of course the effect of this will be to radically accelerate proliferation around the world

00:05:12.300 because what's the lesson of what we're doing right now you better have nukes or else you're going

00:05:16.380 to get regime changed no one's trying to regime change north korea because they have nukes

00:05:21.680 so the incentive for every small but reasonably wealthy country as of right now is get nukes as

00:05:30.380 quickly as you can because you're going to get regime changed if you don't potentially and if you're

00:05:37.660 a bystander to a war and happen to get caught up in it like the gulf states are right now no one is

00:05:43.360 going to protect you these security guarantees formal and informal are not real downtown dubai can still

00:05:51.200 get destroyed and your economy destroyed for a generation because who's going to stop it you're

00:05:57.780 on your own so countries that feel they're sincerely on their own have every incentive to have the most

00:06:03.860 effective deterrence possible and that would at this point be nuclear weapons so you're going to see a

00:06:08.080 lot more nuclear armed states in the next few years without question so if the point of this was to

00:06:14.180 preserve the status quo on nukes it had the opposite effect but the point of this was not to preserve the

00:06:20.520 status quo at all it was to overturn the status quo to usher in a new age that's the point of this war

00:06:28.540 this is a pivot in history and a lot of the people supporting it know that now they're really in two

00:06:35.020 groups one are people motivated by religious impulse that would include some israelis some religious jews

00:06:44.560 not all but some and that would include some christians christian zionists and both groups

00:06:51.980 believe that they're helping to accelerate the end of history armageddon the end of time the return of

00:06:58.360 the messiah whatever you want to describe it but both groups believe that history is linear it began in

00:07:03.600 one place and arrives at another with the return of god to earth and then history ends and we are

00:07:10.240 redeemed or damned depending so that's the that's the basic idea and both of these groups seem under

00:07:16.120 the impression that they can force god's hand that they can bring this about through an act of will

00:07:21.680 or violence which is to say both groups believe on some level that they are god which they are not

00:07:27.940 they're not in charge of history you can't force god's hand he's in charge you are not but both

00:07:34.580 groups have lost sight of that so that's their motive and then there are secular boosters of the

00:07:40.920 war promoters of the war planners of the war and their vision while not strictly speaking religious is

00:07:46.900 not really so different they would like to usher in rule by technology whether that's mass surveillance

00:07:54.780 whether it's transhumanism the merging of man and machine but the rule of the earth by technology

00:08:02.860 and there are a lot of people who want this and a lot of people who think it's inevitable

00:08:07.220 and this is the moment where that age of history begins with this war

00:08:14.520 so again this is not a war that is confined to the region this is not a war between the united states

00:08:23.580 and israel and iran this is not a war designed to prevent a rogue state from getting nukes

00:08:28.560 it was never that this is a war designed to usher in a new age of man a new period in history

00:08:39.740 a new world and so wars like that are fundamentally theological in nature that's theology whether it's

00:08:49.540 secular or religious it's still theology these are articles of faith this is an eschatology

00:08:54.740 and wars like that aren't resolved quickly because we're talking not just about disarming a madman

00:09:02.860 we're talking about changing the nature of life on this planet forever so big stakes in the minds of

00:09:10.800 the people pushing this and that means this is going to go on uh for a while declared or not

00:09:16.920 and as it does how do we respond well we pray number one the most effective thing you can do

00:09:24.620 is to say prayers for peace number one most effective thing you can do but to keep an eye on

00:09:31.920 the effect of this war on us here in the united states we're prosecuting this war we're the main

00:09:40.000 combatant here we're spending the most money dropping the most bombs and how do we do that

00:09:46.600 so the key really whether you think this is insane as a lot of people do probably the majority

00:09:53.300 of the country believes that or you think it's necessary some people do believe that fox news

00:09:56.800 viewers believe that democratic leaders believe that in the house and senate but no matter what

00:10:03.360 side you're on the united states needs to behave with honor now why is that because that's the whole

00:10:10.960 point of being the united states you can't have wars in a democratic republic or in a country where

00:10:18.620 the people supposedly rule where their consent is necessary whether it is or not that's what we

00:10:21.880 tell ourselves you can't have wars unless you believe that you are on the deepest level better

00:10:28.920 than the people you're fighting we're not savages they are therefore we get to kill them and we've

00:10:36.580 always told ourselves that in some cases it has been absolutely true whether we can kill them or not

00:10:41.340 that's another question it's a moral question but as a sort of matter of civic engagement the

00:10:49.000 population has to believe they're better than the people they're fighting or else you can't have the

00:10:52.800 war and you're really sort of flirting with revolution at that point and we don't want that

00:10:57.260 so in order to believe you're better than your opponent you have to be you have to behave with honor

00:11:05.600 and so for example if innocents are killed girls at a school to name a current example you have to

00:11:17.260 believe that it was accidental and you have to say out loud that was wrong and in this specific case

00:11:24.240 the bombing of a girls school next to an iranian naval base that was apparently the school of choice for

00:11:32.080 officers at the naval base these were the children the daughters of the people were fighting

00:11:37.180 you have to believe that was accidental despite the fact it was hit twice 40 minutes apart looks very

00:11:44.060 much like a double tap which is to say a bombing and then an attack on the people coming to rescue the

00:11:49.420 injured that's what it looks like but as an american you have to believe this was a tragic mistake

00:11:55.440 but we have to verify that we have to know for certain that it was in order to keep our honor

00:12:02.580 because if you wake up in mourning and you're living in the kind of country that thinks it's okay to kill

00:12:08.580 not simply military officers but their daughters that country is not worth fighting for

00:12:14.440 now speaking for myself i am assuming that was a tragic mistake but it's important to get to the

00:12:20.960 bottom of it how did this happen were these autonomous weapons have made the decision was

00:12:25.600 there an ai program that targeted this school that thought it was something else or thought it was

00:12:30.160 within bounds and targeted it bombed it and then bombed it again 40 minutes later if that's the case

00:12:36.780 no more autonomous weapons for us should we really be making life or death decisions with a machine with

00:12:42.100 no human interaction no human sign off on that of course not that's grotesque to hand the power of life

00:12:48.860 and death over to a machine that's just transparently insane of course you would never do that if you

00:12:56.140 were a civilized country and we can't do that did we do that we need to find out and if we did we

00:13:01.240 can't do that again we have to apologize for it you can't kill the children of your enemies in fact

00:13:08.300 you can't kill innocents period because we're the west and we believe that people are responsible for

00:13:17.340 the sins they commit not for the sins their relatives committed or their ancestors or their future

00:13:23.700 descendants or people who look like them we don't believe that because we believe in the individual

00:13:29.180 soul each person individually accountable to god and to the u.s military for the things he does right

00:13:36.020 and wrong period collective punishment is the opposite of what we believe that's what israel believes and

00:13:41.660 that's why on a basic level israel is not does not have a western outlook because the israeli government

00:13:48.300 believes it is okay to kill people on the basis of their bloodline they are amalek as the prime minister

00:13:56.280 often says again and again and again this is amalek kill not just the perpetrator but his wife

00:14:03.960 his children their children his pets this is a theological concept that christians and the west

00:14:13.440 reject as grotesque and evil we cannot participate in that ever because the moment we do we are not

00:14:21.680 better than the people we're fighting at all and we can't have that it's a stain on all of us

00:14:26.480 so we need to find out what happened there and the second thing we do need to do is make certain

00:14:32.220 that the diplomatic efforts the united states made to get to a political agreement before the war were

00:14:39.760 legitimate that they weren't a ruse designed to distract and trap the iranians why because an

00:14:50.040 honorable nation does not engage in that kind of deceit and trickery an honorable nation states its

00:14:56.060 objectives out loud attempts in good faith a political non-violent solution and then if that

00:15:03.440 fails resorts to force that's the american tradition that's the western tradition that's not the eastern

00:15:10.440 tradition but it's our tradition and we have to uphold it and as of right now we have to believe that's

00:15:17.780 what we did and that it just didn't work couldn't come to terms and so president trump was

00:15:25.480 effectively forced by the israeli government into this decision to go to war but if it ever emerges

00:15:32.160 that our diplomatic efforts with iran both in february of this year and in june of last year were fake

00:15:42.540 and they were designed to lull the iranians into a false sense of security so we could launch a sneak

00:15:48.200 attack on them how is that better than pearl harbor how is that better than any dishonorable sneak attack

00:15:53.120 in history of course it's not it's low it's beneath the united states it's beneath us as american

00:15:58.340 citizens and anyone who participated in that needs to be punished for it right away and as a practical

00:16:03.280 matter it makes diplomacy of all kinds impossible how do we settle the conflict between the united

00:16:08.700 states and russia using ukraine poor ukraine as a proxy we fight the war ukrainians die how do we settle

00:16:16.260 that conflict by the way a lot of us we should had been settled before launching a war on iran because

00:16:23.040 now the russians are of course giving targeting information to the iranians why wouldn't they

00:16:27.520 we've done the same with ukrainians for the last four years that should have been settled

00:16:31.320 but it's going to be hard to settle it now because the message to the rest of the world is american

00:16:37.780 diplomacy is fake it's not real you send negotiators in they distract us and then you prepare

00:16:43.180 a sneak attack on us now we don't know that's what happened there's no proof that's what happened

00:16:48.640 but we need to find out what exactly did happen because you can't behave that way it's a disservice

00:16:57.120 to american citizens if you behave that way and it makes our future much much tougher much much tougher

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00:19:19.900 so giving the full benefit of the doubt to the united states as a default position as americans

00:19:27.340 and we are we need to get to the truth of that and everything else that's happening in this war

00:19:32.140 so with that we turn to a man who is highly informed on this again we're feeling in the dark

00:19:38.780 but we're going to tell you what we think we know uh because you need to know colonel douglas

00:19:44.880 mcgregor doug thanks so much for doing this so energy markets spiked um future spiked last night

00:19:52.940 today they've come down quite a bit they appear to be pricing in a shorter war of the belief that the

00:19:59.420 president of the united states will find what they're calling an off-ramp and that things will

00:20:03.900 cool down quickly is that a good bet do you think what's likely to happen do you believe

00:20:08.320 well i think that's a call that we can't make at this point i think it's going to be very

00:20:14.040 difficult for the president to retreat from some of the more strident remarks that he's made not

00:20:18.940 the least of which is his recent demand for unconditional surrender and we have to remember

00:20:25.040 that from the standpoint of iran and everyone in the in the region looking at this he's demanding

00:20:30.880 unconditional surrender to israel and israel's demands so i i don't think that's likely to happen

00:20:37.500 and i don't know how he gets out of that particular box you know you have to add to that lots of what i

00:20:43.820 would call toxic inflammatory rhetoric about chopping the heads off of babies which iranians have not

00:20:50.280 done and have nothing to do with and i think some statements about deliberately killing children

00:20:56.520 insisting that the children at the school that was bombed in iran were deliberately killed by iran

00:21:03.120 uh there's no evidence for that and and that's the sort of thing that if you're looking for an

00:21:08.760 off-ramp that's not how you find one so i i just in the intro said that i i don't think there's ever

00:21:17.100 been a war led by the united states in which we've had a partner with decision-making authority

00:21:21.960 as israel obviously has have well i ever done this no i think the british had uh considerable influence

00:21:30.320 over us during the second world war not because we liked it we didn't uh we had britain as a staging

00:21:37.700 base the the island offshore was invaluable to us or we couldn't have landed on the continent

00:21:42.820 i i would say something else about your introduction by the way after i heard that

00:21:48.080 if i were a drinking man i would have had a stiff shot of single malt scotch because it's a very

00:21:55.040 sobering introduction i hope everybody listened to you we live in a world today that is so remote

00:22:00.480 from the world that i grew up in it's it's almost impossible to recognize and one of the things that

00:22:07.280 historically presidents have tried to do is they go back to abraham lincoln and he made a number of

00:22:13.120 statements and one of them was paraphrased by reinhold niebuhr i'm sure you've heard of niebuhr yep today

00:22:19.280 nobody studies him anymore but he was a very thoughtful man a theologian a philosopher and

00:22:26.080 someone who studied international relations and he quoted lincoln by saying that the challenge in

00:22:32.800 american foreign policy is to link the contingencies of power with the principles of justice he said you've

00:22:40.880 got to do both yes you can't simply justify armed action on the basis of well it's it's a great we're

00:22:48.560 a great power we've decided to do it has to be done that was unacceptable to him now this was spoken in

00:22:55.200 the 50s in the aftermath of world war ii we did a lot of things during the second world war that we

00:23:00.560 subsequently viewed as having been very wrong curtis lemay famously told his staff if we don't win this

00:23:08.800 war while the war was going on against japan after the war we will all be executed as war criminals

00:23:15.120 because they were fire bombing german or excuse me japanese cities and killing tens of thousands of

00:23:20.560 people so we do know the difference we know what's right and what's wrong and i think we have tried

00:23:27.840 to be on the right side of that equation the problem is that we haven't always linked our actions

00:23:34.800 in the way that lincoln said in other words we don't always link the contingencies of power with

00:23:39.120 the principles of justice and i don't think that our attack on iran is justified it's not something

00:23:47.360 that if you put it to a referendum in the united states people would overwhelmingly support i think

00:23:53.280 people would reject it but we're doing it nonetheless and each day that it that it continues we look

00:24:00.000 less and less justified less and less legitimate and less and less moral i don't think that's something

00:24:06.720 americans want and i don't think a lot of americans are really paying attention at this point sadly

00:24:13.520 because these are things that always happen on other people's soil remote from the united states and

00:24:19.520 so the average american says well it's too bad i'm going to go down to the 7-eleven and buy a six-pack

00:24:26.080 that's part of our problem we're a big country and there are a lot of people that have decided well

00:24:30.240 i don't have any influence it doesn't make any difference who you elect you know you still get

00:24:35.120 the same outcome what's the difference between tony blinken and marco rubio i mean there really isn't

00:24:42.880 what happened with biden well biden was viewed as this very corrupt and not terribly smart man who was

00:24:49.840 then manipulated by people now we have president trump and many people are beginning to wonder

00:24:55.600 whether or not that's also happening to him so it seems as though we haven't seen dramatic change

00:25:00.640 from one administration to the next that's another serious problem but i think your introduction hit

00:25:06.560 something very very hard that we need to focus on you know we need to be concerned about injustice

00:25:12.160 we need to be concerned about human life we can't afford

00:25:16.400 to surrender to the impulse to murder anything that stands in our way and that's effectively what

00:25:22.960 prime minister netanyahu and the israeli state is engaged in

00:25:28.400 well well i mean anyone who does that will be punished for it um it not just in the next life

00:25:33.200 but in this life i mean that's just it's just a fact right that when you murder people you are punished

00:25:39.600 and so you can't engage in that and it and it also saps sort of like the reason for having your

00:25:46.320 country and being proud of it we as you said we've and you've you've led troops in battle you've seen war

00:25:52.080 and you know that if for all the ugly things that happen the united states has made in general a good

00:25:58.880 faith effort to remain decent you know at the level of like shooting people like try to shoot the right

00:26:04.800 people and if we give that up then i you sort of wonder like what we're left with well i think we

00:26:10.880 need to keep something in mind having worked with the air force and knowing people who were targeteers

00:26:17.520 back in 1999 we had six layers of privateers in other words uh if you multiplied it i guess there

00:26:24.560 were like 24 25 26 people all professional targeteers who studied maps who studied photographs

00:26:32.080 studied intelligence and after your targeting had gone through all of these tears that's when the

00:26:39.280 target became valid in other words two people didn't walk in the room put a picture up on the

00:26:44.240 wall and say okay let's blow that up no not at all i'm absolutely certain that whatever we did in iran

00:26:52.000 was an accident absolutely just as our striking of the chinese embassy was an accident yes and that's not

00:26:59.200 necessarily because the targeteers weren't doing their jobs frequently the photographs don't tell

00:27:04.240 you everything frequently you don't have the best maps you should but they're not always perfect

00:27:09.920 you would think at this point having planned for decades to bomb iran let me let's face it this has

00:27:14.800 been on the shelf for a long time in the department of defense excuse me now the department of war

00:27:20.800 so we've looked at lots of targets but this may have been something else earlier or mistaken for

00:27:26.560 something but i know absolutely without question this was not deliberate what i don't like is if

00:27:32.480 it becomes clear and i think it will that we did it it was a tomahawk missile or some standoff munition

00:27:39.520 shouldn't lie about it right this is a big problem everybody's impulse at the top is to lie

00:27:46.400 and if you do that you destroy your credibility not just overseas but here in the united states yes so

00:27:52.720 it's always best just to tell the truth but that seems to be the last thing anybody wants to tell

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00:28:58.240 americanfinancing.net slash tucker america's home for home loans you know i'm i'm sympathetic to the

00:29:05.280 impulse to lie during war because in and even now i mean i think certain things are true i don't know

00:29:11.760 that they are but i probably wouldn't say it because you don't you know there are consequences so i

00:29:15.280 i understand that i think it's wrong but i get it and i agree with you i it's impossible for me to

00:29:20.800 imagine that an american would press go on a tomahawk headed for a girl's school i just i just can't

00:29:26.880 believe that and i don't believe it but i do believe that we have autonomous weapons at work and that some

00:29:34.560 of these targeting decisions are being made by machines not people there's a park called police

00:29:40.320 park in tehran that apparently was blown up because and you can understand if it was an ai

00:29:45.600 program making these decisions it says police and that's enough i'm just guessing i don't i don't

00:29:49.280 know why it was blown up but it was a park no reason to target it that suggests that autonomous weapons

00:29:56.400 that machines are making these decisions and that strikes me as as totally wrong tempting i get it but

00:30:03.120 is that acceptable to you no but i think you have something else at work and i also saw this in the

00:30:09.440 past in in another air campaign that is enormous pressure from the top give us more targets we need

00:30:16.560 them now we have all this equipment we have all this aircraft all these ships they need more targets where

00:30:23.520 are the targets and at the time we were engaged we couldn't find very many valid legitimate military

00:30:32.240 targets in yugoslavia yugoslavia is not a very developed country it's quite backward and so

00:30:37.680 that's when you begin to say well look we'll hit the you know this golf vw golf factory why well it

00:30:45.760 could have military use how well you know they could take the automotive parts and it could be

00:30:51.120 put into the argument this is the sort of mentality that you get and you you blow it up you blow it up

00:30:56.720 because you can find it you have multiple bridges across the river and somebody comes and says

00:31:01.200 there are only two bridges there with any military utility so you get those then you come back later

00:31:06.560 on and say well we got to get we need more targets well what about these bridges well they don't really

00:31:11.200 have any could it be used could soldiers cross that bridge well i suppose so blow it up and i think

00:31:18.720 that's what happens over time with air and missile campaigns you go into something where you don't have

00:31:23.840 a ground force there is no long-term strategic outcome that forces you to include all the elements

00:31:32.320 of power and to think through carefully your objectives you're being told our job is to go in

00:31:37.920 there and bomb the iranian government into submission and that means its 93 million person population is

00:31:47.680 going to be made to suffer until the government relents and surrenders and says okay

00:31:52.800 we'll do what the israelis want i don't think that's plausible i don't think it's militarily useful

00:31:59.520 i don't think it's strategically attainable but it looks to me as though mr netanyahu's delusions and

00:32:05.600 you were talking a little bit about this when you touched on the issue of greater israel have now become

00:32:11.840 president trump's reality i think he is fully absorbed assimilated into the israeli mentality

00:32:19.040 that this state these people must be destroyed or bent to israel's will because if they're not

00:32:28.960 then israel will never be safe and if israel's not safe then potentially we're not safe well you and

00:32:35.680 i know that's wrong you know israel's safety is one thing our safety is another their interests are

00:32:41.920 one set of things one set of goals but not necessarily our interests do we have an interest in destroying

00:32:47.760 iran you know during the war admiral leahey who was uh fdr's effectively chairman of the joint chiefs he

00:32:55.280 was the senior military advisor he'd been cno of the navy very very brilliant man and well very

00:33:02.160 experienced he brought in uh arnold who was chief of the chief of staff of the air force at the time

00:33:07.040 de facto under marshall and general marshall was chief of staff of the army and he sat them down and

00:33:12.480 he said do you understand that when this war ends we actually want to be friends with the germans and

00:33:20.640 the japanese and they both sat there with blank faces and he obviously it was obviously they didn't

00:33:27.040 understand he said this war is going to end you are destroying everything in these countries this is a

00:33:35.680 catastrophe well leahey was thinking into the future is it really in the interest of the united

00:33:42.240 states in our lives to flatten germany to turn it into rubble and of course you always have people

00:33:48.560 that are eager to hate in the plural and internalize hatred and say oh yeah let's get those people they're

00:33:54.640 terrible and so forth same thing japanese attacked us in december 1941 they deserve it really you know

00:34:04.960 we destroyed both countries for all intents and purposes and then we spent 50 years paying for it

00:34:10.080 it was called the cold war because we turned half the world over to communism now we are we're apparently

00:34:17.760 on the road to destroying iran and make no mistake about it we have the capacity to destroy iran now if

00:34:24.880 this doesn't come fast enough or we begin to back away from it what does mr netanyahu do and i think

00:34:31.520 that's a question that we need to answer because he is not clearly under the authority of the president

00:34:37.520 of the united states he is you know in other words the president is the commander in chief of nato

00:34:44.000 if nato goes to war they look to us our c4 isr our command structures and everything and the president

00:34:50.800 to make final decisions the british and the french would never launch a nuclear weapon without consulting with

00:34:56.800 us is that the case with mr netanyahu who leads a country that refuses to admit that it has any

00:35:03.760 nuclear weapons and i would argue no so while we may be partnered this relationship is not is not an easy

00:35:13.440 one and we should not delude ourselves into believing that under the worst case scenario if they're not

00:35:20.000 satisfied or they think that their country is being finished off and quite frankly right now even though

00:35:26.000 we're not seeing a lot of footage from israel israel is being subjected to pulverization the the large

00:35:33.920 missiles the quorum shar ii that landed on top of haifa and destroyed the refinery the oil infrastructure

00:35:40.400 i'm sure the docks have taken a beating i mean that's a very important port for israel and if we were

00:35:46.160 going to bring troops into the region we would probably have to come through that port right now

00:35:52.560 it's in bad shape it may get worse so is this going to go on and on and on i think right now

00:35:59.680 there's no end in sight because there's really no strategy other than we're going to bomb you into

00:36:04.640 submission and a war with no strategy tends to be a war effectively without end and then if you pour

00:36:12.240 oil onto the fire and say either you surrender unconditionally or we destroy you what does

00:36:18.480 the enemy do what is the incentive for him to surrender to someone who is demanding effectively

00:36:24.720 the submission of his country his people to a state like israel that hates them and they're well aware

00:36:30.720 of that why would the u.s government ever yoke itself in a war to a country with different aims with

00:36:41.360 different objectives and this is not an attack on israel but any country that had a different goal

00:36:49.440 why would you ever be a co-equal partner with that country well we concluded in the aftermath of world

00:36:57.040 war one that the bank of england and the british empire had enormous influence over us had misinformed

00:37:03.360 us misled us yes with the unfortunately with the assistance of president wilson and of course

00:37:10.800 the man who was his quote chief of staff and national security advisor was not even an american

00:37:16.080 citizen he was a british subject his name was colonel house and that led to conclusions after the war

00:37:22.800 that this should never happen again one of the reasons it was so much opposition to going to war

00:37:28.800 in europe again was because of the experience during world war one not we took terrible casualties that's

00:37:34.720 another story awful worse frankly in a shorter period of time than world war ii and i think what we

00:37:41.200 have now is a similar situation we have large numbers of people who are dual citizens and we have large

00:37:46.960 numbers of people who they call them zionist billionaires uh pick whatever name you want they

00:37:52.960 have spent enormous quantities of money over many years to reach the condition that exists today a

00:37:59.360 a condition under which israel's demands and you have to link israel to the larger financial picture

00:38:07.040 because these billionaires control more than just a fraction of finance they control the financial

00:38:13.040 system in our country have a huge impact on it globally certainly in the west and they have

00:38:18.480 interests in expanding that power and influence israel is a way to do that and the israelis of course

00:38:24.880 they see themselves in a position of either we expand or eventually we die that's because we

00:38:30.240 don't have enough people our birth rate isn't high enough so we have to annihilate the people that are

00:38:35.360 close to us in our country and eventually on our borders and expand that means you march into lebanon it

00:38:41.840 means you march into the sinai and into egypt it means you go south into jordan and saudi arabia all

00:38:47.360 you have to do is look at the map i mean from their standpoint this is a rational calculus

00:38:52.640 i just don't think it's attainable by them and that's why we're involved because the only way to

00:38:58.960 attain these goals and objectives is with the enormous power and influence of the united states

00:39:04.960 and we have committed ourselves heart and soul to this project it's as simple as that all you had to

00:39:11.760 do was listen to the state of the union speech by president trump and the one time everybody stood up

00:39:18.400 left and right democrats republicans was when he talked about depriving iran permanently of any

00:39:25.440 nuclear weapon and everybody stood up and applauded and i will not allow that i will prevent that well

00:39:33.920 first of all there's no evidence that they've got a nuclear weapon we haven't had any evidence for that

00:39:38.320 for a long time so is that really what this is about no i don't think so i think it's about more than

00:39:43.840 that it's it's also about the missile arsenal that they want to eradicate in other words iran has to

00:39:50.480 live in a state of permanent vulnerability to israeli attack and destruction otherwise israel is not safe

00:39:58.480 now many of these corrupt arab states have accepted that bargain and they are in the view of many of the

00:40:05.200 people that live in the region in arab countries as members of the arab version of the epstein class

00:40:14.640 and they're hated so when you go to the emirates for instance there are plenty of people living in

00:40:19.680 these countries who privately are very happy to see these people removed from power these family

00:40:25.360 dictatorships which are hopelessly corrupt they're sick of it so we're we're involved in much more than

00:40:32.080 just iran this has global implications for power and influence and it's no accident that you have

00:40:39.520 mr whitkoff and mr kushner as the principal diplomats and in russia the russians have sort of looked at

00:40:49.360 this and say okay fine we understand you want your son-in-law and you want your friend to negotiate and

00:40:54.960 they want to enrich themselves in the process fine we'll help them do that but please can't you find your

00:41:02.000 way to an agreement with us can't we hammer out something concrete that serves our interests as

00:41:07.040 well as yours and of course the answer to that thus far has been no and i think you're dealing with

00:41:14.320 the same people vis-a-vis iran we pray that the war with iran ends immediately but the truth is it

00:41:19.680 doesn't seem to be ending immediately if you're the head of household you need to think through what

00:41:26.240 this could mean for you and the people you're in charge of the ones who love you who rely on you

00:41:31.920 and in a time like this you can't really know what's going to happen next energy markets are

00:41:36.480 one indication they're rattled people are dying the world is well one miscalculation from something

00:41:43.840 really really bad so it's really clear you can't outsource your responsibility for your family for your

00:41:50.960 people to the government when systems fail they fail and they fail quickly no one's coming to stock

00:41:56.560 your pantry or keep the lights on so at minimum you should be thinking this through don't wait for

00:42:01.440 disaster to strike to ensure that you have the basics covered food water light energy and that's

00:42:08.560 exactly why we started a company called last country supply it's our store it carries the same

00:42:14.480 preparedness products that we have well in this barn for example the products that give any head of

00:42:20.000 household peace of mind knowing that if something bad happened you could take care of the people

00:42:23.840 you're responsible for no matter what so continue to pray for an end to war and violence but also at

00:42:30.160 the same time make sure that your family is ready stock up in the products that we trust at last

00:42:35.040 country supply dot com slash tucker why would the united states ever allow its own citizens to be killed

00:42:44.080 in order to expand the israeli empire well it's not an empire let's face it it's a relatively small

00:42:52.160 country the size of new jersey so i guess if you live in jersey that's an empire i've got some friends

00:42:57.440 who are in the army with me and they were italian and it was an empire uh but that's another story

00:43:04.000 uh i think americans don't completely grasp what's happening and they have been force-fed for

00:43:10.000 decades uh a narrative that is designed to depict the iranian state and its people as the sworn enemies

00:43:19.360 of mankind and most of all of us of course people that have been there spent any time there especially

00:43:25.440 over the last 20 years have come back and said look iran today bears very little resemblance to iran

00:43:31.760 of 47 years ago iran has changed a great deal in fact

00:43:35.760 i think you can make a good case that had we not bombed anybody and stayed out of this

00:43:43.520 that within the next six months to eight months the islamic government would be gone

00:43:50.000 because i think the country itself sees it not as this islamic state at all it sees itself as a persian

00:43:58.880 state with a persian history and culture many many people in that country view islam itself as a

00:44:05.600 unwanted import from the arab world now there are plenty of people who are very religious there's

00:44:12.240 no question about it most of them live in the rural areas very few of them live in in the large urban

00:44:17.520 areas and here's another interesting insight i received this lengthy note from someone in the region

00:44:26.480 who explained that we had when we bombed and the israelis bombed tehran they killed large

00:44:31.840 numbers of people in these what they call middle class upper class neighborhoods who are actually

00:44:37.360 very much in agreement with us that the islamic government should go away yeah i think if left

00:44:43.920 alone it'll go it'll go that way one way or the other but iran is a nation state they're not prepared

00:44:51.200 to sacrifice their sovereignty put their citizenry at permanent risk essentially to live

00:44:58.400 under the control of what they see as the epstein class and on a plantation run by the epstein class

00:45:04.480 and that's the way they look at it and we don't see it that way because we're not thinking in those

00:45:10.080 terms all we can do is go back to 1982 talk about these marines in that barracks that were killed but

00:45:17.440 nobody knows the whole story behind that business and i stumbled on this because cap weinberger who the

00:45:24.480 former secretary of defense his office called asked me to fly to washington he wanted to talk to me

00:45:28.880 about this book i'd written called breaking the phalanx which he liked and so i i said sure i flew

00:45:35.760 back there and i ended up spending instead of the expected hour i was there for almost two and a half

00:45:43.120 it was a wonderful meeting and one of the things that came up was beirut

00:45:47.360 because one of the arguments i was making is that if we followed this plan

00:45:51.440 went to a very small but but potent presence in kuwait and just kept that there

00:45:56.640 we might avoid any any future war in the middle east he said of course absolutely no question

00:46:01.200 about it makes perfect sense and i said well what happened in beirut and he said you know that's an

00:46:06.720 interesting story i was sitting in my office watching television and suddenly it was announced

00:46:13.040 that president reagan had approved the commitment of u.s marines in and around beirut as part of some

00:46:20.240 sort of peacekeeping operation to separate the pla or the plo from the israelis and so forth

00:46:29.440 and he said no one called me he said ronald reagan didn't call me didn't say anything so i picked up

00:46:34.240 the phone and i called the office and i said can i see the president and the secretary said of course

00:46:39.520 mr weimer come over i'm sure he'd be delighted to see you he and reagan got along very well

00:46:44.000 so he showed up and he walked in the office and uh he said sit down cap what's going on he said well

00:46:49.760 you just announced this what are you doing and he said well you know george schultz was here

00:46:56.960 he spent a couple of hours and he convinced me that we had a moral obligation to participate in this

00:47:03.920 peace keeping force multinational that's going to bring peace to to lebanon and beirut and keep the

00:47:11.600 israelis and the plo part and he said sir that you're not going to get that in that part of the

00:47:17.280 world all we're going to be are targets this is a waste of time it's worse than that it's dangerous

00:47:25.040 can't you rescind the order he said well cap i made a public speech i committed myself and my

00:47:31.360 administration to this how would i look if i suddenly within a few hours announced that no i've

00:47:36.720 reconsidered it we're not going to part to participate in what this is being built as a moral

00:47:42.160 mission so he said all right he said well i'm sorry cap i should have called you but you know

00:47:47.440 george was here and so forth well you know george schultz is a secretary of state was considered on

00:47:52.480 the very liberal side and cap weinberg was furious said fast forward several months and i get a call in

00:47:59.200 the middle of the night and it's the secretary to reagan he says the president wants to see you

00:48:03.520 immediately so he gets up and he finds out about this bombing you know he finds it's coming through

00:48:09.040 cnn and everything else this time when he when he gets to the white house he walks to the door

00:48:14.080 the door opens and ronald reagan is standing right in front of him and he walks in and he grabs

00:48:19.360 weinberger's hand he said you know cap you were right i was wrong now we need to get our men out of

00:48:26.800 there immediately yes and the rest is history he did now there were lots of statements about will

00:48:34.960 track down whoever did this everything else but he understood we were blown up because we were there

00:48:42.320 most of the people that we lost in iraq and i would argue afghanistan have been killed because we were there

00:48:49.520 and the real question is why were we there and i've never been satisfied with the explanations

00:48:58.160 because if you wanted to remove somebody from power in a place like iraq that's a fairly

00:49:02.880 straightforward operation you don't have to kill a lot of people and the army will help you

00:49:07.120 you know we look what was demonstrated in venezuela i mean i i think that was a a bad decision but

00:49:13.760 nevertheless what did we demonstrate that we could pay everybody off

00:49:16.720 and we could shut everything down go in and bring out the president and his wife fine well

00:49:23.280 those kinds of things can be done in certain countries under certain circumstances i don't

00:49:28.000 think it was a good thing i wouldn't have done it but that's water under the bridge now you're dealing

00:49:33.760 with a civilizational state persia represents much much more than people in the united states realize

00:49:42.240 they owe some of their culture and language to sanskrit and indian civilization which is another

00:49:47.920 civilizational state russia is a civilizational state china is a civilizational state these are

00:49:55.520 foundation stones in the edifice of humanity and world civilization now you want to destroy persia which

00:50:04.320 has been around for 2 700 years well good luck i don't see it happening and i don't think if it even

00:50:13.200 gets close that the russians and the chinese are going to sit there and do nothing how do we get out

00:50:22.160 i think you have to find an intermediary first of all someone who is not part of a problem

00:50:33.040 my my personal preference if i were advising the president is to call president or excuse me prime

00:50:39.840 minister modi in india now you can say well he was just in israel well that's fine he has good relations

00:50:47.120 with israel that's not a bad thing he also has good relations with iran uh he's he's never being

00:50:54.480 an enemy of the iranian people neither are the shiite iranians his enemy and he knows that

00:51:01.200 and he gets reasonable relations with the chinese they have their differences up in the mountains

00:51:06.320 in the himalayas the hindu kush and that is a legacy of british hilonism but my point is that he's

00:51:12.240 historically leading a neutral state and a neutral state that is growing in in stature in power in

00:51:19.680 influence and importance we should recognize that and welcome it not treat it as a problem

00:51:26.000 and i think if president trump talked to him and said look we we need to end this and somebody will

00:51:33.440 say well why do you need to end it because if we don't we're going to hit 300 per barrel of oil

00:51:40.800 we're going to watch 60 to 80 percent of the stock value crash people are going to lose trillions in

00:51:48.560 wealth it will be a disaster and it's not something we'll recover from we've we've already seen that

00:51:55.280 the israelis hit a refinery on the outskirts of tehran and what did iran do they destroyed the refinery

00:52:01.840 and it's supporting infrastructure in haifa how does this help us how does this help anybody the

00:52:09.680 damage that's being done is going to be semi-permanent and by that i mean it's going to take years to

00:52:16.160 recover from this the qatari government has said we're shutting down we can't store anymore we can't

00:52:22.400 drill anymore we can't refine anymore i mean this this is a catastrophe we look at this and say well

00:52:29.360 only three percent of our oil comes from the gulf well i got news for you 50 of it goes to india

00:52:34.400 goes to india 50 goes to china you know 70 plus percent goes to japan mid 60 or so 64 65 goes to

00:52:45.520 south korea now did we call the president or the prime minister of japan did we call the president

00:52:53.040 of korea and say by the way we're considering a war against iran action against iranians and

00:53:01.120 we want to know what you think the impact will be on your country because you are friends of ours

00:53:07.680 you are our allies did we do that i don't think so i think we are acting like the biggest bully in the

00:53:16.000 schoolyard the hell with everybody else this is what i want and i'm going to pound your face into

00:53:21.200 the dust i mean we've all seen those people they exist i grew up with some of them had the crap kicked

00:53:26.320 out of me once or twice at recess i know exactly what that is well you can't do that in international

00:53:31.680 relations for very long before people gang up against you we already have this thing called

00:53:39.360 bricks and we seem to be determined to destroy that because we see bricks and right now it has what 10

00:53:45.840 members something like that and there are 50 60 standing in line ready to join we don't like it

00:53:51.440 because they're looking at potentially gold-backed currency what a novel idea and if it's not gold

00:53:57.280 it'll be gold plus maybe platinum silver who knows other precious metals and we're saying well this is a

00:54:04.240 threat to us it's a threat to our petrodollar tucker we're killing the petrodollar right now in the gulf

00:54:12.000 this is going to end this very lucrative cycle where people we buy oil they take the dollars that they

00:54:21.520 that they get from us and they reinvest it in our country in a place called the bond market

00:54:27.360 not anymore and that's one of the engines that drives our economy we've thrown all caution to the

00:54:34.880 wind think of any number of worst case scenarios and they are on the horizon president trump is still

00:54:42.320 president of the united states not president of israel and he has to think about the consequences here at

00:54:50.320 home for us for the average man not for the billionaire class the epstein class for the rest of us i don't

00:54:58.080 see that we're thinking this through and i don't just blame him because he's had wholehearted support

00:55:04.000 from everybody on the hill don't believe any of those democrats from chuck schumer to slot any number of

00:55:10.000 them oh i was always against it really well you sure as hell aren't on record and things are getting

00:55:16.560 very bad eventually i think members of his own party will desert him if he doesn't find an off ramp so

00:55:23.600 back to your question step number one find a mediator somebody that they will listen to because no one is

00:55:30.640 going to listen to us if you're an iranian would you pay any attention to what we say how many times have

00:55:36.720 they been attacked in the midst of negotiations now twice why would the russians pay any attention to

00:55:43.280 us it this is this is a catastrophe and if we do nothing eventually we will wake up and discover there

00:55:50.720 are some aircraft in the airspace over iran they're probably russian and they probably will put up

00:55:57.600 something similar to awax and if that shows up then the message is stop and the question is what do you do

00:56:07.120 you know we used to have this thing in the ranger course it's three o'clock in the morning it's uh

00:56:11.920 below zero outside you're in the mountains and snow up to your rear end and somebody walks in and says

00:56:17.440 you're now the patrol commander you're now the platoon leader uh where are you on the map what are you

00:56:24.960 going to do now ranger i mean that's kind of where donald trump is headed what's he going to do then

00:56:31.200 i mean i clearly the wise course at this point since it doesn't appear to be a way to open the

00:56:38.320 straits using the u.s military is to try and decelerate to find that mediator but the hitch or one of

00:56:46.560 them is is israel i mean if iran remains intact with a functioning government that is a descendant

00:56:56.800 direct descendant of the previous government that we tried to overthrow

00:56:59.600 we wound up killing the wife and the child of the current ayatollah apparently that government

00:57:07.700 will acquire nuclear weapons why wouldn't they and will dedicate itself even more resolutely to the

00:57:15.200 destruction of israel so if you're i think why wouldn't they and they've said they will so if

00:57:20.320 you're israel you you can't you cannot allow that you can't have a ceasefire and leave this government

00:57:26.240 intact and that leaves you no recourse but weapons of mass destruction does it well it could there is

00:57:35.200 also the other possibility and that is that as the pakistani government has said they will provide a

00:57:40.960 nuclear weapon to the iranians now the pakistanis have always had a very close relationship with the

00:57:47.200 turks and that's one of the reasons that erdogan who's the ultimate fence sitter never quite aligns with

00:57:53.840 anybody and it's worked well for him by the way yes martin i don't think he can do that much longer

00:57:59.280 has always said we're not afraid of you because the pakistanis have made it clear they will have

00:58:03.680 a nuclear weapon if they need it in fact the exact conversation was held back under the obama

00:58:08.800 administration and i think it was the deputy secretary of state who was there and he said what

00:58:13.440 do you do if iran gets a nuclear weapon and he asked the chief of staff of the turkish armed forces

00:58:18.080 and he said well that's not a problem he said why not because pakistan has said they'll provide us

00:58:23.360 with a nuclear weapon if that happens yes this is your Saudi Arabia as well yeah and this is your

00:58:30.080 logic playing out exactly what you described so you gotta you really want to stop this train now

00:58:36.880 that's headed down the side of a mountain and doesn't seem to have any brakes so you've got to

00:58:41.360 go to someone who can stand in there now you've got to tell this man what are you prepared to do

00:58:46.400 you know are you prepared to cease fire immediately which is not difficult to do because we're talking

00:58:51.840 about air and naval forces if you had seven eight hundred thousand men under arms on the ground in a

00:58:57.920 massive army that stopping everything is very difficult but air and naval forces could immediately

00:59:04.480 disengage pull back yep that can be done uh are you willing to do that and if you are willing to do that

00:59:13.120 uh what should i ask the iranians to do you know the first step is to get this fighting to stop

00:59:20.720 because of exactly what we're discussing it's going to run out of control

00:59:25.120 and i have worried from the beginning because i i have people in israel that i cared about very much

00:59:29.200 some friends and they're all angry with me because i'm not unconditionally supporting what they're doing

00:59:34.080 and i told them from the beginning i don't think this will work and i do not think this is in the

00:59:37.920 interest of the israeli state and i have said if this goes to the to the inevitable conclusion israel

00:59:44.480 may not survive this and i think the hatred the hostility that is growing in the region not just

00:59:51.680 against us but especially especially against israel is just earth-shattering beyond anything anybody has

00:59:57.920 ever seen it needs to stop now i hear all these people worrying about anti-semitism well if you're

01:00:04.880 worried about that then stop doing what's what's going on that's the quickest and easiest way to

01:00:11.200 try and bring this under control no their their thinking is if we kill everybody who doesn't like

01:00:15.440 us we'll be fine

01:00:19.840 yeah that that attitude doesn't have a good track record that's self that's self-defeating um i would

01:00:24.800 say and i i agree you know there's one other thing i i i'd like to mention real quick and this was a

01:00:30.240 conversation believe it or not that churchill allegedly had with stalin and through an

01:00:36.400 interpreter i have to understand churchill knew stalin was a criminal and a murderer no doubt about it

01:00:42.960 and he certainly did not see him as morally superior to hitler in fact he probably thought he was worse

01:00:49.840 and stalin knew that and he used to sort of jab at him because fdr was stalin's poodle anything

01:00:56.160 stalin did was good and he stalin was morally superior to the british empire anyhow stalin said to

01:01:04.160 churchill you know what the difference between me and hitler is and churchill's no he said i know when

01:01:12.960 to stop yeah he was right he was right hitler never figured that out and he vanished stalin survived

01:01:23.200 yep until he went too far domestically and his own guys killed him but yeah no i mean he lived

01:01:30.080 another eight years may i may ask what do you think the likelihood of the u.s committing ground troops

01:01:37.120 is i i think it's zero i don't even know why they they maintain the pretense first of all the army

01:01:44.320 today is a shadow of what it was 30 years ago and i hear all this well i've rebuilt the military

01:01:50.240 during my first term that's just silly uh armies take about 10 years to build you know that's what

01:01:58.080 it took us after the vietnam war and it took us 10 years to build an army uh it probably takes 20 plus

01:02:05.200 years to build a navy because the building ships and submarines is time consuming resource consuming

01:02:11.280 very expensive takes a long time to train people one of the reasons that yamamoto attacked pearl harbor

01:02:18.800 he said was if we're going to fight the americans we have to kill all the officers in the united

01:02:23.920 states navy so we need to kill them in the harbor in pearl harbor if we can kill them it'll take the

01:02:31.360 united states years to recover from the loss of all those trained officers he was right didn't work

01:02:36.960 thank god but i don't think people understand civilians have no idea what it takes to build effective

01:02:43.600 military power and the second thing is a draft privately i would like to have a selective draft

01:02:51.520 because i think average young man not woman but the average american male who he's got an iq of 100 or

01:02:58.320 above and is physically fit should spend a couple of years in the military i think it's a healthy thing

01:03:03.840 but that's not widely accepted in our country we don't like it the british never liked it so

01:03:09.200 the idea of of this being something good is impossible to convince people to support and if

01:03:16.000 you go back you lived through the vietnam period at least some of it and i as soon as nixon ended the

01:03:21.440 draft suddenly all the demonstrations against the war went away now there were some very sincere people

01:03:28.960 who were against the war for all the right reasons my point is the vast majority just didn't want

01:03:34.400 to go yeah what's it going to be like now why are we going to iran where is this place how long is it

01:03:41.840 going to take us to get there and then we have to look at what's happened in eastern ukraine

01:03:46.720 warfare has changed it's changed dramatically we have persistent surveillance above we can see

01:03:52.880 everything everywhere all the time we can target everything everywhere all the time so where are you

01:03:59.760 going to concentrate two or three hundred thousand men how many ports are you going to get into how

01:04:05.680 soon are you going to be taken under effective ballistic missile attack and we already know that

01:04:11.280 however much money you spend on air and missile defense it's not going to be good enough to deal with

01:04:17.040 modern hypersonic missiles can't be done so it's it's an accident and a disaster waiting to happen

01:04:23.920 we're not prepared for that and the nation psychologically is not prepared for it because no one has

01:04:29.520 sold anything to them we haven't had any fireside chats from donald trump saying i just want to spend

01:04:36.240 a few minutes and explain to you why i'm doing what i'm doing have you ever heard that no so why would

01:04:44.320 anybody go do you think it's possible since you're describing a cul-de-sac you know box canyon here um once

01:04:55.200 again do you think it's possible that nuclear weapons are used if a nuclear weapon is used it will

01:05:03.840 be by netanyahu and his government not us yes good i i you know i i've met and talked with president trump i like

01:05:12.800 president trump personally and you can say what you will about the man but i see no evidence that he would be talked

01:05:19.280 into that by mr netanyahu i just don't i hope i'm not wrong but i just don't see that happening

01:05:26.160 i also see little evidence that people at the top of the military establishment collectively would

01:05:32.560 sign on for that you might get a few unfortunately most of them are airmen or in the navy but i i don't

01:05:39.760 think they would be very supportive i think they'd say is this really the right place time and reason

01:05:45.280 yes because increasingly we view nuclear weapons as something that protects your territorial integrity

01:05:52.720 everybody knows that if you try to invade the united states from canada or mexico yeah we'll nuke you

01:05:59.040 no no question about it right but why would we do that with iran but israel is different as we've

01:06:05.280 discussed and the more desperate they become if iran does not submit and i see no evidence that they

01:06:12.160 will submit the more likely that option could be embraced and employed and that's why we started

01:06:19.360 this because you asked specifically about who has the authority i hope president trump does but i don't

01:06:26.880 think so i think mr netanyahu is going to do whatever mr netanyahu wants to do

01:06:34.400 i mean because we're implicated in that and because the million-odd americans who live in the region

01:06:40.080 and the energy interest there and just like the fate of the world are all part of this calculation

01:06:46.000 why wouldn't we bring him to heal and prevent that how do you do that how do you do that i mean you're

01:06:53.920 going to have all the people that put you into the white house that spent billions on your campaigns

01:06:59.440 who gave you the power and the congress that is essentially being purchased by the lobby not by the

01:07:06.240 lobby directly but by the zionist billionaires that pour money into the process to get people elected

01:07:12.160 you know how that works what are they going to do are any of them going to sober up and and go to trump

01:07:20.800 and say look this has gone too far i don't see any evidence for that

01:07:29.120 before this started we are now learning and i think these are accurate reports that members of the

01:07:35.360 uniformed military understood advisors to the president understood that this was not the things

01:07:40.560 we were promising we would achieve were not actually achievable and that this was a very unwise course

01:07:46.240 they knew that that but apparently none of them threatened to resign if the president went forward

01:07:52.240 what do you think of that well we have to understand something about the people in uniform

01:07:58.080 and i don't think we've ever had anybody that resigned in protest the only one that i can think of

01:08:03.760 who made his views on vietnam uh heard was general decker he only served two years as chief of staff of the

01:08:12.240 army because mcnamara went to kennedy and said he doesn't support our policy in southeast asia he won't

01:08:18.720 put any troops in so kennedy said get rid of him so he he simply retired at the end of the first two years of his

01:08:26.320 service as chief of staff but we say in theory that and this is something that goes back to frederick the great of prussia

01:08:34.800 any officer who's conscious conscious will not permit him to execute an order always has the right to refuse that order and resign his commission without prejudice

01:08:48.320 yes the problem is we don't let people go like that if general kane were to go in and say this is it

01:08:56.080 can't do this i'm tendering my resignation he loses his retirement benefits and his pension

01:09:04.080 why so if you're in the military and you do that you lose your whether you're a sergeant or whomever you are

01:09:09.040 the law says if you resign and protest over something you don't get to keep your pension and you don't get to keep your benefits

01:09:16.320 so it's it's really not true now when you move to the civilian side the cabinet members what's to stop them

01:09:27.360 nothing and that's where the resignations should take place

01:09:33.520 but that's the last place i would expect to see any even though you and i know a couple of them

01:09:39.120 and consider them friends i don't see any evidence for that and and the theory is interestingly enough

01:09:45.200 if i do this i poison the waters against me for the rest of my life if you're in the military i'll never

01:09:52.960 get a job after you know i leave no one will hire me in the defense establishment no one will hire me

01:09:59.840 anyone and the civilian says well i won't get any cushy jobs no bank boards no no industrial you know

01:10:08.160 concerns nobody will have me around it's it's a terrible thing because the ones who really have the

01:10:14.560 flexibility to simply stand up and say thank you very much here's my resignation i'm handing it to

01:10:20.240 you right now as of this moment i resign as x and you could walk out of the oval office and that's just

01:10:26.000 fine instead what will happen if we're going to project into the future is if we don't change course

01:10:34.000 we're going to escalate we're going to double down no words well if the last uh 2 000 bombs and 800

01:10:43.280 missiles didn't do it we'll drop 500 000 bombs and 200 more missiles you understand that's where we're

01:10:50.640 headed double down escalate escalate escalate and then at some point it's going to dawn on everybody

01:10:56.800 this has gone too far this is dangerous either because the russians make it clear they won't

01:11:01.360 tolerate or the chinese or both or because they suddenly look in the united states and people have

01:11:06.560 said wait a minute you know i can't put gas into my car i don't have a job anymore i mean you just

01:11:12.880 go down the list economic catastrophe will visit us then all the heroic figures in the cabinet will

01:11:18.960 say i resign you know i i never saw a more empty place than the west wing of the white house and

01:11:27.840 the executive office building right after the election in 2020 that's what you'd see everybody

01:11:35.200 says i'm out of here do you think i mean you're describing a system that doesn't serve the country

01:11:43.600 it governs and that moreover has been revealed as useless in fact counterproductive like everyone

01:11:50.080 knows this isn't working now you can't lie about it anymore so does that mean we get a new system

01:11:56.000 are there after this war however it's resolved however it ends do you think that there will be

01:12:03.520 structural changes to the country i think we have to anticipate something like that happening

01:12:09.120 because government federal government is a big part of our lives i i listen to people all the time

01:12:15.120 say well i want a smaller government well check your mailbox what are you getting in the mail

01:12:21.360 what's coming into your bank account how much of it is government how much of it is federal

01:12:27.280 people don't realize that what is the what is the percentage of the gross domestic product now for

01:12:34.240 the government somewhere in the 30 plus percent um you know back in 1900 it was what two percent

01:12:42.240 you go back before the civil war less than one percent i mean the government was there

01:12:47.360 but it wasn't a big feature of the economy and involved in our lives you know general sherman

01:12:54.400 and everybody's heard of sherman and his civil war service he became commander of the united

01:12:59.280 states army in those days we didn't have a staff system so he just was designated commander in chief

01:13:03.920 u.s army and he was so frustrated with the corruption in washington that without telling grant who was then

01:13:11.440 president he packed everybody in the war department up and he went to st louis

01:13:16.960 he said i'm getting out of washington and when grant found out he said oh my god and he said why did you

01:13:25.120 do this he said this is a cesspool it is full of corruption i hate those people and finally grant

01:13:32.640 persuaded his old friend you gotta come back to washington and eventually he did so this is not an

01:13:40.000 entirely new problem no but in those days the government was not what it is today it's very

01:13:45.440 intrusive it's a source of wealth everybody that is sitting in the various cabinet departments over

01:13:51.920 there a lot of them have their eyes on money what comes down the pike what what sort of new generous

01:14:00.320 program grant or opportunity is presented and they're involved they're they're they're part of this

01:14:07.200 process a friend of mine said the other day he said these people are parasitic they're like crustaceans

01:14:12.880 you know or remora on the body of a shark i said well that's pretty rough but you know

01:14:21.120 as i said this is a huge problem and the american people when when things go very badly for us in the

01:14:26.080 financial system in the economy they're going to want answers and it's not going to be pretty and

01:14:31.040 this unfortunately what we're doing right now is put us on an accelerated path into disaster i think

01:14:36.720 yeah and i i mean it was so obviously going to happen it was it was just couldn't be clearer that

01:14:43.680 there was no compelling national security related reason to do this that the aims even to the extent

01:14:50.480 they were articulated were going to be hard to achieve if not impossible and that we were dragged into

01:14:55.520 this by a foreign government which is what happened that was all so obvious that you have to kind of

01:15:02.800 think maybe destroying or weakening the united states was was the point i i don't think so but

01:15:11.440 now you're up against a different problem there are a lot of people in washington that do not understand

01:15:18.160 what stalin talked about limits they don't understand the limits of power they don't understand the

01:15:24.400 financial limits of expense they don't appreciate debt remember oh this is the the new economy uh

01:15:33.680 debt no longer matters i mean i don't know how many times i've had people tell me that for the last 10

01:15:38.320 years you know after world war ii when eisenhower was president what does he do he shrinks the defense

01:15:45.120 budget he cuts back on the size of the army he invests in nuclear weapons he sees this as a relatively

01:15:52.400 inexpensive way to maintain deterrence tries to keep the navy and the air force within bounds which is

01:15:58.720 why everybody in the services at the time he's president hated him now why well he understood that

01:16:05.200 investment in military power there's no salvage value to what you produce right in other words it's the

01:16:11.920 sunken cost is enormous he also understood something else he didn't want to be involved in wars

01:16:17.840 why not why would the man that was at the top of the military establishment in europe not want to be

01:16:23.360 involved in a war well in january of 1945 he had sent a letter to marshall and said oh my god this bulge

01:16:32.000 is terrible the germans have done something we didn't think they could do i need more men and marshall wrote

01:16:38.160 back you're not getting anymore you've got all the forces that you're going to get you better get out

01:16:45.280 there and win the war so eisenhower learned there were limits to what we could produce that's right

01:16:52.640 limits to how much we could invest and we were not stalin we could not pave the road to berlin with

01:16:59.120 millions and millions and millions and millions of dead troops dead soldiers and destroyed lives and

01:17:04.960 civilians so he kept us out now then you get jack kennedy and later on you get lbj and nixon and these three

01:17:13.040 people were at a very low level during the second world war and they were in the pacific and they

01:17:18.800 saw these vast fleets on the ocean and aircraft in the sky and they said we're the greatest country in

01:17:24.560 the world my god no one can do what we can do our power is limitless and eisenhower always said that's

01:17:32.960 a mirage our power is limited always yes and we have to operate within limits

01:17:40.720 i don't see anyone with a sense of that in washington no one not in the white house not anywhere

01:17:47.760 yeah it's called hubris and it's the death of men and empires colonel douglas mcgregor thank you

01:17:54.640 for that wise summation of everything that's happening thank you god bless god bless thank you

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Newest War Developments： AI Bombings, Advice to Trump, and the Nuclear Agenda to Reset the World

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