The Tucker Carlson Show - Patrick Bet-David on Trump, Iran, and What Chris Cuomo Should Do with the Rest of His Life

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00:00:26.300 at tucker carlson.com here's the episode but backgammon like life it's like 30 luck so it's

00:00:34.100 like a metaphor because there is a lot of luck out of five out of five anybody could win yeah exactly

00:00:41.120 thank you but if played three out of five of five the better player is going to win of course

00:00:47.060 oh my gosh so it's he just said it's may 22nd i don't know when this is going to air

00:00:57.100 so who who's going to win the presidential race and why who's going to win the presidential race and

00:01:03.740 why um i think right now if it ended today right if it ended today and you looked at the states

00:01:11.020 wisconsin biden has you can go through the others trump has a big lead i believe in arizona

00:01:16.360 and another state by 11 points 50 to 39 he's got a 3 to an 11 point lead on the six states that

00:01:22.900 matter they're not even looking at north carolina right now they're like no it's going to be his

00:01:25.960 it's red we don't even want to report it as a battleground now not even reporting it so if it

00:01:31.360 ends today it's him that's going to win it however it's not ending today the amount of

00:01:37.960 gamification that could happen between now and november 5th it's it's endless gamification

00:01:43.280 gamification manipulation you call it there's a lot of things you can do so for me there's a part

00:01:48.640 of me we're on the left side of my shoulder it's it's a guy that's his future looks bright it's going

00:01:52.840 to be great we're going to take over it's going to be awesome america's going to be the greatest

00:01:56.140 country in the world and everything's going to be okay right and there's another guy on this side

00:01:59.920 that's super paranoid but what if but why would they be paranoid it's not like they're going to like

00:02:03.280 unleash a lab-grown virus virus on the world or like they would never do that provoke

00:02:07.980 race riots and burn down your cities like i don't think they wouldn't go that far

00:02:11.820 why would they do such a thing you know they're unifiers they're not trying to divide you know

00:02:15.420 that tucker you're being a little bit too speculative i get i get cynical yeah um so so i think what

00:02:21.560 you're saying is you know if it plays out as elections are supposed to play out on the basis

00:02:26.900 of what the population wants then trump has a big advantage but you are open to the possibility

00:02:33.220 that there will be some sort of manipulation of the country oh there's no question only the

00:02:40.000 paranoid survive and there's never been a time where we need to be paranoid about what could

00:02:45.380 happen the next few months never all of a sudden you show up saying you want to debate june 27th

00:02:51.120 i debated him two times and i beat him two times you want it come on tough guy june 27th

00:02:57.040 and you read the details mike's going to go off the moment time's up two zero audience why are we

00:03:03.740 doing zero audience well you know we're just going back to the way it was with nixon and kennedy

00:03:08.100 and then the next day 50 articles come out we're becoming traditional on how this whole thing

00:03:13.900 about tv debate on tv started with nixon and kennedy with no audience that's the right way to do it so

00:03:18.500 the audience can decide for themselves who the better debater is but listen the last time we did

00:03:23.980 without an audience was in 1960 19 whatever the timeline was with those two we've always had an

00:03:29.920 audience the audience oh you guys got to keep it down but they know what's going to happen where

00:03:34.380 he's going to have his moments where he says because you'd be in jail and they're worried about

00:03:38.060 those things however here's what's going to happen i think as much as they try to protect him as much

00:03:45.080 as they try to protect him to kind of see what's going to happen with that what percentage of people

00:03:49.820 do you think that consume the debate are the type that consume highlight reels like a game i don't watch

00:03:57.680 full games but i'll watch a highlight reel right i'll watch sports center i'll watch some of the clips

00:04:02.560 on twitter to see oh look at this oh wow good for these guys they want what percentage you think

00:04:07.880 of voters are going to watch the entire thing on tv on cnn versus what percentage you think are going

00:04:14.040 to get the highlight reels on instagram and twitter what do you think i mean i think it's overwhelming

00:04:20.180 the percentage who will watch portions of it rather than the whole thing you think it's 80 20 at least

00:04:25.300 okay so who cares so part of me is like okay go ahead do what you want to do with this right

00:04:30.060 uh because the clips on this side that they're going to cut it edit it put it out there the

00:04:35.760 audience is going to go at it you're going to see the polls you're going to see the reactions you're

00:04:40.300 going to see who's going to be better editors nowadays the better editing team creating better

00:04:45.320 clips in a fast manner with the right music with the right creative you know b-roll and things you add

00:04:52.120 to it uh trump's camp's a better marketer they've always been better marketers the other side has no clue

00:04:56.980 how to do marketing but maybe the bar is lower for biden i mean you see these clips of him daily

00:05:01.140 drooling and mangling names and identifying his sister is his wife and he's just so out of it and

00:05:07.660 then they juice him up on something to the point where as at the state of the union he seems sort of

00:05:12.940 non-senile so maybe if he pulls that off why doesn't trump just say like what drugs are you on

00:05:17.600 why don't you disclose that maybe he will maybe he'll ask it and you know saying the things about

00:05:22.820 calling his sister's wife that's his personal business it's not your business tucker i mean

00:05:27.340 you know i don't know why you're getting how he arranges his personal life i don't know if you've

00:05:31.000 ever been to west virginia people live in different ways there's different standards we have and i

00:05:34.020 don't think we should judge that totally totally fair and by the way compared to the trans stuff

00:05:37.660 that's not that weird um so how do you rate the peril to trump personally physical peril

00:05:44.660 oh you mean the two of them going out no no to trump now so trump's way ahead right

00:05:51.020 actually farther ahead than a candidate typically is in may of an election year

00:05:54.880 and we sort of know that that's the red line can't have trump so i've asked him this directly

00:06:01.400 didn't get an answer but do you worry that he could be harmed between now and then well i mean

00:06:05.960 saki briefly said you know the risk that he stands in a most indirect way and jen pasaki yes and i don't

00:06:14.380 know if you've seen the movie civil war that just came out if you've seen the movie civil war it's about

00:06:20.260 a it's a commercial for reuters of left-wing journalists and depicting the president of

00:06:28.320 the time during the civil war of an identical character played as donald trump and the hero

00:06:35.320 of the movie to my knowledge the way i saw the movie was the person that assassinates the president

00:06:41.820 last minute in the last minute of the movie the president playing the role of trump gets assassinated

00:06:48.480 in the movie how many people does that movie need to inspire for somebody so i haven't seen it but

00:06:55.160 if so the assassin the lee harvey oswald or is the hero at the end probably not actually assassin but

00:07:01.420 whatever it he's the hero the guy who murders the president is the hero in the movie the way they sell

00:07:06.600 it is that the the president playing the character of trump is an evil man who made this movie uh

00:07:14.340 you know it's very different than the other movie that was made leave the world behind by obamas and

00:07:18.960 julia roberts uh this actually had a decent cast for the movie uh it's a very hard movie to watch

00:07:25.400 leave the world behind was actually a better produced movie more dark more deceptive uh extremely divisive

00:07:33.240 a lot of messaging in their predictive programming stuff that you can watch and say this can actually

00:07:38.100 happen one day um but yeah i mean look a lot of like i don't know if you've seen the movie john q

00:07:43.940 first time i watched john q denzel washington do you know the story about john no okay so it's a story

00:07:49.440 about a father whose son is a fan of flex wheeler he wants to be a bodybuilder and a son all of a sudden

00:07:55.560 heart collapses and i think it's in the middle of a baseball game they take him to the hospital

00:07:58.860 it's going to cost 250 000 to do surgery and the company doesn't offer uh uh you know allowing him

00:08:06.880 to get the insurance because he doesn't have the best insurance and he's trying to go raise the

00:08:11.420 money he can't raise the money it's pointing a a picture of a father about to lose a son because

00:08:17.400 the hospital is not willing to spend 250 000 to save this kid's life right and you are going through

00:08:23.200 this emotional roller coaster ride with the father how many fathers are going to sit there and say holy

00:08:28.060 shit what is this all about right and then eventually there's a scene where he tells uh kevin

00:08:33.840 connelly the actor from uh um entourage and he says listen guys just take it out of my heart and

00:08:40.740 give it to him it's this unique scene it's like i'm not going to do that if you're not going to do

00:08:44.380 it i'm going to kill myself you're going to take it out of my heart you're going to give it to my son

00:08:46.900 intense intense movie then while they're there he's talking to his son son is laying on the bed

00:08:53.520 at the hospital and says look here's what i want you to think about he says my son

00:08:59.040 buries me i don't bury my son that's right right my son buries me that's how it needs to be so you're

00:09:05.760 you're like yeah and as a father you're feeling it well that was right before obamacare how many

00:09:13.020 people did that movie influence to say you know what we do need affordable care you know so movies

00:09:17.740 have a lot of power i mean if you go back in the days do you know who produced the first uh titanic

00:09:22.980 the movie no it's a guy named adolf hitler you know who the hero was in the movie the first uh

00:09:28.880 titanic the iceberg the the first the hero in the movie is the nazi soldier if you go and pull up

00:09:37.280 first titanic produced by germany adolf hitler the hero is painted as the nazi soldier the way you

00:09:47.000 confuse propaganda storytelling is movies docs music you know this i mean this is how you get

00:09:53.720 the audience and the younger audience to buy in so you mean to tell me the movie civil war cannot

00:09:57.980 inspire one kid to want to be a hero and being written about for the rest of his life in history

00:10:02.880 books you mean to tell me one kid's not gonna be inspired by so i worry about some of this

00:10:06.520 predictive programming they're putting because they're they're gonna say well you can't just say

00:10:09.880 it was a movie that did it doesn't take a lot of stuff to get a young kid to be inspired to do

00:10:14.620 something so that's my part that's a little bit worrisome uh about what could happen in the future

00:10:18.920 but uh yeah i think they're willing to do anything and anything everything and anything to not get him

00:10:25.060 in the white house because they worry if they do they're gonna lose their membership i don't know you

00:10:28.880 saw what james comey said yesterday he got emotional if he gets in there he's gonna completely change

00:10:35.360 everything with our justice system he's gonna do everything with fbi and he's gonna put some bad

00:10:40.540 people in there i'm telling you guys this is the we you cannot you cannot vote for trump you have

00:10:45.620 to support i've never seen comey be this animated about biden being a president this just happened

00:10:52.440 yesterday so there's a lot of people that are worried about you gotta wonder as you listen to

00:10:56.220 comey talk or brennan or all these former agency heads of the most powerful agencies in the world

00:11:00.980 these guys still have security clearances of course they do for sure they use them for their jobs

00:11:06.360 right that's a privilege not a right and those should be revoked immediately by donald trump day

00:11:12.040 fucking one why do those guys still have security clearances i mean if you're if you believe in

00:11:17.960 democracy if you think that the people who live in the country own the country it's their government

00:11:21.840 and they have a say in how it's run and that government should reflect their priorities over

00:11:25.580 time and i think we all claim to believe that then you can't have unelected agency heads or retired

00:11:32.640 unelected agency heads running everything behind the scenes that's just absolutely

00:11:36.500 antithetical to democracy so why do these guys continue to be allowed legally to run the government

00:11:44.520 from outside the government right so that's not hard is it no it's not but everybody everybody is

00:11:51.020 ambitious in their own way some more some less but if you look at the profile of the top ambitious

00:11:55.880 people that they go on different routes okay one is going to be fame i want to be a celebrity

00:12:01.320 i want people to stop me and say can i take a picture with you tucker i want to do a selfie

00:12:05.820 wow i'm famous did you see this that's ambitious i'm going to be famous one day right okay great

00:12:11.020 then the other one is ambitious we're going to be millionaires we're going to be billionaires

00:12:15.420 we're going to have all the money in the world okay great so one is fame the other one is money

00:12:20.220 the other one is power to tell you what to do the money guys it's a number you can measure it

00:12:28.660 you can see how this guy's winning because his net worth is 200 billion dollars his name is elon

00:12:32.040 musk this guy's number two at 180 billion dollars this guy's number 365 billion you know zuck

00:12:36.920 there's a leader's bulletin for it fame kim kardashian's got 400 million followers on instagram

00:12:42.000 this person's got 500 million ronaldo's got 600 million you can measure fame right how do you measure

00:12:47.460 politics how do you measure what's the resume on measuring success in politics and somebody working

00:12:53.160 for the federal government working for you know a an fbi or cia and you know uh and i know you're

00:13:00.380 not very familiar with this organization called cia but it's it's a rough organization it's very

00:13:04.160 interesting organization you could you should look into them uh some interesting people i've gone

00:13:07.860 through there but so you see what do they want what are they driven by what do they want to do

00:13:11.500 is their ambition what is it money no is it fame no fame is actually straight up okay cool you want

00:13:17.700 to be famous go do xyz you want to make money go do xyz but the power people oof you got to be very

00:13:23.920 careful with them a lot of times like the way so how do you measure power so so the way you see and

00:13:29.900 this is it's it's easy in the business world say a guy i had michael franziz on years ago when he and

00:13:36.340 i started doing podcasts did a couple interviews with him good guy and in the mob world right and i

00:13:41.700 want to he's a good guy yeah i want to know what the so he took me we went to new york because i was

00:13:47.260 going to interview his father sonny francis and sonny is a guy that comes from the era of lucky

00:13:54.480 luciano mayor lansky frank costello ben siegel he comes from that era one of the most fear

00:14:00.780 ben ben siegel you can't say buggy right you gotta say ben let me tell you how i met the guy who

00:14:05.940 murdered him and he kept his arrow when i was a kid no shit yeah killed him it's 1947 he's a friend

00:14:10.240 of my dad's we would go have dinner at his house and uh yeah he he murdered bugsy siegel

00:14:15.400 yeah shot him in the face with a 30 caliber wow big round what was it like hit in the face

00:14:21.180 uh he never married never had kids he was a cat guy he collected stray cats and my father uh loved

00:14:27.480 animals and was good friends with eddie kennesser my brother and i would take us over for dinner

00:14:30.880 make cannelloni he lived with his parents it was all very weird anyway but he killed bugsy siegel

00:14:35.720 but i remember hearing the conversation yeah don't call him bugsy he wasn't so here's the thing so so we

00:14:40.540 go out and i'm like i'm trying to convince sunny let me interview you he says for 55 years i've

00:14:47.320 never i went to jail for 55 years the only thing i can take to my grave is i never snitched on

00:14:52.480 everybody this is not a lie this guy did 55 years in jail out of 103 years of living okay never said

00:14:58.160 anything to nobody right i get him in the car taking him to his favorite italian restaurant

00:15:04.280 okay we pick him up from the old folks home and i'm driving so sunny what can you tell me about

00:15:10.880 meierlinski great guy i heard he made a lot of money in many different ways phenomenal guy what

00:15:17.020 we can say about bugsy siegel don't don't say that you can't say that you call him ben well what can

00:15:21.920 you tell me about ben very good guy really how about frank costello fantastic guy how about everybody's

00:15:29.060 a good guy like sunny come on sunny i mean she's no these are stand-up guys i don't know what you're

00:15:33.240 talking about stand-up guys sunny eventually doesn't agree to do the interview that interview

00:15:38.200 never happens okay but sunny told his son he said be very careful of the people that are lower power

00:15:44.840 people in the mob family because one day they could be a boss and when they do become a boss they're

00:15:49.400 going to remember every way you disrespect them they're going to seek their vengeance on you in

00:15:53.780 their own way so be very careful to the lower level people that are coming up one day they could be

00:15:59.640 your boss okay all right so

00:16:01.960 you're running a company you see a guy that's been with you for five years he's doing a good job he's

00:16:09.220 at work he does 60 hours a week stand-up guy effort attitude teamwork innovation results competency

00:16:14.720 specialized skill he's got all that stuff then all of a sudden he goes from being a performer maybe he's

00:16:20.360 got one or two people reporting to him you make him a vp and that's got 35 people under his division

00:16:25.320 and then all of a sudden you see him become a tyrant and a dictator like wait a minute

00:16:31.840 did it just happen overnight or was that always in there but you were hiding it and boom now that you

00:16:40.920 have the power now you're abusing it right a lot of these people in the political side deep down inside

00:16:47.780 someone offended them a mom a dad a cousin an ex a friend a professor a teacher somebody

00:16:54.060 and their way of seeking vengeance is to have control over other people lincoln said you want

00:16:59.680 to find out test someone's character give them power these guys now have power and they're showing

00:17:04.180 what they're all about and they fear somebody coming in that's a non-establishment guy coming in

00:17:09.460 they could lose that and be exposed they are not willing to give that up they're not willing to give

00:17:13.820 that up it's going to take everything they can to take that privilege away from them and that's not

00:17:18.560 going to be an easy thing for trump to do you may have come to the obvious conclusion that the real

00:17:22.600 debate is not between republican and democrat or socialist and capitalists right left the real

00:17:30.220 battles between people who are lying on purpose and people who are trying to tell you the truth it's

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00:17:52.520 scenes footage of what actually happens in this barn when only an iphone is running tucker carlson.com

00:17:59.360 slash podcast you will not regret it i guess that the difficulty for um the power worshiping community

00:18:08.580 is that they already did this in 2020 and now that you know tempers have cooled and people can think

00:18:14.960 clearly they stole the election nobody actually thinks that was a free and fair election it wasn't

00:18:21.020 and so the bar is a lot higher like how do you do that again and if you do it again everyone's going

00:18:26.400 to know you did it again and then what kind of country do you have in january of 2025 steady trends

00:18:32.540 trends if you a great stock broker is somebody that looks at trends seasons months days announcements

00:18:40.240 quarterly calls you know industry market election you have to look at everything on a board to say

00:18:46.760 according to this and xyz and what's going on right now this should happen next in the next quarter

00:18:52.740 go to the history books and look at well when we raise the interest rate this many times here's what

00:18:56.680 happened next when we were going through inflation you look at all the case studies like when covet first

00:19:00.580 happened uh jennifer and i are in uh beverly hills we're about to have a board meeting and then last

00:19:07.200 meeting everybody that's supposed to fly and cancels about i'm like what the hell is going on we brought

00:19:11.180 the kids we're about to go to universal that's the day rudy gobert gave donovan mitchell from the utah

00:19:16.140 jazz covid and you know nhl shuts down nba shuts down that's the day disney shuts down you know so what

00:19:22.320 the hell is going on we got to fly back we fly back to dallas i take the family to the house i come back

00:19:28.240 to the office and i'm studying all the different pandemics that we've had and you'll see out of all

00:19:32.740 the pandemics we've had how the market has reacted 90 percent of the top 10 pandemics we've had

00:19:38.300 massive market drop off but every one of them six months later it came back to exactly what it used

00:19:45.460 to be if not higher there's only one that didn't recover for 12 months and that's eight everything

00:19:49.820 else six month recovery right so i could sit there and say well this could be fear porn

00:19:56.140 market's going to go down to 18 000 17 000 doubt whatever could happen but it's fear it's going to

00:20:01.600 come back up six months later it's exactly what happened right boom boom came back up okay so

00:20:06.460 trends things to study patterns on what's going on with today if we go to 2016 election the mistake

00:20:15.460 mainstream media made was what cnn kept inviting trump he said yes they kept inviting him yes msnbc

00:20:22.380 yes we're getting all these crazy ratings we're killing it msnbc no he's bringing you ratings

00:20:27.260 and then all of a sudden they're like guys we created a monster it's too late we've done a half

00:20:35.000 a billion dollars of free media advertisement for this guy oh yeah and he didn't even need to spend

00:20:39.920 the money on it holy shit he just won are you kidding me this didn't work the defamation and

00:20:49.880 you know all this stuff damn guys this is not going to work in 2020 so go to 2020 what are they doing

00:20:55.880 2020 we got to find a different playbook 2016 they used me to backfired on them when trump brought the

00:21:01.760 candidates showing and all this other stuff right and he's like well let me tell you who we have here

00:21:06.140 paula this and you see clinton looking like this that famous picture oh i was there for that so

00:21:11.560 2020 all bill clinton's girlfriends that's pretty impressive it was amazing yeah yeah 2020 may 25th

00:21:19.380 you need chaos may 25th what happens george floyd gets assassinated like george floyd dies now he gets

00:21:26.220 assassinated the word they wanted to kind of use right obviously a bigger thing but george floyd

00:21:29.920 the number of minutes that it took place knee all that stuff next day riots protesting insanity

00:21:37.880 what do republicans start saying look man i like him but i don't know why maybe they're right the

00:21:43.960 more he's in there the more chaos happens in the streets and i just want the chaos to slow down

00:21:47.780 that's what i want of course that strategy worked very effectively here's what they're doing 2024

00:21:54.360 that you can see some case studies of what they're doing what's not going to work what are they doing

00:21:58.600 in 2024 that they haven't learned their lesson they're making a mistake that they made in 2016

00:22:03.680 but they're doing it in a different way 2016 all cnn msnbc abc cbs ever talked about was what trump

00:22:12.260 trump trump trump trump but they invited him well they're not inviting him now but what are they doing

00:22:16.480 because he's in court and all these different cases they have to keep talking about him over and

00:22:22.400 over thinking that strategy is going to work for them because they're getting ratings what they're not

00:22:27.160 realizing again they're coming the best publicist pr for this guy and now it's like oh my god it's

00:22:33.960 backfiring on us again all we're talking look at the black vote in 2020 he only had nine percent

00:22:40.480 in 2024 he's got 22 22 of the african-american vote and what's even worse than this the people that

00:22:49.980 are above 65 81 of them are for democrat and you know most of these guys go but but the younger

00:22:56.360 audience we're losing this is not good if we're losing younger audience if we lose the younger

00:23:00.800 audience could this be a berry goldwater well the african-american vote flips for the next three

00:23:05.280 decades they're now seeing that this strategy is not working however the part that you have to see

00:23:11.200 the case study is the following so pinning muslims against jews against christians against pro-palestine

00:23:18.560 against gaza hamas pro-israel all this stuff you can have your own position we can all have our own

00:23:24.400 position we don't need to go there if you don't want to go there but here's the part where they're

00:23:29.200 winning is what kids in schools riots protesting you know and they're doing what they're doing all

00:23:35.120 they're waiting for is the next george floyd that's all they need they need their next george

00:23:38.420 floyd and what month are we in right now today's what may 22nd okay may 25th is coming up in three

00:23:45.100 days may 26th is in a few days they need chaos back again except they're going to do it in a different

00:23:51.140 i keep thinking that about the israel palestine thing i'm probably the only person in the world

00:23:55.140 who doesn't have very strong feelings on it i'm not like israel i'm not against the palestine i'm

00:23:59.540 just kind of agnostic i'm just too american for this whole conversation but when that becomes the

00:24:05.540 biggest news story in the united states a conflict across the globe and when these protests are blown

00:24:12.580 so out of proportion by all news media you have to think like maybe this is not a reflection of reality

00:24:19.060 like maybe i'm being played here a little bit right or maybe i'm being played a lot well maybe

00:24:24.260 you are i i want to apologize because i didn't uh start off by congratulating you on your on your uh

00:24:31.140 one of the most honest outlets out there newsweek reporting your massive contract you signed with

00:24:35.220 russian tv congratulations that's just part of my ongoing business relationship with vladimir putin

00:24:39.940 no they of course i never even contemplated i have no idea what they're talking about i have nothing to

00:24:44.900 do with russian media i couldn't even identify three russian media outlets of course i don't speak russian

00:24:49.460 um but that's a pretext for a fisa warrant so you put that out there and you know newsweek knows this

00:24:57.380 and they're mad at me for other reasons of course and um they put this out there and all of a sudden

00:25:03.060 it gives the bite administration you know an excuse to spy on me which they already are but um and have

00:25:08.260 been over the last several years uh but what's crazy is you can live in a country where that's completely

00:25:15.540 illegal and everyone knows it's happening and nobody says anything about it and the only people

00:25:20.980 who do say anything about it like julian assange or ed snowden like they're the ones facing life in

00:25:26.340 prison it's like you know it's a little bit upside down i would say no but that story look the media

00:25:34.260 don't just mislead you they're not just you know worker bees for the democratic party they're you know

00:25:42.820 though they want to hurt you like actually hurt you like put you in prison or kill you like that's

00:25:48.340 they're that um involved in the machinery of internal repression in this country so you're not saying

00:25:55.060 like you're not saying that the doj would ever uh give permission to use deadly force when they're

00:26:00.820 invading a former when they're going through melania's underwear drawers that would never

00:26:04.660 happen yeah melania shows up and says why are you going through my nightgowns bam yeah deadly force

00:26:09.700 deadly force so i i would say that the problem that we have as non you know as people who are not part

00:26:17.060 of the machine um you don't need to be it's not even a right or left question it's are you on the

00:26:21.300 side of lies or are you not is we don't understand just how serious they are i mean if you're running

00:26:28.100 doj and you saw a search warrant that said yes the use of deadly force applies in a documents case a

00:26:35.380 classified documents case by the way the documents were meaningless no one's ever shown otherwise

00:26:40.500 it doesn't matter you can put them on the internet now it just doesn't matter actually um and if you

00:26:45.540 were the attorney general and you were looking through the warrant and said use of deadly forces

00:26:49.700 is allowed you'd say whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa we're we're literally rooting through melania's

00:26:54.820 dresser we don't need to use deadly wouldn't you say that just as a someone who believes in fairness

00:27:00.180 and sanity the fact that you're putting that in there to give permission and it's just kind of you

00:27:07.700 know water under yeah no worries next news cycle it's not a big story next new site it's not a big

00:27:14.020 story what does it say it says that they're serious enough to kill you absolutely they are

00:27:18.340 gonzalo lira got murdered in ukrainian prison that's of course run by the state department

00:27:24.020 and cia basically killed by the bide administration no big deal i mean at least that there's an american

00:27:29.780 citizen but at least the confidence comes the fact that never in the history of u.s has the government

00:27:34.660 ever assassinated a president so it's not like that kind of a person who's a very ambitious vice

00:27:40.180 president would never do that to become a president historically and within minutes want to be sworn in

00:27:44.820 that that sounds like a dangerous conspiracy theory to me so let me ask you though that it's pretty

00:27:49.140 clear to me that two summers ago so august 2022 when that deadly force raid on mar-a-lago took place

00:27:56.820 and they rooted through the former first lady's underwear um that was the moment when trump kind

00:28:02.260 of came back like desantis was done this is my read on it the more they persecute trump unfairly

00:28:08.580 um the more transparently grotesque and corrupt it is the stronger trump becomes i mean i think that

00:28:15.780 seems pretty obvious there's been polling on this do you think the people who did it knew that would

00:28:20.340 happen like how much like how much of like this did they think through no i don't i don't i actually

00:28:27.060 don't think they thought it would happen i think they think it's working i think they think it's working

00:28:33.700 and now it's too late michael cohen did you steal from the trump organization yes sir i did what yeah

00:28:42.980 i did holy so now cnn has to somebody on cnn has to say it's over for this guy right yeah so this is

00:28:53.860 this is another reason why sometimes when people are we're gonna sue those guys go ahead and do it

00:28:57.540 then comes discovery you gotta also give me your discovery right meaning so of course when you're

00:29:02.260 suing i want to see your discovery give me your discovery let's go through it you're suing me

00:29:05.940 great let's go through i want to see discovery on text exchange email exchange oh no no we don't

00:29:11.700 want to do that but that's how lawsuits work i want also discovery right so now it's backfiring

00:29:18.820 now they have to sit there i mean if we really play this thing god i'd be curious with you

00:29:23.460 why do you think they chose to all of a sudden flip june 27th debate and then the next one's going to

00:29:29.540 be you know in september and first one i think is cnn second one i think it's abc if i'm not mistaken

00:29:35.540 why do you think all of a sudden they flip so quickly are you part of the camp that thinks maybe

00:29:39.700 they're trying to see how good he's going to be to kind of replace him or what is the motive of trying

00:29:44.180 i mean there are many levels i and i don't know the answer um i think it's getting a little late to

00:29:48.660 try and replace him honestly and i think that'd be a pretty hard sell and with whom and what do you do

00:29:53.300 with kamala this is the problem with dei with elevating people beyond their capacity taking

00:29:58.820 like a true mouth-breathing moron like kamala harrison making her vice president like they are

00:30:04.180 these are the wages of sin that they're dealing with now and i'm really glad to see it so i don't

00:30:07.540 know that they replace them i don't know how they can maybe they're more clever than i am and have a

00:30:11.060 plan i think it's as simple as the guy who's down wants a debate he needs to change the storyline

00:30:18.020 you know if the trend is hurting joe biden it's not his friend and so they got to do something

00:30:24.260 like why not a debate you know and again it comes back to to pharmacology like they're injecting him

00:30:32.740 with drugs and so for a short period of time he can seem sentient and aware and semi-capable old but

00:30:39.860 not a vegetable the rest time he is a vegetable and i think they can get away with that for an hour

00:30:45.540 and a half for two hours and i think that's i mean again i don't know but my guess is

00:30:51.220 they think they just have to show that he's not as senile as you think he is and that's going to be

00:30:54.500 enough it was at the at the did you watch state of the union i did he didn't seem quite as retarded

00:31:01.700 as he normally does no no he didn't and that's drugs i mean i i know someone a makeup artist who

00:31:07.060 worked on joe biden um during the 2020 campaign who was there when he got the drugs like in the room

00:31:13.780 with the doctor what kind of drugs presumably amphetamines okay you know adderall some version

00:31:18.340 of that right and um so who watched it and over a series of days and told me all about it so that's

00:31:26.100 absolutely real and we've never gotten a readout on what drugs he's taking by the way he's the president

00:31:30.660 of the united states he is a nuclear arsenal at his command he has the briefcase i mean he should be

00:31:36.580 required to disclose what drugs he's taking no yeah i mean we would want to know but you know that's

00:31:42.100 never going to happen i mean that that's never then who's in control the government right he's

00:31:46.100 our employee if your housekeeper shows up okay and she seems drunk you get to say are you drunk

00:31:52.420 prove you're not drunk or go home how how much do you love america a lot what is america to you

00:31:58.740 america is my family my neighbors my ancestors um america is the grandchildren i don't yet have

00:32:06.500 america is also a physical place it's the water it's the trees especially it's the mountains

00:32:12.260 it's the coast it's the physical beauty of the country it's a physical place to me it is absolutely

00:32:16.580 not an idea i don't even know what that means and it's it's a physical reality to me america has a

00:32:22.420 smell america has a vibe and america is americans and so it's the people who live here by the way if

00:32:27.860 america is filled with people who aren't american it's no longer america and that's what's happening

00:32:31.620 of course it was not the country i grew up in therefore it's not i mean well then what's my attachment

00:32:36.820 to the country a place is the people who occupy the place and it's the physical surroundings we're

00:32:41.700 in a room we're in a barn right now and it's you know the wood beams holding up the hayloft but it's

00:32:47.460 also you and your wife one of my you know what i mean so it gets it's real things that you can

00:32:53.140 touch and smell and taste it's not there's nothing abstract about it just like there's nothing abstract

00:32:58.420 about my wife like i like the way she smells right so she's not an idea is your wife an idea no she's

00:33:06.660 a physical presence right so um that's what america is to me yes so and and how worried are you about

00:33:13.460 that america uh being at risk or collapsing or losing some of its moxie that it's had for two and

00:33:21.860 a half centuries how worried are you about that well i've accepted the reality at least in the second

00:33:26.420 part of your question that it's already happened it's lost its moxie and men are in terminal decline

00:33:33.780 and you i see it all around me particularly young men they're defeated they're defeated by a system

00:33:37.940 that set out to defeat them and and succeeded and um there are a lot of reasons for that but

00:33:43.380 in a lot of ways that they were defeated but they have been not all but the the broad middle has been

00:33:49.140 defeated and um so i'm incredibly sad about that but i think about america the way that i think about

00:33:56.740 you know a ship that's leaking it's like one thing i know is i'm staying on it whether it you know i'll

00:34:01.220 ride it to the bottom or not but i'm here so okay so at what capacity are you willing to contribute for

00:34:08.500 it not to leak is it at any capacity or is it limited capacity that you're willing to personally

00:34:13.780 well i don't have any options and and by the way if i were in charge you know if i were some sort of

00:34:17.940 benign monarch hopefully benign uh you know no dual passports in my country sorry i mean because that

00:34:25.620 that really is the measure of commitment you know are you all in or not like do you have options

00:34:31.540 you know have you burned the boats as they say and i think you should be required to burn the boats no

00:34:35.780 you can't go back what you're here and once you are this is what marriage is this is why you treat

00:34:41.780 your wife better than you treat your girlfriend because you're married to her and it's very hard

00:34:45.380 to get out of and you've got children together and so in a normal marriage the person's like well one

00:34:49.860 thing i know i'm not doing is divorcing so i'm gonna actually try i'm gonna suck it up and try and

00:34:54.980 that works sucking it up and trying works i feel the same way about my country i'm not going anywhere i

00:34:59.780 don't have another passport i wouldn't get another passport how many people do i know with dual

00:35:03.220 passports like a million and they tend to be the richest people and the people who've gotten the

00:35:08.180 most from the country who've really benefited from our systems which they've then destroyed

00:35:12.420 and i think that should be illegal like pick a country and pick a military no you can't serve

00:35:16.740 in a foreign military what and no we're not going to pay you to serve in a foreign i don't care

00:35:21.220 what the country i don't care if it's england or sweden where my ancestors came from i don't

00:35:24.660 care if it's burkina fossa where yours came from or iran where yours came from it's like no

00:35:28.260 no and you should be all in i just the whole idea of it it's like an airbnb they're using

00:35:36.020 the country's like a fucking airbnb to them and it's not an airbnb it's my house that's how i feel

00:35:41.540 okay so let's stay on that when when sorry no this is this is very this is very helpful serving in a

00:35:48.020 foreign military when when you come out uh any military i mean i saw but i know what you're talking

00:35:52.820 about because i read the uh read the uh notes on if you're able to serve in israel it's going to count

00:35:57.700 as you hate israel i do not hate i like israel how does that but what is a lot i don't i don't

00:36:02.100 even want to get sidetracked how is that even the logic to say like you serve in another military

00:36:05.780 council is the same as i don't care what i don't care if it's my name is carlson but i'm swedish

00:36:10.100 if you serve in the swedish military get out what's the argument we're not sweden i mean what how is

00:36:15.460 their argument to us though how are they saying there's no argument there's just like you hate this or

00:36:20.260 that no i don't hate anybody and actually in the case of that specific country i've been there a number of

00:36:25.460 times i could describe it in detail because it's one of my favorite places in the world i'm just

00:36:29.540 saying i do not just the you know the ancient city that defines the country in my opinion not the

00:36:35.220 modern miami knockoff that everyone loves but the real jerusalem it's unbelievable and the people and

00:36:40.900 the food and like i just like it so i'm not gonna fall for that you hate it no i don't hate it i just

00:36:46.500 love my country and i think you can only have one country at a time i don't believe in polygamy either

00:36:50.660 you got one wife and by the way if you have two wives i know people who are polygamists and i you

00:36:54.660 know with respect you're not all in on any one wife so it's like well she's acting crazy see ya and you

00:37:02.580 go deal with the other wife right and it your commitment is less when it's diffuse when you've

00:37:07.220 got more than one you cannot serve two masters i believe i'm quoting someone in that and it's just

00:37:11.540 true it's factually true well if you got four wives and you're running a podcast you immediately have

00:37:16.100 a couple sponsors cialis miagra i'm here with my four wives this is uh brought to you know anyone

00:37:22.500 who's polygamous have you known polygamous people yes of course i had a guy that came interviewed for

00:37:27.380 a job and he came from africa and he had 32 kids i said how do you have i'd love to have 20 kids how

00:37:33.140 do you have to do i would but he's got eight wives so mathematically math is it's a lot is he muslim

00:37:39.060 uh i i don't remember because that's yeah that's double the allowed amount the problem with

00:37:43.380 polygamy in islam um which is actually a lot more i'm not flacking for islam i'm a christian but it's

00:37:50.340 it's a lot more humane than people say and a lot less common than people imagine because the rules

00:37:56.500 are pretty tough on polygamy in islam you have to treat each wife the same and that means spend the

00:38:00.260 same amount of money spend the same amount of time so if you take one wife to disney world with her

00:38:05.700 kids you got to take the next wife disney world with her kids for the same amount of time so

00:38:09.940 you know it takes a lot of money and a lot of effort to make it right are you suggesting for

00:38:14.500 term limits in marriage like is that kind of what you're saying i'm suggesting actually that that

00:38:19.140 monogamy works really well i'm just trying to stick with it but um specify because sometimes you know

00:38:24.100 there could be a gray area but let me go to my question so obviously this is the first time you

00:38:28.820 and i have ever met yes okay the last well we had dinner last night of course but what i'm saying is

00:38:32.260 we've never met prior to this yes we've never spoken this is the first interaction we've had

00:38:36.900 the last 24 hours great time last night uh that was the real podcast that you know that was

00:38:43.780 a real podcast i know but anyways we won't go there but but the but the conversation the question i got

00:38:49.380 for you is when i was watching you and i'm trying to see you know the the evolution of you from where

00:38:56.900 you're at your background what you've done sitting there saying okay is this oh he's leaving because

00:39:02.100 he's gonna build news core two because he wants to be the next you know rubert murdoch like i don't

00:39:09.380 know if that's what he wants to do he's going to be roger ailes and he's going to produce a hundred

00:39:14.500 other talents maybe i don't know no no he wants to be the rush limbaugh you know the number one for

00:39:21.780 the next two decades and he wants to be able to so okay he's already that guy i don't think he needs

00:39:26.580 to do that no then there's a part of me that says okay i really think this guy loves america

00:39:32.100 in a very sincere clear conviction type of way okay and i think he's willing to do anything for that

00:39:39.220 this is not a conversation for 2024 do you at all like internally think and you know you're a very

00:39:45.220 well-read guy there's books here there's plenty of books over there um do you look at churchill and

00:39:50.580 you say this guy was a journalist controversial figure the feud with him and chamberlain and all these

00:39:55.940 other guys and eventually he's like listen man we gotta need somebody like this that's got the

00:39:59.300 brass to come and do something do you have is there any limit of where you're willing to go to fight

00:40:05.380 for what america uh the idea of america where you grew up your story your family all of that are you

00:40:11.460 willing to go all the way to the point where you would consider a 2028 run as a president well i you

00:40:16.980 know i i believe in using the gifts that god gave you and i i think putting people in the wrong

00:40:22.580 jobs or the wrong marriages or the wrong schools is counterproductive in fact it's a sin i think

00:40:28.020 we're all born for something and you should figure out what that is and you should do it my my dogs

00:40:33.540 two of my dogs can find any bird on any path in any field or forest in america they will find the bird

00:40:40.820 they do not do my taxes because they're not born to do my taxes they're born to find birds and i feel

00:40:45.380 that way about myself and everyone around me do what you're born to do and i just don't see myself as

00:40:49.380 a political person my only goal is to be free personally free i really believe in personal

00:40:54.740 liberation like tell the truth that's liberation about yourself primarily but also about the world

00:41:00.020 around you and my second goal is to preserve you know the the country that i grew up in to the

00:41:06.100 extent that i can i mean recognizing that my powers are really limited and that my vision is blurry

00:41:12.180 and i'm a human being not god and but yeah that's absolutely my goal i've never been that interested

00:41:18.500 in money and at all and i'm not interested in building large organizations or administering

00:41:23.940 them like i'm not good at that and i just want to tell the truth and i'm absolutely willing especially

00:41:30.660 now that i'm 55 like who cares you know you're looking at a future of what like parkinson's like

00:41:36.180 really at a certain age you're like what do you i see these old people including a lot of old people

00:41:42.180 in power who are like trying to squeeze out another year it's like accept your mortality

00:41:48.820 please spend some time with the people you love and who love you your children your grandchildren your

00:41:54.580 wife none of them want to accept the the finite nature of life so i do accept that and so i just

00:42:00.820 want to do whatever i can to achieve those two goals to remain free and honest inside and to

00:42:06.660 preserve the country that i really love like i loved growing up here and um and so have previous

00:42:12.820 generations in my family and i hope subsequent generations so that's that's kind of it i have

00:42:16.340 always had low bore goals i don't have any grand plan for world domination i can i can't even

00:42:22.020 dominate my town you know but um but i would do anything to do that anything anything

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00:44:07.940 so you would consider 2028 run yeah i don't think i'd be very good at it but i would do whatever i

00:44:16.020 could to help i want to be helpful right and that is the motto of my family actually inside my wedding

00:44:21.060 ring it says forever your helper and my wife says that too because i believe in helping i think that's

00:44:27.540 that's our duty as christians it's our duty as people it's the most fulfilling thing you can do is

00:44:31.700 just to help in some small way you're never going to figure it out you're never going to fix

00:44:35.460 everything because you're not god to repeat you're not god but you can make incremental progress and

00:44:41.380 you should never stop trying so i would i mean would you oh no question about it this country's

00:44:47.140 changed my life yeah there's uh uh absolutely but do you think there's a political i mean this is such

00:44:53.460 a cliche at this point but is there a political solution to the problems that beset us what are you

00:45:00.020 going to do if you're not involved how are you going to be able to make direct input you can talk

00:45:03.620 about all this stuff all you want if you're not on the inside to see what's really going on then what

00:45:07.620 are you going to do because i think we're i think articulating things out loud makes all the difference

00:45:14.100 policy change policy change for sure but those follow typically follow changes of heart i mean

00:45:20.020 there are some policies that nobody wants and they change everything because they're imposed by fiat

00:45:23.780 that's real on the other hand look at what triggers the liars it's not policy changes it's some guy

00:45:32.020 standing up and saying wait that's not true the cia knew about oswald like shut up you know it's

00:45:38.580 like or whatever it is like why don't you declassify the 9 11 document shut up conspiracy theorist it's

00:45:43.780 like why is that so threatening and it's so threatening because it's getting closer to the

00:45:49.060 truth so saying the truth out loud i mean they spend all of their time trying to censor people why do

00:45:54.100 they do that because that's the greatest threat to them it's not some bill in congress that can be undone

00:45:58.980 what can't be on if you get in an argument with your wife and you say something truly horrible to

00:46:03.780 her like vicious and you know true kind of hard to fix that like it'd be many years before you fix that

00:46:10.660 because you've articulated something those words have hung in the air as a kind of independent entity

00:46:16.260 like words have their own being in the beginning was the word and that had that does more damage

00:46:24.500 than punching somebody it's true so i don't know i think telling the truth out loud um is like the

00:46:32.420 most powerful and revolutionary thing that you can do yeah but you need you so so what will happen is

00:46:38.740 here's what i noticed that's going on um so we're at a family uh goldman sachs event in chicago last week

00:46:46.340 and they bring these 60 billionaire families and it's about family uh family forum family uh founder

00:46:54.100 family forum something like that right it was actually very interesting thing thing to go because

00:46:58.340 it's generational wealth to see how other families have done it so you saw all the owners of the

00:47:02.180 different sports teams reinsdorf you know they own the bulls you got the cubs you got the blackhawk

00:47:07.700 you got the crown family general dynamics 30 billion dollar family and they're kind of going through it

00:47:12.260 and then you have the walsh family very very interesting to listen to these guys one of the

00:47:17.620 parts when they're the the crown family guy keating is talking he says you know in our family i'm

00:47:26.180 fourth generation i'm the oldest g4 and g4 means fourth generation kid for you he's a 47 year old g4 okay

00:47:35.060 his daughter is a 12 year old who's the oldest g5 at a 150 okay so you got a oldest g4 oldest g5 now g5

00:47:46.660 is 150 kids grandkids so imagine 150 kids that are coming from a billionaire family like uh how much

00:47:54.180 of that is coming to me what do i need it's kind of complicated to how to use that yeah right okay so

00:47:58.740 watch this so then the next guy comes up and is breaking down the numbers saying do you know what

00:48:03.620 percentage of wealthy families money makes it to second generation g2 31 do you know what percentage

00:48:10.100 makes it to g3 12 do you know what percentage makes it to g4 three percent so wow 31 12 3 to g4 what is

00:48:21.380 it to g5 g6 g7 okay so where am i going with this america is a family is a company right and it started

00:48:31.060 off with the wealth that's been created and now we got g1 g2 g3 g4 whatever it is today g20 g30 g40

00:48:37.860 we're on a different g right and except now it's like a super wealthy family let's put a net worth

00:48:46.420 of 32 trillion dollars or 30 trillion dollars minus all the credit card debt that we have that's another

00:48:51.140 32 trillion dollars and we got a top line revenue of say four trillion dollars whatever our gdp that we're

00:48:56.260 doing per year no problem so you break this down and you're trying to get that money it was like hey

00:49:02.420 what am i gonna get how'd you forget about me i did this you owe me this much money oh

00:49:07.540 shit we gotta make this guy we gotta make that guy we gotta make this guy the way it's going

00:49:11.940 it's catastrophic on what's going to happen i know money-wise here very soon with the next

00:49:16.740 generation that are entitled on what you're going to give to them next okay so

00:49:21.940 many times just like when you look at people that should have more kids don't the people that

00:49:29.700 don't have the resources are not teaching the values are not that responsible are not the

00:49:33.460 examples of a good citizen to duplicate other kids they're having seven eight nine kids and so we're

00:49:39.620 duplicating the wrong habits at a pace faster than duplicating the right habits eventually what ends up

00:49:45.700 happening is people that are not qualified to run a job do so and they have control over you and i i think

00:49:51.380 it was plato that said it i've noticed those who think it's foolish to study politics will be

00:49:58.340 governed by fools who do that's right those who think it's foolish to study politics will be

00:50:04.100 governed by fools who do okay if if guys who have the mouthpiece debate history argument if those guys

00:50:12.660 who should consider running don't run fools will and now we're going to be governed by what's the story

00:50:17.620 of kamala harris i mean when i was a child i got my first driver's license in 1985 or something ish

00:50:24.100 1985. kamala harris would be working the dmv and you'd think like how did someone like this get a job

00:50:29.300 at the dmv like she's dumb prestigious she's annoying she clearly hates me for reasons i can't control

00:50:35.540 um and then you wake up in a country where she's a us senator then vice president united states it's like

00:50:40.340 no i completely agree with you the problem is it's hard to fix that the generational i mean i actually

00:50:47.460 grew up in a family like this you know g5 or whatever and like you look around and everybody's

00:50:52.660 kind of not impressive and self-hating and not productive and increasingly not rich at all

00:50:59.300 and drinking too much and decadent and filled with all kinds of angst and all that like generational

00:51:06.500 wealth does not i've almost never seen it work so like what's the answer to that well i don't think

00:51:13.220 the answer is sitting on the sidelines and having them keep getting more and more but that is that

00:51:17.140 you just described the problem of the country right i'm not attacking the crown family or

00:51:21.780 the goldman sachs family so i wonder how screwed up the g5 is and all those families pretty screwed

00:51:26.340 up of course it is like big time oh and no question about it so what happens in families happens at

00:51:31.140 scale it happens in countries for sure but also at the same time you know when when uh you go and

00:51:36.900 study lawrence miller's book barbarians to bureaucrats he talks about every civilization every society every

00:51:41.700 country company goes through these phases first you have the prophet he's the founder you have the

00:51:46.100 founding fathers right hey we're gonna go out there and there's no way we're gonna pay taxes on

00:51:50.340 taxation but i represent shit okay these guys are not wanting to pay taxes yeah we're not gonna they

00:51:55.620 can't do that to us all right then they inspire barbarians okay so jobs inspired barbarians musk

00:52:05.540 inspires barbarians sometimes the prophet is a barbarian musk is both right jobs is both our founding

00:52:12.420 fathers many of them were both so you got prophet barbarian builders explorers then you have

00:52:20.020 administrators oh yes then you have aristocrats bureaucrats then comes the downfall company family

00:52:27.620 legacy g4 g5 it's done and the only way at this point that you can save that civilization that society

00:52:34.260 that company is for a synergist that comes in and is able to rally enough of the people to say here's

00:52:41.220 what we're going to be doing he's not trying to rally the aristocrats he's not trying to rally

00:52:45.060 the bureaucrats you're not going to get those guys those guys got to get fired he's trying to rally

00:52:49.380 the builders the explorers the guys that are saying hey man i just want to kind of go out there and build

00:52:52.660 my business i feel we're at an era right now we're at a phase right now where the synergists need to

00:53:00.260 say you know what i feel like i can play the role for this great let's roll i think these guys

00:53:07.860 need to right now either be recruited they need to be inspired they need to have people that come to

00:53:12.900 them and have a conversation saying hey i think you need to consider we got five of us here we came here

00:53:17.460 for one reason we're thinking about talking to you about 2028 not interested not this not not saying

00:53:22.180 these conversations are not happening of course they're happening behind closed doors regularly

00:53:26.020 but i think these guys if america's worth saving if the concept of saving america is something that

00:53:33.860 we value we need to either choose if we can contribute kind of like you or we need to inspire

00:53:40.660 and recruit and you know get others to say i think you ought to consider doing this i mean

00:53:44.740 i think you you need a whole class of people i mean i i feel like i'm unusual statistically unusual

00:53:50.820 in that i'm a white american born man who's not like suicidal on some level i don't i don't think

00:53:55.540 there's a virtue in destroying things including myself not just not into it i i just don't feel

00:54:00.340 that way at all i'm sort of you know what i mean have a lot to appreciate and everything and i love my

00:54:05.540 family but there aren't that many people like that and it is it is the product of generational wealth i mean

00:54:13.460 there are a lot but statistically there are a lot of people who i mean what's transgenderism

00:54:21.060 it's it's a form of suicide of course what's drug addiction a form of suicide what's chronic obesity

00:54:26.740 form of suicide it's all kind of branches from the same tree and um so it's really about the spirit and

00:54:33.460 that's why you know if you did immigration right which we're not doing at all we're using immigration

00:54:38.020 as another tool to destroy the country but you could conceivably um you know add the energy

00:54:44.740 and the non-suicidal impulses into your country or gene pool that would be good um

00:54:50.980 but i don't kind of see a way out like the people who were born in 1969 um as i was you know just a

00:54:57.620 lot of them are just given up so what would you say as a employer and as as an immigrant who made it

00:55:04.340 here what would you say to like a 22 year old man who can't get a job go to some stupid college get

00:55:09.220 some meaningless marketing degree and you can't get a job you're a white man you can't get a job

00:55:12.820 what would you and and then they're on the internet all upset they're not dating it's like it's a it's

00:55:17.460 a disaster i'm seeing it all around me yeah what would you say to that kid uh go instead of pursuing

00:55:23.140 a career pursue a doer and someone to shadow i don't think it's about you going and saying i'm going

00:55:28.500 to go be a realtor i'm going to go be a business analyst i'm going to go be a predictive and i'm

00:55:32.580 going to go be a vp of this why don't you go work for a person that's a prolific at what they do and

00:55:39.060 go model them go shadow them that's going to be a better university for you than anything else we're

00:55:42.900 sitting here last night who learned the most the guys that were here that are watching the exchange

00:55:47.300 the questioning hey what do you think about this what about that going back and forth to somebody

00:55:51.140 that's 22 years old yesterday was six months worth of media lessons last night what we just went

00:55:56.180 through right think about what that happened those three hours last night what would a 22 year old

00:56:01.140 gain from that what would you and i gain at 22 if we were at that room you're like oh my god

00:56:05.780 it's crazy okay i get this makes sense so i think to me it's more go find the right people to duplicate

00:56:12.740 and shadow and support them and if you can work under them as closely as possible that'd be a better

00:56:18.420 degree for you than anything else but let me go back to kind of what you were saying saying i'm

00:56:22.020 55 years old the guys that were born in 1969 they're kind of like like i'm just like

00:56:25.540 you know but that's they've given up but that's exactly what they want you to do that's exactly

00:56:30.660 i'm not doing that no not you meaning that's exactly what if the person's why that's exactly

00:56:34.340 what they want you to do they want you to be sitting there saying yeah i mean what can i do you

00:56:38.900 know i'm just like i can't do anything about it in in every organization in every great movie every

00:56:45.300 great story every great book the hero's journey you go through it's typically the guy that doesn't

00:56:51.540 want to do it people are trying to encourage him and then finally one day clicks boom and then

00:56:58.340 boom you know something happens spirit opens up they go in intentional a certain level of

00:57:03.300 conviction deep down inside where you're saying there's something different about the way this

00:57:07.060 guy's selling it to me than others i don't know why i like this guy i trust this guy he seems

00:57:11.620 reasonable i can listen to this guy i think those guys are out there and the idea years ago

00:57:18.660 you know they asked castro say hey if you had to do it all over again how many thousands of people

00:57:25.860 would you need to be able to pursue your vision of communism and all this other would it be ten

00:57:30.420 thousand would it be a hundred thousand would it be a thousand he says i need one person who's a

00:57:34.980 hundred percent true believer that's all i need with one we would have done it all over again right

00:57:40.740 there's this idea that we think we need 70 80 a thousand ten thousand we need one person who we can

00:57:46.660 rally behind and by the way the other thing i would also say is you know the founding fathers 1776 they

00:57:52.820 did what they did benjamin rush you got all these guys smith jefferson you know washington of course

00:57:57.780 franklin all these names right

00:58:01.380 where are those guys today who are getting together once a month once a quarter once every six months to

00:58:08.260 talk where are those guys today where are those guys today do we not need those guys today and

00:58:13.940 i'm not talking about congress senate i'm talking about guys that can hold those guys accountable

00:58:17.860 where are those guys today i don't know but i think uh you know the great thing about what's

00:58:22.900 been going on the last four years specifically maybe started 16 got pretty bad in cobit 2020 2021

00:58:30.420 the one thing that's been very weird the last four years the right people are finding each other i

00:58:36.340 totally agree it's a beautiful thing do you feel the spirit of the country changing do you feel the

00:58:40.100 people well i have noticed in my tiny weird little world that people do seem freer about what they

00:58:46.020 say and think i agree you you feel i fully agree absolutely i agree and by the way i think a couple

00:58:51.700 of it also we got to give credit to the right people you got to give credit to capitalism because

00:58:55.700 i think what danny elected with spotify defending rogan was monumental i agree with that i think that

00:59:00.980 was a very very big move on what he did i think musk buying twitter and x monumental if

00:59:08.260 act doesn't do what he does he fires rogan if elan never buys twitter this is not the same america

00:59:14.100 so there's been also good moves behind closed doors where people are sitting there and saying okay

00:59:20.660 all right if we act up and we give strikes for everything and we lose these guys they got a place

00:59:27.140 to go spotify and they got a place to go twitter and x that is problem that we can't lose that guy

00:59:32.820 because if we do then people are going to be like this is the censorship crowd oh what so what do we

00:59:37.700 got to do to get rid of elan defamation we got to do we got to find everything and anything we can

00:59:43.380 on him right or what do we got to do with spotify he doesn't give a shit he's living in a different

00:59:47.700 country he can't do anything to him and by the way spotify numbers came out right now i don't know if

00:59:51.220 you saw the reports from this morning saying 64 of fans of the podcast they follow they rely on them

00:59:58.980 for their political views than what they get from mainstream media and their numbers has grown

01:00:03.780 it's amazing it's a beautiful thing it's a beautiful thing and by the way just to show

01:00:07.380 a rare flash of racial pride go sweden danielak go sweden yes sweden hasn't added a lot actually to

01:00:14.900 the world in the last hundred years but this is one thing right ever since sob went out of business

01:00:20.500 i kind of lost faith but spotify beautiful car yes uh very sporty so what is i am really strong

01:00:26.500 struck by so many things to me that's how i spent my life but um one like how is this shaking out

01:00:34.340 like there are a lot of conservative media outlets that i sort of took semi-seriously that now i don't

01:00:38.980 take seriously at all they're obviously fake um and the news outlets i worked for for the past 30 years

01:00:46.100 they're either all gone or they're about to be gone nbc news is going to be all going away obviously

01:00:51.460 so how does what does the landscape look in five years in the media space yeah specific to

01:00:57.700 conservative just broadly okay so uh cable is dropping but not at the pace people thought

01:01:05.460 uh what peacock did paying 110 million dollars for the dolphins game against the chiefs and had 23

01:01:13.220 million people watching that they had to pay what 4.99 or 9.99 that changed the game with sports

01:01:18.500 so cable center saying holy what are we going to do now i think they just signed two nfl games that

01:01:23.220 either amazon or netflix one of those guys paid some 100 million dollars 120 million dollars so

01:01:28.420 you're seeing sports make the transition out of cable tv because cable tv has been saved by three

01:01:32.820 communities you got the boomers you got the sports community and you got big pharma you take those three

01:01:38.900 out there is no cable it's gone big pharma gets their advertising dollars through there so you need one

01:01:44.420 president to come in and say hey we're not going to be one of two like new zealand allowing you guys

01:01:49.060 to advertise on tv you're gone do it elsewhere you're not going to advertise anymore you know who

01:01:53.460 goes out of business if they do that 80 of these guys if not more boomers it's just a matter of time

01:01:59.220 i mean i don't think that would that would just to pause for one second i don't think that would

01:02:02.660 save america but i think it would improve america a lot tremendously

01:02:13.460 people do you take any head drugs are you in xanax or adderall no no but everybody is you're

01:02:20.100 right right and those drugs kill you and destroy your brain and no one ever says anything about it

01:02:24.980 how many people do you know are addicted to xanax or adderall i know a lot personally i've lost friends

01:02:28.900 all of that me personally no problem yeah so xanax and adderall which are considered like

01:02:33.540 totally normal it's just xanax and adderall like that's completely evil i mean it's meth

01:02:38.900 and um a physically addictive benzodiazepine i mean it's like really crazy and i can't remember

01:02:44.420 the last time i remember ever seeing a story and i have you ever seen a story on that the only one

01:02:48.740 you would think about is when tom cruise went on matt lower and he pushed the envelope and you know

01:02:52.260 going at him i don't know if you remember that where he's saying why are we taking all these do i

01:02:54.980 remember it yes i remember i remember thinking the tom cruise salmon i don't watch movies so i was

01:03:00.580 like tom cruise is like an actor he seems a little feminine and weird he's in this cult

01:03:04.660 scientology right by the end of that i was like you know what i i don't know tom cruise but i'm kind of

01:03:08.740 pro tom cruise because that guy is telling the truth i don't care if it's because of his weird

01:03:12.100 religion or whatever that's the truth oh that was fascinating right or even when uh uh uh robert

01:03:20.340 de niro de niro when he's at a film festival and a documentary was coming out about vaccine by

01:03:27.060 i think del victory and he's talking about the documentary because he's got an autistic son i

01:03:31.060 think he's like 22 or 23 years old that's one area where he's like we have to look into this

01:03:34.820 what's going on with this and he's kept the counter to him at the time the kid was 16 years old

01:03:38.660 but i think there's some moments and they try to hide it as much as suggested there's a link between

01:03:43.300 vaccines and you've never seen this interview no i have to show it to you afterwards okay so he's talking

01:03:48.340 about it and the host is trying to shut him up and he's you guys got to see this documentary and

01:03:53.220 he's not one that uses his kids as a we know where he's at with trump we know he's got tds we know he

01:03:59.460 loses his mind but when it comes down to vaccine and autism that is a very personal thing to him but

01:04:05.540 can you imagine not being allowed to ask yeah that's a problem i mean i don't know if that's true or not

01:04:10.820 there's some evidence that it is true and we do know um that they took the additive out of the vaccine

01:04:16.340 but it of course had nothing to do with autism but like in what world can't you ask that question

01:04:21.220 or demand like a straightforward answer they're forcing your kids to take this stuff

01:04:25.140 no i mean listen if you think about business models tucker and i'll go back to the question

01:04:28.980 about the media landscape i'll just kind of say this i'll say this and i'll go back to the media

01:04:32.020 landscape if you think about business models okay if if you and i go to a hotel how do hotels make

01:04:39.620 money let's just say you and i own a hotel with 200 you know with 2 000 beds right okay

01:04:46.740 when we get our report from the guy that's running the hotel what number do we want at the end of the

01:04:51.380 month we want to know out of the 31 days this month times 2 000 beds that's 60 000 times that

01:04:59.140 these beds could have been rented how many times were they rented okay and say well you know we were

01:05:05.220 at 89 can we get it to 92 so what do we need we need people staying in our hotel to make money that's

01:05:11.060 our business model the business model of a hotel isn't to have only 10 of the rooms being used you

01:05:15.940 need people to step out okay so what's the business model of hospitals i must be totally different right

01:05:22.420 right so we need those beds to be filled and by the way do you know the kind of numbers when you

01:05:28.820 do you know what is the number one industry for the number one industry if you ask right now what's

01:05:33.860 the number one industry of the most money they did last year you know what most people would say

01:05:38.100 would they say energy oil you know that's only a half a trillion you know what's number one hospitals

01:05:42.740 yeah one and a half trillion dollars and when they ask him on how much you charge for a basic surgery

01:05:49.060 bypass or whatever it is their range is from you know 44 000 up to 580 000 why is that range such a big

01:05:55.700 range and by the way who controls your pricing and do you guys have to report on what it really

01:05:59.940 costs you to do this and i think under trump i don't know if you remember this in 2020 2021 he

01:06:04.180 kind of came out with a law forcing hospitals to report honestly like here's what you're doing

01:06:10.260 i think out of 500 hospitals they audited 471 never even completed their numbers on what they're

01:06:15.060 so they're charging people so most people think it's providers making a lot of money providers are not

01:06:19.140 making a lot of money they're losing money the people that are making money is hospital so hospital

01:06:24.100 models i need sick people big pharma models i need new diagnosis the more new diagnosis i have

01:06:30.020 the more new drugs i can sell so i need new drug diagnosis what is the you know contractors model

01:06:36.740 military contract i need war if we don't have war how the hell are we going to make money if i go to

01:06:42.020 mainstream media what do i need controversy conflict chaos that's how i make my money when you actually

01:06:47.700 look at the business model of what these guys are doing they need chaos and problems to keep

01:06:53.540 making money okay so that part is a very concerning thing so going back to mainstream media three

01:06:58.740 things keeping them in boomers big pharma boomers and sports sports so now what sports is happening

01:07:04.980 is a lot of these sports guys are realizing cable's not paying well i'm gonna go sign a contract with

01:07:09.380 peacock with netflix with amazon with all these guys they're paying good money they got a lot of

01:07:13.460 money these other guys are dying some of these smaller sports market are saying i don't want you to

01:07:17.540 play it on tv forget about it means nothing to me what you're paying me you know what i'm going to do

01:07:21.620 i'm going to go out there and put it on my own ott i'm going to put on my over the top you want to

01:07:25.220 watch the game you can only see it on the phoenix suns over the top so holy shit cable's like no no

01:07:30.500 no no no don't do that that's problematic not a small market tv is getting crushed so cable

01:07:37.380 problematic they got to figure out a solution there let's go to conservative side on the conservative

01:07:42.180 side you got daily wire that they're dealing with you know whatever happened between candace and ben

01:07:47.220 which has been a a problem that they've been trying to clean up whatever the reasons are behind it

01:07:51.460 that's you know the landscape of what they did decision making process you kind of saw a few

01:07:57.940 different things everybody whether it's from october 7th specifically from october 7th is a place to go

01:08:05.460 everybody you can tell like if we're living in la and we're trying to find out what gang everybody is in

01:08:10.740 okay those guys are ms13 these guys are blood they're crib they're this they're that you all

01:08:16.260 of a sudden saw okay these guys are israel above all these guys are conservative above all these guys

01:08:24.020 are debate above all these guys are discourse above all this is curiosity this is built on pure money

01:08:31.860 and profit and wanting to sell and be a spac and go on the stock market and sell and i'm a billionaire

01:08:36.340 no problem but what you did filter out in the last it was accelerate it was like ah boom we learned

01:08:43.380 about everybody in six months yeah from october 7th it was everybody got exposed and now they're trying

01:08:50.580 to backtrack well no not really well no not really well no not really and that well no not really

01:08:56.180 is going to be tough because you have to maneuver through a lot of the stuff that you said in the last

01:08:59.780 six seven months and the market's going to hold everybody accountable for what you said those clips

01:09:03.300 are not going away right so i think so what's their future look like who specifically daily

01:09:08.820 wire daily wire what's their future look like i don't know i i i don't know their board i know they

01:09:13.460 have the the factoring of fracking guys the oil billionaire guys that based on what i hear from

01:09:19.140 people they're jews for jesus and good guys uh you have to sit there and ask yourself okay if you make

01:09:27.780 this decision the way you did no problem we'll support your decision is there a board and daily

01:09:33.460 wire i don't know do jeremy boring and ben shapiro have a board to process when they're making a big

01:09:39.860 decision maybe maybe not if they do board is held accountable was it a good decision was it not if they

01:09:46.260 don't then the money people have to say well you give a lot of you know freedom to these guys to make

01:09:51.380 the decision so then the money people are going to go out there to want to raise more money and who can

01:09:55.380 you now go to raise money uh you can definitely go to every single billionaire that's jewish and say

01:10:00.420 hey look what we did you should be proud of us here's a position we took no problem we'll give

01:10:04.900 you 200 million dollars and there's a lot of money there that money's not going away and that money's

01:10:09.060 all over the place so if somebody is pro israel and there's a lot of money there that's an unlimited

01:10:16.020 access to money so i don't think that's going to go away people are like oh my god daily wire is going

01:10:19.780 to go no they're not they got money and there's plenty of people that are going to back them up

01:10:23.460 then you have to see who backs them up what media organizations behind closed doors what institutions

01:10:30.420 organizations will go after anybody that says anything bad about them in what way defamation

01:10:36.740 digging up stories articles is that what they're going to do who knows character assassination nobody

01:10:41.300 knows that's speculative to see what they're going to be doing so that sounds like you're saying that

01:10:46.100 october 7th split the right

01:10:51.700 in a big way in a big way in a big way in a big way massive way and like imagine what lincoln project

01:11:02.180 did to 2020 where you know we had all these guys on and then the reports came out this guy's pedophile

01:11:08.420 that guy's just a complete mess when we you know when we had this conversation one of the most fieriest one

01:11:13.140 we had schmidt and vinnie went at it it was viral all over the place you had steve schmidt on oh yeah

01:11:18.820 yeah we've had a lot of weird people on we've had he's a really i know him well we've known him for 25

01:11:23.060 years literally 25 almost 30. he's uh really a damaged character whoa um but not stupid yeah definitely

01:11:31.940 not stupid uh but damaged makes sense because you feel as a rage like he's really got some i don't know

01:11:39.380 if it's anger issues or true hatred for certain people so now imagine lincoln project now you got

01:11:45.220 multiple of them that's going through it yeah and by the way a part of desantis trump was also not a

01:11:51.380 good thing i think we'll recover from that no problem i think the scent is making the right

01:11:54.340 moves right now getting closer to trump building that relationship i'm here to support you i think

01:11:58.260 that's the right move for him to make i wish he would have done it earlier but never too late for

01:12:02.580 him to take that route but i think why didn't he get the nomination for for vp or for for what for

01:12:10.180 for president i think he ran for the republican nomination i i i listen i i think there was

01:12:15.620 is that a dumb question no listen i said this to me he's not a alpha to be a one he's a flag carrier

01:12:24.900 yep and and sometimes flag carriers that like he needs to go read the book 48 laws of power i don't

01:12:31.220 know if you read the book no laws of power he needs to go read 48 laws of power by himself

01:12:35.460 don't tell anybody about it if he sees this okay he needs to go read 40 laws of power and realize

01:12:42.660 the number one mistake desantis made is law number one that's all he needs to do that's all i'm going

01:12:46.980 to say what's law number one law number one is never outshine your master and that's what he did

01:12:50.980 you don't ever do that okay and in this case master is a bad word to use but you can replace

01:12:57.540 masters with the guy that helped you become a governor yeah you never outshine that guy

01:13:02.180 that is the kiss of death when you do that you cannot do that because that person forever is

01:13:08.100 going to know that secretly you always want to take him out to have his throne and once that's

01:13:13.780 out there that guy cannot in the back of his mind ever take that away from his brain it's always

01:13:17.780 going to be here it's going to be like oh i know where you're at okay no problem oh nobody

01:13:21.940 no no i know what you want i know deep down inside you want my throne no problem versus a

01:13:27.780 role he could have played like a uh uh godfather what is it that robert deval plays i always butchers

01:13:34.340 him is tom hagna what's the guy's name the conciliary to to the boss you obviously watch many movies

01:13:40.420 seen all these questions not too many movies like none very obviously you're a big movie guy here but no

01:13:45.940 no i think that's the part i think once he did that it was bad for him but he's 45 he's got

01:13:52.580 plenty of run rate he just needs to be a phenomenal flag carrier and but can a flag carrier ever ascend

01:13:59.300 to the alpha position for sure biden was a flag carrier yeah for sure george bussenia is a flag

01:14:04.580 carrier uh uh nixon was a flag carrier you know there's uh the model of flag here is actually very

01:14:10.580 easy to be a president ulysses s krant was a flag carrier right and then boom he became two-term not

01:14:15.780 necessarily the best president but they did become a president so if he's solving for being a president

01:14:19.940 you can do it but you got to be a great flag carrier uh most of the time flag carriers are

01:14:23.780 not the best communicators most of the time flag carriers are not the best to get up there and

01:14:28.260 do what they do they need somebody to edify them so if you're not the best orator speaker

01:14:33.860 uh you're a very good day-to-day getting policies and stuff done which he can do he's a very smart guy

01:14:39.780 you need a big orator with a big mic to defend you and back you up he lost that mic and he's got

01:14:44.900 to figure out he would have gained that mic back for 2028 fascinating i i think correct yeah i

01:14:50.580 want to go back to something you said a second ago you said that um in fact you even looked at

01:14:54.260 me like it was a dumb question which it probably was october 7th was a pivot point in conservative

01:14:59.780 media and it divided it um how and why and is it permanent

01:15:04.500 uh man i mean listen anybody that's a big talent it deep down inside there's probably some ego some a

01:15:16.260 lot of ego like i'm better than you ego i'm smarter than that guy and you know it's it's tough to admit

01:15:23.220 to a mistake while you're going through it some of these guys made massive mistakes right now the problem

01:15:29.780 like what the position you take with candace that's a problematic position now to give him credit

01:15:36.820 he came out and said uh you know daily wire is not a platform we're a publisher as a publisher we can't

01:15:43.060 let go of anybody you're right yeah totally fine you can do that for sure and then the argument is

01:15:48.180 well you know we had dave rubin on and and rubin says well you know you don't know the whole story

01:15:52.500 and you know what's going on there and she had said something and okay yeah she questions certain

01:15:58.100 questions now you may say we're not comfortable with this no problem um but your position when

01:16:05.780 you know you knock off you you go after you know candace talking about crisis kink and then you're

01:16:11.300 playing the games and then if the story comes out the fact that they use candace asking ben for a

01:16:16.900 debate as a form of getting the gag order if that story comes out let's just say that story is true i

01:16:22.340 think glenn greenwald reported on it if that is true if it's not true well then glenn

01:16:27.940 greenwald's got to go through and say what he's got to say but if that story is true that they use

01:16:32.100 the tweet from candace to almost lure in and then call the lawyers to if that story ever comes out

01:16:39.700 in the next year two years three years if that comes out that's uh that's very problematic because

01:16:45.460 talent is going to have to feel comfortable going somewhere great talent is going to uh great talent

01:16:51.220 is going to have to go somewhere that they feel safe they feel protected a dana white is a great case

01:16:56.020 study for this conor mcgregor a diva loud problematic sometimes chaotic dana knows how to work with him

01:17:04.980 okay phil jackson nobody wanted dennis rodman phil knows how to work with dennis rodman come here we'll

01:17:10.820 win he goes to the lakers come here we'll win they did right and before chuck uh daly who was a coach of

01:17:16.740 the pistons you know draymond green steve kirk can handle that right sometimes talent if you look at how

01:17:24.420 they are there needs to be somebody that knows how to work with them as well you have to show as a

01:17:29.860 publisher as a media company that you know how to get talent build them up and also you know how to

01:17:36.020 behind closed doors to massage and work with them while they're going through their changes as a

01:17:40.660 talent if you don't know how to manage ego and manage divas uh you're eventually going to you lose

01:17:46.500 your best talent to elsewhere that knows how to do that and number two the divas are always going to be

01:17:51.780 scared of someone like you because that's the one thing they don't want they don't want to go to a

01:17:55.300 place to be like hey here's what i need you to do and what eventually ends up happening is the following

01:17:59.620 eventually look at fox's reputation you got bill o'reilly you got beck you got megan you got you

01:18:08.820 okay what do all four of you guys have in common i know them all of course you do you guys were all

01:18:14.180 number one you guys crushed it on cable tv for god knows how many years and you guys all had a ugly

01:18:21.780 fallen out at the end fox has to rebuild that reputation if they want to attract talent like

01:18:28.980 that if not what they're going to end up catching themselves doing is especially at a time where

01:18:33.780 more people are realizing i don't need you this is very problematic like it's not like the leverage is

01:18:38.420 on them they can the way the way some of these media companies are acting today they could have

01:18:44.180 gone away with that 20 years ago you can't today because talent has a choice they didn't have a choice

01:18:50.180 20 years ago where am i going to go 20 years ago think about it 20 years ago if i'm working for cnn

01:18:55.540 or msnbc and i got a show and rachel maddow and whatever brian stelter and you know all the guys

01:19:00.900 that you and all of a sudden they go super left and you're in between the maddow show boom you know

01:19:05.060 what i just don't think they have a place for me this guy's done wait that actually happened i know

01:19:09.220 that's what i'm saying that's what i'm reading and so i was like that sounds so familiar well you know

01:19:13.540 and then john stewart you know well let me tell you just got to stop by the way that would be a very

01:19:17.700 good interesting uh podcast if you ever do with john stewart yeah i don't know um yeah it would be

01:19:24.580 i mean it would be interesting i want to be a good sport i think the world would watch it

01:19:29.780 yeah i mean the world would watch all kinds of ugly things i but i just try to think

01:19:35.940 i have such contempt for him i guess maybe that would make it hard

01:19:39.700 i like interviewing people i disagree with chris cromo i interviewed and you know i totally

01:19:44.980 disagree with chris cromo on so much and i've made fun of him so much i've been really mean to him

01:19:48.820 but i i don't have contempt for chris cromo at all actually uh but john stewart i have total contempt

01:19:53.940 for him i know i think he's like i just i don't have no respect at all and i never have and that

01:20:00.180 hasn't changed in the 20 years since i last saw him so it's it's hard to interview have you ever

01:20:04.740 interviewed someone you have no respect for at all of course it's hard of course it is i don't like it

01:20:10.420 it's not easy it's like i don't give a shit what you say i mean you're pathetic yeah it's not even

01:20:15.220 your real name like everything about you is fake you're just fake and you're kind of a dumb person

01:20:20.660 posing as a smart person like everything about it ugh barf so i don't know if i could do that no i

01:20:26.980 listen i i understand and i can only imagine because i'm the viewer i'm not even you to know

01:20:31.620 what you know what the real context when i interviewed the creepy porn lawyer michael avonetti

01:20:36.100 there was i mean he's a very menacing person and you know not a great person obviously and

01:20:41.620 i totally disagree with him on the other hand he had kind of an energy that i didn't disrespect i

01:20:47.060 mean he's just like a very energetic guy right right but john stewart's like a like freaking npr

01:20:53.620 listener who takes it seriously he's just like i'm just so over that it's so mediocre you know what

01:20:59.380 would be interesting about it because from the scene of him coming and trying to bully you guys

01:21:04.100 to where you are today you won that's the point well i thought i won then

01:21:10.500 i'm a little out of it i uh but but you may have won oh i lost in the court of public opinion for

01:21:16.020 sure right that's the part oh yeah it's not even a conversation yeah so you were talking about the

01:21:22.420 media business and i'd asked you you said october 7th really split conservative media yes it did

01:21:28.580 permanently no not at all no people gonna have their certain people yes but for the most part you

01:21:35.620 know uh look at marco rubio oh he's considered a vice presidential uh potential what after what

01:21:42.980 happened hands yeah and people move on right you know this is a very media politics sports you talk

01:21:49.460 shit you get pissed cannot believe it cliquish all this stuff and then eventually somebody typically

01:21:54.820 behind closed doors says what matters more your ego or america well can i have both not all the

01:22:00.020 time okay then america you're gonna raise your kids here yes all right let's figure this thing out

01:22:04.260 and we move on right well i agree with that completely i'm surrounded by people who i once hated so

01:22:09.060 yes i strong feel that way really really strongly chris cuomo though who i've already said i like and

01:22:14.500 i mean it and i think is talented um is having trouble from my read re-entering the conversation

01:22:22.580 people are still mad at chris cuomo about covet that's my is that your take on it oh absolutely

01:22:27.300 and by the way even more now by the way

01:22:36.340 more now i think it's more now and here's why it's more now because at least four years ago one

01:22:43.860 side loved him and the other side hated him four years ago now both sides hate him

01:22:52.740 you may say why very simple so he was there to the left to the establishment he was a hero yes

01:23:03.460 you should take the vaccine what is all this horse you know ivermectin stuff what's this all about

01:23:09.540 you're being irresponsible byron donald's yes what a great citizen cuomo is right face of cnn big pharma

01:23:16.180 and all these guys we like what he's doing right and the writers like why are you making me take it i don't

01:23:20.260 want to take it let it be my choice now you mean to tell me you're going from that position to on the

01:23:27.700 podcast saying i'm taking ivermectin now and yeah i guess joe rogan was right you're saying that now

01:23:34.820 and i'm vax injured and i'm not only vax injured and then when i ask him if covet comes back in 2026

01:23:43.380 and they're forcing everybody to take the vaccine would you take it he says absolutely not

01:23:47.220 so you wouldn't take it i wouldn't take it okay so obviously when he says that you have to keep in

01:23:54.820 mind that how is fauci feel about that probably not good how is people from cdc the doctors how do they

01:24:04.660 feel about it probably not good how about some of the people from his side that were all on a show

01:24:09.940 and he was taking care of him defending him they can't stand him right now because what he's doing

01:24:14.820 is he's bringing back something that's been under the rug and almost disappeared because everybody's

01:24:21.780 now talking about what immigration everybody's talking about all these other issues right

01:24:24.980 immigration you know election 2024 yeah what happened what about the gain of function yeah but

01:24:30.260 forget about it but let's focus on all this stuff what about what china let's talk about october 7th

01:24:34.180 exactly so i think what he's doing is a massive risk but wait a second it doesn't okay so what

01:24:42.100 you're saying makes sense on one side clearly his former allies are mad they feel betrayed

01:24:46.580 he's exposing the lies but doesn't that give him new allies i mean i'm having dinner tonight for example

01:24:52.740 with glenn greenwald who i love and consider a friend of mine sure and glenn greenwald must have

01:24:58.180 written 50 pieces attacking me 20 years ago right but then we aligned on a couple of big issues real

01:25:04.260 issues and i'm like i'm happy to be friends with with glenn greenwald i've changed my views on a lot

01:25:09.460 of issues i believe in repentance i think change is essential as the facts change so should your

01:25:13.860 conclusions like this is all good and so normally the once was lost now and found people find a new

01:25:20.660 home but he doesn't seem to have found a new home no because he hasn't uh uh repented and asked for

01:25:27.860 forgiveness and that's not easy to do so it's so easy to do it's the easiest thing there is

01:25:35.300 i fucked up i'm sorry like that's the most simple liberating act in life yeah but let me ask you a

01:25:43.060 question so here's a question for you you're married right your family yeah you have your kid you know

01:25:48.660 you you got your thing you got your community imagine all of a sudden you get so close to fauci

01:25:56.420 and you're all of a sudden hanging out with rachel matter you guys are best friends and you're hanging

01:26:02.580 out with all these guys on the left and suddenly you sit there and say no the right was wrong

01:26:11.300 everybody should take the vaccine everybody should go through it okay so imagine you take a position like

01:26:17.540 that suddenly how's your wife feel about it how's your family feel about it how do your lineage of what

01:26:24.740 you've done your history where you come from how do they feel about it all the other really so

01:26:31.380 you're you have to sleep next to your wife now you know so for chris as he's going through this

01:26:38.100 process and you're talking to the guy off camera my kids absolutely love this guy when he comes in

01:26:46.100 he wrestles does jujitsu with my kids they're doing this they're doing that off camera we have the most

01:26:50.740 fiery arguments hour two hour three hour just absolute like bomb bomb and then hey okay man

01:26:57.620 i'll talk to you next week done right and a part of me i'm not speaking on his behalf this is something

01:27:04.820 he needs to make a decision for himself is when i go through it and i process it he he gives me zero

01:27:11.540 vibes of somebody's on the left zero chris cuomo no he's not he's not not even a little bit let me

01:27:18.660 explain what it's almost like being around someone who yeah like he's not in touch with himself and he

01:27:23.940 he doesn't know what everyone else knows about him and chris cuomo you look at chris cuomo he's like

01:27:27.700 you are in no sense a liberal temperamentally no he's not he's not a liberal now he may be a center

01:27:32.660 left guy okay fine he may be a center maybe a center right guy economically right vaccine not

01:27:39.860 for it now doesn't like what happened with it you know when he thinks about certain things with

01:27:45.220 military there's so many things that you can go on but the guy's going he you know he is risen you

01:27:50.740 know who's the only person that texts me when it's easter or any of these and first guy that texts me it's

01:27:54.580 him so spiritually what he's going through oh these are all stuff that you look at like okay maybe he's

01:27:59.540 going through it maybe he's going through what he's doing right now but for him to come out he's

01:28:03.140 afraid of the feminists that's part of it i can feel that i said that to him right to him he's afraid

01:28:08.020 you if you care what the feminists think and obviously you shouldn't because it's so degrading

01:28:12.340 to care what they think but then you have to mouth certain lies and you're like required because you're

01:28:17.620 afraid of the screechiness yeah but they don't respect you more for repeating their lies they actually

01:28:22.900 see you as a bitch when you do that they want you to be strong they're feminists in the first

01:28:26.820 place because they haven't been around men who are just honest and correct and strong so you cannot

01:28:31.060 be afraid of them and i really get the feeling like he he can't say certain things because he's

01:28:35.700 afraid of i put something above that though i put his last name and his family yeah well i get that

01:28:40.340 though i have total sympathy for chris that's number one his father his brother i put that as number

01:28:44.660 one and i feel like if he comes out and fully flips he gets that and the other part for me is a

01:28:49.300 what can i say i respect that yeah i do that's that's the one thing you're not being a

01:28:54.420 bitch for respecting your father's legacy or remaining close to your brother like you should

01:28:59.220 do that so i i feel for him right and then there's the other part of you know the school of thought

01:29:04.180 of when you apologize they will forever come after you should be careful to apologize i'd never apologize

01:29:08.820 there's a community as well who are those people that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard whoever's in

01:29:13.380 your ear whoever never apologize you should not fool if you should not apologize if they do they will

01:29:19.460 come after you for the rest of your life no you should apologize only when you mean it that's

01:29:24.820 the rule don't lie so of course you never apologize you know if you get caught up in some fake me too

01:29:30.180 thing you're like i should have been more sensitive to unhappy 39 year old unmarried women no what

01:29:35.700 mistakes did you make that you apologize on oh my god me give three of them uh well he's watching

01:29:40.900 being drunk a lot okay you know i'm sorry um and i mean that supporting the iraq war working for bill

01:29:48.420 crystal being used to attack pat buchanan basically being used but because when i was younger as a

01:29:54.740 writer because i was just not aware of the larger cross currents and i didn't follow my own instincts

01:30:00.180 i followed orders you know those are the marks of a weak man and i and i was and i'm embarrassed of

01:30:05.540 that and i would by the way i apologize all the time if as long as it's sincere yeah then you win

01:30:13.700 lying makes you weak telling the truth makes you strong it's super simple you know it's crazy check

01:30:18.180 this out so one day where this is when all my content was on entrepreneurship and we were running

01:30:23.460 the top channel on youtube for entrepreneurship if you would have typed in entrepreneur 50 50 videos

01:30:28.820 pulls up on the search half of them were ours we just owned the word entrepreneur okay and that led

01:30:33.940 into the consulting from david consulting you go to david.com or manect all that stuff that's the

01:30:38.900 entrepreneur side we would look at what words in the titles would do best words okay so let's go

01:30:48.420 through a couple of them rules very good word for youtube 20 rules of whatever 10 rules of whatever

01:30:57.220 so rules for whatever reason great word for youtube people want to get rules 12 rules for life jordan

01:31:05.140 peterson 20 rules for money 7 million views on youtube that i did 10 years ago and people want

01:31:10.980 to learn the rules of money basic video it's nothing crazy about it 20 rules for money okay another word

01:31:17.060 and i'm kind of going through this thing as an entrepreneur as a whatever so you know uh seven

01:31:23.300 keys to success as a parent as an entrepreneur as a journalist as a doctor as a student as a whatever at the

01:31:31.060 end of the title okay so that end of the title triggers back as a student i'm a student boom

01:31:37.540 that audience it's an evergreen title pp keep coming back and watching it right these are words

01:31:41.860 you know what's one of the most powerful words uh that we would put on titles absolutely crush it

01:31:47.140 mistakes yeah 10 mistakes i made okay so now running an insurance company anytime you and i would go up

01:31:58.580 and we would only talk about the things we did right one of the worst speeches you give of course

01:32:03.140 nobody feels they can do it so what i would do is sometimes i would get my best guys and some guys

01:32:08.500 that have gone through some stuff and let's just say their ego is not allowing it and i'm picking the

01:32:12.660 topics for my guys and all our guys already know what this is all about i would say uh you have 20

01:32:18.260 minutes at mgm grand arena i want you to talk about uh the 10 biggest mistakes you made in your career

01:32:23.380 and they knew that would give me the smirk oh shit i'm going through it right so then we'd go

01:32:29.060 to the event and then there's ways you spin mistakes while the mistakes i made is trusting

01:32:35.620 people too much and it's always like caring too much i don't know if you care like too good a person

01:32:40.340 the mistake is always on the other person like oh you know diddy's apology hey i i i i i i never

01:32:47.860 mentioned cassie never did right but but i think it's disgusting to watch that it's disgusting to

01:32:54.020 watch that but one of the most attractive qualities of a human being there's a lot of

01:33:00.180 qualities you're looking like i just don't like that guy man i want to like you i can't like you

01:33:05.060 yeah you're annoying one of the most attractive qualities of a human being is self-deprecation

01:33:10.100 of course when you can sit there and self-deprecate laugh at yourself make fun of yourself

01:33:14.580 the audience is like what but why is that so appealing think it through because none of us walk

01:33:19.700 on the water we all make mistakes we're all it telegraph strength yeah that's what strong people

01:33:24.180 do who refuses to apologize who refuses to admit fault who refuses to be admit being human making

01:33:29.860 a mistake people who are so fragile they can't admit it weak people hide their weaknesses strong

01:33:37.060 people are happy to admit them because they're transparent they've got nothing to hide that's a sign

01:33:43.380 of strength it's the surest sign of strength in fact it's the only sign of strength so not apologizing

01:33:50.100 diminishes you dramatically you're fearful that's why you can't apologize right yeah but he's got it

01:33:57.300 you know again i'm not talking about chris specifically who i again i really like and and i will say just

01:34:03.380 just to be very clear again if he can't fully apologize for the things he said that were demonstrably

01:34:12.020 wrong because he doesn't want to dishonor the memory of his father right or alienate his brother

01:34:17.460 i respect that i do yeah it's worth wrecking your career to remain loyal to your family you you know

01:34:24.740 you know what i learned we're on the same page there here's what i learned whoever you speak to the last

01:34:31.940 three people you speak to before you go to sleep have the most influence over you the last three people

01:34:36.580 you speak to before you go to sleep what if it's a dog well that's good influence then yeah one of

01:34:42.180 mine is one of mine is a is a very intimidating massive uh i don't know if you're into big dogs i

01:34:48.100 have a 15 pound shih tzu extremely intimidating but uh this guy loves me and he makes me feel very

01:34:53.380 confident by the way that's what matters he believes in me yes and that's where i get my love

01:34:57.220 no matter how embarrassing the dog as long as he's amazing that's my number one therapist for 15 years but

01:35:02.180 so you know when you look at the last three people you speak to i can't take inventory of that but

01:35:07.300 what are you talking what do you think what do you think sometimes you want to go through somebody and

01:35:12.660 ask what do you think maybe it's your wife maybe it's your brother maybe it's a former mentor maybe

01:35:17.060 it's a father maybe whoever your what do you think community is is the reason why you're making the

01:35:23.700 decision the way that you are that's for sure the better the what do you think community you have

01:35:27.700 the better way you handle conflicts i don't know that what do you think community is for chris

01:35:33.300 that's a really smart point what's your relationship with him now you're in a business

01:35:36.900 relationship right very uh we're doing a debate next uh dave smith called him out and i know you're

01:35:43.780 a dave guy i like dave a lot dave's a talent yeah i love dave yeah dave's a uh i think he's a he's a

01:35:48.980 star that can be a superstar in the right environment that guy has what it takes to really strive um

01:35:54.500 um anybody that gets a chance to sign him they should and if he kind of signs with somebody long

01:35:59.700 term five years he finds a way should he be a comedian or a political commentator i i i think

01:36:05.860 he cares about policies more than comedy i think uh um you know he likes comedy i think that's his

01:36:13.540 creative side but he has a serious side that he needs to find a way to tap into it i don't know what

01:36:20.020 his vision is he knows what he wants to do with his life but dave and chris will be having a friday

01:36:25.140 night debate at our comedy club cigar lounge in fort lauderdale may 31st 6 to 9 p.m live audience

01:36:32.420 who's gonna win

01:36:35.380 whoever is straight up and doesn't play politics it's asymmetrical though because chris has um and i

01:36:42.500 like him both but first of all dave is a formidable debate opponent yeah fantastic for real yeah and

01:36:50.020 very smart as a debater i can say that guy is good and but second dave can say whatever he wants you

01:36:55.620 know he's not you know what i mean he's already made his break with that's right you know family

01:37:00.500 members who disagree with him or whatever but he's totally unencumbered and chris is from a very famous

01:37:06.420 family brother and dad who were governor of the state of new york it's like it's hard i can tell you

01:37:11.060 every day i visualize people calling them telling them not to do it every single day every day

01:37:21.700 someone's telling them don't do the podcast in their own creative way and i said this when i announced

01:37:26.180 it okay so when it happens the side of the establishment that doesn't want all this the

01:37:33.300 cdc guy comes out and you saw what he said hey did you guys do any kind of gain of function

01:37:37.060 you know uh uh rand paul is asking uh uh uh uh fauci 2021 no we didn't do any there was no such thing

01:37:46.180 of gain of fun and then there's the new guy the cdc guy that i don't know if you saw this or not this

01:37:51.460 was is there any such a well in the general you know way of looking at this yes there was gain of

01:37:58.580 function no no it's not general or not was there or was there not yes there were you think that

01:38:03.140 community wants more eyeballs going to this no so why is no one in prison i mean if you're doing gain

01:38:08.660 of function research in other words if you're trying to make dangerous viruses more infectious

01:38:13.460 and more dangerous in a world with a demonstrated history of lab leaks you know thank you lyme

01:38:19.940 disease and and all the rest that we know covid have come from labs like you're you're gambling with

01:38:27.140 the lives of millions of people like why should you be allowed to do that if they're trying to put

01:38:30.980 trump in prison for the rest of his life on a documents charge you brought home documents that

01:38:34.180 are technically classified but the guys doing gain of function research are walking free like

01:38:39.220 what how bad do you want to know to investigate those people investigate i mean i think we know

01:38:44.340 oh but but but the point is to hold them accountable to it right how bad it's just absolutely crazy

01:38:48.660 we're mad at you know guys with nose rings protesting outside columbia i mean whatever i'm not on their

01:38:54.100 side but like who cares actually but the point the reason why i'm asking you the question is the point

01:38:58.340 why i'm asking this question is in order for that to happen if the establishment from the left or the

01:39:04.580 right is an office you will never find out ever find out this is why we need more guys from the

01:39:12.500 anti-establishment side to say i'm really curious to the point where i'm going to go in there and find

01:39:17.140 well how would you assess bobby kennedy what's your i think bobby kennedy is a form of anti-establishment

01:39:25.380 and if i'm able to give people a score of reason okay and a true believer so meaning can this guy

01:39:32.820 truly reason so you got family pride and stuff that's you know part of your legacy and he's got

01:39:38.260 what the most powerful last name on the left i think that's way ahead of cuomo's it's kennedy there

01:39:43.300 is no level of kennedy right okay cream of the crop at that level so what's the score for being able to

01:39:49.540 reason i think it's pretty high i give him a high score for reasoning uh on the the the podcast that

01:39:56.740 we did together was like a town hall people are asking questions i asked him i said so what do you

01:40:00.660 stand with you know puberty blockers and transgender and all this i said honestly i haven't done enough

01:40:04.420 research to uh before or against us but i said bobby you can't say that because it's not true and but

01:40:11.060 by the way you know what he said though if you posted the video which went viral this two weeks ago

01:40:15.380 people were sharing it all over the place on twitter on the bottom he said he changed his

01:40:19.140 position on this four months ago and no longer supports it great guess what that's a form of

01:40:25.940 progress reason you're making that you could say i was wrong here's where i stand with this now okay

01:40:32.100 all right no problem vaccine i'm sure you read the fauci book he wrote an absolute masterpiece of a

01:40:39.220 book he writes okay so he's got the covet community the vaccine community that didn't want to be forced to

01:40:44.980 take it who doesn't who don't like fauci he's got that side um i put him as an anti-establishment

01:40:51.460 but i still think he's got a lot of stuff that's on the left as a democrat even though he's an

01:40:55.140 independent but i think he's a necessary voice i do think he's going to get in the way though

01:40:59.540 of trump so the trump people i i was talking to someone in his orbit several months ago and my

01:41:06.980 instinct was exactly what you just said if you're against the status quo you know you're by definition

01:41:13.380 not voting for joe biden so kennedy takes in other words there's nobody who's choosing between

01:41:18.580 joe biden and bobby kennedy it's just that person doesn't exist and so by definition it's going to

01:41:23.700 take from trump and the response i got was oh he was really liberal on this that and the other thing

01:41:27.220 or israeli liberal and okay but big picture it seemed obvious to me he was going to hurt trump

01:41:33.300 there's no question about it right there's no question so so the part which is kind of weird

01:41:38.180 is when biden's camp doesn't want to give him protection doesn't want to put him on the stage

01:41:44.660 i again this goes back to me wondering either you have something up your sleeves or you really think

01:41:52.740 you have such an october surprise that you're going to leak to the world that bobby's going to step out

01:41:58.580 like the way they did with herman cain nine nine nine oh i'm gonna have to pause my campaign so maybe

01:42:05.380 there is something that you and i don't know about what's going to come out the guy's been on for a

01:42:08.820 long time 69 70 year old guy family girls good looking accolades background what are they hanging

01:42:14.740 on to that they're not leaking yet i don't know so why are they not afraid of the guy and why are they

01:42:19.780 these are all things that i wonder on what the left has the establishment has that they know they're

01:42:26.020 gonna maybe they're just dumb they're dumber than we think i think they're more deceptive than you

01:42:30.260 think well they're definitely more deceptive i think they're maybe they believe their own

01:42:33.860 bullshit i mean that you know the peril of huffing your own fumes like convincing yourself that

01:42:38.820 kamala harris is like impressive or something or that biden's not senile like i think people are

01:42:44.180 capable i think that's what it is though you think it's more like it's an easier person to control i

01:42:47.700 mean if you look at people who raise money right if you go do a case study of people that ran for

01:42:53.060 who are our top four non-establishment candidates of the last 70 years okay kennedy

01:43:00.180 uh partially reagan trump and then who else you got that's not an establishment last

01:43:06.980 russ pro okay ross pro that's right ross pro got to what 19 points uh reagan i think 9.6 percent of

01:43:14.500 the funding for him running for office was his own money i think it was that number hillary clinton

01:43:19.380 100 donor funded uh biden uh pretty much 100 percent uh uh john f kennedy's father joseph i think put 40 or

01:43:26.580 50 percent of it trump we know how much of it was her is his in 2016 obama needed other people's

01:43:31.940 everybody needed other people's money so whoever that needs other people's money is controlled by

01:43:38.340 the other people which is the ideal candidate so kamala for me for them is like that is the ideal

01:43:44.500 person for them because they can control and say hey check mark for the rest of your life your

01:43:49.220 wikipedia is going to say vice president congratulations to you legacy cemented we'll make a documentary for

01:43:55.540 you give you a medal of honor you're good to go amazing go make some documentaries and go

01:44:00.980 to you know whatever the shows are on and you're going to be famous good for you right that's gone

01:44:06.660 uh but to me a part of it you know when they're looking at kamalas or biden that's their favorite

01:44:10.820 types of candidates they don't like rfks are you kidding but she's not i mean i think it's fair to say

01:44:15.620 she's not electable on her own no she's not

01:44:25.300 so if you had to get her out of the way biden obviously incapacitated by mental decline

01:44:30.820 kamala repugnant uh as a person how do you fix that for this or 2028 for for this there's only one

01:44:39.220 person you can do with only one person who it's only michelle there's nobody else you can do with let's

01:44:43.940 play it out okay let's play it out you don't think she's more disgusting no to the left she is the

01:44:49.060 number one uh person on the leaders bulletin she's the number one draft pick for the left maybe even

01:44:54.820 ahead of newsome michelle but let me again my opinion i could be wrong i'm just giving you my

01:44:59.460 pov on this so okay so let's play uh you get rid of uh you get rid of uh um kamala and you put in

01:45:07.700 newsome which they would love to have newsome as a vp and then you transition out well biden's

01:45:11.300 gonna be stepping down june of 2025 newsome's now the president what an easy way of getting

01:45:17.140 newsome elected the easiest way of getting newsome elected is bring him in but okay you announce

01:45:22.260 kamala is stepping down great what ammunition do you give to the greatest troll of all time on the

01:45:27.700 other side to call you racist it's done what's trump gonna do if you get rid of kamala and put

01:45:33.140 newsome in look what they did all they talk about is female power and blacks and all this stuff

01:45:38.420 they put her back on the bus and they replace her with newsome shame on the democrats they're

01:45:43.300 the most racist i mean don't you can't you already see it easy playbook form right so but if they bring

01:45:49.860 in instead of kamala uh kamala comes in and there's not enough time for a supreme court justice type of

01:45:59.380 a position but say kamala comes in behind closed doors say kamala you come out and you say something's

01:46:06.740 going on with the family some happen i don't think she has a family does she cancer scare whatever

01:46:13.140 something's going on cancer scares the easiest one okay because cancer everyone's going like oh my god

01:46:18.420 you know and hey god willing we were able to avoid a chemotherapy and she didn't have to go through it

01:46:23.780 and this is so thank you for all your prayers that none of this stuff happened and and you know

01:46:28.820 they came to me and we were talking and as a collective i think newsome is the most qualified

01:46:33.540 that's going to be problematic but if you bring michelle in that's easy it's a very easy fit to

01:46:38.740 bring her in the question then becomes does michelle want to be a vp is her ego a vp person does she want

01:46:43.300 to come out of the life guys intercede for one sec so she's never had a real job in her life she's

01:46:50.740 sorry this is michelle yeah michelle okay um she's like has nothing in common with any american

01:46:58.580 um she's nasty she's a hater clearly she's utterly ungrateful for every special advantage

01:47:07.380 she's been given her entirely she went to princeton on a free ride and she's mad at princeton really

01:47:11.540 i mean everything about her is like mediocre mean dumb and not a single achievement in her entire life

01:47:19.700 other than marrying this guy in a fake marriage so like on what grounds could that person run the

01:47:26.260 country don't don't be naive tucker you're talking about you're being super naive are you kidding me

01:47:32.020 do you know which one of these political figures sold 36 million copies of her book

01:47:38.500 one person book about what it doesn't matter more whining from a rich lady 36 million people bought

01:47:44.900 her book bro that do you realize like the amount of influence this this let's just pause and consider

01:47:51.860 that decision you're walking through barnes and noble or walmart yeah and you see michelle obama's

01:47:56.740 book for sale yep what causes you to buy something like that you're talking from your perspective any

01:48:03.620 person like this is a book that she not only didn't write but probably hasn't read

01:48:08.100 like why would you buy something and then you have michelle obama's name like in your house

01:48:12.500 yeah like what signal are you sending like what could possibly compel you to do something like that

01:48:18.020 you can say all that you want no but it's true like what is that but that's not the point the

01:48:22.820 point is she is a rock star for the left she is a rock star for the left she'll be edified and glorified

01:48:30.580 by everybody they love anything that's ugly and and bad and mediocre don't they have different tastes

01:48:37.380 man no but that's not even a taste it's like look you could say of al sharpton who i you know

01:48:42.180 vehemently disagree with but they're you know like al sharpton's a self-created person actually and al

01:48:47.220 sharpton's pretty smart and you know something's got a lot of things about al sharpton that are bad

01:48:51.940 for sure but at least al sharpton's like kind of lived a life michelle obama same with trump

01:48:58.100 maybe you hate trump okay you think he's vulgar you think it was but you know he's like a self-created

01:49:02.180 guy number one tv show in the country like michelle obama has literally done nothing except whine about

01:49:08.260 the white man for 60 years like what that's not a qualification you're making you're assuming that

01:49:14.340 doing anything is a qualification to run on the left i know but i'm just saying like they zero in

01:49:20.740 on the most repulsive images and people it's like they're a they're kind of an x-ray sort of a reverse

01:49:28.420 image of everything that's beautiful and dignified and virtuous if she runs you have no idea how

01:49:34.580 formidable she would be but it's like the uglier something is the more they love it well maybe that

01:49:39.620 is again maybe physically and spiritually let me ask you a question who who is more formidable her or

01:49:44.900 joe biden i mean i i probably michelle i would think and then the other question becomes for you

01:49:52.500 as it's also but then you wonder is there like a bottom to white guilt because michelle obama's

01:49:57.140 fake husband got him elected because white white people got him elected that wasn't black people didn't

01:50:02.260 do that yeah is that kind of played out like you're electing we're gonna say that a woman who

01:50:08.500 lives in hawaii compounds in hawaii and martha's vineyard is somehow like it's a victory for civil

01:50:14.340 rights or something like what what would be the rationale like are we at the end of that cycle

01:50:18.900 where people have to vote for someone like that so try to the devil's advocate yeah let's play devil's

01:50:23.940 advocate you're on the left yeah okay who are your top five candidates most qualified that you can help as

01:50:30.980 the establishment you get everybody behind this person who's your top five draft pick on the left

01:50:35.380 to be a president but jimmy door that would never happen on the left are you kidding me you're so

01:50:42.820 like the actual left i'd vote for jimmy door jimmy door's a stud he's phenomenal at what he does

01:50:47.220 honest man well to think about you're them you are them you're in the room with them who's their top

01:50:51.380 five i mean i guess i would i i don't know who's like mentally retarded and transgender i guess that's

01:50:58.820 that's that's sort you know but i'm just like that's how they think like so you would what's

01:51:02.340 the most repulsive thing we can do what's what's the opposite of what's the farthest from the actual

01:51:07.780 truth who's the least competent you know what's the ugliest building we can build what's the

01:51:12.020 most putrid painting we can create and call it art you wouldn't say newsome number one michelle two

01:51:17.380 you wouldn't go to some of those you wouldn't go you know gretchen you wouldn't put that as a top

01:51:22.580 five that's their profile of candidates that's like those people are jokes i mean it's not about

01:51:28.500 being a joke it's about who they can control and get the job done through them so so what's the job

01:51:33.860 well are you kidding me establish certain controls that nobody can touch just steal

01:51:40.260 shit just steal shit sure that's basically what it is like let the stealing proceed well i mean

01:51:45.460 without getting caught and you create the law i mean if you create the law you're protecting yourself

01:51:49.300 i mean that's oh i've noticed yeah so are you by the way are you following closely what's going on

01:51:53.300 with iran with raisi did you well i mean to the extent you can know yeah i mean i've certainly

01:51:57.540 followed yeah are you are you seeing like uh uh just just another just another aircraft crash

01:52:02.900 just kind of tragic accident it happens all the time to presidents of different countries it seems

01:52:07.060 to what do you think it is what do you think it is behind i have some thoughts but what do you think

01:52:10.340 it is i mean it's you know it's either um an internal power struggle um we talked about this last

01:52:16.580 night and um within iran or it's the us or israel or a combination of of those two i mean that those are

01:52:24.660 the obvious suspects i don't i don't know the answer so do you know who much tapah khamenei is

01:52:30.020 sort of yeah we talked about last night so he's the second oldest son of the supreme leader yes do

01:52:36.820 you know what his net worth is his just the son's hundreds of millions i would think three billion

01:52:40.740 dollars three billion type it in you'll see it it's three billion dollars now this is reports that are

01:52:44.740 coming in what he's worth now how is he worth three billion dollars because he started twitter

01:52:48.580 well because he's of course he's just an energetic innovative man unbelievable entrepreneur very

01:52:53.860 innovative he created the facebook of iran right but so this guy is in the running to be the next supreme

01:53:02.820 leader of iran there's two candidates there is ebrahim raisi and there is khamenei's son now khamenei's

01:53:13.460 family has been estimated to have a net worth of roughly 200 billion dollars khamenei's family

01:53:20.020 how they accumulated that who knows some of the most innovative people in the world apparently to

01:53:24.340 get to 200 billion dollars innovatively stealing money from taxpayers innovatively getting money

01:53:30.100 from different places but regardless it's innovative on what they've done right

01:53:34.100 why would this family ultimate nepotism why would they want raisi to become the supreme fair fair so

01:53:40.660 you have to give a little bit of credibility i do because in the past raf sanjani which we kind

01:53:45.540 of talked about last night raf sanjani was a guy that died at 82 years old as the president

01:53:52.500 and well he died from a heart attack that's not what his family believes on what happened to him so

01:53:58.660 there is it's very easy for us right off the bat to say oh it's israel oh it's us oh you know what if

01:54:04.180 us wouldn't put the sanctions on us we would have better helicopters where this wouldn't happen

01:54:08.340 whatever city was in tabernis so but but iran going through that with some of their power plays

01:54:15.140 they're going to be going through today with khamenei it's going to be interesting to see

01:54:18.740 i mean assassinating what you know a sovereign state assassinating the leader of another sovereign state

01:54:24.020 not a good precedent to set not a good idea almost no matter who it is we didn't try to we didn't

01:54:27.700 assassinate hitler we didn't assassinate stalin we didn't assassinate mao i mean there's there's a

01:54:31.700 reason that you probably don't want to get into the assassinations game because you don't know where it's

01:54:34.820 going to wind up and it's uh it's reckless super reckless behavior so i like to believe i want to

01:54:41.940 believe what you just said that does sound like a absolute possibility and i don't want to believe

01:54:48.020 that states are knocking off one another's leaders because you know again you don't know where that

01:54:55.220 winds up like maybe maybe there should be a kind of informal agreement not to assassinate each other

01:55:01.620 oh and and yeah for sure and not to do it internally but again you go back and well

01:55:06.100 internally is a totally different game this this could be a game of ambition of who wants to control

01:55:12.340 the iran's the resources for many many years to come and this the this guy was only 63 years old oh

01:55:18.740 yeah when he passed away this is not a six other guys too right so uh would does the u.s wind up in a

01:55:25.220 war with iran it's looking like it it does look like it looks like it that we're about to go there

01:55:29.940 what do you think of that um i'm not as worried about it with iran uh uh for a couple different

01:55:38.340 reasons iran now here's the thing i'll give you both uh uh sides of it the part that i'm not worried

01:55:44.820 about it iran's always been when when trump took out ghassam soleimani uh who was the number two guy

01:55:50.660 at the time this is the guy that was leading pretty much all the proxy war proxy wars and all the proxy

01:55:54.740 military hezbollah houthi this is a very very legit power player soleimani so you take him out and you

01:56:01.540 say i took him out i did it my name is trump i took him out in your face right there's no way we're

01:56:09.220 gonna let trump and america get away with it watch what we're gonna be doing they intentionally you know

01:56:14.580 threw some missiles in an area where there was no soldiers so nothing happened but then they're like

01:56:19.300 look at us we showed strength no you really didn't now what's changed from soleimani till today

01:56:25.540 a lot a lot the world has changed 25 year 400 billion dollar contract from us's number one you

01:56:33.220 know enemy called china it's during the same time russia had an okay relationship with us now we are in a

01:56:42.260 proxy war with russia through ukraine that we're funding left and right we're in a direct war i

01:56:48.580 mean they're u.s military personnel fighting russia from ukraine well i you know i i want to be a little

01:56:53.860 bit more diplomatic diplomatic well it's just so i don't think the average person understands just how

01:56:58.420 crazy this has gotten on how deep we are there right okay so so then russia is going to side with

01:57:04.340 who with us or iran their neighbor caspian sea that's who are they going to side with so so this is

01:57:10.020 the part where you're kind of like you know so so iran is no longer iran iran is essentially one of

01:57:16.820 the eyes in bricks exactly okay india iran so yeah i don't know so so going up going up remember the

01:57:24.740 story i told you about that it escalates from regional conflict to world war conceivably very

01:57:29.380 fast i think we're already in world war just like nobody wants to say it we were already in a recession

01:57:33.700 a year and a half how unnecessary is all this how insane is all this how does this help my family my

01:57:39.300 country doesn't help your family your country but you have to go back to who the customer is

01:57:43.380 in order for the military contractors to make money they need wars in order for many of these other

01:57:50.580 business models to make money they need crisis in order for a vanguard or a blackrock to get a 400

01:58:00.500 billion i think it's vanguard but i do know it's blackrock to get a 400 billion dollar contract

01:58:05.780 to rebuild ukraine you need ukraine to be destroyed to rebuild it if ukraine isn't destroyed you don't

01:58:11.620 need to rebuild these are all great business models for these folks so but you know how it ends

01:58:18.820 i mean it ends with the destruction of everything that's worth having actually only if they keep the

01:58:26.420 power only if they keep the power they can't foresee the future these are not people with fine motor skills

01:58:33.300 like they overstate their own power and foresight and once you get into something like this you have

01:58:39.540 no idea where it ends you have no idea things can go sideways so fast you can't control events you

01:58:46.180 think you can you can't that's true in your family and it's true geopolitically and so like you think

01:58:53.940 you've got it all fine-tuned it's like some rube goldberg thing and then this happens that happens and

01:58:58.180 what we're gonna do is we're gonna kick russia out of swift and actually that will cause internal

01:59:02.740 revolt within russia and they'll depose putin and it's like you can't game this stuff out there too

01:59:09.060 many variables and you could easily wind up in a nuclear exchange their insurance policy is you think

01:59:14.100 they sit down i have no idea i hope they have submarines because i i don't know how like i think

01:59:19.380 they're actually destroying the country that they live in that's what i think and that's why i think

01:59:24.900 it's supernatural it's psychotic to me well it is psychotic but in their minds they're protected

01:59:31.780 in their minds they're protected in their minds but their wealth yeah in their minds

01:59:37.140 people are so stupid money worshipers are so stupid oh my wealth will protect me okay

01:59:42.660 yeah how many people have thought that a lot jeffrey epstein thought that yeah everybody thinks

01:59:47.860 that yeah that's the lie of wealth it's gonna protect you diddy's like oh they're not gonna do

01:59:51.220 anything to me and watch what's gonna happen to diddy next did you see his apology

01:59:54.420 i haven't been following the did well they show the video of of of i know you probably obviously

01:59:59.860 probably listen to a lot of hip-hop you give me the vibes of it but i do yeah so diddy yeah i can

02:00:04.260 totally see it so diddy uh is uh the video comes out of him beating cassie his ex-girlfriend that

02:00:12.260 within 24 hours they settle for 30 million dollars and that story was gone like a year ago or something

02:00:16.900 like that so finally the video comes out from 2016 this video he's hitting her in the head pulling her

02:00:23.220 hair dragging the middle of the hotel who beats women like i don't want to be racist or anything

02:00:28.420 but like you're not supposed to beat women right yeah well you know diddy a few years ago was

02:00:34.100 commenting on chris brown and rihanna's controversy on ellen degeneres and he says you know let's just

02:00:38.740 pray for them because we don't know what they're going through let's pray for them before we assume

02:00:42.260 what they're going through let's just pray for them so maybe that's what he's going through right

02:00:45.780 now and then they leaked the video so all these guys who grew up with single mothers and are

02:00:49.220 really mad at women sorry yeah have you seen the numbers of how we went from single mothers in 1960

02:00:55.540 to today the matriarchy leads to wife beating i'm just telling you that a man with a strong

02:01:02.180 father does not beat women for sure you can't beat women you don't send them off to fight your wars

02:01:05.700 you don't beat them up um you treat them with respect that's the man who grew up in a household

02:01:11.060 with a strong father the man who grew up in a household with a mom you know loving but also arbitrary

02:01:17.540 and um flaky that guy hates women he becomes a womanizer not in a fun way in a bad way abusive

02:01:26.980 exploits women and then he beats them up and that is there's a direct connection you're not going to

02:01:32.100 find many wife beaters who grew up with a strong dad at home but you'll find a ton who grew up with

02:01:37.060 mom so that it's one of the many ironies uh that we don't acknowledge but we should acknowledge it if you

02:01:43.380 care about you know preventing violence against women encourage two parent families with like real

02:01:48.820 dads like don't fight the patriarchy embrace the patriarchy and you get less wife beating so you can

02:01:55.300 so by the way am i right i'm just taking a check with your wife for sure yeah so by the way when you

02:02:00.580 process it that way that goes back to me thinking we need to change incentives because in 1960 only four

02:02:07.860 percent of kids were born to a unwed mother like a single mother today it's 41 from 4 to 41 that's

02:02:16.100 not liberation you don't think oh you kidding me that's catastrophic yeah that's problematic but

02:02:21.540 that's what fighting the patriarchy looks like right beating up women and mugging them on the street

02:02:26.260 sending them off to fight your stupid wars yeah but listen they're not selling family values they're

02:02:31.620 not selling having kids they're not selling the the value of raising the kid they're not selling the

02:02:36.100 incentive program is created to be divorced to stay single to keep having kids to stay on welfare the

02:02:43.220 incentive program is created for me to stay entitled for my my entire life relying on some kind of a

02:02:48.980 welfare and by the way you know both you and i have four kids right we're talking about it last

02:02:53.140 time yeah four kids i got four kids crazy no wish i had eight but yeah i wish i had 20. yeah me too

02:02:59.300 revisit the polygamy thing yeah well we can again new if we have new policies we can potentially consider

02:03:04.900 that right okay i tell my wife i i'd keep her pregnant she'd have a three month break every

02:03:09.780 year and we'd be pregnant for 20 years she'd be pregnant it sounds like fun but can you imagine

02:03:14.180 going to dinner yeah we'd like to make a reservation for dinner tonight how big's your party party of

02:03:17.940 24. i'd love that i'd love that you sit at the end the patriarch all the little pups lining down

02:03:24.340 on the other side you're assuming they don't have girlfriends and boyfriends so maybe it's like party of 40.

02:03:28.100 yeah hey let's just shut down the restaurant i want to be a bedouin tribal leader

02:03:34.820 hitting the hubly bubbly in my tent oh sorry check this out watch this crazy data yeah crazy

02:03:41.860 data you ready so in 1960 every year 4.3 million kids are born in 1960

02:03:51.460 every year in 1960 1.7 million people roughly die every year 4.3 born 1.7 die it's a net positive

02:04:07.140 of 2.6 million yes you're with me so far 1960 1960 then you murder a president that's right four years

02:04:14.900 later so come to today that number number of kids being born roughly a number of p number of kids

02:04:23.460 being born 3.2 3.3 million number of people dying 2.7 2.8 million we went from 2.6 million more people

02:04:33.460 being born than dying to only 500 000 more people being born than dying fertility rate lowest ever in

02:04:43.540 america 1.6 uh we have there's this new trend i don't know if you've considered joining it or not

02:04:51.060 uh it is a little rebellious if you're thinking about it this community called the lgbtq community

02:04:57.220 they attract rebellious people you get to do whatever you wanted you get to cut things off

02:05:00.580 it's actually very interesting what's happening with it it's a new hot thing i don't know if you're

02:05:03.780 following it sounds like fun obviously that's going to prevent from having kids because if you cut

02:05:07.620 your dangling off it's hard to have kids but i'm sure that's not part of the plan or anything no

02:05:10.980 they would never do such a thing it's a noble thing so but you look at this to me there's a lot

02:05:15.220 of numbers we can look at that's concerning 2.6 more kids being born million kids then to 500 000 now

02:05:21.460 and we're having fewer kids we're not endorsing marriage family all the incentive program is not for

02:05:25.780 that how much longer until we're sitting here and these folks are living longer and we're not

02:05:33.460 having enough of replacement how much longer i mean you saw china hit the one child policy 1.1 you know

02:05:38.660 at the bottom of the list right now i think it's south korea at 0.83 we're at 1.61 well they what i

02:05:44.260 mean the obvious solution if you're south korea or china is just invite haiti to move in why aren't

02:05:49.060 they doing that that's the noble thing to do and there's no it's it's absolutely necessary i mean

02:05:54.180 who's gonna who's gonna watch over your elders in the long-term memory care yeah they they need a

02:05:59.780 guy are you following the jimmy story with barbecue the guy named barbecue and of course in haiti yeah

02:06:05.060 yeah it yeah where do you want to be in 10 years i think uh i'm not born here so i can't run for

02:06:14.260 president that's out yeah okay uh i have certain set of values and principles that i'm not compromising

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02:06:45.620 question of course what does that mean to consult so you come in you're trying to raise capital you

02:06:52.340 need help putting a pitch deck together we can help you with that yes you're in a place where your

02:06:57.220 marketing campaign isn't working you want to help us put a better create a marketing campaign for you

02:07:01.460 we'll help you with that your comp plan to pay your employees you don't know how to set up a

02:07:06.900 proper variable comp or structure the equity or profit sharing in your sales guys you're considering

02:07:11.380 your compass flat and you need to kind of find a way to improve it we'll help you with that you want

02:07:16.020 to expand into a different marketplace we'll help you with that you want to find a c-suite executive and

02:07:19.620 you don't know what's the right way to interview and what qualities to look for or what job description to

02:07:23.860 put we'll help you with that these are things that we're going to focus on the small business owner

02:07:29.460 side because that's a language that we speak comfortably i hosted last year i held an event

02:07:35.220 called the vault conference tom brady was at the event we're holding this one this year at

02:07:38.580 palm beach convention center we're expecting nearly 10 000 people to be there for three and

02:07:42.340 a half days we talk purely business strategy growth all of that right so the consulting firm

02:07:47.140 is a big part of our pillar of what we're going to be doing product development on

02:07:51.060 menecht with the menecht app i don't know if you heard about the menecht yeah it's grown

02:07:54.900 exponentially quarter to quarter we're up 780 the whole thing with menecht is eight years ago i call

02:08:00.580 a lawyer i have a seven minute call with him he bills me for 30 minutes i call him i say why are

02:08:05.460 you building me for 30 minutes i have the number here he had a seven minute call he says minutes roll

02:08:10.260 up i said not to 30 minutes maybe to 10 minutes he says no it's 30 minutes i said what do you charge

02:08:15.780 by the minute he says no lawyer charges by the minute i said one day i'm going to create a website or an

02:08:20.100 app that i get to pay people by the minute so do you have a minute to connect let's menecht so

02:08:27.540 whereas most places you email somebody and the response rate a cold email is one percent less

02:08:33.540 than one percent that someone's gonna like somebody even cold respond hey tucker i'd love to talk to

02:08:37.380 you about a job what's the chances you're getting back to that person an email probably slim to none

02:08:41.300 right i don't do email so yeah pretty low right on instagram it's three percent response rate on

02:08:47.140 twitter it's five on linkedin it's eight percent on menecht you're paying to get a respond back

02:08:52.740 so you're paying a person fifty dollars a hundred dollars three hundred dollars five hundred dollars

02:08:57.380 and they respond back to because you're respecting their time our response rate right now is 94

02:09:04.020 they get back to you and over 50 percent of the time they get back to within 24 hours

02:09:08.500 so we have the consulting we have the product development we have the media side on the media side

02:09:13.780 uh i think the media landscape right now is wide open uh it's filled with a lot of talented people

02:09:22.100 some that are driven by money some that are driven by fame a few that are driven by values and

02:09:27.220 principles we're driven by values and principles and a vision and it's pure conviction it's not like a

02:09:32.180 you know i need another nice car i need another nice house or i need a lot of you know however much

02:09:37.300 money in the bank no this is we have a real vision a real cause that we're going to go for 40 years

02:09:42.180 and i think at the end of the day 10 20 30 years down the line they're going to look at this thing

02:09:46.100 and say oh wow this is one of the most influential companies in the world that's what we're going to

02:09:49.060 be doing so just i i can't assess the rest though congratulations um but i can sort of assess the

02:09:55.220 media part of just having worked in it and we are at a pivot point for sure all of a sudden you have

02:10:02.420 all these independent voices some of them bigger than the established voices because legacy media is

02:10:09.540 obviously dying but do those independent media figures come together at some point

02:10:17.460 if they did are you kidding me i mean that would be very intimidating if that was to happen

02:10:23.060 if because the market wants everything divided that's what the enemy wants the enemy wants everybody

02:10:29.940 divided they can bully and push around if you're divided because you can't build a household

02:10:35.220 influential thing if you're divided if we can bring everybody together and sister said one of the

02:10:41.940 problems why empires fall is because everybody wants to know who got the most credit i did it no if it

02:10:46.980 wasn't for me and that's the challenge with sometimes people on the conservative side for sure credit

02:10:51.780 right yeah so if some of these guys can unite and work together um the enemy is not going to like that

02:11:00.580 that's going to be very very scary for the enemy uh because they're not used to that they're used to

02:11:06.420 dividing and pinning everybody against everyone it's an easy you know art of war sun tzu it's nothing

02:11:11.540 new divide and conquer easily they do it all the time but if some of these guys can set aside their

02:11:16.340 egos and find a way where each can individually win and collectively win game over it's going to be a

02:11:22.900 fun next 10 20 years patrick pet david thank you very much really enjoyed it i will see you again

02:11:29.940 i look forward to it thank you thanks for listening to tucker carlson show if you enjoyed it you can go

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