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00:00:30.000 Over the past three years, hundreds, maybe thousands of Western journalists

00:00:34.360 have covered the war in Ukraine from Ukraine

00:00:37.260 and effectively been attached to the Ukrainian government

00:00:40.920 and its military and its many propaganda outlets,

00:00:44.620 taking their talking points from Ukrainian government officials,

00:00:48.660 interviewing President Zelensky, always in the most fawning possible way,

00:00:53.680 and effectively carrying water for both the Ukrainian government and NATO

00:00:58.180 and, above all, for the Biden administration.

00:01:01.080 On the other side, in this war that the United States has effectively paid for,

00:01:05.980 there is one Western journalist, one American embedded with Russian troops.

00:01:12.500 His name is Patrick Lancaster.

00:01:14.720 He's from St. Louis, Missouri.

00:01:16.080 He's a U.S. Navy veteran.

00:01:17.740 And for the past 11 years, he's been reporting from the region.

00:01:21.020 For the past three years, he's been reporting from the front lines.

00:01:24.940 He's been interviewed by precisely no other mainstream Western media organizations.

00:01:32.280 And so it raises the question, how can you understand a war you're expected to take sides in

00:01:38.220 and then pay for if you're not hearing the other side?

00:01:43.220 So with that in mind, here's Patrick Lancaster.

00:01:45.800 Patrick Lancaster, thank you so much for joining us.

00:01:48.740 So you're one of the only, maybe the only, American reporter embedded with Russian troops in this war.

00:01:57.960 How long have you been there?

00:02:01.360 Hi, Tucker.

00:02:03.900 It's really an honor to be on here with you to show a little bit to the world about what the mainstream media

00:02:09.740 doesn't want a lot of the people around the world to see.

00:02:12.740 So it's really great, and I appreciate the invitation.

00:02:18.460 I have been covering this conflict, this war, for a lot longer than many people understand that it's going on.

00:02:28.560 As you know, this didn't start three years ago.

00:02:32.080 It started in 2014.

00:02:34.040 Some say even before.

00:02:35.100 But for all intents and purposes, we could say 2014, when the war started, following the events in Crimea,

00:02:46.180 where Crimea joins or rejoins Russia, because there was a referendum.

00:02:53.840 I was, that's where I first started reporting on the situation between Russia and Ukraine.

00:03:00.320 I went to Crimea for the referendum where the Crimean people voted to break away from Ukraine

00:03:08.280 and join Russia or rejoin Russia, because before 1956, Crimea was part of Russia.

00:03:14.380 So if you think about this, the people that were born before that year were born in Russia.

00:03:20.680 So there's people living that were born in Russia that were literally so happy to be joining Russia again,

00:03:28.660 going home, as the people on the streets told me when I was there.

00:03:32.260 And I've been there almost every year reporting since then as well.

00:03:35.560 But that's what really triggered my interest and intensity in reporting on the situation between Ukraine and Russia.

00:03:44.660 Because when I went from Europe to Crimea and saw the huge difference of what was being reported

00:03:51.860 in the Western mainstream media about the real situation in Crimea, we were hearing in the West how Russia forces were going to be making people vote

00:04:01.140 to break away from Ukraine and join Russia.

00:04:04.400 And I saw just the total opposite.

00:04:06.460 People just crying out of happiness to have the chance to rejoin Russia.

00:04:10.660 And those are the real facts.

00:04:11.760 And anyone that has been to Crimea knows that.

00:04:15.640 And anyone that says something besides that is just not telling the truth and trying to hide the truth.

00:04:24.340 And unfortunately, after the events in Crimea, where they joined the northern regions of Donetsk and Lugansk,

00:04:35.360 ended up becoming part of what you could say a civil war,

00:04:39.320 where they as well had a referendum to break away from Ukraine.

00:04:43.440 And that preceded the eight-year war, eight-year civil war,

00:04:48.400 where after the vote, the republics that they called themselves Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics

00:05:00.600 started to make their own governments, make their own militaries.

00:05:05.600 And they were attacked after this referendum by Ukraine.

00:05:11.220 And I spent eight years covering the situation in the Donetsk and Lugansk areas,

00:05:20.900 just documenting my part of the puzzle or the pie that wasn't being shown in the Western mainstream media.

00:05:27.960 Because what I was showing then and now,

00:05:30.620 what Western mainstream media doesn't, it's not convenient for them to show.

00:05:36.240 It doesn't fit their narrative.

00:05:37.260 So I documented what they weren't, the indiscriminate shelling of residential areas by Ukraine,

00:05:44.860 the targeting of civilian areas by Ukraine.

00:05:50.360 I mean, my wife is from Donetsk, and her childhood home was destroyed by Ukrainian shelling,

00:05:55.900 as well as the majority of her childhood neighborhood.

00:05:58.880 So, I mean, these are the facts of the things that happened in the Donetsk and Lugansk territories

00:06:07.220 long before 2022, when Russia came into this war.

00:06:12.000 From 2014 till 2022 is when this civil war took place.

00:06:17.980 And of course, Ukraine and the West claimed Russia had invaded all the way back in 2014.

00:06:23.820 That was the narrative then.

00:06:27.920 But eventually that kind of slowly went away when they realized that this eight-year war wasn't really,

00:06:34.340 there was no regular Russian troops taking a part in that.

00:06:38.320 This was a civil war that was lightly supported by the West, Ukraine supported by the West.

00:06:47.000 Wait, may I ask you a question to clarify something?

00:06:50.420 So you said that your wife's childhood home was destroyed by shelling from the Ukrainian government.

00:06:57.520 Why were they shelling your wife's house?

00:06:59.940 Like, was her family part of the fighting?

00:07:04.200 Why would they do that?

00:07:05.480 Well, they pretty much leveled most of her childhood home or childhood neighborhood where her mother's home was.

00:07:18.660 This neighborhood is just one of the many around Donetsk and the suburbs of Donetsk and specifically around the Donetsk airport.

00:07:27.360 The Donetsk airport was like a symbol of the war back in 2014, 2015, where there was literally so much fighting.

00:07:36.840 There were two terminals.

00:07:39.100 One terminal had the Ukrainian forces in it.

00:07:42.320 One had the anti-Ukraine government forces or rebels or pro-Russian forces, whatever you want to call them.

00:07:50.620 The locals that took up arms to fight to try to break away from Ukraine.

00:07:55.040 And they were fighting.

00:07:57.320 And basically, Ukraine leveled, not completely leveled, but damaged, if not destroyed, the majority of the homes all around this area, around the airport, just with indiscriminate shelling of the areas, the neighborhoods.

00:08:17.920 And just destroying or seriously damaging almost every home.

00:08:22.160 And it just so happened my wife's childhood home was one of those.

00:08:26.840 Thank God her family and her made it out.

00:08:30.500 OK, they were living there when the war started and they made it out.

00:08:36.360 OK, but the house was destroyed.

00:08:39.240 This is just one example of many homes and families that lost everything in the war.

00:08:44.680 You know, I don't remember hearing in the United States at the time that there was a war in Ukraine.

00:08:54.300 I mean, my sense is this was basically ignored completely and that Ukraine at that time was effectively under the control of of the Obama administration.

00:09:07.020 That was my that was my that was my sense.

00:09:12.760 Yeah, a lot of people don't really didn't really understand what was really happening on the ground.

00:09:18.160 But basically, I mean, it goes back to the Maidan revolution or whatever you want to call it.

00:09:28.360 It's all in the eye of the beholder.

00:09:29.760 The locals in the eastern part of Ukraine at that point looked at the Maidan revolution as an illegal coup supported by the West,

00:09:37.300 where ended up with their democratically elected president, Yadikovych removed from office without them having anything to say about it and which effectively made their Ukraine dead

00:09:52.440 and not in existence anymore after a puppet government was put in by the United States in the West.

00:09:59.760 So the people of the Donetsk and Lugansk areas just they said, OK, well, that's not our Ukraine.

00:10:08.060 Ukraine's gone. Some of them were patriots for Ukraine before they just said, OK, we don't have anything to do with that.

00:10:14.420 We're going to have a vote. We're going to vote ourselves what to do with the right of self-determination.

00:10:20.440 And Ukraine in the West did not want to respect the right of determination.

00:10:24.400 And Ukraine basically, in the words of the locals, punished them for them trying to break away from Ukraine.

00:10:34.140 And every local family knew someone or had a member of their family injured or killed in the attacks by Ukrainian forces on the civilian areas of these regions,

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00:13:56.720 So you've been there rotating in and out or living there ever since, all these years.

00:14:02.940 How did things change three years ago when the war began?

00:14:07.040 Well, it was quite an interesting time, as you can imagine.

00:14:16.160 Just days, a couple of days before the, it all started with Russia, and Russia officially came in.

00:14:25.180 Russia officially recognized the Lugansk and Donetsk republics as separate from Ukraine.

00:14:36.680 And the people had celebrations on the streets out of just celebrating the fact that Russia recognized them.

00:14:44.840 And they knew that that meant that Russia was going to be helping these republics.

00:14:52.800 And then days later, Russia came across the border, and the war between Ukraine and Russia started.

00:15:03.560 You know, one way or another, the war between Russia and the West started, Western weapons, at least.

00:15:13.420 And as many people around the world thought it was going to go a lot quicker than it has,

00:15:20.480 I myself did a report in the center of Donetsk where I assumed and thought that Russia was going to be pushing Ukraine back within days from the city of Donetsk.

00:15:36.320 Because you have to imagine the front line of Donetsk was just on the outskirts of the city.

00:15:43.600 We're talking from the center of the city to the edge, just about, to the front line, just about five miles,

00:15:50.800 with often just straight shelling hitting the center of the city.

00:15:57.320 And as we know, it didn't end in three days like General Miley said it would.

00:16:05.640 And there were, there's been a lot of intense battles around these areas.

00:16:12.380 And in fact, right now, I believe there is eight regions between what is internationally recognized as Ukraine or Russia recognizes as Russia.

00:16:26.100 But overall, there's eight regions that have active fighting.

00:16:31.600 Some are Russian, some are pre-war Russian, after-war Russian, whatever you want to call it.

00:16:37.420 We've got the Zaporozhye region, Kherson region, Donetsk region, and Lugansk region,

00:16:44.060 which all four of those had referendums in 2022, September, where they, the Russian-backed referendums,

00:16:52.600 unrecognized by the West, where they voted to join Russia.

00:16:57.800 And then shortly after, Russia took them in officially.

00:17:01.780 And then in addition to those four regions, you've got two regions of Russia,

00:17:11.220 the Belgorod region of Russia and the Kursk region of Russia,

00:17:17.180 where Ukraine came across the border and invaded, incurred on pre-2022 Russia.

00:17:28.780 And in actually in the area of Kursk, they controlled last August about 1,500 square kilometers.

00:17:40.860 Since then, it's been really reduced by Russian forces.

00:17:46.680 But in addition to those six territories, we've also got the Sumy region of Ukraine,

00:17:54.920 which there's some villages and some territory that Russia controls.

00:17:59.420 And there's active, very intense fighting going on there.

00:18:04.040 And now that borders the Kursk region.

00:18:06.140 So basically, Russia went past the territory that was controlled by Ukraine,

00:18:10.880 the Kursk region of Russia, and took territory in the Sumy region.

00:18:15.560 Now, also in the Kharkov region of Ukraine, Russia controls some territory as well.

00:18:25.520 And again, intense fighting going on there.

00:18:29.020 So we've got eight regions with intense fighting.

00:18:33.780 And the war keeps changing.

00:18:38.740 So much has changed, of course, in the last 11 years,

00:18:41.620 as far as how the fighting has changed and how it's going on now.

00:18:47.920 And even since 2022, when Russia first came in and now. 0.77

00:18:53.740 Now the situation is the air war, the drone war.

00:18:57.800 I mean, it's like the war of the future now compared to what it used to be 11 years ago.

00:19:04.280 I mean, the most dangerous part of my job is actually getting to the front line to film what's happening on the front line.

00:19:14.020 Because in the vehicles, getting there is just, there's always drones around.

00:19:20.240 And these are kamikaze drones that are the main threat. 0.99

00:19:23.920 Of course, there's reconnaissance drones as well.

00:19:25.760 But these kamikazes, they will just hitch, they're hunting vehicles around and going back and forth from the front line. 1.00

00:19:36.280 And they will just hit the vehicle and explode.

00:19:39.920 And now they've even gone a step forward where jamming or electronic warfare doesn't affect them

00:19:46.840 because they use fiber optic cables to control these drones.

00:19:51.860 Where this little bitty cable goes from behind the drone to the remote control.

00:19:57.800 They're cabled drones.

00:19:59.860 And they can go up to 30 kilometers.

00:20:02.060 And actually, this right here is some of the fiber optic cable that is used to control these drones.

00:20:12.180 And those are the most deadly on the front line because you can't do anything about it.

00:20:18.620 You can't even detect them with a drone detector.

00:20:22.660 So what is that like?

00:20:24.700 Have you seen the kamikaze drones hit and explode? 0.98

00:20:30.900 Well, just, I guess, just over three weeks ago,

00:20:34.260 I was in the Kursk region of Russia trying to actually get back from the front line.

00:20:43.180 And I was with a team from the Russian forces, Akhmat Brigade.

00:20:50.740 And they were evacuating civilians from the front line.

00:20:55.320 We actually got to the point of, as they called it, the point of zero,

00:20:59.380 which at the edge of the village where we were, was the Ukrainian forces.

00:21:02.860 And as we got there, there were several overhead and they engaged one on the ground and it came down.

00:21:10.640 It wasn't that intense, you could say.

00:21:13.720 So they loaded the civilians in this truck.

00:21:18.420 So in the cab of the truck were these four elderly civilians and the soldier that was driving.

00:21:26.380 And then myself and another journalist, a colleague of mine, were in the back of the truck with two soldiers.

00:21:33.620 And we were trying to evacuate this village.

00:21:37.060 And as we got out of the, just, just outside the village,

00:21:43.580 I happened to be filming one of the soldiers as they were scanning the skies.

00:21:49.480 And the other soldier actually pointed up and said a drone and a few other curse words.

00:21:55.220 And I looked up and there was a drone, a kamikaze drone.

00:22:00.620 Right away, I knew what it was and I knew the danger we were in.

00:22:03.980 And they, the soldiers started firing on it, engaging it, trying to knock it down as it was trying to attack us and kill us.

00:22:14.140 And they signaled to the driver and the driver just floored it.

00:22:18.740 It was just driving as fast as possible.

00:22:21.480 And I'm filming them shooting at the drone and drones trying to hit us.

00:22:25.920 I, I thought that we were going to be, you know, worse, a best case scenario injured.

00:22:32.580 Because, I mean, it got so close to us as we were just driving, just got right up on us.

00:22:37.860 And then, uh, after about five minutes of it, uh, chasing us, well, what felt like five minutes might've been a few minutes less.

00:22:46.000 Um, it was knocked down.

00:22:48.840 And, uh, how do you, how do you knock down a drone?

00:22:52.640 How do you knock down a suicide drone over you?

00:22:56.300 They, they were engaging it with, uh, a shotgun and machine guns.

00:23:02.440 And, uh, and that's, it was coming at us and it was in the video.

00:23:09.280 It's a little bit unclear if their bullets actually hit it or it hit a wire that was going over the road.

00:23:14.460 But for about five minutes, three minutes, something like that, they were firing at it with a shotgun and a machine gun.

00:23:20.540 Now the shotgun is the most, the new weapon of choice on the front line because it's got the buck shots and it spreads.

00:23:28.440 And these, uh, the idea is there's more room to hit, uh, just like you're shooting at a bird.

00:23:37.480 That's actually what they call these drones, birds. 0.93

00:23:40.200 Um, so they're, they go hunting with this shotgun for these, uh, drones.

00:23:45.280 And luckily, thank God, God was with us, with us that day and, uh, it did not hit its target.

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00:25:46.200 So one of the most confusing questions in the West is the most obvious question, which is who's winning?

00:25:57.300 And even now we're told that Ukraine has a shot to win.

00:26:01.760 Lindsey Graham has been saying this even recently.

00:26:04.300 If only U.S. taxpayers would send Zelensky's government more money.

00:26:09.640 What's your perspective as someone who's covering the war from the front lines?

00:26:16.200 Well, I think the idea of Ukraine winning the war is just this dream and narrative that's been put out by the West

00:26:30.160 to make it acceptable for so much money to be putting put into Ukraine to extend this war,

00:26:41.620 to bring Russian forces down in the country of Russia, just to make them use their resources more, including losing more people.

00:26:53.980 I mean, if the United States and the West would not have been supplying the weapons and the funding to Ukraine for the last three years,

00:27:04.040 the war would have ended three years ago, if not two and a half years ago,

00:27:08.520 and hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved.

00:27:13.420 The funding and the support of the West for Ukraine is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of these deaths of soldiers

00:27:28.440 on both sides and civilians for that matter.

00:27:35.440 How many have died?

00:27:38.520 The other question that we can never get a straight answer to or any answer to is how many have died?

00:27:42.640 On both sides. Do you have any guess?

00:27:49.080 You know, it's hard for me to say, you know, my kind of thing in my reports is reporting of what I see, keeping my opinions out of it.

00:27:58.580 So what I can tell you is of what I've seen.

00:28:01.520 One of the hottest areas that I would have been before Kursk and Belgrade, where I am now,

00:28:06.920 was the Mariupol front line, where I followed the Russian front line day by day in the heat of the Battle of Mariupol.

00:28:19.760 And just in that month, I personally saw, you know, between a thousand and two thousand bodies.

00:28:30.520 And it was soldiers, civilians.

00:28:33.860 I mean, the whole city was just covered in bodies.

00:28:40.260 In a matter of a 30-minute period, one time I counted 87 bodies just lining the streets.

00:28:48.800 And, I mean, it was really a horrible situation.

00:28:52.860 And, you know, just seeing so many war crimes involved,

00:28:57.120 so many testimonies from locals about Ukrainian forces.

00:29:02.180 Basically, literally, these are not my words.

00:29:06.780 These are the words of the locals that everything I say can be seen on my YouTube channel.

00:29:12.840 These locals say that Ukrainian forces literally used them as human shields,

00:29:17.060 would set up their tanks in between the apartment buildings and fire at Russian forces.

00:29:25.880 And in other cases, they would directly fire on the civilian buildings.

00:29:32.660 Ukraine forces directly firing on civilian buildings.

00:29:35.440 This is what the locals told me on camera, and it can be seen.

00:29:39.220 Not just one off, a constant daily event.

00:29:44.420 And, unfortunately, there was many instances of Ukrainian forces using schools as bases.

00:29:53.900 One of my first days in Mariupol, found a school, school number 25 of Mariupol.

00:30:02.100 I'll never forget it.

00:30:03.680 Went into the basement and found that Ukrainian forces were using this basement as a position, military position.

00:30:12.780 And many burned out rooms and weapons, uniforms, flags, Ukrainian flags.

00:30:20.800 And, unfortunately, we found a dead civilian woman who was naked, and she had a bag over her head. 0.99

00:30:35.940 It was clearly raped and tortured. 0.78

00:30:38.180 And it was clearly a civilian from the area that Ukrainian forces had kidnapped and tortured and raped. 0.93

00:30:46.820 And they carved – it's actually a little unclear whether it was burned or carved a swastika on her stomach.

00:30:55.740 And, really, it was the first time that it stood out to me, the psychological effect of some of these instances when you see it.

00:31:05.400 In my mind, I still remember seeing a bandage over her head, kind of like something like she was injured and it was bandaged.

00:31:12.820 But if you look at the video, you see it was a plastic bag that was used to execute her. 0.93

00:31:19.620 Now, that's just one of the many examples of executions that I've seen by Ukrainian forces.

00:31:25.120 The most recent were in the Kursk region, just this last January, where I was with Russian regular army forces.

00:31:40.780 And they had just days before gotten to this village and basically kicked Ukrainian forces out.

00:31:49.140 And the village was destroyed and there was a shelter, a basement, basically, that we went down into and found a group of civilians.

00:32:01.540 There was two elderly women and one elderly man that had been killed by – clearly by Ukrainian forces because as we walked down the steps, the smell was so bad, we had to put gas masks on.

00:32:18.500 And at the bottom of the steps were – couldn't really say how many people because it was clear that some sort of explosive, I assume a grenade, was thrown down in the shelter where these people were hiding.

00:32:33.160 And the people near the door were actually with a dog that were there were just turned into, you know, soup, basically.

00:32:45.760 So it wasn't really clear how many were there.

00:32:48.400 But then as we went farther back into the shelter, found, as I said, two elderly women that were killed by the explosion and an elderly man.

00:32:57.760 And then back in August, as I said, when Ukraine first came in to Kursk, I was also there and met a man who explained how he was trying to evacuate his family from the Suzy region, which was basically the stronghold of Ukrainian forces when they came into the Kursk region of Russia.

00:33:24.160 And he explained how his – he was evacuating his wife, pregnant wife, their one-year-old son, and his wife's mother.

00:33:34.000 And they had two vehicles.

00:33:36.200 And this is – basically they were surprised that war broke out in their village because they weren't part of the war zone before August.

00:33:43.240 And so he's decided he was going to drive in the front car and have his family in the back with his wife driving behind just in case something's happened.

00:33:51.860 And it would hit him first, it would hit him first, and they might make it away.

00:33:55.980 And they were – he said they were driving, came around a turn, and came face-to-face with a Ukraine or pro-Ukraine soldier.

00:34:05.240 He said just two meters away from him.

00:34:07.700 He said there was no way that the soldier did not see that they were civilians.

00:34:13.880 There was no question they were civilians.

00:34:15.400 And the soldier opened fire.

00:34:17.680 The bullet went through the bill of his cap and a few into his vehicle.

00:34:24.540 And they kept on driving as they were being fired at and got some distance between and went around another corner.

00:34:35.540 And these are his words, not mine.

00:34:37.140 And he saw that his wife's vehicle was slowing down, and he waited for her to speed up.

00:34:46.020 And then when her car hit the back of his car, he knew something was wrong.

00:34:52.040 And he went back to check on his family in the other car, and his wife, pregnant wife, was huddled over their one-year-old son with bullet holes in the side of her stomach.

00:35:03.380 And he picked her up, took her to the nearest hospital they could find, and they weren't able to save her.

00:35:13.900 He tried to do CPR, and his words massaged her heart back to life.

00:35:18.080 And their one-year-old son was injured, but thank God he lived.

00:35:23.800 And then unfortunately, he wasn't able to recover her body for many months afterwards.

00:35:29.500 But now things have changed quite considerably in the Kursk region.

00:35:35.500 As I said, it started in August with Ukraine just surprising many coming across, taking 1,500 square kilometers.

00:35:44.400 And then right when they did that, Russia started taking some back.

00:35:50.040 And I was with them.

00:35:50.800 I went with the assault groups to the Ukrainian lines as the assault groups took territory back.

00:35:57.220 And Russia started going and going and going and taking these villages back.

00:36:08.860 And it almost slowed down as far as the recovery of the territory by Russian forces until last month,

00:36:16.720 when an operation of Russian forces literally went into these gas pipes.

00:36:22.500 And they tunneled underneath Ukrainian lines and reported 600 Russian forces, soldiers came up behind Ukrainian lines.

00:36:34.920 And that operation with an assault from the other side basically collapsed Ukrainian lines.

00:36:44.020 And now there's just a very small amount of Ukrainian forces left in the Kursk region.

00:36:51.940 And just yesterday, there were a report from the Russian Ministry of Defense that some territory had been taken back by Russian forces.

00:37:02.760 Now, unfortunately, this is leaving tens of thousands of people homeless, that homes were destroyed in this incursion or invasion by Russian forces or Ukrainian forces into this region of Russia.

00:37:21.500 And basically, the standard thing for the Russian government to do is give certificates for new homes to the victims.

00:37:33.040 They've actually gotten pretty good at it because there's so many regions of people that have had their homes lost by Ukrainian shelling.

00:37:40.620 But one thing that I noticed, it's pretty interesting about what they're doing in the Kursk region and on top of the certificate compared to what the United States does when someone loses their house, say, to a national disaster.

00:37:57.100 The governor of Kursk, Alexander Kinstein, started an initiative to request from Moscow a special stipend or payment of a monthly payment of 65,000 rubles for every member of a family whose home was lost monthly.

00:38:19.620 So, I mean, that's 65,000.

00:38:23.040 That's about $750.

00:38:24.220 So, if it's a family of four, that's about $3,000 a month.

00:38:30.380 You know, of course, that's not going to, you know, replace everything in their lives that they've lost.

00:38:35.960 But it's a lot more than I think what was the United States giving to some of the natural disaster, I think 700 lump sum payments, something like that.

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00:40:11.080 So, let me ask you, from our perspective over here, the Ukrainian government is not just at war with Russia, but also with Christianity.

00:40:20.520 The Ukrainian government has banned the largest Christian denomination in Ukraine and has embraced transgenderism and other explicitly anti-Christian forms of expression.

00:40:34.440 Are you aware of that?

00:40:36.180 Are the Russians aware of that?

00:40:37.860 Is there a religious component?

00:40:39.760 Just because their hostility to Christianity is so obvious, I wonder if you notice it.

00:40:44.200 Well, I always ask the soldiers on the front line who are documenting fighting, you know, what they're doing there.

00:40:55.880 Why are they fighting?

00:40:56.800 What are they fighting for?

00:40:58.100 And often, an answer that they give is they're fighting Satan because they view the religious atmosphere so different, as you point out, in Ukraine than the traditional Russian society.

00:41:21.400 You know, so it's quite a, religion is very important to the Russian soldier.

00:41:31.640 And, of course, I think it's quite a bit more than, you know, the traditional, you say, there's no atheists on the front line.

00:41:38.360 But this goes a lot deeper into their cultural heritage.

00:41:44.040 Have you seen any North Korean soldiers?

00:41:46.520 No, I have not.

00:41:50.860 Not a lack of trying.

00:41:52.800 I tried to investigate the reports of these North Korean soldiers, and I was not able to locate any of them.

00:42:04.320 Of course, there's rumors all over the world of this, but I was not able to locate any of them.

00:42:10.280 How many American correspondents are embedded with Russian units that you know of?

00:42:16.520 One, me.

00:42:20.340 So no one from NBC or CNN or Fox or PBS or New York Times, Washington Post, you're not aware of any American correspondents covering the other side in this war?

00:42:37.300 No, no, unfortunately.

00:42:39.160 So does it feel to you that American reporters have basically taken the side of the Biden administration, which told us that Russia is our enemy and are uncritically repeating U.S.

00:42:55.940 government talking points?

00:42:57.040 Yeah, I mean, of course, the Western media has their narrative.

00:43:07.460 And, you know, unfortunately, they try to hide the facts that most of what I report.

00:43:17.200 They try to hide and not report on it.

00:43:19.040 And, you know, I tell all my viewers, don't just watch my reports because I don't have all the answers, but I'm showing you what the mainstream media doesn't want you to see.

00:43:32.400 I'm just giving you my piece of the puzzle, something that you're not going to see anywhere else, unfortunately.

00:43:39.000 But, you know, people need to get as many perspectives as possible and educate themselves, not just be led like sheep by the mainstream media.

00:43:51.300 And I'm very glad there's people like you out there as well that, you know, could give someone a little bit something to think about other than just the narrative that is trying to be forced down their throat.

00:44:04.660 Yeah, I mean, if you're the only American correspondent embedded with Russian units, then I would think you would be in high demand.

00:44:14.880 I'm embarrassed it's taken me over three years to talk to you.

00:44:17.620 That's my fault.

00:44:18.400 But I mean, I assume you're getting calls every week from American news organizations trying to understand what's happening.

00:44:24.300 Unfortunately, no, they don't seem too interested in discussing things with me or seeing the information that I'm putting out.

00:44:39.360 And in fact, in 2014, 15, and 16, I was what I would say is a freelance journalist, videographer as well, until, you know, I felt like my work was being betrayed.

00:45:02.080 And because I was giving this material.

00:45:09.460 And then once I saw that the material was being lied about, I mean, one instance, I was in the Lugansk region in Pervomysk when Ukraine forces launched a rocket attack on this soup kitchen.

00:45:23.640 And we happened to be there, and we happened to be there, and I filmed in the aftermath, and the women saying how Parashenko was killing them and their families, just really horrible, just targeting civilians by Ukrainian forces with huge rockets.

00:45:39.260 And I sold that material as a freelance journalist to Western outlets, and they turned it around and said that it was Lugansk rebels that fired on the soup kitchen, just totally lying about the situation.

00:45:55.820 So after that, I decided I'm not going to do that anymore.

00:46:00.380 You know, regardless if I get paid for it or not, I'm going to be showing exactly what I see.

00:46:07.280 And that's what I've been doing since then, is just on my YouTube channel, showing my reports.

00:46:14.340 I'm only supported by my viewers.

00:46:16.740 Of course, I'll do collaborations with other channels and things if, you know, they're interested.

00:46:23.520 But I make it a point not to get paid by anyone but the donations from my viewers.

00:46:29.980 So the only people that I report to that I need to show what's really happening is my viewers.

00:46:36.660 I don't have any editor or boss that says, oh, we need to show this or show this.

00:46:43.340 No, I show in my reports on YouTube and my Substack blog exactly what's happening, exactly what I see with no narrative, just the facts that the Western mainstream media isn't showing.

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00:48:30.260 So, since you've been there all these years and have a, you know, a tactile sense of what's happening, give us a couple examples of stories Americans may have seen or read in our media here that you know firsthand are wrong.

00:48:45.360 Oh, well, we can, off the top of my head, the missile attack, Tochka'u attack by Ukrainian forces on the center of Donetsk in 2022,

00:49:06.000 when a Ukraine launched a cluster bomb attack on the center of Donetsk, and cluster bombs came down and actually hit just about 200 yards from my apartment where my family and kids and wife were.

00:49:26.600 And my dad was actually in the city with us as well, and we had to throw the, we thought we were getting hit.

00:49:35.740 We threw the bulletproof vests on the kids and threw one of the others under the bed, and I mean, it was, it was not good. 0.99

00:49:45.700 It didn't, in the Western mainstream media, they said that it was a Russian attack, which is just idiotic. 0.94

00:49:56.260 Why would Russia attack Donetsk that hasn't been under Ukrainian control for the last eight years before that? 0.96

00:50:07.000 I mean, just total grabbing of false information to try to portray a narrative that just is not true.

00:50:15.700 And actually, that was my, the last day that my family was in Donetsk with me.

00:50:22.780 I had to evacuate them as I stayed to show what was happening on the front line.

00:50:27.260 My wife didn't want to leave, because, as I said, my wife's from Donetsk, but I said after that, just so close to us, I had to evacuate them. 1.00

00:50:35.360 And after that, I just, you know, kind of went solo and went back to my family when I could, and that's what I do, even today.

00:50:48.140 Where are you from in the United States?

00:50:52.180 I'm from St. Louis, Missouri.

00:50:56.100 Have you been back to the U.S. during the last, over the last three years?

00:51:00.280 In the last three years, no, I have not.

00:51:06.420 How is YouTube treating you?

00:51:11.540 Well, I haven't been monetized on YouTube, basically, at all.

00:51:16.080 I started my YouTube channel in 2014, and there's no monetization whatsoever.

00:51:26.080 Why?

00:51:26.800 On what grounds were you demonetized?

00:51:30.280 You know, it's been literally over a decade ago, but I believe just the fact of war and, you know, they're just not interested in putting commercials on my material.

00:51:45.700 I guess because it doesn't fit the Western mainstream narrative, but, you know, it's great.

00:51:54.140 That I'm still able to use the platform to show the world some of the things that's happening.

00:52:00.240 But unfortunately, it's not monetized, so I'm only supported by, as I said, my viewers through donations.

00:52:08.720 But, you know, what I do, it's not really because of the money.

00:52:11.280 Yeah, of course, I've got to support my family.

00:52:14.080 But, you know, as I said, after I saw how different what was being shown in the West, what was happening, I just had to do something about it.

00:52:25.280 And, you know, if you would ask me before, 12 years ago, would I be a war correspondent, you know, going to the front lines with, you know, showing the reality of what's happening, and I'd be the only one doing it.

00:52:38.880 It just would be amazing to me.

00:52:44.320 I mean, given the atrocities, you've seen some incredibly ugly things.

00:52:50.620 You described a few of them, but it's been so long.

00:52:53.920 I wonder what effect that has on you as a person to see things like that.

00:53:00.700 Well, I mean, I would say before this war, I had mixed thoughts about what post-traumatic stress really was

00:53:13.960 and how serious it was, but I can tell you now, there's no doubt that it's definitely a thing.

00:53:23.560 You know, I would say quite different.

00:53:28.540 Of course, everything I've seen here is quite different than when I was in the U.S. military.

00:53:32.860 I used to be in the U.S. Navy from 2001 until 2006.

00:53:40.160 And I was on the USS Kitty Hawk that was involved with Operation Iraqi Freedom and, you know, never saw anything like that there, like I see here, of course.

00:53:54.620 But, you know, I always find it interesting how the U.S. calls all of their operations operations.

00:54:07.700 But when Russia says that it's not a war, it's a special military operation.

00:54:13.220 The Western media makes this big thing about it, how, oh, it's legal to call it a war in Russia and all that, which is total bull.

00:54:20.840 So the war is a war. Operation Iraqi Freedom was a war and Russia's special military operation is a war.

00:54:29.520 And the eight years before it was a civil war. A war is a war, regardless what you want to call it.

00:54:35.820 And I'm in Russia now calling it a war. Nothing's going to happen for it because of it.

00:54:40.020 So that's just another false narrative that the Western media pushed of, you know, trying to say no freedom of speech in Russia and all that total falsehood.

00:54:56.080 So did you know Gonzalo Lyra, who was maybe the only other American who was looking critically at what the Ukrainian government is doing?

00:55:07.900 He was murdered by the Ukrainian government, as you know.

00:55:10.720 Did you ever run across him? And are you worried that if you fell into Ukrainian hands, they would murder you, too? 1.00

00:55:15.520 Well, we talked online a couple of times. You know, he was definitely ballsy for him to go against the Ukrainian government while he was there and unfortunately didn't work so well for him.

00:55:35.980 And of course, if I was able ever, if I ever ended up in Ukrainian forces, it would not be in Ukrainian forces hands.

00:55:51.020 It would not be a very nice time.

00:55:55.080 You know, I've been on the Ukrainian kill list or whatever you want to enemies of the state list, which I believe you are as well. 0.97

00:56:04.440 I believe we're both on there.

00:56:09.680 I've been on that list since 2016.

00:56:14.680 The list that's a non-governmental list that they put names of people that are an enemy of Ukraine.

00:56:24.380 And they write, because of my work, that I'm an assistant to terrorism.

00:56:30.200 And they've posted photos of my children, my wife.

00:56:36.220 In the past, they even posted her personal telephone number.

00:56:42.000 She had to change your number because of it. 1.00

00:56:44.660 So, yeah, it would not be a good thing if I ended up in the hands of Russian or Ukrainian forces.

00:56:50.940 The Ukrainian war effort has been led by the United States.

00:56:55.340 Do you have any, which is a fact most Americans, I think, even now don't understand.

00:57:01.020 Do you have any idea how many Americans have been killed fighting for Ukraine?

00:57:04.900 Um, well, we know it happens.

00:57:12.580 Uh, I would say there's probably a lot more that have been killed for Ukraine than is public knowledge.

00:57:19.520 Yes.

00:57:20.160 Um, I mean, there's, you can imagine that there is probably some internal operations on the front line that involved, uh, Western special forces and not all of them made it out.

00:57:35.340 Um, I've talked to, uh, soldiers, uh, on the front, Russian soldiers on the front line about, uh, foreign mercenaries or foreign soldiers.

00:57:47.500 And they said they encountered them all the time, uh, from European countries, from U.S., uh, and more.

00:57:55.900 And it also, as I actually made a video, uh, last month about, it's, it seems Russia's not really playing around anymore when it comes to, uh, foreign fighters or what they consider, all the foreign fighters, they consider foreign mercenaries.

00:58:13.500 And Vladimir Putin says that these foreign mercenaries do not get the projection of the Jiva Convention and are, uh, there's a possibility of execution.

00:58:31.140 Uh, so it really seems like now that, uh, there's only two outcomes for these, uh, foreigners that, uh, come over here to fight if they come into Russian hands.

00:58:42.860 It's jail or death.

00:58:45.260 And I say jail because in the beginning of March, there was a British soldier, uh, who was taken a prisoner by Russian forces who was, uh, he would believe he was taken a prisoner in November of last year in the Kursk region.

00:59:02.560 Uh, and he went through his trial and was convicted, uh, uh, and received a 19 year sentence.

00:59:13.960 So it seems Russia's going pretty strong on the foreigners here.

00:59:19.780 How long do you think this world will go on?

00:59:24.600 Well, it's a very difficult question.

00:59:27.740 Um, uh, I've, back in 2022, I tried to make, as I said, the predictions like, uh, many people around the world did and everyone was wrong.

00:59:39.120 I mean, I, of course, the most important thing is people stopped dying and it would be great if today there was a, a ceasefire, uh, declared and everyone stopped dying.

00:59:51.460 And everything went back to, uh, uh, peace and, uh, all that.

00:59:58.520 But I don't think it's going to be happening anytime soon, unfortunately.

01:00:02.020 Um, because Russia has made it clear that Russian law considers the four regions, Zaporizhia, her son, uh, Donetsk Lugansk, part of Russia, Western law, and of course, Crimea.

01:00:17.860 But even now Trump says he's going to say Crimea is Russia.

01:00:22.340 So that's not even worth discussing anymore.

01:00:25.260 Um, but, uh, Ukraine law and Western law says that these four regions are parts of Ukraine.

01:00:33.820 Russia cannot stop until they control what is legally by Russian law considered part of Russia. 0.86

01:00:41.760 Regardless what side of this conflict you favor, looking at Russian law, Russian law cannot stop the war until they control part of all of what Russian law considers part of Russia.

01:00:58.340 And I've been saying this for, for years.

01:01:00.720 It was one thing before September of 2022, when Russia could have stopped and, uh, had a quick, uh, peace, a deal.

01:01:12.940 But after September of 2022, these four regions were legally, as far as Russian law considers, part of Russia.

01:01:19.700 And Russia cannot stop until it controls this.

01:01:23.660 And Zelenitsky, Ukraine, and the West has made it clear that Ukrainian forces are not just going to stand up and leave these regions.

01:01:33.140 Now, if we look at Lugansk, there's 99, uh, percent of the area of Lugansk that's controlled by Russia.

01:01:40.140 But if you go south to the Donetsk region, it's, uh, uh, there's less controlled by Russia with several important, uh, key places like Kramatorsk and Slavyansk,

01:01:52.140 which actually called the water supply, uh, to Donetsk.

01:01:57.600 Um, and then of course in Kherson, you've got the city of Kherson and Zaporozhye, the city of Zaporozhye,

01:02:04.300 which are cut geographically by a river is basically the front line now.

01:02:11.200 Um, and I mentioned the water supply for Donetsk.

01:02:15.200 Basically, after Russia took control of, uh, Mariupol in 2022, the first thing Ukraine did was cut the water, uh, from the Kramatorsk area going into Donetsk and down to Mariupol.

01:02:32.260 The reason they didn't cut the water to Donetsk in the previous eight years, like they did with Crimea,

01:02:38.400 because that was the first thing they did with Crimea when Russia, uh, uh, took Crimea and they cut the water supply from Ukraine,

01:02:44.840 literally dammed the canal that was feeding water to the people of Ukraine, of, uh, Crimea.

01:02:50.480 And, um, the water supply was going underneath Donetsk and into Mariupol.

01:02:56.740 And Mariupol had to be fed by water when they controlled Mariupol. 0.84

01:03:00.720 But once Russia fully took control, Ukraine shut off the water to Donetsk and, uh, Mariupol.

01:03:08.740 And for a long time in Donetsk, you were only getting two hours every three days of water.

01:03:15.280 I mean, just horrible, uh, living conditions because Ukraine made the decision to shut off the water to these people.

01:03:22.240 The people that they said they wanted, they were trying to stop from leaving the country for eight years.

01:03:28.600 Um, and, uh, Russia made a huge, uh, um, project to bring water from the Rostov region into the Donetsk region.

01:03:39.940 And it's still ongoing.

01:03:41.620 And now there's a couple hours a day of water in Donetsk.

01:03:46.080 That's horrifying.

01:03:47.920 Have you, uh, seen any reports of the Ukrainian military selling NATO arms outside of Ukraine?

01:03:58.980 Um, you know, there, there has been, uh, some, uh, reports of Western supplied, uh, weapons showing up in the cartel hands, uh, Mexico and, uh, other, uh, places.

01:04:15.360 But what I can tell you, I have seen with my own eyes is Russian forces using these weapons back against, uh, Ukraine.

01:04:24.340 Weapons that Ukraine got from NATO countries and Russia captured them and turned them back against, uh, Ukraine and, um, reverse is in the process of reverse engineering.

01:04:39.740 Uh, I just did a report where I went with a, uh, uh, the, uh, soldier group to a undisclosed location where they had, uh, about 20 military vehicles, NATO military vehicles that were on their way to be getting, uh, reverse engineered.

01:04:58.720 And basically any type of secret information they could get out of them.

01:05:02.560 Um, and that report will be coming out soon.

01:05:06.120 But, um, I would say Russia's getting a lot out of these, uh, NATO weapons.

01:05:12.900 Last question.

01:05:15.580 Thank you, Patrick, for taking all this time.

01:05:17.360 Um, do you think the U.S. population, Americans, would have supported this war, which they've paid for, for over three years, as long as they did, if they'd had factual, unbiased news coverage of what was actually happening there?

01:05:36.100 Uh, no, uh, definitely not.

01:05:42.240 And, uh, one reason is to go back to one of your previous questions about what's not being reported in the West that, uh, I could bring to light.

01:05:53.260 Well, let's talk about the people of these areas, specifically the Donetsk and Lugansk areas for the last 11 years, just wanting to break away from Ukraine and the right of self-determination.

01:06:07.520 And they didn't say this in the media, that these people were not being held down by these rebels or whatever you want to call them.

01:06:15.680 These people were doing their best to leave Ukraine and Ukraine was punishing them for that.

01:06:21.660 This is, they voted to break away, uh, uh, from Ukraine.

01:06:26.880 So it's, I mean, definitely if the Western people would really understand what's really been happening here over the last 11 years, not just the last three years, but the overall situation, there's no way they would have wanted their tax money to be supporting this and killing hundreds of thousands of people.

01:06:51.660 I believe that.

01:06:54.140 Patrick Lancaster, thank you for doing this interview.

01:06:57.720 I hope you're safe.

01:06:59.280 Um, I appreciate it.

01:07:00.760 I hope you'll come back.

01:07:03.040 Thank you very much, Mr. Carlson.

01:07:04.560 I appreciate you having me and I definitely am looking forward to the next time and hopefully one day we meet in person.

01:07:10.100 Godspeed.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - April 25, 2025

Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine⧸Russia War： Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians

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