The Tucker Carlson Show - Peter Brimelow on the Invasion of America, Who’s Behind It, and How Long Until Total Collapse

00:00:00.000 Peter Brimler, thank you so much for doing this.

00:00:06.040 I thought of you last week when I read this.

00:00:08.440 I don't know how much you follow X,

00:00:10.720 but there were a couple exchanges that suggested to me

00:00:14.560 that things were changing very, very fast.

00:00:16.820 Okay, so here's one.

00:00:18.200 This is a tweet from last week, less than a week ago,

00:00:22.280 from basically an anonymous account, and I'm quoting.

00:00:26.020 If white men become a minority, we will be slaughtered.

00:00:28.880 Remember, if non-whites openly hate white men,

00:00:31.940 while white men hold a collective majority,

00:00:34.660 then they will be a thousand times more hostile and cruel

00:00:37.480 when they're a majority over whites.

00:00:39.740 White solidarity is the only way to survive.

00:00:42.300 Okay, that's on the internet.

00:00:44.080 Elon Musk retweets it and says, 100%.

00:00:47.620 And then Elon Musk writes this.

00:00:51.820 If current trends continue,

00:00:53.720 whites will go from being a small minority

00:00:55.440 of the world population today

00:00:56.980 to virtually extinct, exclamation point.

00:01:02.100 All of that, in my opinion, is obviously true.

00:01:06.280 And I think most people know it.

00:01:08.520 But I read that and I thought,

00:01:09.860 here's the world's richest man who owns this platform

00:01:12.100 and a lot of other things saying this.

00:01:14.840 And Peter Brimlow, who I know,

00:01:18.260 who's a thoroughly decent person,

00:01:19.780 has had his life turned upside down

00:01:21.440 and basically been destroyed in some ways,

00:01:23.220 professionally anyway,

00:01:24.680 for saying things that are way more restrained for that than that.

00:01:28.520 So I have to ask you what it feels like to see that.

00:01:31.920 It feels kind of tingly, on the one hand.

00:01:36.780 Tingly?

00:01:37.440 I'm happy that the debate has moved in that direction

00:01:41.340 and the things that we were talking about 25 years ago

00:01:44.400 on vdare.com, which was my website,

00:01:47.560 my birthright citizenship and so on,

00:01:49.760 are now in the public debate.

00:01:51.120 On the other hand, you know, we've been ruined

00:01:53.800 and we're facing personal ruin, of course,

00:01:56.160 because of this attack on us

00:01:57.580 by the New York Attorney General, Letitia James.

00:02:00.240 Sometimes, as nobody knows who I am, Tucker,

00:02:02.560 I should say that, you know, I'm a long-time,

00:02:04.460 it's part of my accent, I've been here for 55 years

00:02:06.820 and I'm a long-time financial journalist.

00:02:08.720 I work for Forbes and Fortune and Barons and so on

00:02:13.420 and I work for National Review.

00:02:15.300 I wrote for National Review a lot

00:02:16.480 and I wrote a piece on immigration in 1992

00:02:19.280 saying, time to rethink immigration.

00:02:21.480 That's sometimes credited with kicking off the modern debate.

00:02:26.900 And there was a brief civil war

00:02:28.060 within the conservative movement at that point,

00:02:29.720 which we lost and Buckley stabbed us in the back

00:02:32.700 and purged the magazine of immigration patriots.

00:02:35.580 And for the next while, you know,

00:02:38.060 the Wall Street Journal editorial page

00:02:39.400 was absolutely dominant

00:02:40.240 and they were going on about the need for amnesty

00:02:43.240 and there was no way to combat it.

00:02:46.360 So I set up a website,

00:02:47.740 which I called, I named vdare.com

00:02:49.420 after Virginia Dare,

00:02:50.580 the first English child,

00:02:52.980 not white child, as they always say,

00:02:54.900 born in the new world.

00:02:56.220 And over a period of about 25 years,

00:02:58.580 we built up into quite a force

00:02:59.860 until about two years ago,

00:03:01.700 it was destroyed by the New York Attorney General,

00:03:03.940 Tisha James,

00:03:04.640 who just basically subpoenaed us to death

00:03:07.100 and has in fact now sued us personally

00:03:10.920 and through the foundation.

00:03:15.660 So we're a bit like General Flynn, you know,

00:03:18.160 no middle-class family can stand up to this.

00:03:20.500 General Flynn had to sell his house

00:03:21.880 and we're going to face a bit driven

00:03:23.900 into personal bankruptcy, I guess.

00:03:26.960 It's a horrifying story.

00:03:29.620 I've kept abreast of it through your wife,

00:03:31.900 who texts me as a wonderful person.

00:03:34.500 And I know that you're a man

00:03:35.640 of great personal decency and restraint

00:03:38.580 and basically a great citizen

00:03:41.300 and the kind of immigrant we need

00:03:42.740 and I'm grateful to have.

00:03:44.740 So the whole thing is shocking and so revealing,

00:03:47.200 but I'd like if you don't mind to start closer

00:03:50.120 to the beginning of this story

00:03:51.920 with your experience at National Review.

00:03:55.180 1992, you said you wrote this piece

00:03:57.220 saying time to rethink immigration,

00:03:59.080 which I remember well.

00:04:00.640 At the time, National Review really was a forum

00:04:02.560 for conservatives to think through

00:04:05.160 what it meant to be conservative.

00:04:06.280 So that was a significant piece at the time.

00:04:10.720 And then you said Bill Buckley,

00:04:12.680 the then editor William F. Buckley Jr.,

00:04:14.340 stabbed you in the back.

00:04:16.320 Can you tell a story?

00:04:18.000 What happened exactly?

00:04:18.920 Oh, sure.

00:04:20.280 I was never on staff at National,

00:04:22.160 but I was what they called a senior editor

00:04:24.440 and I roll for it a lot.

00:04:25.740 And in 1992, I wrote this very long cover story.

00:04:28.300 It's about 14,000 words.

00:04:30.880 Bill had retired as the editor then.

00:04:33.340 He was just circling around in the background.

00:04:36.320 But the then editor, John O'Solven,

00:04:38.760 went with this story.

00:04:40.020 And for about five years,

00:04:41.640 we basically directly challenged

00:04:43.080 the official conservative line,

00:04:46.640 which was that immigration is good,

00:04:47.980 more immigration is better,

00:04:49.580 illegal immigration is very good.

00:04:51.400 That's what the Wall Street Journal said

00:04:53.360 and still saying as far as I can tell.

00:04:55.960 Yes.

00:04:56.120 And then at the end of five years in 97,

00:05:00.680 Bill just abruptly,

00:05:02.120 without any warning at all,

00:05:03.120 fired O'Solven

00:05:03.960 and purged the magazine

00:05:05.660 of immigration patriots

00:05:08.120 and basically told us to shut up,

00:05:09.720 told them all to shut up about immigration,

00:05:11.700 which of course they all eagerly did.

00:05:13.120 He put the Washington Bureau in charge,

00:05:14.920 Rich Lowry and Penuru and so on.

00:05:18.160 And so for them,

00:05:19.040 for two or three years,

00:05:20.300 you couldn't get even the basic facts

00:05:22.400 about immigration out to the public.

00:05:25.240 But then the internet came along

00:05:26.480 and rescued us

00:05:29.980 and I started VDARE.com.

00:05:31.840 May I ask you to pause

00:05:32.600 and explain why that happened?

00:05:34.620 Why do you think Bill Buckley,

00:05:35.920 who was retired

00:05:36.680 and letting John O'Solven run it,

00:05:39.280 another Brit, I think.

00:05:40.860 Yes, indeed.

00:05:41.840 Who now lives in Budapest.

00:05:44.920 Why do you think that he stepped

00:05:47.220 back in from retirement

00:05:49.560 to shut down that conversation specifically?

00:05:52.800 Well, of course,

00:05:53.400 I've had 20-odd years to think about that

00:05:55.500 and the answer is,

00:05:56.500 over the time my answer's evolved.

00:05:58.560 At the time,

00:05:59.800 I thought he was just jealous.

00:06:01.740 This is actually a thing you see.

00:06:02.820 I was a financial journalist for a long time.

00:06:04.540 It's a thing you see often

00:06:05.460 in the corporate world.

00:06:07.980 Entrepreneurs will come back

00:06:09.120 and purge the fire,

00:06:11.980 the managers that they put in

00:06:13.020 to replace themselves.

00:06:13.860 Yes, exactly.

00:06:14.200 Out of sheer jealousy.

00:06:15.520 I think the Congressional Republicans

00:06:17.060 hated us talking about immigration

00:06:18.760 because it upsets the donors.

00:06:21.140 And I think that was influential with Bill.

00:06:23.580 He liked being lionized

00:06:25.160 by the then Republican majority in the House.

00:06:30.780 And I think...

00:06:31.400 So the Republican leadership didn't like it,

00:06:33.920 Newt Gingrich, etc.,

00:06:35.520 who was ascendant,

00:06:37.640 came in in 94,

00:06:38.820 to much, much fanfare,

00:06:40.180 achieved not a lot.

00:06:41.740 But they're the ones

00:06:44.260 who pressured Bill Buckley,

00:06:45.440 you believe.

00:06:46.060 I think that was true.

00:06:47.540 But I also think that

00:06:48.720 the neocons in New York hated it,

00:06:52.320 hated the line.

00:06:53.320 And Bill was very, very leery

00:06:56.680 of offending the neoconservatives,

00:06:58.280 people like Norman Port Horace and so on.

00:07:01.000 And I think they pressured him to...

00:07:03.280 I mean, I know they pressured him

00:07:04.640 to get rid of John.

00:07:05.760 Now, why would they care?

00:07:09.040 Oh, because at that point,

00:07:12.680 the neoconservatives,

00:07:13.660 who were predominantly Jewish faction,

00:07:15.460 they had this sort of

00:07:16.280 Ellis Island view of America.

00:07:19.420 They wanted to...

00:07:21.360 They're extremely frightened

00:07:23.180 of the white majority in America

00:07:25.740 becoming self-conscious

00:07:26.820 because they feel, as Jews,

00:07:28.600 that it will leave them out in the cold.

00:07:30.460 Despite the fact

00:07:33.920 there's never been any

00:07:35.020 real anti-Semitic movement

00:07:36.960 in the United States,

00:07:37.840 there's no evidence

00:07:38.700 that white people

00:07:40.640 becoming aware

00:07:41.700 of the fact that they're white

00:07:42.920 is a threat to Jews.

00:07:44.300 I don't know where that comes from.

00:07:45.840 Right.

00:07:47.900 And I actually think

00:07:49.900 there's a certain sort of jealousy there.

00:07:51.380 They didn't like...

00:07:52.800 I mean, if you look at ideas

00:07:53.860 on the right

00:07:54.740 in the recent years,

00:07:56.120 a lot of them originated

00:07:56.920 out of neoconservatism.

00:07:58.400 But here was a non-neoconservative faction.

00:08:00.200 We would have then described ourselves

00:08:01.980 as paleoconservatives

00:08:03.200 coming up with a whole idea

00:08:05.100 and a whole issue.

00:08:06.080 Because the immigration

00:08:06.680 was completely dormant

00:08:08.560 from 1968

00:08:10.440 when the Hartzell Act kicked in

00:08:12.120 until the early 90s.

00:08:13.900 There was no discussion of it at all.

00:08:15.420 I actually went through

00:08:16.040 National Review's archives

00:08:17.080 and I found that

00:08:17.640 they hadn't discussed immigration

00:08:18.660 at all between the passage

00:08:20.840 of the 65 Act

00:08:22.480 until the early 90s.

00:08:23.780 People simply didn't realise

00:08:24.720 what was going on.

00:08:25.820 Why?

00:08:27.800 I think there are

00:08:28.640 a couple of reasons.

00:08:29.400 One is that, you know,

00:08:31.080 there was a pause in immigration

00:08:33.540 from 1924

00:08:35.220 to about 1968.

00:08:37.360 So a whole generation grew up

00:08:39.160 when there was essentially

00:08:40.280 no immigration at all

00:08:41.320 into the US.

00:08:42.680 And, you know,

00:08:43.920 and so it just wasn't

00:08:45.480 an issue to them.

00:08:46.900 And, you know,

00:08:47.320 what happens with...

00:08:48.400 It's like an academic life.

00:08:50.140 We have an academic theory.

00:08:51.800 It's not that it conquered

00:08:53.080 the other theories

00:08:54.140 by being better

00:08:55.060 and better arguments.

00:08:56.440 It's just that the people

00:08:57.220 who hold the earlier theories

00:08:58.500 die off

00:08:59.180 and they're replaced

00:09:00.180 by younger...

00:09:01.100 And that's true

00:09:01.720 for politicians too.

00:09:02.800 That's true.

00:09:03.080 A whole generation

00:09:03.940 of politicians

00:09:04.780 had never thought

00:09:05.480 about this issue.

00:09:06.260 And I include Ronald Reagan

00:09:07.800 in that.

00:09:08.360 I mean,

00:09:08.780 it simply wasn't an issue

00:09:10.180 when he was growing up.

00:09:11.400 And that's why

00:09:11.940 he was haunt

00:09:12.520 swoggled by this...

00:09:13.860 The Urke amnesty

00:09:15.120 in 1986.

00:09:16.000 He actually genuinely

00:09:16.640 thought that

00:09:17.240 the ruling

00:09:19.320 of the government

00:09:20.320 would exchange amnesty

00:09:21.900 for serious enforcement.

00:09:24.080 Whereas, in fact,

00:09:24.660 he just took the amnesty

00:09:25.980 and didn't enforce the law

00:09:27.380 against illegal immigration

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00:12:25.500 But I'm a little bit fixated

00:12:28.060 on William McBuckley

00:12:29.500 because he was

00:12:32.060 such a dominant force.

00:12:33.880 Let me just back up

00:12:34.560 a second.

00:12:34.920 Yeah.

00:12:35.420 What I think now is,

00:12:36.700 I think,

00:12:37.420 look at National Review now,

00:12:38.800 it's obviously donor-driven.

00:12:41.800 Oh, of course.

00:12:43.100 And we weren't aware

00:12:44.660 of that in the 90s.

00:12:45.960 I wasn't even aware,

00:12:47.380 I didn't think about

00:12:48.120 the donors' role in politics

00:12:49.480 really until some years

00:12:50.900 later than that.

00:12:52.060 We thought that people

00:12:52.940 just got up and argued

00:12:54.400 and you just simply

00:12:55.040 didn't realize how dominant

00:12:56.120 or how important

00:12:57.980 the donors are.

00:12:58.760 I think now,

00:12:59.320 looking back at it,

00:12:59.960 particularly given,

00:13:01.020 Bill was not as wealthy

00:13:02.680 as he wanted people to think

00:13:04.780 and he depended

00:13:05.900 on National Review

00:13:06.820 financially to a considerable extent.

00:13:09.140 It financed his lifestyle

00:13:10.040 to a considerable extent.

00:13:12.160 And I think-

00:13:12.700 But he depended

00:13:13.480 on the magazine?

00:13:14.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:15.240 I think that's right.

00:13:15.880 I think the rest of us

00:13:16.540 thought the magazine

00:13:17.140 depended on him.

00:13:18.100 Yeah.

00:13:19.140 That's what he wanted you to think.

00:13:20.640 But in fact,

00:13:21.180 it did finance his lifestyle

00:13:22.640 to a considerable extent.

00:13:23.660 The winters in Strad

00:13:26.420 and the sailing across

00:13:27.800 the Bermuda race and-

00:13:29.800 I don't know how much,

00:13:30.820 but there was certainly

00:13:31.840 quite a lot

00:13:32.460 that was deducted

00:13:33.720 or expense

00:13:34.640 to the magazine.

00:13:37.840 In any case,

00:13:38.820 he just didn't want

00:13:40.900 to disrupt the donor flow.

00:13:42.220 And the more I think about that,

00:13:43.380 the more I think

00:13:43.860 that probably was the reason.

00:13:46.000 Interesting.

00:13:46.600 So that's basically

00:13:48.180 a species of fraud.

00:13:50.220 I don't mean

00:13:54.180 against the tax code.

00:13:55.360 I mean,

00:13:55.700 it's intellectual fraud.

00:13:56.980 It's you're making the case

00:13:58.100 that you believe

00:13:59.220 these things

00:13:59.800 because they are true

00:14:00.760 when in fact,

00:14:02.220 you're taking money

00:14:03.140 to say them.

00:14:05.160 I think Bill actually,

00:14:07.280 my experience for Bill

00:14:08.660 is that he actually

00:14:09.140 was not very interested

00:14:09.780 in politics.

00:14:10.920 When he went to

00:14:11.680 his,

00:14:12.660 those dinners

00:14:13.780 he used to put

00:14:14.300 on 73,

00:14:15.340 73rd Street,

00:14:16.480 it was very hard

00:14:17.180 to talk about politics.

00:14:18.340 He was always wandering

00:14:20.360 off in odd directions.

00:14:22.760 And you can see that

00:14:23.760 in the way

00:14:24.100 he lived his life

00:14:25.180 laterally,

00:14:25.680 I mean,

00:14:25.800 writing these books

00:14:26.540 and so on.

00:14:27.100 He just basically

00:14:27.980 didn't do any serious

00:14:28.840 thinking about politics.

00:14:30.440 Initially,

00:14:30.980 he was very,

00:14:31.540 I have a letter from him

00:14:32.360 actually saying

00:14:32.860 how wonderful

00:14:33.380 my immigration story was.

00:14:36.780 Really?

00:14:37.440 Yes.

00:14:37.920 And it was,

00:14:38.680 you know,

00:14:38.880 I forget what he said,

00:14:39.760 but he said

00:14:40.000 it was beautifully

00:14:40.840 organized

00:14:41.380 and beautifully argued

00:14:42.700 and the tone

00:14:43.800 was perfect

00:14:44.360 and that sort of stuff.

00:14:46.600 He never admitted

00:14:47.360 that he changed

00:14:48.140 his mind on immigration.

00:14:49.140 He just said,

00:14:50.660 told them

00:14:51.080 not to stop covering it.

00:14:52.880 But the official line

00:14:54.380 of the magazine

00:14:55.280 was that the immigration

00:14:56.220 was questionable.

00:14:57.760 They just didn't do

00:14:58.420 any journalism on it.

00:14:59.700 Which is how he was

00:15:00.580 about drug legalization.

00:15:02.060 He was officially

00:15:03.460 in favor of drug legalization,

00:15:05.320 but he very rarely

00:15:06.000 let the magazine

00:15:06.760 write about him.

00:15:08.380 Huh.

00:15:08.820 Why?

00:15:09.140 I guess he was balancing

00:15:13.440 a number of issues.

00:15:15.240 In the case of immigration,

00:15:16.660 you know,

00:15:17.080 I think he's done.

00:15:19.320 Immigration was a very

00:15:20.200 unfashionable subject

00:15:21.100 in the other way.

00:15:21.420 I remember.

00:15:21.940 And I think

00:15:27.380 as we were talking

00:15:28.600 earlier,

00:15:29.320 I was watching

00:15:30.500 Ben Shapiro

00:15:31.240 on

00:15:31.840 Megyn Kelly.

00:15:35.000 Megyn Kelly, yes.

00:15:36.720 And he was attacking you

00:15:38.220 for some reason

00:15:38.760 or I forget what.

00:15:40.080 And he was saying

00:15:40.760 that,

00:15:41.540 then he suddenly says,

00:15:42.880 but Tucker's good

00:15:43.460 on some things.

00:15:43.980 He's good in immigration.

00:15:45.460 Well, as I understand

00:15:46.220 that you've,

00:15:46.640 you're interested in the idea

00:15:47.940 of immigration moratorium

00:15:49.040 and so on.

00:15:49.660 Of course.

00:15:50.080 Um, this news to me,

00:15:52.360 that's what Ben Shapiro

00:15:53.160 thinks is good

00:15:53.700 about immigration.

00:15:54.760 I mean,

00:15:55.180 just about five

00:15:55.940 or six years ago

00:15:56.680 in National Review,

00:15:57.660 he called me

00:15:58.140 a white supremacist

00:15:59.100 for basically,

00:15:59.920 for no other reason

00:16:00.840 than advocating

00:16:02.460 immigration reduction.

00:16:03.960 And those days,

00:16:04.760 if you're back

00:16:05.220 in the early days,

00:16:06.160 if you,

00:16:06.400 if you,

00:16:06.960 uh,

00:16:07.840 advocated

00:16:08.900 immigration control,

00:16:10.520 uh,

00:16:10.900 you're immediately suspect,

00:16:12.480 uh,

00:16:12.740 you're immediately suspect

00:16:13.680 of being anti-Semite,

00:16:15.080 even though there's

00:16:15.580 no direct connection at all.

00:16:17.040 And now they've changed

00:16:17.840 their mind on this.

00:16:18.560 They've fallen back.

00:16:19.360 I mean,

00:16:19.480 Norman before he died.

00:16:20.520 I was,

00:16:20.900 I was very friendly

00:16:21.660 with Norman.

00:16:22.120 He didn't talk to me

00:16:22.820 for the last 10 years

00:16:23.540 of his life.

00:16:24.600 But he,

00:16:25.020 he,

00:16:25.320 he died just a few,

00:16:26.520 a few weeks ago

00:16:27.480 at the age of 95.

00:16:28.740 But just before he died,

00:16:30.000 he gave an interview

00:16:30.620 in which he said

00:16:31.140 he changed his mind

00:16:31.900 in immigration.

00:16:32.800 He thought there was a limit

00:16:33.500 to how much immigration

00:16:34.180 could,

00:16:34.500 could be absorbed.

00:16:35.820 And he credited

00:16:36.480 John O'Sullivan,

00:16:37.280 the head of National Review,

00:16:38.140 for helping change his mind.

00:16:39.800 He didn't,

00:16:40.020 he didn't mention me.

00:16:41.500 Why didn't he speak to you

00:16:42.900 for the last 10 years

00:16:43.600 of his life?

00:16:44.120 Well,

00:16:45.940 I just,

00:16:46.400 I think he just decided

00:16:47.380 that I was a suspicious character.

00:16:50.660 And I deviated

00:16:52.300 on the immigration issue.

00:16:53.660 And he suspected,

00:16:54.960 I had the habit

00:16:56.340 of calling the National Review,

00:16:58.520 the Goldberg Review,

00:16:59.600 because at that stage,

00:17:00.680 briefly,

00:17:01.040 it was dominated

00:17:01.620 by John,

00:17:02.140 John Goldberg,

00:17:03.040 who I think is a complete

00:17:03.840 fraud and lightweight.

00:17:05.300 And of course,

00:17:06.000 was absolutely boneheaded

00:17:07.240 on the immigration issue.

00:17:08.240 Well,

00:17:08.340 he's certainly a lightweight.

00:17:09.900 It's hard to know

00:17:10.720 what he believes or doesn't,

00:17:12.480 but he certainly,

00:17:14.140 I mean,

00:17:14.420 if John Goldberg

00:17:15.360 is like your intellectual force,

00:17:17.080 then you've been degraded.

00:17:19.760 Well,

00:17:20.020 Norman actually emailed me

00:17:21.180 and said,

00:17:21.640 you've got to stop calling

00:17:22.780 National Review

00:17:23.300 the Goldberg Review

00:17:24.140 because it sounds anti-Semitic.

00:17:25.960 Actually,

00:17:26.560 my understanding

00:17:27.480 is that Goldberg

00:17:28.640 is not technically Jewish.

00:17:30.380 His mother was a Gentile.

00:17:33.680 I knew her.

00:17:34.360 She was a great person,

00:17:35.200 actually.

00:17:35.940 I replied and said that

00:17:37.680 he didn't get bad.

00:17:38.460 But he just gradually

00:17:39.260 suspected more and more

00:17:41.420 of thought crime.

00:17:42.860 And Norman was

00:17:43.300 an extremely passionate man.

00:17:44.700 He didn't...

00:17:45.640 So famously.

00:17:48.300 He didn't socialize

00:17:52.560 with opponents.

00:17:55.800 I miss him.

00:17:56.800 I really liked him.

00:17:58.200 I was sorry.

00:17:59.020 No,

00:17:59.260 there was a lot about him

00:18:00.160 that was appealing.

00:18:00.960 He was a man of great energy

00:18:02.120 and I admired him

00:18:04.460 in a lot of ways,

00:18:05.180 kind of repulsive in others,

00:18:06.320 but certainly

00:18:07.840 he was not standing still.

00:18:09.300 He was constantly

00:18:09.960 in motion.

00:18:11.440 And I actually...

00:18:12.940 His wife,

00:18:13.620 Mitch Dexter,

00:18:14.180 a lot

00:18:14.420 because she was

00:18:15.420 the chair thing

00:18:16.540 of the Philadelphia Society

00:18:17.660 which is a conservative

00:18:19.120 affinity group.

00:18:20.440 And she invited me

00:18:21.440 to speak on immigration

00:18:22.360 in, I guess,

00:18:24.340 2005.

00:18:26.000 And that's where I met...

00:18:26.940 My first wife

00:18:27.680 had just died

00:18:28.300 and that's where I met

00:18:29.060 my current wife,

00:18:30.020 Lydia,

00:18:30.340 who of course

00:18:30.840 was running

00:18:31.340 the VDARE Foundation

00:18:32.900 with me.

00:18:33.440 She was the publisher

00:18:34.160 of VDARE.com

00:18:35.120 and you've had her on,

00:18:36.280 of course.

00:18:36.760 Oh,

00:18:36.980 of course.

00:18:37.540 And I'm a fan.

00:18:38.780 She's a brave woman

00:18:39.580 and a smart one.

00:18:41.480 May I ask

00:18:42.520 what happened

00:18:43.260 to your relationship

00:18:43.940 with Bill Buckley?

00:18:48.960 I...

00:18:49.640 When he fired

00:18:51.220 John O'Sullivan,

00:18:52.340 I was the only one

00:18:53.580 of the entire staff

00:18:54.320 who went in

00:18:54.800 and asked,

00:18:55.440 why did you fire him?

00:18:57.620 Because...

00:18:57.980 What?

00:18:58.820 Yeah,

00:18:59.340 well,

00:18:59.720 the official line

00:19:00.440 was John had resigned

00:19:01.220 to write a book.

00:19:02.480 That was because

00:19:03.400 John was very popular

00:19:05.040 with the National Review

00:19:06.860 base

00:19:08.840 and the immigration

00:19:09.540 issue was very popular

00:19:12.520 and so he didn't want

00:19:13.160 to admit that

00:19:13.660 he was dumping them both.

00:19:15.900 So he got really ruffled

00:19:17.140 because he wasn't used

00:19:17.900 to being challenged

00:19:18.580 and said,

00:19:19.700 why should I write

00:19:20.560 a book

00:19:21.160 and resigns to write a book

00:19:21.980 and we basically

00:19:24.180 never spoke to each other

00:19:25.120 after that.

00:19:25.940 I mean,

00:19:26.540 I was constructively

00:19:29.220 dismissed

00:19:29.600 from National Review.

00:19:30.240 I got a letter

00:19:30.780 to tell me

00:19:31.160 I was no longer

00:19:31.740 a senior editor

00:19:32.460 which was actually

00:19:33.500 very important

00:19:34.660 in the National Review

00:19:36.820 world

00:19:37.140 because it was run

00:19:38.120 like a fraternity

00:19:39.000 and if you were

00:19:40.540 a senior editor

00:19:40.960 you were automatically

00:19:41.820 invited to all kinds

00:19:42.840 of events

00:19:43.240 and so on

00:19:43.740 and to his dinners

00:19:44.520 and all that kind of thing

00:19:45.500 and I never wrote

00:19:47.780 for it again.

00:19:49.660 Why did they dismiss you

00:19:51.320 do you think?

00:19:52.420 Oh,

00:19:52.640 well,

00:19:52.860 I'm sure that

00:19:53.520 the Washington Bureau

00:19:54.500 was always upset

00:19:55.240 with the immigration issue

00:19:56.220 because it embarrassed them

00:19:58.020 it embarrassed them

00:20:00.020 in Washington cocktail parties

00:20:01.120 you know

00:20:01.520 and he put the Washington Bureau

00:20:03.760 in charge of the magazine

00:20:04.640 so I'm sure

00:20:05.460 they would be happy

00:20:06.340 to do it

00:20:06.920 and they didn't want

00:20:10.420 to write about immigration

00:20:11.200 and I think also

00:20:12.740 you know,

00:20:13.740 mud sticks, Tucker.

00:20:15.360 Mud sticks, yeah.

00:20:16.460 And by this constant

00:20:18.000 whispering campaign

00:20:18.900 of how I was a racist

00:20:20.160 and anti-Semite

00:20:20.920 for raising these issues

00:20:21.840 it sticks

00:20:22.360 and it has stuck

00:20:23.640 so that,

00:20:25.060 you know,

00:20:26.460 even though Ben Shapiro

00:20:27.440 is now in his favor

00:20:28.160 of just talking

00:20:29.100 about immigration

00:20:29.680 I don't see him

00:20:31.180 apologizing to me.

00:20:33.240 No,

00:20:33.840 well,

00:20:34.180 of course not.

00:20:34.740 He doesn't care

00:20:35.360 about you at all

00:20:36.240 or other people at all.

00:20:39.060 I had a really

00:20:39.600 interesting experience recently.

00:20:41.020 Lydia and I

00:20:41.760 were at an ISI

00:20:43.560 book event

00:20:44.560 and I bought

00:20:45.660 Matthew Cotinetti's book

00:20:46.740 I mean,

00:20:46.940 I actually bought it

00:20:47.600 I put down my

00:20:48.320 it's a rotten awful book

00:20:50.280 about the conservative movement

00:20:52.200 says that I was born in Carda

00:20:53.760 which obviously wasn't.

00:20:55.640 Well,

00:20:55.660 he's a silly,

00:20:56.760 I mean,

00:20:57.040 this is Bill Kristolson

00:20:58.640 Bill Kristolson,

00:20:59.640 that's the point.

00:21:00.160 I took it up to him

00:21:00.880 and went,

00:21:01.180 I like to collect

00:21:02.020 inscribed books

00:21:02.920 in fact,

00:21:03.740 I forgot to bring your book

00:21:04.720 I'm sorry

00:21:05.160 but,

00:21:06.160 and he wouldn't sign it.

00:21:08.600 Why?

00:21:08.780 He wouldn't inscribe it.

00:21:10.000 He said,

00:21:10.280 I have nothing to say to you

00:21:11.280 and the really weird thing

00:21:12.680 about this is that

00:21:13.280 on what ground?

00:21:14.080 I mean,

00:21:14.460 I don't think you've ever said

00:21:15.640 that I'm aware of

00:21:16.820 an anti-Semitic thing

00:21:17.720 in your life.

00:21:18.360 I don't think you're

00:21:18.880 an anti-Semite.

00:21:19.860 Well,

00:21:20.460 Cotinetti's a convert of course

00:21:21.760 so he's probably very,

00:21:23.280 you know,

00:21:24.400 particularly ardent

00:21:25.660 but,

00:21:26.380 but,

00:21:26.800 I think the weird thing

00:21:28.160 about this was that

00:21:28.760 Cotinetti had actually

00:21:29.660 written some quite sensible

00:21:30.660 things on immigration

00:21:31.520 which is odd

00:21:32.820 when you think

00:21:33.260 who his father-in-law is.

00:21:34.660 But he said to your face,

00:21:35.600 I won't inscribe your book

00:21:36.940 because I have nothing

00:21:37.760 to say to you?

00:21:38.700 Essentially,

00:21:39.180 yes,

00:21:39.380 that's right.

00:21:40.760 He just wouldn't,

00:21:41.700 he signed it

00:21:42.500 but he wouldn't inscribe it

00:21:43.520 and then he said

00:21:44.280 nothing to say to you.

00:21:46.640 Wow.

00:21:47.800 Yeah,

00:21:48.100 I mean,

00:21:48.940 it's kind of surprising

00:21:49.900 and we live out there

00:21:50.660 in the eastern panhandle

00:21:51.880 of West Virginia

00:21:52.400 and we don't have to

00:21:52.980 face this stuff

00:21:53.560 but I guess

00:21:53.880 when you're in D.C.

00:21:54.560 you face it all the time.

00:21:56.060 Yeah,

00:21:56.340 well,

00:21:56.460 I laughed

00:21:57.540 but I also believe

00:21:58.780 in forgiveness

00:21:59.300 and that's kind of

00:21:59.980 the difference,

00:22:00.620 I think.

00:22:01.160 I mean,

00:22:01.420 we're commanded

00:22:02.000 to believe in forgiveness

00:22:03.000 and to treat people

00:22:03.780 as human beings.

00:22:04.700 And Norman didn't believe that.

00:22:06.000 No,

00:22:06.240 I'm very aware of that.

00:22:07.800 I'm very aware of that.

00:22:09.640 It was a principle

00:22:10.260 position with him.

00:22:11.140 Yeah,

00:22:11.380 it's a principle

00:22:12.380 but it's a satanic principle

00:22:14.420 that you can't forgive

00:22:15.420 other people

00:22:16.020 that is,

00:22:16.620 you're not forgiven

00:22:17.140 if you don't

00:22:17.620 so that's my view

00:22:18.380 but,

00:22:19.140 wow,

00:22:20.060 what a,

00:22:20.400 that's amazing.

00:22:21.440 So you were just cast out.

00:22:23.040 Well,

00:22:23.200 the thing is

00:22:23.540 he'd already signed the book

00:22:24.440 so I couldn't give it,

00:22:25.120 he signed it

00:22:25.640 but I hadn't inscribed it.

00:22:26.300 I couldn't give it back

00:22:26.980 to get my money back.

00:22:29.380 Whereas conversely,

00:22:30.360 Yoram Hazoni was also there

00:22:31.780 and,

00:22:32.420 you know,

00:22:32.820 Hazoni,

00:22:33.340 as you know,

00:22:33.800 banned us from his

00:22:34.700 National Conservative Conference

00:22:35.940 because he said

00:22:37.240 he didn't think

00:22:37.720 we were appropriate

00:22:39.400 and so we have,

00:22:41.940 and we had a series

00:22:43.080 of bitter exchanges

00:22:43.920 in Bidea

00:22:45.060 but Hazoni

00:22:46.040 was perfectly friendly

00:22:46.860 and he signed the book

00:22:47.920 and inscribed it

00:22:48.620 and we chatted

00:22:49.040 about children

00:22:50.060 and grandchildren

00:22:50.640 and so on.

00:22:51.460 Yoram Hazoni

00:22:51.920 is a very courtly man,

00:22:54.000 a very charming

00:22:55.180 and warm person,

00:22:56.920 I'll say.

00:22:57.540 I had lunch with him once

00:22:58.400 and I don't agree

00:22:59.640 with him on a lot

00:23:00.240 but I,

00:23:00.940 I was,

00:23:02.940 I liked him.

00:23:03.700 It's hard not to like him.

00:23:04.580 I think he's very good.

00:23:05.680 A lot of the stuff

00:23:06.520 he says about consumerism

00:23:07.420 isn't exactly accurate.

00:23:08.420 I think that's right.

00:23:09.220 He's moving it away

00:23:09.840 from being classical liberalism.

00:23:13.100 The problem,

00:23:13.860 of course,

00:23:14.120 is that he's caught

00:23:15.640 in this bind

00:23:17.060 because he doesn't want

00:23:17.860 to admit that

00:23:18.460 Israel is an ethnostate

00:23:20.380 because he doesn't want

00:23:22.120 the Americans

00:23:22.420 to have ethnostate.

00:23:23.340 He wants them

00:23:23.700 to be a civic nationalist state.

00:23:29.200 What do you mean

00:23:30.280 won't admit,

00:23:31.180 I mean Israel is

00:23:32.080 by its own description

00:23:33.340 an ethnostate.

00:23:34.620 Yeah,

00:23:34.860 but he keeps arguing

00:23:35.720 that.

00:23:36.640 That's not an attack

00:23:37.500 by the way,

00:23:38.020 at all.

00:23:38.580 Well,

00:23:39.000 you know,

00:23:39.720 I've never been able

00:23:41.080 to get him to explain

00:23:42.220 how you cannot say

00:23:44.460 that there's

00:23:44.880 a racial component

00:23:46.800 to Israel

00:23:47.300 when the Jewish religion

00:23:49.820 is racially based.

00:23:51.380 I mean,

00:23:51.580 that's why they have

00:23:52.400 the matrilineal principle

00:23:54.140 where you've got

00:23:54.900 to have a Jewish mother.

00:23:56.300 And I've never seen him

00:23:57.160 respond to that.

00:23:59.060 And I don't think he can

00:24:00.260 because he doesn't want

00:24:03.180 to encourage

00:24:03.960 straight up white nationalism

00:24:06.040 in America.

00:24:06.940 For years you've been told

00:24:07.920 this is not happening

00:24:08.840 and you're a bigot

00:24:09.600 for thinking it is,

00:24:10.940 but it is happening.

00:24:12.160 Mass migration

00:24:12.820 is reshaping the West

00:24:14.280 completely.

00:24:15.440 It's not a conspiracy theory,

00:24:16.500 it's a fact.

00:24:17.520 Different people

00:24:18.240 live here now.

00:24:20.020 You're not a racist

00:24:20.660 for noticing that,

00:24:21.600 you're just using

00:24:22.240 your senses.

00:24:23.220 Again,

00:24:23.520 it's not a theory,

00:24:24.300 it's the biggest fact

00:24:25.940 of this or any generation

00:24:28.000 in a thousand years.

00:24:29.620 The replacement is real.

00:24:31.320 European governments

00:24:32.080 aren't just tolerating

00:24:32.960 mass migration,

00:24:34.140 they're encouraging it,

00:24:35.600 they're funding it.

00:24:36.840 They hate their populations

00:24:38.000 and they want

00:24:38.760 new populations.

00:24:40.400 We've got a new documentary

00:24:41.340 on this called

00:24:42.080 Replacing Europe,

00:24:43.580 Following the World's

00:24:44.380 Deadliest Migration Route.

00:24:45.620 Our filmmakers

00:24:46.580 follow what nobody

00:24:47.360 wants you to see.

00:24:48.040 They spoke directly

00:24:48.700 with migrants,

00:24:49.840 locals,

00:24:50.440 officials who admit

00:24:51.440 what the public

00:24:52.020 is never told.

00:24:53.660 It's not ideological,

00:24:55.340 it's reality.

00:24:57.080 This is happening,

00:24:58.180 it's destroying the West,

00:24:59.660 and our cameras

00:25:00.960 caught it.

00:25:02.160 Replacing Europe.

00:25:04.460 That's the doc,

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00:25:25.400 I just want to be clear

00:25:26.600 about my own views,

00:25:27.300 not that it matters,

00:25:28.060 but just because

00:25:28.620 I hold them sincerely,

00:25:30.400 I have no problem

00:25:31.400 with the fact that Israel

00:25:32.420 is an ethnostate,

00:25:33.300 it's their country,

00:25:34.160 you can have whatever state

00:25:34.880 you want,

00:25:35.380 as far as I'm concerned.

00:25:37.300 But it is an ethnostate,

00:25:39.000 by definition.

00:25:40.640 The people who founded it

00:25:41.640 were not religious,

00:25:42.600 a lot of them were atheists,

00:25:44.280 and they identified

00:25:45.900 as Jewish racially.

00:25:48.300 Again,

00:25:48.820 I have no problem

00:25:49.520 with that at all,

00:25:50.060 that's their country.

00:25:51.400 But to say it's not

00:25:52.300 an ethnostate

00:25:53.040 is not only a lie,

00:25:54.280 but it's like

00:25:54.700 a ludicrous lie.

00:25:56.280 And he won't admit that?

00:25:58.560 That's my reading

00:26:00.280 of what he wants,

00:26:01.060 as only as saying.

00:26:02.360 But it's one

00:26:03.160 of the situations

00:26:03.860 where his civic

00:26:04.600 nationalism is so intense

00:26:05.860 that it might just as well

00:26:06.760 be ethnic nationalism

00:26:07.520 for the U.S.

00:26:08.840 But a lot of things

00:26:09.480 he says about immigration

00:26:10.500 to the U.S.

00:26:11.020 are excellent.

00:26:12.540 Right, I agree.

00:26:13.200 And I'm not attacking

00:26:14.140 Yoram Hazzoni at all,

00:26:15.440 whom I like,

00:26:16.640 but that's dishonest

00:26:18.200 because Israel

00:26:19.340 is an ethnostate,

00:26:21.540 and you should just

00:26:22.520 tell the truth about,

00:26:23.780 especially about

00:26:24.240 obvious things, right?

00:26:25.440 Well, it's what

00:26:25.940 all we call

00:26:26.340 double-think, isn't it?

00:26:27.620 It's double-think.

00:26:29.020 You've got to believe

00:26:29.620 two contradictory things

00:26:30.560 at once,

00:26:31.020 and it's necessary

00:26:31.740 to operate

00:26:32.200 in large parts

00:26:33.940 of the political world.

00:26:36.240 Interesting.

00:26:36.920 So, but why wouldn't

00:26:38.400 people who support

00:26:40.200 an ethnostate

00:26:41.000 in Israel

00:26:41.620 want one here?

00:26:43.320 I mean,

00:26:43.540 why would they

00:26:44.320 object to that

00:26:44.980 so strongly?

00:26:45.620 I mean, of course,

00:26:46.200 this is the profound

00:26:46.940 question about

00:26:47.800 the American-Jewish role

00:26:49.480 in the American

00:26:50.000 immigration debate.

00:26:50.860 They're overwhelmingly

00:26:51.600 pro-immigration.

00:26:52.840 However, having said that,

00:26:54.360 you know,

00:26:55.120 typically,

00:26:56.340 if you know

00:26:56.860 anything about Jewish

00:26:57.360 intellectual life,

00:26:58.160 you know there are

00:26:58.560 people on the other

00:26:59.200 side,

00:27:00.040 and some people

00:27:00.740 are very hard

00:27:01.160 on the other side.

00:27:01.920 Oh, and I know

00:27:02.740 a lot of them.

00:27:03.580 That's why I would

00:27:04.140 never be anti-Semitic,

00:27:05.180 because I mean,

00:27:06.040 you can't generalize,

00:27:07.520 you know.

00:27:08.400 I mean, I have a hunch

00:27:10.340 that Stephen Miller,

00:27:11.600 who, of course,

00:27:12.420 is an aide to Trump,

00:27:14.620 I think he's the

00:27:15.040 deputy chief of staff

00:27:16.000 or something,

00:27:16.380 he's going to be

00:27:16.960 the first Jewish

00:27:17.640 president.

00:27:18.600 I say this because

00:27:19.380 it's hard to

00:27:19.840 prosper,

00:27:20.280 it horrifies people

00:27:20.960 so much.

00:27:22.460 But he's like

00:27:23.180 Disraeli in Britain.

00:27:24.240 Benjamin Disraeli,

00:27:25.060 of course,

00:27:25.320 was Jewish,

00:27:25.780 but converted

00:27:27.400 to Episcopalianism,

00:27:29.320 he was converted

00:27:30.360 by his father

00:27:30.920 at a very early age,

00:27:32.060 his father

00:27:32.680 took the whole family

00:27:34.400 over to being

00:27:35.160 Episcopalians.

00:27:36.600 He basically

00:27:37.460 invented the

00:27:38.480 Conservative Party,

00:27:39.600 reinvented the

00:27:40.380 Conservative Party

00:27:40.900 in the 19th century,

00:27:41.760 came up with,

00:27:42.260 in Britain,

00:27:42.780 he came up with

00:27:43.320 a complete grand

00:27:44.100 strategy for it

00:27:44.800 based on the empire

00:27:45.780 and imperial patriotism

00:27:48.320 and so on.

00:27:49.140 And that really

00:27:49.680 carried the party

00:27:50.460 through for the

00:27:52.400 next,

00:27:52.700 eight to

00:27:56.220 90 years.

00:27:58.720 A couple of

00:27:59.340 generations,

00:27:59.940 the Conservative Party

00:28:00.420 in Britain was a

00:28:01.320 nationalist party

00:28:02.100 and because of

00:28:03.540 being a nationalist

00:28:04.260 party,

00:28:04.740 got a very

00:28:05.180 substantial

00:28:05.720 working class

00:28:07.460 vote because

00:28:08.640 it is the blue

00:28:09.940 collar workers

00:28:10.500 who are the

00:28:10.780 patriots.

00:28:11.280 and the

00:28:13.980 Conservative Party

00:28:14.560 was able to

00:28:15.040 tap into that.

00:28:16.040 Miller's done

00:28:16.700 the same thing.

00:28:17.920 He's invented

00:28:18.520 a grand strategy

00:28:19.960 for the Republican

00:28:20.540 Party which he

00:28:21.240 desperately doesn't

00:28:21.780 want to take up

00:28:23.200 because it's run

00:28:24.820 by cowards and

00:28:25.560 fools.

00:28:26.440 But he thinks

00:28:27.560 they should move

00:28:28.940 towards,

00:28:29.600 you know,

00:28:32.800 re-stabilizing

00:28:34.060 America's

00:28:34.600 ethnic balance

00:28:35.300 and basically

00:28:37.000 eliminating this

00:28:38.700 immigrant inflow

00:28:39.440 which is causing

00:28:40.020 all kinds of

00:28:40.580 problems for lower

00:28:41.320 skilled workers

00:28:42.040 and ultimately

00:28:43.060 changing the

00:28:44.000 racial balance.

00:28:45.340 And he's not

00:28:45.840 afraid to admit

00:28:46.460 that.

00:28:47.300 And not only

00:28:50.480 that but

00:28:51.000 I don't think

00:28:51.560 anyone should be

00:28:52.460 afraid.

00:28:53.020 He has the cunning

00:28:53.260 to survive the

00:28:54.160 Kushner White

00:28:54.700 House.

00:28:55.440 I mean that was

00:28:56.140 really extraordinary

00:28:56.640 because Jared Kushner

00:28:57.700 of course bleeds

00:28:58.200 exactly the opposite.

00:28:59.000 He's basically a

00:28:59.480 liberal New York

00:29:00.020 Jew.

00:29:00.780 But for some

00:29:01.320 reason Miller was

00:29:01.920 able to survive

00:29:02.660 with him.

00:29:03.840 I couldn't have

00:29:04.440 done that.

00:29:05.480 So,

00:29:06.160 and I

00:29:08.300 wouldn't have

00:29:09.060 abandoned Jeff

00:29:10.080 Sessions in the

00:29:10.720 way that he

00:29:11.120 did.

00:29:11.460 The Sessions

00:29:11.760 was his

00:29:12.440 close aide

00:29:13.060 and was his

00:29:14.460 mentor and

00:29:15.500 then Miller

00:29:16.500 abandons him

00:29:17.420 when Trump

00:29:17.780 turns against

00:29:18.320 him.

00:29:18.600 I couldn't

00:29:18.960 have done

00:29:19.200 that either

00:29:19.580 but then

00:29:20.000 he's in the

00:29:20.680 White House

00:29:21.000 and I'm

00:29:21.280 not.

00:29:21.960 Yeah,

00:29:22.280 no,

00:29:22.560 I think

00:29:22.820 those are

00:29:23.140 all fair

00:29:24.440 and true

00:29:25.260 observations.

00:29:27.460 It's

00:29:27.900 interesting

00:29:28.340 though

00:29:28.700 the degree

00:29:30.720 to which

00:29:31.200 the immigration

00:29:32.020 project

00:29:33.600 is a

00:29:35.240 demographic

00:29:36.240 project.

00:29:36.960 I mean

00:29:37.440 it has

00:29:38.140 almost

00:29:38.520 explicitly

00:29:39.060 been an

00:29:39.580 effort

00:29:39.780 to make

00:29:40.240 America

00:29:40.660 less

00:29:41.200 white.

00:29:41.760 They'll

00:29:41.920 say that.

00:29:43.380 It's not

00:29:43.820 controversial.

00:29:44.800 I mean

00:29:44.960 you could

00:29:45.240 prove it

00:29:46.340 on video

00:29:46.960 or didn't

00:29:47.680 even bother

00:29:48.240 to because

00:29:48.720 I think

00:29:48.940 most people

00:29:49.240 watching this

00:29:49.640 already know

00:29:50.060 that.

00:29:50.980 It's

00:29:51.160 architects

00:29:51.640 starting with

00:29:52.420 Teddy Kennedy

00:29:53.000 in 1965

00:29:53.760 basically just

00:29:54.480 said,

00:29:55.620 ultimately

00:29:56.080 admitted,

00:29:57.020 the whole

00:29:57.460 point is to

00:29:57.900 make America

00:29:58.380 less white

00:29:58.880 a non-majority

00:30:00.120 white country.

00:30:00.700 why is

00:30:03.360 it so

00:30:03.720 hard for

00:30:04.660 conservatives

00:30:05.900 to say

00:30:06.720 the same?

00:30:07.680 If

00:30:07.860 Democrats

00:30:08.220 are saying

00:30:08.660 we want

00:30:09.060 America

00:30:09.400 to be

00:30:09.680 non-white,

00:30:10.420 why can't

00:30:11.020 conservatives

00:30:11.460 say that

00:30:13.320 that's what

00:30:13.620 their motive

00:30:13.980 is?

00:30:14.820 I have to

00:30:15.560 say that

00:30:16.000 Kennedy

00:30:16.260 didn't say

00:30:16.860 that.

00:30:18.440 At first.

00:30:19.960 When he was

00:30:20.380 the floor

00:30:20.700 manager of the

00:30:21.260 Hartzellar,

00:30:21.900 he gave

00:30:22.200 a very

00:30:22.540 explicit

00:30:23.020 assurance

00:30:23.440 saying that

00:30:24.960 this will

00:30:25.480 not alter

00:30:26.200 the racial

00:30:27.020 balance of

00:30:27.540 America and

00:30:28.440 it will not

00:30:28.980 mean a

00:30:29.500 million people

00:30:30.040 a year

00:30:30.220 will be

00:30:30.440 coming in

00:30:30.840 whereas in

00:30:31.120 fact a million

00:30:31.740 people a year

00:30:32.160 are coming

00:30:32.840 in.

00:30:33.340 And that's

00:30:33.980 one of the

00:30:34.400 reasons I

00:30:34.780 bitterly regret

00:30:35.520 not having

00:30:36.200 a VDAIR

00:30:36.820 even though I

00:30:37.900 have my own

00:30:38.540 peterbrummel.com

00:30:41.200 sub-stack.

00:30:42.240 That's not the

00:30:42.820 same kind of

00:30:43.740 voice because

00:30:44.280 we've got to

00:30:44.820 get legal

00:30:45.240 immigration into

00:30:45.860 the debate

00:30:46.620 here.

00:30:47.840 I think what

00:30:48.600 Trump has done

00:30:49.220 on illegal

00:30:49.840 immigration is

00:30:50.480 remarkable and

00:30:51.280 more remarkable

00:30:52.880 than people

00:30:53.500 realize but

00:30:54.160 we're not doing

00:30:55.140 anything on

00:30:55.580 legal immigration.

00:30:56.960 But I'm

00:30:57.280 sorry that means

00:30:58.060 I've not

00:30:58.300 answered your

00:30:58.660 question.

00:30:59.020 What was your

00:30:59.360 question?

00:30:59.680 Well my

00:31:00.120 question was

00:31:00.700 the whole

00:31:01.900 point of the

00:31:02.460 project was

00:31:03.380 not to

00:31:04.040 like feed a

00:31:05.040 desperate need

00:31:05.700 for low

00:31:06.260 skilled labor.

00:31:07.280 That definitely

00:31:08.360 no longer

00:31:08.760 exists now

00:31:09.340 with AI.

00:31:10.980 And it

00:31:12.120 wasn't to

00:31:12.680 improve

00:31:13.340 America.

00:31:14.420 It's completely

00:31:15.020 destroyed America.

00:31:15.920 It destroyed the

00:31:16.400 state of California.

00:31:17.000 Well when I

00:31:17.980 was writing the

00:31:19.320 book I wrote on

00:31:19.960 immigration alienation

00:31:21.260 that flowed out

00:31:21.940 of my cover

00:31:22.400 story, the

00:31:22.940 95 book, which

00:31:24.380 Harper Collins

00:31:24.900 refused to

00:31:25.400 reprint, I

00:31:27.560 quoted a man

00:31:28.240 called Earl

00:31:28.680 Raab who

00:31:29.500 was a Jewish

00:31:30.260 activist and

00:31:30.980 so on.

00:31:31.260 And he

00:31:31.460 explicitly said

00:31:32.420 that Jews

00:31:33.480 were in

00:31:33.760 favor of

00:31:35.460 mass non-white

00:31:37.760 immigration because

00:31:38.480 it makes the

00:31:39.020 rise of a,

00:31:40.500 I didn't use the

00:31:41.400 term neo-Nazi

00:31:42.080 but that's

00:31:42.460 what he

00:31:42.680 meant, you

00:31:43.960 know, party

00:31:45.140 in America

00:31:46.140 impossible.

00:31:47.580 In fact he

00:31:47.940 does the exact

00:31:48.340 opposite, it

00:31:48.780 makes it more

00:31:49.280 likely.

00:31:49.600 Well exactly.

00:31:51.380 But he did

00:31:52.020 say that.

00:31:53.220 He quite

00:31:54.080 calmly said

00:31:54.760 that this is

00:31:55.180 why most

00:31:55.880 Jews favor

00:31:56.880 immigration.

00:31:57.840 Well it's

00:31:58.120 also made

00:31:58.660 the rise of

00:31:59.600 hard-edged

00:32:01.020 anti-Israel

00:32:01.860 politics.

00:32:03.560 And I'm

00:32:03.920 not pro-Israel

00:32:05.340 especially but I

00:32:06.320 don't hate

00:32:06.980 Israel.

00:32:07.640 A lot of

00:32:08.080 people who

00:32:08.420 hate Israel

00:32:09.020 are immigrants.

00:32:10.600 Look at the

00:32:11.440 New York's

00:32:11.820 New York

00:32:12.160 marriage.

00:32:13.060 Well exactly.

00:32:13.640 Vandami won

00:32:14.280 because the

00:32:14.700 immigrant vote.

00:32:15.260 Exactly.

00:32:16.120 Exactly.

00:32:16.760 The native-born

00:32:17.640 American New

00:32:19.140 Yorkers, and

00:32:20.060 God knows, look

00:32:20.760 at who they

00:32:21.140 are for God's

00:32:21.740 sake.

00:32:22.080 I mean, but

00:32:22.980 they voted

00:32:23.380 against Vandami.

00:32:24.980 Exactly.

00:32:26.060 So they

00:32:27.220 really screwed

00:32:27.720 themselves up.

00:32:28.200 This hasn't

00:32:28.660 worked.

00:32:30.040 I mean if

00:32:30.480 your interest

00:32:31.260 was to keep

00:32:32.300 anti-Semitism

00:32:33.800 and really kind

00:32:34.940 of crazy

00:32:35.480 anti-Israel

00:32:36.200 sentiment to a

00:32:36.940 minimum, and

00:32:37.580 I agree with

00:32:38.000 that.

00:32:38.240 I'm against

00:32:38.580 anti-Semitism,

00:32:39.460 I'm against

00:32:39.840 basing your

00:32:40.560 life on

00:32:40.880 hating Israel,

00:32:41.440 that seems

00:32:42.240 kind of

00:32:42.640 lunatic.

00:32:44.520 If that was

00:32:45.220 your goal, I

00:32:46.320 mean you

00:32:46.720 literally achieved

00:32:48.000 the opposite

00:32:48.420 result.

00:32:49.440 Is that fair

00:32:50.020 to say?

00:32:50.360 Not for the

00:32:50.700 first time.

00:32:51.780 Yeah.

00:32:52.100 Fair.

00:32:52.460 Fair.

00:32:55.160 So you

00:32:55.680 think maybe

00:32:56.600 that wasn't

00:32:57.220 the goal.

00:32:57.680 I don't know.

00:32:58.280 I'm just

00:32:58.620 guessing here.

00:32:59.260 Maybe there

00:32:59.580 was another

00:32:59.880 goal that we

00:33:00.440 don't understand.

00:33:01.020 Well, I

00:33:02.160 think a lot

00:33:02.700 of it is

00:33:03.260 deeply

00:33:03.920 emotional

00:33:05.720 and can't

00:33:07.860 be analyzed

00:33:08.720 intellectually.

00:33:09.920 It's just a

00:33:10.380 whole series

00:33:10.800 of reflexes.

00:33:12.080 Or spiritual.

00:33:12.840 But you

00:33:13.160 know,

00:33:14.300 one of the

00:33:15.660 reasons,

00:33:16.220 we know that

00:33:17.420 the New York

00:33:18.840 Attorney General

00:33:19.560 attack on us

00:33:20.380 was basically

00:33:23.160 instigated by the

00:33:24.180 Anti-Defamation

00:33:24.940 League because

00:33:26.640 a journalist we

00:33:27.700 know actually

00:33:28.140 got the ADL

00:33:29.120 to admit this,

00:33:30.240 that they had

00:33:30.620 gone to

00:33:30.940 Letitia James

00:33:32.000 and told her

00:33:32.520 to take

00:33:32.980 Fideira out.

00:33:34.580 And we say

00:33:35.060 to ourselves,

00:33:35.580 why us Jews?

00:33:36.900 What have we

00:33:37.280 ever done to you?

00:33:38.080 You know,

00:33:38.360 we have the

00:33:38.780 Berkeley Springs

00:33:39.340 Castle in West

00:33:40.220 Virginia,

00:33:40.680 which we bought

00:33:41.240 as a conference

00:33:41.820 venue because we're

00:33:42.420 not allowed to

00:33:42.860 have conferences

00:33:43.280 anywhere else.

00:33:44.660 The donor was

00:33:45.180 Jewish.

00:33:46.120 We had all

00:33:47.700 kinds of Jewish

00:33:48.280 donors and all

00:33:48.780 kinds of Jewish

00:33:49.200 writers.

00:33:51.080 But that doesn't

00:33:51.620 make any difference

00:33:52.240 to the ADL

00:33:54.220 apparently.

00:33:55.100 So what are you

00:33:56.340 going to do

00:33:57.140 when the

00:33:57.640 power goes out?

00:33:58.940 Not theoretically,

00:34:00.040 but actually in

00:34:01.080 real life.

00:34:02.340 Most Americans

00:34:02.800 used to think

00:34:03.620 total power

00:34:04.460 failure only

00:34:05.220 happened in

00:34:05.840 unstable countries,

00:34:06.840 places without

00:34:07.320 functioning governments,

00:34:08.640 places you only

00:34:10.060 went to on

00:34:10.560 vacation.

00:34:11.340 This is the U.S.

00:34:12.220 people would say

00:34:12.680 that could never

00:34:13.200 happen here.

00:34:14.400 Okay.

00:34:15.560 Well, then it

00:34:16.220 did.

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00:34:17.600 during the deep

00:34:18.300 freeze?

00:34:19.280 The grid

00:34:19.760 collapsed.

00:34:20.380 People were

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00:34:21.220 heat.

00:34:21.680 Some froze to

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00:35:24.820 Now to what happened

00:35:25.740 to you and to VDARE.

00:35:26.940 So you're expelled

00:35:28.360 both from National

00:35:30.380 Review and you leave

00:35:31.460 your old life as a

00:35:32.340 financial journalist

00:35:33.000 behind.

00:35:34.500 I think it's a fair

00:35:35.580 summary.

00:35:35.980 And then you create

00:35:36.680 this organization

00:35:37.320 called VDARE, named

00:35:38.460 after Virginia

00:35:39.140 DARE, the first

00:35:39.800 British child born

00:35:41.100 in the Americas.

00:35:42.860 And it becomes

00:35:43.740 successful.

00:35:44.220 It becomes big.

00:35:45.060 And it's not

00:35:46.340 anti-Semitic.

00:35:47.180 It's not racist.

00:35:47.900 It's against changing

00:35:49.720 America's population

00:35:50.900 through immigration.

00:35:51.640 Is that a fair

00:35:52.060 summary?

00:35:52.700 Yeah.

00:35:53.020 I stayed in

00:35:53.600 financial journalism

00:35:54.380 for a long time.

00:35:55.920 VDARE was kind of

00:35:56.600 a moonlighting project.

00:35:58.640 How'd you pull that

00:35:59.380 off?

00:36:00.440 It was very difficult.

00:36:01.500 And of course

00:36:01.900 it eventually

00:36:02.660 became impossible.

00:36:05.280 And I was fired

00:36:07.360 both from Forbes

00:36:08.300 and from CBS.

00:36:10.740 What used to be

00:36:11.540 CBS Market Watch

00:36:12.320 became Dow Jones

00:36:13.100 Market Watch.

00:36:13.680 in both cases

00:36:14.840 it was during

00:36:15.880 turn downs

00:36:17.420 in the markets.

00:36:18.360 But I happened

00:36:18.940 to be the one

00:36:19.660 you know

00:36:20.500 they chose

00:36:22.740 to find me

00:36:23.320 rather than people

00:36:23.900 who were frankly

00:36:24.460 less valuable to them.

00:36:26.320 So it did

00:36:27.260 in the end

00:36:28.140 terminate my career

00:36:30.220 in the mainstream media.

00:36:31.760 But on the other hand

00:36:32.680 you know

00:36:32.940 we were developing

00:36:33.740 VDARE very rapidly

00:36:34.900 and it became

00:36:35.540 quite a big deal.

00:36:37.540 and in 2019

00:36:39.840 we raised nearly

00:36:40.680 four million dollars

00:36:41.520 which enabled us

00:36:42.100 to buy the castle

00:36:42.820 and do all kinds

00:36:43.480 of other things.

00:36:44.240 Of course

00:36:44.500 you know

00:36:45.640 it's been

00:36:46.680 utterly destroyed now.

00:36:48.340 I've been

00:36:48.740 out of it

00:36:50.760 for you know

00:36:51.500 it was suspended

00:36:52.160 two years ago

00:36:52.760 and I resigned.

00:36:53.640 So you know

00:36:54.220 I'm supporting

00:36:54.960 the family now

00:36:55.620 on pensions

00:36:56.960 and savings

00:36:58.040 and so on.

00:36:59.080 And I do have

00:36:59.700 a family.

00:37:00.260 I have minor children

00:37:01.340 so it's kind of irritating.

00:37:04.100 Irritating

00:37:04.580 doesn't begin

00:37:05.260 to describe it.

00:37:06.340 So

00:37:06.480 tell the story

00:37:07.940 if you would.

00:37:08.720 You're running

00:37:09.220 VDARE

00:37:10.040 and

00:37:11.320 somehow

00:37:12.360 Letitia James

00:37:13.540 who's the

00:37:13.920 Attorney General

00:37:15.620 of New York.

00:37:16.420 VDARE is a 5.1c3 charity

00:37:18.100 and it was registered

00:37:18.800 in New York

00:37:19.220 in 1999

00:37:20.040 entirely because

00:37:21.780 I then pro bono lawyer

00:37:23.280 happened to be

00:37:24.160 barred in New York

00:37:25.000 and therefore

00:37:25.540 that it was convenient

00:37:26.660 for him.

00:37:27.880 And this was when

00:37:28.920 you know

00:37:32.300 there was a

00:37:32.600 Republican governor

00:37:33.160 in New York

00:37:33.720 and nobody

00:37:34.200 ever heard of

00:37:34.660 lawfare

00:37:35.080 nobody heard of it.

00:37:35.780 The idea of lawfare

00:37:37.020 that this kind of

00:37:37.780 exploitation

00:37:39.660 of

00:37:40.460 regulatory

00:37:42.800 power

00:37:43.620 never occurred

00:37:44.560 to anybody

00:37:44.920 at that point.

00:37:46.040 Well because

00:37:46.600 we registered in New York

00:37:47.320 even though we don't

00:37:47.880 operate in New York

00:37:48.640 she was able to demand

00:37:50.060 we one day

00:37:51.120 woke up and found

00:37:51.800 we got these

00:37:52.240 massive subpoenas

00:37:53.620 demanding all kinds

00:37:56.080 of documents

00:37:56.540 including all our email

00:37:57.640 going back to

00:37:58.420 2016.

00:38:00.100 And of course

00:38:00.420 that was a huge problem

00:38:01.280 because if she got that

00:38:02.460 she would have the names

00:38:03.300 of our donors

00:38:03.980 and our anonymous

00:38:05.240 pseudonymous writers

00:38:06.460 and I had people

00:38:08.200 writing for me

00:38:08.880 whose career

00:38:09.360 would have been ruined

00:38:10.080 if they were fired.

00:38:11.880 May I ask him

00:38:12.400 what

00:38:12.600 okay so you're not

00:38:13.720 domiciled in New York

00:38:14.540 you're not operating

00:38:15.260 in New York

00:38:15.700 you're not

00:38:16.020 we registered in New York

00:38:17.360 that's the key point

00:38:18.040 but the 501c3

00:38:19.360 is registered in New York

00:38:20.460 that's right

00:38:20.840 and you can't get out

00:38:22.360 you've got to have

00:38:23.660 her permission to get out

00:38:24.640 and you know

00:38:25.200 you can't change states?

00:38:27.100 No

00:38:27.340 we can only with her permission

00:38:29.480 and in some circumstances

00:38:31.780 if we were to set up

00:38:32.560 another 501c3

00:38:33.920 and start operating

00:38:34.720 out of that

00:38:35.140 she would claim

00:38:35.740 that we were transferring

00:38:36.700 assets

00:38:37.000 and she would claim

00:38:37.680 jurisdiction over that

00:38:38.600 it's a huge mess

00:38:39.500 and we had very expensive

00:38:41.340 lawyers looking at it

00:38:42.140 for a long time

00:38:42.780 even before she came along

00:38:44.120 and hit us with this.

00:38:44.960 May I ask

00:38:46.640 on what grounds

00:38:47.540 she issued subpoenas

00:38:48.580 to you?

00:38:48.920 She doesn't have

00:38:49.700 to give grounds

00:38:50.480 but what she said

00:38:52.380 was she wanted

00:38:52.840 to investigate

00:38:53.340 the castle purchase

00:38:54.340 which we did in 2000

00:38:56.300 or more accurate

00:38:57.140 I should say

00:38:57.580 Lydia did in 2000

00:38:58.720 because as you know

00:39:00.420 we had

00:39:00.800 maybe a dozen

00:39:02.440 depends how you count

00:39:03.540 but a dozen

00:39:04.020 15 conferences cancelled

00:39:05.640 hotels would accept

00:39:07.400 a booking

00:39:07.800 then they would cancelled

00:39:08.540 as soon as they came

00:39:09.180 under pressure

00:39:09.680 from the left

00:39:10.360 and we realised

00:39:11.440 we were never going

00:39:12.000 to be able to have

00:39:12.700 a conference

00:39:14.300 so we bought

00:39:15.440 our own venue

00:39:16.080 and she wanted

00:39:17.640 to investigate that

00:39:18.440 well of course

00:39:19.220 all that purchase

00:39:21.280 was very carefully

00:39:22.200 lawed

00:39:22.560 precisely because

00:39:23.240 we knew she would

00:39:23.880 want to investigate it

00:39:24.880 but it doesn't

00:39:25.840 make any difference

00:39:26.440 she demands that

00:39:27.220 and she demanded

00:39:27.900 that

00:39:28.100 and she demanded

00:39:28.880 all kinds of

00:39:29.460 other things

00:39:29.980 the really killing

00:39:31.040 thing for us

00:39:31.540 was demanding

00:39:32.000 all the email

00:39:32.640 we had to turn

00:39:33.380 over more than

00:39:33.880 a million documents

00:39:34.740 we

00:39:35.400 the really killing

00:39:37.500 thing was demanding

00:39:38.140 the email

00:39:38.480 because we know

00:39:39.160 if she got

00:39:39.620 the writers

00:39:40.100 names

00:39:41.180 and the donors

00:39:41.900 names

00:39:42.160 she would release them

00:39:43.020 she did that

00:39:43.480 with Nikki Haley

00:39:44.120 they leaked

00:39:45.040 the donors

00:39:46.820 to her pack

00:39:47.600 and the papers

00:39:49.320 that you saw

00:39:50.960 that gave

00:39:52.060 the names

00:39:52.840 of Nikki Haley's

00:39:54.520 donors

00:39:55.040 were actually

00:39:55.900 the letterhead

00:39:56.900 was the New York

00:39:57.540 Attorney General's

00:39:58.400 office

00:39:59.040 but of course

00:40:00.980 nobody ever came

00:40:01.520 after her

00:40:01.840 I'm just confused

00:40:03.480 did she have evidence

00:40:04.880 she committed a crime

00:40:05.860 no

00:40:06.160 she was looking

00:40:06.820 for evidence

00:40:07.300 and she's not found it

00:40:09.180 but she's charged us

00:40:09.860 anyway

00:40:10.160 well she hasn't charged us

00:40:11.160 it's not a criminal

00:40:11.760 thing but she's

00:40:13.660 suing us

00:40:14.680 anyway

00:40:14.980 my impression

00:40:16.220 my guess

00:40:17.180 my guess

00:40:18.120 is that the Trump

00:40:19.100 administration

00:40:19.600 will begin to

00:40:21.240 ignore

00:40:21.860 the courts

00:40:23.320 in some cases

00:40:24.580 and people will say

00:40:26.360 that this is

00:40:27.080 the beginning

00:40:27.660 of fascism

00:40:29.080 and a takeover

00:40:29.860 of the destruction

00:40:31.100 of our legal system

00:40:31.760 and you know

00:40:33.160 that's a fair point

00:40:34.500 no it's not a fair point

00:40:36.400 well exactly

00:40:37.060 that's exactly

00:40:38.680 what I'm about to say

00:40:39.520 exactly

00:40:40.300 it has already

00:40:42.380 been destroyed

00:40:43.060 and when the

00:40:43.500 Attorney General

00:40:44.120 of the state

00:40:44.500 you don't live

00:40:45.180 or operate in

00:40:46.020 can destroy you

00:40:47.060 because she doesn't

00:40:47.660 like your opinions

00:40:48.480 then we don't have

00:40:49.240 a functioning

00:40:49.640 legal system

00:40:50.520 period

00:40:51.080 and this happened

00:40:51.840 before Trump

00:40:52.400 so I just want

00:40:53.440 to say that

00:40:53.940 the wonderful

00:40:54.640 I mean

00:40:54.980 well you know

00:40:56.320 one of the wonderful

00:40:57.180 things

00:40:57.560 back up a second

00:40:58.800 one wonderful thing

00:41:00.400 that has happened

00:41:00.980 within the last year

00:41:01.860 is that a very

00:41:02.740 enterprising journalist

00:41:03.700 actually dug up

00:41:04.880 a speech made

00:41:05.720 to the ADL

00:41:06.720 they had a conference

00:41:07.500 called

00:41:07.840 taking hate

00:41:08.920 to court

00:41:09.480 by Rick Sawyer

00:41:11.540 who is one of

00:41:12.260 Letitia James operatives

00:41:14.160 and he is the one

00:41:15.880 who's leading the charge

00:41:16.720 against us

00:41:17.380 and he said

00:41:19.340 to this conference

00:41:21.460 that hate speech

00:41:23.180 that's us

00:41:23.680 hate speech

00:41:24.540 is protected

00:41:25.440 by the First Amendment

00:41:26.340 but there are ways

00:41:27.700 around that

00:41:28.300 all you have to do

00:41:29.380 if it's a charity

00:41:30.700 and you have jurisdiction

00:41:31.780 is to start issuing

00:41:32.520 subpoenas

00:41:33.040 he said

00:41:33.660 it sucks

00:41:34.040 to be sued

00:41:34.640 just subpoenaed them

00:41:35.660 to death

00:41:36.100 and of course

00:41:37.720 that's exactly

00:41:38.180 what he's done to us

00:41:38.920 you know

00:41:40.000 they inflicted

00:41:40.660 over a million

00:41:41.260 nearly a million

00:41:41.820 and a half dollars

00:41:42.500 in out of pocket costs

00:41:43.640 for lawyers

00:41:44.100 and so on

00:41:44.640 let alone

00:41:45.320 the hundreds of hours

00:41:46.460 that lady had to spend

00:41:47.340 digging through documents

00:41:48.160 and so on

00:41:48.680 which meant that

00:41:49.260 she couldn't fundraise

00:41:50.120 or do any of the work

00:41:50.960 they just

00:41:51.960 destroy you

00:41:53.500 through the process

00:41:54.820 of the punishment

00:41:55.320 they just destroy you

00:41:56.060 that way

00:41:56.280 so he's actually

00:41:57.020 openly admitting this

00:41:58.060 so when we saw this

00:41:59.140 we thought

00:41:59.420 oh it's all over

00:42:00.120 they've obviously

00:42:00.900 admitted that

00:42:01.600 what they're doing

00:42:02.660 is not

00:42:03.020 it's political

00:42:03.500 it's not

00:42:03.880 because of some

00:42:04.820 regulatory concern

00:42:05.740 but we've been

00:42:07.000 totally unable

00:42:07.540 to get the federal court

00:42:08.400 to pay attention

00:42:08.960 to this

00:42:10.420 we're trying again

00:42:12.960 now we have

00:42:13.620 we have what they call

00:42:15.400 a 983 action

00:42:16.560 against Letitia James

00:42:18.200 and the operatives

00:42:18.980 personally

00:42:19.540 and we're trying

00:42:20.220 to raise

00:42:20.600 this first amendment

00:42:22.220 question there

00:42:23.020 but the courts

00:42:24.940 have been extremely

00:42:25.520 resistant to looking at it

00:42:26.800 I mean

00:42:27.980 if the attorney

00:42:29.500 and general

00:42:29.800 and her staff

00:42:30.400 are admitting

00:42:30.900 they're destroying you

00:42:32.260 because they disagree

00:42:33.120 with your opinions

00:42:34.140 it seems to me

00:42:35.860 that any federal court

00:42:37.120 would take that up

00:42:37.680 because that's a

00:42:38.200 foundational question

00:42:39.360 that's what we thought

00:42:40.780 but in fact

00:42:42.480 they didn't

00:42:42.920 the first time

00:42:45.160 we did it

00:42:45.540 the courts

00:42:46.060 simply dodged

00:42:46.640 on the technical issue

00:42:47.580 they came up

00:42:49.840 with a technical

00:42:50.320 excuse to dodge

00:42:51.080 in

00:42:51.260 and we have

00:42:53.380 we're trying again

00:42:54.260 now

00:42:54.620 but you know

00:42:55.820 we just have to

00:42:58.800 hope for the best

00:42:59.420 I think one of the things

00:43:00.740 that is clear to me

00:43:02.800 I mean

00:43:04.520 from looking at

00:43:06.740 our litigation experience

00:43:08.080 which is now

00:43:08.500 considerably

00:43:09.060 goes far beyond

00:43:09.960 this situation

00:43:11.500 and other cases

00:43:12.880 I'm aware of

00:43:13.480 is that

00:43:13.800 there seems to have been

00:43:14.820 some message

00:43:15.420 gone out from

00:43:16.020 Judge Central

00:43:16.760 that anything

00:43:18.520 that's quote

00:43:19.320 unquote

00:43:19.620 a white nationalist

00:43:20.520 has got to be

00:43:21.180 suppressed

00:43:21.520 by any means

00:43:22.160 necessary

00:43:22.640 in our case

00:43:25.300 the classic example

00:43:26.920 is

00:43:27.200 we had a hotel

00:43:28.840 cancelling us

00:43:29.560 in Colorado Springs

00:43:30.660 and they

00:43:32.480 well

00:43:34.220 Cora was not

00:43:34.860 with them

00:43:35.460 because they

00:43:36.300 paid up

00:43:36.820 the liquidated

00:43:37.360 damages

00:43:37.740 like men

00:43:38.320 and it was

00:43:38.640 a lot of money

00:43:39.280 but they cancelled

00:43:41.080 because the mayor

00:43:43.000 of Colorado Springs

00:43:43.880 who was a rhino

00:43:44.640 John Southers

00:43:45.460 had said he wouldn't

00:43:46.560 extend police protection

00:43:47.540 to the conference

00:43:48.320 when

00:43:49.100 you know

00:43:50.260 in other words

00:43:50.900 Antifa could go in

00:43:52.600 and

00:43:52.900 he wouldn't extend

00:43:54.320 police protection

00:43:55.380 yes that's right

00:43:56.320 now this is an issue

00:43:57.260 that's

00:43:57.480 he's threatening

00:43:57.780 to kill you

00:43:58.520 that's right

00:43:59.000 and who is this

00:44:00.200 his name was

00:44:00.860 John Southers

00:44:01.480 he was the mayor

00:44:02.100 he was the Republican

00:44:03.200 John Southers

00:44:04.540 the mayor of

00:44:05.260 Colorado Springs

00:44:06.160 basically threatened

00:44:08.100 to allow

00:44:08.660 mortal violence

00:44:09.800 against you

00:44:10.420 if you went

00:44:11.040 to his

00:44:11.500 that's right

00:44:12.100 city

00:44:12.320 now this is

00:44:13.160 an issue

00:44:13.820 which has been

00:44:14.740 extensively litigated

00:44:15.820 in the civil rights era

00:44:16.880 and the point

00:44:18.040 was made very clear

00:44:19.000 that by the courts

00:44:20.540 that the local authorities

00:44:22.660 the local governments

00:44:23.240 have to extend

00:44:24.160 protection to people's

00:44:25.400 First Amendment rights

00:44:26.360 in other words

00:44:27.780 in those days

00:44:28.580 the black demonstrators

00:44:30.320 would go into it

00:44:30.940 would have meetings

00:44:31.880 in the city

00:44:32.340 and the local

00:44:33.380 the local whites

00:44:34.480 would be angry about it

00:44:35.200 but those whites

00:44:35.700 had to be kept away

00:44:36.560 the blacks had to be

00:44:37.440 allowed to have

00:44:37.940 their meetings

00:44:38.460 well we litigated

00:44:40.460 this right up

00:44:41.120 to the Supreme Court

00:44:42.040 and which refused

00:44:43.700 to take the issue up

00:44:45.360 and there was

00:44:46.440 the appeals court

00:44:48.100 in Colorado

00:44:48.700 rejected us

00:44:49.680 and I believe

00:44:50.720 it had at least one

00:44:51.500 we had one good judge

00:44:52.660 there who said

00:44:53.980 this is obviously

00:44:54.660 attack on First Amendment

00:44:55.620 rights

00:44:56.060 but the other two

00:44:57.380 who I think

00:44:57.720 were Republican appointees

00:44:58.840 to vote against us

00:45:01.340 so we lost

00:45:02.560 and we weren't

00:45:04.200 able to

00:45:04.940 our initial lawyer

00:45:05.860 you know

00:45:06.020 civil rights litigation

00:45:07.120 is extremely damaging

00:45:08.220 if you're on the wrong side

00:45:09.100 of it

00:45:09.360 I mean there's

00:45:09.820 enormous damages involved

00:45:11.060 so it would

00:45:11.940 we would have

00:45:12.960 it would have been

00:45:15.200 a huge victory

00:45:16.060 and we would have

00:45:16.660 we would have

00:45:17.060 actually been made whole

00:45:17.900 in a very dramatic way

00:45:19.040 and our initial

00:45:20.940 lawyer in Colorado Springs

00:45:22.020 was so keen on this

00:45:23.100 it was so obvious

00:45:23.840 open and shut case

00:45:24.900 that he took it

00:45:25.780 on contingency

00:45:26.540 you know

00:45:26.900 but as soon as

00:45:28.060 he realized

00:45:28.460 that the city

00:45:29.200 was going to resist

00:45:29.920 he ran away

00:45:30.520 and we had to start

00:45:31.220 paying lawyers

00:45:32.600 to litigate him

00:45:33.820 well anyway

00:45:35.080 subsequently

00:45:36.540 there was a case

00:45:37.480 in before the

00:45:38.520 Supreme Court

00:45:39.280 New York

00:45:40.860 I guess

00:45:41.220 it was called

00:45:42.420 the Vullo

00:45:42.900 case

00:45:43.120 V-U-L-L-O

00:45:44.240 and this was a case

00:45:45.380 where the

00:45:46.000 communists

00:45:46.880 were putting pressure

00:45:48.080 on insurance companies

00:45:49.400 not to insure

00:45:50.560 the NRA

00:45:51.200 and the NRA

00:45:51.940 fought it

00:45:53.260 and it won

00:45:55.680 and in the

00:45:57.840 decision

00:45:59.520 Cadenti Jackson

00:46:02.780 says

00:46:03.240 the NRA's case

00:46:04.320 is strong

00:46:04.660 but it's

00:46:05.320 essentially

00:46:05.580 it's not as strong

00:46:06.860 as V-DAR's case

00:46:07.840 where they

00:46:09.120 where they were

00:46:09.820 denied police

00:46:11.480 where the state agency

00:46:12.680 you know

00:46:13.020 would basically

00:46:13.620 discriminate against

00:46:15.060 them on political

00:46:15.640 grounds

00:46:16.160 what's this

00:46:17.340 we never heard

00:46:18.460 about this

00:46:18.960 well it turns out

00:46:19.920 that 16 attorneys

00:46:20.980 general

00:46:21.440 had signed

00:46:22.200 an amicus

00:46:22.960 brief

00:46:23.760 saying that

00:46:24.700 the appeals

00:46:25.660 court in Colorado

00:46:26.340 had been wrong

00:46:27.160 to reject

00:46:28.820 our attempt

00:46:29.540 to sue

00:46:31.300 Colorado Springs

00:46:32.280 on a civil rights

00:46:33.420 theory

00:46:33.780 and that

00:46:34.700 it was wrong

00:46:35.520 for the following

00:46:36.000 reasons

00:46:36.400 and for that reason

00:46:37.060 the Supreme Court

00:46:37.620 should take up

00:46:38.320 the NRA's case

00:46:39.180 against

00:46:39.460 NRA v. Vullo

00:46:40.620 I guess it was called

00:46:41.440 and the Supreme Court

00:46:43.980 did take it up

00:46:44.740 and ruled

00:46:46.260 against the state

00:46:47.740 of New York

00:46:48.240 9-0

00:46:48.860 which of course

00:46:50.500 does us

00:46:50.940 absolutely no good

00:46:51.620 whatever

00:46:51.940 because we're out

00:46:52.800 all that money

00:46:53.440 and you know

00:46:54.980 our first

00:46:56.820 to memorize

00:46:57.260 they're not protected

00:46:57.960 I mean in other words

00:46:59.060 there's a real

00:46:59.540 determination

00:47:00.120 on the part

00:47:00.620 the NRA

00:47:01.260 is apparently

00:47:01.800 more partible

00:47:02.700 than we are

00:47:03.320 I'm a little bit

00:47:05.680 confused

00:47:06.680 conceptually

00:47:08.340 with

00:47:09.160 the idea

00:47:10.400 that

00:47:10.980 white self-awareness

00:47:12.540 is effectively

00:47:13.240 illegal

00:47:13.740 in the United States

00:47:14.920 whereas

00:47:15.360 ethnic self-awareness

00:47:17.160 in every other group

00:47:17.940 is encouraged

00:47:18.720 like

00:47:19.520 doesn't make any sense

00:47:20.960 speak for myself

00:47:22.220 I'd rather live

00:47:23.020 in a deracialized world

00:47:24.200 people think about it less

00:47:25.340 because it's

00:47:25.860 it does cause problems

00:47:27.080 but as long as

00:47:27.840 you're encouraging

00:47:28.720 identity politics

00:47:30.300 why do whites

00:47:31.100 not get to have it

00:47:31.960 what is the answer

00:47:33.140 well it's completely

00:47:33.860 completely hypocritical

00:47:35.160 it's because

00:47:36.000 the people running

00:47:36.800 the society

00:47:37.500 are anti-white

00:47:38.280 and they've been able

00:47:40.200 to persuade

00:47:41.220 or intimidate

00:47:42.180 the entire

00:47:43.040 legal system

00:47:44.220 to operate

00:47:45.120 in an anti-white way

00:47:46.400 anti-white in this case

00:47:48.740 really means

00:47:49.100 anti-American

00:47:49.680 I mean

00:47:50.040 because the whites

00:47:52.020 are Americans

00:47:52.660 that's who Americans are

00:47:54.580 you know

00:47:55.180 the people who signed

00:47:56.000 the Declaration of Independence

00:47:57.240 yeah

00:47:58.380 I did know that

00:48:00.140 and

00:48:00.860 the purpose

00:48:02.500 of the project

00:48:03.180 like big picture

00:48:04.300 again

00:48:04.700 I keep going back

00:48:05.260 to this

00:48:05.460 but I'm just

00:48:05.860 I am a little bit

00:48:06.540 confused

00:48:06.980 because this is

00:48:08.260 the defining

00:48:08.820 fact of our lives

00:48:10.880 is that whites

00:48:12.140 around the world

00:48:12.720 are being eliminated

00:48:13.640 and I would like

00:48:15.100 to know why

00:48:15.840 do you have any guesses?

00:48:17.960 As I say

00:48:18.560 I think

00:48:18.880 Tucker

00:48:19.360 I think it derives

00:48:20.160 from emotion

00:48:20.840 rather than

00:48:21.340 a kind of

00:48:21.760 rational

00:48:22.220 calculation

00:48:24.900 I mean

00:48:25.680 if you look at

00:48:26.160 what's happened

00:48:26.640 in South Africa

00:48:27.320 or for that

00:48:27.720 matter

00:48:27.900 in every big

00:48:29.020 American black city

00:48:30.060 that's majority black

00:48:32.000 I mean

00:48:32.580 they can't want it

00:48:33.600 to get into a situation

00:48:35.200 where the water

00:48:35.780 is putrid

00:48:37.200 and nothing works

00:48:38.460 and all that kind of thing

00:48:39.540 but they do

00:48:41.220 you know

00:48:42.920 the purpose of the system

00:48:43.820 is what it does

00:48:44.780 and the purpose of

00:48:46.320 you know

00:48:47.840 non-white government

00:48:48.680 is to produce

00:48:49.220 non-white government

00:48:50.040 and non-white results

00:48:51.700 unless of course

00:48:53.120 you're Chinese

00:48:53.680 because Singapore

00:48:54.760 is run Japanese

00:48:55.640 they're run very efficiently

00:48:57.280 they are

00:48:58.740 it's just interesting

00:48:59.660 that people move here

00:49:00.680 because it's a white country

00:49:01.920 and we

00:49:02.880 see to run it

00:49:03.440 into the ground

00:49:03.940 well all of us

00:49:04.920 benefit

00:49:05.360 white and non-white

00:49:06.460 benefit alike

00:49:07.720 from systems

00:49:08.640 created by whites

00:49:09.360 because

00:49:09.820 they're more humane

00:49:11.240 they're more just

00:49:12.680 they're more fair

00:49:13.240 and they're much more

00:49:14.700 efficient and cleaner

00:49:15.780 obviously

00:49:17.360 you know

00:49:18.280 I was looking

00:49:18.680 at an interview

00:49:19.160 if I can interrupt you

00:49:20.460 I was looking at an interview

00:49:21.200 somebody sent me

00:49:22.100 an interview

00:49:22.720 I did

00:49:23.000 for Forbes

00:49:23.760 magazine

00:49:24.780 with Milton Friedman

00:49:25.680 and I asked him

00:49:27.780 are there cultural

00:49:29.080 prerequisites for capitalism

00:49:30.380 and he said

00:49:31.840 yes

00:49:32.240 I think

00:49:32.660 and as you know

00:49:33.620 he's a very

00:49:34.080 fire-breathing libertarian

00:49:35.340 but he actually

00:49:36.360 thought about this question

00:49:37.520 and he said

00:49:38.440 that

00:49:38.700 you know

00:49:40.100 he said

00:49:40.340 capitalism

00:49:40.900 has really only ever worked

00:49:42.320 in English-speaking countries

00:49:43.860 he said

00:49:44.380 I don't know why

00:49:45.040 this is so

00:49:46.080 but the fact

00:49:46.660 has to be admitted

00:49:47.360 there's some kind

00:49:48.900 of a cultural

00:49:49.500 underpinning

00:49:50.240 for capitalism

00:49:51.640 I sometimes

00:49:53.180 what economists

00:49:53.940 call a metamarket

00:49:54.940 a framework

00:49:55.380 where the market

00:49:56.060 operates

00:49:56.580 so the question is

00:49:58.680 why are these capitalists

00:49:59.860 bring it

00:50:00.820 you know

00:50:01.840 why is the chamber

00:50:02.700 of commerce

00:50:03.240 suing to

00:50:04.000 keep the H1B

00:50:05.560 flow coming

00:50:06.240 when they know

00:50:07.820 it's going to

00:50:08.220 when it's obviously

00:50:09.220 going to produce people

00:50:09.980 who don't do it

00:50:10.580 like Mandami

00:50:11.220 who don't

00:50:12.040 support capitalism

00:50:13.140 and in fact hate it

00:50:13.920 what are the capitalists

00:50:14.980 doing

00:50:15.300 well they're doing

00:50:15.800 what Lenin said

00:50:16.420 they're saying

00:50:16.780 they will sell us

00:50:17.520 the rope

00:50:17.920 by which

00:50:18.720 with which

00:50:19.100 we hang them

00:50:19.720 and I mean

00:50:21.920 that's demonstrable

00:50:22.860 it was true

00:50:23.660 in 1917

00:50:24.320 it's true

00:50:25.300 in 2026

00:50:26.320 do you think

00:50:28.380 it's the product

00:50:29.000 of short term thinking

00:50:30.100 oh in the case

00:50:32.020 in the case

00:50:32.640 of business people

00:50:33.640 of course it is

00:50:34.300 the malign influence

00:50:35.620 of the Wall Street Journal

00:50:36.280 editorial page

00:50:37.060 a whole generation

00:50:38.020 of business people

00:50:39.980 actually believe

00:50:40.460 all this nonsense

00:50:41.080 it's very hard

00:50:41.900 to get out

00:50:43.360 of their heads

00:50:43.940 because they're

00:50:45.240 never allowed

00:50:45.820 I mean

00:50:46.160 they're never allowed

00:50:46.880 criticism of immigration

00:50:47.780 on the editorial page

00:50:49.420 so you've referred

00:50:50.880 repeatedly to the

00:50:51.520 Wall Street Journal

00:50:52.120 and also to HarperCollins

00:50:53.440 both of them

00:50:53.900 are owned

00:50:54.160 by the Murdoch family

00:50:55.080 right

00:50:55.440 what's been your

00:50:56.820 experience with the Murdochs

00:50:57.960 well you know

00:50:58.680 I spent

00:51:03.380 well over a year

00:51:05.040 working for Rupert

00:51:06.260 in I think

00:51:07.440 that's 1990

00:51:08.340 on a ghost

00:51:10.020 in his autobiography

00:51:11.000 which was never published

00:51:13.200 for various reasons

00:51:14.300 he changed his mind

00:51:14.940 about it

00:51:15.360 but I have to say

00:51:16.400 he was extraordinarily

00:51:17.260 generous to me personally

00:51:18.440 and he continued

00:51:19.040 to be extraordinarily

00:51:19.680 generous

00:51:20.060 until very recently

00:51:22.180 when

00:51:22.560 I guess

00:51:24.720 I had been on the payroll

00:51:26.140 quietly for a very long time

00:51:27.780 and they dropped me

00:51:28.440 when you came under attack

00:51:30.000 because somebody

00:51:31.220 looked into

00:51:32.760 people on the payroll

00:51:33.720 and they found

00:51:34.220 that this thought

00:51:34.800 criminal's on the payroll

00:51:35.700 so

00:51:37.100 at that point

00:51:39.160 I was dropped

00:51:39.700 but he's always

00:51:41.020 personally

00:51:41.500 been extraordinarily

00:51:42.040 generous to me

00:51:42.780 that is my experience

00:51:44.060 with Rupert Murdoch

00:51:44.880 and you know

00:51:45.600 that's not the case

00:51:46.380 with a lot of these characters

00:51:47.680 it's not

00:51:48.260 a lot of these

00:51:48.660 people like

00:51:49.540 Robert Maxwell

00:51:50.120 and so on

00:51:50.660 I remember Rupert

00:51:51.240 tell me once

00:51:51.820 that he thought

00:51:52.780 that Maxwell

00:51:53.260 Maxwell

00:51:53.600 as you know

00:51:54.200 fell off his yacht

00:51:55.780 off the Canary Islands

00:51:58.260 and was found dead

00:51:59.720 Rupert's theory was

00:52:00.960 this guy is such a jerk

00:52:03.240 that the crew

00:52:04.660 probably couldn't

00:52:05.120 stand him anymore

00:52:05.840 that is one theory

00:52:07.080 that is one theory

00:52:08.460 his lawyer told me

00:52:09.800 that he was murdered

00:52:10.380 by the Israelis

00:52:11.700 for whom he worked

00:52:12.460 I don't know the truth

00:52:13.720 of it

00:52:13.920 but he certainly

00:52:14.340 had a lot of enemies

00:52:15.160 and a lot of suspects

00:52:15.980 in that crime

00:52:16.580 but I mean

00:52:17.380 he was personal

00:52:17.940 and that's not the case

00:52:19.260 with Rupert

00:52:19.520 he's not cruel

00:52:20.200 he's not vindictive

00:52:21.160 Rupert is one of the most

00:52:22.040 personally gracious people

00:52:23.820 I've ever met in my life

00:52:24.860 I mean he has perfect manners

00:52:26.500 he's truly Anglo

00:52:27.580 in that way

00:52:28.260 and I never had a bad time

00:52:30.900 with him

00:52:31.120 always agree

00:52:31.600 even when he fired me

00:52:32.480 I talked to him after

00:52:33.380 he couldn't have been nicer

00:52:34.480 so I strongly agree

00:52:36.200 with your assessment

00:52:36.800 but he kept you

00:52:38.420 on the payroll

00:52:39.000 for decades

00:52:39.960 yeah

00:52:41.480 so I had five children

00:52:44.360 born on his health care

00:52:46.040 I had some born

00:52:47.240 on his health care too

00:52:48.400 God bless you Rupert Murdoch

00:52:51.600 it was very good

00:52:54.380 I mean

00:52:54.580 no it's

00:52:55.260 I mean

00:52:55.820 I don't know

00:52:56.700 the truth should be told

00:52:57.540 good and bad

00:52:58.200 so essentially

00:52:59.280 I was a consultant

00:52:59.920 and he didn't

00:53:01.080 consult me at all

00:53:02.020 because of course

00:53:03.840 I would have told him

00:53:04.380 to do the exact opposite

00:53:05.340 of what he was actually

00:53:05.940 but I have no complaints

00:53:10.280 about Rupert Murdoch

00:53:10.940 yes

00:53:11.280 no I

00:53:11.720 I just want to say out loud

00:53:13.320 I agree with you 100%

00:53:14.500 through much experience

00:53:15.380 25 years

00:53:16.000 so but it does

00:53:17.680 it does raise the question

00:53:19.600 as it does with Bill Buckley

00:53:20.680 then

00:53:21.940 you know

00:53:22.820 Rupert has great personal decency

00:53:24.720 that I

00:53:26.640 and I've seen it

00:53:27.320 but his

00:53:28.880 the editorial product

00:53:30.300 is

00:53:31.360 aggressively opposed to American

00:53:34.560 basic American interests

00:53:35.640 so like

00:53:36.040 what is that

00:53:36.820 this guy likes America

00:53:38.080 he treats people

00:53:39.100 around him well

00:53:40.040 there's a lot

00:53:41.200 good to say about Rupert

00:53:42.600 but

00:53:42.900 the Wall Street Journal

00:53:44.660 the New York Post

00:53:45.380 Harper Collins

00:53:46.000 like all of them

00:53:46.560 are engaged

00:53:47.140 in a very aggressive

00:53:48.100 campaign against

00:53:49.280 America's interests

00:53:51.200 so why

00:53:51.980 why is that

00:53:53.180 do you know

00:53:53.640 well I think

00:53:55.280 he handed over

00:53:56.720 the sort of intellectual

00:53:58.180 the thinking part

00:54:00.320 of

00:54:00.820 news corporation

00:54:03.740 or 21st century

00:54:04.920 Fox

00:54:05.220 whatever it's called

00:54:06.560 now

00:54:06.860 to the neoconservatives

00:54:08.560 and so he took on

00:54:09.620 a lot of neoconservative

00:54:10.440 baggage at that point

00:54:11.460 I mean they used to run

00:54:12.320 an editorial every year

00:54:13.620 saying

00:54:14.100 there ought to be

00:54:15.400 a constitutional amendment

00:54:16.440 there shall be open borders

00:54:17.760 you know

00:54:18.560 I mean

00:54:19.580 it was really lunatic

00:54:20.420 and I believe

00:54:23.140 that's still the case

00:54:23.960 but why would he do that

00:54:26.140 first of all

00:54:28.800 because they're very good

00:54:29.640 they're extremely active

00:54:30.760 full of ideas

00:54:31.800 full of energy

00:54:32.520 they were extremely good

00:54:33.880 in the Cold War

00:54:34.580 they were

00:54:35.820 that's correct

00:54:36.440 you know

00:54:37.040 but that was then

00:54:37.860 this is now

00:54:38.400 and they just simply

00:54:39.120 haven't made the transition

00:54:40.600 but that's a major reason

00:54:42.440 I know Oswee's operating

00:54:43.760 in New York

00:54:44.500 and you know

00:54:45.280 he was under a lot of

00:54:45.980 suspicion there

00:54:47.300 and has been

00:54:49.080 you know

00:54:49.720 he had to show

00:54:51.420 what he was

00:54:52.220 what Gore Vidal

00:54:53.480 called once

00:54:54.120 an okay guy

00:54:54.980 and he's showing that

00:54:57.220 it's genuine though

00:54:59.820 with Rupert

00:55:00.200 I remember once

00:55:00.780 talking to him about

00:55:02.040 why he was so pro

00:55:04.000 the initial Iraq war

00:55:06.100 the Gulf War

00:55:06.900 and he said

00:55:08.640 well you know

00:55:09.580 it goes back to

00:55:10.820 it goes back to my father

00:55:12.400 and Gallipoli

00:55:13.180 you know

00:55:13.640 his father played

00:55:14.360 a major role

00:55:15.120 in discrediting

00:55:17.100 the Gallipoli expedition

00:55:18.000 which was this attack

00:55:18.980 orchestrated by

00:55:19.960 Winston Churchill

00:55:20.920 they're trying to

00:55:21.780 break through

00:55:22.200 the Dardanelles

00:55:22.840 to get to Russia

00:55:23.580 to help Russia

00:55:24.140 join the war

00:55:24.840 he said

00:55:25.780 so I'm just

00:55:26.760 I guess I'm just

00:55:27.440 basically anti-Arab

00:55:28.520 and I said

00:55:29.320 those aren't Arabs

00:55:30.080 the Turks

00:55:30.700 well exactly

00:55:31.620 exactly

00:55:33.240 they're all the same

00:55:35.560 yeah the Ottoman Empire

00:55:36.440 is gone

00:55:36.960 and they've done

00:55:37.940 an enormous amount

00:55:38.680 of business

00:55:39.160 in the Gulf

00:55:39.800 with Arabs

00:55:40.620 who helped finance

00:55:41.800 his companies

00:55:42.740 so

00:55:43.160 it's kind of a strange

00:55:44.420 answer

00:55:44.640 his father was a

00:55:45.320 famous journalist

00:55:45.840 in Australia

00:55:46.280 who broke the news

00:55:47.120 of the disaster

00:55:47.660 at Gallipoli

00:55:48.200 and he was very

00:55:49.880 proud of that

00:55:50.500 but

00:55:51.940 that's not much

00:55:53.040 of an answer

00:55:53.700 is it

00:55:55.640 well you're doing

00:55:56.820 better than I do

00:55:57.360 I don't know

00:55:58.220 I just

00:55:59.020 it's

00:55:59.360 you know

00:56:00.340 he said

00:56:00.620 such an effect

00:56:01.220 on the world

00:56:01.920 and on my life

00:56:02.960 and as I said

00:56:04.520 five times

00:56:04.900 I've always liked him

00:56:05.680 and still do

00:56:06.220 but it does

00:56:06.880 it's a mystery

00:56:07.540 somebody said to me

00:56:07.740 once

00:56:07.900 one of his

00:56:08.420 henchmen in Australia

00:56:12.180 said to me

00:56:12.720 that Rupert

00:56:15.260 is a businessman

00:56:15.940 who wants to be

00:56:16.600 a journalist

00:56:17.240 and his father

00:56:18.320 is a journalist

00:56:18.800 who wants to be

00:56:19.240 a businessman

00:56:19.680 because he did

00:56:20.720 found a published

00:56:21.760 empire in Australia

00:56:22.700 Sir Keith Murdoch

00:56:23.940 I think there's a lot

00:56:25.020 in that

00:56:25.380 I mean I think

00:56:26.220 that

00:56:26.520 you and I

00:56:30.400 are ideologues

00:56:31.080 professional ideologues

00:56:32.220 but Rupert is not

00:56:32.760 a professional ideologues

00:56:33.360 he's somebody

00:56:34.280 who spends all

00:56:35.240 of his time

00:56:35.600 looking at numbers

00:56:36.340 he's a fantastic

00:56:37.160 memory for numbers

00:56:37.980 he knows all

00:56:38.780 I can never

00:56:39.800 remember any phone numbers

00:56:40.700 he remembers

00:56:41.100 every phone number

00:56:41.740 he's ever dialed

00:56:42.500 you know

00:56:43.240 and running

00:56:45.660 an operation

00:56:46.400 like his

00:56:48.120 it requires

00:56:48.740 a tremendous

00:56:49.260 attention to detail

00:56:50.660 and a tremendous

00:56:51.200 application

00:56:51.940 to going over

00:56:54.120 pages and pages

00:56:54.980 and pages of figures

00:56:55.780 and I don't know

00:56:57.060 that he spends

00:56:57.360 a great deal of time

00:56:57.960 thinking about politics

00:56:58.920 except in a

00:56:59.820 sporting sense

00:57:00.820 he likes to be

00:57:01.560 he likes

00:57:02.380 he likes to be

00:57:03.820 backing winners

00:57:05.220 and winning elections

00:57:08.120 and that kind of thing

00:57:08.800 but then he likes

00:57:09.260 going to Australian

00:57:10.060 football matches too

00:57:10.940 so I think

00:57:12.500 it's kind of

00:57:12.860 a similar thing

00:57:13.520 that is a very

00:57:14.420 smart analysis

00:57:15.240 I think you're

00:57:15.840 I think you're

00:57:16.340 exactly

00:57:16.700 I think you just

00:57:17.360 answered the question

00:57:18.100 he's outsourced

00:57:19.620 a lot of

00:57:20.320 the thinking

00:57:21.660 to others

00:57:22.580 it's transactional

00:57:23.640 he's not

00:57:24.420 tightly wedded

00:57:25.960 to

00:57:26.220 ideological details

00:57:28.280 at all

00:57:28.760 but he's really

00:57:30.800 allowed the

00:57:31.340 Wall Street Journal

00:57:31.860 editorial page

00:57:32.660 to become a force

00:57:33.500 of destruction

00:57:34.100 well I have to

00:57:35.320 admit it's many

00:57:36.000 years since I've

00:57:36.500 bothered to read

00:57:37.000 the Wall Street Journal

00:57:37.420 yeah me too

00:57:38.000 I rely on people

00:57:39.680 sending me things

00:57:40.620 and they don't

00:57:41.900 send much from

00:57:42.460 the Wall Street Journal

00:57:43.160 or for that matter

00:57:45.160 from National Review

00:57:45.940 very rarely seen

00:57:47.320 is National Review

00:57:48.220 still in existence

00:57:49.120 apparently so

00:57:52.680 it has the

00:57:53.440 Republican

00:57:54.020 establishment to support

00:57:55.940 it's like

00:57:58.180 Lindsey Graham

00:57:59.120 and Ted Cruz

00:57:59.860 and what

00:58:00.640 do you know

00:58:01.060 the editor

00:58:01.460 of National Review

00:58:02.220 I have the

00:58:03.680 you mean Rich Lowry

00:58:05.020 he's gone for

00:58:05.840 some time now

00:58:06.380 hasn't he

00:58:06.760 hasn't he

00:58:07.420 hasn't he been

00:58:07.880 done if somebody

00:58:08.840 else

00:58:09.080 I have the faintest

00:58:10.140 idea

00:58:10.400 but did you know

00:58:11.340 him

00:58:11.640 you know

00:58:13.360 I sat in rooms

00:58:14.500 with him

00:58:14.940 and I went to

00:58:16.800 Bocchus Pods

00:58:17.460 with him

00:58:17.680 I have absolutely

00:58:18.160 no memory of him

00:58:18.700 at all

00:58:19.080 he never said

00:58:19.800 anything at all

00:58:20.460 of significance

00:58:22.160 and I think that's

00:58:22.800 why Bill hired him

00:58:24.800 because he was

00:58:25.120 completely malleable

00:58:25.920 yeah I think

00:58:27.200 that sounds

00:58:27.640 that sounds right

00:58:28.520 sad

00:58:28.960 how much

00:58:29.840 has been lost

00:58:31.160 so

00:58:31.600 speaking of lost

00:58:32.840 what happened

00:58:33.740 in the end

00:58:34.640 and I interrupted

00:58:35.660 your story

00:58:36.060 my apologies

00:58:36.560 but to VDR

00:58:37.540 VDR is suspended

00:58:39.560 suspended in

00:58:40.420 July of 2024

00:58:41.940 because we just

00:58:42.460 ran out of money

00:58:43.100 the foundation

00:58:44.340 is still in existence

00:58:45.200 and Lydia is still

00:58:46.960 she's not paid

00:58:48.880 but she's still

00:58:49.500 she's still

00:58:50.400 paying lawyers

00:58:51.200 and dealing with

00:58:52.160 the legal situation

00:58:53.540 which continues to

00:58:54.300 ramify to say

00:58:55.160 we're being sued

00:58:55.820 personally

00:58:56.320 and as a foundation

00:58:58.520 on what grounds

00:58:59.380 are you being sued

00:59:00.140 oh there's a whole

00:59:00.740 bunch of things

00:59:01.160 fundamentally technical

00:59:02.300 issues to do

00:59:03.520 with

00:59:03.760 to do with

00:59:05.500 whether we

00:59:06.660 had the right

00:59:08.160 number of directors

00:59:08.740 vote on the right

00:59:09.460 number of things

00:59:10.060 it's all paperwork

00:59:10.860 stuff

00:59:11.300 it's all stuff

00:59:12.520 that could

00:59:12.960 would normally

00:59:13.820 resolve with a

00:59:14.620 phone call

00:59:15.140 and possibly

00:59:15.840 refiling

00:59:16.520 and stuff like

00:59:17.140 that

00:59:18.100 they've not found

00:59:18.960 any evidence

00:59:19.580 of

00:59:20.180 misappropriation

00:59:22.320 of funds

00:59:22.840 and in fact

00:59:23.280 we move to

00:59:23.840 dismiss on this

00:59:24.540 basis

00:59:24.900 that although

00:59:25.880 they huff and puff

00:59:26.660 a lot

00:59:27.080 I mean there's

00:59:27.820 60 odd pages

00:59:28.560 of rhetoric

00:59:29.100 but the actual

00:59:29.660 charges

00:59:30.200 they haven't got

00:59:31.440 anything

00:59:31.820 who is suing you

00:59:33.540 this is New York

00:59:34.260 New York State

00:59:34.860 so they're using

00:59:36.360 tax dollars still

00:59:37.340 oh yes

00:59:37.940 that's right

00:59:38.340 enormous

00:59:38.760 they've spent

00:59:40.740 a great deal

00:59:41.260 of money on this

00:59:41.900 they also

00:59:42.880 very weirdly

00:59:44.100 subpoenaed

00:59:45.180 Facebook

00:59:45.600 for all our

00:59:46.180 records of

00:59:46.780 all our dealings

00:59:47.840 with Facebook

00:59:48.400 well Facebook

00:59:49.480 banned us

00:59:50.040 in 2020

00:59:50.680 as part of

00:59:51.240 Zuckerberg's

00:59:51.780 campaign

00:59:52.220 to defeat

00:59:52.780 Donald Trump

00:59:53.420 they thought

00:59:53.860 we were

00:59:54.800 pro-Trump

00:59:55.560 so we actually

00:59:56.580 hadn't had any

00:59:57.560 deals with Facebook

00:59:58.200 for more than

00:59:58.680 two years

00:59:59.140 when they came

00:59:59.620 after us

01:00:00.760 but nevertheless

01:00:04.000 they got all

01:00:04.600 these records

01:00:05.000 off of Facebook

01:00:06.280 but they've done

01:00:08.160 nothing with them

01:00:09.100 because of course

01:00:09.820 there's nothing

01:00:10.140 there

01:00:10.520 I think they

01:00:12.140 genuinely thought

01:00:13.500 that they would

01:00:13.880 find that we

01:00:14.420 were accepting

01:00:14.840 money from the

01:00:15.360 Russians

01:00:15.660 to run

01:00:18.280 bat farms

01:00:18.900 if you remember

01:00:19.980 that was the

01:00:20.420 allegation

01:00:20.940 with interference

01:00:22.720 in 2016

01:00:24.200 that the Russians

01:00:24.820 were financing

01:00:25.500 tiny little

01:00:26.440 Facebook pages

01:00:27.420 and that's

01:00:28.560 how they were

01:00:29.200 manipulating the

01:00:30.040 election

01:00:30.400 I think they

01:00:31.980 genuinely believe

01:00:32.580 that

01:00:32.840 I think one of

01:00:33.540 the things

01:00:33.740 about Democrats

01:00:34.360 is that they

01:00:34.840 really do believe

01:00:35.440 their own propaganda

01:00:36.120 they do think

01:00:38.640 that the middle

01:00:39.460 America is full

01:00:40.080 of people wearing

01:00:40.640 pointed hats

01:00:41.180 we'll be at war

01:00:41.860 with Qatar

01:00:42.440 by the end

01:00:43.080 just because

01:00:43.500 they've talked

01:00:44.000 themselves into

01:00:44.820 believing Qatar

01:00:46.100 secretly controls

01:00:47.060 America

01:00:47.340 as they did

01:00:47.800 with Russia

01:00:48.220 then we went

01:00:48.660 to war with

01:00:49.020 Russia

01:00:49.240 and we're

01:00:49.500 still at war

01:00:50.020 with Russia

01:00:50.440 over there

01:00:50.920 right

01:00:51.640 the difficulty

01:00:52.680 with this

01:00:53.140 is that the

01:00:53.480 Republicans

01:00:53.800 believe the

01:00:54.220 Democrat

01:00:54.500 propaganda

01:00:54.900 too

01:00:55.380 which is

01:00:56.260 why they

01:00:56.620 won't

01:00:56.920 for example

01:00:57.560 appeal

01:00:58.840 to the white

01:00:59.800 vote

01:01:00.100 one of the

01:01:00.460 things we

01:01:00.740 did at

01:01:01.100 Vidale

01:01:01.440 is we

01:01:02.360 discussed

01:01:03.740 and documented

01:01:04.280 what we call

01:01:04.720 the sailors

01:01:05.180 strategy

01:01:05.660 as opposed

01:01:06.300 to the

01:01:06.540 Roeve

01:01:06.740 strategy

01:01:07.200 in 2000

01:01:09.680 Karl Roeve

01:01:10.400 was saying

01:01:10.800 that the

01:01:11.100 Republicans

01:01:11.400 have got

01:01:11.680 to do

01:01:11.960 outreach

01:01:12.320 to minorities

01:01:12.980 and

01:01:14.420 it makes

01:01:15.900 no sense

01:01:16.380 statistically

01:01:16.780 because

01:01:17.440 I think

01:01:17.840 George

01:01:18.740 Bush

01:01:19.020 George

01:01:19.540 W.

01:01:22.520 Bush

01:01:22.640 got

01:01:22.900 like

01:01:23.400 51%

01:01:24.060 of the

01:01:24.260 white

01:01:24.420 vote

01:01:24.740 it's

01:01:24.920 appalling

01:01:25.300 performance

01:01:25.920 so

01:01:26.540 Steve

01:01:27.040 Saylor

01:01:27.400 who's

01:01:27.560 one of

01:01:27.780 our

01:01:27.900 writers

01:01:28.180 who we've

01:01:28.560 had on

01:01:28.980 pointed out

01:01:29.880 that if

01:01:30.160 they could

01:01:30.360 just

01:01:30.560 increase

01:01:30.980 that

01:01:31.260 proportion

01:01:31.920 of the

01:01:32.720 white

01:01:32.880 vote

01:01:33.080 to what

01:01:33.420 his father

01:01:33.860 got

01:01:34.200 which was

01:01:34.540 like

01:01:34.660 57-58%

01:01:35.900 that would

01:01:36.820 swamp and

01:01:37.300 overwhelm

01:01:37.780 any possible

01:01:38.540 conceivable

01:01:39.720 gain among

01:01:40.400 minority

01:01:40.940 voters

01:01:41.280 so we were

01:01:41.780 saying

01:01:42.060 you should

01:01:42.920 go for

01:01:43.240 the white

01:01:43.560 vote

01:01:43.880 and now

01:01:45.940 this caused

01:01:46.440 a great deal

01:01:47.100 of trouble

01:01:47.480 for us

01:01:48.280 I remember

01:01:48.580 I got a letter

01:01:49.000 from an email

01:01:49.700 from Jude

01:01:50.120 Wineski

01:01:50.600 do you remember

01:01:51.100 Jude Wineski

01:01:51.660 he said

01:01:53.220 Peter you've

01:01:53.780 gone too

01:01:54.140 far

01:01:54.600 in other

01:01:55.600 words

01:01:55.940 appeal to

01:01:57.040 the white

01:01:57.280 vote is

01:01:57.580 not allowed

01:01:58.320 and look

01:01:59.840 it's just a

01:02:00.320 question

01:02:00.600 arithmetic

01:02:01.420 you know

01:02:02.380 there's more

01:02:02.880 of them

01:02:03.180 than there

01:02:03.440 are of

01:02:03.660 minorities

01:02:04.200 in any

01:02:05.520 case

01:02:05.700 to this

01:02:06.680 day

01:02:06.960 the Republicans

01:02:07.400 have still

01:02:07.800 not done

01:02:08.540 that

01:02:08.700 they've

01:02:08.960 done it

01:02:09.200 why was

01:02:09.740 Jude

01:02:10.000 Wineski

01:02:10.420 mad

01:02:10.940 Jude was

01:02:13.340 Jude was

01:02:13.780 a liberal

01:02:14.060 you know

01:02:14.400 way back

01:02:15.200 when he was

01:02:15.560 a liberal

01:02:15.760 Democrat

01:02:16.120 and he still

01:02:16.540 had a lot

01:02:16.940 of these

01:02:17.340 reflexes

01:02:19.440 but it was

01:02:20.700 just thought

01:02:21.440 to be

01:02:21.820 people just

01:02:22.300 got very

01:02:22.600 emotional

01:02:22.900 about it

01:02:23.600 you know

01:02:24.080 they think

01:02:27.500 it's somehow

01:02:27.920 illegitimate

01:02:28.660 and they still

01:02:29.160 do think

01:02:29.580 it's illegitimate

01:02:30.260 for example

01:02:30.900 so we see

01:02:31.520 in Virginia

01:02:32.080 in this

01:02:33.000 last election

01:02:33.680 you know

01:02:34.820 this

01:02:35.540 Youngkin

01:02:36.320 who's a

01:02:37.120 complete

01:02:37.500 cipher

01:02:37.900 as far as

01:02:38.340 Wall Street

01:02:38.800 cipher

01:02:39.160 as far as

01:02:39.600 I can see

01:02:40.140 chooses

01:02:40.780 has his

01:02:41.600 success

01:02:41.900 in the

01:02:42.260 gubernatorial

01:02:42.800 race

01:02:43.140 a candidate

01:02:46.560 who was

01:02:46.880 one

01:02:47.180 an immigrant

01:02:47.640 to a

01:02:48.500 woman

01:02:48.740 and three

01:02:49.360 black

01:02:49.820 so he's

01:02:50.500 a black

01:02:50.760 Jamaican

01:02:51.080 immigrant

01:02:51.380 and this

01:02:51.880 is how

01:02:52.080 he's going

01:02:52.300 to appeal

01:02:52.600 to the

01:02:52.840 white vote

01:02:53.260 they're going

01:02:53.540 to get

01:02:53.720 people in

01:02:54.080 the halls

01:02:55.160 of southwest

01:02:55.600 Virginia

01:02:56.500 out to

01:02:57.340 vote

01:02:57.640 for this

01:02:58.340 black

01:02:59.200 immigrant

01:02:59.600 it's ridiculous

01:03:00.460 and of course

01:03:00.960 they got a

01:03:01.320 terrible share

01:03:02.060 of the

01:03:02.220 white vote

01:03:02.540 it was like

01:03:02.820 53%

01:03:03.420 and that's

01:03:03.800 why they

01:03:04.100 lost

01:03:04.360 but they

01:03:05.040 would rather

01:03:05.420 lose

01:03:05.940 than make

01:03:07.160 a full

01:03:07.680 out appeal

01:03:08.120 to white

01:03:08.400 I think

01:03:08.700 the tell

01:03:09.260 was in

01:03:10.180 the ability

01:03:10.900 so this

01:03:11.400 was in

01:03:11.760 I'm not

01:03:13.100 saying a

01:03:13.400 bad

01:03:13.580 person

01:03:14.020 but

01:03:14.460 Winsome

01:03:16.140 Sears

01:03:16.460 was not

01:03:17.200 a good

01:03:18.240 candidate

01:03:18.600 it was

01:03:18.880 kind of

01:03:19.240 an incapable

01:03:19.760 candidate

01:03:20.500 and hard

01:03:22.040 to deal

01:03:22.960 with

01:03:23.180 so

01:03:23.540 like they

01:03:25.080 chose her

01:03:25.740 because she

01:03:26.500 was black

01:03:27.200 despite the

01:03:28.720 fact that she

01:03:29.260 wasn't good

01:03:29.820 at her job

01:03:30.520 I mean this

01:03:30.800 is epidemic

01:03:31.280 in the Republican

01:03:31.800 Party

01:03:32.140 it's epidemic

01:03:32.640 in the country

01:03:33.340 they've chosen

01:03:33.740 so many

01:03:34.200 Republicans

01:03:34.700 in particular

01:03:35.240 they've chosen

01:03:35.640 so many

01:03:36.120 black candidates

01:03:36.600 they're about

01:03:36.920 to do it

01:03:37.160 here

01:03:37.360 in Florida

01:03:37.900 the next

01:03:39.740 governmental

01:03:40.060 candidate

01:03:40.480 is like

01:03:41.160 to black

01:03:41.540 unless

01:03:42.140 a miracle

01:03:43.280 occurs

01:03:43.800 why is that

01:03:45.520 they're just

01:03:47.040 pixelated

01:03:51.180 by this

01:03:51.680 transfixed

01:03:52.960 by this

01:03:53.460 I'm trying

01:03:54.620 to find

01:03:54.960 the right

01:03:55.260 word

01:03:55.580 hypnotized

01:03:57.000 by this

01:03:57.360 phenomenon

01:03:57.760 by the

01:03:58.700 whole race

01:03:59.120 question

01:03:59.380 race whips

01:04:00.220 is what it

01:04:00.500 comes down

01:04:00.880 to

01:04:01.020 they're just

01:04:02.220 so afraid

01:04:03.120 of being

01:04:03.340 called

01:04:03.560 racist

01:04:03.860 that they'd

01:04:04.300 rather lose

01:04:04.860 with a black

01:04:05.260 candidate

01:04:05.600 than run

01:04:07.580 a candidate

01:04:08.240 to appeals

01:04:08.780 to whites

01:04:09.720 Trump did

01:04:10.580 appeal to

01:04:11.040 whites

01:04:11.260 not enough

01:04:11.780 but he does

01:04:12.240 it in some

01:04:12.620 kind of

01:04:12.860 really implicit

01:04:13.500 way

01:04:13.880 if you actually

01:04:14.300 look at what

01:04:14.720 Trump said

01:04:15.420 in spite of

01:04:16.460 all the rhetoric

01:04:16.960 he's not said

01:04:18.040 anything that's

01:04:18.700 explicitly white

01:04:19.500 nationalist

01:04:19.880 or anything

01:04:20.340 I see no sign

01:04:21.480 that he's

01:04:21.800 a civic

01:04:22.540 nationalist

01:04:22.980 but for some

01:04:24.140 reason he's

01:04:24.620 made some

01:04:24.940 connection

01:04:25.420 I mean all

01:04:26.520 through West

01:04:27.000 Virginia

01:04:27.360 while Biden

01:04:29.020 was president

01:04:30.800 you would see

01:04:31.680 these signs

01:04:33.980 supporting Trump

01:04:35.560 and saying

01:04:36.500 very rude things

01:04:37.140 about Biden

01:04:37.740 and these are

01:04:39.000 outside trail

01:04:40.360 very rude things

01:04:41.180 about Biden

01:04:41.720 yeah

01:04:42.040 I mean you know

01:04:43.940 this is a poor

01:04:45.120 area

01:04:45.480 these run down

01:04:46.620 trail homes

01:04:47.380 that you see

01:04:47.700 with these Trump

01:04:48.280 signs on them

01:04:48.780 for some reason

01:04:49.580 Trump made a

01:04:50.120 connection with them

01:04:51.240 and it's eerie

01:04:53.020 now on the other

01:04:54.220 hand he also

01:04:54.720 made a disconnection

01:04:55.540 with the other side

01:04:56.180 so you get

01:04:56.680 this Trump

01:04:57.020 derangement

01:04:57.480 syndrome

01:04:57.840 but he was

01:04:58.800 able to

01:04:59.160 mobilize the

01:04:59.660 white voters

01:05:00.100 why do you

01:05:00.500 think that was

01:05:01.260 which part of

01:05:02.440 it

01:05:02.580 that he was

01:05:03.420 able

01:05:03.880 working class

01:05:05.220 whites

01:05:07.140 love Trump

01:05:09.040 Trump is

01:05:09.800 not a racist

01:05:10.800 I've never

01:05:11.960 seen any

01:05:12.780 sign of that

01:05:13.400 at all

01:05:13.960 and not a

01:05:14.720 white nationalist

01:05:15.400 at all

01:05:16.420 and hardly a

01:05:18.060 Christian

01:05:18.320 nationalist

01:05:18.860 but he

01:05:19.900 for some

01:05:20.500 reason had

01:05:21.320 an emotional

01:05:22.020 connection with

01:05:22.680 these voters

01:05:23.120 why do you

01:05:24.380 there's a concept

01:05:25.400 in sociology

01:05:26.700 called implicit

01:05:27.580 community

01:05:28.240 communities that

01:05:29.980 represent or

01:05:32.560 appeal to some

01:05:33.140 people without

01:05:33.980 actually saying

01:05:34.560 it explicitly

01:05:35.080 the classic

01:05:35.660 example with

01:05:36.400 NASCAR for

01:05:37.180 example

01:05:37.500 why is NASCAR

01:05:38.380 a white

01:05:39.240 stronghold

01:05:41.020 or everybody

01:05:41.760 watching NASCAR

01:05:42.440 is white

01:05:42.940 and the NASCAR

01:05:44.000 operatives

01:05:44.520 don't like this

01:05:45.940 they hate it

01:05:46.680 they constantly

01:05:47.460 trying to

01:05:47.780 diversify

01:05:48.340 Republican

01:05:49.120 Party is a

01:05:49.580 classic example

01:05:50.240 of this

01:05:50.800 without ever

01:05:52.180 doing anything

01:05:53.600 to deserve it

01:05:54.360 Republicans

01:05:55.480 have become

01:05:55.860 absolutely

01:05:56.140 unbeatable

01:05:56.480 in Virginia

01:05:56.920 and you

01:05:57.480 and I

01:05:57.680 both remember

01:05:58.300 when Democrats

01:05:59.620 were unbeatable

01:06:00.140 in Virginia

01:06:00.600 I forget

01:06:02.160 when the last

01:06:02.760 Republican

01:06:04.260 Democrat

01:06:06.600 to carry

01:06:06.940 West Virginia

01:06:07.480 was

01:06:07.660 but it

01:06:07.900 might have

01:06:08.180 been Clinton

01:06:09.920 and now

01:06:11.480 it's just

01:06:12.180 the Democrats

01:06:13.360 have ceased

01:06:13.740 to exist

01:06:14.160 in West Virginia

01:06:15.060 even though

01:06:15.560 this is a

01:06:15.840 very poor

01:06:16.240 state

01:06:16.580 Republicans

01:06:17.460 prevailed

01:06:17.900 simply by

01:06:18.560 virtue

01:06:18.820 of not being

01:06:19.320 Democrats

01:06:19.660 Bill Clinton

01:06:19.980 lost

01:06:20.420 California

01:06:21.080 in 92

01:06:21.900 and won

01:06:22.560 West Virginia

01:06:23.260 that's how

01:06:24.300 much has

01:06:24.640 changed

01:06:24.920 right

01:06:25.780 so

01:06:27.380 there's

01:06:28.740 something

01:06:28.920 that's

01:06:29.120 going on

01:06:29.460 at a very

01:06:29.820 deep

01:06:30.080 psychological

01:06:30.600 level

01:06:31.000 some kind

01:06:31.680 of implicit

01:06:32.660 signaling

01:06:33.740 it's baffling

01:06:35.280 now of course

01:06:37.200 he did say

01:06:37.860 you know

01:06:38.320 when he came

01:06:38.760 down the

01:06:39.100 elevator

01:06:39.440 and said

01:06:39.900 just a few

01:06:41.100 words about

01:06:41.660 Mexico

01:06:42.120 about Mexican

01:06:43.820 immigration

01:06:44.280 and never

01:06:45.340 looked back

01:06:45.820 so he obviously

01:06:46.580 struck a nerve

01:06:47.200 there

01:06:47.460 so he did

01:06:47.900 enough to

01:06:48.340 strike a nerve

01:06:48.900 simply by

01:06:49.460 raising

01:06:49.760 immigration

01:06:50.260 in this

01:06:50.560 rather

01:06:50.960 you know

01:06:53.520 I'm sure

01:06:54.800 it drives

01:06:55.100 Stephen Miller

01:06:55.560 crazy

01:06:56.020 incoherent

01:06:56.900 and peculiar

01:06:57.540 and if

01:06:57.900 he can't

01:06:58.340 forgets

01:06:58.760 his lines

01:06:59.140 and says

01:06:59.400 the wrong

01:06:59.700 thing

01:06:59.940 way that

01:07:00.340 Trump

01:07:00.600 does

01:07:00.940 talk about

01:07:01.860 immigration

01:07:02.380 but he did

01:07:04.080 raise it

01:07:04.740 and of course

01:07:05.140 until then

01:07:05.820 it was

01:07:06.200 it had been

01:07:06.980 driven out of

01:07:07.520 Republican

01:07:08.220 politics

01:07:08.660 completely

01:07:09.080 I know

01:07:09.540 we wrote

01:07:09.940 about it

01:07:10.340 for 16

01:07:11.580 years

01:07:11.660 you were

01:07:11.940 fired over

01:07:12.620 it

01:07:12.840 right

01:07:13.120 just

01:07:14.180 you know

01:07:14.680 there's

01:07:15.400 almost no

01:07:16.300 sign

01:07:16.680 that any

01:07:17.060 Republican

01:07:17.340 would pick

01:07:17.720 it up

01:07:18.040 but then

01:07:18.780 when he did

01:07:19.300 the dam

01:07:19.620 broke

01:07:19.880 and now

01:07:20.220 what a big

01:07:20.900 difference

01:07:21.380 I found

01:07:22.100 Tucker

01:07:23.660 is

01:07:24.220 if you speak

01:07:26.920 to grassroots

01:07:27.420 Republicans

01:07:28.040 as opposed

01:07:29.000 to elected

01:07:29.360 Republicans

01:07:29.920 the consensus

01:07:31.660 is overwhelming

01:07:32.160 that immigration

01:07:32.760 has got to be

01:07:33.260 ended

01:07:33.520 the consensus

01:07:34.900 is overwhelming

01:07:35.540 whereas

01:07:36.440 when I

01:07:37.320 got involved

01:07:38.180 in this

01:07:38.500 in the early

01:07:38.880 90s

01:07:39.680 a lot of

01:07:40.180 Republicans

01:07:40.480 never heard

01:07:41.020 of this

01:07:41.260 question

01:07:41.660 and they

01:07:42.240 would assume

01:07:42.700 for example

01:07:43.160 that immigrants

01:07:44.420 don't go on

01:07:45.540 welfare

01:07:45.800 to the same

01:07:46.280 extent

01:07:46.540 that native

01:07:46.960 born do

01:07:47.300 which is

01:07:47.560 completely wrong

01:07:48.180 it's completely

01:07:48.600 reversed

01:07:48.920 the truth

01:07:49.180 and it was

01:07:49.500 back then

01:07:49.980 it was obvious

01:07:50.640 that they were

01:07:50.940 going back

01:07:51.320 into welfare

01:07:52.120 in disproportionate

01:07:54.800 numbers

01:07:55.080 but people

01:07:55.620 didn't know

01:07:56.180 and the

01:07:57.180 Wall Street Journal

01:07:57.580 is not telling

01:07:58.100 them

01:07:58.320 well the

01:07:58.960 Wall Street Journal

01:07:59.320 still isn't

01:07:59.760 telling them

01:08:00.160 but they do

01:08:00.580 know now

01:08:01.040 and maybe

01:08:02.620 we played

01:08:02.980 a role

01:08:03.260 in that

01:08:03.480 well yeah

01:08:04.020 and it's

01:08:04.500 had

01:08:05.200 such a

01:08:06.800 complex

01:08:07.480 and degrading

01:08:08.620 effect on the

01:08:09.280 native population

01:08:10.180 it hasn't been

01:08:11.160 it's not just

01:08:11.820 a matter of

01:08:12.280 competition

01:08:12.760 in the job

01:08:13.240 market

01:08:13.600 or my

01:08:14.020 tech job

01:08:15.420 went to an

01:08:15.860 Indian

01:08:16.140 or something

01:08:16.600 it's way more

01:08:17.640 complicated than

01:08:18.320 that

01:08:18.500 and as

01:08:19.100 you know

01:08:20.140 immigrant communities

01:08:21.260 became totally

01:08:22.080 dependent on federal

01:08:22.900 benefits

01:08:23.560 it changed the

01:08:25.440 incentive structure

01:08:26.040 for native born

01:08:27.240 communities

01:08:27.760 and a lot of

01:08:28.300 them started

01:08:28.940 going on it

01:08:30.160 right

01:08:30.520 at higher rates

01:08:31.300 also

01:08:31.660 so it just

01:08:32.260 it created a vortex

01:08:33.600 that's hurt

01:08:34.100 everybody I think

01:08:35.120 especially the whites

01:08:36.000 where does it go

01:08:37.940 from here

01:08:38.760 the big thing

01:08:41.200 that has to

01:08:41.640 the next

01:08:42.040 if I was still

01:08:42.820 running VDR

01:08:43.440 and on my own

01:08:44.940 website

01:08:45.540 peterbrimmo.com

01:08:46.540 now

01:08:46.820 what I'm interested

01:08:48.860 in is legal

01:08:49.300 immigration

01:08:49.820 legal immigration

01:08:50.920 is still running

01:08:51.600 at a million a year

01:08:52.520 no

01:08:53.340 that puts

01:08:54.440 the fact

01:08:55.760 that the

01:08:56.240 foreign born

01:08:56.860 population

01:08:57.360 in the US

01:08:57.780 has fallen

01:08:58.340 by two and a

01:08:58.980 half million

01:08:59.520 in the last

01:09:00.820 and just joined

01:09:01.840 this year

01:09:02.260 that's an

01:09:02.600 extraordinary

01:09:03.100 number

01:09:03.540 I used to

01:09:04.380 track if you

01:09:04.940 dare

01:09:05.080 the foreign

01:09:05.520 born population

01:09:06.260 because it's

01:09:06.680 the way of

01:09:07.340 tracking the

01:09:08.440 impact of

01:09:09.100 immigration

01:09:09.500 it's very

01:09:10.400 rarely goes

01:09:11.020 negative

01:09:11.480 it went

01:09:11.980 negative

01:09:12.400 briefly

01:09:13.120 when Trump

01:09:14.660 first got in

01:09:15.340 because they

01:09:15.600 were frightened

01:09:16.020 of him

01:09:16.320 and a lot

01:09:16.660 of the

01:09:16.820 illegals

01:09:17.180 left

01:09:17.560 and then

01:09:18.100 towards the

01:09:18.580 end

01:09:18.820 before COVID

01:09:19.740 it was falling

01:09:20.440 because of

01:09:21.140 various

01:09:21.520 technical

01:09:22.580 executive action

01:09:23.560 measures

01:09:23.880 that Trump

01:09:24.300 had taken

01:09:24.660 the administration

01:09:25.280 had taken

01:09:25.680 to tighten

01:09:26.100 up on

01:09:26.460 both legal

01:09:27.940 immigration

01:09:28.220 and illegal

01:09:28.720 immigration

01:09:29.180 now

01:09:29.660 it's

01:09:30.160 two and a

01:09:30.800 half

01:09:30.960 million

01:09:31.220 gone

01:09:31.440 four and

01:09:31.880 two and a

01:09:32.160 half

01:09:32.280 million

01:09:32.620 foreign

01:09:33.260 population

01:09:33.900 even though

01:09:34.780 we know

01:09:35.160 a million

01:09:35.980 legal

01:09:37.840 immigrants

01:09:38.440 have come

01:09:38.780 in

01:09:38.900 90%

01:09:39.480 of them

01:09:39.700 colored

01:09:39.920 by the

01:09:40.220 way

01:09:40.360 only about

01:09:40.760 10%

01:09:41.220 white

01:09:41.600 so what

01:09:43.000 we really

01:09:43.340 need is an

01:09:43.760 immigration

01:09:44.060 moratorium

01:09:44.700 and I'm

01:09:46.520 delighted to

01:09:46.960 say there is

01:09:47.740 a bill

01:09:48.140 proposed by

01:09:49.180 Chip Roy

01:09:49.740 in the

01:09:51.320 house

01:09:51.760 called

01:09:54.020 the

01:09:54.700 PAWS

01:09:55.060 Act

01:09:55.700 calling for

01:09:58.200 moratorium

01:10:00.000 and there's

01:10:00.360 several other

01:10:00.760 very interesting

01:10:01.240 bills

01:10:01.520 there's a

01:10:01.700 very good

01:10:02.020 bill on

01:10:02.320 birthright

01:10:02.700 citizenship

01:10:03.220 secure

01:10:05.380 the

01:10:05.680 border

01:10:05.940 in other

01:10:06.760 words

01:10:07.080 they should

01:10:08.520 codify

01:10:10.320 Trump's

01:10:10.880 activities

01:10:13.580 tighten up

01:10:14.180 on the

01:10:15.160 executive action

01:10:15.900 tighten up

01:10:16.360 on the

01:10:17.120 southern border

01:10:17.540 because we

01:10:17.900 know

01:10:18.220 that when

01:10:18.740 the democrats

01:10:19.200 can get in

01:10:19.740 they'll

01:10:19.940 reverse it

01:10:20.620 but they

01:10:21.200 won't be

01:10:21.440 able to

01:10:21.680 do that

01:10:22.080 if it's

01:10:24.960 in the

01:10:25.480 law

01:10:25.760 they'll have

01:10:26.380 to pass

01:10:26.780 a law

01:10:27.580 and have

01:10:28.040 to admit

01:10:28.340 what they're

01:10:28.720 doing

01:10:28.920 the

01:10:29.980 problem

01:10:30.240 is that

01:10:30.580 the

01:10:30.740 white

01:10:30.960 house

01:10:31.200 seems to

01:10:31.580 be

01:10:31.780 is not

01:10:33.100 pushing

01:10:33.400 any of

01:10:33.760 these

01:10:34.080 bills

01:10:34.800 and unless

01:10:35.480 they do

01:10:35.900 I don't

01:10:36.280 think that

01:10:36.800 speaker

01:10:37.200 johnson is

01:10:37.780 going to

01:10:38.060 raise

01:10:38.280 anything

01:10:38.640 he's just

01:10:39.360 going to

01:10:40.900 lie low

01:10:42.180 and I

01:10:43.800 don't know

01:10:44.180 why the

01:10:44.540 white

01:10:44.740 house

01:10:44.940 isn't

01:10:45.160 pushing

01:10:45.440 these

01:10:45.720 bills

01:10:46.100 of course

01:10:46.720 it's got

01:10:46.960 its hands

01:10:47.360 full

01:10:47.680 in

01:10:48.200 Minnesota

01:10:49.600 where they

01:10:50.100 clearly need

01:10:50.560 to declare

01:10:50.940 the

01:10:51.140 insurrection

01:10:51.520 act

01:10:51.820 and that

01:10:52.120 kind of

01:10:52.440 thing

01:10:52.640 and they

01:10:52.880 keep going

01:10:53.780 around

01:10:54.080 blowing up

01:10:54.640 foreign

01:10:54.940 governments

01:10:55.660 and stuff

01:10:56.060 like that

01:10:56.500 and sinking

01:10:57.160 ships

01:10:57.500 and stuff

01:10:57.840 which must

01:10:58.940 be very

01:10:59.240 entertaining

01:10:59.680 but I

01:11:00.860 would really

01:11:01.240 rather than

01:11:01.640 focus on

01:11:02.860 ending

01:11:03.780 this

01:11:04.140 immigration

01:11:06.640 disaster

01:11:07.580 you know

01:11:08.940 it's

01:11:10.500 whatever it is

01:11:11.300 34 years now

01:11:12.280 since I

01:11:12.700 started writing

01:11:13.420 about this

01:11:13.820 in National

01:11:14.180 Review

01:11:14.520 I'm 78

01:11:15.740 I can't wait

01:11:16.520 much longer

01:11:17.080 I think

01:11:18.120 let's just

01:11:18.400 get on

01:11:18.840 with it

01:11:19.160 and you

01:11:20.280 have a

01:11:20.500 number of

01:11:20.800 children

01:11:21.040 who will

01:11:21.480 inherit

01:11:21.740 the country

01:11:22.560 that's really

01:11:23.300 the point

01:11:23.840 you know

01:11:24.280 people

01:11:24.520 occasionally

01:11:24.980 yeah

01:11:27.560 people say

01:11:28.680 okay

01:11:29.000 I get

01:11:29.280 attacked all

01:11:29.760 the time

01:11:30.100 for not

01:11:30.720 being

01:11:30.940 an immigrant

01:11:31.640 my position

01:11:32.480 is you

01:11:32.800 know

01:11:32.900 I'm an

01:11:33.380 immigrant

01:11:34.060 doing a

01:11:34.620 dirty job

01:11:35.080 that Americans

01:11:35.600 won't do

01:11:36.140 talk about

01:11:37.640 immigration

01:11:38.060 but the real

01:11:38.660 reason is

01:11:39.080 I have

01:11:39.360 children here

01:11:39.920 my youngest

01:11:40.540 child is

01:11:40.920 10 years

01:11:41.320 old

01:11:41.640 and

01:11:42.140 God knows

01:11:43.960 what the

01:11:44.200 country

01:11:44.340 is going

01:11:44.520 to be

01:11:44.740 like

01:11:44.920 by the

01:11:45.240 time

01:11:45.460 she

01:11:45.660 you know

01:11:46.580 she's a

01:11:48.460 grown woman

01:11:49.020 are you

01:11:50.400 bitter

01:11:50.640 I've been

01:11:54.260 extremely blessed

01:11:54.920 in my

01:11:55.360 personal life

01:11:56.280 even though

01:11:58.160 my first

01:11:58.560 wife died

01:11:59.220 so

01:12:00.000 I don't

01:12:03.340 think

01:12:03.760 I think

01:12:08.860 things could

01:12:09.400 have worked

01:12:09.680 out differently

01:12:10.180 for me

01:12:10.720 professionally

01:12:11.460 but in my

01:12:12.760 personal life

01:12:13.300 I'm very

01:12:13.600 blessed

01:12:13.940 you don't

01:12:15.420 you don't seem

01:12:15.620 angry

01:12:15.980 my read

01:12:17.680 on it

01:12:17.920 is what

01:12:18.180 happened

01:12:18.520 to you

01:12:18.800 is

01:12:19.040 grotesque

01:12:20.280 and

01:12:20.840 is evil

01:12:21.680 and not

01:12:23.040 the kind

01:12:23.360 of thing

01:12:23.620 I thought

01:12:24.020 would ever

01:12:24.740 be allowed

01:12:25.200 here

01:12:25.500 so I'm

01:12:26.860 shocked

01:12:27.380 always shocked

01:12:28.260 to hear

01:12:28.560 your story

01:12:28.980 I am

01:12:29.840 I guess

01:12:31.100 I am

01:12:31.420 bitter

01:12:31.720 at the

01:12:32.260 conservative

01:12:32.560 movement

01:12:32.980 people

01:12:33.380 I've known

01:12:34.640 for 30

01:12:35.460 40 years

01:12:36.040 who basically

01:12:36.520 haven't helped

01:12:37.020 us

01:12:37.260 haven't defended

01:12:37.900 us

01:12:38.240 the most

01:12:41.380 prominent

01:12:41.700 people who

01:12:42.140 have defended

01:12:42.620 us

01:12:42.880 are you

01:12:43.740 and Laura

01:12:44.520 Loomer

01:12:44.740 your friend

01:12:46.020 Laura Loomer

01:12:46.520 so that

01:12:48.820 just shows

01:12:49.400 how ecumenically

01:12:50.060 we are

01:12:50.660 so Loomer

01:12:54.200 helped you

01:12:54.660 oh yeah

01:12:55.200 she supported

01:12:56.660 us on Twitter

01:12:57.500 when we were

01:12:58.080 good for her

01:12:58.820 when we were

01:12:59.160 trying to

01:12:59.480 raise money

01:12:59.940 to defend

01:13:00.840 ourselves

01:13:01.340 and she

01:13:01.780 may have

01:13:02.080 I have a

01:13:02.620 give send go

01:13:03.220 which I just

01:13:03.820 launched

01:13:04.200 before Christmas

01:13:05.440 frankly

01:13:05.920 to help us

01:13:06.800 personally

01:13:07.180 because of course

01:13:07.620 we're now

01:13:08.040 facing tremendous

01:13:09.180 legal costs

01:13:09.900 personally

01:13:10.360 and I believe

01:13:11.840 she's helped

01:13:12.160 us with that

01:13:12.740 have you received

01:13:14.300 any help

01:13:14.700 from the

01:13:14.940 Department of

01:13:15.340 Justice

01:13:15.600 we know

01:13:19.360 that there

01:13:19.960 are people

01:13:20.400 in the

01:13:20.640 Department of

01:13:21.000 Justice

01:13:21.220 who are

01:13:22.000 not directly

01:13:25.300 on the other

01:13:26.500 hand Trump

01:13:26.880 can't stand

01:13:27.420 Letitia James

01:13:28.300 quite rightly

01:13:29.360 and they've

01:13:30.740 made various

01:13:31.220 attempts to

01:13:31.680 bring her

01:13:32.080 to book

01:13:32.400 for various

01:13:33.000 crimes

01:13:33.360 for one

01:13:33.780 thing

01:13:33.920 I mean

01:13:34.080 she's clearly

01:13:34.540 guilty

01:13:34.800 of massive

01:13:35.180 mortgage fraud

01:13:35.820 going back

01:13:36.220 over 40 years

01:13:37.060 but you know

01:13:37.940 the obverse

01:13:38.540 of lawfare

01:13:39.360 run by

01:13:40.060 Democrats

01:13:40.480 is joint

01:13:40.980 notification

01:13:41.640 by Democrats

01:13:42.460 they've been

01:13:43.720 unable to

01:13:44.240 indict her

01:13:44.800 basically because

01:13:47.120 judges

01:13:47.520 keep disallowing

01:13:48.340 the prosecutors

01:13:49.020 and because

01:13:49.580 the grand

01:13:50.040 juries

01:13:50.320 won't indict

01:13:51.840 Democrats

01:13:53.840 so I don't

01:13:57.340 know where

01:13:57.620 that stands

01:13:58.560 they also have

01:13:59.520 an investigation

01:14:00.040 into her

01:14:01.000 deprivation

01:14:01.620 of Trump's

01:14:02.760 civil rights

01:14:03.320 in these

01:14:03.940 scandalous

01:14:04.780 cases

01:14:05.220 in this

01:14:06.280 hush money

01:14:06.720 case

01:14:07.120 and the

01:14:07.700 fraud case

01:14:08.640 and so on

01:14:09.080 we should

01:14:09.520 never have been

01:14:10.020 allowed to go

01:14:10.400 to court

01:14:10.860 the judges

01:14:11.240 should have

01:14:11.540 started

01:14:11.800 but of course

01:14:12.220 the judges

01:14:12.560 are on the

01:14:12.860 other side

01:14:13.420 and a judge

01:14:14.780 is just trying

01:14:15.300 to strike that

01:14:16.580 down by

01:14:17.180 disallowing

01:14:19.200 the prosecutor

01:14:19.880 I mean

01:14:20.340 what's happening

01:14:20.980 is these

01:14:21.540 Democrats

01:14:22.160 senators

01:14:22.800 not only

01:14:24.640 have the

01:14:25.040 power to

01:14:25.620 veto

01:14:26.000 judicial

01:14:27.040 appointments

01:14:27.440 federal

01:14:27.640 judicial

01:14:28.000 appointments

01:14:28.500 but they

01:14:28.860 also have

01:14:29.260 the power

01:14:29.520 apparently

01:14:29.960 to veto

01:14:30.800 prosecutors

01:14:32.120 federal

01:14:32.440 prosecutors

01:14:33.040 and they've

01:14:34.200 apparently

01:14:34.920 taken the

01:14:35.440 position

01:14:35.720 that they

01:14:36.060 won't

01:14:36.980 allow

01:14:38.020 the appointment

01:14:38.760 of a

01:14:39.060 federal

01:14:39.240 prosecutor

01:14:39.680 if he's

01:14:40.200 likely to

01:14:40.580 prosecute

01:14:40.940 Letitia

01:14:41.300 James

01:14:41.580 or any

01:14:42.240 other

01:14:42.460 Democrats

01:14:43.000 and God

01:14:43.780 knows

01:14:44.040 there are

01:14:44.180 enough

01:14:44.340 Democrats

01:14:44.720 out there

01:14:45.060 that need

01:14:45.380 prosecuting

01:14:46.000 that's how

01:14:46.720 they're

01:14:46.860 protecting

01:14:47.240 them

01:14:47.520 in many respects

01:14:48.760 we're looking

01:14:49.380 to slow

01:14:50.240 motion civil

01:14:50.820 war here

01:14:51.520 New York

01:14:52.260 and Minnesota

01:14:54.560 have essentially

01:14:55.100 seceded from

01:14:55.660 the union

01:14:56.060 the whole

01:14:57.200 legal systems

01:14:57.920 are opposed

01:14:58.940 to what the

01:14:59.580 federal government

01:15:00.060 is doing

01:15:00.600 Jonathan Turley

01:15:02.140 who is a

01:15:02.660 first amendment

01:15:03.100 specialist

01:15:03.700 wrote recently

01:15:05.120 that New York

01:15:06.380 is the land

01:15:07.480 that law

01:15:07.820 forgot

01:15:08.320 because

01:15:09.140 normal

01:15:09.860 legal

01:15:10.140 norms

01:15:10.420 simply

01:15:10.660 don't

01:15:10.880 apply

01:15:11.180 there

01:15:11.440 what

01:15:12.680 happens

01:15:13.040 is what

01:15:13.380 the

01:15:13.740 democrat

01:15:14.080 operatives

01:15:14.660 want

01:15:15.080 and of course

01:15:15.960 this is not

01:15:16.500 a government

01:15:17.720 under law

01:15:18.340 so in effect

01:15:20.220 New York

01:15:20.560 is seceding

01:15:21.520 from the

01:15:22.920 union

01:15:23.200 and that's

01:15:25.120 why I think

01:15:25.560 ultimately

01:15:25.900 we're going to

01:15:26.220 have to go

01:15:26.500 to the

01:15:26.700 insurrection

01:15:27.160 act

01:15:27.460 and we're

01:15:27.700 going to

01:15:27.920 have to

01:15:28.420 go to

01:15:28.620 wholesale

01:15:29.040 impeachment

01:15:29.520 of judges

01:15:30.120 all these

01:15:31.180 judges

01:15:31.480 brought in

01:15:31.900 by

01:15:32.080 Biden

01:15:32.440 I think

01:15:34.360 he had

01:15:34.600 one or

01:15:34.980 two

01:15:35.140 white

01:15:35.440 men

01:15:35.640 both

01:15:35.860 of whom

01:15:36.060 were gay

01:15:36.380 something

01:15:36.660 like that

01:15:37.140 all the

01:15:37.720 others

01:15:37.940 women

01:15:38.600 and people

01:15:39.220 of color

01:15:39.560 and so on

01:15:40.060 and they

01:15:40.880 delivered

01:15:41.160 the most

01:15:41.480 extraordinary

01:15:41.940 rulings

01:15:42.480 disregarding the

01:15:45.000 plain letter

01:15:45.420 of the law

01:15:45.900 ultimately

01:15:46.440 it's going to

01:15:46.780 have to be

01:15:47.060 purged

01:15:47.300 of the

01:15:48.300 judicial

01:15:48.860 system

01:15:50.440 Trump

01:15:52.280 when that

01:15:52.720 happens

01:15:53.100 Trump will

01:15:53.520 be attacked

01:15:54.420 as destroying

01:15:55.400 the third

01:15:56.160 branch of

01:15:56.580 government

01:15:56.980 but it's

01:15:58.200 been

01:15:59.480 completely

01:15:59.900 destroyed

01:16:00.300 long

01:16:00.960 before

01:16:01.160 Trump

01:16:01.440 right

01:16:01.800 my last

01:16:06.360 question to

01:16:06.820 you Peter

01:16:07.220 Burlund

01:16:07.460 thank you so

01:16:07.920 much for

01:16:08.440 doing this

01:16:09.080 is are

01:16:11.040 you hopeful

01:16:11.940 I have

01:16:18.100 a I have

01:16:18.900 a one of

01:16:20.580 the things

01:16:21.080 I want to

01:16:21.420 be remembered

01:16:21.780 for is

01:16:22.240 based on a

01:16:23.680 talk I gave

01:16:24.280 in about

01:16:24.580 2015 is

01:16:25.600 that miracles

01:16:26.100 happen quite

01:16:26.560 often in

01:16:26.960 politics

01:16:27.420 yes

01:16:27.880 I mean

01:16:28.420 nobody

01:16:29.040 nobody

01:16:29.760 expected

01:16:30.080 the Soviet

01:16:30.380 Union

01:16:30.580 collapse

01:16:31.000 are you

01:16:31.260 old enough

01:16:31.500 to remember

01:16:31.840 that

01:16:32.120 I'm 56

01:16:32.960 yeah I

01:16:33.460 remember it

01:16:33.900 like it was

01:16:34.660 yesterday

01:16:35.060 30 years ago

01:16:35.900 30 years ago

01:16:37.020 I mean

01:16:39.060 that's literally

01:16:39.520 true

01:16:39.740 nobody

01:16:40.080 nobody

01:16:40.440 either on the

01:16:40.880 left or the

01:16:41.360 right

01:16:41.520 expected

01:16:41.900 the Soviet

01:16:42.220 collapse

01:16:42.700 on the

01:16:42.960 other hand

01:16:43.420 you know

01:16:45.060 I don't

01:16:45.340 think they

01:16:45.620 expected

01:16:46.040 the

01:16:46.480 Catholic

01:16:47.200 Church

01:16:47.520 to go

01:16:47.720 in the

01:16:47.860 direction

01:16:48.100 it went

01:16:48.460 in Vatican

01:16:49.120 2

01:16:49.500 and

01:16:49.940 and

01:16:50.540 on the

01:16:53.000 third

01:16:53.240 hand

01:16:53.560 nobody

01:16:54.020 expected

01:16:54.520 Trump

01:16:55.340 and he

01:16:56.520 has been

01:16:56.720 a miracle

01:16:57.100 I mean

01:16:57.420 he's changed

01:16:57.760 the situation

01:16:58.180 in so many

01:16:58.600 ways

01:16:59.340 not of which

01:17:00.120 I think he

01:17:00.840 has probably

01:17:01.280 thought about

01:17:01.760 but he does

01:17:02.480 it anyway

01:17:02.880 so I'm hopeful

01:17:05.060 because I think

01:17:05.600 miracles happen

01:17:06.820 in politics

01:17:07.480 frequently but we

01:17:09.300 need one

01:17:09.740 the situation

01:17:11.120 right now

01:17:11.660 we're heading

01:17:12.140 in a very

01:17:12.460 very bad

01:17:12.820 direction

01:17:13.280 and

01:17:13.760 in the

01:17:14.880 situation

01:17:15.340 with

01:17:15.600 where

01:17:16.460 you know

01:17:17.340 Democrat

01:17:17.920 politicians

01:17:18.500 are openly

01:17:19.020 calling people

01:17:19.680 to disobey

01:17:20.540 federal law

01:17:21.380 disobey

01:17:22.300 law

01:17:22.740 prevent ICE

01:17:24.260 from

01:17:24.480 deporting

01:17:25.360 illegals

01:17:25.900 that's more

01:17:29.820 extreme

01:17:30.360 than

01:17:30.660 ever happened

01:17:31.760 in the

01:17:32.060 south

01:17:32.440 during

01:17:33.660 desegregation

01:17:34.560 much more

01:17:35.220 it's more

01:17:35.620 extreme

01:17:35.940 than what

01:17:36.840 the south

01:17:37.200 did

01:17:37.560 at

01:17:38.240 Fort

01:17:38.880 Sumter

01:17:39.240 I mean

01:17:40.120 this is

01:17:40.880 insurrection

01:17:41.460 actual

01:17:42.040 insurrection

01:17:42.540 that's right

01:17:43.400 it's insurrection

01:17:44.580 and of course

01:17:45.980 Eisenhower and

01:17:47.820 Kennedy did use

01:17:48.460 the insurrection

01:17:48.940 act to impose

01:17:49.660 integration

01:17:50.300 he sent the

01:17:54.880 101st Airborne

01:17:55.760 to a high school

01:17:56.500 right

01:17:57.380 with the

01:17:59.520 total applause

01:18:00.240 from the

01:18:01.000 mainstream media

01:18:02.160 which was then

01:18:02.520 of course

01:18:02.860 completely

01:18:03.440 oligopolistic

01:18:05.660 I mean

01:18:05.960 it was

01:18:06.260 dominant

01:18:06.880 at least now

01:18:08.060 we have

01:18:08.600 we have

01:18:08.980 twitter

01:18:09.220 even if

01:18:09.620 we are

01:18:09.880 shadow

01:18:10.120 band

01:18:10.360 on twitter

01:18:10.860 are you

01:18:11.680 still

01:18:11.860 shadow

01:18:12.120 band

01:18:12.300 oh yeah

01:18:12.680 well as far

01:18:13.400 as we can

01:18:13.660 see we are

01:18:14.200 Anne

01:18:14.920 Colder

01:18:15.300 you know

01:18:15.840 her

01:18:16.080 her

01:18:16.380 followership

01:18:17.960 has not

01:18:18.340 risen

01:18:18.640 for like

01:18:19.340 six years

01:18:19.960 it's been

01:18:20.240 2.1 million

01:18:21.040 for six years

01:18:21.660 it doesn't go up

01:18:22.140 it doesn't go

01:18:22.480 down

01:18:22.760 I mean

01:18:23.040 it's obvious

01:18:23.760 you can see

01:18:24.240 from the

01:18:24.520 engagement

01:18:24.940 that there's

01:18:25.820 something

01:18:26.040 very strange

01:18:27.040 going on

01:18:27.420 it's all

01:18:29.260 the Indians

01:18:29.640 he has in

01:18:30.060 there

01:18:30.200 he hasn't

01:18:30.400 been able to

01:18:30.660 root them

01:18:30.920 out yet

01:18:31.380 thank you

01:18:34.620 very much

01:18:35.200 thank you

01:18:35.620 sorry

01:18:35.840 Hans

01:18:38.340 you

01:18:38.500 you

01:18:39.560 you

01:18:41.300 you

01:18:42.300 you

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 19, 2026

Peter Brimelow on the Invasion of America, Who’s Behind It, and How Long Until Total Collapse

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