The Tucker Carlson Show - President Nayib Bukele： Seeking God’s Wisdom, Taking Down MS-13, and His Advice to Donald Trump

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00:00:26.300 at tucker carlson.com here's the episode mr president thank you for having us thank you

00:00:31.360 at your camp david which is beautiful um so you were inaugurated two days ago this is a small

00:00:38.120 country and yet your inauguration was international news was everywhere why why do you think that is

00:00:44.380 well it was a shock for for us too i mean we know we knew that a lot of uh people were was

00:00:49.960 were coming and and i mean that will draw some attention of course we have uh we had big

00:00:56.220 delegations from a lot with 110 countries uh so of course that will draw news because you know if a

00:01:03.820 chancellor comes from a country then he brings his you know his media team and that and that will

00:01:08.560 create some news over there and if a president comes or a king comes that will create some news

00:01:13.580 even you you came so you know that creates some news but uh why were they coming well i don't

00:01:20.960 know different different reasons of course i i could ask you why did you come right i came because

00:01:26.860 i think something remarkable is happening here that's why but i'm interested in why you think

00:01:31.500 people came yeah i uh different reasons definitely different different reasons for example the

00:01:37.340 uh the u.s government sent a uh big delegation but then we have a we had also a delegation from

00:01:45.440 congress yes that started as a republican delegation but then the democrats jump in the wagon and we have

00:01:51.160 a by part we had a bipartisan delegation from congress so you know it's like uh so it adds up i i don't know

00:02:00.640 at the end what happened but i think that it's like it's like how a star you know how stars are born

00:02:05.720 they say that you know debris it starts joining up and it and if they be they become an asteroid

00:02:12.480 but if more debris joins up it becomes a planet because the you know the gravitational pull

00:02:18.500 the more debris comes up it becomes a star because then the gravitational pull is too big

00:02:23.760 so that's uh that's called critical mass so i don't know sometimes just you know by by because you

00:02:31.680 know god wants it like that or just a stroke of luck or whatever

00:02:34.560 uh you get some critical mass in something you're doing and then it becomes bigger than what you

00:02:41.060 than the the sum of all of its parts so i don't know probably got some critical mass that we didn't

00:02:47.060 we didn't foresee my guess is that of all the countries in the hemisphere el salvador seemed

00:02:53.100 in the toughest shape or close to the bottom in the rankings for everything yes yes lacking

00:02:59.560 abundant natural resources etc this is the country was born is that true yes i mean the country has

00:03:05.040 been poor since it was born yeah lacking everything basically lacking everything with a dense population

00:03:11.500 a lot of people packed in yeah um so what do you how did you change it i guess i'll cut right to it

00:03:19.320 if you can fix el salvador what are the lessons for the rest of us what did you do first

00:03:22.900 well of course uh you cannot do anything if you don't have peace right and when i say peace i i

00:03:32.140 include war civil wars invasion uh crime i mean you need to have peace you need to be able to move

00:03:40.620 freely to have your your basic uh basic rights respected uh uh starting with the with the right to to live

00:03:51.140 the right to move the right to have property so you need your basic rights being to be respected so you

00:03:59.040 need peace that's the first thing a society will struggle to achieve and once you uh once you achieve peace

00:04:07.620 peace then you can struggle for all the other things like you know uh

00:04:11.580 uh infrastructure wealth yes uh well-being quality of life but you have to start with peace so we we

00:04:21.520 we had to start with peace and in the case of el salvador we will we're literally the murder capital

00:04:25.900 of the world yes and we turn it into the safest country in the western hemisphere we're safer than

00:04:31.600 any other country in the western hemisphere which is you know it was if i if i would have said that

00:04:36.300 five years ago they would say that i was crazy right yes because this was the literally the most

00:04:41.220 dangerous country in the whole world your capital is now safer than our capital yes yes yes and the

00:04:47.260 country is safer than the united states as a whole yes uh the the u.s murder rates around six murders

00:04:53.460 per 100 000 inhabitants and our murder rate is two so we're safer than canada safer than chile is safer

00:04:59.700 than uruguay safer than the u.s safer than any country in the western hemisphere there are countries in the

00:05:04.960 in the other hemisphere that are safer than salvador but not in the not in the western hemisphere

00:05:08.980 so you did that in just a couple years yes we did that in basically in three years

00:05:15.780 so what just bottom line it for us what's the formula well i can tell you the official formula and

00:05:23.580 the real formula okay so the official formula is that we did a plan i mean we did a plan it's not

00:05:30.420 that when i say official i mean it's a lie it's just you know the official one we did a a a plan

00:05:37.200 that was comprised of phases so we roll up the first phase then the next one then the next one

00:05:43.180 and then uh gangs started attacking back so we need to we had to roll up everything at once like in a in a

00:05:50.760 hurry so and um and it it worked it worked in a couple of weeks uh we we the country was transformed

00:05:59.200 because the gangs were were not yet arrested but they were in the run so we had we basically

00:06:06.620 uh in the roll up of phase six we basically uh pacified the country in a couple of weeks

00:06:16.000 how do you do that how do you pacify a country well with the phases included uh building up of the

00:06:22.440 police forces the army we doubled the army we literally doubled the army to fight crime to to

00:06:28.140 to to use the army to fight crime and uh we equipped them uh before like soldiers we didn't have like

00:06:35.500 you know like useful guns or you know uh vehicles drones you know basic things that that uh

00:06:45.240 an operation of that magnitude would need so

00:06:49.700 yeah we we we roll up the phases and then and then we we we went after them okay so that's the

00:06:59.560 official that's the official yeah that's the official what what's what's the real it's a miracle

00:07:04.660 it's a miracle yeah i love that what do you mean yeah it's a miracle you know uh

00:07:11.060 when when gangs started uh to attacking us back basically they they killed uh 87 people in three

00:07:22.180 days which for a country of six million people it's it's crazy would be the equivalent uh 60 times

00:07:32.080 would be the equivalent of having 5 000 deaths in three days in three five thousand murders

00:07:37.600 in the u.s in three days wow yeah so we were in we were in a meeting and well when when it started

00:07:45.720 not when it ended but when it started we were in the meeting at my office 3 a.m 4 a.m just watching

00:07:52.720 you know the the what was happening and trying to figure out what to do because the problem with

00:07:57.520 gangs is that um they don't they don't only attack their objectives when they want to create terror

00:08:06.700 they can attack anyone so they can actually kill their grandma yes and it's your victim yes because

00:08:14.560 they don't care about their grandma you you care about their grandma so it's your victim is if they

00:08:18.580 kill their grandma you have one one death and they have uh you know they achieved the terror that they

00:08:26.180 want to create so they can kill any anybody a woman walking by a guy and working in the street a taxi

00:08:33.700 driver you know they can kill anybody and if the if the if the state goes after them the state has no

00:08:41.380 intention of of um killing or harming anybody but the gang members so you have you have 70 000

00:08:50.660 objectives which were the 70 000 gang members but they have six million possible targets

00:08:59.220 so it was almost an impossible task it's a guerrilla war really yes it is but it was an impossible task

00:09:08.020 because you you have to go after them they were intertwined with the population they were everywhere

00:09:14.100 and they were killing randomly so how do you stop them so we really would try to figure out what to do

00:09:21.380 and uh and uh i basically said well we i mean it's we we are we're looking at into an impossible impossible

00:09:32.180 mission here so we pray and uh and we and we you prayed in the meeting yes yes of course several times

00:09:44.340 yeah yeah what did you pray for now to the wisdom to to win the war to have i thought at the time that

00:09:53.060 we would have civilian casualties so we we said we prayed that the civilian casualties will be as low as

00:10:00.020 possible and we didn't have any civilian casualties and was everyone in the meeting comfortable with that

00:10:07.940 yes yes they are every almost security cabinet are believers they all believe in god we're a secular

00:10:17.540 country of course but we all believe in god so yeah ms 13 is one of the major gangs and they are satanic

00:10:23.140 also that was my question so very little no no no but i i hope you will explain it because very little

00:10:28.740 has been written in the west about this they're satanic yes but but actually literally can you explain

00:10:35.780 well uh they didn't start as a satanic organization they they ms 13 started in in in los angeles in the us

00:10:44.980 because uh salvadorans weren't allowed to sell drugs by the mexican gangs so they created a gang

00:10:55.700 that was called um a the 18th street gang because they basically wanted to sell drugs in

00:11:01.380 in in a street that was 18th street over there but then uh division started to to create to

00:11:11.620 they started dividing themselves and started infighting so they created the ms 13 and uh and then ms 13

00:11:20.020 started started out growing the other gangs and they started you know exporting the organization to

00:11:27.460 other parts of the us and when bill clinton decided to uh deport those guys he didn't tell our government

00:11:35.940 at the time i'm deporting this criminal they just you know send them here and they came there were few

00:11:43.540 but unchecked at the same time some some laws were passed to protect minors from imprisonment

00:11:51.540 and of course the gangs used that to recruit 15 year olds 16 year olds 17 year olds so at the beginning

00:11:58.740 it was you know uh some youth causing harm assaulting you know trying to control their territories selling

00:12:07.300 drugs things that are bad but you know probably not critical but they grew they grew they grew and they

00:12:14.900 started controlling territories a few years a few years later they were actually a huge criminal and

00:12:21.540 huge international criminal organization that they have bases in italy uh guatemala honduras el salvador

00:12:28.900 the us basically a lot of major cities in the u.s will have strongholds right outside washington dc

00:12:36.340 yes of course and you have in in long island and yes in l.a it's it's it's a huge criminal international organization so

00:12:48.740 um so so they grew and they started you know uh killing more people to just to get territory or to fight

00:12:55.380 against rival gangs or to you know collect debts or you know money or whatever but as the organization grew

00:13:03.860 they became satanic they started doing satanic rituals i don't know exactly when that started but

00:13:08.500 it was well documented yes and we in our arrest we've even found the authors and things like that

00:13:14.260 yes i've seen them and um and so it's they became a a satanic organization and even when when you uh

00:13:21.940 sometimes when you interview uh gang members that are in prison they would say i'm out of the gang of

00:13:27.940 course they're in prison but they would say i'm not a member of the gang anymore and when they asked

00:13:31.780 them why i remember one i remember the news outlet that made it this this but it's a you know very

00:13:37.780 well-known news outlet that made this interview with a gang member in person we allowed them to go

00:13:41.780 into prisons and and do the interviews and the guy that they asked him how many people have you killed

00:13:48.180 and he said i don't remember yeah he didn't remember how many probably 10 20 he didn't remember

00:13:56.260 and then they asked him and are you what is your position in the gang he explained how he went up

00:14:02.180 in positions but i left the gang i said how why do you left the gang he said well because uh i was i mean

00:14:09.540 i was you i was used to kill there i was used to to kill people um but i killed for territory i killed for to

00:14:20.260 collect uh money i killed for extortion but i came to the you know to this house and they were they

00:14:28.740 were about to kill a baby and he the killer that had killed tens of people said oh wait what are we

00:14:34.900 doing wait why why are we going to kill that baby and they told him because the beast asked for a baby

00:14:42.340 so we have to give him the baby so he said that he couldn't resist that so he left the gang

00:14:47.060 he's in prison because you know he's a killer but he left the gang because he couldn't uh tolerate

00:14:54.420 what he was seeing so human sacrifice was a part well in the in the united states a couple of weeks

00:15:00.020 ago or a couple of days ago i don't remember exactly i saw the news that they were they were going to

00:15:04.100 kill a young girl or they killed a young girl and they don't exactly remember because it was a it was

00:15:08.900 a satanic ritual what happened in the u.s a couple of weeks ago you may have come to the obvious

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00:15:49.620 tucker carlson dot com slash podcast you will not regret it so that's almost never described no in

00:15:58.340 english language press as clearly as you just described it no which is weird right well you sort of wonder

00:16:05.140 why yeah if there's a spiritual component that's driving it why not just say so yes but i guess

00:16:11.380 my point is you saw it as that yes yes of course there's a spiritual war and there's a physical

00:16:17.620 war and the physical war could be that's a that's the unofficial yes that's the unofficial version uh

00:16:24.580 the spiritual if you win the spiritual war it will reflect into the physical war so our i think our

00:16:32.340 i don't know what i would call it our impressive uh

00:16:40.900 victory was because we won the spiritual war very very fast well that leads me i didn't because

00:16:49.380 you didn't have competition i mean there were satanic i think that made it easier

00:16:55.700 in your inaugural and i was listening on headphones for the translations i just want to check this you

00:17:01.940 said we have achieved this great victory and made this a safe country and that's the predicate for

00:17:06.980 everything that follows and the next thing we're going to do in this term is to is to work in the

00:17:11.220 economy to make it better grow the economy yeah and you said i have a correct me if i'm wrong you said

00:17:14.820 i have a three-point plan and i'm thinking i wonder what that is i don't know start a federal reserve

00:17:19.380 bank and you said the first the first point of my plan is seek god's wisdom yes that is what you said

00:17:26.100 yeah i said that yeah why why would that be the first point of an economic why wouldn't it be

00:17:32.020 or what should be the first part of the well i think it should be yeah but i can't most people

00:17:36.740 will think that right i just i've never heard any leader of any country because because they're they

00:17:44.260 probably they forgot to represent the people that elect them that elect them yeah it's like you ask

00:17:50.820 most of the people that elect the politicians they said yeah that's that's fine yeah i believe that

00:17:55.860 but then you ask the politician and he said no no no that's not so who who is who is he tried to

00:18:01.380 pander into i mean it doesn't make sense right do you think it's a common sense thing to seek god's

00:18:10.180 wisdom of course yeah it's a prerequisite for wise decision making yes exactly so that's the first

00:18:15.940 part of our plan it's really it makes me laugh um do you think that that's one of the reasons that

00:18:24.740 your successes which are just measurable i'm not saying this for ideological reasons just a fact

00:18:28.980 that you've transformed the country in a good way and that you're literally the most popular elected

00:18:32.500 leader in the world again not speculation provable fact you'd think that would be greeted in the

00:18:37.540 hemisphere it's this amazing thing like what's going on in el salvador and instead

00:18:42.420 there's been this what's going on in el salvador yeah there's been hostility yes do you think that's

00:18:46.980 why i'm not sure but one of the reasons is that we don't pander to them so probably they don't like

00:18:54.180 that it's it's probably a reason it's like um like there's um i'm not going to go into conspiracy

00:19:05.300 theory i'm going to go into into provable facts right like you said so there's uh there's worldwide

00:19:13.300 agendas right this is this are provable facts right they they they have benchmarks that they need the

00:19:18.580 countries to follow and they need the countries to do this is you know out there right and

00:19:26.260 but sometimes if you work on those things you're probably neglecting the important things for your

00:19:33.060 people the the things that your people are really asking for give you an example when we arrested the

00:19:40.180 gang members that were killing that were killing so much people that we were the murder capital of

00:19:46.340 the world literally the most dangerous place in the whole world more dangerous than haiti

00:19:52.580 right more dangerous than iraq this is what's literally the most dangerous country in the world

00:19:58.580 we have triple the the amount of the murder rate that haiti has right now with all the mayhem that

00:20:05.940 they have we have triple that here so what what do we have to what do you have to do you have to stop

00:20:12.420 that right i mean it's like it's a no-brainer i mean you have you don't have to you you you don't even

00:20:18.020 need to have a big thought process you just you have to stop that that's the first thing you have to do

00:20:21.860 do when we did when we did that we got huge condemnations you you name it say an organization

00:20:32.100 we got a condemnation from them so and they were and they and and a lot of them were human rights

00:20:38.260 organizations and you would ask but with the human what about the human right of a woman not to be raped

00:20:45.060 i mean what about the human right of kids to you know to to play or to be free or to you know go to

00:20:50.340 the park and what about the human right to live or the human right to walk in the street right and

00:20:58.180 but no they were they were worried about the human rights of the of the killers

00:21:02.980 which you know they have human rights i don't say they don't they're humans

00:21:07.060 but but if you have to prioritize what will you prioritize yes the human rights are the honest

00:21:13.700 hard-working decent people not the not the not the human rights that they do have

00:21:17.300 but you will not you won't prioritize the the human rights of the killers and rapists and murderers

00:21:24.740 and um so we we secured the country and we did it with no help from any other country

00:21:32.900 and with huge huge condemnation in everything that we were doing everything i mean we we changed the

00:21:38.340 attorney general we got so much condemnation because if we change the attorney general

00:21:42.900 that we need to change to prosecute the you know the the murderers so we we basically we we

00:21:51.300 they tried to block every step of what we were doing and uh and now

00:22:00.260 it's that the results are there that it's you know they're tangible measurable

00:22:04.500 um undeniable now they they don't know what to do because a lot of other countries are saying maybe

00:22:13.780 a lot of other countries similar to ours they have similar problems they are saying maybe we should do

00:22:18.340 that too but they don't want that because that's not in their agenda but i i guess that's why i came

00:22:25.060 here to be totally honest is what your success says about the country that i live in or other countries

00:22:32.020 in the hemisphere or in europe where people are killed by the thousands every year

00:22:39.140 and what you've proven with very little money and no help from anyone else is it's not that hard to fix

00:22:45.060 therefore all that killing must be a voluntary decision that my government and many other governments

00:22:50.500 are making about their own citizens you can make that that logical well i don't know what other

00:22:56.900 conclusion to reach if el salvador can do it what are we what's going on here yes you can make that

00:23:00.980 logical conclusion i think that's probably what they are afraid of because i mean we don't have

00:23:06.900 uh weapons of mass destruction right no so we why are they afraid why why would they take so much

00:23:12.820 time and make condemnations to el salvador right it doesn't make any sense you didn't send a man to the

00:23:17.620 moon exactly what yeah so i think i think they're afraid of the example because a lot of people might

00:23:23.700 say hey we want that too if they can do it with no money with very few resources and with a huge problem

00:23:29.860 because i heard some people say oh the subway could do it because the problem was not that big

00:23:34.500 and like we're literally the murder capital of the world how big can it how bigger can it get right

00:23:40.020 we were literally the most dangerous place in the world three times more dangerous than haiti right now

00:23:44.900 so i mean what bigger can it how bigger can the problem get and at the same time we had little

00:23:53.860 very few resources and we were able to do it with no civilian casualties after we started the war on

00:24:00.740 gangs we had no civilian casualties and we we um we lost eight uh between police officers and soldiers

00:24:10.900 and we basically eradicated all crime so and we and we and we arrested 70 000 gang members which the

00:24:20.980 number is not the number that just came up that's the official number that all the organizations said

00:24:26.260 we had of gang members and and and you can i mean you can watch the world bank reports etc they said

00:24:33.700 el salvador has around 70 000 gang members at 500 000 collaborators so we spared the collaborators

00:24:39.620 basically and we only got the gang members why because most of the collaborators were just you

00:24:44.100 know family members or you know the woman that sell tortillas and she had to tell oh the police

00:24:48.740 is coming because if not she would she would probably have been killed by the gang so most of the

00:24:53.140 collaborators were not really criminals yes but just people living in a society that was controlled

00:24:58.100 by by gangs the government was really was the real government was the gangs just like in haiti you

00:25:03.300 have a you have a fake government you have the real government the government haiti is the gangs

00:25:07.460 it was it was like that you had you had a formal government of course with offices and everything

00:25:11.860 but you have the real government in the territory which were the gangs so i mean and i know you want

00:25:17.860 to stick to the facts but i mean at some point you do have to i mean this is a really important

00:25:21.860 question why would a government that has the means to end violent crime not all there's always

00:25:28.020 me crime people breaking laws but violent people murdering and raping each other yes is a voluntary

00:25:32.900 decision that a government makes why would a government choose to have that

00:25:39.140 i don't know i don't i don't know i can i can make up theories but i really but you have a gut

00:25:44.260 instinct about it uh i think it's a combination of factors like everything yes they have they might be

00:25:50.420 evil people that you know have that are doing it on purpose of course and probably planning stuff i

00:25:56.100 don't know yes uh yeah possibly at the same time there's a lot of people that they just being fed

00:26:02.660 these ideologies and they think they're doing the right thing yes right like allowing allowing

00:26:07.700 shoplifting for example that's the most stupid thing you can think of but they do it oh you don't

00:26:12.420 allow shoplifting here no of course not so but you would think how why would anybody think allowing

00:26:21.460 shoplifting lifting would be a good idea i don't know why why i mean that's this is stupidest thing

00:26:26.580 to think right or giving away drugs i said this yes or giving away drugs let's give away drugs right

00:26:33.060 it's like it's like very stupid things and you would you would guess that some of the people doing

00:26:38.100 and i mean enacting these policies are not necessarily evil they're just you know they've been fed this

00:26:44.660 idea they think they're doing the right thing it's like i'll give you an example uh i think

00:26:51.220 a month ago or something like that yeah like a month uh the spanish police arrested a gang member

00:26:59.060 that that has fled that had fled el salvador so the guy member escaped he he flew he flew he went to

00:27:06.820 spain and with an international operation between the police of our police and the spanish police and

00:27:13.860 interpol they were able to arrest the guy so in that in those cases you didn't need you need to do an

00:27:19.460 extradition because it's it's an automatic you know international operation so they just got the

00:27:23.860 guy you know process him and send him yes send him to the original police for they filed the claim

00:27:30.020 so the spanish police was very proud of the of the arrest so they put it up they put it up in twitter

00:27:36.180 so they said we just arrested this gang member so i i uh you know quoted the tweet and i said

00:27:44.260 great send them we'll take care of him right so that was used in his court hearing in spain as a

00:27:54.980 proof that he wouldn't get a fair trial here so he was protected by spanish laws and he stayed there in

00:28:01.700 spain maybe they don't have enough gang members in spain exactly so uh i mean i don't care if they

00:28:08.340 want to keep him it's a it's a mouth that we don't have to feed it's a mouth that we don't have to feed

00:28:12.420 right but uh so they can keep him but the thing is that you would think why would why would this

00:28:19.700 spanish government want to gang an extra gang member yeah yes it's not necessarily out of evil

00:28:26.260 it's just that you know the laws the system the the things that are being fed to the to the judge to

00:28:32.100 the prosecutor so they think that you know that my tweet was to mean and you know this gang member

00:28:38.340 his rights will be you know uh not respected or he wouldn't get a fair trial in the sabler so he had

00:28:44.420 to stay in spain to be protected you know i mean they know he's a they know he's a killer they actually

00:28:50.740 arrested him because of that it was an international operation and everything they know is you know he

00:28:55.940 probably murdered dozens of people but they they need they feel the need to protect them so what's

00:29:01.780 sad about that is that that's a sign that your defense mechanism no longer works yes and that

00:29:07.140 your society is dying yes and spain is a wonder in my opinion a wonderful civilization is is is

00:29:12.580 reaching a point into it's it's just it will start failing i think that's obvious to those of us with

00:29:19.620 great sadness to those of us who live here unless things are done of course you can you can you can

00:29:24.020 always you can always do so okay two part question why do you think that's happening because it is

00:29:28.900 what is recognizably happening in real time before us and what can be done at this point to reverse it

00:29:35.940 well you know everything everything erodes and degrades i mean that's you know just a loss of

00:29:41.540 of nature yes i mean we do that's why we die we age and we die yes you can slow it right you can you

00:29:47.220 know stay fit die yeah i mean you eventually gonna age and die yes you cannot you cannot avoid that

00:29:53.540 uh same happens with anything infrastructure you know i had a and an argument with my at the beginning

00:30:00.420 of the government i had an argument with uh with my ministry of public works my minister of public works

00:30:06.260 because there was a um there was this neighborhood that was built in an area that you shouldn't build

00:30:13.540 things so there it was a a mountain almost the the the the soil was basically flower so it was you know

00:30:22.100 that the mountain was falling and the houses were falling with them with the mountain so to to save the

00:30:29.380 people the ministry of public works started building a huge wall you know to to to stop the houses from

00:30:36.980 falling right so they they were building this huge wall and of course i can't micromanage everything so

00:30:45.380 when i saw the wall being built i called my minister i said what are you doing and you won't stop the mountain

00:30:52.260 and i said you should build let's build houses for for the people somewhere else it's it would be

00:30:59.220 cheaper and you know he said no no the the the wall will the wall will be fine we have you know uh

00:31:05.620 engineers from you know uh international corporation and everything it will be fine so they finished the

00:31:11.540 wall they inaugurated thing it didn't fall don't worry the the the way for that the way for that plot twist

00:31:18.180 but i was i was still angry because i i thought that it was a huge waste of money and and and a lot

00:31:23.220 of risk that if in the future the wall falls yes it'll be on us because we built it right of course

00:31:29.780 so i i started pressuring him why do you build that well what do you build a wall if the wall falls in

00:31:35.620 the future it would be an hour it would be our fault and i thought he grew tired of me as the pressuring he

00:31:41.140 said well everything that is made by humans needs maintenance i mean of course if we just leave the

00:31:47.860 wall there fall in 10 20 30 years but if we give maintenance to the wall the wall won't fall right

00:31:55.700 so so that that is stuck on me not because of the wall itself but because everything is like that yes in a

00:32:02.900 relationship yes that's right at home i mean everything i mean your hair your haircut you you

00:32:11.220 you need if you want to maintain it you need to spend time and resources and effort in maintaining it

00:32:18.340 so western civilization because you know civilization goes like this yes so western civilization reached

00:32:24.340 the peak i cannot point exactly where the peak is it's like time in the market right yes i'm gonna buy

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00:34:24.580 so that is happening because we're not maintaining we're not giving the correct maintenance to the

00:34:31.540 civilization why what made the west the leader in the world at the time we're living right now what

00:34:40.420 what caused that to happen a lot of things like you know importing the scientific process i started

00:34:50.420 you know developing science yes focusing you know putting a lot of money into art into science into

00:34:58.820 trying to build the best things and then you know that's fastest and as best and as great as possible

00:35:05.060 and you know importing uh wisdom and technology and trying to develop new technology and trying to you

00:35:13.620 know but suddenly uh when you get wealthy happens with families too yes it does then people probably

00:35:21.700 get spoiled or they get you know i want more things i want i want that i want this you have to provide me

00:35:26.660 that and you know politicians the problem i mean democracy is great right we the us has proven that

00:35:34.900 democracy can work um but the problem with democracy because everything has you know pros and cons

00:35:42.580 the problem with democracy is that politicians have a great incentive to offer

00:35:51.060 to give away the treasury yes so if i say no i'm going to keep the treasury

00:35:58.340 it's because we need we might need it you know for an emergency or something nobody would like that

00:36:02.340 people like oh i'm going to give away the treasury so they would vote for him then another person you

00:36:07.620 know what i'm going to give the treasury plus another treasury so we're going to go into that

00:36:11.460 right everybody will say great let's you know let's let's receive more money from the treasury and

00:36:16.900 when i say treasury i mean you know anything you know building stuff you know giving free stuff

00:36:21.380 sending checks to people covid relief yeah exactly you know getting you know stimulus whatever so

00:36:28.500 the politicians are have the incentives of you know just giving away the treasury and entering huge

00:36:37.380 amounts of debt and that doesn't not only destroys the the structure of the government but it also

00:36:45.700 destroys the structure of society because if you give for example money uh okay if you don't work i'll give

00:36:53.460 you i give you money right or if you uh if you can shoplift one thousand dollars a day and still get

00:37:04.980 some money from the government for food you know housing why would you work in that store we shoplifted

00:37:13.300 and probably get in trouble right so the incentives are wrong but it's not only because you know there's

00:37:18.980 maybe they are but i'm not going to go into conspiracy theories but it's not only because

00:37:23.620 there are evil politicians or evil people planning everything which might be the case but i won't go

00:37:28.980 into that but just because things you know the incentives are wrong yes so even a even a normal

00:37:37.860 not evil politician has the incentive to give away the treasury because he needs the votes i mean he needs to

00:37:43.700 be elected that's what he needs right he needs to vote it's the nature of the system yes it's the

00:37:47.620 nature of the system so the problem is that democracy works nobody can say it doesn't because

00:37:53.940 it worked in the united states right but if you don't maintain if you don't give maintenance to the

00:38:01.700 system it will fall like the wall if you don't give maintenance to it because it was the the same

00:38:09.700 system will degrade itself so what you're having right now is a huge uh erosion of of western

00:38:17.300 civilization so we have governments pandering to to their basis or what you know to their ideology

00:38:24.100 because they mobilized the vote or whatever looking at what would happen in the election what we can do to

00:38:31.620 get more votes in the election uh i don't want to get into u.s politics because you know it's not my

00:38:37.540 country but okay so we had this we have this huge voter uh group uh let's give them something to get

00:38:50.900 their vote let's give them i don't know a hundred thousand dollars each it makes sense right to get

00:38:56.580 their votes but it doesn't make sense for a country i mean why would you give a hundred thousand dollars to

00:39:00.500 each member of a voting group right should be illegal but it's not because who makes loss right it's the

00:39:07.140 government so the the system is eroding and uh and if maintenance is the maintenance team doesn't go in

00:39:16.900 and fix all the things that have been you know degrading the last you know 50 70 years

00:39:23.460 it will of course it will eventually fall so if the west doesn't continue to maintain its systems

00:39:29.700 which you have said i think correctly have worked really well for a couple hundred years

00:39:32.980 exactly they will degrade just like anything else made by human hands if you don't maintain it it will

00:39:36.980 fall like your house the question is does anyone in the west do its leaders have the will to fix the

00:39:44.180 system that is clearly failing do you think that will happen and if it doesn't what is the message

00:39:49.220 about democracy to the rest of the world well you know you know the the the fun thing about

00:39:58.580 about anything about any concept like democracy that it works until it doesn't right right that's

00:40:04.820 right it happened with monarchies it happened with you know right anything right um they say things

00:40:10.660 like oh you know we have to separate religion from state it worked it really worked but it also worked

00:40:16.980 religion with the state at their time yes so very well yes very well until they didn't

00:40:22.980 so so the the thing is that things work until they don't right so the problem is not democracy i mean

00:40:31.460 it's not the concept of democracy the concept of democracy is great i mean imagine how the power of

00:40:35.780 the people what why would the people have the power to to decide their own things it's like the most

00:40:40.900 i mean i really like the concept and and it's not not only a theoretical concept like communism

00:40:46.020 right it works i mean democracy has been proven to work

00:40:48.980 i mean it doesn't work george washington could have been king if he wanted to yes he'd been king

00:40:54.420 george the first right yes but he decided well not he but you know the founding fathers decided that

00:40:59.940 the us united states would be a democracy right and it worked nobody can say it didn't it worked

00:41:09.140 but so the fact that democracy appears to not be working i don't think it's because the concept

00:41:16.020 doesn't work like church separated from a state or church conjoined with the state yes it's just that

00:41:22.020 things work until they don't so the problem i think is not the concept of democracy itself but the the

00:41:29.940 state of the democracy of democracies in the world right now have we reached the end of the democratic

00:41:34.980 i don't know but it it's maybe the beginning of the end this if not if if a huge maintenance team

00:41:40.260 doesn't come and fix things it's like i this is not about geopolitics or anything i'm not going to

00:41:46.740 even mention the countries but i saw somebody showed me the 600 meter uh railway that was built in

00:41:57.220 california and it cost like i know 15 billion dollars something like that to build the 600 meter piece of

00:42:03.380 railway that they were that they were building it's a lot per meter yes so i mean you have to you

00:42:13.220 you cannot go on i mean it's like obvious it's like somebody eats too much right i mean you can be

00:42:19.220 a little fat right it's fine but then if somebody's morbidly fat it's it's somebody will come and say okay

00:42:25.060 i mean you have to stop right because you know your heart would your heart can't take it anymore

00:42:30.420 right you have to stop or somebody did the drinks i don't drink but if somebody somebody drinks doctor

00:42:36.260 might say you know your liver you know they can't take that anymore look at look at your liver how

00:42:42.340 it is how it is right now uh or the lungs for smoke or whatever you know um when you see things like

00:42:49.380 that 600 meters of railway 15 billion dollars 10 years

00:42:54.260 there's there's no other possible diagnosis i mean you have to stop that fast now because if not

00:43:04.340 it's i mean the the decline is inevitable it's inevitable i mean it's already there it's not like

00:43:10.180 you know i'm i'm telling you i foresee no no i mean i mean it's there i mean it's 15 billion dollars to

00:43:16.260 make a 600 meter piece of railroad that's not even working in 10 years the empire state was built in a year

00:43:23.860 one year one year they built empire state that's where that things were working right i i don't know

00:43:28.900 how were things back then i don't know but they built the empire state in one year

00:43:34.660 what happened with the world trade center freedom tower that was changed the name that later to

00:43:40.340 world trade center how long did it take forever yeah and it was you know the whole country united to

00:43:48.260 build it there was no budgetary i mean i know it was private but it was no if it needed budgetary

00:43:53.860 uh it was not a problem of budget or investors willing to pour money on it or engineers i mean

00:44:03.140 why would it take over a decade to build something that was so significant for the whole country

00:44:09.460 i mean you could build the tallest building in the world you didn't you could have built the tallest

00:44:13.620 building in the world and said okay we're coming back bigger and stronger we're going to build you

00:44:17.540 you know you you yeah yeah we we got a hit but now we're going to build back better and strong

00:44:22.500 build back better and stronger right or whatever and build it you know two mile high skyscraper i'm

00:44:28.020 not i'm not a fan of no two mile high skyscrapers but you know you could you could have done that

00:44:32.500 i mean you have you have the money you have the resources you have the engineers you have the the

00:44:36.420 market because if i built you know a mile skyscraper i i i can't fill with offices because i don't have

00:44:42.500 enough market to fill with residences and offices or whatever you do have the market in new york to

00:44:47.380 you know yeah to build offices and you want hotel rooms i mean it would feel like this but you didn't

00:44:53.780 you took over a decade to build a very unimpressive building so and that was

00:45:01.780 twenty three years ago yes now you're building 600 meter railways with 15 billion dollars so

00:45:16.740 how long did it would take to build to rebuild the baltimore bridge

00:45:21.220 should take a year how long would it take here here yeah a year two years and we're a small poor

00:45:29.700 country i mean we're the one of the poorest nations in in in the world right i know that's

00:45:35.060 that's why this is so shameful and interesting yeah well i mean the us are so they have

00:45:41.700 still unlimited amounts of resources because you can just bring money right that's another topic but

00:45:47.460 you can just bring whatever how much it's worth i mean would you want to do it but we want to build

00:45:52.180 it made of gold i mean you can do anything right you just how much is it do it so that sounds like a

00:45:58.420 systemic failure doesn't sound like it's a systemic failure yeah so what you're describing maybe can't

00:46:05.780 be you know maybe that's something that you like have to level and rebuild or something maybe that's

00:46:11.940 beyond maintenance i don't know what is the answer to that i don't know but uh but you need leadership

00:46:18.900 but i i'll tell you something if you see the mess that we were living here yes

00:46:23.780 yes it's a bigger mess than what you have over there yeah so oh yeah i mean so

00:46:33.380 well just the fact that a a third of our population fled the country i know i went to the united states

00:46:40.340 i know uh gives you an example that the mess we were living here and that we still have in in other

00:46:46.980 areas that you know not safety we're the safest country in the western hemisphere but we have problems

00:46:51.300 in other areas like the economy for example yeah um so but but our our problems were bigger than your

00:46:58.420 problems in relative sizes so you said you can if you can i mean if you can fix a mess like this

00:47:07.220 with in the us with unlimited amount of wealth with you know um scientists innovation like no other

00:47:15.300 country in the world still the innovation is coming from the us it's more than any other country still

00:47:20.420 right even not because of the government but you know it still it has the best innovators ai for sure

00:47:28.420 i mean anything so you still have the best innovators you still have the biggest companies

00:47:35.060 you still have the biggest the world reserve currency uh the biggest wealth the biggest gdp um

00:47:50.980 the the the availability to hire talent from anywhere you can bring whatever talent you you need

00:47:57.540 to fix any gaps you can you know pick pick any you get it you get what you what you want you still can

00:48:05.220 get what you want you can't get attacked because you're you're too far away you're too far away from

00:48:12.100 anyone that wants to attack you because mexico or canada are not going to attack the u.s

00:48:16.500 so your enemies are too far away and you still have the biggest army um maybe some forces so

00:48:26.420 biggest energy reserves yes and yeah and and the us like like russia they were built as superpowers

00:48:35.140 so it's not like uh for example if you see the economy the economy in spain it's very good it's a robust

00:48:41.540 economy is big g7 yeah but they are like uh uh how do you call how you say in english to run nugget

00:48:54.020 they sell nugget right yeah or they sell iberic ham yeah

00:49:01.940 so it's very good expensive but you don't actually need that right so luxury goods luxury goods so if

00:49:10.500 you sanction spain you will you'll break their economy but if you sanction russia you can't break

00:49:17.940 russia because they are built as a superpower yes so they have wheat they have energy they have a

00:49:22.740 natural gas oil yes because they were built like that industrial capacity industrial capacity factories

00:49:28.100 you know workers so the us is like that too it was built as a superpower so you have wheat you have

00:49:33.700 corn you have workers you have blue color workers you have trained skilled factory workers you have

00:49:39.140 uh colleges you have universities you have a school system you have infrastructure you have uh cities

00:49:46.020 tourism the mississippi river i mean you have everything you have ships you have warehouses

00:49:53.620 you know uh agriculture fertile lands you know what you didn't have before you you got right you took from

00:50:02.340 you know mexico or whatever so the us was was built to be a superpower right acquire land acquire fertile

00:50:11.620 lands acquire i mean texas was part of mexico but it's part of the us and you have all the oil there

00:50:17.380 so i mean and then you have california and i mean the us is built as a superpower so the us has everything

00:50:25.380 to go on for a thousand years it's not like it's doomed to fail

00:50:31.460 but apparently the leaders or most of them there you have probably very good leaders but most of the leaders

00:50:38.420 they don't they are not seeing they they either they they are evil

00:50:42.820 or this is not you know a conspiracy theory it's just you know the options you have either they're evil

00:50:47.940 evil and they want to destroy the us because of some evil reason or they're puppets and they are

00:50:55.220 being handled these people that need the us to be destroyed but for some reason or they're incompetent

00:51:02.180 and they're just you know doing wrong stuff because they're not capable of doing the right stuff

00:51:06.820 or sorry i said three but um the incentives right i mean changing a country and changing a lot of things

00:51:15.860 that are badly done probably anger will anger some people right some groups some some lobbies some

00:51:22.820 interests i mean if you say okay we're going to stop the railway that's costing us 15 billion dollars

00:51:27.940 per 600 meter a lot of companies will be angry a lot of you know i don't know mayors i mean you have a

00:51:33.460 system that that that it needs to be needs to be handled so and that needs leadership and it needs a clear

00:51:41.780 a clear mandate that is probably a little hard to get in the us because you know the opposite views

00:51:48.820 and you know the bipartisanship and but but you need to do it well oh you know ultimately as you

00:51:54.900 well know since you've succeeded in it so so thumpingly the instrument for all of that is the ballot is the

00:52:03.140 election itself like how many votes do you get that's your mandate but i think there is a sense among

00:52:08.500 a lot of non-conspiracy minded voters in the united states that that part of the system is itself

00:52:13.140 corrupt yes and that it is actually hard to affect change through voting because it's is it it's rigged

00:52:28.900 so with that in mind do you think trump he's ahead in the polls do you think he can get elected

00:52:34.020 well yes yes he can get elected yeah i'll give you an example uh we in 2019 the system was totally

00:52:45.620 rigged i mean they canceled our our party i mean we we were running with a party and they canceled it i

00:52:52.500 mean they annull our party so i stayed i was party less so i we went to a small party and said you don't

00:53:01.140 have any candidates you're very small do you yeah what you you want to win the election so we we got

00:53:06.180 the the the that party registration and they canceled that party yeah and they canceled that party in

00:53:14.420 the last day that you can uh file the candidacies so we got a medium-sized party at 11 11 pm and we we were

00:53:24.660 able to file our candidacy so it was not like it was easy or the system wasn't rigged it was just so

00:53:31.940 fair that we just you know we put up our our proposals and the people just voted it was very hard to win

00:53:38.180 and then when we won we since we even didn't have simultaneous parliamentary elections we actually went

00:53:46.340 to the executive branch totally opposed to the to the legislative branch and the and the judicial branch so they

00:53:53.620 control the supreme court and they control 90 of the legislative body so i had to veto everything

00:54:03.460 and they override my videos and they enacted they approved over 70 laws that i vetoed yes and everything

00:54:12.580 that we do supreme court unconstitutional unconstitutional unconstitutional yeah so we went to the people

00:54:19.220 and said you know we cannot work like this we need a majority in in congress we need a huge majority in

00:54:24.900 congress because we not only need to approve laws we need to get out with all these people out and the

00:54:29.700 only way to get it out democratically and respecting the rules of the system is that if we get a huge

00:54:34.900 immense majority in congress right because congress can fire anybody even the president yes so

00:54:42.340 people gave us the huge majority and was hard because they controlled they still control the electoral

00:54:47.300 tribunal as of today that's why our election was recognized by all the countries in the world

00:54:53.620 because they know the electoral tribunal is controlled by the opposition still it's the only

00:54:57.860 thing that controlled it's the only thing and we have we have we have lived like that so you know

00:55:02.180 that validates and legitimizes everything else so they but the thing is that in 2021 when we went to

00:55:09.300 when we went to uh congressional elections we carried a super majority that they say they said it was impossible

00:55:15.780 because the system was designed so you cannot get a super majority but we got we got it with more

00:55:20.580 than that and then we with that super majority there is an article because the constitution that allows

00:55:27.460 the super majority in congress to fire the supreme court justices

00:55:33.940 so our party fired the supreme court justices when they got them they got the majority they fired the

00:55:39.300 attorney general which i couldn't i mean the states the president appoints the attorney general here

00:55:43.780 is congress congress selects attorney general congress fires the attorney general general but you need

00:55:48.740 two-thirds of congress to fire an attorney general so we got 75 of congress but you stayed within the

00:55:55.700 rules the whole time we we have never not respected a single rule that's that's also a narrative that

00:56:01.220 they want to be they they cannot point out a single thing that was done by not respecting the the rules

00:56:09.380 that were written by them because the rules are written by people there it's not like oh these rules were you

00:56:15.380 know uh um this was not given by god these rules were written by people but still we respected all the

00:56:25.060 rules that were written by them and uh and yeah we we got it the the i i just i just saw an interview

00:56:32.740 that the president of costa rica gave in costa rica because he came also like many other world leaders he

00:56:38.660 came to the to the inauguration so they asked him over there in costa rica and they said but

00:56:43.540 do you think that bukele is like doing things that are not uh within the constitutional limits that that

00:56:53.460 that he has and there's this this interviews today earlier and president costa rica said well

00:57:00.020 in a in a in a soccer game or in a football game you have the rules and you have the score right

00:57:11.940 and the rules are made so the score you know will be like that but sometimes you get a super score in

00:57:21.300 one side right so are you angry at the rules or are you angry at the score because the president of

00:57:28.660 el salvador the only thing he can be um criticized for is to getting a huge score in his favor with

00:57:36.900 the rules of the game that they lay out lay out for him so yes but it was enormously disruptive to

00:57:44.820 the people who ran the country before you obviously obviously yeah did you ever worry they would try

00:57:49.220 and put you in jail well they did even well even when i was president i mean even i already in uh

00:57:56.500 being already in in the in the presidency they they they tried to to impeach me they they say i wasn't

00:58:03.940 there's an article in the constitution that says congress can actually fire the president if he's not

00:58:07.860 fit to lead to to to lead so they say that i wasn't fit to lead and and they were they they they

00:58:14.740 they tried to impeach me because of that but there was such a um i mean the people were like they were

00:58:22.420 they feared that the people would like you know so what advice is up against them or something well

00:58:28.340 it's a fair concern given your majority exactly um

00:58:34.020 what advice would you give to another former democratically elected leader seeking office who is

00:58:39.860 facing jail time uh anyone just yeah if there was i mean if if there was uh a way to stop the candidacy

00:58:54.020 then he's he's probably in trouble but if there's no there's no way to stop him from competing in the

00:59:01.700 election all the things that they do to him will just give him more votes right that seems to be

00:59:09.540 happening yes i mean either you stop the candidacy or you you let him be but just you know hitting him

00:59:18.020 with you just getting you're making the greatest campaign ever i mean do you think they know that

00:59:24.900 some of them they should they yeah they they i think they some of them do but of course the

00:59:29.540 the ones that don't or they think that you know there's the that's their problem with endogamous

00:59:34.660 groups right because they all like you know yeah so it's so great yeah let's do it and you know

00:59:40.340 they're they're making a huge mistake huge huge mistake huge huge mistake if if you're a country

00:59:46.420 like el salvador really any other country in the hemisphere including canada your eyes are on the

00:59:51.460 united states because it's the dominant power yes obviously um but it puts you in a weird position

00:59:57.540 if you're being criticized from the united states so there's a congressman from massachusetts a pro

01:00:01.540 communist congressman called jim mcgovern literally pro-communist on an attack just an observation

01:00:08.340 who attacked you the other day for daring to move a painting of oscar romero as a catholic priest who

01:00:14.980 was murdered here more than 40 years ago in your airport i think yeah yeah what did you make of

01:00:21.220 that it seemed like a pretty minute criticism pretty small and we actually moved it to a nicer place in

01:00:26.740 front it's not like you know we moved it from a very nice place and we put it in some warehouse

01:00:33.540 you know or whatever some place but what if you did it's your country no of course of course but

01:00:38.500 but you can make the case as an art connoisseur that he didn't like you know the the place we put

01:00:44.820 the painting but but the fact that he that he protested and or he expressed his concerns with deep

01:00:50.660 concern um on twitter and not you know call if he would have called here and said hey do you move the

01:00:57.860 painting they were thought no no it's right here mr congressman uh so of course he can even he can

01:01:04.420 even come and see it for himself but of course he was doing an attack right so but it backfired because

01:01:11.220 uh first the the painting was right in front so yeah just to move the camera it was in the other side

01:01:20.740 um so it was you know he he misfired but also the fact that a u.s congressman

01:01:30.820 is trying to micromanage where art is being displaced is being displayed in another country

01:01:38.500 uh just you know gives you an example of how out of touch they are feels like colonialism to me a

01:01:45.620 little bit yes yes and and and and it comes from the from the democratic party which you would guess

01:01:50.660 the anti-colonial party yes yeah but you know at the at the end it's like you know sometimes

01:01:56.580 sometimes the guy that's called racist is is not really the racist right the guy that is called you

01:02:03.540 know the you know colonialist is not really the colonialist right sometimes it's it's weird how

01:02:08.980 narratives work sometimes are you getting a lot of americans moving here yes yes i mean probably in

01:02:15.940 numbers it won't be significant to you but yes we you can see it i mean you can you can see it everywhere

01:02:21.460 and we're also getting something that's that's very meaningful to us is that we're getting a lot of our

01:02:27.140 diaspora a lot of our immigrant the the people that emigrate al-sabler because of the war because

01:02:33.380 of the gangs or because of the economical um issues that that have always happened here there

01:02:38.660 a lot of them are coming back and there's a study made that the iom and usaid sorry i'll send you the

01:02:46.660 link yes there's a study made by the iom and the usaid that says that 60 62 percent of salvadorans living

01:02:54.820 in the united states want to come back to live here amazing 62 percent and 18 percent are already making

01:03:02.500 plans to come that's over half a million salvadorans coming back so that's super significant because

01:03:09.460 i mean we expelled we expelled them from their their homes right because of crime because of a war because

01:03:16.180 of lack of opportunities and the fact that they're coming back is i mean is the is the is the biggest

01:03:23.220 proof that we're doing things the right way we have a long way to go but we're doing things the right

01:03:27.700 way so after um so we have a lot of americans american-born americans coming but we have also

01:03:34.100 a lot of salvadorian americans with american citizenships coming here do you have the space

01:03:40.180 well it has created a housing bubble because you know we we don't produce as much houses that are

01:03:45.620 being bought are being bought right now but that would create a temporary problem which is the housing

01:03:50.660 bubble but then which is not actually bubble it's just you know the offer and yes finding its own level

01:03:56.020 yeah so now of course construction companies know that they the amount of houses they will build it

01:04:01.700 will they will they will they will sell them so construction has become 20 percent of our gdp

01:04:09.380 and it's growing so this is going to be a huge construction boom and they have the client so it's not

01:04:14.900 built in a bubble or speculation but it feels like a bubble but it's built and you know people coming back

01:04:20.740 home has any other head of state called you for advice on how to improve this country yes yes

01:04:25.700 yes yes yeah yeah several some of them have said it in public of course and they have we have

01:04:31.300 meetings mostly security issues uh we're we're talking with a lot of latin american leaders they have

01:04:37.780 come they have sent their security ministers to meet here with our security ministers they have uh

01:04:42.420 send people to see our jail jail system because sometimes people see our jail system and they try

01:04:47.300 to compare to the united states jail system and say oh look they mean they don't have gyms they don't have

01:04:52.740 netflix you know but but you shouldn't compare the salvador's jail system with the u.s jail system

01:04:58.260 you should compare a salvador's jail system with latin american jail systems

01:05:02.340 so if you go and see most of latin american countries the jails are run by the

01:05:06.660 by the gang as they were here i remember that yes they were under they had they had

01:05:10.820 parties prostitutes strippers they were it was autonomous here i mean you had to get their permission

01:05:16.500 to go yes you have to get the permission to go in they only have permission to get in food

01:05:20.740 medicine but they controlled they controlled the jails not only in the south but they do it in most

01:05:24.740 of the latin american countries so gangsters or narcos they will control the jails right it's their

01:05:31.460 their operation they even go out and back and get back yes so they we totally control that

01:05:40.180 and we have 100 control in our jail system so latin american countries look to our

01:05:45.620 uh jail system in to see if they can they can fix their their own so we we we do a lot of cooperation

01:05:54.100 in security issues uh jail uh jails uh army um training do you know even more powerful in bigger

01:06:04.900 countries of course have you ever you know a lot of heads of state because you are one have you ever

01:06:09.860 met a head of state who when faced with a a serious problem a threat to his own country would in the

01:06:16.100 middle of a cabinet meeting pause and say a prayer i i don't i don't recall but yeah probably do you

01:06:23.940 know anyone who would do that do you think yes probably probably i don't i don't recall right now

01:06:29.300 but no but that's just so far from the mindset of any leader i've ever interviewed anyone who would

01:06:34.340 admit i'm not sure what to do let's ask god i i yeah probably probably not that common but yeah

01:06:41.940 i would guess some some some leaders do it how long do you plan to stay president yeah five years

01:06:49.780 five years that's that's as much as the constitution allows me to

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