The Tucker Carlson Show - Rep. Clay Higgins

It has been three years since the events of January 6th, 2019. And yet, the question still lingers: was it a setup? Was the FBI behind the attack on the protesters that day, or was it something else entirely different? Rep. Clay Higgins, R-La., asks the question directly to Director Chris Wray at a Homeland Security Committee hearing, and the answer may surprise you. Rep. Higgins joins Jemele to discuss the possibility that the FBI may have been set up by Deep State agents within the Department of Justice, the Justice Department, the CIA, the DOJ Intelligence Community, or even the National Security Agency, to set the stage for the events that transpired that day in the streets of Washington, D.C. Congressman Clay Higgins (R-La.) joins us in studio to talk about the possibility of a cover-up, and what we can do to find out what happened that day and what happened to the thousands of people on the streets that day. What was really going on inside the White House that day? And who were the deep state agents involved in the planning and execution of the January 6, 2019, attack? And how did they get there? and why? Join Jemele and Alex as she uncovers the truth behind it? Subscribe to our new podcast, and stay tuned for Part 2 of the conversation with Clay Higgins! in the coming weeks. Subscribe, Subscribe, and share the podcast with your friends and family! Subscribe and comment to stay up to date with the latest episodes of Conspiracy Theories on social media and other media outlets! and other awesome things going on the happenings in your favorite podcast wherever you get your favourite podcast platform! . Subscribe on Podulpodcasts! Subscribe on Apple Podcasts! Learn more about your ad choices! Download MP3 Subscribe on iTunes Learn more from your favorite podulpcast or wherever you listen to your favourite podulchromeo podcast on the podular podcast? Subscribe on your favorite streaming platform? Download it on the Podulium app? or share it on your podulium? Connect with a fellow podulcio to become a fellow spay and review it on a friend on the social media platform? Subscribe to my podcast? Learn about your podcast choices? Share it on iTunes or subscribe on PODCODE subscribe on iTunes

00:00:00.000 It has been exactly three years since January 6th, the events of January 6th, the racist

00:00:17.040 insurrection that shocked this nation to its core, more profoundly than anything since

00:00:22.580 Pearl Harbor plus the Civil War.

00:00:24.160 And it has taken a while, honestly, even for people who aren't on the side of the professional

00:00:31.360 liars to realize there's something amiss about what happened that day, not just the response,

00:00:36.520 the largest law enforcement mobilization in the history of the United States, that was

00:00:39.780 obviously disproportionate because it wasn't the worst riot that year, not even closed.

00:00:44.500 But the day itself, there was something about January 6th that didn't feel right.

00:00:48.960 And hovering over that day has remained the question, to what extent was it a setup?

00:00:55.080 And we still don't really know.

00:00:57.180 But what's interesting is how few people have asked that entirely legitimate question.

00:01:01.080 And one of the very few, really one of the only in the United States Congress, is a member

00:01:05.700 called Clay Higgins from Louisiana.

00:01:08.000 And in case you haven't seen this clip, it's worth rewatching.

00:01:10.560 This is from 2022 at a Homeland Security Committee hearing, where he asked it just directly of

00:01:17.060 the FBI director.

00:01:18.320 Watch.

00:01:18.540 Did the FBI have confidential human sources embedded within the January 6th protesters on

00:01:28.180 January 6th of 2021?

00:01:31.120 Well, Congressman, as I'm sure you can appreciate, I have to be very careful about what I can say

00:01:35.900 about when-

00:01:36.460 Even now, because that's what you told us two years ago.

00:01:39.700 May I finish?

00:01:41.020 About when we do and do not, and where we have and have not used confidential human sources.

00:01:46.240 But to the extent that there's a suggestion, for example, that the FBI's confidential human

00:01:51.460 sources or FBI employees in some way instigated or orchestrated January 6th, that's categorically

00:01:57.240 false.

00:01:57.600 Did you have confidential human sources dressed as Trump supporters inside the Capitol on

00:02:02.680 January 6th, prior to the doors being opened?

00:02:06.100 Again, I had to be very careful.

00:02:07.840 It should be a no.

00:02:08.960 Can you not tell the American people, no, we did not have confidential human sources dressed

00:02:14.300 as Trump supporters positioned inside the Capitol on January 6th?

00:02:17.400 Gentlemen, time has expired.

00:02:18.780 You should not read anything into my decision not to share information.

00:02:23.600 Director, a gentleman's time has expired. 0.99

00:02:26.200 What a sleazy, repulsive little authoritarian liar Chris Wray is. 0.99

00:02:31.360 That's obvious when you watch that tape. 0.98

00:02:33.660 The sad part is, so few tapes like that exist because so few have confronted him directly

00:02:37.840 and asked questions to which the entire country has a right to know the answer, like that one.

00:02:42.460 Clay Higgins did that.

00:02:43.620 Congressman from Louisiana, Lafayette, joins us in studio.

00:02:47.340 Congressman, thanks so much for coming on.

00:02:49.000 Thank you for having me talk.

00:02:50.220 So that was over a year ago that you asked that question, which is a central question, and

00:02:54.400 you asked it, as I think is appropriate, without any embarrassment at all on behalf of your

00:02:58.200 constituents and the rest of the country.

00:03:00.140 Are you any closer to the answer now?

00:03:03.560 Well, we're closer to being in a position where we can reveal the answers that we already

00:03:10.540 have.

00:03:11.100 Much of the evidence that we have compiled from investigative effort over the course of the

00:03:21.820 last couple of years, some offices like my own sort of operating in silos of investigative

00:03:29.560 endeavor have now been able to come together now that we have a Republican majority and we

00:03:36.760 have access to the, to the, to the, to the staffs of the appropriate investigative committees.

00:03:43.780 And so I sit on the oversight committee and we Republicans run that committee now, therefore

00:03:49.800 we control the staff.

00:03:51.100 So when you can magnify the efforts that individual members of Congress have, have, have pushed within

00:04:00.460 our own offices, when you can magnify those efforts by the, the skill and the numbers of staff from

00:04:07.280 the committees, you, you, you get a lot of evidence reviewed professionally and aligned and

00:04:14.340 assembled into a, essentially a case file.

00:04:16.940 And in, in, in this case, this is a big file because the, the, the involvement of, of certain

00:04:26.980 actors, and you could say deep state actors within the federal government to set the stage

00:04:34.080 for, uh, what happened in, in J four, five and six and, and two, um, and trap thousands of

00:04:44.040 Americans from across the country and to lure them into this, this set stage on J four, five

00:04:51.760 and six, the people that were involved in that is, is, is, is quite a large web.

00:04:57.880 So yes, sir, we do have a great deal of evidence compiled and we're, we're gradually professionally,

00:05:06.460 uh, rolling that evidence out.

00:05:10.140 So you sort of answered the question right there in larger terms.

00:05:13.480 You just said that elements within the federal government, I assume law enforcement, intel

00:05:17.660 and military, and I'm using your words, lured Americans to Washington into what you called

00:05:25.340 a trap.

00:05:26.380 Yes, sir.

00:05:27.880 So that would, I mean, that's a shocking, and I assume that's a, that's a sober conclusion

00:05:32.800 based on the evidence.

00:05:33.840 That's what you're saying.

00:05:34.580 That's, that's, that would be my sober assessment as an investigator.

00:05:39.960 And, um, you know, I'm quite a, I love my country and, and I've, I've always been a staunch

00:05:47.780 defender of the thin blue line.

00:05:49.760 And I'm, I would proudly count the FBI amongst that number.

00:05:54.140 It was like brothers to me.

00:05:55.400 So to find that level of, uh, of conspiratorial corruption at the highest levels of the FBI

00:06:04.080 has been very troubling to me as a man, as a cop.

00:06:09.020 And, and yet, you know, you follow the evidence wherever it leads.

00:06:13.700 And yes, this is what investigators do.

00:06:15.820 So, uh, when I asked Christopher Wray that, that question, for instance, I, I already knew

00:06:22.700 the answer.

00:06:23.380 I had reviewed compelling evidence that, that FBI had assets, human assets, dressed as Trump

00:06:32.400 supporters inside the Capitol prior to the doors being opened and the masses allowed in.

00:06:39.340 And so I, I knew that the FBI was deeply involved.

00:06:46.420 I'd seen evidence even at that time with, uh, that the FBI had embedded themselves into

00:06:53.000 various groups online across the country of Americans who were essentially, uh, voicing their,

00:07:01.180 their concerns and airing their grievances with each other about COVID oppression.

00:07:06.940 Those Americans were targeted by the FBI, almost universally Republicans and, and, uh, largely Trump

00:07:16.220 supporters, but the FBI worked undercover to infiltrate those conversations and become a

00:07:25.480 significant part of those individual Americans, uh, communications.

00:07:31.420 And when you dig into the evidence that we've, we've had revealed through, through some criminal

00:07:37.680 cases that I've, I've, I've followed and worked with the families of J6, uh, political 1.00

00:07:43.740 detainees and Americans that have been persecuted for their involvement in the Capitol that day.

00:07:51.900 And some of that evidence is shockingly reveals that the, the, the, the FBI agents that were operating

00:07:59.640 undercover within the online groups across the country were, were the first ones to plant the

00:08:07.180 seeds of, of, uh, suggestions of, of, of a, of a more radical occupation of the Capitol.

00:08:15.360 And, and, and they were sort of testing the waters of who amongst that group would, would begin

00:08:24.160 acknowledging that, you know, yeah, maybe, maybe we should do that.

00:08:30.640 Maybe we should plan for an occupation like that.

00:08:33.960 But if you look at the, the origins of those conversations, they, they were started by the,

00:08:39.520 the FBI undercover guy that was operating inside the group.

00:08:43.340 And then months later, uh, on January 4th, 5th, and 6th, many of those Americans met for

00:08:51.200 the first time in person when they gathered for the massive rally where American patriots

00:08:58.700 assembled to object to, to everything that had happened during 2020, the COVID oppression,

00:09:04.580 and the, the, the stunning results of what we believe was a compromise election cycle in November, 2020.

00:09:13.040 So Americans gathered at their own Capitol to, to appropriately air grievances and protests

00:09:21.400 at their Capitol, but embedded amongst their number was an FBI asset that had been working

00:09:29.680 from within their group online for many months.

00:09:32.800 So this was the level of, uh, of manipulative effort that the FBI invested into American citizenry

00:09:45.840 and our, our assembly online to, our, to exercise our rights under the First Amendment, to talk

00:09:53.520 to each other about whatever we want to talk about, including the, the, the insidious suppressions

00:09:59.980 of COVID that we were suffering across the country.

00:10:02.980 So, and our concerns about where the election was going, the whole mail-in ballot thing, we

00:10:08.680 could see the stage was being set for a compromised election cycle, possibly.

00:10:15.340 And to our horror, that's what happened.

00:10:17.440 And so FBI had fingerprints on this thing from, for many months prior to J four, five and six.

00:10:30.140 I want to go back to something you said in the first sentence, which is you have seen evidence

00:10:35.040 and that spurred your questions to Chris Ray, that there were FBI assets dressed as Trump supporters

00:10:41.480 within the Capitol.

00:10:43.620 So that is proof of entrapment because of course the federal government could have prevented entry

00:10:48.460 into the Capitol building.

00:10:49.460 There aren't that many doors.

00:10:50.540 You work there, you know, but they allowed people in on purpose to entrap them.

00:10:55.160 That's what that proves.

00:10:56.160 I think.

00:10:57.160 Does it not?

00:10:58.160 Well, it's certainly condemning.

00:11:00.420 It's another piece of the, of the strategy that the, that the government employed to sort

00:11:09.240 of complete the entrapment of Americans that they had, had infiltrated and then prodded and 0.89

00:11:18.380 provoked with online with the, with those original seeds planted of, of, uh, actions like, you

00:11:27.580 know, what type of gear to wear and, and, and just in language that incited behavior that

00:11:35.360 could go the wrong way, you know, pushing, uh, actions of, of legal and legitimate peaceful

00:11:42.500 protest to an edge where, where those Americans would likely not have gone.

00:11:48.680 Had they not been, been, you know, encouraged by the FBI plant amongst their number that they

00:11:59.220 didn't know was there.

00:12:00.280 So by the time it was actually J six and you had, you had, uh, masses of Americans assembled

00:12:08.280 outside the Capitol, um, you know, like 99.9%, 100% peaceful.

00:12:19.380 On the inside, you had FBI assets dressed as Trump supporters that knew their way around

00:12:26.780 the Capitol.

00:12:27.780 Before the doors even open.

00:12:29.220 Before the doors open.

00:12:30.220 How are you going to get around the Capitol?

00:12:31.940 You've been there many times.

00:12:33.040 You need a guide to get from whatever door you go in.

00:12:36.320 It's a labyrinth.

00:12:37.320 It's, it's a, it's a maze inside there.

00:12:39.220 So that's right.

00:12:40.220 So there's no way just Americans, most of which had never been to the Capitol, there's

00:12:45.440 no way they can come in some random door that gets opened and then get their way directly

00:12:50.420 to the, to the statuary or the house chamber or the Senate chamber.

00:12:54.940 It's just not possible.

00:12:56.780 So the, the, the FBI assets that were dressed as Trump supporters that were inside the Capitol

00:13:04.320 were there, I believe, and evidence indicates that they were there to, to specifically wave

00:13:10.940 in the, the Trump supporters that had gathered outside the Capitol and the doors open and

00:13:17.100 they were allowed in.

00:13:18.720 And on the inside were, were, oh, there's some more Trump supporters, but really those

00:13:24.460 were FBI assets, law enforcement assets that knew their way around the Capitol.

00:13:29.680 And they, they waved those guys in, said, come on, follow us.

00:13:33.620 And they, they're the ones that led them on the path directly.

00:13:38.080 Man, how do you think a guy who's never been to the Capitol, got to, got to come into the

00:13:43.000 Capitol, all amped up on, on emotion and make his way straight to Nancy Pelosi's office.

00:13:50.280 Come on.

00:13:51.400 It's like, I couldn't get there.

00:13:52.880 There's no way.

00:13:53.500 I've been there for seven years.

00:13:54.960 He'd come in some random door at the Capitol and make my way to Nancy Pelosi.

00:13:58.140 Everything is unmarked.

00:13:59.760 I mean, those leadership offices are unmarked.

00:14:01.600 So how would you know that?

00:14:02.480 It's confusing to get around in the Capitol.

00:14:05.320 Every American that has been there knows this.

00:14:08.080 When you go on a tour, you bring your family to DC, you go through the Capitol, you have

00:14:13.120 to have a guide.

00:14:14.800 And, and on January 6th, the guides were FBI assets, the law enforcement assets, and they

00:14:22.540 were dressed as Trump supporters.

00:14:24.080 They were positioned inside the Capitol prior to the doors being open so that the Americans

00:14:30.240 that had assembled outside the Capitol, once allowed in, could be brought directly to the

00:14:37.800 areas where the FBI and the DOJ and the deep state actors knew would be the most, the most

00:14:47.620 sort of condemning criminal action of, of Americans being a lot, being inside the Capitol, protesting

00:14:59.300 without permit and things.

00:15:01.540 They knew it was setting the stage for arrest and prosecution.

00:15:07.220 It's such a crime.

00:15:08.460 Who planned this, do you think?

00:15:09.880 Well, I think the factions planned this.

00:15:14.900 I wouldn't say who, because that, yeah, I don't think there was one person that planned

00:15:22.200 this.

00:15:22.580 But I believe the faction of establishment liberals within the FBI and the Democrat Party and

00:15:35.620 our intelligence services to, to another extent, um, used their massive powers of surveillance

00:15:44.380 and, uh, in, and investigative, uh, assets that they have across the country, confidential

00:15:55.060 informants, registered informants, non-registered informants, voluntary informants.

00:16:00.380 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a, um, complex web of, um, FBI assets across the country that

00:16:09.940 can be activated.

00:16:11.140 So if you have authority at some of the highest levels in the FBI, it doesn't take much.

00:16:19.740 The faction within the FBI and within our intelligence services that would coordinate with,

00:16:27.040 with the most extreme liberal, uh, factions within a Democrat party that were desperate

00:16:34.800 to keep Trump out of office and, and, you know, worked within the, the theater of operations,

00:16:46.960 shall we say, that had been, that had been set by the COVID alleged medical emergencies nationwide

00:16:55.600 and millions and millions of mail-in ballots.

00:16:58.560 There's no daylight between the, the compromised election cycle of November, 2020, and ultimately

00:17:08.160 what happened on, on, on J6.

00:17:11.700 So you ask who planned this, this would be the combination of several, several of the most

00:17:20.340 extreme liberal anti-Trump, anti-America first factions that, uh, that win positions of authority

00:17:29.800 within our, our federal law enforcement organizations and the, the Democrat party across the country.

00:17:40.660 Can, when you say that there were FBI assets in the crowd, in, in the building beforehand

00:17:47.180 and, and certainly outside, what's the scale of this?

00:17:50.480 You're talking like 10, 20?

00:17:52.500 No, um, based upon some very conservative, but like hard investigative effort, evaluation

00:18:07.880 of, of the numbers from putting together eyewitnesses and, and videos and, uh, and affidavit

00:18:18.000 statement and whistleblower statements and, uh, uh, court records that have been revealed

00:18:24.640 through individual criminal cases where J6 defendants have been prosecuted and smart attorneys 0.99

00:18:32.100 have forced, uh, admissions by the DOJ and the FBI, but those admissions have been sealed

00:18:41.920 within the parameter of that criminal case by protective order by the judge. So they, I can't

00:18:48.980 share them, but I've seen them. So real hard objective and conservative, um, estimates would,

00:18:58.780 would put the number of FBI assets in the crowd outside and working inside at, at well over 200.

00:19:09.920 200? Yeah. Yeah.

00:19:12.640 So you're in law enforcement. Yeah.

00:19:14.600 Yeah. Before you came to Congress in the military as well. Um, that seemed, that's an extraordinary number.

00:19:21.640 Is it?

00:19:22.680 Well, no. When you think about the scope of the operation, if you were going to do this,

00:19:27.340 you would need, you would need that number.

00:19:28.740 But relative to, so like when, I don't know, Minneapolis burned down or when St. John's,

00:19:35.520 the Episcopal Church across from the White House in Lafayette Square was set ablaze

00:19:38.420 and all those secret service agents were injured. Were there 200 FBI assets in the crowd among

00:19:43.800 Antifa then? I mean, I, I don't know how many undercover agents the FBI would have in a situation

00:19:52.680 like that, but to, but, but, but, but J6 was the, was the, was the final act prior to arrest and

00:20:04.760 prosecution of, of Americans that, that were identified as, as Trump supporters. I mean,

00:20:14.640 their objective was to destroy the entire mega movement to, to forever stain the, uh, the patriotic

00:20:24.260 fervor that was associated with, with the America first mega movement that had won in 2016. And we

00:20:34.260 believe won again in 2020 and the, the establishment, uh, on both sides and both major parties were

00:20:42.460 determined to, to smash that out of existence, not just by defeating Trump, but by destroying the, uh,

00:20:50.640 the reputations of the movement itself by creating this narrative that it was totally false,

00:20:59.120 uh, but, but, but was heavily pushed that the, that mega Republicans, America first Republicans

00:21:08.060 are somehow a danger to our Republic and a domestic terror threat. There's a whole nother story about

00:21:16.060 what the FBI has done to tagging Americans as a suspected domestic terrorist and, and following us

00:21:24.400 as we travel across the country. But the, the bottom line is that, uh, 200 as a, I believe it's a

00:21:33.920 conservative number. First of all, I think there would, there's many more, but the, a number that I'm

00:21:40.000 comfortable going on record with is that we believe that there were, that there were easily 200 FBI

00:21:48.080 to cover assets operating in the crowd, uh, outside the Capitol embedded into groups that entered the

00:21:58.800 Capitol or provoked entry of the Capitol and working with FBI assets that would have included Metro Police

00:22:10.640 and Capitol Police that were dressed as Trump supporters inside the Capitol because those were the guys that

00:22:17.120 knew their way around the Capitol. So given the scope of the operation and the number of, of doors where,

00:22:24.880 uh, entry was allowed or even encouraged, um, then the, and the number of people that were actually

00:22:35.120 outside the Capitol and it entered, we believe 200 is a conservative number. Yes, sir.

00:22:41.920 It's, it's shocking what you're saying. It confirms everyone's worst suspicions about this. It's

00:22:48.640 clearly true. Um, did you come across any evidence that the, the DOD, the military, either Defense

00:22:55.680 Intelligence Agency or National Guard or any part of the U.S. military played any role in this at all?

00:23:01.360 No, I have not seen that. Um, I've, I've heard the echoes of that suspicion and I have, I have observed, um,

00:23:11.040 circumstantial evidence that, that has been presented to me that I've, that I have reviewed, but to, but to me, um,

00:23:21.680 it does not rise to the level that I would call, um, actionable from an investigative perspective.

00:23:31.600 So there's some, there was some, some suspicion, but in, in, in law enforcement, the thresholds

00:23:37.680 you're looking across is reasonable suspicion that would prompted a criminal investigation.

00:23:43.600 And then the next threshold is probable cause, which you need for arrest. And then of course,

00:23:50.080 in our system, finally, the last threshold is, is, uh, is, uh, is conviction and guilt beyond a

00:23:56.880 reasonable doubt. So then I, I did review evidence Tucker regarding, uh, some suspicions of military

00:24:06.640 involvement in some way, but, and I, and I've, I have reviewed some of that evidence that, that has

00:24:14.720 been, that I've been able to get my hands on. And, uh, I do not think that the military was, uh, was

00:24:22.080 involved, not at the level, most certainly not at the level of the FBI and, uh, over the course of all of

00:24:31.120 2020. And then on J four, five and six, the FBI working in coordination with other law enforcement

00:24:41.680 assets that, that they roped into the operation from Metro PD from DC and, and, uh, the Capitol police

00:24:51.520 was sort of, uh, was sort of tricked into participating with the, with what the FBI had been staging for

00:25:01.440 you know, 10 months. It just, I mean, if you take three steps back, this is not democracy.

00:25:08.240 So the federal agencies serve under the oversight of the elected president and then

00:25:13.520 under the oversight of the elected Congress, their elected people get to make the decisions.

00:25:18.080 You're a Republican president, you now have a Republican Congress

00:25:21.760 and neither one can get a straight answer from the FBI. No one has any control of the FBI. You're

00:25:25.760 describing a government within a government. Well, in America,

00:25:37.600 a question becomes reasonable. Men would, would, would ask when we face a crisis like this,

00:25:45.200 who investigates to investigate, right? And the answer in America is, is Congress.

00:25:52.960 So we, we have the responsibility to investigate through the appropriate committees, which would,

00:25:59.360 we're certainly, we're certainly doing that now that we have Republican majority

00:26:03.840 in control of the committees, but we don't have the power to arrest.

00:26:07.600 We can, we can, we can give criminal referrals based upon our investigative efforts, but we have

00:26:15.600 to have a DOJ that's receptive to the criminal referrals. So we, we've hit quite a, a brick wall,

00:26:23.200 have we not? And constitutionally, we, we have the responsibility to investigate objectively and,

00:26:30.320 and, and, and anyone that knows me knows that's exactly what I'm, I'm pursuing. I do not have,

00:26:38.400 I'm not trying to create a crime to fit a narrative to blame on the FBI. I'm following the evidence

00:26:45.120 and, and to my horror, it implicates our FBI at the highest level and a, and a, a conspiracy within

00:26:55.200 our government at the highest level to create the, the, uh, to set the stage for a compromised election

00:27:05.440 cycle in 2020. And then the, the, the actions that took place on J four, five and, and six, and then

00:27:17.520 the, the criminal investigation, arrest and prosecution of Americans that they were able to entrap

00:27:25.920 and document with the thousands of cameras that were operating that day and use that evidence that

00:27:33.200 they knew they were setting up to investigate, arrest and prosecute the Americans that they had entrapped.

00:27:40.640 So Congress can investigate these things and we, and we are, and we will reveal these horrific truths

00:27:49.520 and we will have criminal referrals. But until you have a, a, a president running the executive branch

00:27:59.600 that will clean house at a DOJ and FBI at the highest levels and put American patriots in place

00:28:07.120 that will be, that will act upon the criminal referrals that, that Congress provides, then none

00:28:14.160 of those guys are going to get arrested because they're not going to arrest themselves. And we don't

00:28:18.640 have arrest authority.

00:28:20.000 I'm a little surprised and don't expect to be critical of your colleagues in the Republican conference,

00:28:24.960 but I mean, they do control the house. Impeachment is a thing. Chris Ray is still the FBI director.

00:28:30.800 I watched Republicans, some of whom I know cheer the murder of Ashley Babbitt, who was an unarmed woman,

00:28:35.760 less than five, five, uh, by Michael Byrd. They were on Michael Byrd's side.

00:28:40.960 And it, I have to say for a lot of Republican voters, and I count myself among them, very clarifying.

00:28:46.400 If you're cheering Ashley Babbitt's murder, shooting women now, that's okay because she likes Trump.

00:28:51.600 And their Republicans are like, yeah, I was happy. Like a lot of them thought that. What the hell?

00:28:57.360 Yeah, that was, and it, it made me sick. 0.93

00:29:01.040 Me too.

00:29:02.400 You know, I'm, there's a great responsibility when you, when you wear a badge in America.

00:29:08.960 I mean, think about it, to be, to be the, to be the designated servant of your community that has,

00:29:18.080 that has the, the authority to, uh, to deny the freedom of a fellow American in the land of the free.

00:29:29.200 Like, that's a heavy responsibility.

00:29:32.080 So, the, the escalation of, of force is, it must be appropriate in order to affect a lawful arrest.

00:29:44.640 And, and, uh, a, a bad, a bad shoot is the worst thing that an officer can possibly be involved in, in his, in his career.

00:29:58.240 It's, it's, you know, we, it's, it's, it's the thing of nightmares for, for good police officers.

00:30:04.800 So, to take what was, what was, from a law enforcement perspective, was clearly a bad shoot, because there's some basic rules you just cannot violate.

00:30:13.640 You have to attempt to affect an arrest before you can go to deadly force.

00:30:19.480 There was, there was no attempt to arrest Ashley Babbitt.

00:30:23.900 There were, there were officers on the other side of the window she was climbing through.

00:30:29.960 There were officers on the interior side of the window she was climbing through.

00:30:36.780 There was no indication that had been, they, this had been going on for an hour.

00:30:41.420 And there was, there was no reports on the radio anywhere else of, of gunfights.

00:30:47.040 So, there was no reason at that point to expect that Ashley Babbitt or anybody else in the, in the crowd was going to produce a firearm and start firing on police officers.

00:30:58.460 Why? Because it had not happened.

00:31:00.180 So, that's part of the totality of circumstance that a police officer is responsible for knowing.

00:31:06.280 We stay in constant communication with our radios.

00:31:09.240 We know what's going on.

00:31:10.400 That officer that, that, that pulled that trigger would shot a, a American woman who was clearly in a, in like a physically compromised position, climbing through the broken glass of a, of a window is not, you know, it's not like she just stepped into the cage at MMA and she was ready to fight.

00:31:36.820 She's climbing through a window draped in a flag.

00:31:40.360 This police officer is on the other side of the window.

00:31:43.400 This police officer is on the interior side of the window.

00:31:47.520 So, you have plenty enough officer presence.

00:31:51.340 If you want to arrest that woman, then by all means, pull her through the window, you know, put flex cuffs on her and throw her in the corner. 1.00

00:31:59.860 We'll get to you later, ma'am. 0.86

00:32:01.460 We're kind of busy right now.

00:32:02.940 But that's what you do.

00:32:04.420 You'd have grabbed that woman and pulled her through, flex cuffed her and threw her in the corner. 1.00

00:32:09.480 Or handed her back to somebody that could pull her back, you know, from that front line right there.

00:32:15.240 So, I understand that very well, I understand officers have to make split-second decisions.

00:32:22.400 But you never, you never make a decision to use lethal force unless it's absolutely called for and required.

00:32:33.120 If you're losing a fight, attempting to affect an arrest, then, and yeah, you know, if there's, if the officer's life is in danger, it is all by himself.

00:32:44.100 But there's never should be a circumstance where you just pull the trigger and a woman climbing through a window that's clearly unarmed.

00:32:51.320 There's no evidence of gunplay from the crowd that she's coming from.

00:32:55.500 You got officers on both sides of where she is. 1.00

00:32:58.580 If you got to arrest her, then by all means, arrest her, you know, to put flex cuffs on her and, and move on. 0.94

00:33:06.140 So, you know, she can handle the next person trying to come through the window. 0.77

00:33:10.720 But you don't shoot her.

00:33:12.760 So, that was a bad shoot.

00:33:13.960 And if you do, there's an investigation.

00:33:16.360 It was cheered.

00:33:17.060 Yeah.

00:33:17.880 Why do you think that was?

00:33:20.460 And there's this, there's this insanity that has taken hold in the, in the, the minds and hearts of many otherwise reasonable American citizens where they, they, they hate Trump so much.

00:33:35.120 Like they're, they're, they're so deeply embedded and they're, they've sold their souls to the establishment that when we had an America first president and, and he, and he'd like stopped the, uh, the military industrial complex forward momentum.

00:33:51.820 And, and, and he, and he began restoring power to individual members of Congress and restoring individual rights and freedoms and sovereignty of the state.

00:34:03.000 And he took away the actions of the cartels and, and, and, and brought this, uh, this real common sense approach to the executive branch and was leading our country in that beautiful direction.

00:34:17.400 And, and, uh, this was interfering with the business model of the establishment.

00:34:23.140 So many career politicians on both sides of the aisle and I, you know, I don't like those guys, man.

00:34:32.040 I'm not one of them.

00:34:34.300 Uh, and I, I, I serve my country in Congress, but, uh, I, I don't consider myself a politician by any means.

00:34:41.940 I'm a servant to we, the people.

00:34:43.640 But some of these guys, man, they pop out of the womb to be politicians.

00:34:49.780 They're groomed their whole life, you know, to be a career politician.

00:34:55.120 And those are the ones that had this instinctive cheer for something really bad happening to a Trump supporter.

00:35:04.800 You know, their true color showed in that moment, and it was an ugly color.

00:35:09.740 Yeah, that's it. We shouldn't be shooting women, number one. I couldn't agree more. 1.00

00:35:15.640 So where does this go from here? You have this corpus of information. It sounds like it's definitive.

00:35:21.340 When does the public see the detail, and what's the process after that?

00:35:26.200 It's a good question. So evidence from criminal investigations by nature is rather secretive.

00:35:35.740 But there is a tremendous compilation of data that I think should be made completely available to the public.

00:35:45.380 And that's the digital files from J-4, 5, and 6.

00:35:49.780 This is where Speaker Mike Johnson can be a champion that will be remembered throughout history as the Speaker of the House

00:36:01.760 that fully released, unredacted digital files from J-4, 5, and 6 completely to the American people.

00:36:12.900 And within that data is full truth, and the American people is the only staff large enough to, you know,

00:36:28.920 frame by frame go through 80,000 hours of digital evidence.

00:36:34.540 Nobody has a staff big enough to do that, but we can crowdsource it to the American people.

00:36:39.940 So you ask, when will this evidence be released?

00:36:45.360 I've been encouraging Speaker Johnson, as I did Speaker McCarthy, to, by God, man,

00:36:54.220 release this data to the American people.

00:36:57.380 Why won't they?

00:36:58.900 I believe Speaker Johnson will.

00:37:01.620 But Mike is quite a skilled constitutionalist attorney himself, and he's a very measured, patient, faithful man.

00:37:14.740 So I extend trust to Speaker Johnson when he says that it's his intention to fully release the, called the J-6 tapes,

00:37:27.120 but really it's digital evidence is more than, it's more than just video evidence.

00:37:33.060 It's, it's a lot.

00:37:33.940 There's, you know, radio transcripts, the whole thing.

00:37:39.620 I believe Speaker Johnson knows that this is a significant duty that he must,

00:37:51.540 he must perform for the American people.

00:37:56.360 It's a moment in history where, where, you know,

00:37:59.840 I believe our Lord and Savior has placed him in that, in that position of service to the country,

00:38:05.580 and he has a responsibility to, to fully release that data.

00:38:10.360 And then the American people will see for themselves what some of us have already learned to our horror to be true.

00:38:21.540 Congressman Higgins, thank you very much.

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 06, 2024

Rep. Clay Higgins

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