Rep. Clay Higgins
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It has been three years since the events of January 6th, 2019. And yet, the question still lingers: was it a setup? Was the FBI behind the attack on the protesters that day, or was it something else entirely different? Rep. Clay Higgins, R-La., asks the question directly to Director Chris Wray at a Homeland Security Committee hearing, and the answer may surprise you. Rep. Higgins joins Jemele to discuss the possibility that the FBI may have been set up by Deep State agents within the Department of Justice, the Justice Department, the CIA, the DOJ Intelligence Community, or even the National Security Agency, to set the stage for the events that transpired that day in the streets of Washington, D.C. Congressman Clay Higgins (R-La.) joins us in studio to talk about the possibility of a cover-up, and what we can do to find out what happened that day and what happened to the thousands of people on the streets that day. What was really going on inside the White House that day? And who were the deep state agents involved in the planning and execution of the January 6, 2019, attack? And how did they get there? and why? Join Jemele and Alex as she uncovers the truth behind it? Subscribe to our new podcast, and stay tuned for Part 2 of the conversation with Clay Higgins! in the coming weeks. Subscribe, Subscribe, and share the podcast with your friends and family! Subscribe and comment to stay up to date with the latest episodes of Conspiracy Theories on social media and other media outlets! and other awesome things going on the happenings in your favorite podcast wherever you get your favourite podcast platform! . Subscribe on Podulpodcasts! Subscribe on Apple Podcasts! Learn more about your ad choices! Download MP3 Subscribe on iTunes Learn more from your favorite podulpcast or wherever you listen to your favourite podulchromeo podcast on the podular podcast? Subscribe on your favorite streaming platform? Download it on the Podulium app? or share it on your podulium? Connect with a fellow podulcio to become a fellow spay and review it on a friend on the social media platform? Subscribe to my podcast? Learn about your podcast choices? Share it on iTunes or subscribe on PODCODE subscribe on iTunes
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It has been exactly three years since January 6th, the events of January 6th, the racist
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insurrection that shocked this nation to its core, more profoundly than anything since
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And it has taken a while, honestly, even for people who aren't on the side of the professional
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liars to realize there's something amiss about what happened that day, not just the response,
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the largest law enforcement mobilization in the history of the United States, that was
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obviously disproportionate because it wasn't the worst riot that year, not even closed.
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But the day itself, there was something about January 6th that didn't feel right.
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And hovering over that day has remained the question, to what extent was it a setup?
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But what's interesting is how few people have asked that entirely legitimate question.
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And one of the very few, really one of the only in the United States Congress, is a member
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And in case you haven't seen this clip, it's worth rewatching.
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This is from 2022 at a Homeland Security Committee hearing, where he asked it just directly of
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Did the FBI have confidential human sources embedded within the January 6th protesters on
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Well, Congressman, as I'm sure you can appreciate, I have to be very careful about what I can say
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Even now, because that's what you told us two years ago.
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About when we do and do not, and where we have and have not used confidential human sources.
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But to the extent that there's a suggestion, for example, that the FBI's confidential human
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sources or FBI employees in some way instigated or orchestrated January 6th, that's categorically
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Did you have confidential human sources dressed as Trump supporters inside the Capitol on
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Can you not tell the American people, no, we did not have confidential human sources dressed
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as Trump supporters positioned inside the Capitol on January 6th?
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You should not read anything into my decision not to share information.
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What a sleazy, repulsive little authoritarian liar Chris Wray is.
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The sad part is, so few tapes like that exist because so few have confronted him directly
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and asked questions to which the entire country has a right to know the answer, like that one.
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Congressman from Louisiana, Lafayette, joins us in studio.
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So that was over a year ago that you asked that question, which is a central question, and
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you asked it, as I think is appropriate, without any embarrassment at all on behalf of your
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Well, we're closer to being in a position where we can reveal the answers that we already
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Much of the evidence that we have compiled from investigative effort over the course of the
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last couple of years, some offices like my own sort of operating in silos of investigative
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endeavor have now been able to come together now that we have a Republican majority and we
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have access to the, to the, to the, to the staffs of the appropriate investigative committees.
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And so I sit on the oversight committee and we Republicans run that committee now, therefore
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So when you can magnify the efforts that individual members of Congress have, have, have pushed within
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our own offices, when you can magnify those efforts by the, the skill and the numbers of staff from
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the committees, you, you, you get a lot of evidence reviewed professionally and aligned and
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And in, in, in this case, this is a big file because the, the, the involvement of, of certain
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actors, and you could say deep state actors within the federal government to set the stage
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for, uh, what happened in, in J four, five and six and, and two, um, and trap thousands of
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Americans from across the country and to lure them into this, this set stage on J four, five
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and six, the people that were involved in that is, is, is, is quite a large web.
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So yes, sir, we do have a great deal of evidence compiled and we're, we're gradually professionally,
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So you sort of answered the question right there in larger terms.
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You just said that elements within the federal government, I assume law enforcement, intel
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and military, and I'm using your words, lured Americans to Washington into what you called
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So that would, I mean, that's a shocking, and I assume that's a, that's a sober conclusion
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That's, that's, that would be my sober assessment as an investigator.
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And, um, you know, I'm quite a, I love my country and, and I've, I've always been a staunch
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And I'm, I would proudly count the FBI amongst that number.
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So to find that level of, uh, of conspiratorial corruption at the highest levels of the FBI
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has been very troubling to me as a man, as a cop.
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And, and yet, you know, you follow the evidence wherever it leads.
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So, uh, when I asked Christopher Wray that, that question, for instance, I, I already knew
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I had reviewed compelling evidence that, that FBI had assets, human assets, dressed as Trump
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supporters inside the Capitol prior to the doors being opened and the masses allowed in.
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And so I, I knew that the FBI was deeply involved.
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I'd seen evidence even at that time with, uh, that the FBI had embedded themselves into
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various groups online across the country of Americans who were essentially, uh, voicing their,
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their concerns and airing their grievances with each other about COVID oppression.
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Those Americans were targeted by the FBI, almost universally Republicans and, and, uh, largely Trump
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supporters, but the FBI worked undercover to infiltrate those conversations and become a
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significant part of those individual Americans, uh, communications.
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And when you dig into the evidence that we've, we've had revealed through, through some criminal
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cases that I've, I've, I've followed and worked with the families of J6, uh, political
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detainees and Americans that have been persecuted for their involvement in the Capitol that day.
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And some of that evidence is shockingly reveals that the, the, the, the FBI agents that were operating
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undercover within the online groups across the country were, were the first ones to plant the
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seeds of, of, uh, suggestions of, of, of a, of a more radical occupation of the Capitol.
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And, and, and they were sort of testing the waters of who amongst that group would, would begin
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acknowledging that, you know, yeah, maybe, maybe we should do that.
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Maybe we should plan for an occupation like that.
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But if you look at the, the origins of those conversations, they, they were started by the,
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the FBI undercover guy that was operating inside the group.
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And then months later, uh, on January 4th, 5th, and 6th, many of those Americans met for
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the first time in person when they gathered for the massive rally where American patriots
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assembled to object to, to everything that had happened during 2020, the COVID oppression,
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and the, the, the stunning results of what we believe was a compromise election cycle in November, 2020.
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So Americans gathered at their own Capitol to, to appropriately air grievances and protests
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at their Capitol, but embedded amongst their number was an FBI asset that had been working
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from within their group online for many months.
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So this was the level of, uh, of manipulative effort that the FBI invested into American citizenry
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and our, our assembly online to, our, to exercise our rights under the First Amendment, to talk
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to each other about whatever we want to talk about, including the, the, the insidious suppressions
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of COVID that we were suffering across the country.
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So, and our concerns about where the election was going, the whole mail-in ballot thing, we
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could see the stage was being set for a compromised election cycle, possibly.
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And so FBI had fingerprints on this thing from, for many months prior to J four, five and six.
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I want to go back to something you said in the first sentence, which is you have seen evidence
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and that spurred your questions to Chris Ray, that there were FBI assets dressed as Trump supporters
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So that is proof of entrapment because of course the federal government could have prevented entry
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You work there, you know, but they allowed people in on purpose to entrap them.
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It's another piece of the, of the strategy that the, that the government employed to sort
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of complete the entrapment of Americans that they had, had infiltrated and then prodded and
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provoked with online with the, with those original seeds planted of, of, uh, actions like, you
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know, what type of gear to wear and, and, and just in language that incited behavior that
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could go the wrong way, you know, pushing, uh, actions of, of legal and legitimate peaceful
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protest to an edge where, where those Americans would likely not have gone.
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Had they not been, been, you know, encouraged by the FBI plant amongst their number that they
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So by the time it was actually J six and you had, you had, uh, masses of Americans assembled
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outside the Capitol, um, you know, like 99.9%, 100% peaceful.
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On the inside, you had FBI assets dressed as Trump supporters that knew their way around
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You need a guide to get from whatever door you go in.
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So there's no way just Americans, most of which had never been to the Capitol, there's
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no way they can come in some random door that gets opened and then get their way directly
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to the, to the statuary or the house chamber or the Senate chamber.
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So the, the, the FBI assets that were dressed as Trump supporters that were inside the Capitol
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were there, I believe, and evidence indicates that they were there to, to specifically wave
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in the, the Trump supporters that had gathered outside the Capitol and the doors open and
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And on the inside were, were, oh, there's some more Trump supporters, but really those
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were FBI assets, law enforcement assets that knew their way around the Capitol.
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And they, they waved those guys in, said, come on, follow us.
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And they, they're the ones that led them on the path directly.
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Man, how do you think a guy who's never been to the Capitol, got to, got to come into the
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Capitol, all amped up on, on emotion and make his way straight to Nancy Pelosi's office.
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He'd come in some random door at the Capitol and make my way to Nancy Pelosi.
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When you go on a tour, you bring your family to DC, you go through the Capitol, you have
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And, and on January 6th, the guides were FBI assets, the law enforcement assets, and they
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They were positioned inside the Capitol prior to the doors being open so that the Americans
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that had assembled outside the Capitol, once allowed in, could be brought directly to the
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areas where the FBI and the DOJ and the deep state actors knew would be the most, the most
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sort of condemning criminal action of, of Americans being a lot, being inside the Capitol, protesting
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They knew it was setting the stage for arrest and prosecution.
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I wouldn't say who, because that, yeah, I don't think there was one person that planned
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But I believe the faction of establishment liberals within the FBI and the Democrat Party and
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our intelligence services to, to another extent, um, used their massive powers of surveillance
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and, uh, in, and investigative, uh, assets that they have across the country, confidential
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informants, registered informants, non-registered informants, voluntary informants.
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It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a, um, complex web of, um, FBI assets across the country that
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So if you have authority at some of the highest levels in the FBI, it doesn't take much.
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The faction within the FBI and within our intelligence services that would coordinate with,
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with the most extreme liberal, uh, factions within a Democrat party that were desperate
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to keep Trump out of office and, and, you know, worked within the, the theater of operations,
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shall we say, that had been, that had been set by the COVID alleged medical emergencies nationwide
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There's no daylight between the, the compromised election cycle of November, 2020, and ultimately
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So you ask who planned this, this would be the combination of several, several of the most
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extreme liberal anti-Trump, anti-America first factions that, uh, that win positions of authority
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within our, our federal law enforcement organizations and the, the Democrat party across the country.
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Can, when you say that there were FBI assets in the crowd, in, in the building beforehand
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and, and certainly outside, what's the scale of this?
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No, um, based upon some very conservative, but like hard investigative effort, evaluation
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of, of the numbers from putting together eyewitnesses and, and videos and, uh, and affidavit
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statement and whistleblower statements and, uh, uh, court records that have been revealed
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through individual criminal cases where J6 defendants have been prosecuted and smart attorneys
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have forced, uh, admissions by the DOJ and the FBI, but those admissions have been sealed
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within the parameter of that criminal case by protective order by the judge. So they, I can't
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share them, but I've seen them. So real hard objective and conservative, um, estimates would,
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would put the number of FBI assets in the crowd outside and working inside at, at well over 200.
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Yeah. Before you came to Congress in the military as well. Um, that seemed, that's an extraordinary number.
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Well, no. When you think about the scope of the operation, if you were going to do this,
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But relative to, so like when, I don't know, Minneapolis burned down or when St. John's,
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the Episcopal Church across from the White House in Lafayette Square was set ablaze
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and all those secret service agents were injured. Were there 200 FBI assets in the crowd among
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Antifa then? I mean, I, I don't know how many undercover agents the FBI would have in a situation
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like that, but to, but, but, but, but J6 was the, was the, was the final act prior to arrest and
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prosecution of, of Americans that, that were identified as, as Trump supporters. I mean,
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their objective was to destroy the entire mega movement to, to forever stain the, uh, the patriotic
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fervor that was associated with, with the America first mega movement that had won in 2016. And we
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believe won again in 2020 and the, the establishment, uh, on both sides and both major parties were
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determined to, to smash that out of existence, not just by defeating Trump, but by destroying the, uh,
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the reputations of the movement itself by creating this narrative that it was totally false,
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uh, but, but, but was heavily pushed that the, that mega Republicans, America first Republicans
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are somehow a danger to our Republic and a domestic terror threat. There's a whole nother story about
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what the FBI has done to tagging Americans as a suspected domestic terrorist and, and following us
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as we travel across the country. But the, the bottom line is that, uh, 200 as a, I believe it's a
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conservative number. First of all, I think there would, there's many more, but the, a number that I'm
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comfortable going on record with is that we believe that there were, that there were easily 200 FBI
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to cover assets operating in the crowd, uh, outside the Capitol embedded into groups that entered the
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Capitol or provoked entry of the Capitol and working with FBI assets that would have included Metro Police
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and Capitol Police that were dressed as Trump supporters inside the Capitol because those were the guys that
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knew their way around the Capitol. So given the scope of the operation and the number of, of doors where,
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uh, entry was allowed or even encouraged, um, then the, and the number of people that were actually
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outside the Capitol and it entered, we believe 200 is a conservative number. Yes, sir.
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It's, it's shocking what you're saying. It confirms everyone's worst suspicions about this. It's
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clearly true. Um, did you come across any evidence that the, the DOD, the military, either Defense
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Intelligence Agency or National Guard or any part of the U.S. military played any role in this at all?
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No, I have not seen that. Um, I've, I've heard the echoes of that suspicion and I have, I have observed, um,
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circumstantial evidence that, that has been presented to me that I've, that I have reviewed, but to, but to me, um,
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it does not rise to the level that I would call, um, actionable from an investigative perspective.
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So there's some, there was some, some suspicion, but in, in, in law enforcement, the thresholds
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you're looking across is reasonable suspicion that would prompted a criminal investigation.
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And then the next threshold is probable cause, which you need for arrest. And then of course,
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in our system, finally, the last threshold is, is, uh, is, uh, is conviction and guilt beyond a
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reasonable doubt. So then I, I did review evidence Tucker regarding, uh, some suspicions of military
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involvement in some way, but, and I, and I've, I have reviewed some of that evidence that, that has
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been, that I've been able to get my hands on. And, uh, I do not think that the military was, uh, was
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involved, not at the level, most certainly not at the level of the FBI and, uh, over the course of all of
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2020. And then on J four, five and six, the FBI working in coordination with other law enforcement
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assets that, that they roped into the operation from Metro PD from DC and, and, uh, the Capitol police
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was sort of, uh, was sort of tricked into participating with the, with what the FBI had been staging for
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you know, 10 months. It just, I mean, if you take three steps back, this is not democracy.
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So the federal agencies serve under the oversight of the elected president and then
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under the oversight of the elected Congress, their elected people get to make the decisions.
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You're a Republican president, you now have a Republican Congress
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and neither one can get a straight answer from the FBI. No one has any control of the FBI. You're
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describing a government within a government. Well, in America,
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a question becomes reasonable. Men would, would, would ask when we face a crisis like this,
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who investigates to investigate, right? And the answer in America is, is Congress.
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So we, we have the responsibility to investigate through the appropriate committees, which would,
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we're certainly, we're certainly doing that now that we have Republican majority
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in control of the committees, but we don't have the power to arrest.
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We can, we can, we can give criminal referrals based upon our investigative efforts, but we have
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to have a DOJ that's receptive to the criminal referrals. So we, we've hit quite a, a brick wall,
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have we not? And constitutionally, we, we have the responsibility to investigate objectively and,
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and, and, and anyone that knows me knows that's exactly what I'm, I'm pursuing. I do not have,
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I'm not trying to create a crime to fit a narrative to blame on the FBI. I'm following the evidence
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and, and to my horror, it implicates our FBI at the highest level and a, and a, a conspiracy within
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our government at the highest level to create the, the, uh, to set the stage for a compromised election
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cycle in 2020. And then the, the, the actions that took place on J four, five and, and six, and then
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the, the criminal investigation, arrest and prosecution of Americans that they were able to entrap
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and document with the thousands of cameras that were operating that day and use that evidence that
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they knew they were setting up to investigate, arrest and prosecute the Americans that they had entrapped.
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So Congress can investigate these things and we, and we are, and we will reveal these horrific truths
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and we will have criminal referrals. But until you have a, a, a president running the executive branch
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that will clean house at a DOJ and FBI at the highest levels and put American patriots in place
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that will be, that will act upon the criminal referrals that, that Congress provides, then none
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of those guys are going to get arrested because they're not going to arrest themselves. And we don't
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I'm a little surprised and don't expect to be critical of your colleagues in the Republican conference,
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but I mean, they do control the house. Impeachment is a thing. Chris Ray is still the FBI director.
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I watched Republicans, some of whom I know cheer the murder of Ashley Babbitt, who was an unarmed woman,
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less than five, five, uh, by Michael Byrd. They were on Michael Byrd's side.
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And it, I have to say for a lot of Republican voters, and I count myself among them, very clarifying.
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If you're cheering Ashley Babbitt's murder, shooting women now, that's okay because she likes Trump.
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And their Republicans are like, yeah, I was happy. Like a lot of them thought that. What the hell?
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You know, I'm, there's a great responsibility when you, when you wear a badge in America.
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I mean, think about it, to be, to be the, to be the designated servant of your community that has,
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that has the, the authority to, uh, to deny the freedom of a fellow American in the land of the free.
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So, the, the escalation of, of force is, it must be appropriate in order to affect a lawful arrest.
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And, and, uh, a, a bad, a bad shoot is the worst thing that an officer can possibly be involved in, in his, in his career.
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It's, it's, you know, we, it's, it's, it's the thing of nightmares for, for good police officers.
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So, to take what was, what was, from a law enforcement perspective, was clearly a bad shoot, because there's some basic rules you just cannot violate.
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You have to attempt to affect an arrest before you can go to deadly force.
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There was, there was no attempt to arrest Ashley Babbitt.
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There were, there were officers on the other side of the window she was climbing through.
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There were officers on the interior side of the window she was climbing through.
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There was no indication that had been, they, this had been going on for an hour.
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And there was, there was no reports on the radio anywhere else of, of gunfights.
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So, there was no reason at that point to expect that Ashley Babbitt or anybody else in the, in the crowd was going to produce a firearm and start firing on police officers.
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So, that's part of the totality of circumstance that a police officer is responsible for knowing.
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We stay in constant communication with our radios.
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That officer that, that, that pulled that trigger would shot a, a American woman who was clearly in a, in like a physically compromised position, climbing through the broken glass of a, of a window is not, you know, it's not like she just stepped into the cage at MMA and she was ready to fight.
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She's climbing through a window draped in a flag.
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This police officer is on the other side of the window.
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This police officer is on the interior side of the window.
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If you want to arrest that woman, then by all means, pull her through the window, you know, put flex cuffs on her and throw her in the corner.
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You'd have grabbed that woman and pulled her through, flex cuffed her and threw her in the corner.
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Or handed her back to somebody that could pull her back, you know, from that front line right there.
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So, I understand that very well, I understand officers have to make split-second decisions.
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But you never, you never make a decision to use lethal force unless it's absolutely called for and required.
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If you're losing a fight, attempting to affect an arrest, then, and yeah, you know, if there's, if the officer's life is in danger, it is all by himself.
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But there's never should be a circumstance where you just pull the trigger and a woman climbing through a window that's clearly unarmed.
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There's no evidence of gunplay from the crowd that she's coming from.
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You got officers on both sides of where she is.
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If you got to arrest her, then by all means, arrest her, you know, to put flex cuffs on her and, and move on.
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So, you know, she can handle the next person trying to come through the window.
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And there's this, there's this insanity that has taken hold in the, in the, the minds and hearts of many otherwise reasonable American citizens where they, they, they hate Trump so much.
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Like they're, they're, they're so deeply embedded and they're, they've sold their souls to the establishment that when we had an America first president and, and he, and he'd like stopped the, uh, the military industrial complex forward momentum.
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And, and, and he, and he began restoring power to individual members of Congress and restoring individual rights and freedoms and sovereignty of the state.
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And he took away the actions of the cartels and, and, and, and brought this, uh, this real common sense approach to the executive branch and was leading our country in that beautiful direction.
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And, and, uh, this was interfering with the business model of the establishment.
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So many career politicians on both sides of the aisle and I, you know, I don't like those guys, man.
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Uh, and I, I, I serve my country in Congress, but, uh, I, I don't consider myself a politician by any means.
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But some of these guys, man, they pop out of the womb to be politicians.
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They're groomed their whole life, you know, to be a career politician.
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And those are the ones that had this instinctive cheer for something really bad happening to a Trump supporter.
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You know, their true color showed in that moment, and it was an ugly color.
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Yeah, that's it. We shouldn't be shooting women, number one. I couldn't agree more.
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So where does this go from here? You have this corpus of information. It sounds like it's definitive.
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When does the public see the detail, and what's the process after that?
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It's a good question. So evidence from criminal investigations by nature is rather secretive.
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But there is a tremendous compilation of data that I think should be made completely available to the public.
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And that's the digital files from J-4, 5, and 6.
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This is where Speaker Mike Johnson can be a champion that will be remembered throughout history as the Speaker of the House
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that fully released, unredacted digital files from J-4, 5, and 6 completely to the American people.
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And within that data is full truth, and the American people is the only staff large enough to, you know,
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frame by frame go through 80,000 hours of digital evidence.
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Nobody has a staff big enough to do that, but we can crowdsource it to the American people.
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So you ask, when will this evidence be released?
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I've been encouraging Speaker Johnson, as I did Speaker McCarthy, to, by God, man,
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But Mike is quite a skilled constitutionalist attorney himself, and he's a very measured, patient, faithful man.
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So I extend trust to Speaker Johnson when he says that it's his intention to fully release the, called the J-6 tapes,
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but really it's digital evidence is more than, it's more than just video evidence.
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There's, you know, radio transcripts, the whole thing.
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I believe Speaker Johnson knows that this is a significant duty that he must,
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It's a moment in history where, where, you know,
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I believe our Lord and Savior has placed him in that, in that position of service to the country,
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and he has a responsibility to, to fully release that data.
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And then the American people will see for themselves what some of us have already learned to our horror to be true.