The Tucker Carlson Show - Rep. Curt Weldon： It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11

00:00:00.000 We recorded the interview you're about to watch five days ago, and I've been thinking about it

00:00:04.620 ever since. It's with a former congressman from Pennsylvania called Kurt Weldon. Kurt Weldon was

00:00:09.580 a very significant figure in Washington 20 years ago. He was not some obscure backbencher. He was

00:00:14.220 one of the most powerful Republicans in the Congress about to take over the Armed Services

00:00:17.860 Committee until he asked questions about the official story on 9-11, at which point the Bush

00:00:25.720 administration sent the FBI to his daughter's house, destroyed her life, never charged her

00:00:29.640 with a crime, and effectively got Kurt Weldon bounced out of Congress. I haven't talked to him

00:00:34.840 in 20 years. I didn't know exactly what to expect, but this conversation, the one you're about to see,

00:00:39.720 raises far more questions than I ever anticipated. This is not a crazy person. These are not crazy

00:00:45.260 questions. He makes no claims he doesn't have personal firsthand evidence of. When it ended,

00:00:52.180 I asked him how many other officials who were in and around Washington during 9-11 have similar

00:00:58.240 questions. And he said to me, as far as I know, all of them. And he's still in touch with a lot

00:01:03.940 of those people. After this conversation, which again we've been thinking about ever since, I thought

00:01:08.160 it might be time to look a little more deeply into the 9-11 commission report. Was it accurate?

00:01:15.220 9-11 changed the United States forever. Those of us who remember it, who lived through it, can tell you

00:01:20.200 this was a different country afterward, completely different and not a better country.

00:01:23.920 And so there is no more significant historical event in the lifetimes of any living American than

00:01:30.700 9-11. And the fact that there are still outstanding questions about what exactly happened and why

00:01:35.840 is troubling. Up until this point, most of the people who've addressed these questions are either

00:01:41.160 crazy or seem slightly crazy. Now is the time for a sober look, not a wild-eyed speculative look,

00:01:50.020 but an honest look and honest conversations with people who participated in the response to that

00:01:55.340 day, government officials. And so we're going to do that. We are planning right now a multi-part

00:02:00.860 documentary series on 9-11. And we hope to bring that to you as soon as we possibly can.

00:02:05.820 And now, former Congressman Kurt Weldon.

00:02:08.300 Congressman, thank you so much for doing this. I haven't seen you in 20 years.

00:02:11.260 One of the last times I thought about you was right around 2006. And you had been a frequent

00:02:18.180 guest on the show that I was hosting then. And I read that the FBI had raided your daughter's

00:02:22.520 house. And I thought, man, I was like Kurt Weldon. I guess he's corrupt. And then I never heard

00:02:27.880 anything about it. And then you lost that election to a guy who I always thought was kind of repulsive.

00:02:33.260 And then probably 15 years passed. And I thought to myself, wait a second, Kurt Weldon was the

00:02:38.460 only Republican I'm aware of who criticized the U.S. response, the intel agency's response to 9-11,

00:02:46.600 who wrote a book blaming elements of the U.S. government for allowing 9-11 to happen and then

00:02:51.420 covering it up. And then right on the cusp of becoming, tell me if I'm getting this wrong,

00:02:56.700 chairman of the Armed Services Committee, the FBI raids your daughter's house and you lose an election

00:03:01.540 in which your opponent has funding from all over the United States. No one's ever heard of this guy.

00:03:05.200 All of a sudden, he's got more money and you're out of Congress. And I began to think maybe this was

00:03:11.040 a setup. So I thought I would ask you.

00:03:13.240 Well, it definitely was. And you're always one of my heroes. I enjoyed your show with Paul Begala

00:03:18.380 and when I did Henry Combs and all the others and enjoyed. And I was always, I took my work very

00:03:25.700 seriously. I'm a teacher by profession, youngest of nine kids, firefighter as a volunteer all my life.

00:03:31.560 And that's my devotion. Even to this day, I don't get any money for it, but it's what I'm committed

00:03:35.280 to and why I care about 9-11 so much. I was at 9-11. I was not 9-11. I was at Trade Center in 93

00:03:43.220 at the invitation of Fire Commissioner Howard Safer to go up there and learn about what had

00:03:48.320 occurred the first time they attacked us. And they introduced me to a young fire officer,

00:03:52.700 former Marine, five kids named Ray Downey. He became one of my best friends. Ray told me what he

00:03:58.260 thought we should do. I took his advice seriously and wrote the legislation to create the Gilmore

00:04:03.080 Commission. The Gilmore Commission was chaired by Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, a man of integrity.

00:04:08.660 I had him on a podcast last September for 20 minutes. And the Gilmore Commission's recommendations

00:04:14.120 were largely what the 9-11 Commission took credit for after the fact. One of those recommendations was

00:04:20.040 to have a fusion center of intelligence be put together. At the time, I was doing this on behalf

00:04:26.260 of the firefighters to deal with disasters. I was in the position to oversee the funding

00:04:31.480 as the chairman of all military research and technology funding, about $180 billion. The

00:04:37.760 services were building information-dominant centers. The Army's was at Fort Belvoir, and I would get

00:04:42.980 down there regularly and meet with them, and we became good friends. I didn't bother getting ready

00:04:48.740 into the program. I didn't need to, but I knew what they were using with new software like Starlight

00:04:53.660 and Spires and Fusion and data mining and analysis and link analysis. This is going to be important

00:04:59.560 to prevent what happened in 93. Yes. So I supported that. Which was the first bombing of the World 1.00

00:05:03.820 Trade Center. First bombing. Right. And as a result, I went to John Hamry, Deputy Secretary of Defense

00:05:09.180 under Clinton, and I said, John, you have to go see what they're doing down there. He did.

00:05:13.420 He called me, said, you're right, Mr. Chairman. And by the way, John Hamry had endorsed me

00:05:17.120 for chairman of the committee in 2000, as did Rumsfeld. You know, this is before 9-11,

00:05:24.440 obviously. Both endorsed me publicly. I had their letters. And he said, but you've got to convince

00:05:29.120 the CIA and the FBI to let us use their raw data, because there are 33 classified systems,

00:05:34.960 and if they don't allow us to use their data, this won't succeed. On November the 4th of 1999,

00:05:40.960 in my office in the Rayburn building, I had John Hamry, Deputy Secretary of Defense.

00:05:45.480 I had the Deputy Director of the FBI, and I had their names, and the Deputy Director of the CIA.

00:05:50.320 And we talked about the NOAA, National Operation Analysis Hub, Policymaker, and Warfighters Tool

00:05:56.040 to Deal with Emerging Transnational Terrorist Threats, the Fusion Center. Hamry said, we need this.

00:06:01.800 I'll manage it. I said, I'll get it funded. The FBI said, great, we're all in. And the CIA said,

00:06:06.680 we don't want it. We're not supporting it. We're doing something called CI-21 on our own.

00:06:12.060 I spent two years traveling around the country, giving speeches at intelligence forums,

00:06:17.640 calling for a Fusion Center. I put language in two successive defense bills, calling for a Fusion 0.95

00:06:23.300 Center. 9-11 happens. I get frantic calls from four of those professional staffers at the Able Danger

00:06:31.380 team, which I later learned was the name of this group at Fort Belvoir. We have to see you right away,

00:06:36.560 Mr. Chairman. Scott Philpott, Annapolis grad, Navy career officer, commander of four ships,

00:06:44.360 pleading with me to meet. Tony Schaefer, Lieutenant Colonel, Bronze Star recipient,

00:06:48.920 spy for the military. Eileen Pricer, Air Force career intelligence officer, expert on computers,

00:06:57.020 and Eric Clinesmith. I met with each of them privately. They all told me the same story,

00:07:01.720 and they rolled out the charts that I just showed you. Those charts I will make public now because

00:07:07.180 they're not classified. I showed them when I testified before the Senate hearing. We identified

00:07:12.540 every cell of al-Qaeda in the world the year before 9-11. We identified the New York cell a year before

00:07:19.320 9-11. We knew there was going to be a problem. The Able Danger team tried to go to the FBI and Justice

00:07:27.080 Department three times. We have the names. All three times they were stopped. We have the names

00:07:32.520 of the person in the FBI that was told to deny the meetings. They were not allowed to transfer the

00:07:37.860 information. That information, when I came out with my book, Louis Free, former FBI director, wrote in

00:07:44.060 an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal and said on Good Morning America, could have prevented 9-11 from

00:07:49.080 happening? That's not me saying that. That's Louis Free. And General Keith Lambert, our general in

00:07:57.020 charge of special operations on horseback, was asked in this award-winning book, became a movie,

00:08:02.840 on page 27. General, what were your thoughts when 9-11 happened? And he said, within seconds,

00:08:08.320 I knew who had done the attack, and I knew it involved Mohammed Atta. Thirdly, after this all broke, 0.76

00:08:15.380 and I came out with my book criticizing the agency and started really going crazy protecting these

00:08:20.220 brave heroes that were being abused by defense intelligence, the inspector general for the

00:08:25.740 Pentagon files a whistleblower paper. I have a copy of it. I'll give it to you. His name is John Crane.

00:08:31.820 He asked for protection because his bosses in DIA refused to allow him to become a whistleblower when

00:08:38.960 he told them that he was told to lie to the Congress. He was told to misinform the Congress. I have that in

00:08:44.520 writing, Tucker. The 9-11 commission is a cover-up, 1,000% cover-up. Zelikow was the lead of the

00:08:52.440 cover-up. Philip Zelikow was the chairman. Philip Zelikow. He was handpicked by Condoleezza Rice.

00:08:57.520 When Tony Schaefer met Zelikow over in Afghanistan, because Zelikow took a team through to see if there

00:09:05.460 were soldiers who had maybe encountered some information about 9-11 in advance, Tony Schaefer had

00:09:10.880 been back deployed in Afghanistan at the time. So he told his commanding officer, I should talk to

00:09:15.840 them because I was a part of a special team. He met with Zelikow. They exchanged business cards and

00:09:20.980 Kabul. And Zelikow said to him, Lieutenant Colonel, you've got to see me as soon as you get back to

00:09:27.740 America. It's very important. When Tony went back to the States, they had shut down his office,

00:09:33.280 locked his office, secured all his files. And they then worked to destroy his personal reputation.

00:09:40.700 They tried to destroy his career. I went to the floor and did a one-hour special order,

00:09:46.300 calling it a scandal bigger than Watergate. You can watch the footage. It's available online.

00:09:51.340 I said, this is outrageous that the Defense Intelligence Agency is screwing a Lieutenant Colonel

00:09:55.820 because he's telling the truth about what he was told to talk about when he came back from

00:10:00.060 Afghanistan. Tony Schaefer then went to work in the reserves because he had been basically harassed

00:10:08.340 by the regular army because of what Zelikow did. So I just want to back up a couple steps. So you're

00:10:14.760 saying what others have said before, which is that elements of the U.S. government worked really,

00:10:20.320 really hard to hide the fact that they could have prevented 9-11, that they had all the relevant

00:10:26.440 information and for whatever reason ignored it. But motive really matters here. Do you believe

00:10:32.200 that there were people in the U.S. government who made a bunch of mistakes or were too territorial and

00:10:38.180 didn't share information with other agencies, therefore 9-11 happened, which is basically the

00:10:41.320 conclusion of the 9-11 report, I think? Or do you believe that there were people in the U.S.

00:10:45.520 government who knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen on purpose?

00:10:48.580 Well, first of all, the 9-11 report has no credibility. I don't believe anything that is

00:10:53.800 in that. That's a bunch of garbage. It's a lot of paper that has no substance. And I tend not to 1.00

00:11:00.440 want to speculate on things that I can't prove 100% myself or I'm not willing to take a polygraph.

00:11:05.820 What I can tell you unequivocally is there was a cover-up. And before I answer your question,

00:11:10.480 I would state one more fact. Tony Schaefer got approval from his commanding general after this whole

00:11:15.360 thing happened throughout his memoirs. His memoirs are called Dark Heart. So he wrote the

00:11:20.460 book. He had a publisher. The publisher, he went to his commanding general to review the book as his

00:11:25.420 protocol. His commanding general said, fine, Tony. There's nothing there. That's a problem.

00:11:29.660 Publish it. Tony publishes the book. Our deep state finds out he's publishing the book.

00:11:35.340 A cease and desist order is issued against the publisher. Stop publishing the book. It's too late.

00:11:40.500 Our government, our government buys all 10,000 copies of the first edition of Dark Heart with

00:11:49.460 taxpayer money and they destroy them. So I asked Tony on a show last September, as I've done many

00:11:56.640 times, Tony, you have the original version of the book, right? Yes. Here it is, Congressman.

00:12:01.660 You have the redacted version, right? Yes, here it is. What did they want out of your book that was

00:12:06.680 so sensitive? What secret information were you giving, Tony? What classified information did

00:12:12.500 your boss not see? He said, Congressman, the only thing they wanted out of my book was the fact that

00:12:18.400 I named Zelikow and that I had briefed him in advance. That, Tucker, is treason. That means our

00:12:26.020 agencies, our agencies use their position, not for something involving our national security,

00:12:32.860 but for involving a cover-up of a person's identity who was publicly approved by the Congress of the

00:12:39.780 United States, appointed by the security advisor to President Bush. It's a massive cover-up.

00:12:47.380 At what point following 9-11, since I just want to restate you served in Congress for about 20 years,

00:12:53.480 20 years, I think. Yep. And you really were at the heart of these questions, national security

00:12:59.060 questions in the Congress. You were about to become chairman of Farm Services. So you're at the top

00:13:05.000 of the pyramid for receiving relevant intelligence. At what point, you weren't just some random guy at

00:13:11.800 all. At what point after 9-11, the attacks of that day, did you realize there's something bad going on

00:13:18.940 here? Well, it started before 9-11 when I realized that the intelligence I was getting as the vice

00:13:24.800 chairman of the committee was not really solid intelligence. I would get better information

00:13:31.160 from Bill Gertz, a reporter that you know, coming to me with anonymous sources leaking to him

00:13:36.700 about intel matters. And I would then go to the CIA and say, why am I getting this information from a

00:13:42.120 reporter that I know you're leaking from classified sources that I'm not getting as a member of Congress

00:13:47.640 who's the vice chairman of the defense committee? Are you playing games with me? And they wouldn't answer

00:13:52.440 that. And that's what they do. They play games by manipulating the media to put out a narrative.

00:13:58.540 And then we have to deal with that narrative. So Tucker, what I did, there's a group in Washington

00:14:02.860 that was known as the cockroaches. They're a group of people that work for the intelligence agencies

00:14:07.420 that get along socially. And I knew them all. They trusted me. I formed a loose network of about

00:14:13.160 15 or 20. We met for breakfast every week in the members dining room in the Capitol. And they would

00:14:18.480 feed me raw data. They would feed me raw data. Then I would go to the classified briefings using

00:14:23.700 that raw data. And I would ask questions of the CIA in front of the entire committee. And in many

00:14:29.000 cases, I was the acting chairman because the chairman wasn't there. So here I am, the acting

00:14:33.740 chairman of the entire committee of armed services that fully embarrassed the intelligence agencies.

00:14:39.520 And I'll get into that when we talk about the 9-11 information and post 9-11 where they put

00:14:44.560 Bin Laden. The point is that the agency plays games with Congress. The Congress thinks it's getting

00:14:50.660 good information and it's not. The agency wants members fighting with each other over stupid 1.00

00:14:55.420 things so they can do what they want. And it's not all. There are good people in the agency that I 0.99

00:15:00.560 worked with and I would go to war over. But there are some scumbags. I know those scumbags. At the 1.00

00:15:06.820 appropriate time, I'll name those scumbags who have made millions and millions of dollars and are 0.99

00:15:11.940 making millions and millions of dollars today. They're making it in Ukraine. They're making it 0.99

00:15:16.340 around the world because of context they established. And all that ties back to their

00:15:22.120 positions that they got, supposedly working intelligence for the U.S. That's not what this

00:15:27.020 country is all about. And you ask about my daughter. So give us the timeline. So you, 9-11 happens,

00:15:34.700 you keep ascending in Congress and you really, and I remember this well because I interviewed you

00:15:38.500 on these topics at the time, 20 years ago when your book came out. And you start saying,

00:15:44.220 wait a second, the U.S. government really blew this. There are people who knew this was happening,

00:15:48.380 was going to happen, and for whatever reason, didn't stop it. And you're really the only Republican

00:15:53.320 who's saying this. And then 2006, you're up for re-election. It's an even year, of course.

00:15:58.920 And you're from your district in Pennsylvania after 20 years. And out of nowhere, the FBI raids your

00:16:05.380 daughter's house. And we're all told it's because she's corrupt, you're corrupt, et cetera, et cetera. 0.99

00:16:10.800 And then you lose and we kind of lose track of you. And Washington goes on as it does. And

00:16:15.820 no one talks about 9-11 again. I think that's fair to say. I mean, I was there. I remember when

00:16:20.540 all this happened, though. I didn't put it together in my head at all until about a year ago. I was

00:16:24.700 thinking about this in the shower. Whatever happened to Kurt Weldon and his daughter? So I go on

00:16:28.680 the internet. I'm like, is Kurt Weldon's daughter in prison? Because she's so corrupt.

00:16:31.880 Never talked to. So what happened? So here's what happened. In 1999 and 2000, they wanted me to run 0.98

00:16:39.180 for chairman of the committee and jump over four or five members. Which committee? The Armed Services

00:16:43.180 Committee. But in Congress, the protocol is you wait. Of course. So I have letters, which I can show

00:16:48.200 you, Tucker, from Donald Rumsfeld endorsing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee in

00:16:54.680 2000. Yes. I have a letter from Deputy Secretary of Defense John Henry endorsing me to become chairman of

00:17:01.440 the committee in 2000. Dozens and dozens of letters. Then 9-11 happens. I felt personally

00:17:07.000 responsible because I knew that we could have prevented it by the information that the Able 1.00

00:17:13.440 Danger Team, established by General Hugh Shelton, had gathered and tried to transfer three times and

00:17:19.700 were blocked. So I said, uh-uh. I owe this to Ray Downey. I'm wearing his jacket today. I owe this to

00:17:26.920 the firefighters in New York and around the country to get to the truth. If it's the last thing I do.

00:17:31.480 And I owe it to all those soldiers that we're now sending overseas. That's right. So what I did,

00:17:36.700 Tucker, I supported George Bush when he said we're going to send our troops over to Afghanistan. He made 0.99

00:17:42.680 those heroic comments about we're going to get them. I took that as a patriotic American said, yes,

00:17:47.760 we're going to get them. But I was worried about what the Afghans might do as they did the Russian 1.00

00:17:52.700 troops when they were in Afghanistan. So Tucker, with Al Santoli, whom you know, and two other

00:17:58.860 members of Congress, I privately, without the knowledge of our government or the CIA, I went to

00:18:04.180 Paris. We met with King Zahir Shah, the king of Afghanistan who was living in exile with his family

00:18:11.840 in Paris. We met with him to convince him to go back to Kabul to convene a lawyer Georgia of all the

00:18:18.540 tribes to convince them to accept the American troops before they went in. So it wouldn't be

00:18:24.680 like they did with Russia. King Zahir Shah agreed to that. I'll give you the photographs, Tucker.

00:18:31.020 And I had two members of Congress and Al Santoli with me, decorated Vietnam veteran. Zahir Shah went

00:18:37.200 back. I did all I could to protect our American troops, not the CIA, our troops. Then I find out

00:18:43.360 my intel team, those 20 people that were feeding me raw data, give me data within months after 9-11

00:18:51.740 that Bin Laden's been sighted in a town called Ladiz. I have no idea where Ladiz is. So I grew up

00:18:59.300 Pennsylvania Avenue to a bookstore and buy a map. I just gave you the map here today, Tucker. You can

00:19:03.800 show it. And I found Ladiz. It's not in Afghanistan. It's not in Pakistan. It's in Iran in an area called

00:19:13.020 Balochistan. So I go to the next classified briefing for the full committee. Now I'm the

00:19:18.300 vice chairman of the full committee. There are 60 members. I'm the acting chairman at this time.

00:19:23.000 So I said to the CIA, I have information of Bin Laden's in Ladiz. This is their response to me.

00:19:30.480 Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them. I was in shock.

00:19:37.460 Look, I was in shock. We're sending kids to die in Afghanistan and we can't confirm or deny whether 0.95

00:19:44.120 or not Bin Laden's in Ladiz. Three months go by. I'm still supporting the president.

00:19:49.340 My intel team comes back to me and say, Kurt, he's being treated at a military hospital outside of

00:19:55.640 Tehran. I go back to the classified briefing and I ask the question in front of the full committee.

00:20:01.200 And the answer from the CIA is, Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or

00:20:07.540 deny that Bin Laden is being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran while we're sending

00:20:12.660 kids to die in Afghanistan. I said, this is outrageous. And then Tucker, I get a call from Jack

00:20:21.180 Murtha, the most respected Democrat in the House, former Marine who I work with closely. And he says to

00:20:28.780 me, I want you to meet with Ron Klink, Democrat from Pittsburgh. And Ron Klink's still alive.

00:20:32.900 He'll verify this, Tucker. Jack's dead, but Ron's alive. He said, Jack has a person who used to work

00:20:39.120 for the agency that has information about Iran. And you investigate this kind of stuff, Kurt,

00:20:43.920 will you meet with him? I said, sure. Ron Klink comes to my office and brings this very tall man

00:20:49.740 who's a former person from the Swedish area, but he's a U.S. citizen. And I said, how can I help you?

00:20:57.420 You know, Congressman Murtha asked me to help. Ron Klink wants me to help. He said, Congressman,

00:21:01.280 I want you to help me get into Iran. I said, why do you want to go to Iran?

00:21:06.900 He said, that's where Bin Laden is. I said, why would you tell me that Bin Laden's in Iran?

00:21:12.680 He said, I was a knock for the agency. Do you know what a knock is?

00:21:15.080 Yeah, non-official cover.

00:21:16.160 That's right. He said, I was a knock for the agency and I worked that area. And my friends are

00:21:21.700 seeing Bin Laden in Iran. If you help me get to Tehran, I'll leave my identity there. I'll get a piece of 0.99

00:21:27.340 him dead or alive and I'll bring it back. At the time, there was a $25 million reward for Bin Laden. 1.00

00:21:34.060 I said, I can't help you right now because I'm in a battle over this follow-up to 9-11.

00:21:39.000 Then I get another call, Tucker, from the Interior Department, totally separate.

00:21:45.140 They want to bring in their top bird man, their bird expert. I didn't think that was unusual because

00:21:51.260 I was a Republican on the Migratory Bird Commission. The Migratory Bird Commission.

00:21:55.440 I didn't know there was a Migratory Bird Commission.

00:21:56.480 It oversees all the flyways for all the refuges up and down the coast. I was a Republican.

00:22:01.600 Duck hunters like me, thank you, by the way.

00:22:03.520 John Dingell was a Democrat.

00:22:05.040 Of course. I've duck hunted with him, yeah.

00:22:06.460 There were two senators and three cabinet members. So I figured they want to talk about

00:22:10.440 birds. I'm on the Bird Commission. I'll meet with them. So this Interior Department bird expert

00:22:15.420 brings in a U.S. citizen from Maine who's a Sikh, but he's a U.S. citizen, very wealthy family. 0.60

00:22:21.680 And he's got two Falcons on his shoulders, million-dollar birds with the blinders on,

00:22:25.660 beautiful, into my office. I said, good boy, they're gorgeous. How can I help you? He said,

00:22:30.440 well, Congressman, I've devoted my life to Falcons. He said, I helped write the UN protection

00:22:35.840 treaties on falconry. He said, I trained all the children of the royal families in the sport of

00:22:41.320 falconry. Yes. Because that's their sport. He said, they all know me. They all trust

00:22:45.380 me. In the Arab world. It's huge. Yes. Yes. He said, so, and I want to help the country,

00:22:49.580 and there's a reward for bin Laden. I said, yeah, I know that. He said, I want you to help me go to 0.96

00:22:54.880 Iran. I said, why do you want to go to Iran? Now, he knows nothing about anything else I'm doing.

00:23:01.120 My falconers are seeing bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. You help me go to Iran. They'll accept me 0.93

00:23:07.440 there because they know me. I'll tag his birds, and I'll take the U.S. to exactly where he is.

00:23:12.480 That's four, four full source identities that bin Laden was exactly where my intel people said he was.

00:23:23.440 Over the course of time, Tucker, I developed 10 silver bullets. They wanted to do a movie about

00:23:30.100 me after they took me out, and I'll get to when they took me out. I got a call from Michael Scheuer.

00:23:35.240 Michael was career CIA. After I was taken out of office, he called my home. They said,

00:23:40.380 Congressman, do you remember me? I said, vaguely, Michael. He said, well, I was the chairman of the

00:23:43.660 bin Laden task force in the CIA, and these people that have met with you have shown me documents I

00:23:49.320 never saw when I was working in the agency, and I was the bin Laden task force director.

00:23:53.920 He said, we want you to work with us. We want you to be involved in a movie we're doing. I said,

00:23:57.240 Michael, after what they did to my family, I can't do it right now. I hung up the phone. I get a call

00:24:02.720 from General McInerney about three months later, Tom McInerney. He said, Congressman, you remember me?

00:24:08.060 I said, yes, General, I remember you. He said, I'd like you to work with us, Congressman. I'm working

00:24:12.300 with Michael Scheuer and the Falconer, and we want you to be involved. I said, I'm not getting involved

00:24:16.820 after what they did to my family. They all had the same story, Tucker. So what was happening in 2006?

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00:27:19.540 But can I just ask you to pause for one second? So you had a lot of evidence, it sounds like.

00:27:24.780 Absolute evidence.

00:27:25.260 That bin Laden was not in Afghanistan or Pakistan. He was supposedly ultimately killed. Not in Iraq. He

00:27:33.520 was in Iran. But Iran was also in the crosshairs of the Bush administration. It was part of the so-called

00:27:39.960 axis of evil at the time. People were talking about invading Iran then. Why would the Bush

00:27:45.540 administration hide the fact that... It wasn't the Bush administration.

00:27:48.680 Let me explain to you. This is what Trump needs to understand. It started under Clinton when the

00:27:59.340 Clinton administration, Bill and Hillary Clinton, who I have no respect for, were allowed themselves

00:28:04.380 to be used so they could make money. Tens and tens of millions of dollars. Hundreds of millions of

00:28:09.560 dollars. Because they allowed people, unscrupulous people, to control the agenda in Russia and around

00:28:16.320 the world. And you've been going after some of this involving Russia. I can give you dozens of

00:28:23.020 hard examples. I believe it. We've talked about this off camera, but I just want to get to

00:28:26.740 specifically... Continued? Who was hiding the fact that bin Laden was in Iran and why? Okay. It

00:28:32.920 continued under Bush Jr. Yep. And as I said, up until 2000, they wanted me to be chairman. All of a sudden,

00:28:41.440 when I started questioning 9-11, all of a sudden, the Bush people said, whoa.

00:28:46.560 Yeah, I bet.

00:28:47.400 John Sununu, after I was out of office, who I had a lot of respect for, was Bush's chief.

00:28:52.200 Smart man. Yeah, I know.

00:28:53.140 I was in his office and he said this to me. He said, you know, Congressman, you were a great

00:28:57.060 member. Everyone respected you, but you made one fundamental mistake. I said, what was that,

00:29:02.340 John? He said, when you come to the city, you're either on one rail or the other rail. And you went down

00:29:07.700 the middle and took on both rails. I said, well, John, I didn't pledge allegiance to the Republican

00:29:13.120 Party. I pledged allegiance to the Constitution. You guys were ecstatic when I took on the Clintons,

00:29:18.420 when I took on Sandy Berger, when I took on the scumbags and what they did with China and Russia. You 0.98

00:29:23.340 were ecstatic. But then when I saw things happening at 9-11, all of us, he said, well, that's why you're

00:29:28.180 not here. I said, you know what, John? So be it. It's not the end of my life. And one day I'll tell

00:29:34.460 the story, John. One day I'll tell the story because that's what America needs to hear.

00:29:39.520 They need members of Congress who don't become duped by scumbags in the intelligence agency 0.98

00:29:44.720 making money for themselves. And you know what, Tucker? I challenge them. I'll name them and I'll 0.98

00:29:49.480 give their dollar amounts of where they're making money today in the countries that we're at war with.

00:29:55.280 They care about themselves and their power. They don't care about the lives of the kids that we

00:30:00.380 send to war. I saw it in Libya. I saw it in North Korea. I led delegations that were bipartisan to

00:30:06.040 all of those places. They took it out on my daughter. So I just want to get one more time

00:30:12.000 to the question of why, who was hiding the fact that bin Laden was actually in Iran?

00:30:17.840 Our intelligence agencies. They have plausible deniability. In the end, I have 10 silver bullets,

00:30:23.180 including two royal family members from two different royal families, from two different countries,

00:30:27.280 including in the end, the person that was in the room, who was a knock for our government for 50

00:30:34.140 years. He's not from the U.S. He's become a friend of mine. He's been to my home. We've met

00:30:40.220 dozens of times. And on one of my trips to the Middle East, he said to me, you know, he calls you

00:30:44.920 my dear, you were right. I said, about what? He said, about a lot of things. But you're right about

00:30:49.060 bin Laden. I said, what do you mean? He said, well, he was placed in Iran, in Balochistan. He said,

00:30:56.100 I said, well, he said, I said, you know, he said, yes, I know that. He said, I was in the room

00:31:01.660 when the deal was cut. So the U.S. has plausible deniability. They weren't in the room.

00:31:08.260 Was the point to get to Iraq?

00:31:10.400 The point was to, the point was to manipulate, to get our troops committed, to go over to fight

00:31:18.520 the battles in Afghanistan, Iraq, and that whole region of the world.

00:31:23.080 And they had to have the justification to do that.

00:31:26.080 I believe it.

00:31:26.580 But in the end, when five years ago, and even Trump doesn't know this, I'm sure,

00:31:33.260 we killed someone that Trump took great credit for, and I applaud him for it. And he said,

00:31:38.040 we killed this guy. 0.91

00:31:39.280 Soleimani. 0.99

00:31:39.720 That's right. Soleimani was the guy the deal was cut with. The deal was not cut with the

00:31:44.900 Iranian government. And we need to understand that. And this is the heart of what we have

00:31:48.840 to get to. The Iranian people are not our enemy. I wrote this book in 2005, Countdown to Terror.

00:31:57.260 It's all about Iran. It says that the people of Iran are not our enemy. And this book was

00:32:03.300 endorsed by Jim Woolsey with a three-page letter.

00:32:05.980 Former CIA director.

00:32:06.660 Former CIA director. This book was endorsed by Al Caravelli, Jack Caravelli, Gore's CIA advisor.

00:32:11.880 They both endorsed my book. The book was so popular that the people of Iran published it in

00:32:17.660 Farsi. There it is. And they published the book. Without my approval, they published my book. It

00:32:23.600 became a bestseller in Iran because it said, you're not the enemy of the American people.

00:32:27.340 Here's what happened, Tucker. When the Shah was in power, think back, we were best friends with 0.97

00:32:32.760 Iran. Of course. 0.91

00:32:33.840 Our intelligence people trained the Iranian intelligence people. We trained them. They're our

00:32:38.840 people. When the radical Ayatollahs and the Mullahs took over Iran, they did not bring a new

00:32:44.460 intelligence service. They did not change the agency. The IRG stayed the same. The deal to place

00:32:51.820 Bin Laden in Iran wasn't cut with the Iranian government. It was cut with Soleimani. And that's

00:32:57.240 why we killed him. Our intelligence agency has tentacles around the world and they're not answering

00:33:03.820 to anybody. And that's the problem right now. That's the problem Trump has. Yeah, he can

00:33:08.820 cut off the security clearance of 51. But that network extends far and wide around the world

00:33:14.660 and they can play all the games they want in Ukraine, in other countries. And until we go

00:33:19.700 after that, this is not going to stop.

00:33:22.240 That's consistent, all consistent with what I've seen.

00:33:24.700 And I would say, I don't think you're, that's not a crazy statement.

00:33:27.720 That's the challenge that Trump has right now. I still think he's at risk. Last May, I went on a TV

00:33:31.780 show locally in the Philadelphia area. And I said, my greatest challenge is they're going to try to

00:33:35.300 take Trump out. A month later, they did the attack. You know, it goes back to when Trump first,

00:33:41.640 when I kept quiet because I couldn't trust any of the administrations after I left,

00:33:45.780 including the Bush administration, because Bush wasn't in control. And I can give you example

00:33:49.640 after example of Bush not being in control. I knew who was in control. When Trump was going in,

00:33:54.460 I met with Rudy Giuliani. I had two private dinners with him up in New York. I had not known Rudy that

00:34:00.080 well. I said, Rudy, this is what's going to happen. The deep state's going to undermine Trump.

00:34:04.700 They don't want him. They will undermine him by removing his ability to understand how they

00:34:08.980 operate. Before he took office, they took out General Mike Flynn. When they took out Flynn,

00:34:15.400 Trump was like a baby in the woods. And for four years, they used the Congress and they used their

00:34:21.460 connections to derail this country. That's the problem that occurred in the first Trump four years.

00:34:26.920 This time I'm trying to get Trump to realize he's got a great start, but the people around him don't

00:34:33.400 know what they don't know. They don't have that historical understanding of what this is just

00:34:38.320 didn't happen with Trump. I mean, it took me out in 2006. So let's get to that. They took you out in

00:34:43.580 2006. And that's kind of where this conversation began. I remember that very well. And it was like,

00:34:49.760 there are pictures on TV. I worked on at CNN. There were pictures of, you know, FBI and their blue

00:34:54.920 jackets outside your daughter's house. And it's like, Kurt Weldon corruption scandal.

00:34:59.900 And then you lost to Sestak. Is that Sestak, who was like a former general and just like a true-

00:35:05.360 He got demoted. He was a three-star demoted to a two-star. His wife worked on the Clinton Security

00:35:10.060 Council. She had intelligence ties. She still does. Her name was, I think, Clark. And so he was on the

00:35:17.160 NSC. But he was like the ultimate deep stater. He didn't live in the district. He doesn't live

00:35:21.520 there now. Right. He came into the district to run. He had been in a district. And then after he

00:35:25.560 lost, he went back down to Virginia. And all of a sudden, I mean, I remember all this really well

00:35:29.180 thinking like, well, here's what happened. And then he got, you know, massive funding from around

00:35:33.240 the country. You know who ran his campaign? His campaign was managed by the staff director of

00:35:39.200 Sandy Berger's company. Sandy Berger sent his woman to run the Sestak campaign.

00:35:44.780 Ah. And I did a one-hour floor speech about Sandy Berger calling him a traitor. Yeah. And

00:35:50.260 we can talk about- I'd like to. I'm just getting far afield once again. My apologies for that. But

00:35:55.900 okay, so to your daughter and the FBI raid, did you have warning? Like what- No advance-

00:36:00.120 Tell us what happened. No advance warning. We, you know, we would have won the election. The polls

00:36:04.880 were in October. We're showing that we were up by about six or eight points. All my elections

00:36:08.780 have been landslides because I'm a moderate Republican. And this one, I would have become chairman

00:36:13.000 of the committee, no doubts about that. You know, for some reason, the Sestak campaign was maxed out

00:36:19.720 every week in a TV buy, you know, and three weeks before my election, I get a call on a Monday morning

00:36:25.760 that agents had appeared at my daughter's home at 7 a.m. And I didn't know what's that all about.

00:36:32.220 And so I immediately said, cancel the TV ads. My daughter's more important than some TV ads for a 1.00

00:36:38.960 campaign. And I didn't know whether she might've done something wrong. I didn't think she would

00:36:42.600 have. And, and so we stopped the campaign, but something that I haven't talked about in the

00:36:47.040 past, Tucker, the same time they raided my daughter's house, they raided a lawyer in my

00:36:51.800 district, who's a Democrat, who, um, interestingly enough, uh, they shut down his Philadelphia office.

00:36:58.680 They brought dogs and helicopters and all to downtown Philly, same time. At the time they raided

00:37:04.120 his office, he had been working for FBI counterintelligence against Russia for two years

00:37:08.620 that I had arranged two years earlier. I had arranged two years earlier under oath.

00:37:14.320 So the counterintel people handling him went to his office and we're sitting with him while these

00:37:19.620 agents from DC come in and you had two sets of agents in the same office at the same time.

00:37:25.680 And the counterintel people are saying, don't answer any questions. We don't know what this is,

00:37:30.180 but you're doing work for our country. And the other ones don't know why they're sent there.

00:37:33.600 Their first question is, Mr. Gallagher, isn't it true that you're related to Congressman Kurt

00:37:37.840 Weldon? And John starts laughing at them because, uh, Congressman Weldon's wife's last name is the

00:37:45.220 same name as mine. And you're from the FBI. I know who told them that, Tucker.

00:37:49.700 Wait, so what, but what was the pretext for raiding your daughter's house?

00:37:52.580 There was none. They never talked to her.

00:37:55.180 So what was she charged with? What did she go to?

00:37:56.880 They never charged her with anything. They never talked to her. There was no charge.

00:38:01.360 So the FBI just shows up, shows up, raised, takes boxes out and then gives her the boxes back

00:38:06.240 unopened, still taped. Nothing. Nothing. When did they give the boxes back?

00:38:11.160 That was months later. After you'd lost. Yeah. And not only that, three months after the election,

00:38:17.360 the annual fire dinner in Washington, which I started, 2000 people attend members of Congress,

00:38:22.260 House and Senate. George Bush, the father, former CIA director, does a tribute to me,

00:38:27.780 which you can, I sent it to your staffer. You can play it. And he says in the tribute,

00:38:33.280 Congressman Weldon, you're the kind of leader that America needs. You're the kind of leader that

00:38:38.000 leaves the country safer, stronger. Those aren't my words. Those are George Bush senior's words to

00:38:46.700 2000 people after they raided my daughter's house. After you'd already been neutralized and you were not

00:38:51.760 going to be. It was all about getting me out. So did you, so the, the raid comes, you must be

00:38:56.980 completely confused. Do you call your daughter and say like, what's going on? She was totally

00:39:00.360 devastated. Ruined her life. What do you, how do you deal with that? I don't know. How do you deal,

00:39:05.400 how do you deal with your kid? I'm probably going to find out at some point. If you want to, if you

00:39:08.340 want to, if you want to come after me, you know, and that's what I say to them. They're scumbags. Oh, 1.00

00:39:12.620 I know you scumbag. If you want to come after me, come after me publicly. But if you're going to hide 1.00

00:39:17.760 and go do something behind somebody, which you do, now there are good people in the agency, 0.99

00:39:22.020 but there are scumbags that work in our agencies and I know them and they're making money. 0.90

00:39:27.400 They're million dollar people and their million dollar companies are going to be exposed. 0.96

00:39:31.780 If it's the last thing I do and you'll see the ties around the world to the million dollar Intel

00:39:37.020 people who've made money off the backs of young American kids who have died in wards while they make

00:39:42.220 money or their companies make money. And I'll give you example after example of that in Russia,

00:39:48.760 in Ukraine, around the world, in Libya, that's what's wrong. And until we understand that it's 0.84

00:39:55.300 not going to stop. And Donald Trump's people need to understand that we're not playing tiddlywinks

00:40:00.820 out in the schoolyard. We're playing with bad people. I agree. I, I, yeah, as I've said, I've,

00:40:06.440 I've, I've seen it up close. So I know that you're telling the truth.

00:40:09.540 What they do to my family is outrageous. So, so this happens. And in the final month

00:40:15.220 of a campaign, three weeks, three weeks with this challenger who doesn't live in your district,

00:40:20.520 who all of a sudden has, I think I'm remembering this correctly. A lot of his money came from

00:40:25.160 California. All of it. And then we find out Tucker, I'll give it to you. We get a memo. My staff does

00:40:29.820 some digging. What's going on? And we find a memo that was sent to my staff in September,

00:40:34.040 a month before this, from the National Republic Congressional Committee to my campaign committee

00:40:40.020 saying, Hey, for some reason, your opponent just cut his TV by for one week in October by $500,000.

00:40:49.280 The week was the week they raided my daughter's house.

00:40:51.540 Because he knew he wouldn't need it.

00:40:52.720 So they told the Democrats the week they were going to raid my daughter's house.

00:40:57.520 I believe it.

00:40:58.380 Because they didn't need the advertising that week.

00:41:00.260 But what's crazy, if, if you think about it, and by the way, I should say of Sestak,

00:41:05.000 who I always thought was just such a reptile, but he had kind of like the perfect views. He was

00:41:10.080 very liberal socially, but on foreign policy questions, he was just national security state. 1.00

00:41:16.760 He's a loser. 0.97

00:41:17.320 Perfect national security state. 1.00

00:41:19.200 He's an embarrassment. And I'll say it publicly. He's an embarrassment. 0.98

00:41:21.600 Oh, I couldn't. 0.96

00:41:22.260 And what he did to my family, I'll never forget.

00:41:24.860 So, but that's the Bush Justice Department.

00:41:28.060 Absolutely.

00:41:28.460 That's the Bush FBI.

00:41:30.200 It's the, it's the, and I wrote a letter to Mueller, which I'll give you a copy of.

00:41:32.960 Mueller was FBI director then.

00:41:33.960 Yes. I wrote a personal memo to him on LinkedIn, right to his personal self.

00:41:37.180 And I said, Mr. Mueller, I respect you personally for being a Marine, but you're a scumbag for what 1.00

00:41:42.080 you did to my family. 1.00

00:41:43.060 So did you call over to the White House and say like, what the hell is going on?

00:41:46.440 I called Karl Rove. He said, get a good lawyer.

00:41:49.080 And I have no respect for Karl Rove.

00:41:50.620 Well, no one does.

00:41:51.460 And I'll tell you that story on another show.

00:41:53.860 Wait, so, but your daughter's house gets raided. She doesn't get charged with anything.

00:41:56.840 The FBI never even doesn't talk to, not sure. It doesn't even get talked to no one.

00:42:02.180 And CNN were all admitted. I then worked.

00:42:04.580 You know, the only person that defended me who you're going to laugh.

00:42:08.800 No, probably not.

00:42:09.500 Joe Scarborough.

00:42:10.220 I believe that he was on my committee, Joe Scarborough.

00:42:13.020 I'll give you the article defended me and said, Congressman, well, we'll never do anything

00:42:17.060 like this. And the stupid jerk reporter said, oh, Scarborough, I know what he's talking 1.00

00:42:21.420 about. Joe Scarborough was the only one at that time who really publicly aggressively. 1.00

00:42:25.600 I believe that. And I knew Joe very well, very well then.

00:42:30.600 And he was on my committee. 0.95

00:42:31.800 He's not a stupid person, by the way, whatever Joe's many faults. 0.99

00:42:35.180 He's not dumb. And he gets how politics work. 0.98

00:42:37.300 But he won't talk to me now.

00:42:38.280 Of course not.

00:42:40.560 OK, so you call Karl Rove and you say, like, what the hell, Karl Rove?

00:42:44.100 What is going on here?

00:42:45.160 And he just says to get a good lawyer.

00:42:47.340 That was it?

00:42:47.800 Yeah. He's the same scumbag that when I told him that I told this company in Florida that 1.00

00:42:54.440 was being harassed to hire a lobbyist, I told him to hire Bob Dole and he started screaming 1.00

00:42:58.180 at me on the phone. He said, who are you to tell anybody to hire Bob Dole's law firm?

00:43:02.420 I said, Bob Dole's a war hero. He's a credible person.

00:43:05.840 He said, don't you know who his partner is?

00:43:07.160 I said, I have no idea who his partner is.

00:43:09.400 Well, his partner was Ian Richards from Texas.

00:43:11.900 What does that have to do with somebody doing national security issues?

00:43:15.080 Because Karl Rove was from Texas and his nemesis in Texas was Bob Dole's partner.

00:43:19.880 He didn't want them to benefit.

00:43:22.100 That's what he's like.

00:43:23.440 That's exactly what he's like. 0.99

00:43:24.460 He's a small fat man. There's no doubt about that. 0.94

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00:45:27.720 Wow.

00:45:28.340 Okay.

00:45:29.000 So that's kind of, that's the end of your political career.

00:45:31.720 Well, it's the end of my public career, but I have a lot of friends.

00:45:34.180 I know.

00:45:34.680 I got that.

00:45:35.320 I have a lot of people that support.

00:45:36.120 Now people want me to talk and I am talking because Trump's in power and the only thing 0.98

00:45:41.140 they can do, they can kill me.

00:45:42.180 Now, two of my friends were killed or I think they were killed.

00:45:44.740 One was threatened by a guy that was running to be the head of the CIA.

00:45:48.160 He got a call.

00:45:49.300 This guy that was in Florida, John Quirk, was career intelligence for the CIA.

00:45:53.780 And he helped me.

00:45:54.340 He gave me all the internal stuff of what they were doing to try to, they tried to portray 1.00

00:45:57.780 me as a Russian spy of all this stupidity. 1.00

00:46:01.420 Been there. 1.00

00:46:03.020 Right.

00:46:03.600 So Quirk called me.

00:46:05.380 He said, you won't believe who I got a call from.

00:46:06.920 He told me the guy's name.

00:46:08.780 He said, the guy said to me, why are you helping Kurt Weldon?

00:46:11.020 And John Quirk said, because Kurt Weldon's a patriot.

00:46:13.800 The guy slammed down the phone.

00:46:15.360 That guy's a multimillionaire in New York right now.

00:46:18.260 Multimillionaire.

00:46:19.560 Made his money off the backs of the American people.

00:46:22.000 What happened to your friend?

00:46:23.480 Do you think he was murdered?

00:46:24.680 I think he was given a, they both had fast moving cancer.

00:46:28.900 And that's a typical process that the agency uses overseas when they want to get rid of

00:46:33.780 somebody.

00:46:34.080 I'm aware of that.

00:46:34.700 Most people are not aware of that.

00:46:37.020 But do you know that to be true that that is a.

00:46:39.140 I don't, I don't, I can't prove it.

00:46:40.180 No, but do you know that.

00:46:41.480 I know they both died suddenly.

00:46:43.860 The U.S. government has the technology to.

00:46:47.300 Oh, absolutely.

00:46:48.060 Absolutely.

00:46:48.760 Infect people with fast moving cancer.

00:46:50.400 Absolutely.

00:46:52.040 As they do with the, you know, in 1997, I did the first hearing on asymmetric threats.

00:46:56.900 I was a chairman of the research committee and I focused on four threats.

00:47:00.680 And you can read about them.

00:47:01.940 The first threat was the use of drones, which nobody was using then.

00:47:04.680 The second was cyber attacks, which is now a big deal.

00:47:07.320 The third was EMP.

00:47:08.520 People don't even know what EMP is.

00:47:09.760 I was the leader of that.

00:47:10.600 I wrote DMP legislation.

00:47:11.880 And the fourth was cognitive warfare.

00:47:13.640 People don't understand cognitive warfare.

00:47:15.760 And today our intelligence agency is trying to pretend they don't know what it is.

00:47:18.280 Like, oh, we don't know what that is because the Russians have used it.

00:47:21.760 And the Chinese, they call it Havana syndrome.

00:47:24.260 Right.

00:47:24.440 We know what it is.

00:47:25.080 The directed energy weapons.

00:47:25.820 The directed energy weapons.

00:47:26.780 But you believe that, and the only reason I'm pushing on this is because I know for a fact that highly informed people in other countries with, you know, real intel services who are not crazy or sophisticated, take it as a matter of fact that it is possible to transmit fatal cancer from one person to another or from a machine to a person.

00:47:49.200 And you know that that's true?

00:47:51.220 I don't know that.

00:47:52.020 The details, I know the research that was being done when I was chairman of the Oversight Committee for Research was very provocative.

00:47:57.700 And we need members of Congress that are unafraid to get fully immersed in understanding what we're doing and why we're doing it.

00:48:06.080 The problem with the members of Congress is that there are good members in both parties.

00:48:09.540 But they get staffers who have career goals, and their career goal might be to go work at the Pentagon or go work for the agency.

00:48:16.080 Yes.

00:48:16.280 So they get compromised midway through.

00:48:18.060 You can't have that.

00:48:19.400 You've got to have people to understand their loyalty has got to be for the country and for what their original goal.

00:48:24.120 And that's why it's so important that we – and the ultimate goal here is to have this presidential commission on 9-11 to hold people accountable and to let the president appoint a commission that asks the questions of what really happened, both intelligence-wise and with the actual structure so that we understand.

00:48:40.980 And then we make those people accountable.

00:48:42.940 Believe me, when we do that, then you shake the system up.

00:48:45.200 I agree with that, and I think it's really important to begin declassifying a lot of things that the U.S. government has done with our money and our name over the past 60 years, starting with the Kennedy assassination, which the president has issued an executive order on January 23rd to declassify.

00:49:00.900 It hasn't happened.

00:49:03.720 MLK, RFK, et cetera, et cetera.

00:49:06.740 I think we should know what happened in Butler Township in July, but I think the big story is 9-11.

00:49:12.580 The reason is all those happened decades ago, and I agree with you.

00:49:16.640 9-11 is only 24 years ago, and I have all the information.

00:49:20.720 I have the firefighters ready to go.

00:49:22.360 I have the tapes of the firefighters and what they saw and heard.

00:49:25.180 I have all the architects and engineers and all their 3,000 of them risking their careers.

00:49:30.640 I have the lawyers.

00:49:31.660 I have the families.

00:49:32.860 Everybody's ready to go.

00:49:34.120 All Trump has to do is name a new presidential commission.

00:49:38.100 Let them do the investigation.

00:49:39.800 We'll give them all the material.

00:49:41.100 And then we'll show the country that we cannot – we will not allow these people to commit these kinds of – they're not even unscrupulous.

00:49:49.680 They're outrageous and scandalous and traitorous acts against our nation. 0.91

00:49:53.600 Imagine planning to kill American people.

00:49:55.660 I can't begin to think of that.

00:49:57.120 Okay, so – but you've also just said that two friends of yours died of fast-moving cancer.

00:50:01.860 I don't know that.

00:50:02.880 Well, they died of cancer.

00:50:04.000 They died of cancer.

00:50:04.700 Right.

00:50:05.420 But you think that the people who are hiding the truth about 9-11 are capable of murder?

00:50:10.320 Absolutely.

00:50:11.080 Absolutely.

00:50:11.700 Well, I guess that would be obvious since 3,000 people were murdered that day.

00:50:15.060 Just like Libya. 1.00

00:50:15.780 We were the ones that caused Gaddafi's death because Hillary Clinton played a game over there, and I was the one that went over there during the war.

00:50:23.420 Gaddafi asked me to come over.

00:50:24.440 I took a Biden staffer and a Bush staffer and a film crew leader from ABC1 in New York, Larry Mente with me, and a cameraman because I didn't want the CIA to set me up.

00:50:34.580 I hand-carried the letter back from Gaddafi offering to resign.

00:50:38.080 The U.S. didn't want him to resign. 0.86

00:50:39.180 They wanted to kill him. 0.51

00:50:40.620 Why?

00:50:41.320 Because Gaddafi – and I met him three times. 0.61

00:50:43.100 I took Biden on my second trip to Libya, by the way.

00:50:45.340 He went with me when I spoke to the whole country.

00:50:47.380 At every meeting I had with Gaddafi, he wanted two things.

00:50:49.900 He wanted to unite the African continent into a group of nations economically, like the European economy.

00:50:56.640 He wanted to base it on the gold standard.

00:50:58.660 And the U.S. and Europe didn't want that.

00:51:01.000 And the other thing is they wanted control of his oil, and they wanted control of his sovereign wealth.

00:51:05.160 So Gaddafi had to go.

00:51:06.520 That's outrageous, and it's wrong.

00:51:08.300 Yeah, but that, I think, sounds right to me.

00:51:10.440 But we've allowed so many of our kids to be drawn into conflicts to be killed.

00:51:15.480 And these people doing this are – they've never served in any capacity in our country.

00:51:20.600 They've never been in the military.

00:51:21.820 They've never served on a fire ground.

00:51:23.660 And it's outrageous that they think they can get away with this and sit back and make all this money.

00:51:28.200 It's outrageous.

00:51:29.080 I couldn't agree more.

00:51:30.480 So what – let's get to 9-11 itself.

00:51:34.260 And you were so deeply involved in so many parts of this personally that it's – I think it's easy to go off on different tangents.

00:51:42.600 But just to the extent that you can describe what you know to be true – you said I don't want to speculate as to motive, for example.

00:51:48.400 But what you know to be true, what do you think the core truth of 9-11, September 11, 2001 is?

00:51:54.840 I don't – at this point in time, I have my own perceptions.

00:52:02.280 I don't have something I can give 100 percent – I can't swear on.

00:52:07.180 But what I'm seeing bothers me to the core of my body that 9-11 did not happen because a group of hijackers got control of some planes.

00:52:17.620 First of all, I have confirmed that two of the hijackers that were on one of the planes in New York were working for the CIA.

00:52:23.500 They were on the CIA payroll.

00:52:25.740 And that was confirmed to me by someone in writing from one of our agencies.

00:52:29.380 And I have that letter.

00:52:30.700 So two of the people involved were actually working for the CIA in one of the planes.

00:52:35.220 I know that.

00:52:36.140 And they lost control of them.

00:52:37.360 And there were reprimands against those agency people after the fact.

00:52:41.460 Second, I know the intelligence.

00:52:43.420 They tried three times to transfer the information about information that could have prevented 9-11.

00:52:48.840 That's fact.

00:52:49.580 To the Justice Department.

00:52:50.520 And I have the name of the person that at the Justice Department they contacted and she was told to cancel the meetings.

00:52:58.120 They couldn't have the meetings.

00:52:59.280 Who did that order come from?

00:53:00.800 Who –

00:53:01.120 That's what needs to be investigated.

00:53:03.200 Okay.

00:53:03.500 And then we have John Crane, the inspector general of the Pentagon, who went to the extent of issuing a request for whistleblower status because he was told to lie to the Congress and lie about pre-9-11 intelligence and able danger.

00:53:18.060 And then we have general – the book by the general and his comments that he knew within seconds.

00:53:23.320 None of this is in the 9-11 commission report. 0.98

00:53:25.500 The 9-11 commission report is a piece of garbage. 0.64

00:53:27.880 Well, then you also have – I mean, this is just a fact. 0.98

00:53:30.880 I don't know what to make of it.

00:53:31.940 But you have a guy called Alex Jones, who's a broadcaster, who said that summer that the World Trade Centers are going to hit by planes and a guy called Osama bin Laden is going to be blamed.

00:53:43.020 He said that on tape with a timestamp.

00:53:44.400 So we know that that actually happened.

00:53:45.580 That's not – I'm not making it up.

00:53:46.780 It's not a conspiracy theory.

00:53:47.740 He said that.

00:53:48.320 And it's like, how would he know that?

00:53:50.780 That's so far out of the realm of what anyone was thinking in Washington, where I lived at the time.

00:53:56.600 So then my question is, OK, if I'm Philip Zelikow, the guy running the 9-11 commission, I'm calling Alex Jones immediately saying, come on in, under oath, and we're going to find out how did you know that?

00:54:07.660 And instead, the U.S. government, the FBI in particular, set about to destroy Alex Jones and almost succeeded.

00:54:14.580 I mean, they engineered a billion-dollar judgment against him, et cetera, et cetera.

00:54:18.160 But they really have tried to kill him for saying that.

00:54:21.960 And it's like if you wanted to get to the truth, why would you act that way?

00:54:24.260 Why would you knock you out of Congress?

00:54:26.100 At the time of 9-11, I had been to the World Trade Center in 93.

00:54:31.380 The governor of New York, Mario Cuomo, called my office, talked to me personally, thanked me for coming up.

00:54:35.600 He watched my one-hour presentation.

00:54:37.980 I was back up there with Ray Downey.

00:54:40.000 I brought Ray Downey's widow and five kids down to my district after 9-11 to honor him as a hero.

00:54:45.580 I was up during the 9-11 incident at Ground Zero, and I did everything I could to, and I felt responsible.

00:54:55.020 Do you know the 9-11 Commission would not let me testify before the commission?

00:54:58.660 Now, I'm a firefighter.

00:54:59.780 I'm a fire chief.

00:55:00.940 I'm a state fire instructor.

00:55:02.500 I spent my whole career helping protect people from disasters.

00:55:05.920 The 9-11 Commission, even though my experience as a member of Congress, vice chairman of defense and homeland security, would not call me to testify, would not call me to go in and speak before the 9-11, because they knew what I would say.

00:55:20.040 So when the commission said it's going to issue its report, which was in—

00:55:23.580 And when, pardon to interrupt, what year was that?

00:55:25.520 It was when the report was released.

00:55:26.780 I think it was 2005.

00:55:28.520 So what I did, the report was being released in the Ways and Means room of the Cannon Building.

00:55:33.260 I went over.

00:55:33.700 I sat in the front row to be the first one.

00:55:35.800 Lee Hamilton and Tom King were up there.

00:55:37.820 Good people.

00:55:38.500 I don't blame them.

00:55:39.520 It wasn't them.

00:55:40.240 It was the staffers that controlled this.

00:55:42.080 It wasn't the commissioners.

00:55:43.140 It was the Zelikow guy.

00:55:43.880 That's right.

00:55:44.420 Zelikow and Gorelick.

00:55:45.600 And Dieter Snell.

00:55:46.780 Dieter Snell was a staffer working for them.

00:55:48.860 Jamie Gorelick, who was a Clinton DOJ.

00:55:52.280 Who wrote the firewall memo that said you can't transfer military intelligence to civilian law enforcement.

00:55:56.900 I think Bill Kristol's cousin, too, unless I'm misremembering that.

00:55:59.760 Maybe that's the case.

00:56:00.460 So I sat in the front row and I said, Lee, why did you not allow me to testify?

00:56:04.760 And he said to me, well, Congressman, you know, we had a lot of people that wanted to testify.

00:56:08.300 Now, I'm the representative of all the firefighters in the country.

00:56:10.840 I'm the point person for the firefighters.

00:56:12.740 I'm a firefighter and a fire chief.

00:56:14.220 I'd been at the Trade Center in 93.

00:56:15.920 I'd been there in 9-11, and they would not let me testify because they didn't want to hear what I had to say.

00:56:20.440 What would you have said?

00:56:21.440 I would have said that we caused this.

00:56:24.120 What do you mean?

00:56:24.720 With the intelligence, I have the evidence that we could have stopped this.

00:56:28.920 Not me.

00:56:29.640 Louis Free said that.

00:56:31.020 Based upon what I came out with, Louis Free's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, which I can give you a copy of, said the 9-11 commission was an incomplete investigation.

00:56:40.340 And he also went on Good Morning America and said the same thing.

00:56:42.940 They tried to blame Louis Free because Louis Free had left the FBI the year before 9-11 happened.

00:56:48.420 So he was their scapegoat.

00:56:50.180 And to this day, I think Louis is very upset over that.

00:56:52.740 Yeah.

00:56:54.500 Yeah, I believe that.

00:56:55.820 So the only way around this is to have a new, for the firefighters of America and for our country, to have an independent commission be appointed and give that commission full authority to take this wherever it goes, including the end result.

00:57:09.040 And the end result may be very ugly.

00:57:10.560 There's just a sense in which that's pretty obvious.

00:57:14.420 I mean, like, why is anything from 9-11 still classified?

00:57:18.360 It's our country.

00:57:19.240 It happened to 3,000 of our fellow Americans.

00:57:21.520 We have an absolute right to know what happened.

00:57:23.100 It's not even a question.

00:57:24.900 And it was almost 25 years ago.

00:57:26.440 So, like, spare me your lectures about national security.

00:57:28.660 But can I ask you this?

00:57:30.380 So, by the way, I never questioned anything about 9-11.

00:57:33.440 And I actively attacked people who did.

00:57:36.620 I'm ashamed of that.

00:57:37.500 But that's a fact.

00:57:38.420 I did it on tape more than once.

00:57:40.760 Because my feeling was, well, you know, like, that's divisive or whatever. 1.00

00:57:43.960 I was a child and an idiot. 0.96

00:57:46.800 But what began to make me wonder, and I have no idea what happened to 9-11, but it's very clear that there's a lot of lying around it, was the collapse of Building 7. 0.99

00:57:57.740 And all the wackos would be like, Building 7, Building 7. 0.99

00:58:00.200 I'd be like, shut up, wackos. 1.00

00:58:01.160 And then if you just sort of look at it, you're like, well, that is very weird, actually. 0.99

00:58:04.660 No plane hit that building.

00:58:05.860 And does this happen a lot when buildings catch fire?

00:58:08.560 Right.

00:58:08.780 Okay.

00:58:09.180 Besides being a firefighter, I work for the INA, largest insurance company in North America.

00:58:13.300 I was responsible for training their fire protection and arson people for 18 years.

00:58:17.160 That doesn't happen.

00:58:18.300 You never have a 47-story building just collapse, which this is.

00:58:22.460 Even Donald Trump, I have a tape of him speaking on 9-11.

00:58:26.020 And Donald Trump, which I'll give you a copy of.

00:58:27.420 I've seen it.

00:58:27.980 And his own word says, that's controlled demolition.

00:58:30.700 Yeah.

00:58:31.080 I mean, it certainly looks that way.

00:58:32.640 I mean, look, I don't know.

00:58:33.540 See, here's what they did.

00:58:34.480 They brought in NIST.

00:58:36.120 They brought in NIST to do a report.

00:58:37.660 Can you tell us what NIST is?

00:58:38.840 NIST is the National Institute for Standards and Technology to do an assessment.

00:58:43.780 Now, they're like any other federal agency.

00:58:45.580 And there are good people there.

00:58:46.680 But there are people that want their jobs and want their careers.

00:58:49.180 And they're not going to rock the boat.

00:58:50.780 And they came out with a report that's hogwash.

00:58:52.820 The University of Alaska, which is a very credible engineering department, did a full refutation

00:58:59.380 of the NIST report, saying it's full with gaps and full with inaccuracies and areas where

00:59:04.840 they did not get the right information.

00:59:06.820 Let me just say this to you.

00:59:07.820 So people say, well, you can't question NIST.

00:59:10.660 NIST always does the right thing.

00:59:12.240 When I went to Congress, Tucker, in my first term, I'm two doors from the speaker's office,

00:59:17.020 Speaker Jim Wright.

00:59:18.260 His office catches on fire at seven o'clock at night.

00:59:21.560 As a firefighter, I go up, punch the door open, get down on my hands, and he's crawling.

00:59:26.220 The kitchen's fully involved.

00:59:27.540 This is all documented.

00:59:28.460 You can read about it.

00:59:29.660 And I said to my staffer, go get me the portable extinguishers.

00:59:32.920 Three of the five weren't charged.

00:59:34.200 I said, go get me the hose in the hose station. 1.00

00:59:36.240 There was no hose in the hose station.

00:59:37.880 I come back out, and I say, we got to evacuate the building.

00:59:40.920 Now, I'm in my first term.

00:59:42.220 It's a seven-story building above ground.

00:59:44.740 No sprinklers, no detectors, no alarms.

00:59:48.600 Here is the building, one of the six office buildings holding the House and the Senate

00:59:54.420 in violation of every building code and fire code in America.

00:59:59.660 Now, I'm an expert on NFPA 101, the life safety code, and the BOCA codes.

01:00:03.660 This building, if NIST did its job, NIST would have said, if you're going to be in Congress,

01:00:08.700 you're going to work in a building where your constituents who are blind and handicapped

01:00:12.120 are not going to feel threatened.

01:00:13.720 Seven stories above ground.

01:00:16.100 No alarm system.

01:00:17.700 No detection system.

01:00:19.540 So a fire's occurring, and the police are running through the building yelling, fire,

01:00:23.180 get out.

01:00:24.120 That's the problem.

01:00:24.660 You cannot trust the federal agencies.

01:00:27.120 Obviously.

01:00:27.840 Of course.

01:00:29.260 That's obvious now.

01:00:30.200 But tell us, like, from an engineering perspective, like, what – you had three buildings come

01:00:38.080 down, sort of collapse in on themselves, implode, it looked like, and a lot of people have said,

01:00:45.880 many credible non-crazy people have said that was controlled demolition.

01:00:50.980 Was it?

01:00:51.440 Well, when I got up there the day after, I had been in the trade center at the restaurant

01:00:58.020 on the top several times.

01:00:59.640 There's no way those two buildings could have collapsed into what they were there.

01:01:04.140 Something had to happen.

01:01:05.440 Was that obvious to you immediately?

01:01:06.540 Yeah.

01:01:06.720 Absolutely.

01:01:07.320 Because, you know, and they were looking for other firefighters like Ray Downey and the

01:01:10.800 342 others that were trapped and eventually vaporized.

01:01:13.960 So something happened, whether there was – there's a high explosive material, I think it's

01:01:19.900 called fermite, that is used to explode metal and steel and vaporize it.

01:01:25.720 That tests were never done on that.

01:01:27.640 There were some limited tests that found that there was some evidence of that, but that – the

01:01:31.500 whole thing never was subjected to the kind of investigation that would be warranted when

01:01:36.200 3,000 people die.

01:01:37.920 I mean, when you have 3,000 people die, you would think it would be a full massive investigation,

01:01:42.280 not going after 9-11, obviously, but what happened to the buildings and why did they come down?

01:01:48.380 They're the only high-rise buildings in the world that have ever come down from an

01:01:53.200 airplane hitting them.

01:01:54.200 And those buildings, I read the report from the architect who designed them.

01:01:57.500 They were designed to withstand an airplane hitting the building and standing tall.

01:02:02.200 And especially Building 7, which had no plane hit it.

01:02:05.120 Right.

01:02:05.700 No plane hit it.

01:02:06.980 And the building just – you can see it when you watch it on TV.

01:02:10.500 It just implodes straight down.

01:02:11.660 And what really got me again was Oriole Palmer, that battalion chief arising on the –

01:02:18.440 Well, tell us who he was.

01:02:19.780 What is –

01:02:20.100 Oriole Palmer was one of the most inspirational battalion chiefs in New York.

01:02:25.240 FDNY.

01:02:26.080 FDNY, who immediately, very good shape, had a family, a couple of kids, went into the

01:02:30.540 building as soon as they got on the scene, took the elevator up to the 40th floor, got

01:02:35.160 off the elevator, and you can hear him on the comm system say, I'm here, 40th floor.

01:02:39.000 We're going to start walking up the stairwells.

01:02:41.900 Every five floors, he radios back to communication.

01:02:45.020 I'm on the 50th floor.

01:02:46.260 Everything's okay.

01:02:47.180 We're on floor 60.

01:02:48.480 Everything's okay.

01:02:49.540 He's going up every – so many floors, he gives a report.

01:02:52.980 He reaches the 78th floor, the floor of impact.

01:02:55.900 He comes out of the stair tower.

01:02:57.400 And as clear as you listening to me here, and I know I get passionate and I apologize

01:03:02.640 to your listeners for that.

01:03:04.500 He says, we're on floor 78, the floor of impact.

01:03:08.460 We've got two fires and we can handle them.

01:03:11.940 One minute later, the whole building collapses.

01:03:15.820 That's not normal.

01:03:17.100 That is not acceptable.

01:03:19.060 That is not what happened.

01:03:20.960 And this is on tape?

01:03:21.960 It's on tape.

01:03:23.320 The film is called Bravo 7.

01:03:27.120 And if your viewers want it, if they contact you, I'll give it to you.

01:03:29.940 It's free.

01:03:30.500 It was produced not by Hollywood.

01:03:32.140 It was produced by firefighters.

01:03:33.940 And it includes the footage, including the firefighter – the footage of the firefighter

01:03:40.080 communication between him and the command center.

01:03:42.740 You can hear him as plain as day saying, I'm on the impact floor, floor 78.

01:03:46.960 We have two fires here.

01:03:48.280 We can control them.

01:03:49.960 And he's comfortable.

01:03:51.180 He's not worrying about the building collapsing.

01:03:53.540 He just walked up 38 floors and the whole building collapses.

01:03:58.200 Tucker, it's a big lie.

01:04:01.160 Can I – like what – okay, two things.

01:04:04.300 What percentage of firefighters who were there that day are knowledgeable about building

01:04:08.840 fires agree with you on this?

01:04:10.920 Well, the – I have the utmost respect for the Fire Department of New York.

01:04:14.720 When I wrote the manuscript, Able Danger, which I didn't publish because my lawyer said they

01:04:20.080 would kill me back in 2006, I never published it.

01:04:23.620 I'm going to publish it this year.

01:04:25.500 Last summer in July, I took a copy up, a draft copy of the manuscript, and I met for two hours

01:04:30.880 with John Esposito.

01:04:31.740 He's the chief.

01:04:32.520 He's a great man.

01:04:33.760 I have total respect for him.

01:04:35.500 And John knows me.

01:04:37.020 And I said, John, you know my respect for the department.

01:04:39.160 And I said, yes, Congressman, we know that.

01:04:40.720 I said, I want to give you this copy of my manuscript, and I'm signing it in honor of

01:04:45.060 Ray Downey for you to keep in your archives.

01:04:47.520 This is what really happened.

01:04:49.360 He took it.

01:04:50.580 I felt I owed it to the Fire Department of New York and their members.

01:04:54.320 There has been this subtle pressure to the firefighters and to the officers not to talk

01:04:59.300 for obvious reasons.

01:05:01.360 You know what this involves politically.

01:05:03.960 And look what happened to the chief of L.A.

01:05:05.720 The female chief of L.A. comes out and says that the resources were taken away from her 0.99

01:05:10.820 for the field forest fires.

01:05:12.080 And what does the mayor do?

01:05:13.260 She fires her. 1.00

01:05:15.020 That was just a few weeks ago.

01:05:17.560 The firefighters are always a scapegoat.

01:05:19.280 That's why, Tucker, I'm done with this.

01:05:21.200 If it's the last thing I do, firefighters are not going to be taken for granted anymore.

01:05:24.960 We're going to rise up.

01:05:25.780 We're going to shake the country to its roots.

01:05:28.480 Firefighters are not second-class citizens.

01:05:30.460 Well, they certainly shouldn't be.

01:05:31.800 But if they talk, they'll get sidelined.

01:05:33.960 They'll be called crazies.

01:05:35.720 Even though they heard explosions, they can't be allowed to say that.

01:05:40.340 They heard explosions?

01:05:41.100 Yeah, absolutely.

01:05:41.800 It's on tape.

01:05:43.400 We have people coming out of the buildings that heard explosions.

01:05:46.780 We have film footage of people that talked to Fox News that was taken off the air and

01:05:52.680 now that was brought back by X.

01:05:54.680 That's all available.

01:05:55.480 That's why you need a commission to go back and look at all the lies.

01:05:58.260 Wait, so there are, and pardon my ignorance, but there are people on tape saying I heard

01:06:03.860 explosions.

01:06:04.340 Yes, absolutely, 100%, multiple people.

01:06:07.760 So the counter to this, which is also kind of rooted in common sense as well, that would

01:06:11.660 require a lot of people to be involved in a vast conspiracy and to stay silent for 24

01:06:17.400 years, and that's just impossible because people talk.

01:06:19.500 Not a lot of people.

01:06:20.220 Not a lot of people involve a very, very precise action of planning and, you know, taking steps

01:06:29.060 to control the situation.

01:06:31.380 And again, I have no firsthand evidence of this.

01:06:36.400 That's why this is the most important thing.

01:06:38.680 If there's one thing that you have the ability to do because you're very well respected and

01:06:44.140 deservedly so, you coming out and showing that report, that request put out by the firefighters

01:06:51.600 of America and by the people who are, excuse me for doing that.

01:06:55.860 No problem.

01:06:56.260 The people who were the most impacted by this.

01:06:59.080 Yes.

01:06:59.420 I've helped them now.

01:07:01.000 I'm not, I'm not, there's no money in this for me.

01:07:02.920 I'm everything I'm doing pro bono, pro bono, a new presidential commission.

01:07:07.360 There was no presidential commission before.

01:07:09.640 This would be the first presidential commission.

01:07:11.440 And we recommend you take this moment to do what we're about to do, which is enjoy an

01:07:17.580 ALP.

01:07:26.200 Wait, can I ask though, like if we find out, I mean, one of the reasons I became so upset

01:07:32.320 was actually an Alex Jones guy years ago at some campaign event I was covering, you know,

01:07:38.100 9-11, building seven. 1.00

01:07:39.600 And I was like, shut up, asshole. 1.00

01:07:40.980 You know, I don't, no one wants to hear that. 1.00

01:07:43.160 And I was being a child and ignorant, as I have admitted many times, and I was wrong

01:07:47.080 because you should always be for the truth, no matter what.

01:07:50.840 On the other hand, I think my instinct was informed by the feeling that, wow, if we find

01:07:56.040 out that U.S. government officials or foreign officials or anybody is hiding the truth about

01:08:03.700 an event that murdered 3,000 American, totally innocent people, like that's, how could your

01:08:08.780 country continue if you found out?

01:08:10.660 It would be almost as bad as if there were people in our country who planned to allow 0.98

01:08:14.500 bin Laden to stay in Iran while we sent kids to Afghanistan and 2,500 came back in body 1.00

01:08:21.740 bags.

01:08:22.180 It would be almost as bad.

01:08:23.440 No, you're right.

01:08:24.180 No, you're right.

01:08:25.020 Tucker, the American people don't understand.

01:08:27.920 I was in decisions as vice chairman of the committee where I heard conversations talk about acceptable

01:08:34.100 casualties.

01:08:35.540 There are no acceptable casualties.

01:08:37.000 Agreed.

01:08:37.800 If I have a son or a daughter, and I'm the youngest of nine, my brothers and sisters served

01:08:42.360 in every branch of the military.

01:08:44.080 None of them would be acceptable casualties.

01:08:46.000 And if we had people that made the decision that we can afford to get people over in Afghanistan 0.99

01:08:53.160 knowing that several thousand are going to come back dead, we've got to find an alternative

01:08:58.500 to that.

01:08:59.480 And if we didn't do it there, then we shouldn't do it in the U.S.

01:09:02.540 Do I think 9-11 is going to be the biggest scandal in our lifetime and beyond?

01:09:10.240 Yes.

01:09:10.580 I think it's going to be the biggest scandal in the history of America because it occurred

01:09:14.200 on U.S. soil.

01:09:15.280 And because it is so recent that we have relevant information still available.

01:09:21.500 That's right.

01:09:21.940 We have recorded information.

01:09:23.520 We have personal information.

01:09:25.120 And once people realize they can talk and not be afraid of being killed or not being

01:09:31.720 afraid of being ostracized, and you know what gets me is reporters who call people, you

01:09:37.780 know, conspiracy theorists.

01:09:39.040 Well, that's all the agency does.

01:09:41.160 They're the ones that create the conspiracies.

01:09:43.220 I'm aware.

01:09:43.860 I mean, cut me a break.

01:09:44.840 I'm aware.

01:09:45.460 They have whole courses for their agents on how to make people look like they're conspiracy

01:09:48.760 theorists.

01:09:49.160 And the propaganda operations designed to discredit.

01:09:52.380 Exactly.

01:09:52.960 Right.

01:09:53.400 So all we want is the truth.

01:09:54.680 Of course.

01:09:55.380 So Trump, appoint people of impeccable integrity.

01:09:58.680 Let them study the facts.

01:09:59.900 I will testify under oath everything I know about intelligence.

01:10:03.500 Let these 3,000 architects who are risking their careers, making nothing, let them testify

01:10:08.800 under oath.

01:10:09.500 So let me ask you a very dark question.

01:10:12.040 I don't even know if I want the answer, but Flight 93, which crashed in your state in

01:10:17.100 Shanksville, Pennsylvania, became a kind of, and you feel obviously so crushed for the

01:10:22.680 people, Todd Beamer and the rest on that flight.

01:10:24.760 And they sound like they acted bravely and all that.

01:10:27.340 But, you know, Dick Cheney, the President Bush was hiding at Offutt Air Force Base, refused

01:10:31.440 to come back to D.C. because of cowardice.

01:10:33.180 And so Cheney was kind of running everything on that day, on September 11th.

01:10:37.760 And he said it's been reported, you know, he gave the orders to shoot down that plane.

01:10:42.120 But then they told us, no, it wasn't shut down.

01:10:44.780 The hijackers were under assault by the passengers.

01:10:47.200 And so they drove it into the ground.

01:10:49.160 Do you think that plane was shut down by the U.S. government?

01:10:50.800 I don't have any evidence of that, but I've seen other speculation that that plane may

01:10:55.480 have been heading for the Chicago Tower.

01:10:57.760 And if it wasn't for the people on the plane that diverted it and turned it around, that's

01:11:01.640 where it was heading.

01:11:02.180 For sure. 0.99

01:11:02.560 Well, clearly it was, it was, that plane was going to be used to kill Americans, no doubt.

01:11:06.260 And I lost a constituent that was a pilot on one of the planes, Michael Horrocks, who

01:11:10.760 went to Westchester, the same school I went to.

01:11:12.860 And I immediately contacted his widow and raised the funds to build a playground in his honor

01:11:18.120 at the elementary school for his kids.

01:11:20.040 So I felt it personally.

01:11:21.860 The story is a story that America has to come to grips with this, because if there's any

01:11:28.000 one story that's going to determine whether or not we are a country of what we all claim

01:11:33.940 to be, then as painful as it is, we have to learn the lessons from that.

01:11:39.680 If we don't, and we allow these people that were involved in these cover-ups, and in my

01:11:45.260 case, I, the people I'm talking about are covering up.

01:11:48.120 Without any hesitation, the intelligence side of it.

01:11:51.340 If we don't do that, then this is just inviting this to happen again and again.

01:11:55.640 And it's, and it's going to continue.

01:11:57.380 You can't have that in a country like ours.

01:11:59.460 We're supposed to be the symbol around the world.

01:12:01.520 And we get laughed at by people.

01:12:03.960 The people in Libya know what we did and why we did Gaddafi.

01:12:06.820 North Korea, we had a solution for North Korea that Colin Powell endorsed, that I worked 0.91

01:12:10.940 on with, with a bipartisan delegation that the White House under Bush didn't want.

01:12:15.240 And look at now, North Korea is threatening an attack.

01:12:17.940 All of these things we create.

01:12:20.100 And if the American people don't have access to know the truth, then we're not really what

01:12:24.200 we say we are.

01:12:25.100 Who are the darkest actors in the Bush administration, do you think?

01:12:28.340 I can't name anyone.

01:12:30.040 I mean, Sandy Berger, in my opinion, should have been tried for treason.

01:12:33.160 So Sandy Berger was, I agree, well, he committed treason.

01:12:36.240 So he should have been.

01:12:37.240 He's passed now.

01:12:38.720 I knew him.

01:12:39.280 He was a national security advisor for Bill Clinton.

01:12:41.760 So tell us, tell us, you've made reference to him for those who don't remember or getting

01:12:46.680 their history from Wikipedia.

01:12:49.740 Who is Sandy Berger and why do you think he committed treason?

01:12:52.960 And Wikipedia, by the way, has no credibility.

01:12:54.700 I'm very aware of that.

01:12:55.760 They are basically, it's a controlled process to manipulate.

01:13:00.420 And you don't really know that until.

01:13:02.460 I know it.

01:13:02.920 Just because, you know, you get older and like there are some things on Wikipedia, it's

01:13:07.400 like, wait, I was there.

01:13:08.340 I know that that's not true.

01:13:09.820 Well, two things about Sandy Berger.

01:13:10.680 You know what I mean?

01:13:11.520 Sandy Berger was when this all started.

01:13:13.420 He was security advisor for Clinton in the 90s.

01:13:16.560 And as a member of the Cox Commission, which was a formal commission established by the

01:13:20.720 Congress made up of nine members.

01:13:22.780 Headed by Congressman Chris Cox of California.

01:13:24.500 That's right.

01:13:24.860 Five Republicans, four Democrats, all committee chairs except me.

01:13:27.960 I was appointed by Newt.

01:13:29.160 And we spent six months behind closed doors looking at all the data about why China stole 0.81

01:13:35.020 our technology.

01:13:36.320 And what we ended up with was a nine to zero vote.

01:13:39.100 Our security was severely harmed by China's acquisition of technology. 0.80

01:13:43.380 And Chris Cox won a nine to zero vote.

01:13:45.780 I went beyond that.

01:13:47.660 And working with the people that I had befriended that were doing the able danger stuff, I said,

01:13:52.720 why did this happen?

01:13:53.580 And they produced charts for me, which I have given to you to show the process that China 0.66

01:13:59.820 established.

01:14:00.720 And China did what we do. 0.87

01:14:02.160 We try to spy on other countries.

01:14:03.620 That's part of the game.

01:14:04.440 Yeah, of course.

01:14:04.740 It's legitimate.

01:14:05.360 Yes.

01:14:05.580 But if you get caught by that, that's your fault.

01:14:08.240 China set up a process using money through the Central Military Commission, the People's

01:14:13.360 Liberation Army, to set up front companies to deliberately acquire selected technology in

01:14:18.360 the U.S. by using campaign donations, primarily to the Clinton campaign in the mid-90s.

01:14:23.500 The charts show that.

01:14:24.600 You have those charts.

01:14:26.260 Those donations resulted in waivers of arms control agreements.

01:14:30.700 Those donations involved in waivers of controls over technology.

01:14:35.080 And all the technologies are listed.

01:14:37.400 Those charts show that four Chinese nationals who had no citizenship rights here gained access

01:14:42.840 to the White House, in some cases, 49 times in one year.

01:14:46.340 They were raising money for the Democratic National Party and Clinton.

01:14:50.180 All of that was orchestrated by Sandy Berger, politically.

01:14:54.440 In the end, what happened was we basically empowered China to acquire our technology by

01:15:01.760 allowing them to use campaign donations.

01:15:04.420 And the best example I can give you of this is there was a very specific inquiry done by

01:15:09.740 the Justice Department of the L'Oreal Corporation in California.

01:15:12.360 L'Oreal Corporation, very capable space company and technology company, had been caught transferring

01:15:20.160 stage separation technology to China.

01:15:22.900 Stage separation technology allows you to have a multi-stage missile to go long distances.

01:15:28.320 Yes.

01:15:28.480 Which is required for intercontinental.

01:15:31.480 And China didn't have that. 0.99

01:15:32.640 They didn't have that capability.

01:15:33.980 So they got it.

01:15:35.380 So L'Oreal Corporation was caught transferring that.

01:15:37.960 That's a violation.

01:15:38.680 So the Justice Department, this is public information, was about ready to indict the CEO, Bernie Schwartz.

01:15:45.620 Bernie Schwartz went to Sandy Berger and received, this is public information, a retroactive presidential

01:15:53.100 waiver.

01:15:55.420 Retroactive presidential waiver.

01:15:57.220 The technology had already been transferred.

01:15:59.420 Now they get the waiver that it's okay.

01:16:01.680 And that year, Bernie Schwartz becomes one of the single biggest donors in the history of the

01:16:06.940 Democrat Party.

01:16:08.620 I put all the donations in the congressional record.

01:16:11.380 So anyone can go back in the congressional record to that time period and look for my speech and you'll see the

01:16:17.060 donations of Sandy Berger to the Democrat National Party and Al Gore and Bill Clinton

01:16:22.880 while we were giving our technology.

01:16:25.340 So China didn't steal it.

01:16:27.100 They outsmarted us.

01:16:28.520 That's our fault, not their fault.

01:16:29.960 Right.

01:16:30.300 They bribed our officials.

01:16:31.620 So that's the first thing with Sandy Berger.

01:16:33.920 Then Sandy Berger was involved in the run up to 9-11 and he was still Clinton's security

01:16:41.080 advisor.

01:16:41.880 He was told he had to appear before the 9-11 commission.

01:16:45.160 So two weeks before he was to appear, he gets permission to go to the National Archives in

01:16:51.100 Washington and he goes up to the top floor in a special room.

01:16:54.780 It's a big empty room and he didn't realize he was on camera.

01:16:58.060 They bring out documents that he has to see before his testimony.

01:17:01.620 He said it was the refresher's memory.

01:17:03.420 He ends up stealing those documents in a case that many remember and laugh about.

01:17:07.880 He stuffed the documents in his underwear and his socks and his shirt pocket.

01:17:12.060 You've seen the story and it's all true.

01:17:14.480 He leaves the archives with those national security archives, all pre-9-11 intelligence.

01:17:20.560 And by the way, none of this is in a 9-11 commission report.

01:17:23.980 None of it.

01:17:24.440 That's not mentioned.

01:17:25.080 No, he leaves the archives.

01:17:27.420 Do we know what those documents were?

01:17:28.860 Well, I'll tell you what happened.

01:17:30.600 He gets caught.

01:17:32.000 The inspector general for the archives contacts Berger and said, Mr. Berger, did you take anything

01:17:36.740 while you're in the archives?

01:17:37.740 And he says, no, that's a felony.

01:17:39.420 He lied to a federal agent.

01:17:41.020 He then hires one of Clinton's personal lawyers.

01:17:44.520 That lawyer cuts a plea bargain.

01:17:47.340 Sandy Berger pleads guilty to 11 felonies.

01:17:50.420 Lying to a federal agent, stealing five documents, and destroying five documents.

01:17:56.800 The plea bargain he gets is one misdemeanor.

01:18:00.460 No jail time.

01:18:02.060 He loses security clearance for one year.

01:18:04.760 In the August before my election loss, I told my staff, I want to go to the archives to see copies of what we think Berger stole.

01:18:13.100 The CIA called my office and said, tell your boss that's very sensitive information.

01:18:18.080 Like, what do you have to tell me?

01:18:19.140 What my job is?

01:18:20.480 I know what my job is.

01:18:21.620 I don't need to be reminded by somebody from some agency.

01:18:24.260 So I went there.

01:18:25.720 The documents were all regarding pre-9-11 intelligence.

01:18:29.620 The Millennium After Action report, which was prepared by John Ashcroft, was part of the documents that they didn't want the 9-11 commission to have.

01:18:37.560 Sandy Berger stole those documents.

01:18:39.100 If you stole documents that are in the National Archives, you'd be in jail right now.

01:18:43.900 Sandy Berger got away with it.

01:18:45.660 One felony.

01:18:46.500 He leaves the administration of Clinton and he forms a company.

01:18:50.620 Guess what the company's called?

01:18:52.680 Stonebridge.

01:18:54.060 I think he hires Madeleine Albright.

01:18:55.640 Stonebridge Albright.

01:18:56.580 And what do they do?

01:18:57.820 They represent Chinese corporations. 1.00

01:19:01.700 Disgusting people. 0.99

01:19:02.900 Both now gone. 0.99

01:19:03.880 Both now gone.

01:19:05.580 Do we know what was in those five documents?

01:19:07.320 Well, when I went down there, I looked at what we think he stole.

01:19:10.120 It was all pre-9-11 intelligence.

01:19:12.500 Suggesting that they should have known?

01:19:15.600 Yeah.

01:19:15.820 Well, we know that Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden in the base camps many times.

01:19:19.640 I mean, all of this.

01:19:21.360 And there's much more intrigue that I don't know about.

01:19:24.980 That's why it needs a thorough investigation, not of staffers, not of hacks, but of people of intellect and people who are willing to put the country first.

01:19:34.440 That's why Trump needs to convene a commission.

01:19:36.280 This is all so heavy that, you know, you wonder who would take that job.

01:19:43.200 Yeah, I have people who will take it.

01:19:44.740 I have firefighters who will take it, fire engineers.

01:19:47.200 I have people who will surprise you that will take the job.

01:19:50.420 That would take true courage.

01:19:52.800 No one even mentions declassifying 9-11.

01:19:55.780 I mean, it's like, oh, the Kennedy Association, UAPs.

01:19:58.700 I mean, I'm all for disclosure because we own the government.

01:20:02.020 We're shareholders.

01:20:02.680 We're not slaves.

01:20:03.700 So that's my view.

01:20:04.400 I always push for disclosure and I really mean it.

01:20:07.260 But a 9-11, I don't even know anyone who wants, I do, but I don't know anybody else other than you who really wants full disclosure because it's like you can feel it glowing.

01:20:17.160 You just feel like, I don't know what that is, but that's really scary.

01:20:19.880 You know why?

01:20:20.320 Everybody in Washington gets caught up with their careers, with their consultant fees, with their, you know, I'm done with that.

01:20:30.140 You know, I'm still paying the mortgage on my house.

01:20:32.280 Actually?

01:20:32.960 Yeah.

01:20:33.400 I'm still paying the mortgage on my house.

01:20:34.460 At what age?

01:20:35.580 77.

01:20:36.560 Amazing.

01:20:37.120 My wife's a nurse, you know.

01:20:38.520 So you didn't get rich in Congress.

01:20:40.000 No, I did not get, I didn't get, and I don't know how, I don't know how Biden and Obama, Obama was nothing in the Senate.

01:20:45.980 How do you make $88 million in the Senate when you don't have a job?

01:20:50.680 And Biden, who I grew up with and was a friend with, I mean, our kids went to school together.

01:20:55.260 How does he have multiple houses at the beach and, you know, I don't need, I don't need wealth.

01:21:01.240 I don't need wealth to be successful, and that's not going to be my legacy.

01:21:06.260 But there are people, and it makes me sick to my stomach, because I'd like to name them all right now, Tucker.

01:21:12.280 Well, go ahead.

01:21:13.380 Well, I have them down.

01:21:14.620 You know my partners, Judge Sullivan, very distinguished.

01:21:18.520 The former deputy director of the FBI, Buck Revell.

01:21:21.740 Jim Woolsey, former deputy, former head of the CIA.

01:21:24.040 Chuck Brooks, who you got a note from, former top guy at Homeland Security, Admiral Jay Cohen, who was head of research.

01:21:34.380 They all know what I know, and a lot more people.

01:21:37.620 I had lunch with Jim Jones twice last year, former security advisor to Obama.

01:21:42.640 I don't want to upend their careers.

01:21:44.360 I don't want to cost them money.

01:21:45.580 But America, America needs to know the truth.

01:21:47.940 But without naming specific names, I'm familiar with every person that you just mentioned, and I would say, from my impression, having lived in D.C. for 40 years, those are good guys, I think, honest people.

01:21:59.200 Yeah.

01:22:00.360 But without naming anybody, like, people who, and those are all very highly informed people, like, actually, for real, not bullshit.

01:22:07.580 No, they're all real people.

01:22:08.080 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for real.

01:22:09.300 Now, of that, of those kind of people, how many that you know think, ah, this is not right, the 9-11 report, all of them.

01:22:17.240 But they're not going to come out.

01:22:18.260 But everyone kind of knows.

01:22:18.980 They're not going to be the lead person to come out and take it on. 0.98

01:22:22.060 And many people say, you know, Kurt, you're crazy. 0.99

01:22:24.160 You know, you're. 1.00

01:22:24.560 Well, of course.

01:22:25.000 Well, that's how they try to describe you.

01:22:26.360 You're writing your, you're.

01:22:27.380 The only reason that I, I mean, I've never done a 9-11 show.

01:22:30.060 I'm not a single one, really, that I know, maybe one in 30 years, 20, well, now 24 years.

01:22:35.080 But the only reason that I wanted to talk to you specifically is because I was there, and so I know how much you know.

01:22:42.640 And you're not a fake person at all.

01:22:44.200 You're, like, right at the center of it.

01:22:45.520 So I think you have complete credibility on this topic.

01:22:48.740 And I think it's pretty hard to dismiss you as a wacko. 0.99

01:22:52.300 If you're a wacko, then why are you going to take over the Armed Services Committee? 1.00

01:22:54.980 Like. 0.78

01:22:55.280 Why would Donald Rumsfeld endorse me for the Armed Services Committee?

01:22:58.520 And if you're still paying your mortgage at 77, you clearly weren't ripping anybody off.

01:23:02.780 I have no secret bank account.

01:23:04.360 Clearly.

01:23:05.840 So I do think you've got a lot of credibility.

01:23:08.640 But it's just interesting.

01:23:09.820 You're obviously very focused on this.

01:23:11.700 The people, just to restate, the people that you talked to who are in similar positions of authority who would have access to, you know, real intel on this, they all think that the 9-11.

01:23:20.420 They don't need to talk.

01:23:20.940 They all think the 9-11 report was just silly. 0.66

01:23:23.460 Cover up.

01:23:24.340 They think that there's a lot more to what happened than what's being told.

01:23:30.180 The firefighters think the same.

01:23:31.860 But a firefighter who's doing their, you know, the key thing and why I devote my life to firefighters, they're the most powerful people in the country.

01:23:39.260 They're not driven by power nor money.

01:23:41.240 But when I organized them back in 1987 and the fire caucus became the largest in the Congress, I said, these are the people that make America work.

01:23:49.820 Of course.

01:23:50.640 I mean, they're the people that not just fight the fires and disasters.

01:23:53.720 They're the people.

01:23:54.520 It's where you vote on Election Day.

01:23:55.880 Of course.

01:23:56.260 It's where you hold the Boy Scout and Girl Scout meeting room.

01:23:58.880 And there are 50,000 stations run by 30,000 departments.

01:24:02.740 And 85% of them are volunteers.

01:24:04.520 Do you know next year as we celebrate the 250th anniversary of America, the fire service will be 290 years old?

01:24:10.380 Yeah.

01:24:10.820 The first fire department was formed by Ben Franklin in Philadelphia in 1736.

01:24:15.220 It didn't take a government to get people to come together to protect each other.

01:24:19.740 It's older than America. 0.93

01:24:21.500 And the 50,000 departments are in every town, every village.

01:24:25.480 They're the heart and soul of our nation and the backbone of our country.

01:24:27.840 And that's what I'm telling Trump.

01:24:30.000 If you ignite that group of people, you don't need to have MAGA people alone.

01:24:34.980 You have America then. 0.73

01:24:36.540 Because in every poll, firefighters are 98% supported.

01:24:41.140 They're the only ones everyone likes.

01:24:43.200 I totally agree.

01:24:44.620 Because they're not driven by power nor money.

01:24:46.800 That's right.

01:24:47.200 And that's why firefighters don't want to get involved in a political battle.

01:24:50.400 Even if they know they're being shortchanged.

01:24:53.120 Even if they know their loved one was killed when they shouldn't have been killed.

01:24:56.820 They keep quiet.

01:24:57.840 Well, I'm not going to keep quiet.

01:24:59.620 I'm their voice and I'm going to speak out.

01:25:02.840 So let me ask you one final question for people who've made it this far in the interview.

01:25:07.660 And I should just, I want to say for the record, I think you've been really restrained.

01:25:10.460 You haven't speculated on really anything other than things.

01:25:13.920 You said, I saw this.

01:25:15.360 I know this to be true.

01:25:16.240 But you haven't given us some complex theory of why this happened.

01:25:19.960 I can't.

01:25:20.720 I won't.

01:25:21.240 Right.

01:25:21.400 But for people who are thinking, wow, this is a little more serious than I realized and I want to know more.

01:25:29.000 And clearly Wikipedia is a filter, not a way to actually understand history.

01:25:33.960 What should people, what responsible, credible accounts of 9-11 would you recommend people read?

01:25:41.860 Like where do you get closer to the truth?

01:25:43.520 There is no one single account that I have seen.

01:25:47.660 I would suggest, and they can go on.

01:25:50.200 I'm not on social media except on LinkedIn.

01:25:52.580 And if you go to my LinkedIn, I'll send you a copy of Bravo 7.

01:25:58.660 Bravo 7 is a film one hour long done by firefighters, not done by Hollywood.

01:26:03.900 And by the way, my film based on my book is coming out next year.

01:26:07.000 And all the proceeds of my film Firefight are going to firefighters.

01:26:10.720 So nobody can say he's going to make a profit off that.

01:26:13.560 No.

01:26:14.320 You'll still be paying your mortgage.

01:26:15.560 My Hollywood film is the proceeds are going to firefighters.

01:26:18.660 It's about my book.

01:26:19.620 But Bravo 7 gives you the story of what really happened from the eyes of a firefighter.

01:26:27.200 And then it has the audio comments of Oreo Palmer.

01:26:32.240 And if you're a human being and you listen to that brave firefighter with two kids, I think two or three kids,

01:26:38.960 who's risking his life after he went up 40 floors in the elevator, climbing up 38 floors with his team,

01:26:46.100 arriving on the floor of impact and saying, I can handle it.

01:26:49.620 And if we let him die there, like it was just some random thing, then we're not human beings of decency.

01:26:57.480 I agree.

01:26:58.080 We owe Oreo Palmer.

01:26:59.840 We owe Ray Downey.

01:27:01.820 Ray Downey told us 93, eight years earlier, this is going to happen again.

01:27:06.500 Ray Downey told us in the Gilmore Commission, we needed to have this fusion center. 0.86

01:27:10.460 We allowed unnamed scumbags in the CIA to block us from having a fusion center. 0.78

01:27:16.520 We allowed unnamed scumbags in the agencies to block transferring the information that Scott Philpott and Tony Schaefer and Eileen Pricer and Eric Kleinsmith had that they tried to transfer to the Justice Department. 0.94

01:27:29.860 And they also had information before the attack on the USS Cole when they ruined the career of Kirk Lippold, the commander of the coal, and I defended him. 0.81

01:27:40.280 If we're going to truly be a country that really cares about other people and what we're doing, then we have to live up to that.

01:27:46.840 And how can you send your kid to war or combat and all this crap about giving them a home and a place to live and help?

01:27:54.560 Well, great.

01:27:55.040 Let's do it up front.

01:27:56.400 Let's prevent them from needing a home.

01:27:58.460 Let's prevent them from needing health care. 0.99

01:28:00.580 Let's prevent them from having to be put in a shelter someplace. 0.90

01:28:04.640 Let's focus on the veteran before they become disabled.

01:28:07.900 Let's focus on the firefighter before they die. 0.90

01:28:10.940 But see, the media, the media and the intel deep state likes to make it look like, well, we've got all these charities out there.

01:28:17.340 These charities allow us to give money like we really care about them.

01:28:21.740 Caring about them after they're dead is not the same as preventing them from dying.

01:28:26.200 And that's what this is about, preventing them from dying.

01:28:28.280 And I'm not going to stop until we take the necessary steps to never let this happen again.

01:28:33.420 I'm grateful for your determination.

01:28:35.620 And the last thing I'll say is I think when you give up the love of money, you get filled with a holy power, and you clearly have been.

01:28:42.740 So, Congressman, thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - April 14, 2025

Rep. Curt Weldon： It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11

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