The Tucker Carlson Show - Rep. Thomas Massie： Battling the Treachery of Trump’s Republican Party, AIPAC, and the Epstein Class

00:00:00.000 So how's your Iran war been so far? 0.89

00:00:03.600 You enjoying the Iran war?

00:00:05.780 Well, that really depends on who you are.

00:00:09.240 We like to think as Americans that we're all in this together and big events like wars

00:00:15.060 or economic booms or crises or natural disasters affect all of us equally.

00:00:20.520 But that's not true.

00:00:21.540 And it never has been true.

00:00:23.340 How you experience something big really depends on where you sit.

00:00:28.760 And again, that's been true since the beginning of time.

00:00:31.180 When Rome fell in 476, September 476,

00:00:34.860 it of course was a history-changing disaster

00:00:36.840 that we're still talking about.

00:00:38.040 Books have been written about it ever since,

00:00:39.700 more than 1,500 years.

00:00:41.300 And for most people, it was really the end.

00:00:43.900 It was the end of a civilization,

00:00:45.160 the world's largest empire.

00:00:47.040 But there were some people you can imagine

00:00:50.120 on New Year's Eve 476,

00:00:53.660 sitting around the table with their families,

00:00:55.100 assessing the year that just went by.

00:00:56.840 and they looked around the table and said,

00:00:59.100 you know, that was the best year we ever had. 0.99

00:01:01.080 Of course, Germanic hordes are plundering the city of Rome, 1.00

00:01:04.260 but for us, honestly, it's pretty great. 1.00

00:01:07.220 And that's just the nature of it.

00:01:09.500 Not anything inherently wrong with that.

00:01:11.140 It's just a fact you saw during COVID.

00:01:13.580 COVID was a massive disaster for most Americans,

00:01:16.020 for most people in the West.

00:01:17.960 Addiction rates went up, suicide rates, divorce.

00:01:21.780 Kids didn't get educated for over a year.

00:01:23.740 It destroyed a whole generation of young people,

00:01:26.040 affected them badly anyway. On the other hand, if you were fortunate enough to have a second home,

00:01:31.960 like a weekend house in a rural area that didn't have COVID restrictions or enforcement officers

00:01:37.020 capable of enforcing them, it was pretty great. If you lived in a traditional world, like say,

00:01:44.640 where your wife didn't work because she didn't have to because you made enough money, you could

00:01:48.260 live a kind of 1950s family existence and you had a coherent family and children who still liked you

00:01:54.220 sort of, and they were all home for months. It was like the best time you had in the last 20

00:01:59.120 years. People don't like to say that out loud, but that's real. And the Iran war is a little bit like

00:02:05.180 that. It's an event that is affecting our lives right now, are certain to define our lives in

00:02:12.280 important ways going forward, an event that's changing the world for all time, an event that

00:02:16.080 people will write books about. And for most, it is a disaster, a true disaster, not just for the

00:02:22.240 thousands who've already been killed or the dozen countries that have been bombed or for the

00:02:27.020 hundreds of thousands of Britons in the UK who've dropped below the poverty line already two months

00:02:32.480 in, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's a disaster. But for some small select group of

00:02:38.600 people, it's been awesome. Let's check in with our old friend, hedge fund manager, Bill Ackman.

00:02:45.660 This was him two days ago in CNBC. Here's how his war is going. Iran has been, I think, a major

00:02:50.960 funder of sort of anti-American protests and kind of otherwise. 1.00

00:02:56.500 I think, you know, that war is a very good one. 1.00

00:03:00.440 A war is a very good one. 1.00

00:03:01.720 Yeah, I think we've...

00:03:03.500 It's very unpopular, though.

00:03:04.840 I don't know.

00:03:05.800 I don't know who's surveys to trust.

00:03:08.020 Look, I think most Republicans, many...

00:03:10.880 Republicans.

00:03:11.580 ...support the president.

00:03:12.820 And it shouldn't be a bipartisan issue.

00:03:16.060 The Iran war is a very good one.

00:03:17.820 Really, says the interviewer on CNBC? 0.84

00:03:20.960 No, really. Yeah, it's a very good one. Is it an unpopular? I don't know about that.

00:03:25.900 And the truth is, Bill Ackman probably doesn't know. He may not know anyone personally who

00:03:30.140 thinks this is a disaster because for Bill Ackman and his friends, the Epstein class,

00:03:33.740 it's been a massive win. And that's been pretty obvious increasingly if you're following markets.

00:03:41.520 So there's this phenomenon that people are starting to catch on to where a certain news

00:03:46.040 Organization predicts serially, many times in a row over the past 20 or so days, an imminent

00:03:52.960 peace agreement between Iran and the United States. Now, that agreement has not materialized.

00:03:58.020 Apparently, we're not actually close to getting one. But at the moment when that's announced,

00:04:02.560 every single time you've seen a massive move in global energy markets and an equity market,

00:04:07.680 stock market, because people are betting that that will have direct effects on the value of

00:04:14.160 stocks and or oil or other commodities. And a little bit before that announcement,

00:04:20.680 every single time you have seen massive bets made on oil futures. You've seen billions of dollars

00:04:28.820 change hands and you can surmise that somebody is getting rich doing this. In fact, you can be

00:04:35.460 absolutely certain. Now, you don't know who. Well, the only thing you know is A, it's happening and

00:04:41.140 B, no one will ever be held to account for it. Now, how do you know that? Because we've seen

00:04:45.020 this a lot. In fact, we saw it, and no one ever wants to remember this, on 9-11. Shortly before

00:04:50.760 9-11, somebody, somebody put big bets in shorts against airline and bank stocks. Those are two

00:04:59.480 businesses that were directly affected by the events of 9-11. Now, we know this happened because

00:05:04.300 these are public markets, so there's a record of it. But we also know, because they admitted it,

00:05:07.760 the FBI figured out who did it. But the FBI never got around to telling us their identity. So the

00:05:14.460 largest federal law enforcement agency has known for 25 years who had foreknowledge of 9-11, and

00:05:19.760 that's demonstrable because they bet against the events of that day before the rest of us experienced

00:05:24.420 them, and has never divulged their identities. Now, we can guess as to why that is. Why would

00:05:30.840 the FBI be protecting people with foreknowledge of 9-11? We don't know for certain what the answer

00:05:36.220 is, but we do know that they are doing it. They did it and they're still doing it. So if the

00:05:41.900 identities of people who bet against 9-11, who shorted airline stocks before 9-11 are somehow

00:05:47.020 classified on national security grounds and you're not allowed to know them, then we can bet safely

00:05:52.560 that whoever is profiting from the Iran war in public markets probably isn't going to get any

00:05:58.360 kind of insider trading violation. Probably not. But one thing we also have learned is that these

00:06:05.860 markets are much more vulnerable, susceptible, maybe based on manipulation than we ever thought.

00:06:12.460 And if you think about it, that's kind of a surprise.

00:06:15.380 Even people who complained about how central the stock market is to the American economy,

00:06:19.440 and you can argue whether we have a real economy, if it's based on anything,

00:06:23.580 that's an academic argument.

00:06:26.360 But even people who thought, wow, we seem a little bit over-invested in public equities markets,

00:06:32.200 kind of assumed they were real.

00:06:35.720 And market's a pretty straightforward proposition.

00:06:37.900 I've got something to sell.

00:06:38.800 You want to buy it.

00:06:41.860 I'll sell it for what you'll buy it for

00:06:44.020 and vice versa.

00:06:44.800 It's transparent by its nature.

00:06:46.460 It's self-correcting.

00:06:47.420 That's the basis of our economic system,

00:06:49.120 capitalism, free market capitalism.

00:06:50.760 It always finds the right level,

00:06:52.980 the rational level,

00:06:53.980 because it's based on the free exchange

00:06:56.040 of money for assets.

00:06:58.640 but that's not what we're seeing now not at all markets are doing things you would not expect

00:07:06.560 markets to do if they were behaving rationally in a free way if they weren't rigged you would see

00:07:13.440 well certain commodities prices including oil go up a lot more they have gold go up a lot more

00:07:18.640 than it has and yet gold and oil and other commodities have stayed far lower than you

00:07:25.520 would rationally expect them to stay after 60 days of terrible news out of the world's

00:07:34.420 center of cold energy production.

00:07:37.240 So the Strait of Hormuz has been closed for months now, in effect.

00:07:41.880 And yet oil, as if airtime tonight, was under 100 bucks a barrel, much lower than it was

00:07:48.880 in, say, 2008.

00:07:51.560 That is bizarre.

00:07:53.220 But it's more than bizarre.

00:07:55.520 it's fake. It is obvious. It's become too obvious to deny over the past couple of months

00:08:01.320 that public markets are not what they told us they were, which is to say open and free

00:08:08.820 and equal for everyone to participate in. It's going to take a long time for that understanding

00:08:15.100 to percolate down to level of retail investors. But the knowledge is there and you can't kind of

00:08:20.040 deny it that some people are getting rich from this and most people aren't. And it's not exactly

00:08:24.780 clear the mechanisms by which they are, but it's very obvious that it's happening. We're not

00:08:30.380 accusing Bill Ackman of participating in this. It's not like Bill Ackman would talk down share

00:08:34.260 prices in publicly traded companies to make money. Oh, wait, he's done that his whole life.

00:08:39.020 But in this specific case, we have no evidence of a crime, assuming it still is a crime.

00:08:44.880 But we can say with great confidence that in this, as in every other war, some people will do just

00:08:51.760 fine. In fact, they will greatly benefit from it, which is one of the reasons we keep having wars,

00:08:56.820 because they are enormously profitable. It's hard for normal people to appreciate that that

00:09:00.840 could possibly be true. People die. Innocents die in foreign countries. Your own country becomes

00:09:06.780 poor. Your own service members die. So you can get rich. Could anyone be that dark?

00:09:13.020 Yeah. And we're watching it now. So there is a part of the population that thinks this has been

00:09:19.400 a very good war. And is he even aware that it might be unpopular with anybody else? Because

00:09:23.840 I haven't met anyone. In the famous words of Pauline Kael, who didn't vote for George McGovern,

00:09:30.500 who lost very badly in 1972. We all live in our own worlds. So Bill Ackman doesn't know anyone

00:09:36.980 who doesn't think this is a great, a great thing. It's a great war. So how's the rest of the country

00:09:43.100 you doing well the chairman of the white house council and economic advisors kevin hassett

00:09:48.660 was called to the lawn today to give an account of the american economy and that's a tough thing

00:09:54.500 to do and we say this with great sympathy and no no personal animus toward mr hassett at all

00:09:58.820 but here's the tape here's what he said so the consumer is really really firing on all cylinders

00:10:06.160 just like the corporate sector you're seeing in the earnings reports and they're doing that

00:10:09.660 because they have so much more money in their pockets.

00:10:12.260 In fact, I had the head of one of the big five banks

00:10:14.440 in my office yesterday

00:10:15.540 going through the credit card data.

00:10:17.360 And just as Secretary Besson said,

00:10:19.440 credit card spending is through the roof.

00:10:21.520 They're spending more on gasoline,

00:10:23.000 but they're spending more on everything else too.

00:10:26.420 Credit card spending is through the roof.

00:10:29.380 That is, now again,

00:10:30.900 you feel bad for the man who has to present those data,

00:10:34.760 those data to the public as if they're a win.

00:10:37.740 But think about this for a second.

00:10:38.880 The average interest rate on a credit card, not even a new credit card, but an existing credit card, which is to say a credit card held by someone with a track record of paying money every month to credit card companies.

00:10:50.460 These are not high-risk credit cards.

00:10:51.560 These are normal credit cards.

00:10:52.740 The average interest rate in the United States right now is 23%.

00:10:57.580 23%.

00:10:59.520 And by the way, that goes up to 36%, probably higher.

00:11:04.960 Probably higher than 36%, but officially 36% is...

00:11:08.880 the highest rate any mainstream credit card will charge you.

00:11:13.660 You could go get a personal bank loan for 11%.

00:11:17.880 So you could borrow money at less than half the rate

00:11:22.440 than you're getting from your credit card company.

00:11:26.440 So why would anybody use a credit card and roll over the interest?

00:11:32.360 40% of American adults cannot repay their credit card balance.

00:11:39.340 That's 111 million people.

00:11:42.260 And they are paying, on average, 23% interest.

00:11:48.600 So that's not a win.

00:11:51.380 That's a sign of desperation and impending poverty.

00:11:55.260 And keep in mind, we are living right now in the final moments before whatever AI is going to bring us.

00:12:03.360 Those data centers being erected in your town, the ones that you are paying for through higher energy costs, through the legacy environmental cleanup you're definitely on the hook for, those data centers are being constructed in order to eliminate half of all American white-collar jobs.

00:12:21.580 So you hate to use the hackneyed cliche, digging your own grave, but it's not entirely an overstatement at this point.

00:12:31.400 Those data centers going in, destroying the landscape in your town, eating up fertile farmland in some cases, certainly making everything uglier and providing almost no jobs.

00:12:42.520 Those are going up in order to facilitate AI.

00:12:46.800 And the one thing, really the only thing we know about AI is it's going to eliminate half of all productive work in the United States.

00:12:55.520 That hasn't happened yet.

00:12:57.000 It's beginning to happen.

00:12:59.060 But all forecasts from the people who are developing it, who have every incentive to downplay the negative effects of the technology they're creating, all the forecasts suggest in the next two or three years, we're going to see economic disruption on a scale we've never even conceived of.

00:13:14.960 Keep in mind that economic change always precipitates, always causes, forces political change.

00:13:26.460 And if the economic change is profound and abrupt enough, it causes revolution.

00:13:32.560 The First and Second World Wars were a reaction to the Industrial Revolution.

00:13:37.040 Of course, Marxism was a reaction to the Industrial Revolution.

00:13:41.240 but no technological change in all of history matches the abrupt and radical change now being

00:13:50.140 promised by the developers of AI. So all of this, the conversation we're having about the American

00:13:56.600 economy and how much money people have and how much they owe, all of that is taking place in

00:14:00.380 the final moments before the economic cataclysm we've been promised by artificial intelligence.

00:14:06.540 so it's not like we can wait 10 years for this whole thing to self-correct for markets to become

00:14:14.740 honest again and for people to make a wage sufficient to buy a home and raise children

00:14:19.460 this is all happening which is to say people are getting poorer and far more indebted

00:14:24.120 on the eve of what we should all be staying up late worrying about and trying to fix but instead

00:14:30.620 No one is worried about it in any position of authority.

00:14:34.640 People seem to be wholly focused on cashing in on it.

00:14:38.020 Build the 40,000-acre data center as soon as you possibly can.

00:14:41.720 Get taxpayers to pay for it, in effect, by shouldering the cost of running it through

00:14:46.820 higher utilities and take as much money off the table as you can while you can.

00:14:52.900 That's what it looks like.

00:14:54.440 Now, maybe that's an ungenerous interpretation.

00:14:56.820 Maybe there are a lot of people who are really trying to build a better tomorrow through

00:15:00.060 AI, and Dell was there are some of those. But big picture, that does seem to be what's going on.

00:15:06.820 And you know that because no one has explained to you how this is going to be good for you.

00:15:10.540 Instead, they're telling you that borrowing money on your credit card is a sign of economic health.

00:15:17.360 It's a sign that we're on the right track. We have more money to spend. That's why we're buying

00:15:20.820 more on our credit cards. No. People who have more money to spend buy things. People who have

00:15:25.680 no money to spend, buy essentials on credit. And that's exactly what is happening.

00:15:32.580 Now, some of that is a reaction to the economic changes already wrought two months in by the war

00:15:38.460 with Iran. Some of it is the downstream effect of years of bad economic planning, years of living

00:15:45.700 in an economy where Bill Ackman makes $8 billion or something with an IQ of 105 with no track

00:15:52.580 record of improving the country or creating anything, basically just leeching off the

00:15:57.440 existing system, plundering it effectively. He hates it when you say that, but he's never

00:16:03.580 explained how what he does for a living is good for the United States or productive in

00:16:07.760 any sense. It's merely extractive, probably worse than lead mining. But all the gains,

00:16:16.660 the substantial gains over the last 20 years have not been broadly shared by americans

00:16:24.280 they've gone upward now that's a moral problem maybe probably but it's certainly a management

00:16:33.320 problem it is a problem of governance at a certain point because it means a huge number

00:16:40.340 of americans let's go the 111 million the number that can't repay their credit card debt

00:16:44.280 who have no vested interest in the system.

00:16:49.100 They have a negative net worth.

00:16:50.760 They don't own anything.

00:16:52.060 They are living here,

00:16:53.920 but they don't see a future for themselves

00:16:57.300 or their families,

00:16:58.060 or they may not have families

00:16:59.140 and they certainly don't own anything worth protecting.

00:17:02.400 And so what does that add up to?

00:17:04.000 Social and political volatility.

00:17:06.760 So you would think the people in charge of the country

00:17:09.460 who are benefiting the most,

00:17:10.600 the people like Bill Ackman,

00:17:11.540 who think it's been a really good war,

00:17:12.740 would be very concerned about this

00:17:14.960 and they would not want to put

00:17:16.060 any more economic pressure

00:17:17.360 on this beleaguered population

00:17:20.380 and particularly on young people

00:17:21.980 who seem to bear the brunt of it.

00:17:24.620 Probably because they have

00:17:25.420 the least political power.

00:17:26.440 So nobody cares what they think.

00:17:27.900 Healthy society would be totally focused 0.99

00:17:29.660 on what young people think

00:17:30.400 because they are building the society 0.97

00:17:32.580 that will outlive

00:17:34.260 the current leadership of that society.

00:17:36.420 But they're ignored.

00:17:38.320 So if you were thinking longitudinally,

00:17:40.560 if you were thinking about

00:17:41.420 what's best over time for your country, your civilization, you'd be focused on them and you

00:17:47.900 would not casually add to their burden. But what we're watching is a kind of frenzy of carelessness,

00:17:57.400 of thoughtlessness, of callousness toward people whose lives have not gotten better

00:18:04.040 over the past 30 years,

00:18:06.360 but gotten measurably worse

00:18:08.620 in every category of measurement.

00:18:13.140 And you hate to pile on

00:18:14.220 and you hate to take the president literally

00:18:16.700 because I've said many times,

00:18:19.640 Trump is not meant to be taken literally,

00:18:22.540 sort of like reading poetry.

00:18:25.100 The theme is what matters.

00:18:26.880 The feeling it evokes is what matters.

00:18:28.720 I've made that argument.

00:18:30.640 And it's often true.

00:18:31.800 But at some point, particularly when you're talking about hard numbers, the prices of commodities, for example, in the middle of a war that is affecting those prices, it is worth paying attention to the president's own estimates of the costs of this voluntary war that he started at the demand of Israel.

00:18:49.720 So here is the president, I think yesterday, explaining his view on oil prices.

00:18:54.340 I also thought oil would go up to 200, 250, maybe 300.

00:18:58.960 And I know it will be short term, but I thought it would go.

00:19:03.120 I look today, it's like at 102.

00:19:06.360 And that's a very small price to pay for getting rid of a nuclear weapon from people that are really mentally deranged.

00:19:17.180 It's 100. I thought it was going to go to 200 or 300.

00:19:21.860 Really?

00:19:22.420 what would $200 a barrel oil mean? Well, we've never had it. We've never had, and these are

00:19:30.880 adjusted numbers. We've never had $200 a barrel Brent crude, period, in world history. But what

00:19:39.220 would happen if we did? Well, I don't know, $10 a gallon for unleaded at the pump, more for diesel,

00:19:47.420 much more for jet fuel.

00:19:49.840 What would that mean?

00:19:50.840 Well, it would mean inflation,

00:19:51.920 possibly hyperinflation.

00:19:53.980 What would $300 a barrel oil,

00:19:57.400 which the president said he imagined we could have,

00:20:00.260 what would that mean?

00:20:01.080 Well, it's not even worth guessing

00:20:02.360 because no one's even modeled it out.

00:20:06.520 No one's even taken the time

00:20:08.000 to write out the formula or guess

00:20:10.460 as to what effect $300 a barrel oil

00:20:13.560 would have on human civilization.

00:20:16.900 but you can be absolutely certain

00:20:19.240 it would be the end of a lot of things

00:20:21.220 that we take for granted.

00:20:23.400 Certainly air travel, jobs.

00:20:28.040 It would be a true disaster

00:20:31.220 on the level of, I don't know,

00:20:34.760 a national tsunami or hurricane.

00:20:37.500 It would affect every person in the United States

00:20:40.260 making less than a million dollars a year.

00:20:43.140 It would crush people.

00:20:44.920 already at $100 in the U.S., $100 oil, you just heard the president say it's $97, something like

00:20:51.580 that. People around the world are worrying about famine because, of course, oil is not just used

00:20:59.340 to produce gasoline and jet fuel and asphalt and kerosene and all the familiar products. It's also

00:21:04.500 used to produce fertilizer, all kinds of petrochemicals used in manufacturing, but

00:21:08.720 fertilizer. And without it, crop yields go down and people starve in the most populated continent

00:21:17.600 in the world, which would be sub-Saharan Africa. So already you are seeing a massive human cost,

00:21:24.800 not well-reported in American media, to a relatively small spike in global oil prices.

00:21:32.480 And here you have the president saying, I thought it could be 300 bucks.

00:21:34.960 that's that's like saying well i thought they might drop a neutron bomb on chicago but you

00:21:43.320 know i just want to risk it no president should ever be willing to talk that casually about the

00:21:50.280 economic destruction of his nation the justification for it it's worth it said the president because 0.53

00:22:00.040 Iran had nuclear weapons

00:22:02.760 and you can't look crazy.

00:22:03.840 People have nuclear weapons.

00:22:05.020 So it's almost not worth

00:22:05.800 rebutting that with the facts,

00:22:08.420 which are as follows.

00:22:10.300 Iran did not have a nuclear weapon.

00:22:12.400 It did not have ICBMs

00:22:13.660 to deliver that weapon

00:22:14.840 here or anywhere near here.

00:22:16.700 It did not have

00:22:17.280 an active nuclear weapons program

00:22:18.680 in the American

00:22:19.360 intelligence community.

00:22:20.840 All 18 separate agencies

00:22:22.480 determined that conclusively

00:22:23.900 after studying it for years

00:22:25.600 and with the motivation

00:22:27.220 to find said nuclear program,

00:22:29.700 they couldn't. So no, Iran did not have a nuclear weapon. It was nowhere near getting a nuclear

00:22:35.320 weapon, despite the lying you have often heard. That was not even an imminent threat. It was not

00:22:40.880 close to an imminent threat, despite the fact the Israelis had told us in the US Congress for over

00:22:44.960 20 years that it was an imminent threat, that was a lie. But you have to ask yourself, even if it

00:22:49.600 was true, would that justify destroying the American economy? Would it justify, I don't know,

00:22:57.160 driving 200,000 Britons into poverty in two months.

00:23:01.360 And that's just the opening salvo.

00:23:02.940 Would it justify a famine in Africa?

00:23:06.580 No one wants to say it.

00:23:07.680 There are a lot of countries with nuclear weapons.

00:23:09.300 You don't want any of them to have nuclear weapons

00:23:10.800 because any normal person thinks nuclear weapons are bad

00:23:12.940 because they are, by definition,

00:23:14.760 weapons of mass destruction that kill innocents.

00:23:16.720 So they are bad as a category.

00:23:18.960 But there are a lot of countries that have them,

00:23:21.660 including countries with, well,

00:23:23.680 leaderships that are filled with religious extremists, like Israel and Pakistan, and in a

00:23:29.540 way, North Korea. And the world has been able to continue for now almost 30 years with a nuclear 0.77

00:23:37.320 on Pakistan. It's not ideal. Maybe we should have done something during the Clinton administration 0.77

00:23:41.600 to stop it. But we haven't had to destroy the American economy in order to do something about

00:23:49.100 it since then? Of course not. And in fact, the deeper truth is that there is a kind of stability

00:23:57.040 as bad as nuclear weapons are when rival nations possess them. India and Pakistan, 0.54

00:24:06.760 which are countries with a long, almost 80-year history of hating each other and many wars in

00:24:12.480 the interim have managed to fight fairly bitter conflicts since 1947 without using nuclear weapons

00:24:21.480 against each other. How is that possible? Well, the mutually assured destruction principle,

00:24:27.280 which as ugly as it sounds, is real. It's absolutely real. What you don't want is a

00:24:34.460 nation that feels no constraints whatsoever, that feels it can do whatever it wants. It feels it can

00:24:39.140 roll into its neighbor's sovereign territory and expel the population and kill people. 0.96

00:24:44.720 This is exactly, we thought, the lesson of World War II. That's bad. 0.85

00:24:49.320 But that's kind of what you get when you have a country that feels it has unconstrained power.

00:24:54.740 It can do whatever it wants. What does it tend to do? Well, whatever it wants.

00:24:59.820 And so you could at least make the case academically, even if you disagreed with

00:25:03.140 the whole idea of nuclear weapons and thought they were probably inherently evil,

00:25:07.760 even if you wondered where they came from in the first place, even if you had dark

00:25:11.600 suspicions about the genesis of nuclear weapons, and some of us do, you could still

00:25:15.540 make the case on a pragmatic basis that

00:25:18.760 look at the effects. Look at the effects. They are less bad

00:25:23.620 than this. So that's the explanation

00:25:27.580 from the president. You can see why an administration

00:25:31.580 that had higher levels of support from young people a year

00:25:35.740 and a half ago than any Republican in memory, young people came out for Donald Trump to vote

00:25:39.780 for Donald Trump. Why did they do that? Because they are dissatisfied with the system as it is.

00:25:46.160 They understand it is rigged against them, comma, because it is. And they felt that here was one

00:25:51.980 man strong enough to stand up against that system. They tried to put him in jail. They tried to

00:25:57.820 impeach him twice. Here was a guy who understood he was up against and would take it on and was

00:26:03.280 brave enough to do that. And a year and a half in, what they've seen is a guy who got an office

00:26:08.960 and immediately took the side of the people who persecuted him. For the preceding eight years,

00:26:14.660 he took their side and became their most valiant champion and began to persecute their enemies

00:26:22.000 as he himself had once been persecuted. He switched teams. And they look at this,

00:26:28.540 And they may not understand all of the details, but they look at this in horror and they feel

00:26:33.820 betrayed.

00:26:34.540 And that is obvious from the polling numbers.

00:26:38.040 And these are polling numbers that are so stark that you can't actually lie about them.

00:26:42.320 You can't spin them.

00:26:45.040 Donald Trump's drop in support among voters under 30 is precipitous.

00:26:49.860 It's off a cliff.

00:26:51.940 And there are a lot of reasons for this. 0.55

00:26:53.800 The Iran war, the refusal to release the Epstein files.

00:26:57.260 the mounting debt that most of them carry?

00:27:02.240 How's your average 27-year-old,

00:27:04.240 five years out of college,

00:27:06.320 hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt

00:27:07.900 from this four-year college

00:27:09.860 was supposed to make the difference

00:27:11.020 between getting ahead and staying in your hometown

00:27:13.920 and stagnating in some dead-end job?

00:27:17.380 That kid likely has a negative net worth

00:27:20.120 five years out of college.

00:27:21.940 And in many cases, they're told,

00:27:23.580 point blank, we can't hire you

00:27:24.980 because of how you look.

00:27:27.260 how do you think kids like that feel about donald trump well you should talk to some

00:27:33.520 so at this point you have to ask what's the solution what are people like that voters like

00:27:42.180 that young people not exclusively but heavily young people what are they looking for well

00:27:47.640 probably what all people are looking for honesty fairness decency a sense of humor

00:27:55.620 courage a willingness to actually stand up and fight entrenched power that's what they're

00:28:03.160 looking for and who do they look to well there aren't many one of them is a guy called thomas

00:28:08.660 massey he's a member of congress from the commonwealth of kentucky not the most important

00:28:14.120 state of the union not when you hear about too much he's a member of congress one of 435

00:28:18.460 you may have heard his name why thomas massey is in his district and probably nationally but

00:28:25.040 certainly we know for a fact in his district, the most popular person among young voters,

00:28:29.300 80% approval rating among young voters. Why is that? Well, once again, because Thomas Massey

00:28:35.300 has made good on the promises that Donald Trump made to the nation, to these very same people

00:28:41.080 who supported him in 2024, and he stuck with it. Thomas Massey is a better standard bearer

00:28:49.380 for Trumpism, for the America first ideology that Donald Trump ran on three times,

00:28:55.260 that Donald Trump is a far better spokesman for that because he has not changed.

00:29:00.700 And moreover, he's a thoroughly decent man.

00:29:04.900 Cheerful, kind, loves his family, his children love him.

00:29:11.200 He's self-reliant.

00:29:13.540 He is, in short, the American they told us we should aspire to be.

00:29:19.380 a man who doesn't brag about himself,

00:29:23.520 who says what he means,

00:29:24.940 who stays true to his word,

00:29:26.440 and who in the end,

00:29:27.480 if it all falls apart,

00:29:28.520 could take care of himself and his family.

00:29:30.100 That's the American ideal.

00:29:32.120 And that is Thomas Massey.

00:29:34.440 That's not fake.

00:29:35.560 That's real.

00:29:36.740 And that's obvious in the way

00:29:37.960 that he behaves in public

00:29:39.080 as a member of Congress.

00:29:40.080 And it's obvious in the way

00:29:41.240 that he lives at home

00:29:42.320 in the farm he lives in,

00:29:44.920 in the house that he built with his hands.

00:29:46.580 he is the man you want your son to be and so you would think at this point thomas massey

00:29:55.720 would have the full support of the republican establishment in washington oh no just the

00:30:02.400 opposite thomas massey has like three allies in the house of representatives a lot of people who

00:30:06.440 like him personally but only a very few who are willing to support him publicly because he has

00:30:10.500 become the number one enemy of the trump administration well how did that happen how

00:30:14.780 did a guy who ran for office on a clearer, more precise version of Trump's own platform

00:30:21.540 who had 75 percent approval in the last election from his own voters, how did that guy become the

00:30:28.560 number one person the Trump administration wants to destroy 13 days from today in the Republican

00:30:33.900 primary in Kentucky? How did that happen? Well, there are a lot of reasons, but it seems pretty

00:30:41.700 obvious this all began in this room on this show almost exactly two years ago in a two-hour-long

00:30:48.180 interview we did with Thomas Massey about a bunch of different topics, including his off-grid

00:30:52.520 homestead that he built with himself, his own hands. He, at one point, described the experience

00:31:00.680 of serving in Congress and being asked to carry water for a foreign power, Israel. Now, Thomas

00:31:07.080 Massey has never been hot on the topic of Israel. Thomas Massey probably hasn't spent 20 minutes

00:31:11.440 in his entire life talking about Israel

00:31:13.520 or thinking about Israel.

00:31:14.460 He doesn't hate Israel now.

00:31:17.100 It's leadership, Israelis.

00:31:18.780 He's kind of agnostic on the whole question, even now.

00:31:22.560 But at the time, two years ago,

00:31:24.040 Thomas Massey committed

00:31:25.440 probably the most dangerous sin

00:31:27.440 you can commit in Washington.

00:31:28.700 He explained how the process works.

00:31:30.960 How is it that members of Congress arrive there

00:31:33.120 with a plan to help their constituents and their nation

00:31:35.380 and wind up spending such a huge percentage of their time 0.99

00:31:38.960 doing the bidding of a tiny Middle Eastern country

00:31:41.740 of 9 million people.

00:31:42.960 How does that happen?

00:31:44.020 Well, part of the process revolves

00:31:46.160 around a group called AIPAC,

00:31:47.820 the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

00:31:50.460 Here is Thomas Massey's fateful description

00:31:52.860 of the process in Congress.

00:31:55.420 Watch.

00:31:56.480 There's a foreign interest group called AIPAC

00:31:59.040 that got the ear of this current speaker

00:32:01.780 and demanded 16 votes in April

00:32:04.560 on Israel or the Middle East.

00:32:06.800 We haven't had 16 votes in April

00:32:08.620 on the united states in congress it's a group of americans who lobby on behalf of israel they're

00:32:15.580 for anything israel um and they're very effective lobbying group they get in there they uh they try

00:32:23.320 to get me to write a white paper as a candidate for instance for congress they almost get on on

00:32:29.420 what on israel like and i wouldn't do it and they said why and i'm like i don't do homework for

00:32:35.840 lobbyists right i'm like i didn't learn i didn't like writing term papers at college i'm not

00:32:40.800 writing one for you what did they say they said oh well here just copy ran paul's term paper and

00:32:48.240 put your name on it we'll accept that and i'm like no i'm still not cribbing somebody else's

00:32:53.520 homework to do homework i'm not turning in my homework for you and what you're laughing but

00:33:01.660 you know what i bet uh i may be the only republican in congress who hasn't done homework for

00:33:07.300 apac and it's just what it is it's conditioning they want you to do something very simple and

00:33:12.940 benign and you know for them they don't really they don't really grade your term paper they just

00:33:17.940 want to know that you'll do something for them and if you'll do something for them as a candidate

00:33:21.640 you're more likely to do something for them as as a congressman when you get in there

00:33:27.360 You will never hear the Israel lobby

00:33:30.620 describe more precisely

00:33:32.040 the humiliation rituals included,

00:33:33.840 which are a key part of the process.

00:33:35.520 Debase yourself,

00:33:37.020 and then you serve us always.

00:33:39.600 But you'll never hear it described more precisely,

00:33:41.420 but also more good-naturedly.

00:33:43.460 Massey isn't mad.

00:33:44.460 He finds the whole thing hilarious.

00:33:45.960 I'm a member of Congress.

00:33:46.800 I'm not doing homework for you.

00:33:48.320 And he laughs,

00:33:49.700 and he means it.

00:33:51.060 And his cheerfulness is real.

00:33:52.440 It's not a pose.

00:33:53.720 He's not angry at AIPAC.

00:33:55.120 He's just not playing along.

00:33:56.460 He's an American.

00:33:57.440 He doesn't have to play along.

00:33:58.820 Get out of my way.

00:33:59.760 Stop.

00:34:01.040 He smiles, moves on to the things he cares about,

00:34:03.660 like keeping the United States from going bankrupt.

00:34:08.120 That is the way.

00:34:10.420 That is the way right there.

00:34:13.060 That reveals a total unwillingness to play along

00:34:17.540 with someone else's charade,

00:34:19.180 to become someone else's servant or slave

00:34:21.020 without any hatred at all.

00:34:23.960 Thomas Massey isn't mad

00:34:25.620 because he knows he can't be controlled.

00:34:28.200 He's not a rich man, but you can't bribe him.

00:34:30.220 He has everything he wants.

00:34:31.600 He's not mad at you.

00:34:32.760 You've got your agenda,

00:34:33.620 but he's not going to serve it under any circumstances.

00:34:36.860 Go away.

00:34:39.400 Because Thomas Massey is not a hater,

00:34:42.180 because his position is rooted in principle

00:34:45.080 and good-natured cheerfulness

00:34:47.320 and American self-reliance and decency,

00:34:49.920 and that's so obvious to everyone who watches him,

00:34:52.440 he became the number one threat.

00:34:55.620 And next thing you know, the president's favorite political consultant, Chris LaCivita, 0.99

00:35:02.560 Chris LaCivita, is tweeting that Thomas Massey is, quote, garbage. Garbage? You just call that 1.00

00:35:11.280 man garbage? A political consultant has the brass to call that man garbage. A guy who literally 1.00

00:35:18.200 sells his allegiance to whoever will pay him is calling that man garbage. Yes. Now, why would 0.99

00:35:25.540 Chris Lasavita say that? Well, because he's been hired by an Israeli called Miriam Adelson,

00:35:32.160 a woman who was married to the late Sheldon Adelson, who made billions in the gambling industry,

00:35:37.760 now mostly in China, who was one of, if not the single biggest contributor to Donald Trump's

00:35:44.220 campaign last time. Now, she may be an American citizen, but she was asked point blank by the

00:35:48.400 president on camera, what country are you more loyal to, the United States or Israel? 0.87

00:35:54.160 And she indicated very clearly Israel, which is her right, of course.

00:35:58.840 But she kind of, in stating that, gives up her right to influence American politics. 0.84

00:36:04.340 People with loyalties, self-professed loyalties to other nations should not be involved in our

00:36:09.100 politics. They certainly shouldn't be central players in our politics. And yet,

00:36:14.220 Now she is, as she was in the last election.

00:36:17.960 Miriam Adelson, who it's not clear has ever been to Kentucky,

00:36:22.440 is spending, through Chris LaCivita,

00:36:25.780 the president's political consultant, 0.99

00:36:28.120 who has decided Thomas Massey is garbage, 1.00

00:36:31.620 human garbage, 1.00

00:36:33.240 whatever it takes to take the seat away from him 1.00

00:36:36.900 because he committed the crime of describing

00:36:40.100 how things actually work in the U.S. Congress.

00:36:42.860 and that cannot be allowed.

00:36:44.580 And it's a lesson to others.

00:36:46.080 Future Thomas Massey's,

00:36:47.740 anyone who gets the idea

00:36:48.680 that maybe I'll get to Congress

00:36:49.520 and tell the truth

00:36:50.100 about how things actually work.

00:36:51.620 Maybe I'll put my own country,

00:36:53.320 my own community,

00:36:54.100 my own people ahead of other concerns

00:36:57.460 that have nothing to do

00:36:58.560 with this country or its people.

00:37:00.500 Maybe I'll let those people know,

00:37:02.480 don't bother because you'll be crushed.

00:37:05.780 You won't win.

00:37:06.680 And if you do,

00:37:07.820 there'll be Chris Lasavita out there 0.99

00:37:09.360 calling you garbage, 1.00

00:37:10.400 attacking your wife as they have. 1.00

00:37:12.860 spending tens of millions of dollars against you

00:37:16.400 just to make sure that no one else tries to be you ever.

00:37:21.560 All of which leads to where we are right now,

00:37:24.480 which is a moment where a Republican congressional primary

00:37:30.100 in Kentucky is the single most important political race of the year.

00:37:37.860 Because if they are successful in doing this,

00:37:40.540 crushing a man, defaming a man,

00:37:43.200 slandering a man, attacking his family

00:37:45.120 purely for the crime of telling the truth

00:37:47.380 about them,

00:37:48.820 about how they operate,

00:37:50.220 about the nature of the Epstein class,

00:37:52.360 then you have to wonder

00:37:54.820 why are we voting in the first place?

00:37:57.300 What is the point of all of this?

00:37:59.100 Is there a reason to participate

00:38:00.520 in the process?

00:38:02.060 If in the end, 1.00

00:38:03.180 some Israeli casino lady can come in 1.00

00:38:05.540 and just determine the outcome 1.00

00:38:06.740 with Chris LaCivita?

00:38:08.960 That's not democracy.

00:38:11.360 It's not even a poor facsimile of democracy.

00:38:18.080 It's just straight up teeth-beared oligarchy. 0.96

00:38:21.560 It's shut up and obey.

00:38:22.900 It's a foretaste of life under AI.

00:38:26.040 It's the control grid, actually.

00:38:30.220 And so while we can, it's probably worth doing whatever it takes

00:38:34.140 within the bounds of the law to prevent that from happening.

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00:41:37.740 And so for the second time in two years,

00:41:41.300 here is Thomas Massey in his own words.

00:41:44.980 Thomas Massey, thank you for doing this.

00:41:46.740 You've got a primary in less than two weeks, 13 days.

00:41:49.580 And so to take the time to come here,

00:41:51.640 we're grateful for it.

00:41:53.180 Um, it seems like this is, this primary is more than a primary. It's a window into what MAGA has become. And it's a referendum, I would argue on democracy itself. And so just to frame the conversation around that idea, what was your margin of victory in the last race in Kentucky?

00:42:16.020 In the last race, primary, I got 75% of the vote.

00:42:20.340 There was somebody that got 13% and somebody got 12.

00:42:23.780 75% of the vote.

00:42:25.600 And in the race before that, I got 76%.

00:42:27.980 And then the race before that, I got 81%.

00:42:30.500 81%.

00:42:31.420 Now, the race you get 81%, you were already having conflict with Trump at the time, right?

00:42:36.220 Yeah.

00:42:36.500 At the time, he was saying to throw me out of the party, called me a third-rate grandstander,

00:42:40.680 to which I claim I'm at least second-rate. 0.74

00:42:44.520 Fair.

00:42:45.480 So I'm going through this because I think it leads to today and it makes a really interesting point.

00:42:52.000 So what is the current polling in your race?

00:42:55.040 It's a single point lead for me.

00:42:58.420 It's not very fluid.

00:43:00.260 They've spent $10 million against me.

00:43:03.600 And when I say they, I hope we get into they.

00:43:06.560 Yes.

00:43:08.040 And it's going to be close.

00:43:09.780 The result is going to be based on who turns out.

00:43:14.020 So it was 81% margin, 76, 75, like full on blowouts in the Republican primary in your

00:43:21.300 district in Kentucky.

00:43:22.160 And now it's within a couple of points and you could lose.

00:43:25.900 And the difference is they have spent $10 million against you.

00:43:30.960 So I don't think anyone would dispute that.

00:43:33.160 That's the difference. 0.90

00:43:33.960 The money poured into this race from outside of Kentucky is basically pushing you to the

00:43:39.580 point of almost losing and you may lose.

00:43:42.860 Where'd that money come from?

00:43:44.020 Well, it didn't come from regular people. It's come from billionaires and 95% of it, at least 95% has come from the Israeli lobby. So I'll give you their proxies. The RJC, which is the Republican Jewish Coalition, AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Miriam Adelson, Paul Singer, and John Paulson went together.

00:44:08.660 They funded a PAC called MAGA Kentucky, which is neither MAGA nor Kentucky.

00:44:14.680 But when the ad was—

00:44:15.640 Any of them live—no, who are those three people? 0.64

00:44:18.180 They have been—Miriam Adelson is the gambling magnet who ironically makes money from the Chinese now gambling and not in Las Vegas so much. 0.99

00:44:27.780 And she's literally an Israeli. 0.96

00:44:29.040 Yeah, she was born there.

00:44:31.080 She's given over $200 million to the president.

00:44:34.420 He puts her on the stage.

00:44:35.400 He says that she's influenced his own policy and attitudes toward Israel.

00:44:40.520 And so she's trying to buy a congressional seat in Kentucky, along with the rest of these

00:44:45.160 groups that are probably, by the way, getting her money as well.

00:44:48.940 There's also another interesting faction called Christians United for Israel.

00:44:54.140 They're really just another wing of AIPAC and RJC that's been used to co-opt Christians

00:45:00.620 into supporting their position. 0.87

00:45:02.820 And their position is more war. It's more strife. It's more bombs. It's send more foreign aid. And those are the things that I've been voting against. So the real reason that this race is a serious race and I may lose is because a foreign lobby has fully funded to the extent that they've never done in any Republican race ever before my opponent.

00:45:31.720 It's interesting because you're not, I don't think of you as an opponent of Israel or a

00:45:35.920 hater of Jews, an anti-Semite, a man with hate in his heart or anything.

00:45:39.580 I don't think those topics have defined your terms in Congress so far, have they?

00:45:44.440 No, you can't go find even a xenophobic tweet or Facebook post from me in my entire life.

00:45:50.580 I'm the least xenophobic.

00:45:53.440 You know, I went to MIT, which is a real melting pot of different nationalities and races.

00:46:00.780 and ethnicities. And it was a meritocracy. And that's what I'm used to is just, you know,

00:46:06.700 come to me with your ideas. I don't care what color your skin is or who your parents were.

00:46:12.200 And let's talk about things. But it turns out that I've never voted for foreign aid.

00:46:18.560 And in fact, I've offered- For Israel?

00:46:20.720 For Israel, for Egypt, for Ukraine.

00:46:22.980 For anybody.

00:46:23.520 For anybody. In fact, I've offered amendments as soon as I got to Congress. In 2013,

00:46:28.400 I had an amendment to defund the foreign aid to Egypt, which seemed like a good idea at the time

00:46:33.640 because they were in the middle of a coup. This is how ridiculous our foreign aid is. We didn't 0.54

00:46:38.580 even know who was going to control the capital. There were tanks in the streets, and we didn't

00:46:42.980 know who the leader was. And my colleagues insisted on sending the billions of dollars

00:46:47.800 to Egypt anyway. The question is, who's going to cash the check when it gets there? So I've got a

00:46:54.760 complete track record of voting against all foreign aid. But it turns out there's one lobby

00:47:01.940 that's very upset about that, and that's the Israeli lobby. And so you're right, this is a

00:47:06.840 referendum. It's a referendum. The question we're putting to the people is, are you going to let a

00:47:12.140 foreign country or lobbyists for that foreign country buy a seat in Kentucky and displace

00:47:20.160 the one congressman who will tell you what's in the bills, who will explain his votes. I explain

00:47:26.620 all of my votes, especially on controversial bills on social media to where anybody can see.

00:47:34.440 So your position is that it's not your position as much as it's the fact you're willing to

00:47:39.440 disclose what's actually happening behind the scenes. Correct. So to add evidence to that claim,

00:47:46.280 The last time you were on this show was almost exactly two years ago.

00:47:50.480 It was a little later in May, I think.

00:47:52.080 You had just won your primary, 75%.

00:47:54.580 Yes.

00:47:55.000 And so you decided to come up here, and we have this amazing conversation,

00:47:58.700 mostly about you and your life and the self-sufficiency with what you live

00:48:02.260 and how you built your house.

00:48:03.620 It's an amazing story.

00:48:05.080 We're going to repost that video soon because I want people to see it before the primary.

00:48:09.480 But in the middle of that conversation, you said,

00:48:12.440 yeah, there's this group called APAC,

00:48:14.060 and here's how they go about corralling support in the Congress.

00:48:18.060 And they have minders that follow you around

00:48:19.900 and I just don't hate Israel. 0.67

00:48:21.560 I don't support foreign aid to anybody

00:48:23.580 and I don't have an AIPAC minder.

00:48:27.120 And I remember thinking,

00:48:28.700 boy, I've never heard anybody explain how this works

00:48:31.840 in the way that you did.

00:48:33.620 I felt like that conversation was a pivot point

00:48:36.260 in your political life.

00:48:38.720 It was, and you know what's interesting,

00:48:40.580 in the two years that have transpired since then,

00:48:42.720 not one of my colleagues has said I'm wrong, right? Did anybody come out and say, oh,

00:48:49.580 he's full of it. I don't have an AIPAC person that I go to dinner with every time they come

00:48:54.640 to DC and back in the district. Nobody said that. I mean, they all have an AIPAC person.

00:49:01.320 Now, some of them may not know that they're an AIPAC person, but they've all got an AIPAC person.

00:49:07.040 And by the way, I have a lot of Jewish friends.

00:49:10.700 And since that interview,

00:49:12.200 they joked that they're secretly my AIPAC person, right?

00:49:15.920 When in fact, they're not.

00:49:17.940 But it wasn't just that you voted against AIPAC's priorities

00:49:22.880 or some of them anyway, which you did,

00:49:25.520 because there are people who have done that before,

00:49:28.400 but you described and you opened to public view the process.

00:49:33.460 You pulled the curtain back.

00:49:34.820 Correct.

00:49:35.420 And that was the crime.

00:49:36.380 Right. The crime is transparency. It's not obstructionism because the votes they're most upset about me for were 420 to 1 or 421 to 1 or 410 to 5, right? Like, show me in any of those cases where my single vote out of, you know, 435, if everybody had been present, was obstructionist. It wasn't.

00:50:00.980 What happened, though, is people said, who's the one person that voted against that? And then they go to my social media and then they read the bill and they're like, what the hell? Why did my congressman vote for that? What's what are the other 420 smoking? Right. And so or what are they getting for that vote? Why did they take that vote? Why were they intimidated into taking that vote?

00:50:22.620 And that's the problem that I'm causing this foreign lobby, is I'm causing people to ask questions for the first time.

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00:50:33.340 How much money do they get from AIPAC?

00:50:35.940 Why did they vote for that bill that bans passages in the New Testament, you know, that infringement on the First Amendment?

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00:52:39.860 Okay. So because you revealed that, you got this swarm of big donors laying down big money to get you out of your seat. And you said basically revolves around three, Paulson, Singer, and Adelson. Have they described why they're doing this?

00:53:00.800 Why would a casino magnet or a hedge fund manager, private equity guy, distressed debt

00:53:06.820 buyer like Paul Singer, like why would they care what happens in a Republican primary

00:53:12.820 in Kentucky of all places?

00:53:15.880 It's to silence me.

00:53:18.180 It's so that I shut up.

00:53:19.640 Look, if I lose on May 19th, I'll be out of Congress on January 3rd of next year.

00:53:26.120 And nobody's going to follow my Twitter.

00:53:28.480 Nobody's going to go to my Facebook page to see what's going on.

00:53:31.640 I won't be invited down into the secret skiffs to read the secret interpretations of the

00:53:36.820 laws that the executive branch is using to spy on you.

00:53:41.420 I'll be gone.

00:53:42.420 The one whistleblower, if you will, in Congress will be gone.

00:53:46.600 And let me tell you who's on the other side of this, who's funding me.

00:53:50.780 I've got, and this is miraculous, I think, you know, you called it a referendum.

00:53:54.660 to, I think it may be a movement within the MAGA movement is what we're seeing because I've got

00:54:00.640 over 33,000 donors and the average donation is less than 94 bucks. These people, they don't have

00:54:07.400 a lot of money to give, but they can't be intimidated, right? By the White House, they

00:54:12.220 can't have their environmental permits pulled on a big data center. The government of Washington,

00:54:20.260 D.C. doesn't have that kind of leverage on individual, normal people. So those are the

00:54:24.520 people who are funding me in this race. And if you want to be one of them, you can go to

00:54:29.900 MasseyMoneyBomb.com.

00:54:31.900 MasseyMoneyBomb.com.

00:54:32.840 Yeah, because we've raised almost $200,000 in the last two days just by going out there and saying,

00:54:39.240 you know, help me fight back. We've got to have some ads to run against these billionaires.

00:54:46.780 So what do you think the full money breakdown is?

00:54:49.600 And without getting boring about it,

00:54:50.700 I don't think people understand exactly

00:54:52.180 how these campaigns are funded.

00:54:53.500 So there's, you can send money

00:54:54.780 to someone running for office,

00:54:56.620 but there are limits to how much you can send.

00:54:58.500 You can send to something called a super PAC

00:55:00.080 and there are no limits at all.

00:55:02.180 So it's hard to kind of figure out, isn't it?

00:55:04.260 Exactly how much is being spent? 1.00

00:55:05.660 Yeah, I think it'll be after the race

00:55:07.560 when people finally are able to compile the spreadsheets

00:55:10.220 and look at the money.

00:55:11.600 A lot of the donors won't be disclosed until July.

00:55:14.540 the super PAC donors because they're on a six-month reporting cycle, whereas I have to

00:55:19.340 disclose big donors every two days now once we get inside of a window with a campaign.

00:55:24.260 But you've got super PACs on each side, and there's a super PAC helping me, not as large

00:55:29.920 as the Israeli super PACs, of which there are three, but there's a super PAC helping

00:55:35.580 me.

00:55:35.940 Now, as far as hard dollar campaign money from real people, I've raised over $5 million this

00:55:42.780 election cycle, which is probably more than I've raised in the entire time that I've been in

00:55:47.700 Congress. Really? Oh, yeah. I usually raise a couple hundred thousand, maybe four hundred

00:55:52.300 thousand dollars in election cycle. This time I've raised over five million. It's because this

00:55:57.440 situation is dire. Now, the other side, you might say, OK, well, how much money has he raised for

00:56:02.680 his campaign? He's raised about one or one point two million per quarter for two quarters. So he's

00:56:08.720 maybe raised two and a half million dollars at most. But if you go look at where did that money

00:56:13.300 come from, I think because of the show I did with you two years ago, APAC sort of gone in hiding

00:56:19.740 and they're trying to secretly funnel money to campaigns. And what we've realized and deduced

00:56:27.120 is that they're funneling money, hard dollars, not the super PAC dollars, but they're funneling

00:56:33.060 money from their donors to his campaign through a vendor, a payment vendor called Democracy Engine.

00:56:39.900 It was started by one of the people who started ActBlue. It's not a conservative, if you will.

00:56:45.440 ActBlue, the Democratic, yep, bundler.

00:56:47.460 Yeah. So it's primarily a left-leaning payment vendor. I use a payment vendor called Anodot,

00:56:53.600 and some people use WinRed. Probably you're familiar with that.

00:56:56.400 I am.

00:56:56.540 So when you see something come through a payment vendor called Democracy Engine,

00:57:03.060 particularly $50,000 per quarter.

00:57:07.340 So if somebody's reported $50,000 of expenses

00:57:11.800 to Democracy Engine,

00:57:13.540 and if the payment vendor, Democracy Engine,

00:57:15.780 has been charging 5%,

00:57:17.080 that means a million dollars of money

00:57:19.660 came through that payment vendor.

00:57:21.160 And we've seen that in both of his quarters.

00:57:24.160 So basically, as far as we can tell,

00:57:27.360 about a million dollars of his 1.2 million every quarter

00:57:31.380 that you would think may have come from grandmas

00:57:34.000 who are digging deep in their pockets

00:57:36.140 when they get an email from Trump

00:57:38.100 that says, give to this guy.

00:57:39.780 That's not where his money's coming from.

00:57:41.520 It's coming from AIPAC donors.

00:57:43.680 And then-

00:57:44.280 AIPAC donors were using a democratic fundraising operation

00:57:47.080 to get the money to your opponent.

00:57:48.940 Correct.

00:57:49.840 By the way, one of these super PACs

00:57:51.460 that's aligned against me,

00:57:52.680 United Democracy Project, UDP, 0.54

00:57:55.620 they are a pro-abortion, pro-gay rights,

00:57:59.400 left, like, not just left-leaning,

00:58:03.440 like, majorly left a super PAC.

00:58:05.920 And they are full-on, in my race,

00:58:09.000 funding my opponent against me.

00:58:11.840 This is insane.

00:58:13.780 It is insane.

00:58:15.080 I do think it might be a couple years from now

00:58:18.140 when AI gets smart enough and honest enough

00:58:20.940 in the competition of AIs

00:58:23.080 that it will tell you exactly what happened in this race.

00:58:27.420 Whether I win or lose,

00:58:28.800 It can go back, look at the data, and tell you, well, here's what happened.

00:58:33.420 A congressman from Kentucky was challenged, and 95% or 99% of the money came from an Israeli lobby to take him out for merely telling the truth.

00:58:45.260 And not even attacking Israel.

00:58:47.340 I mean, that's the thing.

00:58:48.820 You didn't even attack Israel.

00:58:50.240 You're not even hostile toward Israel.

00:58:52.920 You're not muttering about the Jews.

00:58:54.940 It has nothing to do with that at all.

00:58:56.480 Well, it's just, you just don't think the U.S. government should be sending money to foreign

00:58:59.500 countries, right? I mean, right. And by the way, that's the position of my constituents.

00:59:03.580 So what kind of TV ads are they running against me back in Kentucky? Are they saying

00:59:07.580 Congress and Massey doesn't vote to give money to foreign countries? You know, let's fire him.

00:59:14.420 No, they don't run that ad. They run ads that distort my record. They'll take a bill that had

00:59:20.240 3,000 pages in it, pull a page out of that bill and say he voted against this. You know, it could

00:59:26.140 be a pay raise for the soldiers or something like that. To try and turn you into a liberal.

00:59:30.940 Correct. That's what they want to make it look like. Which is hilarious.

00:59:35.200 By the way, if I could make one reform to Congress. So I voted for balanced budget

00:59:40.320 amendment. I voted for term limits. But the biggest constraint, the most helpful thing for

00:59:44.280 our republic would be if every bill had to address only a single issue. Amen. Amen.

00:59:49.980 Because right now we take thousands of votes, but they're post offices and non-binding resolutions and things like that to make it look like we're busy all year round.

01:00:01.440 But it usually boils down to two or three votes every year that are consequential, must-pass pieces of legislation, then have everything in them.

01:00:12.040 And that's the problem.

01:00:13.200 Let me give you an example on the big, beautiful bill.

01:00:15.280 there by the way there are maybe three or four sins and i'll put that in air quotes that i

01:00:22.780 committed against the swamp um that got me into this situation and um one of those is i was the

01:00:31.040 only republican who didn't vote for mike johnson to be the speaker um the second was you were the

01:00:36.540 only republican mike johnson turned out to be the worst speaker of the house in the history of this

01:00:40.760 country. Ever. And we've had some bad ones. Yes. John Boehner, Paul Ryan. Yeah. So I didn't vote

01:00:47.920 for the speaker. Twice, at least twice, they brought up a continuing resolution of Joe Biden's

01:00:54.600 budget. And I'm like, wait, I thought we control the House, the Senate and the White House. Why

01:00:59.840 are we just going to keep going on autopilot with all the things Joe Biden did? Yet they did. And

01:01:05.740 I voted against those things. And in fact, in one of those bills, they attached an amendment

01:01:10.560 that had nothing to do with the budget

01:01:12.240 to kill the hemp industry in Kentucky.

01:01:15.160 Like the hemp industry is almost dead.

01:01:17.060 It's like, you know,

01:01:18.700 hundreds of millions of dollars,

01:01:20.580 thousands of jobs wiped out

01:01:22.480 in one continuing resolution

01:01:23.880 because everybody was afraid not to vote for it.

01:01:27.180 And I voted against it

01:01:29.040 because number one, it was Joe Biden's budget.

01:01:31.220 Number two, it killed the entire hemp industry in Kentucky.

01:01:34.940 That was another of my crimes against the swamp.

01:01:38.380 And when I voted against the big bill, they're using, they're picking things out of it to run ads against me right now.

01:01:45.980 Let me give you an example.

01:01:47.520 So the draft version, the first version that passed the House of Representatives, defunded transgender surgery sex changes, basically, for minors.

01:01:57.600 There was lots of good stuff and lots of bad stuff in that bill, but I voted against it because I said it'll bankrupt the country. 0.84

01:02:03.840 Okay, but it had that good provision in it.

01:02:06.540 The Senate took the good provision out that defunded sex changes for minors, and then

01:02:12.080 everybody voted for the big, beautiful bill again, except for me, but it had the money

01:02:16.860 for sex change for minors.

01:02:18.760 So because I voted no against both versions, they prefer to use the first version and run

01:02:25.120 ads and say that I voted not to defund sex changes for minors, when in fact, everybody 0.98

01:02:30.900 who voted for that damn bill in the end 0.99

01:02:33.040 put the money back in for sex 1.00

01:02:34.860 changes for minors. What liars. 1.00

01:02:36.940 It's a total lie. Who put out that ad saying that? 0.99

01:02:40.080 These

01:02:40.560 super PACs. Again, they're not talking,

01:02:42.920 they're taking, they're distorting

01:02:45.040 my record instead of

01:02:46.780 telling you why they're trying to

01:02:48.640 flush me out of Congress. They want to flush

01:02:50.820 me out of Congress because I don't vote for foreign aid.

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01:06:09.120 Well, it's just, it's just, I guess what I find head spinning, bewildering, and honestly infuriating

01:06:15.380 is that a bunch of serious, committed liberals

01:06:19.120 are trying to kick you out of Congress

01:06:21.660 on the basis of the lie that you are a liberal.

01:06:24.280 Liberals are calling you a liberal.

01:06:25.780 Correct.

01:06:27.020 These, you know, if you look at-

01:06:28.820 Chris Lasavita, who's a liberal,

01:06:30.640 who's the president's consultant,

01:06:33.140 is calling you a liberal,

01:06:35.080 and he's too liberal for the district,

01:06:36.800 says the guy whose values have no connection at all

01:06:40.280 to your district.

01:06:41.480 Well, look at Miriam Adelson, Paul Singer, and John Paulson,

01:06:44.620 the three people that fund MAGA Kentucky, they funded transgender activism, partnered with George

01:06:51.740 Soros. They funded abortion candidates. They've done fundraisers for Chuck Schumer. It's true,

01:06:59.100 they are Republican super mega donors, right? But they've given money to Liz Cheney after she

01:07:05.920 voted to impeach Trump. And now they've cozied up to Trump and they're influencing foreign policy

01:07:12.340 of the United States

01:07:13.620 and trying to take me out.

01:07:14.700 They're controlling foreign policy

01:07:16.240 to the United States.

01:07:16.900 And I never got resolution

01:07:18.420 of the big question.

01:07:19.340 I'm sorry.

01:07:20.140 What do you think the total

01:07:21.580 your opponent has received

01:07:24.320 both directly and on his behalf

01:07:26.000 to the super PAC is?

01:07:27.320 I think all in,

01:07:29.060 they've spent about 10 million,

01:07:31.840 their super PACs and their campaign.

01:07:34.540 All in, we've probably spent

01:07:36.560 about 8 million so far.

01:07:38.740 And I would guess all in

01:07:40.480 by the time this is over,

01:07:41.680 there's going to be $30 million spent in a Republican primary. It's right now the most

01:07:48.780 expensive Republican primary for Congress in the history of Kentucky. By the time it's done,

01:07:55.420 right now I hear it's the second most expensive primary in the United States for Congress, but

01:08:00.060 I believe by the time it's done, it'll be the most expensive primary in the United States.

01:08:04.360 That's just absolutely incredible to me. The commercials have commercial breaks in

01:08:09.120 Kentucky now. There's so many damn commercials. So I just saw a spot they put up, and you tell 1.00

01:08:15.340 me who did this, but it was AI-generated video of you with Elon Omar and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

01:08:23.600 suggesting that you were having sex with both of them and basically saying you've got the same

01:08:29.840 politics they do. Yeah, it's a 30-second spot created with AI. There's a disclaimer at the

01:08:35.620 beginning in font that nobody over the age of 65 could possibly see on the TV that says it's AI.

01:08:42.840 And it's not cartoony at all. It looks like a real camera, you know, recordings that shows me

01:08:48.880 walking hand in hand with the two of them, dining with the two of them, and checking into a hotel

01:08:53.780 with the two of them. And uses the word thruple. I'm hoping it will backfire on the just horrible

01:09:05.300 individuals who've come up with this idea and think that it will get their rubber stamp,

01:09:13.120 their puppet for Israel into Congress. It's disgusting. Who is, so we haven't even 0.99

01:09:20.320 named the man running against you. Not that I guess it matters, right?

01:09:25.460 It doesn't really matter.

01:09:26.640 Who is this? Who is running against you?

01:09:28.620 What we've found out, he looks good on paper. He's served in the Navy SEALs.

01:09:35.300 He's a boomer, originally from Kentucky, and he looks great on paper.

01:09:42.140 But the president says he's from Central Casting and that he's a warm body.

01:09:46.740 And I don't think the president understands those are not like terms of endearment.

01:09:53.680 And the most interesting.

01:09:55.920 It sounds like that's true, though.

01:09:56.920 Here's the most interesting thing.

01:09:58.380 Yeah, he is a warm body and he may be able to fog a mirror, but he can't put three sentences together.

01:10:04.280 His own commercials don't even have him talking to camera.

01:10:07.540 He's turned down eight debates with me.

01:10:10.280 And two of these debates or televised debates, they went ahead and had the debate.

01:10:14.340 And I went and debated the moderator because I'm comfortable with what he's accepted.

01:10:19.420 No debates with you at all.

01:10:20.820 Zero debates.

01:10:21.780 And conventional wisdom is if you're me, if you're the incumbent and you're ahead, even by a small amount, that you should never debate the challenger because you're just giving him a platform and giving him some notoriety.

01:10:33.760 and status to speak and a chance to take you out.

01:10:36.660 I'm willing to debate this guy anywhere.

01:10:38.800 I've said, I'll let President Trump moderate the debate

01:10:41.320 and I'll still win it

01:10:42.460 because this guy doesn't know what he believes in.

01:10:44.680 He won't fill out any of the questionnaires

01:10:46.360 from the pro-life groups,

01:10:47.820 from the pro-Second Amendment groups.

01:10:49.880 Those are sitting in his basement.

01:10:52.360 He won't tell anybody where he stands.

01:10:55.500 Is he for exceptions on abortion? 0.52

01:10:57.960 Is he for red flag laws?

01:10:59.820 Because those are the president's positions.

01:11:02.000 So he's caught in a tough position right now, and he's not really, he doesn't have an ideology, I don't think. In fact, he was in the Republican Party until 2016 when Donald Trump got the nomination for president.

01:11:16.700 He, my opponent left the party for five years while Donald Trump was president.

01:11:22.420 He wouldn't even call himself a Republican while Donald Trump was president.

01:11:25.840 When Joe Biden won the election, that's when my opponent came back after Donald Trump lost and called himself a Republican again.

01:11:34.620 So he's got a lot of questions to answer.

01:11:37.420 So they found a liberal guy who's taking money from liberal guys to be, I know you call yourself a libertarian or whatever, but I mean, conventionally, you're one of the most conservative America first candidates that Congress has had in my lifetime.

01:11:53.940 So basically, you're running against a liberal.

01:11:57.960 Yes.

01:11:58.740 And let me talk about the association of my donors and his donors with Democrats.

01:12:04.960 So they started saying, oh, Massey's taking money

01:12:07.080 from people that also give to Democrats.

01:12:09.180 So we went and we did a core sample.

01:12:11.720 We looked at the people who give me money

01:12:13.720 and we looked at all the max donors.

01:12:15.840 Turns out 37% of the people who've donated to me

01:12:20.060 have also given to Democrats.

01:12:22.280 We went and looked at his numbers.

01:12:24.180 It's 85% of his donors have given to Democrats.

01:12:27.420 And it's because it's a core sample of AIPAC donors.

01:12:30.760 and that's why you've got 85% overlap

01:12:34.280 in his donors with Democrat donors

01:12:36.120 is because it's just a core sample of AIPAC.

01:12:38.800 In fact, he's given to Lindsey Graham.

01:12:41.740 Actually?

01:12:42.700 Yes, like 500 or 1,000 bucks.

01:12:45.680 Like he was so inspired by Lindsey Graham

01:12:48.200 that he gave him his own personal money,

01:12:50.880 not from his campaign, before he was campaigning.

01:12:55.220 And think about this.

01:12:56.320 He's promising to be a rubber stamp

01:13:00.120 for the Republican Party.

01:13:01.320 This is the main charge

01:13:02.500 that's been leveled against me,

01:13:03.880 that I don't vote with the party enough.

01:13:06.540 I vote with the party 90% of the time.

01:13:09.580 But listen, there's 10% of the time

01:13:11.340 where I don't care who the president is,

01:13:13.280 I'm not going to change the position

01:13:15.160 that I promised to take to my constituents.

01:13:17.820 So for instance,

01:13:18.880 when the party votes

01:13:19.740 for warrantless spying on Americans,

01:13:21.680 I don't vote for that.

01:13:22.880 When the party votes-

01:13:23.820 Warrantless spying on Americans.

01:13:26.000 Yes.

01:13:26.860 It's, and by the way,

01:13:28.860 each of the,

01:13:30.120 In all of these circumstances that I'm going to describe to you, where I don't vote with

01:13:34.920 the party, I'm actually taking a position that Donald Trump had less than two years

01:13:39.280 ago.

01:13:39.760 He was against the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act being used to spy on Americans without

01:13:45.300 a warrant because it was used against him, he found out.

01:13:48.460 So I'm sticking with that position that you need a warrant that the Fourth Amendment hasn't

01:13:53.260 expired to the Constitution when they're covering up for pedophiles.

01:13:57.980 Look, the president's own children, the vice president, the FBI director, and the president himself said that they would release the Epstein files.

01:14:05.980 And now I worked harder than anybody else to get it done and got it done.

01:14:10.540 And that's part of the 10% where they say, I have betrayed the Republican Party.

01:14:15.340 Because you voted to disclose Epstein's crimes.

01:14:17.420 Correct.

01:14:18.080 So it's now a core tenet of the Republican Party that you have to hide the crimes of a left-wing Democrat who was touching kids.

01:14:24.700 It seems to be.

01:14:25.860 And the president himself has said it's a hostile act.

01:14:30.680 This was before he signed my bill.

01:14:32.340 He ultimately did agree with me.

01:14:34.500 And now it seems like the first lady agrees with me that Jeffrey Epstein did not act alone.

01:14:39.120 And the files show that he did not act alone.

01:14:41.420 And you've got a prince who's lost his title and been indicted.

01:14:46.200 You've got the British prime minister to the United States.

01:14:49.480 You've got the former prime minister of Norway, the minister of culture in France.

01:14:54.040 There's accountability.

01:14:54.840 All those people have been arrested or indicted or being investigated, but nobody in the United States.

01:15:01.960 Where Jeffrey Epstein lived and worked.

01:15:04.680 Yes, where he spent 99% of his time.

01:15:08.100 Even the U.S. Virgin Islands is part of the United States, where Epstein Island is.

01:15:14.600 I just want to linger on this.

01:15:16.620 I mean, there's so much to talk about.

01:15:17.780 I just want to linger on the Epstein question.

01:15:19.820 So why was that important to you to push for disclosure?

01:15:24.840 it so there's a claim that i didn't care about it before president trump was president i want

01:15:30.660 to clear that up you can go find on my social media at least three times where i posted about

01:15:35.600 it and um i always assumed that pam bondy would release the files right people are like well why

01:15:43.260 weren't you interested sooner why didn't you try harder sooner because i've heard the fbi director 0.85

01:15:48.580 say he was going to do it i heard the attorney general say she was going to do it um and then

01:15:54.400 I found out the binders were a farce. I serve on the Judiciary Committee. This is the committee

01:16:00.100 that Jim Jordan chairs, which, by the way, has authority over DOJ, the attorney general, for

01:16:06.880 instance, and FBI. And so we went on a dinner to the DOJ, to Pam Bondi's office, every Republican

01:16:14.260 member of the Judiciary Committee. This was in April of last year, about a year ago. And I told

01:16:22.680 Jim Jordan on the way over. He said, everybody gets one question. You can ask the attorney

01:16:27.140 journal a question. I said, I want to ask her about phase two of the Epstein files. Would that be

01:16:32.220 too confrontational? And Jim said, I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't ask. Go ahead.

01:16:39.340 So I was one of the first people as we finished dinner to ask a question and I asked Pam Bondi

01:16:44.800 where the rest of the files were and when would they be released? And she said, there was nothing

01:16:50.000 left but child pornography, and nobody wants to see that. It made it sound sort of like I was a

01:16:56.780 voyeur or pedophile myself. But you were creepy for asking. Yeah, that I was creepy for asking.

01:17:01.900 And so I didn't ask any more about it. Then I saw in the news, as things played out,

01:17:07.360 the story kept shifting. And I said, well, there's some there there. And I introduced my

01:17:14.700 resolution which is a discharge petition i would need to get 218 votes on it to force a vote on

01:17:21.240 whether to release the files or not i did that in july and um we did a press conference the reason

01:17:29.200 i'm telling you all this is my motivation changed part of the way through this can i just ask you

01:17:34.020 if it was child pornography did you get a sense that there was any effort to find out who these

01:17:39.100 children were who shot the videos like who's responsible for this they said most of it was

01:17:45.900 stuff he had downloaded from the internet not original you know crimes of his but even so

01:17:55.320 right wouldn't wouldn't that stuff be things that you wouldn't investigate even if he hadn't created

01:18:00.820 it if he had got it from a friend or some black you know black site on the internet wouldn't you

01:18:06.840 want to you know the dark web wouldn't you want to go find out where this stuff comes from did you

01:18:11.640 get a sense that they were doing anything about it no in fact this is what this was the final

01:18:16.660 straw for me a day or two before i introduced the discharge petition the uh it was either the

01:18:25.860 attorney general or the fbi director said they were closing all the cases they were done with

01:18:30.160 epstein and there would be no more and then so what happened is after august recess we came back

01:18:36.760 And Ro Khanna and I held a press conference with the survivors.

01:18:40.800 And it was to motivate this issue in Washington, D.C. and to give these women a platform to tell their stories.

01:18:47.280 And in fact, women who had never spoken up before came to this and spoke up.

01:18:51.520 And women who had fought all their lives to be heard and believed and to say their story.

01:18:56.460 And they gave witness to the FBI and it all got suppressed.

01:19:00.840 They came and told their stories.

01:19:03.340 And a strange thing happened.

01:19:05.200 I had intended to motivate my colleagues and I was brought to tears by their stories and became

01:19:11.040 doubly motivated to get this done because at that point it became more about justice for them than

01:19:18.080 even before. And somebody may say, well, that sounds pretty cold. You mean you weren't doing

01:19:24.160 it for them to start with? Well, I was doing it to uncover the creeps, right? And pedophiles and

01:19:29.880 rapists and the sex traffickers. But once I met the survivors, it became even more personal to 0.97

01:19:37.120 get justice for them. Well, of course, it's less academic and more real. So then you initiate a

01:19:43.800 discharge petition and to force a vote on this. And what was the response you got from the White

01:19:50.540 House? So I actually had at least a dozen co-sponsors on my Epstein Files Transparency

01:19:58.920 Act. And I thought, well, I'll get a dozen Republican co-sponsors. I thought, well,

01:20:07.240 this will be easy. I've already got a dozen who will sign the discharge petition. Well,

01:20:11.200 it turns out most of those people chickened out, would not sign the discharge petition under

01:20:17.320 pressure from the president. In fact, I ran into the legislative affairs director for the White

01:20:22.960 house on the street on independence avenue jeff freeland just randomly while i was trying to get

01:20:30.180 more signatures and while he was trying to keep people from signing it we just randomly met at a

01:20:34.800 crosswalk and i said listen i know what's your job i know you're just doing your job and i'll be with

01:20:42.100 you 90 of the time but in this instance i'm i'm compelled to do this and um i said and by the way

01:20:50.940 I made a mistake. I got co-sponsors on this bill, so now you got your whip list. I know you're going

01:20:55.840 to the 12 people who originally co-sponsored it. If I ever do this again, I'm not getting co-sponsors

01:21:01.080 and showing you my roadmap. And there was mutual respect there as two people working on two

01:21:09.360 different things. He said to me, he said, you're moving too fast for me. He couldn't keep up.

01:21:15.300 There was only one of him, and I was moving around and getting people to put their names on it and

01:21:20.920 getting people not to take their names off. By the way, I have to give credit to the three,

01:21:25.460 absolute three bravest. There's nobody, if I go back to Congress next week and somebody comes up

01:21:31.560 to me and says, I saw you on Tucker Carlson and you didn't say I was brave, I'll say too bad

01:21:36.220 because you weren't. There's three women, Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Lauren Boebert,

01:21:45.100 who signed their names on that discharge petition

01:21:48.100 and all suffered. 0.98

01:21:49.940 Marjorie practically gave up her political career over this. 0.78

01:21:54.020 Yes, she did.

01:21:54.980 She and her children got death threats over this.

01:21:59.220 Not from the left, from the right.

01:22:03.160 And then-

01:22:03.420 And she went to President Trump and said,

01:22:05.000 one of my children is getting death threats.

01:22:06.740 And he said, that's your fault. 0.91

01:22:07.980 Yeah, despicable.

01:22:09.160 He also told her that if she insisted

01:22:11.540 on following through with this,

01:22:13.440 she was going to hurt his friends she told me the day he told her that hurt whose friends uh

01:22:20.400 the president trump's friends his friends um and i suppose some of them have been hurt howard

01:22:27.380 lutnik was shown to be a bald-faced liar right um and it turns out that uh john paulson one of

01:22:37.780 the three billionaires who've put money into MAGA Kentucky is, was in Epstein's phone book,

01:22:43.320 but also was implicated in these files as doing a fundraiser and reaching out to Jeffrey Epstein

01:22:49.500 to get money from him to honor Howard Lutnick. So it's, by the way, it's just a really small

01:22:57.400 world when you get into the billionaires and they're not partisans. They're above party,

01:23:03.500 The Epstein class, they don't associate themselves as Republicans or Democrats so much as they do among a class of billionaires who are above all of that, above the judges.

01:23:16.060 They've got visa waivers.

01:23:18.640 They fly private planes.

01:23:20.440 They don't mingle with the public, whether it's on a plane or in a courtroom. 0.65

01:23:25.540 And so anyways, that's my hats off to Marjorie for taking on those threats. 0.99

01:23:32.100 Lauren Boebert, they took her over to the situation room, right? Like this is where if

01:23:37.700 they're trying to kill or capture Osama bin Laden, this is where they are at the White House. They

01:23:44.000 took her into the situation room and tried to whip her into taking her name off of the discharge 0.97

01:23:49.440 petition. Over Epstein. Over Epstein, yep. And then the president vetoed a bill that would have

01:23:55.540 brought water to a large portion of colorado like over epstein over epstein and this isn't even at

01:24:02.760 this point it's not just about lauren bober why are people in colorado deprived of water

01:24:07.680 because their representative wants to expose the sex trafficking ring i mean none of this

01:24:14.800 makes any sense at all because it's a losing issue for trump and has been that was the beginning of

01:24:20.140 the end really for i mean i think we're at the end of the 2024 campaign it's just total betrayal

01:24:26.320 of everything but that that began with epstein last summer and trump's now famous attack on his

01:24:33.920 own voters if you think this is important to know more about epstein i don't want your support

01:24:38.540 why do you think epstein of all issues is the one that donald trump was willing to destroy his

01:24:45.880 presidency over i don't know it's i mean i did it because it was the right thing to of course i

01:24:51.140 understand your motive but the president pushed back now he's endorsed this campaign against you

01:24:56.540 and your family and but really just sort of hurt himself on behalf of the memory of jeffrey epstein

01:25:02.640 like what there's something here no like what is this uh i think he's he's changed some and he's

01:25:11.640 part, he, the promise of Donald Trump. He's willing to negotiate on anything,

01:25:15.580 including immigration. It's like, no problem. We'll give them citizenship. But when it comes

01:25:20.040 to Epstein, it's like, no. And it does raise questions about like, how did Epstein die and

01:25:24.800 who signed off on that? And why was Epstein rearrested actually for crimes he'd already

01:25:28.660 been convicted of and brought back from France to the United States and then gets murdered in

01:25:33.420 prison less than two months later? Like, what is that? And maybe there's a connection or I don't

01:25:37.880 know i'm just guessing like what is this it's the people who are funding the ballroom the people who

01:25:44.200 are funding the arch the people who are funding the rebranding of the kennedy center these are

01:25:50.400 the people who are also funding my opponent these are the people who have the ear of the president

01:25:55.340 these are the people who are changing dominating our foreign policy decisions they're the billionaires

01:26:01.260 And these are also the same people who are in the Epstein files, by large part, or their friends are, their social circles.

01:26:09.320 I just want to say stop.

01:26:09.920 And I want everyone to just stop and rewind the tape when you said that.

01:26:14.420 Okay, maybe just answer the question.

01:26:16.860 I think I did.

01:26:18.300 I tried to answer the question.

01:26:21.280 Ugh, the hair on my arms just went up.

01:26:24.300 Okay.

01:26:26.460 By the way, you touched on something that I want to comment on.

01:26:30.220 There are still a lot of files that haven't been released.

01:26:33.140 I don't care whether it's 3 million files

01:26:35.180 or whether it's 300 files that they still need to get out there.

01:26:38.440 But the kind of files they haven't released,

01:26:41.200 they are breaking the law by not releasing them.

01:26:45.240 They, you mean Department of Justice?

01:26:46.760 Department of Justice, Todd Blanche now.

01:26:48.640 And he, by the way, could be criminally prosecuted

01:26:51.640 by the next attorney general.

01:26:53.320 This is the great thing about passing a law

01:26:55.420 instead of issuing a subpoena.

01:26:57.460 They didn't do this in Watergate.

01:26:59.120 They didn't do this in Iran-Contra.

01:27:01.500 They had commissions, they had committees, they had subpoenas, whether it was Bill Clinton's issue.

01:27:09.720 This is the first time, the Epstein Files Transparency Act, where a member of Congress or members of Congress got a law passed, passed in the House and the Senate, signed by the president to compel the release of documents.

01:27:21.100 What does that mean?

01:27:22.000 Why is it different?

01:27:22.960 Because every subpoena from Congress expires at the end of Congress.

01:27:26.780 This law never expires.

01:27:28.400 This law, unless they can get a House and a Senate and a president to repeal it, is in effect for infinity.

01:27:36.320 50 years from now, if there's an attorney general who is like cleaning out a drawer and finds some Epstein files, they have 30 days to release them.

01:27:45.320 It's incumbent on, we didn't name Pam Bondi, we said the attorney general of the United States.

01:27:49.980 As long as there is an attorney general of the United States, that cabinet position may go away before the Epstein Files Transparency Act goes away.

01:27:58.000 Because it's forever. But let me tell you the category of documents that will eventually be released that haven't been released that you touched on. We said in the Epstein Files Transparency Act that you have to, the DOJ, FBI, and U.S. attorneys have to release internal memos and emails about decisions on whether to prosecute or not prosecute, about decisions on whether to investigate or not investigate.

01:28:23.820 And right now, the attorney general is claiming something called deliberative process privilege that they use when they want to keep Freedom of Information Act files from getting out or to redact them.

01:28:35.660 They say that, and it's a longstanding rule for Freedom of Information Act, that the government only has to give you the final work product.

01:28:44.800 They don't have to show you their math, the internal deliberations of a policy.

01:28:49.820 They just have to give you the end point.

01:28:51.960 But anticipating this and having served on the Judiciary Committee for a long time and having had Merrick Garland and Christopher Wray tell me, well, that's the subject of an ongoing investigation and we don't have to give you that or that's deliberative process and we don't have to give you that.

01:29:07.860 Anticipating that, I put into law that they have to give me that.

01:29:11.100 And the president signed that law.

01:29:13.140 And yet they are asserting that my law doesn't apply to their deliberative process privilege.

01:29:18.580 And they're wrong.

01:29:19.660 It won't withstand 30 minutes in a courtroom, their legal thesis.

01:29:25.120 Every first year law student knows that new laws overwrite the ones that existed before.

01:29:31.680 And so I think eventually there will be a forum.

01:29:35.200 Some survivor will sue the attorney general or the government for not releasing those particular files, and it'll get adjudicated and we'll get more files.

01:29:43.600 because do you ever ask anyone in the administration or the congress like why is this

01:29:49.620 a hard thing for a republican administration that was elected to quote drain the swamp to do why

01:29:55.160 would it be hard you would think since most people identified in the epstein files were partisan

01:29:59.900 democrats and donors to the democratic party it'd be pretty easy for republicans to be like yeah

01:30:04.700 this the other guys did this and there were some republicans but not really it's mostly democrats

01:30:08.720 in those files so why would it why is it so hard like what the hell are we what what is this

01:30:13.980 well pam bondy when i cross-examined her in a hearing while she was still attorney general

01:30:19.260 about the epstein files she protested to me that you know this also went on under the biden

01:30:27.020 administration and i said of course it did all right and it went on under the obama administration

01:30:32.140 and the bush administration like it spanned four administrations yes five administrations

01:30:37.500 counting Trump twice. And I told her, you're just responsible for this portion of the cover-up, 0.72

01:30:42.820 right? So the reason they, I think they don't want to admit that they have covered this up

01:30:48.500 is then they've admit that there are two tiers of justice in this country and that every

01:30:53.520 administration, at least every attorney general has been in on it. That is exactly right. There

01:31:00.600 are two tiers of justice and some people seem to be immune from law and some people are just

01:31:07.020 henpecked to death by the law um and that's why i want to know their decision process because

01:31:15.960 then we'll find out in 2008 why did they give jeffrey epstein a light sentence when they had

01:31:20.880 him dead to rights to lock him up i think we'll find out i think eventually because the law goes

01:31:26.180 forever and i think just by random selection we'll eventually end up with an attorney general

01:31:32.280 if they don't delete the files before that attorney general sits in the seat whoever that

01:31:37.420 may be do you have any sense of how much hasn't been released from that case um well i know that

01:31:42.240 set of particular files haven't been released i know that they put some files up and took them

01:31:47.040 back down and they've not put them back up again and you may say well don't you didn't people get

01:31:54.060 archives of those files while they were up why do you care that the files haven't been put up

01:31:58.260 again. It's because I have the ability to go look at unredacted files over at the DOJ and some of

01:32:06.440 the files that I wanted to look at unredacted because I believe they implicate co-conspirators

01:32:11.200 with Jeffrey Epstein haven't been put back up onto the public site nor the private site. So I can't

01:32:16.860 go look at documents unredacted that may contain the names of co-conspirators until they put those

01:32:23.880 files back in the database. What was justification for protecting co-conspirators? Well, they said

01:32:28.160 they're protecting victims, okay? But if you're protecting victims, and so you had to take the

01:32:34.040 document down, then what you do is you redact all the information that would hurt the victim,

01:32:38.100 and then you put it back up. But they haven't put it back up, so I haven't been able to look at that.

01:32:42.780 Then there are files over there, the DOJ claims were redacted before they came into their

01:32:47.020 possession. And so when I try to unredact them, I can't see beyond the redactions.

01:32:52.140 and the DOJ says,

01:32:54.600 sorry, that's just the way we received them.

01:32:56.760 Well, the fact of the matter is

01:32:57.940 they need to go back to the U.S. attorneys

01:32:59.840 and the FBI that gave them those redacted documents

01:33:02.880 and said, give us the unredacted documents,

01:33:04.980 but they haven't done that yet.

01:33:06.660 And then there's another category of files

01:33:08.260 that are missing.

01:33:09.280 In talking to the survivor's lawyers,

01:33:12.860 the survivors have indicated

01:33:14.660 that there's no evidence of their testimony

01:33:17.380 in the files.

01:33:19.600 Like they know it exists.

01:33:20.680 They sat down with the FBI.

01:33:21.760 They did an interview and the FBI agents are obligated to summarize that interview, at least provide a summary in a 302 form where they can't even find their own 302 forms in the in the release of information.

01:33:34.740 So we know not everything has been released. And I also know they're releasing more stuff,

01:33:39.900 just quietly doing it. Because when I go over there and look for things and find that they've

01:33:44.440 redacted a man's name who may be a co-conspirator and threatened on the internet that they've done

01:33:50.380 this, then they have released files. For instance, with Leslie Wexner, he's the billionaire who

01:33:55.900 resides in Ohio. Pam Bondi, when I pointed out to her that she had redacted his name from the files,

01:34:03.060 She said, well, his name appears thousands of times in the files.

01:34:06.440 I said, yes, but in the one instance where it appears on an FBI document listing him

01:34:10.440 as a co-conspirator in a child sex trafficking ring, his name has been redacted.

01:34:14.940 In the only one place where it implicates him, you redacted it.

01:34:18.440 And so, I know what your question is.

01:34:20.860 It was my question to her.

01:34:22.040 Who redacted it?

01:34:23.560 They're not giving interns a bucket of Sharpies and a bunch of documents spread out and saying,

01:34:29.040 go draw a line through anything you don't think should be released.

01:34:31.580 It's all on a computer and you have to log in and every redaction belongs to somebody.

01:34:36.860 So what I want to know, and I asked Pam Bondi and she refused to tell me, is who particularly redacted that one instance of Leslie Wexner?

01:34:45.600 If you were going to, if you were the least bit curious, you'd want to know.

01:34:49.620 Do you know if the Department of Justice in this administration has spoken to Leslie Wexner?

01:34:54.740 The Oversight Committee called him over there and asked him some questions.

01:35:00.100 the department of justice did not they mysteriously lost interest in leslie wexner after listing him

01:35:07.280 as a co-conspirator so they never even talked to him never they they had some correspondence with

01:35:14.400 an attorney and decided they didn't need to talk to him you know he paid for the whole thing yeah

01:35:19.120 and um so the you know they should be wondering like this is why i want to know about that

01:35:28.500 decision of not, why did they not talk to Leslie Wexner? That's in an email or a memo somewhere.

01:35:34.080 And the clear language of the law that I wrote requires them to release it and they won't and

01:35:38.360 they haven't. And that's what we need to know is why did they and why do they continue to cover

01:35:45.220 this stuff up? Do you ever have conversations with your colleagues in the Congress about this

01:35:50.980 Are others bothered by it?

01:35:56.500 They're not bothered enough by it.

01:35:59.240 I mean, ultimately, they voted 427 to 1 to pass the bill after fighting it for so many months.

01:36:07.720 And then the Senate realized it had been political malpractice on the part of Mike Johnson to lead the whole GOP conference against the Epstein files release merely because the president wanted him to.

01:36:20.660 And so when it got to the Senate,

01:36:22.240 they passed it by unanimous consent

01:36:24.060 before it even got there.

01:36:25.780 Like the bill was still in the House

01:36:27.220 and the Senate heard it was coming over

01:36:29.240 and they made a motion to pass the bill

01:36:31.540 before it got there.

01:36:32.980 So they just said, when it gets here,

01:36:34.380 we're going to deem it passed

01:36:35.300 so we don't even have to repeat the name of it.

01:36:36.920 So Mike Johnson really was leading the charge

01:36:38.560 to hide the facts of the Epstein case.

01:36:41.180 He was lying about my bill. 1.00

01:36:42.980 He told everybody it was dog crap. 1.00

01:36:45.640 It was poorly drafted. 1.00

01:36:46.960 It would hurt the victims.

01:36:48.740 And then-

01:36:49.320 would hurt the victims when in fact the victims love my bill and but he would stand up he would

01:36:56.780 say these lies to a whole gaggle of cameras and then one day my johnson told the entire conference

01:37:02.860 vote for massey's bill what changed we won the argument in the public like if there is hope

01:37:11.940 and and i know i'm giving people hope and this is one of the reasons i'm fighting so hard to win

01:37:17.620 is there will be not tens of thousands,

01:37:21.580 hundreds of thousands,

01:37:22.360 if not several million people

01:37:24.020 who lose hope if I lose.

01:37:26.960 But what gives me hope

01:37:29.680 and frankly what gives me

01:37:32.400 even more religious conviction

01:37:35.600 is that we, in spite of all the odds,

01:37:39.800 we got this bill passed

01:37:41.460 and it became law

01:37:42.860 and three million documents came out

01:37:44.800 after we had been lied to

01:37:46.540 and told that everything but kiddie porn had been released. 0.57

01:37:50.420 Right.

01:37:50.980 That gives me hope.

01:37:51.940 That was after Pam Bondi told you

01:37:54.100 that everything had been released.

01:37:55.500 Correct.

01:37:56.320 Did she ever explain?

01:37:58.400 I think she was largely in the dark most of the time.

01:38:02.840 I always have a question.

01:38:05.620 Is it ignorance or is it malfeasance, right?

01:38:07.680 Right.

01:38:08.460 When something's doing the wrong thing.

01:38:10.960 On her part, I think it was ignorance and blind allegiance.

01:38:15.160 I think when she released those binders,

01:38:17.240 she really thought she was releasing the Epstein files.

01:38:20.180 I believe she thought that.

01:38:22.340 And then she found out very quickly.

01:38:25.600 Somebody came and told her,

01:38:26.560 oh, no, no, we're not releasing those.

01:38:29.020 We're not going to do that.

01:38:30.520 And then she had to adopt blind allegiance

01:38:33.220 without even, in fact, really.

01:38:35.000 At one point, she said,

01:38:35.900 they're on my desk for review.

01:38:37.340 Do you remember that?

01:38:38.160 Very well.

01:38:39.020 How do 3 million files sit on your desk?

01:38:41.760 They were not on her desk for review at any point.

01:38:44.640 Also, I don't think Kash Patel can be the FBI director and anything ever happened with these Epstein files because he testified in the Senate to Senator Kennedy that Jeffrey Epstein acted alone.

01:39:00.460 Even Melania Trump does not believe that, right?

01:39:03.300 But he testified that Epstein acted alone.

01:39:06.160 And then the next day.

01:39:07.300 He did?

01:39:07.780 Yeah.

01:39:08.120 And then the next day, he came to the House Judiciary Committee where I asked him to double down.

01:39:13.300 And he said there's no evidence in these files that anybody was a co-conspirator with Jeffrey Epstein other than Jelaine Maxwell.

01:39:20.800 So, again, here we go.

01:39:22.980 Ignorance or malfeasance?

01:39:25.680 He's perjured himself in the Senate and the House.

01:39:29.880 And so his defense could either be ignorance.

01:39:33.760 That's his only defense, is to say, well, when I told you that, I didn't really know what was in the files.

01:39:38.200 Or the people working for me misled me.

01:39:41.160 Those are his only defense.

01:39:43.300 and then that's why I think

01:39:46.220 you will never get to the bottom of this

01:39:48.020 as long as he's FBI director

01:39:49.820 and by the way

01:39:51.640 the Trump administration could redeem themselves

01:39:54.100 on this but not by

01:39:55.960 releasing 3 million more files

01:39:57.460 they've got to indict somebody

01:39:59.280 they've got to go in there

01:40:00.800 go in there and investigate

01:40:03.880 Leon Black

01:40:05.740 or Jess Staley

01:40:07.680 there's enough information

01:40:09.560 even in the redacted files

01:40:11.640 that anybody with common sense knows

01:40:13.960 that there needs to be an investigation

01:40:15.600 of those two men.

01:40:17.080 On what grounds?

01:40:18.720 On that witnesses said

01:40:21.060 they were sexually abused by those men.

01:40:24.740 And they've never been investigated

01:40:25.900 as far as you know.

01:40:26.880 As far as I know.

01:40:29.140 And by the way,

01:40:30.360 on what grounds?

01:40:31.080 That's a good question.

01:40:32.020 On what grounds

01:40:32.740 did Prince Andrew lose his title?

01:40:36.080 Did the British ambassador have to resign?

01:40:38.480 Did the former prime minister of Norway

01:40:40.160 get indicted?

01:40:41.040 On what grounds? Not for pedophilia or sex trafficking, but for misabuse of state power and state secrets and state authority. And this gets to what I believe Epstein was. My background is technology. I'm not a hacker, but I went to school with a lot of people who are hackers and I still know people who are hackers.

01:41:04.300 it's actually very difficult through wires to break into most of these systems the guys who

01:41:12.320 get the biggest breaches of data are able to get a human on the phone and convince them to give up

01:41:17.880 their password or get a human on an email right like phishing is but if you can get physical

01:41:23.520 proximity to somebody's phone or their computer that's the that's the holy grail of hacking if

01:41:29.580 Once you get physical proximity, or if you can get somebody so comfortable, maybe they're in another room having sex or doing a line of cocaine and they leave their laptop in that room without logging out, then that's the holy grail of hacking.

01:41:42.940 You don't have to be good.

01:41:44.300 You got to be lucky or have really good human.

01:41:46.940 And I believe that's what Jeffrey Epstein was purveyor of, was direct access to individuals.

01:41:54.820 He was interested in meeting with market makers, people who were going to move markets, hedge fund managers, that sort of thing, and foreign officials and dignitaries who were going to make laws and make decisions that would move markets.

01:42:11.540 I mean, it seems pretty obvious that this wasn't, you know, that Jeffrey Epstein was not acting on his own.

01:42:18.260 I mean, first of all, there's no evidence he ever made any money.

01:42:20.920 Right.

01:42:21.400 Right. It's not clear even now, seven years after his murder, what he did for a living.

01:42:27.200 Like, where'd the income come from?

01:42:29.120 You know, when the probability in my mind that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself went from 5% to 0%

01:42:37.280 is when I heard the recording that he serendipitously recorded of Ehud Barak

01:42:45.080 when he was about to leave as defense minister of Israel.

01:42:48.920 Jeffrey Epstein was advising him on his next career steps.

01:42:52.560 And in this recording, just cool as a cucumber, he says, make a list of everybody that owes

01:42:58.620 you something for all the things you did for them while you were in government.

01:43:02.280 And then go get on these boards and draw a check.

01:43:06.640 And like he was explaining like how Ehud Barak could make money once he left the employee

01:43:13.100 of the government of Israel.

01:43:15.120 And this is a recording.

01:43:16.160 It's, it's an insight into Jeffrey Epstein's mind that you don't really get, um, otherwise, even through emails. And, um, it was, it was revealing to me, Jeffrey Epstein strikes me as the kind of guy who wouldn't be that worried that he was in prison.

01:43:34.140 It was a, I think in his mind, it was a temporary condition that he either needed to blackmail somebody or maybe he had enough blackmail or more likely than blackmail, he just had enough connections that somebody would spring him pretty soon.

01:43:52.480 And I don't think he would have lost.

01:43:54.240 So if he was murdered, and I think it's, I mean, I'm totally convinced he was murdered.

01:43:59.400 It seems very obvious that he was murdered.

01:44:01.360 But if he was murdered in federal detention in Manhattan,

01:44:06.660 like how could that have happened without the knowledge of highest level federal officials?

01:44:12.040 There was never an investigation into it.

01:44:18.320 Who are the highest level federal officials, by the way?

01:44:21.280 They're not always the elected people.

01:44:22.720 like when we talk about the deep state these are the victoria newlands of the world right those

01:44:29.920 are the people who are causing coups and and is that the highest level are we talking about the

01:44:36.600 highest level of the permanent government or are we talking about ostensibly the highest level the

01:44:42.020 people who get elected and pretend to wield power like pam bondy yes because she's never been the

01:44:46.700 highest level at the department of justice who do you think is um i don't know but todd blanche

01:44:55.100 in a way is working for them i think it's the people directly below todd blanche if the people

01:45:02.080 that we were told trump would fire and get new people the you know the people that did all the

01:45:10.100 bad stuff on january 6th the people at the doj who prosecuted those folks why are any of those

01:45:15.800 people still around and they are and they are and they shouldn't be is that true in other key

01:45:21.480 federal agencies i think all federal agencies what do you think happened how do you go from

01:45:29.460 campaigning against all of this to becoming its greatest champion as the president has

01:45:35.380 i i don't know um i do think and he by the way he doesn't need to run again right right well

01:45:44.760 people argue that term limits will work because once somebody knows they don't have to run for

01:45:50.960 election again, they'll do the right thing. It'll be in their nature and they won't be

01:45:55.140 subject to taking money to get their, you know, to win their next election or doing favors. They

01:46:01.740 could just act in their good conscience. I think what's happened is they've convinced him that he

01:46:06.980 needs a ballroom, that he needs an arch, that he needs a Kennedy center renamed after him and

01:46:13.240 and multiple other things

01:46:14.460 that these take private money

01:46:15.960 and the order of magnitude

01:46:17.640 of private money

01:46:18.480 that you need for these things

01:46:19.880 obligates you to those individuals.

01:46:22.820 I think that's part of what has happened.

01:46:24.620 I also think

01:46:25.320 he's aligned himself

01:46:27.800 with Lindsey Graham

01:46:29.540 and Marco Rubio.

01:46:32.360 These are the neocons.

01:46:34.180 He got close to this

01:46:35.820 with John Bolton

01:46:36.660 and eventually got,

01:46:37.900 he tired of John Bolton, I think.

01:46:40.400 Most people do.

01:46:41.320 some of us never liked him i'm with you um but i think he's basically gone from

01:46:49.460 pushing those people away the dick cheney's of the republican party to inviting them in the tent

01:46:56.080 and it's given him more power interestingly to align with these folks on certain issues whether

01:47:04.600 it's spying on americans without a warrant whether it's spending more than we can afford

01:47:10.480 whether it's starting another war in the middle east that's going to be hard to end

01:47:15.860 he's listening to too many of those people right now why would the president who was spied on

01:47:22.060 illegally by the intelligence and law enforcement agencies of this country back in 2015 2016 2017

01:47:29.340 why would he put so much of his authority

01:47:33.760 behind more warrantless spying on Americans?

01:47:40.560 That's hard for me to understand.

01:47:43.140 Some people think it's because he wants that ability

01:47:45.940 as long as he's president to use his own FBI and DOJ

01:47:50.700 to have these same tools.

01:47:53.600 But then that begs the question,

01:47:55.360 why would the Democrats, the Uniparty, right, if you will, why would they want to give President

01:48:02.660 Trump this authority? You would think they might agree to a three-year hiatus on spying without

01:48:09.120 warrants, right? But no, they don't want any lapse in the program, and the president doesn't want any

01:48:14.900 lapse in the program. But if Democrats are so afraid of Trump, if he's really Hitler, he's

01:48:21.120 this authoritarian, crazy person who's going to eliminate civil liberties. Why would Democrats be 0.96

01:48:25.620 giving that guy the power to spy without a warrant on American citizens? That, exactly. You've

01:48:33.660 rephrased it better than I said it. In fact, I found myself in a really weird position last week

01:48:41.040 on the floor of the House on flyout day. Most people had already booked their planes to leave

01:48:47.680 before this debate was going to happen,

01:48:50.520 the House of Representatives

01:48:51.740 sent the Senate a deal to reauthorize FISA

01:48:55.280 if the Senate would ban

01:48:56.620 central bank digital currency.

01:48:59.000 Now, I would ban central bank digital currency

01:49:02.060 and not reauthorize FISA, right?

01:49:04.600 But some of the Freedom Caucus

01:49:06.660 decided that was an okay trade

01:49:08.680 to trade part of the Fourth Amendment

01:49:10.260 for another part of the Fourth Amendment.

01:49:12.520 And I am terrified of central bank digital currency.

01:49:15.180 It's an on-off switch for your participation

01:49:17.060 nation and society. Of course. They starve you to death if you disobey. Yeah. They won't let you

01:49:23.040 put gas in the tank. You won't be able to travel. They can control everything if they can control

01:49:29.000 the currency. It's bad enough. But we sent that deal to the Senate. I didn't vote for that deal,

01:49:35.140 but some people did. It went to the Senate, and the Senate laughed at that deal, threw it in the

01:49:39.060 trash, and sent a clean reauthorization of FISA back to the House with the 45-day expiration.

01:49:45.020 and everybody but me suggested

01:49:49.040 we should just let that pass by unanimous consent

01:49:51.920 and folks could get on their airplanes and go home.

01:49:55.140 And I said, I don't think so.

01:49:57.160 Like an infringement of the constitution for 45 days

01:50:00.720 is still an infringement of the constitution.

01:50:02.620 And by the way, we've known about this problem

01:50:04.880 for as long as I've been in Congress.

01:50:06.900 I've been offering and passing amendments

01:50:08.940 to defund this part of the FISA program.

01:50:12.700 It's not something new.

01:50:14.560 It's like a florist being surprised by Valentine's Day.

01:50:18.600 We knew this date was coming.

01:50:20.960 And so I stood up and I objected.

01:50:24.280 And they said, okay, well, now we got to have a debate over this bill.

01:50:28.260 And Jim Jordan got 20 minutes and Jamie Raskin got 20 minutes as the chair and the ranking

01:50:34.440 member of the Committee of Jurisdiction, the Judiciary Committee.

01:50:37.780 And at that point, I stood up and told the speaker that I want 20 minutes.

01:50:43.360 in actual opposition to the bill.

01:50:45.860 Wait, wait, I'm confused.

01:50:46.800 You have one of the most liberal Democrats

01:50:48.840 in the House, Jamie Raskin of Maryland.

01:50:50.440 You have one of the most conservative Republicans

01:50:51.920 in the House, Jim Jordan of Ohio.

01:50:55.140 But they're on the same side

01:50:56.600 on spying on Americans?

01:50:58.700 For at least 45 days,

01:51:00.060 they're on the same side.

01:51:01.400 Well, how could Jim Jordan,

01:51:03.420 this ferociously conservative freedom guy,

01:51:06.340 be in favor of spying on Americans

01:51:09.240 without a warrant?

01:51:11.020 Well, the president told him to.

01:51:14.660 Yeah, but that's like a core, that's a core issue.

01:51:16.960 It's always been a core issue of his, and in the debate.

01:51:20.560 Of his specifically.

01:51:21.680 Correct.

01:51:22.540 It was a condition of being on the Judiciary Committee when I joined.

01:51:26.340 Like you had to believe that we needed warrants on FISA,

01:51:30.180 or you couldn't be on the Judiciary Committee that he chaired.

01:51:33.300 That was like the first interview question when you applied for Judiciary Committee.

01:51:37.220 That the Constitution is still real.

01:51:38.500 Right.

01:51:38.720 And particularly with FISA, 702, this particular program.

01:51:43.780 And he battled last Congress ferociously to get warrants.

01:51:47.160 And it came down to a tie vote where Mike Johnson was the deciding vote.

01:51:51.680 And we, I don't know why, again, because Biden was president,

01:51:56.360 but enough Republicans voted to let Biden have the power to spy on Americans without a warrant.

01:52:00.900 Because a lot of the information, that intelligence that's spying on Americans,

01:52:04.980 goes directly to Israel, like fact. 0.52

01:52:06.840 Absolutely. 0.59

01:52:07.280 Right.

01:52:07.840 Right. So that's what this is really about, is do we allow a foreign country to spy? Does our government make it easier for a foreign country to spy on Americans? It's like the ultimate betrayal. 0.97

01:52:16.940 Another fact, when X decided to show you where accounts were based, where they were set up and where they were operated from, the DHS account showed Israel that it was set up, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's X account was set up using an IP address from Israel, using an Android app purchased in Israel.

01:52:41.700 and that doesn't trouble people like there should be an investigation over why when the dhs set up

01:52:50.180 its twitter account it was set up in israel now they claim if you ask grok about this he'll walk

01:52:55.100 around the bush with you of course and and say that well there were some glitches back in the

01:52:59.640 old day and there were some contractors involved and you could you can never get to the bottom of

01:53:04.340 it so but back to the last week um i was able to claim so but just to be clear jordan was on the

01:53:11.340 same side as Jamie Raskin. Correct. For the clean 45-day extension. Did you feel like your head was

01:53:16.060 spinning as you watched this? Yes, but I've been here before where it's me versus the uniparty. 0.91

01:53:23.380 And by the way, when they call me an obstructionist, you can put this in the column of

01:53:30.160 things that I try to obstruct, like violations of your Fourth Amendment. So the speaker said,

01:53:36.020 okay, each side gets 20 minutes. And I rose up and I said, well, in fact, each side is for this.

01:53:40.960 So this is no kind of debate.

01:53:43.060 Like, I want my 20 minutes.

01:53:45.680 It's like the perfect metaphor.

01:53:47.620 It's like a fake debate where both sides agree.

01:53:50.420 Right.

01:53:51.020 Yeah.

01:53:51.460 So, and it is in the House rules, they had to give me 20 minutes.

01:53:55.040 And so then it was going to be me with 20 minutes and Jim Jordan with 20 minutes.

01:54:00.120 Ironically, a guy that I like who has been leading the charge to get warrants in FISA,

01:54:06.100 But in this situation was for reauthorizing a program for 40 days, 45 days without warrants.

01:54:12.120 And at that moment, one of the staffers came over to me.

01:54:16.000 This is where it's getting surreal and says, Jim Jordan would like to give half of his time to Jamie Raskin.

01:54:23.460 This is the last scene in Animal Farm where the farmers and the pigs are like getting together.

01:54:28.880 And they said, would you object? 0.54

01:54:30.980 And I said, no, what the hell?

01:54:32.760 Let them both have time.

01:54:33.760 So I had 20 minutes and Jim had 10 and Jamie Raskin had 10.

01:54:37.960 And then to their credit, Keith Self from Texas, Chip Roy from Texas, and Warren Davidson from Ohio joined me in this debate.

01:54:47.420 Some other people in spirit came and sat down to offer their moral support.

01:54:52.360 They didn't need time to debate.

01:54:54.040 And we had a good debate on this issue.

01:54:56.780 Look, the FBI has used this program to basically run their dating app prospects through the database to see what they can find about them before they swipe right or swipe left.

01:55:10.780 What?

01:55:11.500 Yeah, that's the kind of abuse that's gone on. 0.95

01:55:14.840 They've used it on Congress.

01:55:17.720 They've used it on the president.

01:55:19.700 They've used it on political parties.

01:55:21.540 and people say well if there's if you're not doing anything wrong why do you care if the

01:55:26.640 government spies on you well it's the government's opinion of whether they like what you're doing or

01:55:30.620 not well they used it on me and they got caught and no one was punished yeah they've used it on

01:55:34.900 cheryl atkinson spying on her you know spyware on her computer uh they use it on the press

01:55:41.680 like this should concern everybody and we and right now we're in a 45-day extension because

01:55:46.920 I did call for the vote and we had too many Republicans and too many Democrats that voted

01:55:53.860 for a clean extension. So can we just go through the issues on which you've disagreed with the

01:56:00.140 president? So my read as a non-Kentucky citizen is that this race comes down to the question of

01:56:07.060 who is more on board with Trump? Who's more the MAGA guy, you or the liberal you're running

01:56:13.060 against funded by the casino owners, funded by Israel. What are the issues that have separated

01:56:21.900 you and Trump? Can you just go through the list where the big issues where you've disagreed?

01:56:26.540 Let me start with the ones I agree with just real quick. I voted to fund the wall. I voted to keep

01:56:32.600 men out of girls sports in the Olympics. I have voted. I've read that you were totally for mass 0.99

01:56:38.260 migration, illegal migration, that you love transgenderism, you were encouraging people 1.00

01:56:44.740 to castrate their sons. That's not true. Absolutely false. I signed an amici brief

01:56:50.180 to the Supreme Court to support the repeal of birthright citizenship for children of illegals. 0.97

01:56:57.400 I've done all of these. I voted for the SAVE Act, which is to require photo ID in federal elections. 0.95

01:57:04.360 If you want to run for school board or HOA, do whatever you want.

01:57:08.520 But if you're going to vote in a federal election, you got to have an ID and prove you're an American citizen.

01:57:12.800 I've voted for these things.

01:57:14.960 I voted for Doge.

01:57:16.820 I've voted for all of that stuff.

01:57:19.780 But let's talk about the things where I have been an obstructionist.

01:57:24.280 Most recently, they tried to put immunity for pesticides and herbicides in the farm bill.

01:57:31.020 Immunity?

01:57:31.760 Immunity from liability and a ban on any state.

01:57:34.980 Let's say a state finds out that one of these chemicals causes cancer.

01:57:39.520 And if it's, you know, applied in a certain way.

01:57:42.340 Right now they're trying to ban any state's ability to warn its citizens that that product causes cancer.

01:57:49.480 Yes.

01:57:50.060 So it would be a violation of the First Amendment, a violation of the Tenth Amendment.

01:57:55.580 They had this in the base.

01:57:56.840 Wait a second.

01:57:57.520 So if you say something crazy on this show, you can be sued.

01:58:01.380 But if you make some poison that gives people cancer

01:58:04.060 and kills their kids, you can't be sued

01:58:05.580 because you have, quote, immunity

01:58:07.120 along with the vaccine makers given by Congress?

01:58:09.500 Correct.

01:58:10.740 And, well, they were, by the way,

01:58:12.780 that's in front of the Supreme Court right now.

01:58:14.400 I went and listened to the oral arguments

01:58:16.140 in the Supreme Court on this issue.

01:58:18.380 And they said in the oral arguments

01:58:20.200 that Congress could decide this issue, right?

01:58:23.220 And so it was stuck in the Farm Bill.

01:58:25.840 And I did work with Democrats to offer an amendment

01:58:29.240 to strip this out. 1.00

01:58:30.380 Anna Paulina Luna offered an identical amendment. 1.00

01:58:33.420 Her amendment was allowed to vote, 0.99

01:58:35.300 and we got enough Republicans and Democrats

01:58:38.540 to vote to take this out of the bill.

01:58:40.780 So if you're saying that I'm an obstructionist

01:58:43.400 and I work with Democrats, 0.85

01:58:44.940 it is true if you're trying to poison Americans

01:58:47.500 that I will cross the aisle.

01:58:48.860 And then get immunity from tort law.

01:58:51.380 Like, why don't I get immunity?

01:58:52.840 Which is state law, by the way.

01:58:54.300 This would be, they're not,

01:58:57.700 the vaccine immunity is wrong.

01:58:59.820 it's bad enough, but at least they pretend there's some federal court where they'll take

01:59:03.560 care of the problem. Here they were proposing that nobody, you could get a venue nowhere.

01:59:10.040 By the way, that's a violation of the Seventh Amendment to the Constitution. It's in the Bill

01:59:14.280 of Rights. It says you have a right to a jury trial. And they're taking away First Amendment,

01:59:19.800 Seventh Amendment, and Tenth Amendment. Why would Trump want that?

01:59:22.980 uh it's i think he's a busy guy and i think um he's not paying attention to this although i will

01:59:33.040 caution listeners that when i went to the supreme court it was very much like the debate that i had

01:59:42.540 in congress on fisa there were actually three attorneys not two usually in the supreme court

01:59:47.280 attorneys arguing the plaintiff side and the defendant side. In this case, the U.S. DOJ joined

01:59:56.080 the German company Bayer, Bayer Monsanto, who makes glyphosate, in arguments. So the DOJ helped

02:00:04.960 a German company make the point that they should be immune from any state liability.

02:00:10.160 A German company should be immune from lawsuits by Americans if it turns out their product kills

02:00:14.780 them. Correct. This is so bonkers. It's hard to believe that. I mean, you can, you know, 0.93

02:00:20.340 there's an argument about, is it worth it to put dangerous chemicals on farmland because maybe the

02:00:26.340 benefits outweigh the risks or I don't know, there's like an argument. What could possibly

02:00:30.820 be the argument for stripping people's rights to redress if the product is faulty or dangerous?

02:00:38.960 We've got corporate capture of the EPA. And so the EPA was set up ostensibly to protect people

02:00:47.460 in the environment, but now they've morphed into an organization that would give immunity.

02:00:52.300 They would give get out of court free cards to any company that could convince them to put a

02:00:57.880 light label on it that says, you know, a warning label instead of a danger label, right?

02:01:04.160 Wait, so the EPA was in favor of giving full liability protection to Bear Monsanto out of Germany?

02:01:11.360 Correct.

02:01:12.160 Who's running the EPA?

02:01:14.320 Lee Zeldin right now.

02:01:16.100 And he was for that?

02:01:18.120 This case predates him, but it's going on right now under him.

02:01:24.040 And you might think the EPA, the federal EPA is going to argue for as much authority as they can get.

02:01:30.440 And the corporations would love to have one-stop shopping.

02:01:34.960 They don't want to be subject to courtrooms in 50 different states.

02:01:39.480 They want to be able to say, well, we've got to get out a court-free card because the EPA said we don't need to put a skull and crossbones on this product.

02:01:47.840 All we need is a little warning label on it.

02:01:52.160 I know we've gone deep into that issue, but let me tell you why it's important.

02:01:55.620 because the president is the president

02:01:57.480 and we're in the majority

02:01:58.580 because there was a coalition formed.

02:02:00.980 I do believe that he and his advisors were genius

02:02:03.600 in setting up this coalition.

02:02:05.200 And I was part of it when I endorsed the president

02:02:09.640 to try to bring on libertarians and independents,

02:02:12.320 but we also brought on Maha, which is-

02:02:15.060 I was one of the people who helped put that together.

02:02:16.800 Yeah.

02:02:17.140 Because I believed in that.

02:02:17.740 Well, then you're the genius.

02:02:19.080 I'm not a genius.

02:02:19.840 It's just like, that seemed like an obvious issue.

02:02:21.780 It's obviously, they told us banning smoking

02:02:24.180 was gonna make us healthy

02:02:25.160 and life expectancy went down.

02:02:26.740 I just noticed that.

02:02:27.560 And I'm like, this country's super unhealthy.

02:02:29.500 And why wouldn't you make it easier

02:02:32.740 for people to be healthier if they want to?

02:02:36.140 So, and by the way, I have a standalone bill too.

02:02:40.140 It's the No Immunity for Glyphosate Act.

02:02:42.740 And I have Republican and Democrat co-sponsors on that.

02:02:46.700 But that's what MAHA is.

02:02:48.900 And here's the problem. 0.67

02:02:49.720 If you keep, if your DOJ and your USDA and your EPA are all going to be captured by a German company and, and argue that Americans don't deserve their day in court if they're harmed by a chemical that's being sold and mislabeled according to their state, then you're going to alienate that part of the Maha, that Maha part of the coalition. 0.73

02:03:14.680 Yeah. 0.80

02:03:14.880 And that's another thing that could lead to a bloodbath in the November election.

02:03:19.720 It's gonna, it's gonna. 1.00

02:03:21.680 Yeah, there are a lot of sort of liberal moms 0.98

02:03:23.880 or moms who thought they were liberal, 1.00

02:03:25.540 but they just watched too much media, 0.97

02:03:28.420 but they basically had good values.

02:03:31.180 They're for their kids, they're for nature.

02:03:33.480 You know, those are good values.

02:03:35.520 Those people are very disappointed and betrayed, I think.

02:03:39.300 Yeah.

02:03:39.840 Don't you?

02:03:40.780 I think so.

02:03:42.420 By the way, you're a farmer, I should say this.

02:03:44.840 By the way, and there is one good thing

02:03:46.200 in the farm bill, by the way.

02:03:47.460 I've worked for 11 years on it.

02:03:49.540 I've worked four years on this part of it.

02:03:51.780 I got my Prime Act, a pilot program for it, in the Farm Bill, which means that here in Maine or in Kentucky or any other state in the union, you could have a small farmer, use a small processor, and sell their beef, pork, and lamb locally to consumers without the USDA hovering over that transaction.

02:04:14.500 as long as you comply with the local health inspections.

02:04:19.880 You know, there are steakhouses in Washington, D.C.

02:04:23.700 that cut up more beef than most small processors

02:04:26.900 in Kentucky in a day, right?

02:04:29.020 Yet they don't have to have a USDA inspector.

02:04:32.020 And the reason the big corporations,

02:04:34.520 I call it the industrial meat complex,

02:04:36.800 wants all these regulations on the little guys 0.84

02:04:39.920 is to keep them out of the business.

02:04:42.040 And so my Prime Act just says,

02:04:43.440 you can sell a steak or a hamburger to your neighbor using a local processor as long as

02:04:48.280 you comply with the local health requirements and you don't need the USDA involved. And we got a

02:04:53.240 pilot program for that in the farm bill. That's Maha. Completely. And the confluence of Maha

02:04:58.620 with conservatism, right? Because it's a bipartisan bill and it's one area where

02:05:04.920 Democrats realize that the little guys are being regulated out of the business. Yes.

02:05:09.600 And if they want healthy food, more sustainably raised food, that you've got to break up the meat monopoly, I'll call it. 0.92

02:05:18.060 Now, the White House has recently announced they're going to use the DOJ and the full force of the federal government to break up these big meat packers.

02:05:25.680 The problem with that is if you don't let the little meat packers exist, you're just going to raise the price.

02:05:31.100 Of course. 0.81

02:05:31.820 Right.

02:05:32.160 More of it will be from Brazil.

02:05:34.120 Yes. 0.89

02:05:34.740 Or Argentina.

02:05:35.420 Yeah.

02:05:35.820 Yeah. So really quick, since you do run a farm, a working farm, the chemical in question made

02:05:44.360 by Bear Monsanto, would you use it? So I don't want to ban it. What we're

02:05:52.500 talking about is the misapplication of it or the mislabeling of it. Let me tell you a use I would

02:05:57.840 never use so i don't do it but i um i would spray fence lines with it yeah if you had a respirator

02:06:07.200 and something like that to to kill weeds in the fence line yeah i would not spray my fields with

02:06:13.080 it because i'm afraid that the cattle might the residue from that might be taken up into me

02:06:18.780 um i would not tell my neighbor you can't kill the weeds so that you can do no-till farming

02:06:26.100 of uh your corn okay but here's one place where i would never ever use it and i don't think it

02:06:33.240 should be legal they spray it on ripe wheat to dry it out before they harvest it like this is

02:06:39.440 the food you're going to eat it's like the next step is to grind it and bake it into bread and

02:06:45.260 they are just one step away from you eating it and they're spraying it with glyphosate the whole

02:06:49.920 plant so that it will die quickly and dry out quickly and save them some money. Maybe they can

02:06:56.480 get the next crop in there four days earlier into that land. And by the way, that's been banned in

02:07:03.000 Europe, but not here in the United States. And they say, oh, Congress is messy. This is only

02:07:08.100 used on 3% of the wheat crops in the United States. First of all, I don't believe that.

02:07:12.820 But if it is true, then why don't we just grow something else there in that 3% where it's too

02:07:17.920 wet to grow wheat? Why don't we grow soybeans or something instead of wheat at that place or

02:07:23.080 something you don't need glyphosate to dry it out with? Or maybe you'll get 80 or 90% of the yield

02:07:28.660 you would have gotten if you hadn't sprayed poison on it to dry it out quickly. That's disgusting.

02:07:32.840 So I do think there are areas where I wouldn't ban it and I wouldn't tell my neighbors you can't

02:07:39.460 use it, but the company needs to have the right label on it. And if we know scientifically that

02:07:47.120 it can cause harm that needs to be disclosed so that the farmers who are using it i think it's a

02:07:52.160 threat to the farmers more so than the consumers well they're the ones i know are afraid of it

02:07:57.120 but it's also effective and so they do use it on fence lines for example so okay so glyphosate

02:08:02.000 warrantless spying epstein what are the other issues on which you've disagreed with the

02:08:07.400 president spending spending so this is probably my biggest issue and people want to know why

02:08:15.280 food's so expensive? Why is housing so expensive? Why is fuel so expensive? Why did things get so

02:08:21.460 expensive so quickly? And it started back during COVID. We just, we put spending into overdrive.

02:08:28.720 We used to say that we're a free market economy and we're not socialist because we spend 20% or

02:08:37.520 24% of GDP, the federal government things, and that Europe is socialist because they spend 30%

02:08:45.960 or more. Well, during COVID, we jumped up to like 35%. We were clearly, if there's a spectrum and

02:08:52.060 you draw a line on it and say, above this much federal spending is socialism and below this is

02:08:56.460 not, we crossed that line for several years after COVID. And it has gone down some without the big

02:09:02.980 stimulus spending, but the stuff that's baked in has stayed high. So we're like probably at 29%.

02:09:09.340 We've gone bonkers on federal spending. And I will tell you this, this is a fact,

02:09:17.220 the debt has gone up $2.7 trillion since in the 16 months that we've controlled the White House,

02:09:24.080 the House, and the Senate. It's gone up? It's gone up. So by the way, in some years,

02:09:29.100 I find it interesting. They try to blame the president for spending, even when, let's say,

02:09:36.520 the party, you know, there's a different party in Congress and a different party in the White

02:09:42.040 House. They always blame the president for the spending. I think they should blame the Congress.

02:09:45.980 But in this case, there's no ambiguity. We control the Senate, the House, and the White House. And

02:09:51.840 when you say, oh, it takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass anything. Yeah, it takes 60 votes to spend

02:09:56.940 money. Like the money would stop if you can't get 60 votes in the Senate. It's like the other way

02:10:03.100 around because the money expires every year unless you do a CR or an omnibus. So this is a place

02:10:09.000 where I have diverged with Republicans because they took Joe Biden's budget and using the big

02:10:15.260 beautiful bill added hundreds of billions of dollars of spending to it. And this is where I

02:10:19.280 get the ads run against me. You know, even though I voted for a wall and I voted most recently to

02:10:24.780 fund DHS. There was extra money for DHS and DOJ, which includes FBI, in the big, beautiful bill.

02:10:34.500 And I said, we can't afford this. And that's why they can run the ads that say I voted against.

02:10:39.780 Well, not just run the ads. Like, they've attacked, and I almost don't want to even go here,

02:10:44.020 but I'm so shocked by it. The president attacked your family, like, repeatedly and attacked your

02:10:49.880 personal life it's a little odd you know who decides to attack other people's personal lives

02:10:55.540 but um what did you think of that well it's ironic because i defended him when he gave stormy daniels

02:11:05.320 money this came up in front of us when i was on the oversight committee and they were trying to

02:11:10.840 turn it into a crime and because they said he should have run it through campaign a campaign

02:11:17.140 account instead of paying her personally. But I can tell you this, if I told my treasurer I wanted

02:11:23.700 to pay some woman to be quiet with my campaign money, he would say, no, you'll go to jail for

02:11:28.560 that. So they were actually trying to prosecute the president because he didn't do it a certain

02:11:34.480 way, which certainly would have gotten him in jail, right? And I pointed that out. And also

02:11:40.260 at the time, I pointed out in that hearing, this was three years ago, I think, there was a

02:11:45.080 congressional slush fund that did the same thing but with taxpayer dollars to pay off people who

02:11:50.600 had been harassed or sexually abused by congressmen and their staff and nobody wanted to hear that in

02:11:57.380 that hearing but i blew the whistle on that too what happened to the slush fund um we were able

02:12:03.860 to recently force a vote on disclosing not getting away from those not getting rid of the slush fund

02:12:09.780 I'm just saying which offices have paid out of this slush fund.

02:12:13.280 And it failed because Republicans and Democrats voted against the measure to disclose the

02:12:18.720 names on the slush fund.

02:12:20.740 So it still exists.

02:12:22.340 It still exists.

02:12:23.220 If I'm a member of Congress and I get sued for sexual harassment or blackmailed, I can

02:12:29.100 use tax dollars to pay off the accuser.

02:12:31.820 They pay off the accuser to avoid the lawsuit because if it becomes a lawsuit, then it's

02:12:37.700 public.

02:12:38.060 and by the way this is i'm calling it a slush fund and it's appropriate to do that because

02:12:44.400 every office congressional office gets a budget every year we have to divide it among

02:12:48.600 office expense and salaries and travel and postage and you know toner cartridges we don't even have

02:12:57.160 to take it out of that money to if you trying to pay off a claim before it goes to court it comes

02:13:04.120 out of an extra fund that's just got money somewhere anyways we we failed on that but i'm

02:13:10.660 the one that exposed that in the context of defending donald trump from the stormy daniels

02:13:16.180 allegations um that they had tried they really it was a tortured legal logic they were trying to

02:13:21.800 come up with to to convict him of something um and yet he has turned around and and in one

02:13:30.960 social media post um dishonored my late wife dishonored me and dishonored my current wife

02:13:38.900 by um alleging that i shouldn't have gotten remarried i got remarried 16 months after my

02:13:45.740 wife passed away i think this is common among men who are widowers who have wonderful marriages

02:13:53.360 if you I mean you seek that out you find out that you know what God had a good idea here when he

02:14:01.700 created man and woman and that you're better off in a monogamous relationship where two people care

02:14:07.560 about each other and when one gets sick the other takes care of that person you're and so I sought

02:14:14.800 that out again but the president who himself has had affairs I've never had an affair I'm faithful

02:14:21.720 to my wife for, we were together 35 years, married 31 years, high school sweethearts.

02:14:27.900 Here's somebody who I defended when he was trying to cover up his affair, criticizing

02:14:34.820 the fact that I got remarried in a church, in the eyes of God, according to Christian

02:14:41.440 religion.

02:14:43.760 But I didn't retaliate.

02:14:47.280 I didn't tweet back.

02:14:48.940 My wife tells me it's my fault anyway.

02:14:51.420 I should have invited him to the wedding.

02:14:53.720 And that's why he's mad that he didn't.

02:14:55.540 Well, you're a good man to laugh about it.

02:14:57.240 But that's a pretty heavy thing to say about somebody. 0.99

02:14:59.660 He called me a moron at the prayer breakfast. 0.99

02:15:02.080 Well, that's funny because you're obviously not a moron. 0.99

02:15:04.240 Well, and so I said, I'm glad I'm in his prayers. 0.98

02:15:08.880 Because it obviously wasn't a prayer he was saying at the prayer breakfast.

02:15:12.960 It just, I think what's so revealing about all of this is he,

02:15:16.260 you've never attacked him personally.

02:15:18.240 You don't seem mad at him personally.

02:15:20.380 Nope.

02:15:21.420 You're aligned on the issues that I think most people who voted for Trump in 2024 really believed in.

02:15:30.420 You're way more America first than anything this current administration is doing.

02:15:34.920 And he's mad at you because of like Epstein and spending.

02:15:42.220 Right.

02:15:42.880 Those are my main infractions.

02:15:45.180 And those are things that he and I both campaigned on and promised to eliminate. 0.69

02:15:50.220 to disclose the Epstein files

02:15:52.960 and to eliminate the wasteful spending.

02:15:55.500 And I'm just trying to keep my promises

02:15:57.380 to the people that I represent.

02:16:00.260 And he's keeping his promises to AIPAC.

02:16:03.140 So what do you think is going to happen?

02:16:07.420 In my race?

02:16:08.620 Yeah.

02:16:11.580 It's going to be really close.

02:16:13.600 It's going to depend on turnout.

02:16:15.860 And I think the most stark difference

02:16:20.160 that we can discern in the cross tabs.

02:16:22.620 You know, when you do polling,

02:16:23.860 if you've ever been polled,

02:16:25.080 maybe people haven't got to look

02:16:26.680 at the results of a full poll,

02:16:28.100 but there's 200 pages of cross tabs

02:16:30.100 that come from a poll

02:16:31.340 when you just poll 500 people.

02:16:33.900 Because at the end of the poll,

02:16:35.820 you ask, what's your race?

02:16:37.600 What's your religion?

02:16:38.460 How old are you?

02:16:39.840 You know, if sometimes in the poll,

02:16:41.520 you ask the income,

02:16:42.780 your household income,

02:16:44.480 and you look at the cross tabs

02:16:46.720 and try to find out,

02:16:48.120 is there a group of people

02:16:49.080 we're doing better with?

02:16:50.160 or worse with what do we have to work on and the most stark contrast in my cross tabs is age

02:16:56.340 and if um under 40 I win like 80 20 80 20 it's it's like it doesn't even look real okay and those

02:17:08.900 folks are getting their news from social media from podcasts from you I think uh between 40 and

02:17:15.920 65 I do really well that's that's the age group you and I are in yes those people I think watch

02:17:23.440 the news but they're suspicious of what they say and then the folks not all of them but I'm not

02:17:30.540 doing that well with 65 and up and I think that's because they're watching Fox News 24 7 and Fox

02:17:37.980 News has blocked me out I used to be on there every week I've went on your show when you were

02:17:44.060 on Fox. I've gone on Laura Ingram's show, Shannon Bream's show. I've gone on Hannity's show. I've

02:17:50.800 been on all those shows, but not in the last 18 months. Why? Because Fox wants access to the

02:17:57.200 White House. They want the scoop. They want to make sure they're in the press gaggle. They want

02:18:01.200 to be there when Marine One lands to ask a question. They want to get called on. And they

02:18:07.640 know that if they in any way let me have a platform that they will be deprived of those

02:18:15.740 things that they want from the white house and that's just how it works um so to get on fox i

02:18:22.280 have to buy ads to be on fox i can't be on the tv shows it's a wonder they'll still let me buy ads

02:18:28.900 but i think that's just because it's federal law if you'd asked most fox news voters viewers who

02:18:35.460 were Trump voters, if you'd asked them two years ago, like, state what you believe on

02:18:40.480 the issues, I'd think there'd be pretty close to 100% overlap between you and those people.

02:18:45.500 Absolutely.

02:18:46.160 Yeah.

02:18:47.540 So I don't feel like your views have changed.

02:18:50.600 Might have never changed, regardless of who the president is or who the speaker is.

02:18:56.940 But Trump's have changed dramatically.

02:18:59.360 At least the disconnect between what he said he was going to do and what he's doing is

02:19:02.280 shocking.

02:19:03.440 I, you know, when I endorsed him, I thought we wouldn't have a new war. I thought we would get warrants for FISA that they had used to spy on him. I thought that Maha would be front and center at the HHS with Bobby Kennedy there.

02:19:21.300 I thought that we would have sane foreign policy.

02:19:25.060 I thought that where we put America first,

02:19:27.000 that's my definition of sane.

02:19:28.520 I thought we would end our involvement

02:19:31.560 in the war in Ukraine. 1.00

02:19:33.100 I thought we would release all the Epstein files 1.00

02:19:35.560 and indict some of those SOBs. 0.90

02:19:39.300 And those are all the things I'm still fighting for. 0.99

02:19:44.480 Do you feel like there's more corruption

02:19:46.180 now than there was?

02:19:47.500 oh what is corruption well i don't know it's using the power of the government

02:19:53.900 in this case the federal government to advantage your business over others or using

02:19:59.800 say foreign policy like the idea that our foreign policy might be used by donors to make money for

02:20:07.460 themselves is a shocking idea. I think the conflicts of interest are increasing and not

02:20:18.300 adequately disclosed. And that the line between business and government is becoming blurred.

02:20:26.600 Let me give you an example. The government's taken a 10% stake in Intel. And they're bragging

02:20:31.960 that they're making money on this.

02:20:33.800 I remember when they took a stake in General Motors

02:20:37.360 and then bragged the same thing.

02:20:41.000 The problem once you commingle

02:20:43.400 government ownership and private ownership

02:20:45.700 is that the government is now predisposed

02:20:48.420 to see that company succeed

02:20:50.320 over the companies that haven't given them ownership.

02:20:53.680 In fact, the reputation of the person

02:20:56.320 whose name is on the ballot

02:20:57.960 is at stake if the company does well

02:21:00.480 or doesn't do well.

02:21:03.260 And so if there's any preferences

02:21:04.860 that can be given in contracts

02:21:08.160 with the government,

02:21:09.840 in permits to make buildings,

02:21:12.760 in trade deals,

02:21:14.080 then they go to that company

02:21:16.520 that the government has a stake in. 0.92

02:21:19.340 It's fundamentally un-American. 0.76

02:21:21.960 And I think we're seeing, 0.99

02:21:23.320 I know we're seeing more of that.

02:21:25.140 And I don't think we should embrace it.

02:21:26.820 I think we should reject it.

02:21:29.000 I had concerns at the beginning of January

02:21:32.260 when the U.S. government overthrew Maduro

02:21:34.800 and arrested him and his wife

02:21:35.840 and brought them to New York.

02:21:37.760 I predict he will not testify in open court

02:21:39.800 because that would not be good for the U.S. government

02:21:42.880 if he did that, but whatever, that happened.

02:21:45.800 And then there was this scramble

02:21:47.160 to get rich off the oil assets of Venezuela.

02:21:52.600 And I noticed that one of the people

02:21:54.640 who's funding the campaign against you now,

02:21:56.800 Paul Singer, one of the richest people in the world already, always eager to get richer for

02:22:01.000 some reason, was involved in a Venezuela-related business deal shortly before that exercise.

02:22:11.140 Am I misremembering this?

02:22:12.380 Yeah, this is just the one exception. 0.52

02:22:13.960 This is why I have to say 95% of the money motivated against me is because of Israel.

02:22:19.400 I've got to reserve 5% for Paul Singer in Venezuela. 0.68

02:22:23.360 He's known for buying troubled assets, distressed assets, and then a lot of times destroying the company or leveraging the company to get things, or the country.

02:22:37.740 Yes, Argentina.

02:22:38.960 big player in this. And it should not be lost on the voters in Kentucky that this billionaire

02:22:46.200 bought Citgo, which was the formerly nationalized oil company of Venezuela, for pennies on the

02:22:54.240 dollar and completed that transaction just a few weeks before we invaded Venezuela.

02:23:01.640 And it was such a good deal to get this company because it looks like, well,

02:23:06.960 under the current regime and the current rules and the current deals that Citgo has that

02:23:13.480 this stock is appropriately pennies on the dollar, but it goes from pennies on the dollar

02:23:18.280 to dimes on the dollar. And somebody can triple, quadruple, or get 10 times their money for that

02:23:24.140 distressed asset that they bought at a bargain basement price. If the political forces change

02:23:30.540 and then the U.S. government, in fact, the U.S. military gets involved in making sure that Citgo's

02:23:36.600 assets are safe and can be producing oil and refining it into gasoline. So if you, you can

02:23:44.500 ask an AI, this is one of the cool things about AI, right? Like if you're sitting at home watching

02:23:49.940 this, ask how many, how much money did Paul Singer stand to make by the U.S. invasion of Venezuela?

02:23:58.760 And it will tell you he stands to make, at least when I queried it, he stands to make more than

02:24:03.480 anybody else on the overthrow of maduro and that it could be in the billions of dollars

02:24:09.640 and this is the guy who's paying for the ad that says i'm having a throuple with aoc and ilhan

02:24:18.580 omar and running the ai of it in kentucky so that the older people who still think that ai is

02:24:25.800 artificial insemination for their cattle um are going to wonder how that was created with

02:24:31.220 artificial insemination uh and that's like from some start to finish that's the corruption

02:24:37.660 there it is and they're it's gonna they're gonna try to buy this seat and if they get away with it

02:24:43.740 it's like this is a referendum i don't think you're gonna vote your way out of this if if i

02:24:49.840 lose uh i think it's bleak well yeah because it means that people with business before the

02:24:57.520 government can use part of their proceeds to crush anyone who questions the deals that they're

02:25:04.340 benefiting from. Correct. And it's happening. My concern is that, and this is an even bigger

02:25:12.520 concern with what's happened in the current administration, if the lesson is that no matter

02:25:16.780 who you vote for, things stay the same or get worse, then there's no pressure relief valve

02:25:22.900 for the society and people get radical.

02:25:25.660 Let me give you another example

02:25:27.300 of where this is happening

02:25:28.540 with these data centers.

02:25:30.120 So twice I have seen

02:25:33.220 and stopped special provisions

02:25:36.100 from being inserted into U.S. law

02:25:39.200 to help data centers

02:25:40.380 over all other types of businesses.

02:25:43.840 In the big, beautiful bill,

02:25:46.560 Marjorie Taylor Greene and I

02:25:48.020 noticed that there was a couple pages

02:25:50.800 that would give immunity

02:25:52.280 for these data centers from state law,

02:25:56.440 like all state law,

02:25:57.640 but also went down to the local level,

02:26:01.860 including planning and zoning.

02:26:04.880 So in other words,

02:26:05.900 they were trying to get in the big, beautiful bill,

02:26:07.780 a federal law that wouldn't just trample

02:26:09.760 states' rights, abilities to regulate AI,

02:26:12.100 but it would trample your local city commission

02:26:16.920 or planning commission or county commission

02:26:19.020 from being able to decide where the smokestacks and the cul-de-sacs go and keeping them separate.

02:26:26.180 And so we fought and got that taken out of the bill.

02:26:29.240 The margin of passing the big, beautiful bill was so slim that we were able to insist that

02:26:34.280 they take that out there.

02:26:35.620 Marjorie withheld her vote until they took it out.

02:26:39.260 And then most recently in the Judiciary Committee, which has no jurisdiction over the EPA, I

02:26:47.240 was sitting there in a markup. That's where you bring like eight bills in front of the committee

02:26:51.220 and you're going to sit there for several hours and you're going to debate and amend the bills

02:26:54.540 in the committee of jurisdiction. And like the sixth bill out of eight was to give immunity

02:27:00.260 from lawsuits, from environmental lawsuits to data centers. Immunity for data centers?

02:27:07.520 For data centers. So I leaned over to a few of the Republicans on that committee and they said,

02:27:13.440 did you see this bill? What is this bill about? And then I asked Grock, I'm like, who, what five

02:27:18.760 companies would benefit the most from this bill? And I mean, that's a great thing about AI. It said

02:27:23.760 Oracle, Amazon, AWS, like it gave you five companies. Now, Grock didn't incriminate itself.

02:27:29.760 I didn't expect it would, but there's probably, Grock probably benefits from data centers.

02:27:34.260 You think?

02:27:35.120 So I'm surprised it was as honest as it was to me. And so what I did is in real time in this hearing,

02:27:42.220 I tweeted that these are the five companies

02:27:45.340 that are going to benefit

02:27:46.060 from this special provision of law if it happens.

02:27:48.800 I also said that, look,

02:27:50.320 there's eight environmental laws here that it cites.

02:27:53.360 And I may not even agree with these environmental laws,

02:27:56.080 but if we're going to give a reprieve,

02:27:57.900 if we're going to give anybody relief from it,

02:27:59.880 we need to give farmers and factories relief

02:28:03.300 and house builders the same kind of relief 0.95

02:28:06.800 that you're proposing to give the data centers. 0.91

02:28:09.720 Like, this is un-American.

02:28:10.900 This gets to, is it corruption or not? 0.88

02:28:13.360 I think it's corruption for-

02:28:15.400 By definition.

02:28:16.240 For corporations to be able to insert this.

02:28:19.220 It's an environmental provision

02:28:20.900 having to do with data centers,

02:28:22.820 but they figured out a way to get it 0.75

02:28:24.360 through judiciary committee.

02:28:26.020 And then I drafted a provision.

02:28:27.940 But where was Jim Jordan?

02:28:29.640 He was chairing the hearing.

02:28:32.740 But, and he, to his, you know, in his defense,

02:28:36.660 he may not have been looking very closely at this.

02:28:41.560 The chairman of the committee might not have read the legislation.

02:28:45.100 Okay.

02:28:45.520 Well, he does have to farm out some of this stuff.

02:28:48.540 I drafted an amendment in real time.

02:28:50.900 You try to think of creative ways that would brain damage the cronyism that they're trying to achieve.

02:28:58.880 And I thought, you know, they probably want to build these data centers in farms and farmland.

02:29:03.820 And so I drafted an amendment that said, okay, if this bill passes, excluded is any data center built in farmland, which if I had gotten that successfully passed, right, which I think would have been a popular amendment, and I probably could have got enough votes for it.

02:29:21.180 And then once it's in there, the data center guys are like, screw it, we don't even want this now.

02:29:26.160 We were going to build these into all the farms.

02:29:28.180 That's what was the whole purpose of the bill, to screw up the environment on the farmland, right?

02:29:32.640 You just screwed the whole bill.

02:29:33.940 This is so dark.

02:29:35.220 So here's where I'll defend Jim Jordan.

02:29:36.900 He had the good sense to pull the bill before we got to it.

02:29:40.360 Good.

02:29:40.740 So it got pulled from the hearing.

02:29:42.400 But I don't know that it would have happened if I hadn't got in there and started blowing the whistle.

02:29:47.020 So what's going to happen if I lose?

02:29:49.960 I don't think anybody would have been there that day to stop that provision, to kill it in the crib before it made it to the floor of the house.

02:29:57.840 on the glyphosate thing.

02:30:01.740 I don't know if we could have rallied Maha

02:30:04.080 and let enough people know about it to get that done.

02:30:07.440 Certainly the Prime Act wouldn't be in the farm bill.

02:30:09.820 There are lots of things,

02:30:10.960 good things that won't happen if I'm not there

02:30:13.740 and bad things that will happen if I'm not there.

02:30:16.160 And that's why I'm running.

02:30:17.840 What do you think, looking back 10 years from now,

02:30:20.480 we're going to think of this data center,

02:30:22.820 transformation of the country by data center?

02:30:24.700 I think these are going to be buildings at some point with vines growing on them, with wild animals crawling through the roofs and the rotted outdoors.

02:30:35.740 Because unlike farming, which is something we've been doing for thousands of years, these data centers, they're going to be obsolete in 10 or 20 years.

02:30:45.380 It'll be in outer space.

02:30:46.980 Elon's already got a plan to put them up there where they can get 100% solar all the time.

02:30:51.460 They get the energy and they beam the answer back to Earth.

02:30:54.220 I think it's a desecration of the planet

02:30:57.980 that is, we're going to have a hangover

02:31:01.440 while you and I are still alive

02:31:03.360 looking at these things and wondering,

02:31:05.460 well, what can we do with this empty shell

02:31:07.280 that was purpose-built?

02:31:08.080 They won't last as long as the steel mills

02:31:09.820 of Gary, Indiana.

02:31:10.940 Right.

02:31:12.360 It's all folly. 0.93

02:31:13.480 It's disgusting.

02:31:14.780 So I just want to,

02:31:15.520 I want to end with a story that's like,

02:31:18.280 not maybe a world historic story,

02:31:19.720 but it's just such a metaphor for everything.

02:31:22.940 And that's legislation that recently passed

02:31:25.400 that allows big companies in the government

02:31:28.520 to spy on you in your car.

02:31:30.540 Your car, well, it was your car.

02:31:32.260 It's now their car, apparently.

02:31:33.540 While you're in it.

02:31:35.180 Will you describe what this is,

02:31:37.180 the technology, the legislation,

02:31:38.740 and your position on it?

02:31:40.240 So in the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act

02:31:43.760 that was passed under Biden,

02:31:45.240 like tons of money thrown at things

02:31:47.880 that aren't really infrastructure.

02:31:49.500 They also included some new mandates

02:31:51.740 And one of the mandates that's impractical Orwellian and needs to go away is this mandate for every automobile made in 2027.

02:32:02.420 Like, we're just a few months away from this.

02:32:05.200 To be able to shut itself off, every car has to be able to judge your driving and shut down if it thinks you're impaired.

02:32:13.580 not and this isn't like the thing that you know if you've been convicted of a DUI that you have

02:32:19.120 to blow into to prove that you're not you know inebriated this will judge your driving I and

02:32:27.260 I've been fighting this ever since I've been fighting this for years I've fought it in the

02:32:31.860 transportation committee which I serve on I've cross-examined the NHTSA people who are responsible

02:32:38.040 for this. They will admit to me it can't work. It won't work right. I had a woman who testified

02:32:44.580 that there are about a billion car trips a day. If the failure, if the success rate of this

02:32:50.520 technology is 99.9%, that means there's going to be a million cars that won't start on any given

02:32:56.160 day. And I pointed out to her, well, it's not the car not starting because the technology actually

02:33:01.940 stops you mid-trip. So the car's going to, I guess it's going to pull you over and-

02:33:08.840 On the highway?

02:33:09.380 On the highway. You could be a mom with kids because you swerved a deer and then you got

02:33:14.260 in the breakdown lane because an ambulance went by. How does the car know? By the way,

02:33:19.000 it's going to have to know what road you're on. The technology they're proposing will

02:33:23.900 watch your face. It'll look for your gaze. It'll look at your pupils. It'll look at your

02:33:29.120 posture, look where your hands are, and judge whether you are competent to drive or not.

02:33:35.380 My question that I've asked over and over, I can't get an answer to, is if the dashboard,

02:33:40.480 if the AI in the dashboard and the cameras in your dashboard is the judge, the jury,

02:33:44.400 and the executioner, and you get pulled over on the side of the road and you're a mom with a

02:33:48.560 minivan full of kids, how do you appeal your sentence? Who's going to start the car back up?

02:33:53.780 Do you press a button and plead with another AI?

02:33:57.740 But a machine is watching you on behalf of your overlords in your own car. 0.84

02:34:03.460 If the North Koreans did this, we would say this is like classic Stalinist hellscape, right? 0.91

02:34:08.480 Right. 0.73

02:34:08.740 I don't even think the Chinese have proposed this yet. 0.99

02:34:12.720 It's ridiculous. 0.97

02:34:14.740 And, you know, I wouldn't trust a government with this power. 0.97

02:34:18.920 But who could possibly be for that?

02:34:21.780 it's um it's a coalition um mothers against drunk driving the and parents like they will bring

02:34:31.540 if you oppose this orwellian scenario they will bring to your office a very sad situation they'll

02:34:41.020 bring you know constituents who've had kids that died at the hands of drunk drivers right

02:34:45.760 And it's tough to tell them that this technology isn't going to work.

02:34:53.540 Like, so congressmen won't tell them that.

02:34:56.280 It's tough to tell them there are better ways to stop drunk driving or to prevent this from happening.

02:35:01.100 We don't even prosecute drunk driving when illegal aliens do it. 1.00

02:35:04.800 Right. 1.00

02:35:05.360 So there is no actual rule against drunk driving anymore in the United States if you are from a preferred ethnic group. 0.98

02:35:12.440 So, like, this whole thing is crazy. 0.98

02:35:13.960 That gets to the extra layer of justice or the bifurcation of justice.

02:35:20.640 We've got a system of justice for billionaires.

02:35:22.780 We've got a system of justice for illegals. 0.99

02:35:24.980 Yes.

02:35:25.480 And then we've got a system of justice the rest of us are expected to operate under.

02:35:31.220 Joe Biden said out loud, like, it's not a big deal.

02:35:33.780 Illegals get busted for DUI, so what?

02:35:36.800 When I was a county executive, I saw them come to our jail and say,

02:35:41.700 you got to let this guy go.

02:35:42.880 He's an illegal.

02:35:43.960 Like there's no way to prosecute him in a regular court system.

02:35:48.860 And that is crazy.

02:35:51.140 But this Orwellian kill switch system, twice I have forced a vote on this on the floor of the House.

02:35:58.720 I forced a debate and a vote.

02:36:01.220 And this is why we lose.

02:36:04.220 The uniparty, I can't get 218 people to take this provision of law out of law.

02:36:11.220 So there were Republicans who voted for this.

02:36:13.740 Yeah.

02:36:13.960 50 in the last cycle. The victory, by the way, and this is for me, and the reason they want me gone

02:36:21.340 is I can't force those 50 Republicans to do the right thing. I can't even compel them.

02:36:28.780 I can compel, I compelled to, you know, 170 of them to do the right thing. And there's 50 holdouts.

02:36:35.840 Why do they hate me in the swamp? Why do they want me gone? Part of the coalition is the people who

02:36:41.340 don't want transparency of course because twice i've forced that vote twice they've stood there

02:36:48.080 and taken the wrong vote against their constituents against the constitution for a dystopian future

02:36:53.880 and uh now they're outed you can go look at that list of 50 republicans and and mourn that your

02:37:02.540 republican is among them but then go to the ballot box and vote against them but you can't do that

02:37:07.400 if I'm not there

02:37:08.180 because who's going to force

02:37:09.400 that vote to happen?

02:37:11.760 13 days from today.

02:37:13.740 13 days from today.

02:37:15.760 I need to raise money

02:37:17.440 to go up against these billionaires,

02:37:19.620 hedge fund managers,

02:37:20.900 gambling magnets

02:37:21.820 that are making money

02:37:23.020 from Chinese gambling

02:37:24.260 and controlling our government. 0.65

02:37:27.020 MasseyMoneyBomb.com

02:37:28.240 is where we're raising the money.

02:37:31.400 It's all,

02:37:31.980 the average donation is $94

02:37:34.240 and we've had tens of thousands

02:37:36.740 of donors. This is the biggest battle, the biggest electoral battle this year. It's all the marbles.

02:37:44.320 Everybody's pushed all their chips in. The APAC has pushed in all their chips. All of the cronies

02:37:49.900 have pushed in their chips. And we're pushing in our chips. I'm doing everything I can for the

02:37:55.780 next 13 days. Godspeed. I'm certainly rooting for you so fervently. Thanks, Tucker. Thomas Massey,

02:38:00.620 thank you. Thank you, sir.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - May 07, 2026

Rep. Thomas Massie： Battling the Treachery of Trump’s Republican Party, AIPAC, and the Epstein Class

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