The Tucker Carlson Show - August 26, 2024


RFK Jr： Teaming up With Trump, Pavel Durov’s Arrest, CIA, and the Fall of the Democrat Party


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 28 minutes

Words per Minute

156.9415

Word Count

13,873

Sentence Count

963

Misogynist Sentences

15

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary

Bobby Kennedy Jr. joins CNN's John Avlonel to discuss his decision to endorse Donald Trump for president, why he thinks the Democratic Party is corrupt, and why it s time to elect a president who has dementia. He also reflects on the legacy of his late father and uncle, Robert Kennedy Sr., and how their ideas shaped his life and how he views the current state of American politics. And, of course, he explains why a Democratic presidential candidate should be chosen by the party, not the other way around. Tickets for J.D. Vance's upcoming tour stop in Hershey, PA, are on sale now. Tickets for the Horseshoe Tour with Tucker Carlson and John Aviano are available here. Tickets are also available on sale at tuckerclarkson.co/trucksandtour and tickets go on sale on Nov. 1st, with tickets starting at $29.95. We hope to see you in cities all across the country starting next week, but first, our interview with Bobby Kennedy Jr., his first since endorsing Donald Trump on Friday, is live on Tuesday, Nov. 15th at 7 PM ET on CNN's "Live from the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C., starting at 8 PM ET. on November 15th. Thanks for listening, and for supporting the show. -John Aviano and Tucker Carlson, Jr. and the Tucker Carlson Podcast. Thank you so much for your support of Tucker Carlson's new podcast, TuckerCarlson's new book "Tucker Carlson's New York Times" and New York Magazine's "New York Magazine" and for his support of the Trump campaign, "The Devil's Guide to America's Most Influential Podcast." and his new book, "America's Most Powerful Man." Thank You, Tucker Carlson Jr. for being a Friend of the Party? - Thank You For Being My Brother, My Brother and My Brother & My Sister, My Friend, My Sister & My Brother's Journalist, My Family, My Father, My Country, My President, My Son, My Dad, My Lady, My Girl, My Boy, My Mom, My Wife, My Dog, My Gave Me a Call, My House, My Mother, My Thoughts, My Journey, My Life, My Dreams, My Best Friend, And My Thoughts & My Story, And So Much More! & Much More. and My Family's


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00:00:00.080 We're honored to announce that J.D. Vance, the vice presidential nominee, is confirmed for a live tour stop in Hershey, Pennsylvania, next month.
00:00:08.980 Tickets are on sale at TuckerCarlson.com. We hope to see you there. We'll be in cities all across the country starting next week.
00:00:16.120 But first, our interview with Bobby Kennedy Jr., his first since endorsing Donald Trump on Friday. Here it is.
00:00:22.020 So people were shocked. I know a lot of people you know well were shocked when you endorsed Trump.
00:00:26.440 I was not shocked because for all the areas where you disagree on specific issues, there's a consistent theme that I have noticed in both of your lives, which is you've both spent the majority of your life, well, in your case, your whole life in the American ruling class.
00:00:41.520 And both of you decided that it was corrupt and that you were going to say so out loud at great risk, at great risk to both of you.
00:00:50.640 And so it was probably just a matter of time before you aligned in some way. Is that how you see it?
00:00:55.160 Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I think there's been a bunch of realignments, political realignments, about four or five throughout American history.
00:01:05.420 And I think we're going through one right now with the Democratic Party and with both political parties really changing in this very dramatic way.
00:01:13.980 And you and I talked earlier about the transformation of the Republican Party into the party of environmentalism.
00:01:22.620 And, you know, the Democratic Party has one now, one environmental issue, which is this carbon orthodoxy, which ends up benefiting, you know, the oil companies and BlackRock and Goldman Sachs with offshore wind and carbon capture, $100 billion carbon capture projects, which is part of just the strip mining of the middle class.
00:01:46.840 And that's the only issue you can talk about in the Democratic Party.
00:01:50.600 I got into the environmental movement to do habitat protection, to do wildlife conservation.
00:01:54.660 Exactly.
00:01:55.500 To get toxics out of our kids.
00:01:57.760 Amen.
00:01:58.100 And none of these are issues that Democrats, that the party itself, Democrats care about them, but the party itself doesn't.
00:02:06.160 There's been these big, profound realignments.
00:02:08.420 And it's not only on that issue.
00:02:09.880 It's really the, you know, the domination of this corrupt merger of state and corporate power that is happening in Washington, D.C.
00:02:21.040 Now, where our democracy has really been subverted by the industries that have taken over the regulatory agencies and they've transformed them into sock puppets or corporate profit taking and basically wholly owned subsidiaries of the industries they're supposed to regulate.
00:02:42.920 And the Democrats, for a variety of reasons, and I watched it happen over many, many years, have clung to this illusion of these democratic institutions that they're still democratic.
00:02:59.120 And they have a belief, we all have the capacity to judge ourselves on our intentions rather than our actions.
00:03:06.160 Yes.
00:03:06.580 Right?
00:03:07.940 Been there.
00:03:08.840 So, and the Democratic Party judges itself, it sees itself, my friends who are Democrats see themselves as part of the good guys, the white hats, and that, you know, it's kind of, they're like the good guys who are in Fort Apache surrounded by the, you know, the forces of barbarism that are about to storm the gate.
00:03:36.100 And they're the only ones, and they're the only ones, the only way to keep it at bay is to elect a president who has dementia.
00:03:45.260 And because you're voting for the apparatus.
00:03:48.020 Yes.
00:03:48.220 And you're not voting for, you know, or another president, then to handpick a presidential candidate without any elections to basically get rid of democracy in order to save it.
00:04:01.320 And handpick a candidate who, in 40 days now, has not given a single interview on any media outlet.
00:04:12.500 And I think about when my uncle and father would think about that, you know, they prided themselves on being able to go on debate.
00:04:21.940 It was the centerpiece, you know, to have the whole, you know, function of democracy was to anneal ideas in the furnace of debate and have them rise up in, you know, the marketplace of ideas.
00:04:34.440 And the idea that, you know, and we had this British tradition of Churchill and the others and the House of Commons, you know, and being able to defend their policies and being forced to defend their policies articulately, eloquently.
00:04:51.280 And, you know, my uncle and father just thought we should – ideas are important and we should be able to defend them.
00:05:01.060 And if you can't defend them, there's something wrong with you.
00:05:03.860 Yes.
00:05:04.440 And, you know, why – so we have a presidential candidate that was selected by the Democratic Party who can't do that.
00:05:13.880 And, you know, one of the things that my uncle and father were always thinking about is how do we look to the rest of the world, right?
00:05:20.480 They were conscious that America was the template for democracy.
00:05:26.160 When we created a modern democracy in 1789 or 1791 when the Bill of Rights was ratified, we were the only democracy on earth.
00:05:37.460 By 1865, during the end of the Civil War, there were five, and they were all modeled on America.
00:05:43.620 And by the time my uncle took office, there was about 150, and by the time – by the end of the 60s, there's 190.
00:05:52.700 They're all based on the American model.
00:05:56.700 And, you know, we very much were the exemplary nation.
00:06:01.360 We were the example of democracy around the globe and people – and they were very conscious.
00:06:05.600 They were, you know, they were embarrassed at first by the civil rights movement because they said, what is the rest of the world going to think about it?
00:06:13.300 And then they realized, well, we better correct, you know, the problem.
00:06:17.080 Yeah.
00:06:17.320 Because – but they – everything that they did, they were conscious that they were being watched.
00:06:23.040 What is the rest of the world think of American democracy right now that, you know, we have in one party selected a man with dementia to lead the free world
00:06:37.580 and then turned around and picked a person, a woman who cannot give an interview.
00:06:46.420 She cannot defend American – her vision or America's record in the world.
00:06:51.780 And then she gave this – you know, Vice President Harris gave this speech at the convention that was written by neocons.
00:07:02.540 And they had CIA directors talking at the Democratic convention, military people talking at the Democratic convention.
00:07:10.220 My father and my uncle were the party of anti-war.
00:07:14.020 My uncle was asked by his best friend, Bill – Ben Bradley, one of his two best friends who ran the Washington Post,
00:07:22.600 what do you want on your graves, on your epithets?
00:07:25.900 And my uncle said immediately he kept the peace.
00:07:29.140 He said the primary job of a president of the United States was to keep the country out of war.
00:07:34.060 He said he didn't want children in Africa and Latin America and Asia, when they heard about the United States of America, to think of a man with a gun.
00:07:44.460 They wanted him to think of a Peace Corps volunteer and the Alliance for Progress and USAID,
00:07:49.160 which were programs that he created to build the middle class, to end-run the oligarchs, end-run the military hunters that used to receive a U.S. aid,
00:07:59.900 and instead go directly to the poor and build institutions, education and health,
00:08:04.860 and all of the institutions of democracy to continue to model it for the rest of the world
00:08:11.260 and live up to what we were supposed to be doing, which is to encourage the growth of democratic rule.
00:08:18.500 So now you have a – you know, we have a system that's produced people who – you know,
00:08:27.280 a candidate in the Democratic Party who can't even defend America's record in the world
00:08:36.120 and who is parroting this kind of warmongering, you know, military domination ideology that's gotten us in such trouble.
00:08:45.960 It's caused a calamity in our country.
00:08:49.260 It's gutted the middle class.
00:08:51.060 It's made us a pariah around the globe.
00:08:53.460 It's created – and it led to the rise of bricks.
00:08:57.060 It's leading to the rise of totalitarianism all over the world.
00:09:00.340 And, you know, I'd say this finally, that the – if you really look at what's happening in the Democratic Party today,
00:09:10.000 it's a party that – the word demos in Greek means people.
00:09:15.160 But it's a party that's lost faith in the people.
00:09:17.640 It's a party that needs ironclad control.
00:09:22.180 So they didn't trust anybody to have a real election.
00:09:25.600 They got rid of the primaries because they didn't trust the people.
00:09:28.320 They then picked – handpicked Vice President Harris with no election, no even pretense of election
00:09:35.760 because they didn't trust the people.
00:09:38.620 And, you know, you have – and they're the party now of censorship.
00:09:44.260 And –
00:09:44.600 How can you have a democracy with censorship?
00:09:47.040 You cannot have a democracy.
00:09:49.220 They're absolutely incompatible.
00:09:51.540 And everybody knew that everybody – you know, you and I were raised reading Orwell and Alice Huxley and, you know, Robert Heinlein and Alexander Solzhenitsyn
00:10:04.660 and all of these other books that were part of classical literature that was taught in every American classroom.
00:10:11.160 It said the first step to totalitarianism is always – it begins with censorship.
00:10:18.220 It's the first step down that slippery slope.
00:10:21.020 There's no time that we look back in history and say the people who are censoring speech were the good guys.
00:10:26.940 They're always the bad guys because we knew, you know, we know that they're the guys who are going to end up cracking the whip on us all
00:10:35.360 and, you know, being our overlords.
00:10:39.800 And then, you know, the whole thing about – like you and I have talked about that clip of Tim Waltz,
00:10:49.800 Governor Waltz, saying that government should be the ultimate arbiter of what is protected speech and what is not.
00:10:58.180 You know, he said if something that the First Amendment does not protect, misinformation and disinformation, but it does.
00:11:07.240 The First Amendment was written to protect not only true speech but false speech.
00:11:14.100 And speech – it wasn't there and it's unnecessary to protect the kind of speech that everybody wants to hear.
00:11:22.520 It's there to protect the kind of speech that nobody wants to hear.
00:11:25.520 Right. And especially speech that is critical of the people in charge.
00:11:29.420 Exactly.
00:11:30.100 And so in their current formulation, misinformation is defined as any speech that criticizes the job that they're doing.
00:11:36.200 So with that in mind, you see the Biden administration encouraging France, Macron, to arrest the owner and founder of Telegram, Pavel Durov,
00:11:45.600 who's now, as of right now, in a French prison.
00:11:49.300 That seems like – I mean, that's the hallmark of dictatorship, it sounds to me.
00:11:53.620 Yeah, well, you know, we've lost Europe.
00:11:58.080 Europe is now – does not have free speech.
00:12:01.840 You know, look what's happened to Elon Musk in here.
00:12:03.880 Elon Musk should be the hero of the Democratic Party.
00:12:06.340 Of the old Democratic Party, he wouldn't be the hero.
00:12:09.600 Somehow he became a villain because he was actually the only platform that would allow free speech on his platform.
00:12:16.540 And he's now become a villain because of it, because the Democratic Party does not believe in the people.
00:12:22.560 If you don't believe in free speech, it means because you don't trust the people.
00:12:28.500 You don't trust them to figure it out on their own, you know, to have information on which they can base their ideas and their notions and their beliefs.
00:12:39.300 And their votes.
00:12:40.720 And their votes.
00:12:41.560 And that the government has to protect them from dangerous information, from things that might put bad ideas into their heads.
00:12:50.780 And it's very patronizing, but it's also very manipulative and conniving.
00:12:57.420 And really, it's exactly the opposite of democracy.
00:13:00.560 And you will not find a single Democrat who will criticize it.
00:13:08.500 It's really astonishing to me because the Democrats always like them.
00:13:14.080 You know, when I endorsed Trump, the big, you know, the big, kind of the fulcrum of the centerpiece of the text of hatred that I got back, this kind of seething anger.
00:13:26.940 So many Democrats was, well, look what he did on January 6th.
00:13:30.560 Okay, January 6th was a bad day in American history.
00:13:35.640 And what President Trump did there, in my view, was very bad.
00:13:42.400 It was reprehensible.
00:13:44.800 But was the republic really at risk?
00:13:50.080 You know, we have the U.S. military.
00:13:53.120 We have the National Guard.
00:13:54.460 You have, you know, they have all the institutions.
00:13:56.640 We have Congress.
00:13:57.540 We have all these institutions of government.
00:14:00.560 And there was a mob of people, most of them who probably didn't know what was happening.
00:14:05.560 Some of them were very badly in tension and were breaking the law.
00:14:09.600 But it wasn't a threat to the republic.
00:14:13.100 What is a threat, and this is what you cannot explain to a Democrat now, and it's astonishing to me.
00:14:19.000 What is a threat is when the government is censoring your speech, political speech.
00:14:25.900 And, you know, I just won Tucker last week.
00:14:28.800 But that was the centerpiece of democratic ideology was free speech.
00:14:32.880 Exactly.
00:14:33.540 I mean, the word liberal means free speech.
00:14:35.500 That's where it comes from.
00:14:36.700 That must be weird for you, being named Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and spending your entire life in this world.
00:14:44.220 Like, what's that like?
00:14:46.220 It, I mean, that, you know, let me just say this.
00:14:54.560 I won a lawsuit.
00:14:57.600 I won a new judgment in my lawsuit, Kennedy v. Biden, last week.
00:15:03.180 And Kennedy v. Biden was part of two lawsuits that were brought, one by the attorney generals of Missouri and Louisiana and the other by me for the same issues, which was the Biden administration's censorship of speech.
00:15:18.240 And so there's a series of decisions.
00:15:20.780 There's a 155-page decision.
00:15:22.760 The attorney general's case went up to the Supreme Court and was rejected because they, the Supreme Court found that those attorney generals didn't have a standing to sue because they weren't directly harmed.
00:15:35.340 My case this week, the federal judge, Doty, said Kennedy does have a standing to sue.
00:15:41.660 And he reinforced, reissued his injunction against the Biden administration.
00:15:47.260 So I have an administration, an injunction right now against the Biden White House and joined them from censoring me, which they've been doing.
00:15:57.280 They, the, the 155-page decision by Judge Doty details everything that happened.
00:16:04.380 37 hours after he took the oath of office, President Biden's White House opened up a portal for the FBI to begin to have access to social media posts.
00:16:17.260 on all the different social media sites.
00:16:20.020 And they, the FBI then invited in the CIA, DHS, the IRS, and CISA.
00:16:30.240 CISA is this new agency that is the center of the censorship industrial complex.
00:16:36.860 That is in charge of making sure Americans don't hear things that their government doesn't want them to hear.
00:16:42.160 And those agencies and other agencies, including the health agencies like CDC, were given access to go into the social media sites and change posts and slow walk things and, uh, and shadow ban posts.
00:16:59.880 That, it was part of that effort.
00:17:01.520 They removed my Instagram account.
00:17:04.180 I had almost a million followers.
00:17:05.660 I, they say it was for misinformation, but they could not point to a single post that I ever made that was factually erroneous.
00:17:13.540 And they actually, Facebook pushed back in the email chain.
00:17:17.960 You can see Facebook pushing back at the White House and saying, wait a minute, he's not, um, this isn't misinformation.
00:17:26.020 This is, this is not factually erroneous.
00:17:28.000 What they're saying is actually true.
00:17:29.800 And they had to invent a new word, which is called malinformation, which is information that is factually true, but nevertheless inconvenient for the government.
00:17:39.260 And that became disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation.
00:17:43.420 That's what that is.
00:17:45.080 So, everybody, and, and.
00:17:47.780 Isn't that illegal?
00:17:48.420 That's illegal.
00:17:48.880 Yeah, and the, and the emails show that Facebook, the people said this, these, they were saying about the White House and their private emails with each other.
00:17:58.040 These people are cynical, you know, terrible people.
00:18:02.680 And they knew what they were doing was breaking the law, but they were under tremendous pressure.
00:18:07.820 I mean, Facebook has all these deals with the government and, you know, as do all the media companies with the intelligence agencies and elsewhere.
00:18:15.680 Plus, they, they were, they were, the, the White House was overtly telling them that they were going to, if they didn't comply, that their Section 230 immunity was in jeopardy.
00:18:33.140 So, Section 230 immunity is the, you know, is, is, uh, just so that your listeners know what it is.
00:18:40.860 I used to write for the New York Times regularly.
00:18:46.420 Every time I wrote lawyer, an article, lawyers would call me and fact check everything in that article.
00:18:53.640 Because if I wrote something that was defamatory in that article, and somebody was defamed, that person could sue me, but they could also sue the New York Times.
00:19:05.660 So, the social media site said, we cannot hire lawyers to look at every post and call the people and check on it when, you know, on Facebook or Instagram.
00:19:17.700 So, if this industry is going to function, we need to be able to not be liable for what is published on our site.
00:19:27.300 And that is called Section 230 of the Communications Act.
00:19:30.520 And Congress said, if you are just a platform, a mere platform, that, um, for other people to publish, like Facebook is, like Instagram, like Twitter or X, that you, you're immune.
00:19:45.720 Nobody can sue you.
00:19:46.720 They can sue the person who wrote the post, but they can't sue Facebook.
00:19:50.700 So, Mark Zuckerberg said, if they take away our Facebook, our Section 230 immunity, it is existential, meaning we will no longer exist.
00:20:02.080 And so, they were terrified because Congress was actually considering removing Section 230 immunity.
00:20:07.620 And the White House was telling them, if you don't censor our political critics, we're going to take away your Section 230 immunity.
00:20:15.120 If President Trump did that, the Democrats would go berserk.
00:20:21.640 Well, that's criminal behavior.
00:20:22.860 If anyone does that, it's a criminal.
00:20:24.260 Right.
00:20:24.580 They're violating the First Amendment, the Constitution, for starters.
00:20:29.500 Yeah.
00:20:30.300 And, um, so that's what happened.
00:20:32.900 And, you know, my, my idea is that if somebody does something bad, it shouldn't matter whether they're Democrat or Republican.
00:20:40.840 I agree.
00:20:41.240 It is, you know, we should all be going after them, and we should be going after them as a society.
00:20:46.520 How much does it cost you to use the Internet?
00:20:49.560 Well, it's free, right?
00:20:50.820 Google's free.
00:20:51.980 Facebook is free.
00:20:53.200 Instagram, totally free.
00:20:55.640 That's what you've been convinced of.
00:20:58.180 But it's a trick.
00:20:59.900 None of it is free.
00:21:01.780 In fact, you're paying with your data.
00:21:04.860 Everything you do online can be seen and sold, not just to companies, but to governments, including foreign governments, and often is.
00:21:16.060 So how do you reclaim your online privacy?
00:21:18.560 It's important.
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00:23:32.680 What I don't understand, and it is baffling to me having known a lot of Democrats, but you've been in that world your whole life.
00:23:52.520 How do people who say they believe in civil liberties suddenly think it's okay for the government to prosecute its political opponents and silence them?
00:24:05.340 How do they think that?
00:24:06.120 You know, to me, it's a—I've thought a lot about that.
00:24:11.220 I bet.
00:24:12.020 And it's about tribalism, you know, that people put themselves in these tribal categories, and we're hardwired for tribalism.
00:24:22.000 That's why orthodoxies are so popular that, you know, people get sucked into various kind of orthodoxies, whether it's ideological orthodoxies or religious orthodoxies.
00:24:31.920 And that impulse is really—it's not a religious impulse.
00:24:37.400 It's a biological impulse, and it's an impulse that's hardwired in us from the 20,000 generations we spent wandering the African savannah and tiny little groups that were warring each other, where there was always a male leader, where, you know, the women were traded as chattels because you couldn't marry your sister.
00:24:56.740 So you knew from the beginning she was going to be a trade good, and you were going to trade her for somebody else.
00:25:03.000 She had no power.
00:25:05.720 And where you all had to ascribe to an orthodoxy and see no problems with people who were within your in-group, and people who were outside were subhuman, and they could be killed.
00:25:18.980 And if they made a mistake, you know, you wanted to talk about it.
00:25:21.800 Everybody would talk about it.
00:25:23.860 We're all hardwired that way because that's where our, you know, our wiring comes from.
00:25:30.040 And when somebody gets subsumed in an orthodoxy, it's very, very difficult to unravel it.
00:25:36.200 And there are all kinds of psychiatric tretises about how do you deprogram somebody?
00:25:43.160 You know, how do you talk somebody out of an orthodoxy?
00:25:48.640 And, you know, the little that I know about it is that if you challenge them directly, you challenge their belief, it pours concrete on it.
00:25:58.800 And it makes them less able to move off that.
00:26:03.000 They get very defensive.
00:26:04.860 And, you know, the way to approach them, there are ways to approach them.
00:26:07.980 There's deprogramming protocols, and they usually include a lot of Socratic method of asking them questions about their belief.
00:26:16.600 But it's a one-on-one, it's a one-on-one project enterprise.
00:26:24.320 And it's not something that you can do with the whole Democratic Party overnight.
00:26:28.440 Something has to happen that's going to make this, you know, this tribal thinking unravel because it's really destroying our country.
00:26:35.220 And the polarization, what's happening on both sides, is put on steroids by these social media algorithms that reward people for staying on the site as long as possible.
00:26:52.020 So the algorithm, all the algorithm knows is I've got to keep as many eyeballs on the site as possible.
00:26:58.220 So it turns out that the way people stay on the site is if you fortify their existing opinions.
00:27:05.620 Of course.
00:27:06.020 If you feed them information that consolidates their worldview.
00:27:12.100 Yes.
00:27:12.740 And so, you know, we have this problem now where it's not just polarization like the Civil War, but it's polarization on steroids because you've got machines that are manipulating us to hate each other more every single day.
00:27:26.140 So knowing all this, as you do and have for a long time, you know, the most radical step you can make if you're a Democrat is endorsing Donald Trump.
00:27:35.840 So there are political calculations involved, there are ideological calculations, but there are also, of course, personal calculations.
00:27:41.280 So you know once you do that, you've burned your boats, like that's it.
00:27:45.220 You're not going back to wherever you were 10 years ago.
00:27:47.520 So how hard a decision was that for you personally?
00:27:51.180 It was a very good, it was an obvious decision for me.
00:27:55.340 It should have been, but it was a very, very difficult decision.
00:27:58.740 And we had, you know, I have a very, very good team around me.
00:28:02.060 And I was most worried about my wife, who was, about Cheryl, who, you know, who, you know, was not comfortable with it.
00:28:14.560 She is a, you know, lifelong Democrat.
00:28:17.580 She comes from, she's not the aristocracy.
00:28:19.900 She comes from a very, you know, I would say poor family in North Florida.
00:28:26.060 But she found her way through, through idealism to the Democratic Party and that, and she shares a lot of those values.
00:28:37.400 And her industry is very, very much aligned with the Democratic Party, probably more than any industry in our country and more than any town in our country.
00:28:48.760 So this, for me, was likely to have huge impacts on her.
00:28:54.560 And ultimately, if she had told me, you can't do this, I wouldn't have done it.
00:29:00.140 So, but I'm very grateful that she overcame, she allowed me to do it.
00:29:09.480 She was not embracing it, but she said, I understand why you have to do this.
00:29:13.700 And her, and we had a four-day meeting up in Hyannisport, my home, where kind of everybody, my family members, my kids, many other people,
00:29:26.100 Tony Robbins attended remotely, and a number of other kind of spiritual leaders, just people who cared deeply about our country,
00:29:37.680 chimed in, and made cases on both sides.
00:29:42.760 And people from the campaign organization did.
00:29:46.280 But here was the calculus that ultimately was persuasive for me.
00:29:51.920 My, if I, all of our internal polling showed from the outset,
00:29:58.400 and if I stayed in the Democratic Party, I was going to get President, Vice President Harris elected.
00:30:04.840 57% to 60% and even more, sometimes up to 66% of my voters, my followers said that if I withdrew from the election,
00:30:17.780 they were going to vote for Trump, which is ironic, by the way, Tucker,
00:30:21.680 because President Trump and the RNC did nothing to prevent me from being on the ballots.
00:30:27.580 They didn't have a big, major organization sending private eyes out.
00:30:35.500 You know, I, the Democratic Party was interviewing literally everybody I've ever met in 70 years to collect dirt on me.
00:30:44.460 I got a call.
00:30:46.420 They've been doing that, I know for a fact, for over a year, as you know.
00:30:49.920 Yeah, and they had, they were open about it.
00:30:52.000 This is what we're going to do.
00:30:53.720 They put a person in charge of it named Liz Smith, who's, you know, who's, that's the kind of person she is.
00:31:01.960 She, this is what she does.
00:31:03.060 She does negative research on people and tries to characterize it.
00:31:05.700 Liz Smith, Elliot Spitzer's old girlfriend?
00:31:07.640 Yes.
00:31:08.340 Oh.
00:31:09.320 And she was in charge of that team.
00:31:11.440 And then there was other people as well.
00:31:13.300 Mary Beth Cahill had been my uncle, Teddy Sheeva-Sav, who I knew.
00:31:16.760 And Liz Smith was in charge of the, you know, the negative research, or what they call negative research, euphemistically.
00:31:25.260 And I got calls from, you know, for example, a guy that I met at an AA meeting 40 years ago.
00:31:32.440 And he received a call.
00:31:34.200 Most of my family members received calls, contacts, either text or telephone calls from people who said,
00:31:40.920 I'm doing intelligence for the DNC, and, you know, we'd like to talk to you about Robert Kennedy, and if you have any negative information about him.
00:31:51.420 So, I was getting that, you know.
00:31:54.040 What could possibly be the justification for that?
00:31:56.280 Well, they didn't want me running.
00:31:57.920 And that's the thing, is it's not democratic.
00:32:00.560 It wasn't, you know.
00:32:02.360 That's such a mafia tactic.
00:32:03.680 Yeah, yeah.
00:32:05.740 So, I mean, but the point is, it was weird.
00:32:09.800 It was not smart, because I was actually helping the Democrats.
00:32:13.980 And if they just let me stay in, and they didn't run this campaign against me, they probably would win this election.
00:32:20.860 And because I was hurting Trump, oddly, Trump didn't do anything about it.
00:32:26.940 He's, you know, he was kind of, he made a couple of statements about me, that I was a communist, etc.
00:32:34.300 But they were sort of good-natured, you know, the stuff that you, you're like, okay, that's okay.
00:32:41.240 They weren't, like, calling my old girlfriend saying, you know, what, you know, what did he do, or, you know, whatever they were asking him.
00:32:51.220 So, so, but the DNC was up to that.
00:32:57.320 And, and.
00:32:59.640 Were you shocked by that?
00:33:02.820 Was I shocked?
00:33:06.680 I don't know.
00:33:07.820 I mean, I was, I'm, I feel like I'm, I'm in a place now where nothing surprises me anymore.
00:33:18.300 I bet you are.
00:33:21.220 So, but, um, uh, I, I don't know.
00:33:28.700 I mean, anyway.
00:33:30.460 They're going to drop all that stuff now, obviously.
00:33:33.080 Right?
00:33:33.720 What?
00:33:34.640 Are they going to get rid of Liz Smith and put her on some other project?
00:33:38.880 I don't know.
00:33:39.460 I just, you sort of wonder how does Liz Smith live with herself?
00:33:42.420 I mean, that's so repulsive.
00:33:43.820 Like, how does she justify that to herself?
00:33:45.960 I have to, I mean, and I met her, she's not stupid.
00:33:48.460 Um, but that is disgusting.
00:33:50.160 No.
00:33:50.840 The, I mean, you've lived a life famously.
00:33:53.860 And if you have a team of researchers digging into it.
00:33:57.320 And I have not led a careful life, by the way.
00:33:59.840 Oh, I mean, I know.
00:34:00.560 I said, you know, my first, my first, during my announcement speech, I said, you know, I
00:34:06.740 had told my wife this, told Cheryl this a couple of days before.
00:34:09.720 I said, I have so many skeletons in my closet that if they could vote, I could run for king
00:34:13.860 of the world.
00:34:14.360 But, you know, I know stuff's going to come out about me because I led, let me put it,
00:34:20.280 a colorful life.
00:34:21.420 Yeah.
00:34:22.380 And, um, and, you know, people have all kinds of stories about me, but, so I was, I'm ready
00:34:28.300 for, you know, I'm ready for, I was, I never done anything criminal in terms of like, this
00:34:34.520 is stealing money or self-enrichment.
00:34:37.320 I did a lot of stupid stuff and a lot of.
00:34:39.320 Have you gotten rich off pointless foreign wars?
00:34:42.000 No, I have not done that yet.
00:34:43.440 Oh, you haven't.
00:34:44.180 Okay.
00:34:44.520 You haven't forced people to inject substances in their bodies?
00:34:48.820 Okay.
00:34:48.940 No, I've never done any of that.
00:34:50.580 But anyway, so it became clear to me that if, if Kamala got elected, the issues that I
00:34:58.700 cared about, which is ending the foreign wars, um, you know, the, the unjust wars, the
00:35:05.620 immoral wars, the wars of choice like Ukraine, um, stopping the censorship, which I
00:35:11.360 think is existential for our democracy and then protecting children from this extraordinary
00:35:17.820 exploding chronic disease epidemic.
00:35:20.380 Those are the three reasons that got me into the campaign.
00:35:22.900 That's why I ran for president.
00:35:24.240 Those are three reasons.
00:35:25.280 That if she got elected, I'm 70 years old, that eight years from now, our kids are going
00:35:33.060 to be lost.
00:35:33.900 And that, and if she's president for eight years, my chance to do anything about it would
00:35:39.460 be gone.
00:35:39.940 Yes.
00:35:40.960 And that, and then I got a contact from Callie Means, who you know, well, you've, you know,
00:35:46.960 made one of the best, one of the best shows, um, ever put on TV, ever aired was your interview
00:35:52.840 with Callie and his wife.
00:35:55.040 Casey and Callie, for those of you who haven't seen the show, his, his show is a, um, is an
00:36:01.540 expert, a genius, brilliant, articulate, eloquent, and incredible encyclopedic knowledge on the
00:36:10.320 food system and what is corrupting it, what is causing the corruption at FDA, at USDA, that
00:36:17.940 the capture of those agencies by the processed food industry, by the chemical industry, by
00:36:23.060 the pharmaceutical industry, that actually profit on sick children.
00:36:27.560 And one of the things that Callie says, there is nothing more profitable in our society
00:36:32.940 today than a sick child, because it, all of these entities are making money on them.
00:36:38.260 The insurance companies, the hospitals, the medical cartel, the pharmaceutical companies
00:36:42.880 have lifetime annuities.
00:36:45.320 I mean, any child that, and they're earlier, that kid is sick.
00:36:48.500 They don't want to kill him.
00:36:50.180 They want him sick for the rest of their lives.
00:36:52.300 And we have now a whole generation when my uncle was president, 6% of Americans.
00:36:57.560 Americans had chronic disease today, it's 60%.
00:36:59.920 When my uncle was president, do you know what the, the, uh, the cause, the annual cause
00:37:07.240 of treating chronic disease was in this country?
00:37:10.260 Zero.
00:37:11.420 There weren't even any drugs invented for it.
00:37:14.080 Zero.
00:37:15.500 Today, it's about $4.3 trillion.
00:37:18.000 When your uncle was president-
00:37:19.140 And none of it is necessary.
00:37:20.220 What, what was the autism rate in 1960?
00:37:22.520 Do we have-
00:37:22.880 In 1960, the autism rate, there's about four, five studies, and the, the, the, the, the
00:37:30.680 highest rate, say about one in 2,500, one in 1,500, one in 1,500, one in 10,000.
00:37:38.240 Oh, um, so that, you know, it was, it was somewhere between one in 1,500 and one in 10,000.
00:37:44.320 Today, it's one in every 34 kids, according to CDC, and in some states, like California,
00:37:51.180 I think maybe Utah and New Jersey, one in 22, one in 22 kids.
00:37:56.160 And, you know, these kids should be healthy.
00:37:59.740 These kids shouldn't be our, our highest performing kids.
00:38:02.720 And they, instead, are, are, you know, have this extraordinary disability that's going
00:38:08.560 to keep them dependent, um, and not, you know, a lot of these, if you're full-blown autism,
00:38:15.040 you know, it's a non-verbal, non-toilet trained, uh, head-banging, stimming, toe-walking.
00:38:21.680 These are kids that will never throw a baseball.
00:38:25.200 They'll never graduate high school.
00:38:27.420 They'll never go out, take a girl on a date.
00:38:29.240 They'll never use the toilet alone.
00:38:33.540 They'll, um, they'll never write a play.
00:38:35.880 They'll never write a poem.
00:38:37.220 They'll never vote.
00:38:38.720 Never have children.
00:38:39.560 Never pay taxes.
00:38:40.980 Here's something you may not have known.
00:38:42.480 Back in 2015, the Congress of the United States repealed something called the
00:38:46.560 Country of Origin Labeling Act.
00:38:49.280 Now, why is this relevant to you?
00:38:51.360 Well, it means, among other things, that when you buy beef at the supermarket that says
00:38:54.740 made in the USA, it may not actually be.
00:38:58.000 In fact, it could be, likely is, from a foreign country.
00:39:02.720 It means that repackaging foreign meat can be enough to get the Made in USA designation.
00:39:09.080 It's a lie.
00:39:09.900 It's an absolute lie.
00:39:10.740 Most people don't even know what's happening.
00:39:12.560 So how can you be sure that the meat you're eating is from the United States and has been
00:39:16.480 raised with the highest quality standards and is the tastiest?
00:39:19.880 It's truly made here.
00:39:20.920 Well, it's simple.
00:39:21.920 You can go to our friends at Meriwether Farms.
00:39:24.200 Meriwether Farms is an American small business.
00:39:26.200 It's based in Riverton, Wyoming.
00:39:27.620 We know the people who run it, and they're great people.
00:39:30.120 And they have great meat.
00:39:31.680 They ship the highest quality meat raised free from growth hormones and antibiotics directly
00:39:37.220 to your doorstep.
00:39:38.000 It's delicious.
00:39:38.860 We eat it a lot, including at this table.
00:39:41.640 These are Americans.
00:39:42.980 These are American-made products.
00:39:44.780 And because they're cutting out the grocery store middlemen, their prices are actually
00:39:47.440 cheaper, 10% to 30% cheaper for the best meat.
00:39:50.400 They are the real deal.
00:39:51.480 Again, we eat that meat at this table from Riverton, Wyoming.
00:39:55.420 They're the best.
00:39:56.600 Meriwetherfarms.com.
00:39:57.860 Use the discount code TUCKER10 and you get an extra 10% off.
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00:40:10.320 It's worth it.
00:40:21.480 So that just seems like such an emergency.
00:40:27.700 For me, if I could save one of these kids, it would be worth giving my life for it.
00:40:33.740 I'm 70 years old.
00:40:35.220 To save one kid at birth, it would be worth dying for.
00:40:40.300 And to the opportunity and need for me to save all of these kids, I would do anything for it.
00:40:49.300 I would literally do anything for it.
00:40:51.060 We were telling you at breakfast, I'm sure your perception is different because we're
00:40:54.200 talking about you, but for 15 years anyway, there was not a single story about you that
00:41:00.380 didn't dismiss you as a dangerous crackpot for questioning why autism is much more common
00:41:07.140 than it once was.
00:41:08.060 Much more.
00:41:08.560 I mean, exponentially more common.
00:41:10.080 And you've written a lot about this and you were attacked.
00:41:12.820 I don't see those attacks very much anymore.
00:41:15.160 Well, they're still in the mainstream media.
00:41:17.480 That's still part of the, you know, the litany of my crimes.
00:41:24.160 But, you know, anybody who uses their hand, and that's one of the reasons they won't let
00:41:28.820 me speak on the media.
00:41:29.800 I mean, when Ross Perot ran, he was running for 10 months.
00:41:36.700 He was on mainstream media 34 times interviews.
00:41:41.160 And you remember him.
00:41:42.640 He was on, it seemed like he was on Larry King every week.
00:41:45.260 Of course.
00:41:46.420 But, and I got, in 16 months, I had two live interviews on all of those networks, ABC,
00:41:52.580 NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, two.
00:41:57.160 And, you know, they're just basically mouthpieces now for the DNC.
00:42:04.260 And there was this obligatory litany of defamations and pejoratives that were used to describe me
00:42:10.420 any time I mentioned, my name was mentioned, you know, that I was not a crackpot.
00:42:15.260 Um, and, you know, it's like a supervillain.
00:42:18.160 And I'm not complaining because that's, that's just, you know, I knew what I was getting into.
00:42:24.580 Um, but anyway, the idea that, um, you know, I had these meetings with President Trump and
00:42:32.220 they were partly because of you, you know, you were the one who, I, Cali Means called me
00:42:37.100 about, I'd say three hours after President Trump was shot.
00:42:42.360 And Cali Means called, although it doesn't seem possible because, uh, but I think it
00:42:48.460 was only three hours after his shooting.
00:42:51.120 Um, and.
00:42:53.380 It was Saturday night.
00:42:53.780 Yeah, Saturday night.
00:42:55.300 And, and, and Cali Means said to me, um, you know, he told me, Cali had been advising me
00:43:04.660 for a long time and my campaign.
00:43:07.240 He told me that night, I've also been, uh, I've been advising President Trump, which delighted
00:43:15.400 me because I thought, oh my gosh, there's another candidate beside me that is, is listening
00:43:20.800 to the truth.
00:43:22.580 And, um, he said that, um, that there was interest in the Trump campaign by the president of,
00:43:30.140 of, of including me at the end of, he talked about vice president, which I wasn't interested
00:43:37.020 in.
00:43:38.300 And, but he said, you know, would you be interested in talking with the Trump, um, with President
00:43:45.260 Trump?
00:43:46.380 And I said, I don't think so.
00:43:48.240 And then, and part of this was, I just thought it was an on-start with Cheryl.
00:43:52.420 So, and I called Cheryl up and she, um, said to me, you should hear them out.
00:44:01.620 And I immediately called Cali, I texted Cali back and said, I'm interested.
00:44:07.120 And then I got a text from you and you and I have each other's cell phones and you had
00:44:14.580 an unknown cell phone number, which you had linked me into, which was President Trump's
00:44:19.400 number.
00:44:19.680 And you said, you know, he's waiting for your call.
00:44:23.260 And so I called him that night.
00:44:24.980 I had a great conversation with him.
00:44:27.300 And then, um, he, and he asked, well, we decided to talk and I met him the next day.
00:44:34.840 He was at that point at, uh, Bed Minister, which is, is golf course and home in New Jersey.
00:44:42.320 And he had, he'd driven there from Butler where he had been shot.
00:44:46.020 And then I went to, um, and so I flew out to Minneapolis the next day and I had a, uh,
00:44:55.920 probably a two hour meeting with him and Amaryllis, who's my daughter-in-law who is running my campaign,
00:45:02.020 the smartest person I've ever met.
00:45:03.520 And Cheryl and Susie Wiles.
00:45:08.120 And, uh, it was a really interesting meeting because he was so open about, um, about, first of all,
00:45:19.400 not liking the neocons.
00:45:22.960 Yeah.
00:45:23.400 And, you know, I never imagined that because I, you know, for me, he was the guy who brought
00:45:28.760 John Bolton and Mike Pompeo into office and, you know, but he was, uh, really, uh, disillusioned
00:45:37.920 with them to say the least, you know, and then, you know, he was, he was, uh, deeply interested
00:45:45.200 and, and well-informed as he is on any, you know, as, as much as he is on any subject, um,
00:45:54.400 about what's, what's happening to our kids, uh, chronic disease.
00:45:58.560 And then he was absolutely adamant about stopping the censorship and, you know, and making sure
00:46:04.300 that we had free speech.
00:46:05.440 And so we talked a little then and, uh, didn't really come to any, you know, talked about the
00:46:13.360 possibility of working together after that.
00:46:16.760 And then, but then we, we put it on hold.
00:46:20.000 I, they wanted me to do something at the convention.
00:46:22.040 I said, no, I, I'm not going to do that.
00:46:25.500 And, um, and we still, at that point, there was still a chance that I could get into the
00:46:30.300 debate.
00:46:32.260 That chance was diminishing.
00:46:33.680 Um, and because I was not allowed on any media and because, um, and you know, my really,
00:46:41.720 my only chance of winning the election, I believe I would have won if I had gotten on the debate
00:46:45.780 stage, but my only chance was to get on the debate stage.
00:46:49.960 And it was, that was, that, uh, possibility was vanishing.
00:46:56.980 And, um, so I was looking at kind of my options.
00:47:00.380 And I then contacted Harris's campaign because I thought I should talk to them and see if
00:47:07.200 they're interested in any of these issues, which I suspected they were not because a
00:47:12.280 Kamala was still an empty, you know, an empty slate.
00:47:16.740 Um, Kamala, excuse me, it was empty slate.
00:47:20.960 So, you know.
00:47:21.380 She's pronounced it both ways herself, so it's okay.
00:47:24.140 It's, uh, you know, I, I want to, I want to respect people and give them, you know.
00:47:30.540 Um, so, uh, I, I reached out to her and I reached out through a number of people, including some
00:47:41.220 relatives of mine who are very, very close to her personally and to the Democratic Party.
00:47:46.280 And they just said, that's a non-starter.
00:47:47.980 You, there's no way in the world that she's going to talk to you.
00:47:50.660 And they said, we can, we can get you a meeting with a low level campaign official.
00:47:54.680 And I said, um, okay, I'm, I'm not interested in that.
00:48:01.200 Why wouldn't, it's, it's interesting.
00:48:02.940 Why wouldn't Kamala Harris meet with you?
00:48:06.420 Maybe the same reason that she hasn't given an interview.
00:48:09.620 You know, I think it seems to me that there's a lot of handlers involved and that, and, you
00:48:16.060 know, even when you talk to Democrats about, you know, do you really think it's a good idea
00:48:21.780 to be, um, electing somebody who cannot give an interview, they say, well, you're not electing
00:48:28.460 her.
00:48:28.660 You're electing the people around her.
00:48:30.200 You're electing the apparatus and the apparatus, but the apparatus, an apparatus I don't have
00:48:35.320 any faith in.
00:48:36.100 It's an apparatus running that are neocons like, you know, like Anthony Blinken and, uh, and
00:48:44.400 who are, you know, running us right up into a world war three.
00:48:47.260 And there are people who, you know, who masterminded the censorship from inside the White House.
00:48:53.060 That's the apparatus that they want to reelect.
00:48:56.340 And to me, that's an apparatus that has no, these are the people who are censoring me.
00:49:00.800 Here's the people who try to throw me out of the party, who canceled the primaries.
00:49:05.380 That's the apparatus.
00:49:07.040 You know, if it was a Democrat who said, I can think on my own, I understand what this
00:49:13.020 country is supposed to look like.
00:49:14.380 I understand what, what democracy is supposed to look like.
00:49:18.200 And I, you know, then I think that's great.
00:49:20.680 Great.
00:49:21.140 Let's do that.
00:49:21.880 But it's just, it's strange from her perspective.
00:49:24.700 First of all, electing an apparatus is not how democracy works.
00:49:27.520 That's an oligarchy, just in point of fact.
00:49:30.240 But as a political calculation, your presence in the race running third party hurt Trump.
00:49:35.820 No one disputes that.
00:49:36.820 The polling's really clear on that.
00:49:38.100 So if you were the Harris campaign, kind of a win, right, to get some alignment with
00:49:44.760 you, why, even human curiosity, you'd think would compel her to want to meet with you.
00:49:50.240 Like, take a meeting.
00:49:50.940 Like, why do you care?
00:49:52.280 But she wouldn't even talk to you.
00:49:53.880 I think that's, I think it's very weird.
00:49:55.820 It's weird, but not, I mean, I can't stress that not, not being able to give an interview.
00:50:01.600 I mean, your, your whole life is in public life.
00:50:05.680 That's what you do.
00:50:06.700 That is the currency.
00:50:08.760 I give, I give, you know, this day is a really slow day because I'm doing one interview with
00:50:14.540 you.
00:50:15.740 And on a typical day, I do about seven or eight interviews.
00:50:19.400 Some days, 10 or 12.
00:50:21.720 And I do that every day.
00:50:23.500 And I've done that for 16 months.
00:50:25.360 I, if anybody who wants to, I mean, we have a list now, 4,000 people want to interview me,
00:50:30.360 but where I'm interviewing as many people as possible.
00:50:34.260 So I want to get my voice out, my vision out, my concerns out.
00:50:39.060 And I, it's incomprehensible to me that you would be in public life.
00:50:47.960 And, and President Trump does the same thing.
00:50:50.220 He's not scared of an interview.
00:50:51.860 No, he likes it.
00:50:52.380 He's done Theo Vaughn.
00:50:53.500 Yeah.
00:50:54.000 He's done you.
00:50:55.020 He's done, he does anybody.
00:50:57.200 He does people who don't agree with him.
00:50:59.020 He's not, he's not censoring you.
00:51:02.200 No.
00:51:02.740 He's doing, you know, he's talking to reporters who write crappy articles about him all the
00:51:08.960 time, you know, from, from New York Magazine.
00:51:12.820 Maggie Haberman at the New York Times.
00:51:14.340 New York, Maggie Haberman has never written a nice word about Donald Trump.
00:51:18.700 And he talks to her how often?
00:51:20.840 A lot.
00:51:21.160 Yeah.
00:51:21.600 Yeah.
00:51:21.740 A lot.
00:51:22.740 So, you know, it's, you know, my uncle Teddy, who was exactly opposite of Ronald Reagan,
00:51:35.000 ideologically, and he ran against Carter.
00:51:38.620 Yeah.
00:51:39.180 Teddy did.
00:51:39.660 And, and Carter and he had an antipathy toward each other that was almost, you know, like
00:51:45.760 nothing I'd ever seen.
00:51:46.920 Teddy really, Teddy didn't hate people, but he really, I would say, loathed Carter.
00:51:53.420 He just had, he had complete disdain for him.
00:51:55.860 And I, and he then liked, he liked Reagan and because I was more ideologically aligned
00:52:03.180 at that point, I was, I'd say to him, you know, why do you like Reagan?
00:52:08.060 And he said, because even though I don't agree with anything he said, he was able to
00:52:13.280 invigorate our country.
00:52:14.620 He was able to inspire people.
00:52:16.620 He got people excited about his vision and proud to be Americans.
00:52:21.780 And that is one of the functions of a president is to, it's to explain to us why we should
00:52:29.360 be proud of each other and why we're part of a community and why our country is great
00:52:34.060 and, you know, what our future is going to look like and get us and, and, you know, inspire
00:52:39.960 all of us with that vision.
00:52:41.620 And, and that is what a real leader does.
00:52:45.300 How in the world can you do that?
00:52:46.820 If you cannot give an interview to a, to a, a news worker, to a friendly news, to a friendly
00:52:54.200 news, they can't even do a set up interview in 40 days.
00:52:58.360 I saw the, the only interview she did that was unscripted was when she got off a plane,
00:53:04.880 I think it was at Andrews Air Force Base.
00:53:06.660 And, and so there was a reporter waiting there and that, you know, with one question, when
00:53:12.860 are you going to do an interview?
00:53:13.840 And she said, I've told my team that to try to get one done before September, this was
00:53:19.480 the third of August and I'm doing, I'm doing, you know, seven or eight interviews a day.
00:53:27.040 Tells you a lot.
00:53:27.780 And I'm, but I'm, and I'm not, you know, blowing my own horn or anything.
00:53:31.720 I'm just saying, that's what you do if you're in public life and what's the point of being
00:53:35.860 in public life if you don't want to promote your vision, if you don't want to inspire
00:53:40.300 people.
00:53:42.360 Well, that, I mean, so it, I'm sure this is a sense of, but I can't help but notice that
00:53:49.120 you ran for 15 months with no secret service protection at all.
00:53:53.980 You were denied that by the, by the administration.
00:53:55.640 Trump during the convention in Milwaukee last month noted that in public, they immediately
00:54:02.200 under pressure respond and gave you secret service.
00:54:04.040 Yes.
00:54:04.800 Now they've withdrawn it.
00:54:06.600 You're without it again.
00:54:07.980 Yeah.
00:54:08.460 Is that true?
00:54:09.240 Yes.
00:54:10.120 Meanwhile, Tony Fauci has it.
00:54:12.040 He's not a federal employee anymore.
00:54:13.520 I think Mike Pompeo has secret service protection, former CIA director.
00:54:17.560 But you don't.
00:54:19.560 How, how is that?
00:54:21.020 Uh, I think the, uh, you know, I'm technically still running for president.
00:54:28.820 I'm running for president 30, say, 40 states.
00:54:33.000 So, um, I'm not, you know, I did not, uh, I did not terminate my, my campaign.
00:54:40.020 Did you know this?
00:54:41.120 No, I didn't.
00:54:41.560 Yeah.
00:54:41.920 So, you know, I'm running in the, I, there, there, there's, there's 10 states where I hurt
00:54:47.580 president Trump and their battleground states.
00:54:51.120 Oh, I've taken my name off the ballot in those 10 states, but in the blue states, all
00:54:56.200 blue states, all red states, I'm on the ballot.
00:54:58.600 And I could technically win a contingency election if the other two vote, you know, and, and they,
00:55:04.540 if the other two get 269 a piece and, um, and then Congress cannot work out a compromise,
00:55:13.440 which is entirely possible.
00:55:15.860 They have to go to the third vote getter, which would be me.
00:55:18.820 And that's why I left my name on the ballot in those states.
00:55:22.720 And so, um, uh, you know, that's highly unlikely to happen, but it has happened twice before
00:55:32.020 in American history.
00:55:32.940 And actually in our polling now shows them at exactly 269 to 269.
00:55:40.920 Oh, it is possible that it would happen in this.
00:55:43.900 So, and so I, so, and I, you know, we worked this out with the Trump campaign.
00:55:48.060 They only wanted us off in 10 states because that's the states we hurt them in the other
00:55:52.040 states.
00:55:53.600 People can vote for me.
00:55:55.480 Um, and I, and they're not going to hurt their candidate.
00:55:58.400 They, they, they can vote for me, even if they like president, vice president Harris and
00:56:03.100 without hurting her and they can vote for me if they like president Trump without hurting
00:56:08.060 him, because we already know what's going to happen in those states.
00:56:11.180 Yes.
00:56:11.860 Oh, I'm.
00:56:12.800 So all the more reason that you should have what Tony Fauci has and what Mike Pompeo has
00:56:18.240 and a lot of other, by the way, non-current federal employees have, which is government
00:56:23.160 bodyguards, but they withdrew them immediately from you.
00:56:25.820 So what's the message of that?
00:56:26.980 Well, the message I think is a bad message, which is that our, uh, our federal enforcement
00:56:35.040 agencies have been weaponized against the American people.
00:56:38.400 I mean, again, politically weaponized, politically, not against the American people, but politically.
00:56:44.300 When my father took office in the justice department and my father was appointed a U.S.
00:56:51.000 attorney general in 1961 by my uncle, his brother.
00:56:53.900 And my father, the first week in office, he had run my uncle's campaign.
00:56:58.800 So he was a political guy.
00:57:01.080 He called together all the division chairs, all the branch chiefs in the DOJ.
00:57:06.680 And he made us into his big cavernous office and he said to them, we're going to make one
00:57:14.980 rule here, which is there is no politics.
00:57:17.200 We never asked whether a potential defendant is Democrat or Republican.
00:57:22.920 The people of this country have to know that their enforcement institutions, the Department
00:57:28.200 of Justice, are, um, are, are the justice is blind here.
00:57:32.480 That we are, uh, free of any kind of political prejudice or bias or favoritism.
00:57:42.700 And they started putting in jail.
00:57:44.420 He prosecuted my uncle on my mother's side, um, for antitrust violation.
00:57:50.800 He prosecuted friends of his, friends of his father's, whose father did not want him to
00:57:55.340 prosecute.
00:57:55.980 Um, and they just said, it doesn't matter.
00:57:58.820 We've got it.
00:57:59.620 We've got to apply it even annually because the American people need to understand that
00:58:05.620 their institutions are, are, are free.
00:58:08.400 We need to respect them and know that they're not biased in one way.
00:58:11.580 And we're losing that now in our country.
00:58:13.480 And the Biden administration has really accelerated that the most, the most shocking thing to me.
00:58:19.800 And Democrats can't even hear this story because it touches so many sort of culture war buttons,
00:58:26.000 but it's, it's a true story.
00:58:28.920 People need to, need to understand it and appreciate it.
00:58:32.380 And the 2020 election, when, um, uh, uh, there was one hundred Biden's laptop a week before the,
00:58:42.420 uh, and we only know this, this whole story, um, uh, recently because of the release of documents.
00:58:50.760 But the, when President Biden's, the hundreds of Biden's laptop suddenly became an issue about a week before the debate.
00:59:00.420 And Anthony Blinken, who is now the Secretary of State and who was then the director of President Biden's campaign,
00:59:10.320 went to Gina Haspel, who is the head of this director of the CIA and, and said to her, we need help with this.
00:59:19.540 She then got 51 CIA current and former CIA officers to sign a public letter, which they published, I think, in the New York Times,
00:59:29.860 but they published it somewhere that, um, that said that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian hoax.
00:59:37.280 That was part of a Russian disinformation effort to tamper with the, uh, with the presidential election campaign.
00:59:47.160 So you had a, the CIA, which is forbidden by its charter from involving itself in any American politics.
00:59:57.120 And you had 51 top officers, former and current, who now do a disinformation campaign against the American public to tamper with the election,
01:00:08.980 while accusing the Russians of tampering with the election.
01:00:12.260 And then a week later, President Biden, when he's asked about his laptop on the debate,
01:00:19.900 he says, that has been debunked by the CIA, by the CIA officers.
01:00:26.120 And that was the end of the issue, because it was debunked.
01:00:29.500 All the newspapers picked that up.
01:00:32.060 And it's highly likely that that had an impact on the election.
01:00:37.220 So, you know, we, that was the entree of President Biden getting into office.
01:00:43.380 And again, you know, Democrats who hear me say this story are going to say,
01:00:49.800 oh, he's just saying that because, you know, he's a Republican now, right?
01:00:53.240 Which I'm not, but that's what they're going to say.
01:00:56.200 But it's not that.
01:00:57.560 It's just that this was wrong.
01:00:59.180 The big tech companies censor our content.
01:01:01.800 I hate to tell you that it's still going on in 2024, but you know what they can't censor?
01:01:06.280 Live events.
01:01:07.200 And that's why we are hitting the road on a fall tour for the entire month of September, coast to coast.
01:01:13.920 We will be in cities across the United States.
01:01:16.180 We'll be in Phoenix with Russell Brand, Anaheim, California with Vivek Ramaswamy,
01:01:20.640 Colorado Springs with Tulsi Gabbard, Salt Lake City with Glenn Beck,
01:01:25.160 Tulsa, Oklahoma with Dan Bongino, Kansas City with Megan Kelly,
01:01:29.320 Wichita with Charlie Kirk, Milwaukee with Larry Elder,
01:01:32.760 Rosenberg, Texas with Jesse Kelly, Grand Rapids with Kid Rock,
01:01:36.500 Hershey, Pennsylvania with J.D. Vance,
01:01:38.960 Redding, Pennsylvania with Alex Jones,
01:01:41.320 Fort Worth, Texas with Roseanne Barr,
01:01:43.600 Greenville, South Carolina with Marjorie Taylor Greene,
01:01:46.640 Sunrise, Florida with John Rich,
01:01:48.660 Jacksonville, Florida with Donald Trump Jr.
01:01:51.380 You can get tickets at TuckerCarlson.com.
01:01:54.280 Hope to see you there.
01:02:06.500 So the CA, I mean, a lot of roads lead back, unfortunately, to our most powerful intelligence agency.
01:02:20.620 If you were asked, would you run it?
01:02:22.380 Would you become CA director if you were asked?
01:02:24.020 I would never get, yes, I would, but I would never get Senate confirmation.
01:02:30.600 As you know, the intelligence agency are protected by very, very powerful committees in the Senate
01:02:38.480 and in the House that are already into the project.
01:02:42.800 And the people who serve on those committees are people who wouldn't, you know, they would not,
01:02:50.820 they're just safeguarding that directorship.
01:02:53.400 And I would be very, very dangerous for those committees.
01:02:57.940 And yet in his, you know, in your joint appearance on Friday,
01:03:03.680 President Trump introduced you by saying that he plans to, if elected,
01:03:09.600 establish a commission to declassify the remaining documents around your uncle's murder in 1963.
01:03:14.960 Yeah.
01:03:15.660 And I think everyone at this point knows the truth,
01:03:18.280 which is the CIA is implicated in that.
01:03:20.140 Those documents protect CIA, maybe among others.
01:03:22.900 Well, whether they do or not,
01:03:24.800 I mean, it's odd that they've not allowed him to be released.
01:03:28.040 What could possibly be the explanation?
01:03:29.280 More than 60 years after my uncle's death, almost 65 years.
01:03:33.100 Oh, it was 62 years after his death.
01:03:35.900 And none of the people who were implicated in that crime are alive now.
01:03:42.340 Yes.
01:03:42.520 And the last ones have died off in the last year or two.
01:03:46.740 And so it clearly is to protect the institution.
01:03:51.960 Yes.
01:03:52.480 And that's wrong.
01:03:53.820 It is wrong.
01:03:54.580 And it's wrong for a Democrat.
01:03:56.700 It's wrong for a Republican.
01:03:57.840 It's just interesting, though, that a bipartisan list of presidents,
01:04:01.440 lo, these six decades, have kept those files classified.
01:04:05.920 Well, you and I have both, I was astonished that Trump didn't declassify him
01:04:10.760 because he promised to during the campaign.
01:04:12.240 That was Mike Pompeo who did that.
01:04:13.660 Yeah.
01:04:14.020 And that, I talked to President Trump for the first time about that this week.
01:04:18.240 What did he say?
01:04:19.540 He said that Mike Pompeo begged him to, and I don't think I'm telling tales out of school here.
01:04:30.220 No, I think he told the same thing to you.
01:04:32.480 That's true.
01:04:33.880 But he said Mike Pompeo called him and said, this wouldn't be a catastrophe to release these.
01:04:39.260 You need to not do it.
01:04:41.040 And then, you know.
01:04:42.420 I want to say again, I think Mike Pompeo is a criminal.
01:04:44.580 So that's my view.
01:04:45.620 He's threatened to sue me for saying that.
01:04:47.120 But I hope he will, because it's true.
01:04:49.780 But that kind of tells the whole story right there, right?
01:04:53.280 That the CIA is.
01:04:54.360 Oh, yeah.
01:04:54.940 So that's the thing.
01:04:55.520 Why would the CIA be trying to keep these files classified if they had nothing to do with the murder?
01:05:00.260 I don't really get that.
01:05:01.200 Yeah.
01:05:01.580 And the subject we were talking about was the weaponization of the federal agency.
01:05:05.560 And that's just one of them.
01:05:06.540 And then they get, you know, then they open up these censorship portals, the 37 hours after President Biden takes office, where now you have the FBI involved in American politics.
01:05:19.420 And, you know, which we ran them out in the 60s, you know, because we were outraged that they were even, they were bugging Martin Luther King and the Black Panther Party.
01:05:29.140 And Americans were indignant about that.
01:05:32.440 Why do they think this?
01:05:33.580 I mean, why are we, have we gotten to the point where it's so normalized and now we're okay with the FBI running a portal to censor political speech in our country and then inviting in the CIA and the SAISA and the IRS.
01:05:48.940 I don't know what they were doing in there.
01:05:51.280 NIH and, you know, CDC and all these other agencies, DHS, which all had a hand in censoring American speech.
01:06:00.620 So that was another thing.
01:06:02.060 And then the use, you know, which we saw for the first time in American history of the judiciary to get rid of candidates.
01:06:14.480 You know, what they tried to do to me, they're suing me now in a dozen states.
01:06:19.860 I've been in trials for the past three weeks.
01:06:22.840 You know, I've spent most of my time not campaigning, but being, sitting in court in cases that are trying to get me off the ballot.
01:06:31.940 So, like, I had a million people, a million American citizens sign petitions more than any candidate in history.
01:06:41.680 Everybody said I'd never do this.
01:06:43.580 The impossible to be in the ballot in 50 states.
01:06:45.560 Well, guess what?
01:06:46.200 We got on the ballot in 50 states.
01:06:48.920 And we did it by getting a million citizens to sign petitions saying that they wanted to vote for me.
01:06:55.680 And the Democratic Party now is suing me in all those states to make sure that those people cannot vote for the person they want to.
01:07:03.440 When I was growing up, the Democratic Party of RFK and JFK was the party that was fighting for voting rights.
01:07:12.160 It was fighting to make sure that every American could vote for the candidate of their choice, no matter whether they were black or white or where they lived or Democrat or Republican.
01:07:20.840 And now the Democratic Party, today's Democratic Party, feels so unconfident about the candidates that it's putting forward.
01:07:30.080 And it feels the only way it can win the election is by getting rid of the opponents.
01:07:34.580 And, you know, either using the courts against President Trump to lock him in jail and to embarrass and humiliate and discredit him or using the courts against me to just to throw me off the ballot, even though the voters, you know, in New York's aid, I had to get 45,000 ballot signatures in 13 congressional districts.
01:08:00.540 I got, I got, I got 137,000 in all 26 congressional districts.
01:08:09.380 I did twice when anybody wants, and we did it easily because people wanted to see me on the ballot.
01:08:14.280 New Yorkers wanted to see me on the ballot.
01:08:16.760 Why is the Democratic Party suing me in frivolous cases?
01:08:21.000 On what ground?
01:08:21.340 I spent a whole week in trial for that case.
01:08:25.680 For two cases they brought, and another week in another trial, or another case.
01:08:29.900 And you had to pay for this?
01:08:31.540 It's causing me $10 million to defend myself.
01:08:35.280 But on what grounds are they suing you?
01:08:36.720 Like you don't have, they don't like you so you don't have a right to be on the ballot, or what?
01:08:40.200 In New York State, they're suing me by, they can't challenge our signatures because we got five times as many signatures as we required.
01:08:50.840 So, you know, normally what they were doing in the first days, they're taking our signatures, and they were calling everybody.
01:08:58.640 They can get their numbers, and they can get their, you know, cell phones, et cetera.
01:09:03.220 We're contacting everybody who's saying that and trying to talk them out of it, trying to say, get them to say, you know, you're hurting democracy, and, you know, you should, you know, weren't you fooled when you did this to try to get it?
01:09:15.140 But they never succeeded.
01:09:18.800 In New York State, they're suing me because they say that I did not, I don't live in New York State.
01:09:26.120 So, I have three residences.
01:09:30.100 One is in New York.
01:09:31.680 One is in my home in Massachusetts, which, you know, is part of my family compound that we've owned for, you know, 100 years.
01:09:41.240 And then in California, where I live with Cheryl.
01:09:46.520 So, I moved with Cheryl to California in 2014, so 10 years ago.
01:09:52.860 But I lived in New York all of my life.
01:09:55.260 I lived there since I was 10.
01:09:56.760 My father ran for Senate there and was the senator.
01:09:59.920 I moved there when I was 10.
01:10:02.180 I've only voted in New York.
01:10:04.120 I've always considered myself a New York resident.
01:10:06.480 I've lived in the same town for 40 years in Bedford.
01:10:11.100 I've lived in 13 different residents in that town at various times.
01:10:15.180 But I always wanted to stay there.
01:10:17.340 And when I moved out west with Cheryl, I made an agreement with her that, you know, when she retires,
01:10:24.500 we're going to come back to New York because I feel like I'm a New Yorker.
01:10:27.620 I didn't want to vote in California because I don't know anything about the politics out there.
01:10:32.660 I was raised in New York.
01:10:33.980 I know all the politics, all the politicians.
01:10:36.180 And so, I wanted to vote.
01:10:39.620 So, I kept an address there.
01:10:41.420 I voted that address.
01:10:43.060 That's my only place I've ever voted.
01:10:45.800 My car is registered there.
01:10:48.020 My driver's license is there.
01:10:50.440 My law office is there.
01:10:53.180 I pay income tax.
01:10:54.600 Almost all my income tax is from New York State.
01:10:58.420 My law license is there.
01:10:59.900 I don't have a law license in California.
01:11:03.040 And my hunting license is there.
01:11:05.720 My fishing license is there.
01:11:06.780 Most importantly.
01:11:07.600 My falconry license is there.
01:11:09.320 So, I have all my birds there.
01:11:11.580 You know, I keep them there.
01:11:13.420 And so, you know, but they're suing me saying I'm not a real New Yorker.
01:11:17.420 I'm, you know, I contrive the address out of fraud and it's a sham.
01:11:22.000 Um, and, um, here's the thing, is that I consulted a lawyer when I, when we declared independent
01:11:29.740 and began getting ballot signatures.
01:11:31.240 I consulted the best ballot access attorney in the country, Paul Rossi.
01:11:36.100 And I said, I got these three different residences.
01:11:38.600 Which one do I put on the ballot?
01:11:40.920 You have to put the same residence in all 50 states.
01:11:44.760 So, you can't choose another resident.
01:11:47.080 You know, you can't, I can't put California in one state and Massachusetts in another state
01:11:51.360 in New York.
01:11:51.880 I have to tell the people, otherwise I'm lying to somebody, right?
01:11:55.480 Right.
01:11:56.460 So, in a couple of states, for example, Maine, where we are right now, and in New Hampshire,
01:12:03.520 those states say the only place you can put down as your domicile is the place where you vote.
01:12:09.900 And in New Hampshire, I actually had to take an oath in front of a notary that I voted in New York.
01:12:17.760 Because otherwise, they couldn't have put it down.
01:12:19.940 And so, I had to put New York in every state because I had to put it in Maine and New Hampshire
01:12:25.340 and a bunch of others because you have to put the place you vote.
01:12:28.980 Anyway, the DNC is suing me, saying I defrauded the public because I really live in California.
01:12:33.620 And they got a, you know, they got a judge who was, you know, right out of the Democratic machine
01:12:39.240 and who violated the Constitution and every precedent to say, yeah, they're right.
01:12:47.580 So, you know, I lost in the lower court, which is what happens.
01:12:50.440 We're doing that.
01:12:51.120 We're losing in these lower courts.
01:12:52.420 And then we win in the appeals.
01:12:53.640 There's a 100% chance I'll win in the appeal.
01:12:55.640 But they don't care because it's going to take me a while.
01:12:59.120 And they got the headlines saying he was thrown off for fraud.
01:13:02.560 So these, I mean, I saw Kamala Harris just the other night at her convention speech talk
01:13:07.420 about how voting access is like a...
01:13:09.600 I know.
01:13:10.400 While she was doing that, I was in court in New York, you know, trying to get on that ballot.
01:13:16.600 While she, while that, you know, the entire...
01:13:20.720 The John Lewis Voting Access Act, we're going to get through.
01:13:23.960 Everybody has a right to vote.
01:13:25.820 Yeah, it's not, you know.
01:13:27.280 Except for their opponents.
01:13:28.740 So does this, it feels to me like this is, you know, obviously it's a big political story.
01:13:33.880 You're endorsing Trump.
01:13:35.040 It's a big, big change in your life as a lifelong Democrat, still a Democrat.
01:13:39.740 But it also feels like, as you said at the outset...
01:13:43.440 Well, I'm an independent out.
01:13:44.600 So I registered as an independent when I ran.
01:13:47.960 And when I talked with President Trump, the, you know, the thing that we talked about is
01:13:53.300 that, you know, that we were going to do a unity government with the independent.
01:14:00.780 Not the kind of endorsement that a lot of people make.
01:14:05.060 An endorsement like Abraham Lincoln's team of rivals, where we would be able to continue
01:14:11.660 to differ publicly on issues, but that we would, on the issues that we agree on,
01:14:18.720 that we were going to strive to get into government together in order to make sure
01:14:23.000 that those issues are, you know, are the priority for our country.
01:14:27.640 And, you know, he was really good about that and about, you know, me being able to continue
01:14:33.260 on there's some issues.
01:14:34.540 There's a lot of issues like the border where we agree and, you know, censorship, the wars,
01:14:39.780 the neocons, the, you know, forever wars, child health epidemics.
01:14:44.500 Those are the most important issues.
01:14:45.740 There's other issues that I do that I'm going to disagree on with President Trump,
01:14:50.820 but he was happy with that.
01:14:52.040 And that's how our country ought to be.
01:14:53.580 We ought to be able to.
01:14:54.960 So what is this realignment that you mentioned at the outset?
01:14:57.520 Because this does feel like it's bigger than just this November.
01:15:02.180 Yeah.
01:15:02.600 I mean, there's been a series of these realignments throughout American history.
01:15:08.300 And, you know, there's history books that are written about, you know, the realignments.
01:15:13.060 I think there's about five of them.
01:15:16.220 And one of those is clearly happening now because you see on so many issues, you know,
01:15:24.940 that you've had an inversion.
01:15:27.620 The Democratic Party has become the party of the elites.
01:15:31.380 It used to be the party of the poor and the working class.
01:15:33.900 In fact, there was a study that came out just recently that I saw that showed that 70%
01:15:41.020 that the people who voted for Biden own 70% of the wealth in this country.
01:15:46.020 The people who voted for Trump own 30%.
01:15:48.180 And so—
01:15:51.580 I believe that.
01:15:52.420 Right.
01:15:52.840 So you're seeing this realignment happen where the elites, you know,
01:15:56.320 where Wall Street, where the big tech, big pharma,
01:16:00.260 the big banking houses are all now Democratic.
01:16:03.720 And that the working class, the middle class, the cops, the firefighters,
01:16:10.780 Sean O'Brien, head of the team station, you know, the spokes.
01:16:14.260 Good guy.
01:16:15.120 Great guy.
01:16:16.160 Great, great guy.
01:16:18.660 Really love him.
01:16:20.320 But he spoke at the Democratic Convention.
01:16:22.860 I mean, the Republican Convention rather than Democratic Convention.
01:16:25.620 So you're seeing this just this big alignment, and even on environmental issues,
01:16:31.620 it's so weird to me because the Democrats have become subsumed in this carbon orthodox.
01:16:38.140 And you and I have talked about this, that the only issue is carbon.
01:16:42.980 And what that's done is it's forced them to do something that you should never do
01:16:47.240 if you're an environmentalist, which is to commoditize and quantify everything.
01:16:52.100 So everything is measured by its carbon footprint, how many tons of carbon it produces.
01:16:56.820 And, you know, you're basically, you're putting everything in that kind of box
01:17:04.580 of being able to quantify it and explain its value by, you know, by a numerically.
01:17:11.600 And the reason that we protect the environment is just the opposite of that.
01:17:15.220 The reason that we protect the environment is because there's a spiritual connection.
01:17:18.660 And there's a, you know, there's a love that we have.
01:17:23.020 We, you know, I got into the environment because I wanted, you know,
01:17:27.860 this connection to the fishes and the birds and the wildlife and the whales
01:17:32.480 and the Purple Mountain's majesty.
01:17:37.860 And that, you know, I understood that the way, you know,
01:17:40.840 God talks to human beings through many vectors, through each other,
01:17:43.940 through organized religion, through the great prophets, through the wise people,
01:17:48.560 the great books of those religions, but nowhere with the kind of detail and texture
01:17:54.200 and grace and joy as through creation.
01:17:57.720 And when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,
01:18:03.280 to understand who God is and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.
01:18:08.820 And that, I hope what you just said, by the way, is chopped up and put all over every social media platform in the world.
01:18:15.940 When we destroy nature, we degrade our own ability to experience the divine.
01:18:20.680 Yeah.
01:18:21.220 And that, you know, it's not about quantifying stuff.
01:18:25.080 That's what the devil does.
01:18:26.540 He quantifies everything, right?
01:18:28.420 And that is, you know, what he wants us doing.
01:18:31.240 Put a number on it.
01:18:32.240 And the reason we're preserving these things is not, is because we love our children, you know,
01:18:39.560 and it's because we get, nature enriches us, enriches us economically and spiritually and culturally and historically.
01:18:48.120 It connects us to those 10,000 generations of human beings that were here before they were laptops.
01:18:53.540 And, you know, and it connects us to the most important spiritual lesson of every, all of the organized religions in, you know, that we know of today.
01:19:09.180 The central revelation of every one of those religions always occurred in the wilderness.
01:19:14.080 You know, Moses had to go into the wilderness to listen, to hear God's voice and see the burning bush.
01:19:21.220 He had to go to the wilderness of Mount Sinai to get the commandments.
01:19:28.060 Muhammad had to, who was a city boy from Mecca, had to go to the wilderness of Mount Hera on a camping trip with his kids
01:19:34.360 and wrestle the angel Gabriel in the middle of the night and have the first stances of the surahs of the Koran squeezed from him.
01:19:43.000 And Buddha had to go into the wilderness to sit under the, you know, and wander for years and then sit under the Bodhigaya tree to get his first revelation of nirvana.
01:19:55.000 And Christ had to spend 40 days in the wilderness to discover his divinity for the first time.
01:20:01.020 And his mentor was John the Baptist, who lived in a cave in the Jordan Valley and ate honey of wild bees and locusts.
01:20:09.940 And, you know, and then all of Christ's parables come from nature.
01:20:13.380 I'm the vine, you are the branches, the mustard seed, the little swallows, the scattering of seeds on the fellow ground.
01:20:19.220 Because that is where we sense the divine.
01:20:21.720 God talks to us through the fishes, the birds, the leaves.
01:20:24.800 They're all, you know, words from our creator.
01:20:27.340 And that is why we preserve nature.
01:20:30.980 It's not because of the, you know, it's not because the, you know, the quantity of carbon.
01:20:37.180 And by the way...
01:20:38.180 I feel what you said so deeply, I can hardly even express it.
01:20:40.840 And thank you for saying that.
01:20:42.480 And by the way, we, the best thing that you can do for climate is to restore the soils.
01:20:50.760 The soils are the solution to everything.
01:20:54.020 The soil will absorb all that carbon.
01:20:55.820 If, you know, if, and it'll absorb the water, it'll stop the flooding, it'll give us healthy food.
01:21:02.480 And that's what our national policy has to be.
01:21:04.900 It has to be restoring the soil.
01:21:06.840 And that is, you know, everybody, listen, if you talk, if you want to unite America, then talk about these things.
01:21:15.520 Talk about the fishes, the birds, the wildlife.
01:21:17.920 And just talk about ending mountaintop removal mining.
01:21:20.980 Talk about ending the mountain cutting.
01:21:24.040 Talk about getting rid of, you know, the Democrats are putting these offshore wind farms that are exterminating the whales.
01:21:33.380 I know.
01:21:33.640 Most of us got into this because of the whales.
01:21:36.520 And they're about to extinguish the right whales.
01:21:40.500 The last ones on Earth with these monstrosities that are, you know, that are costing us three times the amount.
01:21:48.320 We don't need them.
01:21:50.100 They cost 33 cents a kilowatt hour when you can get onshore wind for 10 cents a kilowatt hour.
01:21:55.760 And who's making the money?
01:21:58.080 Goldman Sachs, BlackRock, foreign governments.
01:22:02.320 And the other thing that they're funding, hundreds, billions of dollars.
01:22:05.480 This is what they're going, this is what climate has turned into, is these climate capture pipelines.
01:22:11.620 And a wreaking havoc with the agricultural lands across the Midwest, stealing people's property rights with, you know, eminent domain.
01:22:19.440 And who's making the money?
01:22:21.580 BlackRock.
01:22:22.220 And it's a useless technology that does not work.
01:22:25.320 It's just all a boondoggle.
01:22:28.300 And that's what's become the environmental movement in this country.
01:22:31.340 And if you depart from that orthodoxy, you're expelled from it.
01:22:34.620 If you want to make Americans fight each other, talk about carbon.
01:22:41.080 If you want to bring Americans together, talk about habitat protection.
01:22:44.460 Yeah, nature.
01:22:46.300 It's a little weird.
01:22:47.680 I mean, you literally spent your life with river keepers as an environmentalist, an environmental lawyer in the environmental movement.
01:22:53.680 I mean, that's your life work product.
01:22:57.440 Have you been expelled from the movement?
01:23:00.000 Pretty much, yeah.
01:23:01.980 You know, the weird thing is I think of you as a radical environmentalist.
01:23:06.680 Well, I definitely am.
01:23:07.620 Yeah, you are.
01:23:08.720 I haven't showered inside in 10 years.
01:23:10.540 Yeah, yeah.
01:23:10.940 No, I feel it so strongly.
01:23:12.480 Also, you know, you love nature.
01:23:14.420 You're against these big projects that are destroying it.
01:23:18.600 And, you know, you talk about toxics.
01:23:21.740 And the environmental movement no longer talks about toxics anymore.
01:23:25.520 They don't care about it.
01:23:26.740 They don't care that we're mass poisoning our children.
01:23:28.980 But it's so weird to me.
01:23:32.080 And, you know, I saw you.
01:23:36.360 For 40 years, I've been fighting against endocrine disruptors.
01:23:44.260 Endocrine disruptors are a class of chemicals that change.
01:23:48.980 They alter us hormonally, and they can change sexual conduct.
01:23:55.020 They can change sexual development.
01:23:59.720 They can affect fertility.
01:24:01.900 And we've already lost 50% of our sperm count.
01:24:05.460 You know, we're having girls in this country that are achieving puberty on average between 10 and 13 years old.
01:24:12.320 That's six years less, younger than they were, you know, 80 years ago.
01:24:17.820 We have the lowest puberty levels on any continent in the world here because we're just bombarding our children with endocrine disruptors.
01:24:28.720 And, you know, there are chemicals like PCBs, olechlorinated biphenyls, atrazine, which can turn male frogs into females and produce fertile eggs.
01:24:41.840 That's how potent they are as an endocrine disruptor.
01:24:45.420 And it's in 63% of our water supply.
01:24:50.720 PCBs, which I've been fighting since the day I became an environmental lawyer and getting them out of the Hudson.
01:24:55.960 And for 40 years, I've been trying to get Republicans to talk about it.
01:25:03.760 I talk with Roger Ailes all the time, who both of us know, who would lend me occasionally onto Fox News to talk about it.
01:25:13.600 But there was so much hostility from the Republican Party because it was like you're attacking corporate profit-taking and that these are chemicals, they're molecules, who cares?
01:25:22.380 You know, they can't hurt you.
01:25:23.440 So, and there was just – and then you do this incredible show on endocrine disruptors.
01:25:30.820 And I'm like, oh, my God, Tucker Carlson has just done the best show that's ever been done showing, you know, what's happening with endocrine disruptors and how they're just destroying us.
01:25:41.540 And the Democrats went after you and the environmental movement.
01:25:46.900 And I'm like, what?
01:25:48.560 You know, this is what we've been trying to get for 40 years, the Republicans to care about these issues.
01:25:54.420 And they said, oh, he's saying that chemicals turn people gay and he's anti-gay and all this stuff.
01:26:00.720 And that wasn't what you said at all.
01:26:02.520 And that's not what anybody said.
01:26:04.100 And what we're saying is we're destroying our children.
01:26:09.560 That's what we're saying.
01:26:10.880 Yeah, and God's creation, which is not ours to destroy.
01:26:13.520 Your description of why we protect nature and its role in our lives and what happens when you're cut off from nature and animals, but being part of nature is the best I've ever heard, ever.
01:26:25.560 Oh, thank you.
01:26:26.300 I mean it.
01:26:26.940 And when that, you know, when it becomes a matter of quantifying things for profit, then that kind of corrupts the whole enterprise.
01:26:34.100 So where do you – my last question, what happens now?
01:26:37.680 You had this kind of amazing announcement with Donald Trump on Friday.
01:26:41.580 It's now Monday, I think.
01:26:42.820 It was just three days ago.
01:26:44.200 How do you spend from here until Election Day?
01:26:47.320 I'm going to work to get him elected.
01:26:49.400 And, you know, I'm working with the campaign.
01:26:52.160 We're working on policy issues together.
01:26:54.000 We're – I will – I've been asked to go on to the transition team and, you know, to help pick the people who will be running the government.
01:27:07.360 And I'm looking forward to that.
01:27:11.020 And I – you know, I'm going to fight.
01:27:13.180 I mean, I don't know what would happen to me if we lose.
01:27:17.340 Well, that's kind of – I mean, a lot of people I know personally and I'm friends with have gone to prison.
01:27:22.240 One of them is in prison right now, Pavel Jurov.
01:27:24.540 There are others.
01:27:26.520 Like, what happens if he loses to you?
01:27:31.400 If – you mean if –
01:27:33.240 Trump loses and Kamala Harris becomes president?
01:27:35.400 Oh, I don't know.
01:27:36.180 But, I mean, I – listen, I know.
01:27:37.880 I don't – I never really think about that.
01:27:41.220 What I think is –
01:27:42.080 Oh, you're good.
01:27:42.600 What I think is, okay, here's what I got to do today.
01:27:45.800 And, you know, get up every day and say reporting for duty, sir, and then go do that.
01:27:50.080 And, you know, nothing's a crisis.
01:27:52.980 Everything's a task, right?
01:27:54.720 And so that's what I'm going to be, kind of a happy warrior.
01:27:59.460 You know, I'm – I know what I have to do, so I'm going to do it.
01:28:03.780 Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., thank you.
01:28:06.760 Thank you, Tucker.
01:28:07.080 That was really – that was a blessing.
01:28:08.540 I appreciate it.
01:28:09.160 Thank you.
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