Rod Blagojevich： Kamala’s Corruption, & the Real Cause of the Democrat Party’s Spiral Into Insanity
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Tucker Carlson: I'm sorry to laugh for your prison sentence, but it's just, it's remarkable . Tucker Carlson says his prison story is one of the most incredible I've ever heard . Carlson: Even if you hadn't gotten screwed, I would be in awe of your toughness, emotional, spiritual toughness to come out positive, focused, not bitter .
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I'll tell you, this is a long way from being inmate number 40892424.
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Well, I must say your prison story, I've heard a lot of prison stories,
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It's a story that starts with one president, Obama.
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He started the whole thing because he sent someone to me
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And most of it's about a governor in prison with Crips and Bloods,
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gangster disciples, Sinaloa cartel drug dealers who look up to El Chapo
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Murderers weren't there for my first three years.
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I lived in a six-foot by eight-foot prison cell,
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a far cry from the 50,000-square-foot governor's mansion.
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But what's incredible to me was the fact that you survived it mentally,
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And I just find that, I mean, if you had killed 10 people,
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it's not even about, I mean, I think you got screwed, as you know.
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emotional, spiritual toughness to come out positive, focused, not bitter.
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What's so obvious, if I had, how long were you away?
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It's just, I'm sorry to laugh for your prison sentence.
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Three years in that six foot by eight foot prison cell,
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you know, in the higher prison where they were squeezing me,
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you know, with the gangbangers, murderers, bank robbers, pedophiles,
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transgender people who were half woman, half man, funded by you, the taxpayer.
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And you can't call them a woman or they'll throw you in the shoe,
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solitary confinement, they take away your good time.
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So I know what it's like to live in a society that's imposing what you can even say,
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I mean, they're basically trying to turn the country into an open air prison
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where they control your behavior, your language, your thought.
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And, you know, you get those moments when you're,
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you find yourself in deep despair and you feel like there's no chance.
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You can't even get mercy because you fought back.
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Request for campaign contributions, no quid pro quo.
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And then you put your faith in the appellate court.
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And then they, you know, they can't uphold the so-called sale of the Senate seat
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because if they allow that standard, government shuts down
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because that's all horse trading and that's what they called it and they were right.
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So they eventually reversed that, but I'm known for this.
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The other ones were three fundraising requests made by third parties, not even by me.
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And they knew not to make any promises or threats.
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And they criminalized it by using a standard that the Supreme Court said wasn't the law.
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And it was whitewashed by the appellate court to protect them.
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But then you say to yourself, you know, it ain't about you anymore.
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And as long as you have purpose in life, you can survive anything.
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And Viktor Frankl wrote that book, Man's Search for Meaning, Holocaust Survivor.
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I mean, a million times worse than anything we went through.
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But his point was, the last of the human freedoms is our freedom to choose our own attitude
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And I got to tell you, and this is not baloney.
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And I reached for that Bible in a way I never did before.
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I wasn't going to bother with the Genesis or Leviticus or Deuteronomy, get caught up
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in who's beginning who, because that would always slow me down when I try to read it in
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I went right to the Psalms and got inspiration.
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And it just gave me strength and drew me closer to God.
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I'm not running for anything, so I'm not giving any BS to your listeners.
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And in some respects, I'm not saying it was good, but I'd have moments over the years
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where I would actually feel some sort of real unique connection to God.
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And it was somewhat like what Solzhenitsyn had written when he was in Siberia.
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And he had talked about, he had said something like, thank you, prison, for what you did
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for me, because, but for what you did, I would not feel as close to God as I do now.
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Boy, that's just such a remarkable perspective, such a non-American perspective.
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No, but I think what you're saying is that suffering turned you into a different man,
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And I think a greater appreciation for the things that really matter most in life, you
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know, like the people in your life that you love and the appreciation for the simple things
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that maybe you were, you know, a little bit less aware of because you were so busy in the
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There was no iPhone in the world at that time when I left home, when I got home eight years
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Well, I noticed this whole new thing called wokeness and cancel culture, which I wasn't aware
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I noticed the intolerance of the far left of the Democrat party.
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I noticed that my daughters, my little girls grew up and became vegans.
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Not that they're, you know, far left, but that was weird.
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I mean, there's nothing, you know, I'm not against, you know, whatever.
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Eat whatever you want or whatever you, you know, don't eat what you don't want to eat.
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On the other hand, that's like the fear of every father that your girls are going to become vegans
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because it feels like it represents something else.
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It's that they, you know, they feel like it's wrong to, you know, eat meat to, you know, kill an animal.
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And it's a very sweet, kind thing on their point of view.
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And then, you know, I came home to a, you know, working class neighborhood in Chicago.
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I mean, we live in a nice little neighborhood, but where the local Democrat party began to turn socialist.
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And, you know, the local city council people, we call them aldermen in Chicago.
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I think in 2019, my sister-in-law was the alderman in our ward.
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She had inherited that seat from her father, had been there for a long, long time.
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And she got beat by a socialist, lost by 12 votes, but a socialist.
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And then some of the other longstanding members of the city council were defeated by socialists.
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And so suddenly that was this new realization that the Democrat party at the grassroots level was radicalized.
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And now we're going to get a major property tax increase in Chicago.
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The mayor, Brandon Johnson, just announced that.
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And as I read that this morning, I was thinking, driving here, geez, I wonder if we're going to, we have any risk of getting carjacked up here in Bethel, Maine, right?
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Because in Chicago, you got to think about those things.
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I mean, it's, you know, people have all these ideologies and I'm a this or I'm a that, I believe.
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But I don't know, on some level, it's kind of about, do you make the town, the state, the country better to live in or not?
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And you're saying that the people who took over Chicago did not improve life.
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They're unwilling to have any kind of open-minded discussion about the fact that the schools have been failing for generations.
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And most of the kids that are suffering are the black kids.
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You know, they talked a big game about being on the side of the black people.
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But they won't even give a black mother a choice or a chance to maybe try another school because the public schools are so locked in to what the teachers unions want.
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And I'm not here to say that I wasn't exactly, you know, part of that Democrat party and the unions and the teachers unions.
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So, well, that's why it's worth asking you about this because you've seen, you've seen the whole scope of it.
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And, you know, the Democrat party that I was in, the party of the second mayor daily, the party of the first mayor daily, practical, you know, practical governance.
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It's the best snow plowing in the United States.
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When it snowed, Chicago got plowed before the suburbs.
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And not too stuck on ideology, but there were certain values that were fundamental to traditional Democrats.
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Love of country or faith, family, love of country.
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And this Democrat party is none of those three.
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And there is an assault on faith in America by these Democrats, by the more radical Democrats.
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And it's something that has grown over the last couple of decades, something I saw when I was a Democratic member of Congress.
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I hope I don't turn your listeners off, but I supported Pelosi to be the Democrat leader when I was there.
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Or I saw even the beginnings of that when they were trying to take God out of the, you know, the, in God we trust her.
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Well, she's a Catholic girl from Baltimore, son of the mayor.
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She was very, I mean, she was the son of Baltimore's mayor daily, like an old school machine Democrat.
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And so she's gravitated towards that energy in the Democrat party today, which is that far left socialist Democrat party that wants to rechange America.
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And you say this, and I'll repeat what you say, and that is to force us and make us to try to believe things we know they're just not true.
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But you saw a hostility to Christianity when you were there.
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But, you know, it'd be, once in a while, there'd be congressional resolutions to take God out of the chamber, the House chamber.
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And then there was the judge in Alabama, Roy Moore.
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I'm proud to say that back in the late 90s, as a Democrat congressman from the city of Chicago, I supported that judge.
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Why can't he put the Ten Commandments up there in his courthouse?
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So why were people so hysterical about Judge Roy Moore?
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Because there's a, you know, there's an element in America and it's found a home of the Democrat Party that's all about science and absolutely nothing about religion.
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I think the part of the coalition is the Democrat Party and I've been supportive of LGBTQ issues, but I think they feel threatened by Judeo-Christian values.
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And so they've become, in many respects, antagonistic to those traditional values and these are some of the practical considerations that are part of why a lot of these Democrats have left the traditional Democrat, you know, working person's view of God and have become more apt to embrace science.
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And, you know, one of the, I'm not saying there's any advantages to be in prison for a long time.
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But when you got all that time and you got to kill it, you either try to use it constructively or it'll kill you.
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And it's a good place to catch up on your reading.
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And I used to read a lot of the sermons from Martin Luther King and one of his sermons was really powerful and he talked about what science can do, the good things, but it's God that provides the conscience to guide science.
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And, you know, science creates the medicines that cure people, which is great, also created the nuclear weapons that can destroy the world.
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The best and brightest can be corrupt because I know what they did to me and to my family.
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It was shocking to me that U.S. attorneys could be so dishonest and corrupt and that the judge would be in on it.
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I mean, obviously your distress had happened to you, but you were shocked that it happens?
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I was a Cook County prosecutor when I started out in a low level.
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Daily, the second mayor of Daily at the time was the elected Cook County State's attorney and he was my boss.
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So he's way up high and I'm a traffic court, right?
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There were like 800 of us assistants, big, you know, big office.
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I ended up in the misdemeanor branch courts and then I went into private practice.
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It was only until I became an elected official and then in 10 short years I became the governor.
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That's a fraught relationship always between Chicago mayor and Illinois governor anyway, isn't it?
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But I think that he's practical and, you know, these Democrats, you know, have programs and stuff that they want to pay for and, you know, bloated budgets are not a priority.
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And even the old school Democrats, that's not a priority.
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It's, you know, jobs and, you know, opportunities for people who've helped and that kind of thing.
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But the point I wanted to make about Daley was when I worked in that state's attorney's office, you know, I learned a lot about how, you know, prosecutors operated and they were all right, mostly good.
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But I imagine that the federal U.S. attorneys who went to the better schools, you know, I could never have a chance to be one of them, right?
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Grades, I was a gentleman C scholar in law school, that these people had to be really smart, really bright, and they had to be super honest compared to the local Democratic prosecutors.
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Many of whom, you know, had some political backing to get their jobs.
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And I discovered they are, in my case anyway, and I don't want to speak generally about everybody, but they are so corrupt.
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Well, look at Andrew Weissman, you know, at the very top was a truly evil man.
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And, you know, Weissman, I'm sure, was smart, clever anyway, and certainly well credentialed and has almost unchecked power.
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So, he destroyed Arthur Anderson with fake law.
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The Supreme Court took the case, and Weissman's standard that used to destroy Arthur Anderson and cost all those people jobs, nine to nothing, the Supreme Court ruled.
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Yeah, so he destroyed the—and what does he get for that?
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He gets rewarded by being some big commentator on CNN, and people listen to this guy like he's honest.
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So, what—not to get sidetracked, but what is the Daley fam?
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What do they think of the modern Democratic Party, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden?
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—ran for mayor of Chicago while I was in prison.
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And shockingly got his ass kicked in the new Chicago, and that's when Lori Lightfoot was elected.
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She was a big failure, and she got defeated soundly, but the fact that the Daley could lose in Chicago was another reminder that, boy, times have changed.
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The city that used to be, you know, diverse racially, you know, very strong, still, you know, black population.
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Still in the poor, bad, rough neighborhoods, a big Latino population, but it was a city of white working class, white ethnics.
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You know, they—two, three generations, they've worked hard to build better lives for themselves.
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They've taken advantage, like our friend Philip over here.
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They've moved upward, out of the city, and into, you know, more affluent suburbs.
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They sure were, and they've been replaced by these young, you know, young, new generation, not very politically aware, you know, probably driven by the social issues more than anything else.
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You know, a woman's right to choose those kinds of issues.
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So they've been replaced by affluent, white, inherited money kids.
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It's rich, white women and illegal aliens working in tandem to destroy civilization.
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The unhappiest people and the most, you know, the people with the least power who just can be used as cannon fodder for the program of the unhappiest people.
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So, but do you know what the dailies think of this?
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Well, look, yeah, I know that—I know Rich Daley better than Bill Daley.
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And then there's John Daley, the younger one, and the father.
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And Mayor Daley, who's in his early 80s now, he hosts a Christmas party every year, and I get invited.
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I get to see him, and he's had a couple of strokes, and then he hosts a St. Patrick's Day party, as you can imagine.
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But I think he's quietly going to vote for Trump.
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And Bill Daley, maybe not, because he's sort of, you know, he was more like—Bill Daley didn't win elected office.
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And, well, I don't want to demean him, but he doesn't have the same kind of testicular virility you got to have to be in the arena and be good at it.
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The Greeks invented philosophy, so if you like philosophy, you're Greek.
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If you've ever taken a philosophy class, you're Greek.
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If you've ever skipped a philosophy class, then failed that philosophy class,
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know a guy named Phil, or even know a guy who knows a guy named Phil, that's good enough.
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That means ordering delicious euros with tender potatoes from Jimmy the Greek.
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What did, I mean, I think most people thought Obama was like a sign that America was getting
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healthier healing from, you know, past trauma and all that.
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But when did you realize that Obama was not what he seemed to be?
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And what role did he play in the disaster in your life?
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You know, my story, the book that I'm writing is a story that started with him on election night.
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We both came up together in politics, had good relationships.
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I was introduced to him by a guy by the name of Tony Bresco.
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Who's not nearly what the guy who's been portrayed.
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I mean, businessman, very practical, extremely generous to Obama and good to Obama, helpful
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to both of us raising money and things like that.
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And when I was elected governor, he would come to me with requests from Obama.
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And, you know, a lot of it were appointments to high positions in state government.
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I was two years ahead of Obama in terms of going to the next level because I was the first
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Democrat governor elected in Illinois in 2002 and with this long and hard to pronounce last
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name, which was kind of cutting edge at the time because for the most part, Illinois was
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You know, we had Thompson and we had Edgar and we had Ryan before me.
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But I think in some respects, I'm, you know, I should apologize to the American people because
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I might have had something to do with Obama's success because I think he saw that if I won
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and I could win downstate in the rural areas and, you know, deep Southern Illinois, which
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is the American South, a guy like me from Chicago, he could do it.
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And with a name you can't say his name, he could do it.
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And he got the opportunity to give that speech in Boston, which was his William Jennings
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I turned to Bobby Rush, the congressman, former Black Panther.
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As soon as you got done with that speech, you're the only guy who's ever beaten that guy in
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an election because Obama challenged him in 1998.
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But no, I thought Obama was all right, you know, kind of cold and impersonal, but okay.
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But he's one of the more selfish people in politics on a one-on-one level.
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And he's not pure like the driven snow in the sense of his ethics or morality.
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And, you know, Tony Resko is the guy who bought this lot next to Obama's home.
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And one of the things I write about in my book is that when I was governor first, and then Barack won in 2004, I was asked to make a phone call on behalf of Michelle Obama.
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Because as soon as he won the Senate race, she wanted a job either at Northwestern University or the University of Chicago hospitals for $200,000 to $300,000 a year, the wife of the new senator.
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And I think Northwestern, we should double check this, but my recollection is good.
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I think Northwestern was willing to pay $200,000 to hire her.
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This is the wife of the new U.S. senator and federal money for, you know, Medicaid and Medicare, things like that.
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And then they got a better offer at the University of Chicago, which is in Hyde Park, where they're from, $300,000.
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And Hyde called to help because, you know, you help people in politics and the guy's wife wants a job, I'll make a phone call.
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She didn't get it because of me, but it didn't hurt to have the governor call.
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But the second Obama gets elected, Michelle says, I want a job at one of two hospitals for between $200,000 and $300,000.
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And she ended up working at the University of Chicago Hospital, almost certain $300,000 a year.
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And so Resco was really helpful, really helpful to Obama.
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And so when the investigations against me heated up, it had to do with fundraising, and Tony was part of that.
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I don't know whether those things that they said he did were even legal based on what they did to me.
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But Obama just ran from him, did nothing to help him, and, you know, pretends like he never knew him.
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And yet the moment he became senator, she gets that $300,000 a year job with a little help, tiny little bit of help from me with a phone call.
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And then they buy this mansion in the Kenwood neighborhood, which is Hyde Park, Chicago.
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Beautiful old mansions where the family of Leopold and Loeb, they lived, right?
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So a lot of sickos in that neighborhood going back 100 years.
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I mean, it's a bashing of, you know, liberal America there.
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So what happened was the Obamas bought this mansion.
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I guess he felt like I was getting a mansion because I was the governor.
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It wasn't mine, but I got the use of a 50,000 square foot governor's mansion.
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So they purchased the lot with the house on it, the mansion on it, but they couldn't afford the adjoining lot.
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And my understanding of the federal investigations with me were also connected to Obama, that these guys were apparently looking into that and some other things.
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Along the way, the dynamic changed and Obama started moving up in the presidential race.
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And here again, it's something I'd like to take back, but I was the first governor in America to endorse him for president.
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We had a personal relationship from Illinois and he was running against Hillary.
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But what ultimately happened was when he started rising, Axelrod, David, who used to work for me and then went on to Obama, I knew what they were doing.
00:28:04.500
They were, for political reasons, they were influencing the media to pretty much lay Tony me up more than Obama.
00:28:11.700
I was more Tony'd up and Tony was a supporter and a friend and he was, and I liked Tony in spite of everything that's happened to him.
00:28:22.100
And Tony had done more for Obama over the years than he did for me.
00:28:25.620
And ultimately politically and in the media, the media just conveniently ignored Resco's relationship to Obama.
00:28:39.440
He did when I was a congressman, when I ran for congressman.
00:28:49.900
No, I like David a lot, but he's a very practical guy and he's very ambitious politically.
00:28:53.780
And, you know, it's a rough and tumble business.
00:28:55.920
And, you know, when his interests collide with yours, you know.
00:29:03.440
And I think a lot of the political consultants are that way.
00:29:09.840
When Kerry had been beaten by Bush in 2004, and the Democrats all felt like Kerry was going to win.
00:29:17.620
In fact, Kerry was getting some massage in Boston that night, election night.
00:29:22.920
He used to write great speeches for Ted Kennedy.
00:29:26.600
Shrum watched it and said, walked in and told him something like, I'd hear this stuff from the Democrat world, you know.
00:29:32.200
Let me be the first one to congratulate you, Mr. President, right?
00:29:36.320
And then the next morning it was finally concluded that Bush won Ohio, right?
00:29:53.940
And, of course, Wednesday I get a phone call at about six in the evening.
00:30:01.720
And he said, you know, the Democrats, Hillary's the frontrunner in 2008, but too liberal, too disliked.
00:30:15.480
Somebody from the heartland of America, that's what he called it.
00:30:18.740
You need to have an open mind about thinking about running for president and challenging Hillary in 2008.
00:30:32.340
But I think David wasn't quite sure that maybe America was ready to elect a black person.
00:30:39.220
He wanted to make sure he has a horse in the race because the Clintons already have their people.
00:30:54.480
He was probably positioning himself to see which one of us might have the better chance.
00:31:00.420
And he picked the right horse eventually because Obama was the right one.
00:31:03.200
And, of course, Obama's success and my calamity parallel, right?
00:31:08.040
And so you ask me, this is a long answer to your question about 55 minutes ago, what did Obama have to do with my problems?
00:31:16.420
It was election night, we're there, and a labor boss by the name of Tom Balinoff, Service Employees Union, big supporter of both of us, came up to me.
00:31:25.780
Grant Park in Chicago, beautiful weather, magical, historic night.
00:31:33.020
He wanted me to talk to you about Valerie Jarrett.
00:31:34.980
He'd like her, very close friend to Michelle Obama, by the way.
00:31:38.040
He'd like you to appoint her to the United States Senate because the governor has to appoint the senator.
00:31:41.580
And he wanted me to ask you what you would want.
00:31:46.780
Can I call you and come and see you and make an appointment?
00:31:56.140
I went out and ran like eight miles that day, seven miles.
00:32:00.240
I'm laying on my little family room floor, stretching.
00:32:15.380
Probably legal stuff, not, you know, give me cash or anything, which would be illegal.
00:32:19.400
Political horse trading, which eventually is what the Supreme Court, I mean, the appellate
00:32:24.440
And then I say, and, you know, unless I do something, you know, significant, this will
00:32:30.000
I said, so-and-so had suggested that we just kiss his ass and give him whoever he wants.
00:32:37.080
But that seems like that would be political malpractice.
00:32:40.700
We have a real opportunity here to, you know, do something meaningful.
00:32:43.860
And then I said, I know, this is effing golden.
00:32:56.300
When you're in Chicago politics and the ethics in that place and the way they do business
00:33:00.480
and the way the feds not wrongly necessarily try to set people up to see whether or not
00:33:07.120
They send people in, they give you, offer you cash and stuff like that.
00:33:10.160
And you'd be an idiot if you don't think they may be listening.
00:33:14.340
I, it wasn't, I had been under federal investigation for five years.
00:33:17.200
I knew it because of the Resco stuff and some other stuff, people who were supporters of mine
00:33:22.580
I mean, I thought it's all very possible and everything I'm talking about doing is legal.
00:33:26.540
And I was super careful because I was under such intense federal investigation at that time
00:33:30.980
to make sure that anything I talked about doing, I checked with my governor's lawyer and
00:33:35.920
And my lawyer was on the, on average, on all these FBI tapes, they taped my calls.
00:33:40.360
To this day, 98% of those tapes are covered up under a court seal.
00:33:44.020
The judge would not allow us to talk about how my lawyer was on those calls three times
00:33:48.340
Cause at that point, you know, now you know, they're coming.
00:33:51.760
You want to be absolutely careful that whatever you do on the Senate seat is legal, right?
00:33:57.020
And so you, you're throwing out all kinds of ideas cause you do have this effing golden
00:34:01.140
We talked about Oprah for a couple of days, all these crazy ideas and everybody wanted it.
00:34:06.800
Everybody wanted me to appoint them, as you can imagine.
00:34:10.660
And, you know, and through third parties or suggesting deals that were political, they
00:34:15.120
Some had suggested money and campaign funds, which would have been illegal.
00:34:19.880
And, um, but I would talk to my lawyer, you know, three times a day and, and he was advising
00:34:25.980
In fact, one call, I say something like, you know, we're trying, we're discussing a creative
00:34:32.220
way to create a nonprofit political action committee to help support the advancement
00:34:38.620
of access to healthcare, which was a big issue for me when I was governor.
00:34:42.260
And Obama was talking about doing Obamacare and all this at the federal level.
00:34:45.600
And some of the people that had put our healthcare plans together in Illinois went on to work
00:34:50.700
And so the question was whether or not there was something that we could do to be helpful
00:34:54.780
to push it further in Illinois and do something.
00:35:01.680
Obama gets some of these big, rich Democrats who give money to him to put it in our thing.
00:35:06.420
And can we, uh, you know, perhaps make the deal on the Senate seat for something like this.
00:35:11.540
And so I say to the lawyer and to one of my aides, I say, I mean, how do you do a deal
00:35:19.640
Obviously I'm on the tape saying that a couple of years go by, I'm at my second trial.
00:35:25.100
Cause they failed to convict me on their corrupt charges, the first trial.
00:35:28.860
And they're going to play that tape against me.
00:35:31.200
And I'd be actually charged one of my, the crimes, it was that phone call.
00:35:38.420
Obviously I'm asking, I don't even know if you could do it.
00:35:42.180
And they criminalized it, but surely I'm going to get acquitted on this.
00:35:46.600
But the jury instruction was custom tailored to fit these conversations to tell the jury
00:35:51.980
that those things were criminal and they can commit to convict anybody if they do that.
00:35:56.940
If they decide, for example, that this conversation you and I are having and they, you know, they
00:36:01.920
charge us and then they got to prove it before a jury and they got to judge us willing to do
00:36:06.920
All they got to do is just write up a jury instruction, 12 laymen, average, everyday, ordinary people
00:36:12.000
who aren't lawyers, aren't in politics, just tell them this is against the law and they'll
00:36:18.100
They'll convict you of this conversation because they're told by the judge and the prosecutors
00:36:22.580
So big picture, why do you think they did this to you?
00:36:28.240
Well, they were Bush prosecutors that started it.
00:36:40.340
So they came at six o'clock in the morning and arrested a sitting governor.
00:36:44.060
I mean, I was Roger Stone years before Roger Stone, right?
00:36:48.200
My little girls are sleeping at, you know, ready, going to get up shortly for school.
00:36:53.380
My little one at the time was five and she was in bed with us and I got up at six.
00:37:00.380
I was going to actually go run that was winter.
00:37:06.580
The guy says, we have a warrant for your arrest and the agent so-and-so.
00:37:10.760
And I had state police security all the time as the governor.
00:37:20.680
And I said, come on, Jimmy, stop effing around six o'clock in the morning.
00:37:29.220
I think they got me, handcuffed me, drove me to their facility.
00:37:34.900
By four hours later, by 10 o'clock, they were a good cop.
00:37:44.440
I believed my interpretation was they wanted me to talk about Obama.
00:37:47.780
I don't think they were ever going to go after Obama at that point.
00:37:51.580
But I think they wanted to see whether or not I would, here's a prison term, snitch on the president-elect.
00:37:59.000
They probably told him that anyway because they lie.
00:38:01.700
In any event, I said, I was never involved in any wrongdoing with him.
00:38:04.820
I don't know whether he's involved in anything of that sort.
00:38:16.540
They shipped me to another facility, the court building, and put me in a small little cell.
00:38:20.440
And they had me next to this really angry guy all caught up on PCP, you know, screaming and MF.
00:38:26.600
And he had no clue that he was right next to the governor.
00:38:28.560
Or, you know, I'm doing push-ups in there because I'm thinking this is really a bad day.
00:38:37.140
But maybe at some point I want to be able to say that while I was in the heat of the moment, I still was strong enough to do some push-ups in my cell.
00:38:49.180
Plus, if you're going to join a gang, you need to be buff.
00:38:53.580
Anyway, so I think – and then they went to Obama the next day.
00:39:00.640
Every criminal defendant is entitled under the Constitution to have evidence that could exonerate him or her.
00:39:07.440
And Obama's 302s are relevant – directly relevant to my case.
00:39:12.080
To this day, they won't give it to us, what Obama said.
00:39:15.120
And he publicly contradicted what the labor boss, Balinov, had said that he had come to me the night before because it all started that way.
00:39:21.600
And Balinov had testified under oath twice in two trials that he said that Obama had called him and sent him over to me.
00:39:28.200
And, you know, it was about talking about a political deal.
00:39:33.300
What he said on those FBI 302s might contradict that.
00:39:41.880
Um, so I think what happened was – because it's unusual, and you know this – the new president doesn't keep the U.S. attorney from the previous president, especially if it's the other party.
00:40:00.720
And it wasn't until they got me at the second trial years later that they all went into private practice and became partners at big firms making millions of dollars.
00:40:07.360
One lady, one of them became a judge, but Fitzgerald's a partner in a big law firm.
00:40:11.220
The lead prosecutor, partner in a big law firm.
00:40:15.000
And the moment that they got their convictions against me in the second trial, that's where they went.
00:40:20.020
And I think the reason Obama did nothing to be helpful while I'm in there.
00:40:23.940
And after being in prison for, well, five and a half, six, six and a half years, I was unusually – unlike the 151,000 federal inmates, I was probably the only guy who was able to get, this is the vernacular of prison, my paperwork in front of two presidents.
00:40:43.400
Axelrod was getting my request for a commutation from Obama on Obama's desk.
00:40:48.860
Like, he gave him letters from, you know, my two daughters, my young daughters to the president.
00:40:58.540
And I'd done already six and a half years asking for clemency.
00:41:02.560
And we recognized the politics of him and, you know, his image and walking out of the White House in January 20th, 2017.
00:41:12.000
So we're not even going to have it be where someone might have a, you know, the screenshot of him leaving the White House and me leaving the big house at the same time because we were connected to the case.
00:41:23.880
But why don't you just cut my sentence in half from 14 years?
00:41:27.780
It was a request for campaign contributions and a political deal you wanted to make.
00:41:33.960
Just cut my sentence from 14 years to seven, which would be higher than anybody governor's ever gotten from Illinois who's been in prison.
00:41:41.720
Probably maybe the longest actual time served of any governor.
00:41:45.520
And I'll limp out of prison in October of 2017.
00:41:48.420
And it sure looked promising in the days leading up to that because a few days before that he had released from prison a member of the FALN, the Puerto Rican terrorist group that was blowing up federal buildings.
00:42:02.480
So you should have been a Puerto Rican terrorist.
00:42:04.540
This guy got released by Obama a few days before.
00:42:08.280
And I'm thinking, ooh, that's a good sign for me.
00:42:11.980
And then a guy got 35 years in prison for treason against the United States.
00:42:23.080
Chelsea Manning through the largesse of the taxpayers.
00:42:27.480
Obama cut him, cut her loose after six years or seven years.
00:42:36.260
And I had members of Congress, Democrats who I'd served with, X-Rod, asking him to do it.
00:42:46.180
And I think it's because he made a deal with them.
00:42:57.540
And it shows a lot about the kind of person Trump is.
00:43:01.720
And all through this process, these long, hard years and the years of, you know, dashed hopes and expectations.
00:43:10.800
Because there was no way we could lose our appeal.
00:43:15.420
Then you figure, then they reverse the Senate seat after I'm in prison for three and a half years and vacate my sentence.
00:43:22.680
So I went from 14 years to no years for a year, which was easier time to do.
00:43:28.420
Because when you're looking, you know, you walk into prison in March of 2012, March 15th, and your exit day is May 2024, right?
00:43:42.000
So you've tried to break up, psychologically, you try to break up that time, right?
00:43:45.180
So you say, okay, let's get from here to the first, the appeal.
00:43:48.420
We're going to have hopes that we can win that.
00:43:51.780
You've seen enough of the system to know you're dead, right?
00:44:11.880
I'll keep, you know, working out, reading, and just trying to grow.
00:44:15.960
And then we'll go back to this judge when I will have served almost five years, more than
00:44:22.140
I mean, nobody in American history other than me has served a single day in prison for a
00:44:28.480
And this wasn't even a violation, but let's assume the worst that it was.
00:44:42.360
I'm video from Colorado in prison for the re-sentencing, August 9th, 2016.
00:44:52.540
The centerpiece of the case was a big lie to begin with.
00:45:03.260
We submit well over 100 letters from my colleagues, guys that I helped.
00:45:08.480
I'm criminals, but I learned a lot of these guys aren't bad guys.
00:45:13.700
They're just, you know, have gone the wrong way and got bad habits.
00:45:19.960
And there's real expectation that I'll go home.
00:45:26.400
And I hear my older daughter sobbing in the courtroom after they gave these beautiful presentations.
00:45:34.680
And look how, you know, how sweet and nice and smart they are.
00:45:41.240
You know, all these things I'm thinking at this re-sentencing.
00:45:46.160
And this whole miracle of how I eventually got home and that Donald Trump would be the instrument.
00:45:50.600
See, this is part of what I read about in my book.
00:45:53.200
I got to know him a little bit on Celebrity Apprentice, a show I never watched.
00:45:57.460
But after they took everything away from me and I had no income and I was an honest governor, didn't get rich in the business, I was getting these opportunities to do these, you know, one place that you can actually make a living when you got this leprosy is in entertainment.
00:46:14.120
No one wants to come near you when you got it, understandably.
00:46:16.100
But you're better than Diddy, so you can still get paid, yeah.
00:46:18.880
So, yeah, I turned down a bunch of really bad stuff, like being a greeter on an HBO show called The Bunny Ranch.
00:46:28.280
They thought I was perfect for the role because I was such a scoundrel in the media, right?
00:46:39.960
Anyway, but Trump's show can't call in because he saw me on television fighting back.
00:47:01.760
People don't realize on a personal level, Trump's a kind-hearted person, very different from most politicians.
00:47:07.960
And the direct opposite of a cold, selfish, completely practical Obama, right?
00:47:14.740
So when Obama passes me by, back to the resentencing on the 9th of August, the judge puts me back at 14 years.
00:47:32.640
Because that afternoon, Trump's given a speech in North Carolina.
00:47:36.880
And he starts talking about crooked Hillary, right?
00:47:40.540
And before the audience starts chanting, lock her up, lock her up, he says.
00:47:50.060
He's a choir boy next to Hillary, something like that.
00:47:56.820
And I'm thinking, because I believe, I know politics.
00:48:00.860
Even from a foreign prison, I felt he was going to beat her.
00:48:03.980
He was standing up to stuff he wasn't backing down like typical politicians do.
00:48:14.420
Well, he didn't do it, Obama, the 20th of January.
00:48:17.360
One month later, Trump's been president for one month.
00:48:19.600
If I get called into the case manager's office and they have a form I have to sign, it's a waiver.
00:48:26.220
I have to, if I agree, to allow the White House pardon office to get my prison records.
00:48:37.320
Trump's looking out and wants to see whether or not, you know, I was a well-behaved inmate.
00:48:40.620
There's a way perhaps where he can send me home.
00:48:43.320
And Obama was never going to do it because they never asked for my records.
00:48:46.820
And what that did for me was it gave me hope for the next couple of years.
00:48:51.580
And then after the Supreme Court didn't take our case, God bless you, my friend.
00:48:56.260
Me and my homies in prison are watching my wife on your show on a Monday in the spring of 2018.
00:49:04.680
That Monday evening, you had Patty, my wife Patty on.
00:49:12.280
Well, there's nothing more beautiful than a loyal spouse.
00:49:20.460
So when you see, going through everything that you did, when you see the FBI raid Mar-a-Lago in the summer of 2022, what do you think?
00:49:35.560
KGB Soviet-style police state politics in America.
00:49:39.720
The Bush administration started it, but this Fitzgerald is his own guy.
00:49:46.340
And there's no doubt in my mind that what they did to me at the AAA level to a Democrat governor, they said, ooh, we can get away with this.
00:49:52.220
Let's do it to Trump, a Republican president at the major league level.
00:49:56.020
And that's exactly what this whole Russian collusion bullshit was all about.
00:49:58.960
And I'm watching this from prison, and I know all of it.
00:50:02.760
I know what the stuff they say to the media, how they leak stuff and how they lie.
00:50:08.880
Our country is on the crossroads, on the threshold.
00:50:11.500
I mean, it's so important to elect Trump for a thousand reasons.
00:50:16.980
Because if we lose this, the ability in America to elect our leaders without the intervention of prosecutors, criminalizing things that aren't crimes for politics, the voters don't have any choices.
00:50:36.000
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So, I mean, we have a media-protected, you know,
00:52:29.980
first-line item in the Bill of Rights, as you know,
00:52:32.840
in order to push back against the abuse of power by the government.
00:52:43.460
They're, you know, the role that duty would compel them to play.
00:52:49.220
They seem to be, like, covering for the people in power.
00:52:56.140
The Fourth Estate, a free press and a free society.
00:53:06.120
when I'm sitting in the back seat of the FBI vehicle,
00:53:11.800
It's the fifth largest state in America, right?
00:53:25.740
to think that you can get away with something like that.
00:53:32.020
but Obama at that time was a demigod elevated by the media.
00:53:35.680
All superficial bullshit about how great he is.
00:53:38.980
But I'm going to be that stupid where I'm going to actually try to sell his Senate seat.
00:53:42.280
And I'm already under intense federal investigation for Bresco and some of these other guys.
00:53:47.180
And, you know, activists in politics and stuff,
00:53:53.220
So, now this, I'm thinking the media, and they're not so great,
00:53:58.140
but the media is certainly going to laugh them out of court before they get into court.
00:54:04.420
And the reality was they were all over it because it was just too super sensational to pass up.
00:54:14.300
So, they're more interested in the storyline than the truth,
00:54:17.060
abrogating their responsibility to all of us as citizens to keep an eye on the power.
00:54:23.040
These federal prosecutors have all the power, unchecked power,
00:54:25.620
not foreseen by our founding fathers when they divided our government.
00:54:30.360
They didn't know that there'd be a branch out of the executive part of the government,
00:54:33.780
an agency out of the executive branch that would grow like a cancer there,
00:54:41.260
originally going after the Al Capones of the world,
00:54:43.960
and now taking that power to all kinds of levels to turn it into a political life.
00:54:50.400
This is why the work that you do, Tucker, and I mean, you're so nice to me,
00:54:53.000
but I'm grateful to you for what you do and others like you who are fighting for,
00:54:56.760
you know, freedom and Elon Musk and these guys.
00:55:00.120
I mean, and I think it's important to say out loud what it is,
00:55:06.780
So, does, I mean, does Trump have a, well, in a fair election, do you think Trump will win?
00:55:13.480
If fair election, he wins every one of those battleground states with some cushion.
00:55:17.360
It's another thing I want to say to your listeners,
00:55:19.700
they should listen to me on this sort of stuff, you know, in a fair election.
00:55:23.360
One thing I've been good at in life is winning elections.
00:55:32.260
You know, running against Republicans for governor in Illinois,
00:55:34.500
being the first Democrat to win after 26 years.
00:55:40.700
I'm an expert witness when it comes to politics.
00:55:43.320
Understanding the mood of the voters, sensing them,
00:55:47.240
Actually, it's more instinctive, what you saw at Madison Square Garden
00:56:02.440
They're good, decent, hardworking, forgotten Americans.
00:56:07.680
And there's more of them that aren't and they've learned to know what's being done to them
00:56:12.540
and how our country is setting the priorities that go against their interests now so blatantly
00:56:18.220
for those who don't legally come to the United States.
00:56:21.680
And I believe if this election is run fairly, it's going to be a 2024 version of 1980
00:56:34.880
when the country made its choice between Reagan and Carter by the first or second week of October
00:56:41.720
and started shifting and going towards Reagan, ended up winning maybe 49 states or something.
00:56:46.860
That won't happen now because the demographic in America is different.
00:56:52.780
But if I'm right about this, Trump will sweep all of them
00:56:56.140
and might be competitive in states like Virginia, maybe, or Minnesota even.
00:57:02.220
But I'm very hopeful and, as Reagan used to say, cautiously optimistic.
00:57:08.780
Well, it does seem, I mean, I'd bet my house on the proposition that Trump is more popular
00:57:17.100
than Kamala Harris and more people in those seven states will vote for Trump than Kamala Harris.
00:57:23.160
But that doesn't mean that he's going to be president.
00:57:31.700
You can't really talk about it, but I have tremendous skepticism about all of that.
00:57:36.740
I was asked after that election about, you know.
00:57:42.100
And if we talk about that, well, this will be taken off YouTube.
00:57:47.060
Why do you, I mean, if somebody says, you know,
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we can talk about anything you want except this one thing.
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They wouldn't let me play them in court even to prove my innocence, right?
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If you're hiding something, there's a reason, right?
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But I think that so much, I think there's such a movement for Trump right now.
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And I think there's such a movement against what's happening.
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And I think the testicular virility, that great courage Trump showed at that moment when he got shot.
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I think he represents something that's really powerful.
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And you can just see all the things that are unfolding.
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And here's another reason why I feel very good about this election.
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The public polls, whatever they are, I never relied on those.
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And it guided how we ran the race and what the strategy was to run and win.
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And you know that the other side has their polling too.
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And in all likelihood, it's probably as good as yours.
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And so if you really want to know how the campaigns are going, just watch the candidates, where they go, what they say, what they do.
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And Trump's running on a message on things that he wants to do for the American people.
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Now they're in the late stages and making these outrageous accusations and calling people names.
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Whenever that would happen to me, they weren't calling me a Nazi.
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But you get nasty stuff thrown at you when you're ahead.
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And if it's fair and honest, he'll win comfortably in those seven states.
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So if they come to us the day after the election, and by day I mean Morning Joe and the rest of the sycophants in the media,
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and tell us that Kamala Harris turns out to be just incredibly popular, incredibly popular,
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and her compelling vision got her across the finish line with a massive margin,
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and she got, you know, 84 million votes, and she's the winner.
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And if you disagree, you know, you're a criminal.
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Hitler wanted to confirm some of what he was doing, and it was like 99 percent, yeah.
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I think that's the only way they could even remotely have a chance.
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But I mean, shouldn't, look, I don't want to be an election denier or denier of anything that's true.
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I always want to acknowledge what's true, period.
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But I also don't think that any of us are under the obligation to accept them at face value at their word.
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I think they've kind of tried the limits of good faith.
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And aren't we allowed to say, look, you say Kamala Harris won.
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They've been lying through the years, and they've just recently been lying about, about what?
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The cognitive capabilities of the president, and then they throw him out of office and, you know,
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hijack him from office and put her there, and, you know, lying about her record.
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I thought the idea, well, I was never against them.
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But I assumed that they were more efficient, that you got the results faster, and that they were more accurate.
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And they're not more accurate than hand-counting paper ballots, and they're certainly not faster.
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You know, the results in countries that don't have electronic voting machines are reliable,
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So what is the reason that we have electronic voting machines?
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So among the different people I write about in my book is Walter Hill, a black guy from East St. Louis, Illinois.
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And when I first got to prison, he embraced me.
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He had lost some weight, but he had been a big guy.
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And when he told me about having met him once down in the metro east area of Illinois, down southwestern Illinois, in East St. Louis, I kind of remembered him.
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And he was like some liquor license commissioner.
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But he said to me, and he was sympathetic to me because he's in politics.
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But he said to me, you know, I voted for you two times, right?
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You vote for the black guy nine times, me only two?
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I don't remember Obama running for president nine times.
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No, then that first election because this is –
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And I frankly believe he was telling me the truth.
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But that's the answer to your question about those machines.
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You know, what gives me hope too about this election is those –
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well, among the ways Democratic precinct workers –
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But you kind of know these activists are doing whatever they're doing.
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In the polling places that are controlled by Democrats,
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largely in the inner city, in the poor neighborhoods,
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is through the – what's called the absentee ballots.
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with the COVID situation and the mail-in ballots.
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And that's among the reasons why I have a, you know,
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I believe on honest skepticism about the result of that.
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And again, I know from my experience how the courts can, you know, be dishonest.
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There's got to be so many reforms that have to happen.
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And I think there has to be – nobody should be unchecked.
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I think that's the lesson from my hard experience.
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Another reason why, thank you scientists for your great intelligence
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But unless we guide you through conscience, which comes from God, right?
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So to answer your question, I think the voting system is the way it is today
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because of political priorities that are above and beyond
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And what really makes me angry at my party is nothing sacred to these people anymore,
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that they would weaponize the law and the justice system to destroy Trump
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nothing's going to stop them from destroying our freedoms.
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And little by little, this I know too, having lost mine,
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I see the steady erosion of freedom in America.
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America, and it's so much like countries that –
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like my father came from after World War II, Serbia.
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And, you know, they saw, they know how those rights and freedoms are taken away.
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And here's this – what Lincoln called the last best hope on earth.
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If we lose freedom here, forget about it all over the world.
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I think we're going to start seeing the beginning of a new dark age
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where tyrants and totalitarian governments are the rule and democracy is dead.
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and I hope she fixes the country that she helped destroy.
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I think it is the duty of the rest of us to resist that.
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I went to not-so-good schools in Chicago, public schools.
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and my mom worked for the public transit system,
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We didn't know anybody in politics or anything.
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We're saying that we're ignoring federal immigration law.
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How are we not breaking away from the rest of the United States?
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But again, the media just made it seem like an exercise in compassion.
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And thank you for a lot of the other services that are out there
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I mean, when you guys talk about mainstream media, you're right.
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Those Obamas have monetized, like the Clintons did,
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their time in the Oval Office and the White House.
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Well, I mean, he's got that whole establishment stuff
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that was like $60 million or something in advance.
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And I don't know what the other things he's doing,
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and I know, you know, them and the moment they won
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There's other things about him that I've been told by Tony
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And, you know, and where he was in the late 90s.
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who's made all that money and built it up in business
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and his family and all that wealth that he created
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Do you see, I mean, you keep hearing these whispers.
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A lot of them are just like nonsense on the internet