The Tucker Carlson Show - Rod Blagojevich： Kamala’s Corruption, & the Real Cause of the Democrat Party’s Spiral Into Insanity

00:00:00.380 I'll tell you, this is a long way from being inmate number 40892424.

00:00:04.560 Well, I must say your prison story, I've heard a lot of prison stories,

00:00:07.580 one of the most incredible I've ever heard.

00:00:09.020 Yeah, I'm writing a book about it.

00:00:10.080 You should.

00:00:10.620 And it's an unusual story.

00:00:11.600 It's a story that starts with one president, Obama.

00:00:14.280 He started the whole thing because he sent someone to me

00:00:16.460 to make a political deal for the senator.

00:00:18.500 Ends with Trump.

00:00:19.880 Okay.

00:00:20.120 And most of it's about a governor in prison with Crips and Bloods, 0.98

00:00:24.260 gangster disciples, Sinaloa cartel drug dealers who look up to El Chapo

00:00:28.440 like my daughters look up to Taylor Swift.

00:00:30.580 Murderers weren't there for my first three years.

00:00:32.540 I lived in a six-foot by eight-foot prison cell,

00:00:35.040 a far cry from the 50,000-square-foot governor's mansion.

00:00:37.320 Well, it's incredible.

00:00:38.320 But what's incredible to me was the fact that you survived it mentally,

00:00:43.980 not just intact but stronger.

00:00:46.140 And I just find that, I mean, if you had killed 10 people, 0.95

00:00:48.720 it's not even about, I mean, I think you got screwed, as you know. 0.91

00:00:52.240 Thank you. 0.95

00:00:52.520 But even if you hadn't gotten screwed, 0.70

00:00:53.600 I would still be in awe of your toughness, 0.96

00:00:58.260 emotional, spiritual toughness to come out positive, focused, not bitter.

00:01:04.160 I mean, that's remarkable to me.

00:01:05.680 Thank you.

00:01:06.120 Thanks for saying that.

00:01:06.900 No, I mean it.

00:01:07.960 What's so obvious, if I had, how long were you away?

00:01:11.300 2,896 days, one month short of eight years.

00:01:14.300 Not that I was counting.

00:01:16.200 It's just, I'm sorry to laugh for your prison sentence.

00:01:19.160 No, but it's just, it's remarkable.

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00:01:49.000 Here's the episode.

00:01:50.600 Three years in that six foot by eight foot prison cell,

00:01:53.080 you know, in the higher prison where they were squeezing me,

00:01:55.720 you know, with the gangbangers, murderers, bank robbers, pedophiles, 0.97

00:01:59.660 transgender people who were half woman, half man, funded by you, the taxpayer. 1.00

00:02:05.300 Mermaids. 0.97

00:02:05.720 And you can't call them a woman or they'll throw you in the shoe, 1.00

00:02:09.480 solitary confinement, they take away your good time.

00:02:11.880 So I know what it's like to live in a society that's imposing what you can even say,

00:02:17.420 you know, having been there for that time.

00:02:19.020 Well, that's such a smart point.

00:02:22.800 I mean, they're basically trying to turn the country into an open air prison

00:02:25.540 where they control your behavior, your language, your thought.

00:02:29.700 Yeah.

00:02:30.240 Well said.

00:02:31.540 Faith, hope, and love is what got me home.

00:02:33.240 Faith, hope, and love, you know?

00:02:35.380 And, you know, you get those moments when you're,

00:02:37.760 you find yourself in deep despair and you feel like there's no chance.

00:02:40.440 The system is so rigged.

00:02:41.540 You can't get justice.

00:02:42.640 You can't even get mercy because you fought back.

00:02:45.580 No one even said I took a penny.

00:02:46.740 It was all politics.

00:02:48.500 Request for campaign contributions, no quid pro quo.

00:02:50.980 We knew where the lines were.

00:02:52.760 Tried me twice.

00:02:54.480 And then you put your faith in the appellate court.

00:02:56.940 And then they, you know, they can't uphold the so-called sale of the Senate seat

00:03:01.180 because if they allow that standard, government shuts down

00:03:05.360 because that's all horse trading and that's what they called it and they were right.

00:03:08.380 So they eventually reversed that, but I'm known for this.

00:03:10.560 The other ones were three fundraising requests made by third parties, not even by me.

00:03:15.620 And they knew not to make any promises or threats.

00:03:18.580 And they criminalized it by using a standard that the Supreme Court said wasn't the law.

00:03:23.920 And it was whitewashed by the appellate court to protect them.

00:03:28.360 And, you know, you get those moments.

00:03:30.820 But then you say to yourself, you know, it ain't about you anymore.

00:03:34.140 It's about your daughters.

00:03:35.480 They were little girls when I left home.

00:03:36.840 And your wife, you got to be strong for them.

00:03:39.380 And as long as you have purpose in life, you can survive anything.

00:03:42.880 And Viktor Frankl wrote that book, Man's Search for Meaning, Holocaust Survivor.

00:03:46.620 I mean, a million times worse than anything we went through.

00:03:49.500 But his point was, the last of the human freedoms is our freedom to choose our own attitude

00:03:54.460 in any given set of circumstances.

00:03:56.980 It was very helpful.

00:03:57.900 And I got to tell you, and this is not baloney.

00:03:59.580 Am I on right now?

00:04:00.620 Yeah.

00:04:00.880 Yeah.

00:04:01.500 The Bible.

00:04:02.580 I mean, I was so alone in the beginning.

00:04:03.880 And I reached for that Bible in a way I never did before.

00:04:07.520 I wasn't going to bother with the Genesis or Leviticus or Deuteronomy, get caught up

00:04:11.140 in who's beginning who, because that would always slow me down when I try to read it in

00:04:14.660 the real world.

00:04:15.520 I went right to the Psalms and got inspiration.

00:04:19.840 And then I moved on.

00:04:20.760 I went to Isaiah and Jeremiah.

00:04:22.460 Then I went to the Gospels.

00:04:24.700 Paul, of course.

00:04:25.900 And, well, all of them.

00:04:27.260 Speaking in prison terms.

00:04:29.160 Exactly.

00:04:29.820 In Rome.

00:04:30.460 Paul did a lot of time.

00:04:31.360 He sure did.

00:04:32.020 And it just gave me strength and drew me closer to God.

00:04:36.380 I'm not running for anything, so I'm not giving any BS to your listeners.

00:04:39.420 It was just real.

00:04:40.840 And in some respects, I'm not saying it was good, but I'd have moments over the years

00:04:45.960 where I would actually feel some sort of real unique connection to God.

00:04:50.720 And it was somewhat like what Solzhenitsyn had written when he was in Siberia.

00:04:56.080 And he had talked about, he had said something like, thank you, prison, for what you did

00:05:00.760 for me, because, but for what you did, I would not feel as close to God as I do now.

00:05:06.980 Boy, that's just such a remarkable perspective, such a non-American perspective. 0.82

00:05:10.920 Thank you for prison.

00:05:12.600 Yeah, that's what he said.

00:05:13.560 Yeah, that's what he wrote.

00:05:14.240 I'm not quite going that far.

00:05:15.880 No, but I think what you're saying is that suffering turned you into a different man,

00:05:19.820 and a better man.

00:05:21.440 Yeah, I think, yes.

00:05:22.520 And I think a greater appreciation for the things that really matter most in life, you

00:05:27.120 know, like the people in your life that you love and the appreciation for the simple things

00:05:30.740 that maybe you were, you know, a little bit less aware of because you were so busy in the

00:05:34.760 race of life to get ahead, right?

00:05:37.660 No iPhone must have been nice.

00:05:39.760 There was no iPhone in the world at that time when I left home, when I got home eight years

00:05:43.420 later.

00:05:43.900 What is this thing, right?

00:05:46.060 Wow.

00:05:46.340 The world changes.

00:05:47.220 And that's another thing.

00:05:48.120 It's humbling.

00:05:48.580 Is it okay if I keep talking like this?

00:05:49.920 I hope you will.

00:05:50.980 Yeah.

00:05:51.420 It's like, you ain't so good.

00:05:52.900 You ain't so great, man.

00:05:53.980 It ain't like the world waits for you.

00:05:55.240 That's right.

00:05:55.340 It just keeps spinning around, man.

00:05:57.220 Huh?

00:05:57.680 That is the truth.

00:05:59.080 In the end, all graves go unvisited.

00:06:01.500 That should be on everybody's refrigerator.

00:06:03.080 Wow.

00:06:03.700 Your party changed.

00:06:05.100 Very much.

00:06:05.580 What did you notice when you got back?

00:06:08.900 Well, I noticed this whole new thing called wokeness and cancel culture, which I wasn't aware

00:06:14.020 of before I left.

00:06:16.520 I noticed the intolerance of the far left of the Democrat party.

00:06:21.940 I noticed that my daughters, my little girls grew up and became vegans.

00:06:26.360 Not that they're, you know, far left, but that was weird.

00:06:29.020 Like, I'm sorry.

00:06:32.560 I think that's it.

00:06:33.880 I mean, there's nothing, you know, I'm not against, you know, whatever.

00:06:35.960 Eat whatever you want or whatever you, you know, don't eat what you don't want to eat.

00:06:38.600 On the other hand, that's like the fear of every father that your girls are going to become vegans

00:06:43.380 because it feels like it represents something else.

00:06:45.460 But it has nothing to do with diet.

00:06:46.700 It's that they, you know, they feel like it's wrong to, you know, eat meat to, you know, kill an animal.

00:06:52.740 And it's a very sweet, kind thing on their point of view.

00:06:54.800 Oh, it is.

00:06:55.400 Oh, I agree.

00:06:57.920 And then, you know, I came home to a, you know, working class neighborhood in Chicago.

00:07:01.460 I mean, we live in a nice little neighborhood, but where the local Democrat party began to turn socialist.

00:07:07.240 And, you know, the local city council people, we call them aldermen in Chicago.

00:07:14.200 I think in 2019, my sister-in-law was the alderman in our ward.

00:07:20.760 She had inherited that seat from her father, had been there for a long, long time.

00:07:24.020 And she got beat by a socialist, lost by 12 votes, but a socialist.

00:07:27.960 That was like shocking to me.

00:07:29.160 And then some of the other longstanding members of the city council were defeated by socialists.

00:07:33.660 And so suddenly that was this new realization that the Democrat party at the grassroots level was radicalized.

00:07:40.060 Were they good at governing the socialists?

00:07:41.900 No, they're terrible at governing.

00:07:42.980 And now we're going to get a major property tax increase in Chicago.

00:07:45.920 The mayor, Brandon Johnson, just announced that.

00:07:48.240 And as I read that this morning, I was thinking, driving here, geez, I wonder if we're going to, we have any risk of getting carjacked up here in Bethel, Maine, right?

00:07:57.600 Because in Chicago, you got to think about those things.

00:07:59.700 It's just funny.

00:08:00.320 I mean, it's, you know, people have all these ideologies and I'm a this or I'm a that, I believe.

00:08:04.840 You know, here's my, my worldview.

00:08:06.900 But I don't know, on some level, it's kind of about, do you make the town, the state, the country better to live in or not?

00:08:13.780 And you're saying that the people who took over Chicago did not improve life.

00:08:17.680 No, they've made it more unsafe.

00:08:19.660 They're unwilling to have any kind of open-minded discussion about the fact that the schools have been failing for generations. 0.95

00:08:26.080 And most of the kids that are suffering are the black kids. 0.96

00:08:28.860 Yeah, for sure. 0.98

00:08:29.320 You know, they talked a big game about being on the side of the black people.

00:08:31.920 But they won't even give a black mother a choice or a chance to maybe try another school because the public schools are so locked in to what the teachers unions want. 0.83

00:08:39.440 And I'm not here to say that I wasn't exactly, you know, part of that Democrat party and the unions and the teachers unions.

00:08:45.640 Well, you were part of it.

00:08:46.400 That's why it's so interesting.

00:08:47.720 Yeah.

00:08:48.100 Well, yeah, you're a product of it.

00:08:49.540 You're the governor of the state, right?

00:08:50.760 And you came out of that world.

00:08:52.000 I did.

00:08:52.360 So, well, that's why it's worth asking you about this because you've seen, you've seen the whole scope of it.

00:08:56.360 That's right.

00:08:56.760 From the daily years to present.

00:08:58.140 That's right.

00:08:59.080 And, you know, the Democrat party that I was in, the party of the second mayor daily, the party of the first mayor daily, practical, you know, practical governance.

00:09:08.280 Just make people's lives better.

00:09:10.140 It's the best snow plowing in the United States.

00:09:12.080 That's it.

00:09:12.480 When it snowed, Chicago got plowed before the suburbs.

00:09:14.920 It was, I saw it.

00:09:15.680 It was amazing.

00:09:16.660 Yes, that's right.

00:09:17.720 And not too stuck on ideology, but there were certain values that were fundamental to traditional Democrats.

00:09:25.200 What were they?

00:09:26.020 Love of country or faith, family, love of country.

00:09:30.340 And this Democrat party is none of those three.

00:09:34.320 And there is an assault on faith in America by these Democrats, by the more radical Democrats.

00:09:39.760 And it's something that has grown over the last couple of decades, something I saw when I was a Democratic member of Congress.

00:09:46.180 I hope I don't turn your listeners off, but I supported Pelosi to be the Democrat leader when I was there.

00:09:50.600 Or I saw even the beginnings of that when they were trying to take God out of the, you know, the, in God we trust her.

00:09:58.060 Well, she's a Catholic girl from Baltimore, son of the mayor.

00:10:00.620 Yeah.

00:10:00.840 She was very, I mean, she was the son of Baltimore's mayor daily, like an old school machine Democrat. 0.60

00:10:06.600 Right.

00:10:07.280 That's right.

00:10:08.500 But she changed.

00:10:09.760 Because she's a practical politician. 0.99

00:10:11.720 And so she's gravitated towards that energy in the Democrat party today, which is that far left socialist Democrat party that wants to rechange America.

00:10:20.020 And you say this, and I'll repeat what you say, and that is to force us and make us to try to believe things we know they're just not true.

00:10:27.540 Yes.

00:10:27.900 Right.

00:10:28.560 And that's this dictatorial Democrat party.

00:10:30.800 But you saw a hostility to Christianity when you were there.

00:10:34.360 I did.

00:10:35.460 Yeah.

00:10:35.840 In the late 90s, I did.

00:10:37.060 But, you know, it'd be, once in a while, there'd be congressional resolutions to take God out of the chamber, the House chamber.

00:10:44.460 And then there was the judge in Alabama, Roy Moore.

00:10:46.880 Yeah.

00:10:47.080 I'm proud to say that back in the late 90s, as a Democrat congressman from the city of Chicago, I supported that judge.

00:10:53.360 Why can't he put the Ten Commandments up there in his courthouse?

00:10:56.480 What's wrong with the Ten Commandments?

00:10:57.500 That's the foundation of our laws.

00:10:59.200 It's the foundation of our values.

00:11:01.200 So I supported him.

00:11:01.560 That's literally true.

00:11:02.200 It is the foundation of our laws.

00:11:02.840 It sure is.

00:11:03.640 Yeah.

00:11:04.760 Yeah.

00:11:04.980 So why were people so hysterical about Judge Roy Moore?

00:11:08.280 I mean, they destroyed Judge Roy Moore.

00:11:10.040 Yeah.

00:11:10.460 As a person.

00:11:11.520 I saw that from afar.

00:11:13.080 Yeah.

00:11:13.340 From the Deep Dark Valley.

00:11:14.120 I watched all that.

00:11:16.940 Because there's a, you know, there's an element in America and it's found a home of the Democrat Party that's all about science and absolutely nothing about religion.

00:11:26.980 I think the part of the coalition is the Democrat Party and I've been supportive of LGBTQ issues, but I think they feel threatened by Judeo-Christian values.

00:11:37.460 And so they've become, in many respects, antagonistic to those traditional values and these are some of the practical considerations that are part of why a lot of these Democrats have left the traditional Democrat, you know, working person's view of God and have become more apt to embrace science.

00:11:56.580 And, you know, one of the, I'm not saying there's any advantages to be in prison for a long time.

00:12:01.840 Yeah. 0.86

00:12:02.080 But when you got all that time and you got to kill it, you either try to use it constructively or it'll kill you. 0.97

00:12:08.400 Yes.

00:12:08.780 And it's a good place to catch up on your reading.

00:12:11.200 Yeah.

00:12:11.640 And I used to read a lot of the sermons from Martin Luther King and one of his sermons was really powerful and he talked about what science can do, the good things, but it's God that provides the conscience to guide science.

00:12:24.880 Yes.

00:12:25.140 And, you know, science creates the medicines that cure people, which is great, also created the nuclear weapons that can destroy the world.

00:12:31.840 What is it that's going to guide that?

00:12:33.960 Are we going to trust in people?

00:12:35.520 I know how people can be.

00:12:37.180 I know how wicked they can be.

00:12:38.380 The best and brightest can be corrupt because I know what they did to me and to my family.

00:12:41.800 It was shocking to me that U.S. attorneys could be so dishonest and corrupt and that the judge would be in on it.

00:12:47.100 Just go along with it.

00:12:48.920 And so my faith's not in people.

00:12:51.080 So you were shocked.

00:12:52.020 I mean, obviously your distress had happened to you, but you were shocked that it happens?

00:12:56.320 Yes.

00:12:56.800 I thought they were the good.

00:12:57.980 I was a Cook County prosecutor when I started out in a low level.

00:13:01.720 Yeah.

00:13:02.440 Daily, the second mayor of Daily at the time was the elected Cook County State's attorney and he was my boss.

00:13:07.120 So he's way up high and I'm a traffic court, right?

00:13:09.640 Just starting out.

00:13:10.280 There were like 800 of us assistants, big, you know, big office.

00:13:13.800 I ended up in the misdemeanor branch courts and then I went into private practice.

00:13:17.000 So I never met him when I worked for him.

00:13:18.580 It was only until I became an elected official and then in 10 short years I became the governor.

00:13:23.820 He was the mayor.

00:13:24.460 He still thought I worked for him, by the way.

00:13:26.200 I'm back.

00:13:26.860 Yeah.

00:13:28.880 That's a fraught relationship always between Chicago mayor and Illinois governor anyway, isn't it?

00:13:34.660 Yeah, I think so.

00:13:35.440 But I think that he's practical and, you know, these Democrats, you know, have programs and stuff that they want to pay for and, you know, bloated budgets are not a priority.

00:13:46.640 And even the old school Democrats, that's not a priority.

00:13:49.340 It's, you know, jobs and, you know, opportunities for people who've helped and that kind of thing.

00:13:53.460 But the point I wanted to make about Daley was when I worked in that state's attorney's office, you know, I learned a lot about how, you know, prosecutors operated and they were all right, mostly good.

00:14:05.980 But I imagine that the federal U.S. attorneys who went to the better schools, you know, I could never have a chance to be one of them, right?

00:14:14.320 Grades, I was a gentleman C scholar in law school, that these people had to be really smart, really bright, and they had to be super honest compared to the local Democratic prosecutors.

00:14:23.880 Many of whom, you know, had some political backing to get their jobs.

00:14:28.300 And I discovered they are, in my case anyway, and I don't want to speak generally about everybody, but they are so corrupt.

00:14:35.100 You can't get a fair trial.

00:14:36.520 Well, look at Andrew Weissman, you know, at the very top was a truly evil man.

00:14:40.620 Evil.

00:14:41.380 And, you know, Weissman, I'm sure, was smart, clever anyway, and certainly well credentialed and has almost unchecked power.

00:14:49.300 I mean, it's crazy that that exists.

00:14:50.920 So, he destroyed Arthur Anderson with fake law.

00:14:54.140 That's what they did to me, fake law.

00:14:55.340 They just make it up.

00:14:56.220 They just move lines to get the convictions.

00:14:58.620 The Supreme Court took the case, and Weissman's standard that used to destroy Arthur Anderson and cost all those people jobs, nine to nothing, the Supreme Court ruled.

00:15:06.540 He was wrong.

00:15:07.600 That wasn't the law.

00:15:09.180 Oh, yeah.

00:15:09.600 Yeah, so he destroyed the—and what does he get for that?

00:15:11.440 He gets rewarded by being some big commentator on CNN, and people listen to this guy like he's honest. 0.94

00:15:18.120 It's disgusting. 0.99

00:15:19.080 It is disgusting. 0.79

00:15:19.700 So, what—not to get sidetracked, but what is the Daley fam?

00:15:22.920 I think Rich Daley's still alive, right?

00:15:24.140 He is, yes.

00:15:24.800 What do they think of the modern Democratic Party, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden?

00:15:28.600 Like, what do they think of that?

00:15:29.780 So, Bill Daley—

00:15:30.800 Yeah, yeah, of course.

00:15:31.740 —ran for mayor of Chicago while I was in prison.

00:15:33.940 Yeah. 0.96

00:15:34.180 And shockingly got his ass kicked in the new Chicago, and that's when Lori Lightfoot was elected. 1.00

00:15:39.900 Yeah. 0.99

00:15:40.240 The new kind of mayor in Chicago, right?

00:15:42.420 She was a big failure, and she got defeated soundly, but the fact that the Daley could lose in Chicago was another reminder that, boy, times have changed.

00:15:50.640 It's a different population in Chicago.

00:15:52.020 Very different demographic now.

00:15:53.640 The city that used to be, you know, diverse racially, you know, very strong, still, you know, black population.

00:16:00.360 Yeah.

00:16:00.460 Still in the poor, bad, rough neighborhoods, a big Latino population, but it was a city of white working class, white ethnics. 1.00

00:16:08.260 Yeah, central, eastern European people.

00:16:10.420 That's right.

00:16:10.980 Large Polish population.

00:16:12.740 Slavs.

00:16:13.460 That's right.

00:16:15.060 That element is gone now.

00:16:17.140 You know, they—two, three generations, they've worked hard to build better lives for themselves.

00:16:21.700 They've taken advantage, like our friend Philip over here.

00:16:23.780 Yeah.

00:16:24.020 Working hard to make the American dream.

00:16:25.700 They've moved upward, out of the city, and into, you know, more affluent suburbs.

00:16:30.600 But they were the basis of the city.

00:16:32.020 They sure were, and they've been replaced by these young, you know, young, new generation, not very politically aware, you know, probably driven by the social issues more than anything else.

00:16:45.300 You know, a woman's right to choose those kinds of issues. 1.00

00:16:48.080 Right.

00:16:48.360 So they've been replaced by affluent, white, inherited money kids.

00:16:53.220 That's right.

00:16:53.780 And illegal aliens. 0.51

00:16:55.020 That's—

00:16:55.420 Generally speaking, that's exactly right.

00:16:57.200 Right.

00:16:57.460 So that's always the model. 0.99

00:16:59.000 It's rich, white women and illegal aliens working in tandem to destroy civilization. 1.00

00:17:04.560 It is in cities across the country. 0.97

00:17:07.100 That is the model.

00:17:09.120 The unhappiest people and the most, you know, the people with the least power who just can be used as cannon fodder for the program of the unhappiest people.

00:17:18.720 So, but do you know what the dailies think of this?

00:17:21.060 Like watching their city become a joke?

00:17:22.520 Well, look, yeah, I know that—I know Rich Daley better than Bill Daley.

00:17:27.940 I know them both.

00:17:28.900 And then there's John Daley, the younger one, and the father.

00:17:32.340 I mean, this is not their Democratic Party.

00:17:35.120 No.

00:17:35.460 And Mayor Daley, who's in his early 80s now, he hosts a Christmas party every year, and I get invited.

00:17:41.380 I get to see him, and he's had a couple of strokes, and then he hosts a St. Patrick's Day party, as you can imagine.

00:17:45.900 Of course he does.

00:17:46.200 But I think he's quietly going to vote for Trump.

00:17:50.400 Oh, I'm sure.

00:17:51.460 Yeah.

00:17:51.700 And Bill Daley, maybe not, because he's sort of, you know, he was more like—Bill Daley didn't win elected office.

00:17:56.700 He was more of an appointed guy, you know?

00:17:58.220 Yeah, he worked for Bill Clinton.

00:17:59.420 That's right.

00:17:59.860 And he was still—

00:18:00.760 That's right.

00:18:01.440 And, well, I don't want to demean him, but he doesn't have the same kind of testicular virility you got to have to be in the arena and be good at it.

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00:18:11.200 That's right.

00:18:11.480 As the current mayor is proving.

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00:21:12.420 The Greeks invented philosophy, so if you like philosophy, you're Greek.

00:21:16.900 If you've ever taken a philosophy class, you're Greek.

00:21:19.680 If you've ever skipped a philosophy class, then failed that philosophy class,

00:21:23.960 know a guy named Phil, or even know a guy who knows a guy named Phil, that's good enough.

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00:21:41.500 Hashtag Gimme Jimmy.

00:21:42.600 So what role did Obama play?

00:21:48.880 What did, I mean, I think most people thought Obama was like a sign that America was getting

00:21:53.620 healthier healing from, you know, past trauma and all that.

00:21:58.000 He was a sign of hope.

00:21:59.840 And then it just got super evil.

00:22:02.480 But when did you realize that Obama was not what he seemed to be?

00:22:06.460 And what role did he play in the disaster in your life?

00:22:10.820 He started the whole thing.

00:22:12.540 You know, my story, the book that I'm writing is a story that started with him on election night.

00:22:17.020 In 2008, it was magical, you know.

00:22:19.720 First black person, half black.

00:22:22.520 Yeah.

00:22:22.800 Mom from Kansas, dad from Kenya.

00:22:24.980 Elected president.

00:22:25.720 I've known him since 1995.

00:22:27.160 We both came up together in politics, had good relationships.

00:22:29.480 I was introduced to him by a guy by the name of Tony Bresco.

00:22:33.740 I think that name is familiar to you.

00:22:35.520 Who's not nearly what the guy who's been portrayed.

00:22:38.580 I mean, businessman, very practical, extremely generous to Obama and good to Obama, helpful

00:22:44.200 to both of us raising money and things like that.

00:22:46.960 And when I was elected governor, he would come to me with requests from Obama.

00:22:50.560 And, you know, a lot of it were appointments to high positions in state government.

00:22:54.560 I was two years ahead of Obama in terms of going to the next level because I was the first

00:22:58.280 Democrat governor elected in Illinois in 2002 and with this long and hard to pronounce last

00:23:03.280 name, which was kind of cutting edge at the time because for the most part, Illinois was

00:23:06.960 electing guys with Anglo names or Irish names.

00:23:10.020 You know, we had Thompson and we had Edgar and we had Ryan before me.

00:23:12.860 All those guys went to prison.

00:23:14.420 Well, Ryan did.

00:23:15.200 Yeah.

00:23:15.320 Thompson put Governor Kerner in prison.

00:23:17.760 That's another story.

00:23:19.000 But, and then I won.

00:23:22.280 It's like being a first lieutenant in Vietnam.

00:23:24.000 The odds are bad.

00:23:25.300 Right.

00:23:25.500 Exactly.

00:23:26.060 Right.

00:23:26.400 The death rate.

00:23:27.120 But I think in some respects, I'm, you know, I should apologize to the American people because

00:23:31.860 I might have had something to do with Obama's success because I think he saw that if I won

00:23:35.440 and I could win downstate in the rural areas and, you know, deep Southern Illinois, which

00:23:40.360 is the American South, a guy like me from Chicago, he could do it.

00:23:44.300 And with a name you can't say his name, he could do it.

00:23:47.640 And two years later he did.

00:23:48.760 And he got the opportunity to give that speech in Boston, which was his William Jennings

00:23:52.360 Bryant moment, right?

00:23:53.480 Oh, yeah.

00:23:54.040 Electrified the crowd with that speech.

00:23:55.320 I was there.

00:23:55.800 Sure.

00:23:56.160 Yeah.

00:23:56.520 So was I.

00:23:57.660 I turned to Bobby Rush, the congressman, former Black Panther.

00:24:00.040 I said, Bobby, just think about that.

00:24:01.680 As soon as you got done with that speech, you're the only guy who's ever beaten that guy in

00:24:04.340 an election because Obama challenged him in 1998.

00:24:07.820 But no, I thought Obama was all right, you know, kind of cold and impersonal, but okay.

00:24:14.760 And I was happy to be helpful.

00:24:16.620 But he's one of the more selfish people in politics on a one-on-one level.

00:24:20.080 And he's not pure like the driven snow in the sense of his ethics or morality.

00:24:24.640 And, you know, Tony Resko is the guy who bought this lot next to Obama's home.

00:24:28.700 And one of the things I write about in my book is that when I was governor first, and then Barack won in 2004, I was asked to make a phone call on behalf of Michelle Obama.

00:24:39.760 Because as soon as he won the Senate race, she wanted a job either at Northwestern University or the University of Chicago hospitals for $200,000 to $300,000 a year, the wife of the new senator. 1.00

00:24:50.960 And I was asked, would you call?

00:24:52.340 Was she specific about how much she wanted?

00:24:54.340 Yeah.

00:24:55.380 She was specific about salary?

00:24:56.960 Yeah.

00:24:57.560 And I think Northwestern, we should double check this, but my recollection is good.

00:25:04.680 I think Northwestern was willing to pay $200,000 to hire her.

00:25:08.240 This is the wife of the new U.S. senator and federal money for, you know, Medicaid and Medicare, things like that. 1.00

00:25:14.560 And then they got a better offer at the University of Chicago, which is in Hyde Park, where they're from, $300,000.

00:25:21.980 And she ended up working there. 0.87

00:25:23.800 And Hyde called to help because, you know, you help people in politics and the guy's wife wants a job, I'll make a phone call.

00:25:30.760 She didn't get it because of me, but it didn't hurt to have the governor call.

00:25:34.880 But the second Obama gets elected, Michelle says, I want a job at one of two hospitals for between $200,000 and $300,000.

00:25:41.880 That's correct.

00:25:42.680 Yeah.

00:25:42.960 And she ended up working at the University of Chicago Hospital, almost certain $300,000 a year.

00:25:48.060 And so Resco was really helpful, really helpful to Obama.

00:25:51.240 And so when the investigations against me heated up, it had to do with fundraising, and Tony was part of that.

00:26:01.080 And I got to say this, Tony suffered.

00:26:02.540 He spent eight years in prison.

00:26:04.420 I don't know whether those things that they said he did were even legal based on what they did to me.

00:26:08.520 I'm not so sure they were illegal.

00:26:11.020 It had nothing to do with my administration.

00:26:12.580 They were business matters.

00:26:13.460 But Obama just ran from him, did nothing to help him, and, you know, pretends like he never knew him.

00:26:22.600 And yet the moment he became senator, she gets that $300,000 a year job with a little help, tiny little bit of help from me with a phone call. 0.99

00:26:29.720 And then they buy this mansion in the Kenwood neighborhood, which is Hyde Park, Chicago.

00:26:35.540 Beautiful old mansions where the family of Leopold and Loeb, they lived, right?

00:26:40.040 So a lot of sickos in that neighborhood going back 100 years.

00:26:45.100 Well, those guys, those two boys were.

00:26:47.760 Yeah, they were.

00:26:49.060 I mean, it's a bashing of, you know, liberal America there.

00:26:51.380 Dickie Loeb.

00:26:53.060 So what happened was the Obamas bought this mansion.

00:26:56.760 Now he's the new senator.

00:26:57.760 The first thing they do is buy a mansion.

00:26:58.960 I guess he felt like I was getting a mansion because I was the governor.

00:27:01.640 It wasn't mine, but I got the use of a 50,000 square foot governor's mansion.

00:27:04.760 I guess they wanted their own.

00:27:06.180 So they could only afford $750,000.

00:27:08.860 So they purchased the lot with the house on it, the mansion on it, but they couldn't afford the adjoining lot.

00:27:17.460 So they asked Resco to buy it for him.

00:27:20.320 And he did.

00:27:21.720 And my understanding of the federal investigations with me were also connected to Obama, that these guys were apparently looking into that and some other things.

00:27:31.940 Along the way, the dynamic changed and Obama started moving up in the presidential race.

00:27:38.200 And here again, it's something I'd like to take back, but I was the first governor in America to endorse him for president.

00:27:45.240 We had a personal relationship from Illinois and he was running against Hillary.

00:27:48.460 So it wasn't hard.

00:27:49.620 Yeah.

00:27:49.700 But what ultimately happened was when he started rising, Axelrod, David, who used to work for me and then went on to Obama, I knew what they were doing.

00:28:04.500 They were, for political reasons, they were influencing the media to pretty much lay Tony me up more than Obama.

00:28:11.700 I was more Tony'd up and Tony was a supporter and a friend and he was, and I liked Tony in spite of everything that's happened to him.

00:28:19.580 But Obama knew him and loved him longer.

00:28:22.100 And Tony had done more for Obama over the years than he did for me.

00:28:25.620 And ultimately politically and in the media, the media just conveniently ignored Resco's relationship to Obama.

00:28:34.180 They'd give it very little coverage.

00:28:36.040 And it was all about me and Tony.

00:28:37.900 So Axelrod worked for you.

00:28:39.440 He did when I was a congressman, when I ran for congressman.

00:28:41.560 What's he like?

00:28:42.900 He's very smart.

00:28:43.980 You know, I like him a lot.

00:28:45.220 His son was an intern for me.

00:28:46.580 His son, Michael, he's a great kid.

00:28:48.020 He's grown up now.

00:28:49.900 No, I like David a lot, but he's a very practical guy and he's very ambitious politically.

00:28:53.780 And, you know, it's a rough and tumble business.

00:28:55.920 And, you know, when his interests collide with yours, you know.

00:28:59.480 His one out.

00:29:00.620 He will exercise what's in his interests.

00:29:03.140 Yeah.

00:29:03.440 And I think a lot of the political consultants are that way.

00:29:06.240 He denies saying this, but he did.

00:29:09.840 When Kerry had been beaten by Bush in 2004, and the Democrats all felt like Kerry was going to win.

00:29:17.620 In fact, Kerry was getting some massage in Boston that night, election night.

00:29:21.300 And what's the guy's name?

00:29:22.920 He used to write great speeches for Ted Kennedy.

00:29:25.320 Bob Shrum.

00:29:26.040 Shrum.

00:29:26.600 Shrum watched it and said, walked in and told him something like, I'd hear this stuff from the Democrat world, you know.

00:29:32.200 Let me be the first one to congratulate you, Mr. President, right?

00:29:35.840 Remember that?

00:29:36.320 And then the next morning it was finally concluded that Bush won Ohio, right?

00:29:39.540 I knew them all very well.

00:29:42.680 And Shrum, you know, had good qualities.

00:29:45.400 You're smart, but what a toady.

00:29:47.340 What a professional fellator of politicians. 1.00

00:29:51.200 It's just really disgusting. 0.94

00:29:52.680 So that was a Tuesday, right?

00:29:53.940 And, of course, Wednesday I get a phone call at about six in the evening.

00:29:56.580 I'm at home.

00:29:57.940 Election's over.

00:29:59.100 David Axelrod.

00:30:00.040 Now, he denies this, but it happened.

00:30:01.720 And he said, you know, the Democrats, Hillary's the frontrunner in 2008, but too liberal, too disliked.

00:30:11.540 Kerry should have won.

00:30:12.500 He couldn't.

00:30:13.680 We're looking for a new face.

00:30:15.480 Somebody from the heartland of America, that's what he called it.

00:30:18.740 You need to have an open mind about thinking about running for president and challenging Hillary in 2008.

00:30:24.080 Now, at that time he had Obama.

00:30:25.640 Obama was his candidate for the Senate.

00:30:27.220 He had been a consultant.

00:30:28.480 Obama won, and he had that great speech.

00:30:32.340 But I think David wasn't quite sure that maybe America was ready to elect a black person.

00:30:37.460 So he's in the business of being a consultant.

00:30:39.220 He wanted to make sure he has a horse in the race because the Clintons already have their people.

00:30:43.640 He had Edwards in 2004.

00:30:46.440 Didn't go well.

00:30:47.340 Yeah.

00:30:47.800 So he's looking for candidates for president.

00:30:49.580 So Vilsack, remember that name?

00:30:51.040 Very well.

00:30:52.120 Me in Illinois and Obama, the three of us.

00:30:54.480 He was probably positioning himself to see which one of us might have the better chance.

00:31:00.420 And he picked the right horse eventually because Obama was the right one.

00:31:03.200 And, of course, Obama's success and my calamity parallel, right?

00:31:08.040 And so you ask me, this is a long answer to your question about 55 minutes ago, what did Obama have to do with my problems?

00:31:16.420 It was election night, we're there, and a labor boss by the name of Tom Balinoff, Service Employees Union, big supporter of both of us, came up to me.

00:31:25.780 Grant Park in Chicago, beautiful weather, magical, historic night.

00:31:30.040 And he said, Barack called me last night.

00:31:33.020 He wanted me to talk to you about Valerie Jarrett.

00:31:34.980 He'd like her, very close friend to Michelle Obama, by the way.

00:31:38.040 He'd like you to appoint her to the United States Senate because the governor has to appoint the senator. 1.00

00:31:41.580 And he wanted me to ask you what you would want.

00:31:46.780 Can I call you and come and see you and make an appointment?

00:31:49.300 I said, of course, call me tomorrow.

00:31:50.880 And we'll set something up this week.

00:31:52.980 That's how it started.

00:31:54.060 And then the next day, I got done running.

00:31:56.140 I went out and ran like eight miles that day, seven miles.

00:31:59.040 I'm just loosening up.

00:32:00.240 I'm laying on my little family room floor, stretching.

00:32:03.400 I'm back and I'm talking to one of my aides.

00:32:05.420 And I said, Balinoff called.

00:32:06.800 Apparently, Obama sent him to me.

00:32:09.300 Obama sent him to me.

00:32:10.120 He wants to make a deal on the Senate seat.

00:32:12.460 What should we do?

00:32:13.480 What should we think about getting?

00:32:15.380 Probably legal stuff, not, you know, give me cash or anything, which would be illegal.

00:32:19.400 Political horse trading, which eventually is what the Supreme Court, I mean, the appellate

00:32:22.700 court said it was.

00:32:24.440 And then I say, and, you know, unless I do something, you know, significant, this will

00:32:29.080 be in my obituary. 1.00

00:32:30.000 I said, so-and-so had suggested that we just kiss his ass and give him whoever he wants. 1.00

00:32:37.080 But that seems like that would be political malpractice. 1.00

00:32:39.400 And we have a golden opportunity.

00:32:40.700 We have a real opportunity here to, you know, do something meaningful.

00:32:43.860 And then I said, I know, this is effing golden.

00:32:48.400 I'm not giving enough for nothing, right?

00:32:50.880 I'm known for that.

00:32:52.020 And you didn't realize this was being taped.

00:32:53.720 I didn't realize it.

00:32:54.480 But let me say something to your listeners.

00:32:56.300 When you're in Chicago politics and the ethics in that place and the way they do business

00:33:00.480 and the way the feds not wrongly necessarily try to set people up to see whether or not

00:33:05.260 they're, they'll take a temptation.

00:33:07.120 They send people in, they give you, offer you cash and stuff like that. 0.99

00:33:10.160 And you'd be an idiot if you don't think they may be listening. 0.93

00:33:14.340 I, it wasn't, I had been under federal investigation for five years. 0.99

00:33:17.200 I knew it because of the Resco stuff and some other stuff, people who were supporters of mine

00:33:21.200 and Obama.

00:33:22.580 I mean, I thought it's all very possible and everything I'm talking about doing is legal.

00:33:26.540 And I was super careful because I was under such intense federal investigation at that time

00:33:30.980 to make sure that anything I talked about doing, I checked with my governor's lawyer and

00:33:35.120 lawyers.

00:33:35.920 And my lawyer was on the, on average, on all these FBI tapes, they taped my calls.

00:33:40.360 To this day, 98% of those tapes are covered up under a court seal.

00:33:44.020 The judge would not allow us to talk about how my lawyer was on those calls three times

00:33:47.940 a day.

00:33:48.340 Cause at that point, you know, now you know, they're coming.

00:33:51.760 You want to be absolutely careful that whatever you do on the Senate seat is legal, right?

00:33:57.020 And so you, you're throwing out all kinds of ideas cause you do have this effing golden

00:34:00.560 opportunity.

00:34:01.140 We talked about Oprah for a couple of days, all these crazy ideas and everybody wanted it.

00:34:06.800 Everybody wanted me to appoint them, as you can imagine.

00:34:10.660 And, you know, and through third parties or suggesting deals that were political, they

00:34:13.940 weren't illegal.

00:34:15.120 Some had suggested money and campaign funds, which would have been illegal.

00:34:19.880 And, um, but I would talk to my lawyer, you know, three times a day and, and he was advising

00:34:25.680 me.

00:34:25.980 In fact, one call, I say something like, you know, we're trying, we're discussing a creative

00:34:32.220 way to create a nonprofit political action committee to help support the advancement

00:34:38.620 of access to healthcare, which was a big issue for me when I was governor.

00:34:42.260 And Obama was talking about doing Obamacare and all this at the federal level.

00:34:45.600 And some of the people that had put our healthcare plans together in Illinois went on to work

00:34:49.480 for Obama.

00:34:50.700 And so the question was whether or not there was something that we could do to be helpful

00:34:54.780 to push it further in Illinois and do something.

00:34:57.780 And can we put together a 501c3 or 501c4?

00:35:01.680 Obama gets some of these big, rich Democrats who give money to him to put it in our thing.

00:35:06.420 And can we, uh, you know, perhaps make the deal on the Senate seat for something like this.

00:35:11.540 And so I say to the lawyer and to one of my aides, I say, I mean, how do you do a deal

00:35:16.480 like that?

00:35:16.980 I mean, it's gotta be legal.

00:35:19.640 Obviously I'm on the tape saying that a couple of years go by, I'm at my second trial.

00:35:25.100 Cause they failed to convict me on their corrupt charges, the first trial.

00:35:28.860 And they're going to play that tape against me.

00:35:31.200 And I'd be actually charged one of my, the crimes, it was that phone call.

00:35:36.180 How do you do a deal like that?

00:35:37.420 I mean, it's gotta be legal.

00:35:38.420 Obviously I'm asking, I don't even know if you could do it.

00:35:40.240 I'm just thinking out loud.

00:35:42.180 And they criminalized it, but surely I'm going to get acquitted on this.

00:35:46.600 But the jury instruction was custom tailored to fit these conversations to tell the jury

00:35:51.980 that those things were criminal and they can commit to convict anybody if they do that.

00:35:56.940 If they decide, for example, that this conversation you and I are having and they, you know, they

00:36:01.920 charge us and then they got to prove it before a jury and they got to judge us willing to do

00:36:05.560 anything they want them to do.

00:36:06.920 All they got to do is just write up a jury instruction, 12 laymen, average, everyday, ordinary people

00:36:12.000 who aren't lawyers, aren't in politics, just tell them this is against the law and they'll

00:36:17.100 make the right decision.

00:36:18.100 They'll convict you of this conversation because they're told by the judge and the prosecutors

00:36:21.340 it's against the law.

00:36:22.580 So big picture, why do you think they did this to you?

00:36:25.360 The Democratic establishment did this to you?

00:36:28.240 Well, they were Bush prosecutors that started it.

00:36:31.080 Here's what I think happened.

00:36:32.300 Fitzgerald.

00:36:33.160 That's right. 1.00

00:36:33.800 That guy's so dirty and rotten and corrupt. 1.00

00:36:35.980 I've noticed. 1.00

00:36:36.760 Yeah.

00:36:39.620 Here's what happened.

00:36:40.340 So they came at six o'clock in the morning and arrested a sitting governor.

00:36:44.060 I mean, I was Roger Stone years before Roger Stone, right?

00:36:48.200 My little girls are sleeping at, you know, ready, going to get up shortly for school.

00:36:53.380 My little one at the time was five and she was in bed with us and I got up at six.

00:37:00.380 I was going to actually go run that was winter.

00:37:01.780 I was going to go run.

00:37:02.380 I had my running clothes laid out, phone rang.

00:37:04.480 And I thought it was a friend of mine.

00:37:06.580 The guy says, we have a warrant for your arrest and the agent so-and-so.

00:37:10.760 And I had state police security all the time as the governor.

00:37:14.220 And I thought it was a friend of mine.

00:37:16.020 I say this a lot because he's like that way.

00:37:17.900 And I really did.

00:37:18.480 I said, come on, State Senator Jimmy DeLeo.

00:37:20.680 And I said, come on, Jimmy, stop effing around six o'clock in the morning.

00:37:24.320 But it wasn't him.

00:37:25.100 It was really the FBI with a warrant.

00:37:29.220 I think they got me, handcuffed me, drove me to their facility.

00:37:34.900 By four hours later, by 10 o'clock, they were a good cop.

00:37:37.760 And they had me in and you're not a bad guy.

00:37:39.800 We listened to all your tapes.

00:37:40.600 You're just a product of Chicago politics.

00:37:42.780 They wanted me to cooperate.

00:37:44.440 I believed my interpretation was they wanted me to talk about Obama.

00:37:47.780 I don't think they were ever going to go after Obama at that point.

00:37:50.160 First black president.

00:37:51.580 But I think they wanted to see whether or not I would, here's a prison term, snitch on the president-elect.

00:37:56.900 And then go back to him and say that.

00:37:59.000 They probably told him that anyway because they lie.

00:38:01.700 In any event, I said, I was never involved in any wrongdoing with him.

00:38:04.820 I don't know whether he's involved in anything of that sort.

00:38:08.560 I can tell you I'm not.

00:38:09.980 And I got nothing to talk about.

00:38:11.260 Whatever I discussed was politics.

00:38:13.620 And then they got it.

00:38:15.500 They changed their attitude.

00:38:16.540 They shipped me to another facility, the court building, and put me in a small little cell.

00:38:20.440 And they had me next to this really angry guy all caught up on PCP, you know, screaming and MF.

00:38:26.600 And he had no clue that he was right next to the governor.

00:38:28.560 Or, you know, I'm doing push-ups in there because I'm thinking this is really a bad day.

00:38:34.180 And this is going to be really bad.

00:38:37.140 But maybe at some point I want to be able to say that while I was in the heat of the moment, I still was strong enough to do some push-ups in my cell.

00:38:44.980 So I did push-ups in there.

00:38:46.120 So I can say that I did it, right?

00:38:49.180 Plus, if you're going to join a gang, you need to be buff.

00:38:51.380 Yeah, there's some truth to that.

00:38:52.800 Yeah.

00:38:53.580 Anyway, so I think – and then they went to Obama the next day.

00:38:56.160 And they did – they interviewed him.

00:38:57.580 They call him 302s, FBI 302s.

00:39:00.640 Every criminal defendant is entitled under the Constitution to have evidence that could exonerate him or her.

00:39:07.440 And Obama's 302s are relevant – directly relevant to my case.

00:39:12.080 To this day, they won't give it to us, what Obama said.

00:39:15.120 And he publicly contradicted what the labor boss, Balinov, had said that he had come to me the night before because it all started that way.

00:39:21.600 And Balinov had testified under oath twice in two trials that he said that Obama had called him and sent him over to me.

00:39:28.200 And, you know, it was about talking about a political deal.

00:39:31.160 And Obama publicly said no.

00:39:33.300 What he said on those FBI 302s might contradict that.

00:39:37.440 I don't know.

00:39:38.640 If you lie to the FBI, you know, it's a crime.

00:39:41.880 Um, so I think what happened was – because it's unusual, and you know this – the new president doesn't keep the U.S. attorney from the previous president, especially if it's the other party.

00:39:52.580 Of course.

00:39:53.480 But suddenly now, they made a deal with Obama.

00:39:55.760 We'll leave you alone.

00:39:57.660 You keep us here until we get him.

00:40:00.720 And it wasn't until they got me at the second trial years later that they all went into private practice and became partners at big firms making millions of dollars.

00:40:07.360 One lady, one of them became a judge, but Fitzgerald's a partner in a big law firm.

00:40:11.220 The lead prosecutor, partner in a big law firm.

00:40:15.000 And the moment that they got their convictions against me in the second trial, that's where they went.

00:40:20.020 And I think the reason Obama did nothing to be helpful while I'm in there.

00:40:23.940 And after being in prison for, well, five and a half, six, six and a half years, I was unusually – unlike the 151,000 federal inmates, I was probably the only guy who was able to get, this is the vernacular of prison, my paperwork in front of two presidents.

00:40:43.400 Axelrod was getting my request for a commutation from Obama on Obama's desk.

00:40:48.860 Like, he gave him letters from, you know, my two daughters, my young daughters to the president.

00:40:55.160 Obama's daughters are the same age as mine.

00:40:58.540 And I'd done already six and a half years asking for clemency.

00:41:02.560 And we recognized the politics of him and, you know, his image and walking out of the White House in January 20th, 2017.

00:41:12.000 So we're not even going to have it be where someone might have a, you know, the screenshot of him leaving the White House and me leaving the big house at the same time because we were connected to the case.

00:41:23.880 But why don't you just cut my sentence in half from 14 years?

00:41:27.020 I never took a penny.

00:41:27.780 It was a request for campaign contributions and a political deal you wanted to make.

00:41:33.080 Right?

00:41:33.960 Just cut my sentence from 14 years to seven, which would be higher than anybody governor's ever gotten from Illinois who's been in prison.

00:41:41.720 Probably maybe the longest actual time served of any governor.

00:41:45.520 And I'll limp out of prison in October of 2017.

00:41:48.420 And it sure looked promising in the days leading up to that because a few days before that he had released from prison a member of the FALN, the Puerto Rican terrorist group that was blowing up federal buildings.

00:42:02.480 So you should have been a Puerto Rican terrorist. 1.00

00:42:04.540 This guy got released by Obama a few days before. 0.95

00:42:08.280 And I'm thinking, ooh, that's a good sign for me.

00:42:11.180 Right?

00:42:11.800 Yeah.

00:42:11.980 And then a guy got 35 years in prison for treason against the United States.

00:42:17.460 His name was Bradley Manning.

00:42:19.020 He went into prison as Bradley Manning.

00:42:21.820 Came out of prison.

00:42:23.080 Chelsea Manning through the largesse of the taxpayers. 0.88

00:42:27.480 Obama cut him, cut her loose after six years or seven years.

00:42:31.720 I'm thinking, I'm easy compared to these two.

00:42:36.260 And I had members of Congress, Democrats who I'd served with, X-Rod, asking him to do it.

00:42:44.440 And he didn't do it.

00:42:46.180 And I think it's because he made a deal with them.

00:42:48.600 They basically said, we'll leave you alone.

00:42:51.200 You don't interrupt.

00:42:51.980 Get involved in any of this.

00:42:53.920 And you don't help him.

00:42:55.240 That's what I think.

00:42:55.860 But here's what's interesting.

00:42:57.540 And it shows a lot about the kind of person Trump is.

00:43:01.720 And all through this process, these long, hard years and the years of, you know, dashed hopes and expectations.

00:43:10.800 Because there was no way we could lose our appeal.

00:43:12.480 These things are legal.

00:43:15.420 Then you figure, then they reverse the Senate seat after I'm in prison for three and a half years and vacate my sentence.

00:43:21.800 Now I have no sentence.

00:43:22.680 So I went from 14 years to no years for a year, which was easier time to do.

00:43:28.420 Because when you're looking, you know, you walk into prison in March of 2012, March 15th, and your exit day is May 2024, right?

00:43:40.640 That's a long, hard road.

00:43:42.000 So you've tried to break up, psychologically, you try to break up that time, right?

00:43:45.180 So you say, okay, let's get from here to the first, the appeal.

00:43:48.420 We're going to have hopes that we can win that.

00:43:50.260 Though deep down, you just know.

00:43:51.780 You've seen enough of the system to know you're dead, right?

00:43:54.340 But you cling to that hope.

00:43:56.720 They can't uphold the Senate seat.

00:43:58.420 They reverse it.

00:43:59.360 Now I have no sentence.

00:44:00.940 I discuss with my attorney.

00:44:04.280 When do we go back to re-sentencing?

00:44:05.840 They got to give you a sentence.

00:44:07.040 You go back to the same judge.

00:44:08.880 Let's just wait a year.

00:44:10.580 I'll just stay here.

00:44:11.880 I'll keep, you know, working out, reading, and just trying to grow.

00:44:15.960 And then we'll go back to this judge when I will have served almost five years, more than

00:44:20.860 just about anybody.

00:44:22.140 I mean, nobody in American history other than me has served a single day in prison for a

00:44:26.860 fundraising violation.

00:44:28.480 And this wasn't even a violation, but let's assume the worst that it was.

00:44:32.260 No one had did a single day.

00:44:34.100 And my lawyer presented this to the judge.

00:44:36.080 There's not a single case.

00:44:38.100 And letters, my little girls had grown up.

00:44:40.680 They gave beautiful presentations in court.

00:44:42.360 I'm video from Colorado in prison for the re-sentencing, August 9th, 2016.

00:44:49.860 Okay?

00:44:50.840 So I go from no sentence.

00:44:52.540 The centerpiece of the case was a big lie to begin with.

00:44:54.700 It was never a crime.

00:44:55.820 No sale of the Senate seat.

00:44:57.960 No sentence.

00:44:59.260 Back before the judge.

00:45:00.380 I've been a well-behaved inmate.

00:45:03.260 We submit well over 100 letters from my colleagues, guys that I helped.

00:45:07.820 Good guys.

00:45:08.480 I'm criminals, but I learned a lot of these guys aren't bad guys.

00:45:11.080 Some are really bad.

00:45:12.360 Some are pretty good guys.

00:45:13.700 They're just, you know, have gone the wrong way and got bad habits.

00:45:17.820 We submit the letters.

00:45:19.960 And there's real expectation that I'll go home.

00:45:24.420 He puts me back at 14 years.

00:45:26.400 And I hear my older daughter sobbing in the courtroom after they gave these beautiful presentations.

00:45:30.780 I'm watching my little girls who've grown.

00:45:32.220 And I'm so proud of them.

00:45:34.680 And look how, you know, how sweet and nice and smart they are.

00:45:39.200 And boy, Patty did a great job raising them. 1.00

00:45:41.240 You know, all these things I'm thinking at this re-sentencing.

00:45:43.320 But here's where God comes in.

00:45:46.160 And this whole miracle of how I eventually got home and that Donald Trump would be the instrument.

00:45:50.600 See, this is part of what I read about in my book.

00:45:53.200 I got to know him a little bit on Celebrity Apprentice, a show I never watched.

00:45:57.460 But after they took everything away from me and I had no income and I was an honest governor, didn't get rich in the business, I was getting these opportunities to do these, you know, one place that you can actually make a living when you got this leprosy is in entertainment.

00:46:13.340 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:14.120 No one wants to come near you when you got it, understandably.

00:46:16.100 But you're better than Diddy, so you can still get paid, yeah.

00:46:18.880 So, yeah, I turned down a bunch of really bad stuff, like being a greeter on an HBO show called The Bunny Ranch. 0.95

00:46:24.680 It's a whorehouse in Henderson, Nevada. 1.00

00:46:26.780 They offered me six figures. 0.98

00:46:28.280 They thought I was perfect for the role because I was such a scoundrel in the media, right?

00:46:32.120 I turned it down.

00:46:32.940 The guy's name was Dennis Hoff.

00:46:34.360 I knew him well, yeah.

00:46:35.300 Yeah, nice guy.

00:46:36.460 Yeah, he was.

00:46:36.960 But I couldn't, I got two little girls.

00:46:38.540 I'm not doing that.

00:46:39.960 Anyway, but Trump's show can't call in because he saw me on television fighting back.

00:46:45.000 And so I did Celebrity Apprentice.

00:46:46.780 This is October 2009 that we tape it.

00:46:49.500 It airs in like March 2010.

00:46:53.280 My first trial is June 2010.

00:46:56.420 And he was so good to me.

00:46:59.480 He was so sympathetic.

00:47:00.760 He was so kind.

00:47:01.760 People don't realize on a personal level, Trump's a kind-hearted person, very different from most politicians.

00:47:07.960 And the direct opposite of a cold, selfish, completely practical Obama, right?

00:47:14.740 So when Obama passes me by, back to the resentencing on the 9th of August, the judge puts me back at 14 years.

00:47:22.820 My daughter's sobbing in the courtroom.

00:47:24.380 I can't see her, but I hear it.

00:47:27.640 Hope is gone now, right?

00:47:29.680 But here's how God works.

00:47:31.300 He sends me more hope.

00:47:32.640 Because that afternoon, Trump's given a speech in North Carolina.

00:47:36.080 He's running against Hillary.

00:47:36.880 And he starts talking about crooked Hillary, right?

00:47:40.540 And before the audience starts chanting, lock her up, lock her up, he says.

00:47:43.680 And then there's this governor from Illinois.

00:47:46.020 They just gave him 14 years.

00:47:48.520 Again, 14 years.

00:47:50.060 He's a choir boy next to Hillary, something like that.

00:47:53.540 Trump's got me on his radar, right?

00:47:56.820 And I'm thinking, because I believe, I know politics.

00:47:59.600 I think he's going to beat her.

00:48:00.860 Even from a foreign prison, I felt he was going to beat her. 1.00

00:48:02.940 Because he was different.

00:48:03.980 He was standing up to stuff he wasn't backing down like typical politicians do.

00:48:07.920 And I thought, wow.

00:48:09.520 So if Obama doesn't do it, who knows?

00:48:12.700 And he was so good to me on that show.

00:48:14.420 Well, he didn't do it, Obama, the 20th of January.

00:48:17.360 One month later, Trump's been president for one month.

00:48:19.600 If I get called into the case manager's office and they have a form I have to sign, it's a waiver.

00:48:26.220 I have to, if I agree, to allow the White House pardon office to get my prison records.

00:48:33.340 Of course, what do I sign, right?

00:48:34.900 So I sign it.

00:48:36.100 Two things.

00:48:37.320 Trump's looking out and wants to see whether or not, you know, I was a well-behaved inmate.

00:48:40.620 There's a way perhaps where he can send me home.

00:48:43.320 And Obama was never going to do it because they never asked for my records.

00:48:46.820 And what that did for me was it gave me hope for the next couple of years.

00:48:51.580 And then after the Supreme Court didn't take our case, God bless you, my friend.

00:48:56.260 Me and my homies in prison are watching my wife on your show on a Monday in the spring of 2018.

00:49:02.300 The Supreme Court turned me down that weekend.

00:49:04.680 That Monday evening, you had Patty, my wife Patty on.

00:49:06.880 Yeah, I'll never forget it.

00:49:07.760 Yeah, and you were fantastic.

00:49:09.640 And I'm really grateful to you.

00:49:11.420 Oh my gosh.

00:49:12.280 Well, there's nothing more beautiful than a loyal spouse.

00:49:16.820 Yeah, she's amazing, isn't she?

00:49:18.500 Yeah, I agree with that strongly.

00:49:20.460 So when you see, going through everything that you did, when you see the FBI raid Mar-a-Lago in the summer of 2022, what do you think?

00:49:28.600 Deja vu all over again.

00:49:29.700 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:30.020 These lying scumbags. 1.00

00:49:31.860 Yeah, weaponized. 1.00

00:49:32.960 They're politicians.

00:49:33.740 They're political agents.

00:49:35.560 KGB Soviet-style police state politics in America.

00:49:38.140 And the Democrats have embraced it.

00:49:39.720 The Bush administration started it, but this Fitzgerald is his own guy.

00:49:43.940 And Comey and Fitzgerald are real close.

00:49:45.760 Of course they are.

00:49:46.340 And there's no doubt in my mind that what they did to me at the AAA level to a Democrat governor, they said, ooh, we can get away with this.

00:49:52.220 Let's do it to Trump, a Republican president at the major league level. 0.94

00:49:56.020 And that's exactly what this whole Russian collusion bullshit was all about. 0.98

00:49:58.960 And I'm watching this from prison, and I know all of it. 0.99

00:50:00.980 I recognize it.

00:50:01.660 I know the tactics.

00:50:02.760 I know what the stuff they say to the media, how they leak stuff and how they lie.

00:50:06.760 They're political operatives.

00:50:08.880 Our country is on the crossroads, on the threshold.

00:50:11.500 I mean, it's so important to elect Trump for a thousand reasons.

00:50:14.920 This might be the most important one of them.

00:50:16.980 Because if we lose this, the ability in America to elect our leaders without the intervention of prosecutors, criminalizing things that aren't crimes for politics, the voters don't have any choices.

00:50:27.980 Free and fair elections don't matter.

00:50:29.280 It's all rigged.

00:50:29.920 Like they do in the old Soviet Union. 0.93

00:50:32.960 What do barriers say?

00:50:33.880 Show me the man, I'll show you the crime.

00:50:35.320 Exactly.

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00:52:24.120 So, I mean, we have a media-protected, you know,

00:52:29.980 first-line item in the Bill of Rights, as you know,

00:52:32.840 in order to push back against the abuse of power by the government.

00:52:39.200 And they don't seem to be playing that role.

00:52:42.320 They're a signed role.

00:52:43.460 They're, you know, the role that duty would compel them to play.

00:52:49.220 They seem to be, like, covering for the people in power.

00:52:52.480 Oh, man.

00:52:53.300 Duty would compel them to play.

00:52:55.720 Yeah.

00:52:56.140 The Fourth Estate, a free press and a free society.

00:52:58.740 You don't have that to check power.

00:53:00.320 Yeah.

00:53:00.720 We're dead, right?

00:53:01.920 Yeah.

00:53:02.840 So, that's kind of what I naively thought

00:53:06.120 when I'm sitting in the back seat of the FBI vehicle,

00:53:08.820 handcuffed behind my hands.

00:53:10.420 I'm the governor of Illinois.

00:53:11.800 It's the fifth largest state in America, right?

00:53:15.440 Now they got me.

00:53:17.060 And I said, well, what's this about?

00:53:19.980 And the guy said, the sale of the Senate seat.

00:53:22.200 I said, what? 1.00

00:53:23.600 First of all, you got to be a horse's ass 1.00

00:53:25.740 to think that you can get away with something like that. 1.00

00:53:29.140 I'm going to steal.

00:53:29.760 I'm going to sell Obama, any president,

00:53:32.020 but Obama at that time was a demigod elevated by the media.

00:53:35.400 Okay. 0.99

00:53:35.680 All superficial bullshit about how great he is. 1.00

00:53:38.980 But I'm going to be that stupid where I'm going to actually try to sell his Senate seat. 0.99

00:53:42.280 And I'm already under intense federal investigation for Bresco and some of these other guys. 0.97

00:53:47.180 And, you know, activists in politics and stuff,

00:53:50.940 and they're trying to find crimes.

00:53:51.880 They can't find them for five years.

00:53:53.220 So, now this, I'm thinking the media, and they're not so great,

00:53:58.140 but the media is certainly going to laugh them out of court before they get into court. 1.00

00:54:02.620 Who'd be so stupid to do something like that? 1.00

00:54:04.420 And the reality was they were all over it because it was just too super sensational to pass up. 1.00

00:54:11.160 It sold newspapers.

00:54:12.720 It was good for ratings.

00:54:14.300 So, they're more interested in the storyline than the truth,

00:54:17.060 abrogating their responsibility to all of us as citizens to keep an eye on the power.

00:54:21.940 The government has no power.

00:54:23.040 These federal prosecutors have all the power, unchecked power,

00:54:25.620 not foreseen by our founding fathers when they divided our government.

00:54:30.360 They didn't know that there'd be a branch out of the executive part of the government,

00:54:33.780 an agency out of the executive branch that would grow like a cancer there,

00:54:41.260 originally going after the Al Capones of the world,

00:54:43.960 and now taking that power to all kinds of levels to turn it into a political life.

00:54:47.640 And it becomes the secret police.

00:54:48.980 There you go.

00:54:50.160 Yeah.

00:54:50.400 This is why the work that you do, Tucker, and I mean, you're so nice to me,

00:54:53.000 but I'm grateful to you for what you do and others like you who are fighting for,

00:54:56.760 you know, freedom and Elon Musk and these guys.

00:54:59.060 Which is so corrupt.

00:55:00.120 I mean, and I think it's important to say out loud what it is, 0.92

00:55:03.060 which again is corrupt and evil. 0.98

00:55:05.220 Corrupt and evil. 0.99

00:55:05.940 Yeah.

00:55:06.780 So, does, I mean, does Trump have a, well, in a fair election, do you think Trump will win?

00:55:13.140 Oh, yeah.

00:55:13.480 If fair election, he wins every one of those battleground states with some cushion.

00:55:17.360 It's another thing I want to say to your listeners,

00:55:19.700 they should listen to me on this sort of stuff, you know, in a fair election.

00:55:23.360 One thing I've been good at in life is winning elections.

00:55:26.100 I've run 14 of them.

00:55:27.780 Seven or eight were really hard.

00:55:29.420 Primaries really hard against other Democrats.

00:55:32.260 You know, running against Republicans for governor in Illinois,

00:55:34.500 being the first Democrat to win after 26 years.

00:55:36.880 Those are really competitive races.

00:55:38.880 So, I'm giving me high marks.

00:55:40.700 I'm an expert witness when it comes to politics.

00:55:43.320 Understanding the mood of the voters, sensing them,

00:55:46.020 not just what the polling says.

00:55:47.240 Actually, it's more instinctive, what you saw at Madison Square Garden

00:55:50.560 when you gave that great speech.

00:55:52.640 I saw the crowds there.

00:55:54.480 They're not Nazis.

00:55:55.420 You know what they are?

00:55:56.200 They're white people and they're black people.

00:55:58.280 Exactly.

00:55:58.720 They're Hispanics and they're Asian.

00:56:00.840 They're old and they're young.

00:56:02.440 They're good, decent, hardworking, forgotten Americans.

00:56:07.420 Yes.

00:56:07.680 And there's more of them that aren't and they've learned to know what's being done to them

00:56:12.540 and how our country is setting the priorities that go against their interests now so blatantly

00:56:18.220 for those who don't legally come to the United States. 0.99

00:56:20.960 They're not stupid.

00:56:21.680 And I believe if this election is run fairly, it's going to be a 2024 version of 1980 0.80

00:56:34.880 when the country made its choice between Reagan and Carter by the first or second week of October

00:56:41.720 and started shifting and going towards Reagan, ended up winning maybe 49 states or something.

00:56:46.860 That won't happen now because the demographic in America is different.

00:56:50.400 The ballgames, those battleground states.

00:56:52.780 But if I'm right about this, Trump will sweep all of them

00:56:56.140 and might be competitive in states like Virginia, maybe, or Minnesota even.

00:57:01.200 Keep an eye on that.

00:57:01.860 We'll see.

00:57:02.220 But I'm very hopeful and, as Reagan used to say, cautiously optimistic.

00:57:08.780 Well, it does seem, I mean, I'd bet my house on the proposition that Trump is more popular

00:57:17.100 than Kamala Harris and more people in those seven states will vote for Trump than Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:57:23.160 But that doesn't mean that he's going to be president.

00:57:25.980 What do you think will actually happen?

00:57:28.740 Well, that's a good question.

00:57:30.020 I couldn't imagine what happened in 2020.

00:57:31.700 You can't really talk about it, but I have tremendous skepticism about all of that.

00:57:36.740 I was asked after that election about, you know.

00:57:40.700 Well, you literally can't talk about it.

00:57:42.100 And if we talk about that, well, this will be taken off YouTube.

00:57:44.940 Yeah.

00:57:45.900 But why do you think that is?

00:57:47.060 Why do you, I mean, if somebody says, you know,

00:57:49.100 we can talk about anything you want except this one thing.

00:57:52.000 Yeah.

00:57:53.160 What does that tell you?

00:57:56.100 Well, you look at those FBI tapes.

00:57:57.620 I want to play 98% of them, right?

00:57:59.220 They wouldn't let me play them in court even to prove my innocence, right?

00:58:04.480 If you're hiding something, there's a reason, right?

00:58:06.240 They're the ones that are lying.

00:58:07.400 Yeah, of course.

00:58:07.940 They're the ones who did it.

00:58:10.060 But I think that so much, I think there's such a movement for Trump right now.

00:58:15.720 And I think there's such a movement against what's happening.

00:58:19.000 And I think the testicular virility, that great courage Trump showed at that moment when he got shot.

00:58:24.720 Yes.

00:58:25.240 Butler elevated him to a very different place.

00:58:27.840 He's no longer your typical politician.

00:58:29.700 Right.

00:58:31.020 I think he represents something that's really powerful.

00:58:33.280 And you can just see all the things that are unfolding.

00:58:35.860 And here's another reason why I feel very good about this election.

00:58:39.760 The public polls, whatever they are, I never relied on those.

00:58:43.860 We had our polling.

00:58:45.260 And it guided how we ran the race and what the strategy was to run and win.

00:58:51.060 And you know that the other side has their polling too.

00:58:54.260 And in all likelihood, it's probably as good as yours.

00:58:56.520 So they know what you know.

00:58:57.960 They're seeing what you're seeing.

00:58:59.760 And so if you really want to know how the campaigns are going, just watch the candidates, where they go, what they say, what they do.

00:59:04.860 And what they're running on.

00:59:06.340 And Trump's running on a message on things that he wants to do for the American people.

00:59:09.460 You might disagree with those things.

00:59:11.020 But this is what he's saying he's going to do.

00:59:12.960 It's about you, the people.

00:59:14.180 What's he saying? 0.97

00:59:15.020 He's a Nazi. 0.78

00:59:16.020 Now they're in the late stages and making these outrageous accusations and calling people names. 0.89

00:59:21.960 Whenever that would happen to me, they weren't calling me a Nazi.

00:59:24.600 But you get nasty stuff thrown at you when you're ahead.

00:59:28.120 You love it.

00:59:28.980 Because you know you're winning.

00:59:30.340 Yeah.

00:59:30.780 Right?

00:59:31.680 So he's winning.

00:59:33.480 And if it's fair and honest, he'll win comfortably in those seven states.

00:59:36.640 So if they come to us the day after the election, and by day I mean Morning Joe and the rest of the sycophants in the media,

00:59:45.480 and tell us that Kamala Harris turns out to be just incredibly popular, incredibly popular,

00:59:50.520 and her compelling vision got her across the finish line with a massive margin,

00:59:54.620 and she got, you know, 84 million votes, and she's the winner.

00:59:58.360 And if you disagree, you know, you're a criminal.

01:00:02.800 Will people accept that?

01:00:04.400 Let me say, I will not accept that.

01:00:05.700 But will others accept that?

01:00:07.560 Like, what happens then?

01:00:08.460 In Nazi Germany, they held a plebiscite.

01:00:13.620 Hitler wanted to confirm some of what he was doing, and it was like 99 percent, yeah. 0.93

01:00:18.640 That's how you say this in Germany, right?

01:00:20.820 I think that's the only way they could even remotely have a chance.

01:00:23.480 But I mean, shouldn't, look, I don't want to be an election denier or denier of anything that's true.

01:00:29.520 I always want to acknowledge what's true, period.

01:00:32.700 But I also don't think that any of us are under the obligation to accept them at face value at their word.

01:00:38.800 I think they've kind of tried the limits of good faith.

01:00:43.200 And aren't we allowed to say, look, you say Kamala Harris won.

01:00:47.400 Great.

01:00:48.620 Show us the books.

01:00:50.140 No doubt about it. 0.97

01:00:51.540 Well, we know them to be liars.

01:00:53.200 They've been lying through the years, and they've just recently been lying about, about what? 0.59

01:00:57.960 The cognitive capabilities of the president, and then they throw him out of office and, you know,

01:01:02.180 hijack him from office and put her there, and, you know, lying about her record.

01:01:06.420 She didn't work at McDonald's even.

01:01:07.780 They lie about everything, right?

01:01:09.420 No, we can't believe that.

01:01:11.480 That's going to be really hard to believe.

01:01:13.160 Why don't we have electronic voting machines? 0.82

01:01:15.160 I thought the idea, well, I was never against them.

01:01:17.120 I never thought about it.

01:01:17.840 But I assumed that they were more efficient, that you got the results faster, and that they were more accurate.

01:01:23.160 And they're not more accurate than hand-counting paper ballots, and they're certainly not faster.

01:01:28.300 You know, the results in countries that don't have electronic voting machines are reliable,

01:01:31.880 and they're in long before our results are.

01:01:33.440 So what is the reason that we have electronic voting machines?

01:01:36.420 So among the different people I write about in my book is Walter Hill, a black guy from East St. Louis, Illinois.

01:01:44.340 Yes.

01:01:44.700 And when I first got to prison, he embraced me.

01:01:47.240 He was, you know, you my governor, right?

01:01:50.240 And he told me about a time that we had met.

01:01:52.020 He had lost some weight, but he had been a big guy.

01:01:54.420 And when he told me about having met him once down in the metro east area of Illinois, down southwestern Illinois, in East St. Louis, I kind of remembered him.

01:02:04.420 And he was like some liquor license commissioner.

01:02:06.400 And I don't think he'd mind me saying this.

01:02:08.180 He was a colorful figure and a good guy.

01:02:10.400 But he was wrong what he did.

01:02:11.580 I like him already.

01:02:12.740 Yeah.

01:02:13.540 But he said to me, and he was sympathetic to me because he's in politics.

01:02:17.620 He couldn't believe I'm in prison for what?

01:02:19.240 But he said to me, you know, I voted for you two times, right?

01:02:25.220 In East St. Louis.

01:02:26.560 And I said, oh, wow.

01:02:27.980 Thanks.

01:02:28.680 How many times you voted for Obama?

01:02:30.380 Nine. 1.00

01:02:31.680 I said, you're a racist, man. 0.99

01:02:33.420 We're both Democrats. 1.00

01:02:34.440 You vote for the black guy nine times, me only two?

01:02:37.420 Right. 0.84

01:02:39.120 That's why.

01:02:40.420 That's your answer.

01:02:41.040 I don't remember Obama running for president nine times.

01:02:43.540 How did Mr. Hill pull that off?

01:02:44.900 No, then that first election because this is –

01:02:46.840 The first election.

01:02:47.860 I met him in 2012 before the re-election.

01:02:50.380 So this would have been the 2008 election.

01:02:52.480 And I frankly believe he was telling me the truth.

01:02:55.640 But that's the answer to your question about those machines.

01:02:59.600 You know, what gives me hope too about this election is those –

01:03:06.140 well, among the ways Democratic precinct workers –

01:03:09.660 and Obama and I know this.

01:03:10.780 We were, you know, high up.

01:03:12.880 But you kind of know these activists are doing whatever they're doing.

01:03:15.620 In the polling places that are controlled by Democrats,

01:03:19.160 largely in the inner city, in the poor neighborhoods,

01:03:22.720 is through the – what's called the absentee ballots.

01:03:26.440 And they gather them up and harvest them.

01:03:29.400 And what happened in 2020 was that on steroids

01:03:32.240 with the COVID situation and the mail-in ballots.

01:03:36.860 And that's among the reasons why I have a, you know,

01:03:39.200 I believe on honest skepticism about the result of that.

01:03:42.380 Don't know that Trump even had a fair chance

01:03:43.800 to get in the court on any of that stuff.

01:03:45.680 And again, I know from my experience how the courts can, you know, be dishonest.

01:03:50.100 There's got to be so many reforms that have to happen.

01:03:51.980 God willing, Trump wins.

01:03:53.700 Clean up that justice system.

01:03:55.940 And I think there has to be – nobody should be unchecked.

01:03:58.920 I think that's the lesson from my hard experience.

01:04:01.340 Human nature, even good people can get tempted

01:04:03.780 to do the bad things and wrong things.

01:04:05.500 Another reason why, thank you scientists for your great intelligence

01:04:09.180 and the great contributions you make.

01:04:11.420 But unless we guide you through conscience, which comes from God, right?

01:04:15.800 You're going to destroy the world.

01:04:18.080 So to answer your question, I think the voting system is the way it is today

01:04:25.680 because of political priorities that are above and beyond

01:04:28.740 what's fundamentally right for our country.

01:04:31.140 And what really makes me angry at my party is nothing sacred to these people anymore,

01:04:35.740 that they would weaponize the law and the justice system to destroy Trump

01:04:40.480 because they know that if they destroy Trump,

01:04:45.220 nothing's going to stop them from destroying our freedoms.

01:04:47.860 And little by little, this I know too, having lost mine,

01:04:50.900 I see the steady erosion of freedom in America.

01:04:53.480 America, and it's so much like countries that –

01:04:57.340 like my father came from after World War II, Serbia.

01:05:00.160 He didn't want to live in a communist country.

01:05:02.400 And, you know, they saw, they know how those rights and freedoms are taken away.

01:05:08.500 And here's this – what Lincoln called the last best hope on earth.

01:05:12.220 If we lose freedom here, forget about it all over the world.

01:05:15.480 I think we're going to start seeing the beginning of a new dark age

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01:05:22.340 That's what I think.

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01:06:50.240 It does seem...

01:07:05.560 Look, if Kamala Harris wins fair and square...

01:07:08.200 Yeah, right.

01:07:09.300 Blessings to her,

01:07:10.380 and I hope she fixes the country that she helped destroy.

01:07:14.540 But I really do fervently hope that,

01:07:16.420 and I mean it.

01:07:17.240 Yes.

01:07:17.420 And I will support any effort to do that.

01:07:19.180 But if she declares victory

01:07:22.480 without proving that she actually won fairly,

01:07:26.060 I think it is the duty of the rest of us to resist that.

01:07:30.480 You're not allowed to steal elections.

01:07:31.880 That's the end of democracy.

01:07:34.720 Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.

01:07:37.120 That's right out of the Old Testament.

01:07:38.340 I feel that.

01:07:38.980 No doubt about it.

01:07:40.260 Look, we're in this historic state of Maine

01:07:42.300 where you have this wonderful studio.

01:07:45.140 I mean, think about the patriots in America

01:07:46.740 who began our country

01:07:47.680 and resisted the tyranny from England.

01:07:49.180 Oh, sure.

01:07:49.640 It's a unique place.

01:07:51.900 I wasn't setting the world on fire in school.

01:07:54.300 I went to not-so-good schools in Chicago, public schools.

01:07:57.660 My parents were little working people,

01:07:59.240 five-room apartment.

01:08:00.460 My father spoke broken English,

01:08:02.280 and my mom worked for the public transit system,

01:08:04.740 passing on transfers.

01:08:05.580 We didn't know anybody in politics or anything.

01:08:07.260 We were just working people.

01:08:09.440 I became the governor of Illinois.

01:08:11.860 Anything's possible in this country.

01:08:13.600 If we lose this,

01:08:15.420 it's why everybody wants to come here,

01:08:17.100 but just follow the law, right?

01:08:18.680 And they're destroying the law.

01:08:19.780 And the idea of sanctuary cities,

01:08:21.160 I'm sitting in prison watching the Democrats

01:08:23.400 with these sanctuary cities.

01:08:24.820 That was unthinkable.

01:08:25.740 How is that not insurrection?

01:08:27.360 Correct.

01:08:27.940 Against the federal government?

01:08:29.160 Yes.

01:08:29.540 I mean, what happened in Fort Sumter in 1861

01:08:32.160 was less radical than sanctuary cities.

01:08:34.360 We're saying that we're ignoring federal immigration law.

01:08:37.600 Right.

01:08:37.880 How are we not breaking away from the rest of the United States?

01:08:40.700 Right.

01:08:41.320 How's that secession?

01:08:42.560 I don't get it.

01:08:44.200 I hear you.

01:08:45.200 It's crazy.

01:08:46.320 Right.

01:08:47.140 But again, the media just made it seem like an exercise in compassion.

01:08:50.600 Yeah.

01:08:51.640 Here again, thank you for what you do.

01:08:53.340 And thank you for a lot of the other services that are out there

01:08:56.240 who are providing alternative views

01:08:57.880 from what the mainstream media has become.

01:09:00.080 I mean, when you guys talk about mainstream media, you're right.

01:09:02.660 They've been so corrupted, so co-opted.

01:09:04.660 They're corporate media.

01:09:05.800 Have you talked to Obama since you got out?

01:09:07.720 No.

01:09:08.640 He never called you?

01:09:09.660 Oh, no.

01:09:10.900 Oh, God, no.

01:09:11.560 What's he mad at you about?

01:09:12.880 What'd you do wrong?

01:09:13.820 No, I don't think he's mad.

01:09:15.260 He's just like, that guy can only hurt me.

01:09:18.260 Of course.

01:09:18.880 He's living the good life.

01:09:20.320 You know, you think about Obama.

01:09:21.220 He's close to being a billionaire.

01:09:23.020 Those Obamas have monetized, like the Clintons did,

01:09:26.340 their time in the Oval Office and the White House.

01:09:29.060 I think about Trump.

01:09:30.440 How did Obama get so rich?

01:09:32.940 Right.

01:09:34.000 Well, I mean, he's got that whole establishment stuff

01:09:39.280 to overpay them for things.

01:09:41.500 He's, I think, got a deal for like a book deal

01:09:43.980 that was like $60 million or something in advance.

01:09:46.460 And I don't know what the other things he's doing,

01:09:48.900 but I think there's like documentaries

01:09:50.380 he supposedly makes for Netflix.

01:09:51.900 They paid him $100 million or something.

01:09:53.560 But I think about that and I think of,

01:09:55.960 and I know, you know, them and the moment they won

01:09:57.940 for the Senate and, you know.

01:10:00.580 They wanted a man job the first thing 1.00

01:10:02.040 and she wanted a job.

01:10:02.480 Yeah, she wanted a job. 0.88

01:10:03.320 Yeah.

01:10:03.700 There's other things about him that I've been told by Tony

01:10:05.840 that I don't think I should say just because,

01:10:08.200 boy, they're terrible of true

01:10:09.240 and I tend to believe they are.

01:10:11.440 About his personal behavior?

01:10:12.480 About the desire to have upward mobility.

01:10:19.040 Yeah.

01:10:19.380 And, you know, and where he was in the late 90s.

01:10:22.960 He's a money worshiper.

01:10:24.820 Yeah.

01:10:25.380 And I compare that and I think about Trump

01:10:27.680 who's made all that money and built it up in business

01:10:30.620 and then decided to leave that good life

01:10:33.120 to go and put himself through this

01:10:35.560 in this rotten, nasty business

01:10:37.320 and he gets treated like that

01:10:39.160 where they're trying to literally destroy him

01:10:40.960 and his family and all that wealth that he created

01:10:42.900 and the juxtaposition between that

01:10:46.420 where he wants to serve and Obama,

01:10:49.860 how they've catapulted to that level

01:10:52.000 after the presidency

01:10:53.660 by just playing the inside game

01:10:55.420 and being part of the establishment.

01:10:57.760 It's a dramatic difference.

01:10:59.560 Do you see, I mean, you keep hearing these whispers.

01:11:02.340 A lot of them are just like nonsense on the internet

01:11:04.420 but then you do hear from Democrats,

01:11:06.960 I don't know if it's true,

01:11:08.380 but that Obama would like to see his wife run 0.87

01:11:11.500 after Kamala Harris loses.

01:11:14.340 Do you think there's any truth to any of that?

01:11:16.640 Yes.

01:11:17.800 I think that's not unlikely.

01:11:20.320 I don't know that she wants to do it though.

01:11:22.660 But I...

01:11:23.080 It doesn't seem like she does

01:11:24.020 but what do I know?

01:11:24.940 Yeah, I know I'm the same way.

01:11:27.340 Sure, I can see that.

01:11:28.280 I can see the possibility of that.

01:11:29.440 How much control does Obama have

01:11:30.980 over the modern Democratic Party?

01:11:34.820 It's a good question.

01:11:35.800 Um, he's the most influential person

01:11:39.840 in the Democratic Party today

01:11:41.120 but I would say that his influence wanes

01:11:43.720 as the years go by.

01:11:45.200 He's not as influential now

01:11:46.580 as he was four years ago

01:11:48.280 or eight years ago.

01:11:51.100 You know, times change, new people come in.

01:11:53.580 I do think that the socialists,

01:11:56.440 the Democrats,

01:11:57.860 the AOC types

01:11:59.560 are further left than Obama.

01:12:02.820 And that's a tiger

01:12:04.600 that he can't hold by the tail

01:12:06.560 that are kind of pushing him

01:12:07.520 and others that way.

01:12:08.700 I don't know that he's comfortable doing that.

01:12:10.360 The thing about him is

01:12:11.320 he's got a fundamental left-wing ideology

01:12:14.660 but he's a lot more practical than that.

01:12:16.480 He's all about just winning for himself.

01:12:19.240 And, you know,

01:12:19.840 I think about

01:12:20.580 when he ran for president in 2008,

01:12:23.760 he supported a border wall.

01:12:25.500 Oh, yeah.

01:12:26.240 Right?

01:12:26.580 It was practical politics at that time.

01:12:28.120 He was willing to ditch that right away.

01:12:30.580 And so,

01:12:31.340 I would say as time goes by

01:12:33.400 his influence will wane,

01:12:34.980 continue to wane,

01:12:35.940 but probably

01:12:36.680 four years from now

01:12:37.820 he'll probably still be,

01:12:39.320 God willing,

01:12:39.780 Trump's the president,

01:12:41.200 the most influential Democrat.

01:12:42.420 Boy,

01:12:44.760 he was pretty cold with Joe Biden

01:12:46.720 who was always kind of running around 0.96

01:12:48.520 pathetically bragging

01:12:50.020 about how close he was to Obama 0.83

01:12:51.360 and they were buddies

01:12:52.040 and Obama just knifed him twice.

01:12:54.760 One in 2016,

01:12:56.400 supporting Hillary for the nomination

01:12:58.340 and again this summer

01:13:00.500 with, you know,

01:13:01.640 leading the coup against him.

01:13:03.220 What's that?

01:13:04.620 It's Machiavelli.

01:13:05.780 Yeah.

01:13:06.280 He went to Harvard.

01:13:07.160 He was probably reading the law

01:13:08.160 and reading The Prince.

01:13:09.660 Right?

01:13:10.340 No, he's a cold-hearted,

01:13:11.240 very Machiavellian.

01:13:12.420 Look, it's a tough business

01:13:13.280 and I don't want to be

01:13:13.840 a whiner, a complainer

01:13:14.820 and like,

01:13:15.120 oh, woe is me, 1.00

01:13:15.740 look what happened to me.

01:13:16.120 It is a tough business.

01:13:17.160 It's a rough business

01:13:17.720 and you know you're in

01:13:18.400 a rough business like that.

01:13:19.780 Harry Truman said

01:13:20.360 if you want a friend in Washington,

01:13:21.520 get a dog, right?

01:13:22.760 There's a lot of truth to that

01:13:23.680 but within the spectrum

01:13:24.800 of these practical people 0.92

01:13:25.840 in a business of bullshitters 0.99

01:13:27.560 and duplicitous phonies 0.99

01:13:29.260 who almost embrace 1.00

01:13:30.320 their hypocrisy

01:13:31.360 as if it's like 0.94

01:13:32.340 some sort of skill

01:13:33.280 or talent that they have.

01:13:34.780 In other words,

01:13:35.220 Michael Jordan,

01:13:36.040 you know,

01:13:36.220 his game got better

01:13:37.140 as he got greater, right?

01:13:39.440 He became a much better shooter.

01:13:40.940 I'm from Chicago,

01:13:41.580 six championships.

01:13:42.440 We love Jordan, right?

01:13:44.080 But Jordan wasn't

01:13:44.840 as good a shooter

01:13:45.540 when he first came out of college

01:13:46.900 as he became.

01:13:47.740 His game got better

01:13:48.720 and so you embrace that.

01:13:50.600 He can move,

01:13:51.420 go to the left

01:13:51.920 a little bit better

01:13:52.520 than he did

01:13:52.980 when he first started.

01:13:53.960 You embrace the improvement

01:13:54.840 of his skills in sports.

01:13:57.520 These politicians,

01:13:58.740 what they do

01:13:59.420 is like the Chuck Schumers 0.69

01:14:01.660 of the world,

01:14:02.200 they laugh at their duplicity 0.99

01:14:03.720 and their hypocrisy. 0.96

01:14:05.100 It isn't that 0.99

01:14:05.760 they're being phony or fake.

01:14:07.840 They feel good

01:14:08.720 because they're getting

01:14:09.300 away with it

01:14:09.860 and the people

01:14:10.820 are buying it, right?

01:14:12.740 And at some level,

01:14:14.380 including me,

01:14:15.220 there's a level of that

01:14:16.020 that's part of that business

01:14:17.180 but there is a difference

01:14:19.340 between a lot of the people

01:14:20.400 in politics

01:14:20.980 that aren't like that

01:14:22.160 and in spite of what everybody,

01:14:24.000 well,

01:14:24.260 the establishment's been saying

01:14:25.340 about Trump,

01:14:26.140 he is probably

01:14:26.720 the least political

01:14:28.600 of the people

01:14:29.580 I've known in politics

01:14:30.480 and I've known a lot.

01:14:31.860 I mean,

01:14:32.020 I knew Biden

01:14:32.540 when he was a senator

01:14:33.160 and I was in Congress.

01:14:34.400 I knew Bill Clinton.

01:14:36.100 He was actually

01:14:36.560 a very nice guy.

01:14:37.780 That's my Bill Clinton

01:14:38.400 impersonation.

01:14:39.180 I really liked him,

01:14:40.260 right?

01:14:40.640 Defended him

01:14:41.080 and that was a hard thing

01:14:42.320 to defend.

01:14:43.060 I mean,

01:14:43.260 what are you doing

01:14:43.760 with an intern,

01:14:44.440 man?

01:14:44.680 Come on,

01:14:45.720 right?

01:14:46.240 Anyway,

01:14:47.280 Obama I knew

01:14:47.940 since 1995.

01:14:49.180 Was that Monica Lewinsky 0.92

01:14:50.200 thing some sort of op

01:14:51.560 from a foreign country

01:14:52.540 to control Clinton?

01:14:54.140 You ever heard

01:14:54.460 anybody say that?

01:14:55.920 No,

01:14:56.160 I haven't actually,

01:14:57.000 no.

01:14:57.660 You do wonder.

01:14:58.700 You think?

01:14:59.220 Yeah.

01:14:59.480 I don't know.

01:15:00.000 Gosh,

01:15:00.320 I don't know.

01:15:01.240 No,

01:15:01.460 I think it was real.

01:15:03.820 Oh,

01:15:04.040 totally.

01:15:04.560 Yeah.

01:15:04.760 But you do,

01:15:05.120 you know,

01:15:05.340 you do sort of wonder.

01:15:07.100 Do you ever talk to Clinton?

01:15:08.780 Is he still around?

01:15:09.620 Do you never,

01:15:10.100 you hear he's not well,

01:15:11.080 but I don't know.

01:15:12.240 No,

01:15:12.500 I haven't seen him

01:15:13.340 since before prison.

01:15:15.520 Is he still a force

01:15:16.420 in the party?

01:15:17.220 Less so.

01:15:18.020 Yeah.

01:15:18.340 Yeah.

01:15:19.640 Less so.

01:15:20.160 Obama's eclipsed him.

01:15:21.560 You said that

01:15:22.340 if it was a choice

01:15:23.560 between Obama and Hillary

01:15:24.560 it wasn't a tough one for you.

01:15:25.860 You obviously know Hillary. 0.99

01:15:26.880 Why weren't you eager

01:15:29.000 to support her?

01:15:30.500 The reason Bill Clinton won

01:15:32.100 and the reason she lost

01:15:33.780 is the reason you talked

01:15:35.720 about Trump

01:15:36.580 at the Madison Square Garden.

01:15:38.520 Trump likes people.

01:15:39.480 Yeah,

01:15:39.740 yeah.

01:15:40.220 Clinton likes people.

01:15:41.220 Oh,

01:15:41.400 sure.

01:15:41.660 He does.

01:15:41.780 She has contempt for people. 1.00

01:15:43.760 You know,

01:15:44.060 that basket of deplorables? 0.95

01:15:45.460 Yeah.

01:15:46.140 I think she feels that way

01:15:47.000 about all the people,

01:15:48.440 you know,

01:15:48.660 everyday people.

01:15:49.280 She's just so focused

01:15:51.060 and guided

01:15:51.620 and a political animal.

01:15:53.380 Whatever she stands for

01:15:54.400 is driven by focus groups

01:15:55.420 and polls.

01:15:55.980 She has no,

01:15:56.380 like,

01:15:56.620 feel for anything.

01:15:58.180 I really believe

01:15:58.820 that about her.

01:15:59.460 I mean,

01:15:59.640 she's,

01:16:00.000 you know,

01:16:00.160 at a personal level

01:16:00.860 you meet her.

01:16:02.460 I mean,

01:16:02.960 you know,

01:16:04.500 no surprise

01:16:05.340 she didn't win.

01:16:06.780 Right?

01:16:07.200 Really?

01:16:07.680 Yeah.

01:16:08.000 No.

01:16:09.020 Not a warm person.

01:16:10.360 Oh,

01:16:10.520 not at all.

01:16:11.000 Very cold,

01:16:11.460 very cold hearted,

01:16:12.220 very ambitious, 0.98

01:16:13.140 very dishonest, 0.99

01:16:14.180 very dishonest.

01:16:15.440 She had,

01:16:15.820 well,

01:16:15.960 her best friend

01:16:16.480 worked for me

01:16:16.960 in my administration.

01:16:18.080 I hired this woman. 0.99

01:16:18.740 I can't remember her name,

01:16:19.560 but she was a nice woman.

01:16:21.560 She was competent,

01:16:23.060 but not like she ever

01:16:25.000 told me anything bad

01:16:25.740 about Hillary.

01:16:26.460 It's just that

01:16:26.860 I'd been around Hillary

01:16:28.480 enough,

01:16:29.900 not a lot,

01:16:30.420 but enough

01:16:30.940 and Bill Clinton too

01:16:32.160 to see a very big difference

01:16:33.660 between the two people.

01:16:34.560 You just naturally

01:16:35.040 like Clinton.

01:16:36.300 I'll tell you a quick story.

01:16:38.020 You want to hear this?

01:16:38.860 Very much.

01:16:39.480 Yeah.

01:16:39.740 So I'm a congressman.

01:16:40.880 It's 1999.

01:16:42.300 The United States and NATO,

01:16:44.520 not with,

01:16:45.220 without UN approval,

01:16:47.000 are doing to my father's Serbia 0.98

01:16:48.960 what Russia is doing

01:16:52.400 to Ukraine now.

01:16:53.240 Oh,

01:16:53.500 I noticed.

01:16:53.920 Right?

01:16:54.400 We decided to bomb

01:16:55.180 a sovereign country,

01:16:56.300 forcing them to give up

01:16:57.120 a part of their country.

01:16:58.120 Do you remember this?

01:16:58.420 Thank you.

01:16:58.800 Can I ask you to pause it?

01:16:59.900 Because I want to thank you

01:17:01.200 for bringing that up.

01:17:02.500 Oh.

01:17:02.820 It's one of the worst things

01:17:03.860 that this country

01:17:04.920 has done in a long time

01:17:05.880 and it's been completely forgotten.

01:17:07.380 It was not talked about then.

01:17:08.580 Right.

01:17:09.300 And so I hope people

01:17:10.180 aren't familiar

01:17:10.620 with what you're talking about.

01:17:11.760 We'll listen carefully.

01:17:12.780 It was 1999.

01:17:13.780 It was the Balkans 0.99

01:17:15.580 and Serbia

01:17:16.160 and the United States

01:17:17.080 and NATO

01:17:17.360 decided to bomb Serbia 0.93

01:17:18.360 over Kosovo,

01:17:19.300 which is part of Serbia.

01:17:20.320 and basically it was

01:17:21.800 whether or not

01:17:22.340 the Serbs would accept 0.79

01:17:23.800 an agreement

01:17:24.500 that was made in France,

01:17:25.540 Rambouillet,

01:17:26.660 that basically said

01:17:27.660 this part of your country

01:17:29.040 has to be submitted

01:17:30.300 to a referendum

01:17:31.140 where the Muslims 0.97

01:17:32.760 outnumber the Christian community 0.99

01:17:34.060 about like 10 to 1

01:17:34.940 and if you don't submit this

01:17:36.560 to a vote,

01:17:37.100 which obviously

01:17:37.500 was going to go

01:17:38.000 for separation,

01:17:39.960 secession, 0.99

01:17:41.240 we're going to bomb you. 0.99

01:17:43.700 Extortion at the highest level. 0.92

01:17:45.000 But what was the motive there?

01:17:47.000 Why would we want

01:17:47.780 to get involved

01:17:48.620 in the internal affairs

01:17:49.840 of Serbia?

01:17:51.420 I don't under,

01:17:52.380 like why would we

01:17:54.140 kill all those people 0.63

01:17:56.020 to achieve that result? 1.00

01:17:57.500 Do you have any idea?

01:17:58.900 I do.

01:17:59.360 I have different ideas.

01:18:00.400 I think a lot of it

01:18:01.020 has to do with,

01:18:01.700 you know,

01:18:01.940 the politics in the Middle East

01:18:03.320 and, you know,

01:18:04.280 Muslim,

01:18:05.260 having a Muslim country

01:18:06.780 or two in Europe itself

01:18:08.480 because before that

01:18:09.520 was the war in Bosnia

01:18:10.620 where it was divided

01:18:11.920 up three ways

01:18:12.620 and the Muslims

01:18:13.080 have a section

01:18:13.960 of Bosnia

01:18:15.740 and to the east

01:18:17.060 is the Republic of Serbska

01:18:18.200 where the Serbs

01:18:18.720 and the Croatians

01:18:19.300 are to the west.

01:18:20.540 The Balkans

01:18:20.940 have historically been,

01:18:22.220 you know,

01:18:22.580 very difficult places

01:18:23.540 with the different peoples

01:18:24.440 getting along

01:18:25.120 and it is a lot of animals.

01:18:26.420 Hence the word Balkanize. 0.99

01:18:27.440 Yeah.

01:18:27.680 That's exactly right.

01:18:30.000 But, you know,

01:18:31.840 I learned this about politics

01:18:34.240 at the high level

01:18:34.920 which was surprising to me

01:18:36.120 that a lot of our foreign policy

01:18:37.800 and this is frightening

01:18:38.500 is driven by campaign contributions

01:18:40.920 and groups.

01:18:42.260 Of course.

01:18:43.100 Yeah.

01:18:43.740 I could see.

01:18:44.660 All of it.

01:18:45.720 Yeah.

01:18:46.040 But foreign policy,

01:18:46.980 think about that.

01:18:47.640 That's what I'm saying.

01:18:48.360 Yeah.

01:18:48.660 I mean,

01:18:48.940 of course it is.

01:18:49.720 Yeah.

01:18:49.900 Oh, I see it every day.

01:18:50.820 Yeah.

01:18:51.120 Well, she was running 0.97

01:18:51.640 for the U.S. Senate

01:18:52.240 in New York.

01:18:52.800 Hillary was.

01:18:53.720 And there's a prominent

01:18:54.520 Albanian community

01:18:55.420 in the state of New York.

01:18:56.980 How much of Clinton's desire

01:18:58.680 and attention

01:18:59.360 to support,

01:19:00.460 you know,

01:19:00.860 the Kosovar issue

01:19:02.600 that the Albanians supported

01:19:03.900 had something to do

01:19:04.540 with his local domestic politics.

01:19:06.280 Tip O'Neill said

01:19:06.960 all politics is local.

01:19:08.520 The Clintons are experts at that.

01:19:10.540 I'm, you know,

01:19:11.220 I don't know for sure

01:19:11.980 that that was the motivation.

01:19:13.420 I think it was my,

01:19:14.160 it might've been part of it

01:19:15.160 because she was running

01:19:15.800 for the Senate.

01:19:17.520 However, it was,

01:19:18.740 they did it.

01:19:19.940 And I was the only

01:19:22.560 Serbian American in Congress

01:19:23.940 and I was a Democrat

01:19:24.840 and my party was doing this.

01:19:26.600 But most of the Republicans

01:19:27.700 went along with it as well

01:19:28.900 because it was

01:19:29.740 the established Republican Party

01:19:31.540 of the Cheneys, right?

01:19:32.660 Of course, it's war.

01:19:33.640 It's war. 0.99

01:19:33.820 We get to kill people. 0.98

01:19:34.640 It's a good thing. 0.99

01:19:35.180 Yeah, that's right.

01:19:35.800 Always, yeah.

01:19:36.940 And so they bombed,

01:19:38.140 this country my father came from

01:19:40.060 and it was,

01:19:41.400 on a personal level,

01:19:42.260 it was really hard.

01:19:43.160 You know,

01:19:43.260 I think about my late father

01:19:44.300 and, you know,

01:19:44.860 he would tell me stories

01:19:45.480 about World War II.

01:19:46.340 He spent,

01:19:46.880 my father spent four years

01:19:47.760 in a Nazi prison war camp

01:19:49.080 and then three years

01:19:50.260 in a refugee camp

01:19:51.140 after the war

01:19:51.940 waiting for the U.S.

01:19:53.420 to pass a law

01:19:54.140 called the Displaced Persons Act,

01:19:55.700 which allowed my father

01:19:56.480 and millions of others

01:19:57.160 like him with these millions,

01:19:58.400 these long and hard

01:19:59.180 to pronounce last names

01:20:00.040 a chance to come to America.

01:20:01.660 Freedom.

01:20:02.040 My dad loved America

01:20:02.980 and he just,

01:20:04.540 there was no place like it.

01:20:06.060 You can,

01:20:06.720 if you're worthy

01:20:07.240 to work hard,

01:20:07.840 you can make it

01:20:08.360 and if you don't,

01:20:08.940 your kids can do good.

01:20:09.940 Like,

01:20:10.420 well,

01:20:10.540 actually,

01:20:10.800 it happened with my brother and me.

01:20:12.780 But freedom was the thing

01:20:14.060 and I saw that.

01:20:18.340 David Ashford

01:20:18.840 was working for me then

01:20:19.840 and I would go to his office

01:20:23.020 and I'd vent

01:20:23.840 these MFers, 1.00

01:20:25.800 this MF and Clinton.

01:20:27.400 Where did they come up?

01:20:28.520 Serbia was an ally

01:20:29.380 for the United,

01:20:29.940 with the United States

01:20:30.700 in World War II.

01:20:31.640 Serbia was an ally

01:20:32.500 of the United States

01:20:33.500 in World War I

01:20:34.620 and now

01:20:35.620 they're violating

01:20:37.680 international law

01:20:38.740 and bombing

01:20:39.100 a sovereign country

01:20:40.160 to support

01:20:40.980 those on the other side

01:20:42.700 of the war

01:20:43.220 as opposed to

01:20:44.200 trying to work something out

01:20:45.300 through the United Nations.

01:20:46.540 You know what?

01:20:46.860 It was just maddening

01:20:47.840 and I got to support this,

01:20:49.420 I got to support my party.

01:20:51.400 So anyway,

01:20:52.040 and I'd vent

01:20:52.520 and so we're figuring out

01:20:53.760 ways where I could be constructive.

01:20:55.500 Now I'm an American

01:20:56.440 and God forbid

01:20:57.500 and now we're at war

01:20:58.820 with the country my father came from.

01:21:00.140 My loyalties are

01:21:00.880 to the United States

01:21:01.900 and there was a big vote.

01:21:03.880 Bless you for saying that.

01:21:05.180 It was a big vote

01:21:06.080 on supporting

01:21:07.180 the military effort

01:21:09.480 against Serbia,

01:21:10.740 against my father's country.

01:21:11.960 It was tied.

01:21:13.120 212-212.

01:21:14.840 My colleague

01:21:15.580 and at the time friend

01:21:16.620 Jesse Jackson Jr.

01:21:18.260 voted against the war.

01:21:19.540 The Black Caucus

01:21:20.160 was against the war.

01:21:21.200 Good for him. 0.63

01:21:21.680 Black kids go 1.00

01:21:22.320 and fight these wars. 1.00

01:21:23.940 I took the position.

01:21:25.480 I hate this war.

01:21:26.240 I spoke against it

01:21:26.880 before they started it.

01:21:27.840 I was one of 15 congressmen,

01:21:29.140 Democrats,

01:21:29.600 Kucinich,

01:21:29.980 another one

01:21:30.420 who said,

01:21:32.020 don't do this.

01:21:32.600 You bomb this country.

01:21:33.880 You're going to unleash the Furies. 1.00

01:21:35.160 Milosevic is a crazy guy. 1.00

01:21:36.480 He's going to kick out 1.00

01:21:37.180 innocent Kosovoers 1.00

01:21:38.780 out of that country. 0.98

01:21:39.780 It's coming.

01:21:40.860 They wanted it.

01:21:42.400 It was a

01:21:43.280 provocative act by NATO.

01:21:45.680 No one Milosevic

01:21:46.420 would do that

01:21:47.080 and most people

01:21:48.020 would suffer

01:21:48.440 like they did

01:21:49.160 but then they put it

01:21:50.140 on the Serbs

01:21:51.040 and demonize them worldwide

01:21:52.960 but the Black Caucus

01:21:54.580 in many ways

01:21:55.900 the Black community

01:21:56.540 really understands

01:21:57.380 abuse of power

01:21:58.260 more than any other community

01:21:59.200 because they've been

01:21:59.620 on the wrong end of that

01:22:00.520 historically.

01:22:01.640 They're not buying it.

01:22:02.680 So I'm

01:22:03.860 the bombing starts

01:22:05.240 on a Thursday

01:22:06.800 as we all leave

01:22:07.800 from Congress.

01:22:08.500 They timed it.

01:22:09.380 We had a two-week recess

01:22:10.380 for spring break.

01:22:11.980 They start

01:22:12.340 and I'm Saturday

01:22:13.940 you know

01:22:15.060 I'm watching this

01:22:16.200 on CNN

01:22:16.680 and anyway

01:22:17.560 long long story short

01:22:18.480 I'm venting the axe rod

01:22:19.420 and this is making me sick

01:22:21.600 I got to do something.

01:22:22.340 By then

01:22:24.140 they had taken

01:22:24.620 three US soldiers

01:22:26.100 had been taken prisoner

01:22:26.980 by the Serbs

01:22:27.560 during that war.

01:22:28.500 They had stumbled

01:22:29.240 into Serbia

01:22:29.900 and they were taken

01:22:30.980 prisoners.

01:22:31.620 Nobody knew where they were

01:22:32.360 the Red Cross

01:22:32.880 wasn't allowed in.

01:22:34.460 Milosevic had been demonized

01:22:35.640 the president of Serbia

01:22:36.460 and in many ways

01:22:38.360 justifiably

01:22:39.060 but worldwide

01:22:40.540 and they were making them look

01:22:43.200 and they were calling

01:22:43.760 ethnic cleansing genocide

01:22:45.160 which is also another lie.

01:22:46.680 It's not good

01:22:47.280 but ethnic cleansing

01:22:48.620 it's the nature

01:22:50.080 of how things

01:22:50.820 have happened

01:22:51.300 in Europe

01:22:51.700 all over the place.

01:22:52.720 12 million Germans

01:22:53.480 were ethnically cleansed

01:22:54.240 from the east

01:22:54.980 to the west

01:22:55.420 after World War II.

01:22:56.420 A lot of them murdered.

01:22:57.500 Yep.

01:22:57.740 Yeah right.

01:22:58.660 So anyway

01:22:59.760 I'm frustrated

01:23:00.820 the axe rod comes up

01:23:01.580 they take the soldiers

01:23:03.080 I'm beat

01:23:04.280 because I'm the only Serb

01:23:05.700 these guys

01:23:06.520 from the Serbian government

01:23:07.380 are reaching out to me

01:23:08.340 I don't know

01:23:08.860 if they're real or not

01:23:09.740 and I see one of them

01:23:11.420 on television

01:23:11.980 with Milosevic

01:23:13.480 a guy by the name

01:23:15.940 of Kadic 0.58

01:23:16.520 Bogolub Kadic

01:23:17.420 very interesting man

01:23:18.400 long and short of it is

01:23:20.140 axe rod

01:23:21.060 I'm meeting with him

01:23:21.660 I want to play a role

01:23:22.380 I got to do something

01:23:23.100 and he says

01:23:24.400 why don't you try

01:23:25.060 to get those soldiers out

01:23:26.040 but you can't do it

01:23:27.740 by yourself

01:23:28.280 because I speak the language

01:23:29.280 that's my first language

01:23:30.480 my father

01:23:30.980 you know

01:23:31.780 my mother was American born

01:23:33.460 so how do you get there

01:23:36.220 they won't let me

01:23:37.560 I'm a junior congressman

01:23:38.840 I mean they'll crush me

01:23:40.400 they won't let me go

01:23:41.260 State Department was against it

01:23:42.860 and then I saw that

01:23:44.220 Reverend Jesse Jackson

01:23:45.600 Ramsey Clark

01:23:47.880 of course

01:23:48.840 Reverend Jesse Jackson

01:23:50.320 wanted to do what

01:23:51.040 Ramsey Clark had done

01:23:52.160 he wanted to go visit

01:23:52.880 the bombing sites

01:23:53.840 but that he had made

01:23:55.140 a condition

01:23:55.620 that he won't do it

01:23:56.520 unless he can see

01:23:57.360 the three soldiers

01:23:58.260 so I don't know

01:24:01.000 Jesse Jackson

01:24:01.620 at the time

01:24:02.120 since then

01:24:02.560 he's become

01:24:03.000 kind of a friend

01:24:03.720 so I see the sun

01:24:06.860 you know

01:24:07.120 we're young congressmen

01:24:08.120 and I see Jesse Jr

01:24:09.340 and we vote on a Tuesday

01:24:10.880 we get done with our votes

01:24:12.140 like 11 o'clock

01:24:12.860 Washington time

01:24:13.540 we're sitting in the chamber

01:24:14.400 it's empty

01:24:14.900 it's just me and him

01:24:15.540 and I said you know

01:24:16.080 hey Jesse

01:24:16.560 I saw that your dad

01:24:18.320 wants to go to Serbia

01:24:19.220 and see those soldiers

01:24:20.260 he goes yeah

01:24:21.100 and I said

01:24:22.260 I don't know 0.99

01:24:23.600 if this is bullshit 0.99

01:24:24.360 or not 0.99

01:24:24.920 but these guys

01:24:25.760 from the government

01:24:26.320 approached me

01:24:27.060 because my father

01:24:28.100 came from that country

01:24:28.980 and I speak the language

01:24:30.380 if I could arrange

01:24:32.060 for your father

01:24:32.740 to go to Serbia

01:24:33.560 to see those soldiers

01:24:35.300 you think he might do it

01:24:37.100 and he said

01:24:38.220 he sure would

01:24:39.040 why don't you call

01:24:39.780 the reverend now

01:24:40.700 and I said

01:24:42.640 what

01:24:43.100 he said

01:24:43.720 call the reverend now

01:24:44.720 and I said

01:24:46.180 you call your dad reverend

01:24:47.520 right

01:24:48.780 not surprised

01:24:49.880 no

01:24:50.360 and he said

01:24:51.700 you call him

01:24:52.080 I said look

01:24:52.340 I don't know your dad

01:24:53.040 you call him

01:24:54.020 see if he's interested

01:24:54.940 then let me know

01:24:56.000 and then I'll call him

01:24:56.820 so moments later

01:24:57.980 we're at our offices

01:24:58.720 he calls me

01:24:59.340 I'm in the cannon building

01:25:00.160 right fifth floor

01:25:00.840 and he says

01:25:02.140 I just talked to the reverend

01:25:03.620 he's in Mississippi

01:25:04.300 at a voter registration drive

01:25:05.920 call him

01:25:06.320 he's waiting for your call

01:25:07.140 so I call him

01:25:08.380 first time I ever talked

01:25:09.020 to Jesse Jackson

01:25:09.720 it's like I don't know

01:25:10.900 spring May of 1999

01:25:12.420 and April May

01:25:14.820 and I said

01:25:16.080 and if you ever talk

01:25:18.540 to him on the phone

01:25:18.960 he speaks very softly

01:25:20.060 he's a very powerful speaker

01:25:21.380 but privately

01:25:22.120 very softly

01:25:22.800 and I said reverend Jackson

01:25:24.340 this is congressman

01:25:25.420 I serve with your son

01:25:26.620 understand

01:25:27.820 he says

01:25:28.920 I said

01:25:29.840 can I call you

01:25:32.080 on a hard line

01:25:32.700 you know you're on a cell phone

01:25:33.760 it's kind of a delicate thing

01:25:35.020 I'm talking about

01:25:35.580 I don't know

01:25:35.960 if this is proper

01:25:37.780 he goes

01:25:38.100 I can't right now

01:25:39.520 I'm on a voter registration

01:25:40.660 drive in Mississippi

01:25:41.480 talk to me in code

01:25:42.820 first time I thought

01:25:44.140 I gotta go

01:25:44.820 right

01:25:45.140 okay

01:25:46.180 I said well

01:25:46.900 I'm calling you

01:25:48.260 about over there

01:25:49.840 and he says

01:25:50.820 understand

01:25:51.740 I said

01:25:53.260 I talked to a guy

01:25:54.640 in the government

01:25:55.240 who says

01:25:56.240 it's possible

01:25:57.060 for you to go

01:25:58.180 over there

01:25:59.260 understand

01:25:59.960 understand

01:26:00.340 I said

01:26:02.060 I said

01:26:03.300 if you're willing

01:26:04.420 to do it

01:26:05.060 he's gonna talk

01:26:05.740 to the big cheese

01:26:07.040 today

01:26:07.860 at four o'clock

01:26:09.900 understand

01:26:11.140 I said

01:26:12.340 if the answer is yes

01:26:13.480 how soon can you go

01:26:14.940 and

01:26:16.180 can you go

01:26:17.260 can you leave tomorrow

01:26:19.180 and he says

01:26:19.860 I can't

01:26:20.960 I'm here

01:26:21.860 doing voter registration

01:26:23.260 because it was a Tuesday

01:26:25.140 but if you make this happen

01:26:26.740 I can go on Friday

01:26:27.860 and we can move on

01:26:29.280 what he says to me

01:26:30.560 right

01:26:30.900 I miss people like this

01:26:34.360 yeah

01:26:34.600 yeah

01:26:34.920 and then I said

01:26:35.640 and then he says

01:26:36.580 and you pulled this off

01:26:37.800 I'm taking you with me

01:26:39.100 I didn't say it

01:26:40.700 but I'm thinking to myself

01:26:41.320 of course I'm going with

01:26:42.580 okay

01:26:43.320 I'm putting this all together

01:26:45.320 anyway

01:26:46.480 we got to go

01:26:47.640 he did it

01:26:48.960 he was

01:26:49.320 the government

01:26:50.100 why to Jackson

01:26:50.860 and Jackson

01:26:52.320 put together

01:26:53.080 this interfaith coalition

01:26:54.120 of religious leaders

01:26:54.920 left wing

01:26:55.480 religious leaders

01:26:56.340 from very diverse

01:26:58.100 you know

01:26:58.420 Catholic priests

01:26:59.520 Jewish rabbis

01:27:01.260 Methodist ministers

01:27:02.440 this lady named 1.00

01:27:04.720 Dr. Joan Brown Campbell

01:27:06.020 from the National Council

01:27:06.940 of Churches

01:27:07.540 they were all part

01:27:08.060 of this delegation

01:27:08.760 Jesse Jackson

01:27:10.060 and me

01:27:10.540 and

01:27:11.540 so we go

01:27:13.460 I speak the language

01:27:15.120 and you know

01:27:15.760 they're very

01:27:16.420 understandably mistrustful

01:27:17.840 of America

01:27:18.280 because we're bombing them

01:27:19.300 bombs were falling

01:27:20.440 while we were there

01:27:21.220 they wouldn't stop the bombing

01:27:22.300 the Clinton administration

01:27:23.520 kept trying to squeeze us

01:27:24.580 Jackson

01:27:24.920 I guess he's able

01:27:26.300 to procure things

01:27:27.180 he got like a plane

01:27:28.760 he got like a commercial plane

01:27:30.840 World Air

01:27:31.600 you'll appreciate this story

01:27:32.800 World Airways

01:27:34.020 and we're supposed to leave

01:27:35.260 on Saturday

01:27:35.880 and

01:27:36.980 and then

01:27:38.260 Friday evening

01:27:39.200 I get a phone call

01:27:40.040 from his aide

01:27:41.380 and he said

01:27:41.860 we got to postpone our trip

01:27:43.500 because

01:27:43.940 I said why

01:27:45.440 he goes

01:27:45.680 well the CEO of World Airways

01:27:47.500 called the reverend

01:27:48.700 and said

01:27:49.140 they got to

01:27:50.340 can't let us have the plane

01:27:51.820 until they get war insurance

01:27:52.840 on it

01:27:53.400 okay

01:27:53.920 so the next day

01:27:55.580 my wife sees me

01:27:56.220 she says

01:27:56.380 I thought you were

01:27:56.840 getting ready to go to

01:27:57.600 Serbia

01:27:58.620 Patty 0.89

01:27:59.680 and our baby Amy

01:28:00.720 was just

01:28:01.140 our first one

01:28:01.580 was two years old

01:28:02.920 and I said

01:28:03.880 no it's been delayed

01:28:05.280 something about war insurance

01:28:06.700 and then it clicked

01:28:07.860 Patty 0.89

01:28:08.700 said

01:28:09.440 war insurance

01:28:10.140 I said

01:28:10.460 yeah we're flying

01:28:11.040 into a war zone

01:28:11.920 they don't want us

01:28:12.780 to give us a plane

01:28:13.520 and so then she

01:28:14.680 quietly calls

01:28:15.520 our insurance agent

01:28:16.520 neighborhood insurance agent

01:28:17.720 State Farm

01:28:18.240 says if my husband

01:28:19.560 voluntarily goes into

01:28:20.640 a war zone

01:28:21.140 and gets killed

01:28:21.760 do I still get

01:28:23.480 his life insurance

01:28:24.300 right

01:28:26.200 and he's

01:28:27.440 they checked

01:28:28.000 he got back to her

01:28:28.700 and said

01:28:28.920 yeah he's covered

01:28:29.740 and she said

01:28:30.620 okay I love you

01:28:31.260 good luck

01:28:31.860 wish you luck

01:28:33.140 right

01:28:34.400 maybe

01:28:36.480 well I don't know

01:28:37.740 the real explanation

01:28:38.940 that would explain

01:28:40.620 why we pushed

01:28:41.600 NATO to bomb Serbia

01:28:42.660 but I do know

01:28:44.040 that we killed 0.99

01:28:44.480 a ton of Christians 0.99

01:28:45.200 we took the

01:28:45.900 we

01:28:46.740 in Kosovo

01:28:47.420 the Serbs

01:28:47.920 they were ethnically

01:28:49.120 cleansed in Kosovo

01:28:49.920 oh I'm aware

01:28:50.480 yeah

01:28:50.840 so the US

01:28:51.960 but it does seem

01:28:53.080 like a lot of our

01:28:53.760 interventions wind up 0.83

01:28:55.100 killing Christians 1.00

01:28:56.340 from 1.00

01:28:56.860 the bomb on Nagasaki

01:28:58.580 which was not a

01:28:59.200 military significant place

01:29:00.300 but it was the center

01:29:01.100 of Christianity

01:29:01.940 in Japan

01:29:02.540 oh

01:29:03.140 to the war in Iraq

01:29:04.820 that basically ended

01:29:05.940 the Christian population

01:29:06.920 of Iraq

01:29:07.520 to Syria

01:29:08.840 to Gaza

01:29:09.760 to Serbia

01:29:11.020 it seems like

01:29:12.160 one thread that connects

01:29:13.020 all of those 0.99

01:29:13.740 is the killing of Christians 1.00

01:29:15.000 by the US government

01:29:15.860 has you thought of that

01:29:17.100 I haven't

01:29:18.420 but I

01:29:18.820 I didn't know that

01:29:19.980 about Nagasaki

01:29:20.560 but that's really

01:29:21.400 it's interesting

01:29:22.580 the bomb landed

01:29:23.040 on the church

01:29:23.640 the majority of Christians

01:29:25.420 in Japan

01:29:25.860 lived in Nagasaki

01:29:26.800 and the majority

01:29:28.420 of them were killed

01:29:29.080 if you're asking me

01:29:30.640 to speculate

01:29:31.040 on why that might be

01:29:31.840 the case

01:29:32.260 I don't think

01:29:32.740 it's so much

01:29:33.220 of a desire

01:29:34.200 to hurt Christians 1.00

01:29:34.860 as it is 0.78

01:29:35.420 if we got to hurt anybody 0.70

01:29:36.640 we'll hurt the Christians 1.00

01:29:37.480 and not the other groups

01:29:38.340 because it's politically

01:29:39.200 incorrect if we hurt

01:29:40.160 the other groups

01:29:40.740 and they won't complain

01:29:41.460 because they're Christians

01:29:42.040 yeah

01:29:42.280 I think that's right

01:29:43.340 but we did kill 0.99

01:29:43.940 a ton of Christians 0.99

01:29:44.580 in the Balkans

01:29:45.940 oh there's no doubt

01:29:47.340 about it

01:29:47.820 and it was really

01:29:49.260 maddening

01:29:49.740 because you know

01:29:50.580 these otherwise

01:29:52.040 liberal democrats

01:29:53.060 who were

01:29:54.180 it turned out

01:29:55.340 I think right on Vietnam 0.92

01:29:56.380 that was wrong

01:29:57.200 the wrong war

01:29:57.840 and how to get out

01:29:58.560 of that

01:29:58.780 was the issue

01:29:59.420 and I think Nixon

01:29:59.940 frankly did the best

01:30:00.720 he could

01:30:01.020 under the circumstances

01:30:02.560 a war started

01:30:03.180 by Johnson

01:30:03.800 but now suddenly

01:30:06.320 they were all war hawks 0.95

01:30:07.460 all these liberal democrats

01:30:09.540 were war hawks

01:30:10.960 against Serbia

01:30:11.660 in 1999

01:30:12.380 it was sickening

01:30:13.160 and I had to work 0.62

01:30:13.640 with these people

01:30:14.220 you know

01:30:14.580 and

01:30:15.560 well that was just

01:30:16.540 a foretaste

01:30:17.720 of the world

01:30:19.260 to come

01:30:19.760 wasn't it

01:30:20.240 it really was

01:30:20.880 and you know

01:30:21.700 so I wrote an op-ed

01:30:23.440 for the Washington Post

01:30:24.300 at the time

01:30:24.780 suggesting that they

01:30:25.800 they should partition

01:30:26.840 Kosovo then

01:30:27.840 and stop the bombing

01:30:28.760 stop the killing

01:30:29.520 the bombing

01:30:30.580 of a sovereign country

01:30:31.380 partition that country

01:30:32.480 protect the

01:30:33.080 orthodox monasteries

01:30:34.520 the Christian orthodox monasteries

01:30:35.980 that are so vital

01:30:36.880 to the Serbian experience

01:30:38.020 because Kosovo

01:30:38.860 in the Serbian history

01:30:41.320 is historic

01:30:42.740 it's

01:30:43.340 it is to Serbs 0.99

01:30:44.580 what like Israel

01:30:45.280 is to Jews

01:30:45.960 and they had lost

01:30:47.560 this battle

01:30:48.060 in the 14th

01:30:48.980 1300s

01:30:49.900 against the Turks 0.95

01:30:50.880 the Ottoman Turks

01:30:51.520 500 years of enslavement

01:30:52.780 after that

01:30:53.280 you know

01:30:53.940 the Ottoman control

01:30:54.880 and the battle of Kosovo

01:30:56.640 is central

01:30:57.260 to the Serbian

01:30:58.060 history and culture

01:30:59.060 I'm American born

01:31:00.500 and I didn't really

01:31:01.120 understand it

01:31:02.000 but I got a much

01:31:02.900 better appreciation

01:31:03.600 of it during that war

01:31:04.920 and so I suggested this

01:31:06.780 as the bombing

01:31:07.960 was going on

01:31:09.160 and the American people

01:31:10.060 really never understood

01:31:10.820 why we were doing it

01:31:11.860 Clinton was losing support

01:31:13.420 and particularly

01:31:14.540 with the black caucus

01:31:15.740 being against it

01:31:16.520 and leaders like Jackson

01:31:17.320 speaking out against it

01:31:18.480 that's why he was so vital

01:31:19.780 going there

01:31:20.300 and making the deal

01:31:21.020 to get the soldiers back

01:31:21.880 which we successfully

01:31:22.620 got those soldiers back

01:31:23.580 Jackson and I

01:31:24.300 what happened

01:31:26.920 was that

01:31:28.020 they had to

01:31:29.420 they had to justify

01:31:31.080 this war

01:31:31.480 so they went

01:31:31.960 extremely hard

01:31:33.040 in trying to demonize

01:31:34.260 the Serbs

01:31:35.040 without any kind of

01:31:36.660 honest analysis

01:31:37.720 of the complexities

01:31:38.900 of those issues

01:31:39.820 over there

01:31:40.400 and

01:31:41.340 it's really galling

01:31:43.100 and Wesley Clark

01:31:43.820 the general

01:31:44.280 was the one running

01:31:45.100 oh I'm very aware

01:31:46.200 of that

01:31:46.460 and I'm told

01:31:46.920 he's doing business

01:31:47.600 there in Kosovo now

01:31:48.580 that's

01:31:49.040 if that's true

01:31:49.800 that's sickening

01:31:50.880 he's a 0.99

01:31:51.940 he's a sickening person 0.99

01:31:53.240 a totally hollow 0.99

01:31:54.540 clever but not wise

01:31:56.780 ruthless human being

01:31:58.500 yeah 0.99

01:31:58.800 so

01:32:00.700 last question

01:32:03.400 just to

01:32:04.040 circle

01:32:04.760 back to where we began

01:32:06.240 and that's the

01:32:07.180 condition of your party

01:32:08.200 I don't think

01:32:10.360 it's an overstatement

01:32:11.100 to say born in the

01:32:11.920 Democratic Party

01:32:12.620 rose to

01:32:13.540 you know

01:32:14.160 the top of it

01:32:15.100 when you see

01:32:16.500 Kamala Harris

01:32:17.240 on the road

01:32:17.860 campaigning with

01:32:18.700 Dick Cheney's 0.99

01:32:19.420 repulsive daughter 0.99

01:32:20.200 what do you think

01:32:21.640 that ain't my

01:32:23.240 Democratic Party

01:32:24.020 right

01:32:25.620 Dick Cheney

01:32:27.460 is now

01:32:27.900 a Democrat

01:32:29.100 I mean

01:32:30.020 it's incredible

01:32:30.540 it is sickening

01:32:31.180 that's another

01:32:31.780 sickening thing

01:32:32.560 and

01:32:33.340 but

01:32:33.680 the good news is

01:32:35.040 it just shows you

01:32:35.900 how

01:32:36.220 politic is being

01:32:37.880 realigned

01:32:38.320 in America

01:32:39.540 today

01:32:39.980 and those

01:32:41.020 traditional

01:32:41.520 Democrat

01:32:42.140 working class

01:32:43.220 voters

01:32:43.700 everyday ordinary

01:32:44.940 people

01:32:45.360 I talked about

01:32:45.900 them before

01:32:46.260 the silent majority

01:32:47.120 including a much

01:32:48.460 larger number

01:32:48.980 of black people

01:32:49.680 than even the polls

01:32:50.780 are reflecting

01:32:51.380 yes

01:32:51.780 and Latinos

01:32:52.620 I predict

01:32:53.560 Trump

01:32:53.940 across the country

01:32:55.600 will have

01:32:56.500 actually win a

01:32:57.400 majority of the

01:32:58.000 Latino vote

01:32:58.540 in this election

01:32:59.080 and the beauty

01:32:59.860 about the Latino

01:33:00.620 vote

01:33:00.940 they remind me

01:33:01.480 so much

01:33:01.820 of the immigrant 0.94

01:33:02.460 back

01:33:02.840 in my background

01:33:03.720 God fearing

01:33:05.020 hard working

01:33:05.820 family oriented

01:33:06.900 most

01:33:08.420 families are like 1.00

01:33:09.680 that

01:33:09.820 who come here

01:33:10.240 legally

01:33:10.600 and those

01:33:11.260 illegally

01:33:11.640 you know

01:33:12.440 come

01:33:13.020 go back

01:33:13.720 and come

01:33:14.000 back legally

01:33:14.540 and that's

01:33:15.020 what

01:33:15.220 we should

01:33:15.840 all follow

01:33:16.260 our rules

01:33:16.620 especially

01:33:16.940 when you

01:33:17.220 first come

01:33:17.620 here

01:33:17.880 right

01:33:18.300 don't break

01:33:19.120 into our

01:33:19.440 country

01:33:19.800 and the

01:33:20.040 Democrats

01:33:20.320 have opened

01:33:20.720 the doors

01:33:21.180 Kamala Harris

01:33:22.340 all by

01:33:23.140 design

01:33:23.680 but when I

01:33:24.800 think about

01:33:25.200 how the

01:33:25.960 parties have

01:33:26.840 changed

01:33:27.280 those

01:33:28.260 corporate

01:33:28.720 country

01:33:29.180 club

01:33:29.600 warmongering

01:33:30.940 Liz Cheney

01:33:31.800 Dick Cheney

01:33:32.560 Mitt Romney

01:33:33.300 Republicans

01:33:33.860 have a lot

01:33:35.500 more in common

01:33:36.020 with the

01:33:36.640 left wing

01:33:37.340 Kamala Harris

01:33:38.360 wing of the

01:33:39.460 Democrat Party

01:33:40.220 than traditional

01:33:41.520 working class

01:33:42.300 daily type

01:33:43.100 Democrats

01:33:43.700 John F.

01:33:44.220 Kennedy

01:33:44.400 Democrats

01:33:45.020 Robert

01:33:45.300 Kennedy

01:33:45.640 Democrats

01:33:46.260 have with

01:33:47.080 them

01:33:47.320 and they're

01:33:47.960 now part

01:33:48.380 of this

01:33:48.600 new

01:33:48.740 coalition

01:33:49.120 Trump's

01:33:49.540 building

01:33:49.800 in this

01:33:50.020 new

01:33:50.160 Republican

01:33:50.540 Party

01:33:50.860 and it's

01:33:51.060 very

01:33:51.240 exciting

01:33:51.620 I see

01:33:52.280 all these

01:33:52.500 history

01:33:52.800 books

01:33:53.020 that you

01:33:53.240 have

01:33:53.440 here

01:33:53.660 and my

01:33:54.340 reading

01:33:54.820 of history

01:33:55.300 and I had

01:33:55.860 eight years

01:33:56.180 to read

01:33:56.380 a lot

01:33:56.600 of it

01:33:56.860 right

01:33:57.280 is

01:33:58.300 we're going

01:33:59.160 through a

01:33:59.500 historic

01:33:59.800 political

01:34:00.220 realignment

01:34:00.800 these

01:34:01.060 parties

01:34:01.320 are very

01:34:01.680 different

01:34:02.040 this new

01:34:02.660 Republican

01:34:03.000 Party

01:34:03.340 is the

01:34:03.780 party

01:34:04.040 the

01:34:04.220 little

01:34:04.400 guy

01:34:04.740 truly

01:34:05.420 believe

01:34:05.780 that

01:34:06.080 my

01:34:06.620 voters

01:34:06.920 I saw

01:34:07.600 that at

01:34:07.840 Madison

01:34:08.060 Square Garden

01:34:08.680 those were

01:34:09.100 my voters

01:34:09.680 that I saw

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The Tucker Carlson Show - October 30, 2024

Rod Blagojevich： Kamala’s Corruption, & the Real Cause of the Democrat Party’s Spiral Into Insanity

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