The Tucker Carlson Show - Rupert Lowe Warns of the Globalist Agenda Destroying the West and the Revolution Soon to Come

00:00:00.000 Thank you for doing this.

00:00:30.300 So the similarities between the U.S. and Great Britain are very obvious, often remarked upon.

00:00:35.580 But the one I notice the most is whenever you talk to people here, they say exactly what people in the U.S. say, which is nothing changes.

00:00:43.020 It doesn't matter if you vote for Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak or Keir Starmer.

00:00:48.240 It was different parties, Tory, Labour, same result.

00:00:52.900 What is that?

00:00:53.700 Well, I think, Tucker, basically it's our democracy's gone badly wrong.

00:01:00.000 So what happened is we are the mother of all parliaments and we effectively were the genesis of true democracy.

00:01:08.080 I mean, forget the Greeks for now, but let's just say we are modern democracy.

00:01:13.220 Democracy at scale.

00:01:14.380 Athenian democracy was tiny.

00:01:15.900 Yeah, but this is democracy at scale.

00:01:17.340 But they had the right concept, I think, and there's some great philosophers from that era.

00:01:23.800 But I think our parliament was structured so that you had MPs elected by the people and they were effectively the people's representatives.

00:01:33.640 So the job of parliament was ultimately to put the interests of the British nation first, make decisions that was first of all and above everything else in the interests of the nation.

00:01:46.660 But at the same time, there were internal rivalries about regional competition between each of those MPs to try and do the best for their constituency as well.

00:01:57.620 But most of them were in some way invested in Britain.

00:02:02.080 They were landowners, they were businessmen, they were peers, they were aristocrats.

00:02:07.580 They actually had a big shareholding, if you like, in UK PLC.

00:02:13.520 And, you know, I look at prime ministers like Lord Salisbury and I look at, you know, men who made great decisions.

00:02:19.620 And obviously, we can talk about Churchill, we can talk about the great leaders, Maggie Thatcher, who I loved.

00:02:24.200 We can talk about great leaders, but I think what's gone badly wrong, and this is why I've set up a movement, not a party,

00:02:31.100 to unite common sense thought and to allow those people who share the view you've just outlined,

00:02:38.160 that it doesn't matter who you vote for, the smorgasbord of opportunities that you've got at the moment,

00:02:43.680 whether it's the Tories, whether it's Labour, whether it's the Lib Dems, whether it's the Greens,

00:02:47.520 whether it's the Scottish National Party, whoever, they're all part of this dying sort of remnant of what was parliament.

00:02:55.540 So I think we've got to have some form of, what in geological terms, rejuvenation and uplift to change the way in which we're governed

00:03:07.040 and make sure that we re-empower the MPs, the elected representatives of the people,

00:03:13.580 and we disempower the people who run parliament, the quangos, the unelected civil servants, 0.84

00:03:20.600 who are largely represented by the permanent secretaries, many of whom I now see on the Public Accounts Committee.

00:03:27.080 The country, Tucker, is just run by people who don't know which way is up.

00:03:33.800 So we've got a dying body of productive Brits who I have the greatest admiration for,

00:03:40.580 who really fight all this regulation, this red tape, all of the oppression of government,

00:03:46.560 of licensing, of regulations, of rules. They fight their way through all this, not to mention huge taxes,

00:03:52.500 which will probably increase dramatically tomorrow, in order to basically debit the productive and credit the indolent,

00:04:01.500 the most extraordinary sort of formula, which is doomed to failure.

00:04:06.240 But so I think we need the people who ultimately care about the country to rise up now.

00:04:15.440 I don't think the way in which our government is structured is ever going to serve them well.

00:04:22.160 So all they will do is go around crying into their beer about the fact that they voted for,

00:04:26.600 as you say, Rishi Sunak, or they voted for Keir Starmer, and they're all the same.

00:04:31.800 There's no real difference.

00:04:33.180 I don't think you're ever stating it.

00:04:34.440 I mean, look at their priorities. They're both totally disconnected.

00:04:37.920 I'm an outsider, but I'm just watching this from thousands of miles away,

00:04:41.020 but they seem totally disconnected from the actual country.

00:04:45.100 What happens here? What it's like? What it looks like? Who lives here?

00:04:48.840 They don't seem interested at all.

00:04:51.120 Well, I think what's happened is Parliament, as I say,

00:04:53.320 whereas it was elected by the people and its interests were aligned with the people,

00:04:58.320 now Parliament and the MPs, an MP earns about £92,000 a year, something like that,

00:05:04.440 I actually give my salary to charity each month.

00:05:06.960 I give it to a great Yarmouth charity.

00:05:09.840 But I think a lot of the MPs need that money, so they've become dependent on that.

00:05:16.740 They've obviously got status as an MP.

00:05:18.640 There's a lot of talk that goes on in Parliament.

00:05:22.940 There's a lot of video calls and meetings in Room P, and all sorts of stuff goes on,

00:05:30.500 and people feel important.

00:05:32.120 But actually, are they delivering for the people?

00:05:34.880 I would argue they're not.

00:05:36.220 So I think we've got to have some form of massive change.

00:05:42.420 And I watch what's happening in the US, and I think we need some help from the US.

00:05:49.700 I think what's happening with Donald Trump and with J.D. Vance and with Rubio,

00:05:57.660 I mean, you've got some great people who are really trying to change the way things are going.

00:06:02.800 I think I blame you partly for infecting us with this DEI nonsense and all the other stuff 1.00

00:06:09.200 that is seeping into the veins of Britain.

00:06:12.180 But I think you've realized that that's not the way forward.

00:06:14.980 That's not how we're going to get the quality of life and the common sense

00:06:18.500 and the logic and the fairness that we used to have.

00:06:21.460 We've got to expunge all that.

00:06:23.640 And the only way we're going to do that is by very strong people standing up

00:06:27.040 and actually affecting change.

00:06:29.060 And I reflect on the US a lot because, as you probably know,

00:06:35.560 that there was a man called John Lambert who played a part in the Civil War.

00:06:39.640 Oliver Cromwell's one of my great historical heroes.

00:06:42.320 Your Civil War.

00:06:43.320 In the British Civil War.

00:06:44.580 Yeah.

00:06:44.720 He and Henry Arson, when Cromwell won the Civil War,

00:06:47.840 he said, he always said, if I lose one battle, I lose my head.

00:06:52.700 The king can lose a hundred battles and he keeps his.

00:06:54.900 Well, he didn't fortunately lose a battle and he won the Civil War.

00:06:58.040 And then they had to work out how to govern.

00:07:00.480 And this guy, John Lambert and Henry Arson wrote this thing,

00:07:04.560 this paper, which ultimately guided, it was called the Instrument of Power.

00:07:11.160 And its job was to effectively separate the powers that Cromwell was going to have

00:07:16.480 as Lord Protector and put in the checks and balances,

00:07:18.920 which is what you need in any form of democracy,

00:07:22.340 proper checks and balances that controls any sort of aggregation of power

00:07:27.820 which can be damaging.

00:07:29.240 You need some power, but you don't want anybody to become omnipotent.

00:07:33.540 And this was an incredible piece of work which was then used in our Bill of Rights.

00:07:37.600 And then some of it was lifted by your founding fathers,

00:07:41.700 Jefferson, Madison, Adams, and Jay,

00:07:43.380 who effectively played a big part in writing the US Constitution,

00:07:47.420 which is the best, I think, attempt at setting out a sort of code for governance,

00:07:56.940 which always returned power to the individual states and to the individual.

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00:08:06.600 And here we've got a state that now accounts for 50% of our GDP.

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00:08:16.480 who are doing things which are damaging the interests of Britain,

00:08:20.360 aggregating money and influence to themselves,

00:08:24.020 but damaging the interests of those people they're supposed to be serving.

00:08:27.100 You know, they're called civil servants for a reason.

00:08:29.360 That's their job.

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00:11:08.840 One of the, maybe the biggest factors scrambling every one of these calculations

00:11:12.860 and eliminating the historical knowledge that you just displayed is mass migration.

00:11:17.860 This is very true in the United States as well.

00:11:19.480 It's not just here.

00:11:20.300 It's throughout the West.

00:11:22.480 But what is that?

00:11:24.340 That is the one thing that I notice as a foreigner coming here that does not change regardless

00:11:29.160 of who's in power is this constant churn in population.

00:11:33.980 Millions of new people.

00:11:35.200 There's never been any indication that Native Britons want that.

00:11:39.740 No Native Americans, you know, no one in the United States wants that. 1.00

00:11:42.520 We've gotten it anyway.

00:11:44.580 In my country, they used to say we need to do this for economic reasons.

00:11:47.900 We need the labor. 1.00

00:11:49.440 They don't say that anymore.

00:11:50.340 No one explains why this is happening.

00:11:51.680 Why is it happening here?

00:11:52.680 What's your guess?

00:11:53.320 Well, I think the essence of immigration is that targeted immigration is good.

00:11:57.700 So if you have a leadership of the country that can identify where skills are short,

00:12:03.240 and you can actually attract people who've got those skills who are going to contribute

00:12:07.120 to the economy.

00:12:08.060 We have no dentists.

00:12:09.000 Let's import some dentists.

00:12:09.900 Exactly, exactly.

00:12:10.720 But you need to have a leadership who's capable of identifying where the shortages are.

00:12:17.700 And that's good immigration.

00:12:19.420 It's targeted, it's small, and it basically improves the standard of living and the quality

00:12:25.360 of life for the people in the country.

00:12:27.440 Is that happening here now?

00:12:28.620 No.

00:12:29.280 I was just going to go on to say that what's happened here is it's actually been turned

00:12:32.820 on its head.

00:12:34.040 So what we're doing is we are allowing millions or hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants 0.82

00:12:39.500 from different cultures to arrive by boat.

00:12:42.440 And really, since the war, we've also brought in lots of legal migrants who have, in some

00:12:49.940 cases, contributed, but in many cases, they still haven't integrated into what Britain

00:12:54.960 is and what, you know, we are a Christian country, we have our history, we have our roots.

00:13:00.740 And now we've got sort of pools of people from a different culture with a different belief

00:13:06.040 and a different sort of outlook on life.

00:13:09.720 And that's getting worse.

00:13:11.480 So we are now, and you're seeing this, we're now seeing our best people leaving Britain.

00:13:17.740 So the rainmakers are leaving in huge numbers now.

00:13:21.480 The non-doms who used to be here now have been taxed, and they're leaving. 1.00

00:13:27.700 They don't have to be here.

00:13:28.860 As you know, in the modern world, you can basically do a job from almost anywhere in

00:13:33.240 the world, and what you have to do is create the conditions where people want to live somewhere.

00:13:38.340 And 10, 15, 20 years ago, everybody wanted to be in London.

00:13:41.500 You know, when I was young, London was the place to be because it was deregulated, it was

00:13:46.060 fun, you know, people actually could generate wealth.

00:13:49.760 You didn't have too much oppressive regulation and statism.

00:13:53.500 And gradually, it's been strangled a bit like Gulliver.

00:13:56.440 So I think a lot of people and a lot of my friends are leaving.

00:13:59.360 They're going to live in Dubai.

00:14:00.500 They're going to live in Milan.

00:14:02.400 They're going to live in Montenegro. 0.99

00:14:05.100 It could be Montenegro.

00:14:06.540 It could be Mauritius.

00:14:08.300 It could be almost anywhere.

00:14:09.160 We just sent a whole load of English money out to Mauritius.

00:14:11.880 I mean, they're getting tax cuts out there.

00:14:13.760 So, you know, we've given the Chagos Islands away when we didn't need to.

00:14:17.780 We've sort of, I think, perpetrated.

00:14:20.920 Mauritius is an island in the Indian Ocean far, far, far away.

00:14:23.780 Mauritius is an island in the Indian Ocean.

00:14:25.480 But the Chagos Islands, basically a lot of Chagosians live in Crawley, here.

00:14:30.580 And they didn't want us to, they didn't want to be part of Mauritius.

00:14:35.000 And what's happened is Keir Starmer and Herma and Philippe Sands, this sort of bunch of human rights lawyers.

00:14:42.420 You may or may not know the history.

00:14:43.760 We actually paid Mauritius some money in 1963 when we gave her independence so that she had no claim on the Chagos Islands.

00:14:52.240 Arguably, the Seychelles and the Maldives have a bigger claim on the Chagos Islands.

00:14:57.120 They're 1,300 kilometers away from Mauritius.

00:15:00.080 But these human rights lawyers have indulged their fantasies and at the expense of the British taxpayer.

00:15:05.780 I mean, we don't quite know what the number is.

00:15:07.520 It's somewhere between 18 and 30 billion over the next 90 years.

00:15:11.300 We've literally handed that to Mauritius who have now given a tax cut to their citizens on the back of it.

00:15:17.240 Have you committed a lot of atrocities in Mauritius?

00:15:19.760 No.

00:15:19.860 Why would you owe them billions of dollars?

00:15:21.460 No, it's all about the Diego Garcia base.

00:15:23.600 No, I know the actual story.

00:15:24.980 So, but the Chagosians, a lot of them live in Crawley, here.

00:15:28.820 So, you know, they didn't want the deal to happen.

00:15:33.240 They basically don't like the Mauritians. 0.59

00:15:36.040 But if you take three steps back, like, why would you do that?

00:15:38.900 You would only do that if you hate yourself.

00:15:40.720 There's no potential for gain at all for you, your children, your country.

00:15:46.240 What is that?

00:15:47.360 Well, I think a lot of them do dislike what Britain was.

00:15:50.840 I think they have this sort of hatred of colonial Britain, which, I mean, if you have a hatred of any form of colonialism,

00:15:57.740 you have to have a hatred of the Belgian, a sort of colonization of the Congo.

00:16:02.400 Or the Zulu Empire.

00:16:03.640 Or even France's occupation of North Africa.

00:16:07.920 Well, they still occupy Africa to this day. 1.00

00:16:10.100 They do.

00:16:10.640 No, no, they do.

00:16:11.280 They do.

00:16:12.640 Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:13.540 But I think, no, Britain may have done some things that weren't great.

00:16:19.140 But on the whole, we've, I think, been a force for good.

00:16:22.080 We've left, you know, sound legal systems in India.

00:16:25.820 We've done good things, not bad things.

00:16:28.300 We've voluntarily ended the slave trade.

00:16:31.080 You know, it actually cost us a lot of money.

00:16:33.140 The British Navy was used to police the cessation of the slave trade.

00:16:38.140 So I feel very proud of Britain.

00:16:40.380 I love Britain.

00:16:41.040 And I think these people, these human rights lawyers, I actually despise them, Tucker.

00:16:46.440 I think they're the enemy of Britain.

00:16:48.460 And I don't understand what motivates them.

00:16:51.680 So that's it.

00:16:52.580 It's clearly not a hatred of colonialism because Africa has been colonized at a scale never before seen by China.

00:16:59.300 And they won't say a single word about that.

00:17:01.140 I mean, colonialism will never end.

00:17:02.660 The weak, dominating the strong is just a feature of life.

00:17:05.300 It's sad, but that's what it is.

00:17:07.020 They're not mad about that.

00:17:08.420 They're only mad about the West.

00:17:11.180 Well, in the end, history will tell you that we always return to rail politique.

00:17:15.860 And rail politique is basically power ultimately dictates what happens.

00:17:21.360 Of course.

00:17:21.760 And as you say, that's happening.

00:17:23.100 China is very cleverly positioning herself, you know, in countries which are struggling for money.

00:17:28.780 Obviously in Africa, I mean, her tentacles are going almost everywhere. 1.00

00:17:31.600 And, you know, I think China in a way is an extraordinary economy because you've got this extraordinary relationship between communism and their capitalism, which Deng tried to introduce, which has generated a sort of class of people who, and the Chinese are enterprising people who have generated wealth.

00:17:54.600 But then, you know, you've also got this communist bloc.

00:17:58.500 And I visited, when I was chairman of Southampton, I visited Qingdao, where Southampton's twinned with Qingdao.

00:18:05.700 And it's an extraordinary sort of relationship.

00:18:10.080 So very much the capitalist is effectively in hock to the communists.

00:18:18.360 So they control everything.

00:18:20.720 And if you look at what happened to Jack Maher, I mean, he built an incredibly successful business in Alibaba.

00:18:25.000 So I think that their blend of communism and capitalism, which if you dig deep, all their state enterprises are incredibly indebted and almost bankrupt.

00:18:36.100 So I don't think her model is sustainable.

00:18:38.740 Meanwhile, she's generated huge amounts of foreign exchange from effectively, if you like, she's undercut a lot of the Western capitalists in solar panels and in other things. 1.00

00:18:56.180 And she's running huge trade surpluses, even if internally her finances aren't great.

00:19:02.300 So I don't think her model is a sound model.

00:19:06.260 I think she is actually quite a dangerous influence.

00:19:12.780 She, I think, bears a very long memory.

00:19:16.840 She never forgets what's been done to her in the past.

00:19:20.700 And I read an interesting book the other day by Colin Thuberon called The Amur River.

00:19:25.280 I don't know if you've read about The Amur River.

00:19:26.920 It runs through Mongolia.

00:19:28.540 And it's the history of the relationship between Russia and China.

00:19:31.280 It's a very good book to read, but she never forgets when people breach treaties.

00:19:36.260 It may not happen tomorrow, but it's logged and she remembers.

00:19:39.800 Sell opium to her population.

00:19:40.720 And we've done a few things.

00:19:41.760 We've done a few things that she won't have liked historically.

00:19:44.800 So I think we've got to be very wary of China.

00:19:46.480 I'm in favor of basically liberating what I see as one of the best and most creative economies in the world, which is Britain.

00:19:56.840 And if we can cut away all of the regulations, I mean, when I was young and I worked in the city, London was the, almost the primary center.

00:20:06.880 We had the Eurobomb market. 0.98

00:20:08.240 We had a hugely powerful stock market.

00:20:11.040 You know, we were raising money for people all over the world.

00:20:14.580 Everybody wanted to be in London.

00:20:15.640 Gradually, the regulatory, and again, you have to blame Tony Blair for a lot of this stuff.

00:20:22.280 A lot of the regulatory legislation, it was called the Financial Services Market Act 2000, that basically tied the city down and it started this over-regulation, which has meant that London is now a shadow of its former self.

00:20:35.780 So we don't have a position.

00:20:38.500 I mean, NASDAQ has flown on the back of London's failure.

00:20:42.500 You still have a much more capitalistic approach to your financial markets.

00:20:49.400 Ours are now so regulated that they've become arguably more interested in protecting the value of people's pensions than they have in matching risk capital with entrepreneurs, which is what they should be doing.

00:21:03.740 They feminized your finance. 0.54

00:21:05.580 No, I've watched.

00:21:06.780 That's it.

00:21:07.040 So what is the British economy now?

00:21:11.460 Well, I think the British economy is in pretty bad shape.

00:21:14.420 I mean, I don't even know what it is.

00:21:15.980 I mean, I thought it was manufacturing, obviously, greatest manufacturing power in the world and the greatest goods in the world.

00:21:22.360 Still, like 100 years later, that's remarkable how well they're made.

00:21:26.320 Well, it's a service industry, a lot of it, as you know.

00:21:28.280 Okay, but.

00:21:28.920 And Jimmy Goldsmith talked about this.

00:21:30.240 I mean, Jimmy Goldsmith, great man, he saved the pound through the referendum party where the party's promised.

00:21:36.200 He doesn't ever get enough credit for it.

00:21:39.060 So he spoke very well about this.

00:21:41.660 And it was happening in the 90s, really, when we were outsourcing our manufacturing to cheap labor countries.

00:21:49.340 And he forecast what would happen, which is that we would become a dependency culture rather than a culture of innovation.

00:21:57.800 Because actually, when you've got your factories in different parts of the world, it's there that the innovation takes place.

00:22:04.760 Yes.

00:22:05.100 It doesn't take place in the consuming nations.

00:22:07.600 So I think what's happened is we've gradually been party, or our leaders have, to closing down our economy, damaging the interests of the British people.

00:22:18.520 But the British people are still incredibly creative.

00:22:21.000 I have every faith in their ability if they're cut free.

00:22:25.200 But they've got to be cut free pretty quickly, Tucker.

00:22:27.140 I mean, our view is that if we haven't done it by 29, it could be too late.

00:22:32.800 But you don't have an election until 29.

00:22:34.940 There's not much time.

00:22:36.020 There's not much time.

00:22:36.800 It certainly feels that way.

00:22:37.900 We're sorry to say it, but this is not a very safe country.

00:22:40.660 Walk through Oakland or Philadelphia.

00:22:42.460 Yeah, good luck.

00:22:44.280 So most people, when they think about this, want to carry a firearm.

00:22:47.740 And a lot of us do.

00:22:49.340 The problem is there can be massive consequences for that.

00:22:52.160 Ask Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:22:53.400 Kyle Rittenhouse got off in the end, but he was innocent from the first moment.

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00:25:42.480 Before they're gone, they will be.

00:25:44.020 And they're continuing, by the way, to change the population dramatically every year.

00:25:48.620 So like the calculation changes every year, as does the culture, etc.

00:25:53.860 But I don't think you have an election.

00:25:56.080 I think Labor's in charge until 29, unless I'm missing you.

00:25:58.780 Labor's in charge until 29.

00:26:00.220 But I think the Achilles heel there, possibly, is the economy.

00:26:04.580 So you talked about what is the British economy.

00:26:07.200 The British economy is, as you know, as the American economy was, relied on something I

00:26:14.280 hate called quantitative easing, which is basically getting high on your own supply, as I call it.

00:26:19.260 Free money, yeah.

00:26:20.100 It's basically what third world dictators used to do shortly before their currencies descended

00:26:24.560 into chaos.

00:26:25.360 But because you've got this sort of manufacturing taking place in one part of the world and the

00:26:31.080 consumption in another part of the world, they've been able to get away with it so far.

00:26:34.840 But it's still further hollowed out productive Britain.

00:26:38.540 So I'm very worried about our level of debt.

00:26:41.040 You know, we're looking at a level of debt of around 100% of our GDP.

00:26:45.740 Our civil service pensions are off balance sheet.

00:26:48.980 And there's another, we don't know the exact number, somewhere between three and five trillion,

00:26:54.000 maybe a bit more, which is probably 200% of GDP.

00:26:57.500 That's not even on the balance sheet.

00:26:59.660 We have this accounting system called OSCAR2, which I think is probably delusional in that

00:27:04.600 it leaves off chunks of liability and probably enhances chunks of the asset side of the

00:27:09.480 balance sheet.

00:27:10.960 So I think we're delusional.

00:27:12.600 I'm just waiting for our currency to collapse.

00:27:15.300 And I think when you say there's not going to be an election or 29, we have the budget

00:27:19.820 tomorrow where Rachel Reeves, who seems to believe that she can tax herself into wealth 0.99

00:27:24.640 and prosperity, which nobody's ever done in history before.

00:27:27.860 And I certainly-

00:27:28.400 Who is Rachel Reeves? 1.00

00:27:29.280 She's our chancellor of the exchequer.

00:27:31.460 What's her background?

00:27:32.340 Pretty impressive person.

00:27:33.220 Well, she's, variously, she's Rachel from accounts or Rachel from complaints, or she

00:27:38.940 told a few porkies about her CV, which she seems to have got away with that, as did a

00:27:43.760 number of other Labour MPs.

00:27:45.580 Apparently, it's okay to embellish your CV these days and nobody seems to care.

00:27:50.460 But you're not aware of any material accomplishments in her past?

00:27:53.380 Very, very few.

00:27:54.300 I mean, she's not qualified to be doing what she's doing. 1.00

00:27:56.680 But she's an incredibly, she's incredibly arrogant, I think. 1.00

00:28:01.360 There's a blend of arrogance and ignorance, which is always dangerous. 0.98

00:28:04.820 We have that in our country.

00:28:06.100 So I think the Achilles heel is if the economy starts to really go into reverse, which I think

00:28:13.680 from my businesses, we're beginning to see orders slow, the sort of carryover from the

00:28:20.120 COVID money injections and from what the Tories did in their latter days, which kept the economy

00:28:27.420 going to some extent, although Britain, Britain's growth has been sclerotic for a hell of a long

00:28:33.740 time now.

00:28:34.500 Yeah.

00:28:34.980 So if we start to see a challenge to our ability to finance our deficits, and you probably saw,

00:28:43.620 I mean, our deficit's just out of control.

00:28:46.040 So, you know, it's going up every year.

00:28:50.200 And in the end, if you have a deficit, you've got to finance it.

00:28:52.480 So I always think the definition of credit is suspicion of sleep.

00:28:58.620 So in the end, people who borrow or fund our debt, buy our guilts, if you like, at the moment,

00:29:06.060 they demand a premium in terms of income over other people's debts, over the US debt or German

00:29:11.800 debt.

00:29:12.960 So eventually, what they do is they decide they don't want to buy that debt.

00:29:16.740 And then you can't fund yourself.

00:29:18.380 And then you have a funding crisis, a bit like we had in the mid-70s.

00:29:23.240 And in those days, we went to the IMF and we got the IMF to bail us out.

00:29:29.120 I'm not sure that the IMF would come and bail us out at the moment because I don't think

00:29:35.260 an economy which basically robs the productive to fund the indolent and to fund welfare, I

00:29:43.820 don't think the IMF would put up with that.

00:29:45.920 Well, I'm confused.

00:29:47.200 So you're describing a country on the very brink of bankruptcy and solvency.

00:29:50.320 I think we're very close to it.

00:29:51.640 But you're still importing hundreds of thousands of people every year as asylum seekers, as

00:29:57.660 if you're a global empire that can just like spend money with...

00:30:00.480 I don't call them asylum seekers because the majority of them aren't. 1.00

00:30:03.100 They're economic migrants.

00:30:04.420 But whatever they are...

00:30:05.420 So that's a big difference because...

00:30:06.580 Of course.

00:30:07.320 But I don't even understand how...

00:30:09.960 My country's insolvent also.

00:30:11.840 So I'm not just speaking of Britain.

00:30:13.580 But I don't understand how any...

00:30:14.760 France is probably worse than us if it's any consolation, Tucker. 0.70

00:30:18.240 But I'm not really interested in a race to the bottom.

00:30:20.740 France is Europe's Mississippi. 0.90

00:30:22.720 You can always point to them and say it's worse.

00:30:24.900 But I don't understand how any country that's on the brink of not being able to serve its own people can decide to serve the world.

00:30:31.880 I just don't get that.

00:30:32.720 Well, this is where we're delusional because our own house isn't in order and we spend our lives worrying about what's happening everywhere else, including sending vast amounts of money overseas in overseas aid.

00:30:46.480 I mean, the countries that a lot of these people are coming from, we're sending them aid.

00:30:51.040 I mean, Pakistan, for instance, I think we send 130 million pounds a year to Pakistan.

00:30:58.420 Why?

00:30:58.720 Just one example.

00:30:59.840 You tell me.

00:31:01.680 And a lot of the people are coming from Pakistan.

00:31:04.200 So I think it's just the people in power.

00:31:06.760 They get a kick like Latter-day emperors who used to travel around the world dishing out sort of cash.

00:31:13.600 I think it gives them a lot of pleasure to think that they are these important people dishing out money we haven't got.

00:31:19.800 Does anyone in London ever go to Switzerland in the winter to ski or the south of France in the summer to relax?

00:31:26.960 I know they do.

00:31:27.520 Do they notice all the Ukrainians at the Hermes store using their money to buy handbags for 50 grand? 0.85

00:31:35.140 Like, does anyone ever notice that?

00:31:36.020 I think people have noticed the Ukrainian money that's flowing into Monaco in particular.

00:31:41.900 Exactly.

00:31:42.320 So the number of Ukrainian-registered Porsches in Porsches, Aston's, whatever, in Monaco is massive.

00:31:51.880 This is a country in the middle of a four-year-long existential war.

00:31:55.940 You would think people would be poor, but they're richer than ever.

00:31:59.160 Not the people of Ukraine, but the people buying Aston Martins in Monaco and, you know, spending $10,000 on dinner in Korshavu.

00:32:06.780 Well, that money is your money, my money.

00:32:10.060 Does anyone care?

00:32:11.360 You and I know that some people make a lot of money out of war.

00:32:14.280 War works for some people.

00:32:16.020 But it's not usually funded by other people's taxpayers.

00:32:19.280 Like, war profiteers are a feature of every war, of course, but this is this kind of weird war where...

00:32:23.860 Well, I'm hoping, and it looks like there's some hope that there's been a breakthrough today on that front.

00:32:29.700 I mean, I feel for the young men who are on both sides who are...

00:32:33.300 Definitely.

00:32:34.080 I agree.

00:32:34.620 ...who are needlessly losing their lives, a bit like in our First World War.

00:32:38.600 Yes.

00:32:39.800 I lost relations in the First and Second World War, but I mean, those people, if they looked at Britain today or they looked at America today,

00:32:47.020 would they be prepared to give their lives as they did so valiantly in the trenches in Europe and, you know, Gallipoli and other parts of the world?

00:32:58.760 And many of them, some of them were American people.

00:33:01.640 Including relatives of mine.

00:33:02.960 Yes.

00:33:04.020 Absolutely.

00:33:04.340 So would they feel comfortable?

00:33:05.680 I'm not sure they would.

00:33:06.660 And I think, you know, I've always thought that an important element of what made certainly the U.S. and the U.K. successful was this Protestant ethic,

00:33:17.020 this ethic of working hard, of contributing, of being part of something which is basically driven in order to create a better community.

00:33:27.020 Yes.

00:33:27.260 And I think we've lost that ethic and we've now lost sight of what we are.

00:33:32.860 And somehow we've got to get that back.

00:33:34.480 And if we don't get that back, I don't think the outlook is very optimistic.

00:33:40.520 I think it's not going to be good news.

00:33:42.220 How do you get that back?

00:33:43.800 Well, we're trying with Restore Britain.

00:33:46.320 We see a movement as being the key.

00:33:48.860 So the only way to, I think, show the sclerotic dying organs of power that they need to change what they're doing is for a mass movement to grow spontaneously, which we are seeing.

00:34:05.700 I mean, our social media recently has gone stratospheric, and I think people can see that we are trying our best to highlight the deficiencies in Parliament.

00:34:18.280 That's why it's so important to be in Parliament, because we're able to actually, from inside, expose exactly how deficient it all is.

00:34:25.700 And then with social media, and thanks to Elon Musk, you know, we actually have now got, I think, a far better, freer, more functional platform to get the message of what's happening out.

00:34:40.380 And actually, as you know, transparency is the best cleanser of any system, a transparent sort of look at what's going on, which is why very often a lot of these administrations try and keep things as closed down as possible.

00:34:56.560 I'm always a great believer in, you know, if it's transparent and open, it usually functions a lot better.

00:35:01.980 So, I mean, look, we haven't got long to do this, and I think the people, if they agree with us, need to now show that they agree and actually do something about it.

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00:37:51.060 Some of what's happening here is so humiliating and it's designed to be humiliating.

00:37:55.460 Taking migrants and giving them better lodging, better conditions than native-born Britons, many of whom are poor. 0.99

00:38:01.300 That almost seems designed to infuriate people.

00:38:05.080 It's too unfair.

00:38:06.000 I wonder, does it stay peaceful, the response to that?

00:38:10.480 Well, you hope it stays peaceful and legal.

00:38:14.760 But, you know, we've seen, and again, in response to the migrants, of course they shouldn't be allowing these people. 1.00

00:38:22.500 I mean, we're quite clear they should be detaining and they should be deporting all illegal migrants. 1.00

00:38:26.740 They are economic migrants, in my view, not asylum seekers. 0.74

00:38:31.200 They've traveled through safe countries.

00:38:32.660 They have no reason to be here.

00:38:34.680 And they should be detained and deported straight away.

00:38:38.340 And I think then we turn our attention to people who've been brought here legally, who aren't contributing to the country. 0.97

00:38:44.520 They also need to be looked at and we need to decide how they work.

00:38:48.840 And then we also need to look at the 9 million people of working age who aren't contributing to our society. 0.99

00:38:53.860 You know, they've been told it's okay to have mental health issues.

00:38:56.920 It's okay to, you know, stay at home, not work.

00:38:59.820 What, 9 million non-working, working age people?

00:39:01.820 9 million people.

00:39:03.280 So how could you justify any immigration?

00:39:04.340 We also have these schemes like motability.

00:39:06.720 I mean, the whole country is basically a fraud if you look at it.

00:39:09.880 And so, you know, these people get motor cars.

00:39:13.220 I think I'm right in saying 13% of new car registrations is motability, which basically are...

00:39:18.680 I'm ignorant of what you're saying.

00:39:19.980 What does that mean?

00:39:20.240 Well, motability is like a sort of scheme.

00:39:22.080 So if you've got, if you tick enough boxes, you get a car paid for by the taxpayer, three name drivers, all the insurance, and every three years you change the car.

00:39:31.680 I mean, the whole thing is complete nonsense.

00:39:33.160 You get a new car every three years?

00:39:34.460 Yeah, my friends buy old motability vehicles when they've been used by these people who are on benefits.

00:39:42.780 So, no, I look, Tucker, there's a lot wrong.

00:39:45.180 And we have to have a society.

00:39:47.020 Britain voted for it.

00:39:48.400 Britain, the British people voted in 2016, despite the fact the government advised them not to, but they voted to take back their sovereignty from the European Union.

00:39:57.460 They voted for a British nation state, right?

00:39:59.900 A nation state's job is to protect the interests of its electorate, its taxpayers, its people who live here, who contribute, have contributed historically, who basically fill in their tax reform, write the check, work every hour God gives, try and bring their families up, and try and lead good lives.

00:40:19.080 That's what we should be rewarding.

00:40:21.520 We should not be rewarding an indolent, lazy culture.

00:40:27.740 But as you probably know, the socialist sort of view of life often benefits from a dependency culture because the people who are on dependency tend to vote for more dependency.

00:40:39.380 And this is why I think, you know, the danger in the budget tomorrow is that Rachel Reeves does lift the two-child caps.

00:40:48.820 So, at the moment, you know, if you're on benefits, there's a two-child cap for benefits.

00:40:53.460 She's intending to lift that.

00:40:55.280 And she's then intending to raise the taxes on productive Britain, who can't afford to probably have more than two children, so they can pay for people who aren't working who want to have more than two children. 0.61

00:41:05.920 So, the whole thing is completely arse about face, and I don't know how long it can go on before people do lose their temper.

00:41:14.800 Hopefully, they will join Restore Britain and give us the platform to be able to lobby for change and to affect change now.

00:41:24.000 I don't think we've got time to wait.

00:41:27.500 And I do think if the economic conditions turn down very badly, we will be forced into an election at some stage.

00:41:33.960 It may be before 29.

00:41:35.600 That's the Achilles heel on the election.

00:41:37.280 Where's the fierce island spirit that allowed Britons to rule the world?

00:41:40.960 Well, that is a very good question.

00:41:42.540 I'm not being mean.

00:41:43.300 I'm just being sincere.

00:41:43.800 No, I think it's a very fair question.

00:41:45.900 And I wonder, I mean, has everybody had life too good?

00:41:50.240 Are they prepared to stir their stumps and actually contribute?

00:41:53.540 Because there's no way that a few valiant people are going to be able to deliver this.

00:41:57.520 This has to be a mass movement of entirely—it has to be a spontaneous movement.

00:42:02.640 I think it is happening.

00:42:03.500 I think it's beginning.

00:42:04.160 I think we can see, through our social media, we can see that people are concerned.

00:42:09.160 And I don't think it's a big jump from being concerned to actually doing something about it.

00:42:15.340 But how can your average Britain allow its government to arrest people for saying naughty words on social media?

00:42:23.980 Thousands of people every year.

00:42:25.520 Thousands.

00:42:26.520 Well—

00:42:26.720 How can they allow that?

00:42:27.560 Why don't they surround Parliament, like lift it off its foundations or something?

00:42:31.180 Seriously.

00:42:31.460 Well, as you and I know, free speech is the absolute key to a functioning democracy.

00:42:36.460 You created it.

00:42:37.740 We created it.

00:42:38.340 This country created free speech.

00:42:39.220 We created it.

00:42:39.680 And it's so important to everything.

00:42:41.160 And we recently had a debate in Parliament, because with our membership now, we can—in Parliament, you can have a debate or force a debate in Westminster Hall with 100,000 signatures on an e-petition.

00:42:54.280 So, to your point, the best example of this is probably Lucy Conley, who was caught up in the Southport, in the whole sort of emotional upheaval of the Southport killings, where three young girls were stabbed to death.

00:43:13.380 And I think the country spontaneously reacted.

00:43:17.480 Let Labour say it was some sort of right-wing planned—

00:43:21.160 Only right-wingers object to kids being killed.

00:43:22.980 It's not.

00:43:23.900 It was a spontaneous reaction across the country.

00:43:27.200 So, Lucy Conley posted something ill-advised, but arguably, you know, she deleted it three hours later, obviously after the heat had gone out of it.

00:43:35.580 She said that the people who did this came from a migrant hostel.

00:43:38.280 But she went to prison for 30 weeks, I think it was.

00:43:42.740 Was it 30 weeks?

00:43:43.700 I think something like that.

00:43:44.500 A bit more than that.

00:43:45.160 A bit more.

00:43:46.060 So, she—but she came.

00:43:47.660 We hosted her in Parliament.

00:43:49.020 Did she harm anybody?

00:43:50.840 No.

00:43:52.420 No.

00:43:53.300 I get death threats, Tucker, and we report it to the police.

00:43:55.860 I think I've had eight death threats in the last three months.

00:43:58.760 And we report it to the Metropolitan Police, and the square root of nothing happens.

00:44:02.980 So, I would have thought people making death threats is far more dangerous than people posting something in the heat of the moment on social media that they then redact.

00:44:15.000 But you're a Member of Parliament.

00:44:16.640 I'm a Member of Parliament.

00:44:18.280 Yeah.

00:44:19.040 And you get death threats, and they ignore you.

00:44:20.540 We get death threats on social media.

00:44:22.480 But they took your guns away?

00:44:23.680 Well, I was—that was because reform, for some extraordinary reason, politically assassinated me and made some false witness statements that I had—

00:44:35.680 Mohamed Zia Rudin Yusuf said that I had threatened him in a meeting, which was palpable rubbish, and that I stood over him and I was—I threatened to hit him.

00:44:47.560 Well, I'm 68, and he's 38, so that's a bad idea to start with.

00:44:51.640 And it just didn't happen like that.

00:44:54.320 So, you know, at the end of the day, we had a debate about Great Yarmouth and my branch office in Great Yarmouth.

00:44:59.880 No more.

00:45:00.660 And the WhatsApp chain proved it.

00:45:02.260 But he gave this witness statement, and then Lee Anderson gave a witness statement to say that I was going around Parliament saying I was a very fine shot, and I was going to shoot Zia Rudin Yusuf. 0.94

00:45:10.620 Well, as a result of which, the Metropolitan Police arrived mob-handed and took my guns away.

00:45:16.140 And it took me about five months to get them back.

00:45:19.660 So, look, and they also suggested I had early-onset dementia, which was, again, a pretty unpleasant thing to do.

00:45:27.580 Do they have any evidence?

00:45:29.160 I don't think I've got early-onset dementia.

00:45:31.380 Not that I'm aware, but I obviously—you know, those people who do have it, it's a pretty horrific thing to have.

00:45:36.220 Oh, of course it is.

00:45:37.080 And if I did have it, and they'd said that, it would have been even more unpleasant.

00:45:40.600 So, you know, I hope I haven't got it.

00:45:42.880 Fair.

00:45:43.020 I hope I haven't got it, Tucker.

00:45:44.660 But, you know, anyway, so we—again, fortunately, I'm able to fund the legal costs required.

00:45:50.460 I was able to go on the attack.

00:45:52.800 And I think, you know, what they did was just morally and in every other way wrong.

00:46:01.680 But this country, its authorities can just show up and take your guns without producing a conviction, putting you on trial, proving you did anything wrong.

00:46:09.720 No, this country is going badly wrong.

00:46:11.440 I mean, it is going badly wrong.

00:46:13.680 But I think that's probably a symptom of the fact, you know, we've lost our way.

00:46:19.460 People aren't as principled as they used to be.

00:46:22.860 And ultimately, it's a function of statism.

00:46:27.500 I mean, it used to happen in the Soviet Union.

00:46:29.980 When you get central planning and you get Stasi-like behavior, you get little people making malign decisions behind closed doors and damaging the interests of the good people.

00:46:43.500 So I always say in Russia, when the USSR, that the qualification you needed to best survive was to be a very good liar. 0.75

00:46:51.180 And I think as a result of that, you know, your entire fabric of your society starts to fall apart, which is what happened with them.

00:46:57.980 Nobody takes any responsibility.

00:46:59.680 And then, what was it, a generation and a half later, the whole thing imploded.

00:47:03.140 But on the way, a lot of people died and a lot of people had a, you know, pretty hellish life.

00:47:09.980 Not least one of my favorite characters, Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

00:47:13.900 Yes.

00:47:14.440 Who I think made some very, you know, meaningful comment about sort of people being free and equal and free.

00:47:24.580 Or not equal and not free, whichever way you want to look at it.

00:47:27.480 So he made some great, great comments.

00:47:29.640 Certainly did.

00:47:30.200 I think we are suffering from too much central planning, too much statism, and too many small people in positions of influence.

00:47:40.900 Last question.

00:47:41.800 I look at what's happening in Ireland, and I know complicated relationship between the two countries.

00:47:48.680 But what's happening to Ireland with mass migration is basically identical to what's happening here in Great Britain.

00:47:56.740 And it's also happening in Australia and Canada and the U.S.

00:48:00.200 It's so close, like almost precise.

00:48:03.900 It's the same template.

00:48:06.360 That cannot be an...

00:48:07.640 Like, what is that?

00:48:08.860 What are the forces pushing that?

00:48:11.900 Well, I think we have to ask ourselves, why did the post-war elite think that this experiment with multiculturalism was a good idea?

00:48:21.800 Yes.

00:48:22.560 And I don't think any of them have ever really answered that question.

00:48:27.160 I think, obviously, Ireland is a function of what's happening here.

00:48:30.920 I mean, you've obviously got the wretched Northern Ireland Protocol, which morphed into the Windsor Agreement.

00:48:35.500 Exactly.

00:48:35.840 Which is a shocking division of the United Kingdom, which effectively was, if you like, sacrificed on the altar of Brexit.

00:48:44.040 So, but on the multiculturalism, again, this goes to, you probably know we've got a big...

00:48:50.200 Can I repeat what you just said?

00:48:51.280 Because I think I want the question to hang in the air.

00:48:52.760 Why did the post-war elite, I think I'm quoting you, decide that this multiculturalism experiment was a good idea?

00:48:59.560 I don't know.

00:49:00.320 No, I think it's a thoroughly bad idea.

00:49:03.220 I like nation-states who interface with each other, who respect each other, who respect each other's culture, and who basically, you know, interface with each other like that to try and create this...

00:49:18.760 And again, does it go to the World Economic Forum?

00:49:20.800 Is it the Bilderbergers? 0.99

00:49:21.960 Is it the Council on Foreign Relations?

00:49:24.020 Look, where does the truth lie?

00:49:26.080 I mean, I find it, probably like you do, incredibly difficult to work out where the truth lies often in our modern age.

00:49:35.380 Most people want to live a healthy life centered around their community and their family, and they want to, you know, be able to wake up in the morning and feel that they've done the right thing by everybody.

00:49:47.080 But it does seem that there is this malign agenda to break down families, to break down communities, to create this multicultural world, where I guess, arguably, a small global elite are able to exert undue influence on how everybody else leads their lives.

00:50:08.180 Because that's the only solution I can come up with in my limited intellect.

00:50:14.360 But it doesn't add up, does it?

00:50:16.280 It doesn't make sense.

00:50:17.980 Honestly, it doesn't.

00:50:19.080 And I remember hearing people 30 years ago hint that there was some multinational or pan-global conspiracy from the groups you just mentioned. 0.98

00:50:27.760 I'm thinking, this is obviously a mentally ill person talking. 0.74

00:50:30.840 And now you just watch the accumulated evidence is overwhelming. 0.92

00:50:33.760 This is not organic.

00:50:35.040 It's not the product of democracy.

00:50:36.260 It's not in the interest of our country.

00:50:37.800 It's not in the interest of your country.

00:50:39.100 And no one wants it.

00:50:39.800 It's not in the interest of Ireland.

00:50:41.040 And none of the electorate want it.

00:50:42.820 So how are we getting it all at the same time?

00:50:44.600 Well, it's a very good question, Tucker.

00:50:45.840 I just don't know the answer to that.

00:50:48.860 But what I do know is the people who care about it happening need to now coalesce and actually start to show those people who are perpetrating this on us that they don't want it.

00:51:00.840 And if that means that they get turfed out of power, that's what's got to happen.

00:51:04.620 We've got to turf them out of power and make common sense prevail.

00:51:08.320 It's common sense we're lacking everywhere.

00:51:11.260 But I think there are, you know, as I said, there are some signs that in the U.S., you know, people are beginning to address it and people are beginning to take action.

00:51:22.020 But it's like walking through glue, isn't it?

00:51:26.400 I mean, there's this malign power base that doesn't lie down very easily.

00:51:32.820 And it's always there waiting to pounce again.

00:51:36.980 Thank you very much, Rupert, for talking to me.

00:51:42.160 That was great.

00:51:42.980 Pleasure.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - December 05, 2025

Rupert Lowe Warns of the Globalist Agenda Destroying the West and the Revolution Soon to Come

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