We are the mother of all parliaments and we effectively were the genesis of true democracy, Tucker says . But I think our parliament was structured so that you had MPs elected by the people and they were effectively the people's representatives . We disempower the people who run parliament, the quangos, the unelected civil servants .
00:01:17.340But they had the right concept, I think, and there's some great philosophers from that era.
00:01:23.800But I think our parliament was structured so that you had MPs elected by the people and they were effectively the people's representatives.
00:01:33.640So the job of parliament was ultimately to put the interests of the British nation first, make decisions that was first of all and above everything else in the interests of the nation.
00:01:46.660But at the same time, there were internal rivalries about regional competition between each of those MPs to try and do the best for their constituency as well.
00:01:57.620But most of them were in some way invested in Britain.
00:02:02.080They were landowners, they were businessmen, they were peers, they were aristocrats.
00:02:07.580They actually had a big shareholding, if you like, in UK PLC.
00:02:13.520And, you know, I look at prime ministers like Lord Salisbury and I look at, you know, men who made great decisions.
00:02:19.620And obviously, we can talk about Churchill, we can talk about the great leaders, Maggie Thatcher, who I loved.
00:02:24.200We can talk about great leaders, but I think what's gone badly wrong, and this is why I've set up a movement, not a party,
00:02:31.100to unite common sense thought and to allow those people who share the view you've just outlined,
00:02:38.160that it doesn't matter who you vote for, the smorgasbord of opportunities that you've got at the moment,
00:02:43.680whether it's the Tories, whether it's Labour, whether it's the Lib Dems, whether it's the Greens,
00:02:47.520whether it's the Scottish National Party, whoever, they're all part of this dying sort of remnant of what was parliament.
00:02:55.540So I think we've got to have some form of, what in geological terms, rejuvenation and uplift to change the way in which we're governed
00:03:07.040and make sure that we re-empower the MPs, the elected representatives of the people,
00:03:13.580and we disempower the people who run parliament, the quangos, the unelected civil servants,
00:03:20.600who are largely represented by the permanent secretaries, many of whom I now see on the Public Accounts Committee.
00:03:27.080The country, Tucker, is just run by people who don't know which way is up.
00:03:33.800So we've got a dying body of productive Brits who I have the greatest admiration for,
00:03:40.580who really fight all this regulation, this red tape, all of the oppression of government,
00:03:46.560of licensing, of regulations, of rules. They fight their way through all this, not to mention huge taxes,
00:03:52.500which will probably increase dramatically tomorrow, in order to basically debit the productive and credit the indolent,
00:04:01.500the most extraordinary sort of formula, which is doomed to failure.
00:04:06.240But so I think we need the people who ultimately care about the country to rise up now.
00:04:15.440I don't think the way in which our government is structured is ever going to serve them well.
00:04:22.160So all they will do is go around crying into their beer about the fact that they voted for,
00:04:26.600as you say, Rishi Sunak, or they voted for Keir Starmer, and they're all the same.
00:17:23.100China is very cleverly positioning herself, you know, in countries which are struggling for money.
00:17:28.780Obviously in Africa, I mean, her tentacles are going almost everywhere.
00:17:31.600And, you know, I think China in a way is an extraordinary economy because you've got this extraordinary relationship between communism and their capitalism, which Deng tried to introduce, which has generated a sort of class of people who, and the Chinese are enterprising people who have generated wealth.
00:17:54.600But then, you know, you've also got this communist bloc.
00:17:58.500And I visited, when I was chairman of Southampton, I visited Qingdao, where Southampton's twinned with Qingdao.
00:18:05.700And it's an extraordinary sort of relationship.
00:18:10.080So very much the capitalist is effectively in hock to the communists.
00:18:20.720And if you look at what happened to Jack Maher, I mean, he built an incredibly successful business in Alibaba.
00:18:25.000So I think that their blend of communism and capitalism, which if you dig deep, all their state enterprises are incredibly indebted and almost bankrupt.
00:18:36.100So I don't think her model is sustainable.
00:18:38.740Meanwhile, she's generated huge amounts of foreign exchange from effectively, if you like, she's undercut a lot of the Western capitalists in solar panels and in other things.
00:18:56.180And she's running huge trade surpluses, even if internally her finances aren't great.
00:19:02.300So I don't think her model is a sound model.
00:19:06.260I think she is actually quite a dangerous influence.
00:19:12.780She, I think, bears a very long memory.
00:19:16.840She never forgets what's been done to her in the past.
00:19:20.700And I read an interesting book the other day by Colin Thuberon called The Amur River.
00:19:25.280I don't know if you've read about The Amur River.
00:19:41.760We've done a few things that she won't have liked historically.
00:19:44.800So I think we've got to be very wary of China.
00:19:46.480I'm in favor of basically liberating what I see as one of the best and most creative economies in the world, which is Britain.
00:19:56.840And if we can cut away all of the regulations, I mean, when I was young and I worked in the city, London was the, almost the primary center.
00:20:15.640Gradually, the regulatory, and again, you have to blame Tony Blair for a lot of this stuff.
00:20:22.280A lot of the regulatory legislation, it was called the Financial Services Market Act 2000, that basically tied the city down and it started this over-regulation, which has meant that London is now a shadow of its former self.
00:20:38.500I mean, NASDAQ has flown on the back of London's failure.
00:20:42.500You still have a much more capitalistic approach to your financial markets.
00:20:49.400Ours are now so regulated that they've become arguably more interested in protecting the value of people's pensions than they have in matching risk capital with entrepreneurs, which is what they should be doing.
00:22:05.100It doesn't take place in the consuming nations.
00:22:07.600So I think what's happened is we've gradually been party, or our leaders have, to closing down our economy, damaging the interests of the British people.
00:22:18.520But the British people are still incredibly creative.
00:22:21.000I have every faith in their ability if they're cut free.
00:22:25.200But they've got to be cut free pretty quickly, Tucker.
00:22:27.140I mean, our view is that if we haven't done it by 29, it could be too late.
00:22:32.800But you don't have an election until 29.
00:30:32.720Well, this is where we're delusional because our own house isn't in order and we spend our lives worrying about what's happening everywhere else, including sending vast amounts of money overseas in overseas aid.
00:30:46.480I mean, the countries that a lot of these people are coming from, we're sending them aid.
00:30:51.040I mean, Pakistan, for instance, I think we send 130 million pounds a year to Pakistan.
00:32:39.800I lost relations in the First and Second World War, but I mean, those people, if they looked at Britain today or they looked at America today,
00:32:47.020would they be prepared to give their lives as they did so valiantly in the trenches in Europe and, you know, Gallipoli and other parts of the world?
00:32:58.760And many of them, some of them were American people.
00:33:06.660And I think, you know, I've always thought that an important element of what made certainly the U.S. and the U.K. successful was this Protestant ethic,
00:33:17.020this ethic of working hard, of contributing, of being part of something which is basically driven in order to create a better community.
00:33:48.860So the only way to, I think, show the sclerotic dying organs of power that they need to change what they're doing is for a mass movement to grow spontaneously, which we are seeing.
00:34:05.700I mean, our social media recently has gone stratospheric, and I think people can see that we are trying our best to highlight the deficiencies in Parliament.
00:34:18.280That's why it's so important to be in Parliament, because we're able to actually, from inside, expose exactly how deficient it all is.
00:34:25.700And then with social media, and thanks to Elon Musk, you know, we actually have now got, I think, a far better, freer, more functional platform to get the message of what's happening out.
00:34:40.380And actually, as you know, transparency is the best cleanser of any system, a transparent sort of look at what's going on, which is why very often a lot of these administrations try and keep things as closed down as possible.
00:34:56.560I'm always a great believer in, you know, if it's transparent and open, it usually functions a lot better.
00:35:01.980So, I mean, look, we haven't got long to do this, and I think the people, if they agree with us, need to now show that they agree and actually do something about it.
00:35:13.220And I say to my friends, and I, you know, that they've had life too good.
00:35:17.500They have leveraged off the back of the people who did fight in the war, who did create this post-war respect for the US, for the UK, for the winners, for the Anglo-Saxon sort of alliance.
00:35:34.920And in that, I obviously include New Zealand and Australia and India to some extent, other parts of the world who fought for freedom.
00:35:43.220So, I think we've got to stand up and be counted.
00:35:45.720I don't think we can all sit back and think it's going to be okay, and it's somebody else's problem.
00:35:50.380It's going to be everybody's problem soon.
00:39:20.240Well, motability is like a sort of scheme.
00:39:22.080So if you've got, if you tick enough boxes, you get a car paid for by the taxpayer, three name drivers, all the insurance, and every three years you change the car.
00:39:31.680I mean, the whole thing is complete nonsense.
00:39:48.400Britain, the British people voted in 2016, despite the fact the government advised them not to, but they voted to take back their sovereignty from the European Union.
00:39:57.460They voted for a British nation state, right?
00:39:59.900A nation state's job is to protect the interests of its electorate, its taxpayers, its people who live here, who contribute, have contributed historically, who basically fill in their tax reform, write the check, work every hour God gives, try and bring their families up, and try and lead good lives.
00:40:21.520We should not be rewarding an indolent, lazy culture.
00:40:27.740But as you probably know, the socialist sort of view of life often benefits from a dependency culture because the people who are on dependency tend to vote for more dependency.
00:40:39.380And this is why I think, you know, the danger in the budget tomorrow is that Rachel Reeves does lift the two-child caps.
00:40:48.820So, at the moment, you know, if you're on benefits, there's a two-child cap for benefits.
00:40:55.280And she's then intending to raise the taxes on productive Britain, who can't afford to probably have more than two children, so they can pay for people who aren't working who want to have more than two children.
00:41:05.920So, the whole thing is completely arse about face, and I don't know how long it can go on before people do lose their temper.
00:41:14.800Hopefully, they will join Restore Britain and give us the platform to be able to lobby for change and to affect change now.
00:42:41.160And we recently had a debate in Parliament, because with our membership now, we can—in Parliament, you can have a debate or force a debate in Westminster Hall with 100,000 signatures on an e-petition.
00:42:54.280So, to your point, the best example of this is probably Lucy Conley, who was caught up in the Southport, in the whole sort of emotional upheaval of the Southport killings, where three young girls were stabbed to death.
00:43:13.380And I think the country spontaneously reacted.
00:43:17.480Let Labour say it was some sort of right-wing planned—
00:43:21.160Only right-wingers object to kids being killed.
00:43:23.900It was a spontaneous reaction across the country.
00:43:27.200So, Lucy Conley posted something ill-advised, but arguably, you know, she deleted it three hours later, obviously after the heat had gone out of it.
00:43:35.580She said that the people who did this came from a migrant hostel.
00:43:38.280But she went to prison for 30 weeks, I think it was.
00:43:53.300I get death threats, Tucker, and we report it to the police.
00:43:55.860I think I've had eight death threats in the last three months.
00:43:58.760And we report it to the Metropolitan Police, and the square root of nothing happens.
00:44:02.980So, I would have thought people making death threats is far more dangerous than people posting something in the heat of the moment on social media that they then redact.
00:44:23.680Well, I was—that was because reform, for some extraordinary reason, politically assassinated me and made some false witness statements that I had—
00:44:35.680Mohamed Zia Rudin Yusuf said that I had threatened him in a meeting, which was palpable rubbish, and that I stood over him and I was—I threatened to hit him.
00:44:47.560Well, I'm 68, and he's 38, so that's a bad idea to start with.
00:45:02.260But he gave this witness statement, and then Lee Anderson gave a witness statement to say that I was going around Parliament saying I was a very fine shot, and I was going to shoot Zia Rudin Yusuf.
00:45:10.620Well, as a result of which, the Metropolitan Police arrived mob-handed and took my guns away.
00:45:16.140And it took me about five months to get them back.
00:45:19.660So, look, and they also suggested I had early-onset dementia, which was, again, a pretty unpleasant thing to do.
00:45:52.800And I think, you know, what they did was just morally and in every other way wrong.
00:46:01.680But this country, its authorities can just show up and take your guns without producing a conviction, putting you on trial, proving you did anything wrong.
00:46:09.720No, this country is going badly wrong.
00:46:13.680But I think that's probably a symptom of the fact, you know, we've lost our way.
00:46:19.460People aren't as principled as they used to be.
00:46:22.860And ultimately, it's a function of statism.
00:46:27.500I mean, it used to happen in the Soviet Union.
00:46:29.980When you get central planning and you get Stasi-like behavior, you get little people making malign decisions behind closed doors and damaging the interests of the good people.
00:46:43.500So I always say in Russia, when the USSR, that the qualification you needed to best survive was to be a very good liar.
00:46:51.180And I think as a result of that, you know, your entire fabric of your society starts to fall apart, which is what happened with them.
00:49:00.320No, I think it's a thoroughly bad idea.
00:49:03.220I like nation-states who interface with each other, who respect each other, who respect each other's culture, and who basically, you know, interface with each other like that to try and create this...
00:49:18.760And again, does it go to the World Economic Forum?
00:49:26.080I mean, I find it, probably like you do, incredibly difficult to work out where the truth lies often in our modern age.
00:49:35.380Most people want to live a healthy life centered around their community and their family, and they want to, you know, be able to wake up in the morning and feel that they've done the right thing by everybody.
00:49:47.080But it does seem that there is this malign agenda to break down families, to break down communities, to create this multicultural world, where I guess, arguably, a small global elite are able to exert undue influence on how everybody else leads their lives.
00:50:08.180Because that's the only solution I can come up with in my limited intellect.
00:50:19.080And I remember hearing people 30 years ago hint that there was some multinational or pan-global conspiracy from the groups you just mentioned.
00:50:27.760I'm thinking, this is obviously a mentally ill person talking.
00:50:30.840And now you just watch the accumulated evidence is overwhelming.
00:50:48.860But what I do know is the people who care about it happening need to now coalesce and actually start to show those people who are perpetrating this on us that they don't want it.
00:51:00.840And if that means that they get turfed out of power, that's what's got to happen.
00:51:04.620We've got to turf them out of power and make common sense prevail.
00:51:08.320It's common sense we're lacking everywhere.
00:51:11.260But I think there are, you know, as I said, there are some signs that in the U.S., you know, people are beginning to address it and people are beginning to take action.
00:51:22.020But it's like walking through glue, isn't it?
00:51:26.400I mean, there's this malign power base that doesn't lie down very easily.
00:51:32.820And it's always there waiting to pounce again.
00:51:36.980Thank you very much, Rupert, for talking to me.