The Tucker Carlson Show - Russell Brand

00:00:00.000 back in september media outlets around the world almost all of them here in the west in the english

00:00:15.680 speaking world ran headlines that shocked a lot of readers and viewers russell brand the movie star

00:00:21.520 the comedian now the podcaster was a sex criminal a bad man a sex criminal now none of the outlets

00:00:29.760 ran the names of the accusers who had been sexually abused by russell brand that was conspicuously

00:00:35.520 absent but the judgment was overwhelming this is a very bad man and he needs to be taken out of public

00:00:40.800 view for the sake of the rest of us what was interesting about this is that in fact it was

00:00:49.120 the final scene in a long movie that had been playing out for the preceding couple of years

00:00:55.200 outside of public view this was an attempt to make russell brand shut up russell brand has views

00:01:01.760 that diverge from those of most western governments on big issues not small things big issues

00:01:06.000 questions of economic policy and war and peace and they decided we have to make this man be quiet

00:01:11.520 why russell brand well because in contrast to a lot of us who give our opinions for a living

00:01:17.200 russell brand had the capacity to win people over from the other side he hadn't spent a life

00:01:22.720 identified with the far right just the opposite russell brand was a man of the left and to most

00:01:28.400 people a cultural figure everyone knows who russell brand is and so he had the power the capacity

00:01:34.960 to persuade and that was the threat so we thought it'd be interesting to go through in some detail

00:01:41.680 what happened to russell brand none of this has ever been aired before the censorship campaign against

00:01:47.120 him began with governments not private organizations but governments their intel services and their

00:01:51.680 policy makers and as we said it played out outside public view and we thought it would be very

00:01:57.680 interesting and important for people to know what exactly happened and so to find out we are now

00:02:02.640 joined by russell brand himself and we're grateful to be russell brand thank you so much tucker thanks for

00:02:06.800 having me here so um i i didn't know any i just want to say i didn't know any of this and i was

00:02:11.520 i experienced you because i didn't know you as a viewer and i remember thinking boy that is one of

00:02:16.480 the most articulate critiques of the brand new war in ukraine i had ever seen i saw one of your videos

00:02:22.080 on the war in ukraine and this was in the winter of 2022 two years ago um and you were making kind of

00:02:29.440 a remarkable case not against the ukrainian people and certainly not in favor of russia but that there

00:02:33.200 might be real implications for the west if we get involved in a war that is not our own and you

00:02:37.600 i thought said it so well what i missed and i'm now seeing is that in march of 2022

00:02:45.440 you were denounced by an organization connected directly to the u.s government as an agent of

00:02:52.160 chinese propaganda for your views on ukraine so let me just ask you your experience of this did you

00:02:59.120 know that you were being attacked as a chinese propagandist for your views on ukraine i actually

00:03:03.600 didn't and still at this point struggle in to see entirely what the connections are between

00:03:10.160 those two issues and how i would develop and cultivate a strong affinity with china i've never

00:03:15.760 been to china i don't purport to understand china certainly don't advocate for chinese policy i've just

00:03:22.960 got a relatively superficial dilettante knowledge of geopolitical matters in the south asian seas it's not

00:03:30.000 something that i would like to tie my colors to the mask for or be willing to be publicly ashamed

00:03:35.280 attacked and even jailed for so um it happened though yeah and a lot happens on the internet that we

00:03:42.640 miss but these in my reading of it isn't that we haven't by the way talked about this off air but my

00:03:48.560 reading of it is these were the early seeds of a very deceptive plant that flowered more than a year

00:03:56.720 later in september when you were accused of these crimes um and demonetizing and censored as a result

00:04:02.880 of that but looking back so you were um accused by a group called coda story it published a story on

00:04:10.320 its anti-disinformation newsletter now coda story is connected to the uk government but it's also connected

00:04:17.600 to the cia um how does it make you feel to know that you were in the crosshairs of two of the most

00:04:25.680 powerful governments in the world and their intel agencies it seems to me ridiculously grandiose to

00:04:32.640 even imagine that i would stir and arouse the interests of such powerful agencies and groups

00:04:39.440 that the british government if indirectly would spend considerable sums on observing

00:04:45.520 and de-amplifying content that true information shared through our platforms in the period of the

00:04:52.160 pandemic was censored was cited as high risk that companies like moderna had spent considerable

00:04:59.200 revenue tracking our content and again de-amplifying it that dame caroline dynage whose husband is a

00:05:05.680 psyops expert that worked abroad in terrorism before deploying those methods and techniques and to some

00:05:11.840 degree those teams to observe what they call disinformation and misinformation in the uk i

00:05:18.320 recognize that the new emergent media spaces present a lot of possibilities even with your kind compliments

00:05:24.400 about our reporting on the ukraine all we've essentially done is listen to brilliant academics talking about

00:05:29.600 the history of nato and the coup in 2014 in ukraine and putin's explicit declaration that he would

00:05:37.920 prefer let's put it mildly that ukraine were not invited into nato that some of the regional disputes how

00:05:44.640 they're escalating tensions this is information that because of independent media is available and perhaps

00:05:49.760 the function that we our media organization have fulfilled has been to collate that information and

00:05:56.160 convey it directly in an accessible manner to give people an alternative perspective than to the homogenized

00:06:03.200 mainstream opinion which amounts to i've learned over the last few years the amplification and

00:06:08.960 normalization of the agenda of the powerful that no opinions can be allowed into that space and i'm

00:06:14.880 astonished by how jealously it is guarded there are points in my life where my personal

00:06:19.760 self-regard would have loved the idea that i would be considered important enough to attack on this scale

00:06:25.920 to spend this amount of revenue and resources on but i'm now seeing that independent media itself is an

00:06:31.840 extraordinary threat the independent media inevitably leads to independent politics and independent

00:06:37.360 thought and we appear to be at some precipitous moment of radical transition i'm not sure and i'm

00:06:43.600 not sure if anybody could be sure of where this is all heading what the exact teleology is but it seems to

00:06:49.120 be to do with mass centralization globalization significant attempts to control the information space

00:06:56.720 that are so rigorously adhered to and protected that even what you might imagine to be a marginal voice

00:07:02.800 is considered a significant enough threat to warrant coordinated media attacks expenditure on peculiar

00:07:10.000 clandestine non-government organizations and think tanks that take their money from the military

00:07:14.960 industrial complex from the legacy media who by the way when they're critiquing independent media

00:07:20.080 they got skin in the game they're not able to independently assess your work or my work or

00:07:25.840 the medical opinions of joe rogan they have a vested interest in destroying those organizations

00:07:31.840 in the last few years i've learned about the trusted news initiative which has extraordinary connections

00:07:36.960 again to big pharma and sets of interest around the reporting on war that decided and determined that

00:07:43.040 they are no longer competing with one another you in particular come from a journalistic background

00:07:47.280 where it would have been commonplace for the great institutions of american media to compete with one

00:07:52.320 another for scoops the new york times those days are gone it explicitly states on the trusted news

00:07:58.640 initiative website we are no longer in competition with one another we have to curtail and stamp out

00:08:04.400 i think it even uses the word choke independent media and it's clear that there are now sets of

00:08:10.320 globalist organizations funded by government but also corporations that are making deliberate profound

00:08:17.040 attempts to shut down any dissent in an astonishingly aggressive way and to be sort of caught up in it

00:08:23.920 is uh terrifying on one level absolutely terrifying particularly due to the nature of allegations

00:08:30.880 that i've faced but also revealing more importantly it's revealing about the way the way that i believe

00:08:36.960 the world and in particular this space will be affected and the way these events will continue to unfold in the coming years what i love

00:08:42.960 about your critique is that you're coming to all of this pretty cold since you had a midlife career

00:08:47.840 change you're doing something very different from what you did 15 years ago and i'm wondering if your

00:08:53.200 assumptions haven't been completely blown up you're you're a british citizen lived in the country your

00:08:58.240 life how strange is it to know that your tax dollars are being used against you by your government which

00:09:04.480 they are and how bewildering is it to find that the open contest of ideas that we were promised here in

00:09:10.400 the west may the best idea win is a sham yes it's a well i suppose i went into the entertainment industry

00:09:20.880 really with the giddy trajectory that propels a lot of people into those spaces believing that there might be

00:09:27.280 some fulfillment and certainly there would be excitement and when i was a denizen of that world

00:09:32.480 i was fostered and adored and celebrated and facilitated and lived the kind of lifestyle which

00:09:39.360 i think is kind of common for people in that area for single people in my case drug and alcohol free

00:09:46.640 but certainly with an appetite for a promiscuous lifestyle when i was part of it i found it empty

00:09:53.680 and unfulfilling of course as it would be as anyone who's had those kind of experiences ultimately

00:09:58.320 realizes when i departed it as a result really of various spiritual crises or commercial failures or

00:10:05.280 a combination of those events i really felt like a coming home to the type of values that i grew up

00:10:11.840 with i grew up in a normal blue-collar town greys kind of like a place that's like new jersey i guess

00:10:18.240 a kind of suburban outside of the city normal people good values kind of place and what i feel like

00:10:25.520 happened is like well since i've had a family since you know i've got a young son i've got a couple of

00:10:31.040 daughters is i've felt like that i was able to deploy the skills learned through working in

00:10:37.200 entertainment as a man in recovery in a new space and what simply began with myself and my partners

00:10:44.000 is tell the truth about things you care about kind of over time it began to i suppose glenn greenwald

00:10:50.800 the other day he goes you know you shouldn't be surprised that if you attack the most powerful

00:10:54.880 interests in the world the deep state powerful corporations the machinery of war that you yourself

00:11:00.400 are the recipient of tax why does that why is that surprising to you i know but because sometimes

00:11:06.080 it just feels speculative doesn't it you're talking about these really powerful organizations and the

00:11:10.880 way that it's funded and the way that it crosses over and they're malfeasant underhanded insidious

00:11:15.840 activity and then as it starts to become more popular as more and more people realize that it's

00:11:20.480 actually true as more and more people become willing to take back control in their own lives as more

00:11:26.000 and more and more people refuse to consent to being treated in this sort of infantile way having

00:11:32.480 their autonomy and personal and mental and spiritual freedom undermined their connection to their land

00:11:37.760 undermined their connection to nature devoided you start to realize that you're actually operating in

00:11:44.240 quite a powerful territory but while power is very serious and it has to work very hard to maintain

00:11:50.560 its grip so these organizations it is something did it surprise me to find that the british government

00:11:56.720 through the department of culture and media and sport the very person the very people that sponsored

00:12:03.440 the new rather draconian online safety bill personally contacted at the height of these allegations and

00:12:10.880 attacks on me that contacted social media platforms and asked if i would be demonetized but

00:12:16.800 they're the body that regulates them they have the ability to find those organizations they're

00:12:21.040 the very person who is sponsoring the online security bill just yeah of course i understand what you're

00:12:25.360 saying so these accusations appeared there were i don't know if this has changed but at the time

00:12:30.800 there were no names attached at all you were accused anonymously of committing crimes and then your own

00:12:36.400 government which you pay for yes reached out without telling you to online service providers and media

00:12:43.920 organizations and said please kick him off and censor him and take his money away that's is that what

00:12:48.240 you're saying yeah that's for any kind of trial before any proof that you were guilty before any

00:12:54.640 names were attached that happened yeah and it's the same people that are sponsoring online safety bills

00:13:01.280 which amount to facilitating further censorship what a betrayal by your own government well it's astonishing

00:13:07.360 if you regard your government to be in a position of service rather than a position of domination and

00:13:13.120 control but what's become apparent in recent years is what the nature of our relationship with

00:13:17.600 government is that they are there to rule and control and dominate and whilst they may now do it with

00:13:24.400 an aesthetic of care and with the language of inclusivity i believe the threat of authoritarianism is

00:13:32.160 far far greater from those that use the language of liberalism than these emergent somewhat

00:13:38.720 nationalistically oriented populist movements present because they are leveraging that power now they're

00:13:46.160 interested in censorship they're militarizing the police force they're introducing protest laws

00:13:50.400 they're introducing censorship laws through their actions we can observe them through their fruits can

00:13:56.480 we know them we can see what they and if you try to dissent if you try to oppose even what i consider to be

00:14:02.080 a relatively marginal scale then the consequences are severe and immediate and robust and

00:14:09.360 terrifying it i think what makes your specific case so compelling is that if they could do it to

00:14:15.760 you a person who had the admiration of a lot of people who aren't interested in politics and was pretty famous

00:14:20.640 and had some means etc then the average person stands no chance against these forces so with that let

00:14:28.480 if you don't mind can we get specific about a couple of things that you mentioned um the first is moderna

00:14:34.160 which is a drug company it's part of big pharma tell us how you intersected with pharma and what you

00:14:40.240 with moderna and what you think they did to you during the pandemic period we reported continually about

00:14:47.680 some of the clinical trials that moderna conducted and whether or not they ought be deemed

00:14:54.000 sufficiently rigorous to warrant the level of measures that were being implemented if not

00:14:59.440 entirely mandated we talked about a government official called jonathan van tam who was the

00:15:04.640 public face of the government saying you know we should be taking vaccines recommending that the

00:15:11.280 measures escalate jonathan van tam subsequently took a position at moderna we reported on that people

00:15:16.960 within the fda took positions at moderna we reported on that we accurately reported that both

00:15:22.080 fisa and moderna were making a thousand dollars like a second or a minute just like it we reported

00:15:28.480 a lot we reported accurately and thoroughly about the degree to which big pharma were profiting from a

00:15:36.400 situation in which albert baller explicitly said it would be inhumane to profit from this global crisis

00:15:44.240 this meant that we were tracked by agencies employed by moderna they had like us on a high risk

00:15:49.920 category this is the reporting of lee fang from here on his sub stack not just me jay batacharya michael

00:15:55.200 schellenberger alex berenson a number of what you might call anti-pandemic measures voices or strong

00:16:02.240 critics of the way that the pandemic unfolded were under observation from by agencies that were either

00:16:07.280 funded by big pharma sometimes the government and in a sense what i've started to realize tucker

00:16:12.240 is this cartilage between the state and the corporate world is often provided by these unusual

00:16:18.640 organizations that are claiming to be observing disinformation or monitoring but they're actually

00:16:24.960 crushing dissent that's what they're doing in practice dissenting voices are being aggressively

00:16:29.600 crushed by almost any means necessary that media organizations are collaborated in a way that is

00:16:36.240 unprecedented in order to shut down dissenting voices and it appears to me that this is part of

00:16:42.480 something i don't know that we've seen anything like this before

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00:18:28.960 so what you're saying is that these organizations which purport to be independent

00:18:33.440 are not actually independent from government they merely give government the politicians and the

00:18:38.800 intel agencies especially some some plausible deniability some distance yes they're doing is

00:18:43.920 that what you're saying i'm saying that tucker that seems to be the function there's a group called

00:18:47.600 logically and logically have received millions of pounds of taxpayer money and what they do is observe

00:18:53.520 dissenting voices around in particular covid and pandemic measures but they are now working in

00:19:00.640 the united states apparently in order to regard misinformation around election campaigning it seems

00:19:07.920 that that this group received government money in order to control online spaces so if you're worried about

00:19:14.880 the security of electronic voting machines or absentee ballots yes who are denounced by these people and

00:19:20.480 yeah censored by them that's that's precisely how it works and of course they employ former fbi uh

00:19:27.920 agents cia agents in a way i suppose what happened during the pandemic period because of like the twitter

00:19:33.120 files for example we started to learn the degree to which the deep state were involved in the in social

00:19:38.400 media companies the degree to which they were censoring and shutting down information information that we now

00:19:43.120 know to be true which it was you know of course you'll be aware that mark zuckerberg said we did

00:19:47.520 censor true information the category in fact of malinformation is information that's true but but

00:19:52.880 harmful to the agenda powerful well it seems like groups like logically and the public good project

00:19:59.280 are specifically empowered to control sensor de-amplify information that is harmful to that agenda

00:20:08.800 this seems totalitarian yeah control what people are allowed to think is i think that's the definition

00:20:17.520 of it what i've started to i suppose that's what in essence what i've started to feel and report on

00:20:26.080 consistently as you noted at the beginning of this i'm not someone who's affiliated organically with

00:20:32.400 conservatism or what you might regard as right-wing politics although i of course recognize the

00:20:36.880 legitimacy of a whole variety of political views and the right of people to hold different views from

00:20:42.720 one another but it seems to me that authoritarianism now is being deliberately veiled in the insidious

00:20:49.760 language of care concerns safety and convenience it seems to me that we're in a time where we lurch

00:20:55.440 from one crisis to another that the crisis is always used to legitimize certain solutions and a

00:21:02.080 docile or terrified public is willing to participate in this proposed solutions that usually involve

00:21:09.040 giving up their freedom we are continually being invited to give up our freedom in exchange for

00:21:14.480 safety or convenience and it seems that this process is radically escalating and i feel that this is

00:21:21.280 something that we will see yet more of in the coming year i feel like you know you've spoken publicly about

00:21:26.320 this that we're potentially on the precipice of serious and then to use your term hot a hot war

00:21:32.240 with russia and that's being reported on in my country right now it's like we're being prepped

00:21:36.240 groomed primed for war is coming that we're being kept in a state of constant anxiety in order to induce

00:21:44.000 compliance that the ongoing stoking of cultural tension is to ensure that people don't begin to

00:21:51.040 recognize that actually we have far more in common with one another than we do with these curious

00:21:56.240 sets of establishment interests that seem to be transcendent of national democracy to be

00:22:01.600 explicit i'm talking about organizations like the who nato the wf and their astonishing influence

00:22:08.000 added to that the types of groups we've discussed already that have been exposed due to lee fang's

00:22:12.080 reporting these think tanks and apparently independent organizations who are not independent when

00:22:18.160 you look at where they get their money big pharma or the government or the military industrial complex

00:22:22.320 or the kind of people they employ people from deep state agencies such as the fbi and cia that have

00:22:28.160 extraordinary affinity with the legacy media and their ongoing agenda so what i suppose i'm sensing is

00:22:35.360 that totalitarianism now will not bear the inflections or aesthetics of the 20th century militarism

00:22:43.440 guys in medals with mustaches thumping their fists on a desk will be calmly told what with by gentlemen

00:22:49.680 with beautifully coiffured hair or elegantly speaking ladies that just for our safety and just for our

00:22:56.000 convenience we will be returning to our homes and anyone that has an audience or a base or an ability

00:23:01.440 to communicate with people to disrupt those types of narratives will be identified and destroyed

00:23:08.160 well they're certainly uh they've identified you and they're trying to destroy you in the most obvious

00:23:14.000 way in a way that hurts not just you but your family was there ever a moment when this happened

00:23:19.600 in september where you thought you know it's just kind of not worth it to be doing what i'm doing this

00:23:23.840 is so painful and so threatening to my family that maybe i just bow out and stop talking

00:23:29.680 my son was born with a heart condition and while this was happening he was undergoing heart surgery

00:23:36.960 he he was 12 weeks old and i suppose what that did tucker is it revealed that that what we were

00:23:49.360 experiencing was a public concoction i am aware that i put myself in an extremely vulnerable position

00:23:56.240 by being very very promiscuous that is not the kind of conduct that i endorse and it's certainly not how

00:24:03.520 i would live now that i i've been shown a good many things as a result of these events the value of

00:24:12.160 my family the value of friendship the value of being able to speak publicly and i mentioned my son because

00:24:19.920 throughout it i saw i was able to maintain what is really important in life and as you have actually

00:24:28.160 said we all know how this ends attacks like this a crisis like this hurtful though it is to be accused

00:24:35.440 of what i consider to be the most appalling crimes to be accused of this is very very painful and very

00:24:43.200 hurtful but i am being shown that there is a caught there are consequences for the rather foolish way that

00:24:52.320 i lived in the past although of course again to reiterate due to the nature of the world we live in

00:24:57.200 of course i delight deny any allegations of the kind that have been advanced but what i've seen

00:25:03.600 is the significance of family the importance of having values that are transcendent of this the

00:25:09.760 importance of god it's very easy to talk about god i talk about god all the time but when you need god

00:25:15.280 is when the outside world shows you the the the reality of your powerlessness this is this can just

00:25:22.560 happen this can be undone this can be unspooled at you and with our boy and to be in environments

00:25:28.320 as you understandably and obviously are when you have a sick child you're in environments with other

00:25:31.920 people they're in the exact same position yes and you are shown what is real and you are shown what

00:25:36.080 is truthful and you are invited to look at life very differently so there are many things that i am

00:25:40.640 grateful for as a matter of fact even though it's not a situation that i welcome and it's a as i say these

00:25:46.160 are allegations that i object to in the strongest possible terms the fact that it happened concurrently

00:25:51.520 while i had the opportunity to see the strength and dignity of my wife and the beauty of my little

00:25:55.760 son and the reality of the people that in this world that care for sick children that perform heart

00:26:01.360 surgery on tiny babies shows me like oh we there look at all of these realities how can you live in

00:26:07.600 the ridiculousness of their version of events i couldn't have been more open and public about the

00:26:12.880 way that i lived when i was younger i was promiscuous if anyone wanted to have sex with me i'd have

00:26:16.560 sex with them i publicly announced it at the beginning of all shows the idea that that was a some

00:26:20.560 sort of a smoke screen for criminal conduct is absurd but i recognize now that unless you are

00:26:28.400 willing to be a participant in these systems of compliance and distraction then you you pose

00:26:35.840 some kind of evident threat a big threat yeah i mean obviously the response proves the power of the

00:26:41.920 threat that you posed and still do but again just to quickly back to my question because this was so

00:26:47.840 intense and it happened as your son was born and under undergoing the surgery did it ever cross your

00:26:53.680 mind like this i clearly have hit the third rail and i'm out i've seen that happen a number of times

00:27:00.880 have you yes i have and yes with well-known people and but you didn't do that and here you are you clearly

00:27:08.400 thought about it and you've decided that you're going to continue forward was that a hard decision

00:27:12.800 do you sometimes think that there is no choice you have no choice did you ever really yes i do feel

00:27:19.840 that way strongly there is no choice we have no choice something strange is happening something

00:27:25.600 ulterior is moving something very important is happening i am i don't i'm not probably to be a

00:27:30.720 person that lacks self-interest i'm not like i'm feel fear i feel anxiety i'm a recovering drug addict i like

00:27:38.560 you know you know what that kind of psychological baggage that comes with but i feel like um what

00:27:45.520 is the purpose here what are we doing here i've been shown again i've in a way lived a pretty amazing

00:27:50.560 life i've like grew up in a normal background i got super famous i experienced all of that giddiness

00:27:56.960 all of that hedonism found it empty and hollow and have been returned to a position where people could

00:28:03.760 actually be connected i actually feel incredibly optimistic because of things like the ongoing

00:28:07.680 agricultural protests around the world the trucker protests the the lengths that people will go

00:28:13.920 to to criminalize not just an individual like me but whole movements will be criminalized as far

00:28:19.680 right as nazis right as whatever language is required to delegitimize the rejection of this global

00:28:25.600 authoritarianism is what will be deployed so when i say no i didn't think for a second about doing anything

00:28:32.720 different you know i didn't think that i don't think like that and it's not out of bravery it's

00:28:39.040 out of it's something beyond that because i think you know sometimes i would like to just be with my

00:28:44.080 little daughters and my wife and my son and just live peacefully but i don't know tucker it doesn't

00:28:51.360 seem like there's a choice there isn't a choice there isn't a choice but you know even under those

00:28:56.480 circumstances some choose cowardice and again i've certainly seen it quite a bit uh dynage you

00:29:01.520 mentioned a person called dynage can you explain uh what you mean by that who this person is and what

00:29:08.400 role she plays in what has happened to you when you become accustomed to dealing with american

00:29:12.240 politics it's huge sums of money it's powerful agencies that you see depicted in hollywood movies

00:29:17.920 characters played by great movie stars and so when you return your gaze to british politics you feel

00:29:23.040 like you're dealing with some sort of drudgery some sort of like some um like ludicrous heritage

00:29:29.280 porn who are all these dames and baronesses entitled individuals they can't be doing anything serious

00:29:35.280 someone called dame caroline dynage who sounds like a downton abbey regular but actually though dame

00:29:42.480 caroline dynage put forward the online safety bill she's married to a dude that does that does military

00:29:48.480 psyops and now uses those very psyops in this in in with the domestic population she's the person

00:29:54.400 that got in touch with the social media platforms demanding that i be demonetized they seem to have

00:30:01.360 an extraordinary agenda wait can i just ask you something yeah i looked up because i'm not as familiar

00:30:13.200 with your politics as i should be yes i looked her up and um i think what i was so struck by was that

00:30:18.320 she's a member of the conservative party right and that suggested to me that there isn't a choice

00:30:25.440 in british politics there's really just one party of course yeah absolutely it's a uni party they're not

00:30:30.480 even pretending at this point they're not really pretending like here's a sort of an extraordinary

00:30:35.680 thing that appears to be playing out in addition to just being casually informed by the legacy media

00:30:41.600 that we're on the precipice of war with russia and that conscription might be reintroduced in 2024

00:30:48.240 there was a part there was a covid inquiry in our country which by the way i don't imagine for a

00:30:52.720 second would have happened without independent media reporting without voices like jay bacharya

00:30:56.880 who was shut down or voices like michael schellenberger or berenson people that have been shut down and

00:31:02.560 vilified at large and extensively the covid inquiries already cost 145 million pounds it's been booted off

00:31:09.440 and delayed indefinitely but at least until after the general election like many countries there's an

00:31:14.800 election in our country this year but as usual it's between two neo-liberal what you might term

00:31:21.360 centrist parties that are ultimately dominated and controlled by the same concerns where an extraordinary

00:31:26.560 focus is spent on the tiny minute differences but it's the party nominally of the left is ultimately a

00:31:33.280 centralist neoliberal party the party nominally of the right is a neoliberal centralist party

00:31:38.160 they may quibble about some issues that seem significant and certainly those issues are stoked

00:31:42.960 and amplified but neither party will say we are going to have a thorough investigation into what

00:31:47.280 went on in that pandemic that clearly was a lab leak it looks like it was a bio weapon it's been

00:31:53.280 concealed the people that we entrusted with our response to that pandemic are likely explicitly linked

00:31:59.680 to the leak in its in the first instance these kind of stories are never told there are no legacy

00:32:06.000 media organizations that worked in conjunction with one another to attack me evidently and by their own

00:32:11.840 reckoning over a series of years they are not conducting investigations into epstein island they're not

00:32:18.720 conducting investigations into the the nature of the pandemic how it was funded where the money went

00:32:24.480 where it came from the efficacy of lockdowns where are these investigations even the fabled

00:32:29.360 times of london the fabled times of london it's such garbage it's astonishing so there's nobody in

00:32:36.240 and pardon my ignorance i'm peering in from the outside but there there really isn't any big media

00:32:41.520 organization in your country it's even trying to answer the question what was that where this virus

00:32:46.400 come from no one's doing that do you know one of the things i find terrifying about becoming more

00:32:50.560 educated about this space tucker mostly by listening to more educated voices than my own is that many of

00:32:57.280 the things a person might instinctively feel such as you feel like you know yourself forgive my

00:33:01.680 ignorance i don't know much about british politics but the way that one might intuit hey should we not

00:33:06.480 be provoking russia into a war don't they have nuclear weapons should we think very carefully about

00:33:11.440 that i mean how much do we want ukraine in nato and do we even need nato anyway the kind of things

00:33:16.240 you might think if you didn't go to university you're a regular blue-collar person working for a

00:33:22.320 living maybe in the police force or the fire service or as a nurse or as a teacher something

00:33:26.560 that gives real value to your nation the kind of things you might think they're true those ideas are

00:33:32.640 true and in order to prevent you from reaching those ordinary everyday regulations a machine is put

00:33:37.920 to constant work to conquer the space of your attention incessantly and relentlessly filling your

00:33:43.840 mind with dumb ideas and dumb distractions making you believe that some sugar or a screen might be a

00:33:49.840 convenient palliative as your children are marched off into an unwinnable forever war you know like

00:33:56.720 like you know like that i saw we've been thinking lately before you know like with the hoofies and

00:34:02.080 stuff like and like i'm being deliberately glib but it's like you go from not ever having heard the

00:34:07.440 word hoofy to being invited to hate the hoofies or the hoofies we've got to hate the hoofies now

00:34:12.560 and you're like you know just to move a battleship into that region think of the taxpayer dollars and

00:34:17.440 it's not as if the pentagon are going to be passing an audit anytime soon and telling you where this

00:34:22.480 money is actually going and two trillion dollars was spent on afghanistan and if you think of the

00:34:27.600 before and after picture of afghan oh well thank god we spent that two trillion dollars because before

00:34:32.720 afghanistan was and now afghanistan is it's very difficult to fill in those sentences isn't it and like

00:34:38.800 so what i'm saying is is like your sort of easy dismissiveness of what british politics amounts to

00:34:44.560 is probably right two corrupt parties pursuing the same ultimate end keep people tyrannized keep

00:34:50.880 people distracted keep them turned on one another over minor issues that will not ultimately affect

00:34:56.400 their lives or the lives of their children so that the agenda of the powerful can be pursued without

00:35:01.760 opposition war the economy public health food supply so yes water supply i mean these are the energy

00:35:09.680 these are the things that matter and they're the things that are never discussed openly ever why

00:35:14.640 can't we have conversations about that like with the the global farming protest it's not accurately

00:35:20.640 reported on when it is it's reported on with a particular accent and with the always with the

00:35:26.080 insinuation that farmers have suddenly moved their attention from the raising of crops to racism now

00:35:33.200 the farming's more of a hobby i gotta return to my true love that's having strong views about varying

00:35:40.240 ethnicity there's no question that a rise in um nationalism is an understandable response to

00:35:48.080 rampant globalism but the ongoing sort of finger pointing and condemnation of ordinary people i identify

00:35:54.080 with i recognize it because i grew up in those communities professional metropolitan people don't like

00:35:59.520 working-class people don't like ordinary people and now they've found a way to legitimize their hatred

00:36:05.920 oh they're all disgusting they're all racist look at them in their maga hats look at them with their

00:36:11.440 white vans and their flags look at them with their perspectives with their unearned views and their belches

00:36:17.920 and their beer it's a kind of legitimization of a loathing of the people that are most connected to the

00:36:22.800 nation people that generally speaking a couple of generations ago were asked to

00:36:26.640 sacrifice the lives of their sons and daughters for the for the idea of nation an idea that they're

00:36:31.040 now being told doesn't exist for me what we need to see is an emergence of a different type of

00:36:36.000 populism that transcends the boundaries of left and right these things are happening organically and

00:36:40.000 naturally anyway and what i think is happening is perhaps it's odd isn't it because the internet is

00:36:44.800 ultimately a creation of the military clearly they didn't accurately understand that whilst it was going

00:36:50.240 to be a brilliant means for control and clearly that's one of the wars that's being fought now it is also

00:36:55.360 a tool for informing and awakening and i think that we're at this crux point which way is it going

00:37:01.280 to go are people going to wake up to the reality that we are being confronted with or are we going

00:37:07.360 to sort of nervously cling on to the idea that somehow through comfort and panaceas we might hold

00:37:14.240 on to some old life increasingly i think is over i watched some of that speech you did in uh ottawa or

00:37:20.400 wherever you were in edmonton canada and two of the things i thought were important is knowing that

00:37:25.360 you are not god you are not god you are it's not about you you have to have some purpose in your life

00:37:32.000 and secondly people must relearn a connection to their land our connection to our lands has been broken

00:37:38.640 now many countries particularly in a post-colonial world have complex relationships with their land

00:37:43.360 sometimes that is a relationship with a land that had inhabitants prior to the our arrival or the

00:37:49.760 arrival at least of settlers in your country for example or in canada that you were describing

00:37:54.560 outlining but we are divorced from nature we are divorced from our lands we are divorced from one

00:38:00.000 another and and we are fed such an empty hollow vapid fatic diet of lies and either you said at one

00:38:08.400 point oh you should you know this is this vast country you could all have six acres each yes and i felt like

00:38:13.040 oh the crowd responding to that people are frightened of the people of britain or the people

00:38:17.120 of america or the people of canada or australia or the people all over the world for surely those

00:38:20.960 pharma protests are happening in sri lanka they're happening in india they're not just happening

00:38:24.960 in europe or anglophonic countries they're happening everywhere they're happening everywhere and i feel

00:38:30.000 that what's that's precisely the direction we need to return to sovereignty of the individual

00:38:35.040 sovereignty and sanctity of the connection between people and their land maximum amount of power

00:38:40.880 in your own life and the life of your community and your loved ones not this transition of power

00:38:46.960 to increasingly centralized forces and this infantilization and neutralization and castration

00:38:54.080 of individual and familial power can i ask you a question that you may be able to answer that i've been

00:38:59.280 meditating i'll give it a go tucker i'll tell you that well you're just uniquely positioned to answer

00:39:03.040 because you've seen both sides but um so the things that the people in charge hate include nature yes and

00:39:10.160 the class of people who are most useful to your nation you describe them cops firemen teachers

00:39:16.320 nurses all of them are crushed during covet by the way yes um and farmers and it's indisputable that

00:39:22.240 if you don't have those people you don't have a society you could get rid of every think tank and

00:39:26.320 every sociology department and every liberal arts university you'd probably be okay get rid of

00:39:30.080 your farmers you starve to death so it's not obvious why the leadership of a country would hate

00:39:35.360 the very people they need most and hate the most beautiful and valuable thing they have which is

00:39:39.440 nature why do they hate those things it terrifies me to contemplate tucker that people like alex jones

00:39:50.400 and in our country david ike who aside from some views that are impossible to corroborate around quite

00:39:58.240 occultist and shall we call them marginal ideas difficult to corroborate yeah ideas when it comes

00:40:05.280 to the subject of globalization and the increasing authoritarianization of our planet appear to have

00:40:11.120 been ahead of the curve you can see them 20 30 years ago saying with the empowerment of nato the

00:40:18.080 empowerment of world banks and the who like this is extraordinary and it seems to me that the

00:40:26.160 disempowerment of ordinary people the condemnation the demoralization of the public to create people

00:40:33.280 that just are weary and broken and if not enslaved then so dependent it amounts to a form of slavery

00:40:42.320 cannot be inadvertent it seems to be a denial of something fundamental that i in my language i would

00:40:49.440 call spirit the right to be who you are that there isn't something fundamentally ugly or wrong with

00:40:56.160 you that you are allowed to be who you are and i see that as a universal principle that will be applied

00:41:01.200 all the way from the left to the right across various ways that people claim their individual

00:41:05.680 identity now it seems to me that yes if you start to attack those pivotal infrastructural roles i was

00:41:11.440 struck when speaking to some of the people that you work with man that you know that's been a cop for

00:41:16.080 26 years in new jersey 35 years in the security first services like these people that give their

00:41:22.400 lives for a country so to tell those people that your country doesn't mean anything or to alter the

00:41:28.560 meaning of what a nation is or alter what your contribution has been it seems to be about a kind

00:41:33.440 of disorientation and it's difficult actually sometimes the reason i mentioned at the beginning

00:41:37.280 of this rather corroming answer figures that are broadly condemned as conspiracy theorists but then

00:41:42.880 aren't we all these days is the reason i mentioned them is because they talk specifically about

00:41:48.160 ideas to do with spirituality morality and ethics and it's hard for someone like me to consider that

00:41:54.960 the goals of this global establishment are anything other than power finance dominion but when you talk

00:42:01.200 about this loathing of nature whether that's human nature or botany or the great expense it's difficult

00:42:07.440 to think that there isn't something dark yes at its core because there's no rational explanation for

00:42:15.760 that how could you want to despoil nature how could you hate human nature how could you want to hurt

00:42:23.280 people there those are not rational responses to anything i mean there's got to be i mean clearly

00:42:29.840 what we're watching are the fruits of spiritual war i if you can think of a better explanation let me

00:42:34.160 know certainly the solution seems to me to be spiritual and even when they're talking about

00:42:38.320 ecology and evoking words like gaia like the spirit of the planet it seems oddly utilitarian the earth is

00:42:45.600 a resource even when claiming to care about the types of energy industry that might be most beneficial

00:42:52.240 and those which might not be as beneficial i don't see reverence i don't see an acknowledgement of

00:42:59.120 the sacredness of the earth that the the earth is not a resource it's not you know obviously the left

00:43:06.240 and right are classically almost at this point divided around the subject of climate change and

00:43:10.880 what i feel is who or who among us or not love our planet and behave respectfully and reverentially and

00:43:18.080 lovingly to our planet and how is that going to happen if no one has a relationship with it i think

00:43:21.920 like 90 percent of in my country 90 of the land is inaccessible to most people 90 of the land is

00:43:28.160 privately owned like land that used to be commonly held is now all privately owned there has been

00:43:33.520 successive law after successive law that has moved power and control and the land and nature herself

00:43:38.880 into the hands of an elite and it's this i suppose even where it would have been risible you're getting

00:43:43.600 back to feudalism yeah let's get back to good old fear what was wrong with feudalism why are we making

00:43:50.400 such a fuss about it it's like the idea that you and i are people that operate on different sides of a

00:43:56.320 political spectrum becomes exposed as ridiculous when the anti-authoritarian aspect of what we both

00:44:03.680 clearly believe in has to become the clear and pivotal point around which all political views

00:44:10.160 have to now start to coalesce you you are either going to oppose what's happening when it comes to

00:44:15.840 globalization and centralized authoritarianism or you are going to be crushed by individually and collectively

00:44:21.280 how do you see and i'll stop at this um compound question how is how are your family and friends

00:44:28.080 holding up in the face of this assault on you and your family and how do you see this playing out

00:44:34.560 the battle that you just described are you hopeful or no you know like because i've been subject to

00:44:39.920 personal attacks it's very uh one thing like i have a program of recovery i've been in recovery for

00:44:46.000 21 years this is in a sense it's what enshrines and helps me practice my relationship with god

00:44:52.160 it's the most important thing to me the thing i have to most be observant of and have to keenly avoid

00:44:58.080 is is descent into self-centeredness when you're when i am very frightened it's very easy for me to drift

00:45:04.240 into becoming quite myopic and insular what i've observed like in this period from a personal perspective

00:45:12.000 perspective is that um like i'm incredibly fortunate i've got an amazing wife i've got amazing beautiful

00:45:18.080 children that are healthy and doing well i've got incredible people that i work with like oh my god

00:45:24.200 and another thing that's been amazing is like for a month publicly continually i was like you know called

00:45:29.380 the worst names you can call a man and then i got in public and people like russell hey we support you

00:45:35.800 we support you and like like one time i was waiting like sort of like a family with all their daughters

00:45:40.060 that were aged between like sort of 15 and 19 oh can you do photos i was thinking if there were one

00:45:43.900 group that would be negatively affected by what's just been publicly said about me it would be the

00:45:48.120 parents of teenage kids and like people aren't people aren't buying it people aren't buying it

00:45:54.460 that's the problem people are waking up people starting to think well well jesus is there going to be a

00:45:59.740 better example than your former and perhaps future president the more they hate him the more people like

00:46:07.560 him yes the more people like him because what they know is they don't trust the establishment

00:46:11.760 anymore they cannot trust the establishment anymore it i was speaking from the perspective

00:46:17.820 look this isn't the first time i've known personal crisis i'm a drug acting recovery i'm a product of a

00:46:21.840 single parent family i've come from i'm a normal person from a norm from a normal background but what i

00:46:26.740 would say is that in a sense a crisis becomes an invitation a catastrophe is an invitation and it seems

00:46:33.080 like whether you're on the left or right everyone believes catastrophe is coming and it will be an

00:46:37.740 invitation it will be an invitation because if what we're being offered is a slow grind into endless

00:46:43.780 war and more and more authoritarianism and more and more control of our personal lives and our ability

00:46:48.220 ability to worship our ability to affiliate our ability to pray if what's being if what we're being

00:46:55.180 invited to accept is the colonization of the self of our ability to think freely then what we got to

00:47:00.020 lose when all they're offering us is more war endless pandemics that are being legislatively

00:47:05.760 enshrined even now through the who treaty what we actually got to lose i think in a sense that

00:47:12.540 perhaps they are you know if there is one god one all-powerful god then surely that god is at work now

00:47:19.380 and surely that god is creating the perfect conditions for our mutual awakening and perhaps

00:47:25.300 what's required is the spur the ignition of something so unbearable that people will awaken

00:47:32.220 rather than endure it rather than endure it any further and perhaps that's what we're being offered

00:47:37.340 now yes of course it seems like we're on the precipice of catastrophe geopolitically and from various

00:47:42.980 potential health pandemics but also it seems to me like a potential offering to awaken and i don't

00:47:48.900 think we have any choice other than to see it that way hustle brand you have not been broken you are at your

00:47:53.940 very best your very best really appreciate it thank you thanks tako

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