The Tucker Carlson Show - Russell Brand： The People Trying to Imprison Him, Trump’s Fall, Speaking to God, and His Mayoral Run

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00:00:30.000 i'm ready heavenly father thank you for this chance to for us to be together where two or

00:00:39.320 more gathered you are present lord can you help us to put aside any prejudices or biases that

00:00:45.340 you might carry into it can you help me lord not to look at tucker as a person that exists for my

00:00:50.180 benefit or to facilitate me but to know that he's like me a person that's broken and that will die

00:00:55.340 one day and that we're here to love one another and serve one another and by the way we love one

00:00:59.340 another they will know that we are in you and that you are in us lord let's communicate graciously

00:01:04.660 and with grace and do nothing that dishonors your name or your kingdom which we are here to serve

00:01:09.480 however you decree we pray in the name of god the father with all your infinite creativity and

00:01:15.300 wisdom god the son with your compassion and your holy sacrifice taking on our sin and god the holy

00:01:20.580 ghost who moves among us mysteriously now in communication and endless unity amen amen thank

00:01:27.560 you boy that is the prayer isn't it not to look at people as someone who can do something for you

00:01:34.440 yeah sort of objectify even powerful people so you were just uh you were just reading me

00:01:40.620 because i want to talk about your book and i want to talk about your journey

00:01:43.440 as a christian um and we will but i just can't resist this you were just reading me from

00:01:50.700 daniel in your marginalia filled bible from daniel 11 and i was just completely i was so

00:01:56.740 struck by it i took a picture of it and sent it to like 20 people can you read the passage that

00:02:00.620 you just read me it's from daniel 11 36 the king will do as he pleases he will exalt and magnify

00:02:08.280 himself above every god and will say unheard of things against the god of gods would you like me

00:02:14.280 to continue please he will be successful until the time of wrath is completed for what has been

00:02:20.560 determined must take place. He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one

00:02:26.620 desired by women. Nor will he regard any god but will exalt himself above them all. Instead of them

00:02:32.780 he will honor a god of fortresses, a god unknown to his ancestors. He will honor with gold and silver

00:02:39.240 with precious stones and costly gifts. He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of

00:02:45.080 a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over

00:02:50.240 many people and will distribute the land at a price. At the time of the end the king of the

00:02:56.040 south will engage him in battle and the king of the north will storm out against him with chariots

00:03:01.200 and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like

00:03:07.520 a flood. He will also invade the beautiful land. Many countries will fall but Edom, Moab and the

00:03:14.940 leaders of Ammon, will be delivered from his hand. He will extend his power over many countries. 0.69

00:03:21.200 Egypt will not escape. He will gain control over the treasures of gold and silver and all the 0.88

00:03:27.240 riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and the Kushites in submission. But reports from the east and the 0.97

00:03:32.620 north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

00:03:37.840 he will pitch his royal tents between the seas of the beautiful holy mountain yet he will come

00:03:45.000 to his end and no one will help him ripped from the headlines that was just so striking uh to me

00:03:54.480 uh shocking actually i've read it i don't completely miss that um it it hits differently

00:04:00.800 right now how often do you read the bible well every day i was reading the bible in one year

00:04:07.640 by Nicky Gumbel and obviously the Bible's not by Nicky Gumbel.

00:04:11.980 But I'm sure he would come close to making that claim 0.99

00:04:15.380 as many Christians do. 1.00

00:04:16.340 Sometimes I feel like I've made it up. 0.98

00:04:18.140 I'm brilliant.

00:04:18.960 Even now I'm trying to take credit for reading this out.

00:04:21.640 Yeah, I've understood this in a way no one else ever has.

00:04:24.480 Anyway, so I started off with that,

00:04:26.260 which is like having training wheels on a bicycle

00:04:28.300 and then I left it on a plane and I thought,

00:04:30.480 wow, I'm going to have to just start reading it.

00:04:32.280 Now, every day I read the scripture for about an hour

00:04:35.720 and I pray and meditate

00:04:39.060 as well as reading some devotionals

00:04:41.140 and doing some breath exercise.

00:04:42.940 I remember when I met years ago,

00:04:44.060 His Holiness the Dalai Lama,

00:04:45.660 someone said like, you know,

00:04:46.540 oh, he meditates like eight hours a day.

00:04:49.040 And I thought, well, that seems excessive.

00:04:50.480 But now, like, what else is there to do

00:04:53.540 except be in continual prayer?

00:04:55.440 Increasingly, as my walk with him,

00:04:57.460 yoke to him continues,

00:04:58.960 I recognize any time I let go of his hand,

00:05:01.940 any time I step back into even neutrality,

00:05:04.740 neutrality metastasizes immediately into self and therefore sin. I see sin now, Tucker, not as the

00:05:11.420 transgression of stealing or lying or whatever, but as the mental state that precedes it. When

00:05:16.060 I'm in that mental state, suddenly I elevate myself like Lucifer, like the fallen one. I think

00:05:22.100 I can create my own circuitry, my own neurological circuitry without his angelic agency. As soon as

00:05:29.260 I'm in that I belong to the world again I belong to empire forget the tyranny of those most powerful

00:05:35.280 people in the world even in my petty trivial tyranny I bear their insignature not his it was

00:05:41.920 you in fact that made the observation one of the times we met I think I was doing one of your

00:05:46.200 tremendously successful and well-attended live shows in Fort Lauderdale I'm still showbiz I still

00:05:51.820 know how to do those bits um and like we were I showed you this bit from Orwell and and you said

00:05:58.380 Well, you said, Orwell's anticipate, this is prior to the most recent American electoral cycle.

00:06:04.000 You said that Orwell understood Soviet communism well.

00:06:07.820 And at this point, you said in 1984, he's talking about social democracy's tendency to evolve towards or degenerate, one might say, towards tyranny.

00:06:17.960 And we discussed together, oh, wow, what is Orwell's most famous maxim?

00:06:24.340 him. If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.

00:06:33.860 And in that moment, I think both you and I discussed, yes. And what is the face? That is

00:06:38.140 the image of God. They are annihilating the image of God. They remove the image of God. Once the

00:06:43.740 image of God, our personal imperture, our signature, the hieroglyph, he's present in us,

00:06:48.920 the creator of meaning, without whom there cannot be geometry, mathematics, or music,

00:06:53.440 but even meaning itself. He is a storyteller, our Lord. He comes and tells stories to show you that

00:06:59.400 meaning itself is what we must align with. Because, you know, when people say, oh, it's

00:07:04.800 astrological, the three kings and the virgin is the star virgin. It's an astrological description

00:07:09.840 of movements. And Osiris was this, and Isis was that, and Dionysus meant that, you know.

00:07:15.580 And they try to say that Christianity isn't unique, particular, and special,

00:07:19.060 that the incarnation of God, that these principles being made flesh didn't establish the new

00:07:24.660 frequency through the Holy Spirit. They tried to say, it's just another story. When you go into

00:07:29.440 the word, you feel it, you know it, it changes you. It reverses and undoes so much. Your whole

00:07:36.580 life, C.S. Lewis says, Tucker, your whole life is redeemed. You look back at all of it. The father,

00:07:41.360 and you see it differently. The career, you see it differently. You see that you were being prepared

00:07:45.840 always for this. As C.S. Lewis says in The Great Divorce, when you accept him, your whole life

00:07:50.660 will have been heaven if you reject him. You are in purgatory forever. And why do they stay in

00:07:55.080 purgatory in The Great Divorce? I'm recommending read The Great Divorce. It's because they won't

00:07:58.360 let go of their earthly identity. They won't let go of it. We have to let go of that in order to

00:08:04.760 receive the kingdom. We have to let go of who we are in shame, who we are in fear, who we are to

00:08:10.700 the world. And once you do that, you're kind of already dead, but you're also in eternal life.

00:08:14.700 And that's what's been amazing about watching you in the last month, in particular, is a sort of the jaw-dropping boldness and bravery that sometimes can seem like frightening.

00:08:26.780 Well, not to me.

00:08:27.500 I've never felt calmer.

00:08:29.120 But no, I, yeah, I mean, I just don't care at all.

00:08:31.900 Why would I?

00:08:34.120 Nothing, I mean, you know, winning the thing, the prizes that are held out for us, haven't won them all, won a few, not that great.

00:08:43.080 you know it's not that great that's not why we're here so um but the you've been a reader your

00:08:48.760 entire life even when you were like a dissipate and in hollywood you still read a lot yeah how

00:08:55.700 is reading the bible different from reading evelyn wall well how it's different firstly i've not read

00:09:02.780 evelyn wall what that's your birthright were you kidding i'm lazy i'm an autodidact and like you

00:09:09.400 know Woody Allen he says with the autodidact superficial I've never been properly educated

00:09:13.520 so everything's thin across the top this is the first time I've gone deep into anything how it's

00:09:18.800 different how it's different Tucker from what I've accrued culturally is that it moves effortlessly

00:09:26.260 into mystery it is divine and profound truth now I think that one of the conversations we might have

00:09:31.900 is if you think during the brief time that you and I have both um I'm going to say the word

00:09:36.340 transitioned now but don't panic transitioned from mainstream media into whatever this is this

00:09:41.720 kind of independent media what that's been accompanied by if one envisages a spectrum

00:09:46.400 and at one end of it the new york times the bbc msnbc one might even include fox and more sort

00:09:52.140 of particular flavors of mainstream media and over here you're alex jones you're david ike

00:09:56.840 where is the needle moving well it's obviously moving radically in a direction that alex jones

00:10:01.620 and david ike have been in some time that's not to say that either of those two men are without

00:10:05.160 flaws, of course. I wouldn't make that claim for any human being. But during that time,

00:10:09.240 people have started to look at paedophile rings, conspiracies, global events that seem to be

00:10:13.500 managed and manipulated, the possibility and potential that real power is not government

00:10:17.220 or party political, but is in fact controlled by institutions that are imperial, transcendent

00:10:23.100 of global boundaries, and may even be occultist and dark and demonic. I mean, certainly the trend

00:10:27.980 is moving in that direction. And I think one of the great challenges for people that are telling

00:10:32.640 the truth at a public level to a lot of people is how do we remain in that which is corroboratable

00:10:37.260 and and what i feel is so important here is when you're dealing with people that might say

00:10:42.820 there are demonic forces at work they're occultists they're pedophiles they're doing

00:10:46.180 child sacrifices well it's all in here like when i've uh when i prior to coming to the lord or

00:10:52.760 rather more accurately him coming to me i felt i knew what was in the bible because i thought i

00:10:58.860 understood. I didn't read it, but I thought, I get the idea. I'm a clever guy. I get the gist.

00:11:03.360 I felt the same. Yeah. And like, so I felt it's going to be about ethics and morality

00:11:07.640 and a sort of a kind of a rather, obviously piety, but I sort of felt that it might be a bit

00:11:13.340 anemic. But what was, what's really struck me is it moves between sort of like

00:11:19.540 myths so powerful that it takes you to the sort of edge of what consciousness can ever comprehend,

00:11:25.420 obviously, while telling you that's what it's doing. My ways are not your ways. Do not conform

00:11:30.440 to the patterns of this world. The evil one is in control of this world. We fight not against

00:11:35.620 flesh and blood, but we fight against the authorities, the rulers, the dark heavenly

00:11:39.980 powers. All these things are in there. My children, don't worship false idols. Don't make gods with

00:11:45.080 your own hands out of metal and then stare at them the whole time. You will glimpse God as if

00:11:54.360 through a glass or perhaps for contemporary language, as if through a mirror darkly. It'll

00:11:59.340 be like you're looking at yourself and you see that Christ is in you and coming through you,

00:12:04.280 but then you will return to yourself again. You will flick it in and out. See, the promise of

00:12:09.540 Christ is redemption. That means you are owned by him and there is a restoration of the original

00:12:15.580 state. It has been completed. Our God breathed life into the dirt man, Adam, and Christ on the

00:12:23.140 cross exhales, the final breath, it is finished. It's possible for us to return to absolute harmony

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00:14:53.240 And that's the story told

00:14:55.320 in the Bible. Yeah.

00:14:57.560 Now that you know

00:14:59.560 that and believe it, and I believe

00:15:01.440 it too, in fact,

00:15:03.540 I believe it to such an extent it's kind of hard to

00:15:05.280 remember when I didn't believe it, but as

00:15:07.500 you look back on your own now redeemed life,

00:15:09.760 do you see those forces at work

00:15:11.360 on you. Yes, I see the work of those forces and I see the presence of God. I see continually this

00:15:17.480 unfolding discourse throughout time in my own little life. I see I'm being shown this, I'm

00:15:24.280 being offered that. You know, one of the things I'd forgotten, Tucker, is that at the point of

00:15:29.780 first becoming famous, there was a kind of glory in it. And by true glory, I don't mean personal

00:15:34.600 glory because anything that's personal is not true glory at all. There was a moment where a

00:15:38.620 world that continually said no to me, suddenly, after decades, said yes, that suddenly the golden

00:15:44.380 light was upon me and open, that I was appearing on television, people were saying yes to book

00:15:49.160 deals, I was in movies, I was experiencing, and this is where I think I went wrong, abundant sex,

00:15:54.600 for example. And as that took hold, that's where I feel and see the presence, that I, you know,

00:16:01.260 the tempter, the accuser, the fallen one, the enemy requires our complicity. I did participate,

00:16:06.920 I did participate in elevating false gods.

00:16:11.420 I did allow sex to become a kind of idol, fame to become an idol.

00:16:16.840 And neither of those things are possible if you don't first fall into self.

00:16:20.720 I consider sin to be in self, in self.

00:16:26.060 Once I'm in self, the sibilant S, lacking vocal,

00:16:29.780 the serpent has no vertical axes.

00:16:33.420 I crawl upon the floor.

00:16:35.160 I'm only a belly. We're continually in the garden and we're continually, as René Girard obviously

00:16:40.920 observed, observing Satan fall from heaven like lightning because he wants his own kingdom.

00:16:46.540 I'm continually believing the lie, the lie that I'm worthless, the lie that I'm ugly,

00:16:51.200 the lie that I'm shameful, the lie that I don't deserve to be successful. I enter into that lie

00:16:55.600 and once I'm in that lie, then I belong to the world. Now I have to prove myself in the world.

00:17:00.160 I have to make myself beautiful, lauded and applauded, celebrated, adored.

00:17:05.100 I have to perform all of those rituals before his altar if I don't stay with the one that

00:17:11.000 made me.

00:17:12.060 It's an apostasy to be in this world. 1.00

00:17:14.740 You don't convert to Christianity. 0.98

00:17:17.260 You let go of the false conversion of being in this world where you have been placed by 0.95

00:17:22.280 the evil one, by the enemy, lured, tempted, hypnotized.

00:17:26.220 We all understand it.

00:17:27.420 We all understand the idea of facsimile, the counterfeit, the emulation, the simulation.

00:17:33.020 You know, see when people posit about the sci-fi version, perhaps we're already in a simulation.

00:17:37.440 You don't need to use that lexicon.

00:17:40.480 Through the electromagnetic moment where sensory information is converted neurologically,

00:17:46.740 and that happens to all sensory input, you live in a synthesized reality in your own consciousness.

00:17:51.480 There are peculiar, inexplicable moments, as with all scientific disciplines, when you take it to its edge land, i.e. between the synapses as electromagnetic energy travels around in the brain, there's a moment where it's hormonal, it's inexplicable.

00:18:06.500 We're surrounded in every direction by endless miracle, which we nullify through dumb orthodox

00:18:11.860 science, as we witnessed at length and in depth through the pandemic. We deny him continually.

00:18:18.260 We are continually Eve. We are continually Lucifer. Why does our Lord say when the

00:18:24.020 hubristic disciples return saying, we moved among scorpions, we were casting out demons?

00:18:30.180 he says straight away and it's an odd non sequitur

00:18:33.920 I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning

00:18:37.360 you will move among demons

00:18:39.500 you will move among scorpions and snakes

00:18:41.780 and do great healings

00:18:42.700 because your names are written in the book of heaven

00:18:44.800 what can that even mean?

00:18:46.980 you are encoded

00:18:48.100 you are encoded, you are made

00:18:50.120 did you see that it looks like a cross

00:18:52.080 at some microscopically observable level

00:18:56.580 there's a cross down in our DNA

00:18:58.880 There's so much poetry in it.

00:19:00.760 Of course it's interpreted

00:19:01.980 because interpretation is relationship.

00:19:05.160 Of course people will say,

00:19:06.520 you can use the Bible to prove anything you want to prove.

00:19:09.140 But one of my teachers said,

00:19:10.680 the main things are the plain things

00:19:12.120 and the plain things are the main things.

00:19:13.640 We're meant to live here harmoniously with one another.

00:19:15.600 We're meant to be one human family.

00:19:17.380 You have to accept Christ as the Messiah.

00:19:19.320 If there's any particular group of people

00:19:21.220 that deliberately do not accept Christ as the Messiah,

00:19:23.780 you might want to investigate that thoroughly

00:19:25.620 and there's instructions for how to do that

00:19:27.540 in there you know there's some powerful information in here that must be acted upon now from the

00:19:33.760 other side from the countercultural perspective they'll say oh this is you know it's the council

00:19:37.300 of nicaea and all that kind of stuff and and i'm thinking now of like the sort of the people that

00:19:42.040 you surely we must pay our due to the likes of ike and alex jones who clearly are carrying not

00:19:47.740 actually because he's so sort of in the moment isn't he but david ike i feel that he carries

00:19:50.960 this weight of i've been saying this for ages i've been saying this for ages but what he doesn't do

00:19:55.660 with love and respect to him is honor that Christ is real, real, that this is a transcendent

00:20:04.020 manifesto of all reality. The author of reality entered into his own story. The creator of the

00:20:10.200 simulation entered into the simulation to establish a new way of communicating and being.

00:20:14.960 And I think, to forgive this ramble, is I think that what we're trying to do is look at

00:20:20.380 at anodyne and sanitary Christianity and look at where it needs to be revived and reignited,

00:20:28.060 then we're looking at a conspiracy culture that's endlessly carooming and tangled. We have to look

00:20:34.920 at these two worlds and recognize that the same thing is being approached. And without the cross,

00:20:39.680 without him, without personal acceptance of him, we'll just end up critiquing without energizing.

00:20:45.620 We'll end up in dead tradition, just ashes and incense.

00:20:50.320 And we have to revivify this now.

00:20:52.360 We have to participate in the resurrection.

00:20:54.500 He says, I am the resurrection.

00:20:56.820 He says that when he brings back Lazarus.

00:20:59.540 Can I ask just to move back a couple moments about your, you said you pray as you read.

00:21:06.780 What are your, what is that?

00:21:08.300 What is prayer exactly?

00:21:12.040 I'm trying to recognize that there is a subjective experience

00:21:14.560 and we might be told an objective experience

00:21:17.100 and through prayer, collapse that.

00:21:19.920 The kind of Christianity that I feel like I've been called to

00:21:22.360 is a kind of a quantum physics Christianity.

00:21:24.240 And of course, I don't understand quantum physics.

00:21:25.840 No one does because it's sort of unknowable.

00:21:28.060 But what seems to be real is that the process of observation

00:21:31.300 alters physical reality.

00:21:33.160 It is the smallest observable level.

00:21:37.380 So in prayer, it's an incantation to become who you really are

00:21:42.460 and to be in absolute truth.

00:21:44.340 and to recognize as with Paul's great analogy

00:21:46.980 that we move in and out of Christ.

00:21:49.900 Like that there are moments like now I feel all right.

00:21:52.020 I feel like I'm doing this properly.

00:21:53.940 I feel like I'm not trying to get anything from you.

00:21:56.220 And I'm not frantically panicking

00:21:58.540 about what other people think of me.

00:22:00.360 But I know there will be points over the course of the day

00:22:02.500 where I'll experience either temptation or intimidation.

00:22:05.060 And in those moments, I'll lose myself.

00:22:06.440 Prayer is to ensure that we establish

00:22:08.480 such a strong connection with God

00:22:10.320 that it can withstand,

00:22:12.480 that we can sleep in the storm

00:22:14.180 with him that when the storm comes and we know it's coming that we can rest in the boat in total

00:22:20.760 trust and faith in him oh jail okay jail assassination okay assassination like that you

00:22:28.840 you what you when you no longer belong to the devil when you belong to him then as paul says

00:22:34.040 like i'm only here to talk to you lot i'll go now i want to be with him i want to see his face i want

00:22:40.440 to see his face. I love him, but I know at the moment I'm meant to be here to be with you,

00:22:45.380 to love you, to train with you, to be in discipleship and training together with you.

00:22:50.180 I don't question that. It's not our job to question it. So prayer is to collapse it,

00:22:55.080 to collapse it, to collapse the wave particle, to live in the unknowable, to recognize that we

00:23:01.280 are being made pure in him and through him, that in and of ourselves, we do nothing. We do nothing.

00:23:05.740 we saw what we did when we were in sin and he loved us then i have a vision of you in dc and

00:23:12.120 i know because you've told me and you've been honest about it cocaine and the things that i

00:23:16.240 assume accompany that and he loved you then and he died for you then and he brought that shame

00:23:21.700 onto himself that you may know him and then when you are not he can't be with us when we're in sin

00:23:27.360 when we're not in sin there he is the holy spirit will dwell in you do you not know that your body

00:23:32.000 is a temple do you not know oh god you've not realized you pass odds otherwise you won't be

00:23:35.660 living like that your body is for me to live in stop using it to get stuff stop like putting

00:23:42.020 pleasure on its sensory surfaces to try and defibrillate some synthetic spiritual experience

00:23:47.460 when you're already here you're already here i'm here in you he's here he's here and he's real now

00:23:53.940 so it's quite psychedelic and the problem is if i'm hungry or i'm horny or i'm afraid then they

00:24:00.820 can, they've got me again. And so now I try to do whatever I need to do to not go back there.

00:24:05.280 And it anticipates all of that. It tells me the flesh is weak. It has so much guidance around

00:24:09.820 sexual morality. It has so much guidance around power and false power. It's telling you, this is

00:24:15.980 what I intended you for, but I had to give you free will. Otherwise, the whole thing would be

00:24:19.720 pointless. It wouldn't have time in it. If there was no free will, it doesn't even need to happen

00:24:24.540 because it's a foregone conclusion. Right, exactly. But through his grace and through his greatness,

00:24:28.820 us, we are participating in something. But don't you see, aren't they even now observing what they

00:24:32.760 are calling large structures? Aren't they even observing that the cosmos, there's intergalactic

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00:24:43.240 happening on our planet are influenced by other galaxies? Like it's not because, you know, cows

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00:27:20.700 first. And all systems of power attempt to impose a narrative that facilitates their further power.

00:27:28.360 I realized after you, but I realized that the problem with the kind of imperialism that would

00:27:33.680 of occurred if Kamala Harris had been president, is it's globalist and it's bureaucratic and it's

00:27:38.320 managerial and they use compassion to maximize total control. I was not, you know, everyone's

00:27:45.420 got 20-20 hindsight, but like, you know, the videos exist. I think Trump is an extraordinarily

00:27:50.520 enjoyable public figure. I think he says what's on his mind in a way that's sort of almost

00:27:54.780 unprecedented. But it's certainly seeming to become somewhat unpresidential in addition.

00:27:59.840 what i didn't enter into was the idea that trump maga could be anything other than a bulwark

00:28:07.260 against the annihilation of bureaucratic global imperialism that's i because i think a personality

00:28:13.620 like that can slow things down and i think it's an obstacle but the thing that's particularly

00:28:19.300 disheartening about this war and i know that you spoke about it extensively prior to the election

00:28:22.660 of trump with the iranian war is that this war would be happening if kamala harris was president

00:28:29.680 anyway. That's my very distant, hazy, I'm not really in this view, is, oh, if someone as

00:28:36.740 particular, personal and extraordinary on the human plane as Trump ultimately ends up doing

00:28:43.140 what the globalist imperialist would have done anyway, then what are we all discussing when

00:28:48.620 we're talking about America first and MAGA and all of that stuff? So what I'm saying there is

00:28:53.760 global bureaucracies is a terrible instantiation of Satan's counterfeit power, omnipotence,

00:28:58.920 omniscience omnipresence through technology absolute ownership nationalism i thought would

00:29:04.320 instill a temporary preservation at least of the nation but the nation is corruptible and is

00:29:12.860 corrupted and is fallen and now i think the call is and you seem to understand this i know you

00:29:18.180 understand it better than me historically and geopolitically and politically and nationally

00:29:20.960 and domestically and i would run out of words in all of those ways but what i know as a christian

00:29:27.240 is that there is something about your sovereignty in absolute submission to him that we need to

00:29:32.720 tell people. There is something in the principle of democracy when practiced correctly using the

00:29:38.860 maximum technological efficiency that gives us the chance to live truthfully. We can't live

00:29:45.640 in this loopy, lunatic illusion any longer of moving between false polarities that appear

00:29:54.320 ultimately to have an ulterior or at least superior power that directs them regardless

00:30:01.020 of the mandate offered through some phatic electoral process.

00:30:06.740 I know you can double the speed of a YouTube video.

00:30:10.300 I don't know if you can cut it in half because I want everyone to hear every word that you

00:30:14.880 just said because I think they're inspired words and I think that they're all true.

00:30:19.560 And I won't summarize, but I just ask people to re-watch what you just said in case they

00:30:23.580 missed all of it the first time i'm good at listening to fast talking so i caught every word

00:30:27.820 i think you're absolutely right and so let me just rephrase what i think you said

00:30:33.460 we spent all this time trying to construct a defense against what was clearly happening to

00:30:40.060 us in the west maybe the world which was this globalist totalitarian nightmare only to awake

00:30:47.840 to realize actually we may have been participating unknowingly in the creation of it just from the

00:30:53.980 other side. Where does that leave us? What's our duty now? If we had any faith in any personality

00:30:59.800 or person other than Christ, it's only in him. What I was kept thinking about today is let people

00:31:06.220 like that verse that's like, by the way, we love one another. Let them know that we're Christian.

00:31:11.920 So my job while I'm here, I know you're in Christ and my job is to love you. That's my job here.

00:31:16.920 And with my friends, Dave and Jake,

00:31:18.680 that I'm traveling with and beloved Lexi

00:31:20.160 and the people that I'm working with,

00:31:21.380 I'm most familiar with just to be loving

00:31:23.500 and present with them.

00:31:24.820 And that's my primary job.

00:31:26.640 I can do that.

00:31:27.760 And when I notice myself stopping doing that,

00:31:29.700 which I will do because I'll get hungry or something,

00:31:32.220 then to intervene with myself as best I can

00:31:36.040 by honoring and knowing my weakness.

00:31:38.420 Now, I didn't believe that,

00:31:40.500 and I don't believe that there is any political figure

00:31:43.320 operating within current systems

00:31:45.660 that is going to bring about the type of change

00:31:47.840 that's required to at least forestall total annihilation.

00:31:52.460 I don't see anyone.

00:31:54.400 Gavin Newsom, AOC, Bernie J.D.

00:31:58.180 And in fact, what I was saying around 2015,

00:32:00.320 when I first stepped into,

00:32:02.240 when I stepped out of what you might call vanilla celebrity

00:32:04.640 and into political opining,

00:32:06.580 even though my vanilla celebrity was shellacked

00:32:09.720 in a particular kind of louche decadence,

00:32:12.280 When I stepped into, because I had a girlfriend at the time that was involved with a new statesman.

00:32:20.680 And so I did an edition of the new statesman, British, one might say Fabian, kind of Fabian.

00:32:27.340 So sort of fetishizing leftist ideas in order to create centralized bureaucracies that will never deliver to the people that they purport to care about. 0.98

00:32:36.160 the famed ordinary brit or average american that poor bunch of chattel churned and tossed about

00:32:43.640 on the storm of any passing breeze or fad anyway so i said yes to this thing and like man i knew a

00:32:51.360 lot of famous people back then like baldwin david lynch that i we we dude out of china who just said

00:32:56.460 that he went back to his native china i think i'm saying his name right he went back there he's like

00:33:00.700 super famous and the left love him and like you know because he left as a dissident from china

00:33:04.620 and lived in Germany for a while

00:33:05.800 and he's apparently

00:33:06.380 a very brilliant artist.

00:33:07.380 I didn't know that.

00:33:07.840 I think he did the cover

00:33:08.600 along with Shepard Fairey,

00:33:10.480 the ardent Democrat

00:33:12.300 supporting American artist.

00:33:15.900 So we just went back to China.

00:33:17.860 He goes, 0.93

00:33:18.420 Germany's worse than China. 1.00

00:33:20.160 Like there's more

00:33:21.360 centralized control,

00:33:23.100 manipulation,

00:33:23.880 less freedom of speech in China.

00:33:25.040 And this guy's a darling

00:33:25.820 of the left type figure.

00:33:26.640 Anyway, so when I was doing

00:33:27.340 that New Statesman thing,

00:33:29.000 that's when I did

00:33:29.920 an accompanying promotional interview

00:33:31.900 with our defining show

00:33:33.680 was Jeremy Paxman's news night.

00:33:36.180 Jeremy Paxman was Fox News Tucker.

00:33:38.880 He was like the guy that people got off on,

00:33:41.480 like watching that dude mess with politicians.

00:33:44.840 I'm not talking about like, you know,

00:33:46.000 he'd probably be more liberal left

00:33:47.300 than you were sort of a traditional conservative

00:33:49.120 during your sort of Fox pump and heyday.

00:33:51.520 But we got the same commodity from him.

00:33:53.840 Jeremy Paxman would sit there with a home secretary

00:33:55.680 and just go, come on.

00:33:57.120 Like he was more bombastic.

00:33:58.760 You know that time like, oh no, I get why you think it.

00:34:00.720 No, you just don't want us to have guns, but you have them.

00:34:02.800 No, I get it. I do it. Like he had great stuff. No, I get it. I get it. I loved all that.

00:34:09.180 But when I went on there, right, what was cool is even though I was 33 or 34, I was much younger,

00:34:16.080 and I just said, none of my friends vote. We never vote. And he's like, oh, come on. You can't talk

00:34:19.500 about politics. If you don't vote, you've got no right to be in the conversation. And I said,

00:34:22.760 like, what are you talking about? I see you every week on here attacking politicians for being vapid

00:34:27.100 and empty and insincere and Machiavellian. And then when I say I'm not participating, you attack me.

00:34:32.460 I don't want to participate

00:34:33.680 none of the people participate

00:34:34.720 and it caused this big national conversation

00:34:37.820 and I was talking about

00:34:39.020 I'm going to run for mayor of London 1.00

00:34:40.160 because like an idiot 1.00

00:34:41.120 like the disciples actually 1.00

00:34:42.420 I thought this is what I thought

00:34:43.820 I thought you've really

00:34:44.860 what I should have thought is

00:34:46.840 people have heard what you've said is true

00:34:49.000 and they're responding to the truth

00:34:50.460 in what you've said

00:34:51.160 that's what I should have recognised 1.00

00:34:52.820 but what I thought being fool and a fool 0.99

00:34:55.860 was oh I'm really great 0.99

00:34:58.300 and I should be powerful

00:35:00.160 I made it about myself

00:35:01.500 I thought that I was fantastic and I got involved in it I got involved in my own thing

00:35:06.560 and obviously it went terribly terribly wrong as it always does when you what happened well I did

00:35:11.140 say that I was going to run for mayor of London and I did say that uh that um there's yeah I

00:35:17.060 participated in some brilliant movements like housing movements in London and we led like this

00:35:21.460 big march into Downing Street and outside Downing Street I go into confrontation with a reporter

00:35:25.860 and I had to talk about me in parliament this is 2015 and what happened was is I think from that

00:35:30.540 moment, I think I was on the radar of certain forces that probably monitor online threats

00:35:40.680 and vocal critics of establishment power. And I would suggest that in the UK, it's a little more

00:35:48.180 insidious, nefarious. And the image I have is like dirty soil, like oil in soil, like toxic land,

00:35:56.540 like Britain's a deep rooted toxic land. Now I know a good deal of British UK imperial power

00:36:02.720 migrated to your country in the same way that Nazi physicists migrated in order to ensure 0.88

00:36:07.880 Babylon succeeds. What happened was is I got attacked a bunch, like seriously attacked, 0.75

00:36:14.520 seriously attacked, and I sort of withstood it somehow. But that's what it did. It eviscerated

00:36:19.240 me and I withdrew to the country and I got married and I bought my beautiful dog bear

00:36:24.000 and I had my beautiful children

00:36:25.720 and I lived out there calmly.

00:36:28.020 But something was nagging at me the whole time, always.

00:36:31.380 You're meant to be participating in this in some way,

00:36:33.360 in some new way.

00:36:34.700 See, I'm doing a new thing.

00:36:36.180 Find the new thing, find the new thing. 1.00

00:36:37.960 But I always, always, like an idiot, 1.00

00:36:39.860 I've been inculcated and indoctrinated 1.00

00:36:41.940 by our culture, our culture.

00:36:44.200 I think that individualism is our religion.

00:36:47.140 Progressivism, and I don't mean cultural progressivism

00:36:49.020 as in multiple genders. 0.96

00:36:50.080 No, no, no.

00:36:50.400 I mean, we're going to the moon,

00:36:51.900 so everything's cool.

00:36:53.420 We've got this device now that's going to solve everything.

00:36:56.400 Gandhi in like 1940 said, check this from Gandhi.

00:37:00.440 Gandhi said as the British were finally expelled,

00:37:03.720 he said, there's no point in us beating the British in this revolution

00:37:08.040 and then imitating and emulating the systems that have been bequeathed by them to us.

00:37:13.460 India is a country of 70,000 villages.

00:37:16.040 Each village should be fully autonomous, trading only where necessary.

00:37:19.360 We must lose our fixation on gadgets and technology.

00:37:23.000 1940s, he's saying this.

00:37:24.460 Of course, indeed, we know what happened.

00:37:25.720 It emulated and like he's essentially sort of, you know,

00:37:28.640 it got conquered in an entirely different and more insidious way.

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00:38:28.280 And what happened to Gandhi?

00:38:29.440 Was he rewarded for that?

00:38:30.460 People said, this guy is a wise prophet.

00:38:33.200 Let's revere him.

00:38:34.320 But before we do that, 1.00

00:38:35.680 we're going to shoot him in the head 1.00

00:38:37.080 just to be sure. 1.00

00:38:38.960 Lone gunman.

00:38:40.280 And whenever there's a lone gunman, just some crackpot.

00:38:44.280 Hey, these crackpots, I noticed that a lot of the time they do stuff

00:38:47.460 that really benefits the most powerful interests in the world.

00:38:50.260 I tell you what, the powerful should start using these lone gunmen

00:38:54.580 because, you know, there's a natural alliance.

00:38:56.720 It's a good thing.

00:38:57.120 It's like Coca-Cola and McDonald's.

00:38:58.680 The two of them go down like Coca-Cola, McDonald's, and the Olympics, you know.

00:39:02.920 Like Coca-Cola, McDonald's, the Olympics, and satanic festivals 0.93

00:39:06.940 where you mock Christian imagery. 0.90

00:39:08.780 The whole thing should get together.

00:39:10.720 And if you find people that are prominent and outspoken

00:39:12.660 and willing to risk their lives, 1.00

00:39:13.920 probably what you should do is shoot them dead 1.00

00:39:16.440 and then blame like something that will work in the culture 1.00

00:39:20.140 like, I don't know, trans people.

00:39:22.820 That wouldn't work. 1.00

00:39:24.440 Knowing in your heart of hearts

00:39:25.760 that Christ would love and minister to all of us,

00:39:28.700 seeing us all as one family.

00:39:30.420 I'm not interested in race.

00:39:31.860 I'm not interested in colour or skin or sexuality,

00:39:34.920 although I am a bit interested in sexuality.

00:39:36.540 All of you don't make a God out of it, 0.89

00:39:37.960 whether you're a heterosexual homosexual single celibate wherever you are anyway so um i got in 0.64

00:39:42.620 a lot of trouble but it was the first time i got in trouble i learned from it well i just want to

00:39:47.440 pause and say note to the editors of this please clip that that was like my favorite thing i've

00:39:51.940 ever heard sorry excuse me but what i wanted to say what i wanted to say was that um

00:39:57.460 that the thing is because he is real and because it is true

00:40:02.640 the very fact that as a result of presumably certain demographic information in your country

00:40:10.060 there's a requirement even to imitate Christianity as with that lady sort of charging her way to be

00:40:15.620 first rather than last and if she'd read the Bible that's not what she would do she'd want to be last

00:40:19.740 rather than first then in this condition they can't then deny you can't deny what's in there 0.60

00:40:27.640 you can't deny the word once you've said America is a Christian country we're running this on

00:40:32.440 Christian principles. We need to return to how Christianity informed the Constitution and the

00:40:37.680 founding fathers. And as Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul, used to say, this was meant to be

00:40:41.660 practiced in alliance and alignment with Christian principles. That telos will be used in his service

00:40:49.340 because we now have a standard. We now have a standard. Now, of course, we have forgiveness

00:40:53.680 and we have anyone. He will forgive all of us if he can forgive me. He's taken my sin. He's taken

00:40:58.840 my shame. He's taken yours and he'll take anyone. It's the most powerful people in the world.

00:41:02.440 the most vulnerable and weakest person in the world.

00:41:04.160 Indeed, he has no favourites.

00:41:05.900 He doesn't even care about those categories.

00:41:07.460 He doesn't recognise those categories.

00:41:09.520 So what I'm saying is, 0.98

00:41:11.460 is the reason that they annihilated Christianity 0.99

00:41:13.300 is because it gave us a verifiable, permanent,

00:41:15.640 indeed eternal basis upon which to run kingdom.

00:41:19.220 It gave us instruction.

00:41:21.480 It told us what's going to happen.

00:41:23.680 Now, if as some kind of gambit,

00:41:26.060 people have been emulating and performing Christianity,

00:41:29.040 that's in there too.

00:41:30.160 He says, no problem.

00:41:31.640 No problem because people will hear the name of Jesus Christ

00:41:34.300 and they'll be saved.

00:41:35.300 They'll be saved by that name and by acceptance in their hearts.

00:41:38.600 And more practically, once those environmental conditions have been set,

00:41:42.900 those of us that truly are following him

00:41:44.580 and are trying our best to follow him

00:41:45.860 and are trying to make ourselves smaller so that he can become greater,

00:41:49.260 we can say, well, we've been looking in here

00:41:52.340 and it doesn't say that you're meant to have a war with Iran.

00:41:56.460 And it doesn't say that you're meant to validate people

00:42:00.500 performing surgery. In fact, you are perfect already. Did you not know? You are so beloved.

00:42:07.000 Let's help you. How can we help one another? Because you know our Lord, he would have been

00:42:10.800 down with a trans, down with a homeless, down with a fentanyl, down with a junkie. He wouldn't 0.99

00:42:14.100 have been going, oh, this is disgusting. How can I love you? How can I love you? And I spend

00:42:18.320 a surprising amount of time actually speaking to gay people about Christ and like, you know,

00:42:22.860 because obviously they're concerned. And I'm trying to understand how we love and what I can

00:42:29.700 tell them absolutely is i i overly identified with my sexuality i'll tell you that i made my

00:42:34.740 sexuality the most important thing about me and i thought it was okay to be hedonistic and decadent

00:42:39.280 and there was an expression of my sort of neo-pagan self and can i say there's been some consequences

00:42:44.620 so you you might want to consider you know there's something more beautiful about you are you saying

00:42:51.360 for example that jesus christ and the beloved disciple john would have improved this great 0.94

00:42:57.760 intimacy and total love between them by ejaculating. Is that what you're suggesting? 0.91

00:43:04.460 There is more to you than that. There is a supreme intimacy with God. He actually wants

00:43:08.820 to be inside you right now. Look at the carnality. He's incarnate. He's flesh and blood. As well as

00:43:15.800 the agape love, there's eros love in that. We are his bride. We are his bride. It's there. It's a

00:43:22.680 very powerful energy, the sexual energy. And I definitely, definitely misused it extensively

00:43:28.100 by worshipping it and identifying with it. So when I'm talking to people about problems around

00:43:32.720 identity and sexuality, even though I've never had the challenge of same-sex attraction,

00:43:37.900 my certainty is that we shouldn't be, sex should not be our God, that love must be first. In fact,

00:43:44.020 the 12 steps puts it so well, Tucker, in the great big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, which I'm a

00:43:49.640 student of. It says, we want to stay out of this debate around sex. Some people think that sex is

00:43:55.840 the be-all and end-all, and some people want to live in absolute denial of sex. This is a

00:43:59.480 controversy we don't want to enter into. Some people would have a man with no flavor for his

00:44:04.300 fare, and the other camp would have them on a straight pepper diet. Someone pointed out to me

00:44:09.220 that straight pepper diet would be eating a condiment as if it were the main course or the

00:44:15.760 meal sex is a condiment upon which you which adds flavor to the meal of love that's what it is

00:44:23.260 according to scripture in a marriage between a man and a woman i'm still you know for my own

00:44:28.900 i'm trying to understand how to be completely loving to all people and not i don't it says

00:44:33.320 here clearly don't judge get the log out of your own eye so i guess it's not my my ministry is not

00:44:38.700 about that but i'm just what what i don't want is to be a participant in a in a church that

00:44:43.580 prioritizes judging and condemning others

00:44:46.080 rather than dealing with our own evident,

00:44:48.200 internal, fallen, broken problems.

00:44:49.900 That is the truth.

00:44:51.480 We had this conversation at breakfast this morning

00:44:53.740 with a wonderful person who works for us.

00:44:56.660 And I was telling her about being in church

00:45:00.120 a couple of weeks ago

00:45:00.820 when somebody got up to read

00:45:03.360 who I knew a lot about

00:45:05.800 and was judging so much

00:45:08.740 based on behavior that we judge or whatever.

00:45:11.800 And this person gets up to read

00:45:12.960 And I really felt very strongly that God just like spoke to me, which doesn't happen every day.

00:45:19.580 And the message was, you are no better than her.

00:45:23.280 And I turned, it makes me emotional thinking about it.

00:45:25.060 And I turned to my wife, who I know was having similar thoughts, or I thought she was.

00:45:28.420 And I whispered to her, I said, we are no better than her.

00:45:32.040 And she goes, I know.

00:45:34.500 And I think that is, that's really at the center of it.

00:45:37.980 So much instruction.

00:45:39.100 Love your neighbors.

00:45:39.980 then he removes any limited liability for the category of neighbor who is your neighbor

00:45:44.000 whoever's in front of you that's your neighbor that's your neighbor whoever's in front of you

00:45:47.900 agree but if you begin with i am no better than any other person i think it's a it's a clarifying

00:45:53.700 it takes the blinders off like you can see things clearly because what then you feel like you don't

00:45:58.200 have your own personal little mandate to go around telling people yeah and also but it i mean there is

00:46:03.160 not a sense in which i hate that phrase but there it is true that all people are connected to all

00:46:09.200 other people in some way that's impossible to understand as a person or for me to understand

00:46:13.260 in any case, but that is absolutely real and you can feel it. And it's almost like there are moments,

00:46:19.020 these rare transcendent moments in your life. I mean, sex is one of them where the barriers

00:46:22.440 between people get thinner. They may not dissolve entirely in this life, but they're definitely,

00:46:27.040 the membrane is thinner. And you feel a great satisfaction in that because that's kind of how

00:46:33.100 it's intended to be. That so much that divides us is fake. It's put there on purpose in order to

00:46:38.940 divide us, but that it doesn't reflect reality. Like our humanity, the fact we're all created by

00:46:43.680 God is the most important fact about us. For decades, Russell Brand was one of the most

00:46:48.640 famous actors and comedians and agnostics in the world. Today, he is one of the most sincere

00:46:56.980 Christians we know, a follower of Christ. His personal transformation is remarkable.

00:47:03.280 We saw it up close. He has now recounted it in an amazing book called How to Become a Christian in Seven Days.

00:47:10.880 And it recounts what happened to him, and it makes the case to all of us for stepping away from our secular assumptions

00:47:17.300 and returning to the only thing that matters, which is God.

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00:47:52.040 yes and if we are able to receive our identity in him then we will find in that kind of harmony

00:48:01.200 not necessarily ease or absence of suffering but at least a certain truth and it's an extraordinary

00:48:05.940 that in this world of counterfeits the identity politics a peculiar facsimile and emulation of

00:48:12.800 individual sovereignty has come to the forefront exactly can you explain that a little can you

00:48:18.060 flesh it out a bit. Well, you were fearfully and wonderfully made, knitted together in your

00:48:23.780 mother's womb. He loves you. Who is it you say that I am? I think that you are son of the living

00:48:28.640 God, that you are the Messiah. Well, this insight, this is from a few of the gospels there, but that's

00:48:34.300 a moment between our Lord and Peter. After Peter acknowledges Christ as God, as son of the living

00:48:42.300 God and the Messiah, he gives him the name Peter. You are the rock upon which I can build my church.

00:48:47.220 when you see God for who God is, then you will know who you are. If you don't know God for who

00:48:52.300 God is, then you will be looking for an identity in the world. I'm an Englishman. I'm an American.

00:48:57.420 I'm a proud homosexual. I'm a young black woman. I'm a little Dutch boy wearing clogs.

00:49:03.560 You start to identify with false things that you made with your own hands.

00:49:07.360 No, the message to people about gender identity is go further.

00:49:15.600 You are more individual than that.

00:49:17.320 He loves you more than that.

00:49:18.880 You are more unique than that.

00:49:20.820 You're not part of a group of people that happen to feel that you don't fit

00:49:24.320 with the arbitrary gender identities of 2026 American cultural identity

00:49:29.980 that wear this and wear that.

00:49:31.560 Indeed, in the word, in heaven, there is no man, woman. 0.98

00:49:34.820 in heaven in the supreme reality there is no man woman he says that that's in there you're right

00:49:42.240 you're right in a way it's a kind of a performance but if that performance leads you to like you know

00:49:46.720 changing your body surgically then that's potentially there might be another route

00:49:51.700 but we can look at the data and see if that's working for people post-surgery and how many

00:49:55.560 of them are happy with it and i guess we could make a scientific uh kind of a scientific judgment

00:49:59.340 but the problem is is that all of us have been now recently exposed to the total illegitimacy

00:50:04.700 of science in so much as we all know that only profitable experimentation is being undertaken

00:50:11.280 who's doing and conducting the experiments to demonstrate absolutely that there is no causal

00:50:18.860 link between the childhood vaccine program and the rise in autism who's going to pay for that

00:50:24.100 vaccine manufacturers i wouldn't have thought so the government i don't and then that's the end of

00:50:27.820 the list there's no one else that can afford to who by the way i mean one of the moments of the

00:50:32.180 a deeper awakening to the immersive ubiquitous insidiousness of global imperialism came for me

00:50:38.520 you know when you sort of realize things yourself that then become somewhat culturally evident and

00:50:42.820 obvious and explored and it's happened to me yes yeah yeah so when with the vaccines like how are

00:50:52.140 they clinically trialing that for the impact on pregnant women because which pregnant women are

00:50:57.800 going to allow them to in this time frame have experimented and how do we know the long-term

00:51:03.540 effects because there hasn't been a long period of time in which to witness the long-term effects

00:51:08.780 and all those questions that one might sort of ponder chewing a pencil on your own it turns out

00:51:13.360 were unanswerable because we were being dreadfully deceived dreadfully deceived and it seems like

00:51:18.840 the ultimate aim of it may have been population reduction of course and then of course i suppose

00:51:24.020 the additional benefits of how much authoritarianism can we leverage how successfully because remember

00:51:29.760 the bit where it's like well you won't be able to do what you did in china in america italy and

00:51:33.000 the united kingdom turns out that you largely can but there was this kind of a stumbling block

00:51:36.700 because people online with significant audiences were talking about it okay so that's a problem

00:51:41.800 we can't have significant audiences online where people are getting non-mainstream information

00:51:47.180 what do we do to annihilate that well can we create some kind of ideological diaspora

00:51:52.000 where they're all arguing with one another,

00:51:54.420 sometimes about important things, 0.96

00:51:55.420 sometimes about dumb stuff.

00:51:57.000 And as Dave Smith,

00:51:57.740 I know he's a collaborator and friend of yours,

00:51:59.320 when he said that 2008 and the Occupy movement

00:52:01.820 was a kind of unique solidarity

00:52:03.800 when it comes to the typical political taxonomies

00:52:06.360 in your country and mine,

00:52:07.960 people transcended that and recognized,

00:52:09.640 hold on a minute,

00:52:10.040 it's financial institutions that are to blame for this.

00:52:12.180 Why don't we start targeting them?

00:52:13.560 That was the advent of identity politics. 1.00

00:52:15.160 Yeah, let's have a race war. 0.72

00:52:16.300 Yeah, race war. 0.91

00:52:17.400 Quick, urgent race war. 0.81

00:52:18.580 Super quick. 0.89

00:52:19.640 So you were involved in all that stuff.

00:52:22.860 I mean, you were assessing British politics in 2008.

00:52:28.460 That was a long time ago, all of a sudden.

00:52:30.900 And now you're talking about Jesus.

00:52:35.780 So how did that happen?

00:52:37.860 Well, you wrote a book about it,

00:52:38.700 How to Become a Christian in Seven Days.

00:52:41.300 Did you become a Christian in Seven Days?

00:52:42.860 No, I became a Christian both instantaneously,

00:52:47.640 but over the entirety of my life when it happened it happened in an instant it happened when i was

00:52:55.840 i reckon even though i wouldn't have termed it this way at the time probably um contemplating

00:53:04.680 suicide i was probably considering do is this would this is there a way out of this and the

00:53:12.120 reason was, of course, was because of the allegations in the UK of criminal sexual conduct,

00:53:17.960 specifically rape and sexual assault, at the same time as my son had been diagnosed with a heart

00:53:23.660 condition, which we've discussed previously. And those two things happening simultaneously did

00:53:27.980 something extraordinary to me, in so much as it was exposed to me that I've, I mean, I heard it

00:53:35.600 as a voice, like you just described, sometimes you hear these voices, you've spent your whole life

00:53:39.540 worshipping fame and sex. Well, now look, fame and sex have come together. Is this what you wanted?

00:53:47.420 And all the time that I was famous, by the way, I think there would have been people that are the

00:53:50.680 only things they would have known about me is, oh, isn't that that guy that was married to Katy Perry?

00:53:54.620 And isn't that that guy that likes always talking about sex and stuff and being all like a sexy

00:53:59.480 rock star in movies? In your country, they might say that. And so those two things sort of compounded

00:54:06.320 to show me the nature of my worship. You have been worshiping false gods. You have been

00:54:12.460 idolizing yourself. And fame can be glorious for the kingdom. He is a tool he can use.

00:54:18.960 Sex, magnificent source of creation, connection, of course. But I was misusing those things. 0.92

00:54:24.800 Now, when that hit me, even though I kind of understood it a little bit before,

00:54:28.840 I didn't understand it as viscerally as I did in the new context of your son.

00:54:32.760 I'll tell you this, man.

00:54:34.120 There was a moment where I was walking my dear beloved dog, Bear,

00:54:38.700 and check out this thought.

00:54:40.000 This is, I think, the tempter.

00:54:41.480 I think this is the accuser.

00:54:43.300 This thought occurred.

00:54:44.860 Would you, what if your son, Laura's still pregnant,

00:54:47.620 my wife is still pregnant.

00:54:48.720 What if your son died and this could all go away?

00:54:52.980 Would you accept that?

00:54:54.540 And I sort of went, oh, God, no.

00:54:56.180 Like that, like I felt, I sort of fell to my knees and I cried.

00:54:59.400 I cried for thinking it.

00:55:01.340 I cried for thinking it.

00:55:03.380 Like, how could you even think that?

00:55:05.400 How could you even think that?

00:55:06.920 And it sort of purged me a bit, that cry and that cleanse.

00:55:10.080 In this period of contemplation,

00:55:11.540 a friend of mine from a 12-step support group

00:55:15.240 sent me a video of Rick Warren.

00:55:18.040 And Rick Warren, I hadn't ever heard of Rick Warren.

00:55:20.120 I didn't know that Purpose Driven Life sold 30 million.

00:55:22.160 I don't know things like that.

00:55:23.200 I'm not Christian. 0.99

00:55:23.740 I don't care, right?

00:55:24.900 He sent me a video and then I see it

00:55:26.260 and it's the most sort of slick,

00:55:27.980 televangelical TV show of like,

00:55:30.740 hey, we're going to be speaking with Rick Warren.

00:55:33.340 And I see Rick Warren.

00:55:34.260 He's kind of beardy and plump.

00:55:35.780 I'm like, what's all this?

00:55:36.800 And then when he talks about like,

00:55:38.680 he's, everyone's too toothy, too tax breaky.

00:55:43.120 Like, you're not going to get me with that.

00:55:44.880 You're not getting me with like proper American evangelism.

00:55:47.400 I'm clever.

00:55:49.360 I'm British clever.

00:55:50.960 I'm British working class clever.

00:55:52.780 That might be the cleverest anyone can be.

00:55:54.980 You're not getting me with that.

00:55:56.040 But he talked about his son killing himself and the way he spoke about his son killing himself,

00:56:01.180 because for me, in my mind, this is Tony Robbins, someone who I deeply admire, as a matter of fact.

00:56:05.280 I'm thinking, Rick Warren, he must be like a personal coach, kind of person who brings out your excellence or whatever.

00:56:11.020 I didn't even have a reference for what Christianity is thinking about it now.

00:56:14.780 So Rick Warren spoke about his son's suicide without shame, with pain and sorrow, but without any kind of indulgence of that.

00:56:23.340 And I thought, what is that?

00:56:24.840 What is that?

00:56:25.940 What is that that you can, because if your child kills himself, you better not be writing

00:56:31.180 no books about personal development because the worst thing that can happen has happened. 0.99

00:56:34.160 So shut up.

00:56:35.540 But when I saw it modeled, delivered, when I encountered it, I felt like, oh, he's, what 0.84

00:56:41.780 is it?

00:56:42.120 And that sort of somehow glitched something in me.

00:56:45.080 And I was out there and I was in the fields by my house.

00:56:48.160 You've visited my house.

00:56:49.160 I'm by the River Thames, by the river, by the still waters.

00:56:52.560 and I'm in green pastures and it was only when my dog died that I realized that my dog is a German

00:56:58.240 shepherd, that he was a shepherd and that the shepherd made me sit down in green pastures

00:57:02.640 and he made me be still by the waters and I understood that I was being spoken to and that

00:57:08.940 through my son I was being spoken to. Tucker, in those moments where you, if you hand over your boy

00:57:13.200 like 12 weeks old to surgeons and you don't know if you're getting back again, like, and then when

00:57:18.820 you see him with the wires and the tubes and all that so he's so visceral and in those rooms me and

00:57:24.900 laura we felt okay we felt fine we felt peaceful we felt protected and i was going into those

00:57:29.900 hospitals in like first time i wore a mask during that pandemic let me tell you was to be out in

00:57:33.560 the streets in london because every single newspaper and every single tv station was

00:57:37.660 dedicated right up until october the 7th peculiarly to saying russell brands of rapist we should have

00:57:42.560 known could we have done something like and like in plain sight suggesting that somehow i'd conducted

00:57:48.120 my entire career and in anticipation of a time where in the future i would be accused of sex

00:57:54.560 crime brilliantly he was flirting with every single woman he ever met on tv on camera and

00:58:00.480 chatting up if like if there's if there was a talk show and there was a female here i'd like

00:58:04.220 are you single and if she said yes i'd like start flirting with her and try and detect that she

00:58:08.420 attracted to me and if she was i would pursue that till it's natural literally natural conclusion

00:58:13.700 if I on the other hand detected revulsion resistance then like I'm like okay luckily

00:58:19.840 I'm famous so like and they tried to somehow reframe that as some as like I don't know how

00:58:26.820 you would even do that but the problem is is I created a lot of data out there during those 0.81

00:58:32.180 years I was sleeping with thousands of women and I was sleeping with women that will have sex with

00:58:37.460 you immediately in a bathroom or backstage or in a corridor in a car right so I create quite a lot 0.95

00:58:42.960 of, I hurt people. I exploited people. That's greedy. That's selfish. It's inconsiderate. It's

00:58:48.220 mean. It's certainly sinful, immoral. It's all of those things. There's no question about any of

00:58:55.080 that. So when, show me the man, I'll show you the crime. If people's phones are getting scraped,

00:59:00.600 as Edward Snowden revealed from more or less the late nineties, just in case one day you do

00:59:06.120 something we don't like, we're ready to go. It's either going to be the pink or the green,

00:59:10.060 the money or the honey we're going to get you financially or we're going to get you sexually 0.53

00:59:13.400 unless you're a person that's lived in Christ if you've lived in Christ your whole life 0.99

00:59:18.460 they're going to have to kill you for doing nothing they're going to have to kill you for

00:59:22.700 doing nothing probably happened to Charlie Kirk probably there was nothing shady to get him with 0.99

00:59:26.660 was there that may be what it was so you know luckily I was a philanderer and a hedonist so 0.99

00:59:33.860 well we'll just do rape and sexual assault with that guy that's just going to take minutes so 0.91

00:59:38.060 they're able to it's unbelievable when you see the material that was generated initially i mean 0.69

00:59:42.700 their documentary and by this company called hard cash it was a actors played the women that were

00:59:51.680 making allegations that had not gone to the police or anything like that and they used bits of my

00:59:58.200 stand-up where i'm saying stuff like um yeah like really in a camp i'm a british comedian so i've

01:00:03.220 super camp and crass, but using campness to take the edge off. Very vulgar, anatomical and sexual

01:00:09.400 and erotic jokes, which I was very explicit about. And they would pose that next to someone being

01:00:13.620 shot in silhouette, even though it was an actor, shot in silhouette, even though it's an actor,

01:00:18.460 to protect the identity of an actor. If you put them then with music, people don't realize a

01:00:25.380 documentary is a construction. What archive music did you choose from the archive library?

01:00:30.540 what music for that scene why why did you cut away there where's the rest of the interview how

01:00:35.500 many times did you talk to that person what did you tell that person when you were talking to them

01:00:39.840 so it was an extraordinary time and I have absolutely I will say this no animosity to

01:00:47.780 anyone involved because I can see why you would do it I can see if you look back at something 20

01:00:52.860 years ago 25 years ago where you had sex in a bathroom with a stranger why would you not like 0.80

01:00:59.240 If you see a documentary, that guy, he's a villain. 0.98

01:01:01.920 He was dressed in black.

01:01:03.340 He loomed.

01:01:03.920 His eyes changed suddenly.

01:01:06.580 It's extraordinary.

01:01:07.920 It's extraordinary.

01:01:09.100 But the reason that there were no allegations, I'm assuming,

01:01:12.960 contemporaneously or during Me Too or, you know,

01:01:16.700 all the way up to there was a television program called

01:01:19.080 Russell Brand has secretly been committing all these sexual offences.

01:01:22.820 I'm assuming, and then there was a phone number at the end of it,

01:01:25.480 have you ever met Russell Brand?

01:01:29.240 then I'm assuming that was a component in this.

01:01:32.160 So either we believe that the Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch,

01:01:35.720 are a great, you know, they're a force for good in the world.

01:01:39.100 And, you know, hard cash, whose name has certain indications,

01:01:42.700 that they're there to help us

01:01:44.280 and that the mainstream media at large are here to help us.

01:01:47.140 Or there might be some other agenda at play.

01:01:49.520 That if people are prominently talking about COVID and Moderna and Pfizer

01:01:52.680 and Rishi Sunak invested in Moderna when it only had five employees

01:01:56.420 and then when he was Chancellor and Prime Minister,

01:01:58.140 they did deals with Moderna to the tune of millions

01:02:00.920 and all of the things that we understand

01:02:02.560 took place in the COVID period

01:02:03.840 or the Ukrainian war

01:02:05.260 and that the CIA carve-out, I should say

01:02:07.760 made content saying Russell Brands an asset for Russia

01:02:10.240 and put it into Ukrainian language

01:02:11.640 that's an indication of the presence of the state

01:02:13.560 or if the 77th Brigade run by Mark Lancaster

01:02:16.060 who's married to Caroline Dynage

01:02:18.880 who's the department head of the social media department

01:02:22.440 and Caroline Dynage on like day one 1.00

01:02:24.860 of Russell Brands accused of sex crimes

01:02:27.400 who's like, he should be demonetized on X and YouTube.

01:02:29.820 When did she learn what the word demonetized means?

01:02:32.160 When did she learn that?

01:02:32.840 Does she know about CPMs, does she?

01:02:34.640 And programmatic ads?

01:02:36.500 Or did she have a conversation with someone?

01:02:37.900 I wonder who.

01:02:38.460 I wonder if it was her husband, Mark Lancaster.

01:02:40.540 Guess what their job is?

01:02:41.260 When Britain are occupying or working in Afghanistan or Syria

01:02:46.280 or wherever to protect us, the 77th Brigade,

01:02:50.000 what they do is ensure that there is no significant uprising

01:02:53.860 by managing the social media,

01:02:55.940 by de-amplifying and controlling social media in e.g. Afghanistan or Syria

01:03:00.420 to make sure that only the correct rebel factions are able to organise their information.

01:03:05.560 Shadow banning, we'd call it here.

01:03:07.220 Well, 77th Brigade aren't allowed to operate in the UK

01:03:09.720 because you're not allowed to use military psyops on a domestic population,

01:03:12.720 except in COVID.

01:03:15.000 Special suspension was made, allowing 77th Brigade to operate inside the UK

01:03:20.420 and to allow them, and it said this in the Times newspaper,

01:03:23.580 the same newspaper, in fact, that published much of the nefarious and untrue reporting about me

01:03:29.400 that 77th Brigade are going to take down vaccine misinformation, social media commentators. Now,

01:03:35.920 in the UK, that's who I was and what I was. That was what I was doing. I was providing an

01:03:43.060 alternative narrative. The YouTube channel was exploding. It was extraordinary. And I was

01:03:48.280 beginning to think I have to be involved in politics. It's not enough. It's not enough to

01:03:54.000 just talk about this. Indeed, look at what's happened with cryptocurrency. Technology means

01:03:58.880 that the same centralized financial institutions cannot control global finances in the way they

01:04:03.560 once did. Don't look too much into where that power is primarily housed, but it seems that you

01:04:08.560 can generate false revenue for inflationary measures. You can control entire economies and

01:04:13.500 indeed base an economy on the one thing that's explicitly forbidden in here, debt and usury.

01:04:19.020 Thankfully, all our debts are paid by the one who truly loves us. So technology changed currency

01:04:24.520 and finance forever. Technology is changing media forever. It's inevitable that it will change

01:04:30.900 politics when people accept that we now have the technology for direct participatory democracy,

01:04:37.080 where every single issue could be polled and voted on by the population, that you could have

01:04:42.620 minimum centralization and minimum intervention as the principles. That the states, each state

01:04:49.480 could be independent wherever possible. Each town could be independent wherever possible.

01:04:54.280 Each individual could be independent wherever possible. In here, of course, we have some

01:04:58.020 significant guidelines for transgressive behaviors that would require legal intervention. And pretty

01:05:03.140 much all of us know what those are. We've all, indeed, C.S. Lewis's primary argument, along with

01:05:07.740 Aquinas is morality doesn't have to be engineered and it's not some sort of post-truth, post-structuralist,

01:05:13.860 there is no truth, arbitrary thing. We all know good and bad because we feel it viscerally and we

01:05:18.660 feel it in our cardiovascular system. We have inbuilt senses if you don't turn them off with

01:05:23.000 vaccines and bad food and bad signals continually. In a manageable way, Tucker, the City of London

01:05:29.960 is having an election for mayor in 2028. The reason this is fascinating is because the office

01:05:35.680 of mayor is manageable. The London mayor, Sadiq Khan, right now is only in control of the

01:05:40.720 Metropolitan Police Force, London transport, and certain issues regarding planning and housing.

01:05:47.600 All of these areas in a participatory direct democracy could be opened up to people that

01:05:52.540 live in London, that love London. All of a sudden, you don't have politics that thrives and runs on

01:05:58.260 ideology and debate. You have a pragmatic democracy. Do you want you, Les, cameras that

01:06:04.740 charge you if you have a certain type of vehicle. Do you want a congestion charge? Vote for it. If

01:06:09.080 you vote yes, we'll do it. If you vote no, we won't. Do you want this type of policing where

01:06:13.860 people are arrested for Facebook posts? Or do you want to focus on knife crime? Which boroughs,

01:06:18.660 which areas, what time of day? Do you want us to investigate historic crimes? Or do you want us to

01:06:24.040 focus on contemporary rape gangs? The beauty of it is you would say, we have an opinion and we

01:06:31.020 have a voice and we have advocacy, you could even, if you wanted, for free, because there's no way I

01:06:35.620 would pay people to do this, have a council of elders from the LGBTQ plus community, from the

01:06:41.460 Muslim community, from the white working class community, from the left and from the right,

01:06:45.260 from all potential groups and say, why don't you advocate and advise? Because I don't want to be 1.00

01:06:50.880 in charge of London. I want to participate in an end to the kind of politics that we know is

01:06:56.520 birthing, midwifing the apocalypse and Armageddon through duplicity, through conflict, through

01:07:02.680 endless self-obsession, through pornography, through addiction, using addiction, even where

01:07:07.740 it doesn't typically play out every time we look at a screen, the food that we eat, the things we

01:07:12.600 believe about ourselves. I would like to run for mayor of London in 2028 so that the people of

01:07:19.480 London would run it, so that politicians are not involved in politics, so we have true, open source,

01:07:25.240 transparent democracy. I bet you, like me, do polymarket adverts. They seem to be advertising

01:07:29.720 absolutely everywhere. That technology for polling and electing could be used to determine where you

01:07:35.220 want your local budget spent, who you want running a particular area of public life, if there is a

01:07:40.760 requirement for any representation. And most importantly, you will be in control of your own

01:07:44.980 lives. And we don't need to quarrel and squabble about Islam and Islamic invasion. If the people

01:07:50.800 of Epping don't want to have migrants in their community, then let them vote on it. Now, that's 1.00

01:07:55.680 not an area that the London mayor controls, but certainly if the polling was available, it would

01:07:59.960 be difficult to impose that on the people of Epping. Perhaps if people in other communities

01:08:03.960 are very pro-refugees, they would get a budget for and the ability to house refugees. There's

01:08:10.340 no point in us living in this tower of babble madness of incessant, unending conflict online

01:08:17.480 and sometimes in person when we have the opportunity for real community, real change.

01:08:22.840 At this point, Tucker, we know that the Republicans aren't the answer,

01:08:26.280 the Democrats aren't the answer, the Conservatives aren't the answer,

01:08:28.740 the Labour Party, the Greens, Reform, whoever.

01:08:31.860 What you want is for people to be absolutely empowered in their own lives,

01:08:34.880 as our Lord suggests.

01:08:35.900 Each of us has direct access to divine truth,

01:08:38.880 and you can participate as much as you want to.

01:08:40.800 So that I want to tell you as well,

01:08:42.720 that my intention amidst all this madness with a forthcoming trial

01:08:46.000 and a book out that I'm very pleased with.

01:08:48.100 I'm going to run for mayor of London in 2028.

01:08:51.080 You're going back to the UK?

01:08:53.120 Well, yes, possibly to serve a jail sentence.

01:08:56.740 I wasn't going to ask you about this because I'm upset about it.

01:09:00.600 And I just want to say for the record as clearly as I can

01:09:03.160 that I buy your explanation completely.

01:09:07.880 And I think you were, I think this is a lie

01:09:10.160 and that you're facing like a real jail term

01:09:13.260 because you spoke against the people in power.

01:09:15.620 I don't think there's any other way to interpret it.

01:09:18.660 So that's my position, just to be clear.

01:09:20.660 But what exactly are you looking at?

01:09:24.380 Like what happens next?

01:09:28.140 I'll be on trial in October.

01:09:31.340 Of this year?

01:09:32.320 Yes. 0.66

01:09:33.320 And I don't want to be willfully ignorant, of course,

01:09:37.820 but I tend not to ask what will happen if I'm not acquitted

01:09:41.540 because I've got a wife and three young children.

01:09:46.160 Also, by the way,

01:09:48.040 I do believe if someone committed a rape 20, 25 years ago, 0.65

01:09:51.100 and that's proven to be true,

01:09:52.760 that person should go to jail. 1.00

01:09:53.800 Rape is abhorrent.

01:09:55.300 I watched the other day, 1.00

01:09:56.420 something like Pretty Woman with my wife, 0.98

01:09:58.360 and when there's an attempted rape

01:10:00.580 by the brilliant Jason Alexander,

01:10:02.720 it's an appalling, abhorrent, jarring moment.

01:10:06.020 It's the worst thing.

01:10:06.700 When I watched it from the position I'm in now,

01:10:08.260 it's like, that's what? 0.99

01:10:09.340 What the fuck? 1.00

01:10:09.980 How dare you say that I would do that? 1.00

01:10:12.140 How dare you say that I would do that?

01:10:14.660 I have a kind of a magnetic allure.

01:10:17.220 I'm not saying I wasn't at a pretty appalling lowlife of an individual,

01:10:21.500 but what I was not doing was imposing, forcing, coercing,

01:10:28.120 attracting, charming, seducing.

01:10:30.160 Anyway, of course.

01:10:32.260 Well, that's the pleasure in it.

01:10:33.680 It's like fishing.

01:10:34.580 That's why dynamite fishing is no fun.

01:10:36.960 Fly fishing is lots of fun.

01:10:38.380 Do people use dynamite in fishing?

01:10:39.900 Of course they do.

01:10:40.860 Right, that should be banned as well.

01:10:42.580 But I'm just saying, if I'm out of London, that goes on day one.

01:10:45.940 But most men, yeah, I mean, I know that there are rapists out there

01:10:49.100 and I think they should be severely punished.

01:10:50.900 Most normal people think that.

01:10:52.040 Yes.

01:10:52.760 But most men, I've never met any man who got drunk

01:10:57.300 and told me his secret desire is to force sex in anyone.

01:10:59.900 That's the opposite of what I think most men want.

01:11:02.660 Yes.

01:11:03.060 Correct?

01:11:03.460 Because the currency is love.

01:11:04.940 Well, that's exactly right.

01:11:06.440 And it's also like I lured this person with my charms.

01:11:10.440 Isn't that how men feel?

01:11:11.500 I think they do.

01:11:12.040 I think primarily, and I pray ultimately most men, yes.

01:11:16.040 So why, okay, so this whole thing happens.

01:11:18.560 You get charged.

01:11:19.400 I was actually in the British Isles the day this happened

01:11:22.400 and I called you, I'll never forget it.

01:11:24.540 And I gave the bad advice I give to everyone

01:11:26.600 who's charged in a political case like this,

01:11:29.100 which is run as fast as you can to a country

01:11:30.760 with no extradition treaty and like don't,

01:11:33.340 which is an option.

01:11:35.220 It is an option. 0.68

01:11:35.920 Of course, run away. This whole system is rigged against people who question its most basic

01:11:42.860 premises as you have. So why are you submitting? You're choosing to participate in this to take

01:11:49.380 the risk to submit. Why? Firstly, because I believe all things are from God and I recognize

01:11:57.140 that this is what it took for me to accept that my life is not my own. I belong to a higher calling,

01:12:03.980 a higher purpose. I recognize that. I also recognize that what I demonstrated and how I

01:12:10.180 lived for a long time was wrong. I also believe in trial by jury, as a matter of fact, even though

01:12:16.860 the United Kingdom are trying to obliterate that, and that's not a good sign. They're trying to

01:12:20.840 remove that, except for murder and rape cases. But they are, as well as advancing surveillance

01:12:27.260 technology, facial recognition, digital ID, all of the things you're aware of in the dystopian UK,

01:12:31.660 They're trying to get rid of jury trial.

01:12:33.380 And I believe it is possible to have a fair trial.

01:12:36.140 And I believe it is necessary to confront and stand up and stand firm in your conviction,

01:12:41.860 in this case, in my conviction, about the truth of what I have done and what I haven't done.

01:12:47.400 Because as a Christian, we're all forgiven for all of the things we've done wrong.

01:12:51.460 But you don't need to be forgiven for things you haven't done.

01:12:54.760 And there is, of course, in a way, no choice.

01:12:58.080 You say that, I could go to a place where there's no extradition treaty,

01:13:01.660 And in the moments of my worst fear, you know, those are the kind of things I think about.

01:13:06.280 But in reality, Tucker, it says in here, the book of James opens with, we consider it pure joy when we face trials of any kind.

01:13:16.740 And there's no exemption in the Christian life.

01:13:19.280 It's not like, well, except unless you actually do have a trial, in which case, get yourself to Bora Bora, quick smile.

01:13:26.900 You know, this is what I'm called to do.

01:13:29.460 This is what I am called to do.

01:13:30.960 This is what we are being called to do.

01:13:32.880 I'm not trying to drag you into my terrible trial with me.

01:13:35.140 I'm saying that your trial, I think, is of a comparable nature.

01:13:40.480 Because in a sense, it's sort of inadvertent that we find ourselves in this position,

01:13:44.340 that you had an enormous audience on Fox, and then you become an independent journalist

01:13:49.480 and become even more successful.

01:13:51.220 And you go from advocating for Trump for reasons that are perfectly understandable

01:13:55.960 to condemning Trump for equally evident and obvious reasons.

01:14:00.040 even if we take personalities out of it, the Iran war,

01:14:03.100 that where does that go for you now?

01:14:05.240 What are you going to be called to do?

01:14:07.320 You will note that most of the people that get called in here

01:14:10.140 are like, no, thanks.

01:14:11.620 I'd rather not.

01:14:12.760 I'd rather not.

01:14:14.380 I've always been a bit of a glory hunter kind of,

01:14:17.040 you know, well, that's actually the wrong way to put it.

01:14:19.460 I felt so worthless and inferior as a child,

01:14:23.260 so this sort of unapproved of, unwanted and unloved.

01:14:27.120 That's not to do with my parents.

01:14:28.120 They really did their level best.

01:14:30.040 And then as a drug addict, anyone who's like the kind of drug addict I was, you're moving 0.94

01:14:33.840 among poor people, prostitutes, broken people. 0.99

01:14:38.400 And all of that time, I felt a kind of an emptiness and a worthlessness. 0.94

01:14:42.560 And when my identity was fulfilled, it seemed at least to me, in a kind of stardom and acceptance

01:14:48.080 and being lauded and applauded and celebrated and loved and given the kind of attention

01:14:52.280 that I thought would work.

01:14:53.100 And it was really quickly meaningless and empty after this beautiful golden moment of

01:14:57.740 feeling like, oh, wow, Lord, you love me.

01:15:00.040 I feel that there is nothing for us to do but to lovingly participate in whatever he puts in front of us.

01:15:08.480 And the examples are alive in here.

01:15:10.640 All of them are persecuted and often just killed for what they believe in.

01:15:16.740 Normally, because at some point they encounter conflict with real power, 0.64

01:15:22.220 either the kind of cultural Pharisaic power of the early Christians 0.89

01:15:27.180 or the monarchical, oligarchical, terrifying despotism

01:15:32.040 of the kings of the earlier empires. 0.66

01:15:35.340 And for the first Christians, their role was to,

01:15:39.320 well, indeed, isn't the primary character of their conversion

01:15:44.780 all these people that were willing to look into the eyes of people,

01:15:49.100 people, including the 12-year-old girl at the fire, and Peter said, I don't know him, I've never met

01:15:54.400 that guy, where minutes ago he was willing to sort of get in a fight for him. But these people,

01:15:58.860 these men, these ordinary men and women, these ordinary Christians, when they're confronted with

01:16:03.280 a moment where they might have to die for what they believe in, take it. Now, I recognize I'm

01:16:06.200 not standing in trial for being a Christian, I'm standing in trial according to the lexicon of the

01:16:11.800 British judiciary for the crimes that I've already discussed. But what this is my opportunity to do

01:16:17.980 is to show that I believe in truth.

01:16:20.000 I believe you can have a justice system

01:16:21.620 because there is a God.

01:16:23.340 If you don't believe in God,

01:16:24.500 you can't have absolute justice or absolute truth.

01:16:27.600 They are by definition constructs of the human mind

01:16:30.860 arrived at using a mind that by its own belief

01:16:34.700 is itself an arbitrary system born of chaos.

01:16:39.060 You can't have morality.

01:16:40.500 And when you live in that culture,

01:16:41.580 and most people do, a lot of people seem to anyway,

01:16:43.920 because I'm talking about like a lot of Christians

01:16:45.660 aren't living like, oh my God, this is actually real.

01:16:47.220 and that's, of course, forgivable. The first Christians had that problem. They found it hard 0.89

01:16:51.720 to live as Christians, live as disciples of Christ, yoked to him, following him, eyes on him at all

01:16:57.740 times. This is, for me, a difficult thing. I wish it would go away. I wish it would go away. But what

01:17:03.420 I pray for is the strength to be who I am in him as I walk through it and to go where he wants me

01:17:10.520 to go. I don't want power no more. I don't want the power of being a celebrity or the mayor of

01:17:16.120 London or a Lothario. I don't want that. All I want is to know him intimately. And I forget that

01:17:21.640 sometimes because I'm weak and I'm easily distracted and I'm fallen. But in him, I'm none

01:17:28.120 of those things. He made me and you and everybody to know him, to know him and love him. And it

01:17:34.260 doesn't all have to be on a big grand global stage in great big trials against a fallen nation.

01:17:39.820 Britain's fallen apart. That's obvious. It's evident. It's on a different trajectory from

01:17:42.800 your country. It's still owned by dark imperial power. And the thing about the idea of participatory 0.91

01:17:48.380 direct democracy, Tucker, is I don't care if I don't want to sit in an office somewhere making

01:17:52.240 decisions. I want to pray all of the time. I want to be with God and I want to be with my children

01:17:55.700 and with the people I love. And to tell people, to do what it says in the Great Commission,

01:17:59.540 tell people in a language that they'll understand, God is real. Christ is real. Stop worshiping the

01:18:04.040 world. You're going to die. You're going to die. And it's all meaningless. All of us, evidently, 1.00

01:18:08.580 all of us have experienced grief and death. I can't even get through the death of my dog

01:18:12.280 without jesus in fact but with jesus the death of my dog shows me oh my god i may find it hard

01:18:19.720 to think of a galilean man 2026 years ago laying down their life for me but i know that dog would

01:18:26.000 have done it i know that dog would have done it and that opened enough in me to for me to receive

01:18:30.980 him more deeply when my beloved dog died i don't want to be in any other communion i don't want to

01:18:35.140 be in any other conversation i don't want any of the world's power anymore i know how broken i am

01:18:41.640 and how corruptible I am.

01:18:42.700 And I know I can't take my eyes off him for a second,

01:18:44.680 but thankfully I see him everywhere now.

01:18:49.560 So you began this process,

01:18:52.320 well, you began the process at the beginning of your life,

01:18:54.500 but you began the conscious change from pagan to Christian

01:18:59.180 or whatever you were before to Christian

01:19:00.740 after your son was diagnosed with a very serious ailment

01:19:07.740 and you found out you're going to be indicted for rape.

01:19:10.400 that's that's what it takes i'm not easily converted hey there was this guy he helped

01:19:17.540 people yeah so what that's probably not true he's the son of god i don't care people are doing

01:19:22.980 miracles you're in trouble okay all right okay okay you've got me what i need to do explain it

01:19:30.000 the what i so i watched it carefully and you and i talked about it as it was happening and i just

01:19:35.120 thought it was one of the most wonderful things and by the way i just have to just pause for a

01:19:39.180 two-minute story, which I think I've told before, but it's my favorite story ever,

01:19:42.200 that we went to Easter a few years ago, and we had dinner the night before,

01:19:46.080 and you were talking about how you're going to get baptized, and we went to this Easter service.

01:19:50.600 It was an outside Easter service on the beach, and these two kids come up to me. They were

01:19:54.980 college students from Purdue in Indiana, and they said, is that Russell Brand? This is the next

01:20:00.780 morning after we had talked about baptism, and I said, yeah, that's Russell Brand. Yeah,

01:20:04.060 Russell Brand, my friend Russell Brand. They said, that's incredible. We have been praying

01:20:08.860 in our church that Russell Brand would get baptized. And we just find ourselves here this

01:20:14.680 morning at this church service, which is nowhere near where they live. And I said, I felt emotional

01:20:21.160 hearing this. I said, we were just talking about his baptism last night. And then they walked up

01:20:25.240 and introduced themselves to you. And I just thought, wow. I mean, I guess I already knew

01:20:28.500 this, but there aren't coincidences. Like we are in the middle of a drama that we didn't write.

01:20:36.100 um so then you get baptized and then you start talking about jesus and immediately people say

01:20:42.920 well the guy's an actor and a comedian he puts on personas for a living and they don't believe you

01:20:48.360 and they make fun of you what was that like that experience i didn't really mind that actually

01:20:53.560 because it's always a different reality at that point yeah you i and also remember i've got this

01:20:57.820 good foundation of 12 steps the 12 steps too requires that you surrender your identity as

01:21:02.620 an alcoholic and as a drug addict, you come to believe there's a power greater than yourself,

01:21:06.440 you hand over your will and your life to the care of God as you understand God. But the problem,

01:21:10.300 I think, with paganism is one will always revert to self. If everything is God, then anything is 0.93

01:21:17.580 God, and I know what I tend towards. Me, I'm God. I should be in charge. That's what I incline

01:21:22.800 towards. So when I was in here, I don't like people saying that, you know, if it was up to me,

01:21:27.880 people would only say nice things about me

01:21:29.580 all of the time

01:21:30.760 but like I reckon

01:21:32.060 that would be bad for us

01:21:33.080 if that happened

01:21:33.660 don't you think

01:21:34.240 yes I don't think that would work

01:21:35.580 because I tried to surround myself

01:21:36.620 in a little sycophantic bubble

01:21:38.020 and in various points in my life

01:21:39.740 and it hasn't worked out at all well for me

01:21:41.380 so I don't mind about that

01:21:44.660 I don't care about that at all

01:21:46.900 actually because

01:21:47.980 really because it infuriated me watching it

01:21:50.920 really because I actually

01:21:51.780 because I knew it wasn't true

01:21:53.000 and it really bothered me

01:21:54.540 thank you

01:21:55.180 that's really kind of you

01:21:56.480 but it had no effect on you

01:21:57.540 That's funny.

01:21:58.000 Well, actually, I was around really good Christians

01:21:59.620 that were sort of like going, well done.

01:22:01.440 I was so encouraged.

01:22:03.520 I would send people.

01:22:05.940 When I got baptized, because those kids,

01:22:08.120 they were trying to, they were back.

01:22:09.100 I remember those kids from hanging out with you

01:22:11.300 that time around Easter.

01:22:12.360 They were like, hey, I baptized her.

01:22:13.800 Can we baptize you?

01:22:14.580 We baptize each other.

01:22:15.860 It was like they were going to gang baptize me

01:22:17.440 there and then.

01:22:19.100 And I knew that Bear Grylls had been saying to me,

01:22:23.400 hey, he actually termed it this way.

01:22:25.340 Shall we get baptized is what he said.

01:22:27.940 And I thought, oh, me, because I had been so solipsistic up to that point,

01:22:32.140 I didn't know that Bear Grylls is a pretty passionate Christian

01:22:34.660 and had been public about it.

01:22:36.000 So I thought, oh, Bear Grylls is on this trip, is he?

01:22:37.660 I'll get baptised with him.

01:22:38.600 Well, when he arrived, it was quite plain that only I was getting baptised.

01:22:41.800 Then there was the obvious and evident demonic coughing,

01:22:45.180 like I could not stop coughing.

01:22:47.040 The pastor arrived by boat, my friend Joe, who's a Catholic,

01:22:50.080 was one side of me, that hefty fallen man.

01:22:53.260 And Bear on the other side, it's like, you know,

01:22:54.920 It takes me sort of career criminals and the SAS to baptize me.

01:23:00.200 We got in that water and I couldn't stop coughing.

01:23:02.080 You know when you get an embarrassing cough?

01:23:03.500 Oh, yeah.

01:23:04.240 One of them happened.

01:23:05.360 They were looking at each other.

01:23:06.520 We got in that River Thames.

01:23:07.840 I went under.

01:23:08.600 I came out and I felt different.

01:23:11.520 I felt different.

01:23:12.660 Now, a lot of companies in the UK that are in charge of water franchises

01:23:15.880 have not behaved responsibly with that river.

01:23:17.880 So it could be diphtheria.

01:23:19.100 It could be all sorts of things.

01:23:20.680 Cholera.

01:23:21.200 Cholera.

01:23:21.700 It could have been many of those things.

01:23:22.500 But I came out and I felt different and I've not really, I felt an increasing, anyone that's

01:23:27.760 Christian or has come to Christ as an adult knows what it's like. There is a subtle vacillation.

01:23:33.620 There is at least temptation, a calling to go back. What if I did this? There is, I can feel

01:23:39.100 the old identity. Wasn't it Spurgeon who says, you know, you are drowned in Christ, but sure,

01:23:43.380 you're sure enough, the old guy can swim. The old man can really swim. I feel the old man. I feel

01:23:47.720 the adam man in me the old earth man for the fallen man calling back but i feel closer and

01:23:54.240 closer to him all the time i feel like i'm able to have this conversation with you in christ

01:23:58.120 enough so that it doesn't seem to me to be a problem if some people go i think you're only

01:24:03.460 but i don't know if you know how the british legal system works but there is no contingency

01:24:06.880 for christians britain has just made like abortion legal till your 25th birthday like we can abort 0.62

01:24:12.020 you now if we have to we can euthanize you if you say i've got a headache euthanize him euthanize him

01:24:18.200 they're changing the law to put the power of god into the hands of man right now so saying i'm a 0.92

01:24:22.760 christian it's not like you know in britain the way things are going right now where they i pray

01:24:26.840 for revival i pray for revival yes i do too no one seems to be questioning the fact you can't

01:24:31.580 have a justice system without a god without god there is no justice because the justice means

01:24:35.860 absolute right right absolute truth that's what it means it means it's possible to aspire to that

01:24:41.500 it's there, that there is a path, that there is a way. No one's thinking about these things as

01:24:44.900 they churn through mad post-enlightenment despair and atrophy and entropy as the whole thing seems

01:24:52.220 to dissipate and degenerate. And as we nominate AI to be our moral center and create new false

01:25:00.080 consciousness, new false gods at an alarming rate, no one's considering that we've got no grounding

01:25:05.200 in truth. And until we have systems that represent our true role, yet we are stewards of the earth.

01:25:11.700 That's why we love the earth. We are its stewards. We must love one another because that's what we're

01:25:16.160 here to do. Under God. When we get rid of that and put ourselves at the top, then we're just

01:25:20.500 quarreling about ideologies. How much longer in American politics do you want to go between,

01:25:25.240 right, we won. Let's spend the next four years desecrating the beliefs of this group. Right,

01:25:30.340 we won. Let's desecrate the beliefs of this group. Then we won. Before we recognize, well,

01:25:34.780 this isn't real. What are we doing? The real agenda is carrying on in plain sight. And it

01:25:40.240 seems to be a geopolitical agenda that has some weird connection both to energy, which is another

01:25:45.160 word for power, and indeed occultism, which means hidden ritual, hidden power. Something is going on,

01:25:54.380 something that I don't think any of us really understand. And you, more than anyone, it seems

01:25:58.080 to me, at least right now, appear to have been nominated to describe it to people. You're doing

01:26:03.300 Well, I don't understand it at all.

01:26:05.160 And luckily, I do understand almost everything on like a dog level.

01:26:09.600 It has to be very obvious for me to pick it up.

01:26:13.860 But I do believe that symbols are resonant.

01:26:16.700 That's why people use them.

01:26:18.700 And if all around you, you see obvious signs that people have a religious agenda.

01:26:25.800 I have been around powerful people for so long that one thing I've learned is they're the most religious people.

01:26:33.300 of all and they all pretend to be agnostic or i don't believe in anything i believe in science

01:26:39.960 no no no they are observant religious people they're just not worshiping the same god

01:26:45.040 but they think their power is supernatural there's no doubt about it i know them and they believe

01:26:50.360 they're special because they're getting supernatural power and i think it's demonic

01:26:53.620 power i think it's really obvious look at the fruits but they know it they know it they're

01:26:59.020 observant religious people. You mean through practice, through ritual? Correct. Correct. Yes.

01:27:09.200 Yes, absolutely. I mean, and it's always the same. It's the temptation of Christ. Bow down before me

01:27:14.480 and all this will be yours. But I mean, there's no question in my mind that, you know, the killing,

01:27:22.220 the ritual killing of other people, whether through war, abortion or euthanasia, the death

01:27:26.960 penalty um it is it's a religious ritual of course and through killing the shedding of blood

01:27:34.040 of others especially of innocence they derive power what's what's child molestation there's

01:27:40.360 no sexual attraction to children in nature because there's no reproductive possibility

01:27:45.400 so normal people are not of course there's nothing sexual about molesting a child

01:27:49.720 the point of it is to defile right i mean that's that's why it's so common

01:27:57.460 yes it's not because they have like weird sexual or there's nothing sexual about it it's like when

01:28:02.820 i destroy purity and beauty i gain supernatural power i think that can be eroticized by sure but

01:28:11.400 the eroticization is in itself a kind of charge i believe this is where again we would look to

01:28:17.860 the outliers in the conspiracy community of i know that you know we talked at the beginning of

01:28:24.500 how we've moved from mainstream media purview where you know just to say that i'm from the

01:28:28.940 new york times or the bbc is insufficient that doesn't that is not a badge of honor and authority

01:28:33.020 anymore those days are gone except for the sort of there's kind of nostalgia around it i suppose

01:28:37.260 but then like um you know people that have been that are eccentric and are kooky and perhaps

01:28:42.340 Perhaps because our culture hasn't afforded the roles that are emerging from this new kind of Jungian psyche that we're creating.

01:28:50.520 We're creating a new consciousness through AI, through the internet, through mass comms. 0.55

01:28:54.420 And so you will have the dark woman, the shadow woman that tells truth, and mad and frantic red-faced preachers screaming, or broken, wounded men. 0.81

01:29:07.500 You will have converts and apostates too. 0.51

01:29:10.300 that's you and probably me too

01:29:12.360 you will have the

01:29:13.800 and like see David Icke

01:29:15.240 what I always feel about him is

01:29:16.420 why can't the culture accommodate him

01:29:18.020 and what on earth was it that happened

01:29:19.180 even in the brief time that I was in media

01:29:21.000 where we could

01:29:22.420 I used to have a radio show on the BBC

01:29:23.760 BBC2 very popular and normal

01:29:25.460 I got thrown off it of course

01:29:26.460 because I did something ridiculous as usual

01:29:28.640 but like David Icke 0.71

01:29:30.820 he used to just come on

01:29:32.260 I'd go David Icke so tell us what

01:29:33.400 the Queen's a lizard 1.00

01:29:34.080 and yes there are reptilian entities

01:29:35.780 now what David Icke would say

01:29:37.160 about the rituals that involve child abuse

01:29:39.980 are that it generates an energy

01:29:41.880 that I believe they call louche

01:29:43.360 that sort of is being utilized

01:29:45.020 and all that adrenochrome stuff

01:29:46.540 it's starting to seem eerily

01:29:47.560 we're not moving away from that direction

01:29:49.540 is what I'm saying

01:29:51.180 is it's like that

01:29:52.100 there's one vocabulary that describes it

01:29:54.060 that seems conspiratorial

01:29:55.240 somewhat sort of baroque in its imagery

01:29:57.660 and then but the other one is in here

01:29:59.760 I mean it's like child sacrifice

01:30:01.520 is clearly what they play

01:30:02.680 at those high altars 0.98

01:30:04.400 for Moloch and Baal and Beelzebul 0.98

01:30:06.900 like that they're demanding innocence 0.85

01:30:08.720 and there is some sort of weirder right component.

01:30:10.800 And what was Jezebel doing

01:30:12.460 when Elijah had to take all that time out,

01:30:14.780 drove himself all nuts?

01:30:15.180 None of this is, I mean, it's all bad,

01:30:18.320 but it's certainly not anomalous or strange.

01:30:21.480 It's like the story of every civilization

01:30:23.140 from the beginning of recorded history

01:30:24.560 is always operated on the basis of what we're describing.

01:30:27.080 I saw you say what you think all of a sudden,

01:30:29.700 like throughout, for time immemorial,

01:30:31.920 the elites and most powerful people

01:30:33.840 have had access to like sexual pleasure.

01:30:36.840 You think that's all of a sudden stopped now?

01:30:39.060 You think they're not doing it now because of rationalism?

01:30:41.980 Because of what? 0.98

01:30:43.160 It's so silly. 0.97

01:30:44.420 Of course they're doing that. 0.93

01:30:45.660 And I suppose, isn't it strange because now we can't talk around power anymore.

01:30:51.160 That's what the decline of Trump does, I think,

01:30:54.840 is it means you can't have this convenient, albeit temporary symbol

01:30:59.700 of resurgent American pride and nationalism

01:31:03.160 through common sense and free market and America first

01:31:06.500 when there's a war with Iran 0.99

01:31:09.620 that appears to be beneficial

01:31:11.160 to extra American interest.

01:31:13.600 You can't have that anymore.

01:31:14.660 Now it's like, oh, right, so you too, huh?

01:31:16.940 And that's...

01:31:18.020 But what do you mean we can't talk around power anymore?

01:31:21.380 When we talk about power now,

01:31:24.040 of course, even though I don't particularly read it,

01:31:25.760 one can sense the hysterical glee

01:31:29.560 of the Democratic left.

01:31:31.520 We told you, Tucker Carlson, 1.00

01:31:34.220 that Trump's a madman. 1.00

01:31:35.680 We told you that he was a narcissist. 1.00

01:31:38.760 We could have had Kamala Harris in that White House right now.

01:31:42.880 She would have never have gone to war with Iran. 0.98

01:31:45.880 Kamala Harris would have stood firm.

01:31:47.260 You saw the way that woman described problems 1.00

01:31:49.540 and definitely wasn't drinking in the daytime. 1.00

01:31:51.720 She would have resolved all of this.

01:31:54.500 Get her now.

01:31:55.200 Is it too late?

01:31:55.880 Would she do it? 0.98

01:31:56.500 She might run again.

01:31:57.400 Quick, it's not too late.

01:31:58.660 What about Gavin Newsom?

01:31:59.500 He's got nice hair.

01:32:00.400 AOC, she was a bartender, you know.

01:32:02.180 Come on. 1.00

01:32:03.520 See reason.

01:32:04.920 See reason.

01:32:05.680 But like also Republican Party, who are we going to get excited about?

01:32:11.320 I mean, look, I look, you know, I what I used to criticize when I was affiliated with the

01:32:16.560 left by virtue of the class of my birth and the champagne socialism version of that as

01:32:21.340 a sort of a star type guy, I used to the argument I used to really find quite repugnant was,

01:32:27.360 well, of course, we know the left's not perfect.

01:32:30.500 We know that Tony Blair is compromised.

01:32:32.600 We know that Keir Starmer at the CPS was dreadfully authoritarian, as I heard you once say.

01:32:37.340 You won't convince me even at gunpoint that that guy's making decisions himself.

01:32:41.060 I love that.

01:32:43.320 Just let them, because the alternative is so much worse.

01:32:47.040 The alternative is so much worse.

01:32:48.400 And using that polarity modality, they've bounced us around for about 100 years, if not longer.

01:32:56.440 If not longer.

01:32:57.120 And now, so when I say real power, surely we should be considering now, okay, so ethno-nationalist, America first, populism, conservatism with kind of allusions to Christianity, without heeding Chesterton's warning, Christianity has not been tried and found wanting.

01:33:20.800 It has been found difficult and not been tried.

01:33:24.360 and like for us to recognize

01:33:26.540 it's hard to be a Christian

01:33:27.840 because it starts with you

01:33:29.200 like I'm the problem

01:33:30.240 like Chester also said

01:33:31.380 I'm the problem

01:33:32.080 I'm the problem

01:33:32.920 that's the truest thing

01:33:33.880 and like you said

01:33:34.760 yeah you said

01:33:35.280 I see that resonates with you

01:33:36.480 that's the price of admission

01:33:37.460 well I just think

01:33:38.020 that's the beginning

01:33:38.720 of liberation

01:33:40.140 it's like it's the beginning

01:33:41.820 of a healing

01:33:42.780 a fractured relationship

01:33:43.920 is always the same

01:33:44.920 you acknowledge

01:33:45.960 that it's your fault

01:33:46.740 and it stays fractured

01:33:49.120 this is true

01:33:49.980 of a relationship

01:33:50.760 between another person

01:33:51.640 and a relationship

01:33:52.320 between you and God

01:33:53.020 it only begins to be healed when you admit what you did wrong that's just true that's just a fact

01:33:59.440 it doesn't work otherwise does it no it doesn't and i'm trying to do that in the areas where i

01:34:03.600 have been wrong while in the difficult situation of being accused of things i haven't done and

01:34:08.260 that's been a real little tightrope walk and certainly more than i can what's yours so are

01:34:11.500 you going to get a chance to say this i want to come by the way will you oh obviously i mean i

01:34:16.220 don't know if they'll let you in the dark because i'd like you in there i mean they got excited when

01:34:19.300 i had a bible in there like they someone came and took the bible off me she was a lovely lady

01:34:23.220 actually but i was holding the bible i was in there and also when the news reporter my father-in-law

01:34:26.660 my beloved father-in-law god love that catholic devout lovely man bernard gallagher like he's a

01:34:32.000 like a serious but like he's a golfer like he's a rider cup captain you know like he's a beautiful

01:34:36.960 guy and he like when i saw him last month okay what are you doing russell it says that um it

01:34:41.940 said in the paper that you stood up and started trying to preach in the courtroom i was like no

01:34:47.460 No, I did not do that.

01:34:48.320 I didn't like grab the Bible.

01:34:49.380 So I'm going, now hear this.

01:34:50.920 There is only one true justice.

01:34:53.080 And it's not the corrupt justice of the British.

01:34:55.520 I didn't do that.

01:34:56.200 I just was quietly holding it.

01:34:57.760 And then I saw someone else clutching his Bible.

01:35:00.440 There's nothing that they won't metastasize.

01:35:02.600 Clinging to, I think is the term we use.

01:35:04.720 Clinging to his Bible,

01:35:05.860 which I think we saw him sexually assault earlier in 1992.

01:35:11.060 Like, I mean, like they won't miss an opportunity

01:35:13.740 to turn everything negative.

01:35:15.200 So when I say we can't be confused about power, you with your constituency, you with your voice, how can you ever again say, all right, I advocate for this party or this group?

01:35:25.380 It's got to be principles.

01:35:26.780 It's got to be principles.

01:35:28.180 It's got to be these are the principles.

01:35:30.000 And the one that I keep coming to is democracy could work, but it can't work at the scale of nations.

01:35:36.660 You're going to have to look at what the limits of democratic reach are.

01:35:41.540 And we've got to let go of some pretty baked in ideas.

01:35:44.160 the individuality, individual sovereignty, beautiful, but individual expressionism,

01:35:48.680 the ridiculousness of you've just got to be who you truly are. What do you mean? Well,

01:35:53.160 people are truly violent. They're truly corrupt. They're truly broken. Be who you are in God. 0.99

01:35:57.840 Be who you are in God, not who you are according to your mad culture. That'll turn you into all 0.66

01:36:01.700 sorts of crazy things on any given Sunday afternoon. Individualism doesn't work in idea.

01:36:06.820 Materialism doesn't work as an idea, as a highest principle. Of course, I recognize we're in a

01:36:10.560 reality that, you know, has edges. And progressivism, the idea that we're advancing.

01:36:15.200 People in the old days, they were idiots. We've understood this now. They needed the Bible back 1.00

01:36:20.240 then because they were dumb. We've advanced beyond that. That idea has to go as well. 0.99

01:36:25.740 We have to move to a position of humility and righteousness. Righteousness means I know you're

01:36:31.600 real God and I know me because I am me. And I know you've been with me all the time. So you

01:36:36.020 know how broken I am. You know what I've done. You know what I've not done. So that's the basis

01:36:40.440 now for the rest of my life. Seek thee first the kingdom of God and all this and his righteousness

01:36:44.500 will be granted to you. If I'm in the right position with God, now I can do what God wants

01:36:48.640 me to do, not what I want me to do or what the culture wants me to do. So real power is God's

01:36:54.000 power. But as you already alluded to in both Luke's telling and John's telling of the temptation,

01:36:59.920 when the devil tempts Christ, he says, I'll give you power over all of this. It's mine and I can

01:37:06.100 give it to whoever i want and jesus doesn't go well steady on he goes yeah i recognize that but

01:37:10.800 actually that's not what i'm here for i'm paraphrasing but like but like you know that

01:37:16.020 christ recognizes and as it says in john's first epistle we know that the evil one is in charge of

01:37:21.460 this world and as some paul reminds us in ephesians we're fighting against dark spiritual

01:37:25.700 power so real power i saw it on one of your shows actually and it's a good video title by the way

01:37:31.260 whoever came up with that everything is downstream of spiritual warfare everything is downstream so

01:37:35.940 if we operate on that basis of how is this, what is this doing spiritually? What value is this

01:37:41.780 promoting? What role is this casting me in? What lie am I believing in thinking that if Congress

01:37:48.580 goes this way or the executive branch goes that way or the Senate does that, it's not enough

01:37:53.260 anymore. We've got to look rigorously at what's happening. And I think the one principle is

01:37:57.620 maximum power to individuals, to communities, to families. But you can't like go around making

01:38:02.580 people be Christian at gunpoint. So that works for me. It's breaking apart of my entire reality 0.65

01:38:07.640 in order to recognize that he's real. The simple fact, he's real. He's here now. He rose. He didn't

01:38:13.180 die. He ascended. He granted us the Holy Spirit. It's within you. It's not just a poem. It's a

01:38:17.600 deep, essential reality. It's more real than you're called Russell, and you can speak this

01:38:22.240 language that you didn't invent, using lungs that you didn't give yourself, walking on a land that

01:38:27.380 you didn't build in an infinite space that seems to be expanding with a molecular world that's full

01:38:33.140 of weird paradox and miracle you didn't do any of that but you can through his grace participate in

01:38:39.980 it through truth first truth like you said confession confessable this is all of my

01:38:45.560 brokenness this is who i am do what you want with me and in a way that is liberating because there

01:38:49.940 is part of me tucker that doesn't want to be convicted of rape and go to jail and there is

01:38:54.400 part of me

01:38:55.080 oh there's a part of you

01:38:55.820 hey that's a bit of me

01:38:56.720 now I'm trying to

01:38:57.440 get rid of that little guy

01:38:58.500 but there's a part of me

01:39:00.000 that also thinks

01:39:00.780 well hang on

01:39:01.600 if this can happen

01:39:02.580 anything can happen

01:39:03.980 if you can conjure it up

01:39:05.180 and also by the way

01:39:05.980 I'm you know

01:39:06.460 like we'll say

01:39:06.860 watching your content

01:39:07.660 I'm thinking

01:39:08.040 oh man am I just some guy

01:39:09.720 banging on about his divorce

01:39:11.260 like oh this thing

01:39:12.080 happened to me

01:39:12.480 it was not fair

01:39:12.960 I can show you

01:39:13.740 logically I know that guy

01:39:16.120 you better not be

01:39:19.020 coming to dinner

01:39:19.540 and like so like

01:39:20.580 yeah so um

01:39:22.260 yeah

01:39:22.960 are you afraid?

01:39:24.400 Sometimes. And in that fear, fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, but 365 times do not be

01:39:34.720 afraid. And so what is the fear of God? It's the beginning of God has absolute power. It's the

01:39:40.820 beginning of wisdom. It's not the end of wisdom. It's the beginning. So if I sort of recognize

01:39:46.020 that God is the person that must be my focus, I will be taken on a journey. And obviously God

01:39:51.480 wants me to go through this because this is happening so but it's also sort of kind of not

01:39:57.380 odd in a bunch of ways other than the odd anomaly of I didn't do the things I'm accused of it really

01:40:02.600 makes sense in a lot of ways I worship the world I was exploitative and greedy and there's loads

01:40:08.600 of ways that it makes sense I kept missing opportunities to live a good life like God

01:40:13.600 would show me hey look you've got this amazing wife and these beautiful children to be grateful

01:40:18.080 now. And I was like, no, I should have more. Shouldn't I be powerful? I keep falling into,

01:40:22.980 I need, I obviously am a person that needs clear instruction and I've received it.

01:40:29.560 So are you going to start your campaign while you're in London on trial?

01:40:34.120 I'm starting it now, right now. And it's in 2028. You have to, you know, like the business end of

01:40:40.100 running for mayor of London is pretty practical. You pay 10 grand, you get some signatures in

01:40:44.980 every single borough of London. But this is the thing that I think is important. It doesn't matter

01:40:49.520 if it's me. It matters about the ideas. If you have a green mayor of London or a reformed mayor

01:40:53.620 of London or a conservative, or even if Sadiq Khan continues doing it, you know what you're

01:40:58.580 going to get. If you vote for participatory, open source, direct democracy, where every single

01:41:04.140 decision where possible, and I don't see why all of it wouldn't be possible and open for referenda,

01:41:08.980 Switzerland does it four times a year, massive referendum, that's a whole country. You have the

01:41:12.740 opportunity to change london meaningfully now that is populism and populism is a kind of dirty word

01:41:17.660 people sort of seem to think that the population are dirty that there's something wrong with people

01:41:22.860 mob rule but i'd say what we have now is closer to mob rule mafia mob mob mentality we know what

01:41:30.000 mob means and also by the way i rather object to the fundamental principle of contemporary

01:41:35.500 politics by leadership and governance by appointed leaders, that you don't understand. You're stupid. 1.00

01:41:43.260 You don't know what we know. We need people that have been through these institutions to run 1.00

01:41:48.100 government. I don't like that. I object to it on the most personal, sociological, and relational

01:41:54.420 grounds. Some of those beautiful people I meet haven't had formal education. Some of those

01:41:59.040 intelligent people I meet haven't had a formal education. And the idea that power belongs to an

01:42:04.600 elite is for me, it's disgusting. And I think for a minute, if I can be entirely honest,

01:42:10.820 I was so sort of blindsided and overwhelmed by the events that we've talked about a lot over

01:42:17.580 the course of this conversation, that I actually forgot you're supposed to be doing something for

01:42:22.260 other people. You're not meant to be here just for you. You're supposed to be doing something

01:42:26.280 for other people. And the idea that someone as self-involved as I have been, as narcissistic,

01:42:31.580 solipsistic, hedonistic and indulgent, as epicurean as I've been in my life, will now say,

01:42:36.420 listen, it doesn't even matter if it's me. It doesn't matter if I'm the Mayor of London.

01:42:41.420 The system, this idea is what matters. Open source, direct democracy, where you vote for

01:42:48.140 if you want ULES cameras or this kind of policing or that kind of policing. Is it Facebook or is it

01:42:52.720 knife crime? What do you care about? You're not stupid. You're not an idiot. And indeed,

01:42:57.120 it is possible to transcend this hysterical, endless conflict between Muslims in the UK,

01:43:04.740 gay people versus straight people. It's pointless. It's irrelevant. It's abstract. I care more about 0.91

01:43:08.200 my dog dying than the horrors in Gaza. Because when my dog dies, I'm falling apart in grief,

01:43:13.920 and I'm coughing, and I'm puking out. And that's how God made me. Of course, I should do everything

01:43:19.040 in my power to prevent genocide and destruction and war and hypocrisy and lies. But I've got a

01:43:25.120 lot of that in-house. And until I deal with that, I'm no good to anybody. I'm no good to anybody.

01:43:31.880 Maybe people in London shouldn't be thinking about Israel-Palestine all the time. Maybe they 1.00

01:43:36.060 should be thinking about how to run London themselves. How do you want it run? It's up to

01:43:40.960 you. What are you, an idiot? Did you believe what they told you? Do you want to live in what they 1.00

01:43:44.140 told you forever? Or do you want to take this precious gift of life granted to you by God or

01:43:49.120 an unknown cosmic force of random molecular chance that somehow ended in your consciousness

01:43:53.260 and everyone you love and grief and mourning and poetics and archetype

01:43:58.020 and participate in it while you're here all too briefly

01:44:01.420 unless you accept him, repent and enter into eternity through him.

01:44:06.240 That's one route and yeah, we've got a book about that.

01:44:08.300 Also though, you could be running your community.

01:44:10.800 If it's bothering you at all, then the post Epstein file release era,

01:44:14.680 we're still just like, maybe we should have this one or that one.

01:44:17.360 What do you think? 0.99

01:44:18.280 look what we've been told they're mad occultists having sex with children on an island what do 0.98

01:44:23.900 you need to know how much longer how much longer i'm just so glad there's the footage out there 0.98

01:44:29.340 of me on youtube or on bill ma or wherever saying hey listen fox news is no worse than msnbc or no

01:44:36.280 better you know it's out there i've said it on the television and i'm saying it now and i'm saying it

01:44:41.220 now from a position of i recognize the position i'm in i recognize my own fallibility and brokenness

01:44:47.660 I don't think I should be in charge. I don't think anyone should be in charge. They're all

01:44:51.480 broken and fallen. The problem with representative democracy is on that little horse ride from their

01:44:57.080 constituency to Congress or to Westminster, where 400 years ago, representative democracy at least

01:45:03.060 had a rational undergirding as well as no obvious technological solution. It seems that other

01:45:07.520 interests get in the ear of these people and say, maybe would you vote this way? Or maybe would you

01:45:13.400 never say that again, or maybe shut your mouth right now. And if we don't change that fundamental

01:45:19.740 flaw, then you're going to live in an endless whirling downward cycle, a senseless spiral of

01:45:25.980 their insanity, which we could intervene in with the one gift we know we have, consciousness, love,

01:45:31.840 life, glory, inclusive of everyone beyond. It's not your job to worry about whether someone's a

01:45:36.640 Muslim or a Jew or an atheist or homosexual. You worry about running your own life. Here, you vote. 0.90

01:45:41.280 do you want that yes or no no okay 67 percent of people vote no we're not doing that anymore

01:45:46.320 we want another vote okay we'll have another vote not like brexit where just keep voting

01:45:50.900 till we can do what we were gonna do anyway not like every single general election till

01:45:55.480 all right even trump even someone who seems pretty in themselves eventually over time i

01:46:00.580 thought it was a great post you did by the way like you know eventually like give him some grace

01:46:03.980 that was great um like even someone like him can be just turned into whatever they want and then

01:46:09.080 like the people that are ultra conspiratorial and I think probably closer to the truth than any of us

01:46:13.600 would say we told you all along it doesn't matter who you vote for you're going to get the same

01:46:17.680 results like you know the macro picture you know the geopolitical picture better than anybody but

01:46:23.900 I think the only way to do it is this thing that I'm starting to trust from being in your country

01:46:28.640 the American people are beautiful they're brilliant they're not full of hatred I'm like down there in

01:46:32.400 like the pan handle they're not they're not all like caught up in racism and bigotry they just

01:46:37.220 want to love their families and stuff i saw a brilliant thing in my country the farmer movement

01:46:41.120 in my country is lively hey the people love their land you know john bull john bull is like a british

01:46:46.420 archetype yeah you know and like they're getting into it and it's kicking off as you will be

01:46:51.080 obviously aware in ireland and like i saw something on the bbc said like like in the countryside it's

01:46:57.860 too white and farmers are too racist and it like made me laugh out loud because i thought like

01:47:02.280 Imagine being a farmer and the sort of graft involved, 0.96

01:47:05.960 the jobs, the duty, the toil, the trial.

01:47:08.280 Right, we've got to get up, we've got to plant those crops,

01:47:10.460 we've got to till that field, we've got to feed those cows,

01:47:12.920 we've got to get in there and cleanse that soil for next year. 1.00

01:47:15.540 Then I have to stop for a while, burn some Korans. 1.00

01:47:17.760 Then I've got to go, then I've got to shout a hate language

01:47:20.980 over a hedge into an adjacent field.

01:47:24.740 This field goes fallow. 0.75

01:47:26.140 This one here, this one's for my bizarre rituals of racial hatred.

01:47:29.980 That's my homophobia barn.

01:47:31.760 farmers don't have time

01:47:33.700 so they're telling you

01:47:34.760 that people have got problems

01:47:35.840 that they don't have

01:47:36.620 the British countryside's white 0.97

01:47:38.120 because that's where 1.00

01:47:39.160 British white people

01:47:40.520 have lived for ages now 0.80

01:47:42.080 like what are you making people

01:47:43.340 hate one another for

01:47:44.320 it's reached a kind of

01:47:45.580 an absurd frequency

01:47:47.080 and I feel that

01:47:50.040 I believe in him

01:47:51.580 he's real

01:47:52.180 so either I'll run

01:47:55.280 for Mayor of London

01:47:56.620 and nothing will happen

01:47:57.720 or I'll run for Mayor of London

01:47:59.340 and go to jail

01:48:00.300 or I'll run for

01:48:00.940 But what will happen if people talk is the idea of, hold on a minute.

01:48:05.700 Yeah, hold on.

01:48:06.180 That technology, they're saying will work for our digital ID.

01:48:09.320 Wait a minute.

01:48:10.240 That would work.

01:48:11.080 And then we wouldn't have Dominion voting machines that might be maybe centrally corruptible

01:48:17.480 and compromised.

01:48:19.260 You put the democracy in the hands of the people.

01:48:21.720 Open source it.

01:48:22.480 The technology exists now.

01:48:23.560 That's why dear Joe B. Weeks is on House of Representatives.

01:48:25.860 You should talk to that guy, by the way.

01:48:27.100 He was a Bitcoin entrepreneur.

01:48:28.760 He did some mining early on.

01:48:30.020 he got rich too quickly the FBI just came took all of his equipment put him in jail they've

01:48:33.520 confiscated billions from this guy he's under house arrest this day he's a waiting trial you

01:48:37.400 should meet him so like we're in these areas of innovation the ingenuity exists the grace exists 0.96

01:48:42.480 the righteousness exists the talent exists this whole country that came from like dirt and and

01:48:47.880 paganism and in 250 years is the most powerful and unprecedented and glorious nation in history 0.99

01:48:54.220 which by the way I think it is Jerusalem now because if Israel was the original people and 0.85

01:48:59.600 Paul says go to the Gentiles and our Lord says be a light to all nations and everyone will come

01:49:04.860 from everywhere I mean it's starting to sound familiar and all of these railroad entrepreneurs

01:49:08.980 and all of these miners and this rich soil and the furriers and the trapeers and the banks and

01:49:13.360 everything and then all of a sudden it gets captured in a peculiar way that I don't quite

01:49:17.020 understand and it's got another agenda this is a the greatest country in earth on earth this this

01:49:22.700 this could be Jerusalem but that won't happen with current institutional biases don't you reckon if

01:49:28.500 the founding fathers of your nation were alive now,

01:49:30.260 they'd say, what should we do to implement the changes

01:49:33.240 that are possible now as a result of extraordinary advance?

01:49:40.360 Russell Brand, how to become a Christian in seven days.

01:49:44.280 I think it's pretty obvious that God is using you

01:49:47.300 and I'm going to your trial.

01:49:49.760 Oh, good, thanks.

01:49:51.240 October the 7th.

01:49:52.860 You'll recognize me.

01:49:54.220 Is it actually October the 7th?

01:49:55.700 Oh my God, I didn't even see that.

01:49:58.500 Yes, it is.

01:49:59.520 Your trial is October 7th.

01:50:00.640 Do you know what one of my friends said to me,

01:50:02.040 he goes, what I know about the state

01:50:04.140 and the kind of interest we're talking around

01:50:06.100 is they do things preemptively.

01:50:08.040 Like they think, right,

01:50:08.960 if we're going to take this course of action,

01:50:10.820 what are the potential obstacles in this reason?

01:50:12.800 All right, well, preemptively, get rid of that one,

01:50:14.340 get rid of that one, get rid of that one.

01:50:16.020 That's the path.

01:50:16.720 I didn't realize, yeah, it's October 7th.

01:50:18.220 I assume your pre-trial hearing is a 9-11.

01:50:21.520 I'm just guessing, I don't know.

01:50:23.600 Thank you for that.

01:50:24.660 Thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - April 17, 2026

Russell Brand： The People Trying to Imprison Him, Trump’s Fall, Speaking to God, and His Mayoral Run

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