The Tucker Carlson Show - Saagar Enjeti： Elon’s America Party, Iran, and Jeffrey Epstein Is Apparently Innocent Now

00:00:00.000 I'll speak for myself.

00:00:01.680 I never thought that I would be offering an apology to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:00:05.500 I think of all the times I've maligned that guy,

00:00:08.100 all the times I've accused him of crimes,

00:00:10.120 of blackmailing people, of trafficking children

00:00:13.500 to powerful figures around the world

00:00:15.980 on behalf of global intel services.

00:00:18.160 And then I learned yesterday from Attorney General Pam Bondi,

00:00:20.440 that's totally untrue.

00:00:21.540 The guy killed himself after 36 days in prison for no reason.

00:00:25.860 He was a billionaire.

00:00:26.600 He had no clients.

00:00:28.160 He'd done nothing wrong other than get like naughty massages

00:00:30.960 20 years before.

00:00:32.360 And the guy killed himself.

00:00:33.640 Another pointless death.

00:00:34.440 And then his best friend, former girlfriend, Jelaine Maxwell,

00:00:37.520 doing 20 years in prison for no crime.

00:00:39.940 There are no victims.

00:00:40.760 Yes, it's a victimless crime.

00:00:42.500 They're obviously persecuted by the state.

00:00:45.200 They're political prisoners, really.

00:00:47.020 The Hague should come in and do an investigation.

00:00:50.880 Or we're watching one of the most systematic government cover-ups of all time.

00:00:57.580 Something that you say that always resonates with me is,

00:01:17.420 I don't want to be lied to.

00:01:18.640 And I specifically don't want to be lied to

00:01:20.520 by the very people who built careers.

00:01:22.760 And I'm talking here specifically about Kash Patel, Dan Bongino,

00:01:26.080 and many others who now work for the administration,

00:01:28.880 who fed MAGA and the American people

00:01:31.660 and promised them to get to the bottom of this,

00:01:33.580 only to turn their tune immediately upon assuming office,

00:01:37.580 lying before Congress,

00:01:38.940 talking about this is an obvious case of suicide,

00:01:41.980 going on the Joe Rogan podcast,

00:01:43.700 and effectively asking for some level of trust

00:01:46.580 that I don't give to any government official.

00:01:48.520 FBI Director Kash Patel said,

00:01:50.520 if I had this information, don't you think I would release it?

00:01:53.240 No, I don't.

00:01:54.060 Because actually, your actions now, just in the last couple of days,

00:01:57.640 only vindicate the idea that this is not only a systematic government cover-up

00:02:01.520 at the highest levels, not only involving sex trafficking,

00:02:04.680 but going all the way up to the top levels of the U.S. intelligence,

00:02:08.160 the Israeli intelligence community,

00:02:09.520 implicating powerful people, billionaires here in the United States,

00:02:12.920 former prime ministers of Israel,

00:02:14.380 our current president, former presidents of the United States,

00:02:19.100 and for them to come out on the very day,

00:02:21.940 or I guess the day before,

00:02:23.380 that the Israeli prime minister is visiting Washington.

00:02:25.900 For the third time in six months.

00:02:26.980 I've heard the third time this year.

00:02:28.360 Why exactly?

00:02:29.480 You know, can we go over that?

00:02:31.060 Last time I checked,

00:02:31.940 this is a country we do about 52 billion in bilateral trade with,

00:02:35.140 equivocal to like Singapore and Chile.

00:02:37.960 I don't remember the last time the Chilean or Singaporean leaders

00:02:41.280 were in Washington for three times in the last six months

00:02:44.080 and to who we give 3.3 billion to, Switzerland.

00:02:46.760 These are all countries I love, by the way.

00:02:47.980 I've visited all three that I just listed.

00:02:49.880 I love them.

00:02:50.860 Would I, you know, would they serve-

00:02:53.240 And Israel.

00:02:53.700 Yes.

00:02:54.160 Did you go to school in Israel?

00:02:55.280 That's right.

00:02:55.720 I did six weeks in Israel.

00:02:57.100 It's a great country.

00:02:58.040 I like it a lot, but it's not about that.

00:02:59.940 This is about my country.

00:03:01.540 And so watching this all just get perverted

00:03:04.060 and then used and hijacking our government

00:03:06.940 is just particularly offensive to me,

00:03:08.700 not only just as an American,

00:03:10.680 but I feel particularly not only deceived

00:03:13.820 by the people like the FBI director

00:03:15.720 and the deputy director, Dan Bongino,

00:03:18.340 but the attorney general who went on camera

00:03:20.640 after assuming her office on the White House lawn,

00:03:23.220 these are supposed to mean things,

00:03:24.700 and said thousands of victims,

00:03:26.760 we have the client list,

00:03:28.000 we have the flight logs.

00:03:29.320 She held a little press conference,

00:03:31.220 whatever event with so-called influencers

00:03:33.740 in which she gave them the Epstein files,

00:03:36.240 an infamous photo that was released.

00:03:38.260 It turned out that that binder

00:03:39.760 actually had redacted information in it,

00:03:42.260 which was already public,

00:03:43.520 just to demonstrate how they were turning the White House

00:03:47.620 effectively into a performative show

00:03:49.800 and making light of the fact

00:03:51.920 that there are hundreds,

00:03:53.200 if not thousands of underage victims.

00:03:55.560 And it's just not the victims,

00:03:56.760 it's the fact that it extends

00:03:57.820 to the highest levels of the elite,

00:03:59.920 the transatlantic elite,

00:04:01.360 and possibly even beyond that,

00:04:03.200 from some of the richest men in our country,

00:04:05.940 presidents of the United States,

00:04:07.380 former prime ministers of Israel.

00:04:10.100 We're talking here about Bill Gates,

00:04:12.320 Leon Black, Leslie Wexner,

00:04:14.540 the richest and most powerful people in the world,

00:04:17.280 the Nobel Committee, the scientific,

00:04:19.540 I mean, the community, Harvard, MIT,

00:04:22.380 the tentacles through which this operation

00:04:24.540 had its hands in and stretches all the way back

00:04:27.320 to the 1980s.

00:04:28.640 It is one of the most disgusting intelligence operations,

00:04:31.720 I think, in United States intelligence history,

00:04:33.460 rivaling some of the things, you know,

00:04:35.200 eventually that led to the death of President Kennedy.

00:04:38.140 And the thing is, is around this time,

00:04:40.180 it's just like Kennedy,

00:04:41.400 we all know the truth.

00:04:42.860 We know that this document released

00:04:44.540 by the Trump administration

00:04:45.480 is complete bullshit.

00:04:47.320 And I guess that maybe,

00:04:48.600 just like with the Kennedy assassination,

00:04:50.440 they expect us to just get over it

00:04:52.480 in a period of time.

00:04:53.740 And I genuinely think it's incumbent

00:04:55.400 on anybody who was either supportive

00:04:57.640 of the president,

00:04:58.320 any United States citizen,

00:04:59.620 to say, no, we demand like absolute

00:05:01.840 and total transparency on this case.

00:05:04.180 And particularly of these government officials,

00:05:06.300 do not use your platform

00:05:08.320 to enrich yourself on these podcast platforms

00:05:11.140 and constantly talk about Epstein

00:05:13.020 and the Epstein files,

00:05:14.540 eventually assume office,

00:05:16.140 change on a dime,

00:05:17.120 and expect us to trust you.

00:05:18.720 That is not how this works.

00:05:20.560 And in particular, in that document,

00:05:22.580 I think it's one of the most disgusting documents

00:05:24.160 ever released by the United States government,

00:05:25.820 because it said there was no blackmail,

00:05:27.620 there was no, we're not releasing this information.

00:05:30.040 Kash Patel has this new line

00:05:31.900 about how we're not going to re-victimize women.

00:05:34.140 Ask the Epstein victims themselves.

00:05:36.640 They have been begging for this information

00:05:38.900 to come to light,

00:05:40.640 specifically to implicate the powerful men

00:05:43.220 that victimized them

00:05:44.800 and through which they were,

00:05:46.420 you know, and they were basically used

00:05:48.600 for trafficking purposes

00:05:49.880 to ensnare them

00:05:51.260 in this high-level U.S. intelligence,

00:05:53.500 Israeli intelligence operation,

00:05:56.260 probably run in conjunction.

00:05:58.320 And the, you know,

00:05:58.840 the trail of this entire thing,

00:06:00.860 just, it enrages me.

00:06:02.540 It actually enrages me as an American.

00:06:04.140 I don't think you're alone.

00:06:06.120 And I do think,

00:06:07.620 as someone who voted for the president,

00:06:09.780 campaigned for the president a lot,

00:06:11.800 I'm not attacking the president.

00:06:13.760 But I think even people

00:06:15.620 who are fully on board with,

00:06:17.920 you know, the bulk of the MAGA agenda

00:06:19.840 are like, this is too much, actually.

00:06:22.160 Yes, yes.

00:06:22.520 I'm saying that with love,

00:06:23.620 and I hope that they're listening

00:06:25.280 because I think this threatens

00:06:27.480 to blow up the whole thing.

00:06:28.560 But let's just back up a little bit

00:06:30.640 and just pick at some

00:06:32.240 of the inconsistencies here.

00:06:33.260 So you're saying that Pam Bondi said,

00:06:36.160 on camera, we have a client list.

00:06:37.940 On the White House lawn.

00:06:38.600 I've seen the client list.

00:06:39.520 Yes.

00:06:39.740 And then yesterday,

00:06:40.540 she's saying there's no client list.

00:06:41.560 There's no client list.

00:06:42.340 And there was no systematic blackmail.

00:06:43.880 That actually might be

00:06:44.840 the most preposterous line in the document.

00:06:46.780 But it doesn't,

00:06:47.420 I mean, it doesn't make any sense.

00:06:48.300 So they've said that

00:06:49.020 there were thousands of young people,

00:06:52.440 in some cases,

00:06:53.240 minors, underage children,

00:06:56.800 victimized, sexually victimized.

00:06:58.720 Are they saying that Epstein

00:07:00.240 single-handedly had sex with all?

00:07:02.900 Because actually,

00:07:04.300 for whatever it's worth,

00:07:05.020 I don't think anyone that I,

00:07:06.500 I've never seen anyone make the claim

00:07:07.580 that Epstein had sex with anybody.

00:07:09.000 Yes, that's right.

00:07:09.620 Well, a lot of these allegations

00:07:10.800 revolve around like group activities

00:07:13.440 and they around like masseuse and being,

00:07:15.700 I mean, look,

00:07:16.860 the way that Dershowitz and others

00:07:18.160 would claim it is,

00:07:18.840 I kept my underwear on

00:07:20.020 and it was all a,

00:07:21.060 you know,

00:07:21.280 very above the board massage information.

00:07:23.880 There's that famous photo

00:07:24.820 of Bill Clinton

00:07:25.480 in the airport terminal

00:07:26.620 with one of these young victims

00:07:28.040 who herself says she was a victim

00:07:29.300 of the Epstein entire machine.

00:07:31.120 So you're exactly right.

00:07:32.140 It's like for these thousands of women,

00:07:34.080 were they victimized entirely

00:07:35.360 by Ghislaine Maxwell

00:07:36.320 and by Jeffrey Epstein?

00:07:37.760 Because by the way,

00:07:38.360 that's not even what

00:07:39.140 the Ghislaine Maxwell,

00:07:40.180 Jeffrey Epstein court documents

00:07:41.720 and other things

00:07:42.200 that we already knew

00:07:43.280 that were in the public information.

00:07:44.660 That's not what they say.

00:07:45.900 That's not what the testimony

00:07:46.780 of the victims of these people say.

00:07:49.360 And so, again,

00:07:50.360 even this client list thing,

00:07:51.540 I do think people can go down

00:07:53.100 the rabbit hole too much

00:07:54.240 and think that there is,

00:07:55.140 as you know,

00:07:55.700 you know,

00:07:56.020 there's no ledger

00:07:56.920 as in had sex with so-and-so

00:07:59.660 and we in,

00:08:00.900 you know,

00:08:01.140 because of that supported Israel.

00:08:03.260 Like that's not how it works.

00:08:04.460 So the term client list itself

00:08:05.400 is misleading.

00:08:06.240 It's misleading

00:08:06.940 because really what we want

00:08:08.480 is a full list of the victims,

00:08:10.200 of the people who flew

00:08:11.100 on the flight logs,

00:08:12.260 but the most important

00:08:13.220 is the money.

00:08:14.100 And I think a lot of people

00:08:15.080 actually miss that

00:08:16.020 in the Epstein story.

00:08:17.540 Jeffrey Epstein came to power

00:08:19.100 largely because

00:08:20.460 he worked at Bear Stearns

00:08:21.640 and effectively was like

00:08:22.660 a high finance

00:08:23.400 money laundering expert.

00:08:25.220 That's effectively

00:08:26.040 what we can learn

00:08:26.740 from his background.

00:08:27.840 That's how he came involved

00:08:29.220 with Leon Black.

00:08:31.120 Leon Black

00:08:31.860 was one of the most powerful men

00:08:33.340 in New York.

00:08:33.780 And this is the head

00:08:34.180 of the Apollo group.

00:08:35.060 He paid him $170 million

00:08:37.140 through various shell corporations

00:08:38.980 for tax advice.

00:08:40.240 And when he was caught

00:08:41.100 doing that,

00:08:42.220 he was said,

00:08:43.040 actually,

00:08:43.580 it wasn't even useful

00:08:44.400 because all the tax advice

00:08:45.960 was actually in the public domains.

00:08:47.600 What?

00:08:48.340 I mean,

00:08:48.680 Leslie Wexner

00:08:49.500 in the 1991,

00:08:50.940 I believe,

00:08:51.600 signed full power of attorney

00:08:53.160 over to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:08:54.360 He was one of the richest men

00:08:55.520 in America.

00:08:56.300 I think he was the richest man

00:08:57.120 in Ohio at that time.

00:08:58.920 Jeffrey Epstein

00:08:59.420 becomes the head

00:09:00.180 of the Wexner Foundation,

00:09:01.920 funnels some $2.5 million

00:09:03.600 to Ayud Barak,

00:09:05.180 the former Israeli prime minister.

00:09:07.100 I'm putting these things

00:09:08.040 out there

00:09:08.400 because I want people to know

00:09:09.620 that the money

00:09:10.440 is an integral part

00:09:11.440 of the operation.

00:09:13.000 And to the extent

00:09:13.600 that the sex trafficking

00:09:14.520 and all of that is linked,

00:09:15.800 they are fused together

00:09:17.160 because they were used

00:09:18.240 primarily by the

00:09:19.100 intelligence community.

00:09:20.540 Both,

00:09:21.280 Epstein was a conduit

00:09:22.480 of high-stakes money laundering

00:09:24.020 for things like,

00:09:25.060 you know,

00:09:25.400 not Iran-Contra specifically,

00:09:27.120 but let's say,

00:09:27.600 like,

00:09:27.900 funneling arms

00:09:28.640 from Israel to Iran.

00:09:30.200 This was also how he met

00:09:31.680 eventually Robert Maxwell

00:09:33.200 and became ensnared

00:09:34.080 with his daughter,

00:09:34.800 Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:09:36.060 The money laundering

00:09:37.040 is actually more key

00:09:38.220 to his intelligence rules.

00:09:39.460 Funneling arms from Israel

00:09:40.140 to Iran?

00:09:40.660 Well,

00:09:40.920 this was a key part

00:09:42.060 of the Maxwell story.

00:09:43.860 Robert Maxwell

00:09:44.480 is a very sketchy character,

00:09:45.900 Ghislaine Maxwell's father.

00:09:47.360 People focus on the tabloid.

00:09:48.680 That's actually not all

00:09:49.440 what I'm interested in.

00:09:50.360 What I'm interested in

00:09:51.100 is the fact that he's

00:09:51.880 this Czechoslovakian,

00:09:53.780 he's this Czechoslovakian

00:09:55.440 Orthodox Jew

00:09:56.520 who, like,

00:09:56.980 escapes from the Nazis.

00:09:58.680 He eventually

00:09:59.040 becomes a highly decorated soldier.

00:10:01.380 You know,

00:10:01.660 actually,

00:10:01.980 I think he won

00:10:02.420 the second highest medal

00:10:03.540 in the UK

00:10:04.380 for his operations

00:10:05.540 during World War II.

00:10:06.940 From that point forward,

00:10:08.080 becomes very, very enmeshed

00:10:10.180 with the Zionist community

00:10:11.420 inside of the UK

00:10:12.420 and propping up

00:10:13.680 the newly formed state

00:10:14.780 of Israel.

00:10:15.780 From that point forward,

00:10:16.920 he basically serves

00:10:17.840 as a high stakes,

00:10:19.060 like,

00:10:19.280 almost an entity

00:10:20.080 in and of itself.

00:10:20.800 That's the way

00:10:21.100 that Daryl Cooper

00:10:21.840 has described him,

00:10:23.240 is like a sovereign wealth fund,

00:10:25.100 almost,

00:10:25.800 which,

00:10:26.440 together,

00:10:27.780 brokers all kinds of deals,

00:10:29.600 cut out deals,

00:10:30.760 you know,

00:10:31.200 between Israel and Iran.

00:10:32.520 And actually,

00:10:33.640 Epstein himself,

00:10:34.440 when he was just 28 years old,

00:10:36.060 met,

00:10:36.520 you know,

00:10:36.760 flew on a private jet,

00:10:37.880 I believe,

00:10:38.280 to the Pentagon

00:10:38.960 with somebody who we know

00:10:40.560 is directly linked

00:10:41.660 to these,

00:10:42.620 you know,

00:10:42.980 previous intelligence operations

00:10:45.220 and funneling money

00:10:46.200 and weapons

00:10:46.880 into many of these conflicts.

00:10:48.520 So,

00:10:48.880 this stretches back decades

00:10:50.620 and that's a very,

00:10:51.580 very important part

00:10:52.300 of the story.

00:10:53.080 So,

00:10:53.280 please just do not tell me

00:10:54.400 that there's no part

00:10:55.080 of a systematic

00:10:55.720 blackmail campaign.

00:10:56.960 It's so preposterous

00:10:58.680 and it actually just makes us,

00:11:00.000 it makes me want

00:11:00.460 to tear my hair out

00:11:01.260 and I guess the only good news

00:11:02.680 is that,

00:11:03.280 just like with the Kennedy assassination,

00:11:04.940 we do all know the truth.

00:11:06.320 The Kennedy assassination

00:11:07.340 broke this country.

00:11:08.220 I really believe that.

00:11:09.000 I know you do as well.

00:11:10.280 But it broke something

00:11:11.080 even more fundamental

00:11:12.000 and opened up

00:11:13.120 what they call

00:11:13.760 the credibility gap

00:11:14.880 under the Johnson administration

00:11:16.560 where,

00:11:17.320 prior to the 1960s,

00:11:19.120 Americans trusted their government.

00:11:20.680 It was actually,

00:11:21.720 it was a beautiful thing.

00:11:22.820 I mean,

00:11:23.440 it was bad in some ways as well.

00:11:25.380 We were taken advantage of

00:11:26.280 by the Dulles brothers

00:11:27.060 and a lot of other horrible things

00:11:28.760 they were doing in the 1950s.

00:11:30.040 But it was beautiful

00:11:30.760 in the sense of social

00:11:31.880 and of civic trust.

00:11:33.240 And there's something

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00:11:34.740 with the Kennedy assassination.

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00:11:37.100 of course,

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00:11:46.300 in government

00:11:46.780 saw a lot of this corruption

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00:14:35.060 I remember thinking

00:14:36.280 when Epstein killed himself,

00:14:37.800 I'd never met Epstein,

00:14:38.760 but, I mean,

00:14:39.560 he, you know,

00:14:40.600 knew everybody.

00:14:41.860 I mean, I will say,

00:14:42.720 I mean, in his,

00:14:43.420 you know,

00:14:43.680 in the defense of people

00:14:45.000 who got caught up in this

00:14:46.000 because they went to dinner

00:14:46.760 at Epstein's,

00:14:47.960 like, that George Stephanopoulos,

00:14:49.320 for example,

00:14:49.840 who I disagree with

00:14:50.500 on everything,

00:14:51.020 but, like,

00:14:52.120 I know George,

00:14:53.020 and I don't think George

00:14:53.960 is having sex with kids

00:14:54.980 at Epstein's.

00:14:55.880 Like, Epstein was,

00:14:57.480 you know,

00:14:58.420 just part of, like,

00:15:00.020 the social fabric, right?

00:15:01.080 And Trump knew him

00:15:01.680 for that reason also.

00:15:03.780 But when he killed himself,

00:15:05.320 I remember thinking

00:15:05.960 people were like,

00:15:06.440 he didn't kill himself.

00:15:07.200 I was like,

00:15:07.300 yeah, he probably killed himself.

00:15:08.140 You know, he's in jail or whatever.

00:15:08.940 His brother, Mark,

00:15:09.740 called me a couple days

00:15:10.600 after he killed himself.

00:15:12.140 And so began this,

00:15:13.540 like, three-year-long conversation

00:15:14.820 with Mark Epstein

00:15:15.560 and looking into it

00:15:16.640 in a way I never thought I would.

00:15:19.340 He didn't kill himself.

00:15:20.480 He was murdered in his cell.

00:15:21.940 Yeah.

00:15:22.840 And I think that's really meaningful.

00:15:24.760 It's the most secure

00:15:25.500 federal lockup

00:15:26.200 in the United States.

00:15:27.700 How can that happen?

00:15:28.720 It can't happen

00:15:29.300 without state actors involved.

00:15:30.620 That's right.

00:15:30.960 Look at the story

00:15:31.860 that we were told at that time.

00:15:33.220 Part of the information dump

00:15:34.540 here by the administration

00:15:35.500 is some hours of footage.

00:15:36.880 We were told

00:15:37.340 that footage didn't exist.

00:15:38.640 We were told

00:15:39.280 that this was some guards

00:15:40.720 who were, you know,

00:15:41.880 off duty.

00:15:42.520 They fell asleep.

00:15:44.360 This was,

00:15:44.880 none of it exists

00:15:45.880 and actually, you know,

00:15:46.940 it was all part of a screw up

00:15:48.460 and the camera angles

00:15:49.760 wouldn't even be able

00:15:50.500 to show anything,

00:15:51.260 but that's why

00:15:52.000 they're relatively confident.

00:15:53.280 So where did this camera footage

00:15:54.880 even come from?

00:15:55.700 Well, the camera footage

00:15:56.340 doesn't even,

00:15:56.840 first of all,

00:15:57.200 it ends before they take his body out.

00:15:58.900 Why can't we see that?

00:16:00.800 And the angle on it is absurd.

00:16:03.200 But the real question,

00:16:04.740 just not to be pedantic,

00:16:05.860 but the real question is

00:16:06.980 who are the other inmates

00:16:07.980 on that cell block?

00:16:08.940 So no one came in

00:16:09.600 or out of the cell block.

00:16:10.260 I think that's fair.

00:16:10.840 It was the most secure cell block

00:16:11.860 in that federal lockup in Manhattan.

00:16:14.220 But who are the other inmates?

00:16:15.420 And I went to Department of Prisons,

00:16:17.820 which is part of DOJ,

00:16:18.960 and asked,

00:16:19.540 like, what are their names?

00:16:20.000 Oh, you can't for privacy reasons.

00:16:21.500 Really?

00:16:22.000 These are people who can't vote

00:16:23.020 or own a firearm?

00:16:23.960 Yes.

00:16:24.500 You know, for the rest of their lives,

00:16:25.700 but somehow they've got

00:16:27.000 like a HIPAA law or something

00:16:28.440 around who's a federal inmate?

00:16:29.940 Fuck you, actually.

00:16:30.840 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:31.260 Sorry.

00:16:31.720 It made me so mad

00:16:33.180 because, of course,

00:16:35.340 if Epstein was murdered,

00:16:36.400 and it's very clear that he was,

00:16:37.560 he was murdered by another inmate.

00:16:39.120 That's right.

00:16:39.800 And we know that a bunch of them

00:16:41.120 were transferred out of that unit

00:16:42.200 right after he died.

00:16:43.140 Who were they?

00:16:43.620 Where are they now?

00:16:44.720 Like, why can't we get

00:16:45.680 an answer to that question?

00:16:46.380 So the whole thing

00:16:47.680 that this tape shows

00:16:49.320 that he didn't kill himself

00:16:50.080 is like a joke.

00:16:51.420 But worse than that,

00:16:52.380 it's a joke that we all get.

00:16:54.040 Like, they're not fooling anybody.

00:16:55.560 So I feel like we're

00:16:56.280 at a dangerous point now.

00:16:57.700 Yeah, I agree

00:16:58.240 because the lie

00:16:59.580 is more indicative.

00:17:00.980 The lie at this point

00:17:02.740 is not even part

00:17:04.040 of trying to convince

00:17:05.360 any of this is true.

00:17:06.500 Yes, yes.

00:17:06.900 The lie is a signal

00:17:08.400 to everybody else

00:17:09.600 involved in the scheme

00:17:10.860 that to the ultimate ends,

00:17:13.300 the United States government

00:17:14.200 will go to protect all of you.

00:17:16.140 Yes.

00:17:16.500 And that's the question.

00:17:17.580 Man, is that smart.

00:17:18.680 For what purpose?

00:17:19.260 Can you say that again?

00:17:19.920 Yes.

00:17:20.680 I'm sorry.

00:17:21.380 It's a signal.

00:17:22.460 The lie is not for you and me.

00:17:24.860 The lie is for those implicated

00:17:26.600 to say,

00:17:27.220 no matter what,

00:17:28.400 we will protect you.

00:17:29.460 And then we have to start

00:17:30.300 asking the question,

00:17:31.240 why?

00:17:31.760 As in,

00:17:32.840 what is the purpose

00:17:34.340 of this entire thing?

00:17:35.520 Why does it matter

00:17:36.360 that it happens

00:17:37.020 right before the Israeli

00:17:38.480 prime minister

00:17:39.160 comes to Washington

00:17:40.720 for the third time?

00:17:42.000 As you said,

00:17:42.800 what is the linkage here

00:17:44.380 between those two?

00:17:45.560 And the linkage

00:17:46.140 is the fact

00:17:47.380 that even a,

00:17:48.760 you know,

00:17:49.320 even a surface level

00:17:50.580 view of Jeffrey Epstein

00:17:52.300 of the case,

00:17:53.460 of the entire public record,

00:17:55.260 reveals Alex Acosta

00:17:57.060 who said

00:17:57.800 he belonged to intelligence.

00:17:59.360 He said that.

00:18:00.420 The person

00:18:00.880 who was responsible

00:18:01.920 for the sweetheart

00:18:02.660 13-month deal,

00:18:04.160 Alex Acosta,

00:18:05.040 who was the U.S. attorney,

00:18:06.480 said,

00:18:06.840 and I believe he testified

00:18:07.620 this in sworn testimony,

00:18:09.740 said,

00:18:10.280 I was told

00:18:10.860 he belonged to intelligence.

00:18:11.940 That was a key part

00:18:12.880 of why he,

00:18:14.540 the charges were dropped

00:18:15.420 against him

00:18:15.840 and, you know,

00:18:16.280 he got some sweetheart

00:18:17.020 Palm Beach County Jail situation

00:18:18.900 where he was allowed

00:18:19.380 to leave on the weekends

00:18:20.600 and why,

00:18:21.580 even though I know

00:18:22.200 you'll forgive George,

00:18:23.020 but I actually won't.

00:18:23.980 I don't have dinner

00:18:24.680 with pedophiles.

00:18:25.340 I'm not sure about you.

00:18:26.520 I'm generally aware

00:18:27.660 of the people

00:18:28.140 who I am around

00:18:28.980 and if I can get

00:18:29.820 invited to someone's house,

00:18:30.840 I do cursory Google searches.

00:18:32.460 That's generally what,

00:18:33.760 you know,

00:18:33.940 I think that's normal.

00:18:35.340 I don't want to be

00:18:36.600 in the presence

00:18:37.100 of people who I think

00:18:38.220 are like genuinely evil.

00:18:39.880 That's what I think.

00:18:40.960 So for me,

00:18:42.040 I actually can't forgive

00:18:43.200 many of the media figures

00:18:44.680 and the,

00:18:45.740 you know,

00:18:46.260 the presidents,

00:18:47.260 people like Bill Clinton,

00:18:48.300 Kevin Spade,

00:18:48.860 all these other

00:18:49.480 high-profile figures

00:18:50.820 specifically because

00:18:52.380 it was all out

00:18:53.720 in the public record

00:18:54.600 and then in particular,

00:18:56.220 all of these high-flying

00:18:57.540 Wall Street financiers,

00:18:58.980 and Deutsche Bank,

00:19:00.080 remember,

00:19:00.420 they were fined,

00:19:01.040 I think it was the New York

00:19:01.780 Financial Services.

00:19:03.040 I read that entire report.

00:19:04.600 It's one of the most

00:19:05.340 extraordinary reports

00:19:06.240 I've ever seen

00:19:07.060 because they specifically

00:19:08.300 talk about how the bank

00:19:09.740 ignored almost every single

00:19:11.580 one of its own procedures

00:19:12.840 that it would apply

00:19:14.220 to any other client

00:19:15.980 and that at the highest levels,

00:19:18.040 and remember,

00:19:18.580 I think it's the Barclays CEO,

00:19:20.320 he's already been in trouble

00:19:21.180 for this,

00:19:21.820 for covering up much of this

00:19:23.080 in one of the largest

00:19:24.280 financial institutions

00:19:25.260 in the entire world.

00:19:26.600 You know,

00:19:27.440 for example,

00:19:28.060 Tucker,

00:19:28.340 if you and I keep

00:19:28.920 going to the bank

00:19:29.560 and withdrawing $9,900

00:19:30.940 in cash

00:19:31.900 and we do it

00:19:32.820 for a couple of weeks,

00:19:33.740 our banking institutions

00:19:34.620 are supposed to call

00:19:35.540 both the IRS

00:19:36.680 and the DOJ

00:19:37.680 and say,

00:19:38.040 something is going on here.

00:19:39.000 And they will.

00:19:39.720 And they will.

00:19:40.560 And they should, right?

00:19:41.780 That is what,

00:19:42.540 this is done for a reason.

00:19:44.260 He did this for years

00:19:45.220 and the classification

00:19:46.440 that the bank accepted

00:19:47.820 was it was just for tips.

00:19:49.700 This is what I mean

00:19:50.960 about the highest level

00:19:52.120 of the cover-up

00:19:53.180 and what the cover-up means

00:19:55.740 for the system itself

00:19:57.160 and something you and I

00:19:58.040 were talking about recently

00:19:59.660 is I really believe here

00:20:01.980 and I've never believed it more

00:20:03.460 that in a sense,

00:20:04.840 you know,

00:20:05.040 for elected government

00:20:05.760 and for all the benefits

00:20:06.840 of our republic

00:20:07.920 and of representation

00:20:09.140 that elites actually

00:20:10.960 have always mattered

00:20:12.120 and of course,

00:20:12.900 they're the ones who run,

00:20:13.620 they're the ones responsible

00:20:14.540 for channeling public energy.

00:20:16.340 This is the way

00:20:16.740 that we're set up

00:20:17.360 into law,

00:20:18.480 into policy, etc.

00:20:20.380 And so this lie

00:20:21.420 was a signal to the elites.

00:20:23.420 It was a signal to Versailles.

00:20:24.800 It was a signal to the court

00:20:25.900 that the court

00:20:26.700 will always be protected

00:20:28.040 no matter what.

00:20:29.280 And it's enraging

00:20:30.260 at a moment

00:20:30.940 when the court

00:20:31.900 has never been more reviled

00:20:33.360 by the public.

00:20:34.440 It's not just a spit

00:20:35.160 in the face of the public.

00:20:36.040 It really is like a late,

00:20:38.080 you know,

00:20:38.500 it's a late 1700s

00:20:40.000 kind of signal to the court

00:20:41.240 that we will protect

00:20:42.100 this institution

00:20:42.940 no matter what.

00:20:44.260 And it's really a question

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00:20:46.480 as if we're going to continue

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00:20:49.340 I wonder what our recourse is.

00:20:51.120 None of us is paying

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00:20:52.940 during the summer.

00:20:53.660 The news cycle calms down.

00:20:55.280 Families travel.

00:20:56.160 People are relaxed.

00:20:57.120 You're at the beach.

00:20:57.980 It's all great

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00:25:11.380 And can I say one thing

00:25:12.200 that I've just been,

00:25:12.880 I was brooding about

00:25:13.600 this morning?

00:25:14.900 When the Epstein thing

00:25:15.880 first happened,

00:25:16.540 when he died,

00:25:18.500 and I was,

00:25:19.580 I'll plead ignorance

00:25:20.960 and lack of interest.

00:25:22.340 I was like distracted.

00:25:23.280 There's a lot of stuff going on.

00:25:24.360 I get a call from

00:25:25.580 someone I know

00:25:26.440 who I like,

00:25:27.880 who's a true

00:25:28.840 hardcore neocon,

00:25:30.440 many of whom

00:25:30.860 I liked personally,

00:25:32.560 who's writing a book

00:25:34.520 on Epstein.

00:25:35.420 Two people I knew

00:25:36.380 together wrote this book

00:25:37.340 on Epstein.

00:25:37.800 I don't want to name them.

00:25:38.480 I don't want to be mean

00:25:39.000 or anything.

00:25:40.020 But they're like,

00:25:40.660 can we come on your show?

00:25:41.460 We've written a book

00:25:42.240 on Epstein

00:25:42.660 and this whole scandal.

00:25:43.440 So I read the book

00:25:44.340 and it's very sophisticated

00:25:46.440 and it's like Epstein's

00:25:47.800 super bad,

00:25:49.080 but the Epstein story

00:25:50.640 is really limited

00:25:51.220 to Epstein,

00:25:51.880 this bad guy who died.

00:25:54.000 And there's no,

00:25:54.940 you know,

00:25:55.260 there's no evidence

00:25:56.360 it was part of anything

00:25:57.340 bigger that had anything

00:25:58.480 to do with other countries.

00:26:00.260 And they come on my show

00:26:01.660 and I interview them

00:26:02.900 and they're like,

00:26:03.920 no, you know,

00:26:04.500 yeah,

00:26:04.660 there's all this stuff,

00:26:05.440 mysteries,

00:26:05.960 we couldn't get

00:26:06.340 to the bottom of it.

00:26:07.700 But, you know,

00:26:08.260 Epstein's really,

00:26:08.880 really bad.

00:26:10.500 And I,

00:26:11.460 looking back,

00:26:12.020 I'm like,

00:26:12.420 that was all,

00:26:13.360 like,

00:26:13.900 that was by design.

00:26:15.020 Yes.

00:26:15.580 Right?

00:26:15.880 It was like,

00:26:16.520 wow,

00:26:16.780 we're exposed here

00:26:17.760 and we need to,

00:26:20.100 you know,

00:26:20.480 we need to like throw,

00:26:21.880 we need a Warren commission,

00:26:23.400 actually.

00:26:23.820 No, you're right.

00:26:24.680 Except a real one

00:26:25.600 at this time.

00:26:26.620 It didn't work

00:26:27.440 because,

00:26:28.200 you know,

00:26:29.880 Vanity Fair,

00:26:30.560 to its great credit,

00:26:31.540 wrote a couple of pieces

00:26:33.260 then they stopped covering

00:26:34.000 and I noticed,

00:26:34.560 but they kind of got

00:26:35.240 to the Wexner thing.

00:26:36.000 Who's this Wexner guy?

00:26:36.920 Who is this?

00:26:37.500 And what ties

00:26:39.720 do these guys have

00:26:40.420 to foreign intel services?

00:26:41.860 Yes.

00:26:42.420 Which were deep.

00:26:43.500 I mean,

00:26:43.760 I think Ehud Barak

00:26:45.360 lived at Jeffrey Epstein's

00:26:47.180 place on Fifth Avenue.

00:26:48.160 He flew on his plane

00:26:48.820 30 times,

00:26:49.860 lived often

00:26:50.480 at his townhouse

00:26:53.380 in Manhattan.

00:26:54.400 Yes.

00:26:54.600 At one time,

00:26:55.100 the largest residence

00:26:56.080 in the history

00:26:57.040 of New York City,

00:26:57.980 transferred to him

00:26:58.740 by deed,

00:26:59.660 by Leslie Wexner

00:27:00.720 for what purpose,

00:27:01.460 we have no idea.

00:27:02.200 He invested in Ehud Barak's

00:27:04.440 defense intelligence startup

00:27:05.760 and I think the defense

00:27:06.700 intelligence part there

00:27:07.720 may be even as interesting

00:27:09.160 as the fact that

00:27:09.820 he's a former Israeli

00:27:10.640 crime minister

00:27:11.660 and former head

00:27:13.660 of Israeli military intelligence.

00:27:16.440 I mean,

00:27:16.900 this is what I'm saying

00:27:18.020 about the money.

00:27:18.640 The money is so important

00:27:19.600 to this story

00:27:20.320 because we already have,

00:27:21.880 you know,

00:27:22.340 documented cases

00:27:23.200 of CIA,

00:27:24.100 Israeli,

00:27:24.480 and others

00:27:25.000 buying up private corporations

00:27:26.720 which pose as,

00:27:27.760 let's say,

00:27:27.980 cybersecurity firms

00:27:28.980 that sell to the government

00:27:30.440 or other governments

00:27:31.420 and use those

00:27:32.220 as backdoors.

00:27:33.300 So, look,

00:27:34.100 if you're Ehud Barak,

00:27:35.140 you've probably met,

00:27:36.080 you know,

00:27:36.320 some of the richest people

00:27:37.160 on the planet.

00:27:37.940 Why do you need,

00:27:39.160 you know,

00:27:39.520 these investments

00:27:40.360 from Jeffrey Epstein

00:27:41.640 of all people,

00:27:42.720 a tax advisor

00:27:43.660 to the super rich?

00:27:45.200 What did Bill Gates

00:27:46.460 get from his repeated

00:27:47.580 involvement

00:27:48.160 with Jeffrey Epstein?

00:27:49.560 Why did Melinda Gates,

00:27:51.000 you know,

00:27:51.660 divorce Bill Gates

00:27:53.380 after years

00:27:55.000 and obvious knowledge

00:27:56.160 of his philandering

00:27:57.060 in the past?

00:27:57.740 Are we really to believe

00:27:58.820 it's about philandering,

00:27:59.760 you know,

00:27:59.920 from 20 years ago

00:28:01.040 which was well-known

00:28:01.800 apparently within Microsoft?

00:28:03.620 No,

00:28:03.880 it's because

00:28:04.580 she probably started

00:28:05.500 to get a little aware

00:28:06.400 or perhaps there was

00:28:07.140 something else

00:28:07.600 going on there

00:28:08.660 as to the extent

00:28:09.460 of what that relationship was.

00:28:11.280 And, you know,

00:28:11.800 the fact is,

00:28:12.440 is even from public reporting,

00:28:13.960 we're told that

00:28:14.600 Jeffrey Epstein

00:28:15.240 was seen by Gates

00:28:16.640 as the conduit

00:28:17.360 to win the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:28:19.060 How?

00:28:19.540 For what purpose?

00:28:20.340 How does he have

00:28:20.980 all of these ends

00:28:21.660 with the highest level

00:28:22.720 of the intelligence

00:28:23.500 or the scientific community?

00:28:25.180 And then, of course,

00:28:25.880 I mean,

00:28:26.040 it doesn't take a genius

00:28:26.780 to see the intertwinement

00:28:28.120 between the scientific community,

00:28:29.560 the academic research

00:28:30.840 industrial complex,

00:28:32.020 and the intelligence community.

00:28:33.280 So, all of these pieces,

00:28:34.800 this is the unfortunate part.

00:28:36.140 And, you know,

00:28:36.440 even returning,

00:28:37.400 like you said,

00:28:37.960 to him being killed himself,

00:28:39.240 or him allegedly

00:28:40.220 killing himself,

00:28:40.900 let's not forget

00:28:41.620 Michael Bodden,

00:28:42.440 who I think

00:28:42.820 is a very authoritative figure,

00:28:44.980 you know,

00:28:45.220 he reviewed

00:28:46.100 all of the documents,

00:28:47.320 the autopsy, etc.

00:28:48.480 He said,

00:28:48.720 this is not a case of suicide.

00:28:50.300 I've talked to him about it.

00:28:50.840 Yes, and it's like,

00:28:52.120 let's remember,

00:28:53.120 I mean,

00:28:53.280 he's one of the most,

00:28:54.360 you know,

00:28:54.560 what,

00:28:55.040 probably the most famous

00:28:55.900 forensic,

00:28:56.480 pathologist in America.

00:29:00.400 And his research

00:29:02.340 has been very,

00:29:03.160 or his,

00:29:03.560 you know,

00:29:03.820 diagnosis has been very important

00:29:05.160 in a lot of other previous cases,

00:29:06.700 which turned out to be true.

00:29:08.840 And so,

00:29:09.520 when he looks at this

00:29:10.360 and we have that evidence,

00:29:11.880 when we have

00:29:12.840 the cover-up here now

00:29:14.220 at the government,

00:29:15.200 I'm just,

00:29:15.720 I'm appalled,

00:29:16.960 you know,

00:29:17.280 that this is happening

00:29:18.960 at the highest level.

00:29:20.060 But my only conclusion

00:29:20.900 is just a return,

00:29:22.060 is it's just a signal

00:29:23.020 to the court,

00:29:23.660 is don't worry about it.

00:29:24.620 We've got you.

00:29:25.200 It doesn't,

00:29:25.740 the people don't matter

00:29:26.700 in this case.

00:29:27.340 Man,

00:29:27.620 I think this,

00:29:28.920 for a bunch of reasons,

00:29:30.660 it's so obvious,

00:29:32.080 it is salacious,

00:29:33.040 people have followed it

00:29:33.840 for years,

00:29:35.260 the president promised

00:29:36.800 to reveal the truth

00:29:38.420 about this.

00:29:39.840 Pam Bondi,

00:29:40.760 as you said,

00:29:41.340 will on television

00:29:42.020 and said,

00:29:42.280 we have the truth

00:29:42.800 and we're going to give it to you.

00:29:43.560 Yes.

00:29:45.320 I think this is kind of,

00:29:46.840 I think this is a big deal.

00:29:48.340 It's a really big deal.

00:29:49.380 I hope so.

00:29:49.700 It's bigger,

00:29:50.020 well,

00:29:50.460 I hope so too,

00:29:51.120 actually.

00:29:51.980 So let's just assess this logically.

00:29:53.680 They're covering up,

00:29:54.440 the DOJ,

00:29:56.520 the current DOJ

00:29:57.560 under Pam Bondi

00:29:58.300 is covering up crimes,

00:30:00.220 very serious crimes

00:30:01.240 by their own description.

00:30:02.680 Why are they doing that?

00:30:03.740 Yeah.

00:30:03.940 So there are really only two

00:30:05.160 potential explanations

00:30:06.240 that I can think of.

00:30:06.940 Maybe you've got another.

00:30:07.880 The first is that Trump

00:30:08.860 is involved,

00:30:09.820 that Trump is on the list,

00:30:11.480 that they've got tape

00:30:12.080 of Trump doing something awful.

00:30:13.300 I don't believe that

00:30:16.160 for two reasons.

00:30:16.900 One,

00:30:17.140 I've talked to Trump

00:30:17.700 about it a lot

00:30:18.780 and I know him.

00:30:21.940 He's not that,

00:30:22.820 you know,

00:30:22.980 for whatever his sins.

00:30:24.180 I don't think he's that guy,

00:30:25.520 actually.

00:30:25.980 I don't think he likes

00:30:26.660 creepy sex stuff.

00:30:27.840 That's just my view.

00:30:28.880 But moreover,

00:30:29.620 but more,

00:30:30.040 I think,

00:30:30.560 convincing is that

00:30:31.760 this is all information

00:30:32.980 that the Biden administration had.

00:30:35.840 And if there was evidence

00:30:36.780 that Trump had been involved

00:30:37.860 in illegal sexual activity,

00:30:39.300 you think the people

00:30:40.560 who made up Russiagate

00:30:41.420 wouldn't have leaked it?

00:30:42.460 Right.

00:30:42.620 Come on now.

00:30:43.660 So the only other explanation

00:30:44.880 that I can think of,

00:30:45.540 again,

00:30:45.700 maybe you've got another,

00:30:46.640 is that Intel services

00:30:47.980 are at the very center

00:30:49.420 of this story,

00:30:50.580 U.S. and Israeli,

00:30:52.780 and they're being protected.

00:30:54.500 I think that seems like

00:30:55.440 the most plausible.

00:30:55.980 That's the most obvious.

00:30:56.820 I have a history of this.

00:30:58.040 There have been multiple

00:30:58.740 documented cases

00:30:59.620 of pedophilia

00:31:00.900 inside of the CIA

00:31:02.040 perpetrated by CIA officers,

00:31:04.540 documented that

00:31:05.380 in many of those,

00:31:06.200 I believe over a dozen cases,

00:31:07.660 this was a BuzzFeed news piece

00:31:08.920 years back,

00:31:09.900 where the CIA

00:31:10.560 specifically did not want

00:31:11.860 to prosecute those individuals

00:31:13.100 in federal court

00:31:13.940 for fear that they would

00:31:15.440 reveal sources and methods

00:31:16.720 if they were pulled

00:31:17.680 into open court

00:31:18.960 and they basically

00:31:19.720 just made it go away.

00:31:20.920 The only time

00:31:21.600 they actually prosecuted

00:31:22.540 somebody for child pornography

00:31:24.480 was whenever he had

00:31:26.100 already been prosecuted

00:31:27.400 for mishandling

00:31:28.500 classified information.

00:31:29.620 Well, when they want

00:31:30.140 to crush you,

00:31:30.700 they put kiddie porn

00:31:31.360 on your computer.

00:31:31.960 Why don't I have a computer?

00:31:33.420 Don't own one.

00:31:34.220 If you're an important person,

00:31:35.320 you should be careful.

00:31:36.420 No computer in my house.

00:31:37.600 This is an important thing,

00:31:39.140 though,

00:31:39.400 is that we already have

00:31:41.060 documented cases

00:31:41.960 of them covering this up.

00:31:43.720 I believe the CIA

00:31:44.820 inspector general,

00:31:45.760 I forget the exact quote,

00:31:46.920 but he said something

00:31:47.700 along the lines of

00:31:48.560 you wouldn't even believe

00:31:49.420 the amount of child porn

00:31:50.460 that I've seen

00:31:51.780 while I'm on this job.

00:31:53.180 I mean,

00:31:53.340 these are depraved.

00:31:54.560 Look,

00:31:55.040 I mean,

00:31:55.240 it's a large organization,

00:31:56.600 a small percentage

00:31:57.300 of the US,

00:31:57.760 you know,

00:31:58.040 we can make that argument.

00:31:59.460 I think there is

00:32:00.160 like something pathological,

00:32:01.740 you know,

00:32:01.920 kind of in the minds

00:32:02.640 of the people

00:32:03.080 who excel

00:32:03.980 in this type of environment.

00:32:05.520 Of course,

00:32:06.000 it's based on lying.

00:32:07.320 Yes.

00:32:07.980 And lying is the gateway drug

00:32:09.380 to every other sin.

00:32:10.480 Of course,

00:32:11.240 and the veil of secrecy

00:32:12.200 that protects the CIA

00:32:12.940 up to and including

00:32:13.640 its budget,

00:32:14.340 which we can't know,

00:32:15.760 makes all kinds of

00:32:17.540 really evil behavior possible.

00:32:19.760 In fact,

00:32:19.980 it inspires it.

00:32:21.100 If you felt,

00:32:22.320 if you had the cloak

00:32:22.820 of invisibility,

00:32:24.440 would that improve

00:32:25.220 or degrade your behavior?

00:32:26.460 Yes.

00:32:28.060 Everyone knows

00:32:28.680 the answer to that.

00:32:30.120 Of course,

00:32:30.620 you'd be like,

00:32:31.160 I'm invisible.

00:32:31.900 At some point,

00:32:32.360 you're going to have

00:32:32.720 to go up and go like,

00:32:33.280 you know,

00:32:34.420 you couldn't.

00:32:35.100 It doesn't make you

00:32:36.220 a better person.

00:32:37.020 They see their own colleagues

00:32:38.220 getting away with it

00:32:39.200 and it's a permission structure.

00:32:40.840 And so,

00:32:41.260 look,

00:32:41.440 I mean,

00:32:41.580 that's a small case,

00:32:42.640 but it just shows us

00:32:43.560 that it's obvious

00:32:44.300 and it's something

00:32:44.880 that has been

00:32:45.500 in multiple intelligence

00:32:46.900 communities

00:32:47.420 have been ensnared in this.

00:32:48.560 Again,

00:32:48.740 I highly recommend

00:32:49.540 Daryl Cooper's episode

00:32:50.920 on the entire Epstein saga

00:32:52.400 because I didn't know

00:32:53.520 about this case

00:32:54.260 in Northern Ireland.

00:32:54.720 Am I allowed

00:32:55.100 to listen to that?

00:32:55.940 Oh, right.

00:32:56.280 I was incredibly informed

00:32:57.960 by Mark Levin

00:32:58.520 that he was a Holocaust denier.

00:33:00.840 Oh,

00:33:01.120 I mean,

00:33:01.540 words are supposed

00:33:02.460 to have meaning,

00:33:03.140 you know,

00:33:03.500 and that's the most frustrating.

00:33:04.000 Can I ask about

00:33:05.100 cons who are,

00:33:06.400 I mean,

00:33:06.780 keep in mind

00:33:07.480 that it was Jay Lefkowitz

00:33:08.740 who's Bill Kristol's lawyer

00:33:09.840 who represented

00:33:10.560 the Weekly Standard

00:33:11.280 when I worked there

00:33:12.040 who was an Epstein lawyer.

00:33:14.580 Yeah.

00:33:14.900 And so,

00:33:15.440 like,

00:33:15.900 where's Mark Levin

00:33:16.720 on Epstein?

00:33:17.460 I noticed that

00:33:18.220 all these

00:33:18.840 very voluble people

00:33:21.020 who do not hesitate

00:33:22.240 before imposing

00:33:23.060 their opinions

00:33:23.540 on the rest of us

00:33:24.220 suddenly don't have

00:33:25.020 very strong opinions

00:33:26.360 about Epstein.

00:33:27.040 What is that?

00:33:27.640 Every accusation

00:33:28.500 is actually an admission.

00:33:30.280 But why is Mark Levin

00:33:31.400 covering for Epstein?

00:33:32.400 That's kind of weird.

00:33:33.100 That's a great question.

00:33:34.080 And in particular,

00:33:34.880 when he's going to

00:33:35.520 accuse you

00:33:36.340 of being funded

00:33:37.080 by the Qatari government.

00:33:39.400 If only.

00:33:40.280 Right.

00:33:40.520 That's what I mean

00:33:41.180 about the accusation

00:33:42.100 is the admission.

00:33:42.900 The Qatari government.

00:33:43.820 The accusation,

00:33:44.500 you know,

00:33:44.680 they can concoct

00:33:45.240 all these wild schemes

00:33:46.200 about how Steve Wyckoff

00:33:47.320 or me or you

00:33:48.120 or anybody else

00:33:48.820 is funded

00:33:49.260 by the state of Qatar

00:33:50.440 when in reality,

00:33:52.060 I mean,

00:33:52.280 as you know,

00:33:52.760 it's like,

00:33:53.020 we're really,

00:33:53.460 you guys want to talk

00:33:54.100 about foreign funding?

00:33:55.020 Let's go.

00:33:55.720 Let's take a look

00:33:56.320 at your C3s

00:33:57.260 and release all of the data.

00:34:00.280 It's so wild.

00:34:00.320 I would be happy

00:34:01.020 to take a look

00:34:01.660 at it for you.

00:34:02.400 Especially Qatar.

00:34:04.160 I found out last night

00:34:05.280 at dinner

00:34:05.560 you went to high school

00:34:06.480 in Qatar.

00:34:06.760 Yes, I did.

00:34:07.500 Yeah,

00:34:07.660 they love to use that one.

00:34:08.700 I went to high school

00:34:09.340 my last year,

00:34:09.960 American School of Doha.

00:34:11.360 By the way,

00:34:11.740 I don't think

00:34:12.020 the Qatari government

00:34:12.580 likes me very much

00:34:13.400 because I've talked

00:34:14.000 quite a bit about

00:34:14.760 how a lot of migrant laborers

00:34:16.720 are abused there.

00:34:18.260 But of course,

00:34:19.340 they still find that

00:34:20.120 tenuous connection

00:34:21.340 as some sort of,

00:34:22.280 you know,

00:34:22.620 admission,

00:34:23.200 supposedly I'm funded.

00:34:24.460 The only people

00:34:24.780 who fund me

00:34:25.220 are my business

00:34:25.980 and the people

00:34:26.400 who are previous subscribers,

00:34:28.020 which is great.

00:34:29.020 And that's part of the reason

00:34:29.940 I can speak the way

00:34:30.700 that I am.

00:34:31.420 I literally dare them

00:34:32.740 to disclose their donors

00:34:34.880 and those ties

00:34:35.860 to the Israeli government

00:34:37.220 and the Israel lobby.

00:34:38.240 I dare them to do it

00:34:39.140 and they never will

00:34:40.000 or any of the other

00:34:40.960 foreign governments

00:34:41.580 that directly prop them up.

00:34:43.520 And this brings us

00:34:44.120 to Epstein.

00:34:45.180 Why,

00:34:45.600 you know,

00:34:45.820 the Epstein,

00:34:46.820 Leslie Wexner Foundation

00:34:47.840 under Jeffrey Epstein,

00:34:49.440 paid Ehud Barak

00:34:50.540 $2.3 million

00:34:51.860 to write two papers.

00:34:53.380 I believe he did not

00:34:54.060 even finish the second one.

00:34:55.560 This is a non-profit

00:34:56.560 funnel of money.

00:34:58.760 Really?

00:34:59.140 What's going on with that?

00:35:00.060 Can I get that gig?

00:35:00.680 Yeah, can I?

00:35:01.120 That sounds like a great gig.

00:35:02.400 You know,

00:35:02.540 for anybody out there

00:35:03.520 who's struggling

00:35:03.940 with their bills,

00:35:05.200 money is easy, okay?

00:35:06.520 Whenever you're willing

00:35:07.700 to engage

00:35:08.460 in a lot of

00:35:09.120 very sketchy behavior.

00:35:10.960 And this is a pattern

00:35:11.960 I've noticed

00:35:12.540 all across Washington

00:35:13.960 is that they ignore

00:35:15.280 strategically

00:35:16.020 the Epstein story

00:35:17.420 because it's inconvenient.

00:35:18.580 And it's not,

00:35:19.280 or not even really inconvenient.

00:35:20.240 I think it's just

00:35:20.840 so deeply enmeshed here.

00:35:22.060 And I just bring it back

00:35:23.100 to Alex Acosta.

00:35:23.960 He told us the truth once,

00:35:25.520 which was,

00:35:25.900 or not us,

00:35:26.600 he told them the truth once.

00:35:27.920 In sworn testimony,

00:35:29.020 he belonged to intelligence.

00:35:31.140 And we've never,

00:35:31.960 I mean,

00:35:32.300 with Maxwell,

00:35:33.520 who we have all of these

00:35:34.720 documented ties

00:35:36.300 to Mossad

00:35:37.260 and to the intelligence community

00:35:38.460 and all these sketchy dealings.

00:35:39.700 And then his daughter

00:35:40.820 working with Epstein.

00:35:41.960 We have the Wexner Foundation,

00:35:43.700 which we know

00:35:44.440 is highly involved

00:35:45.940 in Zionist interests here

00:35:47.240 in the United States of America.

00:35:48.900 We have Epstein as well,

00:35:50.480 who's been linked

00:35:50.940 to some of these organizations,

00:35:52.600 or at least through

00:35:53.120 funneling money

00:35:53.720 via the Wexner Foundation.

00:35:55.460 We know about his past,

00:35:57.360 you know,

00:35:57.560 with money laundering

00:35:58.540 for what purpose.

00:35:59.440 That is the crux

00:36:00.860 of the intelligence community's ability

00:36:02.600 to move things around

00:36:04.380 and to pay

00:36:04.960 for off the books,

00:36:06.240 extremely off the books activity.

00:36:08.220 It traces back to the lying.

00:36:09.640 As you said,

00:36:10.320 that's part of why

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00:37:44.700 It was ridiculous,

00:37:45.820 but it was also a metaphor

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00:37:50.060 They're constantly telling you,

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00:38:03.020 Crime is not going away.

00:38:04.740 Supply chains remain fragile.

00:38:06.380 It does feel like

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00:38:52.180 Why can't we have a country

00:38:53.660 that is sovereign,

00:38:55.120 that can make its own decisions

00:38:56.720 and restore health

00:38:58.680 to our international relations

00:39:00.400 where we have allies,

00:39:02.480 hopefully many more

00:39:03.340 than we currently have.

00:39:04.220 We don't have enough allies,

00:39:05.480 in my opinion.

00:39:06.360 I'm hardly in isolation.

00:39:06.900 Or we have the wrong allies.

00:39:08.160 Or the wrong allies.

00:39:08.840 But the number is dwindling.

00:39:10.820 So it's, right,

00:39:11.760 only a couple real allies left

00:39:13.860 and I'm not even sure

00:39:14.600 they're allies,

00:39:15.140 but whatever.

00:39:15.940 But why couldn't you have,

00:39:17.320 at least conceptually,

00:39:19.000 a situation where,

00:39:20.240 you know,

00:39:20.620 you act in your own interest

00:39:21.960 and to the extent

00:39:23.160 that other countries

00:39:23.980 share that interest,

00:39:24.900 there's a union set

00:39:26.100 of interests,

00:39:27.500 you ally with them,

00:39:29.120 you know,

00:39:29.720 transactionally.

00:39:30.960 In other words,

00:39:31.280 we're both for,

00:39:32.080 we both want to build

00:39:32.680 an oil pipeline somewhere.

00:39:33.740 We both want

00:39:34.320 this shipping lane open

00:39:35.460 or we're both mad

00:39:36.260 at this other country.

00:39:36.920 You know,

00:39:37.100 it's like,

00:39:37.560 why couldn't you have that?

00:39:39.320 It's so difficult.

00:39:39.980 I mean,

00:39:40.180 that's why I mentioned Israel

00:39:41.240 previously in the example.

00:39:42.460 I think it's really important.

00:39:43.500 I mean,

00:39:43.760 if you were to listen

00:39:44.800 to Fox News,

00:39:45.740 you would think

00:39:46.240 that this is the greatest

00:39:47.300 juggernaut economy

00:39:48.360 in the history of the world.

00:39:49.540 I mean,

00:39:50.000 I had ChatGPT

00:39:51.120 do a mathematical analysis

00:39:52.680 and I said,

00:39:53.180 give me five countries

00:39:54.160 that best resemble

00:39:55.240 the U.S.-Israel

00:39:55.960 trading relationship

00:39:56.780 and it was Singapore,

00:39:59.120 you know,

00:39:59.400 countries like Singapore,

00:40:00.760 Chile,

00:40:01.320 and Switzerland

00:40:01.840 and I love,

00:40:03.580 like,

00:40:03.880 I love those countries.

00:40:04.940 I do too.

00:40:05.320 I have,

00:40:05.880 I love those places.

00:40:07.720 Yeah.

00:40:07.900 Frankly,

00:40:08.320 I think Singapore

00:40:08.940 has a better,

00:40:09.920 you know,

00:40:10.280 if we're talking about

00:40:11.020 grand strategy

00:40:11.640 and all that,

00:40:12.380 of the list,

00:40:13.360 that would put that one higher

00:40:14.600 than any of the rest

00:40:15.920 but we don't talk about this

00:40:17.820 in the terms

00:40:18.620 of actual transaction

00:40:19.920 because then people

00:40:20.580 might actually start to ask

00:40:21.660 a lot of questions.

00:40:22.760 I mean,

00:40:22.900 I remember this with Ukraine.

00:40:24.160 I was like,

00:40:24.460 we barely do

00:40:25.280 bilateral trade

00:40:26.360 with this country.

00:40:27.400 It's one of the most

00:40:27.840 insignificant countries

00:40:28.920 in all of Europe

00:40:29.740 to the U.S.

00:40:30.800 trading relationship.

00:40:31.880 We can talk at,

00:40:33.160 you know,

00:40:33.380 the way they blow up

00:40:35.920 the Israel relationships

00:40:36.640 is Israel does our dirty work

00:40:38.080 for us in the U.S.

00:40:39.200 and I'm like,

00:40:39.520 well,

00:40:39.640 are they doing our dirty work

00:40:41.000 or are they doing

00:40:41.680 their own dirty work

00:40:42.600 and then basically

00:40:43.340 passing the buck

00:40:44.480 and the bill

00:40:45.000 onto the United States?

00:40:45.200 Why would we outsource that anyway?

00:40:47.140 Exactly.

00:40:47.760 And so then

00:40:48.240 it comes down

00:40:49.020 to all these questions,

00:40:49.660 like you said,

00:40:50.160 of national interest

00:40:51.260 and even in the,

00:40:52.020 the exception that we make

00:40:53.380 for this country

00:40:54.420 is just so unbelievable.

00:40:56.220 I mean,

00:40:56.400 let's take the case

00:40:57.080 of Jonathan Pollard

00:40:57.960 who's one of the biggest traitors

00:40:59.660 in the history

00:41:00.160 of the United States

00:41:00.940 for passing classified information

00:41:02.680 on to the Israeli government.

00:41:04.400 They were caught

00:41:04.940 out in the open.

00:41:06.280 Prime Minister Netanyahu

00:41:07.440 used to visit our soil

00:41:08.960 and actively campaign

00:41:10.320 and urge our presidents

00:41:11.960 of the United States

00:41:12.760 to pardon Jonathan Pollard

00:41:14.580 for betraying our country

00:41:16.420 to his country.

00:41:17.420 Do you have any idea

00:41:17.980 what they did

00:41:18.520 with the classified information,

00:41:19.900 those secrets?

00:41:20.380 Well, I actually have no idea,

00:41:22.960 but what I do remember-

00:41:23.860 They gave them

00:41:24.180 to the Soviet Union.

00:41:25.380 Oh, that's right.

00:41:26.140 That's right.

00:41:26.680 And this was during,

00:41:27.640 this was in the 80s

00:41:28.220 during the Cold War.

00:41:29.480 It was 1985.

00:41:30.320 It was 85.

00:41:31.080 I remember it well.

00:41:31.840 I lived in Washington.

00:41:32.960 My dad worked for the government

00:41:33.780 and that was a,

00:41:35.560 you know,

00:41:35.860 that was a very serious,

00:41:37.560 whatever you think

00:41:38.020 of the Cold War

00:41:38.500 in retrospect.

00:41:39.180 But like at the time,

00:41:40.060 the full focus

00:41:41.060 of the U.S. government

00:41:41.740 was focused,

00:41:43.440 you know,

00:41:43.600 was in opposition

00:41:44.280 to the Soviets.

00:41:45.920 And the Israelis

00:41:46.980 gave a lot

00:41:48.640 of that classified information

00:41:49.640 from the U.S. Navy

00:41:50.360 to the Soviet government

00:41:51.820 in exchange

00:41:52.580 for allowing refuseniks,

00:41:55.460 you know,

00:41:55.880 Jewish Soviet citizens

00:41:57.020 to move to Israel.

00:41:58.300 Which I'm totally for.

00:41:59.380 I mean,

00:41:59.500 I'm glad that they got out.

00:42:00.360 Yeah, do what you want.

00:42:00.600 I'm glad that they got out

00:42:01.740 of the Soviet Union

00:42:03.280 and made it to Israel.

00:42:04.040 That's great.

00:42:05.560 But they took our secrets

00:42:08.720 and gave them

00:42:09.600 to our main enemy,

00:42:11.080 our really only global enemy.

00:42:13.300 What?

00:42:13.940 Yeah.

00:42:14.820 And then,

00:42:15.280 and have the audacity.

00:42:16.560 Well, then how can you

00:42:17.280 have a relationship

00:42:17.840 after that?

00:42:18.420 Yeah, and have the audacity

00:42:19.540 to come to our country

00:42:20.640 and to lobby in seriousness

00:42:22.440 to the presidents

00:42:23.260 to visit this man in prison,

00:42:24.680 to grant him Israeli citizenship,

00:42:26.220 to grant him,

00:42:27.040 basically,

00:42:27.500 the moment he's on parole,

00:42:28.460 he immediately moves to Israel.

00:42:29.700 He received a hero's welcome

00:42:30.840 and it remains there

00:42:31.700 to this day.

00:42:32.760 I mean,

00:42:33.320 we would not allow that

00:42:34.460 for any of the country.

00:42:34.780 This is not a healthy relationship.

00:42:35.940 This is not a healthy relationship.

00:42:37.700 Exactly.

00:42:38.240 And that's an important thing

00:42:39.600 for Americans to understand.

00:42:41.180 One of the many tragic byproducts

00:42:43.020 is I think it's destroying the right.

00:42:44.720 And I say that as someone

00:42:46.640 who's been on the right

00:42:47.180 my whole life,

00:42:48.240 and my whole life,

00:42:49.140 I've been on the right

00:42:49.900 and I really sort of believe

00:42:51.240 in the basic ideas

00:42:52.200 and I'm not a liberal.

00:42:54.800 That's for sure.

00:42:56.140 In fact,

00:42:56.520 I'm way more conservative

00:42:57.400 than Mark Levin.

00:42:58.400 That's for sure.

00:42:59.300 But it's like,

00:43:00.980 the problem is

00:43:02.220 the promise of MAGA

00:43:03.840 is America first

00:43:04.940 and the contradiction

00:43:06.640 is just too obvious.

00:43:07.880 You can't,

00:43:08.640 you know,

00:43:08.880 if you're Joe Biden

00:43:10.260 and you're,

00:43:11.380 you know,

00:43:11.700 senile

00:43:12.100 and it's being run by

00:43:13.420 a bunch of sinister

00:43:14.900 shadowy figures

00:43:16.120 in the background

00:43:16.860 and you do something like this,

00:43:18.080 it's like,

00:43:18.320 of course they're doing it.

00:43:19.360 But if you get up

00:43:20.100 and you say,

00:43:20.780 we're going to restore

00:43:21.440 greatness to this country,

00:43:22.680 we're going to do it

00:43:23.140 by putting our own interests first.

00:43:24.920 That's what every country does.

00:43:26.300 That's kind of natural.

00:43:27.600 It's organic.

00:43:28.860 And then you put

00:43:30.020 the interests of a country

00:43:31.220 of nine million people

00:43:32.000 above your own

00:43:32.820 in a way that's just insulting.

00:43:35.220 Yes.

00:43:35.900 People can't deal with that.

00:43:37.340 Like their brains

00:43:37.980 start to explode.

00:43:38.840 And I think this is blowing up

00:43:40.600 the coalition.

00:43:41.620 I hope I'm wrong.

00:43:42.420 I,

00:43:42.540 I support the coalition.

00:43:44.360 All these people are like,

00:43:44.880 you're not MAGA.

00:43:45.600 Really?

00:43:46.120 Did you campaign for Trump?

00:43:47.320 Right.

00:43:48.060 Please.

00:43:49.020 That's right.

00:43:49.460 I mean,

00:43:49.700 please,

00:43:50.320 you know,

00:43:50.740 I'm liberal.

00:43:51.460 Okay.

00:43:51.940 But I'm so,

00:43:52.680 I worry about that.

00:43:53.580 I feel like that's happening.

00:43:54.740 I think you should be worried about it.

00:43:56.080 And well,

00:43:56.840 look,

00:43:57.040 we can parse these things

00:43:58.200 at a variety of levels.

00:43:59.340 So the there's,

00:44:00.640 you said MAGA

00:44:01.400 and I think that's important.

00:44:02.520 I think the vast majority

00:44:03.560 of people who are

00:44:04.320 self-identified as MAGA,

00:44:05.880 they supported the Iran strikes

00:44:07.260 and they generally support

00:44:08.180 President Trump.

00:44:08.840 And they have a lot of trust

00:44:09.840 in the man.

00:44:10.820 They do.

00:44:11.160 What I keep trying to tell people

00:44:12.580 is people are saying,

00:44:13.980 oh,

00:44:14.100 there's a split in the MAGA.

00:44:15.420 But you said it correctly,

00:44:16.660 the right.

00:44:17.140 And I would look at the right

00:44:18.200 as the coalition

00:44:19.180 that delivered Donald Trump

00:44:20.200 the first popular vote victory

00:44:21.400 since 2004.

00:44:22.940 The margin of anti-war support

00:44:25.080 for Donald Trump

00:44:25.860 is his entire electoral margin

00:44:27.540 in the state of Michigan.

00:44:28.580 The entire electoral margin

00:44:30.320 in the state of Michigan.

00:44:31.340 And I think that his ability

00:44:32.880 to win Michigan twice now,

00:44:34.600 three in three races,

00:44:35.960 is pretty damn important

00:44:36.980 for looking at the so-called

00:44:38.200 realignment of the white working class

00:44:40.180 and of this new coalition.

00:44:41.580 Let's also look,

00:44:42.440 I actually,

00:44:43.140 on our show,

00:44:43.920 our producer went to the Bronx,

00:44:45.600 AOC's district,

00:44:46.740 and interviewed people

00:44:48.020 who were AOC Trump voters.

00:44:50.020 And the number one reason

00:44:51.780 that we got from them

00:44:52.720 was war.

00:44:53.400 It was the promise

00:44:55.020 to bring an end

00:44:56.500 to the war,

00:44:57.480 both in Israel and Gaza

00:44:58.280 and in Ukraine.

00:44:59.480 Because there is something visceral,

00:45:01.440 let's say that you live

00:45:02.240 in the Bronx

00:45:02.740 and you're having problems

00:45:04.060 in your neighborhood

00:45:04.740 and watching these countries

00:45:06.360 get tens of billions of dollars.

00:45:08.860 Three carrier strike groups

00:45:10.340 of the United States of America

00:45:11.580 were present

00:45:12.400 in the Middle East

00:45:13.720 specifically to back up Israel

00:45:15.220 during the 12-day war.

00:45:17.300 You asked Ted Cruz

00:45:18.340 a very important question.

00:45:19.360 Do you know how much that costs?

00:45:20.980 I looked it up.

00:45:21.980 It's actually public information.

00:45:23.920 It's about a quarter,

00:45:24.920 I believe it's like

00:45:25.920 a quarter billion dollars

00:45:27.860 per group per month

00:45:29.980 for deployment.

00:45:30.840 That was just for the deployment.

00:45:32.760 The April operation.

00:45:34.560 That's separate from weapons fired.

00:45:35.680 That's separate from all the way.

00:45:36.680 And by the way,

00:45:37.100 that number,

00:45:37.800 which they will never release,

00:45:39.060 is in the billions of dollars.

00:45:41.320 And then let's take

00:45:41.980 opportunity costs.

00:45:43.340 We basically used up

00:45:45.140 a massive stockpile

00:45:47.540 of U.S. interceptors

00:45:48.520 which are critical

00:45:49.520 for our bases in Qatar

00:45:50.880 or for everywhere else

00:45:52.180 around the world

00:45:52.860 on behalf of this foreign nation,

00:45:55.220 which we were told repeatedly

00:45:56.520 the reason we give it

00:45:57.420 3.3 billion a year

00:45:58.660 was so they can defend themselves.

00:46:00.280 Well, if they can defend themselves,

00:46:01.940 then why did it take

00:46:03.400 the full deployment

00:46:04.460 of the U.S. empire

00:46:05.440 to basically shield it?

00:46:07.360 And even then,

00:46:08.260 in terms of its shielding,

00:46:09.240 as you, I mean,

00:46:10.020 I'm sure you felt the same way.

00:46:11.160 I've been to Tel Aviv.

00:46:12.160 Watching that city

00:46:12.940 get rocked by rockets

00:46:13.880 was a shocking experience.

00:46:15.140 That was not what we were,

00:46:16.580 I hated it too.

00:46:17.480 I've been there.

00:46:18.040 It's a beautiful city.

00:46:19.120 The people there are great.

00:46:20.780 And to watch their cities,

00:46:22.200 I mean, that's some London level,

00:46:24.020 you know, photography

00:46:24.840 from World War II.

00:46:26.700 And so the fact

00:46:28.260 that that happened

00:46:29.120 and that also,

00:46:30.080 by the way,

00:46:30.380 we just increased

00:46:30.960 the defense budget

00:46:31.580 to $1 trillion.

00:46:32.600 For what purpose?

00:46:33.400 I can't exactly tell you

00:46:34.560 because even with that money

00:46:36.080 all spent in the past,

00:46:37.860 it doesn't seem

00:46:38.480 that we're all that competent

00:46:39.320 at building interceptors,

00:46:40.520 at ammunition.

00:46:41.700 Russia, I believe,

00:46:42.440 has a defense budget

00:46:43.480 like more than,

00:46:44.360 what is it,

00:46:44.700 one quarter

00:46:45.280 or something like that

00:46:46.060 of the United States

00:46:47.100 produces like more ammunition

00:46:48.480 than all of NATO combined.

00:46:50.000 How do these things happen, right?

00:46:51.240 So we have rife for corruption.

00:46:52.440 The point is,

00:46:53.420 is that MAGA and the right,

00:46:55.300 let's say the non-MAGA right,

00:46:57.240 people who voted

00:46:57.900 for Donald Trump

00:46:58.600 in good faith

00:46:59.460 on a variety

00:47:00.380 of good promises,

00:47:01.480 I think for those people

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00:47:07.680 of tension and obsession

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00:47:14.380 why are you obsessed

00:47:15.780 with Israel?

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00:47:17.760 what did I just describe here

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00:47:19.500 Calling you an anti-Semite

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00:49:03.340 It's so exactly

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00:49:06.660 It's so exactly

00:49:07.580 the woke, right?

00:49:09.060 I mean,

00:49:09.580 that...

00:49:10.540 It's bewildering

00:49:12.500 and it's dishonesty.

00:49:13.540 I'm not engaging

00:49:14.420 and I'm off the internet,

00:49:15.240 but I give up.

00:49:16.320 But it's so revealing.

00:49:19.080 It's like,

00:49:19.660 wait,

00:49:20.540 I just voted against this.

00:49:22.480 I voted against

00:49:23.260 not just the argument,

00:49:24.640 but the style of argument

00:49:26.280 of the left,

00:49:27.540 which is to not engage

00:49:28.620 with the points

00:49:29.120 that you make at all,

00:49:30.060 to lie past them,

00:49:31.340 ignore them,

00:49:32.320 and instead attack

00:49:33.240 your motive

00:49:33.960 and your character.

00:49:35.140 You're a racist.

00:49:36.780 You know,

00:49:37.200 you're getting paid

00:49:37.980 by Russia.

00:49:39.500 We moved seamlessly

00:49:40.640 from that

00:49:41.540 to like Mark Levin

00:49:43.100 saying the same,

00:49:46.140 exact same thing.

00:49:47.360 You're a racist.

00:49:48.160 You're anti-Semite.

00:49:48.980 You're hanging around

00:49:49.760 with Holocaust deniers.

00:49:50.840 What?

00:49:51.520 You're paid

00:49:52.300 by a foreign country,

00:49:54.140 Qatar,

00:49:55.020 which I still find hilarious.

00:49:57.140 For the record,

00:49:58.120 of course,

00:49:58.360 I've never taken a dollar

00:49:59.100 from anybody.

00:50:00.160 I don't even have investors,

00:50:01.560 but whatever.

00:50:03.040 But it's go-to-motive

00:50:04.140 rather than engage

00:50:06.660 with what you said.

00:50:07.720 I saw this all coming

00:50:08.700 a mile away.

00:50:09.480 You did?

00:50:10.020 Yeah, because...

00:50:10.960 I'm heartbroken to see it.

00:50:12.460 Well, you should be.

00:50:13.960 This is why you've been successful

00:50:14.800 because you're smart.

00:50:16.000 Well, I mean,

00:50:17.160 I've taken a lot of...

00:50:18.240 It's cost me a lot

00:50:19.020 of personal problems,

00:50:19.920 I can tell you that.

00:50:20.540 But I remember,

00:50:21.920 I believe it was

00:50:22.660 right after October 7th,

00:50:24.660 Bill Ackman

00:50:25.200 and a lot of other

00:50:26.280 prominent Wall Street financiers

00:50:28.360 who are very pro-Israel...

00:50:29.540 Bill Ackman's done a lot

00:50:30.480 for our economy, sorry.

00:50:31.360 Oh, that's right.

00:50:32.180 That's right.

00:50:32.540 I forgot about that.

00:50:33.660 Talking down

00:50:34.340 publicly traded corporations

00:50:35.640 and then shorting them.

00:50:37.220 That's...

00:50:37.580 It's capitalism.

00:50:39.400 How are investors doing?

00:50:40.480 I would just ask people

00:50:41.160 to go and take a look

00:50:41.740 at those books,

00:50:42.400 but whatever.

00:50:43.460 Let's take a look at Ackman.

00:50:44.600 He's a very patriotic guy

00:50:45.760 who's done a lot

00:50:46.260 for this country,

00:50:46.900 so keep that in mind.

00:50:48.100 Okay.

00:50:48.720 Well, this patriotic American

00:50:50.380 and a lot of these other

00:50:51.320 pro-Israel billionaires

00:50:52.840 were literally compiling lists

00:50:54.280 of students

00:50:55.160 who were protesting

00:50:57.680 the Israeli government's response

00:50:59.580 to October 7th.

00:51:00.900 Many of these

00:51:01.480 were American citizens

00:51:02.480 compiling lists

00:51:03.440 and basically saying

00:51:04.420 don't ever hire these people

00:51:05.960 and circulating them

00:51:06.820 around the highest levels

00:51:08.100 of Wall Street finance,

00:51:09.500 of technology,

00:51:10.300 getting people fired

00:51:11.060 from law firms

00:51:12.380 that they had offers to.

00:51:13.040 Because they criticized America?

00:51:14.660 Because they criticized Israel.

00:51:16.480 What about America?

00:51:17.380 Yes, that's an important question.

00:51:18.860 But what I noticed,

00:51:19.920 and I said this at the time,

00:51:21.380 is for all of these people,

00:51:23.140 it is now obvious

00:51:24.040 that they never were really opposed

00:51:26.700 to DEI.

00:51:27.660 Oh, of course not.

00:51:28.320 What they wanted...

00:51:28.940 They paid for it.

00:51:29.560 Yes.

00:51:29.860 What they...

00:51:30.320 Yeah, that's a great point.

00:51:31.620 What they wanted

00:51:32.420 was they want

00:51:34.240 their interest group,

00:51:36.780 Zionism in particular,

00:51:37.780 in support of the Israeli government,

00:51:39.080 to be included

00:51:40.180 within the DEI regime.

00:51:41.840 And that was a very important point

00:51:43.220 because eventually

00:51:44.280 that became fused somehow

00:51:46.040 with MAGA.

00:51:47.300 And that's how...

00:51:48.040 Explains a huge level

00:51:49.260 of a lot of very high profile,

00:51:51.440 very, very rich people

00:51:52.320 in technology industry

00:51:53.360 and in finance

00:51:54.020 who supported

00:51:54.880 the Trump administration.

00:51:56.260 And the promise,

00:51:57.380 effectively,

00:51:58.080 that has now been delivered

00:51:58.920 is that by using

00:52:00.640 this newly crafted,

00:52:02.120 like, DEI-style regime,

00:52:04.040 which basically uses

00:52:05.540 the state

00:52:06.220 and the police state

00:52:07.260 as effectively a force

00:52:09.220 for a political party

00:52:10.500 in Israel.

00:52:11.020 That's another thing

00:52:11.660 that I love

00:52:12.700 when you say this as well.

00:52:13.660 It's not about even Israel

00:52:14.900 at this point.

00:52:15.400 We're talking about

00:52:15.780 the Likudnik interests

00:52:17.260 in the United States

00:52:18.440 of America.

00:52:19.340 A guy who got 30% of the vote.

00:52:20.220 30% of the vote

00:52:21.300 who is under investigation

00:52:22.520 for taking money from who?

00:52:24.080 Qatar, right?

00:52:25.580 It's amazing.

00:52:27.040 He's literally fired

00:52:28.060 the head of his own FBI

00:52:29.220 for bribery allegations

00:52:30.740 from Qatari money

00:52:32.120 in his government

00:52:33.040 and has the gall

00:52:33.860 to have his, you know,

00:52:35.100 interest groups here in America

00:52:36.660 accused people like you and me

00:52:37.840 of taking money

00:52:38.500 from the very same government

00:52:39.860 that he's been credibly accused

00:52:41.700 of taking.

00:52:42.300 Now, listen, I don't know.

00:52:43.300 You know, Trump says

00:52:44.020 he's innocent or whatever.

00:52:45.160 I have a hard time

00:52:45.940 believing it.

00:52:46.860 Pretty cheeky, I would say.

00:52:47.580 It is cheeky.

00:52:48.760 And to bring it back,

00:52:50.340 I guess,

00:52:51.060 is what you said

00:52:51.860 is about America.

00:52:53.460 And the fact is

00:52:54.320 is that we're watching

00:52:55.540 the weaponization

00:52:56.800 largely backed

00:52:57.860 by a lot of these people

00:52:58.740 who have hijacked,

00:52:59.680 I think,

00:53:00.200 a large part of the American.

00:53:01.560 Maybe they didn't hijack it.

00:53:02.460 Maybe I'm the idiot, right?

00:53:03.560 I could be the idiot

00:53:04.360 for believing

00:53:05.020 some of these things.

00:53:06.420 Why did I read

00:53:07.160 Christopher Caldwell's book

00:53:08.340 and listen to Christopher Rufo

00:53:10.720 and others

00:53:11.240 about the civil rights regime

00:53:12.800 and all of this criticism

00:53:14.280 correctly

00:53:14.880 of Ibrahim Kendi

00:53:16.060 and the Department of Anti-Racism

00:53:17.560 and the enshrinement of DEI

00:53:19.320 and the Civil Rights Administration

00:53:20.840 just to watch it

00:53:21.560 get turned around

00:53:22.340 and again,

00:53:23.100 not even be used

00:53:24.200 against people

00:53:24.700 who are anti-American

00:53:25.720 but people who are

00:53:26.940 supporting a boycott

00:53:28.040 of a foreign nation,

00:53:29.480 a country here now

00:53:30.580 where students could burn

00:53:31.960 an American flag

00:53:33.120 and be fine

00:53:33.820 but if they protest Israel

00:53:35.600 could be liable

00:53:36.660 for either deportation

00:53:38.400 if they're not a citizen

00:53:39.220 or denied federal grant funding,

00:53:41.940 the current Trump administration

00:53:43.120 is suing,

00:53:44.460 using the Civil Rights Title VI,

00:53:46.360 Title VI of the Civil Rights Act,

00:53:48.240 Harvard University

00:53:49.300 for not protecting Jewish students

00:53:52.120 under the indifferent standard.

00:53:54.660 Now,

00:53:54.940 that same standard

00:53:56.060 was used

00:53:57.060 for some of the worst excesses

00:53:58.960 in the 1970s

00:53:59.980 and others

00:54:00.340 of the civil rights.

00:54:01.300 These are things

00:54:01.860 we're supposed to be against.

00:54:02.940 This is DEI,

00:54:04.160 you know,

00:54:04.420 run amok

00:54:05.080 and yet,

00:54:05.900 we're watching this happen

00:54:07.040 in our own government

00:54:08.380 and I don't see,

00:54:09.780 you know,

00:54:10.320 there's so many people,

00:54:11.360 Ben Shapiro.

00:54:11.620 There are a lot of bias

00:54:12.400 against Jewish students

00:54:13.120 at Harvard.

00:54:13.580 Oh, no.

00:54:14.460 Underrepresented.

00:54:15.000 Not last time I checked.

00:54:15.840 I mean,

00:54:16.200 I guess what I object to

00:54:18.220 is lying,

00:54:19.840 of course,

00:54:20.360 above all,

00:54:21.120 but also,

00:54:22.380 I object to

00:54:23.420 these kinds of identity politics.

00:54:25.460 Exactly.

00:54:25.760 I thought the whole point was

00:54:27.380 we're Americans

00:54:28.060 by citizenship.

00:54:29.480 Yes.

00:54:30.560 Citizenship matters

00:54:31.600 as it did in Rome.

00:54:33.320 I mean,

00:54:33.620 it did.

00:54:35.240 Paul's on trial in Rome

00:54:36.580 and he's like,

00:54:36.940 hey,

00:54:37.060 I'm a Roman citizen.

00:54:37.860 They're like,

00:54:38.160 whoa,

00:54:38.480 they back right off

00:54:39.280 because like that really meant something.

00:54:40.740 And should be.

00:54:41.360 It should mean something,

00:54:42.620 I think.

00:54:43.660 And they're continuing

00:54:46.500 in this weird leftist frame

00:54:48.980 where certain people

00:54:50.480 have more rights

00:54:51.160 than other people.

00:54:52.000 That's right.

00:54:52.420 And that's what we're watching.

00:54:53.640 I just couldn't object to that more.

00:54:56.280 And every American should.

00:54:58.220 And look,

00:54:58.740 you may not like these people.

00:55:00.100 I probably wouldn't get along

00:55:01.180 with a lot of these people.

00:55:01.980 No.

00:55:02.120 But let's sit here

00:55:03.000 and talk about Harvard,

00:55:04.000 like you said.

00:55:04.580 I mean,

00:55:04.800 to watch literally,

00:55:06.620 it's been 10 years ago,

00:55:08.440 I was sitting with my friends

00:55:09.460 in the Daily Caller office,

00:55:10.660 which you were very kind

00:55:11.520 to hire me into.

00:55:12.860 And we were watching

00:55:13.820 Ben Shapiro humiliate,

00:55:15.760 Trigglypuff, right?

00:55:16.900 We were watching

00:55:17.720 leftist students

00:55:18.620 get triggered and cry

00:55:20.020 when Ben Shapiro

00:55:21.060 would visit campus.

00:55:22.020 And we thought

00:55:22.500 it was hilarious.

00:55:23.400 Yeah.

00:55:23.540 10 years later,

00:55:24.400 I watched students

00:55:25.580 literally crying

00:55:27.060 at a podium

00:55:27.560 with the House

00:55:28.260 of Representative Speaker

00:55:29.040 Mike Johnson

00:55:29.620 next to them

00:55:30.200 talking about how

00:55:31.220 I didn't feel safe

00:55:32.700 while I was on campus.

00:55:34.540 And it's like,

00:55:35.020 well,

00:55:35.320 why didn't you feel safe?

00:55:36.640 Because people were

00:55:37.600 shouting slogans,

00:55:39.700 again,

00:55:40.060 protesting a foreign government.

00:55:42.000 Now,

00:55:42.120 that's actually

00:55:42.620 a lot more

00:55:43.120 about the psychology

00:55:43.780 of you.

00:55:44.720 But regardless,

00:55:45.500 I mean,

00:55:45.840 did we not live

00:55:46.660 through a decade

00:55:47.200 of snowflake

00:55:48.100 and fuck your feelings?

00:55:49.060 Because I was there

00:55:50.060 for that.

00:55:50.500 And I'm not going

00:55:51.240 to sit here

00:55:51.720 and watch people

00:55:52.620 who made millions

00:55:53.240 of dollars,

00:55:53.880 Shapiro and Dave Rubin

00:55:55.000 and all these other people,

00:55:56.140 making fun of student,

00:55:58.000 leftist students,

00:55:58.780 only to co-opt

00:55:59.760 the same level

00:56:00.560 of identity politics.

00:56:02.300 And like you said

00:56:02.840 about Harvard,

00:56:03.360 okay,

00:56:03.600 like,

00:56:04.000 this is important.

00:56:04.920 What is the problem

00:56:05.960 with Harvard?

00:56:06.340 To me,

00:56:07.420 the problem

00:56:07.780 of Harvard

00:56:08.180 is it took

00:56:08.840 our most elite

00:56:09.620 institute,

00:56:10.100 and Harvard is,

00:56:10.760 you know,

00:56:10.900 the whole Ivy League,

00:56:12.160 our most elite students,

00:56:13.600 it crippled them

00:56:14.480 with debt,

00:56:15.180 and 41% of graduates

00:56:16.460 now work in finance,

00:56:17.460 consulting,

00:56:17.780 and tech,

00:56:18.460 okay?

00:56:18.800 Some of the worst

00:56:19.580 industries

00:56:20.260 that are directly

00:56:21.240 extractive

00:56:22.340 of the American consumer,

00:56:24.240 basically getting rich

00:56:25.220 on their backs,

00:56:25.880 addicting them

00:56:26.620 to, you know,

00:56:27.480 crippling financial products,

00:56:29.000 technology,

00:56:30.120 consult,

00:56:30.580 I don't even know

00:56:31.140 what a lot of people

00:56:31.840 in consulting do.

00:56:32.720 Apparently,

00:56:32.940 they make a lot

00:56:33.360 of money doing it.

00:56:34.600 Is that a productive

00:56:35.360 industry for our country?

00:56:36.940 And then Harvard

00:56:37.660 University admitted

00:56:38.660 the same,

00:56:39.540 actually less students

00:56:40.280 in the class of 2023

00:56:41.440 than it did in 1981.

00:56:43.780 The U.S. population

00:56:44.460 has grown 110 million

00:56:45.760 since that point.

00:56:46.660 Now,

00:56:46.900 why do they do that?

00:56:47.640 It's for ultra-exclusivity.

00:56:49.520 It's to jack up,

00:56:50.680 you know,

00:56:50.960 prices for their tuition.

00:56:53.040 They admitted fewer

00:56:53.780 students in an 81?

00:56:54.900 Than an 81.

00:56:55.560 And the U.S. population

00:56:56.380 has grown 110 million

00:56:57.700 since that point.

00:56:58.340 Has their

00:56:59.340 administrative staff grown?

00:57:01.900 Oh,

00:57:02.120 of course.

00:57:03.020 But actually,

00:57:04.080 you're not even asking

00:57:04.680 the right question.

00:57:05.360 What about their endowment fund?

00:57:06.960 They're basically

00:57:07.540 a private equity firm

00:57:08.620 with a small

00:57:09.560 education department.

00:57:11.200 And,

00:57:11.300 you know,

00:57:11.820 they lobby against

00:57:12.740 the endowment tax

00:57:13.620 through Congress.

00:57:14.700 The endowment tax says,

00:57:15.940 hey,

00:57:16.540 increase your student body size

00:57:18.020 relative to your endowment

00:57:19.260 and you don't have

00:57:20.080 to pay any tax.

00:57:21.280 But they don't do that

00:57:22.040 because it's all about

00:57:23.040 artificial constraints,

00:57:24.780 saddling these kids up

00:57:25.720 with debt,

00:57:26.500 basically taking the best

00:57:27.500 and brightest

00:57:27.900 of the United States

00:57:28.740 of America

00:57:29.200 and turning them

00:57:30.200 into cogs

00:57:30.760 of managerial capitalism.

00:57:32.620 That is not

00:57:33.480 the Harvard University

00:57:34.460 of the,

00:57:35.620 you know,

00:57:35.980 the early,

00:57:36.640 let's say,

00:57:36.920 the World War II period.

00:57:38.080 That is not the MIT.

00:57:39.440 They're all doing

00:57:40.040 the same thing.

00:57:41.080 Those universities

00:57:42.060 were our crown jewel

00:57:43.300 and got government money

00:57:44.280 from them

00:57:44.840 so that they could set up

00:57:46.260 and go work

00:57:46.840 in industries

00:57:47.380 that were productive

00:57:48.200 and beneficial

00:57:48.840 to our country.

00:57:50.360 That's my

00:57:50.940 current critique of Harvard.

00:57:52.440 I think that's one

00:57:53.040 most Americans

00:57:53.740 would agree with.

00:57:54.860 I think that's my critique

00:57:55.580 of higher education

00:57:56.380 in general.

00:57:57.140 It's not the Middle

00:57:57.900 Eastern Studies Department.

00:57:59.300 Okay?

00:57:59.780 It's not suing them

00:58:00.880 under the Civil Rights Act

00:58:02.460 and to just to watch

00:58:04.080 this weaponization

00:58:04.960 right now,

00:58:06.040 you know,

00:58:06.280 by Pam Ponzi.

00:58:06.880 It's just such a lie.

00:58:08.000 It is a lie.

00:58:09.240 I mean,

00:58:09.580 if you really want to play

00:58:10.860 like the demographics game

00:58:12.520 and who's getting shafted

00:58:14.100 and like,

00:58:14.480 well,

00:58:14.560 who gets into Harvard

00:58:15.320 actually?

00:58:15.840 Let's see the numbers

00:58:17.460 and does that

00:58:18.720 reflect the U.S. population?

00:58:20.940 No.

00:58:21.040 In fact,

00:58:21.500 let's get even radical

00:58:22.500 on the subject.

00:58:24.240 Let's measure it

00:58:25.020 against IQ tests.

00:58:26.080 Yeah.

00:58:26.620 No,

00:58:26.900 I'm serious.

00:58:27.540 You can say,

00:58:28.300 well,

00:58:28.560 you know,

00:58:28.900 the American population

00:58:30.300 is not all qualified

00:58:31.180 to go to Harvard.

00:58:31.520 Okay,

00:58:31.680 great.

00:58:32.340 So how about

00:58:32.840 let's use SAT scores

00:58:34.280 as a proxy for IQ?

00:58:36.040 Is Harvard letting in

00:58:37.100 the smartest people?

00:58:38.000 No.

00:58:38.140 In fact,

00:58:39.020 there is a concerted effort

00:58:40.580 right now

00:58:41.280 to drop

00:58:42.100 or abandon SAT

00:58:43.520 or any other

00:58:44.440 quantitative measure

00:58:46.060 specifically,

00:58:47.120 you know,

00:58:47.320 to enshrine

00:58:47.900 more of this

00:58:48.360 DEI style regime.

00:58:49.340 So who's actually

00:58:49.960 getting discriminated

00:58:50.680 against here?

00:58:51.200 Exactly.

00:58:51.800 And so then-

00:58:52.720 It's too much though.

00:58:53.740 Like,

00:58:53.960 I don't even want

00:58:54.620 to have that conversation.

00:58:55.440 I know the answer

00:58:56.140 because I know the numbers,

00:58:57.200 which I'm not going

00:58:57.680 to repeat here.

00:58:58.840 But,

00:58:59.360 because I don't want

00:59:00.560 to add to the

00:59:01.200 identity politics stuff

00:59:02.240 because I think

00:59:03.100 it's a dead end.

00:59:03.900 That's not what we're about.

00:59:05.000 I don't want to be about that.

00:59:06.240 We want to live

00:59:06.800 in a more equitable country.

00:59:07.760 That's it.

00:59:08.280 They're pushing us toward it.

00:59:09.100 But the problem is

00:59:10.380 when you lie

00:59:11.220 that aggressively

00:59:12.260 and you use

00:59:13.860 my government

00:59:14.560 to do it

00:59:15.360 and all of its

00:59:15.980 armed institutions

00:59:16.980 to do it,

00:59:17.720 then you force me.

00:59:19.080 You're making people

00:59:20.440 radical with the stuff.

00:59:21.800 Yes.

00:59:22.040 And they should be.

00:59:22.800 I mean-

00:59:23.200 I don't want radicalism,

00:59:24.620 but they're forcing

00:59:25.540 when the DOJ,

00:59:26.900 when the Congress

00:59:27.540 passes 22 antisemitism

00:59:29.180 resolutions

00:59:30.860 in the last few years

00:59:32.660 and there's still

00:59:34.860 a lot of bias

00:59:35.620 in America,

00:59:36.480 you know?

00:59:38.440 And there's still

00:59:39.280 a lot of problems

00:59:39.840 in America

00:59:40.260 that are totally unaddressed

00:59:41.460 and they're getting worse.

00:59:42.920 You turn people radical.

00:59:44.580 That's,

00:59:44.980 I'm worried about that.

00:59:46.040 One of those resolutions

00:59:46.760 they passed through the House

00:59:47.700 actually conflated

00:59:48.820 anti-Semitism

00:59:49.580 with anti-Zionism,

00:59:51.000 which is,

00:59:51.520 you know,

00:59:51.740 I mean,

00:59:52.000 they're literally saying

00:59:52.820 it is anti-Semitic

00:59:54.940 as in-

00:59:55.520 It is a crime

00:59:56.080 to criticize

00:59:56.660 a foreign country.

00:59:57.560 A foreign country

00:59:58.660 or even an ideology

01:00:00.000 which believes

01:00:00.660 in the existence

01:00:01.220 of a foreign country.

01:00:02.380 Why are they doing this?

01:00:03.020 Well, I mean, look-

01:00:03.780 It's bonkers, man.

01:00:04.860 It's bonkers.

01:00:05.460 It's beyond bonkers

01:00:06.520 and I wish money

01:00:07.620 were the answer.

01:00:08.480 I'm not saying

01:00:09.100 it isn't just

01:00:09.640 a critical part of it.

01:00:10.480 I agree.

01:00:10.720 It is a part

01:00:12.140 of just this

01:00:13.040 propagandistic campaign

01:00:14.940 to convince

01:00:15.660 that this is

01:00:16.460 our greatest ally,

01:00:17.760 that actually

01:00:18.360 we would die

01:00:19.120 before we would

01:00:19.700 let any of them die

01:00:20.760 and a lot of it

01:00:22.180 is enshrined,

01:00:23.440 unfortunately,

01:00:24.960 in like a

01:00:26.120 bastardization

01:00:27.440 of Christian

01:00:28.200 and rabbinical theology

01:00:29.540 as Ted Cruz revealed.

01:00:31.620 I mean,

01:00:31.800 actually what really

01:00:32.460 revealed to me

01:00:33.160 was he didn't even

01:00:34.300 really know

01:00:34.760 what he was saying,

01:00:35.500 what he was quoting.

01:00:36.280 I had no idea.

01:00:36.680 But he was taught

01:00:37.680 that that's what

01:00:38.220 he was supposed to spare it.

01:00:40.140 But that's a legitimate belief.

01:00:41.600 It's in the Bible.

01:00:42.760 Right.

01:00:43.140 That's how we end up

01:00:43.840 with Brian Mass

01:00:44.660 wearing the uniform

01:00:45.780 of a foreign country

01:00:46.740 in my Congress

01:00:47.880 and that's what offends me

01:00:49.620 more than anything

01:00:50.440 is the only uniform,

01:00:52.640 in my opinion,

01:00:53.160 that a United States

01:00:53.700 Congress person

01:00:54.600 should ever wear

01:00:55.400 is that of the

01:00:56.100 United States of America.

01:00:57.640 Well, yeah,

01:00:58.120 and I would say

01:00:59.180 to the,

01:01:00.400 you know,

01:01:01.280 to MAGA voters,

01:01:03.440 this is the program

01:01:04.220 we voted for,

01:01:04.880 the one that puts

01:01:05.580 our country

01:01:06.340 where we were born

01:01:07.080 at the center

01:01:07.760 of the conversation

01:01:08.560 at the top

01:01:10.000 of the priority list.

01:01:11.140 Yeah, so those

01:01:11.760 are the rules.

01:01:12.640 So like,

01:01:13.140 anyway,

01:01:13.600 where does this,

01:01:15.220 I'm worried

01:01:15.980 that the contradictions

01:01:16.900 are too obvious,

01:01:18.020 the lies are too transparent,

01:01:19.640 it's,

01:01:19.940 this is too insulting,

01:01:21.500 you can't,

01:01:22.100 I can't even deal with it.

01:01:23.340 I feel like I'm

01:01:23.920 the least radical person

01:01:24.840 I know.

01:01:25.300 I just,

01:01:25.900 I'm happy to not talk

01:01:26.940 about certain subjects

01:01:27.700 just so we can all get along.

01:01:28.880 I'm a wasp in the end.

01:01:30.080 I don't want conflict, okay?

01:01:31.740 I know everyone thinks

01:01:32.300 I'm like,

01:01:32.720 I don't hate conflict actually,

01:01:34.160 but they're forcing this

01:01:36.100 on all of us

01:01:37.080 and I feel like

01:01:37.980 the system is breaking

01:01:38.940 as a result.

01:01:40.020 Yeah.

01:01:40.280 Do you feel that?

01:01:41.120 I do.

01:01:41.660 And the reason,

01:01:42.780 I mean,

01:01:43.060 it's,

01:01:43.200 I don't think Marx

01:01:44.560 actually said it,

01:01:45.320 but that,

01:01:45.600 you know,

01:01:45.780 in accelerationism,

01:01:46.920 it's about heightening

01:01:47.580 the contradictions.

01:01:48.280 It's a Marxian theory

01:01:49.780 and in a way,

01:01:50.600 like I do think

01:01:51.280 that that's what

01:01:51.920 they're doing

01:01:52.380 to all of us

01:01:53.080 is they're forcing

01:01:53.760 people who are sympathetic,

01:01:55.820 who want to see

01:01:56.380 our country first,

01:01:57.160 who reject a lot

01:01:58.700 of the premises

01:01:59.260 of the left,

01:02:00.480 spent a decade

01:02:01.500 of our lives,

01:02:02.580 in my case,

01:02:03.300 you've spent multiple

01:02:04.080 decades of your life

01:02:04.980 fighting against

01:02:06.220 many of these forces,

01:02:07.280 which we found repulsive,

01:02:08.460 which we blame

01:02:09.160 for the destruction

01:02:10.200 of our country

01:02:11.200 and then watching that

01:02:12.680 get hijacked

01:02:13.760 and again,

01:02:14.940 maybe I'm the fool.

01:02:16.460 There was plenty

01:02:17.380 of evidence

01:02:17.800 it could go this way.

01:02:18.940 I didn't think it would.

01:02:20.060 I didn't think

01:02:20.620 in particular

01:02:21.020 it would go this far,

01:02:22.560 but it's one of those

01:02:24.040 where the breaking

01:02:25.180 is happening

01:02:25.860 at a voter level

01:02:26.960 and in particular

01:02:27.760 in the platform

01:02:28.700 that you and I

01:02:29.240 are speaking right now.

01:02:30.640 I mean,

01:02:30.860 as you know,

01:02:31.900 I mean,

01:02:32.260 I began my career

01:02:33.260 by just going on Fox News.

01:02:34.720 It's how I got trained

01:02:35.380 in television.

01:02:36.040 Obviously,

01:02:36.480 you started

01:02:36.840 and you've been

01:02:37.660 on all these platforms.

01:02:38.920 We could not even

01:02:39.480 have this conversation.

01:02:41.120 I would say 10 years ago.

01:02:42.720 I don't think

01:02:43.380 that the distribution

01:02:44.120 and the audience

01:02:45.700 and just the entire network

01:02:48.060 that enables

01:02:48.740 this possibility

01:02:49.560 was there,

01:02:50.880 but it's been felt

01:02:51.940 at a deep level

01:02:53.260 in the way

01:02:53.960 that Oliver Stone's

01:02:54.940 JFK film

01:02:55.720 released something

01:02:57.180 in America

01:02:58.020 in 1991.

01:02:59.660 That's right.

01:03:00.020 It's always been

01:03:00.720 inside of us,

01:03:01.580 but now we have

01:03:02.460 the voice.

01:03:03.100 We have the words,

01:03:04.320 but next is the tools

01:03:05.780 and a lot of people

01:03:06.720 thought we had

01:03:07.140 that tools

01:03:07.520 with this administration.

01:03:08.060 Can you just pause

01:03:08.620 right now?

01:03:09.520 So I should just say

01:03:10.780 you alluded to it.

01:03:12.180 You worked for me,

01:03:13.600 not directly,

01:03:14.560 but for a company

01:03:15.260 that I helped start

01:03:18.060 and then at like

01:03:20.500 a really young age,

01:03:21.680 you decided to,

01:03:22.520 you were one

01:03:23.000 of the very first people

01:03:23.740 I knew personally

01:03:24.340 and decided to punch out

01:03:25.220 and go independent

01:03:26.220 because you had this

01:03:28.880 really clear

01:03:30.020 and it turned out

01:03:30.520 correct view

01:03:31.740 that the two-party system,

01:03:34.080 while there are differences

01:03:34.720 between the parties,

01:03:35.540 but fundamentally

01:03:36.120 they were aligned

01:03:36.840 on the big issues

01:03:37.720 and that a lot of voters

01:03:39.520 didn't agree

01:03:40.640 with their position

01:03:41.380 on the big issues,

01:03:42.180 mostly the economy

01:03:42.920 and war.

01:03:44.060 And you kind of moved out

01:03:45.780 into this independent

01:03:47.440 media world

01:03:48.260 at what age?

01:03:49.580 I was 28,

01:03:50.900 I guess.

01:03:51.680 That's crazy.

01:03:52.120 28 years old.

01:03:52.680 So if you don't mind

01:03:54.080 if it's not too embarrassing

01:03:54.960 because you told me

01:03:55.540 that I asked you

01:03:55.940 a bunch of very specific

01:03:57.200 questions about it

01:03:57.780 last night

01:03:58.140 because I'm in that business

01:03:58.820 and I'm interested.

01:04:00.840 What,

01:04:01.660 like how

01:04:02.320 you leave

01:04:04.500 the Daily Caller,

01:04:05.340 you go on Fox a lot,

01:04:06.640 you're like a young

01:04:07.460 pundit or whatever.

01:04:09.000 So embarrassing.

01:04:09.960 I did it too.

01:04:10.960 I know,

01:04:11.300 it's so embarrassing.

01:04:13.200 And then you decided

01:04:14.100 to go independent.

01:04:14.700 What happened?

01:04:15.420 Can you give us

01:04:16.460 that brief story

01:04:17.040 because I think it says

01:04:17.920 a lot about the moment.

01:04:18.600 Well,

01:04:18.900 I owe a lot

01:04:19.660 to the organization

01:04:20.360 you started

01:04:21.020 and to Jeffrey Ingersoll,

01:04:23.040 to Vince,

01:04:23.660 to Neil Patel

01:04:24.360 and all of these guys.

01:04:25.480 And the reason why

01:04:26.480 is they put me

01:04:27.540 in the position

01:04:28.020 that made me

01:04:28.460 have this realization

01:04:29.360 and what it was

01:04:30.180 is being a White House

01:04:30.860 correspondent.

01:04:31.420 And what I discovered

01:04:32.300 as being a White House

01:04:33.520 correspondent,

01:04:34.260 I mean,

01:04:34.480 I don't want to

01:04:34.840 toot my own horn.

01:04:35.360 I think I was good at it.

01:04:36.280 I interviewed Trump

01:04:36.900 four times in two years.

01:04:38.020 I asked Sarah,

01:04:39.200 you know,

01:04:39.380 multiple questions

01:04:40.100 for the record,

01:04:41.260 multiple different

01:04:42.200 foreign leaders,

01:04:43.080 you know,

01:04:43.240 got stories,

01:04:44.020 scoops,

01:04:44.700 et cetera.

01:04:45.180 But what I came

01:04:45.720 to understand

01:04:46.320 in the White House

01:04:46.820 briefing room

01:04:48.600 for people who don't understand

01:04:49.640 in the front row

01:04:50.720 is all the networks,

01:04:51.780 the major networks

01:04:52.440 run by the White House

01:04:53.420 Correspondents Association,

01:04:54.500 which is a cartel,

01:04:55.460 a non-governmental cartel,

01:04:56.900 which runs the entire,

01:04:58.380 I can get into that later

01:04:59.460 if we would like.

01:05:00.340 But I would watch

01:05:01.360 every single person

01:05:02.540 from the network

01:05:03.160 ask some version

01:05:04.080 of the same question,

01:05:04.980 which was about

01:05:05.420 Robert Mueller at the time.

01:05:06.740 And I said,

01:05:07.400 no one gives a shit

01:05:08.080 about Robert Mueller.

01:05:09.000 And I would always

01:05:09.660 ask a question

01:05:10.320 not about that.

01:05:11.660 What I came to understand

01:05:12.680 was that they were actually

01:05:13.560 all performing for themselves.

01:05:14.920 And what I really came

01:05:16.200 to understand eventually

01:05:17.120 was that the entire

01:05:18.220 mainstream media

01:05:18.960 is about performing

01:05:19.760 for each other

01:05:20.420 for social

01:05:21.260 and for career purposes.

01:05:22.760 But even more broadly

01:05:23.660 is that the mainstream media

01:05:25.200 is a trade publication

01:05:26.600 and it's a trade publication

01:05:27.760 for people in Washington

01:05:29.140 and for people in power.

01:05:30.580 There is a boomer

01:05:31.260 legacy element to this,

01:05:32.480 which obviously exists.

01:05:33.960 But broadly,

01:05:34.880 it's not actually

01:05:35.920 about informing the people.

01:05:37.360 In fact,

01:05:38.020 you know,

01:05:38.200 in terms of the journalism

01:05:38.900 that I did,

01:05:39.460 I tried to always ask questions

01:05:40.880 that I thought were relevant

01:05:41.680 to the actual voters,

01:05:42.920 but I didn't realize

01:05:44.200 how counter that was

01:05:45.800 to the entire philosophy

01:05:46.780 of a lot of the people

01:05:48.000 who actually work

01:05:48.780 and cover the media

01:05:50.080 professionally.

01:05:51.060 Then I came to see

01:05:51.800 that Fox, CNN, MSNBC

01:05:53.140 are all vital parts

01:05:54.540 of this machine.

01:05:55.340 It's all part of a machine

01:05:56.340 where Washington

01:05:57.440 as the imperial capital

01:05:58.660 speaks to each other.

01:06:00.200 They're conduits

01:06:00.900 for information

01:06:01.560 which is relevant

01:06:02.260 only to an individual node

01:06:03.860 within the nexus.

01:06:05.040 The voter did not matter

01:06:06.320 in that equation.

01:06:07.460 So what I decided to do

01:06:08.980 is I had this opportunity

01:06:10.140 to go to The Hill,

01:06:11.360 currently TheHill.com,

01:06:12.380 and co-host the show

01:06:13.440 with currently my co-host,

01:06:14.580 Crystal Ball.

01:06:15.120 And what her and I

01:06:16.540 really bonded over,

01:06:17.840 remember the first segment

01:06:18.740 we really bonded over

01:06:19.480 was just about

01:06:20.000 the opioid crisis.

01:06:21.280 And I was like,

01:06:21.880 I think that this is

01:06:22.640 one of the most

01:06:23.020 under-addressed issues

01:06:23.840 in America.

01:06:24.760 I think it's lip service

01:06:25.660 at the White House

01:06:26.740 and others.

01:06:27.200 Nobody's really doing

01:06:27.960 anything about it.

01:06:28.960 Deaths of despair.

01:06:30.060 Our life expectancy

01:06:30.900 at that time

01:06:31.440 was going down.

01:06:32.740 And so we just,

01:06:33.480 that was kind of

01:06:34.800 the evolution,

01:06:35.540 like you said,

01:06:36.360 of realizing that

01:06:37.480 where the two parties agree

01:06:38.960 and the media

01:06:39.640 in particular focuses on

01:06:41.060 is really the exact opposite

01:06:42.580 of where most people are.

01:06:43.840 If you spend a lot

01:06:44.820 of your time

01:06:45.340 with people

01:06:45.740 who are not political,

01:06:46.840 they don't care

01:06:47.380 about Robert Mueller,

01:06:48.480 they don't particularly care

01:06:49.640 about most of the scandals

01:06:50.720 in Washington of the day.

01:06:52.260 They're like,

01:06:52.520 hey, my mortgage

01:06:53.360 is really expensive.

01:06:54.580 My kid's college really,

01:06:56.780 if I was lucky enough

01:06:57.640 to save for 529,

01:06:59.000 the inflation has gotten

01:06:59.940 so out of control,

01:07:00.640 I can't do that.

01:07:01.560 I'm really worried

01:07:02.440 about the loan

01:07:03.300 that my child is taking out.

01:07:05.040 One of my friend's kids

01:07:06.280 recently died

01:07:07.020 of a drug overdose.

01:07:08.200 These are the things

01:07:08.980 that animate

01:07:09.780 the kitchen table

01:07:11.200 and about the concern

01:07:12.180 and the feeling

01:07:12.680 that our country

01:07:13.240 is being taken away from me,

01:07:14.680 the southern border.

01:07:15.920 And it's not just a feeling

01:07:17.240 of this uncontrolled chaos

01:07:18.620 at the border.

01:07:19.380 There's a feeling

01:07:20.100 of the collapse

01:07:21.020 of social cohesion

01:07:22.080 in our country.

01:07:23.240 All of us can feel it.

01:07:24.620 If you go to another country

01:07:25.800 like Switzerland or Japan

01:07:27.160 with controlled immigration,

01:07:28.480 you will realize

01:07:29.300 how radical it is actually.

01:07:31.000 And those are both

01:07:31.820 very radicalizing experiences

01:07:33.120 for me.

01:07:33.760 But I just returned

01:07:34.500 to the point of

01:07:35.120 why I wanted

01:07:36.240 to go independent fundamentally

01:07:37.480 is I wanted to cover

01:07:38.640 the news in a way

01:07:40.080 that I felt

01:07:40.560 was actually applicable

01:07:41.580 to the lives

01:07:42.940 of everyday people.

01:07:44.360 And I noticed

01:07:45.180 a burgeoning movement

01:07:46.140 on YouTube

01:07:46.660 and in podcasts

01:07:47.640 where this distribution platform

01:07:49.620 basically allowed me

01:07:50.840 to talk as long

01:07:51.840 as I want to

01:07:52.380 in the way

01:07:52.660 that I am with you.

01:07:53.980 And I mean,

01:07:54.420 the most frustrating

01:07:55.020 moments in my career,

01:07:57.220 24 years old,

01:07:58.200 young,

01:07:58.720 embarrassing pundit

01:07:59.480 is being invited

01:08:00.120 on Fox News

01:08:00.980 at 11.55 p.m.

01:08:02.480 for a three-person

01:08:03.600 conversation

01:08:04.380 about nationalism.

01:08:05.860 And I got to speak

01:08:06.920 for maybe 45 seconds.

01:08:08.900 I can't articulate

01:08:10.020 all my thoughts

01:08:10.600 on this subject

01:08:11.120 and they're actually

01:08:11.560 really important.

01:08:12.660 And, you know,

01:08:13.320 that's where

01:08:13.820 the fugazi element

01:08:15.160 of all of that,

01:08:16.120 it became too much

01:08:17.080 and I just felt

01:08:17.700 so much more free.

01:08:19.320 And by the way,

01:08:19.820 as you know,

01:08:20.440 at that time,

01:08:21.580 everybody told me

01:08:22.100 not to do it.

01:08:22.660 They're like,

01:08:22.900 what are you doing?

01:08:23.840 You've got your career set.

01:08:24.900 You're a White House correspondent.

01:08:26.460 You can go work

01:08:27.120 at any of these other companies.

01:08:28.320 You know,

01:08:28.540 a lot of other companies

01:08:29.700 were trying to recruit me

01:08:30.860 at that time.

01:08:31.300 They said,

01:08:31.480 you're an idiot

01:08:32.020 for going to this

01:08:32.820 unproven concept.

01:08:34.160 You don't know

01:08:34.640 if it's going to work.

01:08:35.860 And it was,

01:08:36.440 I mean,

01:08:36.620 the greatest bet,

01:08:37.320 I guess,

01:08:37.620 of my life

01:08:38.240 because we took

01:08:39.380 this small channel,

01:08:40.560 Crystal and I,

01:08:41.420 of some 6,000.

01:08:42.500 I think we had

01:08:42.820 100,000 subscribers

01:08:43.840 in three months

01:08:45.040 and we had an audience

01:08:46.580 of, you know,

01:08:47.580 millions basically

01:08:48.620 by the time we'd left

01:08:50.100 less than two years later.

01:08:51.440 But that was the confidence

01:08:52.540 that I had

01:08:53.140 to go independent

01:08:54.140 was I knew

01:08:54.800 that the knowledge

01:08:55.480 was there.

01:08:55.740 If it was working.

01:08:56.620 Well, the knowledge,

01:08:57.440 basically,

01:08:57.980 it became irreconcilable

01:08:59.620 to be attached

01:09:00.300 to a mainstream media organization.

01:09:01.900 And I've talked

01:09:02.500 about this publicly,

01:09:03.140 but the owners

01:09:04.360 and the people

01:09:05.320 who worked there,

01:09:06.360 we were starting

01:09:07.100 to become so popular

01:09:08.120 that our comments

01:09:08.900 were causing problems

01:09:09.720 in Washington

01:09:10.300 is that people

01:09:11.100 were getting upset

01:09:12.440 at the things

01:09:13.040 we would say,

01:09:13.800 advertisers

01:09:14.360 or members of Congress.

01:09:15.420 They would call our bosses

01:09:16.720 and pressure began

01:09:17.860 to come down

01:09:18.620 to kind of change

01:09:19.720 the way that we would talk

01:09:20.720 about certain subjects.

01:09:22.160 This is,

01:09:22.860 by the way,

01:09:23.160 happens in every

01:09:23.960 mainstream media corporation.

01:09:25.740 It's part of the reason

01:09:26.640 that being,

01:09:28.620 the way we set up

01:09:29.540 our business

01:09:29.980 is so the vast majority

01:09:30.880 of our revenue

01:09:31.460 comes from subscriptions.

01:09:33.040 And it's because

01:09:33.880 we don't want to be

01:09:35.100 accountable to any advertiser

01:09:36.700 or anybody else.

01:09:37.800 We don't even read ads

01:09:38.600 on our platform

01:09:39.500 specifically for that reason.

01:09:41.300 And it's all to insulate

01:09:43.100 my ability

01:09:44.100 to be able to come here

01:09:45.280 and talk the way

01:09:45.980 that I do about a subject

01:09:46.840 I feel passionately about.

01:09:48.160 Let's say Israel

01:09:48.860 and free speech,

01:09:49.480 which I know already,

01:09:50.980 every word

01:09:51.820 that I'm saying here

01:09:52.460 is going to be dissected,

01:09:53.740 is going to be used

01:09:54.780 as an attack vector.

01:09:56.100 And in the past,

01:09:57.100 that could have cost me

01:09:58.020 my career.

01:09:59.040 And at the end of the day,

01:09:59.760 that's why I decided to leave,

01:10:01.100 is to be able

01:10:01.560 to speak the truth.

01:10:02.260 That's why Crystal,

01:10:03.060 as well,

01:10:03.680 was the level of control.

01:10:05.440 Inevitably,

01:10:05.920 even with the freest hand possible,

01:10:07.900 while attached to these behemoths,

01:10:10.200 mainstream media,

01:10:11.280 it's irreconcilable.

01:10:12.620 If you want to tell the truth,

01:10:13.940 you cannot be attached

01:10:15.240 to any organization,

01:10:16.420 which depends on insider access

01:10:18.520 and on insider money.

01:10:20.460 You have to separate yourself

01:10:22.040 from that entity.

01:10:23.100 Well, yes,

01:10:24.100 that has been the experience

01:10:25.040 of my life.

01:10:26.120 What were the red lines?

01:10:27.040 Did you find?

01:10:27.340 So you're young

01:10:28.220 and you're,

01:10:29.620 as you're hosting this show

01:10:32.180 on a kind of brand new medium,

01:10:34.380 you know,

01:10:34.720 this weird setup

01:10:35.560 where you're working

01:10:36.060 for The Hill,

01:10:36.860 but you're doing

01:10:37.960 an independent show,

01:10:39.620 you're learning

01:10:40.860 what you're not allowed to say.

01:10:42.780 Yeah.

01:10:43.120 Can't criticize

01:10:43.880 the age of members of Congress.

01:10:46.420 How did that work out,

01:10:47.260 by the way?

01:10:48.040 Conversations around age.

01:10:49.340 Can't criticize TikTok,

01:10:51.500 the Chinese government.

01:10:52.360 That was a big one.

01:10:53.440 Can't criticize

01:10:54.320 or talk openly about Israel.

01:10:56.880 Can't criticize.

01:10:58.680 My favorite was CNBC,

01:11:00.520 Jim Cramer.

01:11:01.880 Can't criticize Jim Cramer?

01:11:03.300 Can't criticize,

01:11:03.700 which is hilarious.

01:11:04.860 If you go on Twitter,

01:11:05.600 there's an entire

01:11:06.380 inverse Cramer index.

01:11:09.040 Yeah, people get rich

01:11:09.840 betting against Jim.

01:11:10.960 People get very rich.

01:11:11.540 Jim Cramer is so stupid

01:11:12.820 that people get rich

01:11:14.220 taking the opposite advice.

01:11:15.400 I still laugh about that one.

01:11:16.960 What happened?

01:11:18.220 I said he was an idiot.

01:11:19.800 And, you know,

01:11:20.180 we heard a little bit

01:11:21.360 about that later.

01:11:23.040 Your boss is like,

01:11:23.960 no.

01:11:24.180 No, we can't say

01:11:25.080 things like that,

01:11:25.840 you know.

01:11:26.860 Jim Cramer's very smart.

01:11:28.960 He went to Harvard.

01:11:30.180 Pharma.

01:11:30.640 I forgot pharma.

01:11:31.400 We talked a lot

01:11:31.840 about big pharma.

01:11:32.500 That's, you know,

01:11:33.020 that's one.

01:11:33.580 I mean, look,

01:11:34.280 take a look at the ads.

01:11:35.520 Really, but it wasn't that.

01:11:37.880 Because I didn't actually

01:11:38.760 change anything I said,

01:11:40.160 but I can't sit here

01:11:41.380 and not lie to this audience

01:11:43.280 and say that it was never,

01:11:44.620 it was always in the back

01:11:45.320 of my head.

01:11:45.640 Oh, yeah.

01:11:46.020 Oh, for sure.

01:11:46.680 It's always in your head.

01:11:47.060 You don't even realize

01:11:47.860 how present it is

01:11:49.420 in your head

01:11:49.820 until it's not there.

01:11:50.800 Look, I mean,

01:11:51.360 I was young, you know,

01:11:52.280 I need a career.

01:11:52.900 I have to eat, you know,

01:11:53.740 I have a salary.

01:11:54.440 These are realities

01:11:55.400 that I'm just laying out

01:11:56.520 for people.

01:11:56.960 Yes.

01:11:57.180 And as, you know,

01:11:58.080 as free and as ethical

01:11:59.960 as I try to uphold myself

01:12:01.680 in a crystal as well,

01:12:02.820 we couldn't,

01:12:03.500 we just could not stay

01:12:05.000 in that environment.

01:12:06.060 And that's why

01:12:06.560 we decided to go.

01:12:07.320 So then you decide to go

01:12:08.680 and you basically take

01:12:09.580 a version of the same show,

01:12:11.100 totally independent

01:12:12.460 on the internet,

01:12:13.660 relying on subscriptions,

01:12:15.680 mostly subscriptions

01:12:16.700 rather than advertising

01:12:17.840 for the reasons

01:12:18.820 you just so well described.

01:12:21.420 What happens?

01:12:22.420 Yeah, I mean,

01:12:22.860 it's wildly exceeds

01:12:24.160 our expectations

01:12:24.900 on the very first day

01:12:25.940 of launch,

01:12:26.680 both enabled-

01:12:27.560 On the first day?

01:12:28.100 The first day of launch,

01:12:29.160 I mean,

01:12:29.520 they basically enabled us

01:12:30.880 to run the company

01:12:31.580 for a year,

01:12:32.320 which was insane.

01:12:33.620 I mean, it's not-

01:12:34.080 In other words,

01:12:34.420 you made enough

01:12:35.100 on your very first day

01:12:36.580 to run it debt-free

01:12:37.820 for a year.

01:12:38.080 To run the company.

01:12:39.080 How many investors

01:12:39.720 did you have?

01:12:40.300 We had zero investors.

01:12:41.500 The only investors,

01:12:42.600 quote unquote,

01:12:43.100 were my credit card account

01:12:44.420 and her credit card account.

01:12:45.580 So we took,

01:12:46.380 it was a gamble entirely

01:12:47.420 of our own weekend.

01:12:47.880 If you don't mind me asking,

01:12:48.620 what did it cost to launch it?

01:12:49.740 I believe,

01:12:50.760 I don't know,

01:12:52.080 probably like $50,000

01:12:52.980 or $60,000

01:12:53.800 if I had to guess,

01:12:55.160 but that was it.

01:12:56.760 The whole enterprise.

01:12:57.900 The whole enterprise.

01:12:58.300 Just to launch,

01:12:59.080 to launch,

01:12:59.460 not to run.

01:13:00.220 In one day,

01:13:01.360 you got a full year's

01:13:02.740 operating revenue.

01:13:03.260 What we were able to do

01:13:04.420 and actually enough

01:13:05.980 so that we were

01:13:06.760 even also able

01:13:07.920 to hire,

01:13:08.820 like at the time

01:13:09.340 we needed a sound person.

01:13:10.660 These are all important things.

01:13:11.880 Lighting,

01:13:12.620 an entire technical team,

01:13:14.640 the ability to make sure

01:13:15.600 that we're distributing faster.

01:13:18.120 You know,

01:13:18.340 I was,

01:13:18.760 these are all more boring things

01:13:20.280 for the audience,

01:13:20.920 but things that people

01:13:22.180 may not realize.

01:13:22.780 Your story describes

01:13:25.080 how low the barrier

01:13:25.900 to entry is.

01:13:26.760 Yes, yes.

01:13:27.180 If you know what you want to say,

01:13:28.540 if you have a point of view,

01:13:29.600 if you're committed

01:13:30.340 to honesty

01:13:31.020 and independence,

01:13:32.720 you can actually do it.

01:13:33.980 You can do it.

01:13:34.520 That's why it's so thrilling.

01:13:35.580 That is why it's thrilling.

01:13:36.420 I mean,

01:13:36.540 I was taking a look

01:13:37.500 at your setup this morning

01:13:38.440 and I was talking

01:13:38.920 to some of your tech guys

01:13:39.740 and I said,

01:13:40.360 isn't it amazing

01:13:41.080 that we couldn't even

01:13:41.640 do this 10 years ago?

01:13:42.880 And I'm looking

01:13:43.360 at your equipment.

01:13:44.120 I have much

01:13:44.620 of the same equipment.

01:13:45.920 I mean,

01:13:46.240 look,

01:13:46.540 it's decent money,

01:13:47.700 but it's not a lot of money,

01:13:48.600 especially compared to,

01:13:50.960 I mean,

01:13:51.300 you and I have seen those,

01:13:52.440 the Fox News New York

01:13:53.480 control room.

01:13:54.380 I mean,

01:13:54.520 it's like being

01:13:54.940 in the International Space Station.

01:13:56.380 It's crazy.

01:13:56.820 Oh,

01:13:56.960 when they fired me,

01:13:57.760 they came and sent

01:13:58.620 their guys up here

01:13:59.340 because I did my show

01:14:00.340 from here for years

01:14:01.140 and they ripped out

01:14:02.340 all their equipment,

01:14:02.980 which is fine.

01:14:03.420 It was their equipment.

01:14:04.060 Yeah, sure.

01:14:04.540 And so we're like,

01:14:05.220 and we have a full studio

01:14:06.200 that, you know,

01:14:07.500 we built with their money.

01:14:10.300 You know,

01:14:10.460 my guys built it,

01:14:11.160 but whatever.

01:14:11.840 And they put all their tech

01:14:13.020 in there

01:14:13.400 and then they took it all away.

01:14:14.780 I wasn't mad,

01:14:15.560 but I was like,

01:14:16.100 okay,

01:14:16.360 we have to,

01:14:16.760 I have to pay for this now

01:14:17.480 out of my pocket

01:14:18.140 because I'm unemployed

01:14:19.060 and we just moved

01:14:20.500 to our dining room table

01:14:21.460 where we're literally

01:14:22.280 our family dining room table

01:14:23.220 we're sitting now

01:14:23.860 and it didn't cost that much.

01:14:27.180 So I think that's the only,

01:14:28.500 I never talk about money

01:14:29.240 or business

01:14:30.180 or because I'm not an expert

01:14:31.180 in either one,

01:14:31.820 but I just think it's so exciting

01:14:33.680 to know that you can do that.

01:14:35.340 And I hope that's inspiring

01:14:36.920 to people who are out there.

01:14:38.380 I think really

01:14:39.760 what it comes down to

01:14:40.680 is not only audience,

01:14:41.860 but the ability

01:14:42.780 to say what you actually think.

01:14:45.040 Yes.

01:14:45.140 And what I have found

01:14:46.920 is that some of the most

01:14:48.240 miserable people

01:14:48.920 in all of media

01:14:49.940 are the people

01:14:50.580 who work in these corporations

01:14:51.740 because they know,

01:14:53.240 they know and want to say

01:14:54.580 many of the things

01:14:55.120 you and I are saying.

01:14:55.920 And they'll tell us privately,

01:14:57.040 of course,

01:14:57.580 but they'll never say it.

01:14:59.180 And I don't really know

01:15:00.380 how much money that's worth,

01:15:01.820 but beyond that,

01:15:03.200 I don't really know how

01:15:03.880 as a human being,

01:15:04.740 you know,

01:15:04.880 you can just continue

01:15:05.500 to get up and everything.

01:15:06.120 Well, I agree.

01:15:06.860 And I empathize

01:15:07.640 because I was a TV anchor

01:15:08.660 for most of my life.

01:15:09.760 I empathize with the guys

01:15:11.200 who like get the guest readout.

01:15:12.860 You know,

01:15:12.960 they sit down before the show

01:15:13.820 who we're interviewing today

01:15:14.740 and there's Mark Levin on there

01:15:15.820 and like nobody likes Mark Levin

01:15:17.640 and he's horrible television.

01:15:19.140 He's screechy

01:15:19.720 and what he's saying

01:15:20.580 is like deranged.

01:15:21.640 And even if you sort of agree

01:15:23.120 with Mark Levin's point of view,

01:15:24.380 you can't have Mark Levin on TV.

01:15:25.980 Yeah.

01:15:26.200 It's just an insult to the audience

01:15:27.680 and it's insult to the anchor

01:15:28.820 and having to see Mark Levin

01:15:30.720 and turning off camera

01:15:31.880 and being like,

01:15:32.400 this fucking guy again?

01:15:33.960 Like, why are we doing this?

01:15:35.160 And they're going to be like,

01:15:35.800 oh, the second floor

01:15:36.600 told us to do it.

01:15:37.820 Oh!

01:15:38.300 Even if you're totally on board

01:15:41.600 with, you know,

01:15:42.220 killing every Muslim

01:15:43.040 or whatever their program is,

01:15:45.380 that still has got to drive you crazy.

01:15:47.260 It's like an assault

01:15:47.920 on your self-respect

01:15:48.620 every single time.

01:15:49.860 But what I found,

01:15:50.720 and I'm sure you find the same,

01:15:51.820 is that what I saw for them

01:15:53.920 is they started to believe

01:15:55.400 that proximity to power

01:15:57.000 is power itself.

01:15:58.140 And what I found

01:15:59.120 really gross about that

01:16:00.280 is they start to fetishize

01:16:01.620 like the most ridiculous things

01:16:03.720 as in who gets

01:16:05.100 the first rope line

01:16:06.740 when you get to ask Trump a question.

01:16:08.020 I mean,

01:16:08.320 the amount of actual

01:16:09.180 physical fighting

01:16:09.980 that happens in that scrum,

01:16:11.240 people would genuinely not believe.

01:16:13.160 Really?

01:16:13.640 Oh, yeah.

01:16:14.200 I got hit in the head once, actually,

01:16:17.060 with an elbow from a photographer

01:16:18.520 for taking his spot,

01:16:20.000 even though there's no unassigned spots.

01:16:21.640 Again,

01:16:22.220 these are minutiae,

01:16:23.100 but what I'm saying is

01:16:23.940 it's a level of psychosis

01:16:25.820 that takes over

01:16:26.820 because everything-

01:16:27.900 In the White House press corps.

01:16:28.500 In the White House press corps.

01:16:29.600 Everything is about

01:16:30.560 access to the president,

01:16:32.080 and so everybody is jockeying

01:16:33.580 in a zero-sum environment

01:16:35.220 where everyone is trying

01:16:36.520 to get the interview

01:16:37.260 or going to schmooze

01:16:38.360 this person or that person,

01:16:39.980 but the problem with that

01:16:41.340 is they turn from practitioner

01:16:42.900 to starting to believe

01:16:44.100 that they themselves

01:16:44.980 are important

01:16:45.740 and this vital conduit

01:16:47.080 of information,

01:16:48.140 and what you turn into

01:16:49.280 is basically an apparatchik

01:16:51.040 of the state environment

01:16:52.300 that I'm talking about,

01:16:53.700 and so for many

01:16:54.640 of the anchors and others,

01:16:55.680 they live for

01:16:56.660 the black tie war

01:16:57.860 at White House

01:16:58.260 correspondence dinner

01:16:59.180 or getting invited

01:17:00.240 to a cocktail party

01:17:01.340 or a book party.

01:17:01.820 I mean, this is the currency

01:17:02.780 of Washington

01:17:03.440 and of New York.

01:17:04.860 It has been for decades,

01:17:06.040 but you start to live,

01:17:08.220 you know,

01:17:08.360 you start to fill

01:17:08.920 that emptiness inside of you

01:17:10.180 with the knowledge

01:17:10.960 that you get to FaceTime

01:17:12.080 with a sub-cabinet appointee

01:17:14.200 at a dinner,

01:17:15.300 and you can use

01:17:16.260 that information

01:17:17.080 because Senator Schumer

01:17:18.880 knows your name.

01:17:19.920 These are all

01:17:20.720 very important things,

01:17:22.220 you know,

01:17:22.460 for the social capital,

01:17:23.620 and this is pathetic.

01:17:24.680 I want people to know

01:17:25.540 this is pathetic,

01:17:26.520 and I watch people

01:17:27.960 live their entire lives

01:17:29.240 on Capitol Hill

01:17:30.600 and the White House Press Corps

01:17:31.640 in television and other

01:17:33.020 for all of these,

01:17:34.660 like, imperial-level events

01:17:37.020 that are put on

01:17:37.940 to just make them feel special

01:17:39.920 and continue on

01:17:40.960 in the machine,

01:17:41.720 and I actually didn't realize

01:17:43.160 how radical it was

01:17:44.040 for people like you

01:17:44.680 or people like me

01:17:45.200 to say,

01:17:45.460 I actually don't care

01:17:46.380 about that at all.

01:17:47.120 I don't care if I ever

01:17:48.200 go to another cocktail party

01:17:49.380 or another black tie dinner

01:17:51.480 or any of these things

01:17:52.940 simply to be in the presence

01:17:54.380 of people

01:17:54.760 who are actually powerful.

01:17:56.060 I would rather

01:17:56.620 just critique them

01:17:57.440 and say what I actually think,

01:17:58.760 and the irony,

01:17:59.400 of course,

01:17:59.940 is as you have found out,

01:18:02.000 when you say

01:18:02.700 what you actually think

01:18:03.660 and you are critical of them

01:18:05.200 in an honest way,

01:18:06.400 they take you

01:18:07.180 so much more seriously.

01:18:09.240 They laugh at you

01:18:10.520 when you're one

01:18:11.140 of those people

01:18:11.700 who cares about

01:18:12.660 cocktail parties

01:18:13.480 or any of that.

01:18:14.340 You're one of the most

01:18:14.820 useful cogs

01:18:15.660 in the machine.

01:18:16.680 It's the people

01:18:16.980 they can't control

01:18:17.680 or the people

01:18:18.120 who they call

01:18:18.660 because they're

01:18:19.340 the inconvenient voices.

01:18:20.580 So that was,

01:18:21.080 it's interesting you said

01:18:21.660 that because that was

01:18:21.920 my next question.

01:18:22.760 So the whole process,

01:18:24.380 of covering the White House,

01:18:26.000 being in the White House

01:18:26.540 press corps,

01:18:26.980 going to the briefings

01:18:27.680 and the gaggle

01:18:28.160 and all that,

01:18:29.020 going to the parties,

01:18:30.560 are you actually

01:18:31.060 getting information?

01:18:32.040 No, I've never gotten

01:18:33.220 more information

01:18:33.760 than what I do right now.

01:18:34.760 I actually,

01:18:35.260 during the 12-day war,

01:18:36.900 I literally never got

01:18:38.420 more information

01:18:39.380 from inside

01:18:40.580 of the entire apparatus

01:18:41.720 than I ever did

01:18:42.640 when I was covering

01:18:43.220 the White House.

01:18:44.040 And it was because

01:18:44.720 I was so critical

01:18:45.740 of the Trump administration,

01:18:47.320 of the direction

01:18:47.900 that they were taking.

01:18:48.660 And many of the people

01:18:50.040 who I spoke to

01:18:50.920 for the record

01:18:51.840 actually were

01:18:52.920 almost none

01:18:54.200 who I knew personally.

01:18:55.580 Almost all

01:18:56.400 simply saw my commentary

01:18:57.920 and agreed with me

01:18:58.980 and wanted a conduit

01:19:00.060 for information

01:19:01.140 to be able

01:19:01.740 to get out of there.

01:19:03.120 And that was,

01:19:04.080 that's a great lesson,

01:19:04.940 by the way,

01:19:05.380 for any White-aspiring

01:19:06.560 journalists or others

01:19:07.440 who listen,

01:19:08.580 is you need,

01:19:09.260 they will take you

01:19:10.580 much more seriously

01:19:11.380 if you hit them

01:19:12.000 in the face.

01:19:12.660 And hitting them

01:19:13.260 in the face

01:19:13.700 makes them kind of shocked

01:19:14.780 because it's so counter

01:19:15.800 to the way

01:19:16.600 that the machine works.

01:19:17.920 When you work

01:19:18.320 in the machine,

01:19:18.880 they can call your editor,

01:19:19.820 they can call your boss,

01:19:20.780 they can call your advertiser,

01:19:22.140 they can put a significant

01:19:23.100 amount of pressure on you.

01:19:24.240 But when they can't control you,

01:19:25.420 they start to freak out.

01:19:26.380 And that is one

01:19:28.740 of the most useful lessons

01:19:29.940 of my life,

01:19:31.420 actually,

01:19:31.920 in terms of coverage

01:19:32.780 and in terms of journalism

01:19:34.100 and the ability

01:19:34.820 to speak out.

01:19:35.720 Speaking out

01:19:36.280 can get you,

01:19:37.220 is unfortunately

01:19:38.300 such a differentiator

01:19:40.020 from where

01:19:40.880 the entire

01:19:41.840 traditional system

01:19:43.320 really starts to work.

01:19:44.420 What's the downside?

01:19:44.980 Well, the downside

01:19:46.200 is a freezing out

01:19:48.040 of the entire

01:19:48.780 social movement

01:19:49.900 of professional Washington

01:19:51.060 is that

01:19:51.620 professional Washington

01:19:52.840 protects its own.

01:19:54.420 It effectively

01:19:55.100 is a jobs network

01:19:56.360 for each other

01:19:57.560 so that people

01:19:58.440 who are in and out

01:19:59.140 of government

01:19:59.600 always have reliable

01:20:00.600 sources of income.

01:20:01.900 Implicit within that

01:20:02.800 is that,

01:20:03.400 hey,

01:20:03.560 this is what we think

01:20:04.580 about Israel.

01:20:05.320 This is what we think

01:20:06.440 about X, Y,

01:20:07.420 taxes.

01:20:08.500 This is what we think

01:20:10.340 about the carried

01:20:10.860 interest loophole.

01:20:11.660 We don't talk about that.

01:20:13.140 The step-up basis.

01:20:14.080 This is what we think

01:20:15.380 about cutting

01:20:16.100 social security.

01:20:16.920 This is an accepted fact.

01:20:17.980 We need to accept this,

01:20:19.200 that it's acceptable

01:20:20.000 to kick elderly people

01:20:21.860 off social security

01:20:22.660 or Medicare

01:20:23.140 or food stamps

01:20:24.280 and we just take

01:20:25.060 this information

01:20:25.660 and in exchange

01:20:26.260 for that information

01:20:26.860 we get a job

01:20:27.740 for the rest of our lives.

01:20:28.720 If I hadn't gone independent

01:20:29.660 I could have easily

01:20:31.220 relied on working

01:20:32.060 in Washington

01:20:32.520 until the age of 65

01:20:33.780 within the machine.

01:20:35.100 That would have been

01:20:35.820 actually very doable

01:20:37.160 and this was the risk

01:20:39.720 actually,

01:20:40.240 saying what you

01:20:40.980 actually want to say.

01:20:42.140 That is the riskiest

01:20:43.000 thing you can do

01:20:43.680 within the system

01:20:44.580 and in exchange

01:20:45.340 you will no longer

01:20:46.680 get invited

01:20:47.180 to these dinners

01:20:48.240 or any of these

01:20:48.660 other things.

01:20:48.960 You have to be okay

01:20:49.460 with that.

01:20:50.040 You have to be okay

01:20:50.760 I think with something

01:20:51.880 that you have found

01:20:52.740 as well

01:20:52.980 by being denounced

01:20:53.740 by people

01:20:54.160 who you knew

01:20:54.720 personally

01:20:55.320 or people who

01:20:56.720 you would help

01:20:58.320 in their career.

01:20:59.800 People who you

01:21:00.620 in many ways

01:21:01.760 you're like

01:21:02.060 I would personally

01:21:03.260 never do that to you.

01:21:04.120 I can't really believe

01:21:04.780 that you're doing it to me

01:21:05.740 and the reason

01:21:06.580 you're doing it

01:21:07.420 is we all know

01:21:09.140 what it is

01:21:09.600 is you're being

01:21:10.040 controlled by a broader

01:21:11.100 and a bigger

01:21:12.020 either financial

01:21:13.140 or foreign lobby interest.

01:21:14.780 I've had this experience.

01:21:15.560 And this is the red line

01:21:16.360 for you?

01:21:16.720 Where you call people

01:21:17.620 and you're like

01:21:18.180 I can't believe

01:21:18.880 you said that about me

01:21:19.820 you know

01:21:20.300 calling me

01:21:21.100 a bigot or whatever

01:21:22.400 when you know

01:21:22.860 that I'm not

01:21:23.520 and

01:21:24.600 I don't even go on

01:21:27.940 I don't even go

01:21:28.620 on the internet anymore

01:21:29.340 so I have no idea

01:21:30.060 what people are saying

01:21:30.640 but you know

01:21:31.560 several years ago

01:21:32.260 when all this began

01:21:33.040 I remember

01:21:33.460 calling

01:21:34.760 a couple people

01:21:36.440 and you know

01:21:37.580 one person

01:21:38.180 I said

01:21:38.420 well let's have lunch

01:21:39.100 no.

01:21:39.840 Wow.

01:21:41.920 No.

01:21:42.640 Okay.

01:21:43.740 So did that

01:21:44.500 so when you went independent

01:21:45.540 you've been in D.C.

01:21:46.240 because you got there

01:21:46.860 for college

01:21:47.360 you've been there

01:21:47.700 for 10 years

01:21:48.300 you know a lot of people

01:21:49.300 got there at 18 right?

01:21:51.060 Yes 18 years old.

01:21:51.600 Started when independent

01:21:51.920 at 28.

01:21:53.060 So you know

01:21:53.980 a ton of people

01:21:54.660 you're a social person

01:21:55.740 I happen to know

01:21:56.920 so you are going

01:21:58.380 to tons of events

01:21:59.180 and you have tons of friends

01:22:00.240 and all of a sudden

01:22:01.760 you're going off

01:22:02.420 in a direction

01:22:03.040 you're not spewing

01:22:04.120 hate or bigotry

01:22:05.300 at all

01:22:05.880 but you are saying

01:22:07.020 things that other people

01:22:08.260 are not saying

01:22:08.820 how intensely

01:22:10.500 did people you know

01:22:11.720 try to bring you back

01:22:12.940 Yeah almost immediately

01:22:14.060 there were a lot of warnings

01:22:15.500 about hey

01:22:16.240 this is dangerous

01:22:17.140 or I mean

01:22:17.700 Oh really?

01:22:18.860 Well my close friends knew

01:22:20.100 that they supported me

01:22:21.380 but it was really like

01:22:22.700 the professional friends

01:22:23.900 people who you're broadly

01:22:24.700 acquainted with

01:22:25.280 are like what's he up to

01:22:26.480 you know what's his deal

01:22:27.520 what's happening here

01:22:28.860 and it's incredible

01:22:30.280 how rapid

01:22:31.980 that shrink can happen

01:22:33.280 in terms of

01:22:34.060 not being invited

01:22:35.100 to these things

01:22:35.900 anymore

01:22:36.580 or you know

01:22:37.800 just being as a social outcast

01:22:39.500 or your phone

01:22:40.280 stops ringing

01:22:40.860 to various different things

01:22:42.400 Did you feel that right away?

01:22:43.540 Almost

01:22:43.840 I wouldn't say immediately

01:22:45.320 but it did happen

01:22:46.200 like quite rapidly

01:22:47.060 a six month

01:22:48.120 maybe a one year period

01:22:49.100 Israel was actually

01:22:50.100 the final straw

01:22:50.820 in particular

01:22:51.660 after October 7th

01:22:53.420 that was almost

01:22:54.020 an immediate

01:22:54.620 cut off from the entire

01:22:56.000 professional network

01:22:56.960 Why?

01:22:57.520 What did you say?

01:22:58.480 Well I said

01:22:59.220 that I think

01:22:59.860 that the way

01:23:00.240 that Israel

01:23:00.600 was conducting

01:23:01.200 itself in Gaza

01:23:02.020 was not befitting

01:23:02.860 of a civilized

01:23:03.660 western nation

01:23:04.380 and that the United States

01:23:05.780 didn't have a compelling

01:23:06.500 interest in what was

01:23:07.240 going on there

01:23:07.900 and that we should

01:23:08.720 just focus on ourselves

01:23:09.760 I said all the same

01:23:10.840 things about Ukraine

01:23:11.560 and many of them

01:23:12.940 agreed with me then

01:23:13.720 apparently that was

01:23:14.620 the red line

01:23:15.340 you know for them

01:23:16.360 but

01:23:16.960 What kind of reaction

01:23:17.840 did you get?

01:23:18.520 Well I mean

01:23:19.120 a lot of it is

01:23:20.580 you know

01:23:21.300 calling people

01:23:22.120 in my social circle

01:23:22.860 asking why I'm

01:23:23.700 so anti-Semitic now

01:23:24.820 Why?

01:23:25.940 Actually?

01:23:26.620 Yes, yeah

01:23:27.060 no that actually happened

01:23:27.940 and a lot of it

01:23:29.800 is also just

01:23:30.560 generally a freeze

01:23:31.460 of communication

01:23:32.300 or discomfort

01:23:32.980 you know

01:23:33.400 being in presence

01:23:34.500 and I think people

01:23:35.540 should hear about this

01:23:36.280 because what I just

01:23:37.560 described that social capital

01:23:38.720 when that's everything

01:23:39.640 this is how those norms

01:23:41.140 are enforced

01:23:42.100 within the system

01:23:42.780 even if you've never

01:23:43.480 received any money

01:23:44.340 from any of these people

01:23:45.380 which of course

01:23:45.980 most of them have

01:23:47.020 and so you put

01:23:48.220 all of that together

01:23:49.120 and you really watch

01:23:50.480 this like professional

01:23:51.440 nexus and others

01:23:52.420 where you're just

01:23:53.660 almost immediately

01:23:54.700 rejected from like

01:23:55.640 the inner sanctums

01:23:56.520 of the Imperium

01:23:57.640 but I mean

01:23:58.600 something that

01:23:59.380 traces back to like

01:24:00.580 wanting to go independent

01:24:01.560 was this knowledge

01:24:02.820 that outside of the Imperium

01:24:04.460 are all of these other

01:24:05.560 rising you know

01:24:06.740 almost revolutionary forces

01:24:08.020 of the Joe Rogan podcast

01:24:09.600 Dave Smith

01:24:10.240 Daryl Cooper

01:24:11.480 Andrew Schultz

01:24:13.000 Theo Vaughn

01:24:13.880 all of these individuals

01:24:15.040 by the way

01:24:15.780 many of the comedians

01:24:16.500 I listed

01:24:16.820 don't even consider

01:24:17.640 themselves political

01:24:18.380 but it's because

01:24:19.460 they're not connected

01:24:20.100 to the system

01:24:20.700 that they're able

01:24:21.900 to say and observe

01:24:22.980 truths

01:24:23.400 nobody

01:24:24.040 in professional comedy

01:24:25.820 or Hollywood connected comedy

01:24:27.060 or any of these other

01:24:27.940 would ever dare

01:24:28.780 you know be able

01:24:29.620 to even give a voice

01:24:30.660 to these types of ideas

01:24:32.060 and so I chose the latter

01:24:33.620 you know over the former

01:24:35.300 what did you think of the

01:24:36.560 so I know all the people

01:24:37.480 you just mentioned

01:24:38.160 I think so much of

01:24:39.140 every one of those

01:24:40.080 people I'd add Tim Dillon

01:24:41.200 to that list

01:24:41.680 yeah of course Tim

01:24:42.480 wonderful person

01:24:43.620 but um

01:24:44.300 the

01:24:45.640 now I'm being bitchy

01:24:47.480 I can't control myself

01:24:48.240 the quality of the people

01:24:49.980 so you get expelled

01:24:52.220 from

01:24:52.500 you leave

01:24:53.200 but you're also

01:24:54.020 shunned by your

01:24:55.620 former world

01:24:56.320 you enter this new world

01:24:57.580 that includes all the people

01:24:58.840 you just listed

01:24:59.460 how would you compare

01:25:00.620 the quality of the people

01:25:01.800 it's night and day difference

01:25:03.020 and if we disagree

01:25:04.040 they just don't care

01:25:05.120 there's no

01:25:05.800 you know professional

01:25:06.780 freeze out

01:25:08.280 there's no

01:25:08.920 you know

01:25:09.560 there's not as many

01:25:10.180 hard feelings

01:25:11.000 there's a

01:25:11.540 you can look right

01:25:12.060 in Dave Smith's face

01:25:13.200 and say

01:25:13.560 the things you just said

01:25:15.200 that you believe so deeply

01:25:16.400 I think are stupid

01:25:17.280 and he'd still go to dinner

01:25:18.880 with you

01:25:19.200 of course he would

01:25:20.080 I disagree with Dave on a lot

01:25:21.680 mostly on economics

01:25:22.520 I don't think he cares at all

01:25:23.720 you know

01:25:24.220 he talk all the time

01:25:25.260 yeah and that's

01:25:26.200 that's a really important point

01:25:27.560 right

01:25:27.780 is that

01:25:28.160 the verboten issues

01:25:29.520 and the enforcement

01:25:30.380 of all of that

01:25:31.680 is part of why

01:25:32.580 a lot of these people

01:25:33.280 have found

01:25:33.740 the tremendous amount

01:25:34.480 of success

01:25:34.980 that they have

01:25:35.900 and that's

01:25:36.360 that is what still

01:25:37.500 gives me some hope

01:25:38.580 about where we are

01:25:39.660 I totally agree

01:25:41.680 that there

01:25:42.720 you know

01:25:43.000 I believe in God

01:25:43.580 and I do think

01:25:44.180 that there's like

01:25:44.780 an upside

01:25:45.160 you know

01:25:45.500 you go through suffering

01:25:46.360 but there's always

01:25:47.160 like a redemptive quality to it

01:25:49.840 and in this specific case

01:25:51.660 like you find

01:25:52.560 the new people

01:25:53.920 you know

01:25:54.100 you do lose friends

01:25:55.260 have you lost friends

01:25:56.020 yes unfortunately yes

01:25:57.160 me too

01:25:57.460 yeah

01:25:57.680 and I still am sad about it

01:25:59.060 but

01:25:59.360 boy the people you meet

01:26:01.060 are like the most

01:26:02.400 honest

01:26:03.400 interesting

01:26:03.880 decent

01:26:04.540 like the quality

01:26:06.160 I'm sorry to reduce it to this

01:26:07.400 but the quality of the marriages

01:26:08.760 among the people

01:26:10.240 you know

01:26:11.420 who are telling the truth

01:26:12.300 versus the quality

01:26:13.180 of the people

01:26:13.700 who are paid to lie

01:26:14.680 or who are too afraid

01:26:15.680 to tell the truth

01:26:16.120 boy

01:26:17.360 they just have

01:26:17.980 just happier people

01:26:19.020 yes

01:26:19.320 better people

01:26:20.160 of course

01:26:20.600 well I mean

01:26:21.700 what kind of person

01:26:22.540 who has small children

01:26:24.820 at home

01:26:25.280 would want to leave them

01:26:26.540 for four out of five nights

01:26:27.440 a week to attend

01:26:27.980 book party events

01:26:28.720 at Black Dottosio

01:26:29.520 that's exactly right

01:26:29.920 and to drink five or six nights

01:26:31.580 a week

01:26:31.760 I mean this is literally

01:26:32.460 the life that a lot

01:26:33.180 of these people live

01:26:33.800 and if you're a cog

01:26:34.700 in a machine

01:26:35.240 and you're like

01:26:36.160 having Mark Levin

01:26:37.720 on night after night

01:26:39.000 even though everyone knows

01:26:40.160 it's like absurd

01:26:41.000 how can your wife

01:26:42.480 respect you

01:26:43.040 I don't know

01:26:43.500 yeah or getting up

01:26:44.340 at 3.30am in the morning

01:26:45.800 I'm sure I used to

01:26:46.680 in the morning show gig

01:26:47.660 and having to read

01:26:48.640 from the prepared packet

01:26:49.560 for yourself

01:26:50.680 you know

01:26:51.060 good luck honey

01:26:51.700 I hope the kids

01:26:52.380 are okay in the morning

01:26:53.260 and then you know

01:26:53.840 reducing your life

01:26:55.000 to all of that

01:26:55.960 for what purpose

01:26:57.120 no it's totally right

01:26:58.240 and that you know

01:26:58.800 and these are mechanical

01:26:59.860 but they're macro

01:27:00.940 and important issues

01:27:01.900 nicely put

01:27:02.860 yeah

01:27:03.120 so I want to ask you

01:27:04.140 about the politics

01:27:04.860 of all this

01:27:05.560 because I feel like

01:27:06.500 so it is

01:27:07.460 what's the date

01:27:08.080 Monday July 7

01:27:09.940 things are moving

01:27:10.600 so fast

01:27:11.340 that you know

01:27:13.300 who knows where

01:27:13.700 we'll be when this airs

01:27:14.500 which I hope is soon

01:27:15.160 but as of this morning

01:27:17.600 Elon Musk

01:27:18.840 is out there

01:27:21.100 using the cover up

01:27:23.700 that Pam Bondi

01:27:24.480 is so clearly engaged in

01:27:25.900 to disgraceful

01:27:27.020 disgraceful cover up

01:27:28.280 and I like Pam Bondi

01:27:30.300 personally

01:27:30.680 but I'm

01:27:31.440 I'm ashamed

01:27:32.720 as an American

01:27:33.700 to see what they're doing

01:27:34.660 but he's using that

01:27:36.380 to say

01:27:37.000 hey we need

01:27:37.640 a new political party

01:27:38.880 like everyone's involved

01:27:40.580 in the Epstein cover up

01:27:42.700 which is true

01:27:43.300 we need an America party

01:27:45.340 and I'm running it

01:27:46.220 where does this

01:27:48.060 is he serious

01:27:49.060 where does this go

01:27:50.180 filed it with the FEC

01:27:51.220 I would give some caution

01:27:52.940 to Elon

01:27:53.520 Tucker you and I

01:27:54.920 have seen a lot of rich people

01:27:55.820 come and go in Washington

01:27:56.760 yes

01:27:57.220 consultants see you

01:27:58.220 coming from a mile away

01:27:59.400 Mr. Fiscally Conservative

01:28:00.740 socially liberal

01:28:01.620 I'm just gonna put that out there

01:28:03.220 the bipartisan policy center

01:28:05.160 and all these other people

01:28:06.220 they've rolled up

01:28:07.240 that entire market

01:28:08.040 they have plenty to sell you

01:28:09.520 powerpoints

01:28:10.540 about ranked choice voting

01:28:11.880 and a few other things

01:28:13.280 and all that

01:28:14.260 so

01:28:14.460 for all of them

01:28:15.820 I wish you the best of luck

01:28:16.780 because you're all

01:28:17.180 about to get filthy rich

01:28:18.320 off of Elon

01:28:18.920 can you explain a little bit

01:28:20.420 so I'm from DC

01:28:21.320 so I know what you're talking about

01:28:22.220 but for people who aren't

01:28:23.220 what exactly are you saying

01:28:24.480 well I'm saying

01:28:25.240 that there is a long

01:28:26.460 fetishized idea

01:28:27.680 of an American third party

01:28:29.060 which is fiscally conservative

01:28:30.320 which is socially liberal

01:28:31.660 which is moderate

01:28:32.780 on immigration

01:28:33.580 and which is very

01:28:35.240 comfortable

01:28:36.160 with oligarchy

01:28:37.300 and that those forces

01:28:39.380 are extremely well funded

01:28:41.360 and they have a lot of research

01:28:42.960 which could back up

01:28:44.020 whatever your proclivities are

01:28:45.460 and they will happily sell it to you

01:28:46.860 for 10 times market price

01:28:48.620 and sit with presentations

01:28:50.200 to convince you

01:28:51.120 that this is a great idea

01:28:52.560 and actually

01:28:53.700 I mean

01:28:54.140 the irony

01:28:54.740 is if Elon's politics

01:28:56.560 were more reversed

01:28:57.660 in this sense

01:28:58.340 I actually think

01:28:59.180 it would be on to something

01:29:00.000 so

01:29:00.260 my belief

01:29:01.280 is that both of the parties

01:29:02.600 actually do have

01:29:04.000 not answers directly

01:29:05.300 but directionally

01:29:06.500 to the fundamental problems

01:29:07.900 of our age

01:29:08.440 immigration

01:29:08.980 and I think the Republican Party

01:29:10.320 obviously

01:29:10.800 is solid

01:29:11.900 or has come a long way

01:29:13.200 on the issue of

01:29:14.000 at least the base

01:29:14.700 let's say that

01:29:15.160 the voters

01:29:15.560 yeah the voters

01:29:16.200 on the issue of immigration

01:29:17.340 from the gang of eight party

01:29:18.560 and rebellion

01:29:19.100 to where we are today

01:29:20.440 and immigration

01:29:21.220 I still believe

01:29:22.160 is one of the most central

01:29:22.900 and important issues

01:29:23.680 of our time

01:29:24.600 but let's put the other side

01:29:26.000 and we can take this

01:29:26.940 one big beautiful bill

01:29:27.980 as an example

01:29:28.980 we increased the defense budget

01:29:30.520 by 150 billion

01:29:31.860 now I will not get into

01:29:33.500 the actual specific

01:29:35.300 Medicaid cuts

01:29:36.280 but I think it's

01:29:37.140 everything in Washington

01:29:38.000 is about priority

01:29:38.900 so we extended

01:29:39.700 the tax cuts

01:29:40.980 from the TC

01:29:41.740 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

01:29:43.020 of 2017

01:29:43.800 the vast majority

01:29:45.060 of that benefit

01:29:45.600 largely accrues

01:29:46.700 to people who are already rich

01:29:48.180 most of that

01:29:49.160 in particular

01:29:49.780 accrues

01:29:50.800 either to the

01:29:51.700 you know

01:29:51.960 the high W-2 income earner

01:29:54.220 I saw somebody point out

01:29:55.640 correctly

01:29:56.140 that most of those people

01:29:56.880 are Democrats

01:29:57.400 so it's a little bit ironic

01:29:58.680 you know

01:29:58.960 if you're just thinking purely

01:29:59.820 in terms of politics

01:30:01.140 we didn't have any interest

01:30:02.600 in closing the carried interest loophole

01:30:04.120 we didn't have any interest

01:30:05.340 in looking at the step up basis

01:30:07.100 at looking at financialization

01:30:08.960 there's so many areas

01:30:10.360 tens of billions

01:30:11.420 hundreds of billions of dollars

01:30:12.820 ripe for the taking

01:30:13.900 without having to touch

01:30:15.240 a single benefit

01:30:16.000 to an American citizen

01:30:17.060 and instead

01:30:18.020 we started

01:30:18.920 and instead rewrote

01:30:20.040 the way that Medicaid

01:30:21.080 and food stamp programs

01:30:22.540 are going to work

01:30:23.220 which could potentially impact

01:30:24.760 tens of millions of Americans

01:30:26.060 now again

01:30:26.720 I think there's legitimate

01:30:27.540 criticisms

01:30:28.040 around work requirements

01:30:29.140 and welfare

01:30:29.600 and all that

01:30:30.060 I don't necessarily

01:30:31.220 criticize that

01:30:32.160 as opposed to

01:30:33.320 this fetishization

01:30:34.460 that I saw from GOP congressmen

01:30:36.060 who were like

01:30:36.680 yeah it's good

01:30:37.280 that people are going to lose

01:30:38.480 their health care

01:30:39.260 and I said

01:30:39.580 look whether these people

01:30:40.400 are working or not

01:30:41.060 it's not good

01:30:41.580 that anybody loses

01:30:42.300 health care

01:30:42.940 and so that's what I mean

01:30:44.160 about where if Elon's

01:30:45.380 politics were flipped

01:30:46.160 I think the Democrats

01:30:47.120 at least rhetorically

01:30:48.760 do have

01:30:49.840 correct focus

01:30:51.100 on issues like

01:30:51.880 health care

01:30:52.860 and around

01:30:54.000 or at the very least

01:30:55.500 the way that our economy

01:30:56.440 is structured

01:30:57.180 now they may not mean it

01:30:58.260 I don't think they mean it

01:30:59.000 in practice

01:30:59.520 but at least rhetorically

01:31:00.760 so if you were to marry

01:31:02.100 those three issues

01:31:03.420 about immigration restriction

01:31:04.880 about focus on quality of life

01:31:06.900 cost of living

01:31:07.820 health care

01:31:08.420 and also

01:31:09.240 just broadly about

01:31:10.380 restructuring our economy

01:31:11.520 for productive purposes

01:31:13.000 that distributes

01:31:14.000 not through socialism

01:31:15.460 but through

01:31:16.120 a well-ordered

01:31:17.260 and a well-regulated capitalism

01:31:18.900 that distributes the benefit

01:31:20.560 across all sectors

01:31:21.600 of our society

01:31:22.340 now that's an America party

01:31:23.960 I could get on board with

01:31:24.900 but there's no funding for that

01:31:26.440 right

01:31:26.760 no if someone got up

01:31:27.740 and said

01:31:28.060 I'd like an economy

01:31:28.920 where you don't have to hire

01:31:30.560 an illegal alien

01:31:31.740 to raise your kids

01:31:32.540 your wife can stay home

01:31:33.400 and raise your kids

01:31:33.960 if she wants to

01:31:34.540 and most women do want to

01:31:35.760 for the period

01:31:36.640 when they're little

01:31:37.140 I mean

01:31:37.420 most women want that

01:31:39.080 and every survey shows that

01:31:40.620 so if you were to say that

01:31:42.540 in other words

01:31:43.160 if you were to respond

01:31:43.980 to the desire

01:31:44.720 of the majority

01:31:45.680 you'd probably be shot to death

01:31:47.980 you can't say that

01:31:49.620 like it's better

01:31:50.880 to raise your kids

01:31:51.660 than to work in a bank

01:31:52.720 oh right-wing extremism

01:31:55.000 you know

01:31:55.540 let's just seal the borders

01:31:56.680 until we figure out

01:31:57.280 who's here

01:31:57.920 and restore meaning

01:31:59.820 to citizenship

01:32:00.560 what racist

01:32:01.740 maybe we should stop

01:32:03.200 giving billions in aid

01:32:05.900 to the you know

01:32:06.540 stop trying to run the world

01:32:08.460 when we're not good at it

01:32:09.440 at all

01:32:09.800 and just preserve

01:32:10.460 our fundamental national interests

01:32:13.020 isolationist

01:32:14.440 Nazi

01:32:14.940 anti-Semite

01:32:15.740 it's like

01:32:16.220 or in socialists

01:32:17.260 when we talk about healthcare

01:32:18.220 or any of those other issues

01:32:19.300 yeah I mean

01:32:20.040 I

01:32:20.440 I do feel like

01:32:22.580 there's a huge opportunity

01:32:23.880 for someone

01:32:24.600 who would talk like that

01:32:26.420 that's a real America party

01:32:27.420 I mean

01:32:27.620 at his best

01:32:28.880 the 2016

01:32:29.860 Donald Trump campaign

01:32:31.660 was what I just talked about

01:32:32.920 I did not recognize it

01:32:34.000 at the time

01:32:34.340 I was telling you yesterday

01:32:35.220 that election night

01:32:36.260 broke every

01:32:37.180 every political conception

01:32:39.280 and idea

01:32:39.620 oh man

01:32:40.160 which is the best thing

01:32:40.920 that ever happened to me

01:32:41.500 because

01:32:41.820 it allowed me to free my mind

01:32:43.540 to read

01:32:44.100 all of these other people

01:32:45.340 who I had never considered

01:32:46.180 who I was told

01:32:46.860 were illegitimate

01:32:47.560 you know

01:32:47.860 within professional Washington

01:32:48.980 and what it came to the conclusion

01:32:50.640 is that professional Washington

01:32:51.700 is illegitimate

01:32:52.340 and has no idea

01:32:53.100 what it allegedly

01:32:54.000 its own voters want

01:32:54.740 why did so few people do

01:32:55.960 I had the same experience

01:32:56.920 and but

01:32:57.660 which it was hard for me

01:32:59.960 because I've been there

01:33:00.560 for so long

01:33:01.060 but it was so liberating

01:33:02.260 and I'm grateful for it

01:33:03.420 and I'm grateful to Trump

01:33:04.200 for that

01:33:04.560 but why did so few people

01:33:06.440 do that

01:33:07.160 because

01:33:07.620 asking those questions

01:33:09.640 yes

01:33:10.180 you know

01:33:10.520 that is not

01:33:11.560 asking those questions

01:33:12.760 and coming to

01:33:13.300 what I think are the right conclusions

01:33:14.620 about our economy

01:33:16.120 about this restructuring

01:33:17.760 of our entire political base

01:33:19.700 I mean

01:33:19.980 the way that voting patterns

01:33:21.180 over the last decade

01:33:21.940 have changed

01:33:22.300 is unbelievable

01:33:23.080 and when you actually answer

01:33:25.340 a lot of those questions

01:33:26.220 you come to them

01:33:27.080 that are very

01:33:27.620 you know

01:33:28.000 inconvenient for the empire

01:33:29.040 you know

01:33:29.300 the empire currently runs

01:33:30.440 on cheap labor

01:33:31.460 which is immigration related

01:33:33.300 it runs on war abroad

01:33:35.200 you know

01:33:36.160 military industrial complex

01:33:37.400 if you want to call it

01:33:38.260 but all of these foreign entanglements

01:33:40.840 and pushing billions of dollars

01:33:42.900 you know

01:33:43.160 to policing the ends of the earth

01:33:44.500 something that

01:33:45.280 I always want to come to

01:33:47.040 the architects of the American empire

01:33:48.840 General Eisenhower

01:33:49.720 and General Marshall

01:33:50.280 General Eisenhower in particular

01:33:51.900 said it would be a failure

01:33:53.020 if American legions acted as Roman

01:33:55.060 that were deployed

01:33:56.260 to the vast ends of the earth

01:33:57.640 policing it

01:33:58.520 his vision

01:33:59.160 for the American empire

01:34:00.140 was to set up

01:34:00.920 well-ordered states in Europe

01:34:02.300 and to then let them handle it

01:34:03.600 from that point forward

01:34:04.700 General Marshall

01:34:05.360 and others

01:34:06.220 I mean

01:34:06.540 yes

01:34:07.240 they had the Marshall plan

01:34:08.240 but the idea was about

01:34:09.520 creating self-sufficiency

01:34:10.580 that could allow America

01:34:11.920 that could return

01:34:12.760 to where things were broadly

01:34:14.540 in more than 1940s environment

01:34:16.440 but more what I'm saying

01:34:17.980 is that

01:34:18.360 if you look at all of that

01:34:20.300 and you start to speak against it

01:34:21.720 and these are what the voters want

01:34:23.340 you start to come up

01:34:24.640 against the most powerful interests

01:34:25.840 in the world

01:34:26.240 healthcare is 20% of our GDP

01:34:27.780 we have the worst health outcomes

01:34:29.280 in the developed world

01:34:30.060 that's insane

01:34:30.880 why

01:34:31.460 you know

01:34:31.940 it's not because

01:34:33.140 our healthcare system

01:34:34.200 is not working all that well

01:34:35.780 it comes down to immigration

01:34:37.540 we talked about

01:34:38.140 cheap labor

01:34:38.900 with war

01:34:40.120 that's

01:34:40.560 you know

01:34:40.980 foreign governments

01:34:41.920 it's the ideology

01:34:43.200 of the imperium

01:34:44.280 which is all about

01:34:45.260 basically transnational loyalty

01:34:47.060 as opposed to loyalty

01:34:48.080 to your own citizenship

01:34:49.780 and really to your own country

01:34:51.120 and then broadly

01:34:52.420 about oligarchy

01:34:53.280 and because

01:34:53.860 when we look at the way

01:34:55.520 how do you become rich

01:34:56.640 in America today

01:34:57.360 a few years ago

01:34:58.540 I went to the Forbes billionaire list

01:35:00.480 and I just restricted the list

01:35:02.520 to the number of new billionaires

01:35:04.320 that were added to that list

01:35:05.480 the vast majority

01:35:06.680 of those new billionaires

01:35:07.980 in America

01:35:08.540 were people

01:35:09.400 who worked in hedge funds

01:35:10.480 and in finance

01:35:11.160 and this is why

01:35:12.740 in some ways

01:35:13.260 the left is wrong

01:35:13.960 they often criticize

01:35:15.080 they'll often criticize

01:35:17.060 like

01:35:17.400 let's take Elon

01:35:18.860 as an example

01:35:19.440 and Elon

01:35:19.780 is a complicated figure

01:35:20.720 but you know

01:35:21.300 look I have a Tesla

01:35:22.060 I encourage everybody

01:35:22.960 to get in one

01:35:24.020 at least once

01:35:24.640 because it's like

01:35:25.920 getting an iPhone 4

01:35:26.940 for the first time

01:35:27.700 it will change

01:35:28.500 your entire conception

01:35:29.240 of what a car is

01:35:30.020 now if people

01:35:30.700 were getting rich

01:35:31.300 creating an American car company

01:35:32.780 I would be ecstatic

01:35:34.440 but that's not

01:35:35.400 what they're getting rich from

01:35:36.280 they're getting rich

01:35:36.900 from extractive

01:35:38.140 addictive capitalism

01:35:39.520 let's say in finance

01:35:41.000 right

01:35:41.300 basically creating

01:35:42.680 you know

01:35:43.200 unproductive trading systems

01:35:44.980 which are only enriching themselves

01:35:46.760 and then rigging our tax code

01:35:48.260 so they pay lower taxes

01:35:49.400 than small business owners

01:35:50.720 maybe like you or I

01:35:51.720 or the average person on the street

01:35:53.280 who gets taxed

01:35:54.200 at a higher rate

01:35:54.820 for his labor

01:35:55.780 let's take

01:35:56.660 you know

01:35:56.940 other examples

01:35:57.840 like the more

01:35:58.660 you know

01:35:58.960 all the companies

01:36:00.120 so-called great companies

01:36:01.300 coming necessarily

01:36:02.180 out of Silicon Valley

01:36:03.060 you know

01:36:03.500 the vast majority of that money

01:36:04.620 as Peter Thiel famously said

01:36:06.140 you know

01:36:06.420 where promised flying cars

01:36:08.060 all we got

01:36:08.500 were 140 characters

01:36:09.740 there is something

01:36:10.720 deeply true about that

01:36:11.960 about the experience

01:36:13.060 of the technology industry

01:36:15.000 has largely been

01:36:16.560 about extractive capitalism

01:36:18.160 and addiction

01:36:18.720 on our phones

01:36:19.500 and about industries

01:36:20.580 that rely on that

01:36:21.420 as opposed to products

01:36:22.400 that make our lives better

01:36:23.360 and make

01:36:23.620 boy they lecture you

01:36:24.680 about that

01:36:25.060 I have friends

01:36:25.980 in the tech business

01:36:29.040 who I really like

01:36:30.300 who I consider

01:36:30.960 so smart

01:36:31.720 and interesting

01:36:33.200 but

01:36:33.860 and I guess

01:36:34.860 we all get preachy

01:36:35.600 about what we're doing

01:36:36.420 with our lives

01:36:37.080 I mean

01:36:37.320 I get preachy

01:36:38.160 about journalists

01:36:38.520 we're here to tell the truth

01:36:39.680 so I'm trying not

01:36:41.520 to be too judgmental

01:36:42.400 on the other hand

01:36:43.420 I don't see technology

01:36:45.880 over the past 80 years

01:36:47.820 oh what about antibiotics

01:36:49.320 and the polio vaccine

01:36:50.000 okay

01:36:50.260 great

01:36:51.000 but in general

01:36:52.540 net net

01:36:53.640 as we say

01:36:54.380 in the douchebag industry

01:36:55.320 I

01:36:55.760 I don't see it

01:36:57.320 as a net plus at all

01:36:58.480 I don't see it right

01:36:59.120 I see it as enslavement

01:37:00.180 and a total disaster

01:37:01.500 like

01:37:01.720 but you're not

01:37:02.880 but they're like

01:37:03.780 what

01:37:04.320 technology's making

01:37:05.660 our lives better

01:37:06.160 really tell me how

01:37:07.140 yeah

01:37:07.340 I mean let's take

01:37:08.100 I know you want to talk

01:37:09.440 about sports gambling

01:37:10.120 it's the perfect example

01:37:11.140 right

01:37:11.440 so it's something

01:37:11.980 that's been enabled

01:37:12.700 by the phone

01:37:13.960 and has led

01:37:15.020 in my opinion

01:37:15.760 to what is the next

01:37:16.680 opioid epidemic

01:37:17.440 that we will see

01:37:18.300 in the next 10 years

01:37:19.440 so

01:37:19.740 in 2018

01:37:21.240 literally

01:37:22.060 just 2018

01:37:23.000 the Supreme Court

01:37:24.220 reversed

01:37:25.020 a decision

01:37:25.500 or ruled

01:37:26.160 a decision

01:37:26.720 that restricted

01:37:27.780 sports gambling

01:37:28.800 to the state of Nevada

01:37:29.700 New Jersey

01:37:30.600 immediately

01:37:31.440 Chris Christie

01:37:31.980 by the way

01:37:32.340 is the person

01:37:32.680 who brought this lawsuit

01:37:33.500 which legalizes

01:37:34.460 sports gambling

01:37:35.160 eventually

01:37:35.820 Chris Christie's on the side

01:37:36.560 of sports gambling

01:37:37.120 of course

01:37:37.380 he was the person

01:37:38.460 who brought the suit

01:37:39.120 well what happens

01:37:40.140 from that point forward

01:37:41.120 he is the lowest

01:37:41.600 ever

01:37:43.120 well you and I

01:37:44.040 are sitting here today

01:37:44.660 in a country

01:37:45.140 where 40

01:37:45.860 40 states plus

01:37:47.100 the District of Columbia

01:37:47.780 sports gambling

01:37:48.380 is legal

01:37:48.800 you have these

01:37:49.560 sports gambling companies

01:37:50.520 FanDuel and DraftKings

01:37:51.760 which basically

01:37:53.180 have legal monopolies

01:37:54.700 from the states

01:37:55.260 from the gaming commissions

01:37:56.460 of these states

01:37:57.080 where they are allowed

01:37:58.320 to operate

01:37:58.800 and it's not a free market

01:38:00.020 because of the licensure

01:38:01.580 and the way that it works

01:38:02.500 yes

01:38:02.820 not everybody

01:38:03.480 can just become a gambler

01:38:04.240 I want to talk about this

01:38:04.980 I should just say

01:38:05.400 because I'm totally

01:38:06.060 ignorant of the subject

01:38:06.640 but I keep hearing

01:38:07.480 from young people

01:38:08.720 who I'm related to

01:38:09.820 or who work for me

01:38:10.820 about people getting

01:38:12.180 in trouble with sports gambling

01:38:13.440 yes

01:38:13.740 and so

01:38:14.500 how did this all happen

01:38:15.600 so in the span of

01:38:16.300 what

01:38:16.680 it's been 7 years

01:38:17.720 since that happened

01:38:18.520 40 states are now legal

01:38:19.900 I just looked it up

01:38:20.980 this morning

01:38:21.560 several hundred billion dollars

01:38:23.620 were gambled

01:38:24.240 by Americans in 2024

01:38:25.680 hundred billion

01:38:26.340 hundred billion dollars

01:38:27.740 were gambled

01:38:28.240 in 2024

01:38:29.500 the gambling revenue

01:38:30.880 was some 14 billion dollars

01:38:32.540 just the revenue

01:38:33.200 they were able to extract

01:38:34.300 that is larger

01:38:35.240 than the motion picture industry

01:38:36.580 the box office industry

01:38:37.900 in the United States of America

01:38:39.520 the vast majority

01:38:40.880 of that revenue

01:38:41.740 a study that came out

01:38:43.120 shows

01:38:43.420 comes from only 3%

01:38:44.820 of gamblers

01:38:45.480 3%

01:38:46.200 and the reason why

01:38:47.400 is that gambling addicts

01:38:48.480 make up almost 50%

01:38:49.960 of the revenue

01:38:50.560 3% make up 50%

01:38:52.220 because they literally

01:38:53.120 cannot put it down

01:38:54.020 and what makes this story

01:38:55.180 even crazier

01:38:55.780 is that FanDuel DraftKings

01:38:57.380 have the legal right

01:38:58.880 in the way that they run

01:39:00.040 their business

01:39:00.580 where Tucker

01:39:01.260 if you and I

01:39:01.800 were actually good

01:39:02.540 at sports gambling

01:39:03.240 they would effectively

01:39:04.620 ban us from the platform

01:39:05.740 they would no longer

01:39:06.920 allow us

01:39:07.600 to place bets

01:39:08.640 larger than

01:39:09.340 let's say

01:39:09.740 $1.20

01:39:10.900 and the reason why

01:39:12.360 is their algorithms

01:39:13.280 are detectable

01:39:14.140 for anybody

01:39:14.940 who is actually

01:39:15.660 gambling smart

01:39:16.440 and so they immediately

01:39:17.720 will ban you

01:39:18.600 from being able to bet

01:39:19.800 any sizable portion

01:39:20.820 of money

01:39:21.160 meanwhile

01:39:21.820 for those gambling addicts

01:39:23.080 those 3%

01:39:23.640 they have an entire

01:39:24.740 VIP host directed service

01:39:26.620 where DraftKings

01:39:27.520 and FanDuel

01:39:28.080 shower these people

01:39:29.260 in free gifts

01:39:30.160 they call them

01:39:30.780 every single day

01:39:31.560 they basically

01:39:32.580 operate on the phone

01:39:33.700 to make sure

01:39:34.180 that there's no track record

01:39:35.300 because they're not

01:39:36.140 supposed to do this

01:39:36.900 they're not supposed

01:39:37.520 to enable gambling addicts

01:39:38.840 according to the law

01:39:39.640 and what they do

01:39:40.760 is they encourage them

01:39:41.900 with free promotions

01:39:42.840 or whatever

01:39:43.460 to keep gambling

01:39:44.620 their entire life savings

01:39:45.900 more recently

01:39:46.660 there was a man

01:39:47.480 I talked about

01:39:48.020 in my monologue

01:39:48.600 on the subject

01:39:49.200 who gambled away

01:39:50.140 over a million

01:39:50.900 I think 1.4 million dollars

01:39:52.440 he never made more

01:39:53.220 than 200,000

01:39:53.940 his wife is suing

01:39:55.100 DraftKings

01:39:55.640 because he gambled away

01:39:56.580 his children's life savings

01:39:57.480 college accounts

01:39:58.160 his Christmas gifts

01:39:59.040 everything

01:39:59.520 everything that he owned

01:40:00.860 he never gambled

01:40:01.700 before 2020

01:40:02.420 and he gambled away

01:40:03.460 everything he owned

01:40:04.500 by 2024

01:40:05.420 DraftKings used to call

01:40:06.920 him every single day

01:40:07.940 they used to say

01:40:08.500 what else you got

01:40:10.280 they violated

01:40:11.120 their own policies

01:40:11.820 according to the lawsuit

01:40:12.680 according to their lawsuit

01:40:14.220 the lawsuit brought

01:40:15.300 by the wife

01:40:15.840 the income

01:40:17.040 if they tried to verify it

01:40:18.280 they would have seen

01:40:18.880 that he was using

01:40:19.660 all of these different assets

01:40:20.900 which are

01:40:21.700 obviously not

01:40:22.820 from a W-2 income

01:40:23.900 which is apparently

01:40:24.480 violated their policy

01:40:25.480 they would have seen

01:40:26.440 as they admit

01:40:27.280 in many cases

01:40:27.940 he was a gambling addict

01:40:29.260 and they didn't care

01:40:30.480 they allowed him

01:40:31.200 to basically gamble

01:40:32.300 away his life savings

01:40:33.120 and not only enabled it

01:40:34.160 but encouraged it

01:40:34.980 you know what I'm thinking

01:40:36.480 as you're telling me

01:40:37.100 this amazing story

01:40:38.140 what I'm really afraid of

01:40:39.800 is Sharia law

01:40:40.620 they hate us

01:40:42.140 for our freedoms

01:40:42.900 they hate us

01:40:44.120 for our freedoms

01:40:44.800 Sharia's the threat

01:40:46.480 maybe they had something

01:40:47.920 going on gambling

01:40:48.700 but my point

01:40:49.800 this is so dark

01:40:50.840 this is all on your phone

01:40:52.160 this is on my phone

01:40:53.060 this is on everybody's phone

01:40:54.020 it's on almost

01:40:54.620 every young man's phone

01:40:55.600 in America

01:40:56.160 it's part of the social fabric

01:40:57.600 right now of male culture

01:40:58.700 in the United States

01:40:59.700 and all of it

01:41:00.920 and I didn't even get

01:41:01.960 to the craziest part

01:41:02.720 which is that the bets

01:41:03.580 that they're making

01:41:04.220 are these things called

01:41:05.480 single game parlay bets

01:41:07.020 which are basically

01:41:07.740 multi-contingent bets

01:41:09.480 about four or five

01:41:10.920 different things happening

01:41:11.700 because the odds payout

01:41:12.800 is much higher

01:41:13.740 you will lose

01:41:14.680 with such regularity

01:41:15.780 like in the state of Illinois

01:41:17.080 60% of all bets

01:41:18.260 were that type of bet

01:41:19.340 give me an example

01:41:19.860 my ignorance is astounding

01:41:21.640 on this subject

01:41:22.140 so I'm not very well

01:41:23.820 versus sports

01:41:24.400 but let's say

01:41:25.140 we're watching a football game

01:41:26.160 we would say that

01:41:27.100 this person is going to rush

01:41:28.500 more than 200 yards

01:41:29.560 the quarterback will score

01:41:30.900 two touchdowns

01:41:32.000 and at the end of the second half

01:41:35.080 the Packers will be up by seven

01:41:36.840 so you would bet that

01:41:38.060 and so your payout

01:41:39.080 on a five dollar bet

01:41:40.180 could be a thousand dollars

01:41:41.680 and that's why

01:41:42.320 it's very attractive

01:41:42.920 but what people don't understand

01:41:44.380 is that it's priced that way

01:41:46.400 that five dollar for a thousand

01:41:47.860 because you're almost certainly

01:41:49.040 not going to hit it

01:41:49.900 and that's the vast

01:41:51.580 vast majority

01:41:52.340 of the bets

01:41:52.980 that Americans are making today

01:41:54.220 because it's fun

01:41:55.100 but my point around the fun

01:41:57.000 is that

01:41:57.800 the gambling addicts

01:41:59.020 are the only people

01:41:59.500 who enable your fun

01:42:00.420 and if you're actually

01:42:01.720 any good at this

01:42:02.560 you'll get banned

01:42:03.640 it's a totally unfair

01:42:05.100 how can they ban

01:42:06.100 how can they

01:42:06.800 well that's totally

01:42:07.620 and Vegas is the same way

01:42:08.820 by the way

01:42:09.160 Vegas is the same way

01:42:09.840 of how they back off

01:42:10.980 people who are good

01:42:11.880 at card counting

01:42:13.080 that's where the custom

01:42:14.160 what was legacy granted

01:42:15.500 into the sports gambling houses

01:42:17.180 comes from

01:42:17.740 regulators

01:42:18.500 don't care about any of this

01:42:20.100 and legislators

01:42:20.860 why

01:42:21.320 because they're getting

01:42:22.280 filthy rich revenues

01:42:23.960 off of this from the state

01:42:25.500 but my contention

01:42:26.720 is if you look

01:42:27.680 at the social cost

01:42:28.960 of every single state

01:42:30.680 where sports gambling

01:42:31.540 has been legalized

01:42:32.220 we've seen an increase

01:42:33.180 in bankruptcy

01:42:33.720 particularly young men

01:42:35.500 we've seen a rise

01:42:36.480 in domestic violence

01:42:37.360 intimate partner violence

01:42:38.580 largely when bets lose

01:42:39.840 so a man's bet will lose

01:42:41.580 and he'll take it out

01:42:42.160 on his wife

01:42:42.620 or the kids

01:42:43.140 that are in the house

01:42:44.160 it's horrible

01:42:44.980 we've seen an actually

01:42:46.480 statistically significant rise

01:42:47.920 almost directly as a result

01:42:49.620 of sports gambling

01:42:50.660 we are watching

01:42:52.100 the social costs

01:42:53.120 of our brother

01:42:54.020 our cousin

01:42:54.800 or whatever

01:42:55.280 go bankrupt

01:42:56.200 or lose hundreds of dollars

01:42:57.740 get normalized

01:42:58.740 into this environment

01:42:59.900 of taking like insane risks

01:43:02.760 which you don't even

01:43:03.600 really understand

01:43:04.420 it's getting enmeshed

01:43:05.820 if you go to any bar

01:43:06.520 in America

01:43:06.900 during a sports game

01:43:07.780 you'll find somebody there

01:43:09.140 with their phone

01:43:10.140 and if you're talking to them

01:43:11.460 they've got money

01:43:12.340 on every play of the game

01:43:13.540 they'll be like

01:43:14.080 oh I had $20

01:43:15.380 that he would you know

01:43:16.480 throw a touchdown

01:43:17.420 in the very first quarter

01:43:18.500 soon they're rolling out products

01:43:20.280 which make it so that

01:43:21.620 you can bet like

01:43:22.320 every single play

01:43:23.740 of the game

01:43:24.380 and they're doing it live

01:43:25.760 so you can do it there

01:43:26.600 all on your phone

01:43:27.720 I mean that's basically

01:43:28.640 to me

01:43:29.540 that's an emblem

01:43:30.460 of where we have become

01:43:31.400 what we have become

01:43:32.100 as a country

01:43:32.580 we use a smartphone

01:43:33.640 as an addictive platform

01:43:35.120 to enable

01:43:35.940 one of the worst vices

01:43:37.360 that we've always recognized

01:43:38.660 in American history

01:43:40.060 and my solution

01:43:41.160 is simple

01:43:41.680 is okay

01:43:42.340 it's not fair that Nevada

01:43:43.240 had sports gambling

01:43:44.060 let's just make it in person

01:43:45.760 we have to introduce friction

01:43:47.240 into the system

01:43:48.020 we do that for alcohol

01:43:49.340 we do that for cigarettes

01:43:50.740 by the way

01:43:51.360 cigarette companies

01:43:51.980 are not allowed to sponsor

01:43:53.300 and spend billions of dollars

01:43:54.380 in advertising

01:43:54.920 at the Super Bowl

01:43:55.620 and pair up with

01:43:56.840 professional sports betting leagues

01:43:58.540 you know

01:43:59.020 I've spoken with

01:43:59.720 professional athletes

01:44:00.720 NFL athletes

01:44:01.500 who told me

01:44:02.200 they have faced harassment

01:44:03.860 from people who lost bets

01:44:05.660 because of them

01:44:06.680 they'll be like

01:44:07.340 hey the kicker

01:44:08.220 you idiot

01:44:09.020 you didn't make that

01:44:10.060 and I had $1,000

01:44:11.400 you know

01:44:12.360 on something

01:44:12.940 it's ruining the game

01:44:14.080 the gambling companies

01:44:15.520 and the leagues

01:44:15.960 are coming together

01:44:17.180 tens of millions of Americans

01:44:20.000 are borderline addicted

01:44:21.500 right now

01:44:21.880 hundreds of millions

01:44:22.660 are actually making bets

01:44:23.820 and all of this

01:44:25.100 is just like

01:44:25.600 a sleeping social revolution

01:44:27.320 in the country

01:44:28.460 where

01:44:29.160 parlay betting

01:44:30.240 and the lingo

01:44:31.000 that used to be known

01:44:32.500 to

01:44:32.840 you know

01:44:33.600 the most degenerate guy

01:44:34.920 who lives in Vegas

01:44:35.860 is now common parlance

01:44:37.800 you know

01:44:38.480 in American culture

01:44:39.980 and people call you

01:44:41.360 nanny state

01:44:41.960 or any of that

01:44:42.460 I just said

01:44:43.100 I don't even oppose

01:44:44.120 necessarily the ability

01:44:45.260 to sports gamble

01:44:45.940 I just think

01:44:46.820 we should treat it

01:44:47.340 like any other vice

01:44:48.300 and make it so

01:44:49.160 that you have to gamble

01:44:49.820 in person

01:44:50.080 why not just say

01:44:50.480 it's disgusting

01:44:51.260 I think it is disgusting

01:44:52.020 and it's predatory

01:44:52.760 and by the way

01:44:53.880 they're praying

01:44:54.380 as the crypto people do

01:44:55.520 sorry

01:44:55.820 on the frustration

01:44:58.180 and sadness

01:44:58.780 of young men

01:44:59.380 who know

01:44:59.740 they're never going

01:45:00.240 to be able to afford

01:45:01.120 a wife, kids, and a house

01:45:02.400 exactly

01:45:02.700 and that's

01:45:03.140 they sell you the dream

01:45:04.020 all the advertisements

01:45:05.520 are you can get rich

01:45:07.060 with your knowledge

01:45:08.040 and as I just said

01:45:09.440 if you actually do get rich

01:45:10.500 they'll just ban you

01:45:11.220 or if you have the potential to

01:45:12.340 business wasn't always

01:45:13.320 this sleazy in the United States

01:45:14.600 there were self-restraints

01:45:15.540 I mean I've never been

01:45:16.420 that into business

01:45:17.660 or never participated

01:45:18.500 in business actually

01:45:19.200 in my whole life

01:45:19.680 but so what do I know

01:45:21.640 but I have been here a while

01:45:23.060 and I remember people had

01:45:24.460 like there was a feeling

01:45:25.440 like well that's just wrong

01:45:26.440 we're not going to do that

01:45:27.420 yes

01:45:27.820 taking advantage of people

01:45:29.580 was bad

01:45:31.040 especially poor people

01:45:32.380 like payday loan

01:45:33.240 was a really sleazy business

01:45:34.700 charging 30% interest

01:45:36.200 on a credit card

01:45:36.920 I mean you

01:45:37.520 your neighbors would judge you

01:45:39.480 yeah

01:45:39.700 and they should

01:45:40.600 but that's the problem

01:45:41.740 with the collapse

01:45:42.480 of social trust

01:45:43.320 is that there's not

01:45:44.000 a lot of policing

01:45:44.640 totally amoral predators

01:45:45.980 took control of our society

01:45:47.480 at every level

01:45:48.580 that's exactly right

01:45:49.420 and now the government

01:45:50.260 is in league with them

01:45:51.120 their grant

01:45:51.780 it'll be legal

01:45:52.540 in almost all 50 states

01:45:53.540 probably by the end

01:45:54.700 of the decade

01:45:55.160 and all of this

01:45:56.320 will lead to

01:45:56.960 mass bankruptcy

01:45:58.100 like I said

01:45:59.280 all the social

01:46:00.000 attendant costs

01:46:01.020 of this

01:46:02.040 but I think more importantly

01:46:03.240 it shows

01:46:04.540 when you have that

01:46:05.480 collapse of social enforcement

01:46:07.280 within your society

01:46:08.660 you can just see

01:46:10.020 how rapid

01:46:10.520 I'm talking about

01:46:11.040 a seven year period

01:46:12.000 this is not long ago

01:46:13.220 that this was even

01:46:14.260 not a thing

01:46:14.920 that we went to

01:46:15.860 bigger than the

01:46:16.620 motion picture industry

01:46:17.640 and you and I

01:46:18.460 are talking before

01:46:19.240 football season

01:46:20.020 all forecasts

01:46:21.280 say that

01:46:22.020 DraftKings and FanDuel

01:46:23.000 will make more money

01:46:23.780 this year

01:46:24.220 than they have ever

01:46:25.160 made before

01:46:25.640 and 2024 to 2023

01:46:27.380 was already

01:46:28.360 a 23% rise

01:46:29.460 why are people

01:46:30.040 paying their gambling debts

01:46:31.380 yeah

01:46:32.080 why are people paying

01:46:33.020 their credit card bills

01:46:33.900 I don't understand

01:46:34.580 I mean

01:46:35.280 it's like so one-sided

01:46:37.220 it's like

01:46:37.900 you're a college student

01:46:39.040 and you get credit card offers

01:46:40.540 free credit cards

01:46:41.480 and you get

01:46:42.120 lured into something

01:46:43.220 like this

01:46:43.780 you get destroyed by it

01:46:45.640 but you still have to

01:46:46.320 pay your debts

01:46:47.060 yes

01:46:47.380 so it's all upside

01:46:48.360 for them

01:46:48.900 and then people

01:46:50.180 wag their finger

01:46:50.880 in your face

01:46:51.400 so like

01:46:51.660 oh you a communist

01:46:52.480 am I a communist

01:46:53.560 no

01:46:53.780 no I'm not

01:46:54.340 if you say like

01:46:56.320 why would you pay

01:46:57.680 your debts

01:46:58.060 why would you ever

01:46:59.540 pay off

01:47:01.080 it is

01:47:01.860 and they're the ones

01:47:03.300 who should be ashamed

01:47:04.340 not just ashamed

01:47:05.120 our legislators

01:47:05.740 should do something about it

01:47:06.900 I really do want to start

01:47:07.800 a political party

01:47:08.580 don't pay your credit card bill

01:47:10.680 do not pay your gambling debts

01:47:12.580 I really do

01:47:13.420 it'd be a general strike

01:47:15.120 against

01:47:15.680 or student loan

01:47:16.700 honestly

01:47:17.160 but whenever

01:47:17.840 but what they do

01:47:18.900 and it's the same people

01:47:20.040 they take the frustration

01:47:21.760 the people who are benefiting

01:47:23.320 from DraftKings and Citibank

01:47:24.660 they take the frustration

01:47:25.980 that people feel

01:47:27.100 the stupid

01:47:28.400 new mayor of New York

01:47:29.860 and they move it

01:47:32.220 into like race hate

01:47:33.380 they basically

01:47:35.380 take that momentum

01:47:36.520 and they shift it

01:47:37.660 into a safe direction

01:47:38.840 like just hate each other

01:47:40.220 on the basis

01:47:40.700 of the way you look

01:47:41.480 yes of course

01:47:42.140 and that's very safe

01:47:44.020 for their

01:47:44.420 for their backers

01:47:45.900 but I'm just waiting

01:47:47.320 for the guy

01:47:47.800 who's like

01:47:48.080 no no no

01:47:48.440 the real criminals

01:47:49.360 are the ones

01:47:50.080 who are loaning you money

01:47:51.280 at 30% interest

01:47:52.200 or getting you to

01:47:53.160 go bankrupt

01:47:54.020 on a sports gambling app

01:47:55.900 like those are the villains

01:47:57.480 why don't we go after them

01:47:58.660 I agree

01:47:59.200 I've been waiting

01:48:00.320 will you run for president

01:48:01.660 on the don't pay

01:48:02.620 your credit card bill

01:48:03.580 and I will send you money

01:48:05.020 well I've been waiting

01:48:06.620 for somebody

01:48:07.120 I talked with a guy

01:48:08.040 who's an expert

01:48:08.700 on the history

01:48:09.380 of political parties

01:48:10.160 and he said

01:48:11.060 you know

01:48:11.520 one of the most popular issues

01:48:13.280 that I think

01:48:13.780 that would resonate

01:48:14.340 is banning

01:48:16.200 people

01:48:17.120 employers

01:48:17.860 who schedule

01:48:18.720 closing shift

01:48:19.760 and opening shift

01:48:20.720 it's called clopening

01:48:21.540 right

01:48:21.960 like people who have to

01:48:22.720 work until midnight

01:48:23.500 and wake up at 6am

01:48:24.720 a lot of these

01:48:25.180 are the most precarious people

01:48:26.340 in our economy

01:48:27.340 who are basically

01:48:28.160 screwed around with

01:48:29.300 by their employers

01:48:30.120 getting paid

01:48:30.760 minimum wage

01:48:31.700 and feel the deep frustration

01:48:33.080 of no power in their lives

01:48:34.480 from financial institutions

01:48:35.480 to their employers

01:48:36.400 he's like

01:48:36.720 I genuinely think

01:48:37.580 just an issue like that

01:48:38.780 would resonate so deeply

01:48:40.140 and then I started thinking

01:48:41.220 I go

01:48:41.500 why

01:48:42.120 is that not even a thing

01:48:43.800 and I go

01:48:44.240 oh well it's because

01:48:44.960 most people in Washington

01:48:45.900 don't even know

01:48:46.820 about the term

01:48:47.740 that I just used

01:48:48.480 and it's about

01:48:49.600 the everyday life

01:48:51.360 of somebody

01:48:52.220 who is worried

01:48:53.400 about

01:48:54.060 being able to buy a house

01:48:55.780 I mean

01:48:56.020 let's even put

01:48:56.820 buying a house

01:48:57.360 out of that

01:48:57.660 that's the American dream

01:48:58.640 I'm talking about

01:48:59.120 let's just making rent

01:49:00.280 I'm talking about

01:49:01.560 you know

01:49:02.160 being able to

01:49:03.040 fill up your car

01:49:04.100 I mean

01:49:04.320 a large percentage

01:49:05.920 of this country

01:49:06.440 is a blown tire

01:49:07.460 away from bankruptcy

01:49:08.340 oh I know

01:49:08.800 a literal blown tire

01:49:09.960 away

01:49:10.300 from complete

01:49:11.560 bankruptcy

01:49:12.300 economic precarity

01:49:13.540 to a level

01:49:14.460 which is shameful

01:49:15.280 you know

01:49:15.980 whenever we have

01:49:16.700 the richest country

01:49:17.860 in human history

01:49:18.900 and you know

01:49:19.400 you talked about

01:49:20.140 Zoran

01:49:20.620 and what I really

01:49:21.720 appreciated

01:49:22.240 is look

01:49:23.440 we don't like Zoran

01:49:24.280 I'm not pro Zoran

01:49:25.620 I get it

01:49:26.080 but when he says

01:49:28.100 hey I'm just worried

01:49:29.040 about the rent

01:49:29.620 and I don't care

01:49:30.460 about Israel

01:49:31.020 because I'm going

01:49:31.820 to stay here

01:49:32.360 in New York

01:49:32.860 I loved it

01:49:33.500 I loved it too

01:49:35.060 that's all we need

01:49:36.960 that's what all people

01:49:37.820 really want

01:49:38.480 I remember when

01:49:39.340 Trump first term

01:49:40.560 withdrew from Paris

01:49:41.500 and he said

01:49:41.980 I was elected

01:49:42.740 to be the president

01:49:43.640 of Pittsburgh

01:49:44.340 not Paris

01:49:45.320 so that's the problem

01:49:46.820 one of the most important things

01:49:48.140 the problem

01:49:48.680 the DOJ decision yesterday

01:49:50.320 to cover up

01:49:51.460 the crimes of Epstein

01:49:52.260 which they are doing

01:49:52.980 is that

01:49:54.680 it leaves people

01:49:56.140 at the very end

01:49:57.400 of their electoral options

01:49:59.020 it's like

01:49:59.780 I voted for this guy

01:50:01.160 and I'll speak for myself

01:50:02.400 I voted for this guy

01:50:03.400 precisely because

01:50:04.420 I'm really distressed

01:50:05.420 I want justice

01:50:06.240 I want honesty

01:50:07.400 I think secrecy

01:50:08.840 abets evil

01:50:09.420 I want someone

01:50:11.260 to focus on my country

01:50:12.240 like all the basic things

01:50:13.280 and I think Trump

01:50:13.920 wants all those things too

01:50:14.860 but if you

01:50:15.860 when you allow

01:50:16.740 something like this

01:50:17.420 to happen

01:50:17.880 people are like

01:50:18.440 you know what

01:50:18.720 the system itself

01:50:19.540 is beyond reform

01:50:21.240 there's no reasonable

01:50:23.220 step I can take

01:50:24.180 to improve this country

01:50:25.120 or my own life

01:50:26.020 I have to do

01:50:27.200 something crazy

01:50:27.900 like you're creating

01:50:29.560 true radicalism

01:50:30.900 when you do stuff like this

01:50:32.020 because what's the option

01:50:33.200 well that's why

01:50:34.160 in a way

01:50:34.820 I want to hold

01:50:35.900 a lot of these leaders

01:50:36.800 to a higher standard

01:50:37.840 is because

01:50:38.540 if you're elected

01:50:39.440 on that message

01:50:40.180 and you betray that message

01:50:41.360 in my opinion

01:50:42.140 you're more culpable

01:50:43.140 than let's say

01:50:44.220 the idiots

01:50:44.760 like George W. Bush

01:50:45.760 and others

01:50:46.120 who really believed it

01:50:47.320 right

01:50:47.540 they believed

01:50:48.040 they destroyed our country

01:50:49.260 I agree

01:50:49.820 but at the very least

01:50:52.060 they didn't lie to us

01:50:53.200 as much

01:50:54.040 about wanting to address

01:50:56.200 the very problems

01:50:57.100 that they created

01:50:57.760 but when you have people

01:50:58.860 like Obama

01:50:59.520 Biden

01:50:59.940 and Trump

01:51:00.480 who are elected

01:51:01.500 right now

01:51:02.540 on the backs

01:51:03.540 of fixing

01:51:04.300 the most catastrophic

01:51:05.640 presidency

01:51:06.240 probably in American history

01:51:07.740 George W. Bush

01:51:08.920 but then to return

01:51:10.500 to many

01:51:11.020 or in many cases

01:51:12.040 even go further

01:51:13.380 and not actually

01:51:14.720 address those

01:51:15.500 I think you're very

01:51:16.460 culpable in that

01:51:17.200 and you reap what you sow

01:51:18.240 I mean you said

01:51:18.780 you're not a radical

01:51:20.140 I'm similar in disposition

01:51:22.240 like I don't want to see

01:51:23.560 mass violence

01:51:24.800 or any of these other

01:51:25.500 well you're a married father

01:51:26.660 you're like I am too

01:51:28.520 you're totally vested

01:51:29.720 in the future of the country

01:51:30.620 exactly

01:51:30.960 I don't want that to happen

01:51:32.320 no

01:51:32.680 but as an analyst

01:51:33.820 or as somebody familiar

01:51:35.480 with history

01:51:36.180 somebody who has an audience

01:51:37.500 and can pick up

01:51:38.340 on social trends

01:51:39.200 people are mad

01:51:41.020 as hell right now

01:51:41.800 they are angry

01:51:42.740 too mad

01:51:43.460 angry

01:51:44.200 too mad

01:51:44.640 no I agree

01:51:45.960 I'm legit

01:51:47.740 that Epstein thing

01:51:49.060 it's not even about Epstein

01:51:50.400 I can live

01:51:51.900 I think I know

01:51:52.820 what the Epstein thing was

01:51:53.880 everybody knows

01:51:54.600 what it was

01:51:55.680 I think YouPorn

01:51:57.340 is the same thing

01:51:58.220 yes

01:51:58.600 they're collecting information

01:51:59.780 to blackmail people

01:52:01.060 on YouPorn

01:52:01.660 do you think

01:52:02.140 a foreign government

01:52:03.240 doesn't have access

01:52:03.900 to the back end of YouPorn

01:52:04.880 I think they do

01:52:05.960 and so I get it

01:52:07.660 I understand

01:52:08.380 you know

01:52:09.540 everyone knows what's up

01:52:10.420 but

01:52:11.440 to insult the population

01:52:13.940 by saying

01:52:14.680 no you're a conspiracy theorist

01:52:16.520 it's like

01:52:16.980 I think

01:52:17.920 you're really playing with fire

01:52:19.700 when you do that

01:52:20.220 especially when you

01:52:21.420 said the conspiracy

01:52:22.880 and then now

01:52:23.840 revert to the line

01:52:24.480 it's too much

01:52:25.420 it's too much

01:52:26.260 that is too much

01:52:27.380 do you know

01:52:28.360 I mean can you call Pam Bondi

01:52:29.740 and say

01:52:30.080 I think Pam Bondi

01:52:31.180 is under a ton of pressure

01:52:32.260 again I've always liked Pam Bondi

01:52:33.820 I know her

01:52:34.380 I think she's under

01:52:36.600 enormous pressure

01:52:37.640 you know

01:52:38.620 I don't know how

01:52:39.260 good she is under pressure

01:52:40.820 trying to be nice

01:52:42.220 but

01:52:42.660 I don't think

01:52:43.840 that she's like

01:52:44.280 a sinister person

01:52:45.220 who is

01:52:45.920 you know

01:52:46.740 doing the work

01:52:47.540 of Leon Black

01:52:48.420 and Ehud Barak

01:52:49.500 on purpose really

01:52:50.620 but I

01:52:51.140 I wonder if they know

01:52:52.760 this is a real thing here

01:52:55.440 they have to know

01:52:56.340 and the reason why

01:52:57.280 I think they have to know

01:52:58.220 is that the breadcrumbs

01:52:59.340 that got us to this moment

01:53:00.440 have already been sprinkled

01:53:01.760 Kash Patel testified

01:53:02.860 and said it was suicide

01:53:03.940 went on the Joe Rogan podcast

01:53:05.460 and said

01:53:06.120 if I had that information

01:53:07.260 don't you think I would tell you

01:53:08.140 he killed himself

01:53:09.060 I mean that was

01:53:10.340 basically

01:53:11.140 this was an enshrinement

01:53:12.440 of many of the things

01:53:13.340 that they already put out there

01:53:14.580 that

01:53:15.140 and the

01:53:15.800 criticism

01:53:16.660 and really the outrage

01:53:18.240 over each of those

01:53:19.080 individual comments

01:53:20.140 let's say the

01:53:20.900 so-called Epstein files

01:53:22.200 released with many

01:53:22.900 of the influencers

01:53:23.480 there was outrage

01:53:24.620 at every step

01:53:25.340 so they're not stupid

01:53:26.620 but how can you say

01:53:27.860 that thousands of children

01:53:29.260 were raped

01:53:29.980 but I'm not going to find out

01:53:31.120 who raped them

01:53:31.860 how can you say that

01:53:33.360 I agree

01:53:33.840 I agree completely

01:53:34.480 they said that

01:53:35.240 by the way

01:53:35.560 when Pam Bondi

01:53:36.280 went on television

01:53:36.880 said I have a videotape

01:53:38.500 of kids getting abused

01:53:39.740 I didn't

01:53:40.480 I follow this case closely

01:53:41.580 and I know a lot of the people

01:53:42.820 involved as I've told you

01:53:44.060 I had no idea

01:53:45.780 I didn't know that

01:53:46.920 really thousands of children

01:53:48.380 got raped

01:53:49.040 who raped them

01:53:50.620 where are the rapists

01:53:51.580 like why aren't they in jail

01:53:52.760 this is the Department of Justice

01:53:54.560 yes

01:53:55.100 that is so crazy

01:53:57.820 this is like

01:53:58.440 this is

01:53:59.140 honestly one of the craziest things

01:54:00.940 I've ever seen in my entire life

01:54:02.480 and I just think it's

01:54:04.700 very dangerous

01:54:05.880 to play around with this stuff

01:54:07.340 like very dangerous

01:54:08.540 well it's

01:54:09.080 I don't want a revolution

01:54:10.040 but if you wanted a revolution

01:54:11.360 this is how you would act

01:54:12.240 yes

01:54:12.500 yeah it is

01:54:13.080 because

01:54:13.360 I mean

01:54:14.100 I gave Versailles as an example

01:54:15.800 when you pick the court

01:54:16.860 over and over again

01:54:17.880 and the people start to wake up to that

01:54:19.620 bad things can happen

01:54:20.940 and

01:54:21.380 this is something that I find

01:54:23.340 really disgusting

01:54:24.100 about American elites

01:54:25.280 is that for a long time

01:54:26.940 the American Republic

01:54:28.080 and the elite system

01:54:29.200 has been one that can actually cycle

01:54:31.240 at least some

01:54:32.420 of the wants and the needs

01:54:33.580 of the American voter

01:54:34.520 to basically placate it

01:54:36.020 and keep it

01:54:36.640 from going down the path

01:54:37.860 of fascism

01:54:38.520 and or socialism

01:54:39.300 but when you continue

01:54:40.720 to just double down

01:54:41.820 on the imperium

01:54:42.980 and on what fuels

01:54:44.200 the empire itself

01:54:45.760 and you would keep

01:54:46.880 ignoring all of these things

01:54:48.580 I mean I do think

01:54:49.340 this bill is an important

01:54:50.220 part of that

01:54:50.740 like we're increasing

01:54:51.560 defense spending

01:54:52.220 the empire is not even good

01:54:53.520 at what's supposed to be doing

01:54:54.380 it's causing chaos abroad

01:54:55.900 the military industrial complex

01:54:57.360 is not even good

01:54:58.180 at creating weapons

01:54:59.400 or ammunition

01:55:00.300 the global financial system

01:55:02.240 has been revealed

01:55:02.980 as a complete ruse

01:55:04.060 we sanctioned Russia

01:55:05.180 to death

01:55:05.840 remember

01:55:06.240 we said that they will never rise

01:55:07.780 their economy grew

01:55:09.120 and they were able

01:55:09.840 to increase

01:55:10.340 I tried to tell that story

01:55:11.880 and I went to the Soviet

01:55:13.160 or Soviet Russian

01:55:14.220 grocery store

01:55:15.120 not because I want

01:55:16.320 to live in Russia

01:55:17.060 though it's really nice

01:55:18.660 but to point out

01:55:19.560 that like everything

01:55:20.320 you said was going

01:55:21.540 to happen

01:55:21.800 didn't happen

01:55:22.300 yeah they're doing fine

01:55:23.240 and what's the lesson

01:55:24.100 in that

01:55:24.440 is that you know

01:55:25.180 the ability to produce

01:55:26.720 the goods that you need

01:55:27.840 the ability to produce

01:55:29.220 the energy

01:55:29.720 and to at least

01:55:30.580 have a few allies

01:55:31.680 who also reject

01:55:32.620 the western global

01:55:33.420 financial system

01:55:34.240 is all you need now

01:55:36.060 to stand against

01:55:37.360 the American empire

01:55:38.220 I think that was actually

01:55:39.220 one of the most important

01:55:40.000 things that has ever happened

01:55:41.220 because we threw it all

01:55:42.620 at Russia

01:55:43.160 over the most insignificant

01:55:44.480 conflict

01:55:45.160 involving the United States

01:55:46.500 and what has China

01:55:47.320 been doing now

01:55:47.880 for the last five years

01:55:48.760 just studying

01:55:49.740 since Ukraine

01:55:51.000 they have been studying this

01:55:52.220 and we did it

01:55:52.700 because a small group

01:55:53.560 of foreign policy

01:55:54.420 and government officials

01:55:55.800 deeply care about Ukraine

01:55:58.100 exactly

01:55:58.620 they really care about Ukraine

01:56:00.340 okay

01:56:00.740 that's great

01:56:01.820 I deeply care about

01:56:03.060 Sweden

01:56:03.900 you maybe

01:56:05.460 deeply care about India

01:56:06.740 yeah

01:56:07.560 but you're not driving

01:56:08.860 our foreign policy

01:56:09.620 you know

01:56:09.820 they care about Ukraine

01:56:10.700 for whatever reason

01:56:12.320 but they're imposing

01:56:14.800 that on a country

01:56:15.480 350 million people

01:56:16.760 like are you joking

01:56:17.840 you can't do that

01:56:19.020 it humiliated us really

01:56:20.300 in the eyes of

01:56:20.960 most of our adversaries

01:56:21.860 oh I'm aware

01:56:22.280 because the day

01:56:23.000 that Russia

01:56:23.620 can increase its GDP

01:56:25.060 and can increase

01:56:26.140 its ammunition

01:56:26.800 more than all of NATO

01:56:28.020 while subject

01:56:29.060 to the most devastating

01:56:29.980 sanctions

01:56:30.580 supposedly in the history

01:56:32.180 of the United States

01:56:33.240 that shows

01:56:34.480 that it's all fake

01:56:35.360 and then that's Russia

01:56:36.660 oh I agree

01:56:37.200 which is much smaller

01:56:38.300 and less much of a threat

01:56:39.360 to the United States

01:56:40.120 let's say than any other

01:56:41.160 country in the world

01:56:41.860 and all those other countries

01:56:42.980 are studying this

01:56:43.980 with a fine tooth comb

01:56:46.080 to sanction proof themselves

01:56:47.560 so when the time comes

01:56:48.900 that we're really affected

01:56:49.880 and this affects me

01:56:51.000 and you

01:56:51.500 and my kid

01:56:52.540 or your kids

01:56:53.420 that

01:56:54.080 we're going to have

01:56:54.760 a real problem

01:56:55.420 I couldn't agree more

01:56:56.640 and to spend a trillion dollars

01:56:58.220 on something that's not working

01:56:59.520 I mean I guess

01:57:00.560 of all the money

01:57:01.160 you could spend

01:57:01.600 spending in the military

01:57:02.300 decent people in the military

01:57:03.640 some really good people

01:57:04.700 if it actually went to them

01:57:05.620 that'd be fine

01:57:06.180 but it's not

01:57:06.720 as you and I know

01:57:07.460 I read the other day

01:57:08.380 this analysis from someone

01:57:09.540 I know who's really smart

01:57:10.560 and it was

01:57:11.180 and the question was

01:57:12.520 will the United States

01:57:14.340 use nuclear bunker busters

01:57:16.160 in Iran

01:57:16.700 okay

01:57:17.280 so that would

01:57:18.020 for many reasons

01:57:19.300 be

01:57:19.700 you know

01:57:20.020 the first time

01:57:20.420 nuclear weapons

01:57:20.880 have been used

01:57:21.240 in 80 years

01:57:22.080 kind of a big deal

01:57:22.820 so

01:57:24.220 I don't think anyone

01:57:25.740 wants that particular

01:57:27.020 Rubicon to be crossed

01:57:27.780 so I

01:57:28.520 I was like

01:57:29.460 wow

01:57:29.720 I wonder if that's going to happen

01:57:30.620 so I call around

01:57:31.660 and the answer I got

01:57:33.060 which I think is true

01:57:33.740 we don't have any

01:57:35.420 nuclear bunker busters

01:57:36.240 and because we're not

01:57:38.820 good at building anything

01:57:39.720 we're not going to have them

01:57:40.960 for quite some time

01:57:41.620 now I haven't verified that

01:57:43.760 but I got that

01:57:44.380 I mean I think that's true

01:57:45.700 that's insane

01:57:47.820 now I don't want to use

01:57:48.840 nuclear bunker busters

01:57:49.660 nor should we

01:57:50.180 at all

01:57:50.660 and apparently it was

01:57:51.800 George W. Bush

01:57:52.580 who said we shouldn't

01:57:53.500 so you know

01:57:54.280 there's a rare win

01:57:55.500 for the Bush team

01:57:56.240 thank you George W. Bush

01:57:57.420 but

01:57:58.220 if that's true

01:58:00.340 you spend a trillion dollars

01:58:01.800 and you don't even have

01:58:02.300 a nuclear bunker buster

01:58:03.200 I mean that's the least

01:58:04.060 of our problems

01:58:04.540 we don't have basic ammunition

01:58:05.720 no I'm aware

01:58:06.640 it's like the level

01:58:07.800 of dysfunction

01:58:08.260 is so overwhelming

01:58:09.840 that

01:58:10.880 and that's the military

01:58:12.040 which you gotta assume

01:58:13.480 is more functional

01:58:14.280 than say the Department

01:58:15.200 of Transportation

01:58:15.820 or Energy

01:58:16.480 or Commerce

01:58:16.960 or Interior

01:58:17.440 it's like gotta be

01:58:18.220 one of the most

01:58:19.120 functional departments

01:58:20.240 at least they actually

01:58:21.200 pass a marksmanship test

01:58:22.940 occasionally

01:58:23.640 yeah

01:58:24.040 then things are really

01:58:26.140 in disarray

01:58:26.760 and we actually need reform

01:58:28.240 yes

01:58:28.620 like immediate reform

01:58:30.980 because I mean

01:58:31.860 I just think

01:58:32.460 I don't know

01:58:33.280 I've almost come

01:58:34.200 to the conclusion

01:58:34.820 it's like we're either

01:58:35.680 gonna have to hit

01:58:36.420 a financial crisis

01:58:37.400 or a war

01:58:37.940 that's really the only time

01:58:39.200 anything changes

01:58:40.100 I think people feel that

01:58:40.440 so what

01:58:40.960 where do things go politically

01:58:42.620 a lot of that

01:58:44.060 depends on Donald Trump

01:58:44.980 and how he handles

01:58:46.100 his meeting

01:58:46.700 with Prime Minister Netanyahu

01:58:48.140 and the next coming years

01:58:50.560 because

01:58:50.960 and this is why

01:58:51.940 I was so concerned

01:58:53.040 about Iran

01:58:53.560 and I think

01:58:54.040 you were too

01:58:55.000 and also why

01:58:55.920 the people

01:58:56.280 crowing victory

01:58:57.640 in my opinion

01:58:58.540 will look stupid

01:58:59.220 is

01:58:59.920 and I listened

01:59:00.900 to your entire interview

01:59:01.680 with the president

01:59:02.860 of Iran

01:59:03.400 it's a very important interview

01:59:04.420 at the very least

01:59:05.580 because whether he means it

01:59:06.740 or not

01:59:07.020 he's trying to telegraph

01:59:07.900 for peace

01:59:08.400 and not only trying

01:59:09.760 to telegraph for peace

01:59:10.680 naming Israel

01:59:11.640 as the prime

01:59:12.240 as a prime provocateur

01:59:13.360 wanting better relations

01:59:14.880 here with the United States

01:59:15.960 of America

01:59:16.440 but also concerned

01:59:17.800 about the fact

01:59:18.760 that at least according

01:59:19.640 to our president

01:59:20.400 diplomacy was at least

01:59:21.840 used in some way

01:59:22.900 either afterwards

01:59:23.960 taking credit for

01:59:24.680 or at least the perspective

01:59:25.940 was given

01:59:26.420 it was used as a ruse

01:59:27.720 which will undermine

01:59:28.580 our ability

01:59:29.120 to future negotiate

01:59:29.960 let's say

01:59:30.940 you are Iran

01:59:31.680 which in my opinion

01:59:32.980 what I took away

01:59:33.620 from this

01:59:34.000 is despite all

01:59:34.980 of the

01:59:35.300 they're genocidal

01:59:36.980 terrorists

01:59:37.540 who want to kill us all

01:59:38.500 they acted highly rationally

01:59:40.140 they only struck Israel

01:59:41.200 they fired 14 bases

01:59:43.200 you know

01:59:43.760 at the US

01:59:44.640 14 missiles

01:59:45.560 at the US base

01:59:46.300 they gave us

01:59:47.040 preemptive notice

01:59:48.580 they immediately

01:59:49.340 then called it off

01:59:50.220 willing to sign

01:59:51.060 a ceasefire

01:59:51.700 he seemed

01:59:52.580 at the very least

01:59:53.420 his ability

01:59:53.860 to telegraph rationality

01:59:55.180 in his interview

01:59:55.680 with you

01:59:56.120 what I take away

01:59:57.080 from that then

01:59:57.660 is rationally

01:59:58.760 if you are

01:59:59.320 the country of Iran

02:00:00.180 and you look

02:00:01.220 at the history

02:00:01.740 now

02:00:02.400 and the context

02:00:03.220 in which this

02:00:03.700 has now happened

02:00:04.300 I don't see

02:00:05.660 how 30 years

02:00:06.560 from now

02:00:06.960 we either don't

02:00:07.860 have an actual

02:00:09.180 nuclear armed Iran

02:00:10.320 or regime change

02:00:11.460 because every

02:00:12.940 single time

02:00:14.340 let's even look

02:00:15.220 at Israel's operations

02:00:16.460 in 1981

02:00:17.220 I'm sure you remember

02:00:18.260 Israel took out

02:00:19.640 Iraq's nuclear program

02:00:21.080 or at least

02:00:21.660 severely damaged it

02:00:23.100 a reactor

02:00:23.880 now that was sold

02:00:25.280 it was a one time

02:00:26.440 operation

02:00:26.940 by the way

02:00:27.660 do you remember

02:00:28.100 that the Reagan

02:00:28.660 administration

02:00:29.160 denounced it

02:00:29.840 and we actually

02:00:30.720 paused shipments

02:00:32.520 I believe

02:00:32.900 of F-14s

02:00:33.720 to the country

02:00:34.260 why

02:00:34.780 because we saw

02:00:35.380 it as an outrageous

02:00:36.060 move

02:00:36.520 which was

02:00:36.920 destabilizing

02:00:37.720 relations

02:00:39.060 Ronald Reagan

02:00:39.860 everybody

02:00:40.300 you know

02:00:41.060 not some known

02:00:41.920 anti-Semite

02:00:42.720 but of course

02:00:43.440 we're not allowed

02:00:43.860 to know our history

02:00:44.560 the point though

02:00:45.680 is that

02:00:46.520 that preemptive

02:00:47.600 strike in 1981

02:00:48.660 did it stop

02:00:50.000 the United States

02:00:50.740 from invading Iraq

02:00:51.760 in 2003

02:00:52.560 for an operation

02:00:53.300 and regime change

02:00:54.040 sold on the lie

02:00:54.800 of WMD

02:00:55.500 the point is

02:00:56.740 is that it actually

02:00:57.400 hardened Saddam's resolve

02:00:58.780 to at least create

02:00:59.840 the impression

02:01:00.440 of having nuclear weapons

02:01:01.740 and for a time

02:01:03.080 actually amassing

02:01:04.000 other so-called

02:01:04.840 weapons of mass destruction

02:01:06.100 it hardened

02:01:07.500 the you know

02:01:08.300 want of Syria

02:01:09.380 in 2007

02:01:10.100 when they did

02:01:10.760 something similar

02:01:11.440 if you look

02:01:12.400 at the history

02:01:12.880 here now

02:01:13.440 of the so-called

02:01:14.680 preemptive strike

02:01:15.540 from Israel

02:01:16.000 known as the

02:01:16.600 Begin Doctrine

02:01:17.300 around nuclear weapons

02:01:18.400 in the Middle East

02:01:19.480 every time

02:01:20.300 there's a strike

02:01:21.020 eventually

02:01:21.940 it leads to

02:01:22.480 regime change

02:01:23.200 so Iraq

02:01:24.260 regime change

02:01:25.440 Syria

02:01:26.100 regime change

02:01:27.300 with Libya

02:01:28.020 of course

02:01:28.440 they had all kinds

02:01:29.080 of stuff going on

02:01:29.780 with the Libyan program

02:01:30.920 Gaddafi did the smart thing

02:01:32.420 at what he thought

02:01:33.340 at the time

02:01:33.800 gave up his nuclear weapons

02:01:35.480 and what happened to him

02:01:36.640 he was

02:01:37.300 you know

02:01:38.140 literally sodomized

02:01:39.260 on camera

02:01:39.840 it was

02:01:40.400 what

02:01:41.320 eight years later

02:01:42.240 by the United States

02:01:43.440 of America

02:01:43.940 so

02:01:44.580 the history of that

02:01:46.100 in the region

02:01:46.780 should really

02:01:47.780 you have to be

02:01:48.860 very stupid

02:01:49.520 not to look

02:01:50.240 at every single

02:01:50.940 one of those instances

02:01:51.740 and say

02:01:52.660 yeah I don't know

02:01:53.840 about whether

02:01:54.480 dealing with the

02:01:55.120 United States

02:01:55.800 or Israel here

02:01:56.960 in this context

02:01:57.860 is one that I can trust

02:01:59.340 in fact I should

02:01:59.920 probably just go

02:02:00.460 get a nuclear weapon

02:02:01.280 let's take the only

02:02:02.480 member of the axis

02:02:03.380 of evil today

02:02:03.960 that has never been

02:02:04.500 bombed by the United

02:02:05.220 States of America

02:02:05.940 North Korea

02:02:06.820 I saw a book

02:02:07.680 about Kim Jong-il

02:02:08.420 behind you

02:02:08.960 and I've recently

02:02:11.340 had this theory

02:02:11.880 I'm like

02:02:12.120 is Kim Jong-il

02:02:12.800 one of the most

02:02:13.280 vindicated men

02:02:14.120 in history

02:02:14.620 he was seen

02:02:15.880 as an insane person

02:02:17.380 remember the movies

02:02:18.600 and his liquor

02:02:19.780 very well yeah

02:02:20.660 his fundamental insight

02:02:22.760 in 2002

02:02:23.460 was no

02:02:24.520 we don't trust

02:02:25.480 these people

02:02:25.940 we have to sprint

02:02:27.160 to a nuke

02:02:27.660 we're getting

02:02:28.420 the H-bomb

02:02:29.040 we're testing

02:02:29.920 underground

02:02:30.460 we will establish

02:02:31.480 a credible

02:02:31.900 nuclear deterrent

02:02:32.740 he dies

02:02:33.860 and his son

02:02:34.700 immediately pours

02:02:35.840 all state resources

02:02:36.880 into creating

02:02:37.900 an ICBM

02:02:38.680 and a credible

02:02:39.300 nuclear threat

02:02:40.900 to the United States

02:02:41.740 of America

02:02:42.080 capable of hitting

02:02:43.100 the United States

02:02:43.720 homeland

02:02:44.000 and he

02:02:44.940 in my opinion

02:02:45.940 my belief

02:02:47.160 is Kim Jong-un

02:02:47.920 will die of natural

02:02:48.840 causes in his own bed

02:02:49.840 because of that decision

02:02:50.920 that is

02:02:52.000 the only way

02:02:53.220 to assure

02:02:54.000 that the United States

02:02:55.040 will not mess with you

02:02:56.240 and now

02:02:56.880 actually what Israel

02:02:58.120 has created

02:02:58.700 is a situation

02:02:59.720 where the highly

02:03:00.780 rational

02:03:01.440 you know

02:03:02.060 the highly rational

02:03:02.820 decision

02:03:03.240 after your entire

02:03:04.900 military infrastructure

02:03:06.380 has been

02:03:06.700 you know

02:03:07.260 infiltrated by Mossad

02:03:08.460 you've walked

02:03:09.180 with impunity

02:03:09.760 you've seen diplomacy

02:03:10.660 used as a ruse

02:03:11.580 I don't see how

02:03:13.060 we can't either

02:03:14.140 go down the regime

02:03:15.140 change path again

02:03:16.040 and

02:03:16.780 or have a nuclear

02:03:18.160 Iran

02:03:18.560 now

02:03:19.180 on top of this

02:03:20.080 of course

02:03:20.420 is Israeli action

02:03:21.300 Prime Minister Netanyahu

02:03:22.500 according to the Jerusalem Post

02:03:23.980 which is

02:03:25.120 you know

02:03:25.500 an Israeli media outlet

02:03:26.800 they write

02:03:27.680 that Prime Minister Netanyahu

02:03:28.720 one of the chief things

02:03:29.520 he wants to secure

02:03:30.380 from President Trump

02:03:31.680 is the ability

02:03:32.580 to conduct

02:03:33.140 preemptive strikes

02:03:34.040 anytime he wants

02:03:35.300 on the Iranian nuclear program

02:03:36.600 which of course

02:03:37.320 we were told

02:03:37.780 was destroyed

02:03:38.400 if it was destroyed

02:03:39.300 I'm not sure

02:03:39.720 why we need more

02:03:40.380 preemptive strikes

02:03:41.260 but he wants

02:03:41.900 a rolling green light

02:03:42.980 for the future

02:03:43.640 to be able to go in

02:03:44.880 and take any things

02:03:45.840 out at the time

02:03:47.040 which of course

02:03:47.680 would only harden

02:03:48.660 the strategic resolve

02:03:49.600 of that country

02:03:50.160 if they wanted

02:03:50.780 it can't be done alone

02:03:52.200 of course not

02:03:52.920 which they proved

02:03:53.700 they actually proved

02:03:54.400 that to us

02:03:55.040 when they said

02:03:55.920 we need you to come in

02:03:57.040 and finish the job

02:03:57.920 and to protect our homeland

02:03:59.840 from ballistic missiles

02:04:01.460 raining down on our cities

02:04:02.640 so any Israeli

02:04:05.120 and by the way

02:04:06.660 I come at this

02:04:07.400 you feel like you have to say it

02:04:08.640 because you don't want

02:04:09.180 to be called a bigot again

02:04:10.440 but like

02:04:11.100 just in general

02:04:12.200 I approve of

02:04:13.940 and certainly understand

02:04:14.960 every country's

02:04:16.020 obligation to act

02:04:17.380 in its own interest

02:04:17.980 including defensively

02:04:18.960 so I'm not even contesting

02:04:20.940 Israel's right

02:04:21.440 to be worried about Iran

02:04:22.300 they probably should be

02:04:23.240 however

02:04:24.460 every strike

02:04:27.060 by Israel

02:04:27.760 on Iran

02:04:28.320 by definition

02:04:29.660 requires the involvement

02:04:31.000 of the US military

02:04:31.860 so we're getting

02:04:34.560 signed up

02:04:35.320 for an endless war

02:04:36.760 with Iran

02:04:37.460 and at that point

02:04:39.700 it's like

02:04:40.060 no

02:04:40.220 this is my country

02:04:41.620 no

02:04:42.600 but like

02:04:44.760 I'm getting

02:04:45.980 this is what I was

02:04:47.380 saying about radicalism

02:04:48.080 this is the kind of thing

02:04:48.920 that could make you

02:04:49.680 radical

02:04:50.680 right

02:04:51.620 yes

02:04:52.200 and it's bad for us

02:04:53.340 it's also bad for them

02:04:54.280 I mean let's take

02:04:55.000 the April operation

02:04:55.960 a lot of people forget this

02:04:57.100 why did Iran

02:04:58.260 in April of 2024

02:04:59.600 launch all those

02:05:01.180 ballistic missiles

02:05:01.940 at Israel

02:05:02.620 it's because Israel

02:05:03.720 bombed

02:05:04.560 an Iranian embassy

02:05:05.960 in the middle of Syria

02:05:07.280 now according to them

02:05:08.280 it was an IRGC

02:05:09.480 command center

02:05:10.640 maybe

02:05:11.660 I would say

02:05:13.280 there are CIA officers

02:05:14.440 present in every

02:05:15.200 US embassy in the world

02:05:16.720 so I don't particularly

02:05:18.260 want to open up

02:05:18.920 that bag of worms

02:05:19.600 I think there's spies

02:05:20.820 in literally every

02:05:21.920 diplomatic mission

02:05:22.920 including in Washington

02:05:24.140 which probably

02:05:25.480 crossed paths

02:05:26.060 with many of those

02:05:26.640 I don't think those

02:05:27.500 are legitimate targets

02:05:28.440 nor should they be

02:05:29.060 we shouldn't open that up

02:05:30.200 well

02:05:30.660 it was because of that action

02:05:32.460 that they knew

02:05:33.280 would invite an Iranian response

02:05:34.800 that Iran then launched

02:05:36.180 those ballistic missiles

02:05:37.020 against Israel

02:05:37.780 but who shot down

02:05:38.620 all those missiles

02:05:39.200 allowed to bomb

02:05:39.800 people's embassies

02:05:40.780 yes that's

02:05:41.260 well according to them

02:05:42.280 as long as you designated

02:05:43.440 a terrorist

02:05:44.100 you know base

02:05:45.160 by your own definition

02:05:46.660 I don't even know

02:05:47.640 if the United States

02:05:48.300 ever actually technically

02:05:49.060 signed off on that

02:05:49.900 analysis

02:05:50.600 you're able to do that

02:05:51.900 there have to be

02:05:52.420 some limits

02:05:53.140 mutually agreed upon

02:05:53.960 limits to behavior

02:05:54.900 you can't just

02:05:55.840 shoot someone

02:05:56.840 for pissing you off

02:05:57.840 right

02:05:58.020 okay

02:05:58.340 you can't shoot up churches

02:06:00.160 including the church

02:06:00.920 of the nativity

02:06:01.420 in Bethlehem

02:06:02.120 and you can't bomb

02:06:03.140 embassies

02:06:03.660 or else your embassies

02:06:04.660 and your churches

02:06:05.300 or your synagogues

02:06:06.160 or your mosques

02:06:07.200 or whatever

02:06:07.600 they're all fair game

02:06:08.320 and like you want to live

02:06:09.140 in that world

02:06:09.680 right

02:06:09.920 it would be rightfully

02:06:10.600 denounced as terrorism

02:06:11.460 if that were done

02:06:12.420 there's got to be some limit

02:06:13.420 what's the limit

02:06:14.000 and even more big than that

02:06:15.780 what I said at the time

02:06:16.940 was one of the reasons

02:06:17.920 I didn't want us

02:06:19.180 to defend Israel

02:06:20.020 is I know

02:06:20.980 that if they didn't think

02:06:22.360 that the U.S.

02:06:22.980 would come in and defend them

02:06:23.780 then they never would have

02:06:24.620 done it in the first place

02:06:25.580 is that it would have

02:06:26.560 restricted their freedom

02:06:27.780 of action

02:06:28.300 and the freedom of action

02:06:29.220 of the Iranians

02:06:29.920 and the most likely

02:06:31.100 outcome between that

02:06:32.100 was probably some sort

02:06:33.480 of diplomatic solution

02:06:34.460 if they were actually

02:06:35.600 forced to deal

02:06:36.220 with this problem

02:06:36.880 on their own terms

02:06:38.000 without the big brother

02:06:39.220 United States

02:06:40.060 or at the very least

02:06:41.040 the big brother

02:06:41.460 United States

02:06:42.040 equally distributed

02:06:43.300 to both parties

02:06:44.240 in regards to trying

02:06:45.500 to bring peace

02:06:46.120 and balance

02:06:46.660 to the region

02:06:47.340 but it's our unending

02:06:48.740 and unquestioning support

02:06:50.140 which enables

02:06:51.400 Israeli belligerent action

02:06:53.420 in the region

02:06:54.020 which then invites blowback

02:06:55.680 both on them

02:06:56.760 but also on us

02:06:57.960 I lived during

02:06:59.480 the 12 day war

02:07:00.340 with the United States

02:07:01.680 government warning me

02:07:02.680 about terrorist attacks

02:07:03.580 in my homeland

02:07:04.360 that is like

02:07:05.420 2005 red terror levels

02:07:07.560 remember flying back then

02:07:08.960 very well

02:07:09.420 and that is a psychological

02:07:11.360 toll on our population

02:07:13.520 which was literally

02:07:15.340 being done

02:07:15.960 for a foreign country

02:07:16.960 and worrying

02:07:17.880 about every U.S. citizen

02:07:19.100 there are millions

02:07:19.780 of United States citizens

02:07:20.680 who live abroad

02:07:21.820 who were told

02:07:22.320 that they had to

02:07:22.980 be careful

02:07:23.780 and going about

02:07:24.780 their daily business

02:07:25.620 in whatever country

02:07:26.420 they happen to be in

02:07:27.340 now let's say

02:07:28.160 that's in response

02:07:28.920 to 9-11

02:07:29.320 okay we can justify that

02:07:30.900 in terms of what

02:07:31.560 the United States

02:07:32.400 is doing after being

02:07:33.340 attacked on our homeland

02:07:34.700 but for another

02:07:35.680 as you said

02:07:36.540 it's too much

02:07:37.340 it can lead to radicalization

02:07:38.840 I'm trying to resist

02:07:39.700 that pull

02:07:40.200 and what I'm trying

02:07:41.300 to do here

02:07:41.980 on my show as well

02:07:42.900 is to talk all about

02:07:44.180 this in a rational way

02:07:45.700 that's why I talk

02:07:46.380 about Switzerland

02:07:46.940 and Chile

02:07:47.440 just to put it in context

02:07:49.000 who this country is

02:07:50.300 and what we allegedly

02:07:51.380 get out of it

02:07:52.060 let's remove

02:07:53.000 all of the veneer

02:07:54.380 and the smears

02:07:55.880 and everything else

02:07:56.720 and let's just talk

02:07:57.780 in our own terms

02:07:59.080 and I have found that

02:08:00.280 to be the enemy

02:08:01.220 of the Ukraine discourse

02:08:03.280 of Israel discourse

02:08:04.700 of so much of the way

02:08:06.060 that we orient ourselves

02:08:06.980 I mean you know

02:08:07.920 I always think about

02:08:08.660 the Munich Security Conference

02:08:09.620 what?

02:08:10.620 why?

02:08:11.200 why are we obsessed

02:08:11.940 with the Munich Security Conference?

02:08:13.540 Asia is 50% of GDP

02:08:15.140 in 2030

02:08:15.960 we should be going

02:08:16.920 to the Singapore

02:08:17.580 Security Conference

02:08:18.400 and that's the only one

02:08:19.600 that actually should matter

02:08:20.460 but why do they all

02:08:21.500 go to Munich?

02:08:22.420 oh because they like Munich

02:08:23.240 they like Europe

02:08:23.900 they like going on vacation

02:08:24.880 a lot of them have studied there

02:08:26.180 they have this cultural affinity

02:08:27.220 I get it

02:08:27.980 I'm not saying

02:08:28.500 that shouldn't matter at all

02:08:29.720 but you know

02:08:30.820 our forward looking leaders

02:08:32.720 even back in the 1930s and 40s

02:08:34.780 always had

02:08:35.940 a very clear eyed view

02:08:37.540 of the ability

02:08:38.540 to balance

02:08:39.160 what was actually

02:08:40.080 in US strategic interests

02:08:41.540 and I think

02:08:42.280 we really lost that

02:08:43.600 from the 1990s

02:08:44.880 unipolar moment onwards

02:08:45.940 and I'm watching it happen again

02:08:47.680 so you know

02:08:48.980 you asked me

02:08:49.360 where this thing goes

02:08:50.100 it's all

02:08:50.980 basically

02:08:51.860 it's on Trump

02:08:53.120 and his relationship

02:08:53.760 with Bibi

02:08:54.200 I actually think

02:08:55.420 he's gambling

02:08:55.900 his entire presidency

02:08:56.920 on all of that

02:08:58.220 right now

02:08:58.760 yeah

02:08:59.600 and you know

02:09:00.980 I have no idea

02:09:01.600 what's going to happen

02:09:02.420 I believe they're meeting

02:09:04.180 as we're speaking

02:09:05.000 I know them both

02:09:06.960 and I

02:09:08.120 you know

02:09:08.860 but I don't know

02:09:09.500 but

02:09:10.300 I've got to say

02:09:11.560 of all

02:09:12.560 the kind of

02:09:13.940 filthy disasters

02:09:15.040 in the world

02:09:15.700 the one that I would

02:09:16.380 want to stay away from

02:09:17.420 with the most

02:09:18.780 enthusiasm

02:09:19.380 is Gaza

02:09:20.440 yeah

02:09:20.820 so how is it

02:09:22.220 that it's

02:09:22.780 America's responsibility

02:09:24.680 to unfuck Gaza

02:09:25.920 yes

02:09:27.020 and that was the plan

02:09:27.900 from day one

02:09:28.420 and what's happened

02:09:29.220 in Gaza

02:09:29.600 is not defensible

02:09:31.460 it's too much

02:09:32.560 I mean

02:09:33.280 these

02:09:33.520 Harret said

02:09:34.680 17,000 children

02:09:36.380 have been killed in Gaza

02:09:37.200 17,000

02:09:37.980 I had to read it twice

02:09:38.840 they said that

02:09:39.980 so you know

02:09:40.960 I'm just citing them

02:09:41.920 there are lots of other estimates

02:09:42.920 but we'll just go with the

02:09:43.760 no let's go with the Israeli press

02:09:45.020 which are often more critical

02:09:46.220 than ours

02:09:46.680 right exactly

02:09:47.340 well they're way more critical

02:09:48.460 than ours

02:09:48.920 but let's just go with that

02:09:50.660 like I

02:09:51.480 I think that that's

02:09:53.040 immoral as a Christian

02:09:54.020 I'm very offended

02:09:54.740 there were by the way

02:09:55.500 Christians among those

02:09:56.660 killed there

02:09:57.880 they did nothing wrong

02:09:59.040 I'm offended by that

02:10:01.880 but even if I

02:10:02.720 supported that

02:10:03.920 which I don't

02:10:04.600 I would say

02:10:05.740 I don't

02:10:06.520 I don't think I want to have

02:10:07.520 anything to do with that

02:10:08.260 I don't want to be tied to that

02:10:09.220 why should I take responsibility

02:10:10.400 for your crime

02:10:11.400 President Biden

02:10:12.180 sent his humanitarian

02:10:13.180 aid float show

02:10:14.260 remember that cost

02:10:15.160 probably at least

02:10:16.500 a quarter billion dollars

02:10:17.980 that entire deployment

02:10:18.940 almost did nothing

02:10:19.840 currently American contractors

02:10:21.840 I'm sure you saw this

02:10:23.120 are involved in this

02:10:24.460 food aid scheme

02:10:25.840 which appears to basically

02:10:27.320 just be like

02:10:28.180 look I mean

02:10:28.980 I have to be honest here

02:10:29.920 it almost seems like

02:10:30.560 a literal trap

02:10:31.320 like there are hundreds

02:10:32.260 of Palestinians

02:10:32.880 who have literally been killed

02:10:34.020 trying to get food

02:10:35.120 is this the one run by

02:10:36.000 an American evangelical preacher

02:10:37.480 I believe so

02:10:38.500 I mean it's these

02:10:38.980 American contractors

02:10:40.040 and this is set up

02:10:40.860 through the United States

02:10:41.460 government

02:10:41.800 and all these private

02:10:42.560 foundations

02:10:43.380 and I know this can get difficult

02:10:44.900 by the way

02:10:45.480 even talking about this

02:10:46.660 I recently saw referred to

02:10:48.060 as a literal blood libel

02:10:49.380 is to mention the fact

02:10:50.820 that people who were coming

02:10:52.000 for aid

02:10:52.500 were literally gunned down

02:10:53.800 and murdered

02:10:54.260 that's supposedly a blood libel

02:10:56.040 against the Jewish people

02:10:57.880 like again

02:10:58.660 remove your rhetoric

02:10:59.840 and let's talk in the realm

02:11:00.960 of facts

02:11:01.460 your own newspapers

02:11:03.100 are reporting the fact

02:11:04.380 that hundreds of civilians

02:11:06.040 were killed

02:11:06.460 trying to get aid

02:11:07.320 in Gaza

02:11:08.060 I'm repeating what

02:11:09.040 your Israeli press is saying

02:11:10.220 I'm repeating what

02:11:11.160 the independent press is saying

02:11:12.220 what the people in Gaza

02:11:14.020 are saying as well

02:11:15.260 to the extent that there's any

02:11:16.480 independent oversight

02:11:17.820 of this whatsoever

02:11:19.080 and let's return to the question

02:11:20.920 of I think

02:11:21.620 what both of our orientation

02:11:22.580 is is this good for our country

02:11:24.240 I would say no

02:11:25.260 you know you can talk

02:11:26.280 in the realm spiritually

02:11:27.120 I would also just talk

02:11:28.900 in the realm

02:11:29.400 we can talk in the realm

02:11:30.320 spiritually

02:11:30.820 and like kind of

02:11:31.500 what that means

02:11:32.320 to normalize

02:11:33.460 saying let's kill children

02:11:34.660 like Congressman Randy Fine

02:11:36.080 or other members

02:11:37.320 who are like openly celebrated

02:11:38.800 and think it's like a good thing

02:11:40.180 but we can even talk

02:11:41.680 about what we said

02:11:42.780 about national interest

02:11:44.260 is it healthy

02:11:45.340 is it normal

02:11:46.160 to be obsessed

02:11:47.540 with the way

02:11:49.660 with defending supposedly

02:11:51.220 the most moral army

02:11:52.260 in the world

02:11:53.140 when almost every

02:11:54.340 counterterrorism

02:11:55.240 and Iraq war veteran

02:11:56.500 I know

02:11:56.980 would be ashamed

02:11:58.240 to have fought this way

02:11:59.380 in the global war on terror

02:12:00.740 American troops

02:12:01.660 look we made a lot of mistakes

02:12:03.020 but you cannot fault

02:12:04.220 the American soldier

02:12:05.200 or the American marine

02:12:06.540 or the American airman

02:12:07.480 for not

02:12:08.380 at many times

02:12:09.980 putting their own lives

02:12:11.040 on the line

02:12:11.560 and many losing them

02:12:12.980 to protect Iraqi

02:12:14.200 and Afghan civilians

02:12:15.460 in fact often

02:12:16.560 that was a core part

02:12:17.780 of our mission

02:12:18.660 and they would

02:12:19.560 you know look

02:12:20.220 I don't think it was worth it

02:12:21.660 but when required

02:12:23.620 they were willing to do so

02:12:24.940 and I haven't seen that

02:12:26.160 in the way that this war

02:12:27.120 has been conducted

02:12:27.540 I haven't either

02:12:28.180 but I don't understand

02:12:30.240 why we would take responsibility

02:12:33.380 for fixing Gaza

02:12:34.500 I mean that's

02:12:35.840 we can't fix Baltimore

02:12:37.580 for real

02:12:39.480 you're right

02:12:40.360 why should we

02:12:42.140 and this has been

02:12:42.720 the plan from day one

02:12:43.540 that's what I was going to say

02:12:45.000 is remember

02:12:45.640 back in November 2023

02:12:47.460 even shortly after

02:12:48.780 October 7th

02:12:49.700 Israeli Knesset members

02:12:50.720 and others were writing

02:12:51.360 in the Wall Street Journal

02:12:52.120 actually it's the United States

02:12:53.440 that should take in people

02:12:54.460 from Gaza

02:12:55.380 after we expel them

02:12:56.740 or it's American contractors

02:12:57.780 so the people of Gaza

02:12:58.400 are so dangerous

02:12:59.360 every person in Gaza

02:13:00.740 including the children

02:13:01.740 they're all terrorists

02:13:02.600 because it's genetic

02:13:03.540 they've been saying that

02:13:05.020 it's genetic

02:13:05.980 what are we even talking about

02:13:08.260 like what kind of

02:13:09.060 what is this

02:13:09.960 it's genetic

02:13:11.000 I can think of a

02:13:12.120 a widely discredited

02:13:14.000 political movement in Europe

02:13:15.220 that used to talk like that

02:13:16.740 it's genetic

02:13:17.620 whatever

02:13:17.980 anyway

02:13:18.260 but they're too dangerous

02:13:20.180 to live next to

02:13:20.720 we can't even have them

02:13:21.460 in the region

02:13:22.020 you guys

02:13:23.140 you guys need to take them

02:13:24.260 that is the purest expression

02:13:25.560 of contempt for the United States

02:13:26.700 I can imagine

02:13:27.300 and that was step one

02:13:28.180 step two

02:13:28.920 was all of these broad plans

02:13:30.720 about US peacekeepers

02:13:32.220 now it's broadly evolved

02:13:33.740 they're mostly trying to pass it off

02:13:35.160 on the Gulf

02:13:36.020 but as you and I know

02:13:37.000 there's no Gulf military

02:13:38.020 that could potentially occupy Gaza

02:13:39.820 it would of course

02:13:40.500 either have to be fully funded

02:13:41.940 by the United States of America

02:13:43.100 or probably would result

02:13:44.340 in some sort of US troop presence

02:13:46.240 in Jordan

02:13:46.820 serving as the supply mission

02:13:48.440 with some sort of

02:13:49.420 never ending deployment

02:13:50.520 that would put people at risk

02:13:51.680 just like our current occupation

02:13:53.380 in Syria

02:13:54.000 where we continue to have

02:13:55.220 hundreds of troops

02:13:55.860 for what?

02:13:56.900 if anybody thinks

02:13:57.720 you and I are conspiracy theorists

02:13:59.060 let's not forget

02:14:00.020 that after this

02:14:00.880 Israeli backed

02:14:02.000 Al Qaeda takeover

02:14:03.100 of Syria

02:14:04.040 which was

02:14:05.020 I guess US and Israeli backed

02:14:06.880 Al Qaeda takeover

02:14:08.080 of Syria

02:14:08.560 that the current

02:14:09.540 there are current negotiations

02:14:10.980 between the Israeli

02:14:11.620 and US government

02:14:12.300 right now

02:14:12.940 this is out in the open

02:14:14.020 about the United States

02:14:15.420 actually filling in areas

02:14:17.220 of Syria

02:14:18.240 that were taken over

02:14:19.300 by Israel

02:14:19.900 and occupying them

02:14:21.460 as some sort of safe zone

02:14:23.260 between Syria

02:14:24.340 and between Israel

02:14:25.520 and again

02:14:26.100 first of all

02:14:26.960 this is a government

02:14:27.580 supported by Israel

02:14:28.740 and I guess

02:14:29.200 by the United States now

02:14:30.400 at this point

02:14:31.280 so why do the troops

02:14:32.120 even need to be there

02:14:33.020 also we were told

02:14:34.720 that we have to

02:14:35.640 stand up against countries

02:14:37.240 seizing territory

02:14:38.480 like Putin and Ukraine

02:14:39.600 I've literally watched

02:14:41.160 the Greater Israel Project

02:14:42.260 march forward

02:14:43.220 you know

02:14:43.840 in the last two years

02:14:45.280 into Syria

02:14:46.500 of course

02:14:47.180 West Bank

02:14:47.860 and now with Gaza

02:14:49.400 and the expansionist behavior there

02:14:52.280 which we just don't talk about here

02:14:54.500 at all

02:14:55.260 it's like

02:14:56.140 seems like a violation

02:14:57.060 of our norms

02:14:57.720 it violates every norm

02:15:00.140 that we have

02:15:01.040 about the way

02:15:01.540 that a civilized nation

02:15:02.720 were to conduct itself

02:15:04.200 it's what we condemn

02:15:05.480 and sanction

02:15:05.820 isn't that why

02:15:06.220 we're fighting Russia

02:15:07.080 exactly

02:15:07.500 and that's where

02:15:08.740 the hypocrisy of it

02:15:09.860 collapses in and of itself

02:15:11.720 and the only way

02:15:13.400 it's justifiable

02:15:14.080 is earlier

02:15:15.500 what we referred to

02:15:16.460 this like

02:15:16.880 bastardized Christian

02:15:18.640 and rabbinical

02:15:19.580 theological doctrine

02:15:21.060 my favorite was

02:15:22.400 the former U.S. ambassador

02:15:23.720 David Friedman

02:15:24.500 trying to lecture you

02:15:25.900 about Christian theology

02:15:27.500 yeah

02:15:27.980 right

02:15:28.240 and

02:15:28.640 it didn't learn that much

02:15:30.040 from this

02:15:30.400 it didn't learn much

02:15:31.440 right

02:15:31.620 but it's like

02:15:32.760 what

02:15:33.200 and I mean

02:15:34.360 my final point

02:15:35.080 actually on that too

02:15:35.940 and as you know

02:15:36.940 you know

02:15:37.480 there's probably

02:15:38.140 no more contempt

02:15:39.600 than

02:15:40.300 by a lot of the

02:15:41.760 pro-Zionist movement

02:15:42.700 for the actual

02:15:43.700 Christian evangelicals

02:15:45.400 who for whatever reason

02:15:46.740 are so broadly

02:15:47.480 supportive of Israel

02:15:48.380 they use them as pawn

02:15:49.960 they laugh at them

02:15:50.620 oh if they knew

02:15:51.200 yeah

02:15:51.380 I wish they knew

02:15:52.140 and I know

02:15:52.640 a lot of them

02:15:53.220 listen to you

02:15:53.820 yeah

02:15:54.140 I hope

02:15:54.620 nice people

02:15:55.360 good people

02:15:55.940 you know

02:15:56.660 if you ever go to Israel

02:15:58.260 probably 80% of the flight

02:15:59.940 is gonna be

02:16:00.680 people from Alabama

02:16:01.860 or you know

02:16:02.480 from all across

02:16:03.140 the American South

02:16:03.940 who are going

02:16:05.200 to the holy city

02:16:06.240 which is great

02:16:06.880 you know

02:16:07.180 that's awesome

02:16:07.800 but while they're there

02:16:08.920 they're subjected

02:16:09.780 to all of this

02:16:10.640 end times propaganda

02:16:11.780 about why it's so important

02:16:13.680 to support the state

02:16:15.220 and I think

02:16:15.920 what's really sick

02:16:16.820 is that the government

02:16:17.780 the Israeli government

02:16:18.740 uses them as political pawns

02:16:20.980 in our country

02:16:21.920 when secretly

02:16:22.640 they have nothing

02:16:23.620 but contempt

02:16:24.200 and laugh at them

02:16:25.020 about

02:16:25.500 oh they're like

02:16:25.880 oh look at these

02:16:26.560 you know

02:16:26.800 gross people

02:16:27.720 in our streets

02:16:28.480 or any of that

02:16:29.420 there's no actual

02:16:30.200 appreciation

02:16:30.660 I remember asking

02:16:31.440 Benjamin Netanyahu

02:16:32.500 I mean over 20 years ago

02:16:34.160 when

02:16:35.200 you know

02:16:36.660 terrorists

02:16:37.260 were occupying

02:16:38.080 the church

02:16:38.460 of the nativity

02:16:39.000 in Bethlehem

02:16:39.700 which is the city

02:16:40.360 in which Jesus

02:16:40.880 was born

02:16:41.480 so it's

02:16:42.520 you know

02:16:42.880 arguably

02:16:43.860 the most important

02:16:44.500 church in Christendom

02:16:45.400 and

02:16:46.080 the IDF

02:16:47.620 shot

02:16:48.260 fired

02:16:48.820 into the church

02:16:49.940 killed

02:16:51.020 I think a bell ringer

02:16:53.140 I think

02:16:54.920 may have killed

02:16:55.560 a monk

02:16:55.880 anyway

02:16:56.100 killed Christians

02:16:56.860 in a Christian church

02:16:57.920 in a Christian city

02:16:59.080 formerly

02:16:59.660 it's no longer

02:17:00.300 a Christian city

02:17:00.900 thanks to his occupation

02:17:02.160 but

02:17:02.520 and I just

02:17:03.520 and I was

02:17:04.160 totally for Israel

02:17:05.320 I've never been against Israel

02:17:06.900 actually

02:17:07.180 which is the hilarious part

02:17:08.060 but

02:17:08.300 I remember saying to him

02:17:10.060 like

02:17:10.360 you're using American weapons

02:17:12.360 to fire into the church

02:17:13.480 of the nativity

02:17:14.140 this was on CNN

02:17:16.080 at the time

02:17:17.320 and boy

02:17:18.360 it was like

02:17:19.960 what are you an anti-Semite

02:17:21.620 that's like

02:17:22.020 no

02:17:22.400 I don't

02:17:23.820 I don't want to fire

02:17:24.620 into the church

02:17:25.340 of the nativity

02:17:25.900 like how is that okay

02:17:26.880 and why does everyone

02:17:27.980 think it's okay

02:17:28.700 it's not okay

02:17:29.440 it's not okay

02:17:30.040 and it's

02:17:30.860 I mean

02:17:31.160 we were talking yesterday

02:17:32.340 about

02:17:32.700 in the

02:17:33.700 you know

02:17:34.300 the recent

02:17:35.040 settler violence

02:17:35.920 that happened

02:17:36.580 against these

02:17:37.260 Christian

02:17:37.660 I mean

02:17:38.320 part of why

02:17:39.060 I feel upset

02:17:39.800 about this

02:17:40.220 is not just about

02:17:40.900 the you know

02:17:41.500 we

02:17:41.900 rightfully

02:17:42.580 if you're a Christian

02:17:43.120 you should also

02:17:43.680 care about

02:17:44.160 other Christians

02:17:45.000 but it's like

02:17:45.440 guys

02:17:45.620 this is just

02:17:46.280 a normal behavior

02:17:47.200 in the way

02:17:48.580 that they act

02:17:49.280 in this region

02:17:49.960 and supported

02:17:50.500 by the Israeli government

02:17:51.960 now again

02:17:53.040 as somebody

02:17:54.520 who cares about

02:17:55.020 my own country

02:17:55.640 it would all be

02:17:56.640 bad things happen

02:17:58.280 all over the world

02:17:58.960 that's a fact of life

02:18:00.640 but we

02:18:02.060 us funding them

02:18:03.120 it becoming

02:18:04.360 a major political issue

02:18:05.380 in our country

02:18:05.960 unfortunately

02:18:06.820 you're turning people

02:18:07.940 like us

02:18:08.320 who I don't

02:18:09.240 look

02:18:09.480 Israel was never

02:18:10.660 my number one issue

02:18:11.320 never

02:18:12.200 I really did not

02:18:13.540 particularly care

02:18:14.220 I spent time

02:18:14.980 in the country

02:18:15.300 and I liked it

02:18:15.900 and that was

02:18:16.420 kind of my

02:18:16.800 I said

02:18:17.220 yeah

02:18:17.540 this Palestinian thing

02:18:18.460 it's kind of

02:18:18.880 messed up

02:18:19.420 but whatever

02:18:20.560 you know

02:18:20.940 it's their business

02:18:21.740 this was always

02:18:22.320 like a lefty issue

02:18:23.440 all these people

02:18:24.560 you know

02:18:25.680 who you were

02:18:26.160 you don't agree

02:18:26.860 with them on anything

02:18:27.520 and they're running around

02:18:28.760 talking about genocide

02:18:29.860 it's like

02:18:30.340 just stop

02:18:31.400 I had no

02:18:33.220 desire

02:18:34.300 like the last thing

02:18:35.620 I want to do

02:18:36.160 is get involved

02:18:36.740 I felt the same

02:18:37.400 but I felt compelled

02:18:38.520 once I saw

02:18:39.680 not only the level

02:18:40.780 well I saw

02:18:41.640 the level

02:18:42.380 of which

02:18:43.040 the Likud interest

02:18:44.360 started

02:18:45.040 basically

02:18:46.020 becoming a part

02:18:47.540 of the

02:18:47.980 mainstream

02:18:48.780 American right

02:18:49.780 became even

02:18:50.900 more concerned

02:18:51.660 when I saw

02:18:52.520 Likud interest

02:18:53.380 running state laws

02:18:55.160 passing BDS laws

02:18:57.200 on the books

02:18:57.700 of multiple states

02:18:58.540 in the United States

02:18:59.200 restricting the free speech

02:19:00.500 rights of American citizens

02:19:01.760 Ron DeSantis

02:19:02.860 signs a censorship

02:19:04.280 law

02:19:05.000 a

02:19:05.860 you know

02:19:07.060 a blasphemy law

02:19:08.200 in a foreign country

02:19:09.480 right

02:19:09.760 in a foreign country

02:19:10.540 I like DeSantis

02:19:11.380 that was the point

02:19:12.080 where I was like

02:19:12.540 you're disgusting

02:19:13.100 I can't support you

02:19:14.160 Ron DeSantis

02:19:14.440 who banned

02:19:15.500 critical race theory

02:19:16.640 then basically

02:19:18.260 starts affirmative action

02:19:19.480 for Jewish students

02:19:20.300 in the state of Florida

02:19:21.100 that I can't

02:19:22.060 genuinely think

02:19:22.740 of a better representation

02:19:23.580 of the modern American

02:19:25.180 right

02:19:25.340 but it just destroyed

02:19:26.360 Ron DeSantis

02:19:27.300 and

02:19:27.860 I really liked

02:19:29.300 Ron DeSantis

02:19:29.740 I knew him pretty well

02:19:30.860 I always tried my best

02:19:32.540 in my limited way

02:19:33.260 to promote Ron DeSantis

02:19:34.180 because I thought

02:19:34.620 he did such a marvelous job

02:19:35.600 during COVID in Florida

02:19:36.840 I was in Florida

02:19:37.700 for part of that

02:19:38.220 and I was like

02:19:38.600 oh you're great

02:19:39.300 and he was totally destroyed

02:19:41.460 by this one issue

02:19:42.500 because it

02:19:43.700 it was totally

02:19:44.600 it was utterly inconsistent

02:19:45.800 with everything else

02:19:46.600 he was saying

02:19:47.220 it's like wait

02:19:47.980 we're against

02:19:49.060 affirmative action

02:19:49.920 we're against

02:19:50.780 blasphemy laws

02:19:52.600 I thought

02:19:53.260 we're Americans

02:19:54.060 we have a first amendment

02:19:55.180 how can you travel

02:19:56.100 to a foreign country

02:19:56.920 and sign a law

02:19:57.980 restricting my speech rights

02:19:59.680 you're exactly right

02:20:00.400 the University of California system

02:20:01.900 the largest state

02:20:02.880 in our country

02:20:03.660 is now saying

02:20:04.760 that any organization

02:20:06.000 that supports BDS

02:20:07.340 will have all

02:20:08.160 any federal grant money

02:20:09.520 poll

02:20:10.200 I mean

02:20:10.620 listen

02:20:11.280 this is insanity

02:20:12.440 this is

02:20:13.020 yes

02:20:13.300 that happened

02:20:13.720 I think it happened

02:20:14.460 a couple of days ago

02:20:15.280 they're warning students

02:20:16.620 not even to speak out

02:20:17.140 can you boycott the United States

02:20:18.120 can you boycott other states

02:20:19.160 of course you can

02:20:19.800 of course you can

02:20:20.640 and that's my point

02:20:21.420 is that it's genuinely

02:20:22.480 all just about

02:20:23.780 a foreign nation

02:20:24.820 and it's

02:20:25.820 and one political party's interests

02:20:27.520 and then hijacking it

02:20:28.800 in ours

02:20:29.200 and I guess

02:20:30.400 I should give the disclaimer

02:20:31.260 as you said

02:20:31.980 like you do

02:20:32.600 because I already know

02:20:33.200 the inevitable

02:20:33.680 I'm not an anti-Semite

02:20:35.780 I spent a long time

02:20:36.760 in Israel

02:20:37.100 I like Israel

02:20:37.960 I have people

02:20:38.820 who I would consider

02:20:39.620 genuine family

02:20:40.480 who are literally

02:20:41.220 Israeli

02:20:42.040 and living in Israel

02:20:42.900 I love them

02:20:44.160 it is not

02:20:44.960 about them

02:20:46.220 it's about their government

02:20:47.280 it's about their party

02:20:48.480 and more specifically

02:20:49.480 it's actually about

02:20:50.100 my country's relationship

02:20:51.140 with them

02:20:52.240 I wish them

02:20:52.980 nothing but the best

02:20:53.920 and I actually

02:20:54.720 I just wish

02:20:55.640 we just treated it

02:20:56.340 like any other country

02:20:57.100 I have affinity for Switzerland

02:20:58.680 Japan

02:20:59.220 India

02:21:00.000 I mean I've been all over the world

02:21:01.060 which is one of the great blessings

02:21:02.040 of my life

02:21:02.680 and I just want

02:21:03.800 I want to look at our relationship

02:21:05.180 with all those countries

02:21:06.040 on a relatively equal basis

02:21:07.820 and just say

02:21:08.800 okay what are we getting from this

02:21:10.140 and what are we getting from that

02:21:11.480 and instead

02:21:12.040 I've watched this religion

02:21:13.700 both around

02:21:15.020 support for Israel

02:21:16.160 but Ukraine

02:21:16.900 and NATO

02:21:17.520 I mean NATO is a religion

02:21:18.900 as you know

02:21:19.680 it's transformed itself

02:21:21.820 into a religion

02:21:23.720 and not a defensive alliance

02:21:24.940 and watching that happen

02:21:27.060 has been one of the most

02:21:28.140 frustrating events

02:21:29.080 of my life

02:21:29.900 because the consequences

02:21:31.760 in both of these cases

02:21:33.020 are so dire

02:21:34.500 for the people

02:21:35.600 who elect

02:21:36.220 a lot of these representatives

02:21:37.460 to power

02:21:37.940 and I mean

02:21:39.340 we're

02:21:39.700 we got lucky

02:21:41.320 that the 12 day war

02:21:42.800 ended when it did

02:21:44.040 but to say that

02:21:45.040 that's the final solution

02:21:46.220 is ridiculous

02:21:47.460 because again

02:21:48.660 Israel bombs Iraq

02:21:50.200 in 1981

02:21:50.900 mission accomplished

02:21:51.980 yes or no

02:21:52.680 Israel bombed Syria's

02:21:54.100 reactor program

02:21:54.840 in 2007

02:21:55.660 mission accomplished

02:21:56.720 did it stop there

02:21:57.880 Gaddafi gave up his nukes

02:21:59.420 is it only just about nukes

02:22:00.940 of course it's not about nukes

02:22:02.560 it's about regime change

02:22:03.880 that's what they want

02:22:04.840 they're open about it

02:22:05.880 and you know

02:22:06.860 plea

02:22:07.260 everyone

02:22:07.960 watch Israeli television

02:22:09.240 there are a lot of people

02:22:10.200 who translate it

02:22:10.940 they brag about this stuff

02:22:12.580 out in the open

02:22:13.840 about killing Gazans

02:22:15.180 about regime change

02:22:16.560 about the way that they

02:22:17.680 manipulate the United States

02:22:19.160 they say it in Hebrew

02:22:19.960 ask your friend

02:22:21.040 there are a lot of Hebrew speakers

02:22:22.220 here in America

02:22:22.820 they can translate it for you

02:22:24.240 it's sickening

02:22:25.220 it's out in the open

02:22:26.220 I mean they make Fox

02:22:27.340 they put Fox News to shame

02:22:28.680 a lot of these people

02:22:29.820 which is hard to do

02:22:30.780 which is very hard

02:22:31.700 boy I

02:22:32.160 I just

02:22:33.220 I'm praying for Trump

02:22:34.100 I'm praying for

02:22:34.600 this is the last

02:22:35.520 political solution

02:22:36.360 to our problems

02:22:37.200 and I think we

02:22:38.420 all my hope is in

02:22:40.020 Trump

02:22:40.740 and I hope that

02:22:41.480 the administration course

02:22:42.540 corrects

02:22:43.820 and

02:22:44.340 and does it really soon

02:22:45.620 yeah

02:22:46.000 I think they need to

02:22:47.320 on that issue

02:22:48.500 with Epstein

02:22:49.560 and broadly

02:22:50.900 you know

02:22:51.700 you were elected

02:22:52.860 on a message

02:22:53.840 about America first

02:22:55.160 and just so blatantly

02:22:56.800 putting another country's

02:22:57.900 interests

02:22:58.280 ahead of our own

02:22:59.520 is not going to go

02:23:00.380 unnoticed

02:23:00.940 by a large segment

02:23:01.960 of the American public

02:23:03.320 and specifically

02:23:04.040 younger people

02:23:04.800 who are suffering

02:23:05.740 right now

02:23:06.300 the U.S. economy

02:23:07.320 right now

02:23:07.720 is a disaster

02:23:08.400 the ability to buy a house

02:23:10.060 rates are very high

02:23:11.100 from the fact

02:23:11.540 that's one thing

02:23:12.060 he's correct about Trump

02:23:12.900 you know

02:23:13.140 especially on the Federal Reserve

02:23:14.240 about high interest rates

02:23:15.760 about the fact

02:23:16.880 that we have

02:23:17.900 like a collapse

02:23:18.720 of social trust

02:23:19.560 I spent a long time

02:23:20.560 talking about gambling

02:23:21.580 we're watching

02:23:22.200 extractive industries

02:23:23.240 get richer

02:23:23.940 and richer

02:23:24.760 on the backs

02:23:25.520 of a lot

02:23:25.960 of ordinary

02:23:27.340 and working class people

02:23:28.720 their lives are getting worse

02:23:30.140 probably every single year

02:23:31.760 and you know

02:23:32.960 just touting GDP

02:23:34.720 and oh tax cuts

02:23:36.540 for the rich

02:23:37.180 and all this stuff

02:23:37.660 I don't think people

02:23:39.380 can put up with

02:23:40.180 all of that together

02:23:41.460 I agree

02:23:41.920 and you have

02:23:43.640 three and a half years left

02:23:44.720 you know

02:23:44.980 you can still make a change

02:23:46.260 if you want to

02:23:46.800 for people

02:23:48.860 who aren't familiar

02:23:49.920 with your show

02:23:51.020 where do they find it

02:23:51.840 breaking points

02:23:52.540 breaking points

02:23:53.140 on YouTube

02:23:53.560 Spotify

02:23:54.120 wherever you find it

02:23:55.220 congratulations

02:23:56.080 on your

02:23:56.700 well deserved success

02:23:58.440 thank you

02:23:58.920 and I hope you're

02:23:59.620 an inspiration

02:24:00.040 to many others

02:24:00.760 well you're an inspiration

02:24:01.640 to me

02:24:02.060 I owe

02:24:02.580 all my career

02:24:03.700 to you

02:24:04.120 and so

02:24:05.220 I have to say that

02:24:06.500 thank you very much

02:24:07.180 thank you for giving me

02:24:08.220 the opportunity

02:24:08.500 I didn't do anything

02:24:09.200 we just hired a lot of people

02:24:10.300 at low wages

02:24:10.900 which I guess

02:24:12.560 is kind of what

02:24:13.100 you're decrying

02:24:13.800 but anyway

02:24:14.440 great to see you

02:24:15.600 it worked out though

02:24:16.360 thank you

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The Tucker Carlson Show - July 08, 2025

Saagar Enjeti： Elon’s America Party, Iran, and Jeffrey Epstein Is Apparently Innocent Now

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