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00:00:00.000 sage steel worked at espn as an anchor as a host for almost 17 years she was good at her job that's

00:00:17.980 why she stayed so long but there was one problem sage steel decided to say what she really thinks

00:00:23.000 in a pretty gentle measured way but still for example in 2021 she went on a podcast and

00:00:29.780 hammered espn for its vaccine mandate called it sick and scary which it was on that same podcast

00:00:36.920 she committed a real sin and she asked an obvious question why does barack obama call himself black

00:00:41.860 when he's actually biracial he's as white as he is black you can't say that it turns out espn pulled

00:00:48.540 her off the air for 10 days why interesting question then steel made espn even matter when

00:00:55.940 she said that the man in the bathing suit leah thomas who was winning all the swimming competitions

00:01:01.080 was not in fact a female swimmer so behind the scenes espn said you'd better be quiet about the

00:01:08.380 trans issues in fact sent her a letter saying it's totally fine to talk about trans issues as long as

00:01:12.000 you don't misgender someone in other words you can disagree as long as you don't disagree with the

00:01:17.400 people you're arguing with you have to accept the terms of the trans activists you're criticizing

00:01:21.180 or else you're a thought criminal watch this there was a special an espn special that came out

00:01:27.240 showcasing you know women's history month and the special was surrounding leah thomas and i just

00:01:33.840 remember thinking to myself you know i could not imagine being a woman working there being asked to

00:01:39.820 report on this issue with a smile on my face yeah and so i just kind of wanted to ask about the

00:01:46.140 support you felt from women uh since of course taking the stands that you have none none um i was

00:01:54.900 asked to stop tweeting about it i was asked to stop um doing anything saying anything about it on social

00:02:01.920 media because i was um offending others at the company none absolutely none but she does have good

00:02:11.000 people around her because she herself is a good person she's gone from espn she settled a lawsuit with

00:02:15.800 them and now sage steel joins us in the studio so it is such an honor to have you here thank you

00:02:20.340 this is my honor thank you what a great response tell us about the support you've received from women

00:02:25.720 a nun absolutely none is that true women supporting women you know how it goes uh i do know how it goes

00:02:32.020 i know and i will say throughout my career i think that's the overall most disappointing thing is that

00:02:37.440 and especially in the sports world where when i started like dinosaur years yeah no internet you know

00:02:41.840 i was always the only woman in the locker rooms i bet the most support i received from

00:02:46.420 was definitely from my male peers because they like women well no wasn't it like that and i was

00:02:51.600 married they were no no i don't mean in a creepy way it's just they're just no i don't mean that

00:02:55.440 actually i didn't mean it in a sexual way it's just like men are kind of programmed to

00:02:58.240 have affection for women i mean they just are but i also think that they they weren't threatened

00:03:03.100 yeah i mean especially early on in my career but even at espn i was excited because

00:03:08.180 uh where i was before in dc i was i was the only mother so i was excited to be around women who are

00:03:13.680 a little bit older and could maybe you know part of the club and and take care of each other as a

00:03:18.880 mother first and foremost forget about you know the broadcast because that is competitive um so i

00:03:24.520 think you know the big picture is women preach this all the time and it's like oh the men holding

00:03:30.200 us down in the glass ceiling and i speak every time i speak publicly at an event or whatever i make

00:03:35.920 sure i bring this up because i'm very passionate about it as the mother of two girls yes um and

00:03:40.760 they're you know college age kids too but you know we complain about the guys but look in the mirror

00:03:46.640 what do we do to each other first and foremost well i've seen it a lot i've had a lot of female bosses a

00:03:52.440 lot and every single one of them has been nice to me i'm just being honest i mean some were good some

00:03:57.320 were not good most were not that great but some were fine they're always nice to me always nice they

00:04:03.120 were savage to the women on staff and i always noticed that they're mean to the women what is

00:04:08.500 that they pit us against each other they really do um which again is just unfortunate but to me

00:04:14.700 okay fine own that if you don't like the other women but then to be hypocritical and go on social

00:04:19.540 media and talk about let's uplift each other and listen i wasn't trying to call people out but over

00:04:25.280 the last eight months maybe probably a year i when i started to support riley gains

00:04:29.740 yeah and certainly the whole transgender sports issue um i said women we don't realize our power

00:04:36.740 if we as women in the media let's just say women in sports media because this is a sports issue

00:04:41.860 came together to say no no no we've been fighting for so long for women in sports and for salaries to

00:04:48.980 be equal at times you know you look at the women's national soccer team versus the men and the ratings

00:04:53.280 they brought in versus the men there are some things yeah like we are fighting for women

00:04:57.600 and then to be silent when it comes here like espn w is part of the espn network that w is for women

00:05:05.560 they spend millions of dollars on a um a big summit like a a get together of women every single year

00:05:12.560 and on the stage it's it's women and promoting women and um promoting diverse thought with women

00:05:19.440 and supporting them so then when the biggest issue really of of the last i don't know several decades

00:05:24.440 comes up after all the title nine fights we as sports media women remain silent to me the hypocrisy

00:05:31.820 was too thick to ignore yeah and and sound in a kind of north korean way like nobody's allowed to

00:05:37.320 disagree even a little bit no and and then i found out yeah more from my employer like zip it and i and

00:05:45.140 so i made sure that night when i received that email which was wow i'm in the middle of a free speech

00:05:50.780 lawsuit against that company i made sure and sent another email because are you going to tell me

00:05:55.660 to not support women like this is like the most orwellian sentence i alluded to it in the intro but

00:06:00.720 here it is while civil discourse on the issue of transgender athletes competing in women's sports

00:06:05.600 is both appropriate and beneficial that discourse needs to be fact-based and should not rely on personal

00:06:12.220 attacks insults derogatory or crude language or misgendering others

00:06:17.520 so you can disagree as long as you accept their premise

00:06:23.740 as long as you follow the narrative and and listen um i i knew that but to me this just was

00:06:30.460 this was simple and it was a no-brainer but they put that in writing that's real right in writing and

00:06:34.780 then it continued and you might offend people at our company who are in the lgbtq community by what by

00:06:39.920 supporting women because there's a difference between attacking the transgender community

00:06:44.740 and supporting women i have never and would never do that that's not my heart because i have empathy

00:06:50.280 for for transgender people who want to compete well of course but the answer is not to take from the

00:06:57.320 women that for over 50 years billie jean king title nine sure um this is not the answer and i had no

00:07:04.300 idea that that would be controversial to stand up for women isn't one of my female relative of mine

00:07:10.800 said to me the other day i thought was kind of brilliant like the whole trans thing really is

00:07:15.200 just another triumph of men over women does anybody ever say that i've i've i have heard that more

00:07:22.400 recently um it's amazing how many dms i get and emails through website or whatever from people

00:07:28.480 even in the industry who are like i wish i could so thank you and i'm like oh we all can yes i do

00:07:35.020 understand why they don't i mean listen i'm a prime example of of what happens when you speak up and

00:07:40.280 are yourself you get canceled i mean hey you know all about that yeah right so but you there's a point

00:07:46.320 in everyone's lives where you have decisions to make for me it's so much this is so much bigger than

00:07:50.840 me who am i i'm in my 50s i'm not playing sports i'm trying to do peloton once a week

00:07:54.960 there's a big difference between me and these young women like riley gaines or my niece who's

00:07:59.980 a good softball player a good volleyball player so for me it's about um kids and speaking up for

00:08:06.200 parents who might have that fear especially to hang on to their job because they might get an email

00:08:12.120 like i did so if i don't use this to stand up for these parents and young girls then shame on me

00:08:17.480 that's kind of the way and also how can you respect yourself how can you sleep soundly how can you

00:08:22.320 have dignity if you're reading someone else's script you can't so what just give us a synopsis

00:08:28.540 of your life you you said off camera that you'd grown up all around because you're from a military

00:08:34.240 family how did you get to espn oh gosh quite the i bet you know army brat so when people say where

00:08:42.680 you're from like i i need you think at this point i'd come up with a better answer um everywhere yes and

00:08:48.720 by the time i was 11 i lived in four different countries wow um at the time spoke a couple

00:08:54.060 languages but now let's stick with english let's yes straight off the reservation there yeah um and

00:09:00.100 then uh went to indiana university hoosier took all took all five years and then i think they were

00:09:05.800 like just take this diploma and leave please like you're embarrassing us just go away got the piece

00:09:10.360 of paper and then um listen espn was always my goal always my dream wow i was 11 when i announced

00:09:17.820 at the dinner table to my parents that i wanted to be a sportscaster um and i was this super shy

00:09:23.500 girl um i think all the moving you know um just throughout my whole life um probably made me extra

00:09:31.340 shy but then i it also i think subconsciously taught me that if you want to have friends on the

00:09:38.800 kickball court you know at recess certainly then into corporate america like you have to go make that

00:09:43.280 happen yes um so when i said i wanted to be a sportscaster my dad and mom were like okay and

00:09:48.300 this is 1984 there were no women doing this when i was 11 12 years old yes um and they're like okay

00:09:53.880 um you're not you're not to talk if you want to be on tv so they had to really push me out of my

00:10:02.520 comfort zone and push through that fear of being unliked disliked if i unlike sign of words see english

00:10:09.100 language disliked um if i'm myself and that's why i was just shy and as a biracial young woman my mom's

00:10:16.760 white irish italian my dad's black um you felt different you were not enough for here and not

00:10:22.780 enough for this side either so you're there's a lot of confusion um so i look back and i'm grateful

00:10:28.720 for being really uncomfortable and having great parents to push me through those times when um i had

00:10:34.880 this dream but they were like you're gonna have to work extra hard to get there so did you wind up

00:10:41.100 in a lot of places before uspn yes south bend indiana first one cbs affiliate in south bend

00:10:47.100 um and then to indianapolis so at like 22 it was the top 25 market you know i was completely in over

00:10:52.300 my head and the first woman doing sports in that city and we have nba and nfl and all the college and

00:10:58.260 so three man sports department i was definitely number four out of three like number eight out of

00:11:03.440 three um but that's where oh that's where there were certainly some experiences where it was

00:11:08.560 obvious that um they didn't they didn't want me there they weren't quite ready um i knew i wasn't

00:11:13.820 ready but i also you know what do you turn down an opportunity well you take it yeah and then you are

00:11:20.400 humble lead with humility and ask everybody around you lead with kindness just like growing up as a

00:11:26.340 kid if you wanted friends when you kept moving across the world you're kind and you lead with that

00:11:31.160 of course yeah so indy and then to tampa and then to dc um dc baltimore comcast sports net for

00:11:37.980 for six years and actually this is funny and then i'll shut up i got my first offer from uspn

00:11:43.660 um in 2004 and and turned it down um i was pregnant with my second child and knew i wanted at least one

00:11:52.120 more and i had a friend the late great stewart scott that rest his soul he died of cancer nine years ago

00:11:58.220 and he was everything at espn yeah and he was like listen i love you we had the same agent he's

00:12:03.340 like you you need to be ready to go there and as a young mother still trying to have more kids

00:12:09.220 um you know you'll get eaten alive yeah especially back then and of course early 2000s it was a very

00:12:15.060 different place so um i really took a chance and was scared even my agent everybody said you're nuts

00:12:20.660 espn doesn't need you you need them and if you turn this down um you're gonna be blackballed

00:12:27.400 and i you know i raised that family's everything and um when you live move across the world

00:12:34.580 and i have two younger brothers it was the five of us yes so i knew that if i didn't follow through

00:12:41.120 with that core principle in my family as a mother myself that i'm a hypocrite so turned it down and

00:12:47.600 took a chance that they call me back you did i'm so glad but i think it again it i didn't look at it

00:12:54.820 as a bigger picture thing it was just what i felt i had to do with that moment young people in hindsight

00:12:59.160 yeah it was a i believe in myself thing and a faith in god where if this was meant to be

00:13:06.700 then i would get another chance but either way i have my babies and i will never regret well exactly

00:13:13.060 i've met a lot of people who regret a lot of things you know tattoos jobs sexual encounters

00:13:18.680 i've never met anybody who regrets a child not one yeah and that's what i say so many you know

00:13:24.140 mothers will say gosh we're just not sure i'm like are you asking my opinion if you're not sure

00:13:29.820 to me that's your answer exactly you'll never regret you know having another child but you might

00:13:35.120 if you don't i completely agree so i'm grateful for that time and for taking a chance and then and

00:13:42.560 then going and to be able to live out that dream that i had when i was a little girl how many people

00:13:47.740 actually get to do exactly what they set out to do when they were 11 at that network it's a blessing

00:13:53.680 amen and in the end you learn i think it's fair to say whatever tv network you work for whatever

00:13:59.020 company you work for they don't really care about you no your children care about you and always will

00:14:03.300 even if they hate us happy that's a phase thanks for watching our conversation with sage steel

00:14:09.580 politics is so corrupt and so deceptive right now it's really hard to know who to trust especially

00:14:16.580 in washington and in the capital city very few are holding the powerful accountable almost nobody but

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00:14:27.440 and as proof of that the president of heritage kevin roberts recently went to davos switzerland

00:14:32.740 with all the powerful people but he didn't go to ben denita klaus schwab no he went to tell them to

00:14:39.220 their faces how awful they are here's what he said i'll be candid here because i think i've been invited

00:14:44.820 here to be candid elites tell us that open borders and even illegal immigration are okay the average

00:14:51.440 person tells us in the united states that both robbed them of the american way of life elites also tell

00:14:56.860 us that public safety isn't a problem in big american cities just traveled to new york or washington or

00:15:02.860 dallas texas the average person will tell you that the lack of public safety damages not just the american

00:15:08.940 way of life but their life well amen if you want to know more about heritage go to heritage.org

00:15:17.140 slash tucker we recommend you do so what was espn political when you got there no right that's what

00:15:25.140 i thought no no um and it's interesting we did see we how long do you do that for i have quite a while

00:15:31.900 um i you know look back and you realize gosh we were kind of inching closer and closer

00:15:40.940 yeah and especially when when trump won in 2016 yeah then it was like just wow um i remember talking

00:15:48.540 to my bosses and this so this 2016 2017 and saying what are we doing and why are we allowing this

00:15:56.380 michael jordan said it in the 80s republicans buy sneakers too and and and because he was criticized

00:16:03.100 as tiger woods has been criticized for not being vocal enough for the black community of course

00:16:07.000 and to me they're smart businessmen who said yeah no no i want everybody so i would use that example to

00:16:13.440 my bosses at my sports network like don't we want everybody to watch espn why divide i believe if

00:16:20.260 people want politics they can go to cnn they can go to fox news of course they came to us

00:16:25.480 as a respite and as an escape exactly and so why why why and then that president was ousted

00:16:32.520 world drama and then the new president came in and i think it was 2017 2017 jimmy pataro and he

00:16:40.560 agreed and it was great and he kind of threw the line in the sand like we're not doing this we want

00:16:47.000 everybody to watch and then the pandemic hit and then george floyd happened and it's been a mess

00:16:55.080 since so your read is that the president of espn was really trying to just be a sports channel

00:17:00.760 but he was overwhelmed by the most the current president yes yes and then listen who are we owned

00:17:06.640 by well good point disney yeah a very political very left-wing company yes so i i just gotta go back

00:17:14.540 to what we said in the intro about your interview about barack obama on a podcast find that really

00:17:23.640 interesting and very confusing can you explain what you said and what you meant yes gladly um

00:17:30.460 it was with jay cutler the former bears quarterback and you know he had a really good research staff who

00:17:37.320 picked out a couple of topics that i had spoken on in the past and it was actually a story from 2014

00:17:44.440 i didn't bring up barack obama yeah barbara walters brought up barack obama when i was on the view

00:17:50.500 in 2014 when obama was still president and they barbara in particular wanted to talk about why

00:17:57.460 i chose to identify as biracial like identify well i am i don't know why this is controversial

00:18:06.340 why are you choosing to acknowledge reality yeah and so but i said absolutely bring it up

00:18:11.040 and so we're live on the view abc you know we're all same company yeah family and said well why do

00:18:21.400 you choose to say you're biracial and i said and she goes barack obama doesn't and i said okay i said i

00:18:27.760 think it's interesting um for the president to you know completely forget about the fact or ignore the

00:18:34.380 fact that his he was raised by his white mother and white grandmother and his black father was

00:18:39.940 nowhere to be found now that wasn't breaking news he wrote a book about that oh yeah i'm not

00:18:44.280 criticizing i'm saying these will be facts so to me it was interesting that he chose to completely

00:18:48.620 ignore his white side and identify as black my personal opinion which i've never really said

00:18:52.900 publicly is okay this was planned this was political everyone knew what they were doing when they

00:18:57.480 were he's coming up through chicago they they had a plan for obama for many many many years

00:19:02.280 but i did say you do you i'm gonna do me and i i don't know i i'm pretty sure my white mother was

00:19:11.640 there the day i was born i mean again in the vicinity anyway i don't know i'm there and so

00:19:17.620 and i said but i i'm so proud i'm so proud to have been raised in this beautifully diverse family

00:19:24.880 where my white family loves me as much as my black family isn't that what we want and so to me that

00:19:30.000 wasn't controversial but i will never ignore my mother and so that got me in trouble so she brought

00:19:37.500 up obama in 2014 and so fast forward to 2021 this podcast so can i just ask did that did people

00:19:43.240 respond negatively to you saying that um yes there definitely was some negativity and barbara went

00:19:48.020 and listen she's not here to right there's nothing personal but these are just the facts of what

00:19:53.580 happened and then what led to the 2021 yeah there were several people um in 2014 twitter i don't

00:19:58.860 think was what it is now x and certainly how crazy it's gotten but i did get some listen throughout my

00:20:05.000 life um the most criticism i've received especially since probably 2016 2017 when i've given opinions on

00:20:12.500 things the most criticism i've received is um unfortunately from people who look like me

00:20:17.660 from from from the black community and so the criticism that day in 2014 was well she's a sellout

00:20:24.200 and look at her white husband and you know all of these things and so i that used to break me that

00:20:28.760 used to really devastate me because when you're a biracial kid growing up and you're you know you kind

00:20:32.420 of are told you have to choose sides um and i never did my parents gave me that strength despite

00:20:39.360 the shyness to say no no this is this is who i am and why is that bad not knowing that 30 years

00:20:44.880 later this would be such a controversial thing but um you know so i was just recapping that story in

00:20:50.760 2021 and and reiterated it and then that me describing what happened with barbara walters

00:20:57.160 um turned into in 2021 sage steel hates black people and thinks barack obama should not identify

00:21:02.920 as black and i said no no no like hates black people oh your dad's black

00:21:07.540 you can't make it up you can't make it up so um but that that when when i got suspended by espn

00:21:17.440 they did bring that up to me like why why are you talking about obama and i what do you mean um

00:21:22.560 and so you know i would love not allowed to talk about obama not if you don't follow the narrative if i

00:21:30.920 had said listen i i grew up in a biracial household but i'm a black woman i would probably

00:21:37.360 still have a job but can i just i just think it's maybe i'm overthinking or perhaps underthinking it

00:21:42.080 but it's it does seem very strange like i thought the whole point of the melting pot idea was that

00:21:48.940 we're you know we're all people inside and that the left is certainly not against people of different

00:21:54.920 races getting together and having children i mean you know i don't think they're against that

00:21:58.980 right i don't they don't seem to be so why would they get mad if you say i'm the product of

00:22:04.920 of mixed race marriage i just think it's like the craziest thing i've ever heard

00:22:08.440 you know that one drop rule we've yeah for years which i've yeah i guess i just don't care enough

00:22:15.440 right i agree i agree with that actually like whatever i'm 50 50 i'm yeah i'm a little bit of both

00:22:20.940 you know and to me with where we are today we're dei and diversity and inclusion and you know all of

00:22:27.260 the things acceptance and tolerance don't i kind of define that yeah i would think so you know and

00:22:32.820 so i've been so i've been so confused by it but and this is a discussion i hope to have on many levels

00:22:39.060 as i you know my career takes different turns now and it's just to be able to have a conversation

00:22:43.360 um but the hypocrisy in this whole topic um i i represent diversity in america i'm so grateful

00:22:53.700 that my parents 52 years ago coming off the civil rights era chose to choose love over

00:23:00.680 divisiveness right my mother's parents disowned her for marrying a black man she had to choose

00:23:06.560 between her family and the man that she loved that loved her that didn't this didn't matter

00:23:11.080 and so i look at my parents 52 years and i'm like you know what you guys can keep all your hatred

00:23:17.680 your parents are still oh yes they're they're alive and and well some health issues and 52 years

00:23:23.720 they've been married 52 years yes that's my but and as a biracial couple despite some very difficult

00:23:29.300 times within the family because of the differences you know so i look at them and i'm like okay i can

00:23:34.740 kind of handle anything but it is completely hypocritical in my mind for the black community to

00:23:40.120 to draw this line you know and because i don't say black and i say biracial i'm a sellout i'm a coon

00:23:47.600 i'm named i can't say on tv and i tucker i used to be quiet about it gotten that from people directly

00:23:54.040 i've received death threats from people who look like me because i don't identify the way they want

00:24:04.080 me to they got on tiger woods about this i remember correct correct and i didn't really understand the

00:24:08.720 dynamic there either like why are you against tiger woods like what i never understood this i never

00:24:12.780 understood this and to me i i just feel like so blessed to be able to represent that diversity

00:24:19.580 that i think america makes america great you know but i do think this because now fine i've been

00:24:25.160 canceled a hundred times i like i don't care anymore that's the cool thing i have to keep speaking out

00:24:30.080 about this and all of these things that have gotten me in trouble because it is bigger than me and every

00:24:34.780 time i've spoken at a college or university i just came from a women's skincare conference everywhere i go

00:24:40.180 this this topic comes up um because it i've been in the news for it but there are a bunch of biracial

00:24:46.720 kids out there who are being told that they're not enough who are being told to ignore their white

00:24:50.720 mother or white father or asian mother father and i know what that feels like and i've been hung

00:24:57.460 you know publicly and canceled for not identifying the way that others want me to so if i don't speak

00:25:04.540 up because i now don't care about what comes at me then what about these kids so i had a woman the

00:25:09.760 other day at this conference come up to me a white woman in tears who's married to a black man and has

00:25:13.800 two kids who are being told right now they're like eight and eleven who are being told well what your

00:25:19.480 mom no disown your white mother yes at a young age and she was in tears and i just hugged her because

00:25:25.620 i was like stand tall let me talk to your kids like i will do anything to help parents and kids

00:25:33.120 of any age i'm 51 like i'll talk to who is being told that they're not enough because they don't

00:25:38.700 identify how the left and the black community and not not all areas but in many says that we have to

00:25:45.300 identify it's bs it's actually racist yeah it's wrong and so i feel i feel so um obligated and excited

00:25:54.060 to tackle this for others who are told that they're not enough yeah it's it's absolutely wild to me

00:26:00.920 that i'll just say the last time but i just can't help but say it at the exact moment we're like no

00:26:05.660 embrace your identity be who you are you know these are inborn qualities no one can it's like

00:26:11.000 attacking people for stating their identity clearly it's like it's insane to me

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00:27:55.920 it's it's heartbreaking i was at and i'll be quiet i was at a conference once and i have to share this

00:28:03.140 because i think you'll find it fascinating we've heard this quite often but a wonderful young woman

00:28:08.180 a motivational speaker she's white they're predominantly black people at the conference

00:28:12.280 and i was the i was the moderator and she said i she got on stage and she said i i just i just need

00:28:17.700 to apologize and i said what do you for what she goes i need to apologize for for all white people

00:28:23.320 because we can never understand and i it was a moment tucker settle down honey but i was like okay

00:28:29.320 yes among other things i was thinking this is 2017 16 17 oh oh yeah yeah and i just thought oh boy is

00:28:37.020 this you know i'm the moderator i need to stay out of this no i i need to i have a unique perspective

00:28:41.680 i guess because i'm biracial and i said i said no offense i i think you meant well because i know your

00:28:46.660 heart but i'm going to tell you i'm offended that you are telling me that my white mother

00:28:54.680 yeah exactly should apologize i mean have you seen me have you seen my mother have you seen who she

00:28:59.360 married so when you lump white people together saying you should apologize for what what did you

00:29:05.540 do i couldn't agree more what have you done you should be apologizing to me swear to god so how

00:29:11.440 how how was that received when you said that um muffled claps because people are afraid but

00:29:20.600 afterwards for an almost an hour and a half there was a line of people a lot of biracial people a lot

00:29:27.580 of white mothers white fathers black as well who who agree with me and said thank you a couple kids

00:29:34.600 were crying yeah so the the less fearful i've gotten the more i realize that i have to

00:29:43.240 talk about this because we're actually so blessed to have grown up in that environment yes and whenever

00:29:50.420 you tell the truth about anything especially the hard ones it it offends people and enrages them and

00:29:56.020 they plot violence against you in some cases but other people are thrilled and inspired and joyful

00:30:00.500 just to hear something that's true i think there's a lot more positive i agree i really do but the

00:30:05.580 negative is what comes through on social media but there's a lot more sanity so after this happened

00:30:10.620 after the obama the fabled obama interview like what did you think your status at espn was if they're

00:30:16.480 going to get mad at you for that like that's a problem well the number one thing at that time

00:30:20.680 because it kept changing that they said they were upset about was my comments about the vaccine mandate

00:30:24.260 um that was the number one thing that got me in trouble did they tell you that it's not your body

00:30:30.180 or choice or do they just kind of move because they have been telling us it was our body or choice

00:30:34.180 i remember that they've been saying did anyone officially announce that to you or is it just

00:30:37.660 assumed that that was no longer a principle it's literally you have until september 30th 2021 to get

00:30:41.980 a vaccine or you're no longer employed whoa and i waited till the very last possible day to make

00:30:49.380 the decision um because then it had to be in you for two weeks i think it was in order to be fully

00:30:55.520 vaccinated or um and so this was it was a very and i i was close to walking yeah um because i just and

00:31:05.080 this is two plus years ago at the time i just wanted more information of course that's it yeah and i'm

00:31:11.620 like can you give it six months because they're continuing i am no scientist i'm not a political

00:31:17.080 analyst i'm not i'm i'm a i'm a sportscaster and i'm a mother and i i'm just trying to do the best

00:31:22.400 thing for me and for my kids um and i i just did a little homework and it's like wait isn't on average

00:31:30.220 isn't it six to nine years for the fda to approve any vaccine like can we just slow down can you give

00:31:36.660 me six months like i don't know an exception i won't tell anybody i'm just afraid yeah and i um listen

00:31:43.320 and i am divorced and i'm the um sole breadwinner and always have been um and i have three kids

00:31:49.440 yeah currently in college and one on the way yes that choice and i'm not alone i i am so blessed to

00:31:56.880 be able to afford to do more than the average american right right um but at that moment when

00:32:02.040 i'm sitting in the drugstore parking lot do i go in and get this shot that i completely disagree

00:32:07.320 with at this moment in 2021 or you know do i get this or do i walk and then not be able to

00:32:14.820 pay for my kids to pay my mortgage to support my my family my alimony like all the am i willing to do

00:32:23.280 that and what am i going to do so this is how millions of americans feel so this is not a woe is

00:32:30.680 me this is a let's talk about the hypocrisy because i believe that someday we're probably going to get back

00:32:36.240 here again and there's going to be difficult decisions to be made again um but i i did what

00:32:40.520 i had they're like sorry you have a decision you have a choice even though you don't have a choice

00:32:44.380 if you want your job so i went and did it and then ironically that day was the day that my podcast

00:32:51.380 appearance was scheduled on on jay cutler so i was coming in hot tucker off of getting the shot

00:32:56.700 already obeyed their orders and done this thing you didn't want to do because you had to keep your

00:33:02.320 job i complied you complied so you'd already done it but they just didn't want to be criticized for

00:33:07.600 it even though you had done it yes and i listen i really tried to be careful with my words that day

00:33:14.400 um but i specifically said um because i had i had the band-aid on my arm like i raced from there

00:33:21.600 to the and i was rushing and i had been emotional about it and so i i just set up my my zoom and went

00:33:27.280 and i didn't even think you know and so um jay asked me about it right before and i was like ask

00:33:32.520 what you want i don't care and then um and then so when he said it and we're you know rolling i said

00:33:37.880 listen i respect everybody's opinions um for me i'm not comfortable getting this but i had to do it

00:33:45.760 in order to keep my job a job that i love because i loved it to the very last day tucker yeah i said but

00:33:50.740 i believe that it is um sick and scary for any company to tell their employees what to do with

00:33:57.820 their body yeah what medical treatment to get yes crazy but i said but i work for a global company

00:34:03.140 disney and it doesn't surprise me and so i had to do this to keep my job i didn't want to but i

00:34:07.740 complied and here we are but i think it's wrong and that was that was the beginning of the end

00:34:13.520 so what did they say to you once you said that oh i the phone call conversations from

00:34:19.700 one boss in particular um he's like you whacked the company you can't whack disney

00:34:27.200 you can't say those things i said what do you mean i complied i i don't understand and he he said you

00:34:33.140 said it's sick and scary i go well it is that you all are telling me what to do with my body he's like

00:34:37.760 you can't say that you cannot criticize uh your employer we found out um through my attorney our

00:34:45.700 attorney we have a similar attorney yes um that in the state of connecticut there's different laws

00:34:51.300 there's a statute that says um because obviously first amendment um that does not that cover that

00:34:57.060 does not cover employers yes but in the state of connecticut there's a statute where um you are

00:35:02.920 allowed to criticize your employer uh if you're complying and they cannot uh punish you for that

00:35:10.540 and so we found a loophole there and even though it's crazy because i complied i shouldn't even have

00:35:16.540 to find this they found it and um this was a free speech lawsuit based on me being able to say i can

00:35:24.300 have an opinion about something you're forced me to do to my body if i'm complying to your rules

00:35:29.620 and i did it um so first it was but that was before you know the immediate reaction was you

00:35:36.300 can't whack the company you spoke poorly about disney you can't um you you knocked obama i was

00:35:42.320 like i didn't knock obama i i told um because you acknowledged he had a white mom which is i

00:35:47.360 acknowledge the story no white mom from 2014 no white moms allowed that had been said on the abc network

00:35:53.220 six years prior what that was okay then but not now and so they suspended me um took me off the air

00:35:58.700 took events for me made me publicly apologize and then followed it up with a statement of their own

00:36:04.060 saying we believe in diversity of thought however yeah you can't disagree with the vax or misgender

00:36:10.520 someone that's like that's a really crazy i mean that was only a couple years ago but it feels like

00:36:17.340 a different time i don't maybe things have gotten better oh i i i don't know i i well i mean i think as

00:36:26.220 as far as the vaccine conversation again all i wanted was time for more research to be done

00:36:31.720 um i think now we all know two years later yeah my gut a lot of people's gut instinct about it was

00:36:37.820 right um especially when wait wait wait i thought we get this and we're not going to covet right well

00:36:42.820 we get it and we're not going to spread it right like all all of the things that have been well

00:36:45.940 documented um which we choose to ignore now um it just goes away that we were forced

00:36:50.320 to do it um so i think that that just quietly goes away at the end of the day and i i really mean

00:36:57.880 this because um what happened to me happened um it was a brutal decision to have to decide to

00:37:04.960 publicly stand up and file a lawsuit like that was another level because this is the company that i

00:37:10.080 loved the job that i dreamt of since i was 11 years old and did it and did it at the highest level

00:37:15.520 and loved every moment literally um but just to decide to do that because i obviously it's going

00:37:21.800 to be really loud and really public yeah um and to sue disney and espn who you don't do that you

00:37:27.460 know especially i went back to this shy 11 year old kid yes like oh my gosh they're all gonna hate me

00:37:32.420 and and you know but then you have to decide for yourself can you look yourself in the mirror can you

00:37:40.000 go to sleep at night and when i'm preaching to my children and other young women and men out there

00:37:44.540 and broadcasters to to be true to yourself and to stand tall and to not just take it when you

00:37:51.280 disagree with something do it nicely do it civilly exactly so this is not even about me anymore like

00:37:57.120 i've been canceled i'm fine i'm still standing i'm alive you know um but my goal with the lawsuit my

00:38:03.660 goal today and every day honestly it sounds dramatic but till the day i die is to use this platform that

00:38:09.860 i've been given and earned but been given and i believe that's a faith thing as well

00:38:13.580 um to say to these companies um no you cannot pick and choose who is allowed to speak my network

00:38:24.160 espn allowed at the same time as mine going on um our my peers co-host to go on sports center to go on

00:38:32.160 nba shows and talk about roe versus wade and talk about george floyd and talk about these things on a

00:38:36.460 sports show that's not why you do you i guess right like run the company how you want but to

00:38:43.060 allow encourage that but then when i'm on my own talking about my experience as a biracial woman

00:38:47.900 or my experience with a vaccine mandate even though i complied and you punish me and take things away

00:38:53.400 that's not okay and if we truly believe in diversity like i'm done it's diversity of thought we must begin

00:39:00.160 there and it was completely hypocritical and i hope and pray that by little old me trying to stand up

00:39:05.440 against big bad disney i mean it really is david versus goliath that maybe more companies more bosses

00:39:10.900 more leaders will begin to realize listen it's all or nothing just keep the rules consistent for

00:39:17.480 everybody you can't say they can speak and talk about abortion on a nba show and not let the others

00:39:24.200 they literally promoted abortion on an nba program well when roe versus wade came down and then we

00:39:29.100 have anchors crying on tv and for real yes and we have people giving moments of silence for don't say

00:39:33.860 gay on women's college basketball program they took a moment of silence on live tv to talk about the

00:39:39.580 don't say gay and i don't know if you read the bill those words aren't in there i can't to pray to

00:39:43.220 what well i don't know that they were confirming prayer i don't think they're praying to anything

00:39:48.180 not moment of silence so the hypocrisy was too thick for me to remain silent and i pray that

00:39:53.800 leaders begin to realize you can't pick and choose who can speak it's diversity of thought or don't

00:40:01.240 let anybody

00:40:01.740 it feels like um i mean throughout our lives i looking back it's obvious that some of the worst things are

00:40:15.680 some of the best things obviously a horrible experience for you at espn but on some level

00:40:20.260 aren't you glad you're gone

00:40:21.160 um glad and glad i'm gone they're kind of two different things i mean at the end of the day yes

00:40:29.200 um i'm still heartbroken that it happened the way it did yes i didn't have to yes and i again i loved

00:40:37.520 what i did and it took me years to get there and it was super hard to stay there yeah not the most

00:40:44.420 welcoming nurturing place where they're you're being uplifted and encouraged and

00:40:48.840 um just even get given constructive criticism to continue to get better right um but i did it damn

00:40:55.940 it yeah and um i i'm glad because i can finally speak without being in fear yeah knowing again that

00:41:06.040 like it's it's a lot bigger than me i i thought through the years i was just following my dream and

00:41:12.200 then along the way you know i had young women reaching out and saying oh my gosh you know back

00:41:16.940 in the day my bosses said you have to straighten your hair and you can't you can't look that's not

00:41:20.460 what anchors on tv look like especially national tv you know and so i have young girls saying you're the

00:41:24.780 first woman i saw that just owned your hair and didn't straighten and have the anchor bob and all

00:41:29.180 that yeah so i i just was talking about sports like naive but i didn't realize that i was

00:41:34.860 being an example right for other young women out there and and black women and just the diversity

00:41:41.680 part and so then when i realized that um what an honor you know so i i'm sad that that i don't have

00:41:51.260 that platform to continue to do that but i did it for almost 17 years yeah and now i'm excited at the

00:41:58.880 potential of doing it i mean look i get to talk to tucker carlson where other people who have no

00:42:04.260 idea who i am will see me and forget about this stuff i'm just saying about about being true to

00:42:09.540 who we are 100 and standing up for what we believe in and not lying no i i did have to lie i had to lie

00:42:15.220 a lot yeah about things that i i didn't agree with that we were doing on the air like tell me well

00:42:20.580 to to not be able to ask specific questions about you know when we had athletes all of a sudden

00:42:27.820 collapse lebron's son yeah it's a fair question to ask if he had had the vaccine yes he's a young

00:42:35.480 man healthiest possible exactly um that's one example but to not be able to go there and ask

00:42:42.360 they wouldn't let you oh no and it wasn't just me it was other pieces that were done on outside

00:42:47.220 the lines about it but to me i don't care if you're lebron's son or if you're my neighbor like

00:42:51.820 you're a young man in particular because we there's some science behind i know we don't like the science

00:42:55.940 word now but there's some science behind that right and so if an 18 year old kid is suddenly

00:42:59.940 collapsing especially a boy that's right if i'm his mother i'm asking okay did he collapse because

00:43:06.600 it was raining today versus sunny like any potential reason for this sudden collapse variables you're

00:43:11.540 going to ask as a journalist i'm not saying it was the vax because i don't know i'm not a doctor i

00:43:16.940 get it but we must ask this question but those questions are absolutely not allowed and they were

00:43:22.560 never asked on the net why would yes i mean i believe you and i've certainly seen a lot of that

00:43:28.620 working in the media but you got to wonder about the motive i mean why would espn want to run cover

00:43:35.400 for pfizer like why do they care but they do care so much i i i don't know pfizer madonna j&j

00:43:42.260 bdc fauci like it goes deep right it goes very deep it's just disney though i mean i think we

00:43:49.520 have to remember yeah who runs espn and i think that disney when you look at the decisions disney

00:43:55.760 has made for many years despite it really affecting their bottom line right they've continued recently

00:44:01.800 uh bob eiger came out i think in that sec filing admitting acknowledging that they went to woke in

00:44:07.680 many areas um and look at what's happened um with the the what used to be incredible content that

00:44:13.360 disney used to put out you know and look what's happened and look at the numbers and look at espn and

00:44:17.660 the numbers there i mean that's a part of my question did you do you think you got out in

00:44:22.020 retrospect at the right time oh yeah i mean do you think espn will be a force in sports news in 10

00:44:26.700 years you know i think well it all goes back to the rights deals um yeah and because i know i hear

00:44:33.500 all the time on social media that the only reason that they watch espn is because you know they've got

00:44:39.780 the games they have the games they have the live broadcasts and the espn knows that which is why

00:44:44.180 they've tried to create other revenue streams and you know digital and um you know the espn plus

00:44:49.900 which hasn't done great disney plus has not done great yeah um and so people feel it again people

00:44:55.860 don't come to espn to talk politics but hey it's not just espn the leagues have done it look at what

00:45:02.620 the nba has done and kind of shoving it down your throats and then on the court it says black lives

00:45:06.960 matter um still in some places and it's like wait well we're not paying attention to what we now

00:45:13.000 know factually about black lives matter so um i'm i'm just never surprised anymore my point is

00:45:18.180 just because i'm not surprised doesn't mean i give up we give up those of us who aren't afraid

00:45:24.040 anymore if we give up i feel like we're complicit did any uh that's for certain you're exactly right

00:45:29.180 there i think um did any other anchors express empathy come you know offline privately there were a

00:45:38.120 few there there were definitely a few and um anchors or reporters or analysts for sure there's a lot of

00:45:44.000 people who who feel the way i feel about many things um a lot of men who work there who are on air who

00:45:52.100 wrote and said um you know i i don't know that it's courage but they said i wish i had the courage

00:45:59.460 that you have oh that's so embarrassing i mean come on come on get some dignity right i mean

00:46:06.700 i i agree grow a pair yeah um and at the same time i do try to put myself in their shoes no i get it

00:46:15.560 as white men yeah no i get it when you don't have endless money and you have a family to support

00:46:21.980 um white men are not allowed to have a voice and and in that part of the industry and so i understand

00:46:29.520 the fear but i also see black men and people who are allowed to say much whatever they want quite

00:46:35.800 often um on social media at espn who have daughters who are athletes who are silent and i know damn well

00:46:43.460 that they're not letting a guy a biological male play against their daughter on the volleyball of course

00:46:50.340 not but they're silent and so why that well i i think it just goes back to um the woke but i mean

00:46:59.420 if like michael wilbon you know or whatever someone who's whom i love yeah yeah but we are completely

00:47:04.440 we think completely differently on everything but then then wilbon's views may be totally sincere but

00:47:09.180 like if someone who's established and made some dough it's really you can say whatever you want why

00:47:14.440 don't they i i i think it's this um kind of what i dealt with as a young woman and middle-aged woman

00:47:22.040 for years it's that that fear of being disliked and attacked yeah so these big strong tough football

00:47:30.120 players you know yeah and nba players who have millions of dollars in the bank who are now analysts

00:47:35.660 especially in the african-american community like i know for the most part with this topic of

00:47:42.260 transgender this and sports issue uh we're on the same page they're not into it at all hell no

00:47:48.700 yeah but they're silent and to me that's the worst thing is when um they know and they they can't

00:47:55.180 afford to speak up again it's never against the transgender community it's in support of women

00:48:00.580 and if we focus on that so i actually have lost a ton of respect for a lot of those people

00:48:05.500 because they just go like this but then when there's other issues that do go along with the

00:48:11.440 narrative then it's let's go and let's pound the table and pound the fist and and that's the three

00:48:17.380 or four of those guys yeah just decided you know we're not we're not gonna lie anymore and just said

00:48:23.480 what they thought i you can't fire them all you can't that's why i said as at least as women like

00:48:29.540 let's come together and do this because they need us and and we're right well just as a factual

00:48:35.200 matter you're right it's not a it's not some sort of like why'd the first world war start

00:48:40.400 it's can a man become a woman by wishing it so no hashtag science yeah because i'm not that smart

00:48:47.620 but i know i know not either yeah even i can perceive that that's so how long has it been since

00:48:54.040 you left espn august 14th 2023 august oh wow oh just the other day i know yeah oh yeah it's weird

00:49:06.160 because it becomes kind of part of your identity right well of course um i should ask you for advice

00:49:10.900 because it's a even if you know it's the right thing it's still there's still almost traumatic

00:49:17.840 because especially if you loved it yeah you know um but i will say this i haven't missed it

00:49:24.600 right just weird i thought that i would i haven't watched any of i'll watch some games but i i don't

00:49:32.060 watch it because i don't think i realized um just the grind of 28 years in the industry in general you

00:49:39.700 know um but also i did 28 years in the industry i i know that number yeah it's a lot it's a lot a lot

00:49:45.740 and it's it's every ounce of it ups and downs it was such an honor and i you know who knows what's

00:49:51.640 next as far as like you know the next chapter um long term hopefully you know round two but i um

00:49:58.300 i don't know i really feel like i was i was there for a reason you know um probably a reason that i'm

00:50:05.120 not even fully clear on that's right right now and that's a faith thing a trust thing um but i i

00:50:11.240 also it was exhausting the last two years because i i sued the company while i was still on their air

00:50:17.020 yeah usually that doesn't happen it's after you leave a company yeah they try to prevent that from

00:50:22.920 happening i mean again not not what i wanted tucker but um to continue to go on the air every day

00:50:29.300 i got really good at compartmentalizing you know and walking in that building knowing that there are a

00:50:34.620 lot of people who hated me because i was yeah i was speaking and so but i had a job to do and i had a

00:50:39.680 two-hour live show every day to co-host with a great co-host matt berry is the best and the best

00:50:45.360 producers and i was hands-on in every single interview you know for two hours live like

00:50:50.000 highlights and um so it was awesome to be able to to um realize i found a way to compartment put it back

00:50:56.540 here for two hours and be all in um and let go of that fear of my peers who there were a lot who

00:51:04.220 hated me for what i was i was saying and doing um but that that took a toll that took a toll those last

00:51:11.900 two years um and so when it ended it was a relief because to kind of balance that while going on the

00:51:18.620 air um knowing that my bosses hated me it's awful yeah i i i have to say having spent a long time in

00:51:28.440 that business and then you leave and you realize that like not everything is television kind of

00:51:33.460 like there's a whole world out there and it is tv is a bit of a biosphere it's very self-referential

00:51:38.720 everyone in tv watches tv they talk to other people who work in tv they think about tv all the time

00:51:43.840 and i don't think that's the experience of most people on the planet at this point

00:51:47.100 you know what i mean you don't realize how isolated you are when you work in that business and you get

00:51:53.180 out and like actually nobody really cares oh my gosh i'm so glad you said that yeah it's almost it's

00:51:57.840 almost um it's almost like you're brainwashed yeah it's a bit of a cult for sure a little cult

00:52:03.800 and especially in the sports world and especially that espn world because it's the worldwide leader

00:52:08.200 in sports and this is the pinnacle and you think it all revolves around you or your network or your

00:52:12.720 what you're doing and that's exactly what i said to my parents recently there's a whole world out

00:52:17.820 there yes who doesn't give a crap about some at all words anchor and it's beautiful and i'm so

00:52:25.020 excited to continue to learn about that and to just be um it's been awesome to be more present

00:52:31.680 my youngest is a senior in high school like this is it before all three are in college and

00:52:36.040 um you know as a mom and i had all three really close together less than four years and i

00:52:40.840 there were a lot of sacrifices oh yeah um to try to do it all and and be the best anchor and make

00:52:46.560 sure my bosses knew how committed i was which comes across from your work yes i kept getting promoted

00:52:51.320 a new contract so they agreed you know but like that mom guilt that is always there and i know

00:52:56.940 dads have it too but to try to be i was the room mom for all three at the same time you couldn't just

00:53:01.260 do just two or else you don't care about that third kid right so that balance and what a blessing

00:53:06.280 to be able to be so present for my kids most importantly um yes that's number one actually

00:53:13.260 1a was when i reflect back on the actual decision to stand up the night before the lawsuit dropped i

00:53:21.740 went i spoke to each kid separately um and i have two girls and my son's in the middle he's 19 now and

00:53:27.300 i um just said listen i want you to know to all three of them i want you guys to know this is coming

00:53:32.760 and it's going to suck because other things that were public um they were attacked people find your

00:53:39.280 kids on social medias you know yes teachers would say things to my kids like just gross i said i need

00:53:45.120 you to know you don't ever have to defend me ever if someone asks you and you're so inclined i would

00:53:50.340 just say we all have a right to our opinion my mom has hers yes and just leave it at that but don't

00:53:56.400 ever feel the need to defend me and i said i just want you to know i'm sorry for anything that might

00:53:59.760 come your way please let me know but know that i'm trying to do this just for others as well

00:54:04.620 and my son who's the quiet one of the three you know always got sisters yes seen it he looked at

00:54:11.600 me oh this is the only time i get choked up he looked at me and he said mom it's about time you

00:54:17.900 stood up for yourself good for him at the time he was 17 so they see more than we think oh i agree

00:54:25.280 and i thought i was a really good actress and hiding the you know the disappointment and kind of

00:54:31.800 the pain when employers people that you trust and love and are friends with and have had to your home

00:54:37.140 crush you intentionally and um for my kid to say that my son i realized wow i wonder if he's been

00:54:45.520 disappointed that i just took it to to pay the bills and to be safe because it's easier to be quiet

00:54:52.720 so i knew no matter what happened even if i lost the lawsuit even no matter what

00:54:57.800 my kids knew that their mom stood up for what she thought was right and i i i can die knowing that

00:55:08.120 no matter what happens in my future your kids my for me it's my parents and my kids and my god

00:55:13.540 that they're the ones that matter about like what they think of me nobody else does so it was kind

00:55:20.300 of peaceful to go into that lawsuit so when it dropped the next day and it was like

00:55:23.980 i knew my kids were okay well you're blessed then because that's the realization most people

00:55:28.940 have only on their deathbed um and you're very generous to tell your kids they don't need to

00:55:33.700 defend you i told my kids find the heaviest object you can lift and defend me at all costs

00:55:37.760 that's your moral duty or i'm not just kidding for your college just kidding i i never talked i love it

00:55:45.740 well yeah i think you're an amazing person and i am completely convinced whatever you do next will

00:55:50.940 be worth watching and we will be and i'm grateful that you came thank you it means the world that oh

00:55:55.860 i mean it it means the world that you um care so much about this country it's everything as an

00:56:02.560 army kid like what you do and it's been a choice you didn't have to do this you didn't have to continue

00:56:07.320 to stand up and speak truth um you are the role model for me and so many others so thank you

00:56:13.580 thank you well it's been easy and fun but sage steel thank you very much

00:56:17.340 you

The Tucker Carlson Show - April 04, 2024

Sage Steele

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